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00:00<Lotacus>n/m it seems to work fine using x11 render with avi files.. but i get that error gnome_screen_saver whenver the video is played
00:00<acu>how do I add a user in sudoers file ?
00:02<dpkg>i guess visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>
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00:03<nitalaut>hello guys
00:04<nitalaut>is there any way to force application to run on a specific cpu on multi processor system ?
00:04<nitalaut>it's debian 4.0 smp kernel
00:05<pal>hi all
00:05<Lotacus>awe, i'm giving up on mplayer, anyone suggest a better video player?
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00:05<chealer>Lotacus: which desktop environment do you use?
00:06<Lotacus>it's not playing the video at all. I get what >I would sysa looks like an encrypted data stream back in the day when cable tv scrambled ppv stations
00:06<Lotacus>using gnome with compiz
00:06<Lotacus>i set to X11, and it started working but now <i get what I just described
00:07<gravity>video + compiz isn't the best due to architectural reasons
00:07<gravity>You can use something other than Xv output to get it working right I think
00:07<gravity>The straight up unaccelerated x11 output should work
00:08<Lotacus>yea it used to work just a minute ago, but when I changed aspect ratio, it messed the output up all together.
00:08<Lotacus>even changing the aspect ratio back to norm, didn't help at all
00:08<gravity>Yeah, the details of all this escape me unfortunately
00:08<gravity>I'd try without Xv though
00:08<Lotacus>i may have to recompiel i think
00:08<gravity>Lotacus: What video driver?
00:09<Lotacus>some intel xtreme graphics one
00:09<pal>how can i install debian over a local network using a installation cd image?without using the internet/official deb mirror?my machines can do network booting(PxE).
00:09<Lotacus>on a laptop... sorry can't get more specific
00:09<gravity>That's fine, intel
00:09<gravity>Not nvidia or fglrx
00:09<Lotacus>4695 i think is the graphis
00:09<Lotacus>nah not nvidia
00:09<chealer>pal: which installation cd image?
00:11<pal>chealer: debian stable version
00:11<Lotacus>Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated << that's the chipset
00:11<chealer>pal: ...there are hundreds of CD images of debian stable
00:11<pal>is it possible al all?
00:12<Lotacus>other than the video and compiz issue, I am quite impressed with this new kernel
00:12<chealer>pal: it depends on the cd image
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00:16<pal>chealer: i mean to say debian full cd image which doesn't use internet connection during installation time
00:17<chealer>pal: did you try?
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00:18<pal>chealer:i did net-installation,it was fine.But i want local-net installation
00:19<pal>where my mounted cd image will work as my repository
00:19<chealer>pal: yeah...did you try a "local-net installation"?
00:20<pal>chealer:that's i want.but how to do that?
00:21<chealer>pal: it's basically like a net-installation
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00:21<pal>for ubuntu it goes fine but when i am selecting my mounted cd image path as my repository it is giving errors
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00:22<pal>chealer:shall i use the same netboot package(initrd,kernel) what i used for net-inst time?
00:23<pal>to start the installation process?
00:23<chealer>pal: no, you can just put the CD in the computer.
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00:25<pal>chealer:basically i want to install debian in some machines at a row where internet connection is not available
00:26<pal>but these machines can boot from the network using PXE booting ...
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00:28<pal>chealer:can you give me some links/docs on this regard.
00:28<chealer>pal: did you scan the installation guide?
00:30<pal>chealer:i can,but there infos are available for net-inst.
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00:32<chealer>pal: I didn't understand. what's your native language?
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00:36<pal>chealer:i suppose you understand what i want.
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00:38<pal>i want to install debian in client machines where cdrom/internet connection is not available,but machines can boot over the network .
00:41<istoc>Hi, I'm having problems installing mplayer on lenny ppc, I have a line in sources.list for debian multimedia but typing aptitude install mplayer doesn't seem to install enough packages. Thanks
00:41<chealer>pal: the machines have no optical disk drive?
00:43<pal>chealer:only usb
00:44<chealer>pal: ah. you can't boot from the USB ODD?
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00:47<pal>chealer:booting is not an issue.i am booting my m/c's using my NIC card.I am loading the PXE boot-loader from my local server and starting the installation process.
00:48<chealer>pal: what do you mean by "m/c"?
00:49<chealer>pal: and why don't you just install from the USB ODD?
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00:50<pal>But at 'choose mirror'/mirror selection stage when i am giving the path to my server where i kept my mounted debian (full cd image) iso ,it is giving errors
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00:51<pal>it checked suite name,code name,arch then it is showing something missing
00:51<nitalaut>guys is there any way to force application to run on a specific cpu on multi processor system ?
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01:40<nasshi_>i just apt-got fluxbox from the base system. is there a howto that describes what exactly i need to edit to get it to start?
01:40<nasshi_>it's been a while since i've used linux, so i can't even remember the command to start the xsystem
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01:41<Nemoder>nasshi_: either install gdm/xdm/kdm or run startx from xbase-clients
01:41<mankod>nasshi_, yo need a gdm or kdm o xdm , xorg and xfce
01:42<nasshi_>thanks Nemoder and mankod.
01:42<mankod>apt-get install xorg && apt-get install kdm/gdm/xdm && apt-get install xfce4
01:42<Nemoder>if he has fluxbox he doesn't need xfce does he?
01:43<nasshi_>i don't think so
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01:44<mankod>yes, if he have fluxbox, it's ok, it's not necessary xfce4
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01:47<istoc>what's the pastebin this channel uses?
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01:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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01:56<seanius>Maulkin: here i am. rock you like a hurricane.
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01:59<nasshi_>Nemoder: thanks. that worked like a charm. there was an option when i was getting xorg that asked for what resolutions i wanted to be used by X. do you know how to reinvoke that? i'd like to change the default resolution.
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02:00<Nemoder>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
02:00<nasshi_>thanks again
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02:05<acu>can anyone point me to a working tutorial to install for a AMD64 (Turion) 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02) ?
02:08<gsimmons>acu: The bcm4311 revision 2 isn't currently supported by the bcm43xx/b43legacy drivers. You can try using ndiswrapper and browsing their wiki concerning your device.
02:08<gsimmons>!tell acu -about ndiswrapper
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02:46<istoc>Hi, how do I install a package from sid onto lenny (noip2)?
02:50<jm_>the safest method is simple sid backport, but often it's OK to just download andinstall it like other packages
02:50<istoc>How do I do a backport?
02:51<sep>!simple sid backport
02:51<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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02:55<WildOS>When I try setting pthread_mutexattr_setprotocol(&attr, PTHREAD_PRIO_INHERIT); it compiles fine, but I get a segmentation fault at runtime. What might be causing this? Running kernel 2.6.22
02:56<jm_>how is attr declared?
02:56<WildOS> pthread_mutexattr_t attr;
02:56<WildOS> pthread_mutexattr_init(&attr);
02:57<WildOS>and then I run setprotocol
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03:02<jm_>and you're sure it crashes there and pthread_mutexattr_init() doesn't return an error?
03:05<WildOS>yes, it returns success
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03:12<jm_>well there's nothing particularly wrong with this
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03:25<WildOS>jm_: I'll try runng the gdbserver to find out... my app crashes before the printf's reach.. on fauilure I use a default attr. Thus, the problem must be something else..
03:25<WildOS>or calling the function all together...
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03:31<nitalaut>guys is there any way to force application to run on a specific cpu on multi processor system ?)
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03:32<nitalaut>how ?
03:33<jm_>install schedutils
03:35<nitalaut>yes that's what i need
03:35<nitalaut>jm_, thank you soooo much
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03:49<simonrvn>go away spammer
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04:15<WildOS>jm_: when running gdbserver it seems like it aborts when trying to lock the same mutex from within two different threads.. could this be a kernel bug? I am running a kernel cross-compiled for arm..
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04:16<jm_>WildOS: hmm locking mutexes is so basic I would be surprised if it went unnoticed
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04:27<Cytrax>morning.. does anyone know if I can find out what is creating *.tmp files
04:27<Cytrax>SDT6918.tmp, SDT238.tmp, SDT50C0.tmp
04:28<Cytrax>files like that
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04:33<Nemoder>Cytrax: if the program is still accessing them then try: fuser *.tmp
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04:43<Cytrax>thanks nemoder.. I think it was something to do with samba
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05:22<grasn>how i install ntfs-3g on etch?
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05:44<grasn>is there a player like winamp for debian?
05:45<petemc>beep media player
05:45<petemc>as well..
05:46<grasn>oh nice
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05:47<berto>btw, the scrobbler plugin is no longer working for me, anyone with the same problem?
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05:53<james__>hi, i have a debian development server that hasn't been upgraded since 2005, would an apt-get dist-upgrade work okay?
05:53<james__>i'm scared incase it breaks it ;p
05:53<grasn>how i can set xmms as my default media player fpr mp3s
05:54<petemc>james__: read the release notes for etch for info on how best to upgrade
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05:57<james__>thanks petemc, just what i was looking for, lots of information :)
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05:59<grasn>can only use 1 programm the soundcart? my chat played a sound and now my mp3 player says a other programm is uning the soundcart
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05:59<jm_>grasn: by default it's often like that
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06:00<grasn>ok driver update or simething will change nothing?
06:01<dpkg>hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
06:02<grasn>jm_ can i just apt-get install dmix?
06:02<jm_>grasn: no, you already have it, you just need to configure things (see above URL-s)
06:05<grasn><jm_> can i use it with xmms?
06:05<grasn>cant find a tutorial for that
06:06<jm_>in xmms simply select ALSA as output plugin - this is true in general, switch all apps to ALSA if they support it, otherwise start them via aoss
06:06<jm_>and preferably don't use sound servers either
06:07<grasn>cool thx
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06:11<sooperkuh>jm_: just out of curiosity: why are you against sound servers?
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06:13<jm_>sooperkuh: because there's no need for them anymore
06:13<jm_>I used esd sucessfuly in the past for one good reason
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06:17<Maulkin>Now, lets see if they come back.
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06:21<daffytheduck>hi i want to install a kernel image in a minimal install of lenny ive just done using debootstrap Ive got a pentium 4 processor and Im wondering what the best image is to install ie linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
06:22<petemc>probably the most recent one
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06:22<daffytheduck>linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 is the most rescent i can se in the list
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06:23<daffytheduck>but the thing that always confuses me is the arch type ie is 686 regarded i386
06:24<petemc>go for 686
06:24<jm_>686 means it's a kernel optimized for those CPU-s
06:25<daffytheduck>not a worry
06:25<jm_>i.e. people who have K7 CPU-s will use -k7 kernel, but arch type is still i386 (for 32bit anyway)
06:25<daffytheduck>i get it
06:26<sooperkuh>jm_: sorry for the lag ... well I think there *is* a use for them, actually several uses
06:26<sooperkuh>like, say network transparency
06:27<sooperkuh>it is unfortunate, that esd sucked so much, but I *do* hope that pulseaudio will get it right this time
06:27<jm_>sooperkuh: yeah - but it's probably 1% of people or less who need to use it over a network
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06:30<sooperkuh>jm_: i'm not so sure about that (a device like the roku or sqeezebox as a pulse appliance would rock) and it also gives lots of other benefits, like decent plug and play, shifting streams from one device to another (like from the speakers to the headset). And it works very well
06:31<sooperkuh>I am very happy, that fedora people put it in by default, and iron out all the bugs ; )
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06:32<jm_>sooperkuh: jackd?
06:32<jm_>ahh probably pulseaudio
06:33<sooperkuh>yeah, pulse
06:33<sooperkuh>never tried jack, but that seems to work well too, for its niche. ardour looks quite good as a professional app
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06:34<sooperkuh>jm_: really the only program i am having problems with now not running under pulseaudio is skype, and not that i would have expected differently from this proprietary crap
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06:38<sheldonh>i have a box where the display loses sync (green LDE turns amber, blank screen) during kernel boot. i suspect it's poor interaction with the vga card. is there a boot param i can use to prevent the debian install from using the framebuffer
06:38<jm_>yeah I remember there being one
06:39<sheldonh>can't find anything other than video=, which looks a little hairy :)
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06:39<jm_>fb=false, try f8 ;)
06:39<daffytheduck>im trying to install locales and im getting this message locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 which is a virtual package can anyone help thnx
06:39<jm_>video=vesafb:off or so
06:40<jm_>heh 2.7 screwup
06:40<dpkg>from memory, glibc is at GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe.
06:41<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm, fb=false looks promising
06:41<grasn>where is the konquerer installation folder
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06:44<sheldonh>jm_: this is for an FAI install (which, in my environment, isn't _quite_ FA). highly annoying :)
06:45<jm_>sheldonh: why not?
06:45<sheldonh>jm_: because i present a menu, from which sysadmins choose a few options
06:45<WildOS>I could't find anything about this in the manpages - is it possible to enable priority inheritance for the pthread semaphores? and I've read about a robustness function for the pthread mutex, but couldn't find any info using man, does it exist?
06:46<jm_>sheldonh: ahh and they can't see it now?
06:46<daffytheduck>Ive got libc6 installed on the system and to resolve the locales dependency issue its asking for glibc-2.7.1 is there any way arround this thnx
06:46<WildOS>jm_: ^
06:46<sheldonh>jm_: looks like, with this hardware, the radeonfb module is being probed by fai. ja
06:46<sheldonh>jm_: i probably just need to blacklist that module in the fai install environment
06:46<jm_>sheldonh: try video=radeonfb:off too
06:46<jm_>daffytheduck: check BTS
06:46<daffytheduck>BTS ?
06:46<daffytheduck>whats that
06:46<sheldonh>jm_: dude, how do you read docs, that you get information i just can't see in the same stuff?! :)
06:47<jm_>WildOS: pthread_smeaphore?
06:47<sheldonh>jm_: the word "off" doesn't appear in modedb.txt :)
06:47<daffytheduck>ill just set the default local to utf8 and be done with it
06:47<jm_>sheldonh: you mean about video stuff? it's not there, it's poorly documened
06:48<sheldonh>jm_: great :)
06:48<WildOS>jm_: no, sem_ function
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06:49<jm_>WildOS: I am not sure I follow you on semaphores and inheritance
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06:50<daffytheduck>im trying to install locales instead of locales-all is there a difference
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06:51<sheldonh>jm_: i don't think video=radeonfb:off helped. the display still blanks out after these kernel messages:
06:52<WildOS>jm_: Is it possible to enable priority inheritance for semaphores in debian?
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06:53<jm_>sheldonh: but fb=false also doesn't help?
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06:54<jakil>how can give me ther server of ubuntu
06:54<Maulkin>jakil: try #ubuntu on
06:55<sheldonh>jm_: correct. i've confirmed that the options passed through into /proc/cmdline. i suspect the module is loaded as part of a standard "what have we got here?" pass. will soldier on. thanks for trying :)
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06:57<jm_>WildOS: solaris man page mentions _POSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
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06:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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06:57<sooperkuh>^ ---- for you, jakil ; )
06:58<jm_>sheldonh: yeah that could be verified via expert install and manually selecting it
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07:02<daffytheduck>i checked it out its a definate bug in the transition to glibc 2.7
07:03<daffytheduck>ill have to change my sources list and get the locales from elswhere
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07:03<jm_>that's why you were told to check BTS
07:04<sheldonh>jm_: aha! it's discover(8) and discover-modprobe(8)
07:04<daffytheduck>things arnt always obvious
07:05<WildOS>jm_: That means that if _POSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING is defined, the function can be used, right? Or do I have to feed it to the compiler as a preprocessor definition?
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07:06<jm_>WildOS: no, it explaisn different behaviour if that is defined
07:07<jm_>WildOS: now question is if it's the same in Linux
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07:22<ukelele>Should a question about video cards and resolution be addressed here or is a general Linux question or even ahrdware question?
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07:23<Maulkin>Depends what the question is. Just ask.
07:23<ukelele>I have installed Deb Xfce with three res settings and only two work
07:23<ukelele>the higher res setting doesn't work
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07:23<Maulkin>Which one doesn't?
07:23<jm_>X logfile shall tell you why
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07:23<Snafu>lo, compiz working on testing?
07:23<ukelele>Ah right I was oly lookingat the conf file
07:23<Maulkin>It's possible your monitor doesn't support it, or your videocard. See the log file
07:24<ukelele>Maulkin I think that maybe the reason cos all Deb flavours can't support the higher res
07:25<flixh>my wife just deleted her complete gnome top panel including the nm-applet, anybody got an idea how to get the panel with all the applets back
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07:25<ukelele>I meant the Deb dreived distros by that
07:25<Snafu>compiz on testing? yes || no?
07:25<ukelele>Yeah the Vid card doesn't suport that res
07:25<ukelele>That means I don't have the right driver right
07:26<ukelele>That makes sense cos Fedora gives me the higher res but a lot ot other distros I've tried don't
07:26<Maulkin>ukelele: No, it could be that the card doesn't support iy.
07:26<sooperkuh>flixh: just start "gnome-panel" from a shell, it should be as good as new.
07:26<Maulkin>ukelele: What's the card?
07:26<ukelele>Maulkin Matrox
07:27<ukelele>I can get the higher res with Fedora 8
07:27<sooperkuh>flixh: maybe you have to save it in the session afterwards, but most times it works by itself
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07:27<flixh>sooperkuh: well she inserted a new one with right-click and so on, but that's empty
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07:27<flixh>sooperkuh: wouldn't it be the same when she started gnome-panel from a shell?
07:27<Maulkin>ukelele: you could try getting the drivers from matrox directly
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07:28<ukelele>Maulkin yeah I might look at that
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07:28<ukelele>Is it risky though I mean if you get a video driver wrong there's no second chances cos you don't see anything right?
07:28<Snafu>is compiz running on testing? i cant install it coz of dependencies
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07:30<sooperkuh>flixh: if you have one running, maybe try killing that first.
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07:30<Maulkin>ukelele: you can still use the console
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07:31<ukelele>Ah so it's not quite as bad as windows where you can't see anything
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07:31<ukelele>anyway Matrox have no linux drivers for my card
07:31<ukelele>How did Redhat support it then?
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07:32<Maulkin>ukelele: They could have a deal with Redhat
07:32<ukelele>Ah right
07:33<ukelele>Cos they are the only distros i tried that I could get to work at higher res
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07:33<ukelele>It's an older box but bigger monitor
07:33<jm_>what exactly does the logfile say?
07:33<ukelele>that'll teach me to mix and match
07:33<ukelele>Hang on I'm restarting that box now
07:33<ukelele>I'm still trying as i'm here
07:33<jm_>use a pastebin
07:35<ukelele>I might have to join here twice to post it anyway - I'll try to copy the relevant bit
07:35<ukelele>From the other box I mean
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07:35<ukelele>I really want to use Debian Fedora was pretty slow on that old box :(
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07:39<ukelele>Hang on what is the log file called I can only see xorg.conf That's not what you mean is it
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07:41<resproblem>I'm also ukelele As I was saying I can't find the log file
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07:41<jm_>!x logfile
07:42<streuner>!listkeys logfile
07:42<dpkg>Factoid search of 'logfile' by key (3): logfile ;; x logfile ;; #debian x logfile.
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07:43<flixh>sooperkuh: that didn't do the trick... unfortunately sher only gets empty panels back...
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07:43<resproblem>Right I'll have a good look at that and come back
07:44<flixh>anybody an idea how to get the standard Debian Etch gnome panel on top back?
07:45<resproblem>the only failure i can see there is VESA VBE DDC read failed
07:46<jm_>paste the logfile on some pastebin site
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07:46<resproblem>It's ok I know what the problem is now
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07:47<resproblem>My old box doesn't have enough memory for my big monitor
07:47<resproblem>That might explain why it was so slow on Fedora
07:47<jm_>that doesn't explain it not working, unless it's about memoery on the video card
07:48<resproblem>MGA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode)
07:48<_xs>hi. i dist-upgraded last night (using unstable). x is pretty unstable now (quitting ratpoison causes x to lock up), but mainly fonts in gtk and kde applications are completely fubared. any suggestions? i've tried to roll xserver-xorg-core to the previous version but apt-get claims it doesn't exist.
07:48<resproblem>I'm pretty sure that's the relevant line
07:48<resproblem>Hang on where is the paste bin I will post it
07:48<jm_>right video card memory, using 16bpp mode might help
07:50<resproblem>I found that - is that all I have to change the 32bpp to 16bpp
07:50<sooperkuh>flixh: sorry then. you might carefully have a look at her .gnome2 directory in her home, maybe compare it without a clean account.
07:50<resproblem>Or is 24 bit too high also
07:51<jm_>yeah change it to 16, or start -- -bpp 16
07:51<flixh>sooperkuh: yeah, that's probably the best guess. Unfortunately I'm only speaking to her on the phone, so ne chance she's going to this.
07:52<flixh>sooperkuh: thanks anyway, I'll fix it tonight then.
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07:52<resproblem>If I change those will it automatically try 1028 or will I have to logout and in again? or restart altogether
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07:53<resproblem>I mean after I select 1028 obviously
07:53<flixh>sooperkuh: thanks for link, I'll try that tonight
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07:56<jm_>that should say "startx -- -bpp 16"
07:56<resproblem>You mean change one thing at a time?
07:56<resproblem>Leave bits and refresh alone
07:56<jm_>no, you can cahnge the default in config file or pass it on command line
07:56<jm_>yes leave the rest alone
07:57<resproblem>Ok I'll give that a go - thanks
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07:58<_xs>is there any way to roll back debian packages?
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07:59<jm_>you mean install previous version?
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07:59<_xs>! how? :) i've been searching and searching
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08:00<dpkg>i guess sdn is go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
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08:01<_xs>thanks ever so much :)
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08:02<indraveni>hi all
08:02<indraveni>i am having sony vaio laptop and i am in serach of drivers for my
08:02<indraveni>touchstrip fingerprint sensor
08:02<indraveni>could some one here help me out ni this pleae
08:03<dpkg>it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
08:04<indraveni>petemc, i have checked all over there, couldn't get a working solution
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08:05<petemc>what model vaio?
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08:07<indraveni>VGN TZ17N
08:08<indraveni>VGN TZ17GN model
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08:08<WildOS>Is it possible to change the priority of a running thread?
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08:13<jm_>WildOS: man pthread_setschedprio ?
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08:15<Golfgeo>Hi all
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08:18<petemc>infernix: one example would be when i use the xen bridging scripts a nic would stop responding, disabling ipmi fixed this
08:18<infernix>petemc: on a shared ipmi port?
08:19<petemc>feck, wrong channel
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08:22<ubuntu>someone knows an irc for design network?
08:25<ubuntu>i need some help for design a network
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08:26<ubuntu>i need some help for create a mail relay with debian
08:26<petemc>whats the problem?
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08:30<WildOS>jm_: Thanks, but I feel the man pages should include further information. I already use that function, and up until now, I thought everything was working just fine.. now, I am ruinning my app on a controller with limited resources, 180Mhz and 30MB ram, and I get spikes in the threads execution times (using an in-program scheduler), I suspect priority inversion.. but since my program gets segmentation fault when using the inbuilt mutex priority inheritance (w
08:30<WildOS>hen using gdbserver it seems like the problem is actually unrelated to the mutex, and I am unable to locate the source..)
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08:32<jm_>WildOS: can't you debug it on a regular machine?
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08:47<ino>hey all
08:47<ino>i have a probleme with samba
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08:48<ino>i changed in the smb.conf i add the line for the shared directorys but wenn i scann with smbclient i see the shared directorys as printers
08:48<ino> comment = Home auf server
08:48<ino> browseable = yes
08:48<ino> path = /home
08:48<ino> public = yes
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08:49<Napta>ino: who manages your reverse DNS ? that is amazing!
08:49<weasel>Napta: ?
08:49<ino>what ??
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08:50<Napta>dashes, uppercase TLD, dots, more uppercase, awesome
08:50<Napta>so I asked who manages it
08:50<ino>ohh sorry i m completly lost for the moment dont know what you mean sorry
08:51<Napta>no worries, ino
08:51<ino>i try to explain my little problem with samba
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08:51<ino>i dont understand why he dont see the diretorys as printers instand of as disk
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08:58<daniel>hello ppl
08:58<daniel>anyone awake?
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08:59<petemc>if you have a debian related question, just ask
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08:59<daniel>actually it might not be precisel, but I do use Debian. Question following:
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09:00<WildOS>jm_: for some reason PTHREAD_PRIO_INHERIT, is not define when not using the cross compiler
09:00<daniel>I have 4 public IP addresses, all between - (it's a /25 network)
09:01<viashino>hi, is anyone here using eclipse on lenny? I just installed it and found that the recomended eclipse-jdt-gcj is needed for eclipse to be able to open C++ files (after installing the cdt plugin). Anyone experienced the same problem? I would like to discuss prior to opening a bug report? thanks
09:01<daniel>I've made .147 the "primary" for eth0, and the rest is added as virtuals eth0:0 - eth0:2 (sorted numericaly)
09:01<weasel>(a /25 has 128 IP addresses)
09:02<daniel>yes, but I've only got 4 of em dedicated, I don't own the whole /25 network. My fault
09:02<WildOS>jm_: even though _POSIX_THREAD_PRIO_INHERIT is defined
09:02<daniel>It's not different than getting a single IP from an ISP, but I've got 4 instead.
09:02<daniel>But the problem arise when I try to bind services to them.
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09:03<daniel>I've setup sshd to listen on .149 and accoring to 'netstat --inet --tcp -v -n --listen' it sure does.
09:03<daniel>but when trying to connect from "outside", it won't respond.
09:04<daniel>I've even listened with "tcpdump" on all interfaces, and the request sure is reaching it's destination. But no response.
09:04<monra>does anybody knows how it is able to run a program without seeing it at ps -A
09:04<daniel>Same thing with Apache2... bound to .148 but not reachable...
09:04<weasel>daniel: can you mtr out to hosts on the internet from that host?
09:05<weasel>daniel: also, paste your routing table on or somewhere
09:05<daniel>mtr ?
09:05<weasel>a sane traceroute.
09:06<daniel>sure I can, no problems connecting FROM that host, it then uses the primary address of .147
09:06<daniel>if I bind sshd to .147, it works as well.
09:07<weasel>can you ping hosts on the internet if you set your source address to .149?
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09:07<daniel>(btw, are there any netfilter tables more than 'filter' and 'nat' that I should be aware of?)
09:07<daniel>weasel: if I make .149 the primary address?
09:07<daniel>weasel: for eth0?
09:07<weasel>man ping.
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09:08<weasel>you can set the IP address you use for sending stuff.
09:08<daniel>-I ?
09:08<weasel>no idea. read the manpage
09:08<daniel>no, I can not...
09:09<daniel>(ping -I eth0 ...149
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09:09<daniel>w8, I'll do a reboot... back in a minute...
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09:13<ino>i have a probleme with samba
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09:13<sooperkuh>ino: haven't we all?
09:13<ino>i type this in the smb.conf and he show me the directorys as printers
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09:18<Wesley>Hi Maulkin!
09:18<avtobiff>ino, perhaps remove the "printable = yes" part
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09:23<ino>ok thx
09:23<avtobiff>ino, np
09:24<ino>thank you it works fin
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09:28<daniel>I previously used the vserver kernel (using debian stable btw), installed the regular 2.6 kernel now
09:29<daniel>also disabled shorewall to make sure nothing was blocked
09:29<gianni>hi all
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09:29<daniel>now after reboot I still can't ping with other than my primary IP address.
09:29<daniel>weasel: still here?
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09:31<daniel>anyone else around who might know about virtual interfaces?
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09:33<petemc>i use them
09:35<petemc>there isnt much more to it than configuring them and bringing them up
09:35<daniel>yeah but I still can't use them at all :/
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09:36<daniel>can't even ping from them...
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09:38<daniel>Are U able to ping from all availible virtual interfaces?
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09:40<viashino>daniel: are the interfaces up? doing ifconfig (without -a ) shows you the virtual interfaces?
09:41<Maulkin>Wesley: try dpkg --configure -a
09:42<leo890>As show ñ and aterm accents?
09:43<daniel>viashino: sure is... ip addr list shows them as well...
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09:45<daniel>I'm really getting tired of this...
09:45<daniel>Anyone know where to get more support?
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09:47<recklessop>anyone know if there is a monitoring program that can monitor the PNY S-CURE raid cards?
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09:47<recklessop>the ones with the netcell revolution chip on them
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09:50<viashino>daniel: ok, are you able to ssh from the same machine to .149?
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09:52<daniel>viashino: that works...
09:53<viashino>can you confirm you did set the right netmask to the virtual interface?
09:54<daniel>sure, but seriously... now suddenly everything seems to work! W*F?! ... time to sleep (4 pm...)
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09:56<viashino>good on you !! :D
09:56<daniel>all but .xx.150 !! ?
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09:57<daniel>This really is the worse part.. when things suddenly start working and u don't know why...
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09:57<daniel>oops... wrong button(s) ;)
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10:06<sheldonh>anyone got an /etc/vmware/config they can show me? i really don't wanna download and rebuild the vmware packages again, and i forgot to configure bridged networking when i built them the first time
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10:09<viashino>sheldonh: AFAIK if you only need to add a bridge interface you can run and change networink info.
10:10<sheldonh>viashino: yeah, but vmware-package doesn't include in the packages, and i've blown away the original distfiles :(
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10:14<daniel>thanks for helping ppl.. good night
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10:15<viashino>sheldonh: oops. sorry don't know how to help
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10:17<recklessop>sheldonh: just asec ill see if i can get mine
10:18<recklessop>vmnet1.hostonlyaddress = ""
10:18<recklessop>serverd.init.fullpath = "/usr/lib/vmware/serverd/"
10:18<recklessop>authd.client.port = "902"
10:18<recklessop>control.fullpath = "/usr/bin/vmware-cmd"
10:18<recklessop>authd.fullpath = "/usr/sbin/vmware-authd"
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10:18<recklessop>lol well thats one way to get kicked
10:19<recklessop>sheldonh did you get that?
10:19<recklessop>otherwise i can send you a link
10:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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10:28<Wesley>hey Maulkin :)
10:29<Maulkin> Wesley: try dpkg --configure -a
10:29<Wesley>I did, seems to work. except for the init script giving some troubles invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed.
10:29<Wesley>and a error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
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10:29<Wesley>lets fix the last one
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10:30[~]seanius looks around innocently
10:30<Maulkin>Wesley: ok. Start it manually with --skip-privilage-tables
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10:30<Maulkin>Wesley: then, set the password for debian-sys-maint to the one found in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
10:30<Wesley>can I not just add the right password for that account?
10:30<Maulkin>Or do that
10:31<Maulkin>seanius: Hide. This has been going on a while. Ps: seems that etch doesn't clear the debconf db under --purge in some circumstances.
10:31<Wesley>the password is plain text inside debian.cnf right?
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10:32<Wesley>thats fixed now Maulkin
10:33<Maulkin>Wesley: run teh configure again
10:33<Wesley>the plow?
10:33<Maulkin>nope, dpkg --configure -a
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10:34<Maulkin>then dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server
10:34<Wesley>dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server-5.0
10:34<Maulkin>That'll do
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10:35[~]seanius imagines a plow
10:35<Wesley>Well the only question I get is "It is highly recommended that you set a password for the MySQL administrative "root" user. "
10:35<Wesley>as it normaly does
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10:36<Wesley>I noticed we got another machine with the same problem btw
10:36<seanius>Maulkin: I don't see why it wouldn't purge the debconf db, though maybe some combination of error conditions might let one slip away without it happening
10:36<Maulkin>seanius: That seems to have been the case :|
10:37<Maulkin>still, Wesley: is it working yet?
10:37<Wesley>Well mysql is working.. but I still have the same problem
10:37<Wesley>getsockname(814, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/mysql"}, [30]) = 0
10:37<Wesley>setsockopt(814, SOL_IP, IP_TOS, [8], 4) = -1 EOPNOTSUPP (Operation not supported)
10:37<Wesley>etc etc
10:38<seanius>What was the original problem
10:38<Maulkin>can you pastebin your my.cnf somewhere?
10:38<Maulkin>seanius: b0rked install.
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10:38<Maulkin>Well, was installed, then removed, then attempted to reinstall
10:39<Wesley>I used your my.cnf Maulkin
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10:39<Wesley>but sure one sec
10:39<Maulkin>Wesley: hrm
10:39<seanius>anything wierd with the system? like no loopback device?
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10:40<Wesley> this is the my.cnf
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10:40<Maulkin>Good point, no loopback could cause issues I suppose.
10:40<Wesley>And well, I thought this was the only server with this problem.. but I have another one with the same thing
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10:41<Maulkin>try 'ifup lo'
10:41<Maulkin>seanius: want me to bounce you the complete trace?
10:42<Wesley>blob:~# ifup lo
10:42<Wesley>ifup: interface lo already configured
10:42<Wesley>Yep, want me to show the whole strace?
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10:43<Maulkin>Wesley: may as well pastbin it
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10:43<sheldonh>turns out i just had to fix the bridged interface in /etc/vmware/locations
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10:44<Wesley>Here you go
10:44<Maulkin>accept(15, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="į"}, [2]) = 814
10:44<Maulkin>That's odd...
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10:45<Wesley>havnt even noticed that yet
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10:52<seanius>Wesley: does anything change if you put in a bind-address =
10:52<seanius>in my.cnf
10:52<Wesley>lets see
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10:53<Wesley>it does not seanius
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10:56<seanius>and and ifconfig lo outputs something with
10:57<seanius>fwiw, on my system i get an accept line in my strace that is similarly wierd, like accept(14, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@}, [2]) = 15
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11:00<Maulkin>Wesley: you can waah at seanius, I'm off out :)
11:00<Wesley>But does it also try to read from /var/run/mysql while that directory isn't there?
11:00<Wesley>Ok Maulkin! thanks.. again; for your time
11:03<seanius>do you not have a /var/run/mysql?
11:03<seanius>er mysqld
11:07<Wesley>I do seanius
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11:07<Wesley>I symlinked /var/run/mysql to /var/run/mysqld
11:07<Wesley>upon request from Maulkin
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11:12<Wesley>where does it try to get that value from seanius?
11:12<seanius>you mean /var/run/mysql ? i don't know. it might be a built-in default
11:13<Wesley>And, how do I remove that? :) I assume thats the problem
11:14<seanius>hrm... strings mysqld doesn't show /var/run/mysql, only mysqld
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11:15<seanius>is there a .my.cnf in $HOME or /root or ~mysql
11:15<seanius>my.cnf or .my.cnf
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11:16<seanius>or in /etc (as opposed to /etc/mysql). and does /etc/mysql/my.cnf have 644 permissions
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11:20<Wesley>lets search
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11:21[~]seanius has to go $HOME, bbiab
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11:23<Wesley>theres a /root/.my.cnf btw
11:23<Wesley>no instance of /var/run/mysql tho
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11:26<adii>hello !
11:27<adii>I've bought a domain name (from and I would like to test if the address has been added to nessime's server dns
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11:29<adii>anyone knows how to do that
11:29<adii>is there a tool to ask a dns server something ?
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11:30<Solver>adii: had and dig will help you
11:30<Solver>adii: I mean, 'host' and 'dig'
11:30<adii>okay (= thanks
11:30<Solver>np :)
11:30<JasonS>was wondering waht had was
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11:31<Solver>host queries a loca server by default. dig queries the authoritative servers by default
11:31<Solver>both can query any server you ask it too (assming you have access of course)
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11:32<adii>alright it worked fine :)
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11:33<adii>now an extra question for you gurus : I've added that dns server in my /etc/resolv.conf , but I still can't ping my host
11:33<adii>is there something to tell him "you should look on THAT dns server too"
11:33<JasonS>did you set it up on your registrar?
11:33<JasonS>how long ago?
11:33<adii>i think it's been a week now
11:34<adii>btw, I can find it when I dig the nameserver
11:34<adii>alright I can see it's not really clar
11:35<Solver>once you 'delegate' the domain it should be visible quite quickly
11:35<Solver>we often say 24-48 hours but in reality it is often quicker than that
11:35<adii>that's what I thought
11:35<adii>I just re updated the thing so it might be delayed
11:35<Solver>if you give us the domain we can do a few quick checks
11:36<adii>but anyway it should be on netissime's dns server
11:36<Solver>since you have it registered this is no problem :)
11:36<adii>the domain is :
11:36<adii>(that's a really good french cheese)
11:36[~]Solver will have to try it :)
11:36<Solver>it looks to me like the delegation didn't proceed properly
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11:37<Solver>if it has been a week
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11:37<adii>I reupdated it quite recently
11:37<adii>can you see it on that dns server :
11:37<adii>(netissime's ?)
11:37<Solver>adii: btw I assume you mean the domain is rather than
11:37<Solver>it is possible to create a subdomain but no body would do that :)
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11:38<adii>i've created
11:38<JasonS>heh it may be working adii, blocked here though
11:38<Solver>yeah I can't see it on the IP you listed
11:38<Solver>see if the new delegation works - check it every few hours
11:38<adii>so I just have to wait till the thing is spreaded all over the dns network right ?
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11:38<JasonS>should be by now after a week
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11:39<Solver>adii: you should be able to query it from the authoritative servers quickly.
11:39<Solver>adii: then soon after that it will be visible everywhere
11:39<adii>I re updated it recently (I thought it was already on that address but well ..)
11:39<adii>what do you call authoritative servers ?
11:39<JasonS>id triple check that its set up correctly on the registrar
11:40<Solver>adii: authoritative servers are the servers that know the truth about the domain. all other namservers ask them
11:40<Solver>if that is what you mean
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11:40<Solver>as JasonS says, I suspect a misconfiguration
11:40<Solver>either that or the registrar's process is badly broken
11:40<Solver>and this is less likely
11:41<adii>alright, I've got a page that is called "modify DNS" where I can enter dns addresses
11:41<adii>I've added netissime's addresses (they've got 2 servers)
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11:42<adii>and I thought that i only needed to do that
11:42<adii>but now you told me about authoritative servers, it might be a good idea to add one of them ain't it ?
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11:43<Guest1561>debian 4.0rl released
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11:43<Guest1561>Vista is hacked&iPhone(german)too
11:43<Guest1561>i tell riosej896
11:43<JasonS>Guest1561: do you have a debian question?
11:43<Guest1561>meine: mist/müll
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11:45<kussik>can someone help me get my sound working?
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11:47<kussik>i use to beable to just use alsaconf and it fixed it right up but now it still says No Volume control GStreamer plugin and/or devices found?
11:47<kussik>any help?
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11:48<Solver>adii: the authoritative servers are the servers you list in that "modify DNS" page you mention
11:48<kussik>help please?
11:49<Solver>oh he's gone
11:49<Solver>oh well
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11:50<kussik>hey Solver can you help me with my sound problem :) ?
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12:00<stmaher>Hello everyone..
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12:00<stmaher>Could someone please recommend a replacement software for M$ exchange.. Must be compatable with outlook tho
12:00<stmaher>(shakes fist at clients!)
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12:07<simonrvn>openxchange or wtfever it's called
12:07[~]simonrvn shudders at the mention
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12:14<padski>dselect select can't see my upgrades :-(
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12:29[~]fxiny tor ? feels he's been somewhow promoted :P
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12:31<padski>dselect select does not see updates, dselect install does :-(
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12:32<fxiny>i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one using dselect ;)
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12:33<padski>this is my problem. should I say something, or should I just keep quiet about it? ;-)
12:35<fxiny>quiet ? i'm proudly scrolling down dselect select to check ;)
12:37<enouf>happy turkey day to fxiny!
12:37<enouf>(lots of turkeys about)
12:37<fxiny>enouf: hahahah HOW ARE YOU ? hahahah long long time :)))
12:38<fxiny>enouf: have you seen my entry today ? i have super powers i am 3117 >> 18:27 -!- fxiny [] has joined #debian
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12:39<enouf>no i haven't but --> w00h00!
12:39<fxiny>heheheh can't belive it :))
12:39<ccg>how to authentify to a wep encrypted wlan ?
12:39<enouf>you're now a tor monster O.o
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12:40<fxiny>enouf: hehehe must be a mistake for sure >> ! Activating Cloak:
12:40<enouf>identify + authenticate == authentify?
12:41<enouf>fxiny: you never make mistakes l;-)
12:41<fxiny>enouf: is a mistake : i'm not using tor (atm) :)
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12:41<enouf>fxiny: cache?
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12:43<fxiny>enouf: i am pure like a glass of fine red wine : this tor thing must be something in the otfc-water :)
12:44<enouf>hehe, you mean you're tainted now? oh teh n03z :-p
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12:44[~]enouf pickles fxiny
12:45<kurumin>da onde vc fala?
12:45<enouf>(waits for the other 300 or so to do the same)
12:46<fxiny>300 ? leonidas included ?
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12:46<kurumin>donde hablas ?
12:46<enouf>where speak? here
12:46<enouf>see /topic
12:47<jusae>red wine is good for radiation
12:47<fxiny>and strawberries
12:47<fxiny>i love redwine+sugar+strawberries
12:47<kurumin>I dont speak ingles very well
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12:48<enouf>try harder, or /msg dpkg se
12:48<enouf>(or br, for portuguese)
12:48<kurumin>I speak Brazil
12:48<jusae>u know that a good of scientist figured that dropping the tempature around chanoval would reduce its radioactivity, 15 snow blowers later and 24 hours later they where actually inside the plant
12:48<kurumin>end you?
12:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:48<simonrvn>he knows
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12:49[~]enouf smelt a troll way earlier, but felt like playing ;-)
12:49<avtobiff>jusae, chanoval?
12:50<jusae>the neuclear plant, notice the poor spelling
12:50<avtobiff>you mean chernobyl?
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12:50<enouf>nucular? W?
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12:50<enouf>is that you dubbya?
12:50<schneider>debian Español.....
12:50<enouf>buxa (~kurumin@ has joined channel #debian <-- you sure fooled us ;-)
12:51[~]enouf --> phone
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12:51[~]fxiny evesdrop enouf call from the tor throne :P
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12:55<enouf>fxiny: nothing here but us turkeys
12:55<fxiny>enouf: i'm still thinking about my superpowers ...
12:56<fxiny>enouf: did i tell you i'm running a vserver kernel ?
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12:56<enouf>fxiny: ahh, no you hadn't ;-)
12:58<enouf>fxiny: i need to go out a bit .. bb maybe later
12:58<fxiny>enouf: so i can connect from a jailed irss (which sits eleetely (?) in a screen session) to a bitlbee gw when some lame msn user wants to msg me
12:58<enouf>hehe, sounds like fun, you superhero you ;-() .. ok, ttyl
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12:59<fxiny>enouf: a vservr is great fun
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13:04<padski>fxiny: you must only use your special powers for good
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13:06<fxiny>padski: sure : i've been touched by the hand of a happy tor :)
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13:07<fxiny>padski: but i wouldn't mind to kick some riia/drm/all-of-them*stards promoter ass in the meantime :P
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13:08<fxiny>i am invisible :P
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13:18<vsayikiran>how to install xplanet1.2 in etch
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13:19<vsayikiran>does anyone know how to install xplanet in debian
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13:22<bloom>any idea why apt-get and aptitude want to uninstall file-rc on sid and replace it with sysv-rc?
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13:40<Wesley>seanius, do you have any more tips/suggestions ?
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13:53<pepito>quié hau por ahí?
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14:03<buxa>hi !
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14:07<geza>Hi! Is it possible to upgrade an offline sid debian host somehow?
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14:08<geza>I don't want to mirror the whole debian archive, it is too big
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14:11<seanius>Wesley: to jog my memory what exactly was the problem again?
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14:13<Wesley>seanius, the mysql process hogging up 98% cpu load. strace shows it tries to read from /var/run/mysql instead of /var/run/mysqld - all paths are correct in my.cnf and debian.cnf. there are no other instances of my.cnf other then in root (.my.cnf) with no instances of /var/run/mysql
14:13<Wesley>completely reinstalled/reconfigured mysql. and I have the problem on two machines
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14:14<seanius>Wesley: okay, etch or >> etch?
14:14<Wesley>seanius: here was the strace output
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14:14<lrp>how can i mount ntfs device with read/write permisions ?
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14:15<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
14:15<Wesley>what exactly do you mean seanius?
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14:15<Wesley>its 4.0
14:15<seanius>Wesley: was this database restored from some non-debian database before?
14:15<Wesley>it was not
14:15<seanius>as in, are oyu running debian stable or using testing/unstable/backports/etc
14:15<Wesley>never been restored before, other then last night when I did the reinstall of mysql
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14:16<lrp>ok installing ntfs-3g
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14:17<seanius>kernel version (uname -a) ?
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14:17<seanius>and was this not a problem previously, and just came out of no where, or are you installing this for the first tiem on the system
14:17<lrp>hey i installed
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14:18<lrp>ntfs installed , now when i add and usb ntfs device he automatically will became writable ?
14:18<Wesley>seanius, it been a problem before.. just never figured it out why, untill I started stracing the processes
14:18<Wesley>just not that the servers are getting less busy but still a high load rung a bell that something was wrong
14:18<lrp>grrrr i cannot write to my usb ntfs device grrrr
14:18<lrp>help please
14:19<seanius>does it suck up all that cpu even when idling, or is it under a bit of load
14:19<Wesley>and its stable btw sorry
14:19<Wesley>its under load still
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14:19<lrp>Eulex any idea about enable my device writable ??
14:19<seanius>are you sure it's not just a "the hardware isn't fast enough" issue, and/or some software doing really stupid things?
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14:20<dpkg>methinks ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
14:20<Eulex>lrp, just mount it as rw when using ntfs-3g?
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14:21<lrp>Eulex mount -t rw /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 ?
14:21<Wesley>seanius, can be.. but.. I have the problem on another machine
14:21<Wesley>not same software/hardware setup
14:21<Wesley>other then the OS
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14:21<Eulex>lrp, man mount.
14:21<lrp>i have automount installed
14:21<Eulex>lrp, and read up on ntfs-3g.
14:21<lrp>he automatically have to do that
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14:22<Wesley>My main question is, why does it keep trying to read *something* from /var/run/mysql - where is it defined, and what is it trying to open? mysql.sock I assume
14:22<grasn>how i find out my kde version?
14:23<Wesley>Im not knowledges enough to know if this is another software problem or not, all I know is what strace shows me..
14:24<seanius>Wesley: do you find the culprit in the output of "show variables"?
14:24<petemc>Wesley: /etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:25<Wesley>petemc; those paths are all correct.
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14:25<petemc>what about the permissions?
14:25<Wesley>seanius, I cannot find an instance of /var/run/mysql in the results of show variables;
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14:26<Wesley>petemc; also
14:26<petemc>what are they?
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14:26<seanius>Wesley: anything else "unique" about these machines? like ldap or database based user accounts or something?
14:27[~]petemc reads back
14:27<lrp>Eulex ok done m cpng to my usb device , many thanks to all
14:27<seanius>and ~mysql == /var/lib/mysql right?
14:28<Wesley>plain normal server as far as I know seanius, and no no ldap
14:28<seanius>uname -a ?
14:28<Wesley>I'm not sure what you mean by that seanius
14:28<seanius>echo ~mysql
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14:28<Wesley>Linux blob 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
14:28<Wesley>ah like that
14:28<Wesley>Yep thats /var/lib/mysql
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14:29<Wesley>I tried egrepping the whole machine for an instance of /var/run/mysql but hehe, its taking ages
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14:30<grasn>how i find out my kde version?
14:30<seanius>Wesley: i was going to suggest that as a last resort :)
14:31<sechafer>Mein name ist samuel chacon
14:31<Wesley>last resort, that doesn't sound too good :<
14:32<avtobiff>seanius, hi there!
14:32<sechafer>I from venezuela
14:33<Greesmunkee>So why are you speaking German then, if you are from Venezuela?
14:33<sechafer>soy de venzuela
14:33<seanius>Wesley: specifically, find / -path /proc -prune -o -path /sys -prune -o -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n200 grep /var/run/mysql > results.txt
14:33<sechafer>hablo español
14:34<sechafer>I dont speak english very welll
14:34<seanius>but maybe we can still avoid it
14:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:34<seanius>avtobiff, ah, helllo
14:34<Wesley>Thx! ill run that
14:34<seanius>maybe prepend a "nice " to it if you care about not affect performance too bad :)
14:35<avtobiff>seanius, btw. i remember now that you mailed me back :-)
14:36<seanius>Wesley: i'm running out of ideas. could you past the output of show variables somewhere?
14:36<sechafer>good bye thanks
14:37<Wesley>Hmm already have some found instances
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14:37<Wesley>Ah nm, its with a d. heh
14:37<seanius>avtobiff, ah, helll
14:38<seanius>oops history
14:38<avtobiff>seanius, np
14:38<seanius>Wesley: ah, maybe grep -E '/var/run/mysql[^d' then :)
14:38<seanius>but actually, i get this in my strace on an unstable system: getsockname(17, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/mysql[30]) = 0
14:39<seanius>er, not exactly that looks like it didn't paste right. but you might be barking up the wrong tree
14:39<Wesley>let me strace another machine aswell
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14:42<Wesley>cant find another unstable machine
14:42<Wesley>seanius, so you're saying its normal behavior?
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14:44<seanius>Wesley: maybe, i've never looked before
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14:45<seanius>have you tried anything to see if there's something specific slowing it down? i.e. innotop or log_slow_queries?
14:45<seanius>have you tried disabling binlogs?
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14:48<vokuro>Hi all
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14:49<Wesley>I did seanius, thats why I removed some sites from it to see if that would help
14:49<Wesley>lets see about the binlogs
14:49<vokuro>Anyone to help . I've got a weird issue with my etch
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14:50<Wesley>dont think it was on before. just used a default my.cnf from Maulkin
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14:51<grasn>how i find out my kde version?
14:51<vokuro>After a day or two, my system goes slow, top is not showing (I have to ctrl-c) and vmstat shows nothing wrong... I don't where to start searching...
14:52<chealer>grasn: which Debian suite do you use?
14:52<seanius>Wesley: i think it's on by default
14:52<grasn>what u mean with suite, i have debian etch
14:52<grasn>and made apt-get install kde
14:52<Wesley>Anyhow, i've disabled it. same problem
14:52<Wesley>im gonna try innotop
14:53<chealer>grasn: right, etch. then suggests you have KDE 3.5.5.
14:53<Wesley>there a debian package for it? :~
14:53<grasn>oki thank u xD
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14:53<fox>hi man
14:53<fox>hi man
14:54<fox>can anyone help me?
14:54<chealer>fox: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
14:54<fox>ah thanks
14:54<fox>nothing know the problem of my machine
14:54<vokuro>i forgot to mention i use my debian as a web server (minimum network install)
14:54<fox>i install debian
14:54<fox>2 h ago
14:54<chealer>vokuro: even if you run top as root, it doesn't show?
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14:55<fox>who's can help me?
14:55<fox>i install debian 2 h ago, and now i'm in the shell
14:55<fox>when i install kde
14:55<chealer>fox: don't send a non-private message in private without asking for permission first.
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14:56<fox>how can i do for someone help me?
14:56<antinullaptop>how is everyone?
14:56<grasn>how can i set VLC as my default video player?
14:56<antinullaptop>happy thanks for giving me free linux?
14:56<vokuro>chealer: i finally root (mu su took 1 minute) and top is not showing or at least it is _extremely_slow...
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14:57<antinullaptop>my p2 laptop is being uber slow
14:57<chealer>fox: explain how you can be helped
14:57<antinullaptop>im going to reload
14:57<fox>ah thanks
14:57<fox>i install debian
14:57<fox>2 h ago
14:57<fox>and i install kde
14:57<fox>and x-window.system
14:57<seanius>Wesley: it's in the latest unstable mysql client package, but it's just a small perl script and library so you could probably download it off the net adn run it pretty easily
14:57<fox>now when i do startx
14:57<fox>my debian don't found monitor
14:57<Wesley>I found a nice little .deb file
14:58<chealer>vokuro: what about ps?
14:58<antinullaptop>roflcopters and lolerskates for all
14:58<fox>and have a fatal error
14:58<Wesley>just that my machien hada pretty high load due to the fund command :p
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14:58<fox>this is my problem
14:58<seanius>hee hee
14:58<vokuro>chealer: 'ps -ef' does respond quickly
14:58<Wesley>so have to wait a little bit :~
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14:58<chealer>!tell fox about no screens found
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14:59<seanius>don't forget log_slow_queries too :)
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15:00<chealer>vokuro: does it identify processes eating CPU?
15:00<Wesley>to disable it seanius?
15:00<Wesley>Oh wait. hmm
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15:00<vokuro>chealer: "ps -eo pid,args,pcpu" shows all process à %CPU 0,0 !!!
15:00<fox>can i tolk in provate whith chealer?
15:00<vokuro>weird, i said ;)
15:00<Wesley>Well.. there might be some slo queries once in a while. tried to optimize most. but tho im not the expert.. I dont really think thats the problem
15:01<chealer>fox: no, unless you have a good reason.
15:01<fox>my debian don't start
15:01<Wesley>I just find it weird that the strace floods with those messages i've pasted in the pastebin thing. it can't be normal
15:01<fox>and i ask you help
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15:01<chealer>fox: did you see the message that dpkg sent you?
15:01<fox>i'm reading
15:01<fox>teh log
15:02<fox>but xfree86
15:02<fox>dont eist
15:02<chealer>!no screens found
15:02<dpkg>methinks screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".
15:02<fox>don't exist xfree86.0.log
15:02<fox>is the same?
15:03<Wesley>seanius, hehehe the search was in a loop with the result.txt file
15:03<fox>they say
15:04<fox>Fatal error ù: no screen found
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15:04<vokuro>chealer: netstat -a shows a lot a TIME_WAIT
15:05<chealer>dpkg: no, no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".
15:05<dpkg>okay, chealer
15:05<fox>any suggestion chealer?
15:05<chealer>fox: no. Xorg.0.log is what you should check.
15:06<fox>ah ok
15:06<fox>the say that many folder don't exist
15:06<fox>same ..../x11/fonts/misc
15:06<fox>entry deleted from font path
15:06<chealer>fox: that shouldn't be the problem. start looking at the end of the log.
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15:07<antinullaptop>im back lol
15:07<fox>(II) bus 2 non-prefectchable memory range : ...
15:07<fox>chealer this is?
15:07<SqueegeeMan>I'm trying to get debian working on a laptop. Most of it is going ok, but whenver I start x, the text console (cntrlf`1,f2,) etc become grabled and unreadable both while X is runnign and afterwards. I know I have seen this problem before but cannot remember what the deal is. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
15:08<chealer>fox: that's just information, look for EE and WW
15:08<fox>ee no devices detected
15:08<fox>at the end
15:08<chealer>vokuro: I don't know what it means, but I don't see why it would be a problem.
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15:08<fox>(ee) no devices detected. fatal error, no screens found
15:09<fox>this is the problem
15:09<fox>but i don't know how fix it
15:09<chealer>fox: which X driver do you use?
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15:09<fox>vesa you mean?
15:10<chealer>fox: hum, yes...
15:10<fox>up there are write
15:10<vokuro>chealer: right, but i can't find what's going wrong with my machine. I can't find anything in messages or syslog... I'm lost.
15:10<chealer>fox: which video card do you use?
15:10<fox>(II) vesa: driver for vesa chipset : vesa
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15:10<fox>i use a kyro
15:10<fox>128 mb
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15:10<fox>but the go whith slackware
15:10<fox>and other
15:10<chealer>vokuro: sorry, no idea.
15:10<fox>in the first that i install debian
15:10<fox>i install gnome automactly
15:11<fox>and gnome run
15:11<fox>now not run:S
15:11<vokuro>chealer: np. thx anyway :)
15:11<lawrence>excuse me :)
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15:12<chealer>fox: which Debian suite do you use?
15:12<fox>i donwload the news
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15:12<fox>of the site
15:12<fox>i gave you the site where i donwload it?
15:12<chealer>fox: the URL, yes, please.
15:13<fox>the 3 dvd
15:13<fox>if the don't work correcly can you give me the correct link?
15:14<fox>to set display how can id o?
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15:14<fox>maybe tghe problem is this
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15:15<chealer>fox: what do you mean by display?
15:15<fox>when i put inm the sheel
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15:15<fox>they show
15:15<fox>kdeinit: aborting. $display is not set
15:15<chealer>fox: what's the manufacturer of your video card?
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15:16<fox>i don't know
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15:16<chealer>fox: DISPLAY will be set once X is started.
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15:17<fox>i don't undestand
15:17<fox>whot i do?
15:17<chealer>fox: which Slackware version worked with the card?
15:17<chealer>fox: you fix X.
15:18<fox>and other distro
15:18<fox>the first time that i install debvian 2 day ago
15:18<fox>it automacly start gnome
15:18<fox>whithout install it
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15:18<chealer>fox: was it the same Debian version?
15:19<chealer>fox: how did you do your current install?
15:19<fox>how long it take?
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15:19<chealer>fox: no, but what did you do differently from your first install?
15:20<fox>the same
15:20<fox>and when debian rebbot
15:20<chealer>fox: why did you reinstall?
15:20<fox>the gnome show error
15:20<fox>becouse i won't kde
15:20<fox>so i restall it
15:20<chealer>fox: there's no need to reinstall for KDE.
15:21<fox>i odn't know about linux:S
15:21<fox>there are a solution?
15:21<fox>for my problem
15:21<chealer>fox: if you did both installs the same way, why did you expect it would be easier to install KDE in the second install?
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15:22<Wesley>seanius, cant seem to install DBD::mysql :/
15:22<fox>becouse teh first i suspect that gnome is automatic install, and the second way i read all to undestand why gnome start
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15:23<SqueegeeMan>is there no equivalent of base-config in lenny?
15:24<christoph>hi. can someone tell me a name of a good ( maybe dev-php like ) free ide for editing php, html, css ,js ?
15:25<fox>chealer any suggestion?
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15:26<chealer>fox: in your second install, X never started?
15:26<fox>the show me this error
15:26<chealer>fox: GNOME is installed, right?
15:27<chealer>fox: is the xorg package installed?
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15:27<fox>maybe yes
15:27<fox>how can i do eacly?
15:27<fox>if there are the log,so there is installed
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15:27<chealer>fox: you can check by running $ apt-cache policy xorg
15:28<fox>it is isntalled
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15:28<chealer>fox: I think we'd need more information about your video card.
15:28<fox>is a kyro card
15:28<fox>128 mb
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15:29<fox>so this need driver vesa
15:30<chealer>fox: 128 mb doesn't help. you'd need to at least find the manufacturer.
15:30<fox>1 moment so
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15:30<grasn>how can i set VLC as my default video player?
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15:31<fox>do you know hercules?
15:31<chealer>grasn: which desktop environment do you use?
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15:31<grasn>kde u mean?
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15:33<grasn>what is desktop environment
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15:34<avu_>kDE is a Desktop Environment, yes ;))
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15:34<grasn>oki xD
15:34<chealer>fox: yes. which model or version is it?
15:35<fox>i find it
15:35<fox>one moment
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15:35<fox>maybe is Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 64MB Kyro II
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15:37<chealer>grasn: ask #debian-kde
15:37<grasn>where to set the defailt player?
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15:39<chealer>fox: that doesn't help much with website as useless as Hercules's. which chipset does it use?
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15:39<yang>If I have 1Gb of memory, which memory sum is calculated from "top" command - Virt/RES/SHR ?
15:39<fox>i don't know
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15:42<Greesmunkee>I have a MIDI keyboard and would like to be able to play something. Can someone point me on the right way to what kind of software I need? I find all the descriptions confusing
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15:43<MOX_NOX>Hi, i have a question. Sorry for mi english. I just finish to install ubuntu 7.10, and when go to install the driver of video for console tell me what i have to go to root. The question is How?
15:44<Greesmunkee>MOX_NOX: su
15:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
15:44<MOX_NOX>Thanks =)
15:45<avu_>(plus the right answer would be something more along the lines of 'sudo -s', su won't work because you don't have a root password)
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15:45<avu_>(but that#s offtopic so I'll shut up :))
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15:46<MOX_NOX>I try
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16:04<yang>If I have 1Gb of memory, which memory sum is calculated from "top" command - Virt/RES/SHR ?
16:06<Eulex>yang, the memory use of applications doesn't have much to do with your amount of ram... well except for RES, which only measures memory that is not swapped out.
16:06<jusae>any info on superusers, addin configurin and stuff?
16:06<Eulex>jusae, that's a very unspecific question.
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16:07<jusae>i wanna add a super user, but not sure why or how?
16:08<Eulex>jusae, there is one root user. you can give limited users access to the root user through sudo, though
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16:09<jusae>so super user should have access to some additional admin functions
16:09<jusae>a production box would have super users added to it, right
16:09<yang>Eulex: in top there are 3 memory calculations displayed virt/res/shr....and at the beggining there is a calculation of MEM (total, used, swap) I wonder which one of the virt/res/shr applies to that
16:09<Eulex>jusae, there isn't anything like a 'super user' in linux.
16:10<Eulex>yang, they have no relation.
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16:11<Eulex>yang, VIRT is the total memory space mapped to the application, RES is the total resident memory by the app (including shared memory), SHR is the memory (potentially) shared with other applications
16:11<jusae>is a system user the same as a super user?
16:11<Eulex>jusae, there is no difference in how the
16:11<Eulex>jusae, user is set up. however, you can grant it priviledges to run commands as root through sudo.
16:13<jusae>any info on sudo? gonna man that, give me a sec, plus some info on system users
16:13<jusae>no man entry on sudo
16:13<dpkg>well, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
16:13<themill>jusae: you'll have to install the sudo package
16:13<cahoot>¡SUperuser DO
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16:16<grasn>how can i set VLC as my default video player?
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16:18<antinullaptop>back again ;)
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16:33<jusae>can u invoke the su command during post login, so a user can have super-user status (thou still not sure why)
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16:34<jusae>so the super-user has access to sbin, rather then bin
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16:34<jusae>okay, gettin somewhere, not sure where :)
16:34[~]jusae nominates himself as idiot child number 1
16:35<jusae>i used to use that term all the time
16:35<jusae>not givin up my box once workin
16:36<themill>jusae: if you just want commands out of /sbin and /usr/sbin, then you just need to change your $PATH.
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16:40<jusae>whats the difference, between user and super-user
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16:41<jusae>according to the man page on su, super-user has sbin access aswell
16:41<chealer>jusae: a user is not necessarily the super-sue
16:42<jusae>but addin the sbin path to a users login would get them the same as super-user
16:42<themill>jusae: everyone has access to the commands in /sbin -- they're just files. They might not do you any good if you are a non-root user though.
16:44<themill>jusae: As a non-root user, type in /sbin/ifconfig -- it will show you your network settings. Now try /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down and it will politely tell you to go away because you are not root. The security mechanism isn't just based on what's in $PATH as you can change that at any time you like to anything you like.
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16:44<jusae>those commands are in the sbin, right, so if su has sbin access they can do that
16:45<jusae>if i move ifconfig to bin, would users have control over the nic?
16:46<Gathond>jusae: no
16:46<themill>jusae: no.... location means nothing. There are more sophisticated ways of making sure you are the root user when you are trying to do things.
16:46<Gathond>jusae: users would be able to run it without explicitly typing /sbin/ first though
16:47<Gathond>or add that to their path
16:47<themill>not that you would ever do something like move a file from /sbin to /bin ...
16:47<jusae>adding something to the path gives them access depending on the permissions?
16:48<Gathond>jusae: to the binary yes
16:49<Gathond>but ifconfig still needs to be run by root to change anything
16:49<Gathond>any user that can execute it can see information with it though
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16:53<v4mpire>hey guys how do i find which is the best files to remove from /var partition as im using 100%
16:54<sortadi>you can get ird of /var/cache/apt/archives
16:54<sortadi>but you better do it safely using aptitude clean
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17:00<v4mpire>sortadi, i tryed..
17:01<v4mpire>its empty
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17:04<v4mpire>/dev/sda6 2.8G 2.8G 0 100% /var
17:04<v4mpire>/dev/sda1 259M 242M 3.0M 99% /
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17:07<grasn>hey is there a default ftp client coming with kde?
17:07<grasn>i cannot find a ftp client in my kde
17:07<Eulex>v4mpire, there's nothing 'best', and you shouldn't remove stuff plainlessly.
17:07<themill>v4mpire: what have you got in /var?? 2.8GB is a lot for /var (I have 2 chroots for building packages in there and I only have 1.4GB)
17:08<PriitM>Hello, is there any must-do tasks what should I do after installing Debian 4(except updates, they're done already)?
17:08<themill>grasn: konqueror can do it for you. just use an ftp url.
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17:11<v4mpire>themill, not much in the sense of diff things
17:12<v4mpire>i have been having to delete syslogs when i was runing outta space but 2 of the syslogs are now only 1.somthing mb
17:12<v4mpire>and the current 1 in use is like 300 n summit mb
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17:13<themill>v4mpire: use either du or a graphical disk-use tool to investigate what's hogging space. Also work out why the logs are getting so big... that's big...
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17:16<v4mpire>i've tryed du didn't help much :/
17:17<v4mpire>252MB in /var/lib
17:17<themill>v4mpire: should do .... might need to frig with the options a little to get the level of detail you want though. sometimes du | sort -n is helpful
17:17<themill>v4mpire: that's normal for /var/lib
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17:17<v4mpire>hmm well 1.4gb in /var/log
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17:18<Greesmunkee>sorry to butt in, but du -h /var |more lists all files recursively and gives the space each file takes up
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17:19<v4mpire>1.1gb in /var/www o_O
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17:20<v4mpire>forgot about that gb file in /var/www
17:20<v4mpire>thats taken it down to 69% on /var
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17:23<D4rthM4ul[DL]>jemand da, der mir evtl beim nvidia-treiber helfen könnt?
17:23<v4mpire>there a package for libshout, libsamplerate, libsndfile and pyGTK ?
17:23<v4mpire>and Jack Audio Connection Kit
17:24<v4mpire>and lame
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17:24<v4mpire>oh and libmad
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17:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:28<themill>D4rthM4ul[DL]: ^^
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17:30<themill>Greesmunkee: that's a good tip, although I find du | sort -n to be more helpful as that sorts the biggest disk users to the end so you can concentrate your efforts on the worst offenders more easily.
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17:31<Greesmunkee>themill: we live and learn. I will remeber the sort command. Never used it till now ;-)
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17:33<themill>Greesmunkee: the -n option makes it sort numerically so that the number column is treated as numbers not as characters (i.e. so that "2 " is less than "10" as you want)
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17:38<grasn>why is a programm still in the taskbar from desktop1 if i switch it to desktop2?
17:39<v4mpire>ir doesn't want to be left all alone :o
17:39<avtobiff>grasn, in gnome?
17:40<grasn>well its the root terminal it should be able to stand alone xD
17:40<avtobiff>ok. cant you simply change some preference saying that it should or should not show windows from all or just the current workspace?
17:41<Nemoder>I know you can in xfce, not sure how in kde
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17:42<grasn>i cannot find the settings xD
17:42<chealer>grasn: ...why would it disappear?
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17:44<grasn>i just dont understand why there no 2 taskbars if there 2 desktops, i just could switch desktop to work with the others
17:45<Nemoder>Is there a standard way for 3rd party software to install a desktop menu item for all major environments or does it have to be done a different way for each one?
17:45<grasn>it makes no sense for me if there all programs in the taskbar, cus i like to use 2 desktops to have a cleaner taskbar
17:46<grasn>ok i found a option to switch it off, yiipiii
17:46<sooperkuh>Nemoder: .desktop files
17:46<sooperkuh>a standard from
17:46<Nemoder>sooperkuh: I was looking at those but I'm not sure how to actually install them
17:48<sooperkuh>for me just dropping them in the right spot (and the icons with them) works. don't know if that ist the "right way" though
17:48<themill>Nemoder: into /usr/share/applications/ for applications and /usr/share/mimelnk/application to define mimetypes and what programs to use to open files.
17:48<themill>Nemoder: There are equivalent places in ~/.local/ for your own customisations.
17:49<Nemoder>ya I was hoping for a user directory solution
17:49<Nemoder>but just dropping the .desktop file in ~/.local/share doesn't seem to be enough
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17:50<antinullaptop>mmmm foooddd
17:50<themill>Nemoder: it should be ~/.local/share/applications
17:51<antinullaptop>thats where food is?
17:52<Nemoder>themill: thanks
17:52<themill>Nemoder: np :)
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17:52<themill>antinullaptop: no, that's in /dev/zero or /dev/random depending on how long since you've shopped....
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18:11<themill>!greet Guest1594
18:11<dpkg>Moo, Guest1594
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18:12<Guest1594>what is different than Ubuntu?
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18:12<Brasil_PA>onde baixo jogos para o debian ?
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18:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:14<piper>Guest1594: Never use Ubuntu packages on Debian/Debian sid. They are binary incompatible and will break your system for sure
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18:18<Greesmunkee>I never understood just "how
18:18<Greesmunkee>I never understood just "how" different ubuntu was till I came here and watched for a while...
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18:21<Nemoder>is that good or bad?
18:21<Greesmunkee>Dunno, never used it so I couldn't tell you
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18:24<Greesmunkee>But I just bought a computer mag and it had a cd with Ubuntu in it so I might just have to take a peek...
18:24<Greesmunkee>Its supposed to be quite easy on new users from what I gather, so maybe its time for my girlfriend to ditch her windoze
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18:26<v4mpire>hey guys what do i need to fix
18:26<v4mpire>checking for headers required to compile python extensions... not found
18:26<themill>Greesmunkee: yeah... I'm not convinced about gnome as a general rule. And maintenance is a pig -- be careful when upgrading. And don't use automatix.... ;)
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18:27<Greesmunkee>themill: Automatix? Is that their version of dselect?
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18:27<lanceallott>I think ubuntu and kubutu have live cd .iso's
18:28<grasn>why i can see more pixels on a video, then on windows if i make fullscreen?
18:28<v4mpire>the install cd is a live cd
18:28<themill>Greesmunkee: no, it's a 3rd party thing that tries to help by installing codecs fonts etc. Even the ubuntu devs say its rubbish and breaks systems, but I still see plenty of reviews saying "just use automatix".
18:28<lanceallott>your right
18:28<dpkg>i guess automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, etc.), web core fonts, etc.
18:28<v4mpire>themill, any ideas to my problem ?
18:29<themill>hmm.... I'm sure that used to say some other unsavoury things about automatix
18:29<themill>!factinfo automatix
18:29<dpkg>automatix -- last modified at Wed Nov 7 19:45:24 2007 by chealer!~chealer@; it has been requested 2 times, last by themill, 55s ago.
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18:30<themill> v4mpire: I never use python, so no.
18:30<v4mpire>oh i eventually founda link on google
18:31<miksuh>lanceallott: there is debian livecd too :) :) Youi can also generate your own livecd using tools in the debian repoitory :)
18:31<Greesmunkee>I can see the attraction for new users of getting all the adobe/flash/codecs set up.
18:31<zamochit>who have experience whit dvgrab and firewire cams ?? here ,please
18:31<lanceallott>miksuh: does debian have live 64 bit cd ??
18:32<miksuh>64bit livecd image is also there
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18:32<themill>Greesmunkee: yes, but it does it in a way that leaves you with a broken system. later uses of aptitude or synaptic will start bitching about broken packages or conflicts. Horrid.
18:32<grasn>how can i multiserver with xchat?
18:33<zamochit>sorry, i need help anyone to use dvgrab whit firewire cams
18:34<Greesmunkee>ah yes, broken system. Been there done that. RedHat a long time ago if I remember rightly,...
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18:36<Greesmunkee>themill: That sure is a lot of bad karma for 1 program.
18:36<BBoyDanny>hello every1 =)
18:37<themill>Greesmunkee: yep... horrid
18:38<miksuh>lanceallott: 64bit image:
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18:40<lanceallott>miksuh: dumb question..why does it say amd, will it work on intel cpu
18:40<themill>dpkg: g'night
18:40<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
18:40<miksuh>lanceallott: it should
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18:41<lanceallott>miksuh: only way to find out is to burn it and run it I guess
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18:41<themill>lanceallott: amd64 will work on intel core 2 duo and friends, but not on their server processors
18:42<lanceallott>themill: ah..good
18:42<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
18:43<stdan>hi, i have a problem with the compilation of a 2.6 kernel. can someone help me pls? i get the error: yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version evdev (fatal). Thanks!
18:43<themill>!tell stdan about multiple ask
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18:51<Greesmunkee>am I allowed to use dpkg (here) and if so, how do I use him/it? Does everything need the /msg prefix?
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18:55<Greesmunkee>Tried the unlobotomy command (seemed interesting...) but it doesn't seem to do much
18:55<petemc>Greesmunkee: on any irc client ive used, /msg opens another window, you can chat away in that
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18:58<chealer>Greesmunkee: yes, you can request the foo factoid with "!foo". no. it's best to ask in private though.
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18:59<Greesmunkee>ok, thanks. will play a bit
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19:00<Greesmunkee>sorry, its been used since I used irc, n case you hadn't noticed :-)
19:00<Greesmunkee>doh, years, its been years since...
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19:26<v4mpire>guys any chance with help on this
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19:26<v4mpire>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.12.0, but GLIB (2.12.4)
19:26<v4mpire>*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
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19:37<lennox>is there a net install version of lenny?
19:37<lennox>i cant find one on the page
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19:38<streuner>lennox: /list #debian-boot
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19:39<v4mpire>petemc, u able to help with
19:39<v4mpire>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.12.0, but GLIB (2.12.4)
19:39<v4mpire>*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
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19:41<lennox>the only netinstall i see is for etch, is there no lenny netinstall?
19:42<petemc>v4mpire: no
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19:46<_HAL_>hello everybody
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19:49<SqueegeeMan>is kde broken in lenny?
19:49<chealer>SqueegeeMan: ask #debian-kde
19:50<streuner>chealer: they will enjoy that question ;-)
19:50<chealer>streuner: yeah, particularly if he can be more vague :)
19:51[~]Munkee grins inanely, quietly....
19:51<streuner>well, in my experience i had to switch between KDE and GNOME, because these huge DEs often broke in unstable or testing...
19:52<_HAL_>Can i have a triple-boot (mac os x, debian, windows) on a mac with Boot Camp or I have to use a soft likes Grub ?
19:52<SqueegeeMan>well I was meaning to ask if there was a known issue of it just being borked, but I asked more specificallyin #debian-kde
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19:54<evilmanu>I have a problem with bluetooth
19:54<Munkee>SqueegeeMan: and is it broken?
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19:55<evilmanu>when I install bluez, my pc freeze.
19:55<_HAL_>can you hear me ?
19:56<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
19:56<SqueegeeMan>munkee dunno :)
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19:57<streuner>_HAL_: sounds rather like a question who has experience with macosx
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19:57<streuner>_HAL_: tried #macosx on Freenode or such?
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19:58<_HAL_>streuner: ok, i'll try on #macos
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20:00<Wesley>Anone ever experienced a dc++ dddos? :/
20:01<Munkee>Wesley: is that an offer...? :-)
20:02<Wesley>Hehe no, more that we're experiencing one right now and I have difficulties blocking all the IP's :)
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20:02<Wesley>trying to capture the packets with tcpdump and block them but meh, script isnt flawless
20:02<Wesley>must be a more simple solution
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20:04<jaakko>Wesley: block? Have you tried Wireshark?
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20:04<jaakko>Wesley: it is not more simple, but perhaps easier...
20:05<Wesley>true that
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20:06<Wesley>tcpdump did the trick to find out the problem, its a patched bug in dc++
20:06<Wesley>blocking it however seems more difficult
20:06<Wesley>les.. easy ;)
20:07<jaakko>Wesley: what are you trying to block? Isn't firewalls for that?
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20:07<jaakko>Wesley: I just came here, didn't see your earlies msgs...
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20:08<Wesley>Ahh right
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20:08<Wesley>we're under a dc++ ddos attack
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20:08<Wesley>blocked 6784 IP's so far
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20:09<jaakko>Wesley: wow.. I red a good description about dc++ attack a some time ago, it is a pdf somewhere...
20:09<Wesley>Hmm, any change you are able to find it?
20:10<Wesley>Didn't hear about it before, google just popped up some things that made me figure it out
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20:12<jaakko>Wesley: I will try to find it. May be you could use some iptables script to block the attacks. Are you distributing something with dc?
20:13<Wesley>No we have nothing to do with dc++
20:13<Wesley>I found a neat little .tcl script to block the IP's.. it does it job somewhat (have to run the script over and over) but it seems to block IP's :)
20:13<Wesley>maybe I should put it in a while loop
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20:18<Wesley>from what I read it can be up to more then 300k IP's. joy
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20:25<Wesley>this is gonna be a long night, again
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20:28<jaakko>Wesley: are you hosting some big and important server? Do you have a static IP or could you change it?
20:29<Wesley>There are 200 websites on that IP
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20:29<Wesley>not that easy to change the IP
20:29<Wesley>my old company had some pretty nice hardware that would filter this out. beh
20:30<lubos>what is the smallest desktop manager which can handle autologin?
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20:34<jaakko>lubos: if you need really small.. write a script.
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20:34<SqueegeeMan>I am on a fresh install of lenny on a laptop. gdm and kdm both crash, but I can start X with X or startx. I can start gnome fine, but kde will not load and most kde-apps segfault instantly with no explanation. After X has started, my virtual consoles are no longer readable. I am at a loss. Suggestion welcome.
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20:35<chealer>SqueegeeMan: did any display manager or KDE ever work on that laptop?
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20:36<SqueegeeMan>gnome works fine, but not gdm. This is my first attempt at installing linux on this machine, so no other DMs have worked
20:37<SqueegeeMan>hmm. when I try to run konqueror off of another machine on this display over ssh it also segfaults
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20:38<chealer>SqueegeeMan: unless others have suggestions, I suggest trying Debian stable.
20:38<lubos>jaakko: I did that. but from some reason it always strats X on tty1 and other consoles cannot be used..:-)
20:39<SqueegeeMan>chealer: I was afraid it would come to that :-( THanks for the help
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20:43<jaakko>lubos: I had problems too, but I got it finally working.
20:43<jaakko>lubos: what started your script?
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20:48<lubos>jaakko: I just did su - user startx and put it into rc2:-)
20:49<lubos>jaakko: any chance to show me your script?
20:51<jaakko>lubos: yes, but it was other computer I did it. I can't remember exactly what was the final.. but I wrote a script and edited /etc/inittab to start it in tty2.
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20:52<jaakko>lubos: I think I can test it tomorrow, I was going to do some installing anyway.
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20:53<jaakko>lubos: it is 4 am here I haven't slep yet. Better if I dont't share scripts at this time :D
20:54<lubos>jaakko: 4am ? :-) man you better get some sleep:-)) any chance you email me that script later?
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21:54<Gunner>Solver, you about?
21:59<Gunner>ok...Nemoder are you here?
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22:09<Gunner>is anyone alive here?
22:09<blarson>Gunner: no
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22:09<Gunner>oh good
22:10<Gunner>just got my debian machine set up and php, mysql, etc set up yesterday and lost it all when the hard drive crashed on me
22:11<Gunner>and my son threw away all the notes I'd written down from Solver and Nemoder
22:11<Gunner>so I'm trying to rebuild it
22:11<Gunner>can't remember what package I need so I can remote login
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22:18<noflash>Gunner, ssh
22:18<Gunner>noflash: thanks
22:18<Gunner>I just hope I can remember everything I was installing/setting up
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22:20<Gunner>attempting to set up a webserver here at home
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22:26<Gunner>here's a silly question...why when I go into SU mode do I lose the color designation of folders, executables, and standard files? I log into another webserver that I work on for an IRC server and when I go into SU mode there I don't.
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22:28<[machine]>gunner: could be a number of reasons... most likely your root user isn't set up with colours enabled for ls on one of the boxes
22:28<enouf>Gunner: alias ls='ls --color=auto'
22:28<ejos>review your bash profile,if you use bash
22:29<Gunner>not sure if I use bash or not....I'm a real rookie when it comes to setting these things up. I've only done work on established linux machines
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22:31<ejos>gunner: do env | grep -i shell
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22:34<ejos>excelent, so you use bash.... do like enouf told you to do
22:36<Gunner> how do I make it permanent?
22:37<enouf>echo $TERM, echo $SHELL, echo $HOME while in su .. then edit that file
22:38<enouf>er, likely /root/.bashrc or /root/.profile or similar
22:38<ejos>copy that into .bashrc,get out of session and get in
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22:39<Kevverz>I need help
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22:39<enouf>not enough Turkey?
22:39<Kevverz>I'm not sure how to install cc, the compiler
22:39<Kevverz>otherwise i cant install gcc (1st time using debian)
22:40<Kevverz>I'm in canada, it's not turkey day
22:40<Kevverz>how do i install the cc compiler?
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22:41<ejos>aptitude install gcc
22:41<Kevverz>it says i need the cc compiler
22:41<enouf>apt-get update && apt-get install gcc
22:41<Kevverz>will it require the gcc compiler?
22:42<enouf>i get a kick out of this for homing in on the g++ ones apt-cache search -n g++ | grep ^g | grep ++
22:42<Gunner>enough, not entirely sure what you mean.....
22:43<enouf>who's enough? ;-)
22:44[~]Gunner curses his english teachers from high school
22:44<enouf>Gunner: as user, no su, type 'alias' only
22:44<Kevverz> ty enouf.
22:44<Kevverz>it worked:)
22:44<enouf>ok then ;-)
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22:45<Gunner>I get this........ alias ls='ls --color=auto'
22:45<enouf>right, now that comes from your /home/username/.bashrc file likely
22:46<enouf>you need to do the same for your root user
22:47<enouf>Gunner: as user, do echo $HOME, then do su, and do the same
22:47<Gunner>there are no files in my username dir
22:47<enouf>rofl .. really? ;-)
22:47<enouf>ls -al
22:48<enouf>these are dotfiles
22:48<ejos>echo "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" | tee -a .bashrc
22:48<enouf>without the -a option
22:48<ejos>yes, sorry
22:48<enouf>!wikifaq dotfiles
22:49<Gunner>total 12
22:49<Gunner>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-11-22 14:21 .
22:49<Gunner>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2007-11-22 14:19 ..
22:49<Gunner>drwxr-xr-x 2 bryant bryant 4096 2007-11-22 14:23 bryant
22:49<dpkg>dotfiles is, like,
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22:53<Gunner>w00t! got it
22:53<Kevverz>Thanks so much for your help sir
22:53<Kevverz>I will be going now:)
22:54<ejos>somebody have been worked on fingerprint hp pavilion tx1000
22:54<ejos>sorry, somebody have been worked on fingerprint hp pavilion tx1000?
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23:03<Gunner>thanks for the help, sure I'll be back again soon. Especially since I am having to rebuild this darn thing from the ground up again. Will definately need help
23:03<Gunner>night all
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23:11<ejos>sorry , but i got it go, see ya
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23:46<josh>alguien aca
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23:47<Guest1629>hola alguien de argentina
23:48<chealer>!tell Guest1629 about es
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