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---Logopened Sun Dec 02 00:00:21 2007
00:01<Supaplex>sounds damaged
00:01<Abu-Aadam>Supaplex: thankyou for that links
00:02<WhyACow>yeah i have fscked it to death
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00:02<WhyACow>but i have dirs everywhere that are empty and a lost and found that is 233GB :/
00:03<cyberthug>you have a bad drive i just went thro that last week
00:03<WhyACow>i dont think i do, i think the fs is just stuffed
00:03<cyberthug>i thought the same to
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00:04<dpkg>smart is, like, the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package.
00:04<Supaplex>WhyACow: what's the smartmontools say about the disk?
00:05<WhyACow>nothing as yet :P
00:05<Supaplex>replacement drives are cheaper every day that passes.
00:05<WhyACow>these drives are only 6 months old
00:05<Supaplex>because you didn't investigate?
00:05<WhyACow>nothing is telling me HD at this stage
00:05<cyberthug>what kinda drive?
00:05<WhyACow>wd 320GB x 3
00:06<Supaplex>any harddisk can go bad in days after it leaves the factory
00:06<cyberthug>well said
00:06<Supaplex>MTBF is just that, M.
00:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mtbf is (Mean Time Between Failures) This is a time normally given in hours that predicts the failure of a device. The larger the number the better., or rigged mathematics, used for marketing, or at
00:07<Supaplex>if it is on warranty, get it replaced :) I had a 20gb that was rock solid stable until a few mo later. atleast the replacement drive still works to this day. :)
00:08<cyberthug>what kind of drive sup
00:09<cyberthug>i dont have good luck with wd
00:09<Supaplex>I have a lot of, what people joking call deathstars. I've never had an issue with hitachi/ibm drives
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00:09<WhyACow>ive never had any issues with any HDs ;)
00:09<WhyACow>touch wood
00:10<WhyACow>at the hardware level anyway
00:10<cyberthug>hitachi rules i think
00:10[~]Supaplex trashes the flux on WhyACow's drives with a 20 megagaus pulsating electomagnet
00:11<Supaplex>ewps. ;)
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00:12<WhyACow>so how do i run this smartmontools
00:12[~]Supaplex attempts to backport xen from sid to etch
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00:14<Supaplex>WhyACow: dpkg -L smartmontools
00:14<Supaplex>WhyACow: don't paste, but evaluate what's in the package. you've got man pages, docs, binaries, and other goodies.
00:14<WhyACow>sorry yeah smartctl :)
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00:14<WhyACow>its says all HDs passed
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00:16<cyberthug>i thibk smartmontools is going kde/qt interface in next version
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00:16<WhyACow>so i use samba (fileserver) with my windows laptop. I have about 1.5TB on the files server in both large and small files, whats the best setup?
00:17<WhyACow>im gonna blame samba for all my problems
00:17<cyberthug>samba does only what you tell it
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00:18<WhyACow>probably :P
00:19<Abu-Aadam>if I am on lenny and want to change back to stable do I just do apt-get dist-upgrade with stable in my repositories
00:19<Abu-Aadam>or dist-downgrade
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00:20<Supaplex>!taunt WhyACow
00:20<dpkg>looks at WhyACow's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee.
00:20<cyberthug>dist-downgrade i think
00:20<WhyACow>!taunt WhyACow
00:20<dpkg>looks at WhyACow's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee.
00:20<dpkg>i guess upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first
00:21<WhyACow>lol should be a random insult :P
00:21<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
00:21<Supaplex>my bad, not !upgrade. :P
00:21<Abu-Aadam>hehe I didn't think it was possible
00:22<Supaplex>next time consider <chroot install>
00:22<Abu-Aadam>is experimental equal to ubuntu or unstable
00:22<Supaplex>if you need to test something w/o toturing your box :)
00:22<Abu-Aadam>not "equal"
00:22<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
00:22<dpkg>unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
00:23<Supaplex>Abu-Aadam: those are all different. We didn't invent ubuntu
00:23<Supaplex>they just bumm off us :) which is ok, so long as we don't have to support their issues
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00:25<cyberthug>ubuntu isnt bad it has its issues
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00:34<beckham>is anyone there
00:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
00:35<beckham>i'm sorry i'm just newbi here
00:35<Supaplex>!tell beckham -about ask
00:36<beckham>just want to know how can i add subtitle to movies here , what prog i can use ?
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00:39<WhyACow>is there anything better than tightvnc for remote control of linux machines?
00:39<Supaplex>uh ssh?
00:40<cyberthug>the new gen doesnt like ssh
00:40<WhyACow>im gen y, i dont know what ssh is
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00:40<dpkg>[ssh] Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
00:41<cyberthug>doesnt use gui
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00:42<Abu-Aadam>WhyACow: theres putty if you're using windows to connect to it
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00:42<cyberthug>putty is free
00:42<Supaplex>ssh -X
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00:43<WhyACow>isnt putty something they use on wood?
00:43<Abu-Aadam>WhyACow: it's a program
00:43<WhyACow>narh i was looking at vnc equivalents :P
00:43<dpkg>well, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at
00:44<dpkg>i guess vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about x-not-vnc
00:44<WhyACow>you actually want to use portable putty cos stupid putty stores the login data in some weird place that doesnt travel
00:44<mosty>how can i check a disk that has failed as part of a software raid1 array?
00:44<dpkg>x-not-vnc is probably instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about sshx to learn how)
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00:46<beckham>what's the latest news
00:46<WhyACow>omg that microimages thing is like 3 years old
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00:47<Supaplex>h2o is old, let's get rid of it.
00:47[~]Supaplex microwaves WhyACow ;)
00:48<cyberthug>sshd is old to but its used everyday
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00:49<Supaplex>so is x
00:49[~]WhyACow puts on his windows tshirt
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00:49[~]Supaplex fires bb's at the windows
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00:49<Abu-Aadam>did anybody play the game winblows
00:50<Abu-Aadam>microshaft winblows
00:50<Supaplex>let's make the windows bleed
00:50<metalqga>which game?
00:50<Abu-Aadam>an old game
00:50[~]Supaplex aims a 22 at WhyACow's windows tshirt
00:50<Abu-Aadam>around time of win 98
00:50<Supaplex>hehe jk :)
00:50<cyberthug>yes i remember it well
00:50<metalqga>the most games I play recently are on my gsm
00:51<cyberthug>back when we only had 4 meg vid cards
00:51<Abu-Aadam>it was a collection of sub games
00:51<Abu-Aadam>billagotchie and things
00:52<Abu-Aadam>cyberthug: and winmodems that didn't work on linux at all
00:52<cyberthug>lol yes
00:52<Abu-Aadam>the external modems were fine though
00:52<cyberthug>i had to pipe thro win to get online back then
00:53<cyberthug>then came isdn
00:53<Abu-Aadam>never had isdn
00:53<cyberthug>i did
00:53<Abu-Aadam>Australia's been behind US in internet
00:53<Abu-Aadam>still is
00:53<metalqga>my external modem came with a small book which explained all the commands it was accepting, so it was easy working with linux
00:54<cyberthug>you have cable now right ?
00:54<metalqga>right now yes
00:54<Abu-Aadam>cyberthug: ADSL2
00:54<cyberthug>aahh dsl
00:55<cyberthug>i never was happy with dsl
00:56<metalqga>the best think in people is that they are never happy with the current things and strive to invent new things
00:56<cyberthug>i lived not to far from a willaims data center so i had t1 for about a year
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01:01<gustavo>how do i set quota to user/group on samba + ldap?
01:01<Supaplex>it's not so much in samba, but ldap/pam
01:01<dpkg>quota is, like, a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction.
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01:04<cyberthug>tightvnc isnt that bad
01:04<gustavo>Supaplex: how can i do this with ldap/pam?
01:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tightvnc is an enhanced version of VNC, optimized for low-bandwidth (e.g. modem) connections; see
01:04<gustavo>i tried pam_quota but it doesnt work with unix
01:05[~]lupine hugs NX
01:05<WhyACow>i use tightvnc on a lan and dont like it
01:05<gustavo>Supaplex: its already installed and working... but i have no idea how to set user quota automatically
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01:06<Supaplex>just thoughts, sorry I don't know. I haven't intigrated ldap yet.
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01:09<cyberthug>WhyACow why dont you like if you dont mind me asking
01:09<WhyACow>cos its ugly and slow
01:09<WhyACow>it lags on a lan ffs
01:10<WhyACow>compared to RDP.....
01:10<cyberthug>wireless or wired?
01:10<cyberthug>wow i never had that problem with it
01:11<WhyACow>maybe im spoilt
01:11<cyberthug>ha ha ha
01:11<WhyACow>maybe im annoyed about stupid linux fs dying all the time....i have to figure out what im doing wrong
01:13<cyberthug>is it a ide hd ?
01:13<WhyACow>lvm on 3 x 320GB ide yes
01:14<cyberthug>i havent used a ide for a longtime now im set on sata1 and sata2 drives
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01:15<WhyACow>yeah i got a new server yesterday....2x750GB and moving data over now....
01:15<WhyACow>taking FOREVER
01:15<WhyACow>animal porn takes twice as long to transfer for some reason
01:15<Supaplex>just pop the covers open, and shake the bits wildly out of the old one into the new one ;)
01:16<WhyACow>i would but new server only has 1 ide
01:16<Supaplex>!karma rsync
01:16<dpkg>rsync has karma of 1
01:16<WhyACow>i need 2 to move the HDs across
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01:24<cyberthug>WhyACow have you tried realvnc
01:24<dpkg>rumour has it, realvnc is at
01:24<WhyACow>no i dont like aids thanks
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01:27<cyberthug>WhyACow get the rpm
01:27<cyberthug>or could run it with wine
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01:33<dpkg>i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at
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01:35<Supaplex>evil evil alien
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01:36<cyberthug>alien good
01:36<Supaplex>I wonder if anyone's written alien-src to modify source packages. eg, convert a srpm into a debian equiv
01:37<Supaplex>you call dependency hell and disfigurment good? okay...
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01:38<cyberthug>i didnt like at it like that
01:38<dpkg>This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
01:38<WhyACow>whats a good network monitoring tool?
01:39<Supaplex>!tell WhyACow -about search
01:39<Supaplex>nagios, cacti, zsomething I never remember, mon? others...
01:40<dpkg>Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better.
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01:45<dpkg>hmm... vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about x-not-vnc
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01:46<Supaplex>dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
01:46<Supaplex>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b xen-unstable-3.0.999-rc3.1.0 gave error exit status 1
01:46[~]Supaplex tries to figure out what else is awry now
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01:50<gamog>linux kernel 2.6.18 of debian etch is able to detect my toshiba hard disk. but linux kernel 2.6.23 available with etch-custom of is unable to detect hard disks. are the drivers missing in this new kernel?
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01:52<dpkg>[freenx] a Free implementation of the caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb experimental main"
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01:55<Supaplex>gamog: why do you need the 2.6.23 if 2.6.18 works fine?
01:55<gamog>Supaplex: because 2.6.18 doesn't recognize ethernet card and audio. 2.6.23 can recognize ethernet card
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01:59<gamog>i know that 2.6.20 kernel has understands my hardware, where can I download its .deb from?
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02:00<Supaplex>gamog: I'd ask kmuto at (off's www site)
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02:01<Supaplex>!tell gamog about custom netinst
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02:14<Supaplex>what do I need to do for dpkg-source to treat this file as binary? it's a bootrom dpkg-source: cannot represent change to tools/firmware/etherboot/eb-rtl8139.zrom: binary file contents changed
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02:30<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering if there is a way to build a machine that i could have boot to CLI but connect in witha remote connection
02:31<oddtod>but witha gui
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02:32<Supaplex>as in run something like kde/gnome/etc on it, but display it locally?
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02:33<supaman>oddtod: you want a computer that when you boot into it locally you get a CLI but when loged in from outside (through net) then you get a GUI?
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02:37<oddtod>supaman exactly
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02:39<peterrooney>oddtod: if as supaman guessed, look into ssh: it's a two liner
02:39<Supaplex>oddtod: man ssh, read up on -X :)
02:39<peterrooney>$ X :1 vt11 2>&1>/dev/null &
02:39<peterrooney>$ xterm -display :1 -e ssh -X oddtod@special.machine &
02:39<supaman>would need a running X client for that
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02:39<peterrooney>and don't kill that xterm on a whim
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02:40<oddtod>thanks guys
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02:40<peterrooney>oddtod: damn, he left
02:40<supaman>that ~Adminsistr@ .. tells me this is a windows guy
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02:40<Supaplex>no loss. something tells me he didn't get a chance to test this, and he will be back soon.
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02:54<cyberthug>err freenx blows
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03:33<user4>hi all
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03:44[~]Supaplex grabs a few sources to patch linux-support-2.6.22-3 c/o #399700
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04:30<Supaplex>if I want to mod the foo.deb/control.tar.gz/control file, how do I repack the deb? dpkg -i mylast.deb says it's not valid. I'm testing a bugfix in a dev chroot :)
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04:35[~]fxiny mod ? sends a lambretta to Supa
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04:39<fxiny>get a vespa :P
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04:40<fxiny>ohhh i like it : so nerdy :)
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05:17<Kampfpommes>hallu ^_^
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05:18<Kampfpommes>I've a question for the installation of debian etch 4.0r1 =)
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05:20<Kampfpommes>I've a question for the installation of Debian Etch 4.0r1 =)
05:20<Kampfpommes>Ich habe eine Frage zur installation von Debian Etch 4.0r1 =)
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05:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:24<Kampfpommes>i've a problem!
05:26<Kampfpommes>i tried tu install Debian Etch 4.0r1, but if the installer tries to load the packes from the dvd, everything stops and the installation say that he can't load any package from the DVD
05:26<Kampfpommes>this happens at the first installation (mainsystem)
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05:29<Kampfpommes>i tried to install Debian Etch 4.0r1, but if the installer tries to load the packes from the dvd, everything stops and the installation say that he can't load any package from the DVD. This happens at the installation of the mainsystem
05:29<Kampfpommes>please help
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05:32<m_g>good day guys
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05:33<m_g>i'm reading an article on iSCSI and have a question: is there really no need to re-compile the kernel, i.e. can i just compile iSCSI as an additional module while running the system and then mount without a reboot?
05:35<Glico>Hi, it's probably an usual problem but my sound isn't working anymore, I'm using ETCH 2.6.18-5-686, can anyone help me ?
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05:39<potato>what is a good GUI/curses frontend for iptables?
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05:42<mildner>I can't get my WLAN funcioning
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05:45<Glico>Hi, it's probably an usual problem but my sound isn't working anymore, I'm using ETCH 2.6.18-5-686, can anyone help me ? ( I've tried alsaconf and other solutions )
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05:48<jenipapo>hi all
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05:53<ashley>Is there a problem with the Debian Apt servers, as when i run apt-get update i get "Could not resolve ‘’
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05:56<ashley>Anyone else having this problem?
05:57<fxiny>what's gb ?
05:57<ashley>A type of file Size
05:58<fxiny>i mean , taht gb
05:58<ashley>Oh XD
05:58<ashley>Its the place
05:58<ashley>Great Britian
05:58<fxiny>uk mate
05:59<ashley>Are you having this problem?
05:59<fxiny>try uk
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06:00<ashley>Works fine now.
06:00<ashley>Weird why it always worked fine with GB for about a year now.
06:00<ashley>Why sudenly stop.
06:00<fxiny>must be some Cymrun ppl dos attack :P
06:00<Kampfpommes>hello =)
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06:01<Kampfpommes>i've a big problem ^^
06:01<Kampfpommes>i tried to install Debian Etch 4.0r1, but if the installer tries to load the packes from the dvd, everything stops and the installation say that he can't load any package from the DVD. This happens at the installation of the mainsystem
06:01<m_g>you ate too many pommes?
06:01<graytron>Kampfpommes: check the dvd for errors
06:02<Kampfpommes>i'vd done this =)
06:02<Kampfpommes>no errors
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06:03<Kampfpommes>he can read the packages at the dvd-check, but if he tries to install die mainsystem he can't read anything. (packages link glibc6)
06:04<Kampfpommes>sorry for my bad english ^^
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06:09<Kampfpommes>Does Debian support Acer 5050 Notebook? Could this be the error?
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06:12<Kampfpommes>Does Debian support the Acer 5050 Notebook? Could this be the error?
06:13<Glico>please anyone can help me with a sound problem ?
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06:17<sinterklaas>Glico: just ask the question
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06:19<Glico>My sound isnt working anymore i tried alsaconf restart and other soltuions on net but it still doesnt work ... im using etch 2.6.18-5-686
06:20<valdyn>Glico: what exactly isnt working? what exactly used to work?
06:20<valdyn>nm, just ..
06:21<valdyn>!tell Glico -about ask
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06:22<valdyn>Kampfpommes: not sure from the scarce info, maybe your disk controller is not supported by etch
06:22<valdyn>Kampfpommes: if your notebook is newer than etch, then that is likely
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06:22<cnzzzcn> /
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06:22<Glico>valdyn: I'm running Debian version etch 2.6.18-5-686. and the sounds are not working anymore, any sound on any app.
06:23<valdyn>Glico: is there an error message?
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06:23<Glico>valdyn: no, ive looked at dmesg and nothing
06:24<valdyn>Glico: ls -l /dev/dsp
06:24<valdyn>Glico: run that ^^
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06:25<Glico>valdyn: file not found
06:25<valdyn>Glico: run: "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav"
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06:26<valdyn>Glico: im surprised your apps dont even throw an error message
06:26<valdyn>Glico: are they all set to use alsa directly?
06:27<Glico>valdyn: theres no msg errors ... yes they are set to use alsa
06:27<valdyn>Glico: ok.
06:27<valdyn>Glico: now what does that "aplay ..." give?
06:27<Glico>valdyn: when i play an mp3 or a movie it plays well but no sound
06:27<Glico>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/error.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
06:28<Glico>but no sound
06:28<valdyn>Glico: your sound is fine
06:28<valdyn>Glico: your volume settings might not be
06:28<valdyn>Glico: or your cabling
06:28<Glico>valsyn: alsa mixer unmuted master and pcm
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06:31<valdyn>Glico: paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/devices" on a paste site
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06:33<Glico>sala02-lnx:/usr/share/sounds# cat /proc/asound/devices
06:33<Glico> 0: [ 0] : control
06:33<Glico> 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
06:33<Glico> 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback
06:33<Glico> 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
06:33<Glico> 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture
06:33<Glico> 33: : timer
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06:34<Glico>ops flood =P
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06:40<Glico>valsyn: thx the new user wasnt on the audio group
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07:01<berat>i have a quenstion
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07:02<berat>i bougth acer aspire 5720
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07:02<berat>what can yall say about this laptop
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07:02<berat>and are there any problems with debian
07:02<berat>does debianmw ork well with acer aspire 5720
07:03<azeem>berat: check
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07:47<slayer84>Anyone having problems installing .deb's with gdebi?(In testing)
07:47<slayer84>The program seems to crash nautilus
07:48<slayer84>Also nautilus restarts when choosing proberties on a .deb file
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07:50<slayer84>Is it me who is stupid or should i file a bugreport?
07:52<slayer84>Hallo? Anyone
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08:00<artos>hi all
08:01<artos>i've got a little problem, could sbd help me? ;>
08:01<artos>it's about compiz fusion, libc6 in detail..
08:04<artos>why nobody writes anything here??
08:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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08:07<artos>ok, so.. I wanna install compiz fusion under lenny amd64 (kernel but when i checked package emerald, compiz-core etc and wanted to install them by aptitude, some depencences were shown.. i can't manage with them
08:07<artos>i'm talking about libc6
08:08[~]fxiny marks today as Saint Ask Martyr ...
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08:08<robin>your Debian version? etch?sid?or another.....
08:08<artos>i have it installed since I could remember, but compiz wants some newer version.. update manager (GNOME) didn't find sth
08:09<artos>i said.. ;>
08:10<muep_>lenny is the testing branch, so there may be some broken dependecies here and there
08:10<artos>hmm.. now i'm using KDE
08:10<artos>but some time ago, about 3 weeks
08:10<metalqga>i've been running etch with no problems for almost a year now
08:11<artos>i've installed compiz fusion under gnome
08:11<artos>next, i've installed kde and everything was ok
08:11<artos>but.. then it was 32-bit version :)
08:12<artos>now 64-bit
08:13<artos>(metalqga, i've got laptop, not some kind of server :P so don't tell me to go back to etch)
08:13<metalqga>my pc is not a server
08:13<artos>so.. can sbd help me with this..?
08:14<artos>(metalqga, understand it as a joke ;P)
08:14<metalqga>i see what you mean
08:15<artos>ok ok.. but i still can't find out what to do.. ;/
08:15<metalqga>and you think compiz will help you with your battery? :D
08:15<muep_>I'd advise to wait and see if it happens to work later
08:15<muep_>compiz is not that critical
08:16<artos>it's useful..
08:16<metalqga>muep_ that's so true
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08:17<muep_>compiz is useful sometimes, but at the moment it has hard time justifying itself for me, as it has many drawbacks, too
08:17<artos>i can always turn off compiz in one click, so.. that's no problem
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08:18<artos>viewing webpages with lots of flash animations is much more comfortable when you have compiz
08:19<muep_>viewing webpages with lots of flash animations requires an ad blocker or something similar
08:19<artos>lol :D
08:19<artos>like AdBlock in Firefox? ;>
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08:19<muep_>I use epiphany, but yes
08:20<muep_>how does compiz help with flash?
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08:20<robin>i've got problern whith COMPIZ for two monitors, forget it ,it's just flashy , i think so
08:20<artos>without compiz, desktop etc is rendered by CPU
08:21<artos>with compiz, GPU does this
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08:21<muep_>I think the rendering is made as it is normally made, but into independent surfaces that the GPU then combines
08:22<muep_>if you use compiz, I mean
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08:24<artos>hmm.. i've read somewhere that metacity etc doesn't use OpenGL to render those all windows, etc (sorry, i lack of words :P too weak english)
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08:25<muep_>I, too, think that metacity doesn't use OpenGL
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08:26<muep_>but Compiz doesn't draw the things inside the windows, so I don't think it can speed it up much
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08:26<artos>i don't know it for sure..
08:27<artos>but i noticed quite big increase in speed
08:27<artos>have you ever installed WinXP? ;>
08:27<muep_>yes, unfortunately
08:28<muep_>on the other hand, windows don't need to redraw themselves when, for example, the get exposed from behind another one
08:28<artos>so.. when you try to browse folders with file manager..
08:28<artos>or view webpages
08:28<artos>without installing gpu driver
08:28<artos>everything "jumps"
08:28<muep_>because with compiz, the applications don't draw themselves directly on the screen, but on a hidden surface
08:28<muep_>that compiz then quickly draws with opengl
08:29<muep_>artos: it's different. compiz isn't a driver
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08:30<artos>listen.. :) in linux: without compiz fusion this drawing is without direct rendering, right?
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08:31<muep_>but it is also without direct rendering when you use compiz
08:31<artos>in windows, when you don't have ypur gpu driver installed, it's the same - indirect rendering
08:32<muep_>the main speed advantage compiz gives is that it greatly reduces the need for applications to redraw themselves
08:32<artos>so what is it? ;>
08:33<muep_>the applications don't speed up, as they draw themselves to a bitmap in memory, as ususal
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08:35<muep_>when you normally open a menu in the upper edge of a window
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08:35<muep_>the menu usually covers part of the window
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08:36<muep_>and when the menu gets removed, the things under the menu need to be redrawn
08:37<muep_>compiz can speed this up by having each window, and I guess, the menu too, in a separate texture
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08:37<muep_>which can be efficiently handled with openg
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08:38<artos>it seems to me that you know what you're saying, so I won't argue :)
08:38<muep_>I don't, really, but it's what I think
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08:39<artos>i've always thought that compiz use direct rendering and it's hard for me to think other way
08:39<muep_>I have some vague bits of knowledge as I read a lot of things
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08:40<muep_>compiz uses direct rendering, but most applications don't use
08:40<muep_>even if you do use compiz
08:41<artos>but.. you're telling me that every single application redraw itself?
08:42<muep_>I'm not sure about who I should say does the drawing
08:42<artos>isn't it so apps send some informations about themselves to metacity (or compiz, etc), and it redraws them?
08:42<muep_>windows managers just manage windows
08:42<muep_>applications draw inside the windows
08:43<artos>huh.. strange:)
08:43<artos>i mean.. logical
08:43<muep_>with GTK apps, GTK does most of the drawing
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08:43<artos>i mean that's strange that some page
08:43<muep_>though GTK uses Cairo for most things
08:44<artos>without compiz, works in my iceweasel very slow
08:44<artos>with compiz, very good ;)
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08:44<muep_>iceweasel suffers from a poor performance with redrawing
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08:44<muep_>compiz reduces the need to redraw
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08:45<artos>so.. i'll check it with konqueror, w8
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08:45<muep_>because from iceweasel's point of view, with compiz there is never anything being drawn over it
08:45<muep_>so it doesn't need to redraw
08:47<artos>interesting thing.. now it's okay even without compiz, in iceweasel, in konqueror.. ok nevermind ;)
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08:48<artos>i'll wait with this compiz a little more.. maybe later it will work well
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08:49<N1ghtCrawler>Is there any app to show cpu temperature in debain?
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08:53<noflash>N1ghtCrawler, there's lmsensors in debian...don't know about debain
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08:55<N1ghtCrawler>noflash: I have not got lmsensors to work properly, i have ha compaq motherboard you see. He does not find any sensors.
08:55<angst>how could i download the kernel-source (2.6.18-5k), i tried with apt-get but without success :s
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08:57<gsimmons>angst: Using Etch? You'd want the 'linux-source-2.6.18' package.
08:58<angst>i've already these source but my kernel module doesn't compile :s
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08:59<gsimmons>angst: Then define the problem you're experiencing. What you're doing, what you expected to happen, error messages, etc.
08:59<george>hi, is there some sort of wizywig editor either "for kde" or else independent of both gnome and kde (latter preferable)
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09:01<noflash>george, has a list of might try looking there for a wysiwyg
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09:02<george>would this list be comprehensive with descriptions?
09:02<george>if so, where can I find it?
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09:03<george>(I already know the package metadata does contain a description and a summary... so I know it's possible)
09:05<george>at one point, debian had sections like editors, devel, x etc... those still relevent?
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09:17<onepamopa>what was the package for build kernel ?
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09:17<onepamopa>make menuconfig didnt work
09:17<onepamopa>!dpkg build
09:17<onepamopa>hm, what was...
09:18<gsimmons>!make menuconfig
09:18<dpkg>If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
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09:19<onepamopa>btw, I have some problems with ICH5 sound .
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09:20<onepamopa>anyone who have that chipset ?
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09:37<IRCMonkey>Hi, psnup -2, gives me a result with a very low resolution..
09:38<onepamopa>checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
09:38<onepamopa>why configure didnt find my xincludes?
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09:39<onepamopa>hm, I'll download kdebase-dev .
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09:45<onepamopa>/bin/sh: aclocal-1.6: command not found
09:45<onepamopa>make: *** [aclocal.m4] Error 127
09:45<onepamopa>hm, what's that ??
09:46<Gathond>a part of automake version 1.6
09:46<onepamopa>so, I dont have it ?
09:46<onepamopa>what should I do ?
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09:47<Gathond>install it
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09:47<onepamopa>I just installed automake
09:47<onepamopa>still the same error
09:48<Gathond>well automake has this wonderful thing with no backwards compatibility, and iirc automake 1.10 is default now, try installing automake-1.6 not just automake
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09:48<onepamopa>no sush package
09:49<onepamopa>output is on bulgarian...
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09:49<Gathond>ahh no -
09:50<onepamopa>maybe I have some mirror problems
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09:51<Gathond>they seem to have removed that package actually, or rather its virtual
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09:52<onepamopa>Gathond, so where do I find that pkg ?
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09:53<onepamopa>I'm using now ...
09:53<Gathond>I'm not sure its included any more, I can only find 1.6 in old stable on
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09:54<Gathond>not sure why 1.6 is singled out though, all the other versions is there
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09:55<onepamopa>XGate:/etc/apt# apt-cache search aclocal
09:55<onepamopa>no output .
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09:56<stulle>hi, i'm searching for a learning software. I'd like to write digital "memory cards" (question one side, answer the other).
09:56<stulle>i really don't know how to search effectively for such a software
09:56<onepamopa>stulle, you need kernel support for sd/mmc cards first
09:57<stulle>you didn't get my question right ;)
09:57<onepamopa>you want to write to digital memory cards
09:57<onepamopa>e.g. mmc/sd
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09:58<stulle>no, i don't want to emulate a memory card, i'm searching for a learning software ;)
09:58<onepamopa>learning software for what ?
09:58<Eulex>stulle, 'emulate'?
09:58<stulle>f.e. vocabulary card
09:58<onepamopa>what's that ?
09:59<stulle>question: barking animal answer: dog
09:59<stulle>sth. like that
09:59<sinterklaas>granule - flashcard program for learning new words
09:59<sinterklaas>kvoctrain - vocabulary trainer for KDE
09:59<sinterklaas>parley - vocabulary trainer for KDE4
09:59<Eulex>yes, but what's special about a 'vocabulary' card? does it have a normal file system?
09:59<sinterklaas>like those?
09:59<onepamopa>so.... what kind of learning software is that ..
09:59<stulle>ye, thx sinterklaas, i was searching for this
09:59<sinterklaas>stulle: "apt-cache search edu learn words" produced that output, btw
10:00<onepamopa>sinterklaas, ... I have qeuestion too
10:00<stulle>ye, but as i said, i wasn't quite sure how to search for such software
10:00<stulle>i'm german ;)
10:00<sinterklaas>onepamopa: don't we all?
10:00<onepamopa>/bin/sh: aclocal-1.6: command not found
10:00<onepamopa>make: *** [aclocal.m4] Error 127
10:00<sinterklaas>stulle: synaptic might also be of help to search
10:00<sinterklaas>onepamopa: so, install it
10:00<onepamopa>so. I did
10:00<onepamopa>still the sme
10:00<sinterklaas>onepamopa: but what are you compiling, and why?
10:01<stulle>thx again ;)
10:01<onepamopa>disk monitoring tool
10:01<sinterklaas>isn't it in Debian already?
10:01<onepamopa>it isnt
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10:02<sinterklaas>anyway, aclocal 1.6 is very old
10:02<onepamopa>well... I have just installed aclocal
10:02<sinterklaas>it's not in sid anymore
10:02<sinterklaas>we only have 1.8 and 1.10
10:02<onepamopa>let me seee...
10:02<sinterklaas>so, fix the auto* scripts
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10:03<onepamopa>apt-get cannot find aclocal* package
10:03<onepamopa>my mistake
10:03<sinterklaas>it's in automake
10:03<onepamopa>no sush package..
10:03<onepamopa>apt-get is already new version ..
10:03<onepamopa>automake is ..
10:04<sinterklaas>yes I told you, debian does not have aclocal-1.6
10:04<sinterklaas>you need to fix the build scripts
10:04<onepamopa>hm... I knew it ..
10:04<onepamopa>well, 10x
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10:16<potato>Are there any advantages to getting a program from the Unstable repository versus compilng it from the latest source release? As far as I understand, Unstable makes no guarantees whatsoever.
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10:17<koollman>potato: it's packaged. easier to remove, helps with dependencies and everything
10:18<potato>koollman: I saw guides on the net detailing how to make .deb packages from sources
10:18<potato>koollman: with dependencies and everything
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11:10<nazmin>anybody know Evolution replacement for KDE. I need to connect with MS Exchange Server
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11:18<solanaceo>Hhello folks. Does anyone know if there something in debian to swith open-gl libraries?? (Like gentoo's eselect or opengl-update)
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11:18<user4>ктонить ext4dev пользуется?
11:18<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:19<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:21<user4>who used ext4dev?
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11:28<papakia>i have a desktop with 32bit amd thunderbird, which version of debian should i download and install(i386?). And if I've installed an old version of the kernel how could i download the new version with apt-get (apt-get install kernel ?).thanx
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11:33<kesha123>hi, can anyone tellme wich ports i have to open on firewall gateway for use msn messenger webcam?
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11:35<JasonS>didint have to do any here kesha123
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11:46[~]Solver was going to suggest he look at what was being blocked at the FW
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11:46<Solver>oh well - ppl leave too soon after asking a question
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11:47<papakia>patience is rare in our times:>
11:47<Solver>exactly :)
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11:53<papakia>well i hope my above question wasnt that noobish to expect an answer :$
11:54<lamby>papakia: You should download i386 version of Debian.
11:54<Solver>I didnt' actually see the Q. I'll page back
11:54<papakia>thanx lamby :)
11:55<slayer84>I cant print from lenny to gutsy. All the conf files seem fine, and i can see the printer and send a job. But it gets stopped
11:55<Solver>and for the kernel do a search (aptitude search for example) and you will see many kernel versions
11:55<papakia>hm, ok, i'm already playing with aptitude right now, i'll try more :>
11:56<Solver>I prefer it to apt-get. aptitude is a one stop shop :)
11:56<slayer84>Any idea why? Could it be some permission problems or?
11:56<Solver>np :)
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11:56<Eulex>slayer84, checked your logs?
11:56<Solver>Oh I was about to say that :)
11:56<Solver>seriously cups logs are very good
11:58<slayer84>yup. And i find nothing
11:58<slayer84>going to pastebin it. 2 sec
11:58<Eulex>is the cups server listening to more than localhost?
12:00<slayer84>Yes to the ip of the lenny install
12:01<slayer84>Heres the error log
12:01<slayer84>I just dont get it. Usually there is no problems
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12:02<slayer84>When i view the job in the cups admin on gutsy i see that is is stopped. But the logs show nothing
12:03<Solver>and you can print ok from the print server itself?
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12:03<Solver>running debug logs
12:03<Solver>it should give many details of each print job
12:03[~]Solver looks at astebin
12:04<slayer84>But as a sidenot i wanna say that debian seems more stable than Ubuntu. I really like it
12:05[~]Solver is short of time unfortunately. If you are comfortable with wireshark you may want to look at what it is saying
12:05[~]Solver agrees - Debian is rock solid
12:06<slayer84>hmm. thats waay above me:-)
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12:07<Solver>it isn't as hard as it first seems as long as you're familiar with networking
12:08<Solver>I expected to see more details in the debug log
12:08<Solver>gotta go :(
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12:10<slayer84>Anyone else got a clue?
12:10<slayer84>Anything really. Ive googled and configured all day
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12:14<slayer84>The only thing i can see is: cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.
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12:18<slayer84>And: Job stopped due to filter errors.
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12:24<crosmuller>is there anyone here that has some openvpn knowledge
12:24<crosmuller>or can refer me to another channel perhaps
12:26<Xenguy>crosmuller: openvpn sounds very interesting, but I myself have not played with it yet
12:27<crosmuller>i cant find a specific openvpn channel
12:27<crosmuller>but it is interesting
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12:28<Xenguy>crosmuller: have you checked on ?
12:28<crosmuller>I searched the list
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12:29<crosmuller>wait I think I found it
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12:36<neantror>hello.. not really a debian question, but i was wondering how do set the default dictionnary for aspell ?
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12:40<sybariten>i just wanted to hear if there are any live-cd-versions of debian that are "pure debian", so to speak... and "supported"
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12:43<gamog>hi. I have a problem. I am running Debian Etch 4.0 r0 on HP Compaq Presario. When I enter the headphones in the jack, the sound still comes from speakers. how can I fix it?
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12:50<bogman247>hi all !
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12:51<Eulex>gamog, you mean that the sounds recorded is played back through the speakers?
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12:52<gamog>Eulex: yes, even if I insert my headphones into the headphone jack. it works fine with windows though. so I assume it must be some driver problem.
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12:52<bogman247>just a quick question... im looking for a debian cd/dvd download including KDE, and if possible, a few things like skype etc. where can I get something like that?
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12:53<Eulex>gamog, oh, sorry, misread your question. you could check whether there are separate volume levels for the internal speakers and the headphone jack
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12:54<gamog>Eulex: alsa mixer doesn't show separate volumes. only Master and PCM.
12:55<bogman247>"[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch]" ? those are on the website but those dont really understand what they are :s
12:56<lupine>if unsure, you probably want i386
12:56<Eulex>bogman247, debian doesn't include skype. very possible to install, though.
12:57<lupine>grab the Etch KDE CD1 and install from that, and you're away
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12:57<bogman247>okay thanks guys
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13:00<gamog>i did some changes to /etc/modprobe.d/sound, now how to restart sound?
13:01<gamog>so that my changes are into effect?
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13:02<nubbun>if I have a .deb file on my local disk, not part of a repository, how do I install it?
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13:03<Eulex>dpkg -i
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13:04<nubbun>thanks Eulex. That seems to have worked.
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13:05<hastafary>alguem na sala?
13:06<hastafary>I need help
13:06<papakia>if i'm on the sarge machine how can i upgrade to etch ?:X (format +bootinstall?)
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13:08<hastafary>who can help me?
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13:09<hastafary>I need help
13:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:09<hastafary>I use the Kurumin 7 linux
13:10<noflash>!tell papakia -about sarge->etch
13:10<noflash>hastafary, try #kurumin
13:11<papakia>ty noflash
13:11<hastafary>but ever that I am in Internet the konqueror (folders) dont open, 3 minutes for open
13:12<hastafary>who can help me?
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13:15<ptr>hastafary: I'm not sure what you're asking.
13:16<hastafary>who speak in portuguese?
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13:17<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
13:18<Eulex>hastafary, we only support debian in here
13:18<hastafary>thank you
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13:25<drgeb>when I boot my machine quite a few boot messages are send to screen these are not captured in dmesg how can I configure it too output everything into a file also ?
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13:26<cahoot>enable bootlogd in /etc/default
13:26<`Butthead>I was wondering if it is all possible to view pictures over ssh, without have X installed on the server system? Say something like ssh into the server and using zgv or something?
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13:28<`Butthead>cahoot: okay Ill look for that.
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13:32<d00d__>where can i find these files at KDE 3.x/Qt 3.x headers.
13:32<d00d__>i tired apt no luck
13:32<nisse>What's the name of the standard template library in Debian?
13:33<`Butthead>cahoot: no this isnt what I was looking for, I need something that I could ssh into the system from a non-linux system and view a pic useing the command line. Im using putty to ssh over to the system.
13:33<nisse>Can't get map to work even after #include<map>..
13:33<cahoot>from win?
13:34<`Butthead>cahoot: windows XP, mac OSx, and I think even OS2
13:34<Eulex>nisse, std::?
13:34<`Butthead>cahoot: but windows and mac will be fine for now. Ive been googleing every where trying to find something.
13:35<`Butthead>cahoot: everything I can find is line tunneling X over ssh, but you need to have X somewhat installed. Or so I am thinking.
13:35<cahoot>`Butthead: good luck - out of my league
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13:35<nisse>Eulex: ops.. thanks =)
13:35<`Butthead>cahoot: ;) thanks anyway
13:35<Tuplad>hey guys, can I search IN files ?
13:36<Eulex>nisse, yw :)
13:36<Tuplad>like, I've got 100 html files and I want to find a word in them
13:36<Eulex>yes, grep
13:36<Tuplad>let me try
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13:36<lupine>grep -rn "word" directory/
13:36<`Butthead>Tuplad: cat <filename> | grep <what ou want to find>
13:36<Tuplad>oh wow, lol, nice :o
13:37<cahoot>`Butthead: cat us redundant
13:37<lupine>grep is the best tool. Hands down.
13:37<Tuplad>haha yeah
13:37<Tuplad>I use it in ps aux | grep <something> :p
13:37<Tuplad>but didnt know the actual function of it :i
13:37<lupine>do grep -rn "lol" /
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13:38<BoBo>how close all port from extern and from locall to work ?
13:39<lupine>actually, do grep -rn "lol" / |wc -l
13:39<Tuplad>why ?
13:40<Tuplad>but is grep, like, fast ?
13:40<Tuplad>96 html files, 2,3mb
13:40<Tuplad>and it's still searching
13:40<lupine>It will count the number of instances of the word "lol" on your Linux installation
13:40<lupine>thus determining how LOLworthy you are
13:40<cahoot>grep -i then
13:40<lupine>nah, because LOL isn't as fun as lol
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13:41<papakia>is 'HAHA' funnier than 'lol' ?
13:41<cahoot>haha is onomatopoetic
13:41<Tuplad>yay works :p
13:42<Tuplad>can I put the results in a file ?
13:42<Tuplad>because it's ugly :x
13:42<lupine>Tuplad: sure. Just redirect to a file: grep ... > myfilename
13:42<Tuplad>oh, like in windows
13:42<lupine>only better
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13:43<BoBo>lupine what firewall have ?
13:43<lupine>I don't
13:44<lupine>but if you want a firewall, you should use iptables
13:44<lupine>possibly with firestarter for a GUI frontend
13:44<BoBo>i have probleme with extern
13:44<BoBo>syn attack
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13:44<lupine>your ISP should be able to blackhole that
13:44<lupine>assuming you have a decent ISP
13:45<BoBo>a good firewall not resolv this probleme ?
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13:46<lupine>there's a variety of approaches that you /could/ take, but you can only take action after the SYN packets have reached you - which is not ideal
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13:46<JasonS>BoBo: how do you know your under attack?
13:46<lupine>blocking all SYN packets leaves you inaccessible to the outside world, for instance
13:46<lupine>rate-limiting them does all sorts of weird stuff
13:47<BoBo>lupine but what ?
13:47[~]JasonS getting the feeling BoBo has him on ignore
13:47<JasonS>no matter
13:48<Tuplad>thanks dudes :) I'm out
13:48<Tuplad>grep ftw!
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13:48<papakia>JasonS , its called selective view/sight :}
13:48<JasonS>papakia: indeed
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13:55<george>the tack is over you?
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14:09<jamux> Need help turning off mouse cursor animation in X when CTRL pressed
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14:44<tebo>can I setting bridgtness and contrast of monitor by software?
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14:47<cahoot>and or xbacklight
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15:00<szab>how can I open deb packages
15:00<szab>in ubuntu ?>
15:00<azeem>szab: don't install debian packages on ubuntu
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15:01<szab>but i have deb packages on the installation cd
15:01<azeem>also, for ubuntu support, please ask in #ubuntu on
15:01<azeem>then it's a ubuntu package
15:01<szab>any idea?
15:01<szab>the archive manager doesn't open it
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15:15<giant>hello to everyone
15:16<giant>I have 2 ethernet adapters in my computer. Everytime I restart my second atapter get incremented ie... eth2/eth3/eth4
15:17<giant>does anyone know what could be causeing this problem? I'm trying to find an answer on google, but I'm not sure what to search for
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15:20<dpkg>[z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
15:21<the-me>giant, add for example to /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules an entry like: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="your mac address", NAME="eth1"
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15:27<giant>I looked into the z25_persistent-net.rules file, and I notice all 6 interfaces. Yet I only have 3. Not to mention the MAC is different on all of them. :/ were did the extra mac addresses come from??
15:28<Eulex>giant, nvidia chipset?
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15:30<Eulex>heard about some such issue with them, don't remember the fix
15:30<giant>thats ok.. I'll google for it... thanks for pointing me in the right direction
15:31<boogyman_>hello everyone.. just got Etch installed on an intel dg965 based motherboard. There didn't seem to be a lot of info on google, so i created a small how-to. where would be the best place to post this to get fellow debian users started if they have this board?
15:31<cahoot>remove the ones you don't want
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15:34<MikkLinux>what is the easiest way to install ATI radeon drivers for my ATI Radeon 9550 using aptitude... which packages should I install if I am on debian etch for this?
15:35<Eulex>!ati oneliner
15:35<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
15:35<Eulex>!fglrx oneliner
15:35<dpkg>i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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15:37<MikkLinux>!non -free sources
15:37<MikkLinux>!non-free sources
15:37<dpkg>from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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15:43<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
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15:44<dpkg>radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI display driver for the r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in <experimental>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <fglrx>.
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15:44<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
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15:48<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
15:48<ServerSide>!nvidia one-liner
15:48<dpkg>i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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15:58<panagos>does aptitude comply to policy configurations in /etc/apt/apt.conf, etc APT::Default-Release ?
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16:00<panagos>so that if i have both testing and unstable in my sources.list but have APT::Default-Release "testing"; in apt.conf, it will by default install packages *only* from testing, as apt-get does?
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16:01<Eulex>panagos, I believe so
16:01<potato>In Lenny, how do I make two users share a home directory?
16:01<Eulex>give them the same home directory?
16:01<dpkg>i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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16:01<potato>adduser doesn't prompt for a home directory
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16:02<IamReck>whats the channel for compiz help?
16:02<Eulex>potato, man adduser
16:02<potato>Eulex, erm hehe OK
16:02[~]potato whistles
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16:18<Golfgeo>Hi all
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16:20<Golfgeo>Got a question: Am prepairing a system for a w2k/linux install and am using cfdisk from knoppix to prepair the harddrive, but to what should I set CHS values of the disk for w2k?
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16:20<BoBo>a expert in iptables here ?
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16:20<Eulex>Golfgeo, NTFS/HFS
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16:21<sinterklaas>Golfgeo: CHS stuff is obsolete afaik
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16:21<sinterklaas>don't tocuh it
16:21<JasonS>BoBo: #iptables has many
16:22[~]JasonS still curious though why BoBo thinks he's under attack
16:22<Golfgeo>I have to...
16:22<Golfgeo>I believe head was 255, but cylinders and tracks?
16:22<BoBo>is 0 people
16:22<sinterklaas>Golfgeo: why do you have to?
16:23<sinterklaas>you don't have to give the CHS values to pratition a harddrive
16:23<Golfgeo>w2k doesn't recocnise the values given to the drive by cfdisk (from knoppix)
16:23<JasonS>BoBo: try on freenode then and why do you think you're under attack
16:23<Golfgeo>It's the mapping of sectors stuff
16:23<sinterklaas>so you really have a quaetion about windows
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16:23<sinterklaas>I'm afraid I can't help you with that
16:23<Golfgeo>yea and no
16:24<sinterklaas>this is a support channel for debian
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16:24<Golfgeo>I am doing a dual setup and that could be covert...
16:24<sinterklaas>well, it's borderline ontopic
16:24<sinterklaas>but I just don't know
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16:25<sinterklaas>in any case, CHS values are fake nowadays anyway
16:25<Golfgeo>I know, but not for Winhose...
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16:25<BoBo>JasonS i have a radio station
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16:25<sinterklaas>the disk logic converts the fake value to real hardware positions
16:25<sinterklaas>Golfgeo: also for windows
16:25<sinterklaas>Golfgeo: it's a hardware issue
16:26<JasonS>BoBo: yes so?
16:26<Golfgeo>Oke, if someone does know, here I am, else thanks for the help
16:26<BoBo>and more hacker flood me
16:26<JasonS>BoBo: how do you know though? what did you see?
16:27<sinterklaas>BoBo: there's not much you can do against real ddos attacks
16:27<BoBo>JasonS my extern
16:27<JasonS>doesnt mean an attack
16:27<Golfgeo>I think I found it: Heads 255, sectors per track 63 :-)
16:27<BoBo>JasonS yes is attack is udp attack
16:28<BoBo>ddos attack
16:28<sinterklaas>BoBo: there's nothing you can do then
16:28<sinterklaas>BoBo: certainly not with iptables
16:28<JasonS>BoBo: how do you know? maybe you just have a popular station? and if its ddos why are you still here and a localfirewall wont help
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16:29<BoBo>JasonS i have a pupular station
16:29<BoBo>400 or more people :))
16:29<JasonS>so it may not be an attack just high usage, and sinterklaas is right a local firewall wont stop a ddos attack
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16:30<BoBo>local firewall stop a ddos attack ?
16:30<sinterklaas>BoBo: NO
16:30<JasonS>you need to talk to your isp, assuming it really is an attack to begin with
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16:30<sinterklaas>BoBo: only your ISP might be able to nullroute the traffic, if you're lucky
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16:30<BoBo>but my isp say
16:31<BoBo>put a good firewall ......
16:31<godplay>basicly ddos attack is an attack consuming your entire bandwidth therefor anything local won't help, cisco has some routers that can deal with it.; but i'm guessing you don't have it :-)
16:31<JasonS>then you have a crappy isp BoBo , stop talking to tier 1 techs
16:31<JasonS>assuming of course your not breaking your tos by having a radio station
16:32<sinterklaas>and assuming you're really under ddos
16:32<sinterklaas>the mere fact that you're able to connect to irc suggests otherwise
16:32<JasonS>i suspect theyre not
16:32<JasonS>BoBo: if it really was ddos trust me, you wouldn't be here
16:32<godplay>maybe captering packets and see from how many different pcs its comming?
16:32<BoBo>not now
16:33<BoBo>when hacker flood me my internet is down ..
16:33<sinterklaas>well, talk to your isp then
16:33<sinterklaas>there's nothing you can do about that locally
16:33<sinterklaas>they need to deal with the traffic _before_ it goes over the line to your computer
16:33<JasonS>high radio station usage is still my first thought but talk to your isp and ask to talk to tier 2 at the minimum not the guys answeing the phone
16:34<JasonS>and assuming of course you're allowed to run that station
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16:35<BoBo>a good ide is to change my isp :)))
16:35<JasonS>BoBo: not at all
16:35<BoBo>or to buy a dedicat server to good protection for ddos attack
16:36<sinterklaas>BoBo: what makes you think they won't be able to ddos a dedicated server?
16:36<godplay>it is less likely
16:37<sinterklaas>it mainly depends on his connectivity
16:37<sinterklaas>if he's able to handle 400 users on his radio station, he must have pretty good connectivity already
16:37<sinterklaas>so a dedicated server isn't goign to fix anything
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16:38<BoBo>you have probleme with flood ?
16:38<sinterklaas>huh what?
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16:38[~]JasonS suspects high usage rather then ddos but hey what the hell do i know
16:39<sinterklaas>JasonS: indeed
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16:39<BoBo>when someone flood you you think your internet won`t be down ?
16:39<sinterklaas>JasonS: 400x128kbit is already 50Mbit
16:39<sinterklaas>BoBo: you're making no sense
16:40<JasonS>sinterklaas: what do you think high usage or just oops something happened at the ISPs end and they lost the connection for a while
16:40<sinterklaas>JasonS: seesm much more likely indeed
16:40<sinterklaas>zombie operators are usually not interested in small radiostations
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16:41<BoBo>you have a good net ....
16:41<BoBo>your internet is strong :D
16:41<sinterklaas>BoBo: what kind of connection are you on?
16:42<JasonS>sinterklaas: indeed, where's the bragging rights in knocking a home station off the net as compared to say cnn for example
16:42<JasonS>and no im not suggesting anyone do that either
16:42<Mr_Giraffe>how do i restart inetd?
16:42<sinterklaas>Mr_Giraffe: killall -HUP inetd
16:42<sinterklaas>Mr_Giraffe: or /etc/init.d/inetd restart
16:42<godplay>./etc/init.d/inetd restart
16:42<sinterklaas>or openbsd-inetd, not sure what's it called nowadays
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16:43<Mr_Giraffe>ah, there we go, that's what it was
16:43<BoBo>dsl sinterklaas
16:43<Mr_Giraffe>i couldn't use /etc/init.d/inetd, it's openbsd-inetd
16:43<godplay>btw anyone else having issue with mplayer on lenny when forwarding?
16:43<Mr_Giraffe>thanks sinterklaas
16:44<godplay>dsl and 400 users, that's asking for problems
16:44<JasonS>BoBo: only dsl? in that case i say no ddos but too much usage
16:44<sinterklaas>BoBo: 400 users will require 50Mbit upstream
16:44<sinterklaas>BoBo: typically DSL supports 2Mbit uupstream maximum
16:44<BoBo>wait a moment
16:45<BoBo>Your current bandwidth reading is:
16:45<BoBo>87.15 Mbps
16:45<BoBo>which means you can download at 10.89 MB/sec. from our servers.
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16:45<BoBo>i have a good internet
16:45<sinterklaas>BoBo: DOWNload yes
16:45<Eulex>BoBo, upstream != downstream
16:45<sinterklaas>I was talking about upstream traffic
16:45<sinterklaas>and even 87Mbps is rather high for DSL
16:45<sinterklaas>highest I've seen is 24Mbps or so
16:46<lupine>upload on DSL is pretty low
16:46<sinterklaas>lupine: 2Mbit max, iirc
16:46<godplay>dsl at 80mbps doesn't exist i think
16:46<lupine>the best I've ever seen is 3.5mbit/sec
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16:46<lupine>godplay: VDSL, maybe
16:46<BoBo>i don`t know
16:46<sinterklaas>lupine: if you're _very_ close to the entry node perhaps
16:46<godplay>nah VDSL is around 55 i think
16:46<lupine>3.5mbit/sec is ADSL2+ with annex M
16:46<sinterklaas>lupine: ah right
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16:47<sinterklaas>BoBo: anyway, there's NO WAY you could handle 400 users on a DSL line
16:47<lupine>either way, DSL simply doesn't cut it for any serious serving
16:47<sinterklaas>BoBo: maybe 16 or 32, if you're very lucky
16:47<godplay>i have issues with 8 people on ventrilo on my adsl line
16:47<BoBo>i have best provider in my country
16:47<sinterklaas>BoBo: listen
16:47<lupine>that's great
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16:47<sinterklaas>BoBo: DSL is technically limited to a small bandwidth
16:47<sinterklaas>BoBo: there' nothing your isp can do about that
16:48<lupine>open your wallet and buy a real server somewhere with 100mbit/sec full-duplex symmetrical internet access
16:48<sinterklaas>lupine: that's going to be pretty expensive
16:48<lupine>not really
16:48<sinterklaas>50Mbit sustained?
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16:49<lupine>with those bandwidth usages... maybe :D
16:49<lupine> it is
16:49<Eulex>his current internet access is prolly not cheap either
16:49<sinterklaas>that's like 120TB/month
16:49<lupine>yeah. Pretty stupid
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16:50<BoBo>lupine you have a shell company
16:50<sinterklaas>it's about time people started supporting multicast properly ;)
16:51<JasonS>BoBo: a simple google search will give you a massive listing of shell companies
16:51<sinterklaas>BoBo: but it's going to _very_ expensive
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16:51<sinterklaas>a typical hosting contract gives you something like 100 or 200GB per month
16:52<lupine>well, it depends
16:52<sinterklaas>for 400 users, you would need 1000x times as much
16:52<lupine>grab one that charges per mbit, on 95th percentile
16:52<sinterklaas>lupine: yeah
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16:52<sinterklaas>BoBo: do you really have 400 active users?
16:52<sinterklaas>listening at the same time?
16:52<lupine>simultaneous active users#
16:53<BoBo->no any time
16:54<BoBo->now i have 100
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18:24<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
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18:24<dpkg>rumour has it, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI display driver for the r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in <unstable>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <fglrx>.
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18:33<RoboShim>Hi all. Can I talk with anyone about one bug in libnss-ldap + udev? In I found bugs 375215 and 375077, but I'm not sure if they are already closed and fixed or not fixed.
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18:39<acidburn>anyone here?
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18:40<dondelelcaro>RoboShim: what in particular about them?
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18:44<Christmas>in what package is the 'convert' tool available?
18:44<dondelelcaro>Christmas: image-magick.
18:44<dondelelcaro>!tell Christmas -about search
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18:45<Christmas>i have debian lenny here, image-magick is not in the repos
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18:46<RoboShim>dondelelcaro: last week (this week) I had a problem starting netbook + NFS debian etch. It writes error "Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected" while starting udev ... now I found the bugs 375215 and 375077 in
18:46<RoboShim>, which looks similar.
18:46<Christmas>i have main, contrib and non-free activated
18:46<dondelelcaro>Christmas: it's imagemagick rather. Read what dpkg said.
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18:47<Christmas>ok thanks i found it
18:47<Christmas>i know about search but apt-cache search convert|grep convert was giving lots of results
18:47<dondelelcaro>Christmas: read the entire factoid; apt-cache is only part of it. You want the bits about and apt-file.
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18:48<RoboShim>dondelelcaro: so I have searched and found, that /etc/init.d/udev creates a few basic devices. These basic devices are configured in /etc/udev/links.cfg but there is neither random nor urandom. So I have created both "M random c 1 8" and "M urandom c 1 9" and now starts netboot + NFS debian etch without any error. And I'm not sure if anyone has already solved this problem. Both bugs seem to be closed.
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18:48<Christmas>didn't know about apt-file
18:49<dondelelcaro>!now you know
18:49<dpkg>And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE!
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18:49<RoboShim>dondelelcaro: these bugs are already archived so now change allowed ...
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18:50<RoboShim>dondelelcaro: but it's very strange, that this error came this week ...
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19:30<Abu-Aadam>Hi, I'm wondering if theres some kind of bitmap program to modify bitmap formats
19:31<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: gimp
19:31<Abu-Aadam>dondelelcaro: it's not on unstable that was my problem. Would I have to use adobe photoshop through wine in that case
19:31<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: eh? gimp is available in unstable?
19:32<Abu-Aadam>dondelelcaro: seems to be
19:32<dondelelcaro>!+info gimp
19:32<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
19:32<dpkg>gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3829 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB
19:32<Abu-Aadam>!why isn't gimp in unstable
19:33<Abu-Aadam>!why isn't gimp on unstable
19:33<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: uh... it's available in unstable. If you're not seeing it, you either haven't updated recently, or you're not actually running Debian.
19:33<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: what does apt-cache policy; say?
19:33<Abu-Aadam>dondelelcaro: no it's not available in apt-cache
19:33<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: that's not what I asked.
19:34<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: run 'apt-cache policy;' and provide the output using a paste site.
19:34<Abu-Aadam>sorry sir
19:34<Abu-Aadam>heres that output
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19:37<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: you're running testing, actually, and for whatever reason you're missing a main entry in your sources.list
19:38<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: if you don't know how to fix that, provide your sources.list in the same way
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19:40<Cyorxamp>Hey this is going to sound strange, but I'm after an -old- copy of debian, something circa 1995, what would that be?
19:41<dpkg>[hamm] Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998
19:41<dpkg>somebody said rex was the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996
19:41<dpkg>[bo] Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia
19:41<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: I have a kernel 1.2 on an ol boot install
19:41<dondelelcaro>!release history
19:41<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <>.
19:41<Cyorxamp>I saw them on the site, but no dates on them
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19:41<dondelelcaro>Abu-Aadam: run apt-get update; again, then check what apt-cache policy; says once more.
19:41<Cyorxamp>what happens when you run out of toy story characters?
19:41<Cyorxamp>Toy Story 2?
19:41<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: the RMs decide to use something else
19:42<dondelelcaro>(though we still have a reasonable number of them left)
19:42<Cyorxamp>ok well Buzz looks like the ticket
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19:42<Cyorxamp>don't suppose anyone knows where I can still get Buzz?
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19:43<Abu-Aadam>dondelelcaro: It is working now. Perhaps it wasn't working because I last did it from synaptic pkg mngr
19:43<Xenguy>Cyorxamp: I can't imagine that something that old would be secure to run though :-/
19:43<Cyorxamp>hmm its all source - was hoping for an image to install
19:43<dondelelcaro>well, the images are pretty much useless.
19:44<Xenguy>Abu-Aadam: there's a button 'Reload' that I think is equivalent to 'apt-get update'
19:44<Cyorxamp>dondelelcaro: ?
19:44<Abu-Aadam>Xenguy: yes I ran that. Maybe I had forgotten to at one stage though.
19:44<Xenguy>Abu-Aadam: nod
19:44<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: they've got security holes and they probably won't even boot.
19:44<Cyorxamp>dondelelcaro: It's for a _very_ retro PC
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19:45<Cyorxamp>it'll dual boot DOS+Win311 and on the other side Debian Buzz
19:45<Cyorxamp>i.e. it'll be on the hardware its meant for
19:45<valdyn>Cyorxamp: why dont you use a modern distro for small systems?
19:45<Xenguy>Cyorxamp: will it be connected to the Net though?
19:45<dondelelcaro>well, you may be able to find another mirror of the archives, but I don't know of it
19:46<Cyorxamp>its not supposed to be a small system - just a retro system :D
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19:49<schmichael>i need wifi for my desktop, any advice on what works well with debian unstable?
19:49<schmichael>i'd prefer a usb wifi adapter for ease of installation, but if there's some advantage to a PCI adapter, i'm not too picky ;)
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19:50<dli>schmichael, zd1211 (usb) works perfectly
19:51<schmichael>dli: thanks for the tip! is zd1211 something i can search for on a retailers site like tigerdirect?
19:51<dli>schmichael, zd1211 is the chipset
19:51<dli>schmichael, for more,
19:52<schmichael>dli: thanks for the link! none of my searching came across that page! it looks quite helpful
19:53<dli>schmichael, you can get a list of zd1211 cards (usb), from
19:53<dli>schmichael, I suggest zd1211 only because I have one works for me smoothly, and cheap
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19:54<schmichael>dli: great! this is exactly the sort of info i was hoping to find!
19:54<schmichael>now if only there was the 1-linux-hardware-compatibility-site to rule them all ;)
19:55<jesperj>Can I make it so a script gets executed every X hours? Is that what cronjobs are for and how do I make one of my scripts get called every X hours from the system?
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19:56<schmichael>jesperj: yes that what cron is for. type: "crontab -e" at the command line to edit your cronjobs
19:57<Xenguy>jesperj: yes, a cronjob is what you can use
19:57<schmichael>jesperj: if you use gnome, gnome-schedule is a passable GUI
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19:57<jesperj>thank you guys
19:58<Cyorxamp>Does anyone have a copy of Debian Buzz 1.1 ?
19:58<Cyorxamp>my search isn't going well :(
19:58<Cyorxamp>shouldn't someone have this for historical sake?
19:59<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: do you have an old box u want to put it on
19:59<Xenguy>Cyorxamp: I would have thought that releases would be archived somewhere, but I don't know where myself
19:59<Cyorxamp>Abu-Aadam: yes, it's to work 'as the period'
19:59<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: I had a net install cd from an old version
20:00<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: it had linux kernel 1.2
20:00<schmichael>dli: is zd1211b close enough to zd1211? or should i play it safe?
20:00<Cyorxamp>all the mirrors used when it was released surprise surprise either don't exist no more or don't have it now
20:00<Cyorxamp>1.1 came with the linux 2.0 kernel
20:00<dli>schmichael, make sure it's bg
20:00<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: by 1.2 I mean 2.2
20:01<Cyorxamp>does "Software in the Public Interest" still exist?
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20:01<Xenguy>Cyorxamp: I'm pretty sure it does
20:01<Cyorxamp>wow - but originally FSF backed
20:02<ptr>anyone here have any experience with mrtg?
20:02<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: do you mean Open Domain
20:02<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: no copyright at all?
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20:02<Cyorxamp>err, no - whassat? eh!?
20:02<Cyorxamp>no its a non-profit group
20:03<Abu-Aadam>Cyorxamp: Open Domain is basically software with no copy right. Different than Gnu whih has the Gnu copyright. If you copy and modify it you need to include the same licence again
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20:03<ptr>it's a system for creating graphs from snmp data
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20:04<Cyorxamp>OK folks, I agree with what Xenguy said - Debian Buzz 1.1 (ISO if possible) must be archived somewhere for historical sake - does _anyone_ know who I'm best contacting and how?
20:04<mikegrb>Cyorxamp: spi is still around and is the legal parent of debian as well as oftc (this irc network)
20:04<Abu-Aadam>The People's Operating System
20:04<dpkg>from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: or even
20:04<Cyorxamp>No they arn't there abrotman
20:04<Cyorxamp>been there!
20:05<Cyorxamp>Yes thats right
20:05<abrotman>!archive is also
20:05<dpkg>abrotman: okay
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20:08<Cyorxamp>No one knows who to contact about this?
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20:09[~]dwu pokes abrotman
20:09<abrotman>how did i talk in here?
20:09<abrotman>Cyorxamp: about what?
20:10<ptr>anybody here used mrtg before?
20:10<dwu>abrotman: wha?
20:10[~]abrotman looks at ptr
20:10<Xenguy>abrotman: he wants a copy of Buzz (not source, but binaries I think)
20:10<Cyorxamp>well if there isn't a copy in the official archive - might there be elsewhere
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20:10<abrotman>i just told him
20:10<Cyorxamp>Yeah and you didn't read what i put back!
20:10<Cyorxamp>01:04AM <<Cyorxamp>> No they arn't there abrotman
20:10<Cyorxamp>01:04AM <<Cyorxamp>> been there!
20:10<Cyorxamp>01:05AM <<abrotman>>
20:10<Cyorxamp>01:05AM <<Cyorxamp>> Yes thats right
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20:10<abrotman>what do you want .. the source is there
20:11<Cyorxamp>I don't want source!
20:11<ptr>should I not have repeated myself?
20:11<petemc>i have slink install media
20:11<ptr>abrotman: zat mean you have?
20:11<abrotman>Cyorxamp: ask the debian-devel mailing list
20:12<abrotman>ptr: no .. i'm just watching you ask both channels
20:12<abrotman>HI DWU!
20:12<ptr>Should I not be?
20:12<abrotman>no ..
20:12<abrotman>erm. . yes .. that's fine
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20:13<ptr>frustratingly, when it encounters an error in a config file, it doesn't say anything---it just ignores it. So I have no idea what's wrong.
20:15<dwu>Hello, abrotman.
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20:37<Phantom>anybody know anything about using efax-gtk and faxing from open office ?
20:40<jae>Is there really no python-memcached package? I don't see one, but maybe I'm just blind...
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20:41<dli>!tell Phantom about anyone
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21:00<skyfalcon866>whats it mean recovering journal
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21:01<Trollinator>does Debian provide any way to configure the apache2 web server?
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21:01<Trollinator>without a text editor, that is.
21:01<skyfalcon866>hold on
21:01<Trollinator>dpkg-reconfigure apache2 doesn't do anything.
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21:02<skyfalcon866>join the freenode debian channel
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21:03<Phantom>dli: do those same commands work with ubuntu straight up not the kde interface ?
21:03<dli>Phantom, yes, if you understand those commands
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21:06<dli>Phantom, you can use the kde tools also, gnome is just the frontend, doesn't stop you from using applications
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21:06[~]qsheets has a friend running Debian sid, and he can'd seem to get ircd-hybrid to work correctly (noone can connect)
21:06<dli>!tell Phantom about ubuntu
21:08<Phantom>dli: I have it running both in vmware on a lappy and one dual boot on a desktop.
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21:10<qsheets>can someone help?
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21:14<Phantom>qsheets: what are you after I am a fellow newbee
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21:15<dondelelcaro>qsheets: is irc-hybrid running? what is the netstat -plunt; output?
21:15<qsheets>Phantom: getting ircd-hybrid to function
21:16<Phantom>qsheets: what kind of a program is that ?
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21:16<qsheets>Phantom: irc server/daemon
21:16<qsheets>dondelelcaro: it should be running
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21:17<qsheets>it isn't on my comp
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21:17<dondelelcaro>qsheets: but is it? run ps axfu;
21:18<dakine-ji>what causes a linux network to work for 3 minutes then to lose its internet connectivity thru a linksys router
21:18<dondelelcaro>qsheets: well, if you're not running it, your friend is going to have to ask questions here. Assisting through a layer of indirection is beyond my patience
21:18<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: short lease time with blocking of dhcp packets would be my first guess.
21:18<qsheets>dondelelcaro: he said the last one was IRC
21:19<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: but actually figuring out what is causing it not to be conected is the first step.
21:19<dakine-ji>ive 2 'wired connections' eth1 and eth0 both enabled via dhcp
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21:19<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: going to the same linksys router?
21:20<dakine-ji>i cant recall the router password and admin admin don't work
21:20<dakine-ji>dondelelcaro, yes
21:20<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: so you're most likely going to want to configure the second interface manually (or not at all)
21:20<dakine-ji>i don't believe i gave it a password however.........
21:20<Phantom>dakline: by change are you using a lappy with broadcom 43xx wireless chipset ?
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21:20<dakine-ji>dondelelcaro, i've been trying that
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21:21<qsheets>dondelelcaro: kb3llm is him
21:21<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: what is the output of route -n and ifconfig -a? [use a paste site]
21:21<dakine-ji>Phantom, no just 2 desktop boxs one w/winder2k other with ubuntu - that 2nd is the one losing connectivity
21:21<dakine-ji>1 sec
21:22<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: uh... if it's running ubuntu, #ubuntu on is the place to ask, not here.
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21:22<dondelelcaro>best of luck with that
21:22<dakine-ji>dondelelcaro, ya sorry there is 5 ppl in that room
21:22<dakine-ji>based on debian isn't it
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21:23<dondelelcaro>dakine-ji: try #ubuntu on This is OFTC; and even though it's based on Debian, it's not the same.
21:23<dakine-ji>dondelelcaro, what am i looking for with route and ifconfig i can't paste
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21:24<dakine-ji>i can't ping the gateway fwiw
21:24<dakine-ji>oh yes i can
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21:25<Phantom>dakine: have you tried manually configuring the network connection by right clicking the network icon ?
21:26<dakine-ji>Phantom, can i privmsg yourself?
21:26<Phantom>for ubuntu : i would rather keep it public
21:26<dakine-ji>Phantom, i have but not sure i did it right i followed the tutorial
21:27<dondelelcaro>if you want to support ubuntu, please do it in #ubuntu.
21:27<qsheets>dondelelcaro: can you help?
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21:27<dondelelcaro>qsheets: people have to ask questions
21:27<dakine-ji>i'm in ubuntu fwiw
21:27<dakine-ji>no one home
21:27<qsheets>kb3llm: ask dondelelcaro questions
21:28<kb3llm>dondelelcaro: you familiar with ircd-hybrid?
21:28<dondelelcaro>kb3llm: lets assume that I am.
21:28<dakine-ji>Phantom, i should just pick a similar static IP same subnet mask and gateway i guess
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21:29<kb3llm>well qsheets and I are trying to link servers. The link works but drops every 10 minutes or so.
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21:29<Phantom>you can try that
21:29<gravity>dakine-ji: I promise you that #ubuntu on freenode is not empty
21:29<qsheets>... and no clients can connect
21:29<kb3llm>dondelelcaro: and also it is refusing connections
21:30<kb3llm>qsheets: i was getting there :P
21:30<dondelelcaro>kb3llm: after 10 minutes?
21:30<kb3llm>dondelelcaro: yes
21:30<dondelelcaro>kb3llm: what does netstat -plunt; say at that point?
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21:31<kb3llm>dondelelcaro: right now it doesnt say anything involving the link port.
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21:33<dondelelcaro>kb3llm: yeah, then most likely irc-hybrid is dying.
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21:34<dondelelcaro>kb3llm: if you check ps axfu; you'll probably see that it's no longer running, and there should be some error log output as to why it failed.
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21:37<kb3llm>dondelelcaro: irc 1690 0.0 1.7 11676 4448 ? Ss 20:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/ircd-hybrid -pidfile /var/run/ircd/
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21:39<dondelelcaro>strange; well, for whatever reason it's closed the listen socket on 6667
21:39<dondelelcaro>I don't remember where ircd-hybrid logs by default, but checking /var/log/daemon.log is probably a good first start.
21:40<dondelelcaro>someone else here may know better.
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22:16<twinsen514>how do i print the usernames of everyone in this room?
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22:16<twinsen514>doesn't do i wanted
22:16<avu_>at least that's how it should work in most if not all clients
22:16<twinsen514>hmmm.... why is /names not a good idea?
22:17<twinsen514>just a warning from bitchx
22:17<avu_>you tell me? :)
22:17<twinsen514>i think i'd rather masturbate to myself in the mirror
22:17<avu_>yeah that sounds like way more fun
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22:20<twinsen514>has anyone here setup virtualgl? i'd like to show-off beryl through vnc...
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22:38<Picazzo>i have one bug in debian etch related with wireless dhcp networking init script
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22:39<Picazzo>where o who can i tell that bug?
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22:40<tarelerulz>I am lost as to why I can't get on freenode ,but I can get into this room. Could anyone tell me what the different is ?
22:40<Picazzo>sorry for my english, i have the solution but i dont know if it has security issues
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22:41<Picazzo>so i doesn't send it to debian offcial bug list
22:41<dwu>Send it. If it's flawed, they'll reject it (presuming the maintainer is doing the right job.)
22:42<Picazzo>is this the right place ?
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22:44<Picazzo>well, i'll tell you the problem
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22:45<dwu>Why are you telling me?
22:45<dwu>Tell the maintainer of the package.
22:45<Picazzo>i have the zyxel wifi usb 802.11b, but dhcp doesn't work at boot time
22:46<Picazzo>then i change init script networking form rcs.d to rc2.d and now it works fine
22:47<Picazzo>i think cause d-bus script have to be launch before networking for that usb wifi
22:48<Picazzo>i'm not an expert about rc.d init script and i don't know if it has some security or incompatible issues
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22:49<dwu>So SUBMIT THE PATCH.
22:49<dwu>Tell the maintainer! the MAINTAINER will know if it's secure!
22:50<Picazzo>Do I send the bug to offical bug list or anybody caught the problem here?
22:51<dwu>Send the bug if you think it's a bug! If it isn't, they will close it!
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23:18[~]Cyorxamp shouts 'Dont' look at me like that'
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23:31<george>Cyorxamp: donut?
23:31<Cyorxamp>Yes please! :D
23:32[~]george plays horseshoes with some chocolat covreed ones
23:33<Cyorxamp>How long have you been strange? :D
23:34<george>I'm just playin
23:35<george>oh well :) it was fun while it lasted
23:35<Cyorxamp>Won't someone come and play at 4:35am ?
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23:35<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: please play in some other channel, like #play, not here.
23:36<george>that's 8 hours from now!
23:36<Cyorxamp>but I'm all alone in #play :D
23:36<Cyorxamp>george: Thats called a difference in Time Zone
23:36<dondelelcaro>then you won't bother anyone there.
23:37<Cyorxamp>Does your IRC client beep whenever something is said in here or something?
23:37<Cyorxamp>It wasn't exactly bussling with technical chatter
23:38<george>he's a chan op... he has spikey donuts\
23:38<Cyorxamp>keep em
23:39<george>doesn't this chan kinda die until like 8 am pt?
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23:40<Cyorxamp>It obviously doesn't die with a topic like donuts
23:40<dpkg>methinks donut is slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry.
23:41<Cyorxamp>John F Kennedy was a donut
23:41<george>paranoia of the pastry variety?
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23:42<dondelelcaro>folks, if you dont' have something Debian related to discuss, do it elsewhere.
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23:43<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. or
23:43<Cyorxamp>Kennedy made a slightly embarrassing grammatical error by saying "Ich bin ein Berliner," referring to himself not as a citizen of Berlin, but as a common pastry
23:43<Cyorxamp>Ich bin ein Berliner
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23:44<LadyLike> to set beryl running at startup?
23:44<george>look into .xsession
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23:45<juan>how do i do to position myself in the console_
23:45<juan>i mean
23:45<juan>in a directory
23:45<dondelelcaro>juan: cd
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23:45<Guest105>could you repeat that_
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23:46<MikkLinux>you mean something like cd /path ?
23:46<george>juan: cd
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23:51<Guest105>i need to know
23:51<Guest105>how to use
23:51<Guest105>the make command
23:51<Guest105>because, I need to run an executable text file
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23:52<Guest105>i go to the path, i put make at the console
23:52<Guest105>but i cant get the command to work
23:52<dondelelcaro>Guest105: uh... you almost certainly don't want to run the executable text file, but if you did, it'd be ./foo
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23:54<Guest105>help me please
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23:54<Guest105>i want to
23:54<Guest105>i want to run the executable text file
23:55<Guest105>bue i go to the directory
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23:55<Guest105>but i go to thew directory
23:55<Guest105>i insert make
23:55<Guest105>but it doesnt work
23:55<Guest105>please, tell me how to do it
23:56<george>why not work?
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23:57<Guest105>i get a msg saying something like
23:58<Guest105>You didnt specified any objective and the makefile wasnt found
23:58<Guest105>but i am at the directory
23:58<Guest105>i dont know
23:58<george>oh ok
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23:59<Guest105>so, what can you tell me about that+
23:59<george>so what are you typing?
23:59<Guest105>im typing make
23:59<Guest105>and the file is called makefile
23:59<Guest105>but whats that command for anyway
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