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00:29<YbeddyJ>how do i find/tell which module should be loaded for a given hardware?
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00:38<GuHHH>is there any way i can use user's quota and group's quota if i just have one partition?
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00:42<twb>GuHHH: sure.
00:43<twb>GuHHH: install quota, then mount / with -o usrquota and/or -o grpquota
00:44<GuHHH>twb: how can i mount / remount the partition im actually using?
00:44<GuHHH>is it possible?
00:44<twb>mount -o remount, IIRC
00:44<twb>But obviously you could just edit fstab and reboot
00:44<GuHHH>okay :)
00:45<GuHHH>twb: how do i use usrquota and grpquota ? i mean, the values...
00:45<GuHHH>twb: i set it with edquota?
00:45<twb>I've never heard of that.
00:46<twb>You set a user's quota with quota(8)
00:46<twb>Note that the quota metadata files in the root directory of the filesystem must exist before quotas will be enforced -- these will be generated by the init.d script if they don't already exist.
00:47<twb>This will be quite slow if it's a big filesystem, so don't be surprised if reboot takes a few hours
00:47<GuHHH>oh, lol :)
00:47<twb>Sorry, I mean if it's a big filesystem *full of data*
00:48<twb>An empty 500GB filesystem will take as long to quota as an empty 2Tb filesystem
00:48<GuHHH>i see
00:48<GuHHH>twb: what if im using ldap?
00:49<twb>That rather depends what you're using it for.
00:49<GuHHH>twb: those quotas are for 'unix users' right?
00:49<twb>If you are using pam_ldap, then ldap users ARE unix users.
00:49<GuHHH>what if the users only exists on ldap?
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00:50<twb>It's quite possible to have no users at all in a system's flat files (/etc/passwd &c) -- I believe OS X works this way.
00:50<GuHHH>twb: so it wont mess with the quotas anyway?!
00:50<twb>I don't understand the question.
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00:51<gamog>how can I install for Apache in Lenny?
00:52<twb>gamog: libapache2-authenntlm-perl?
00:53<GuHHH>twb: i mean, it will work the same way then?
00:53<gamog>twb: no such package found
00:53<gamog>E: Couldn't find package libapache2-authenntlm-perl
00:54<twb>gamog: it's in Sid... perhaps it has been suppressed in Lenny.
00:55<twb>GuHHH: will what work the same way? What way is the `same way'?
00:56<GuHHH>twb: cause i think that since the users are only in ldap base, it may not work...
00:56<GuHHH>(the quotas)
00:56<twb>I think you think wrongly, but I cannot speak from direct experience.
00:57<twb>Why don't you try it and see?
00:57<GuHHH>i will
01:01<gamog>how can I install it now? I am on Lenny.
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01:02<gamog>that libapache2-authenntlm-perl seems to be for sid only
01:03<simonrvn>you can install selected things on lenny, but a new glibc got in sid, so that won't last until it makes it to lenny
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01:42<jakeriver>is there any list which tells the sound cards debian supports? my sound card died and i thought i'd buy one which would work with debian :).
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01:45<Mr_Giraffe>jakeriver, i'm using an abysmal, old sound card (as in ~2001-2) and it works fine
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01:45<simonrvn>it's not distro based, it's kernel based. anything linux kernel supports, debian does
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01:49<jae>How do you debug random, non-syslog-errored hangs? :(
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01:52<R0CK>good morning
01:53<R0CK>I'm having this problem
01:53<R0CK>Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/ line 201.
01:53<R0CK>I'm using aproxy for pop3 & smtp redirecting...
01:53<R0CK>it's always stop on that message.
01:54<R0CK>after it working sometime.
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02:00<gamog>how to hibernate in lenny? the power icon right click menu doesn't have "hibernate" option any more.
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02:03<twb>gamog: what menu?
02:03<gamog>power icon in the notification area > right click
02:03<gamog>in GNome
02:03<gamog>earlier there was a hibernate option in that menu, but now nothing
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02:23<basava>hi, do i really need to set up a firewall on a base install not running anything except for maybe bittorrent? and whats the best way to go about doing it?
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02:25<cahoot>basava: I doubt you have any use for a fw if you don't run servers
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02:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gig
02:26<gig> !list
02:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gig
02:26<gig>@find xxx
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02:42<simonrvn>effing maroons
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03:27<Mikey-sarge>hello everyone. a quick question, if i may.. does anyone perchance know when Debian Sarge will become unsupported ?
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03:30<dpkg>sarge is probably Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists:
03:30<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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03:31<cahoot>Mikey-sarge: IIRC 18 months after the release of etch
03:32<Mikey-sarge>cahoot: thanks. but, IIRC?
03:32<cahoot>a roundabout way of saying: I think
03:33<Mikey-sarge>heh, sweet as
03:33<fxiny>ohh roundabout ? you on a yes mood today ? no jethro ?
03:33<cahoot>nope Carmen
03:34<Mikey-sarge>cheers for the info. we have lots of working sarge servers at work and are still debating the upgrade
03:34<cahoot>Theresa Berganza to be precise
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03:38<fxiny>ok : i have Ileana Cotrubas Carmen Act 1 ;)
03:39<cahoot>I'm transferring my LP's to flac
03:40<fxiny>oh flac is good . i've moved my ape Mozart collection to flack , still keep the ape around
03:41<fxiny>mp3 sucks
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03:42<ruffidle>i'm looking for a way to encrypt the login information in the scripts under /etc/chatscripts. does anyone know a way to make this work if the isp doesn't use pap or chap?
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03:53<fxiny>it seems oftc gives away tor-tuxedos at will . i had one a couple of days ago :P
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03:55<daffytheduck>anyone here heard of moc
03:55<cahoot>sounds like qt
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03:59<fxiny>never used moc : i'm chained to xmms2
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04:03<Nemoder>fxiny: what do you like about xmms2?
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04:06<fxiny>Nemoder: cli
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04:07<fxiny>and playing with sqlite3 db
04:07<fxiny>obviously i hate etch "gonzo" version :P
04:09<Nemoder>after xmms1 development slowed i switched to audacious
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04:11<fxiny>Nemoder: xmms2 cli is pretty addictive . also medialib commands are interesting : xmms2 mlib search "artist=Mozart" for example
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04:14<fxiny>Nemoder: i heard something about a xmms1 comeback lately but is too late for me : i won't go back
04:14<Nemoder>yeah they finally released an update
04:15<Nemoder>i'm pretty happy with audacious though, uses the same skins
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04:17<fxiny>if you have a huge collection to sort out or if you just want to load playlists quickly (say in a screen session) xmms2 is the best
04:17<Nemoder>I was never much for cli
04:18<fxiny>Nemoder: xmms2 uses less resources comparing to xmms
04:19<Nemoder>I didn't like how xmms2 had a daemon separate from the gui, but I guess it makes sense for cli
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04:20<fxiny>how can you beat : xmms2 radd dir , then list , then jump or seek ? too fast and easy
04:21<fxiny>status pause , are all sensible commands
04:21<Nemoder>I just prefer click, click, play.
04:21<fxiny>why not amarok then ?
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04:22<pekos>hi @all
04:22<Nemoder>the screenshot for the interface looked a bit too intrusive
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04:23<pekos>i need some help regarding a nfs-server running on a box that has multiple nics & ip-adresseses
04:23<Nemoder>I like having a compact little panel that I can roll up just enough to see track name and play time
04:23<pekos>some nfs gurus around?
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04:24<cahoot>looking for a guru? sounds like the 60's
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04:24<fxiny>Nemoder: there is a little gxmms2 like that
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04:26<fxiny>a 60's guru ? like baba o'reilly.pdf ? :P
04:26<pekos>hehe - well. imagine a box with 3 nics and 3 ip-adresses to it. now, when i start up nfs-kernel-serer is always binds it to eth0. but i want it to bind to all 3 ip-aderesse on that server so i can adress them separately from exports of potential others nfs-servers
04:27<dpkg>i guess guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ...
04:28<fxiny>only 3 ? i can have a gazillion on my etch 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 powered box
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04:46<jenipapo>hi all
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04:55<nowhere_man>I didn't manage to boot my system correctly from grub rescue prompt
04:55<nowhere_man>I tried to boot an LVM system
04:56<nowhere_man>now in the grub2 rescue, I set the root var to /dev/vg1/root, selected the vmlinuz and initird from a non-LVM FS, then booted
04:57<nowhere_man>my systems warms up, and just after the VGs are activated, I get:
04:57<nowhere_man>Begin: Waiting for root filesystem...
04:58<twb>Isn't that a kernel message?
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05:00<nowhere_man>yes, then I get to a prompt because the initrd didn't find the root, and /proc/cmdline shows me that GRUB2 didn't add a "root=" in the kernel command line
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05:01<twb>nowhere_man: you have to add root= manually.
05:01<nowhere_man>twb: yeah, I just didn't know how, I found out
05:01<nowhere_man>the linux command of grub accepts manually provided arguments
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05:02<twb>...that's what I use, on a Grub 2 system with a single LVM PV directly on top of a RAID1 partition, and no separate /boot partition outside it.
05:03<twb>I had to patch grub-pc to recognize LVM-on-RAID in the grub-update script.
05:03<whadar>is there any param for umount that cause it to not return failure even when failed, like mkdir -p?
05:04<nowhere_man>twb: is an unpatched grub supposed to recognize an LVM-only system?
05:04<twb>whadar: umount foo ||:
05:04<nowhere_man>and where's your patch?
05:04<twb>whadar: in sh.
05:04<twb>nowhere_man: it is.
05:05<twb>Currently, AFAIK, GRUB 2 can boot either LVM or RAID OOTB, but not together.
05:05<twb>Some patches may be in the BTS, but I think the rest is just sitting on my server in /root.
05:05<nowhere_man>on my both systems, grub-install shows the following error "grub-probe: error: Cannot detect partition map for vg1-root"
05:05<twb>It wasn't a correct fix.
05:07<whadar>twb: thanks
05:07<whadar>what is the |: thing?
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05:07<whadar>pipe it into : ?
05:08<twb>I mean to say, the fix worked by cheating, by assuming any confusing RAID-like system is LVM on RAID
05:08<twb>whadar: please pay attention.
05:08<twb>whadar: || is a logical OR operator.
05:08<twb>whadar: : is a shell builtin which behaves congruently to /bin/true.
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05:09<whadar>twb: oh right!
05:09<whadar>I forgot this stuff sorry
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05:13<twb>I have a serious complaint about NetworkManager in Sid.
05:13<twb>I do `sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' in screen, as a NIS user. dbus gets reinstalled, and in the process restarts network manager. This kills NIS, so screen stops accepting output from aptitude... which means the postinstall script doesn't finish, and NM doesn't restart... meaning that NIS doesn't come back.
05:13<twb>So, in effect, I'm locked out of the system until I physically go to it, login as root, and bounce the eth0 inferface.
05:13<twb>Over the last six months this has happened half a dozen times :-/
05:14<twb>I suppose I should learn by now that any package upgrades should be done in a sudo -i, but I always forget.
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05:18<dondelelcaro>twb: you should probably file a bug, but secondarily, network-manager really should not be used on remote machines, because it's total crap.
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05:20<twb>Really the only reason I have it installed was because I was afraid to purge it.
05:21<dondelelcaro>I've actually never had it installed myself, but people I know have had no end of troubles with it
05:21<twb>It's a workstation that connects via a single ethernet aable to a WRT router.
05:21<twb>Using DHCP
05:21<dondelelcaro>the main place where it seems really useful is when you've got laptops in multiple wireless networks
05:21<weasel>nm makes some amount of sense on a laptop, but on anything else?
05:21<twb>So I don't imagine I need the wanky "what network am I on today?" stuff
05:22[~]dondelelcaro personally just goes ifup wireless=foonetwork;
05:22<twb>I think it got installed by tasksel, or maybe gnome when I hadd gnome and xfce installed for-the-hell-of-it.
05:22<dondelelcaro>ah; yeah, it's a gnome bit
05:22<flexy>I'm thinking of upgrading hardware... is the new AMD 770 / SB600 chipset (phenom platform) supported yet?
05:23<dondelelcaro>flexy: if the kernel supports it, you can run debian on it
05:23<twb>flexy: in general, I would avoid anything less than a year old.
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05:24<dondelelcaro>(so you'd have to look up the precise chipset and controllers that you care about)
05:24<flexy>dondelelcaro: I grabbed the new kernel sources, could not find any options about those in make menuconfig
05:24<twb>But then, I avoid all laptops and all graphics cards, too
05:24<dondelelcaro>flexy: well, they may not need specific drivers for that chipset. What doesn't work, and what does lspci say?
05:25<flexy>twb: that's my previous understanding also, but stayed now 5 years with same HW, time to upgrade. thought that perhaps things are better now :)
05:25<twb>flexy: if you really want to, the best way to test it is to find some sales droid in one of those fancy shops where they have come machines unwrapped and running, and boot Debian Live on it.
05:25<twb>methinks I need to bump up SSH's QoS bucket so I can type in real time.
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05:26<flexy>dondelelcaro: no, nothing like that. Not bought that platform yet, just asking that if I get one now, am I buying stuff that works after 6 months or so
05:26<twb>You can never be sure about that.
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05:26<twb>The guy working on the driver could get hit by a bus, for example.
05:26<flexy>twb: ok, that I did not think about :)
05:27<flexy>twb: or, even by a woman! :D
05:27<twb>He'd probably survive being hit by a woman.
05:28<twb>Unless she was wearing cesti or something.
05:28<flexy>twb: yes, but that would probably take ages... no driver... :)
05:29<flexy>well, anyway, I just thought that perhaps here some one has that platform
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05:30<twb>flexy: google is probably a better place to check
05:31<twb>Get the model names, and search for them.
05:33<flexy>yep, I tried that. It seems that the hardware is so new, that google does not find about anything with model names + linux
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05:46<valdyn>flexy: any reason why that "platform" needed specific support?
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05:47<calamari>because of my old world mac, I'm forced to use an older installer than the cd I actually want to install.. I'm wondering if it's possible to start the newer installer from inside the old? I can access the installer cd
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05:49<twb>I thought Debian worked on Old World, and Ubuntu didn't.
05:50<calamari>twb: well, they seemed to have stopped producing hard drive boot images after woody
05:50<valdyn>calamari: why bother?
05:50<valdyn>calamari: any installer that works is ok.
05:50<twb>calamari: the CD boot image worked for me
05:50<calamari>valdyn: didn't know that.. wanted to make sure I didn't brick the machine
05:50<calamari>twb: can't boot off the cd image on mine
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05:51<twb>calamari: you tried holding Cmd + c?
05:51<twb>Maybe Cmd + Opt + c, I forget
05:51<calamari>twb: cmd +c ? no.. just c
05:51<twb>Googele will know
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05:51<calamari>so I can install etch from the woody installer, and that's ok?
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05:52<twb>calamari: no, you'd install woody and then dist-upgrade to etch
05:52<calamari>twb: ahh, I see
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05:53<twb>I'm trying to backup a proprietary peecee game CD using cdrdao read-cd
05:53<twb>I get Found L-EC error at sector 930 - ignored.
05:53<twb>For a whole bunch of sectors.
05:53<valdyn>twb: expected
05:53<valdyn>twb: aka copy protection
05:53<valdyn>twb: ( or a really broken disk )
05:54<Eulex>calamari, I found hd-media for sarge powerpc...
05:54<calamari>Eulex: that's in the wrong format, unfortunately
05:54<twb>I want to back it up so if the media gets too scratched I can make a fresh copy -- it needs the CD in the drive to play the game :-/
05:54<calamari>Eulex: there is the dumb initrd
05:54<twb>Can I circumvent the copy protection to this end?
05:55<valdyn>twb: copy protected cd means that it they really sell you broken cds
05:55<twb>I'd rather not bittorrent stuff I already own simply to avoid it.
05:55<twb>OK, thanks for telling me.
05:55<valdyn>twb: cant tell you if the copy will be "ok" without trying to use it
05:56<valdyn>twb: right, but cracked cds might actually be the nicer solution
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05:56<twb>Apart from the expensive internet in my country...
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05:57<valdyn>twb: no-cd crack is small too
05:57<valdyn>twb: if there is one for your game that actually works
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05:57<valdyn>twb: ( online verification like in for instance makes it problematic )
05:58<twb>I wish people wouldn't bother with all this stupid proprietary crap, the copy protection is such a PITA
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05:58<valdyn>twb: sure, using the original legally obtained copy forces you to put the original cd in, whenever you play. It's a fucking bother
06:00<twb>Especially since CDs, even treated well, die after only a few decades
06:00<valdyn>i remember id software used to remove that copy protection after a few upgrades were out, that was something
06:00<valdyn>but usually it just stays a fucking bother
06:00<twb>I guess it annoys me more that I can't fix bugs in the game.
06:01<twb>For example, not being able to do a quick-load directly from the main menu, instead having to use a mouse to click "load" and then choose the quicksave
06:02<twb>Or using a totally unreadable font, which isn't just a standard font file in the /usr directory for the game
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06:02<twb>So you can't replace it just by changing the contents of that file
06:02<twb>It's like spotting spelling mistakes in a dead tree book.
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06:05<debchi>i love ghizlane
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06:25<daffytheduck>hi im trying to get a usb heaset operating with moc the cmdline music player can anyone help
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06:25<cahoot>moc uses alsa?
06:26<daffytheduck>well im running another soundcard with it through alsa
06:26<fxiny>twb: can't you cp cp /dev/cdrom image.iso ? any errors ?
06:26<daffytheduck>and it workd fine with that
06:27<daffytheduck>ive checked aplay -l and the headset is recognized
06:27<cahoot>so you want to connect the output from card0 to the usb headset?
06:27<daffytheduck>i thought it was dsp
06:28<cahoot>I'd try jack via qjackctl
06:28<daffytheduck>not card0
06:28<daffytheduck>im lost
06:28<daffytheduck>im sorry
06:28<cahoot>daffytheduck: or simply want to be able to make moc output to the headset?
06:29<daffytheduck>that would be best
06:29<cahoot>daffytheduck: headset being card1?
06:29<daffytheduck>ill just check with a cat command ok
06:29<daffytheduck>i dont know which device it is
06:29<cahoot>daffytheduck: cat /proc/asound/pcm
06:29<daffytheduck>one sec
06:30<daffytheduck>03-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1
06:30<daffytheduck>capture 1 I suppose
06:31<cahoot>no alsa,hw:3
06:31<daffytheduck>do i add that to the moc config
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06:34<cahoot>daffytheduck: you have 4 sounddevices on the system?
06:36<daffytheduck>2 sound cards
06:36<daffytheduck>a microfone on a webcam
06:36<daffytheduck>and the headset
06:36<cahoot>daffytheduck: you probably want to take control over how those are loaded/numbered
06:37<daffytheduck>yeah i was thinking that
06:37<cahoot> - see 3.14
06:37<daffytheduck>i ran alsaconf to get the first card running
06:37<daffytheduck>k thnx
06:39<daffytheduck>im just looking at the config for moc to see if there is an option for assiging the sound card
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06:44<anedro>come faccio a installare il beryl da un archicio .tar?
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06:44<daffytheduck>ok i put this in the config AlsaDevice = alsa,hw:3
06:45<daffytheduck>and its still playing through the other card
06:45<cahoot>daffytheduck: yes the syntax is probably not correct
06:45<keyz>does anyone know how to get gimptool for gimp 2.4 ?
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06:46<daffytheduck>i notice in amarok the Headset can be identified as plughw:Headset
06:46<cahoot>try AlsaDevice = hw:3,0
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06:47<daffytheduck>its still a no go it seems the moc isnt loading the config for some reason
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06:49<mida>Is there a way to get state of a thread (e.g. sleeping) in pthreads?
06:49<cahoot>daffytheduck: does mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=3 <some.wav> play to the headset?
06:50<daffytheduck>ill give it ago
06:50<daffytheduck>i dont have a wav
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06:50<daffytheduck>only ogg flac mp3
06:51<cahoot>whatever mplayer can handle
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06:52<daffytheduck>ill have to install mplayer
06:52<cahoot>daffytheduck: no
06:53<daffytheduck>what about aplay
06:53<cahoot>it's possibly better
06:53<daffytheduck>what about aplay -o device
06:53<cahoot>aplay -D 'device'
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06:56<daffytheduck>ill have to decompress one of these flacs one sec
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07:01<daffytheduck>aplay: set_params:962: Unable to install hw params:
07:02<daffytheduck>it wont play the wav i made
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07:03<cahoot>daffytheduck: aplay -L should list available devices
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07:16<ramoonas>hi all, how can i roll back samba version. I mean, after samba server update it gave me whole bunch of new problems with other machines trying to access it through smbfs. Since i have work to do, i need smbfs to work, so i thought it would be good to roll back samba version until i have time to look more closely at the issue
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07:19<Napta>wait, does it seg fault ?
07:20<ramoonas>it dumps a core
07:20<Napta>There is another person with the exact same problem
07:20<ramoonas>this happened shortly after update
07:20<ramoonas>i did update today
07:20<Napta>There is a person on debian/efnet with the same issue
07:20<ramoonas>i think its a bug with smbfs
07:21<ramoonas>do you know how i can contact him?
07:22<Napta>details in pm
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07:23<heebie>Hi. Upgrading samba, samba-common, smbclient, and smbfs from 3.0.24-6etch4 -> 3.0.24-6etch5 has hosed one of my fileservers.. anyone have any ideas on this?
07:23<ramoonas>hi heebie
07:23<ramoonas>same i have the same problem
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07:24<heebie>It's a new upgrade as of yesterday..and I wanted to just revert to the previous version.
07:24<ramoonas>yes i want that too, but i dont know how to roll it back
07:25<fxiny>ok lemme check my samba
07:25<heebie>I'm trying to figure that out myself. In the meantime I'm going to try re-isntalling the version that cause the break, and re-build my configuration for the shares and workgroup name etc..
07:26<keyz>i'm looking for a good auditing tool for sql injection, but i don't know wich one to choose, would you recommend me one?
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07:29<bartm>keyz: vi :)
07:31<fxiny>no problems here (etch) connecting a windows vmware to this box via samba
07:31<keyz>why not, but the project is really big, and i'm not use to find such exploits in the code ... so a tool would be welcome ;)
07:31<fxiny>what else i should check ?
07:32<ramoonas>yes i notices that windows does not have any problems connecting
07:32<ramoonas>i think it is a problem with smbfs
07:32<ramoonas>i am downgrading it now
07:32<heebie>ramoonas: How are you downgrading it?
07:32<heebie>What command are you using? I can't find anything in the man pages, or via google so far :(
07:32<fxiny>so where's exactly is the problem ?
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07:34<ramoonas>heebie, do you know exactly which pacakges were updatet? i kind of missed that part
07:34<heebie>ramoonas: Yes. [UPGRADE] samba 3.0.24-6etch4 -> 3.0.24-6etch5 [UPGRADE] samba-common 3.0.24-6etch4 -> 3.0.24-6etch5 [UPGRADE] smbclient 3.0.24-6etch4 -> 3.0.24-6etch5 [UPGRADE] smbfs 3.0.24-6etch4 -> 3.0.24-6etch5
07:34<fxiny>how can i reproduce what you are saying ?
07:35<ramoonas>fxiny: try to mount some password protected share using mount -t smbfs
07:35<heebie>fxiny: I have a Linux host with a share on this server mounted. Mounting it works fine, but ls -lr /<mounted-directory> causes a segfault on the srever.
07:35<fxiny>ramoonas: debian to windows ?
07:35<ramoonas>debian to debian
07:36<heebie>Mine is Gentoo to Debian
07:36<GuHHH>how can i make a script on /etc/skel thats is executed automatically everytime a user is created? i want to add a quota to the users automatically.
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07:37<heebie>GuHHH: I think that would go in your conf file for useradd.
07:38<GuHHH>heebie: what if im using ldap?
07:38<heebie>That I wouldn't know. :(
07:38<heebie>ramoonas: Have you found a command in dpkg to let you install a specific version?
07:39<ramoonas>dpkg -i <packagefile>
07:39<dpkg>package <packagefile> is already installed
07:39<ramoonas>but i need to get older debs
07:39<ramoonas>i only managed to get libsmbclient
07:39<valdyn>heebie: apt-get install package=version
07:39<ramoonas>which does not help actually
07:39<valdyn>heebie: for all versions available ( see "apt-cache policy <package>" )
07:40<heebie>valdyn: OOH.. that could be very very helpful. :)
07:40<valdyn>heebie: mind, that'S rarely useful, unless you are using sid and are hit by a new bug that is not in testing
07:41<gsimmons>reynaldo, heebie, fxiny: See BTS bug #451839. The recent fix for CVE-2007-4572 appears to be the cause. The workaround is to mount using cifs instead (smbfs is deprecated).
07:41<heebie>valdyn: The package I need to downgrade to is still available =D
07:41<ramoonas>yes same here ;)
07:42<valdyn>no one should use smbfs unless he needs to connect to windows98 or somesuch
07:42<heebie>gsimmons: Also valuable to know!
07:42<valdyn>( or nt4 maybe )
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07:43<valdyn>GuHHH: /etc/skel/ contents are only copied, not run
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07:43<heebie>is there a cifs-tools package necessary?
07:43<valdyn>heebie: no
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07:44<fxiny>i can connect without problems using smbc
07:44<fxiny>but i will close this samba crap NOW :=)
07:44<heebie>Mounting via CIFS fixed it from linux. :)
07:45<ramoonas>fxiny smbc works for me either
07:46<fxiny>ramoonas: this is > Installed: 1.0.1-1 vesion
07:46<fxiny>a relic from the windows war :P
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07:48<ramoonas>valdyn: what packages do i need to mount using CIFS? and how do i mount it?
07:48<heebie>No issues mounting & accessing from Windows.. only from linux..and that's fixed by using cifs instead of smbfs. Thank you very much Valdyn, gsimmons et al.!
07:48<heebie>remoonas: I just changed smbfs to cifs in my /etc/fstab for those filesystems and remounted
07:48<ramoonas>give me a sec ill try
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07:52<ramoonas>yes it works
07:52<ramoonas>thanks all of you for the help :)
07:52<ramoonas>i really apreaciate it :)
07:52<heebie>I'm glad it worked without downgrading the packages..that looked like it was going to be a PAIN!!!
07:53<ramoonas>somehow midnight commander stoped working :/
07:54<fxiny>mc uses cifs
07:54<ramoonas>nope, its just a problem that there was still some stuff mounted with smbfs
07:54<ramoonas>unmouted it, and it works fine now
07:55<ramoonas>ok thanks all, bye bye
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08:00<heebie>Once again, many thanks to valdyn, gsimmons and anyone else who had commentary that helped. :) I've got things sorted before hitting the office tomorrow, and because I am forewarned, I am forearmed, for any other upgrades I make to Debian fileserver that use samba. :) Adieu!
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08:37<rkos>this might not be a directly debian related question but...
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08:38<rkos>i made another partition and installed windows on it and once i installed it i had some problems and whatnot but anyways, i tried to get back to debian by activatign debian's partition and inactivating the windows one but now i just get "error starting the operating system" at startup
08:38<klaus>hi all
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08:39<witte>rkos: define activating and inactivating
08:39<PlAV>havent been around pc for month
08:40<PlAV>what happened to security debian org?
08:40<rkos>well the windows thing
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08:40<fxiny>rkos: where's the windows partition ? hda1 or 2 ?
08:40<rkos>diskpart -> select partition 1 -> activate
08:40<bartm>PlAV: how so ? problem?
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08:40<PlAV>bartm, cant acces
08:40<rkos>hda? windows is the second partition
08:41<witte>rkos: never try to do anything in windows regarding multiple os
08:41<witte>rkos: use grub to have a dual boot system
08:41<rkos>well can i do that now
08:41<PlAV>bartm, but accorting to web i have last security updates
08:42<bartm>PlAV: what is the error you get ? what is "cant access" ?
08:42<rkos>any chance to save the stuff i have on the debian partition? it still exists according to gparted
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08:42<PlAV>bartm, gnome, and lots of shiiz txt
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08:43<PlAV>bartm, red warnings in apititude
08:43<witte>rkos: normally everything should remain there, but i do not know how "evil" microsoft activate/unactivate is
08:43<bartm>PlAV: are you sure you have followed the instructions here ?
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08:43<PlAV>bartm, how old are instructions?
08:43<rkos>well how should i go about getting back to my debian partition?
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08:44<fxiny>rkos: the second partition ? iirc the pig wants the first one , not sure if something changed
08:44<witte>rkos: boot a live cd (or the rescue cd) and reinstall grub
08:44<rkos>xp let me install it on the second partition
08:44<rkos>so debian is on the first one
08:44<bartm>PlAV: really, it's not clear to me what the problem would be
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08:45<PlAV>bartm, ooo
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08:45<PlAV>tnx for links
08:45<N`Kr1pt>Hi guys, I finally got my external monitor working on my macbook using xrandr; but when I disable the laptop screen (LVDS) and enable output on the external monitor, everything goes fien for a few seconds, but after that the external screen starts freaking out
08:45<rkos>the debian install cd? i can install something separately from that?
08:45<bartm>PlAV: problem is solved ?
08:45<N`Kr1pt>is this problem related to the ModeLine in xorg.conf?
08:46<witte>rkos: what do you mean? I do not understand your question
08:46<rkos>with what do i reinstall grub
08:46<klaus>hi all,
08:46<klaus>does someone know a problem with mounting of usb devices under gnome?
08:46<klaus>FAT: Unrecognized mount option "uhelper=hal" or missing value
08:46<PlAV>bartm, time to do some work, will be solved verry soon
08:46<klaus>i get always this errormessage
08:46<klaus>a manually mount "mount /dev/sdb /mnt" works fine
08:47<witte>rkos: you boot from a cd, you mount your partition, chroot into it and run grub-install /dev/hda or somethign like that
08:47<PlAV>bartm, pc was down for a month
08:47<PlAV>maany tnx for link to instuctions
08:47<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
08:47<witte>PlAV: did you aptitude update
08:47<rkos>okey, thanks
08:47<bartm>PlAV: is the power cable connected? :p
08:48<PlAV>bartm, im oniline from that machine
08:48<PlAV>apt-get update aptitude first
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08:53<adii>konqueror takes ages to open
08:53<adii>like 5 min after I click on the icon
08:53<adii>is there something i can do to speed it up
08:53<adii>(nothing else lags this way)
08:53<PlAV>what is a full line for security updates in sources.list?
08:54<witte>adii: maybe you can use strace to see where it is so slow
08:54<PlAV>bartm, gnome did something wrong through synaptic settings
08:54<witte>adii: but that strace output may well be not very readable
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08:55<PlAV>* Ping reply from bartm: 0.14 second(s)
08:57<PlAV>bartm, deb etch/updates main contrib non-free ?
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08:57<bartm>PlAV: well yes, that's documented on the website, right?
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08:57<PlAV>bartm, yap
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08:57<fxiny>always ready :) security contrib non-free ?
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08:58<PlAV>bartm, what about /pool thing
08:58<bartm>PlAV: that was just to prove that the download site is not down
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08:59<PlAV>bartm, it is down
08:59<PlAV>from my point of view
08:59<PlAV>ip is live bartm
09:00<PlAV>but nothing on port 80
09:00<javierf>hi there, some one konws where can I ask some questions about kde on debian?
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09:00<bartm>PlAV: isn't this on port 80 ?
09:00<gsimmons>javierf: Probably best to ask in #debian-kde.
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09:00<PlAV>hm wrong paste :)
09:01<PlAV>it is up bartm
09:01<jenipapo>hi all
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09:01<jenipapo>I am unable to set my fstab in order to access rw to a NTFS patition
09:01<jenipapo>Debian Lenny
09:01<jenipapo>Could somebody help ?
09:02<gsimmons>jenipapo: Do you have ntfs-3g installed?
09:02<javierf>gsimmons thanks
09:02<jenipapo>only ntfs
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09:02<bartm>jenipapo: google is happy to explain it :)
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09:02<dpkg>i guess ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
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09:02<witte>javierf: there is also #debian-kde
09:02<witte>but if nobody is there, you can ask here
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09:03<jenipapo>bartm I search on google : gid, uid, umask... But dont work
09:03<gsimmons>jenipapo: Once you have ntfs-3g installed (there's a package for it in lenny), see for a /etc/fstab example regarding its use.
09:04<bartm>jenipapo: I asked google for "ntfs fstab" :)
09:04<javierf>witte: thanks
09:04<adii>i've tested that strace konqueror
09:04<adii>and it's stopping at : "bind(12, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 16) = 0
09:04<adii>connect(12, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 16"
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09:04<jenipapo>gsimmons: ok
09:04<adii>but i've no clue what it means
09:05<witte>adii: I told that strace output is not easy to debug :P
09:06<adii>yea i can see that now
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09:06<witte>adii: it has something to do with connections on port 111 to the home IP I think
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09:07<adii>that's the next chunk of log
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09:08<adii>if it makes you think of anything interesting :)
09:08<witte>do you have nfs mounts?
09:09<jenipapo>gsimmons: thats working except the driver claims that my kernel is too old. Thank tou
09:09<jenipapo>gsimmons: Thank you
09:10<adii>nop :/
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09:10<gsimmons>jenipapo: See <>.
09:11<javierf>how can I configure my kde to open pendrives in their actual mount point and not in system:/media/sdb1 when it is /media/kingston... maybe system:/media/kingston
09:11<witte>adii: sorry, can't help, somethimes the strace output gives a clear hint on where to look, but in this case it does not for me...
09:11<jenipapo>Yes I saw
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09:12<cahoot>javierf: sounds like you should look at /dev/disk/by-uuid
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09:13<cahoot>javierf: and config fstab accordingly
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09:16<adii>witte thanks anyway for your helping me :) at least I've discovered strace command ^^
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09:17<Stucko>It's so strange...every time I copy my config file over and run 'make bzImage', it overwrites my config file!!!
09:17<jenipapo>Is there a debian packet for 6.20 or sup kernel-image ?
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09:19<Munkee>I'm trying to compile flashsupport.c to get OSS sound support back in flashplayer but get a compile error mentioning /usr/lib/crt1.o. Is the problem with this file or is flashsupport.c the problem? The error was undefined reference to `main'.
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09:20<cahoot>simply using alsas ossemulation is no option?
09:21<cahoot>doh - sorry
09:21<Munkee>no worries
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09:23<deck>hi everybody
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09:24<Munkee>I just don't understand anything much about cc and its errors.
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09:25<deck>anyone can help me with a problem of conenction
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09:26<bartm>it seems that deck has a problem with his connection :)
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09:28<javierf>cahoot: fstab must not have any line about the sdb device in order to get it automounted... it works well. My problem is that when I open my pendrive it get opened using a false direcction like system:/media/sdb1
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09:32<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:33<mildner>anybody know how to run flashplayer on iceape 64bit browser?
09:34<Munkee>mildner: nspluginwrapper
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09:34<bartm>mildner: yes
09:35<bartm>mildner: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
09:35<mildner>thats all?
09:35<bartm>what more would you expect?
09:35<Munkee>restart the browser...
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09:35<bartm>well yeah right
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09:36<toan59>nobody here?
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09:37<mildner>sorry I was kicked out
09:37<bartm>toan59: many people here, but we're all ignoring you :)
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09:37<mildner>with apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree I get an error
09:37<toan59>i am french soory
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09:37<bartm>toan59: never apologize for who you are and for the distro you use :)
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09:38<bartm>mildner: what's the question I will ask you now?
09:38<mildner>flashplayer for 64bit browser
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09:52<a2npoenya>siapa ini
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09:53<witte>a2npoenya: what are you trying to do?
09:54<a2npoenya>i want to connect with you
09:54<witte>a2npoenya: good for you, i am not interested
09:55<witte>a2npoenya: if you have a debian related question just ask
09:55<witte>otherwise go out and play
09:55<a2npoenya>what you mean?
09:55<Munkee>the statement about a typewriter, complete works of william shakespeare and an infinite amount of time springs to mind. I'm sure I'm forgetting something though...
09:55<witte>Munkee: :-)
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09:56<lupine>Munkee: infinite time in a finite universe? proposterous :p
09:56<jenipapo>On a ntfs-3g partition, root can mount, no users, why ? rw,users,exec,gid=100,uid=1000,umask=000 0 0
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09:56<a2npoenya>what do you come from, can i know
09:56<Munkee>lupine: You can't fool me, its just turtles, turles all the way down...
09:57<lupine>it was
09:57<lupine>turtle soup is very nice, incidentally
09:57<jenipapo>Somebody can help ?
09:57<lupine>jenipapo: correct permissions on the mount point? uid & gid correct?
09:57<a2npoenya>what your problem
09:57<Munkee>lupine: I'm a vegetarian and therefore try to avoid endangered species
09:57<lupine>me too, but it's a good joke
09:58<JasonS>havent had turtle soup but if i can catch it it's food
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09:58<jenipapo>lupine: gid is users one
09:58<jenipapo>uid is mine
09:58<petemc>JasonS: you would like to think you could catch a turtle
09:58<a2npoenya>some, can u help me
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09:59<petemc>a2npoenya: if you ask a debian related question, perhaps
09:59<Munkee>Turtles are big from what I saw on Discovery and the likes. They bite as well, and it hurts by all accounts!
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10:05<onliner>haloo adii
10:05<jenipapo>lupine: an idea ?
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10:05<onliner>what idea
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10:06<onliner>jenipapo : what do you come from
10:07<onliner>because i new member
10:07<jenipapo>I yet ask questions a few moment ago about ntfs
10:07<jenipapo>I can mount in root
10:07<jenipapo>not as a normal user
10:08<jenipapo>rw,users,exec,gid=100,uid=1000,umask=000 0 0
10:08<onliner>what you mean i abnormal
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10:10<onliner>staz : what do you think about good scenery
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10:16<m_g>hey there, anybody a guess why i get "connection reset by peer" when i sshfs to a host which i can ssh to?
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10:16<petemc>m_g: does your ssh session die after a period of inactivity?
10:16<m_g>petemc, probably, i didn't try yet
10:17<petemc>if so, thats generally a firewall
10:17<m_g>can i workaround that?
10:17<a2n>someone: can u help me solve my pro blem?
10:17<m_g>without changing on the server side?
10:17<petemc>there are tcpkeepalive options, not always effective tho
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10:18<petemc>a2n: if you have a problem with debian, just ask
10:18<witte>m_g: could also be ssh timeout in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or /etc/ssh/sshd_config
10:18<JasonS>a2n: try telling us the problem first
10:18<witte>m_g: look for the option "ConnectTimeout"
10:19<witte>m_g: with sshd_config on the server and ssh_config on the client
10:19<m_g>witte, the option is not activated.. should i try ConnectTimeout 0?
10:19<witte>m_g: by default is it disabled, so it would not timeout
10:20<witte>m_g: but the server could be set differently
10:20<a2n>my computer can't install the program
10:20<a2n>what wrong
10:20<mildner>what is the best backup programm
10:20<petemc>a2n: ask a sensible question
10:20<petemc>m_g: i use dirvish
10:20<petemc>erm, mildner ^^
10:21<witte>a2n: "The program", "can't",... now we know what your problem is....
10:21<m_g>too bad, can't change the settings on server side so looks that i'm screwed :(
10:22<witte>mildner: define best :-), probably a system admin in a big company will think differently than backups on a home network ;-)
10:22<witte>m_g: the server has timeout enabled?
10:22<witte>m_g: you could send keepalive messages from the client side
10:23<m_g>witte, i don't know, i'm just a user on that host.. i use rsync over ssh to transfer content, now i tried sshfs
10:23<a2n>the runing os is normal but if i will install a utility program my comp suddenly shutdown
10:23<m_g>witte, can you give me a hint on how to do this please?
10:23<mildner>witte: I have a 64bit lenny system....and I like to backup system files aswell as personel data
10:23<m_g>(btw, i'm using pubkey authentication if that matters)
10:24<witte>mildner: my backup system is just copying/synchronizing to a server, so that is not the most intelligent system, but it is extreem easy to do :-)
10:25<mildner>it sounds good
10:25<a2n>jasonS : you know answer my problem
10:25<JasonS>a2n: no because you havent told us anything
10:26<a2n>ok thanks
10:26<m_g>witte, i passed -o TCPKeepAlive.. same :/
10:26<mildner>witte: lately I tried to make my flashplayer running and after that my iceape didn't work anymore, thats why I will setuo a backup now before I will change any settings
10:27<a2n>jasonS : if I may know, what your background study?
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10:27<JasonS>a2n: what did you install? how did you install it?
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10:28<witte>m_g: i am searching the web, and it seems an server option, can you contact the site admin where you connect to and ask him? maybe he will just enable it :-)
10:28<mildner>petemc: what iss erm?
10:28<a2n>driver printer
10:28<m_g>witte, thanks for this :) i can try to ask him
10:28<wan>hi am new man
10:29<m_g>witte, which option is it?
10:29<a2n>jasonS : if I may know , what do you background study
10:29<witte>mildner: ah, you want system backup, and not data, well, that is in princible the same, but the backup system requires a large backup space
10:30<JasonS>a2n: what does that have to do with your problem?
10:30<witte>m_g TCPKeepAlive yes
10:30<wan>i want speak with you.
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10:30<a2n>jasonS: in order to we can sharing some thing
10:30<m_g>witte, oh ok, thanks :)
10:30<JasonS>i see sunday is in full swing
10:30<mildner>witte: what do you call large?
10:31<witte>mildner: the same amount as the actual thing you want to have backed up
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10:32<a2n>haloo michan
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10:32<wan>am wan
10:32<a2n>who can indonesian
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10:33<wan>want join.
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10:33<mildner>witte: I like something like I was used to on windows.....a date to restore the system more less
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10:34<witte>mildner: there are better backup systems, such as mondo or dirvish (according to petemc)
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10:34<a2n>witte: aku bingung sing kok tulis
10:35<witte>a2n: english please, and grow up, this is NOT a chat channel, this is a debian support channel
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10:36<a2n>ok, what mean debian support channel
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10:37<witte>a2n: that the topic of this channel is debian
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10:37<a2n>witte : ok, sorry i dont know.
10:38<a2n>witte : what different ubuntu with debian
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10:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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10:40<iamtravis>hello, my kern.log file has been quiet in the last two days, so i tried waking it up, made a core dump to make sure that logged which it did, but my firewall 'arno's iptables' isn't logging any sorts of packet scans, but it used to
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10:41<iamtravis>i didn't change any settings, except adding some extra logging
10:41<iamtravis>tried with all the TCP scans and an os scan, it usually logs whenever i get a connect attempt etc
10:41<mildner>witte: I need something with a grafical display
10:42<witte>mildner: don't know, but what gives "apt-cache search backup | grep -i backup"
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10:43<witte>mildner: sorry, "apt-cache search backup | grep -i gui"
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10:44<witte>mildner: nothing it seems, but maybe bacula is something useful?
10:45<witte>mildner: or ibackup?
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10:48<a2n>jasonS: what there, a virus can defeat debian system
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10:49<a2n>jasonS : because i find yet a virus varian
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10:50<a2n>kolter: haloo
10:50<a2n>yau are bussy
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10:51<a2n>about virus defeat in debian
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10:52<thhp>Hi, I'm trying to install etch on i386 from floppies. The installer main menu doesn't match the description in the manual: I can't do much more than execute a shell. Can anyone help me out?
10:53<saturn>âñåì ïðèâåò
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10:54<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:54<saturn>êòî ìîæåò îòâåòèòü íà âîïðîñ ïî Xorg ?
10:54<iamtravis>nobody? i don't know what to check to test what's wrong with it, config file is the same as it was
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10:56<saturn>åñòü ðóñêîÿçû÷íûå?
10:56<JasonS>!tell saturn about ru
10:56<Eulex>saturn, #debian-russian @
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10:57<mildner>witte: how does ibackup work :(
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10:58<witte>mildner: I really have no idea, I do not use any of these things, I guess that there will be a manual somewhere?
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11:16<infinitycircuit>does anyone know the difference between CONCURRENCY=startpar and CONCURRENCY=shell in /etc/init.d/rc?
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11:54<kafst>hey,If I have a a linux partition and other partitions,how can I view the content from the other partitions while running on linux?
11:54<avu>kafst: depending on what fs is on those partiotions, you just mount them
11:54<cahoot>kafst: ntfs and/or vfat?
11:54<kafst>ntfs that is
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11:55<kafst>but how to mount them?
11:55<dpkg>somebody said ntfs was Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
11:55<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
11:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
11:56<kafst>so to view the ntfs partitions I must add that line from !ntfsro?
11:57<cahoot>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntf
11:57<cahoot>might be sd*
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11:57<cahoot>cat /proc/partitions to see
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11:58<risjh>i am getting lots of DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to port 67
11:58<risjh>and such on diffrent ports, when i am trying to use wireless
11:58<risjh>it worked before when i didn't have the wep key
11:58<cahoot>is this sid?
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11:58<risjh>no, i am on lenny ( if you asked me )
11:59<cahoot>yes ok
11:59<risjh>i am see the signal with iwlist scanning
11:59<risjh>but i can't seem to connect to it :/
12:00<cahoot>risjh: I think it's the weather - had the same experience today ;)
12:00<kafst>ah I got lost
12:00<kafst>I am running on ubuntu,so what's the first step for ntfs showing?:P
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12:01<cahoot> the first step would be /j #ubuntu
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12:01<risjh>cahoot: ? i am sitting right next to the wireless router :(
12:01<troken>who is from poland
12:01<troken>who is from poland ??
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12:02<risjh>troken: /j
12:02<cahoot>kafst: actually I believe ubuntu has a very good howto on its site
12:02<spuer>Hello I have a question about involving a default linux kernel and the limit of physical memory it can support.
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12:03<cahoot>the 686 kernel has highmem
12:03<spuer>I have 4 Gb of Ram and somehow it shows only 3 Gb
12:03<risjh>cahoot: how did you solve it?
12:04<cahoot>risjh: I just waited it out - but your problem might be another than mine - I've never used WEP
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12:04<risjh>cahoot: wpa?
12:04<cahoot>risjh: yes
12:04<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than 1GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
12:04<simondice>I from venezuela
12:04<risjh>cahoot: how do you connect to it? iwconfig interface essid something key s:pass ?
12:05<cahoot>risjh: using wpasupplicant
12:05<spuer>I have 2.6.18-5-k7
12:05<risjh>cahoot: how do i use it?
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12:06<cahoot>risjh: can paste my config if you like
12:06<monra>I'm looking for a program to design circuits ... i tried geda but don't like it. any ideas?
12:07<risjh>cahoot: yeah, that would be helpful, thanks
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12:07<witte>monra: there are a lot of design programs i think, but most of them are not free
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12:07<witte>monra: cadence and others
12:08<monra>witte, hm...? not any simple frees. i'm not looking something for pro's or so ... just simple and nice free for Debian :)
12:08<witte>monra: there is xcircuit
12:09<monra>which package name does it have?
12:09<witte>monra: or if it is really simple, try xfig
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12:09<witte>monra: xcircuit?
12:09<monra>i mean simple but i would like being able to add chips and so
12:09<witte>monra: xcircuit!
12:09<witte>that's the name ;-)
12:10<monra>Package xcircuit is not available,
12:10<kafst>if i'm running on ubuntu are my ntfs partitions supposed to have been mounted from the start?
12:10<witte>!tell kafst about ubuntu
12:10<witte>monra: it is in sid main
12:10<monra>witte, maybe i should change my apt source.list but what to add
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12:11<witte>monra: it was in sarge, it is in lenny and sid, but not in etch
12:12<witte>don't know why
12:12<witte>monra: do you want to draw only, or also simulate behavior
12:12<vortex>possibly RC buggy
12:12<vortex>so didnt make etch
12:12<monra>witte, also simulate would be nice
12:12<kafst>oh snap nobody's home on #ubuntu
12:12<jusae>if i wanted to created a shared directory, who would the owner be?
12:12<monra>witte, just installed xfig .. it's so simple .. i want to draw circuits with chips and not chips in xfig
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12:13<witte>monra, there are libs in xfig, but it is not perfect :-)
12:13<a2n>any one : who know about joomla chat please . i have trouble with my joomla site
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12:13<kafst>does anybody have an idea where could i see mounted ntfs partitions on ubuntu?:_s
12:13<cahoot>risjh: I'm obviously too lame to paste on debians bin - can msg you
12:13<monra>witte, i will try xcircuit ... but what should i add in my sources.list? for sarge or lenny a list?
12:14<witte>monra: you probably want to backport only xcircuit
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12:14<monra>witte, sorry. what does backport means?
12:14<risjh_>cahoot: did you paste it? sorry i was disconnected
12:14<witte>monra: and not switch to lenny
12:14<cahoot>risjh: I'm obviously too lame to paste on debians bin - can msg you
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12:14<witte>!simple lenny backport
12:14<risjh_>ok cahoot
12:14<witte>!simple sid backport
12:14<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
12:15<witte>monra ^^ and the same, but replace sid by lenny :-)
12:15<witte>monra: your mileage may vary
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12:17<monra>witte, hm? i edit some lines in sources.list and installed xcrcuit but no chips to see
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12:18<witte>monra: mm, long time ago that i used it (i am a power engineer, not a electronics engineer ;-))
12:18<mildner>is there a grafical interface for Bacula?
12:18<monra>witte, anyway i will try installing the libs in xfig? which are there? for chips adding i mean?
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12:19<witte>monra: xfig-libs package, but they are not the ones I would use (I think american standard)
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12:22<witte>monra: in xcircuit there are some symbols such as transistors etc. and some chips, but not that many
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12:22<monra>witte, i'm looking basically for many chips
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12:23<monra>74* and so chips like 7483 and so
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12:24<monra>which i just founds in xfig librarires
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12:26<Sicario>alguien tiene tiempo para echarme una mano?
12:26<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
12:26<witte>monra: good :-)
12:27<witte>monra: xfig is only drawing, and electric is maybe also an interesting program
12:27<witte>never used it though
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12:31<monra>witte, thanks... although all these seems a litlte hard working
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12:59<nextime>Hi. I have a problem with apt in sid: if i try to install a package from non official and "personal" repository, i get Hash Sum mismatch error even if the md5sum on the .deb say that it's ok. Any idea on what can cause this message?
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13:01<infinitycircuit>nextime, that's odd. do you have the latest gpg keys?
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13:01<nextime>infinitycircuit : gpg? it isn't md5 related?
13:03<infinitycircuit>nextime, yeah well it seems very odd if the md5sum still matches up which makes me think something might be wrong in the verification of the package's authenticity
13:03<infinitycircuit>nextime, but i don't really know
13:03<nextime>infinitycircuit : anyway, the gpg keyring is updated and the key for my packages on my repository is added and updated
13:04<mildner>does anybody use ibackup?
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13:10<Kebianizao>I'm about to install debian into my new laptop
13:11<Kebianizao>I would like to know what interesting things I could test so the installation is helpful for debian-installer and related stuff
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13:19<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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13:20<RandomJohn>hi there
13:21<RandomJohn>I'm using debian lenny and my girlfriend just installed kubuntu 7.10 on her laptop. now we want to transfer some data... any idea someone, how to mount folders on others pc's or how to create share-folders?
13:21<RandomJohn>we're both using kde, btw
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13:23<witte>RandomJohn: nfs, sshfs, cifs,... (although the latter one is not very suited for linux to linux communication)
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13:23<ancorey>en español
13:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:23<RandomJohn>witte: so you would suggest trying cifs first?
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13:24<witte>RandomJohn: no, it is *NOT* very suited
13:24<witte>RandomJohn: cifs is windows networking
13:24<infinitycircuit>RandomJohn, i recommend using sshfs
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13:24<infinitycircuit>RandomJohn, KNetAttach is in the debian repositories and is very easy to use to mount sshfs volumes
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13:24<witte>RandomJohn: nfs is the old unix file sharing protocol, which is good, only if you are behind a firewall as it is not very secure
13:25<RandomJohn>witte: sry, missread this one :)
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13:25<witte>RandomJohn: sshfs should be ok in any circumstance, but has a higher overhead than the other two (due to encription)
13:25<RandomJohn>infinitycircuit: i have that one installed, but my problem ist, how to create networkfolders
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13:26<witte>RandomJohn: on a normal home system (10 or 100 Mbit) with two 500 MHz+ pc's, sshfs is a good choise...
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13:27<RandomJohn>witte: this is exactly, what we have here
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13:27<RandomJohn>i guess we both need sshfs?
13:27<infinitycircuit>with sshfs i can get 6 mb/s on my home network
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13:27<infinitycircuit>RandomJohn, yes, sshfs is not in the default ubuntu install set
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13:28<RandomJohn>I'll try that, thanks :)
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13:28<witte>!tell RandomJohn about sshfs
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13:29<nareshov>Hi, what line do I need to have in my sources.list to install this: ?
13:30<faheem>Can someone tell me an easy way to find all programs that build depend on a particular program; in this case the ocaml compiler?
13:30<faheem>The word program should be reaplced by packages.
13:30<witte>!tell nareshov about non-free
13:31<faheem>nareshov: You could just download it off the web page. Are you using etch or sid?
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13:32<faheem>nareshov: Like witte said, just add non-free to the end of the relevant line in sources.list.
13:32<nareshov>I had nonfree instead of non-free
13:32<nareshov>no wonder
13:32<faheem>nareshov: Downloading would work too.
13:32<nareshov>I'd like aptitude to do it if it's possible
13:32<witte>nareshov: those errors are most difficult ones to find out :-)
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13:33<nareshov>yeah, and I have the other common problem - snd-hda-intel - no sound from the headphones
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13:33<nareshov>Is there a clean way to fix this? like using m-a ?
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13:34<cahoot>nareshov: alsamixer doesn't offer the option?
13:34<Kebianizao>simonrvn: thanks, but my question was not how to install it, but how to contribute testing the installation
13:34<nareshov>there's just Master and PCM there
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13:34<nareshov>and the sound comes out of only the laptop speaker, not the headphones when plugged in
13:34<simonrvn>use the testing isos and try them out, and report bugs
13:35<simonrvn>Kebianizao: ^^^. wasn't clear what you meant from your question. glad you clarified
13:35<cahoot>nareshov: ok - don't know if m-a will produce an updated alsa-version - but can hardly harm
13:36<Kebianizao>any special feature to pay more attention to? simonrvn
13:36<nareshov>what is the other way then?
13:36<cahoot>nareshov: personally I pulled in the src from
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13:37<nareshov>ah, I did the same on gutsy :|
13:37<simonrvn>Kebianizao: ask #debian-boot that. i'd say no, but i'm not on that team
13:37<Kebianizao>simonrvn: :) they forwarded me here
13:38<nareshov>in any case, let me see m-a first
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13:38<simonrvn>specific questions i'd ask them, simple questions here
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13:38<simonrvn>unless one of their team happens to sit in here too (which i doubt...)
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13:40<jaakko>How can I disable Knotify? I am using gnome, but knotify start every now and then (usually when I hear also "beep").
13:41<Kebianizao>removing it?
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13:41<jaakko>I would like to remove it yes, but what is the actual program? "aptitude remove knotify" does not work.
13:42<simonrvn>chmod -x /usr/bin/knotify ;p
13:42<Kebianizao>jaakko: aptitude purge kdebase
13:42<Kebianizao>simonrvn: that's very ugly
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13:43<Kebianizao>jaakko: how do you know it's knotify?
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13:43<nareshov>m-a worked
13:44<jaakko>Kebianizao: I see it startging in the desktop panel.
13:45<Kebianizao>jaakko: kcontrol?
13:45<jaakko>And that is all that actually happens, but I have to wait a while so I can continue working.
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13:46<muep_>is apt-build update equivalent to apt-get update?
13:46<nareshov>btw, I noticed a bug on the testing iso. (I noticed it twice - in two installs): After it gets the packages and stuff and while it's configuring xserver, just before it asks you the resolution dialog (ncurses installation) the screen turns bad. All screens (alt+f1, 2, 3, 4, etc)
13:46<jaakko>I tried "find /usr -name knotify" and got this "/usr/share/apps/knotify"
13:46<Kebianizao>that's a dir jaakko
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13:48<jaakko>Kebianizao: damn, I should found the program to disable it.
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13:49<Kebianizao>well, if you remove kdebase you shouldn't have that problem againg, but I think there's anything triggering it
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13:51<nareshov>awesome, m-a solved ipw3945 too! :D
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13:54<keith>Debian4.0: I installed libdvdcss2. I can watch some DVD movies but others still bring up the 'encrypted error' message. Do others out there have this problem and what is the solution?
13:55<nareshov>BTW, how do I enable bash-completion on sid? There's no bash-completion package
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13:56<Kebianizao>nareshov: . /etc/bash_completion
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13:56<Kebianizao>and/or enable it in your ~/.bashrc
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13:56<nareshov>need to uncomment last three lines of /etc/bash.bashrc
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13:57<jrolland-iMac>Is there something wrong with Filezilla in Synaptic?
13:57<Wild>Every time I try to list the contents of my winxp partition, it gives me "permission denied". I've tried changing the group to 'users' (which I am a member of', and it doesn't help. However, not suprisingly, it works as root. What do I do?
13:58<Kebianizao>nareshov: that would enable it system wide and maybe you don't want that
13:59<Kebianizao>Wild: how are you mouting that?
13:59<jrolland-iMac>More precisely, is there something wrong with
13:59<Wild>Oh, I mounting it via this line in /etc/fstab:
13:59<witte>!tell Wild about ntfs
14:00<witte>!tell Wild about ntfsro
14:00<witte>and one more:
14:00<Wild>'/dev/sda /media/winxp ntfs ro,noatime,noauto,user 0 0'
14:00<witte>!tell Wild about ntfs-3g
14:00<nareshov>How do I mount a vfat partition using nautilus ?
14:01<Kebianizao>Wild: sda is ntfs? won't it be sda1?
14:01<Wild>hda2, yes
14:01<Kebianizao>well, read what bot should have said you :)
14:02<Wild>I've tried changing the group assigned to the mountpoint from 'root' to 'users', which I am a member of, and it does not help. I get the same error.
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14:02<nareshov>Oh, cool, there are nice nautilus extensions in the repos
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14:04<Wild>It mounts fine, it's just that trying to perform any operation on a file on the partition results in 'permission denied'
14:05<Kebianizao>Wild: if using ntfs from linux kernel (not ntfs-3g) you should specify a mount option, e.g.: -o uid=myuser
14:05<Kebianizao>or specify a right mount mask option
14:05<Wild>I did specify the user option, and it does indeed change the mountpount's user to mine when mounted
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14:06<Kebianizao>Wild: mayb you should bypass the problem using ntfs-3g
14:07<Wild>it worked, thanks. But is there a may to tell mount to use the currently logged in user's uid for the option?
14:07<RandomJohn>witte: I still have some issues with sshfs here. I did as tho howto "" told me, and everything went finde, so long...
14:08<Wild>it worked, thanks. But is there a way to tell mount to use the currently logged in user's uid for the option?
14:08<RandomJohn>witte: but, when i try to mount the folder on the machine of my girlfriend, i just get "read: Connection reset by peer"
14:09<RandomJohn>I#m still very new to networking without samba and ssh
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14:11<RandomJohn>what is actualy the mentioned: "sshfs remote-system-name:/remote-folder /media/mount-name" remote-system-name here? IP in local network? Hostname of here machine?
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14:12<witte>RandomJohn: remote-system-name can be both
14:12<witte>try ip if you are unsure
14:12<RandomJohn>won't work :\ i treid
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14:13<jrolland-iMac>My Synaptic and aptitude won't read from the repository
14:14<jrolland-iMac>There's no problem with the repository
14:14<RandomJohn>witte: or do i need an user-account on her machine to do so?
14:14<witte>RandomJohn: yes you need one
14:14<jrolland-iMac>I downloaded the files from the repository manually and used dpkg to install the files
14:14<jrolland-iMac>Can someone help me troubleshoot Synaptic
14:14<witte>you need to be able to log into her machine using ssh
14:14<witte>and you need to be in the fuse group
14:14<RandomJohn>and then it's like myuseracc@remote-system-name:/remote-folder?
14:15<RandomJohn>I am in fuse group
14:16<witte>RandomJohn: I do not know by heart, never used it like that myself, I will try it now :-)
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14:18<jrolland-iMac>OK, does anyone know if Nautilus can read Microsoft FTP servers?
14:18<RandomJohn>witte: is there no easy way to exchange data in a local network?
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14:19<witte>RandomJohn: once it works, you put this in your fstab, and it will work very well
14:19<witte>RandomJohn: if it is a one time thing, you can also use plain ssh
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14:19<RandomJohn>witte: i see
14:20<witte>RandomJohn: or you use the commandline scp or you use something like gftp to log in on the other machine
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14:20<jrolland-iMac>Oh, well, I'll see you later; maybe someone will be willing to help then :)
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14:21<RandomJohn>witte: so basicaly we bove have to create new accounts on the other machines and vice versa and then try the login again?
14:22<witte>RandomJohn: I just tried sshfs, and it justs works
14:22<RandomJohn>witte: if you know what you're doing :)
14:23<RandomJohn>never tried ssh or something similiar, cause my girlfriend moved to ubuntu today... before she used XPee
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14:23<RandomJohn>which was pretty easy using samba
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14:23<witte>RandomJohn: you need to install ssh server on the machine that will deliver the files
14:24<RandomJohn>witte: aha
14:24<witte>RandomJohn: i think package ssh-server or just server
14:24<Foofty>hi i'm having some trouble getting my quickcam communicate stx on lenny, has anyone successfully achieved it? or know of a guide for lenny
14:24<witte>s/just server/just ssh/
14:25<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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14:25<RandomJohn>witte: openssh-server?
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14:26<witte>RandomJohn: ok, that one is good
14:27<RandomJohn>witte: do i need to configure the server after installing?
14:27<witte>RandomJohn: no, default should be ok
14:27<witte>RandomJohn: second thing you need: you need to have an account on the other machine
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14:28<witte>RandomJohn: after that you should be able to ssh "user_ad_ubuntu@ubuntumachine"
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14:29<RandomJohn>witte: simple "adduser name" is sufficient? or does that user need special rights?
14:29<witte>RandomJohn: that would be fine
14:29<fanto666>can I build ipw3945 modules with custom version prefix? module-assistant builds version 1.2.2.* while those from distribution are of version 2.6.*-1.2.2.*
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14:30<RandomJohn>witte: what would be fine? :D
14:30<witte>RandomJohn: adduser name
14:30<RandomJohn>witte: and thats it?
14:31<G-L1nk>Debian brazil please
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14:31<witte>RandomJohn: now you should be able to log in to the ubuntu machine using ssh: "ssh user_ad_ubuntu@ubuntumachine"
14:32<witte>RandomJohn: if that works, we can go to the next step, which is using sshfs ;-)
14:32<RandomJohn>witte: and which dir can i mount there?
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14:32<witte>RandomJohn: that is not yet mounting, just checking if it is working, just logging in to a remote pc
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14:35<RandomJohn>witte: ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused
14:35<RandomJohn>witte: she just added an account on her machine with all default values, if she was asked
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14:35<witte>RandomJohn: and you install openssh-server on the ubuntu machine of course?
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14:36<RandomJohn>ok, i did a quickshot... now its working
14:37<RandomJohn>installation wasn't rdy at the first try /blush
14:37<witte>ok :-)
14:37<witte>RandomJohn: now back to your machine
14:37<witte>go to your home directory
14:37<RandomJohn>i am
14:37<witte>and make a testdir: mkdir test_ssh
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14:38<aicos>does anyone know if there is a readline package for php5?
14:38<witte>RandomJohn: next thing, mount somehting there: sshfs name@ubuntu-machine:/tmp test_ssh
14:39<aicos>that is to say, a package that gives the readline capabilities (or functions) to php5
14:40<RandomJohn>ok, so far
14:40<fanto666>can I force (or prepend) version when building ipw3945 modules with module-assistant?
14:40<witte>RandomJohn: there should be somethign in that directory, and if you do mount, you should see it mounted
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14:40<RandomJohn>witte: yeah, i can see the content :)
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14:41<RandomJohn>very nice
14:42<witte>ok, so it does work, you need to do the same thing the other way around (install ssh server, add account for your wife, add her to the fuse group,...) on your machine
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14:42<witte>RandomJohn: next thing you should do is add the things that you really want to mount to your fstab
14:42<RandomJohn>witte: the IP as machine-name works, but not the host-name... we use dhcp
14:42<RandomJohn>witte: this might cause probs in fstab, not?
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14:44<witte>RandomJohn: you should have fixed IP, if you have a router that delivers the IP addresses, you most likely can fix that in the router config
14:44<witte>RandomJohn: and you also want to look at paswordless ssh connections
14:44<RandomJohn>witte: yeah, i already did that for me... that'll work, i just wanted to konw
14:45<witte>RandomJohn: fixed IP's or hostnames that are also delivered by the dhcp server are definately easier to use in fstab, but maybe there is a way to circumvent this?
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14:46<RandomJohn>witte: i could disable dhcp and enable static ips
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14:47<witte>RandomJohn: that could be an option, if the laptop never leaves the house and needs to get an ip over dhcp
14:47<panagos>how can i test which ports are forwarded?
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14:48<RandomJohn>witte: her laptop is actualy an desktop replacement... sometimes, she uses it at my place, but not so much at all
14:48<witte>RandomJohn: if you have access to the dhcp server, you can arrance something (like binding ip addresses to mac addresses or something
14:49<RandomJohn>witte: this is, what i did so far... ip-reservation depending on the mac adresse
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14:49<RandomJohn>witte: i would prefer identification via host-name instead of ip, tho
14:49<witte>RandomJohn: in that case the ip is semi fixed, and you can use it (and hostnames) in fstagb
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14:50<witte>well, if your ip is fixed, you can set up a hostname in /etc/hosts
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14:51<witte>RandomJohn: depending on your dhcp server, you can even let the dhcp server distribute the hostnames
14:52<RandomJohn>witte: it seems like my router already identifies her with her host-name... ths odd
14:52<RandomJohn>witte: i have a table there with: <IP> | <Name> | <MAC>
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14:53<witte>RandomJohn: that is ideal...
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14:54<RandomJohn>witte: but identifying her with myacc@her_machine_name won't work :\
14:54<witte>RandomJohn: /etc/hosts
14:55<RandomJohn><IP> ubuntu_machine_name ?
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14:57<RandomJohn>witte: done that
14:57<RandomJohn>works now
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14:58<xtremely>hi i got a confusing problem: i've installed debian unstable, installed xserver wmii and gdm, but when i execute /etc/init.d/gdm start i get a bluescreen "failed to start the x server..." but when i press Y to show the server output i get an empty list
14:58<witte>RandomJohn: you probably also want to do that on the ubuntu machine
14:58<RandomJohn>witte: i'll do that
14:58<mildner>any help on flashplayer 64bit lenny
14:58<RandomJohn>witte: and how would the fstab entry would look like?
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14:59<RandomJohn>witte: brb
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15:01<panagos>how can i test which ports are forwarded on my system?
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15:11<RandomJohn>witte: ok, and mounting with sshfs should also work, if we're not in the same LAN?
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15:11<witte>RandomJohn: yes, if you have ssh access, sshfs works
15:11<RandomJohn>witte: ok, my last question so far is: how can i locate her, if we're not in the same LAN?
15:12<witte>RandomJohn: I actually never used sshfs before, but now that i tested it, I attached my harddisc at work to my pc at home, so thanks for putting me to it ;-)
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15:12<RandomJohn>witte: :D
15:12<witte>RandomJohn: you need her IP
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15:12<witte>or the hostname at the other network
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15:12<RandomJohn>witte: not her LAN IP but her www ip?
15:13<witte>RandomJohn: that is the same?
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15:13<witte>or do you mean her wan side ip (that of the router) or the lan (behind the router IP)
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15:13<witte>in the latter case, ti wont work, and you need to forward ssh towards the lan IP
15:13<RandomJohn>my router gives her an ip, but the router itself gets it's from my provider, doesn't it?
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15:14<fanto666>can I somehow affect the version of packages module-assistant builds? it builds 1.2.2-1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 while in etch there's 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch2 ...
15:14<witte>RandomJohn: yes, that is the case
15:14<RandomJohn>and to get to her pc from outside of the lan, i need the router ip, i guess...
15:14<witte>RandomJohn: in your router you can forward ports
15:14<RandomJohn>and i have dynDNS :\
15:15<wfamy>i am looking any url talking about how create raid partition with debian installer using pressed.conf.
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15:15<witte>RandomJohn: it depends which pc is where: if you can ssh from inside your lan to her pc outside the lan, you do not need anythign special, it justs works (TM)
15:16<rohan>are there any plans for debian to have a livecd-iso-to-disk script like fedora, to easily convert cdrom iso to bootable pendrive ?
15:16<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live, or
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15:16<RandomJohn>witte: actualy we're both inside the same lan
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15:16<witte>RandomJohn: the other way it requires a bit more effort, but it can be done, if you have control over the router
15:17<witte>RandomJohn: inside the lan, you just need the lan IP
15:17<RandomJohn>witte: this is the way i did it until now... with the lan-ip
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15:17<wfamy>i have been fighting with preseed.conf for 2 entire day. I am looking for any working exemple under etch
15:19<RandomJohn>witte: ok, for now it's ok like that... i'll get deeper into this later, i think
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15:20<RandomJohn>witte: thank you very much for your effort :)
15:20<witte>RandomJohn: you are welcome ;-)
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15:55<Kebianizao>how could I get the raw partition table into a file
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15:56<petemc>fdisk -l /dev/hda > file
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15:57<Kebianizao>petemc: what if I don't have fdisk? I'm on debian installer
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15:58<petemc>what does the installer have?
15:58<petemc>check if it has a -l option, or equivalent
15:58<Kebianizao>no fdisk
15:58<Kebianizao>would /proc/partitions make it?
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15:59<Kebianizao>but I can't see the filesystem used there, right? :/
16:00<Kebianizao>I'll go on with the installation, maybe fdisk is provided later
16:00<petemc>the installer should list the partitions
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16:05<panagos>how can i test which ports are forwarded on my system?
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16:10<nareshov>panagos, ssh onto an external machine and nmap your machine
16:10<nareshov>those that are closed/filtered are the ones that aren't forwarded
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16:12<panagos>nareshov: will a machine on my local LAN do?
16:13<nareshov>if you want to check if the ports are fowarded to another machine on the LAN then yes
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16:14<panagos>nareshov: i want to check if my ports are forwarded to the Internet :D
16:14<nareshov>hehe, thought so
16:14<nareshov>do you use a proxy server for internet access or is it some NAT'ed box?
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16:18<panagos>nareshov: NAT box
16:19<nareshov>panagos, then you can use one of those online(web-based) port scanners
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16:19<petemc>will do a portscan on your ip
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16:27<panagos>telnet timed out!
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16:29<petemc>worked earlier, chap had only just finished writing it tho so perhaps hes taken it offline again..
16:30<rkos>how should i go about installing windows xp also so that i can dual boot?
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16:37<nightdragon>lol everybody uses ubuntu, eh?
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16:39<panagos>rkos: install xp normally on a new disk partition, then edit the boot loader's configuration
16:39<panagos>rkos: only take care not to overwrite your mbr
16:39<nightdragon>lol anyone looking to help? i could sure use it :)
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16:39<rkos>how do i edit the boot loaders conf
16:39<panagos>rkos: do you use grub?
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16:40<panagos>rkos: then it is /booot/grub/menu.lst that you need to edit
16:40<nightdragon>grub rules
16:40<rkos>tried yesterday to install windows xp but had some problems and had to reinstall grub to get back to debian
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16:40<rkos>and what do i need to edit
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16:40<witte>!tell rkos about grub-install
16:41<rkos>ok, i'll check it out
16:41<panagos>... :D
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16:43<nightdragon>umm... does anyone know the partition manager for linux?
16:43<nightdragon>what its caled?
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16:43<nextime>anyone with a "hash sum mismatch" problem using a non-official repository?
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16:43<witte>nightdragon: partition manager? such as gparted, cfdisk fdisk qtparted,...
16:44<miksuh>nightdragon: eg. gparted?
16:44<nextime>( a repository that was working with no changes on the repo side not many time ago )
16:44<nightdragon>holy shit it was uninstalled. what the fuck?
16:45<nightdragon>do i need to mount my SDA voulmes (the windows one) to access it?
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16:47<streuner>nightdragon: (c)fdisk
16:48<streuner>nah, its usually in basic installation
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16:48<nightdragon>see for some reason i cant access my windows partition
16:48<nightdragon>i WAS able to
16:48<nightdragon>but not anymore. weird
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16:49<streuner>just run "fdisk -l" (to see which partion(s) exist
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16:50<nightdragon>i wonder...
16:50<nightdragon>i hibernated in windows last time i used it.... i wonder if thats why i cant access it?
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16:51<seanius>aicos: search the bug reports, there's a non-technical reason why there's no readline in php
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16:51<seanius>you can enable it yourself by rebuilding the source package
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16:54<astol>Hi all, any networking guru here? Got a little problem with pptpd, and can't figure out how to debug.
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16:56<kminor>hey guys
16:56<ServerSide>mhh, wtf
16:56<nightdragon>anyone there
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16:58<ServerSide>mhh, i've a lil problem :
16:58<ServerSide>./et.x86: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:58<ServerSide>leo@debian:~/eth32/eth32nix_rc4$ locate libbfd | grep libbfd-2.18
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16:59<kminor>I had to uninstall libfam0 and use gamin and some other apps while setting up some apps on a freshly installed debian etch box...and this morning when i booted up, my filesystem is read-only.....I apologize if it's a dumb question, but I've followed the same process on 2 other etch boxes and have never had this issue..
16:59<Eulex>ServerSide, did you run ldd on et.x86?
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16:59<Eulex>man ldd
17:01<Eulex>run that command. it will tell you how to use ldd.
17:01<astol>The problem is, when I use simple snat with iptables, win clients access all websites perfectly, but when I use pptpd and snat their ip's on if-up (sound like the same, to me) some (most) sites refuse to open with symptoms like "connecting.. waiting for.. transferring from" and then stucking up forever
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17:01<ServerSide>ye ye
17:01<ServerSide>but.. lol
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17:02<ServerSide>leo@debian:~/eth32/eth32nix_rc4$ ldd -v /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/et.x86| not a dynamic executable
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17:02<astol>Where can you suggest to start from? I'm a little bit lost
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17:02<Eulex>ServerSide, strace it then. see what it's looking for and what it looks for but can't find
17:03<ServerSide>et.x86 is a game
17:03<Eulex>I do know that.
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17:04<ServerSide>too many lines returned
17:04<Eulex>that does not prevent you from running strace on it.
17:04<Eulex>ServerSide, you're supposed to interpret it yourself.
17:05<Eulex>but one tip: search for libbfd in the output text.
17:06<kminor>anyone know the best cmd to change rights for an entire filesystem?
17:07<Eulex>kminor, chmod -R, chown -R
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17:09<Eulex>kminor, what filesystem is this?
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17:11<kminor>Eulex: My entire system is read only...the only thing I did was install gamin, which uninstalled libfam0, installed some kernel headers and configured on next boot the entire ext3 partition is read only...for no good reason presumably
17:11<Eulex>kminor, that has nothing to do with permissions, remount it rw
17:11<witte>kminor: I like the usage of the word "only" in that explaination of yours
17:12<kminor>Eulex: I've tried that but I'll give it another's odd..
17:13<kminor>witte: heh, well you know...changes here, changes there :) lol
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17:17<kminor>witte: guess I should have used thing(s) plural instead of thing eh?
17:18<panagos>to move from stable to testing, i need to issue "apt-get dist-upgrade", or a mere "apt-get upgrade" is enough ?
17:18<witte>kminor: yeah :-). Well, I know what you ment, and I tend to get in those problems as well (little bit here, little different configuration there, and while we are at it we can do that as well... But after reboot... ;-))
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17:19<alastair>hai gais
17:19<alastair>anyone here?
17:20<alastair>ok, le me rephrase that, i realise there are loads of people here
17:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:21<kminor>this is just the weirdest thing though...I think the problem is within /etc/fstab, but I can't edit it
17:22<kminor>How do you remount your base partition with my case /dev/hda1 /
17:23<witte>kminor, there is a remount option to mount
17:23[~]kminor feels he should put on a hat with a spinning fan on top...ipheeldumb
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17:24<witte>kminor or you can always boot from a live/rescue cd
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17:24<kminor>witte: k, ill probably have to do the later, as ive tried the first
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17:27<kminor>ahh, it is fstab.....
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17:33<MagicMushroom>Atm I'm using 'xmodmap xmodmap.dvp' in a initfile for custom keymap. Any ideas on how I can switch back and forthe between keyboard layouts using this method?
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17:34<MagicMushroom>(that is using something like shift-shift)
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17:42<kminor>how was all of your holiday vacation this last week?
17:43<witte>kminor: most people probably had no vacation
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17:55<kminor>witte: out of the U.S. or just working alot of hours?
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17:55<witte>kminor: both :-)
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17:59<kminor>witte: btw, that problem I had was due to an error within /etc/fstab that was my fault. Turns out last time I was editing it I must have been in a rush because i pasted a copied line into the file with extra characters i did not notice which caused my system to error out and boot readonly
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18:00<kminor>witte: at least it was easy to fix, but man..what a dumb mistake...ive been using linux for years...
18:00<witte>kminor: good that you found it that fast
18:00<kminor>witte: or maybe i just had the urge to get on irc subconsciencely... :)
18:01<witte>kminor: you do not have to screw up your system before getting to irc :P
18:02<kminor>witte: well, the safeguard against that is A) my system was ro, so it could only have been mtab,fstab, or quota, misconfiguration. B) I couldn't modify anything that wasn't the cause of the problem, because the problem was that my system was readonly ...haha
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18:05<kminor>however, since I'm online...does anyone have the Uruk package installed on Debian Sid? I have been unable to remove or reinstall uruk...and I've tried all of the dpkg --force-* options applicable
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18:06<witte>Setting up uruk (20071101-1) ...
18:06<witte>no problem, just installed without any problems
18:07<kminor>I'm thinking the problem may have been due to an interruption during a Uruk upgrade due to my battery running out....but still, even with dpkg --force-all or won't reinstall or remove...exit's Error 6
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18:07<witte>kminor, ok, you are right, the package gives an error while removing
18:08<kminor>witte: yeah, it must be the maintainers fault...I haven't filed a bug yet though
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18:08<kminor>probably already out there...
18:08<takt>hi all
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18:10<kminor>I had a similar problem with dtc....I will never ever use another package from the dumbasses at gplhost, or for that matter, any maintainer who uploads a converted .deb or somehow else messed up .deb and UPLOADS it to a repository without even testing it on etch/lenny or sid...just makes me angry at times.
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18:13<witte>kminor: you can remove uruk if you do: cp /usr/share/doc/uruk/examples/rc /etc/uruk/rc before removal I think
18:13<witte>but i have to test that
18:13<witte>ok that works
18:14<kminor>witte: sweet, good thinking..
18:14<witte>do you file a bug report?
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18:17<witte>kminor: it is the file uruk.prerm that is giving the error when you did not have the config file /etc/uruk/rc. Can be solved by changing /etc/init.d/uruk or the prerm file itself
18:17<kminor>witte: I haven't yet...I think there may be one out there...but i haven't seen that quick fix out there that you thought of
18:17<witte>the fix is not the solution, that is a way to circumvent the problem
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18:19<witte>kminor: there is no bug reported like that against it, and you found it, so you can claim it ;-)
18:19<kminor>witte: yeah, but at least it letsya remove it so you don't have to see the error 6 msg everytime you install other pkgs or updates with apt
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18:21<kminor>witte: haha, ok...I'll mention ur nick for the workaround temp. solution :)
18:21<witte>kminor: ok, fine by me :-)
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18:22<error3>hi :-)
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18:50<witte>kminor: thanks for submitting the bug report
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19:16<jumpyshoes>does anyone know how to change your sceen resolution?
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19:17<streuner>!drxx jumpyshoes
19:17<dpkg>jumpyshoes: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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19:41<o7andrew>hi guys
19:41<o7andrew>yay for me, i just started using debian
19:41<weasel>oh noes
19:42<weasel>that'll probably mean you'll ask all sorts of questions here soon :)
19:42<o7andrew>yup, pro'lly real noob/lame ones too!
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19:43<o7andrew>at least i got gaim to get me in here though, I'm quite chuffed
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19:44<o7andrew>interestingly, i've never heard of epiphany and iceweasel before, but iceweasel is nice enough >firefox without the name i guess
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19:45<panagos>which key do i need to put into my keyring in order to install sun java testing without warnings?
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19:49<o7andrew>excuse me panagos, I can't install the firefox addons yet, but surely soon I will
19:49<o7andrew>panagos: are you using encryption?
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19:51<panagos>panagos: what do you mean?
19:51<o7andrew>:):)see ya later weasel:):)
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19:52<o7andrew>(panagos, i just had no idea what you'wre doing/ talking about)
19:52<panagos>oops! o7andrew: what do you mean by encryption?
19:52<panagos>oh, sorry, let me rephrase :D
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19:53<panagos>apt uses a public key infrastructure to identify "genuine" package versions
19:53<Xenguy>Hi - does anyone know offhand how to suppress annoying logging to the TTY console?
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19:54<dpkg>printk console is probably see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
19:54<panagos>in my system, i have some keys installed, but when i tried to install sun's java packages, aptitude warned me that i was missing some keys
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19:54<o7andrew>:):)see ya later all:):) (sister wants beebo)
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19:55<streuner>!listvals printk
19:55<dpkg>Factoid search of 'printk' by value (3): syslog console ;; printk ;; printk console.
19:55<Xenguy>!syslog console
19:55<dpkg>i heard printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
19:56<streuner>it could be only printk console then
19:56<witte>at least they do not conflict
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19:56<streuner>fuck, someone alter the factoids
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19:57<witte>streuner: can't you make them the same (as in link them together)?
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19:57<witte>streuner: so that if you change one, the others are altered as well
19:58<witte>ok :-)
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20:01<panagos>is there a list with all official debian keyrings?
20:01<panagos>* public keys
20:01<witte>panagos: debian-keyring package?
20:02<panagos>witte: it seems it doesn't cover the sun java packages...
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20:05<witte>panagos: they are in non-free; so I am not sure they are in debian (officially)
20:07<christoph>hi all. i am looking for a downloadmanager which supports multiple sources for 1 download ( i use gnome, a gui would be nice :D)
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20:12<witte>christoph: "apt-cache search download |grep manager"
20:12<witte>christoph: try maybe jigdo
20:12<christoph>thx witte
20:12<witte>christoph: note that i did not try it myself, i like command line wget :-)
20:14<christoph>tss :D
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20:29<panagos>are security updates used in testing?
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20:30<witte>panagos: there is a testing repository of security updates iirc
20:31<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
20:31<witte>!testing security
20:31<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
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20:33<panagos>can deb-src also be used with sec. updates?
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20:33<Hideo_Kuze>I think so
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20:34<witte>panagos: you can try :-)
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20:37<panagos>witte: what does "stable/updates" mean? (i mean the /updates part)
20:37<panagos>and foo/bar in general in the sources.list file
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20:39<witte>panagos: that you can find it in that directory?
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20:39<panagos>no, i mean after the url
20:39<panagos>wait, i think i'm getting the point :P
20:39<witte>well, if you go to that url with your browser, you can get there the main...
20:40<witte>ok, :-)
20:42<witte>panagos: but i am not sure where the lenny things are, but at this moment, i do not care, i am going to bed :-)
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21:02<college>Hello! I would like to know if there is a way to message a p.c. using the terminal, or is there an application that I may use, also I have seen in google video that there is a program the user can make to make a messenger app out of a .bat Can some one give me some information about that topic ?
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21:03<college>Hello! I would like to know if there is a way to message a p.c. using the terminal, or is there an application that I may use, also I have seen in google video that there is a program the user can make to make a messenger app out of a .bat Can some one give me some information about that topic ?
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21:03<college>Hello! I would like to know if there is a way to message a p.c. using the terminal, or is there an application that I may use, also I have seen in google video that there is a program the user can make to make a messenger app out of a .bat Can some one give me some information about that topic ?
21:04<weasel>you should say it again
21:05<weasel>I'm sure saying it only three times means that a lot of people could have missed it
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22:22<Woo>does anyone perhapse have a few moments to help me with getting some packages runnin on a remote server Debian 4
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22:33<abrotman>Woo: just ask
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22:35<Woo>I am working off a new server and have had all sorts of issues setting up the remote server via apt-get, i got gcc and g++ running but I need to get mysql running and I keep hitting dependancy issues, is there anyway to force apt-get to auto-install the packages they need
22:35<Woo>usually most of the basics are done on remote boxes or I do it once on local machines, first time I have had to use bash for this
22:36<abrotman>aptitude mysql-server
22:36<abrotman>aptitude install mysql-server
22:36<Woo>doh thank you kindly
22:36<Woo>its just been way too long
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22:37<abrotman>apparently for me too :)
22:37<Woo>ok now i ran through a few things looks liek it will install it and i get an error asking for a disc?
22:38<abrotman>that's not an error
22:38<Woo>i hit that when installing gcc so I installed off the packages.debian
22:39<abrotman>edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd line with a #
22:39<Woo>2 secs
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22:40<Woo>i cannot beleive i forgot that
22:40<Woo>muchly appreciated
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22:40<kurumin>algun brasileiro pode me ajudar a instalar alguns drivers de audio no meu pc?
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22:41<_ironsid3_>algun brasileiro pode me ajudar a instalar alguns drivers de audio no meu pc?
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23:00<gpm>hey guys. evolution is defaulting to work offline so i have to tell it work online every time i start it up, how do i change this behavior? i don't see it in prefs and google is not helping :(
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