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---Logopened Fri Nov 23 00:00:03 2007
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00:18<twb>I want to give a user a command line that will prevent init.d service `foo' from starting at boot. I normally would do this using rcconf, but that requires interaction. Should I tell him to run "update-rc.d -f foo remove"?
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01:02<fous>hi everyone
01:02<fous>anyone up ?
01:03<twb>I'm not anyone.
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01:03<fous>o ok
01:03<fous>ur someone cool
01:04<fous>I have a few questions like always
01:04<fous>so how do I set up samba server to have permissions for a user
01:04<twb>I am not from Ur.
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01:05<twb>Ur was a city in, I believe, what is not the middle east.
01:06<fous>o ok
01:06<twb>Yes, it is in Iraq.
01:06<fous>well im from nyc
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01:11<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
01:11<long>nyc? I thought u r sleeping now
01:11<long>I mean now
01:12<fous>working lol
01:12<fous>wondering if anyone on here was awake
01:12<simonrvn> |
01:12<fous>it's quiet
01:12<simonrvn>/ \
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01:18<yos87>somebody know a package to send and recieve bluetooth in the graphic mode?
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01:20<mankod>yos87, bluez-gnome
01:23<yos87>mankod: I install it, where it is now?
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01:26<simonrvn>uh, you could run it from a term...
01:27<mankod>yos87, dpgk -L bluez-gnome
01:27<yos87>simonrvn: I don't know you are in both channel
01:27<simonrvn>many are
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01:39<twb>yos87: *did not, channels
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01:49<yos87>simonrvn: I'm sending files from my mobile to the pc, But I don't know where it's going
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01:55<cafuego>yos87: Mine end up on my desktop; you may want to check ~/ too.
01:57<yos87>cafuego: before it was going to my home dir, But now, I don't know where it's going! , when I send the same file again, it fail to send, becasue it's saved on the pc
01:57<yos87>how can I choose the location where is bluetooth file coming?
01:59<cafuego>yos87: `find' is your friend then.
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02:00<yos87>I did that already, I couldn't find anything
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03:17<Sescevok>anyone here?
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03:26<Sescevok>gnome or KDE?
03:28<twb>Sescevok: no thank you.
03:28<shilow>anyone here been able to compile bitchx from source on debian sid?
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03:29<Sescevok>twb: neither for you huh?
03:29<twb>shilow: what's the source package?
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03:29<muep>Sescevok: many choose something else, but there are usually as many opinions as there are people discussing
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03:30<twb>muep: I disagree.
03:30<long_>Is anyone using KDE4 , what about it?
03:31<shilow>twb: its just a tarball the src fromt he ftp
03:31<twb>shilow: foolish!
03:31<twb>shilow: bitchx is already packaged for Debian.
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03:31<shilow>the deps for bitchx-gtk are broken in sid
03:32<shilow>bitchx-gtk: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
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03:34<twb>Good heavens
03:34<Sescevok>muep: i agree
03:34<twb>Apparently bitchx's source package is ircii-pana
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03:35<twb>shilow: bitchx appears to be scheduled for removal
03:35<shilow>can you point me in a howtoo to compile source deb packages?
03:36<chealer>long_: ask #debian-kde
03:36<long_>which IRC client are you using? what's the advantage?
03:36<twb>long_: rcirc
03:37<twb>shilow: I gotta go, someone else will know
03:37<dpkg>To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'.
03:37<shilow>well thx for the info
03:38<twb>bitchx is goin' down, see the BTS entry
03:38<twb>It apparently has unaddressed CVE (security vulnerabilities)
03:39<shilow>figures withthat backdoor that was in cypress
03:39<twb>That bein' the case, I don't know why you want it.
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03:40<shilow>well you changed my mind
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03:40<shilow>reccomed any x based irc clients
03:40<shilow>i dont like kvirc
03:40<shilow>and i dont liek xchat
03:40<shilow>windows are too bright and blind me
03:41<muep>shilow: colors can be adjusted with themes and settings
03:41<sep>shilow, xchat ->settings->preferences->interface->colors
03:41<shilow>only way i coudl adjust mien was my theme for my gnome
03:42<muep>shilow: most clients let you also select background and text color
03:42<shilow>i have that set its just the grey
03:42<muep>at least xchat did when I last used it
03:42<shilow>it's ugly
03:42<shilow>the gnome one works good but it seems so stripped
03:42<dli>shilow, pidgin
03:42<shilow>pidgin uses xchat
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03:43<muep>shilow: why not select some color instead of the gray?
03:43<shilow>i'll have to tweek settings so its not so annoying and get used to it
03:43<shilow>my theme is black on my desktop it didn't carry over
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03:43<shilow>i'm fiddling with it to see if i can dim it down
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03:44<long_>i think the color theme "tango" in gnome-terminal is most comfortble
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03:45<shilow>i made everything black once in xchat but i did it by modding the hell out of my desktop
03:45<shilow>but then i couldn't see anything in entry fields on web pages
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03:46<shilow>maybe i'll google xchat for some scripts
03:47<bzed>just use irssi :)
03:47<shilow>imma try it ..
03:47<Sescevok>irssi gets my vote
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03:48<shilow>anything is better than looking at xchat
03:48<shilow>the widgets are ugly
03:48<shilow>and its too bright
03:48<shilow>ohh nice
03:48<shilow>i tihnk i have a winner
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03:50<shilow>how do you list users
03:50<shilow>i need a howtoo brb
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03:55<t3r0r> Hello
03:55<t3r0r>I need help
03:55<t3r0r>My friend deleted /usr/lib/apache ....and now I have problems ...I can`t use apt-get command...
03:55<t3r0r>anyone ??????/
03:56<dli>t3r0r: what's wrong with apt-get?
03:57<t3r0r>I don`t know ... I can`t use it....
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03:58<svecias>How do you do?
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03:59<dli>t3r0r: you should ask for permission before private msg
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04:00<bzed>shilow: scripts are in /usr/share/irssi/scripts and a good documentation at
04:00<shilow>thats where i am at and i was waiting for updatedb to finish
04:00<bzed>shilow: or just google for irssi howtos, there're a lot of interesting ones around
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04:01<shilow>is there a key binded to list people int he room by default
04:01<|_Tr0mP4s>i installed debian testing 4.0 amd64 and i want the repos
04:02<dpkg>[debian mirrors] or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
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04:02<bzed>shilow: /names
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04:03<|_Tr0mP4s>thanx sep
04:03<bzed>shilow: if you run irssi in a screen you could also use the nicklist plugin, but that's unfortunately a bit annoying as you can copy several lines anymore, you always have the names on the right side
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04:04<shilow>i loaded nicklist but dont see anything
04:04<shilow>god i feel restarded
04:04<shilow>i hate change
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04:06<shilow>wtf japanese chars
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04:06<shilow>thats new
04:07<long>i just installed irssi,looks good
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04:09<shilow>i know i like it
04:09<shilow>still reading on the window management
04:09<shilow>wish i coudl double the side of the bottom bar
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04:10<shilow>hmm non verbose away system
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04:13<|_Tr0mP4s>sep i have amd64.. is there any problem?¿ i´m spanish.. sorry, mi english is very bad
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04:14<sep>|_Tr0mP4s, no problem
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04:15<sep>|_Tr0mP4s, ofcourse you can have problems with spesific software, but those repos should have all arches
04:17<|_Tr0mP4s>i need ndiswrapper for install mi wireless drivers.. are broadcom intel wireless dell 1390 .. you know any problem with ndiswrapper and debian testing amd64? i not found this packet
04:17<gsimmons>!tell |_Tr0mP4s -about ndiswrapper
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04:19<|_Tr0mP4s>only x86!
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04:22<|_Tr0mP4s>i have go out. Thanx every people!
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04:58<xayon>Hi, I'm on lenny having problems with ata disk at shutdown time. It says something about my ata disk and it says I must upgrade my shutdown version, next boot it says disk wasnt correctly unmounted
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05:02<JasonS>anyone have any concrete reasons as to why not having x on a server is a good thing? need to present a good case why i dont want to install it on a server at work
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05:07<Nemoder>only reason I can think of is the cpu/memory it takes up, although you could still keep it installed and just remove gdm so it doesn't load on startup
05:07<koollman>JasonS: useless running network services are potential security gap
05:08<JasonS>i like that one koollman, it will appeal to govt management types
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05:11<susanne-->trying to use an older ATI chip. don't need 3d or acceleration or anything. i'm getting "Failed to set up write-combining range" out of Xorg.0.log. What next?
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05:11<padski>susanne--: tried using vesa drivers ?
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05:46<zamolxes>hey. I changed the motherboard and eth0 became eth3. looking in /etc I found /udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules , can I just edit this?
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05:47<zamolxes>and whoever automatically changed that file doesn't mind my manual editting? Where do I read about this?
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05:49<gsimmons>!tell zamolxes -about z25
05:49<jm_>you can simply remove it and it will be created as eth0 on next start I believe
05:50<jm_>the same applies to cdrom devices too
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06:08<monra>Is there any way that i can now if someone with other account did ls in my home directory or so?
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06:08<monra>any ideas?
06:09<simonrvn>process accounting, but isn't that a little overkill?
06:09<monra>simonrvn, are you answereing to me?
06:09<simonrvn>if you're worried that someone might've run ls on your dir, you don't want to be administering a network ;)
06:09<monra>cause s, now and know don't owrk
06:10<monra>simonrvn, i had erxercises in my account let with rw-r--r-- and i want to be sure noone stole them
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06:11<simonrvn>the s,,, is sed. what's "erxercises"?
06:11<monra>simonrvn, i has some .odt files with the English I lesson
06:12<simonrvn>so chmod them
06:12<monra>i did now but
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06:12<monra>how will check if not readen. what do you mean with s?
06:12<simonrvn>man sed
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06:13<simonrvn>um, i'll be honest with you, i think that's a bit paranoid
06:14<witte>monra: ignore the sed thing, simonrvn just pointed you to a typo
06:14<monra>witte, hmm.. so what should i do?
06:14<witte>monra: if those things you had in your directory are for exams or something, make new ones
06:15<monra>witte, is there any way to check if someone show them? or visited my home directory?
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06:15<witte>monra: i do not know of any way to do so if you did not do anything beforehand
06:15<simonrvn>put them in a dir chmodded 700 then.
06:16[~]simonrvn sighs
06:16<monra>simonrvn, i already did
06:16<witte>simonrvn: I think monra knows, i think he just noticed that they weren't before...
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06:17<witte>monra: are you maintainer of the machine?
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06:17<witte>you could check bash_history of everyone but that would not be very ethical, and no assurance
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06:17<monra>witte ( could idea)
06:18<monra>ooops... impossible ... i'm not maintener of the machine
06:18<monra>so permission denied
06:18<simonrvn>i get that, but like i said, it doesn't sound like they were secret, more concern about privacy
06:19<simonrvn>barn. door. horse.
06:19<witte>monra: well, you shouldn't anyhow. Just be more carefull next time
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06:20<monra>witte, ok
06:20<witte>simonrvn: ?
06:20<simonrvn>closing the barn door when the horse already excaped
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06:20<witte>simonrvn: ah ok, i am not so familiar with all the english expressions :-)
06:21<mrkangaroo>hi Im getting this error when Im trying to start X as a user "Cannot open "/var/tmp/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description"
06:21<mrkangaroo>can anyone help thanks :)))))
06:22<simonrvn>check the /var/tmp perms
06:22<mrkangaroo>how cat
06:22<simonrvn>drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 44K 2007-11-20 01:07 /var/tmp/
06:22<witte>mrkangaroo: do ls -al /var/tmp/
06:22<simonrvn>ls -ld
06:23<witte>indeed, better
06:23<mrkangaroo>one sec
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06:23<mrkangaroo>drwxr-xr-t 3 root root 4096 Nov 23 21:24 /var/tmp
06:23<mrkangaroo>wrong perms
06:24<mrkangaroo>i suppose
06:24<simonrvn>well, that's why
06:24<mrkangaroo>chmod 755
06:24<simonrvn>no, 1777
06:24<mrkangaroo>one sec
06:25<mrkangaroo>ill try starx see how it goes
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06:26<mrkangaroo>that fixed that last error in the output but im getting another one ahead of it "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
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06:35<mrkangaroo>im using the glx module for X and it seems that after reconfiguring X it detected the right video card is there another module that may be appropriate that anyone here might know of the video card is nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] thnx
06:36<jm_>for nvidia cards you need nvidia's binary only driver to use glx
06:36<mrkangaroo>im using the nv driver
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06:37<mrkangaroo>and ive used it on ubuntu, kubuntu amongst others
06:37<jm_>that won't work, unless you'll use software renderer which is painfully slow
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06:38<dli>mrkangaroo: try nouveau, which should be faster than nv
06:38<mrkangaroo>ill bite the bullet and get the nvidia driver then I want to install compiz so it seems the go
06:38<mrkangaroo>nouveau is that installed be default
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06:45<mrkangaroo>what im trying to work out is why is kdm working and I can get to a login screen but I cant start x from the prompt giving me the error about not being DRI capable
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06:46<jm_>might depend on which window manager you're using
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06:47<dpkg>one warez list being sent to tamburello
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06:47<mrkangaroo>im using kdm
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06:49<jm_>that's a display manager
06:50<zamolxes>thanks jm_ , gsimmons
06:51<mrkangaroo> I just tried to download the nvidea driver from their website and it seems lynx is banned :((((
06:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
06:51<jm_>read that
06:52<Nemoder> works ok in lynx for me
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06:53<jm_>it does yes - they used javascript a few years ago, but then they changed it and added download links for text only browsers
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06:57<BR_>hey all, I am getting dog slow performance with libnss-ldap on etch, it seems to get a entire group list which is slow to do (lots of groups) instead of just asking which groups I am a member of (fast). Any ideas why this might be and how to fix?
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06:58<jm_>tried using nscd?
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06:58<BR_>yes, it doesn't help much
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07:00<BR_>its v251 on debian etch (slow), v257 on fedora 8 (fast), and I have tried backport v258 from lenny (slow). All querying the same ldap server...
07:01<jm_>maybe compare their configurations too
07:01<BR_>I have, most are comments, copying from f8 to etch doesn't help the situation....
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07:02<BR_>yup that it be...
07:03<BR_>both distribs apply some patches, but none seem to changing the effect of group lookups.
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07:04<jm_>I never used it but maybe looking at the queries they perform would reveal something - of course that would still leave you with why that is so
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07:05<BR_>I can see the problem with the queries... debian grabs a full groups list, fedora asks what groups I am part of.
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07:05<BR_>its the why I cannot see
07:05<jm_>and that's not specified in the config file then?
07:05<BR_>jm_: seems not...
07:05<jm_>BR_: maybe defaults are different?
07:06<BR_>jm_ that would have to be done via a patch (AFAIK) and there isn't one for that in either distrib's src packages...
07:08<BR_>debian does alter some timeout values, but thats not it.
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07:10<jm_>then I'm out of ideas
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07:11<jm_>how about PAM - is that involved too?
07:11<BR_>no, not with commands like 'id'
07:14<jm_>nothing similar in BTS that I can see
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07:16<jm_>well debugging source code shall reveal how it constructs the query
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07:21<dpkg>hmm... nvidea is that company that makes 'closed-source' drivers for their hardware?, or spelled wrong
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07:22<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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07:26<BR_>OK Thats it, going to cry.
07:27[~]witte gives BR_ a handkerchief
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07:31<mrkangaroo>theres no support for debian nvidia drivers in testing so im going to have to go the bunary route
07:32<jm_>you can use the version frm unstable
07:32<jm_>!simple sid backport
07:32<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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07:34<mrkangaroo>im doing this tomorroww its to late thnx for the help
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07:35<mrkangaroo>i know the debian install of nvidia is cleaner but i think im going to get the package
07:35<mrkangaroo>thnx anywat jm see ya
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07:35<dpkg>/quit you fool!
07:36<mrkangaroo>whered that come from lol
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08:02<christoph>huston! mein debian fährt nicht mehr runter :). Hallo ich habe den Bug, dass mein laptop bei nem shutdown nachdem er irgendwas vom dhcpclient schreibt ( nichts wichtiges.. nur sowas wie Internet system consortium .. please visit.. ) aufört mit dem prozess
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08:03<christoph>ne idee woran das liegen könne?
08:03<christoph>wrong lang.. sorry
08:04<christoph>my debian stops shutting down after writing something like: Internet System COnsortium.. please visit... etc .. any idea what may be a fix for this?
08:05<ifoxe>where do u write that?
08:05<christoph>hum? in #debian?
08:05<ifoxe>huh? u mean ur mirc client?
08:06<ifoxe>or shell?
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08:06<ifoxe>i dunno what can be , spamm?
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08:07<azeem>ifoxe: what are you talking about?
08:07<ifoxe>maybe u get kicked because its like spam or someting
08:07<ifoxe><christoph> my debian stops shutting down after writing something like: Internet
08:07<ifoxe> System COnsortium.. please visit... etc .. any idea what may be a fix
08:07<ifoxe> for this?
08:07<azeem>he didn't get kicked
08:08<christoph>0o... my system can'T shut down and this is the last thing he writes ..after that he does nothing... i thought this little shell -ad ;) is usefull to know to fix the problem
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08:10<christoph>any ideas?
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08:16<subha>hi all
08:16<Maulkin>christoph: sounds like bind...
08:18<subha>why during local-net-installation time during 'hw-detect' phase it failing to detect my HDD while during normal installation time from cd its going fine..??
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08:20<Maulkin>subha: try #debian-boot
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08:23<subha>is there anybody who got the same experience/
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08:30<ifoxe>r u trying to install it on a laptop ?
08:30<ifoxe>or dell maybe?
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08:37<subha>ifoxe:no desktop computer..i386 hardware
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08:38<subha>it's actually giving :kernel: ata_piix: Unknown symbol ata_scsi_ioctl
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08:38<subha>these messages..and many other unknown symbols
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08:39<subha>then it's coming with some list of kernel modules to load manually..but it fails every time
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08:55<jafd>Hello people, are there any semi-automated systems to build custom debian-based distributions which differ from mainline debian probably by some patches in some packages, defaults etc.?
08:56<jafd>(not to make another *buntu, but to rather make OEMs happy with customized Debians)
08:56<dpkg>rumour has it, pbuilder is a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian
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08:57<jafd>Hmmm... can it be tuned to make a full distro and wrap it up onto a nice ISO?
08:58<jm_>no there are other packages that do that
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08:59<jafd>heh, i was just wondering if it's simpler to actually reinvent that damn wheel than to gather all of that stuff together in hopes it will work someday.
08:59<jafd>Seems like wheels are the way to go?
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09:09<munga>jafd: have a look at dfsbuild
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09:16<supaman>hey, when creating a debian package what dh_ rules do I put in so it handles the postinst and postrm scripts?
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09:41<Stumped>just testing
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09:45<v4mpire>guys any chance of help on this
09:45<v4mpire>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.12.0, but GLIB (2.12.4)
09:45<v4mpire>*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
09:45<Stumped>I stumped. I have a Logitech MX3200 keyboard and MX610 mouse.
09:46<Stumped>However, I have several problems. Below is the snippet of the log:
09:46<Stumped>--- START LOG ---
09:46<petemc>dont paste here
09:46<Stumped>Generic Keyboard-usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input1: Core Keyboard
09:47<Stumped>then do want me to dcc the log file?
09:47<petemc>pastebin it
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09:54<Stumped>When pasting something via pastebin, is there a limit?
09:54<Stumped>Do I have to post the entire log file???
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09:54<petemc>you post whats relevant
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09:59<mrkangaroo>hi im having a problem getting X started can someone take a look at this pastebin thanks
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10:05<oxynet>anybody know where can i find mjpegtool, transcode and subtitleripper?
10:05<petemc>if i had to guess, id say debian-multimedia
10:05<mrkangaroo>aptitude search pattern
10:06<oxynet>petemc, do you have the address to the debian-multimidia to set on sources.list?
10:07<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
10:09<oxynet>!apt-key 1F41B907
10:09<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
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10:11<S3v3N>Hello. I have never got this problems before when compiling before, what could the problem be? Errors: !
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10:15<FuXor>Hi guys, any experience with ldap :D?
10:15<S3v3N>sry for wrong question
10:15<S3v3N>Hello. I have never got this problems before when compiling psybnc2.3.2-7 from, what could the problem be? Errors: !
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10:18<FuXor>#ldap (
10:18<FuXor>I'm setting up an openldap server (using VMware), to get the hang of ldap.
10:18<FuXor>I've already figured out how to compile / install both openldap 2.4.6 and berkeley db 4.6.21.
10:18<FuXor>A standard (no desktop) installation of debian etch however, already contains openldap (libldap2)! It seems
10:18<FuXor>that practically the whole system is dependant on libldap2. Removing it also removes apt, gnupg and various other (vital)
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10:24<mrkangaroo>can anyone help out
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10:29<mrkangaroo>hi im having a problem getting X started can someone take a look at this pastebin thanks
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10:34<budzio>hello can any one help me
10:35<petemc>if you have a debian related question, just ask it
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10:35<budzio>I have problem with downloading cd img
10:35<budzio>by torrent
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10:36<budzio>Iwant to download amd64 testing ans i have info
10:36<budzio>Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
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10:36<budzio>with dvd version thesame
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10:37<budzio>with etch there is no problem
10:38<budzio>so it is debian related question :)
10:38<budzio>anny help?
10:38<budzio>don't be shy
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10:40<musca>budzio: which torrent-client do you use?
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10:42<PriitM>Hi! is it possible to install and run i386 wine on x86_64 debian?
10:42<budzio>musca: utorrent
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10:44<musca>budzio: And wget is no Option for you?
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10:46<budzio>I use win xp so ther is no option :P but I have also downloaded 2times image by http and I have md5 errors
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10:50<musca>budzio: there is a wget.exe for windows, works quite good.
10:50<budzio>can it resume after computer reboot
10:51<musca>budzio: start with "wget -d url", resume with "wget -c -d url"
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10:53<hw_>mpg123 still the best audio player for shell?
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10:53<sandpit>how do i install flash player for firefox (aka iceweasel) on amd64? i install the tar.gz file from but it says x86_64 isn't supported!
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10:54<panagos>how do i install flash player for firefox (aka iceweasel) on amd64? i install the tar.gz file from but it says x86_64 isn't supported!
10:55<cahoot>hw_: mplayer is a competent alternative
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10:55<luciana>there's someone?
10:55<Cammarro>just some 300 ones... :)
10:55<luciana>I have a problem with a preseed file
10:56<luciana>On Ubuntu server nobody answer
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10:57<luciana>i'm creating a customized distro of ubuntu
10:57<hw_>cahoot: hm
10:57<cahoot>hw_: but 'best' is rather subjective
10:58<luciana>and i have to launch a during the installation
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10:58<luciana>now, i have added in my preseed file this line: d-i preseed/late_command string /cdrom/
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10:59<panagos>how do i install flash player for firefox (aka iceweasel) on amd64? i download and try to run the tar.gz file from but it says x86_64 isn't supported!
10:59<luciana>but it doesn't work. I don't want to modify the rc.local
10:59<luciana>how can I solve this problem?
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11:00<musca>panagos: gnash is an alternative, but gives me only poor results
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11:01<luciana>i'm trying to do d-i preseed/late_command string cp /cdrom/ /target/root; /target/root/
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11:02<luciana>but I'm searching a solution in which I don't have to copy any file in any directory
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11:03<luciana>even beacuse that doesn't work
11:03<mildner>how can I make the system read fstab without booting?
11:04<luciana>(I see an exit code error 127)
11:04<mildner>I am working on fstab and changed it, thats why I like the system read it again without I restard the system
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11:09<hw_>cahoot: hm, I prefer ncurses based player
11:11<err404>mildner: you can umount all and after you can try: mount -a
11:11<cahoot>hw_: jack? mpg321?
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11:12<cahoot>err404: I doubg one can umount all partitions
11:13<hw_>cahoot: mpg321 yes, but I want try another
11:13<err404>ofcourse some patition cannot be unmounted because used
11:13<cahoot>mount -o remount possibly
11:14<cahoot>hw_: well you started out for an alternative to mpg123?
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11:17<panagos>cahoot: i followed your url, and it works! thanks a lot
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11:18<panagos>now i need to set up my sound system...
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11:19<hw_>cahoot: yes, the most simple player possible hehe
11:19<err404>panagos, you can try alsaconf
11:20<cahoot>don't use alsaconf
11:20<Villarroel>It's MonoDevelop on Debian?
11:20<panagos>i tried to follow dpkg's alsa-checklist, but it failed :(
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11:21<panagos>alsaconf didn't get the approp. drivers
11:21<cahoot>panagos: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invike-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 *should* be enough
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11:22<Stucko>I have a strange problem with Xorg and my keyboard
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11:22<cahoot>Stucko: the /topic?
11:22<Stucko>I xorg config problems
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11:28<Stucko>Notice how it incorrectly detects my mouse as having 8 buttons instead of 10?
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11:28<Silenus>Stucko: can you reference the mouse problem? What kind of mouse do you have.
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11:29<Stucko>An MX610
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11:30<Stucko>From the log:
11:30<Stucko>Found 8 mouse buttons
11:30<Stucko>Checking button DIGI_STYLUS (330)
11:30<Stucko>Checking bit 330
11:30<Stucko>AbsoluteTouch: 'DIGI_Touch' does not exist.
11:30<Stucko>Configuring in Absolute mode.
11:30<Stucko>Configuring 5 relative axes.
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11:31<Silenus>Well which buttons are giving you the problem?
11:31<Silenus>from what I read
11:31<enouf>a two handed rodent?
11:31<Silenus>there are a forward and backward browsing buttons
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11:31<Stucko>plus zoom +/- and search
11:32<Silenus>It's ubuntu but see if it helps any
11:32<Stucko>8 buttons and then 12?
11:32<enouf>i'm tellin ya, we should all be using accordians
11:32<Stucko>then it goes on:
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11:32<Stucko>Generic Keyboard-isa0061/input0: Core Keyboard
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11:32<Stucko>Generic Keyboard-isa0061/input0: Don't know how to use device.
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11:33<george_>I see
11:33<Stucko>But I don't have a PS2 keyboard mouse connected, mutch less them enabled in the bios, yet it still does direct probing...
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11:36<Stucko>and then it unloads evdev...
11:36<Silenus>It sounds like it's a driver problem to me.
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11:37<panagos>cahoot: well, it's not enough for me!
11:38<panagos>Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded).
11:38<panagos>invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa-utils, action "reset" failed.
11:38<panagos>^^ "invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0" output
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11:38<cahoot>panagos: ok - what kind of card is it?
11:39<panagos>on-board sound controller
11:39<Stucko>It sess the logitech keyboard twice, even thouygh the logitech hack is enabled
11:39<cahoot>panagos: make/model? lspci -v
11:39<Stucko>evdev brain: Rescanning devices (2)
11:40<Stucko>(EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Configured Mouse"
11:40<Stucko>(EE) No Input driver matching `mouse'
11:40<Stucko>(WW) No core pointer registered
11:40<Stucko>(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard-PNP0C0C/button/input0" (type: KEYBOARD)
11:40<Stucko>(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard-button_power/button/input0" (type: KEYBOARD)
11:40<Stucko>(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard-usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input1" (type: KEYBOARD)
11:40<Stucko>(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard-usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input0" (type: KEYBOARD)
11:40<panagos>cahoot: i'm terribly sorry, but i have to leave now... :( thanks for your help, though :D
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11:42<mildner>I try to mount my HD, but I can't write on it
11:42<Stucko>XINPUT: Adding extended input device "evdev brain" (type: evdev brain)
11:42<Stucko>evdev brain: Rescanning devices (3).
11:42<fanto666>hello, the command 'apt-get source ...' produces output "gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory". What am I missing?
11:42<fanto666>(except the clue)
11:42<Stucko>No core pointer
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11:43<v4mpire>guys any chance of help on this
11:43<v4mpire>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.12.0, but GLIB (2.12.4)
11:43<v4mpire>*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
11:44<mildner>is there german help available
11:44<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:45<fanto666>stucko, you probably should ass 'Option "SendCoreEvents" to "InputDevice" section for the "evdev brain"
11:45<Stucko>for both keyboard and mouse?
11:45<fanto666>stucko do you only two devices configured?
11:46<Stucko>Yes, using one of those RF logitech dongles...
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11:47<fanto666>no mouse?
11:47<mildner>any help on mounting a HD?
11:47<fanto666>mildner isn't is set read-only by hw?
11:48<fanto666>mildner hdparm -r <device>
11:49<cahoot>mount -o remount possibly mildner
11:49<Stucko>same error
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11:49<mildner>fanto666 I used to write on it, only after I reinstalled lenny I cant write on it
11:50<mildner>I wrote the following line in fstab:---->/dev/sda1 /home/mildner/HD500 ext3 user 1 2
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11:51<cahoot>mildner:try mount -o remount,rw /home/mildner/HD500
11:51<Stucko>Its always thinks I'm referring to a ps/2 keyboard....
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11:52<fanto666>hello, the command 'apt-get source ...' produces output "gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory". What am I missing?
11:52<mildner>cahoot you mean to write it into fstab?
11:52<cahoot>no as command
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11:53<fanto666>mildner you can write 'rw,user' into fstab instead just 'user'
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11:53<fanto666>but when you have it mountes, just run the mount/remount command
11:54<mildner>fanto666 do you know how to make the system read fstab, without rebooting?
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11:55<anssik>Anyone here?
11:56<fanto666>mildner: system does not read it. the mount command does. and running the command cahoot advised thould do it
11:56<simonrvn>nope, just us lurkers
11:56<fanto666>if you change fstab, next time it will be mounted rw (hopefully)
11:56<anssik>Why this code gives me a segmentation fault:
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11:57<fanto666>anssik seems to me that you only should pass argv[1] and argv[2] to fopen
11:58<Miss_Stoned>Hoi iederen
11:58<Miss_Stoned>hello,. every one
11:58<anssik>fanto, I do
11:58<anssik>./decoder /tmp/file1 /tmp/file2
11:58<anssik>but segmentation fault :F
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12:00<fanto666>anssik: no, you pass &argv[1] and &argv[2]
12:00<fanto666>try removing those &'s
12:00<anssik>I'll try. Thanks very much
12:01<fanto666>are signing keys for lenny/sid different from etch?
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12:01<Miss_Stoned>i have a problem, with my compiz, it frees en i have a burning mouse point
12:01<Miss_Stoned>en my engles sucks
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12:02<anssik>fanto666, no , I still get Segmentation fault =(
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12:03<anssik>and now theres an error on compile: decoder.c:7: warning: passing argument 1 of 'fopen' makes pointer from integer without a cast
12:03<mildner>it still doesnt work :(
12:04<cahoot>mildner: you could put the output of 'mount' to a pastebin
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12:05<fanto666>anssik: oh, it has to be "char ** argv" or "char *argv[]"
12:06<anssik>okay , I'll try now remove the &'s and use *argv[]
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12:09<fanto666>Q - when I run 'apt-get source ...' produces output "gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory". What am I missing? do I need keys for lenny/sid ?
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12:10<Myon>you need HOME set
12:10<mildner>cahoot please send me the pastebin Link
12:11<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
12:11<musca>cahoot: th workaround for flash on amd64 works for me, thx
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12:11<anssik>fanto666, Thank you. changing *argv to *argv[] fixed the issue =)
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12:12<fanto666>Myon, I do... (I'm trying to build lenny/sid sources on etch)
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12:13<fanto666>mildner not the 'mount' but the 'mount -o ...'
12:13<cahoot>mildner: sure looks to me sda1 shoud be rw now
12:13<fanto666>maybe 'dmesg | tail'
12:14<mildner>only as root
12:14<fanto666>mildner you can write as root?
12:14<cahoot>mildner: well that's different from 'not working'
12:15<mildner>I know but I found it out right now
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12:16<fanto666>mildner it's just access rights. do chown to yourself or chmod +w
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12:17<mildner>fanto666 but I like to resolve it in fstab, can I?
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12:17<fanto666>mildner: no, it's ext3
12:17<fanto666>however, since it's ext3, the changes will be permanent
12:17<fanto666>is it external HDD?
12:18<fanto666>you should have the same uid/dig on all systems you use it on
12:18<mildner>here ist the mount -o output:
12:18<mildner>no internal
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12:19<fanto666>mildner in such case, why do you have the 'user' option in fstab? just make it 'defaults'
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12:20<cahoot>and as a sidenote you probably want noatime also
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12:21<mildner>fanto666 I will change it....I was wondering about the place where I mount it (HD500) because it's on home and my area if I add a user can they acces even its under home/mildner ?
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12:23<fanto666>mildner: no, if you don't allow them to access it. just learn chown/chgrp/chmod and un*x access rights system
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12:25<adii>i'm looking for a good mail server
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12:26<fanto666>adii what do you mean 'good mail server'?
12:27<adii>something reliable first
12:27<adii>and then something I won't have to dig the whole net to understand how it works
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12:27<mildner>fanto666 when I replace user with defaults do I have to write 'rw,defaults'
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12:28<fanto666>mildner: no, the 'rw' is default, so simply 'defaults' should be enough
12:28<fanto666>adii gmail is quite good and reliable
12:29<adii>i mean
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12:29<adii>i'm looking for a server (=
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12:29<adii>to install :p
12:29[~]adii looks stupid now :p
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12:30<v4mpire>right guys i often get trouble with my servers ftp server... i normally have someelse that does it but aint heard from them in a while...
12:30<fanto666>adii "tasksel mail-server" should install everything needed
12:30<adii>okay :)
12:30<adii>i'll try
12:30<fanto666>adii at least you understsand my question
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12:30<fanto666>"mail server" involves many things
12:30<v4mpire>basically its disconnecting ppl when they connect or when they try access a folder or download or upload something
12:31<v4mpire>its worse that other times here in there... but everytime it needs to be fixed...
12:31<v4mpire>its proftpd any idea ?
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12:37<mildner>fano666 defaults was not enough
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12:41<adii>my manual pages are displayed with "more"
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12:42<adii>maybe there's something to install to be able to scroll up & down ?
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12:45<fanto666>space scrolls one page, enter one line
12:46<fanto666>'b' one page up
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12:47<witte>adii: I think you can change it, check "man man"
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12:47<witte>adii: btw: arrow up and arrow down work on my system
12:48<witte>adii: maybe you need less
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12:48<witte>adii: apt-get install less; update-alternatives --config pager
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12:49<adii>worked fine (=
12:49<witte>great :-)
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12:51<grasn>where i can get windows media codec for etch?
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12:51<witte>!tell grasn about dmm
12:52<jusae>anyone know of a bash script to check the file permissions, recursily
12:52<witte>jusae: what do you want to achieve?
12:53<grasn>witte, can i apt-get?
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12:53<jusae>i wanna just read the permissions in a script and then play with it alittle
12:53<witte>grasn: yes, but you need to add the correct line to your sources.list
12:54<witte>jusae: in a script you can do whatever you can do in command line
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12:54<witte>jusae: I really do not know what you mean, but that could be me, I a'm a bit tired ;-)
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12:56<fxiny>i ain't got any superpowers today so i can't help
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12:58<N`Kr1pt>hmz, my left and right arrow keys behave like hom and end
12:58<N`Kr1pt>any idea how this can be fixed?
12:58<mildner>I try to mount my internal HD, but I can't make the rw rights
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13:00<fxiny>a dos "pathetic" vfat ?
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13:01<fxiny>mildner: ^^^
13:02<mildner>Fxiny this is the line in fstab: /dev/sda1 /home/mildner/HD500 ext3 rw,defaults 1 2
13:02<N`Kr1pt>never mind, xmodmap does the trick :)
13:02<grasn>witte, i added the source to sources.list, what is the command to install dmm?
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13:02<witte>grasn: you do not need to install dmm, dmm is the dpkg shortcut for debian multimedia
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13:03<witte>you probably want apt-get update;apt-get install w32codecs
13:03<grasn>but how i apt-get install the stuff?
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13:03<witte>!tell grasn about w32codecs
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13:04<fxiny>mildner: i see no space
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13:05<grasn>witte, thx
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13:05<mildner>every column with tab
13:05<fxiny>ok is my mrxvt then
13:06<mildner>fxiny I only can write as root
13:06<fxiny>why ext2 and not auto ?
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13:06<witte>mildner: can't you chown the disk
13:07<witte>chown -R mildner:mildner /home/mildner/HD500
13:07<fxiny>mildner: ops : i'm sleeping >> ext3 defaults 0 2
13:08<fxiny>yahhh give the correct permission to the dir
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13:10<mildner>fxiny do you know how to make the comp read fstab again without rebooting
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13:11<fxiny>mildner: try to remember
13:11<jusae>is there a command that returns the permissions of a file in its numeric form?
13:11<mildner>what do you mean by try to remember?
13:12<fanto666>mildner I said it
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13:12<fanto666>only the 'mount' command reads fstab whenever you call it
13:12<fxiny>it was fstab-sync
13:12<fxiny>but cannot focus on it
13:12<fanto666>fstab-sync? where
13:13<fanto666>mildner however it you changed something in fstab, you must usually manually mount+unmount or remount the FS
13:14<oxynet>how mount and usb hard drive????
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13:17<cahoot>oxynet: vfat?
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13:18<cahoot>oxynet: what filesystem is it on the device?
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13:21<oxynet>cahoot, yes
13:21<N`Kr1pt>Hi, I'm trying to install xserver-xorg-video-intel, but apt throws the following error:
13:21<N`Kr1pt>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:21<N`Kr1pt> xserver-xorg-video-intel: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2: is to be installed
13:21<N`Kr1pt>E: Broken packages
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13:22<oxynet>cahoot, i don´t know what /dev/??? is
13:22<NKr1pt>I'm using sid and says that 2.1.4 is in the sid repositories
13:22<NKr1pt>what do I have to do?
13:23<chealer>NKr1pt: sid is your default release?
13:23<NKr1pt>chealer, yes
13:23<cahoot>oxynet: dmesg possibly tells
13:24<chealer>NKr1pt: if you need help with basic APT usage, it's probably best to reinstall another release, either testing or stable.
13:25<fxiny>oxynet: usually is sda1 . sometimes (iomega) sda4
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13:26<grasn>wich programm i can use to handle RAR archives?
13:26<oxynet>cahoot: appear many lines equal, like
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13:26<oxynet>khubd timed out on ep0in len=18/64
13:26<oxynet>khubd timed out on ep0out len=0/0
13:26<oxynet>device not accpeting address 2, error -110
13:27<cahoot>does not look good
13:27<oxynet>the last one is bus auto-suspend
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13:29<oxynet>cahoot, i think that i forgot to enable on the kernel compilation
13:29<hazard3>what is the 'ssh' group for?
13:30<hazard3>no, wait, maybe I'm insane, and was looking at the userlist
13:30<hazard3>ah, nope, there it is
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13:30<hazard3>GID 102
13:30<chealer>grasn: ark, if you have a .rar unarchiver installed.
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13:31<grasn>it says cant open
13:31<chealer>grasn: I'd even say an unarchiver for the .rar format version which the file uses
13:31<grasn>i apt-get install unrar
13:31<hazard3>the sshd user has uid 103, so they aren't related that way I think
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13:32<faheem>Hi. Most of /dev seems to have mysteriously disappeared from one of my machines. It has been replaced by initctl null pts shm .static
13:32<faheem>This machine runs etch. Seems to have happened overnight. There is some else who admins it, and he may have screwed something up. Any ideas?
13:33<faheem>A normal /dev directory doesn't seem to have a .static directory.
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13:33<faheem>Is this possibly something a reboot would fix?
13:34<bzed>is udev runnign?
13:34<grasn>i installed rar not it works
13:35<faheem>bzed: Probably. How would I check for this?
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13:36<faheem>Yes. udevd --daemon
13:38<bzed>ps -Af | grep udev for example
13:39<faheem>bzed: Yes, it is running. Any idea what is going on?
13:39<faheem>Possibly just needs a reboot?
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13:42<bzed>could be
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13:42<bzed>faheem: there should eb at least your disk drive devices in /dev
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13:43<Convirion>i've installed the basic system with dns (etch, 4.0)
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13:43<rootest>hi all
13:44<Convirion>and i want to add a url like is http://intranet
13:44<Convirion>how and where do i add it?
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13:45<rootest>Who are make a images for assemble with jigdo?
13:45<Convirion>i know its in /etc/bind
13:45<rootest>*an images
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13:46<rootest>Convirion, may be /etc/hosts ?
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13:48<rootest>Peoples, help
13:48<rootest>Who are make a images for assemble with jigdo
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13:50<Convirion>@rootest, do you know if i have to reboot my pc/server to make it work?
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13:52<rootest>Convirion, file /etc/hosts don't change by dhcp-client or other process, it's a small local DNS-server
13:52<Convirion>i dont want that
13:53<Convirion>i've want it to work as a DNS server not local
13:53<Convirion>thats why i installed bind
13:53<faheem>Is /dev dynamically created by udev?
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13:54<rootest>sorry, my server is off, and I can't see in it, but I'll now see my book...
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13:54<Convirion>"Is /dev dynamically created by udev?" how do i check?
13:54<rootest>file called is a named.conf - find it and change
13:54<george> /etc/hosts is not a dns server, it's merely a textual database relating name to ip
13:55<Convirion>named . conf i checked it out
13:55<Convirion>but i don't know hot to enter a new entrie
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13:59<faheem>Convirion: That question wasn't addressed to you.
13:59<Convirion>Oh ok
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14:00<Convirion>Does anybody know how to add a new entrie in named.conf for DNS?
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14:01<george>anyone who reads the docs on doing so will learn how
14:02<george>faheem: and nor was it addressed to anyone :)
14:03<george>Convirion: try: man 5 named.conf
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14:05<faheem>george: Sorry, flustered...
14:06<george>but I'll have to say that if your understanding of dns servers in general and bind in particular is weak or nonexistant (ever read "DNS and BIND" publ by O'Reilly?), you're entering a complex world, and if I'm understanding what you want to do correctly, accomplishing it will require you to understand and edit more than just that one file
14:07<george>sorry, that was to Convirion
14:08<Convirion>i want to do some like that i want to do some networking around my house and try many things out
14:09<Convirion>so you got any tutorials or anything where i can learn it from or what?
14:09<george>what are you concentrating on right now
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14:10<Convirion>The DNS, I have set up a server (intranet) so i want to add a DNS server that grabs the info from the server
14:11<george>ok, what specifically do you want the dns for?
14:11<Convirion>I want this because i then don't have to alter each hosts file
14:11<george>ok, so you want one database for all names
14:12<Convirion>like that, but, if the name doesn't exist in the database, it must just check out in the root-servers (like the normal dns servers)
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14:12<george>so you need a domain
14:12<george>this is only for your internal network?
14:12<Convirion>it is only for internal
14:13<george>ok, then you can make up a name
14:13<george>howbout conviron.internal
14:13<Convirion>i've one already, its called jeroen.intranet (jeroen is my name ;))
14:14<Convirion>but that domain i have to enter in each pc when i install it right?
14:14<Convirion>or is it only for the dns server?
14:14<george>dhcp could supply domain name
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14:14<Convirion>one sec then, ill change it in my router config
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14:15<george>also your dhcp config should supply dns server address
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14:16<Convirion>i've now only one dns server (that is the local one here) so if that one is down, you can't get on the internet without knowing the ip address
14:17<george>so dhcp should supply the ip address of the machine where the dns is running (internal ip address, so that other machines on your internal net can access it)
14:17<mildner>I am again trying to make my HD accesible pleaaassse :-(
14:17<fanto666>how do I install compiz sources from lenny, when I have sources for etch+lenny+sid in sources.list ?
14:17<m0RrE>what's wrong mildner ?
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14:17<george>if you're short, put the hd on a lower shelf
14:17<fanto666>apt-get source compiz/lenny nor compiz/testing doesn't work :(
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14:18<mildner>m0Re the fstab line ---> /dev/sda1 /home/mildner/HD500 ext3 defaults 0 2
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14:18<mildner>I only can write as root
14:18<fanto666>mildner did you chown -R /home/mildner/HD500 to you?
14:18<ConvirionNL>Sorry about this reconnect, needed to reset my router
14:19<m0RrE>no he didn't ;)
14:19<george>also your dhcp config should supply dns server address
14:19<george>so dhcp should supply the ip address of the machine where the dns is running (internal ip address, so that other machines on your internal net can access it)
14:19<mildner>fanto666 ---> chown -R /home/mildner/HD500 in console?
14:19<m0RrE>sudo chown -R <username> /home/mildner/HD500
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14:20<george>not -R
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14:20<m0RrE>why not?
14:20<fanto666>if he wants to access whole disk, -R
14:20<george>unless you want ALL files in there (not just the dir) owned by that user
14:20<sas67>hi all
14:20<george>are there any files on that disk now?
14:20<m0RrE>why wouldn't he want that? :P
14:20<ConvirionNL>george: i've that now, but i can't set it in my dhcp server, it's just my router. I know have everything set on the router side right?
14:20<george>or is it empty?
14:21<george>nono, no dcc chat
14:21<sas67>ive just dowmloaded 3 dvd iso's from debian site to my server
14:21<fanto666>how do I select which version of source package to download? apt-get source <package>/<release>?
14:21<sas67>they say they are 4gb in size,each
14:22<mildner>m0Re now I can write on it, but what if I reboot?
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14:22<george>sas67: smallest dvd is 5.something g, so there's enough room
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14:22<sas67>but ive just downloaded from server to home pc and it says iso's are only 350mb
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14:23<sas67>they were all downloaded and seeded back
14:23<m0RrE>mildner: it won't change.. it will work from now on
14:23<george>sas67: so download didn't complete?
14:23<sas67>yes it did
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14:24<george>mildner: be VERY careful with chown
14:24<george>be VERY careful with any -R
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14:24<george>he's given you something you should read up on before you use it again
14:26<george>it's also the kind of thing where when you type in a command, you should read it several times and make sure it's right before hitting enter
14:26<sas67>4.39 GB
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14:26<sas67>oops sorry
14:27<sas67>just put torrent back in server and it showing as d/ld 4.39GB
14:28<sas67>i goto iso in directory and d/l to home and its says image file at 386,806 kB
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14:30<sas67>we'll see when i install on virtual machine if it works
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14:35<keitherz>is there anyone here that can help me
14:35<george>sas67: you should find out why
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14:35<george>keitherz: have you herd the werd of god today?
14:35<george>did that help?
14:35<keitherz>i have a locale problem
14:36<keitherz>it seems like it cant find my locale
14:36<keitherz>the .UTF-8 file
14:36<keitherz>then when i type the locale command
14:36<george>keitherz: I'm not going to pull for every aspect... also I need coffee, so I'm getting it... so: please type into your irc client these:
14:36<george> /msg dpkg enter
14:36<george> /msg dpkg ask
14:38<jusae> parse'in a variable in bash, is it possible, like "test1 test2 test3", where test1 is $0, kinda of thing
14:38<sas67>never used linux b4,want to try and learn
14:38<keitherz>ok so thats my problem it cant find my area's .UTF-8 file
14:38<george>there's also an article on smart questions on the web (ok, so the article is somewhat misnamed, but it's good, it will help you and it will help whoever would help you)
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14:38<cahoot>keitherz: try dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:38<keitherz>oh with s
14:38<george>sas67: one thing you could try if you want to... is download the netinstall cd image
14:39<keitherz>i only tried without s
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14:42<george>sas67: the thing is debian is divided into packages, there are the base packages which is the minimum you need to run. these are on the netinstall, along with the installer
14:42<sas67>i got 3 dvd iso's
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14:42<george>after that you install any other package using apt-get which downloads and installs the thing you want
14:43<george>sas67: I understand that... I'm giving you an alternative should you want to use it
14:43<IrIT>I just installed sun-java6-jre and now i want to enable it in Iceweasel. I've read that one should make a symlink. But exactly one symlink should i create?
14:43<sas67>kk than goerge
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14:44<george>sas67: for example, if you don't get past the problem of downloading from your server, you still have a way to do it
14:44<sas67>nice one,cheers
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14:45<george>IrIT: I thought the debian package makes that symlink for you
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14:46<george>IrIT: try closing all your browsers, opening one, and put about:plugins in the address bar
14:46<chealer>IrIT: you shouldn't need to create a symlink
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14:46<george>chealer: would he instead install a separate plugin package?
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14:46<george>or is the plugin inside the jre?
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14:47<chealer>george: probably. the jre doesn't contain it, no.
14:47<chealer>fanto666: try package/version. or try -t release
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14:48<george>ok, so either there isn't a plugin needed and the jre is all he needs, or the plugin is in the iceweasel package, or the plugin is in an optional separate package
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14:48<george>if the third case, he needs the package name
14:50<IrIT>Well, after installing jre (and after a firefox restart) java still isn't wokring in Iceweasel.
14:50<george>IrIT: and about:plugins says nothign about java?
14:51<george>ok, so it must be a separate package
14:51<IrIT>Doesn't any of you use Java in Iceweasel?
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14:53<george>I happen to have it working... but I don't remember the package name that I must have installed last year or something
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14:54<george>try this... go to the settings panel and see if you can enable/disable java by clicking a checkbox
14:54<chealer>IrIT: some of us do, yeah...
14:54<IrIT>Okay. Or maybe there just isn't package. And you have to create the symlink manually
14:54<IrIT>chealer, remeber how you installed it?
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14:55<george>IrIT: sure, that's possible
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14:55<george>so have you tried looking at the configure option yet?
14:56<IrIT>Yes, java is enbaled.
14:56<IrIT>I'll try make a symlink to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
14:56<george>and it's not working?
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14:56<CPrompt^>Greetings. To install KDE on Debian would I just need to run : apt-get install kdm kde-core ? Is that it?
14:56<george>so the plugin IS in the jre
14:56<chealer>!tell CPrompt^ about install kde
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14:57<IrIT>george, yeah looks that way. Only think missing is the symlink. I'll try to create it now
14:57<george>IrIT: was it already enabled when you looked? or did you just now enable it?
14:57<chealer>dpkg: firefox java
14:57<dpkg>To have Firefox run Java, first install Java (ask me about install java). If Java is installed by java-package, Firefox will already be able to run Java. Otherwise, make sure that there's a symlink pointing to a JRE or JDK's The symlink should be in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ (all users), or in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/ (user by user)
14:57<IrIT>already enbled.
14:58<CPrompt^>chealer : thanks!!
14:58<george>chealer: any idea whether that checkbox would be present if jre is not installed?
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14:59<chealer>george: I'd say it would be.
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14:59<IrIT>If i go to it tells me that a plugin is needed.
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15:00<george>does about:plugins say otherwise?
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15:00<IrIT>java isn't mentioned in about:plugins
15:01<george>ok kill off browser and restart
15:01<grasn>what is a nice bittorent client with cool interface?
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15:01<george>grasnL it is a thing of beauty therefore it is a joy forever
15:01<ori>hi to all
15:01<ori>can so help me with samba on debian
15:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:02<ori>i want that all the user files get a specific user and group nomatter who put them on my shares
15:02<ori>sth like suid
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15:03<chealer>dpkg: java plugin is <reply>To install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582
15:03<dpkg>chealer: okay
15:03<ori>in samba docs it said that i have to use force mask
15:03<ori>but nothing happends
15:03<george>did you restart samba after changing that
15:03<IrIT>Hmn, made the symlink manual, and now iceweasel crash when trying to load a java applet.
15:03<chealer>dpkg: no, firefox java is <reply>see java plugin
15:03<dpkg>okay, chealer
15:03<ori>over and over
15:04<george>IrIT, so you installed java from apt-get... right?
15:04<ori>and still nothing
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15:05<IrIT>ah, finally! Think it's working now. Made a symlink from /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- to the plugins directory in iceweasel :)
15:05<IrIT>Thanks for your help!
15:06<george>you did most of the work
15:06<IrIT>Well, still nice with some feedback
15:07<ori>can so help me with samba and permissions ?
15:07<sas67>bugger,fell at first hurdle
15:07[~]george looks for a hurdle and a fallen bugger
15:08<sas67>all gone pear shaped already
15:08<sas67>god im a dumb noob
15:08<george>you just havent' seen things yet
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15:08<sas67>i started vm
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15:09<sas67>and pointed cd drive at dvd1 iso
15:09<george>people like that bald guy
15:09<jusae>parse'in a variable in bash, is it possible, like "test1 test2 test3", where test1 is $0, kinda of thing
15:09<jusae>without awk'in it?
15:09<ori>samba please sos , here , loosing job soon
15:09<jusae>:) @ ori
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15:10<ori>can u tell me how to set the permissions right
15:10<sas67>it started then says unable to copy file from cddrive
15:10<ori>i mean evert file that my users create or copy over the share get the same permission and the same user:group ?
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15:10<jusae> has great examples
15:10<IrIT>Almost forgot how annoying the default nautilus is
15:10<ori>iv tried
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15:11<jusae>-f appears lot
15:11<CPrompt^>I've read the Wiki entry on installing KDE, however, kdebase does not show up. What repos do I need activated to install kdebase
15:11<jusae>thats file reference
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15:12<sas67>ill leave alone till ive more time
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15:12<sas67>also read up lots
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15:13<grasn>how i set xmms as my default mp3 player
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15:16<jusae>got it
15:16<jusae>smilin 4 a change
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15:19<CPrompt^>anyone know what repos I need activated to install KDE?
15:21<chealer>CPrompt^: huh. you do have a Debian mirror in your sources, right?
15:21<CPrompt^>chealer : yes.
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15:21<CPrompt^>chealer : when I try to install, i get E:Broken packages.
15:22<chealer>CPrompt^: which Debian suite do you use?
15:22<grasn>how i make xmms my default mp3 player?
15:22<CPrompt^>chealer : just installed etch via net install
15:22<chealer>grasn: if you use KDE, ask #debian-kde
15:22<CPrompt^>I just did the Desktop install.
15:22<chealer>!tell CPrompt^ about bat
15:23<Vanye>CPrompt^: You should just be able to run 'tasksel' and select X complete from the menu.
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15:26<CPrompt^>chealer :
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15:27<marc-etienne><CPrompt^> chealer :
15:27<marc-etienne><CPrompt^> chealer :
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15:28<mildner>any help to connect a private net?
15:28<chealer>CPrompt^: OK, but also paste "The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run"
15:28<mildner>private net with a windows computer
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15:29<CPrompt^>chealer : E: Invaluid operation
15:29<CPrompt^>chealer : I swear, I'm not a Linux n00b LOL
15:29<chealer>CPrompt^: what?
15:29<chealer>CPrompt^: what's the invalid operation?
15:29<CPrompt^>chealer : is that a command to do via the terminal?
15:30<chealer>CPrompt^: ah, apt-get/aptitude/dselect run isn't, no. what's your favorite package manager?
15:30<CPrompt^>chealer : oh...apt-get
15:31<chealer>CPrompt^: provide the complete output of # apt-get install kdebase
15:32<CPrompt^>chealer :
15:32<chealer>CPrompt^: what happens when you try installing kdebase-kio-plugins?
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15:33<CPrompt^>chealer : samething. Broken packages
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15:33<chealer>CPrompt^: please provide the complete output of the apt-get run.
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15:34<CPrompt^>chealer :
15:35<CPrompt^>chealer : libopenexr2c2a installed
15:35<chealer>CPrompt^: what do you mean, you just succeeded to install it, or it was already installed?
15:36<CPrompt^>chealer : i just succeeded to install it.
15:36<CPrompt^>chealer : libopenexr2c2a that is
15:36<chealer>CPrompt^: what happens if you retry installing kdebase-kio-plugins?
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15:37<CPrompt^>chealer :
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15:38<chealer>CPrompt^: hum...what happens if you try installing kdelibs4c2a?
15:38<CPrompt^>chealer :
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15:39<chealer>CPrompt^: did you install any software not from Debian 4.0?
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15:40<CPrompt^>chealer : no. I just installed Debian about 2 hours ago from net install.
15:41<chealer>CPrompt^: huh. did you manually edit your sources.list?
15:42<CPrompt^>chealer : yes. I did. But I went back and took out the unsupported repos
15:42<chealer>CPrompt^: why did you do that?
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15:42<CPrompt^>chealer : from what I was told earlier, I needed to activate the "Unsopported" repos. But when I did this, apt-get broke. Unchecking it, got it back
15:43<chealer>CPrompt^: um, you were told to do that in #debian, or what?
15:44<CPrompt^>chealer : no. from someone else that I thought was trustworthy.
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15:44<Nemoder>CPrompt^: what does your sources.list look like?
15:44<chealer>CPrompt^: did that person explain why? and which "unsopported" repos were these?
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15:45<chealer>Nemoder: he already showed an apt-cache policy output at
15:45<CPrompt^>chealer : was a suggestion to get kde installed.
15:45<CPrompt^>chealer : sources.lst :
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15:46<chealer>Nemoder: ah, good idea, it shows the comments too
15:47<Nemoder>etch AND sarge? 0.o
15:47<chealer>Nemoder: and unstable
15:48<CPrompt^>chealer & Nemoder :, should I just start over? It's only been installed for about 21/2 hours :)
15:48<chealer>CPrompt^: unless there was a specific reason to tell that, I suppose the person you trusted was misguided. if you installed software from unstable, it may be best to reinstall while the system is still fresh.
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15:49<CPrompt^>chealer : no. I haven't installed from it that I know of. I haven't installed anything but Konversation
15:49<Nemoder>I don't see unstable listed, did you manually pull debs from unstable?
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15:49<chealer>CPrompt^: you installed konversation from unstable?
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15:49<CPrompt^>chealer : no. It was listed in the package manager. I can just reinstall and then apt-get KDE
15:49<chealer>Nemoder: # deb unstable main
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15:50<Nemoder>commented though
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15:50<CPrompt^>chealer & Nemoder : so there should be no repos that I need to activate other than the default to install KDE?
15:51<chealer>CPrompt^: yes but did you install it while unstable was not commented in your sources.list?
15:51<chealer>CPrompt^: not just to install KDE, no.
15:51<CPrompt^>chealer : no. I installed Konversation before.
15:52<chealer>CPrompt^: how did apt-get break when you added unstable in your sources.list?
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15:52<knoppix_>whats up
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15:53<CPrompt^>chealer : not sure. Checked off the "unstable" and when I refreshed, it said that it couldn't fetch list. After that, there were no packages listed
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15:53<keitherz>i cant start x
15:53<Nemoder>CPrompt^: if you just want some of the extra stuff all you need is a sources.list like this:
15:53<keitherz>i just installed xorg
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15:54<CPrompt^>Nemoder : are those just added to your sources.lst?
15:54<Nemoder>that is the entire list
15:55<CPrompt^>Nemoder : 3 sources? OK.
15:55<chealer>CPrompt^: I suppose we could figure out what happened if you provided your dpkg log, but I think it will still be a good idea to reinstall.
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15:55<CPrompt^>chealer : agreed. I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks for your time
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15:55<Nemoder>oh I forgot the security line for stable, but ya that's about all you need
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15:56<CPrompt^>Nemoder : thanks for your time and info as well.
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16:14<rkos>is it possible to create a new partition without losing all the data?
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16:19<chealer>rkos: yes
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16:37<client>aide me please
16:37<client>how to connecte on undernet pls
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16:38<Solver>connect to
16:38<client>dont wiork
16:38<Solver>using the standard method for your irc client
16:39<Solver>debian box?
16:39<client>.server eu.......
16:40<Solver>I'm about to go but you should use 'host' to check dns resolution
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16:40[~]Solver goes (physically)
16:41<client>ok thx its reseolved
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17:05<el_isma>I'm looking for a source management system. I develop software with a friend, we both have 2 pcs, and some of the time we don't have net access. We also need something that's easy to set up and use on the pcs... Any suggestions? Where should I be reading?
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17:05<supaman>most projects are using svn today ... havent used it myself so cant comment on it
17:06<aFlag>svn is ok, better than cvs
17:06<aFlag>but I like git way better
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17:06<ggiorrgggio>ce faceti ma
17:07<el_isma>aFlag: I have used CVS in the past. What does git do better?
17:07<ggiorrgggio>a t i adormit
17:08<aFlag>git is distributed, each person can have his own repository and don't need to rely on one big server
17:08<ggiorrgggio> hy
17:08<el_isma>aFlag: that's cool. Is it easy to set up?
17:09<aFlag>el_isma, yes, git init and you're ready do go
17:09<aFlag>then you can pull and push stuff using ssh, http or git-daemon
17:09<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
17:09<el_isma>aFlag: cool. I'm gonna try it. thanks :)
17:10<el_isma>ggiorrgggio: Please stop spamming
17:10<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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17:11<JasonS>never mind
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17:11<Eulex>ah, sorry
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17:30<jusae>whats the shell command to return the current permissions of a given file? in numeric form?
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17:50<grasn_>how can i set Kmail to use iceweasel as browser for mail urls
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17:52<chealer>grasn_: is iceweasel your default browser in KDE?
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17:53<grasn_>yes i made i as default browser
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17:53<grasn_>i see its not, i made it default, yesterday, and today it was konquer again
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18:10<jusae>whats the shell command to return the current permissions of a given file? in numeric form?
18:11<streuner>read /msg dpkg permissions (greycat's website)
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18:12<streuner> <- it should explain how it works, IIRC
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18:13<streuner>hexadecimal, IIRC
18:13<jusae>is there a command that returns that information
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18:16<Xenguy>jusae: I'm not aware of command that will, but it's probably best to just learn it anyway
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18:17<jusae>i know the permissions, i just don't wanna convert the -rw------- into numeric, unnecessarly
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18:18<Xenguy>jusae: that is 600 right (or maybe I don't understand your real question)
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18:19<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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18:19<supaman>Xenguy: imagine a shell script that needs the permissions in numbers instead of letters ... and you dont want to make a function to do this .. :)
18:20<streuner>Xenguy: it would be easier if he just read the URL
18:20<jusae>i did read the url
18:20<streuner>jusae: re-read it again
18:21<streuner>ere's a table to help you out in the meantime:
18:21<streuner>rw- 6 (4 + 2)
18:21<Xenguy>read = 4; write = 2; execute = 1
18:22<jusae>okay i understand the permission settings, but rw- goes bood too well with any numeric calculations
18:22<jusae>*doesn't bood
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18:23<supaman>jusae: sorry, I think you have to make your own function for this
18:23<jusae>is there a shell function that will return the numeric permission settings of a give file, in hex/oct/dec?
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18:24<jagerman>jusae: perl -e 'printf "%3o\n", (stat shift)[2] & 07777' FILENAME
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18:24<jusae>without perl, cos most fresh installs don't use perl
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18:25<jagerman>It'll be there on any fresh debian installation
18:25<jusae>ohh, f^^k ur right
18:25<streuner>Perl is on any debian default installation..., or you just use something different
18:25<jusae>grrrr at my memory
18:26<a1i>hi there, what package do i need to install kde? i dont have to select them all manually, do i?
18:26<bzed>perl is just slow, you could use sed :|
18:26<streuner>!install kde
18:26<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
18:26<jusae>bzed, example somewhere?
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18:26<bzed>jusae: man sed
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18:27<jusae>how do u go back up on man?
18:27<Xenguy>jusae: b
18:27<Xenguy>jusae: for 'back'
18:28<jagerman>Install less and hit the up arrow/page up
18:28<Xenguy>naw, use spacebar and b, g and G
18:29<bzed>jusae: stat filename | sed '5,$d;1,3d;s,Access: (,,;s,/.*,,'
18:29<bzed>for example
18:29<Xenguy>oh, and j and k
18:30<JJtech>where to get compiz-fusion?
18:31<dpkg>i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
18:31<jagerman>bzed: Um
18:32<jagerman>bzed, jusae: stat -c '%a' filename
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18:34<bzed>jagerman: oh even better. seems I use that way too rarely
18:35<JJtech>do they have a step-by-step compis-fusion how to's??????
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18:36<inferno>when I install apache
18:36<inferno>where is the root document
18:36<inferno>where html files are served from
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18:37<Xenguy>inferno: /var/www ?
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18:37<inferno>don't know why it made "/www" and /srv?
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18:39<Xenguy>inferno: I have /srv, but no /www
18:39<JJtech>> hi to all, pls help me regarding this problem:
18:39<JJtech>> W: GPG error: unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1
18:39<JJtech>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
18:39<Xenguy>JJtech: try apt-cache search keyring
18:39<JJtech>kk.. i'll try
18:40<Xenguy>JJtech: installing some of the default keyrings might help
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18:40<JJtech>i did "apt-cache search keyring"... a series of txt appeared.. what to do next?
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18:42<JJtech>i did "apt-cache search keyring"... a series of txt appeared.. what to do next?
18:43<dpkg>somebody said keyring was a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys.
18:43<Xenguy>JJtech: maybe try installing debian-keyring
18:44<supaman>and after that run aptitude update
18:44<Xenguy>JJtech: debian-multimedia-keyring is another good one to have if you use packages from debian-multimedia
18:45<JJtech>i installed from liveCD ubuntu 64bit
18:45<supaman>JJtech: then try #ubuntu ... you dont have debian, you have ubuntu
18:46<JJtech>im sorry, but im a newbie to ubuntu
18:46<supaman>JJtech: no problemos
18:46<Xenguy>JJtech: you should /join ubuntu (debian people are touchy about being asked for ubu support)
18:46<supaman>JJtech: slow evening anyways :)
18:47<JJtech>how to join?
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18:48<JJtech>i did "CTRL + J" then type ubuntu... but when im at #ubuntu, no one there...
18:48<supaman>ahh .. is ubuntu on freenode?
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18:48<JJtech>i think yes...
18:49<supaman>yeh .. they are
18:49<JJtech>ow to go to ???
18:49<JJtech>how to go to ???
18:49<supaman>so you have to hook up to that server and then /join #ubuntu
18:49<JJtech>how to hook up??
18:49<supaman>JJtech: usually it is just /server
18:49<JJtech>kk.. i'll try
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18:52<JJtech>thanks to all... im at freenode now.. ^_^
18:52<supaman>JJtech: have fun with you new ubuntu :)
18:52<inferno>does xubuntu come with a firewall
18:53<JJtech>^_^ ..... heheh..
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19:00<Tagnard>Hi. i have a problem.
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19:00<supaman>don't we all
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19:01<Tagnard>i have done some wherid things and i want to return my debian system do the state as newly installed whidout reinstalling´it
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19:02<jack>Is it reasonably stable in Testing?
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19:02<Tagnard>like taking everything back to default
19:02<supaman>jack: for private use it is yes ... for enterprise use no
19:03<jack>supaman, I'm just fed up with ubuntuthis release
19:03<jack>its just plain bad
19:03<supaman>jack: and as long as you dont update your testing dist when they are uploading a lot of packages from unstable :)
19:03<jack>Sounds like bad timing
19:04<jack>Wolf ET was even crashing the whole system
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19:05<supaman>Tagnard: this is to general ... a lot of work is behind such an operation and Im not sure it can be done even
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19:05<supaman>Tagnard: are you sure you dont just want to back up your private stuff and reinstall?
19:06<Tagnard>supaman: the problem is that i dont have a cd or dvd aviable and i need ro reinstall it badly :(
19:07<el_isma>jack: Debian Testing is quite stable. It's like ubuntu minus the bugs :)
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19:07<Tagnard>supaman: is there a way to put the files i need to reinstall on a usb stick?
19:07<jack>And what CD's are required for install?
19:07<supaman>jack: the testing is updated when the packages in unstable are ready to be uploaded ... that is most grave bugs are fixed
19:08<jack>Like I just want the base system
19:08<chealer>jack: depends what you mean by reasonably.
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19:08<jack>like it won't just BREAK
19:08<chealer>jack: none
19:08<el_isma>jack: I used netinstall.
19:08<el_isma>jack: It downloads all the packages you want from the net
19:09<jack>Sorry to refrence ubuntu but enough like the live cd installs
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19:09<supaman>Tagnard: if you can get the base system up and running then you can copy the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives and install them one by one
19:09<jack>The basics
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19:10<jack>Are they not orginized by importance on the Cds XD
19:10<supaman>Tagnard: but this is a lot of work and requires some expertise
19:10<Tagnard>supaman: something that i lack
19:10<supaman>Tagnard: can't you download a .iso and burn it to a cd?
19:10<el_isma>jack: You could install with one cd.
19:10<jack>hmm ok
19:11<jack>That's what I'd love to do
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19:11<jack>el_isma, how good is the net installer?
19:12<jack>is it just an apt-get shell?
19:12<supaman>the net installer is excellent ... if you have access to a repository ..
19:12<jack>I do indeed
19:12<el_isma>jack: It's a small iso (120Mb I think), and only has the base packages inside.
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19:13<el_isma>jack: all the debian installers run on the same backend, which, if it makes you feel better, Ubuntu uses too
19:13<supaman>I have a lot of problems with it since to get to the net I have to log on to my campus firewall to get outside of it ... so I allways have problems with it, but that is because of my nets setup .. not because of cd
19:13<jack>I did an alt install is it similar?
19:14<jack>Wait wait wait
19:14<jack>Is there wifi support?
19:14<jack>(atmel specifically)
19:14<el_isma>jack: If I recall correctly, ubuntu's alternate install is the "normal" debian installer
19:14<jack>Great :X
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19:15<azeem>they changed it a bit, but it's the same codebase
19:15<el_isma>jack: I think there's a new GUI around these days, but I haven't tried it (I've seen it, though, and it's pretty)
19:15<chealer>jack: 802.11g or what?
19:15<chealer>jack: is it supported by Linux?
19:15<jack>It was installed correctly in an alt install
19:15<chealer>jack: does it use proprietary firmware?
19:15<jack>runs right now on kubuntu 7.10
19:16<azeem>Ubuntu does whatever it takes to support WLAN
19:16<azeem>Debian has higher standards WRT Free Software
19:16<azeem>so just because it was supported out-of-the-box on Kubuntu doesn't mean it's out-of-the-box on Debian
19:16<jack>The AT[endless stream of numbers] driver works
19:16<jack>Its from BerliOS, I assume its GPL
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19:17<Tagnard>supaman: a friend had a debian cd. thx anyway
19:17<dpkg>well, at76_usb is a driver for Atmel AT76c503, AT76c505 and AT76c505a based wireless LAN USB devices: It is a rewrite of the Sourceforge atmelwlandriver. Packaged in Debian as 'at76c503a-source'. Ask me about <atmel usb devices>. This driver currently does not support WPA.
19:17<miksuh>jack: atmel wifi cards need madwifi driver
19:17<miksuh>it's wery easy to install that
19:17<supaman>Tagnard: ahh .. good .. :)
19:18<supaman>Tagnard: good luck then
19:18<jack>That one
19:18<miksuh># module-assistant auto-install madwifi
19:18<chealer>miksuh: are you sure?
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19:18<azeem>jack: apparently that driver is not in Linux directly
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19:18<chealer>jack: what's the chipset?
19:18<el_isma>What can I use to draw a block diagram? (it's for an electronics project)
19:18<chealer>jack: that's just the chipset's manufacturer.
19:19<jack>I don't know
19:19<supaman>el_isma: a load of applications are available for that
19:19<jack>There really is only one atmel driver for all their chips though
19:19<miksuh>ah not atmel, but atheros
19:19<el_isma>supaman: How do I search for them?
19:20<jack>Its 802.11b USB
19:20<jack>The worst possible situation :P
19:20<chealer>jack: it seems to be supported, but I'm not sure. if you were talking about at76c50x.
19:20<jack>I mgiht wait to install until I wire the house
19:20<jack>its AT76C50X yeah
19:20<chealer>jack: then it should be supported.
19:21<supaman>el_isma: hmmm .. look through the packages at the homepage in science, electronics, development and perhaps some other
19:21<supaman>el_isma: or just search for CAE
19:21<chealer>miksuh: yeah
19:21<supaman>el_isma: computer aided electronics
19:22<chealer>jack: re what miksuh wrote, it's wrong (atmel wifi card don't need the madwifi driver)
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19:22<el_isma>supaman: will do, thanks
19:22<miksuh>atheros cards work using madwifi, I don't know about atmel
19:22<supaman>el_isma: xfig has some electronics in its library I know
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19:23<jack>29 Linksys WUSB11 v2.6 PKW-WUSB11-V26 0x077b 0x2219 AT76C503A RFMD
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19:28<chealer>jack: the driver which I think supports it is "A driver 802.11b wireless cards based on the Atmel fast-vnet chips."
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19:29<jack>I'm not sure I really want to install it
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19:39<bradley>Can anyone help me install envy?
19:39<bradley>It says dependency python is missing but I don't know what it needs
19:39<cahoot>on debian?
19:39<azeem>bradley: how do you install it?
19:40<bradley>The package from their website
19:40<azeem>bradley: so ask them for support
19:41<bradley>I would ask how to force authentication when anyone opens synaptic but you might just tell me to ask them for support
19:41<azeem>what is anyone?
19:42<azeem>and who is "them" in this case?
19:42<bradley>the synaptic package maintainers
19:42<bradley>is them and anyone = any account on my computer
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19:43<azeem>bradley: did you install synaptic from elsewhere than Debian?
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19:43<azeem>then this is the right place to ask about it
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19:56<bradley>sorry for my snarkiness
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20:27<cockroach>what do i need to do on oldstable for the distro-kernel to load the correct modules for my scsi controller?
20:28<cockroach>(kernel 2.6)
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20:30<Brudus>I'm trying to install a theme. It says i've installed it correctly but I don't see it in the list.
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20:55<raphael>Hello, Linux people! I'm a complete Linux n00b and need help with what I suspect is a very difficult install - the gunze touchscreen drivers, from here:
20:55<raphael>I don't know where to start. :P
20:55<raphael>make just gives me a long list of errors.
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20:59<amphi>raphael: pastebinning the errors might help - I know nothing of that driver though
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20:59<raphael> those are the errors
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21:01<raphael>I bet it's something really simple I'm doing wrong.
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21:05<amphi>raphael: is for the version of the kernel you're compiling against?
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21:05<amphi>*is the driver
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21:06<raphael>that could be the problem... I think there's only one version of the driver, though. it allows to pass a directory name after name, though, for different kernels.
21:06<raphael>I don't know what directory I should pass.
21:06<raphael>after make* sorry
21:06<raphael>...odd typo. :P
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21:20<Internat>stupid question.. quotas.. they need to be enabled on the fstab right?
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21:32<george>one of the purposes of /etc/fstab is to store preferences of options to pass to mount
21:33<george>also, a way to find out more about what can go in fstq
21:33<george>is to do man 5 fstab
21:33<george>err misspelled something, but you get the idea
21:34<raphael>so... any ideas about my evil touchscreen driver?
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21:39<george>raphael it;s possible that the symbol CONFIG_L1_CACHE_SHIFT is expected to be defined and a number
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21:40<george>expected by the source of your driver code
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21:41<george>what cpu do you have
21:43<raphael>is there a way to define it?
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21:45<raphael>it's a CF-M34 Toughbook, P3 400mhZ, 192 MB RAM. if you were interested. :P
21:45<daffytheduck>Hi Im having trouble getting the X server started in a fresh install of lenny. I can get to a login screen but after entering my username and password it attempts to start kde but ends up back at the login
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21:47<daffytheduck>ive tried to startx from the prompt as a user and the output of X is here
21:50<george>raphael that cpu would definitely have a l1 cache,,, so the next thing to do is find out if there is a specific kernel version it wants to build with, and if the driver source is expecting anything special in the config
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21:51<Solver>lshw might be useful
21:51<raphael>mmhm. is there a way to find that out that, then?
21:51<Solver>it'll tell you the cache and whether it is enabled
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21:53<Solver>lshw is one of the great forgotten diagnostic tools
21:54<raphael>what is the cache for?
21:55<raphael>'lshw: command not found'
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21:55<Solver>raphael: aptitude install lshw
21:55[~]raphael installs it
21:55<Solver>this is Debian ;)
21:56<raphael>yep. about 6 seconds ahead of you. :P
21:56<keitherz>can locales be installed in sid?
21:56<Solver>the L1 & L2 cache improve performance
21:56<Solver>they help with pre-fetch, etc
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21:57<keitherz>because when i try to install it it saids it depends on glibc-2.6-1 or something
21:58<keitherz>so i installed locales-all will that work?
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21:59<george> cat /etc/debian_version
22:00<raphael>here it is:
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22:01<daffytheduck>did u try locales-gen
22:01<keitherz>daffytheduck are you talking to me?
22:01<daffytheduck>have u just installed locales
22:01<keitherz>i cant
22:02<daffytheduck>why not
22:02<raphael>Debian version 4.0, by the way, if that was directed towards me.
22:02<keitherz>its a broken package... it says it depends on glic-2.6-1 which cannot be installed
22:03<daffytheduck>what version of Debian have u got
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22:03<keitherz>but the locales error were fixed when i installed locales-all
22:03<george>raphael, thanks btw
22:03<keitherz>im on sid
22:03<george>keitherz cat /etc/debian_version
22:03<daffytheduck>I had the same issue
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22:03<keitherz>george whats that for?
22:04<daffytheduck>im just trying to think how i fixed it
22:04<george>I want to see what debian thinks its version is
22:04<keitherz>daffytheduck please remember it
22:04<Solver>cat /etc/debian_version on an Ubuntu Feisty box returns 4.0. hehe :)
22:05<daffytheduck>i know there is a bug with upgrading to glibc-2.7
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22:05<daffytheduck>one sec
22:05<keitherz>oh yeah i just upgraded to sid
22:06<keitherz>after a fresh netinst without desktop environment
22:06<raphael>agh, dodgy wireless. I missed anything from the last... minute.
22:06<keitherz>and maybe the libs are also causing the x not to start
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22:07<keitherz>i have no gui can you please just explain the solution
22:07<keitherz>i cant start xorg ijust installed it
22:07<daffytheduck>aptitude install lynx
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22:07<diego>I have a very old monitor, and so the max resolution I can get is 800x600. The problem is that some windows in kde don't fit the screen, they are too big. This happens specially in the kde control center, so in order to access some butons I must move the window left or right... you get the idea. It's a pain in the ass. Is there any way to fix it, or is 800x600 not very well suported in kde?
22:07<daffytheduck>thatll give you a browser
22:08<keitherz>ok wait
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22:08<raphael>I feel your pain, diego.
22:08<raphael>800x600, 8.5 inch screen. but no idea how to help you :P
22:09<raphael>if it helps any, all the windows seem to fit in GNOME.
22:10<diego>raphael: Thank you for your understanding. Hope some day I will throw this monitor away. It's more than 10 years old!
22:11<raphael>mmm. mine's a laptop screen ;)
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22:12<keitherz>well the cat /etc/debian_version returns lenny/sid
22:12<keitherz>and how can i use lynx, how can i click your link
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22:13<raphael>type the link into Lynx, I think
22:16<keitherz>wheres the link again
22:16<keitherz>now how can i use that
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22:17<raphael>type lynx into terminal
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22:18<raphael>then press G
22:18<raphael>type the address, and welcome to the world of the 1980s :P
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22:22<diego>Is there any way to limit the size of the windows?
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22:24<george>daffytheduck: did you say before that the login screen you get is a graphic one?
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22:28<themisfit>Hi. I'm having some problems with X11-forwarding and SSH. I'm running Debian 4.0_r1 on an Ultra 5. The /etc/ssh/sshd_config file is configured for allowing X11 forwarding and I'm ssh-ing with -X.
22:28<themisfit>Any suggestions?
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22:29<themisfit>I'm connecting from OS X. I've also tried connecting from FreeBSD. I don't think the clients are the problem.
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22:33<d0rt>themisfit check /etc/ssh/ssh_config (or equivalent in whatever appropriate directory) on the client end too
22:34<george>you said "you're having some problems" without saying what they are...
22:34<themisfit>I did... they have forwading enabled. (Host *\nForwardAgent yes\nFowardX11 yes)
22:34<george>what are the problems you're having? :)
22:35<d0rt>if that was a direct paste, then there's your problem
22:35<themisfit>The DISPLAY environment variable is not set.
22:35<themisfit>Without the \n.
22:35<d0rt>but probably it was just a typo putting it here
22:35<themisfit>Not a direct paste. :)
22:36<themisfit>But doesn't the -X option override the client settings?
22:36<d0rt>it needs another r
22:36<d0rt>that's all I was pointing out
22:36<themisfit>Oh, just a typo here.
22:37<themisfit>Do I need to do anything with hosts.allow?
22:38[~]d0rt doesn't think so
22:38<d0rt>as far as i can tell you ought to be on the right track
22:38<george>themisfit are these all different client boxes?
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22:39<themisfit>Yup. I'm connecting to a Debian machine from FreeBSD and OS X.
22:39<george>ok, try this
22:39<themisfit>I've tried ssh -2 -X... just to make sure the protocol is identical to the server's.
22:39<george>restart the ssh server on debian, then ssh from an xterm or rxvt
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22:40<george>log in, then check echo $DISPLAY
22:40<keitherz>daffytheduck what did you do to make it work
22:40<keitherz>and other sid users there
22:40<themisfit>That's exactly what I've been trying... the DISPLAY. :)
22:40<themisfit>It's never set.
22:41<george>on the debian box, apt-get install xbase-clients
22:41<themisfit>OK, installing.
22:41<themisfit>Do you ever use dselect?
22:41<themisfit>I never really use apt-get directly.
22:41<george>slooooowwwwwly I turned...
22:42<george>step by step,
22:42<george>inch by inch I crept
22:42<george>oh, sorry, dselect is my trigger word :)
22:42<raphael>nice. :P
22:42<themisfit>I guess not.
22:42[~]themisfit prefers dselect.
22:43[~]d0rt has never seen that sentiment expressed :-]
22:43<themisfit>Well, searching for packages is relatively easy.
22:43[~]d0rt cowers before dselect
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22:43<d0rt>i find aptitude works the way it ought to
22:43<d0rt> i can't imagine wanting more than aptitude provides me with
22:44<george>I have yet to do an installation purely with aptitude
22:44<d0rt>i mean
22:44<keitherz_>hmm maybe the solution to my problem is get the experemental glibc-2.7-1
22:44<d0rt>apt-get install aptitude
22:44<d0rt>has to be done pretty early on
22:44[~]raphael nudges someone back in the direction of his driver
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22:45<george>yeah but I'm told that newer apt-get is keeping track I guess as of lenny
22:45<george>is she cute?
22:45<george>I like cute drivers
22:46<raphael>she's cuter when she works. ...and I think I just made a euphimism in LINUX. :P
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22:47<themisfit>It's now working!
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22:48<themisfit>Thanks a lot.
22:48<george>what you want to do first is find out what are the required programs and files installed at the time you build
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22:48<george>them is fit?
22:48<themisfit>the-misfit. :P
22:48<george>oh :) I was gonna ask who is them :)
22:49<raphael>mmm, the driver docs don't actually say that I think. helpfully enough.
22:49<raphael>them is always fit, george.
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22:49[~]george gonna play some bass tonite hopefully
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22:50<themisfit>Aha, xbase-clients contains xauth.
22:50<george>that should be what does it
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22:50<themisfit>I think so.
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22:51<george>them is gone!
22:51<george>raphael: do you see a file README in the root of the src tree?
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22:52<raphael>it's basically the stuff from the site copy-pasted. :P
22:52<george>and does that say much more than "copyright blah 1885"
22:53<george>if no, does it say anything about other files to read?
22:53<george>whether yes or no, is there a file INSTALL in the root of the src tree?
22:54<raphael>yeah, it says to check the /doc directory which is just what's on the site in various formats.
22:54[~]raphael makes no comment about 1885
22:54<raphael>yes, there is an INSTALL file
22:55<george>that file is likely to enumerate the build requirements
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22:56<raphael>sorry, I'm an idiot. no, there is no INSTALL file.
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22:57<george>ok, are you in the same dir as where the README is?
22:57<daffytheduck>george the screen is graphic yes
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22:58<george>daffytheduck: when you move the mouse, does something happen on the screen? can you click to move where the text insertion point is?
22:58<daffytheduck>i can startx as root but i end up with a mouse pointer on a black screen
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22:59<george>daffytheduck: ok. conclusion: your x server is working fine
22:59<daffytheduck>i thought so
22:59<Solver>sounds like it
22:59<george>it's the starting of kde or whatever that is the problem
22:59<miksuh>Hmm do you remember if debian installer can resize existing ntfs partition and make new partition for the debian? It's wery long time I installed debiuan to same hd as windows
22:59<Solver>the root window (background) is normally grey by default
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23:00<daffytheduck>your right because im getting no EE errors sarting X
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23:00<miksuh>It's long time I had windows at home :D
23:00<Solver>daffytheduck: if you click the mouse does anything happen?
23:00<george>also files in your home dir could affect how your session starts
23:00<daffytheduck>in the kdm login screen I have full functionality
23:00<Solver>oh cool
23:00<daffytheduck>but i cant get past it
23:01<george>ok, what kind of session is it set to?
23:01<daffytheduck>i try to login and it dumps me straight back at the login
23:01<miksuh>now I need windows for the symbian coding :P
23:01<daffytheduck>i only have kde installed
23:01<miksuh>because there is no symbian ide and emulator for the linux :(
23:01<Solver>kde is broken in some way or .xsession is broken if it is in use
23:02<daffytheduck>i didnt check the sessions
23:02<daffytheduck>ill reboot and take a look ok
23:02<Solver>.xsession is a file used to set how X is setup. most ppl don't use it these days
23:03<daffytheduck>i thught xorg.conf was the file for X config
23:03<Solver>~/.xsession is a user config file. I wanted to mention it in case you were actually using it :)
23:03<dpkg>...but /.xsession is already something else...
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23:04<daffytheduck>ill try and login now and see how it goes
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23:09<keitherz>ok now my locales are fixed
23:09<daffytheduck>ok I checked out the sessions in kdm and i tried it in both kde and failsafe and it comes straight back to the login
23:09<keitherz>now my problem is xorg wont start
23:09<Solver>X won't start?
23:10<raphael>reconfigure x?
23:10<Solver>oh sorry, I was helping daffytheduck :)
23:10[~]Solver was watching BSG 1978 at the same time
23:10<raphael>I need to go and borrow Firefly. again. and this time make use of my DVD burner
23:11<daffytheduck>i installed nvidia drivers and it automatically configured X but this is a issue with Kde I think not with X
23:11<Solver>yeah X sounds fine
23:11<Solver>if you can get to the display manager (login window)
23:12<chealer>daffytheduck: did you check your ~/.xsession-errors ?
23:13<daffytheduck>when I started X the first time as root i got the kde wizard but after running through the wizard all i get now is a black screen with a mouse on it
23:13<daffytheduck>no i didnt ill take a look
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23:14<daffytheduck>open: Permission denied
23:14<daffytheduck>its a perms issue
23:14<Solver>in your a/c ?
23:14<Solver>ls -l ~/.xsession-errors
23:15<daffytheduck>Xsession: X session started for mrkangaroo at Sat Nov 24 15:06:52 UTC 2007
23:15<daffytheduck>open: Permission denied
23:15<daffytheduck>thats the whole thing
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23:16<Solver>well I need to go get my wife's ipod working under Ubuntu
23:16<chealer>daffytheduck: did you do some particular partitioning?
23:16<daffytheduck>no this was a partition i was already using from another distro
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23:16<Solver>if this is etch I'd look at the kde packages - maybe reinstall and also permissions on $HOME
23:17<Solver>permissions and ownership
23:17<Solver>you do own $HOME don't you?
23:17<Solver>ok good :)
23:17<daffytheduck>one sec
23:17<chealer>daffytheduck: which partition are you using from another distro?
23:18<Solver>chealer: an excellent question :)
23:18<daffytheduck>its a ext3 partition
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23:19<Solver>yes but where is it mounted?
23:19<daffytheduck>it had other folders on it but i installed lenny on it using debootstrap
23:19<daffytheduck>the other distro is mounted at the moment on /media/sda2
23:20<daffytheduck>Lenny is mounted on /dev/sad5
23:20<chealer>daffytheduck: without formatting the partition first?
23:20<daffytheduck>but it was already formatted ext3 so i didnt see a problem
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23:21<chealer>daffytheduck: I mean, you didn'T remove the files which were on the partition before you installed Debian?
23:21<daffytheduck>i was using it for vmware for vm's
23:21<daffytheduck>they are still there
23:21<Solver>chealer: I think you found the problem ;)
23:21<daffytheduck>i see
23:22<daffytheduck>i have got all the regular folders /boot /root /home etc as well as /My Music /VmWare
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23:23<Solver>where is /usr ?
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23:23<Solver>is it on / ?
23:23<daffytheduck>yes /usr
23:23<daffytheduck>on the root
23:23<chealer>daffytheduck: I don't think that's supported.
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23:23<daffytheduck>in what respect
23:24<raphael>maybe Debian just doesn't like the /My Music folder? :P
23:24<chealer>daffytheduck: installing on an already used partition without formatting it.
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23:24<daffytheduck>i see
23:24<daffytheduck>i have done it before and its worked fine
23:24<Solver>where is this filesystem mounted again?
23:24<Solver>the one you recycled
23:24<george>but where is that mounted
23:24<Solver>that's the device, the mount point is like / or /usr
23:25<daffytheduck>yes /
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23:25<george>that could be weird
23:25<Solver>failing to make it clean opens it to non-deterministic behaviour :)
23:25<daffytheduck>ill try and remove the other folders then
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23:25<george>what you -might- want to do is have a separate /home at least
23:26<chealer>daffytheduck: removing the other folders is unlikely to help. what would help is to reinstall on a clean partition.
23:26<george>then try to keep debian installer from making a user
23:26<Solver>backup, do a clean build on clean filesystems
23:26<Solver>that way you have a clean system
23:26<george>do you have unpartitioned space?
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23:27<daffytheduck>no i used all the space i had
23:27<Solver>for reliability I recommend etch
23:27<raphael>is there a touchscreen driver that is slightly more intuitive than this one?
23:27<daffytheduck>but i can repartition this partiton
23:27<raphael>or a manual way to set up the touchscreen?
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23:27<george>raphael, so you got that one to build?
23:27<raphael>nup :P
23:28<daffytheduck>i want to get as close to testing as possible
23:28<Solver>daffytheduck: Etch = Debian 4,0, the stable distro
23:28<Solver>oh ok
23:28<raphael>I fiddled around with it but didn't get any further
23:28<daffytheduck>i want to run compiz
23:28<daffytheduck>and vmware
23:28<george>I've been playing with xen
23:29<daffytheduck>ive got lenny setup on a laptop with compiz and its perfect
23:29<george>and I have a coupla debians running on the same box
23:29<george>with their own kernels
23:30<daffytheduck>is there a way to keep all the sources Ive downloaded to use in the rebuild
23:30<Solver>I've been using Ubunut to install vmware-server (since it is packaged) and then running a bunch of Ubuntu and Debian boxes virtually
23:30<daffytheduck>i use a XP vm for audio encoding work for a website ive got
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23:31<raphael>I'm going insane. I just typed /me at the start of a Google search :P
23:31<Solver>or _sane_
23:31<raphael>perhaps that. :P
23:31<Solver>I visit websites and want to edit them
23:31<Solver>too much time on WP
23:31<daffytheduck>whats the best way to reuse all the sources ive downloaded
23:32<raphael>hahaha :D
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23:32<daffytheduck>is that wordpress
23:33<raphael>although I thought wordpress at first, too. damn blogger culture. ;)
23:33<daffytheduck>yeah i dont like it
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23:33<chealer>Solver: hehe. you get use to that one
23:34<Solver>raphael: yep :)
23:34<daffytheduck>so what am i gonna do to reuse all the deb packages ive downloaded for lenny
23:35<Solver>chealer: I'm getting better :)
23:35<Solver>ayou can run a local cache for packages
23:35<Solver>about a gazillion ways to do that of course
23:35<raphael>no, my best ever bout of insanity was when I tried to mouseover an xkcd I had on my wall to check the alt text. I got half-way out of my chair before I realised what the hell I was doing.
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23:36<raphael>I honestly don't have a clue what I was doing. :P
23:36<Solver>were you drunk? :)
23:36<daffytheduck>u got to watch that jungle juice
23:36<Solver>so I'm a big thin client guy
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23:36<Solver>I'm running off a thin client right now
23:37<Solver>cxsetup (crossover) does soemthing evil to the xserver
23:37<raphael>no, I don't think so. very exhausted though, and trying to multitask. I think I'll leave that to the girls.
23:37<Solver>it hammers it during the cxsetup staartup
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23:37<keitherz>ok the problem with my xorg is it gives out errno 111 and errno 3
23:37<keitherz>well it says:
23:37<keitherz>giving up
23:38<keitherz>xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) Cannot connect to server
23:38<daffytheduck>if i could play some mucis from the prompt Id be happy without X started
23:38<Solver>raphael: I think alot of the clains relating to multi-tasking and gender have been retracted, or at least quietly dropped
23:38<Solver>the latest claim is us lefties are the good multitaskers
23:39<raphael>ooh! something to do with which side of the brain you use, I assume?
23:39<keitherz>and the another one that i forgor
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23:39[~]Solver whacks himself
23:39<Solver>there are cli music players
23:39<Solver>i can't remember
23:39<daffytheduck>what about ogg's
23:39<keitherz>please help
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23:39<Solver>daffytheduck: anything OSS shoild be fine with ogg
23:40<daffytheduck>i think ive got alsa runing things
23:40<Solver>alsaplayer or something
23:40<Solver>keitherz: hiya
23:40<keitherz>please help
23:41<Solver>please state the nature of the medical emergency
23:41<daffytheduck>poor guy is struggling with X the same as me lol
23:41<keitherz>i just said it
23:41<Solver>oh right the X errors
23:41<Solver>google those errors. I may do it in the a minute too
23:41<Solver>is X running?
23:42<Solver>so if you execute the X server on its own it failed?
23:42<keitherz>i already googled it
23:42<Solver>oh good
23:42[~]Solver multi-tasks fixing wifey's ipod to work with Ubuntu
23:42<raphael>...apparently WINE is now a window manager. what is the guy who wrote this on? :P
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23:42<Solver>raphael: hahah
23:43<Solver>keitherz: have you tried starting /usr/bin/X on its own?
23:43<Solver>EMACS is an operating system! :)
23:43<daffytheduck>WINE a window manager lololololol
23:43<Solver>oknot quite, but close :)
23:43<keitherz>no wine can be
23:43<Solver>keitherz: see if X will start
23:43<raphael>agh, Emacs. :P
23:43<keitherz>WINE explorer.exe
23:43<Solver>yeah ok :)
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23:43<Solver>I've been using Unix for 15 years and I've never used Emacs
23:43<daffytheduck>im thinking in terms of kdm gdm
23:43<Solver>I started it once or twice
23:44<daffytheduck>not a file manager
23:44<keitherz>well Solver let me try
23:44<keitherz>man cant i multitask here
23:44<keitherz>i know fix my system
23:44<keitherz>ssh me
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23:44<keitherz>wait ill try to run X only
23:44<Solver>higher higher
23:45<keitherz>where is it again?
23:45<keitherz>/usr/bin ?
23:45<Solver>well on Ubuntu it is /usr/bin/X
23:45<Solver>probably same on Deb
23:45<Solver>this is an Ubuntu
23:45<keitherz>yea ill try
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23:45<Solver>box, don't beat me :)
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23:45<raphael>this is Sparta.
23:45[~]raphael hides
23:45<Guest90>whats up
23:45<Solver>raphael: :)
23:45<Guest90>what is this
23:46<raphael>madness, Guest90!
23:46[~]Solver was going to point out that there was no need to leave to start X
23:46<daffytheduck>ok im gonna go try and learn how to set up a apt cache
23:46<daffytheduck>any suggestions
23:46<Solver>some ppl just use squid to do it
23:46<Guest90>hey what can i do in knoppix
23:46<chealer>!tell Guest90 about knoppix
23:47<Solver>I love knoppix - it's my swiss army knife
23:47<daffytheduck>very funny
23:47<daffytheduck>its good to have a knoppix cd arround
23:47<Guest90>ya it is
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23:48<Solver>got I love X's network transparency
23:48<Solver>I use it all the time
23:48<Guest90>i knew it was good for recovery
23:48[~]Solver uses it again
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23:48<daffytheduck>im waiting for 5.2 to come out
23:48[~]Solver is running crossover setup from wife's laptop upstrairs
23:48<Guest90>lol me too
23:48<raphael>I've never used it! I feel excluded. :P
23:48<keitherz>well when i /usr/bin/X it doesn't return anything
23:48<BoBo>hy a good firewall or a script ?
23:48<Solver>keitherz: does the screen go blank?
23:48<Solver>ven briefly
23:48<keitherz>and i think it terminates
23:48<Solver>ls -l /usr/bin/X
23:49<Solver>show us the result of that - 1 line
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23:49<BoBo>-rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7672 2007-04-08 21:26 /usr/bin/X
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23:49<Solver>BoBo: :)
23:49<Solver>oh there I was analyising it - hey wait: wrong person
23:49<george>BoBo: google for "rustys unreliable guides"
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23:50<keitherz>well same as the guy said
23:50<Guest90>how do i set up networking
23:50<george>first you get a net
23:50<george>then you start it working
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23:51<george>then you have networking!!
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23:51<Solver>Guest90: /etc/network/interfaces
23:51<Solver>Guest90: man interfaces
23:51<Solver>keitherz: go on
23:51<Solver>Guest90: we can give examples
23:51<keitherz>it prints out the same as the guy said before i quit
23:51<chealer>george: Knoppix is offtopic here. ask #knoppix
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23:52<raphael>how can you get a net working? I don't think strings connect well to computers :P
23:52<george>I've never asked a knoppix I didn't like!
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23:52<Solver>raphael: glue
23:52<george>chealer: umm, wait...
23:52<george>I wasn't asking a question!
23:52<keitherz>now what will i do Solver
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23:52<Solver>keitherz: when X starts it should do something
23:53<keitherz>well it wont
23:53<Solver>if it were me I'd run strace on the binary
23:53<chealer>keitherz: please provide your X log
23:53<Solver>not sure if you are up to that
23:53<raphael>Solver: :D
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23:53<Solver>man I need sleep
23:53<BoBo>what is rustys unreliable guides ?
23:54<george>google for that and see!
23:54<BoBo>i need a script for firewall not a book man
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23:54<george>what you need is a way to make the script yourself
23:54<george>and that's my last comment on that!
23:55<Solver>good ol Rusty
23:55<george>well second last... it's a good read!
23:55<raphael>oh yes, when Debian boots it mentions something about loading a touchscreen... which implies it recognises the touchscreen?
23:55<BoBo>a firewall with interface ?
23:55<george>you'll really be the coolest kid on the block when you tell them you made your own script!
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23:56<raphael>which implies the drivers are already on the system, but how do I enable it then, I guess?
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23:56<raphael>would that simply be something in xorg.conf?
23:56<dpkg>I am the firestarter!, or, or a stephen king book
23:56[~]raphael catches on fire
23:56<BoBo>ooo no firestater another ?
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23:57<george>they say you can't be a firestater in a airpprt
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23:57[~]raphael runs around screaming and jumps out the window
23:57<Solver>sensible choice
23:57<daffytheduck>starting fires in a gas station is a no no as well
23:58<raphael>I hope there's a pond under the window. :P
23:58<george>you may have noticed I didn't say firestarter :)
23:58<daffytheduck>whats wrong with firestarter
23:58<george>starts fires?
23:59<daffytheduck>a firestarter and a can of metho dont mix
23:59<raphael>what would be the InputDevice section for a touchscreen running off ttyS3?
23:59<george>but if it's just a firestater
23:59<BoBo>firestarter is not good
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