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---Logopened Tue Nov 27 00:00:24 2007
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00:11<dwu>... that's nice.
00:11<panagos>can someone please help me? i am using kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64, alsa 1.0.15-2, but i have no sound!
00:12<panagos>alsamixer fails with: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
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00:13<panagos>and the /dev/dsp file is not created
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00:14<dpkg>rumour has it, devdsp is if you are using <alsa> and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the OSS compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules
00:14<panagos>i am using an on-board sound controller, motherboard: ALiveNF6G-VSTA
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00:15<panagos>gsimmons_: i did modprobe snd-pcm-oss, but /dev/dsp still isn't there! seems alsa isn't running at all...
00:16<panagos>it must be a driver problem
00:17<JB318>gsimmons_: I power cycled the router and my laptop got an IP. I'm increasingly unimpressed with Belkin products... Thanks for your help!
00:17<gsimmons_>JB318: np
00:17<gsimmons_>panagos: What is your onboard sound controller/chipset?
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00:18<panagos>gsimmons_: motherboard is ASRock ALiveNF6G-VSTA
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00:19<panagos>audio: 7.1 CH Windows Vista Premium Level HD Audio (ACL888 Audio Codec)
00:19<panagos>* audio: 7.1 CH Windows Vista Premium Level HD Audio (ALC888 Audio Codec)
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00:20<panagos>gsimmons_: that's what it says in the motherboard's manual
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00:22<panagos>to sum up:
00:22<panagos>kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64
00:22<panagos>alsa 1.0.15-2
00:22<panagos>motherboard: ASRock ALiveNF6G-VSTA
00:22<panagos>chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 6100 / nForce 430
00:22<panagos>audio: 7.1 CH Windows Vista Premium Level HD Audio
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00:23<gsimmons_>!tell panagos -about paste
00:23<JB318>panagos: BTW don't do that ;p
00:23<JB318>panagos: My favorite way to determine what drivers are needed for random hardware is to boot Knoppix and watch the boot messages
00:24<panagos>JB318: good idea, i'l try it right now :D
00:24<indraveni>is there a way to download debian mirror, section wise using deb mirror
00:24<panagos>btw, i can't join #flood, why?
00:24<indraveni>like if i want to download only the gnome related packages, then what would be the commands syntax
00:24<panagos>indraveni: there is a section called wise?
00:24<JB318>panagos: Try a pastebin like or
00:25<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
00:25<dwu>^- that will even get announced in here if you do it right, I think.
00:25<dwu>Oh, it won't. It's not pastebot.
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00:28<kdean06>Any webmasters here?
00:28<indraveni>panagos, where is wise
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00:31<panagos>indraveni: the sections, from what i know, are stable, testing, sid, experimental, etc, not wise
00:31<panagos>someone correct me if i'm wrong :D
00:32<indraveni>yes,. but i want packages wise,
00:32<indraveni>like only gnome related packages i want to downlaod
00:32<indraveni>then how to do it
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00:34<panagos>indraveni: are you using testing or stable?
00:34<indraveni>panagos, unstable
00:35<nareshov>indraveni, you want to download them for setting up a local mirror or something?
00:36<indraveni>setting up local mirror
00:36<panagos>JB318: is knoppix for amd64
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00:41<JB318>panagos: There's an experimental one but the 32 bit version should do fine for your purposes, I figure.
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00:42<panagos>JB318: if a driver's 23bit version works, will the 64bit version also work?
00:42<panagos>* 32bit
00:42<JB318>panagos: I'm not sure on all that, I just think it'll tell you what device you have well enough that you can then figure out the driver you need for Debian (either 32 bit or 64)
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00:46<panagos>(hmmm, i'll need some empty CD's for this...)
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00:51<sabaccatus>anyone offering free tech support tonight?
00:52<JB318>sabaccatus: There are a few people on. Whether we're helpful is another question....
00:52<sabaccatus>I'm about to give up compiling ieee80211
00:53<sabaccatus>I just made "the switch" recently and just cannot get my wireless card up and running
00:54<gsimmons_>sabaccatus: Which wireless card do you have and what drivers are you attempting to use?
00:54<sabaccatus>I've got an ipw2200
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00:54<sabaccatus>I've tried 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 but I think it's my ieee80211 subsystem
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00:55<gsimmons_>sabaccatus: Just before you continue, you're aware the ipw2200 driver requires firmware for its operation, right?
00:57<sabaccatus>yes I know but I have reason to believe that the firmware update has already been done
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00:57<sabaccatus>I had my wireless nic up and running just a week ago
00:57<altoid>so i'm following and have run into near the bottom of step 6 - any ideas? (also asked this in #dovecot on freenode, no responses yet)
00:57<gsimmons_>!tell sabaccatus -about ipw2200 troubleshooting
00:57<gsimmons_>sabaccatus: Try following the troubleshooting steps offered by dpkg.
00:58<panagos>i'm getting this system email: "exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken". what can be wrong?
00:58<sabaccatus>I'll see if it's helpfull
00:58<sabaccatus>does he have a ieee80211 troubleshooting guide too?
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01:18<gsimmons_>panagos: I can only assume you've missed a closing brace ('}') somewhere earlier in your configuration.
01:18<panagos>gsimmons_: i didn't touch the configuration!
01:19<panagos>gsimmons_: it was automatically configured
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01:19<indraveni>nareshov, yes
01:19<panagos>well, since i'm not having any immediate problems, i'll let that pass...
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01:21<gsimmons_>panagos: I'm sorry, you're _not_ editing /etc/dovecot.conf? Isn't that what step 6 instructs you to do?
01:21<panagos>gsimmons_: what step 6? o_O
01:22<speakfor>Hey I have a PM8M-V mobo by MSI, I am trying to get the raid chipset to work (which is vt8237r) but I cant seem to find the drivers for a i386 system. It has drivers for x86_64 but that doesnt help me much =(. I am assuming it doesnt load the drivers automatically because it sees 2 hard drives, while I think it should be seeing just one and the SATA controller should handle the rest.
01:22<gsimmons_>panagos: My apologies, all that should have been directed at altoid.
01:22<panagos>btw, there is no such file
01:22<panagos>it's okay :)
01:22<speakfor>Soooo, my actual question is if I configured the raid before trying to install, should debian see 2 drives or 1?
01:23<gsimmons_>altoid: Check your /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf file for missing closing braces.
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01:23<altoid>gsimmons_: i discovered my problem: lots of uncommented closing braces
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01:23<altoid>gsimmons_: basically, i was sloppy while editing :(
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01:33<gsimmons_>panagos: You'd want to look in /var/log/exim4/paniclog, BTW. It's not rotated daily, so exim4's daily cron job will you remind about it until manually examined and (re)moved.
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02:05<speakfor>erm wrong window, sry
02:05<dwu>Hey, newegg.
02:06<speakfor>lawl just shopping around, tired of dealing with this fake raid
02:06<speakfor>I like 3com very much, they make good and reliable raid cards but damn, you can get a chinese knockoff for 1/10th the price
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02:31<o7andrew>heya all
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02:50<altoid>so i followed and am unable to identify via pop3/imap/smtp and all the config is pretty much identical
02:51<altoid>before you ask, i tried the query from dovecot-sql.conf and it returns the right results
02:51<altoid>telnet to localhost also produces rather successful results in terms of both sending and receiving email
02:51<altoid>it's just pop3, imap, and smtp
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02:58<o7andrew>far out, i can't download or install from
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04:10<deepak_>kart_: hay you around
04:10<kart_>deepak_, somewhat
04:11<dpkg>.deb is probably a debian package, or an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files)
04:11<dpkg>rumour has it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages
04:12<deepak_>kart_: was asking that when you will be in blr?
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04:12<rkos>how do you install a .deb package, just extract the .tar.gzs?
04:12<rkos>and then what?
04:12<kart_>deepak_, Please see pm
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04:13<gpm>rkos: dpkg -i <package>
04:15<gpm>but hopefully most of the things you need are available from apt-get/aptitude
04:16<rkos>well eve online probably isn't?
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04:45<tarelerulz>I have never used Debian and I was wondering why its pluses were ? why would one want to use it over some other distro
04:47<themill>!why debian
04:47<dpkg> or
04:48<themill>tarelerulz: ^^ Debian is all about Free Software. It's robust and solid -- things don't keep changing under your feet when you're trying to run a server. It's upgradable (unlike Ubuntu and many other distros).
04:49<tarelerulz>I thought is must be pretty good if ubuntu is based on it.
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04:51<tarelerulz>I would kill to get my wireless card working well. It works ,but it is very . It seems I am the only one that has try to install Linux on my HP Pavillion 6500 .
04:52<tarelerulz>I can say this Debian irc server all ways seem to be up and running and I can get on it all the time.
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04:53<dwu>This IRC network is not run by Debian (it might run -on- Debian, but that's another point.)
04:54<tarelerulz>With that being said Why can I get on here all the time and not on say Ubuntu's sever ? They both are on freenode from what I have read.
04:54<Ganneff>dwu: is an alias to this net, so people might well think its an own.
04:54<Ganneff>tarelerulz: wrong. ubuntu is on freenode, debian on oftc
04:54<dwu>Ganneff: Hence why I clarified.
04:55<dwu>And freenode is... mostly sort of stable. I know I'm on it as much as I am here, if not more.
04:55<tarelerulz>Oh thanks then Ganneff .
04:57<dwu>tarelerulz: Your terminology also leaves somewhat to be desired. #ubuntu and #debian are channels. basically redirects to doesn't exist, or point anywhere. They're on, #ubuntu.
04:58<tarelerulz>Then fun part is I have net I guess ,but I can only get on here and web pages time out .
04:59<dwu>It means you have a slow connection *shrug* Or... something.
05:00<dwu>Or a slightly insane netadmin, which... no, wait, that's redundant. They're all nuts. Nice folk, but... nuts.
05:00[~]dwu goes home.
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05:00<tarelerulz>My connection on vista works fine ,but the driver I use for the window's driver I use with ndiswrapper works ,but it very slow
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05:03<tarelerulz>What I mean to say is when I am on Vista the connection is fine ,but when I get on online useing ndiswrapper an xp wireless driver is very slow. I can get on here ,but web pages time out and I have been downloading drivers for hours and trying to find out what is up
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06:09<mosty>how do you setup http auth for a particular apt repository on the client side?
06:10<themill>mosty: http://user:pass@server:port/ (from man 5 sources.list)
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06:11<mosty>themill, thanks, i was looking in apt_preferences and apt.conf manpages
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06:13<themill>mosty: actually, that's the syntax for the http_proxy (now that I read more carefully) but I'm pretty sure that works for deb lines too.
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06:14<mosty>yeah, it works
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06:18<jgkkkkkljbg>i'm trying to reformat my HD but my keyboard isn't working untill the kernel takes over
06:18<jgkkkkkljbg>anyone know why that'd be?
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06:19<mosty>old bios? enable legacy usb keyboard in there?
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06:20<jgkkkkkljbg>it's ps/02 not USB
06:21<jgkkkkkljbg>I tried with another keyboard, but its the sameproblem
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06:22<witte>jgkkkkkljbg: i do not really understand your question: what has "reformat the hd" to do with a keyboard that only works after some time?
06:24<jgkkkkkljbg>I mean, I want to reinstall debian, but I can't because my keyboard doesn't work during bootup
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06:24<witte>jgkkkkkljbg: ah, ok, you can not push the <del> key to enter bios to change the booting sequence?
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06:33<daffytheduck>hi there Ive just updated to a RT61 driver for my wireless nt card and the card and driver work well but Ive got a problem with the network config, everytime the computer restarts there is no connection and i have to start the internett by running a script i wrote Ive noticed there is device wmaster0 in the network list that I have to bring down before bringing wlan0 back up is there anyway arround this thanks
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06:49<struct>anyone having a problem with the new libc6 and tzselect?
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06:52<witte>struct: which debian, and how do you notice the "problem"?
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06:54<struct>witte: debian sid. I notice the problem because my timezone is set to UTC which is not right. When I use tzselect to select my proper timezone my timezone is still set to UTC afterward
06:54<struct>witte: hence the "problem"
06:54<witte>struct: my sid has some libc6 ready for install so i will wait a bit maybe :P
06:55<witte>struct: I had that earlier this week as well, that was due to some package, tzdata I believe
06:56<witte>struct: a new version of tzdata solved the problem
06:56<witte>I will have a look with the new libc6 (i can live an hour of balance for a while :-))
06:56<struct>witte: I just got libc6 2.7-2 and my timezone is fixed now
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06:57<struct>witte: libc6 2.7-1 causes the issue
06:57<witte>struct: ah, that is being downloaded now, i do not think it is libc6, as is was working here
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06:58<struct>witte: /usr/bin/tzselect is a part of the libc6 package
06:58<witte>didn't you get any new tzdata packages as well?
06:58<struct>not that I know of
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07:00<witte>struct: ok, the time here was ok, and it still is with the new one, so no worries for me
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07:01<susanne->i'm using x over vnc. the keymap is jacked. eg, when i type "this is a test" i get "nklb7lb7a7ngbn". doesn't happen at console, or in ssh. does happen in both gnome and icewm. where to look?
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07:06<Nemoder>I don't think vnc translates language settings for the keyboard
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07:11<padski>koqueror seems to load graphics much more slowly than firefox ?
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07:13<yang>does any software with maps exists for linux GPS?
07:13<padski>yang: GRASS GIS maybe ?
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07:14<padski>yang: try putting grass into the tag browser at
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07:15<hathe|>apt-cache search map gps
07:15<padski>the tag field::geography brings up a lot of stuff
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07:17<susanne->Nemoder: i'm at a loss here. i have another server, also lenny, that doesn't do this (although it runs kde), and i didn't have any new setup issues with it, as i recall. same client, so i'm at a loss here.
07:18<Nemoder>susanne-: can try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
07:18<padski>susanne-: did you try looking at hte packets on the wire with something like wireshark ?
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07:18<m3ntal>hi , i 'd like some help with fork()
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07:19<m3ntal>can someone help me a little
07:19<yang>padski: yes, but i would need european maps
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07:27<velixzeen>for apt-get update, when are the .diff files used? They seem to come and go in terms of their use and presence in a mirror.
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07:57<veltan>bin neu hier und wollte mal fragen wie das hier funkt. und ob ich mich auch zu ICQ usern verbinden kann
07:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:58<witte>veltan: and try pidgin
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08:05<rkos>whats the package for WMA DMO codec for xmms or mplayer?
08:07<rkos>and by the way, when trying to check info on some file nearly always whatever im using to check the file crashes, why's that?
08:08<velixzeen>how are you checking info on a file?
08:10<rkos>right click and properties
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08:10<rkos>but i need some way to play wma dmo files
08:10<rkos>mplayer complains about coded 0x163
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08:11<velixzeen>not much help with codecs, have you install w32codecs?
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08:14<rkos>don't know, i have at least wma plugins for xmms and mplayer works fine with other wmas but some complain about the 0x163 which is wmadmo or wma9dmo
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08:43<themill>!greet bpazolli
08:43<dpkg>Moo, bpazolli
08:43<bpazolli>I have a problem with my laptop I can't get xwindows started I have nvidia geforce go 6150 I get a really white screen than fade to black any help?
08:44<bpazolli>I tried vesa drivers no different
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08:46<bpazolli>HELP I want linux so bad
08:46<dli>!tell bpazolli about nvidia
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08:47<bpazolli>Are you saying to install nvidia non-free drivers
08:48<dli>!tell bpazolli about nouveau
08:50<bpazolli>I don't have a problem with proprietary drivers I just can't seem to install them there are a hundred sites telling me to type different things starting with apt-get install and such but I keep getting (most of the time) cannot find package what sites should I have in my sources file to get the pakages
08:51<bpazolli>I am running AMD64 I guess I should mention
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08:51<dli>bpazolli, read what the factoid says
08:52<dli>!tell bpazolli about rtfm
08:52<themill>bpazolli: the instructions on the debian wiki are good. Also /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner
08:53<witte>!tell bpazolli about nvidia one-liner
08:53<witte>themill: there is a dash iirc
08:53<themill>witte: both ;)
08:53<themill>!factinfo nvidia oneliner
08:53<dpkg>nvidia oneliner -- created by stew <> at Thu May 18 18:27:57 2006 (557 days); it has been requested 107 times, last by witte, 6s ago.
08:54<witte>themill: yes, i just noticed, i tested it afterwards, should have done that before :-)
08:54<themill>it's nice having such aliases in place ... makes it more forgiving.
08:55<witte>themill: yeah, it would also be a nice addition to the bot if there would be factoid tab completion :-)
08:56<themill>heh.... I use the web interface a fair bit... I have a firefox quick search set up so I can just type "bot nvidia" and it gives me all keys that have nvidia in them.
08:57<bpazolli>Hey I still get couldn't find package for various entries I have version 2.6.18 I assurm I enter in apt-get install nvidia-2.6.18
08:57<bpazolli>Now I am stuck in a > prompt how do I get out
08:58<witte>themill: web interface, mm, ok ,will have to look that up. I just use emacs rcirc :P
08:58<witte>bpazolli: did you copy the line that was provided by dpkg?
08:59<themill>witte: for ff, use this as the bookmark URL and I give a keyword of "bot" for that:*%s*&term=key
08:59<witte>because i doubt you have linux-image-2.6.18, more likely linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 or something
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09:00<DTE>hi all
09:00<bpazolli>yeah I tried that as well, that is "apt-get install nvidia-2.6.18-5-amd64" didn't work same message
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09:01<themill>!nvidia one-liner
09:01<dpkg>well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
09:01<bpazolli>I assume I have to add something to my sources list
09:01<nacs>why don't u search for nvidia ? like aptitute search nvidia , might show up something
09:02<witte>bpazolli: that is why in hte dpkg explanation there is the uname stuff so that it chooses it automatically
09:02<padski>why use commas in the sed ?
09:02<themill>bpazolli: you will need to add non-free to the sources.list, but the package name is nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
09:02<witte>bpazolli: and you need non-free in the sources
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09:02<witte>padski: why not :-)
09:03<padski>witte: less legible ?
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09:03<rkos>ok so, how to install windows so i can dualboot and have both debian and windows?
09:03<padski>witte: and more unusual ?
09:03<witte>padski: i agree that it si less legible
09:03<rkos>just normally installing windows will inactivate the debian partition for some reason
09:03<witte>padski: yeah, probably you are right, maybe there is a possible occurence of / in the line
09:04<bpazolli>whats that character after sed 's,.*-,,f'
09:04<bpazolli>whats that character after sed 's,.*-,,g'
09:04<Nemoder>rkos: that's normal for windows, you'll need to install debian 2nd or use a rescue CD to fix the boot loader
09:04<witte>bpazolli: a backtick it is called i think
09:04<rkos>ok i did that the last time i installed
09:04<themill>bpazolli: it's a back-tick ` ... you can copy and paste....
09:04<rkos>how can i fix it so that i can dual boot?
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09:05<bpazolli>not across computers I can't
09:05<themill>!tell rkos about dual boot guide
09:05<Nemoder>rkos: check the documentation for grub
09:05<rkos>ok thanks
09:06<bgat>anyone know how to add mp3 support back into wav2swf?
09:07<bpazolli>How do I get this backtick
09:07<witte>!tell rkos about fixmbr
09:07<padski>bpazolli: x2vnc ?
09:07<rkos>yeah i got those
09:07<themill>or ssh... or synergy.... etc
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09:12<bpazolli>Still get couldn't find package and I can't seem to type that whole line
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09:12<witte>bpazolli: just do uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g', and put that output where it belongs (the backticks are a way of telling the shell to do that command between them)
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09:13<padski>or use $()
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09:13<themill>or just type in amd64 ...
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09:15<xarg>Could someone please point me in the direction of a doc which will help me setup a fax server which will aloow me to have 'n' network printers on windows clients each of which is configured to send a fax to a statically configured fax number with no user intervention (eg no typing a number)? I would imagine hylafax is capable of this?
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09:20<padski>xarg: that sounds like an odd setup.
09:20<xarg>that maybe but that is what I would like to do
09:21<xarg>I am replacing remote printers which are connected via frame relay
09:22<padski>what are remote printers for ?
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09:25<xarg>printing lists of stuff and directions
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09:27<padski>xarg: so you are going to replace each remote printer and frame-relay with a simple fax machine
09:28<padski>xarg: sounds like a good plan :-)
09:28<bpazolli>Now where getting somewhere I added some stuff to the sources.list did apt-get update
09:28<xarg>yes ... pots +fax is cheaper than FR :)
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09:29<padski>xarg: indeed :-)
09:29<bpazolli>then apt-cache search "nvidia" then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-amd64
09:29<bpazolli>now it is installing asked me for free space and everything
09:29<padski>xarg: and you need software the other end to do the sending faxes
09:30<xarg>padski: yeap
09:31<padski>xarg: might help you in picking software
09:32<padski>xargs: and google gave me:
09:32<Ikarus>How does module-assistent determine what modules are availible >?
09:33<xarg>gotta go
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09:39<Harlekino>just solved securty updates
09:39<Harlekino>month without security patches?
09:39<Harlekino>baad to do
09:39<Harlekino>problem is
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09:40<Harlekino>how to reinistall samba
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09:40<Harlekino>aptitude wont help
09:40<witte>Harlekino: there was a regression in sambe which led to a problem, but that would be solved since yesterday
09:40<gsimmons_>!samba etch5
09:40<dpkg>Problems mounting Windows shares with samba 3.0.24-6etch5 and smbfs? Use cifs instead. See #451839 in the <BTS>. Fixed in samba 3.0.24-6etch7.
09:41<Harlekino>witte, will or would :)
09:41<witte>Harlekino: should
09:42<Harlekino>yhere was gift on my machine
09:42<Harlekino>samba whole
09:42<Harlekino>stil iss
09:42<Harlekino>and some others
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09:43<Harlekino>nice gift disapeared
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09:44<Harlekino>it become visible on my desktop throu samba whole
09:44<padski>Harlekino: hole ?
09:44<Harlekino>and left
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09:44<Harlekino>padski, zap, hole
09:45<padski>Harlekino: security vulnerability ?
09:45<padski>zap ? yap ?
09:45<Harlekino>padski, but
09:46<Harlekino>securiy break was inensional
09:46<witte>Harlekino: what is the exact problem? samba from security installs nicely, I do not know about samba mounting, but I experienced no problems so far...
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09:46<Harlekino>problem is how to update samba
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09:47<jbramson>apt-get install samba?
09:47<Harlekino>witte, i started wih samba learning five years ago
09:47<Harlekino>jbramson, insalled, reinstal, remove
09:47<Harlekino>wont work trough aptitude
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09:48<gsimmons_>!tell Harlekino -about doesn't work
09:50<jbramson>I think if you just apt-get install samba if it's not the newest already installed in should upgrade
09:50<bpazolli>Another noob question what do I use so that when I excute a command all the data doesn't just fly past like /p in dos
09:50<jbramson>may need to apt-get update first
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09:50<padski>Ikarus: m-a is a perl script. looks like m-a list reads from a cache produced during m-a update
09:51<Ikarus>meh, yeah, already hacked around the stuff being out of date
09:51<padski>bpazolli: | less
09:52<padski>bpazolli: or on old or small systems | more, but "less is more"
09:52<jbramson>or | more
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09:54<bpazolli>how do I get out of it it's gone to end and now just beeps
09:54<gsimmons_>bpazolli: q
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09:55<Harlekino>!tell gsimmons_ debian users since potato
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09:56<Harlekino>ok gsimmons_ ?
09:56<padski>tell Harlekino about !
09:56<bpazolli>I now get no screens found after startx
09:56<Harlekino>padski, she told me :)
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09:57<padski>ok :-)
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09:57<Harlekino>becouse dpkg is female :)
09:57<padski>Harlekino: you have overwritten a sambe installed by the package management with your own compilation ?
09:57<gsimmons_>Harlekino: We need details. Specifically, what isn't working for you using aptitude. Even a paste of an error message that you receive (and a description of what you were expecting) will assist.
09:58<witte>!tell bpazolli about drxx
09:58<Harlekino>padski, i have overwriten init scripts
09:58<Harlekino>and lots more problems
09:58<Harlekino>i have listeners
09:58<padski>Harlekino: and what error message do you get when you attempt apt-get install samba
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09:59<Harlekino>but ISP is listenig tooo
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09:59<padski>Do I need to put on my tin foil hat ?
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09:59<bpazolli>nvidia still doesn't turn up under x server drivers what gives
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10:00<Harlekino>E: Invalid operation reinstall
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10:00<gsimmons_>Harlekino: What Debian version are you using?
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10:01<ServerSide>err, i've a problem for get etqw (demo) to work on debian testing... check it out
10:01<Harlekino>gsimmons_, Die Hard 4.0
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10:02<witte>bpazolli: you can check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
10:02<gsimmons_>Harlekino: I'm sorry, what?
10:02<Harlekino>4.0 debian
10:02<padski>Harlekino: funny, that's what I get if I type 'apt-get reinstall foo'
10:02<Harlekino>wich rebot without connected on net
10:02<Harlekino>padski, qwah
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10:02<padski>Harlekino: when I typ[e 'apt-get install foo' I get E: Couldn't find package foo
10:03<padski>qwah ?
10:03<padski>Harlekino: I'm drifting into elolapsy here
10:03<gsimmons_>Harlekino: Use "aptitude reinstall" for aptitude, "apt-get --reinstall install" for apt-get. Or provide an actual paste of your problem.
10:03<Harlekino>padski, some croatian here
10:03<padski>Harlekino: none here
10:04<Harlekino>flood anounce
10:04<Harlekino>apt-get install samba
10:04<Harlekino>Reading package lists... Done
10:04<Harlekino>Building dependency tree... Done
10:04<Harlekino>The following packages will be upgraded:
10:04<Harlekino> samba
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10:04<Harlekino>tar: ./control: time stamp 2007-11-15 23:08:27 is 49098884.234250875 s in the future
10:04<Harlekino>tar: .: time stamp 2007-11-15 23:08:29 is 49098886.234093555 s in the future
10:04<bpazolli>pore harlekino
10:04<Harlekino>(Reading database ...
10:04<Harlekino>89212 files and directories currently installed.)
10:04<Harlekino>Preparing to replace samba 3.0.24-6etch4 (using .../samba_3.0.24-6etch5_i386.deb) ...
10:05<Harlekino>invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
10:05<Harlekino>dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
10:05<dpkg>past is probably you can also join #flood
10:05<Harlekino>dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
10:05<Harlekino>invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
10:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
10:05<Harlekino>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-6etch5_i386.deb (--unpack):
10:05<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
10:05<Harlekino> subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
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10:05<Harlekino>Errors were encountered while processing:
10:05<Harlekino> /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-6etch5_i386.deb
10:05<Harlekino>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
10:05<Harlekino>i announced :)
10:05<ServerSide>god damnit
10:05<Harlekino>dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
10:05<Harlekino><Harlekino> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
10:05<Harlekino><Harlekino> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
10:05<witte>Harlekino: stop!
10:05<padski>time stamp 2007-11-15 23:08:29 is 49098886.234093555 s in the future ?
10:05<witte>Harlekino: idiot
10:05<Harlekino>ok witte
10:05<Harlekino>i am
10:06<Harlekino>i need help
10:06<Harlekino>am i on righ placE?
10:06<witte>Harlekino: put it in a pastebin don't paste here
10:06<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
10:07<Harlekino>bitchx knows how to paste
10:07<Harlekino>my xchat dont
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10:08<Harlekino>what is dangling symlink witte ?
10:08<Harlekino>that i dont know
10:08<witte>Harlekino: a link to nothing i think
10:09<Harlekino>rc.d broke accesing dangling symlink
10:09<witte>Harlekino: but i think you need to update again, you are trying to install samba_3.0.24-6etch5, which is not the one on
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10:09<Harlekino>i'm trying to get ridd of samba
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10:10<Harlekino>one way or onother
10:10<Harlekino>first way is to stop samba
10:11<Harlekino>it not suposed to be up in first place
10:11<Harlekino>talking 'bout securiy
10:12<Harlekino>and w-ho(l/r)es
10:12<Harlekino>samba down
10:12<Harlekino>what now?
10:13<Harlekino>to rebuild init scripts?
10:13<Harlekino>what is best thing to do after stuting down saba in my case?
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10:21<jbramson>harlekino you want to restart samba after kill?
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10:22<Harlekino>witte, what about 3.0.24-etch4
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10:23<witte>Harlekino: what about it?
10:23<witte>Harlekino: what is your real problem?
10:23<Harlekino>3.0.24-etch5 is trying to upgrade from etch4
10:23<Harlekino>get rid or get upgraded
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10:24<Harlekino>and bad cmos batery bwah
10:24<Harlekino>it is now 26.04. 2006 acording to debian hmm
10:25<witte>Harlekino: do you have security in your sources.list?
10:25<Harlekino>yap witte
10:25<witte>ok, what is the output of "apt-cache show samba|grep Version"
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10:26<Harlekino>witte, 2 sabmas!
10:27<witte>That is normal, one from etch, one from security
10:27<Harlekino>4 and 5
10:27<Harlekino>two lines
10:27<witte>ok, do "apt-get update"
10:27<witte>becasue i have 4 and 6
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10:28<Harlekino>tnx witte , time first
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10:28<Harlekino>and date
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10:31<Harlekino>witte, done
10:31<Harlekino>what's next
10:31<witte>do "apt-cache show samba|grep Version"
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10:32<witte>there should be 4 and 6
10:32<Harlekino>witte, 4 and 6
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10:32<Harlekino>it is
10:32<witte>Harlekino: apt-get dist-upgrade
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10:32<Harlekino>sure about that?
10:32<witte>Harlekino: or aptitude dist-upgrade if you like that better
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10:33<witte>Harlekino: as long as your sources are only etch, yes
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10:34<Harlekino>witte, nonon
10:35<Harlekino>wite apt-get dist-upgrade broked
10:35<Harlekino>with error
10:35<Harlekino>samba depenencies
10:35<themill>Harlekino: please pastebin the error.
10:36<brakkio>I'm a new debian user and I've a problem with Xorg, startx exit with an error and X exit without printing anything.
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10:37<brakkio>Can sombebody help me?
10:37<Harlekino>or i forgot how to cp in a moment
10:37<Harlekino>or i will have retype it
10:37<witte>Harlekino: select, and middle mouse button to paste
10:37<Harlekino>or i need a cigaete
10:37<Harlekino>witte, i'm doing that
10:37<Harlekino>and got wrong paste hm
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10:38<Harlekino>slowly will be
10:38<Harlekino>ciggarete first
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10:42<Harlekino>witte, gnome translation, plz i'm in gnome w/o midle button
10:43<Harlekino>and got root terminal
10:43<Harlekino>know how to select
10:43<Harlekino>i select
10:43<bpazolli>I now get a black screen after startx. only suspecious thing after pressing ctrl+alt+F1 is (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
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10:43<Harlekino>right click, copy
10:44<Harlekino>and paste isnt i seleted
10:44<Harlekino>witte, ideas?
10:44<Harlekino>clear paste buffer?
10:44<Harlekino>in gnome? hmy
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10:47<Harlekino>close to solution
10:48<Harlekino>to pastebin
10:48<Harlekino>but after second ciggarete and some tea
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10:49<Harlekino>witte, tnx in many ways, will you be here for a while?
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10:53<Harlekino>apt-get -f install' to correct these.
10:53<Harlekino>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:53<Harlekino> samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.24-6etch4) but 3.0.24-6etch5 is installed
10:53<Harlekino>E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
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10:54<bpazolli>I now get a black screen after startx. only suspecious thing after pressing ctrl+alt+F1 is (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
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10:54<themill>!tell Harlekino about paste
10:55<Harlekino>themill, tel him about Hackers from Within
10:56<Harlekino>and peope in need
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10:56<Harlekino>themill, just act stupid
10:56<Harlekino>i know lot about acting stupid
10:57<Harlekino>neary lose life couple of days before
10:57<Harlekino>i lerned my lesons of acting stupid
10:57<themill>Harlekino: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list the full output of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
10:57<Harlekino>thenull zero
10:58<Harlekino>yout takl is now going to /dev/null
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10:59<Harlekino>lesons about pastebin learned
10:59<Harlekino>still alive
10:59<Harlekino>and still with problems
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11:00<Harlekino>as you see i know something about feeding trolls
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11:03<Harlekino>witte, still need your help
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11:04<Harlekino>witte, idle for too long
11:04<witte>Harlekino: you need lessons in reading, and that is not somethign i am willing to give
11:04<Harlekino>witte, -5 diopty
11:04<Harlekino>no glases
11:05<witte>Harlekino: when people try to help you, do what they ask
11:05<Harlekino>leson abot how to stay alive
11:05<Harlekino>ok witte
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11:05<Harlekino>i have to be close to lcd to see a nick witte
11:05<Harlekino>witte, verry close
11:06<Harlekino>and i wasnt
11:06<themill>Harlekino: we can either help you or we can ignore you. It's your choice.
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11:06<Harlekino>witte, lesson in reading acomplished
11:07<Harlekino>witte, can we go on now?
11:07<witte>Harlekino: do what themill and I told you 10 minutes ago about pasting the result to a pastebin
11:07<Harlekino>new here
11:07<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:07<Harlekino>and themill will get hers thebill
11:08[~]themill is bored with this game and has better things to do
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11:15<Harlekino>witte, ok
11:15<Harlekino>i got url
11:16<Harlekino>is there polycy about pasting url's?
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11:17<Harlekino>or pvt's even beter witte ?
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11:17<Harlekino>il learn
11:18<Harlekino>it not shame to be stupid, it's a shame not trying to learn themill
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11:18<witte>Harlekino: you should take care not to do both at the same time
11:18<witte>Harlekino: paste the url
11:18<themill>Harlekino: just post the URL to the pastebins of the outputs that I asked for.
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11:19<Harlekino>witte, here? or on some other place?
11:19<witte>Harlekino: here please
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11:20<witte>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
11:20<themill>Harlekino: and your sources.list?
11:20<witte>Harlekino: did you try that?
11:20<Harlekino>witte, no, might is not must
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11:21<themill>the etch5 packages have probably been removed from the server as etch6 is out.
11:21<Harlekino>witte, shoud i do f thinh?
11:21<Harlekino>or just try
11:21<themill>Harlekino: run an apt-get update too. And for the last time, please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:22<themill>[15:57] <themill> Harlekino: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list the full output of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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11:22[~]themill prefers helping people who want to be helped.
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11:23<Harlekino>witte, i didn't try that
11:24<witte>Harlekino: I agree with themill, you are really trying to drive us crasy, we are not here for your amusement
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11:24<witte>Harlekino: try the -f thing, and put the thing that themill asks in a pastebin
11:25<Harlekino>please forgive me witte
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11:47<Harlekino>please witte ?
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11:48<Harlekino>fsck zou gayz
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11:48[~]themill cheers....
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11:51<ladoga>what a show
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11:52<themill>I think the word was saga
11:52<petemc>or debacle
11:52<themill>Some people just don't want to be helped.
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11:55<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
11:57<bpazolli>I now get a black screen after startx. only suspecious thing after pressing ctrl+alt+F1 is (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
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12:01<bpazolli>I now get a black screen after startx. only suspecious thing after pressing ctrl+alt+F1 is (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found
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12:02<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
12:02<themill>bpazolli: have you tried that ^^
12:03<themill>does /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifically list a PCI ID in the device section?
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12:04<bpazolli>yes 0:5:0
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12:09<javierf>hi there... When I open a link in a browser, there is a long delay while the browser says it is resolving the hostname or looking up for name... is there any hint to resolve it?
12:09<bpazolli>I've lost faith I'm installing ubuntu
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12:10<themill>bpazolli: and what is your real pciid of that card? lspci
12:10<bpazolli>0:5:0 supposedly
12:10<padski>unbeliever! ;-)
12:10<qbit>javierf, make sure /etc/resolv.conf is correct ?
12:11<javierf>qbit: yes.. it is correct it contains my ISP dns servers
12:11<themill>javierf: does it work eventually? try typing at the command line "host" and see how long it takes
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12:12<qbit>javierf: might try to use different dns servers ..
12:12<qbit>not sure where you will find them tho
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12:12<themill>bpazolli: I'm afraid I know very little about the nvidia driver as I don't use it... is drxx actually rewriting the xorg.conf file or is it complaining that you've modified it?
12:12<javierf>themill: it resolv the host name really fast using host command and using dig or dnslookup but it takes too long when using a browser
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12:13<themill>javierf: you could install a caching dns server like pdnsd. Turning off ipv6 in iceweasel has been reported to help too.
12:14<javierf>qbit: I've already tried using different dns servers and the problem persists...
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12:14<qbit>javierf: did you try a diff browser ?
12:14<javierf>themill: How can I turn off ipv6 in iceweasel? I've turned it off in aliases
12:15<javierf>qbit: konqueror and iceweasel
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12:15<qbit>no strange auto detect settings in either?
12:15<themill>javierf: go to about:config and type ipv6 in the search bar. But if it's the same problem in konqi then that's unlikely to be the problem.
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12:16<javierf>themill: no, I dont use proxies
12:18<javierf>themill: turning off ipv6 works better
12:18<javierf>at lease using iceweasel
12:18<themill>javierf: well enough?
12:18<qbit>javierf, how long we talkin for the lookups ?
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12:20<javierf>themill: let me try it... some times few changes make it work fine for some minutes and after that it persist
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12:20<javierf>qbit: some seconds 10 up to 30
12:21<javierf>qbit: but turning off ipv6 in iceweasel it seems to work fine
12:21<stevex>do you speak polish ?
12:22<stevex>channel polish ?
12:22<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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12:24<zulu>uname -p return unknown on my debian system, does someone knows why?
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12:25<javierf>qbit, themill: thanks
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12:26<qbit>javierf: np
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12:29<Administrator>can some 1 out thr give me some help??
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12:29<cahoot>with spelling?
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12:30<Administrator>no i am newbie tho.. but i hv a problem with my sarge on sata
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12:31<Administrator>how do i load drivers for my special sata hard drive and install debian
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12:32<Administrator>some one out thr please
12:32<WildKid>Is there a way to tell debian not load specific modules contained in initrd?
12:32<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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12:33<cahoot>WildKid: ^^
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12:34<WildKid>But I thought initramfs/initrd is parsed before the root fs is mounted...
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12:35<dpkg>it has been said that blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
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12:35<bpazolli>Thanks for all your help but in the past hour I have installed ubuntu succesfully and am now running proprietary nvidia drivers instead of the 5 hours or so I messed around with debian, I am sorry no matter how willing the heart I guess I wasn't strong enough
12:36<WildKid>Butthe default config for sid uses an initrd...
12:36<WildKid>But the default config for sid uses an initrd...
12:36<themill>bpazolli: have a look at what your set up is now, perhaps keep a copy of xorg.conf and then have another go with debian. Write up your experiences on a wiki somewhere and/or post a bug against the relevant package ;)
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12:37<bpazolli>yeah I did have a look didn't seem like anything special but I'll blog it I guess
12:38<WildKid>I'm talking about 2.6.22-2
12:38<themill>bpazolli: can you diff the two xorg.conf files?
12:38<cahoot>WildKid: did you even read the msg above?
12:38<themill>cahoot: don't worry, I was just exercising my fingers.... I don't take it personally...
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12:40<WildKid>Yes, but I did, but it seems to only apply if your kernel uses an initramfs....not an initrd.
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12:40<bpazolli>I think this one has Busid "PCI:0:5:0" instead of "0:5:0" could of that made all the difference. But unfortunatly I lost the previous file in reinstallation
12:40<dpkg>hmm... initramfs is the new initrd. See for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>
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12:42<bpazolli>It also has Option "AddARGBVisuals" "True" and Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" and Option "NoLogo" "True" the rest seems about the same
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12:46[~]fxiny in the corner ? so the center stage sofa is free ! i'll take it
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12:47<themill>bpazolli: similar versions of the nvidia driver? (that's likely to make the biggest difference, I think)
12:47<OmnipotentEntity>I have a bit of an issue with plugging in my phone. According to my kernel log, it detects it as an RNDIS device and then my computer shuts off without warning. If my phone is turned off it doesn't crash the computer, but it still charges the battery. If I'm not running Linux it doesn't shut down the computer, if I'm booting up Linux it boot upto the point where it's probing USB, and then when it detects the phone is shuts o
12:47<OmnipotentEntity>ff. Any ideas what might be causing this?
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12:52<OmnipotentEntity>Some information about my computer, I'm running 2.6.22-amd64 but this issue has been with me for since 2.6.12. I'm running Sid. Just ask if you need more details.
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12:57<themill>OmnipotentEntity: are you saying that it used to work with an older kernel?
12:58<OmnipotentEntity>All I use this computer for is to charge the phone, and that worked up until 2.6.12
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12:59<OmnipotentEntity>However, the update that pulled 2.6.12 pull a large number of other things.
12:59<themill>you could try a git-bisect on the kernel....
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13:00<themill>there were some kernel changes at some time that borked devices that drew too much power from the usb bus. But I thought that was later than 2.6.12
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13:01<themill>There were some udev changes around 2.6.12 too.... (I skipped from .9 to .18 so I can't tell you what happened in between... once my laptop had a working config I stuck with it ;)
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13:14<KRS>hi, how can i use the sudo command for an no-root-user?
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13:14<qbit>sudo nonrootuser
13:15<dkr>I think you mean, sudo -u nonrootuser command
13:15<dli>KRS, sudo -u krs
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13:30<dkr>is there some software like graphmonkey but better? :) (i.e. with axis labeled or tooltip to see data points) I have an equation and want to graph it for a certain range(not a set of points to plot) although maybe that is what I need: to run a separate program to generate the data points and then use gnuplot
13:33<OmnipotentEntity>themill, it seems to have a bug report filed against it already, I've made a follow up.
13:33<dkr>"graph" is an over-used word. :)
13:33<OmnipotentEntity>Thanks for the help.
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13:39<mario_>hi, i have a question abount xen on debian etch, is there a way to automate the creation of guest system with ore then basic packages?
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13:40<mario_>do you mean the command xen-create-image?
13:40<petemc>i guess, i dont use it
13:40<mario_>ok thanks
13:40<petemc>i just cp or rsync my lvm partitions
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13:40<petemc>to create another vm..
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13:42<mario_>i have another question : i use ssh on many server (vm) and i need a way to centralize the distribution of the public keys without rsync them on every host
13:42<mario_>is there a way to put them in a database (LDAP?)
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13:47<petemc>mario_: isnt that what kerberos is for?
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13:51<tgoorden>could anybody here help me with environment variables under Debian?
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13:51<tgoorden>we have trac running under apache, using python
13:51<tgoorden>and it needs a specific env to be set, but I can't figure out where
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13:59<Maulkin>tgoorden: Sure
13:59<tgoorden>Maulkin: I've looked for something similar to env.d but didn't find it
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14:00<Silver>someone knows how i can repair a NTFS partition? Linux can read it but windows have problems... what could be wrong and how to fix it?
14:00<bahamat>I'm having a problem with doesn't recognize anything I put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, is there something I don't know about this?
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14:03<tgoorden>Maulkin: those are the apache env variables, but since we use trac on top of python, I'm pretty sure I need to set system env variables
14:03<Maulkin>Silver: load windows, use chkdsk
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14:03<Maulkin>tgoorden: erm... it's loading through apache, right?
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14:04<tgoorden>maulkin: yes, would python pick apache env variables up then?
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14:04<Maulkin>tgoorden: should do, yes
14:04<tgoorden>maulkin: oops, it seems so
14:04<tgoorden>(it says so in the doc)
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14:04<tgoorden>ok, thx, I'll try that
14:05<Maulkin>Remember, env vars == environment variable
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14:05<Maulkin>And it gets the variable from the environment, in this case apache, rather than bash
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14:23<dandean>anybody configure PHP on debian with support for PDO_ODBC?
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14:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:52<emman>I am new to ubuntu...I can't play movie using mplayer...I got this error message "The playback of this movie requires a VCD protocol source plugin which is not installed. Help me please! Thanks
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14:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
14:53<azeem>emman: please ask in #ubuntu on
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14:55<emman>thanks for the info.
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15:25<kyper>Having wicked trouble since I updated samba
15:25<kyper>anyone else having issues?
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15:25<kyper>azeem: what's happening with you?
15:25<azeem>nothing, i don't use samba
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15:26<kyper>but what seems to be the problem with it then generally?
15:26<azeem>what version do you have installed?
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15:26<kyper>azeem: 3.0.24-6etch6
15:27<azeem>kyper: downgrade
15:27[~]grummund about to post a question to debian-user mailing list, but it's a generic linux (file-permissions) problem so i was wondering about a generic linux mailing list... any ideas?
15:27<potato>What is the smallest ISO image of 4.0r1 that can be installed on a computer without an Internet connection?
15:27<azeem>potato: do you want something that boots, or something you can use?
15:28<kyper>azeem: how do you do this with apt?
15:28<potato>azeem:something that boots and has the means to download the rest of the packages as I see fit
15:28<azeem>potato: netinst
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15:29<chileno>chupenlo mariciones
15:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:29<chileno>windows vista lo megor
15:29<chileno>windows vista lo megor
15:29<chileno>windows vista lo megor
15:29<chileno>windows vista lo megor
15:29<chileno>windows vista lo megor
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15:29<potato>azeem: Well, in that case how does one go about doing that? I have tried to install using the netinst image but it attempts to download packages from the net and stalls when it can't
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15:30<potato>i.e. returns to the installation steps menu
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15:30<azeem>potato: hrm
15:30<azeem>potato: I thought it wouldn't if you tell it "I don't want tasksel"
15:31<potato>so where do I declare that?
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15:32<azeem>potato: maybe you need expert install for that, dunno
15:32<chileno24>windows vista y hp very good
15:32<chileno24>windows vista y hp very good
15:32<chileno24>windows vista y hp very good
15:32<chileno24>windows vista y hp very good
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15:32<potato>azeem: I am laready doing the expert install, though I enabled the fancy gtk thingy...Could it be because of that?
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15:32<potato>*laready already
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15:33<azeem>potato: dunno
15:33<potato>azeem: ah well, thanks anyway
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15:34<potato>azeem: but can you speak from experience that it is indeed possible to install netinst without downloading anything?
15:34<Eulex>it is.
15:34<potato>Eulex: hmm OK thanks
15:34<Eulex>and I speak from experience.
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15:34<Eulex>but you will _only_ get a base system
15:35<potato>Eulex: I intend to do that
15:35<chileno2>chupenlo maricones de mierda
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15:35<Eulex>no !ops necessary then :)
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15:35<potato>let me look into this deeper then...see you later
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15:38<chileno6>otra vez devuelta
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15:39<avu>forgot the ~
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15:43<jenipapo>je n'arrive pas a monter une partition ntfs-3g en non root
15:43<jenipapo>qqn peut m'aider ?
15:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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15:44<jenipapo>I cannot mount a ntfs-3g partition in non root
15:44<jenipapo>somebody could help?
15:44<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
15:46<kyper>azeem: all is well now. thanks for the help
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15:50<panagos>my sound system is not working? any help? i am using kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64, alsa 1.0.15-2, motherboard: ASRock ALiveNF6G-VSTA on-board sound controller
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15:50<panagos>* my sound system is not working! any help? i am using kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64, alsa 1.0.15-2, motherboard: ASRock ALiveNF6G-VSTA on-board sound controller
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15:54<Maulkin>!doesn't work
15:54<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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16:01<locsmif>Hi, if i would like to find out what version of coreutils was in woody, what do i do?
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16:03<flypiper>locsmif, are you running woody?
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16:03<flypiper>dpkg --version coreutils should work
16:03<azeem>!info coreutils woody
16:03<azeem>!info fileutils woody
16:04<azeem>ok, that doesn't work
16:04<azeem>locsmif: check
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16:05<flypiper>I never understand why they ask a question and then go mow grandma's yard and come back tomorrow to check for an answer
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16:05<Eulex>I have woody sources here. but there appears to not have been any package named coreutils in woody.
16:05<locsmif>nope, just that I need to set a minimum version of coreutils in my debian package
16:05<azeem>locsmif: huh?
16:05<locsmif>flypiper: i understand, sorry
16:05<locsmif>azeem: it's a bash script, and it uses some coreutils
16:05<azeem>locsmif: are you going to upload that to Debian?
16:06<locsmif>it has been used for a long time in several Debian spinpoffs
16:06<azeem>anyway, you should read up in policy on what "Essential: yes" means
16:06<locsmif>azeem: if I were to upload that to Debian, a DD would be helping me right now.
16:06<locsmif>(And he would have protested anything unsound)
16:07<azeem>well, I just did
16:07<locsmif>azeem: yep, Lintian told me
16:07<locsmif>and I've read debian-policy
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16:07<locsmif>i've even patched it.
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16:07<azeem>why do you conclude you need to depend on woody's version of coreutils?
16:08<Eulex>(if woody had a coreutils package, it was probably named something else)
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16:09<locsmif>The tool's (named infobash) whole purpose is providing backwards compatibility. In the course of its life, it has been written to support changes in tools, so that both new and old versions are supported. The reason for that is that the tool is built to show info about a system
16:09<locsmif>Including ancient released like woody
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16:10<locsmif>That way, users of the tool, or people who see output of the tool can tell somebody they are using an ancient version of Debian, or something similar.
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16:10<locsmif>Anyways, there is a proper use case. However to get back to my question: need to find out at least the version of coreutils in woody
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16:11<azeem>22:00 < azeem> locsmif: check
16:11<panagos>alsamixer fails with "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
16:11<Eulex>locsmif, cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6; uname -ar *shrug*
16:11<locsmif>azeem: ty
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16:12<panagos>it seems alsaconf also doesn't do anything...
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16:13<Ivenutor>looks like bluez-utils for debian is missing ?
16:13<Ivenutor>is that right?
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16:15<Eulex>is it supposed to have it?
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16:17<locsmif>Eulex: I'll take the Sarge version then
16:17<locsmif>azeem: thanks for the help man
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16:17<locsmif>flypiper: sorry for the slow response, I was googling at the same time
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16:18<Eulex>locsmif, if you can, follow azeem's advice and do not depend upon it at all, but let debian manage it for you.
16:18<Ivenutor>according to the bluez how to... bluez-utils is all you need for bluetooth audio, but if you try to set it up
16:18<Ivenutor>it complains that is missing
16:18<Ivenutor>is it in some other package?
16:18<Eulex>locsmif, you'd have to build one deb for every debian release you support, but that's the right way to do it anyway.
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16:19<Eulex>Ivenutor, I can't find it. you could file a bug.
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16:23<Flakk>Hello people, I have a very general question which senso stricto is not in the subject, but maybe you can help me to understand what is going on. I am using Debian since several years with great pleasure I am really happy with it. This is a great job done by many people. I start to ask myself: how do they get paid for this job? The Debian is free, so this is not the commerce which helps the people who works on it. What then??
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16:24<azeem>sward: eh?
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16:24<azeem>sward: please keep it on topic
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16:25<azeem>Flakk: people either get paid to work on Debian by their company, or they do it in their free time
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16:26<Flakk>azeem : you mean there are companies who include debian in their projects? - the amount of work is so enormous that I can not beleive thae people do it only in their free time, maybe 10% of all rpograms are done like that
16:27<Flakk>(sorry for typos)
16:27<lupine>Flakk: the majority of programs are worked on in people's free time
16:27<dkr>Flakk: 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot
16:27<lupine>for instance, the entirety of GNU was written in rms's lunch break one slow friday afternoon between lattes
16:28<lupine>and the kernel was magicked into being by linus for his sister's birthday
16:28<lupine>Debian is mostly community-written, unlike distros like red hat and suse
16:29<lupine>(although the higher-up apps - gnome, kde, etc stuff - get changes sent upstream by all distros, so all distros benefit from that)
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16:29<Flakk>lupine: but there is the structure of the whol;e thing! I mean this is not the question of writing several disjoint programs
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16:29<dkr>Flakk: impressive, isn't it. but just ebcause it is hard doesn't mean it is impossible to accomplish. :)
16:29<lupine>Flakk: The Cathedral and the Bazaar. Did you read it?
16:30<Flakk>for exemple the kernel is modified from time to time
16:30<lupine>possibly the only worthwhile thing that raymond ever did :p
16:30<Flakk>and incredibly efficient I must add, I watched the passage from sarge to etch
16:30<dkr>lupine: how about the hacker's dictionary? :)
16:30<lupine>he stole it
16:31<lupine>also hax0red it in a bad way
16:31<Flakk>i mean the whole universe of the progs must be adjusted to each other, so there is an immense volume of the aork, I would imagine a year job for a hundred of people
16:31<sward>If only I had a farm, with goats, then I could say that I run my business, to do with my farm, with goats, on Debian, and say goats are the answer.
16:32<lupine>Flakk: no
16:32<lupine>the UNIX way is to write a whole bunch of little programs that do their job well. They're self-contained, and perfect
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16:32<lupine>so putting them together requires surprisingly little work
16:33<Flakk>and what about Red Hat? - well I never tried their stuff since too expensive
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16:34<Flakk>but they seem to have a whole business
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16:34<lupine>Red Hat sell support for the distros they make
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16:35<Flakk>you mean their main product is not the distro, but the maintenance?
16:35<lupine>you can download 'community' editions with all the work in for free (Fedora et al)
16:35<krowa>I've problem with making file system on DELL PowerEdge 860 with SAS 5i controller [2x250GB SATA HDD], I has stoped on 33%
16:35<krowa>RAID 1 ;]
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16:36<Flakk>lupine: I thought Fedora is sort of a test platform, I mean they try something they put it in Fedora and when the users are not happy they fix it
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16:36<lupine>it's Red Hat wearing sheep's wool
16:37<lupine>and I remember - legally - getting Red Hat 6 for free
16:37<lupine>you just don't get the support
16:37<lupine>openSuSE, openSolaris, etc... very similar models
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16:37<Flakk>sward: i did not quite get what you said about goats --
16:38<orioni>can u tell me a soft for gps ?
16:38<orioni>i have the gps module
16:38<sward>Flakk: Forget it, I was being silly, and as azeem said, off topic.
16:38<orioni>but i dont have a software to log the data on debian
16:38<krowa>ok problem solved :) needed to wait 30 minutes :D
16:39<panagos>aptitude search '~ngps|~Dgps'
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16:39<panagos>* aptitude search '~ngps|~dgps'
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16:41<orioni>noithing ,only ntp soft
16:41<orioni>netw time proto
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16:41<orioni>other help panagos ?
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16:42<panagos>orioni: to be honest, i don't know much about gps software...
16:42<Flakk>lupine: basically what you say is that all this does not take much time, well this makes the debian still more attractive, although it is really hard to believe
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16:42<lupine>Flakk: you can believe it or not, as you please
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16:43<Flakk>:) whatever the result is great
16:43<kevinl>hello. question if I may: If I was just compiling a kernel and my machine locked up, can I "resume" the build?
16:43<kevinl>its been going for about 2 hours already, slow machine
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16:44<lupine>kevinl: you should be able to
16:44<kevinl>is there something besides "make" ?
16:44<kevinl>that I would type?
16:44<lupine>make shouldn't recompile a unit if the source file hasn't changed
16:44<lupine>so 'make' should just resume from where it left off
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16:47<monra>I write a simple assebmly program and then assembled it with nasm but whn ttrying to run the program i get errors like this:./hello: line 2: C: command not found. I followed the asm code from any ideas?
16:47<jtd->Im installing Debian for the first time and Im having trouble getting it to configure my DHCP Server automatically. The documentation says to check the fourth console for error messages but I dont know where or what that is. What do I need to do to get Debian to automatically configure the DHCP server?
16:48<panagos>is there a full list of all X *-dev packages?
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16:49<petemc>jtd-: you mean dhcp client? the installer should ask you if you want to use dhcp or not
16:50<petemc>the fourth console can be accessed by pressing alt - f4
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16:51<jtd->petemc, no, it says its trying to configure the Network by contacting my DHCP Server
16:51<jtd->Doesnt say anything about the DHCP CLient
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16:51<petemc>a client connects to a server
16:52<jtd->ok, so then what needs to happen in order for the install program to setup my network config automatically?
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16:53<jtd->Sorry this is all new to me
16:53<petemc>you need to have a functioning dhcp server on your network and debian needs to recognise your network card
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16:59<panagos>i use kde with some gnome apps, but there are incompatibilities between the font sizes of gnome and kde! specifically: kde's 12 points are gnome's 10 points, so either i get very too large fonts in kde apps or too small in gnome apps! can someone please help me with that?
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17:00<jtd->petemc: would a router keep debian from contacting the DHCP server?
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17:00<lupine>jtd-: depends on how the router is set up
17:00<locsmif>jtd-: routers in routing mode usually would
17:00<lupine>DHCP requests are sent to
17:01<locsmif>unless they are set to forward dhcp traffic
17:01<lupine>(sort of)
17:01<jtd->and something about ports 67 and 68
17:01<locsmif>DHCP requests are sent to port 68 of a dhcp server
17:01<locsmif>DHCP clients listen on port 67
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17:02<locsmif>the other way around, heh
17:02<lupine>you know what you mean, I'm sure :D
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17:02<locsmif>DHCP clients listen on port 68 UDP
17:03<jtd->so fowarding those ports on my router would then enable Debian to connect and configure network settings automatically?
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17:03<locsmif>and afaik the DHCP protocol uses a raw base
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17:03<corky>how can i download a file to my server?
17:03<locsmif>so it occurs over ethernet and bypasses firewall rules in some occasions
17:04<Maulkin>corky: wget?
17:04<locsmif>meaning INPUT and OUTPUT rules
17:04<corky>with a link
17:04<lupine>jtd-: no, it's more complicated than that
17:04<locsmif>But this only applies to the early traffic
17:04<corky>like... somecommand [download url] to [file name]
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17:04<lupine>you'd need to put your router in bridging mode
17:04<avu>corky: like Maulkin said, wget
17:04<lupine>or it might have a DHCP proxy mode
17:04<lupine>(if you're lucky)
17:04<corky>ok, ill check the man ;-)
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17:05<corky>thnx! :D
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17:18<locsmif>azeem: removed coreutils dependency altogether, I seemed to have misunderstood you earlier
17:18<locsmif>a friend reminded me about essential packages and dependencies ;)
17:18[~]locsmif is new to packaging
17:19<jovas>algum brasileiro aqui?
17:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:20<jtd->locsmif: is there a particular site that would be useful if I have the 4th console messages for my install problems?
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17:20<locsmif>jtd-: hmmm, don't know what you mean by 4th console
17:20<locsmif>if you mean you have the log output
17:21<jtd->whatever the screen that comes up during install when you press alt-f4
17:21<locsmif>just try to google relevant parts. But for DHCP across a router, you must properly configure the router
17:21<locsmif>Or you must put the router in bridge mode
17:21<locsmif>If windows works behind the router though, then Debian should work
17:21<locsmif>And in that case you are doing something else wrong
17:21<jtd->thats what i was thinking
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17:21<locsmif>You are not using wireless are you?
17:21<lupine>not necessarily. Linux is generally standards-compliant :p
17:22<locsmif>lupine: :p
17:22<lupine>who knows what windows does with it's IP stacvk
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17:22<locsmif>jtd-: doing netinstall?
17:22<locsmif>you can go to ALT-F2, and do ifconfig
17:22<locsmif>do you have an ip address?
17:23<jtd->ill give google a shot
17:23<jtd->a have a read there
17:23<nacs>what kind of router are u talking about
17:23<jtd->it came with the fios package
17:23<lupine>it's also possible windows is being all UPnP-y
17:24<nacs>home network stuff ? no ideo what fios means
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17:24<jtd->yeah fiber optic
17:24<jtd->home stuff
17:24<nacs>if it is a basic home router, it has a dhcp server build in most likely
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17:24<ZiloG>hi any relative easy way to install debian (clean) from a knoppix live cd (not looking for the chroot way)
17:25<ZiloG>prefer a netinstall
17:25<ZiloG>(not a knx-install either)
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17:33<Nemoder>ZiloG: why can't you boot the debian installer?
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17:36<Harlekino>tnx for tryng to help me
17:36<Harlekino>i was very rude
17:36<Harlekino>sorry for fljud
17:37<lupine>what flood? that flood just now? :)
17:37<Harlekino>learned lot lot
17:37<lupine>the enter key is not your friend
17:37<Harlekino>lupine, :)
17:37<Harlekino>baby haxor
17:38<Harlekino>37 m Croatia
17:38<lupine>wana cyber?
17:38<Harlekino>debian user since potato
17:39[~]lupine puts on her robe and wizard's hat
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17:39<Harlekino>lupi ne croatian to english translation : don't hit me :)
17:40<Harlekino>not interested
17:40<Harlekino>in cyber games
17:41<Harlekino>/faceyellowto blue
17:41<Maulkin>Let's keep it on topic please...
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17:42<Harlekino>from hits on #debian
17:42<Harlekino>ok Maulkin
17:43<Harlekino>Maulkin, 14:13:59 UTC?
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17:43<Maulkin>Harlekino: What?
17:44<Harlekino>Maulkin, i know something about topic
17:45<Harlekino>TZ is missing
17:45<Harlekino>but tnx anyway
17:46<ZiloG>Nemoder: out of cd's, and currently on smallband(14kbps) , i was planning on starting the install and let it download its packages all night
17:46<ZiloG>so any saved mb is a saved mb
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17:47<ZiloG>foun something like lubi but it seems that it is ubuntu only
17:47<ZiloG>and a realy freaky ting on virtual partions and stuff
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17:49<Nemoder>ZiloG: well it should be possible to make two partitions, save the installer to one of them, boot to it and install to the other one
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17:55<ZiloG>Nemoder , maybe ill try the chroot install afterall seems like less effort. (and i dont like downtime) thanx anyway. i was hoping some guy wrote a "setup" to do this but it seems not
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17:57<ZiloG>Nemoder: yeah thats what i meant with the Chroot way ;)
17:57<ZiloG>so thats what i'm gonna do now
17:58<Harlekino>ZiloG, realy small band
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17:58<Harlekino>im doing the topic thing many tnx Maulkin
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17:59<ZiloG>Harlekine , jup 3 days till broad band again (belgian isp's s*ck) only 12GB/month
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18:00<Harlekino>ZiloG, shutdown and wait for 3 days
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18:01<Harlekino>last time i done sometihg like go on net w/o security updates baad thing happened
18:02<Harlekino>itroducing to Z language appeared on my desktop :)
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18:05<Harlekino>big r01
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18:06<Harlekino>big enoug to change name
18:08<ZiloG>Harlekine, yeah and consume 40% of my monthly availeble bandwith for a debain install ;) wich can be performed at night and on smallband , [streaming pr*n cant be performed on smallband ...]
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18:10<Harlekino>ZiloG, i pay for flat dsl since availabe in my county :)
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18:29<_Gabriel>I have an interesting symlink issue that I'm trying to figure out. Is anyone around that would like to help me out?
18:30<Pryon>only if you promise to be more specific
18:31<_Gabriel>I've got a directory tree, with a symlink farm. Say I've got these directories: $base, which refers to a directory below the webroot of apache. $packagedir, which is outside $base. $packagedir contains directory trees of data. Symlinks exist in $base/app and $base/htdocs to directories in $packagedir. Under $base/htdocs/js is a php file. It contains a require() call to open a file in "../../app/utility/". This fails. I've got
18:31<_Gabriel>$base/htdocs/js, and attempt to cat the file at "../../app/utility/" - "No such file or directory." Tab-completion from the shell reveals the file. But the open() system call fails. This is running under a Xen kernel, under Etch. I have a duplicate of this not under xen, and it works.
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18:31<_Gabriel>The kernel version is 2.6.18-4-xen
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18:32<_Gabriel>The issue appears on both ext3 and xfs, so I'm doubting it's filesystem, or at least specific filesystem.
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18:42<TodoDoc>moin suche ein freenx paket für ppc. hat jemand zufällig eine gute url für debian paket
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18:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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19:01<_Gabriel> /quit
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19:32<nivanson>The package nvidia-kernel-source is not to be found in testing at the moment. Should I use the unstable one instead?
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21:17<linuxjon>anyone have experience with getting Vuescan installed and working on Debian 4.0R1? or Ubuntu 7.04?
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21:34<hasan>have r u
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21:40<polm>I would like to implement some QoS on my Debian router. Specifically I want to give priority to a certain system. Can this be done?
21:40<dpkg>i heard lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO,
21:41<dondelelcaro>polm: see above for details
21:43<polm>How can I confirm if the Netlink option is enabled in my kernel?
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22:08<SpudDogg>hello all
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22:09<SpudDogg>Just changed over from Ubuntu, if anyone cares...
22:09<SpudDogg>They have too much crap in their OS these days
22:11<SpudDogg>Anyone here have any insight into getting an Intel wireless care working?
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22:15<arguapacha>hi. Can anybody help me figure out why my Etch + KDE system is completely freezing every time I try to end my session?
22:15<arguapacha>where do I start to look for info?
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22:16<jeff__>Hey can any of you recommend a program that will monitior my connection, and report to me when a new host comes online in my LAN
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22:18<jeff___>Someone is using my wireless, and I would like to be alreated when they come online
22:19<SpudDogg>jeff___: you could just restrict the MAC addresses allowed. Chances are, whoever is using your internet won't know how to spoof
22:20<jeff___>Well, I know i could restrict the Mac. Its a girl in the apartments next door. I really dont want to limit her connection, I would actually be interested in watching her packets go accross my network, see what shes doing online lol
22:20<SpudDogg>jeff___: Also, have you considered encrypting it? WEP is a joke but good enough to stop most people
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22:20<jeff___>I know its a girl because her computer name is "Emily's pc"
22:20<SpudDogg>jeff___: well, i do not know of any program that does that...I can tell you how to grab those packets though, lol
22:21<dwu>jeff___: So you're doing to carry out unauthorised monitoring of someone who's using your network without authorisation? Two wrongs don't make a right.
22:21<SpudDogg>dwu: sure they do :)
22:21<arguapacha>can't you do it with wireshark in promiscuid mode?
22:21<dwu>SpudDogg: they don't, and it's really not a joke. Then again, I'm sure he doesn't care.
22:21<jeff___>thats true they dont exactly make a right
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22:22<dwu>There's no "exactly". They don't "roughly" make a right either.
22:22<jeff___>but if shes using free internet, Then I have the right to monitor that connect! besides, I just think it would be interesting
22:22<dwu>jeff___: No, you don't have the right, and "I just think it would be interesting" isn't going to stand up.
22:22<SpudDogg>dwu: you're's not a joke. however, if someone is using your connection is it actually illegal? anything encrypted (via HTTPS) would be a pain to see anyway
22:23<dwu>SpudDogg: It's legal to get them off your network. If they haven't agreed to be watched, monitoring them is probably illegal -anyway-.
22:23<SpudDogg>dwu: I've heard packet monitoring equated to listening to a radio station...Could be false. You're probably right legally, and definately right morally.
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22:24<jeff___>wow, I suddenly feel bad!
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22:24<jeff___>I might as well block the connection
22:24<SpudDogg>jeff___: no worse than using that internet connection to access her box and searching for *.jpeg or something
22:25<SpudDogg>LAN connection i should have said
22:25<jeff___>she could be doing somehting illegal and I dont want to be held responsbial
22:25<dwu>SpudDogg: ah, but radio stations -intend- for you to hear them. I don't care if people go "if you don't intend to be watched, you should encrypt everything" - that's pretty much crap. You -should- encrypt things you -definitely- don't want to be seen, but you should also have the right to do a Google search without someone seeing your search terms.
22:25<arguapacha>why don't you just say hello to her? :P it's only one floor away :P
22:25<dwu>jeff___: Then you should be dropping her connection, not sniffing her traffic.
22:25<dwu>SpudDogg: And I think actively accessing her machine would be even worse :)
22:26<jeff___>right guys, I didnt plan to exploit her machine
22:26<jeff___>just watch the packets fly
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22:26<SpudDogg>jeff___: dwu is right, it is morally wrong to do that and probably illegal. just encrypt your network :)
22:26<dwu>Of course... maybe she just has wireless on, is using a wired connection to surf the net, and her wireless card just connects to the nearest available wireless network and she didn't bother to do anything about it.
22:26<dwu>Then you'd be a -dick- and not just doing the wrong thing :)
22:27<dwu>On the other hand, maybe she's cracking into your machine right now... which means you should drop the connection :)
22:27<dwu>SpudDogg: Ethically, not morally.
22:27<SpudDogg>jeff___: dwu is reminding me of the little guy that sits on your shoulder, lol
22:27<SpudDogg>jeff___: but he's right
22:28[~]dwu is no conscience. Just careful. And is a she.
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22:28<SpudDogg>dwu: sorry she
22:28<jeff___>yea, true dat. She probally has no idea whats going on
22:28<arguapacha>Still... companies do check via sniffing what the workers are doing with the bandwith...
22:29<dwu>arguapacha: Ah, but workers implicitly agree to - there's probably a clause in their contract somewhere.
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22:29<dwu>(In fact, there's usually a clause that goes "I promise not to do random stuff online with work machines and bandwidth, and I also agree to let you make sure I'm not doing it")
22:30<dwu>(FWIW, I -also- think that's wrong. It's ethically wrong, but companies have covered their legal asses, which... doesn't make it ethically right :))
22:30<jeff___>I changed my SSID to say Jeffs network, use at your own risk
22:30<dwu>(Hrm, illegal asses... probably what they -don't- want you seeing at work :))
22:30<arguapacha>true... true... :P then... either he goes down and invite her some coffee, or use WPA-PSK to secure the net
22:30<jeff___>i think ive seen her cooking from my window :P
22:30<dwu>Or just drop the DHCP lease or whatever. *shrug*
22:31<jeff___>but does wireless general broadcast on an ethernet lan if its from the same router. Im jsut wondering
22:32<dwu>jeff___: If it's on the same -network-, yes.
22:32<dwu>(routers can separate networks)
22:32<arguapacha>Ok... sorry to hijack the "thread" but... where do I start looking for info if I am trying to figure out why closing my KDE session hangs my machine?
22:32<peterrooney>jeff___: my 2 bits: (her) being an idiot doesn't give you the right to be one.
22:32<dwu>arguapacha: X logs?
22:32<dwu>peterrooney++ # succinct, correct.
22:32<peterrooney>arguapacha: nohup and /var/log/
22:32<jeff___>peterrooney Dont worry, I changed my decision
22:32<arguapacha>dwu: thanks
22:32<dwu>And so once again, the day is saved... thanks to CONSCIENCE! (Maybe.)
22:33<dwu>(Well, y'know, not.)
22:33<arguapacha>jeff... just go talk to her... LOL... she might be a great cook
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22:34<jeff___>thanks dudez
22:34<peterrooney>jeff___: you're welcome.
22:35<jeff___>Ive learned to curb my enthusasim for looking in peoples personal files. At a PC repair shop i worked at in august, the techs had a habit of scanning the client's HDs for pictures
22:35<dwu>I hope they got raped hard when someone found out. *nod*
22:35<jeff___>they would copy all thier music files, and pictures of any attractive pictures
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22:35<jeff___>i thought it was pretty un-etchical
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22:35<SpudDogg>jeff___: it is unethical, but i'd do it
22:36<peterrooney>jeff___: imagine if they found tubgirl. that would stop them right quick while they're scrubbing their souls
22:36<jeff___>holy hell
22:36<dwu>I'd copy music, mind. Piracy isn't invasion of privacy :)
22:36<jeff___>lol tubgirl or 2girls1cup would scare them
22:36<dwu>Pictures... ehhh, no thanks. I have enough of my partner.
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22:37<jeff___>esp if a hot chick brought the PC in. My manager would be all over her HD!
22:37<dwu>Urgh. I hate people like that.
22:39<jeff___>yet the place i work now, the guy isnt even interesed in it! kinda crazy
22:39<SpudDogg>jeff___: lol @ 2girls1cup
22:39[~]jeff___ shudders
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22:40<dwu>jeff___: Crazy that he's not interested?
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22:40<jeff___>dwu: crazy that the other guys i was working for were creeps, and i thought that was just regualr tech behivor
22:41<dwu>jeff___: Er, yeah. Techs are not usually creeps. I know my fair share. *nod*
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22:41<dwu>(There are creeps everywhere anyways)
22:42<jeff___>dwu: they were real pricks, really uptight. The guy i work for now is REALLY laid back. It puts me in a more comfortbal mood, and I am 50% more productive now and can figure out things better, consdierng Im not under constant pressure
22:42<dwu>jeff___: Wait, they were uptight -and- violated customers' privacy? Dude, I'd've blown a whistle on them :)
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22:43<jeff___>dwu: I read an article the other day about the BSA paying people to inform on companys using unlicenseds versions of windows
22:44<jeff___>dwu: I thought about reporting thier stuipd asses
22:44<jeff___>if they cannot find a valid COA they slap a pirated version on or win2k
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22:44<dwu>jeff___: Meh, the windows thing, I don't care. (My company isn't a windows shop)
22:45<dwu>(And I'm not going to be there for much longer, interning ends at end of January)
22:45<jeff___>well, you know that these little computer repair shops pirate all day long
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22:45<jeff___>I wish I could work with linux
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22:45<jeff___>but i have no formal education of certifications
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22:45<jeff___>no idea where to start
22:46<dwu>I like those little computer repair shops - some of them are really decent places to get good stuff.
22:46<jeff___>so im a bottom of the latter tech 10 $ an hour
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22:46<dwu>Eh, become junior tech support at a company that does Linux or something.
22:46<jeff___>yea if its good people working, they will treat you with respect
22:47<jeff___>i live in a city where i doubt there is much linux going on
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22:49<jeff___>I just want to find a setup on debian thats fast and responsive for a computer witha 1.3 processor and low memory usage
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22:49<jeff___>ubuntu is fun but a little on the slow side
22:49<jeff___>for my box
22:50<dwu>I used to have a machine from 1998 with some random processor and 64megs running Debian :)
22:50<jeff___>what kind of GUI should I use
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22:51<jeff___>xfce isnt cutting it
22:51<jeff___>fluxbox is OK but, i dono...
22:51<dwu>I ran XFCE just fine.
22:53<jeff___>yea im on xp SSHed to my debian server, a 350pII its a beast, a fileserver and it runs torrentflux
22:54<dwu>You have a PII? Lucky... *whistle*
22:54<jeff___>lol. well, im proud of myself. I was going to throw it to the gators, but i recycled insted
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22:55<SpudDogg>jeff___: gators? you from FL somewhere
22:55<SpudDogg>jeff_: ahh. sorry to hear
22:55<jeff___>You already know
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22:56<jeff___>if i was old and retired, and the police wernt such tyrinaical fucks, then i would love it here
22:56<SpudDogg>I'm actually going to be moving to NH soon
22:56<jeff___>that sounds awesome.
22:57<jeff___>Lots of ron paul supporters out there
22:57<SpudDogg>Isn't he pretty blue?
22:58<jeff___>im not sure how to explain him. Hes pro constitution
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22:58<dwu>Nothing wrong with blue, non?
22:58<jeff___>he is fiscially conservitive, but has many "liberal" ideas concering the iraq war
22:58<SpudDogg>I'm on his site and he says Rep, but I haven't checked his issues or anything
22:58<jeff___>he wants to get rid of the IRS, the INCOME TAX
22:59<SpudDogg>A few in here might hate me for this, but go Fred Thompson
22:59[~]dwu just continues rooting Obama from outside the country.
22:59<jeff___>so thats more conservitive than any other Rep canadiate
22:59<jeff___>but he wants to pull out of the middle east competley
22:59<jeff___>no bases left, anything. just get out
22:59<SpudDogg>thompson does, jeff?
22:59<jeff___>no ron paul
23:00<jeff___>but as far as social goes, he wants to get rid of the income tax, get rid of alot of things. He is libertian more than anything
23:00<SpudDogg>they spelled capitol wrong on ron paul's site. it's spelled capital, lol
23:00[~]dwu wishes Stephen Colbert had been allowed to run properly :(
23:00<dwu>SpudDogg: No, it's not. "The Capitol" is right.
23:01<jeff___>he wants to make it where you can decide to have private Social securtory
23:01<SpudDogg>dwu: right, they spelled it "capital"
23:01<SpudDogg>instead of capitol
23:01<jeff___>yea just read it there
23:01<dwu>jeff___: OK, "private" and "social" are contradictions in terms.
23:02<jeff___>he wants to make it an option, to opt out of socail security, (sence the program is projected to be bankrupt in years to come)
23:02<jeff___>or to pay your own savings account or something
23:02<jeff___>he bascially had me sold when he said he wants to get rid of federal income tax, competely
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23:02<SpudDogg>at least ron paul has his head on pretty straight about gun control
23:03<dwu>SpudDogg: What's his stand on that?
23:03<jeff___>oh yea, hes deftinaly PRO constitution
23:03<jeff___>he wants people to be able to own guns
23:03<SpudDogg>i'll have to read more about him soon, i suppose. but for now, im off to bed. g'night all
23:04<jeff___>People call him a kook, because he wants to bring the gold standart back
23:04<jeff___>goodnight man
23:04<dwu>Eh, sounds fair to me, I guess.
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23:04<jeff___>says it will stop inflation, if we stop printing money out of thin air
23:04<jeff___>and actually back it with something
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23:04<dwu>The income tax one sounds good, but he's got to have a tough job coming to convince the government to do it, no?
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23:04<jeff___>well, the only way we would be able to afford it is if we pull out of iraq.
23:05<dwu>Sounds good to me.
23:05<jeff___>then we would just about break even, without the income tax
23:05<dwu>Inflation might also go down when the government stops subsidising left right and centre :)
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23:05<dwu>jeff___: Break even for when? 2008? 2010? 2050?
23:06<jeff___>hell yea, you know we have a "federal reserve" Which is bascially a secert org. of private banks that decide how much money is to be printed in the year. they also decide how much interest rates to be
23:06<jeff___>break even as soon as we stop spending 600 billion a year
23:06<jeff___>on mantiaing our empire
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23:07<schecky4>Anyone know of a stable Debian distribution to run on an older computer with a 32mb integrated graphics processor (its crap i know...)?
23:07<dwu>schecky4: Debian will run on that. The current Debian stable will run on that - are you asking about something else besides the distribution?
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23:08<jeff___>everyday that i work, the goverment takes 15% of what i make
23:08<schecky4>dwu: the thing is a monstrosity. it almost always fails to load the X server with Debian
23:08<dwu>schecky4: Which means you're asking about what desktop environment, -not- what distribution.
23:08<jeff___>and spends it on BULLSHIT
23:09<jeff___>thats why I get paid in cash 8)
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23:09<schecky4>dwu: Yeah, you're right... maybe phrased that wrong.
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23:10<dwu>schecky4: I thought so. Text-mode debian will most certainly run on that - check out other, lighter window managers, like Fluxbox or something. You're already prepared not to play 3D games, I suppose. :)
23:10<jeff___>what irks me is that i have a nvidia geforce4 AGP slot avaibal, and the drivers dont work correct
23:10<jeff___>in opengl. the textures are all black
23:11[~]abrotman looks at dwu ...
23:11<schecky4>dwu: ha.. no. I'm just setting it up as a server. It was a windows one and my last windows computer... but after almost smashing it with a hammer I decided to switch to Debian
23:11<dwu>abrotman: Yes?
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23:11<dwu>schecky4: Well, then install a minimal Debian install without X then :)
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23:12<jeff___>schecky4: I use debian ona 350 mhz pentium 2 with 128 megs of memory, and it is a great file server. no gui though, im sure it could handle it
23:12<schecky4>dwu: yeah I think I'll try flubox or open since i'm not comfortable enough with the text-only yet. thanks for your help
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23:13<schecky4>Heh, i'm still a novice really. Still need the gui for a lot of things
23:13<dwu>schecky4: Pleasure. Also take a quick look at XFCE - it used to run on 64 megs of RAM and some weird integrated graphics card I had, it -may- still do :)
23:13<schecky4>but i'm getting there
23:14<dwu>schecky4: Note, though, that *box and ilk, as far as window managers go, don't come with fancy configuration panels like KDE/Gnome.
23:14<jeff___>schecky4 What are you planning on using it for
23:14<schecky4>dwu: i ran vector linux with XFCE before (to mess with my school's comps). its not bad
23:14<dwu>schecky4: It's pretty nice, yeah.
23:14<jeff___>schecky4 I could probally point you in the direction of some NICE howtos on setting up a server
23:14<schecky4>jeff___: server. well, a ressurected server
23:14<jeff___>like doing Apache, mysql, fileserver, windows networks etc
23:14<schecky4>jeff___: thanks, but i have several that worked on my notebook
23:15<schecky4>yeah thats waht i did mostly
23:15<jeff___>its a step by step, in fact you can do it over an SSH coneciton so you can just throw the box in a closet
23:15<schecky4>i just have a dell 2400 sitting in the other room collecting dust
23:15<jeff___>no need for a gui
23:15<schecky4>one day i'll get there...
23:16<schecky4>well, thanks again everyone. i'm out
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23:35<jeff___>whats the best terminal IDE for cpp?
23:35<Staz>vim of course :)
23:35<jeff___>no thankyou
23:36<dwu>"terminal IDE"? They have those? emcas prolly has some sort of compiler built in.
23:36<dwu>(no bloody surprise)
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23:36<jeff___>well just easy to use, auto-tabs, colour highlight varibiles etc
23:37<dwu>Vim does syntax hilighting, and I've seen it do tabs.
23:37<Staz>it sure does
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23:38<jeff___>how do i set that up, or is it something i shuld google
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23:38<gsimmons>!tell jeff___ -about vim syntax highlighting
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23:39<jeff___>awesome. this automagically works on c++ too?
23:40<dwu>If you download the right syntax file, etc.
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