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---Logopened Sat Dec 01 00:00:16 2007
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00:00<petemc>it seems contradictory to ask how to do things by yourself
00:00<petemc>consider tghT
00:02<aletornw>ok but i have no idea where to start from
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00:02<petemc>familiarise yourself with your current system
00:02<petemc>as drab as that sounds
00:02<petemc>or dont
00:02<aletornw>there's no info about kde4 in debian
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00:03<petemc>thats not true
00:03<aletornw>i was trying to figure out a package name or something
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00:04<petemc>you're out of your depth
00:04<petemc>adapt to your current surroundings
00:04<petemc>then push forward
00:05<gravity>There's the kde4 livecd
00:05<aletornw>i know
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00:06<gravity>There may also be pieces of it in experimental
00:08<gravity>s/may also be/are/
00:08<gravity>So yeah, you could grab those I guess
00:09<gravity>But stuff in experimental is not really ready yet
00:10<aletornw>i just read this command in google
00:10<aletornw>apt-get install kdebase -t experimental
00:10<gravity>oy... you should probably read a lot more before you go executing random commands
00:12<aletornw>haha yes but i don't know where to read what it exactly means
00:14<gravity>Try the man pages
00:15<gravity>Also try and learn exactly what each part of that command means
00:15<simonrvn>kde4 is still very much beta, it's got some rough edges that cut you easily, improvement happens every update, but ow
00:15<simonrvn>so no, not for a newbie
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00:17<gravity>Yeah, I'd agree
00:17<cvarrick>i'd like to install xmonad on PPC arch but it doesn't show up in apt-cache search. is it available?
00:17<gravity>Well, that's not true. It's fun if you don't mind possibly breaking your system.
00:18<gravity>Breaking your system trying to do something crazy, then fixing it, is a great way to learn
00:18<cvarrick>i've got basically everything in sources.list
00:18<gravity>cvarrick: It is in unstable
00:18<gravity>But yeah, not for a newbie who doesn't want to do that
00:18<cvarrick>i've got deb unstable main contrib non-free restricted
00:18<gsimmons>cvarrick: A binary package doesn't appear to be available for PPC.
00:19<cvarrick>ok, thanks
00:19<aletornw>kde4 is in rc1
00:19<streuner_>cvarrick: restricted?
00:19<aletornw>i think it's very mature
00:20<cvarrick>you're saying restricted is syntactically incorrect?
00:21<gravity>What is it?
00:21<streuner_>cvarrick: it doesnt exist
00:21<gravity>Oh, you got that from ubuntu
00:21<cvarrick>your right
00:22<cvarrick>i sometimes take a shotgun aproach to package management
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00:22<cvarrick>i've got ubuntu and debian systems
00:23<streuner_>cvarrick: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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00:23<cvarrick>ii libc6 2.7-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
00:25<gravity> tells us that xmonad fails to build on powerpc right now
00:25<gravity>Not really sure why
00:25<cvarrick>i did try to build it it
00:26<cvarrick>it didn't work
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00:27<gsimmons>cvarrick, gravity: See <>. It's waiting on a dependency to enter in a few architectures.
00:27<gravity>gsimmons: Yeah, I'm tracing it down now
00:27[~]gravity almost packaged xmonad
00:28<gravity>whoa, it looks like ghc ICE'd while building x11-extras
00:28<gravity>Yeah, that'd stop xmonad from getting built
00:28<gravity>cvarrick: I guess you'll have to fix ghc if you want it
00:29<cvarrick>i'll get right on that
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00:31<cvarrick>sorry, what does ICE refer to?
00:32<gravity>cvarrick: Internal Compiler Error
00:32<kmshanah>I'm starting to feel a bit stupid trying to get compiz to work on unstable, anyone willing to walk me through some debugging steps? I'm a bit stumped.
00:33<gravity>kmshanah: What are you stuck on?
00:34<kmshanah>well, I run 'compiz --replace' and my window decorations disappear
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00:36<kmshanah>ps shows that gtk-window-decorator is running
00:36<gravity>Does it give you any errors when you run it?
00:36<kmshanah>only two lines are output
00:36<kmshanah>GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering.
00:36<kmshanah>GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is available with indirect rendering.
00:37<gravity>Yeah, those are ok
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00:37<gravity>Man, I've seen this problem a few times but I don't really understand it :-\
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00:37<kmshanah>hehe, well I guess that makes me feel a little better ;)
00:37<simonrvn>needs to run direct for it to work?
00:38<kmshanah>AIGLX is enabled, according to xorg.0.log
00:38<simonrvn>i have 0 experience with that ^^, my card doesn't even do texture_from_pixmap
00:38<gravity>kmshanah: Try that link
00:38<gravity>I forgot Brice wrote that
00:38[~]kmshanah checks
00:39<gravity>simonrvn: No, it runs indirectly. The I in AIGLX is Indirect :-)
00:39<gravity>I don't know enough about the guts of AIGLX to know how to make it work for direct rendering. It's not the same path
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00:42<kmshanah>ooh, it works! :)
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00:42<kmshanah>thanks heaps man
00:42<gravity>God, we've got to just fix that
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00:43<gravity>It's silly that it's still a problem
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00:49<zeus>hi, i had a troble with install it was selected i`m can`t type on russian(
00:49<dondelelcaro>yeay for redbook
00:50<zeus>where is I wrong?
00:50<dondelelcaro>zeus: is your LANG russian? Did you select a russian keymap?
00:50<zeus>in instal?
00:50<dondelelcaro>zeus: yes
00:51<zeus>not remember (
00:51<zeus>for keymap...
00:51<dondelelcaro>zeus: ah; well, if not, you can change your X configuration to use one.
00:52<zeus>where it )
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00:56<dondelelcaro>zeus: has the instructions; unforutnatly, it doesn't look like theyu've been translated
00:57<dondelelcaro>zeus: I don't know enough about setting up russian stuff, but if you're lost, and someone here doesn't know, you can ask in #debian-ru on or using the mailing list; someone there will know
00:58<zeus>ok senk will try
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00:59<sdennis>I'm the upstream for a relatively minor package in Debian -- minor in the grand scheme of things. Someone else debianized it with permission, but they are now swamped with work. They in turn were sponsored by a DD. With the timing of Etch, we just let the older version stay there, but now, ... Anyway. My question is until Lenny gets closer, is there a reason to push for something newer? And, if my cohort is too busy, is there ad
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01:01<dondelelcaro>sdennis: yeah, the best thing to do is to see if the current maintainer of the package is willing to release a new revision, and if not, consider contacting the sponsorer or packaging a newer release yourself
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01:04<sdennis>I'll play it that way, then. Thanks.
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01:06<zeus> more question...I had intall apache2 whan I try to open *.php pages on my site there is an error ...
01:06<zeus>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
01:06<dondelelcaro>zeus: probably some kind of problem in your php script, since that kind of looks like a php error.
01:06<zeus>denied...were it blocks?
01:06<dondelelcaro>zeus: check the /var/log/apache2/error.log for more details
01:07<zeus>under windows it works fine
01:10<zeus>deny server access...)
01:10<zeus>apache conf....
01:12<zeus>omg ( how to restart apache?
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01:33<Supaplex>zeus: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
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02:18<zeus>I`ve a qeustion about myslq...I making sql dump under winXP, but when I try to import it to mysql5 in Debian it writing all ok inserted 0, try copy myd, myi, frm unwork ((( any ideas?
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02:21<Supaplex>try dumping it from debian remotely off the xp machine. maybe it's some encoding thing.
02:22<Supaplex>you're question could use some clarification anyway.
02:22<zeus>it same PC (
02:24<Supaplex>zeus: try the #mysql - they should know more about mysql on winxp than us
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02:35<BoBoBoSs>how close all port in my linux ?
02:38<Mr_Giraffe>BoBoBoSs, with your router...?
02:38<BoBoBoSs>with my linux
02:38<BoBoBoSs>i havve probleme with flood
02:38<BoBoBoSs>doss attack
02:39<Mr_Giraffe>edit /etc/hosts.deny
02:39<BoBoBoSs>but i don`t know who flood me
02:40<maks>why do you think you are flooded?
02:41<BoBoBoSs>my extern is down
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02:49<BoBoBoSs>have a solutinon ?
02:49<BoBoBoSs>for this ?
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02:51<simonrvn>BoBoBoSs: *you* can't do much about - you can only limit usage of bandwidth and other resources
02:51<BoBoBoSs>but how ?
02:52<simonrvn>limit connections via routing table editing or iptables limits
02:53<simonrvn>or, limit access to services, or both
02:55<BoBoBoSs>have a firewall for this ?
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02:56<simonrvn>not on the affected machine no, in front of it. also contacting your isp to tell them about it is best. they can do much more
02:56<BoBoBoSs>they say me to change my ip ....
02:56<BoBoBoSs>and for this ip have a public cs server have a radio station ... have a site
02:56<BoBoBoSs>and more
02:57<simonrvn>well, that's a good option
02:57<simonrvn>look into if you need that
02:57<BoBoBoSs>for me is not a good option
02:57<BoBoBoSs>simonrvn you have probleme with flood ?
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02:58<simonrvn>not currently no. have in the past.
02:58<BoBoBoSs>and how resolv it ?
02:58<simonrvn>what i said ^^^ ...
02:58<BoBoBoSs>call your provider?
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03:39<BoBo>hy how resolv this error ?
03:39<BoBo>checking gcc support ... failed!
03:39<dpkg>it has been said that be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
03:39<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
03:40<dli>BoBo, what are you trying to do?
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03:40<BoBo>to install a firewall :)
03:40<BoBo>i have more probleme with flood
03:40<dli>BoBo, you should use "apt-get install foo" to install packages
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03:44<andxy>Hi all
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04:01<simone>ciao a tutti
04:01<simone>sono un nuovo utente di linux
04:02<simone>e non so fare niente
04:02<simone>qualcuno mi aiuta?
04:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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04:04<Gorcom>Hi, would someone help, i am new on linux and i will just launch a soft that i uncompress! But what it the " Exe " in linux!
04:04<cahoot>Gorcom: using debian?
04:04<Gorcom>no limespire
04:04<Gorcom>its a debian kernel i think
04:05<Gorcom>in fact its nsconfig i will launch to configure the wireless
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04:05<dpkg>well, linspire is a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root)
04:05<cahoot>Gorcom: well the method to be used in debain is: aptitude install <some pkg/deb>
04:05<Gorcom>thx cahoot
04:06<Gorcom>its that a good distro? limespire
04:06<cahoot>Gorcom: I'v no idea at all about linspire
04:06<BoBo>how install it ?
04:06<Shoco>Gorcom: This is a Debian channel - so - what answer do you expect?
04:06<Shoco>BoBo: dpkg -i
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04:07<Gorcom>ok, know enough
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04:08<Shoco>BoBo: Read the whole dpkg manpage - it's interesting and will help you often :)
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04:52<o3yx>anyone know the minimum requirement for using cube in emerald
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05:15<WhyACow>hi i was wondering how i get a little debian help here?
05:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:17<witte>WhyACow: so yes
05:17<WhyACow>cool thanks.
05:19<WhyACow>im having problems installing debian 4r1 using the netinstall CD on an intel dp35dp mobo with 2 sata HDs and an IDE cdrom. I cant detect the cdrom even though it boots from it into the debian install. I have googled and nothing is really conclusive
05:19<WhyACow>ive tried everyone of the cdrom drivers debian lists also and none work
05:19<Eulex>tried an installer with a newer kernel?
05:19<Eulex>!etch 2.6.23
05:19<dpkg>etch 2.6.23 is probably kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
05:20<WhyACow>nope but ill try now thanks
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05:23<indraveni>hi all
05:23<indraveni>could some one please tell me, what is the difference between the updates installed through update manager and manually executing apt-get dist upgrade
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05:27<witte>indraveni: I do not know what the update manager is or does, but i can imagine that the update manager is just a frontend (could be also that the update manager only does apt-get upgrade, and not apt-get dist-upgrade
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05:28<indraveni>witte, what does , apt-get dist upgrade do then ?
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05:28<indraveni>hi dread
05:28<kmap>indraveni: dist-upgrade is to move from one `version' to another
05:28<witte>indraveni: look at the manual (and it is apt-get dist-upgrade ;-))
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05:29<kmap>indraveni: Like moving from Sarge to Etch, Etch to Lenny etc.
05:29<indraveni>yes, so my doubt is
05:29<kmap>indraveni: And to upgrade all packages in the current release, you do apt-get upgrade
05:29<witte>indraveni: dist-upgrade will also remove packages and do some more drastic changes, while upgrade only gets higher version numbers
05:29<indraveni>consider there a package which is newly aded in lenny,
05:29<indraveni>and it was not prev existing in etch
05:30<kmap>indraveni: OK
05:30<indraveni>then dist upgrade from etch to lenny, will install the new package also ?
05:30<witte>indraveni: no
05:30<witte>indraveni: unless it is a dependency from a program in etch
05:30<witte>sorry, lenny
05:31<witte>indraveni: you do not want every debian package to be installed
05:31<kmap>indraveni: witte is right. You have to manually fetch it if it is a new program. If it is just a new version of an old program, it will come in
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05:34<witte>indraveni: it could be however, that in lenny, package X has a dependency on package Y, which was not yet in etch, but is new in lenny
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05:34<witte>indraveni: in that case the new package would be installed
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05:35<WhyACow>Eulex: ive tried the custom disk now and same issue
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05:41<gsimmons>WhyACow: Try appending the following boot parameter, using the 2.6.23 installer:
05:41<gsimmons>!generic ide
05:41<dpkg>Force usage of the generic IDE driver by providing "generic.all_generic_ide=1" as a boot parameter to <d-i>.
05:43<WhyACow>to d-i?
05:44<WhyACow>i just type that letter for ltter in the " "?
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05:46<gsimmons>WhyACow: You'd specifically want to type "linux generic.all_generic_ide=1" (without quotes), instead of just pressing ENTER to boot normally.
05:47<gsimmons>WhyACow: I'm sorry, that's actually "install generic.all_generic_ide=1".
05:47<moons>hi, each time I start or shutdown my laptop, /usr/sbin/NetworkManager write a lot of messege on my tty, how can I make it more silently?
05:47<WhyACow>omg its working
05:47<WhyACow>thank you thank you thank you thank you
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06:03<mansour>how to send a mail from CLI ?
06:04<witte>mansour: you can use mutt
06:04<witte>mansour: or plain mail, but that is less user friendly
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06:04<witte>mansour: you can also use emacs, if you like emacs, this could be a sollution
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06:05<mansour>thanks witte
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06:16<nico> ca va
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06:20<samgame>good morning. I can't seem to get my soundcard working for a specific user in my system. I have added him to the audio group, root plays well, other users play well, but this user can't access the soundcard. what am I missing?
06:21<witte>samgame: did he/she log in again?
06:21<witte>samgame: mixer settings?
06:21<cahoot>samgame: 'id' says user effectively is in autio?
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06:22<samgame>witte and cahoot: no, ok, and no.
06:22<samgame>trying... back in a couple of minutes
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06:25<samgame>witte, cahoot, it worked.
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06:25<samgame>I did not realize the logout/login step
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06:25<witte>samgame: the user was in the group, but the /etc/group file was not read
06:25<gamog>doesn't Debian Etch 4.0 r0 CD has drivers for Gigabit ethernet card?
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06:26<witte>samgame: probably just calling bash whould also have worked
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06:26<nico>quelqu'un peut m'aider a insteller une imprimante reseau
06:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
06:27<witte>gamog: it should, but maybe not for all
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06:27<witte>gamog: if it doesn't you could try a installer with newer kernel
06:27<witte>!tell gamog about etch 2.6.23
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06:27<samgame>witte and cahoot: thanks again.
06:28<matteo>hi there, I would to replace my lenny's kernel with etch's kernel. How can I do it?
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06:29<matteo>because when I boot with lenny, often the system date goes off and I have to type it
06:30<witte>matteo: do you think that is kernel related?
06:30<matteo>wiht etch this never happened
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06:30<matteo>I tryed lenny before etch and therer were this problem, but now i would like to use etch
06:30<witte>matteo: cant you better install something like ntp?
06:30<cahoot>what kernel do you have atm?
06:31<matteo>ntp doesn't work because this problem occurs before the boot
06:31<cahoot>matteo: aptitude search linux-image will tell you the available kernels
06:32<matteo>well, before grub
06:32<witte>matteo: you mean it is a bios thing?
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06:33<matteo>but it happens only with lenny
06:33<witte>matteo: ok, no idea how the kernel would interact there. can't help
06:34<cahoot>matteo: getting a msg like: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out ?
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06:34<matteo>cahoot: where should i notice this message
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06:35<cahoot>in /var/log/boot if bootlogd enabled
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06:36<matteo>no, this file is empty
06:36<cahoot> is bootlogd enabled?
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06:37<cahoot>look in /etc/default/bootlogd
06:38<matteo>no, it's not enabled
06:39<matteo>I enable it and look next time the problem appears, thank you all
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06:46<tchmnkyz>hey all, looking for some way to increase the number of file descriptors i set fs.file-max but it dont seem to help... i dont know why either... dovecot is still telling me that there is too many open files. anyone got a suggestion?
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06:54<cahoot>tchmnkyz: it's not a matter of inodes used up?
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06:56<tchmnkyz>well how i increase the inodes then too
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07:00<rkos>damnit, how can i get wmadmo/wma9dmo files to play?
07:01<rkos>have the wma plugin for xmms but it plays only some of the wma files i have
07:01<rkos>and when it try to open those files that play with mplayer it says that i don't have the codecs for wmadmo and wma9dmo
07:01<rkos>but how can i get them
07:02<rkos>i've gone through some guides where you copy some codec .dlls to usr/lib/win32 but that didn't help
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07:05<tchmnkyz->ok in deb how do i extend the max number of inodes since there is no inode-max
07:05<alaya>rkos: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia and try installing vlc
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07:08<alaya>tchmnkyz-: do you have /proc/sys/fs/inode-max ?
07:08<tchmnkyz->it is a 2.6 kernel
07:08<tchmnkyz->this is on etch
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07:10<tchmnkyz->i have upped the the fs.file-max
07:10<tchmnkyz->but still i get too many open files
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07:12<alaya>tchmnkyz-: all i can find is
07:12<alaya>i.e, use jfs or something
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07:14<tchmnkyz->i dont think that is the issues
07:14<cahoot>tchmnkyz-: this seems more relevant:
07:15<tchmnkyz->that is on openbsd
07:15<tchmnkyz->not debian
07:15<tchmnkyz->that is not going to help fix my issues on debian
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07:20<jenipapo>hi all
07:21<jenipapo>I am unable to mount a ntfs-3g as non root :(
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07:21<dpkg>rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
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07:22<witte>jenipapo: do you have the user option in fstab?
07:22<jenipapo>yes i have
07:22<alaya>jenipapo: so add a line in sudoers file for it and grant mount perms to a user
07:25<jenipapo>"devev/hda6 /media/data ntfs-3g rw,users,exec,noauto,gid=100,uid=1000,umask=222 0 0
07:25<jenipapo>here is the fstab lie
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07:27<jenipapo>witte: no idea ?
07:27<alaya>there's also pmount command...
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07:28<jenipapo>alaya: ?
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07:29<tchmnkyz->from what i read
07:29<tchmnkyz->tells me the middle number is the number of free open files
07:30<tchmnkyz->yet every deb system i have shows a 0 for the middle number
07:30<tchmnkyz->fs.file-nr = 5395 0 1048576
07:30<tchmnkyz->yet i am no where near my liit
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07:41<god>alaya that wont help either
07:41<god>the kernel trap is for users
07:41<jenipapo>j'ai mis le user dans le groupe fuse : pas mieux
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07:42<tchmnkyz--->this is daemons
07:42<tchmnkyz--->mainly dovecot
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07:51<sandro>ciao prova
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08:04<ashley>Im getting "Could not resolve ‘’" sudenly when ever i run apt-get update
08:05<ashley>Could not resolve ‘’ when i run apt-get update
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08:16<moons>question, I have a sony cam, dcr-sr100, it has a USB 2.0 interface, but when I connect it to my laptop, the transfer speed is only USB 1.1. But I have a usb harddisk, it works ok.
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09:56<nubbun>What programs are there for inputting special characters for KDE?
09:56<matheus>j ufugames
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10:00<witte>nubbun: isn't there a kde program listed in the menu?
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10:00<witte>nubbun: or do you want to insert special characters in some application?
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10:01<nubbun>witte: Yes, into apps.
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10:01<nubbun>I looked in the accessories and accessibility menus.
10:01<witte>nubbun: i have no kde, so I can't check
10:02<nubbun>Found it!
10:02<witte>ah, ok
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10:02<witte>I did nothing :-)
10:02<nubbun>it was under the accessibility menu after all.
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10:11<nubbun>Here is perhaps the larger challenge: a web search engine which can find special characters. -- like ☯
10:11<nubbun>Google & yahoo can not.
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10:16<nubbun>wikipedia can find them.
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10:23<kulik>Hi, I have nvidia-glx installed on 64bit debian lenny, but 32bit nvidia libraries were not installed, is this the normal behavior? I want to be able to run 32bit OpenGL apps ...
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10:24<noflash>!tell RaSeBo|afk -about away nicks
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10:27<kulik>I am running debian lenny ...
10:28<kulik>and nvidia-glx-ia32 isn't available on lenny, I checked ...
10:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
10:29<witte>!nvidia one-liner
10:29<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
10:29<witte>kulik: nvidia-glx-ia32 isn't available?
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10:30<kulik>witte: on my debian lenny, it certainly isn't available ...
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10:30<kulik>I am gonna grab a sid package and see what I can do ...
10:31<witte>!tell kulik about simple sid backport
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10:44<gamo1>hi, I have just installed Debian on my new Acer laptop 4520, sadly it couldn't detect network while installation. also after installtion, it gives error while starting that it could not find any screen and X does not start. currently in the Device section "nv" driver is there and PCI 0:18:0. I want to get the graphics working first. I need help.
10:44<gamo1>Linux gamag 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux (I have installed it with Debian 4.0 r0 CD-1)
10:45<witte>gamo1: which network card and which graphics card
10:45<witte>gamo1: lspci |grep net
10:45<witte>gamo1: and lspci |grep VGA
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10:46<gamo1>witte: there are two lines of output. 00:0a.0 nvidia corporation unknown device 054c (rev a2) and Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)
10:46<gamo1>these two were for net
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10:47<witte>gamo1: that is ethernet and wireless
10:47<gamag>I have installed windows successfully. for that it shows nvidia nforce networking controller as the ethernet driver
10:47<gamag>witte: you mean nvidia is ethernet and atheros is wireless?
10:47<gamag>witte: for VGA: VGA compatible controller: nvidia corporation
10:48<gamag>on the laptop board it is written nVidia GEforce 7000m
10:48<gamag>witte: some people have suggested me to install a newer kernel since my current one is 2.6.18-4, do you think that will solve the problem?
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10:48<witte>gamag: that could help indeed
10:49<witte>!etch 2.6.23
10:49<dpkg>etch 2.6.23 is probably kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
10:49<gamag>or should I download nvidia 7000 geforce driver and nvidia nforce 610 driver for ethernet?
10:49<gamag>witte: ^^
10:49<witte>not sure, if you would have network, you could pull everything you need
10:50<witte>but as you have not, it could be interesting to try the 2.6.23 kernel
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10:53<gamag>witte: could you please explain why a newer kernel can solve the problems? would the kernel itself would contain drivers. i thought drivers are separate from kernel and they are just kernel modules.
10:54<witte>gamag: well, the kernel modules are distributed with the kernel
10:54<witte>gamag: and since your laptop is new, you wnat to have the newest drivers (2.6.18 is already quite old, nearly a year i think)
10:55<gamag>witte: ok. now that I don't have internet on the target laptop, i have to use my current laptop to download the kernel. is there a .deb file for kernel that i can download from ?
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10:55<gamag>I am sorry, I have always used aptitude earlier to do such stuff, so I don't really know which .deb file to download and transfer using usb.
10:55<witte>gamag: this is not ubuntu
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10:56<witte>gamag: are you on amd64?
10:57<gamag>witte: I just wanted to know whether the kernel is available as .deb file in or i have to build it from
10:57<witte>2.6.22 is availabe from
10:57<gamag>witte: oh sorry for telling ubuntu. that's the hangover of my past os. :-(. Yes I am on AMD 64, AMD athlon 64
10:57<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages.
10:58<gamag>witte: is that dpkg for me? it wouldn't work because I have no ethernet yet on that laptop
10:58<witte>gamag: never mind, you need networking for that
10:58<witte>indeed, forgot :-)
10:58<gamag>witte: thanks for that. I will try it out.
10:59<witte>gamag: and if that doesn't work, try the 2.6.23 installer which i told you about earlier
11:00<witte>gamag: disclaimer: you could get into a lot of problems if the new kernel nees some special packages...
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11:00<gamag>witte: my laptop is useless anyways, so let me take the plunge and try whatever i can.
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11:04<flawd>I am using Debian and I have timidity installed but I dont get any music in doomsday / jdoom
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11:07<gamag>i have inserted my cdrom, but I can't see any /dev/cdrom.
11:08<witte>gamag: any /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* or /dev/sr*?
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11:08<gamag>no output for hd*
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11:08<gamag>for sd* i have sda, sda2, sda4, sda6....sda9 these are my hard disk partitions
11:08<gamag>and sdb, sdb1, my usb disk
11:09<RaSeBo>noflash, away nicks aren't allowed in #debian?
11:09<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced.
11:10<RaSeBo>away/back messages, not nicknames
11:10<witte>gamag: you can use your usb disk to transfer the file...
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11:11<witte>RaSeBo: read the link, it is a nice text, but that is indeed less anoying than the away messages
11:11<gamag>witte: yes, but to compile nvidia drivers, it needs gcc which I have to install from my Debian etch cd
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11:11<witte>gamag: if you first have network, you can install everything from the net
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11:12<witte>gamag: and the new kernel will also support the other devices in your pc better
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11:12<witte>gamag: i hope :-)
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11:13<gamag>so what should I do know. it doesn't recognize cd, no network, graphics only with "vesa" (not with "nv")
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11:13<witte>gamag: install first the new kernel
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11:14<witte>gamag: if that works, you can enable your graphics card, i think your graphics card should work with etch (GeForce 7XXX G70, G71, G72, G73 is supported), but otherwise, upgrade to lenny
11:15<witte>gamag: with the new kernel, we can see what is still not recognised, normally you should have cd and network
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11:19<witte>gamag: my cdrom in my laptop is in /dev/scd0
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11:20<gamag>ls /dev/sc* gives nothing
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11:20<witte>gamag: i do not know which node names they get, it is always a bit different :P
11:21<witte>I just had to edit /etc/fstab because it used to be /dev/sr0 (and was /dev/hdc before)...
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11:27<knoppix_>hi all;o)
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11:41<kop>I've a pioneer dvr-110d dvd-rw drive. It's having problems writing dvd+R DL media. Is there a way (under linux) I can tell what firmware it's got and, if necessary, flash the firmware?
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11:43<cahoot>kop: see what wodim -prcap gives
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11:47<kop>cahoot: That's interesting. wodim says nothing about +R media at all. (that I can see). But the specs say it reads/writes +r (
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11:47<kop>cahoot: wodim says "generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW".
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11:48<cahoot>wodim declares: Does write CD-R media for mine so ...
11:49<kop>cahoot : Humm... wodim says "Revision: '1.17'" I think that means it's got an old firmware.
11:49<kop>cahoot : Mine too. It works with +R regular dvds, but not DL dvds. Apparently a firmware upgrade has DL fixes.
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11:50<kop>cahoot : Have you tried burning a DL dvd?
11:51<cahoot>kop: no idea what you talk about ;)
11:52<kop>cahoot : DL dvds have 2 layers and hold 7G-ish rather than just the 4.7G of a regular DVD.
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11:53<cahoot>kop: I see - you probably gather I've never tried
11:54<kop>cahoot : What does wodim say about your "Revision:" ?
11:54<cahoot>Revision : 'RB01'
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11:55<cahoot> 'MATSHITA' 'DVD-RAM UJ-852 ' - it's on a thinkpad T61
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11:59<kop>cahoot : Now I have to figure out how to flash the dvd under linux or dos. I take it that if "file" says it's a "MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (console)" it won't run under dos?
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12:05<gamag>i have just installed linux-image-2.6.22-3, after rebooting i am facing problems: /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
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12:06<gamag>also all mounts failed like /dev/sda1 on /root failed: no such device
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12:27<SpudDogg>Does anyone know why 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' actually installs iceweasel? it appears to be the same thing, but why iceweasel instead of firefox?
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12:28<metalqga>because iceweasel is the firefox itself
12:28<SpudDogg>metalqga, newest version or something?
12:29<gamag>why is it that the new kernel is not able to identify the hard disk when the old kernel could? the new kernel is 2.6.23 and thd old was 2.6.18
12:29<metalqga>it's a customized version by the debian developers
12:29<metalqga>why don't you boot with the old one?
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12:30<gamag>metalqga: the old one doesn't recognize my ethernet and cdrom
12:30<metalqga>choose hdd or nic :D
12:30<cahoot>maybe the info in /msg dpkg generic ide can help?
12:30<cahoot>gamag: ^^
12:32<SpudDogg>are the repos REALLY slow for anyone else?
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12:32<metalqga>i'm using a local repo, actually my isp is an unofficial mirror
12:32<gamag>how can I find out my hard disk controller - lspci | grep ?????
12:32<smertnik>hi all))
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12:52<_Tango__>debian supports SMP ??
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12:54<cahoot>i e the kernel
12:55<cahoot>might be you need 686 kernel dependeing on debianversion
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12:59<_Tango__>ok....Thanks cahroot
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13:08<cvarrick> what's the best way to monitor realtime disk throughput?
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13:09<panagos>cvarrick: there is ksysguard...
13:10<fxiny>gkrellm-hdplop , very psychedelic ...
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13:12<cvarrick>anything that works from a term? I want to read the value and display it elsewhere
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13:16<gamag> isn't there in any gcc package in the debian CD? i installed gcc-4.1.....deb using dpkg -i but a build-essential still says it depends on package gcc and refuses to install. the soft link of gcc -> gcc-4.1 is also not created
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13:18<chealer>gamag: which debian CD?
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13:21<gamag>chealer: found it in gcc_defaults. :-)
13:21<gamag>btw it was Debian 4.0 Etch r0
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13:30<erich_>Hello, does anyone know a good program to scan for open ports?
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13:30<petemc>erich_: nmap
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13:41<visicalc>@seek gnu screen
13:42<fxiny>gnu screen rulez :P
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13:47<respikox>hi anybody here?
13:48<respikox>i need help i'm start today in linux
13:48<respikox>i bought a server and i dont know
13:48<respikox>how install a gui for see in
13:48<respikox>my computer(windows) the server by gui interface
13:49<gamag>how can I change my screen resolution to 1200x800?
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13:49<gamag>I added it in the device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gdm restart, but in Preferences > Screen resolution, the 1200x1800 option still doesn't appear?
13:49<panagos>gamag: you mean 1280x800? :)
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13:50<gamag>panagos: yes
13:50<panagos>gamag: sure you didn't do any typo in xorg.conf, stating 1200x800 instead?
13:50<cahoot>first try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (as root)
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14:30<nigelbarker>I'm trying to get an Intel 945GZ onboard graphics run at high res with a 22" wide screen, but when I set 1650x1050 I only get display on the right half of the screen
14:31<nigelbarker>Using the Intel driver, it shares onboard memory, running lenny
14:31<nigelbarker>anyone got any tips?
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14:32<cahoot>xrandr -q lists 1650?
14:34<nigelbarker> 1680x1050 60.0 +
14:34<nigelbarker>(sorry, meant 1680 in my orig post)
14:35<cahoot>it's a desktop or a monitor attached to a laptop?
14:35<nigelbarker>desktop, Asus bare bones system
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14:37<nigelbarker>currently set to 1440x900, works fine full screen
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14:37<cahoot>I'm speculating here - tried declaring a larger chunk of mem?
14:38<nigelbarker>Think its set to 8MB at the sec, any suggestions how much I should try?
14:38<cahoot>64? 128?
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14:40<nigelbarker>Cool, will reboot and have a look :-)
14:40<cahoot>just restart gdm
14:40<nigelbarker>How can I set the memory without rebooting? 915resolution??
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14:42<chealer>nigelbarker: just curious, what's the barebone?
14:43<chealer>nigelbarker: nah, there's no use for 915resolution with lenny.
14:43<nigelbarker>mb & psu pre-fitted in a case - cheaper than buying the bits separately, less work, but no choice
14:43<chealer>(for intel GPU-s at least)
14:44<chealer>nigelbarker: buying the psu separately?
14:44<chealer>oh, yeah
14:45<chealer>but is is possible to buy a mb separately?
14:45<nigelbarker>You just add cpu, memory and disk(s) and you're running - very quick
14:45<nigelbarker>the mb costs 10 UKP less than the barebones system
14:45<chealer>nigelbarker: how much RAM?
14:45<nigelbarker>4GB, 1TB disk
14:45<nigelbarker>just trying to get setup
14:46<nigelbarker>so, how do I set the memory used by graphics, if not in the bios?
14:46<nigelbarker>(at reboot)
14:46<chealer>nigelbarker: oooooh. I was sure you were talking about a laptop.
14:46<nigelbarker>lol, depends how big your lap is
14:46<cahoot>nigelbarker: like VideoRam 32768 in xorg.conf
14:46<chealer>nigelbarker: anyway, go for at least 128 MB
14:47<nigelbarker>In the "device" section?
14:48<cahoot>I think so yes
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14:52<nigelbarker>right, I'll be back ;-)
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15:06<nigelbarker>Hi, tried both changes to xorg and then rebooted, looked in the bios
15:06<nigelbarker>choices re 8MB, 1MB or 0MB (ie disable)
15:07<nigelbarker>Think the answer is a pci express card ;-)
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15:13<nigelbarker>cahoot - any graphics card suggestions that are well supported in debian/lenny
15:14<cahoot>nigelbarker: no gamer?
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15:15<nigelbarker>Not particularly, puzzles yes, but I get travel sick when I play 1st person shootemups!
15:15<nigelbarker>Might try the odd flight sym
15:16<cahoot>nigelbarker: if you want/need 3d I'd say nvidia, else I'm content with my matrox
15:17<cahoot>but I'm certainly no expert
15:17<nigelbarker>Cool, thanks for that. I think ATI support is improving (slowly) but not as good as nvidia
15:18<nigelbarker>I'll go have a cruise of the websites, see what's on offer
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15:40<lymeca>I'm installing Etch on my new server with a single 147 GB drive I wish to use LVM with. I'm at the partitioning part of d-i and since I'm new to LVM+Debian I'm trying to figure out if I should create one big ext3 partition as /dev/sda1 or one big "Physical volume for LVM" option
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15:44<onur>Hi. I downloaded firefox from I try to open firefox, it's saying: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I already install libgtk2.0. What is the problem? I am using debian testing.
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15:47<chealer>onur: what are you trying to do?
15:47<onur>i am trying to open firefox.
15:48<chealer>onur: the installation is not complete/successful
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15:48<onur>i just download the tarball and extract to my home directory
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15:49<onur>iceweasel successfuly running
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15:50<oddtod>hey guys does any one know of a way to install a server that only boots to a terminal but i can remote in with GUI ?
15:50<JasonS>onur: you didnt like aptitude install iceweasel?
15:50<oddtod>like a virtual session?
15:50<JasonS>iceweasel is firefox
15:50<onur>JasonS: iceweasel is
15:50<JasonS>onur: we're always behind the latest release
15:51<onur>ok i am using iceweasel, but why not opening firefox?
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15:52<JasonS>like i said
15:52<lymeca>onur: get iceweasel fron sid of lenny if you want a later version.
15:52<lymeca>There is no Firefox in Debian onur
15:53<onur>lymeca: ok. I just download firefox from mozilla's site.
15:53<JasonS>onur: why? just use iceweasel etc.
15:53<JasonS>or iceape etc
15:53<lymeca>That's your choice,but go to #firefox for support.
15:53<lymeca>If you do run Debian I recommend Iceweasel though.
15:53<lymeca>My Iceweasel is at
15:53<JasonS>onur: if you installed from source lymeca is right, #firefox
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15:54<lymeca>and I have lots of 'firefox' extensions.
15:54<JasonS>.08 here but then im on stable with no backports
15:54<lymeca>JasonS: He probably didn't even do that. I'm sure he just got the GNU+Linux precompiled i686 executable from
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15:54<onur>i install iceweasel from apt, it's
15:54<lymeca>I'm on adm64 sid =P
15:55<JasonS>lymeca: show off
15:55<onur>i am too
15:55<lymeca>onur: That's because you are running stable
15:55<chealer>onur: you must be missing a stable security source.
15:55<onur>lymeca: i am not using stable
15:55<JasonS>onur: thats not right
15:55<onur>i am using testing
15:55<lymeca>Hmm,onur it looks like is in stable
15:56<JasonS>onur: then your missing something im on stable and mines higher then that
15:56<lymeca>Then you should see
15:56<chealer>onur: then your system is outdated.
15:56<lymeca>What source is your package repository from?
15:56<lymeca>Do you know about sources.list?
15:56<lymeca>You need to ensure you have proper sources set for packages and then update your package lists
15:56<lymeca>You will then see of iceweasel
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15:57<lymeca>Optionally you can add unstable/sid repositories and get
15:57<JasonS>lymeca: backports would be wiser
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15:57<onur>chealer: i just install last day
15:57<onur>my repository is
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15:57<JasonS>onur: doesnt matter
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15:58<onur>so why my iceweasel and this
15:58<lymeca>Oh shit!
15:58<lymeca>RadeonHD just made it into sid!
15:58<lymeca>That's amazing!
15:59<JasonS>missing something from sources, system out of date onur
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15:59<onur>i am changing my repository to i think that's because
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16:00<JasonS>that wont make a differene onur, or shouldnt at least
16:04<chealer>onur: we already told you
16:05<chealer>lymeca: yeah. one day it will have 2D acceleration too.
16:05<onur>yes its make different
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16:05<onur>i added mirror and iceweasel adding with
16:07<onur># apt-get upgrade | 166 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded. pfff why is'nt equal tr and us mirrors or another mirror
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16:09<bicross>Trompé de chan,désolé :)
16:09<bicross>bonne soirée
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16:12<chealer>onur: if you had updated your packages index before changing, because tr is out of date.
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16:14<onur>Ok chealer. I understood. Thanks.
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16:34<gamog> "aptitude install jigdo-lite" installs nothing.
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16:39<Flexy>is it possible to spindown sata drives? (ext2)
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16:39<DanDare>Flexy, tried using hdparm?
16:40<Flexy>DanDare: I tried, but what I got is a md mirror rebuild
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16:41<Flexy>don't know if it spinned down or not, but in any case, rebuild happened... should I try to spindown the two /dev/sd[b,c] or /dev/md0?
16:41<gamog>I can't find any testing .iso here:- ?
16:42<streuner>!listkeys multiple
16:42<dpkg>Factoid search of 'multiple' by key (4): x-multiple ;; multiple default gw ;; multiple ask ;; gpg sign multiple files.
16:42<streuner>!multiple ask
16:42<dpkg>i heard multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
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16:42<chealer>gamog: no
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16:45<potato>How do I get the window manager's and individual programs' settings to persist across different users? e.g. if I change the wallpaper for one user, how do I get it to change for a given set of other users as well?
16:45<potato>I'm running Lenny
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16:49<Flexy>DanDare: nope, hdparm -y or -Y does not spindown the disks, according to hdparm -C
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16:53<DanDare>Flexy, no clue... hdparm always work for me, never used on sata drivers tought
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17:06<ntipouan>my xserver crashes. just installed debian,with 2.4.27-2.386 kernel. could some1 give me some pointers?:X
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17:06<chealer>ntipouan: are you aware that you installed an old version of Debian?
17:06<ntipouan>i'm afraid i am
17:07<chealer>ntipouan: why didn't you install Debian stable?
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17:09<ntipouan>hm. thought the 3.1r7 sarge debian i had dloaded months ago was stable. unfortunately didnt have the time to burn the latest stable version so i thought i'd try to install this version and later dload the latest kernel.
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17:11<ntipouan>should i just tear the whole thing apart and install the latest version? i guess if thats the best way to fix this machine that's what i'm going to do. thanx for your response btw.
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17:29<real0ne>i have a problem
17:30<real0ne>who can help me
17:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:33<kop>I want to make a bootable dos filesystem. mkfs.vfat docs say it won't do it. What should I do?
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17:35<Br01>hi all
17:36<Br01>how to install the 3d desktop in KDE
17:36<real0ne>i have changed source.file
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17:37<kop>(I could dd a working bootable floppy, but my problem is that what I want won't fit in 1.44MB.)
17:38<kop>real0ne : ? There is no source.file. Do you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
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17:39<kop>I foolishly overwrote the boot sector on my usb stick, and now can't make a bootable fs (vfat).
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17:45<kop>real0ne : So then you need to tell us what the problem is. You can look at "man sources.list" for examples of what the lines in the file should look lile.
17:46<Br01>hi all
17:46<Br01>anyone know how to install a 3d desktop in KDE
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17:51<real0ne>my source.file is free
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17:59<chealer>Br01: if you're using etch, you can install 3ddesktop.
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18:01<Br01>i'm using etch
18:01<Br01>i'm back
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18:02<Br01>i restard the pc
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18:02<Double>so i restarted the pc
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18:03<Double>i need to fuck!!!
18:03<Double>drill someone up the ass or pussy
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18:04<NKD->Hi all. Having a generic linux issue. For whatever reason I cannot get commands to run on startup. I've tried several methods. Putting the commands into /etc/rc.local, putting them in a custom script and setting it +x in /etc/init.d/
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18:05<Shoco>NKD-: man update-rc.d
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18:44<Br01>hi all
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18:45<Br01>what's the deference betwen kernel-5-686 and kernen-4-486
18:45<Br01>i have 2 kernel is it normal
18:45<dli>Br01, it's okay
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18:45<Br01>when i boot grub give to chose
18:45<dli>Br01, you should be using 686, if you have no idea about the names
18:46<Gryfelhase>Hi. I'm using debian etch, with kernel 2.6.18-5 with udev. Does it matter, in what firmware-directory I store them?
18:46<Br01>about the kernel that i should start
18:46<Gryfelhase>Or what is the best place to do?
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18:47<Br01>so how to dell kernet-4-486 from the grub and the paquet
18:47<Gryfelhase>Br01: Edit the file: /boot/grub/menu.lst
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18:48<Gryfelhase>or use apt-get remove (the name of the kernel-image-package)
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18:50<chealer>Br01: 5-686 is newer and optimized for i686 CPU-s
18:50<Br01>but the paquet of nvidia-glx
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18:50<Br01>work in 4-486
18:51<Br01>my processor is p4 ht prescott 3.2 ghz
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18:54<Br01>i'll back
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18:56<sinterklaas>our own Arnie!
18:59<gsimmons>Gryfelhase: You're required to place firmware in either /lib/firmware, /usr/local/lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. The firmware loader agent will search each in turn.
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19:00<zeus>hi) hiw to start apach with root priveleges
19:01<Gryfelhase>thx gsimmons
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19:03<sinterklaas>zeus: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
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19:05<zeus>senk you
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19:09<zeus>and one more how change right (from root only can read) on dir and all subdir,files,
19:09<sinterklaas>sudo chmod og+rX $dir
19:12<zeus>for dir works but not for files inside(
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19:17<sinterklaas>zeus: -R
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19:20<zeus>sudo chmod og+rX -R $dir - works thx a llot ;-)
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19:39<gpm>hey guys, is there a way to tell apache that one particular file outside of cgi-bin is a cgi script?
19:39<gpm>without having a .cgi extension
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19:43<reflect>i installed windows 2k on my other hard drive, and now grub isnt loading at boot, how can I fix that? I cant get into debian now..
19:43<lupine>reflect: reinstall grub from a livecd
19:44<reflect>im on an ubuntu livecd now
19:44<reflect>can i do it from that/
19:44<lupine>well, yes
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19:44<lupine>mount your debian partition; chroot into it; run grub-install
19:44<lupine>make sure you mount --bind /proc and /dev
19:45<polusk>Can u tell me if it's possible to rename recursively some files, to change ' ' (blank) chars by '_' ?
19:46<lupine>polusk: you could use some combination of find, xargs and mv
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19:46<polusk>yeah sure...
19:46<lamby>polusk: There is a nice 'rename' utility for that sort of thing.
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19:46<polusk>can u give me the name, please? :)
19:46<lupine>well, you /could/
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19:47<lamby>polusk: man rename
19:48<aguu>hi i have a problem my connection is tooo slow
19:48<lamby>polusk: To make it recursively try "find . -type d -exec rename 's/ /_/g' {} \; "
19:48<polusk>lamby: i found that: find <directory> -name '.*' -prune -o -exec rename 's/\.jpg$/\.JPG/i' {} + ... but i'm not sure
19:48<reflect>ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ chroot /media/linux
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19:48<reflect>chroot: cannot change root directory to /media/linux: Operation not permitted
19:49<aguu>in debian is 18 Kb/s and in win is 106 Kb/s
19:49<lamby>polusk: Looks crazy. Actually there's a bug in mine.
19:49<polusk>i don't want to lose my data's
19:49<lamby>polusk: find . -type f -exec rename 's/ /_/g' {} \;
19:49<lamby>polusk: I have even tested it for you.
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19:50<polusk>thans a lot !
19:51<polusk>i was on different forum but i didn't test the cmd
19:51<polusk>thanks *
19:51<aguu>is weird
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19:53<aguu>i have a problem my connection is tooo slow
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19:53<lupine>anyone tried the debian KDE4 livecd?
19:54<lupine>I'm trying to run it in qemu, and getting fun kernel panic+infinite loop trying to show the backrtace
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20:02<lupine>nm, it just doesn't like the kqemu module. unsurprising, given the current situation
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20:35<simonrvn_>gravity: nice chatting with you there. it's too bad some people don't understand "use but don't sell or use it to sell"
20:36<flamsmark>hey, i'm having a problem with the wireless card on my laptop
20:36<flamsmark>it's an intel 3954
20:36<flamsmark>i didn't quite follow that
20:37<flamsmark>i'm a complete newbie
20:37<flamsmark>i was using the netwok manager
20:37<flamsmark>and it doesn't appear as an interface
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20:38<azeem>are you sure it's 3954 and not 3945?
20:38<flamsmark>well, that was unexpected
20:38<flamsmark>it may be the latter
20:38<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d".
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20:38<flamsmark>how do i edit my sources.list?
20:38<azeem>flamsmark: what does "lspci | grep Wireless" say?
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20:39<flamsmark>intel corporation PRO/wireless 3945ABG networking rev 02
20:40<azeem>ok, so 3945
20:40<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, the lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
20:40<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
20:40<azeem>edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root with your favourite editor. If you have none, use `nano'
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20:41<flamsmark>how do i start text edit as root?
20:41<chealer>flamsmark: which X session type do you use?
20:42<flamsmark>x session type?
20:42<azeem>1. become root 2. run "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
20:42<chealer>flamsmark: yes, such as GNOME or KDE.
20:42<azeem>1. can be done via "su -"
20:42<flamsmark>and the word i was looking for was nano
20:42<flamsmark>i'll get right on that
20:42<azeem>"If you have none, use `nano'
20:42<azeem>see above
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20:43<flamsmark>okay, lets assume that i'm going to break it if i try to use nano
20:46<soberon>Good evening... I have a digital camera HP photosmart 435. When I plug the camera via USB to my Debian 4, is recognaized and photo transfer is easy. BUT whe the camera have the memory card inserted, is not recognaized. I read some about a bug in some config file... Somebody can give me an advice please?
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20:46<azeem>soberon: so what photo transfer works?
20:46<flamsmark>right, so i already had non-free and contrib in my sources.list
20:46<flamsmark>and i run the two aptitude commands as root
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20:46<flamsmark>*ran, excuse me
20:47<azeem>soberon: ?
20:47<flamsmark>and it didn't appear in network manager
20:47<azeem>flamsmark: in that case, you might need to restart d-bus
20:47<azeem>"/etc/init.d/dbus restart"
20:48<soberon>Thanks Azeem... I mean that I can see the photos an handle it with gimp
20:48<azeem>flamsmark: also, does "lsmod | grep ipw" say something?
20:48<azeem>soberon: so how is the memory card not recognized if you see the photos?
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20:48<flamsmark>not it doesn't say anything
20:49<flamsmark>but i restarted d-bus
20:49<azeem>flamsmark: run "modprobe ipw3945"
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20:49<soberon>I see the photos made with the camera without the memory card; but that made with the card not
20:50<soberon>the camera pluged without memory card is mounted
20:50<azeem>soberon: and where did you put the card into? The camera? A card-reader?
20:50<flamsmark>modprobe - command not ound
20:50<azeem>flamsmark: as root, sorry
20:50<soberon>the camera have a memory card to expand its capacity
20:51<flamsmark>does something, but doesn't tell me what
20:52<azeem>run lsmod again
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20:53<flamsmark>ipw 3954 numbers
20:54<azeem>ok, now restart dbus again
20:54<flamsmark>ieee80211 numbers 1 ipw3945
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20:55<flamsmark>still nothing new in network manager
20:55<azeem>flamsmark: then run "/sbin/ifconfig" and look out for eth1 or eth2 or something
20:55<azeem>assuming eth0 is your ethernet
20:56<soberon>camera+memorycard pluged=no mounted; camera (without memorycard) pluged= mounted
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20:56<azeem>soberon: so the camera is not getting mounted at all if the memory card is inserted?
20:56<soberon>that is right!
20:57<soberon>i read abut a bug...
20:57<flamsmark>only eth0 and lo
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20:57<azeem>flamsmark: hrm
20:57<soberon>but do not remember where
20:57<azeem>flamsmark: last thing you can do is run dmesg and look for errors towards the end
20:57<azeem>regarding the ipw3945
20:58<dli>flamsmark, "lsmod|grep ipw"
20:58<azeem>02:49 < flamsmark> ipw 3954 numbers
20:59<flamsmark>hang on
20:59<dli>flamsmark, if ipw3945 is loaded, then, /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart
20:59<flamsmark>dmesg doesn't seem to have errors
20:59<azeem>that bit was missing by dpkg
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21:00<azeem>flamsmark: make sure you have the firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d packages installed
21:00<flamsmark>right, so i lsmod grep ipw and get ipw3945 <numbers>
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21:00<azeem>dpkg: ipw3945 is also modprobe ipw3945; /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart
21:00<dpkg>okay, azeem
21:01<dli>azeem, ipw3945d should auto restart upon modprobe
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21:02<flamsmark>when i /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart no such file or directory
21:03<azeem>02:56 < azeem> flamsmark: make sure you have the firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d packages installed
21:03<azeem>that's two different packages
21:03<flamsmark>i had the former, but not the latter
21:04<flamsmark>so i should restart dbus again?
21:04<azeem>check /sbin/ifconfig first
21:05<flamsmark>yep, there's an eth1
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21:06<azeem>ok, so if n-m still does not see it, restart d-bus; but maybe you just need to right-click->enable wireless networking or so
21:06<flamsmark>nm sees it
21:07<flamsmark>can i get an nm-applet that makes it easier to grab wireless networks
21:07<flamsmark>since right now, i have to go into nm, and through several menus to get a wireless network selection
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21:08<flamsmark>let me just check that it is actually working
21:08<azeem>what do you mean with "go into nm"?
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21:08<flamsmark>open the nm application
21:08<azeem>there's no nm application
21:08<azeem>flamsmark: install network-manager-gnome; run nm-applet
21:08<flamsmark>network settings
21:08<azeem>flamsmark: that's something else
21:09<flamsmark>well, the nm-applet in my
21:09<flamsmark>actually, i'm not sure what to call it
21:09<flamsmark>system tray?
21:09<flamsmark>anyway, that thing
21:09<azeem>what about it?
21:09<flamsmark>doesn't give me any control
21:09<flamsmark>it just tells me what it's thinking
21:09<azeem>what does it say if you right-click->InfO?
21:10<flamsmark>i have a right-clickabout
21:10<azeem>that's it
21:10<azeem>my desktop is in german
21:10<flamsmark>nm-applet 0.6.5
21:10<azeem>hrm, ok
21:10<flamsmark>it also has connection information
21:10<azeem>and a left click yields nothing?
21:12<azeem>I assume n-m now took over flamsmark's networking...
21:12<flamsmark>there we go
21:12<flamsmark>left click
21:12<flamsmark>knew i was missing something
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21:14<azeem>anyway, /me goes to bed
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21:15<flamsmark>nm did something
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21:15<flamsmark>but it was having trouble with my wireless network
21:15<flamsmark>brb, going to try again
21:15<chris_>good morning^^
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21:21<flamsmark_>anyone here?
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21:21<flamsmark_>good good
21:22<flamsmark_>how can i not have folders open in new windows?
21:23<flamsmark_>and how can i install firefox?
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21:23<flamsmark_>flamsmark has not quit
21:24<flamsmark_>he's right here
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21:24<kmap>flamsmark_: iceweasel?
21:24<chris_><= new to linux
21:24<flamsmark_>yes, what about iceweasel?
21:24<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU ( although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
21:24<flamsmark_>!why iceweasel
21:24<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
21:24<oxymor00n>flamsmark_: do you use gnome?
21:24<flamsmark_>yes i do
21:25<chris_>btw did you try synaptic?
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21:25<flamsmark_>can i remove iceweasel and install firefox?
21:25<flamsmark_>or is it exactly the same?
21:25<dli>flamsmark_, it's the same thing
21:25<oxymor00n>flamsmark_: edit -> preferences -> behaviour -> always open in browser windows in the file manager to open only one window
21:25<eth01>i've changed my hostname in /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname and hostname... when i reboot it goes back to 'devel'...?
21:26<eth01>so it's not remembering if you like, what i said told it to use.
21:26<flamsmark_>so it'll update the same and work with firefox stuff exactly as if it were firefox?
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21:28<oxymor00n>flamsmark_: mostly yes
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21:29<flamsmark_>can i swap it with the real thing by doing something like 'apt-get uninstall iceweasel' then 'apt-get install firefox' ?
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21:30<flamsmark_>remove, not uninstall
21:31<batrix>would someone be nice enough to help me with a printer issue i'm having... i installed my printer under hp-lip which i had to manually find my printer its a 2100 series which during the installation after i manually find it the install goes well but after install it says that its not detected...
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21:34<flamsmark_>so, swapping iceweasel for firefox?
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21:38<flamsmark_>anybody? firefox for iceweasel?
21:39<amphi>flamsmark_: to what purpose?
21:39<flamsmark_>so that the updates work right
21:39<flamsmark_>apparently the updates are disabled from 1.5
21:39<flamsmark_>and also, i just love the firefox logo
21:40<amphi>scurity fixes are backported in iceweasel by the DDs AFAIK
21:40<flamsmark_>not just security, the whole kaboodle
21:41<nowhere_man>flamsmark_: that troll is not only dead, it's rotten by now
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21:41<flamsmark_>i'm sorry?
21:41<flamsmark_>i don't follow you
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21:42<flamsmark_>nowhere_man, what do you mean?
21:43<nowhere_man>it has been explained many times why there's no Firefox in main
21:43<nowhere_man>and why there's Iceweasel instead
21:43<flamsmark_>yes i understand *why* there's n firefox
21:43<flamsmark_>but i want to remove iceweasel, and put regualr firefox in there myself
21:43<flamsmark_>and it is that for which i am asking for help
21:43<amphi>flamsmark_: go ahead
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21:44<flamsmark_>i apt-get remove iceweasel
21:44<flamsmark_>but when i apt-get install firefox
21:44<nowhere_man>flamsmark_: read the words very carefully
21:45<_spOOn_>you cannot apt-get install firefoxz
21:45<nowhere_man>there's no Firefox in main
21:45<_spOOn_>you would have to install firefox from a tarball
21:45<flamsmark_>no, i spell it orrectly in the terminal
21:45<flamsmark_>it seems that i have the right source
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21:46<flamsmark_>because it gives me firefox: Depends: iceweasel(< but is to be installed
21:46<flamsmark_>e: Broken packages
21:46<_spOOn_>flamsmark_, there is no package called firefox on the debian mirrors, therefore to remove iceweasle and install firefox, you need to apt-get remove iceweasle, and download and install firefox from mozillas website
21:47<flamsmark_>okay, how do i run text edit as root?
21:47<flamsmark_>[ i want to add a source which includes firefox]
21:47<_spOOn_>you could either do su, then run your editor, or you could login as root and run your editor
21:48<_spOOn_>or sudo (if installed) your editor
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21:48<flamsmark_>what is my editor called?
21:48<nowhere_man>flamsmark_: do you know an APT source with Firefox?
21:49<_spOOn_>flamsmark_, i would try nano
21:49<flamsmark_>i hate nano
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21:49<_spOOn_>bit easier than vi for you me thinks
21:49<flamsmark_>i feel like i'm going to brek something
21:49<_spOOn_>lol well then use vi :)
21:49<flamsmark_>i'm going to find an apt course
21:50<nowhere_man>a course may be a valid option too
21:50<flamsmark_>what about the app in the menu called text edit?
21:50<_spOOn_>lol in fact, i think it might be a better option :)
21:50<flamsmark_>oh shuh :p
21:50<_spOOn_>thats fine if you want a gui app
21:51<flamsmark_>but what's it called to run it as root
21:51<_spOOn_>what window manager are you using?
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21:52<_spOOn_>i wouldnt know sorry, dont use gnome, but i would have thought it would be something like gtext?
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21:53<_spOOn_>otherwise you could install mousepad
21:53<freehat>gnome's editor is gedit
21:53<_spOOn_>its a pretty simple user friendly gui text editor
21:53<_spOOn_>cheers freehat
21:53<_spOOn_>havent used gnome since mandrake 6.5 :) been a long time
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21:54<flamsmark_>that's it?
21:54<freehat>give it a try
21:54<onur>Hi. I want to run cvs with pserver. Cvs is saying: cvs [pserver aborted]: bad auth protocol start. I searched google. All documents saying, this is about from inet. But my inet working great on 2401 port. Where is the problem? Do you have any idea?
21:54<flamsmark_>it works
21:55<_spOOn_>i would suggest something along these lines: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:55<flamsmark_>yep, that's what i did
21:56<_spOOn_>i really dont know where you think you are going to find a mirror with firefox on it, but goodluck non the less :-)
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22:02<d00d__>How can i set gdm as my default not kdm ?
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22:03<dli>d00d__, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
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22:04<d00d__>dli: cheers
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22:10<Harlekino>i-m running lenny
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22:10<Harlekino>and have small problem with bigmem kernel image
22:12<Harlekino>learned lessons on pastebin
22:12<Harlekino>hard way
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22:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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22:18<Harlekino>pased aptitude error URL:
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22:19<gsimmons>Harlekino: You're short on available disk space. "No space left on device" message present on line 6.
22:22<Harlekino>tnk gsimmons
22:24<Harlekino>realy need my glasses
22:25<Harlekino>BOFH on recovery w/o glasses says many thanks to gsimmons
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22:29<Harlekino>/lib on full tmpfs
22:29<Harlekino>any ideas w/o reboot?
22:29<gsimmons>Harlekino: aptitude clean
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22:33<Harlekino>gsimmons, tnx for help me in cleaning
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22:33<Harlekino>gsimmons, but it seems i hava to small /lib partition
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22:34<Harlekino>to do the job
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22:39<Harlekino>have to sniff some Kvark
22:40<Harlekino>many thanks gsimmons, I have to go to sleep
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23:02<itst>pam_quota.c:36:34: error: security/pam_modules.h: No such file or directory
23:02<itst>any help?
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23:06<gsimmons>!wayttd itst
23:06<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, itst?
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23:09<itst>gsimmons: i need to install pam_quota for ldap... so i can create users with quota
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23:11<gsimmons>itst: Sounds like you need to install the 'libpam0g-dev' package.
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23:15<itst>gsimmons: yeah. thanks... i found it too :)
23:15<itst>apt-file finally worked
23:15<itst>gsimmons: thanks for the help
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23:33<gamog>where can I download Lenny .iso's from?
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23:34<gsimmons>!lenny install
23:34<dpkg>To install testing, see
23:34<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
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23:35<gamog>gsimmons: is blank
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23:36<Abu-Aadam>can anybody tell me where I specify for a lan adapter to start at boot using WPA and DHCP
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23:37<gsimmons>gamog: Then use a daily build.
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23:38<gamog>gsimmons: is forbidden. :-(
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23:44<Abu-Aadam>Hey I want to start my eth2 device with dhcp and wpa supplicant. What text file do I need to add this info. Sorry i'm from FBSD trying debian, alien to me ;)
23:44<gsimmons>Abu-Aadam: It's done via /etc/network/interfaces.
23:44<dpkg>well, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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23:53<Abu-Aadam>gsimmons: in /etc/network/interfaces I need to know how to specify it to use wpa_supplicant
23:54<Supaplex>Abu-Aadam: did you read the wiki and the usr/share/doc's?
23:56<Abu-Aadam>Supaplex: I am googleing around I find i can get more specific information.
23:58<Supaplex>open the wiki url dpkg already said, use ^F to find 'interfaces' a few times, and behold, a readme (svn)
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23:59<WhyACow>i have a linux file system question: i have an ext3 lvm and its having filesystem issues but everytime i boot up, i get a different list of files. like one time, a dir would be empty and then reboot and the contents would be there. anyone know if i could get ALL of it back??
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