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---Logopened Mon Dec 03 00:00:00 2007
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00:00<george>ok what is it you try to do exactly?
00:00<Guest105>im trying to execute an executable text file
00:01<dondelelcaro>Guest105: why are you trying to do that?
00:01<george>make does not do that
00:01<Guest105>i need to compile it
00:01<george>ok :)
00:01<dondelelcaro>Guest105: what are you trying to compile?
00:01<Guest105>i was told to use
00:01<Guest105>i was told to use the make command
00:02<Guest105>in the university
00:02<Guest105>a friend is developing a part of a mini operative system
00:02<Guest105>so he told me to follow some instruction
00:02<Guest105>between that instruction i found
00:03<george>don wants you to press enter less :)
00:03<Guest105>to go to the Module folder where an executable text file is located
00:03<Guest105>and once im positioned ther
00:03<Guest105>he told me to insert the make command
00:03<Guest105>but it doesnt seem to work
00:04<Guest105>after that there are some instruction that say commands like ./MSHELL /home/guest...................
00:04<Guest105>do you have any clue of what im saying
00:05<Guest105>do you know what im talking about
00:05<dondelelcaro>you're not making much sense, unfortunatly.
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00:06<Guest105>the subject at the university is OPERATIVE SYSTEMS
00:06<Guest105>im studing to become a system engeneer
00:06<Guest105>ingeneer i mean
00:06<Guest105>so, in this subject you have to develop a mini operative system under linux enviroment
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00:07<Guest105>i need to know how to proceed with this
00:07<dondelelcaro>if you want to compile something with make, then whatever you're trying to compile should have a Makefile. If you're trying to compile something with a script that isn't a makefile, then you should be able to execute that script by ./script, assuming it's executable and uses a known interpreter
00:07<Guest105>i think we are getting close
00:07<dondelelcaro>in either case, it's something that should be documented, or you should know how to do at this stage in your university career if it's some kind of assignment.
00:07<Guest105>you sound just like my friend
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00:08<Solver>dare I say rtfm - seriously the lecture notes etc would be the best source of info
00:08<dondelelcaro>if you're totally lost, talk to your TA or professor.
00:08<Solver>or other ppl in the course
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00:08<Guest105>nono, im not at that level yet, this is the assignment of a friend that is nearly close to become a system engeneer
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00:09<dondelelcaro>well, so your friend should be able to help you
00:09<Guest105>not nearly, but he is further on the career than me
00:09<Guest105>he doesnt have much time
00:09<dwu>This has nothing to do with systems; I'm mildly terrified by the idea of a uni course that enrols people who haven't learnt to rtfm :|
00:09<Guest105>could you help me
00:09<dondelelcaro>in either case, it doesn't have anything to do with Debian, so no.
00:09<Guest105>yes it has
00:09<Guest105>and just for you to know
00:10<Guest105>this is a second year subject
00:10<dwu>There are 12 year olds out there who know how to use make.
00:10<Guest105>so you are saying that you are terrified by the idea
00:10<dwu>Please don't try to impress us with the idea that this is 'advanced'.
00:10<Guest105>but thats not the point of the subject
00:10<Guest105>im not trying to do so
00:11<Guest105>but its not as simple as you think
00:11<dwu>And no, I'm terrified that you got enrolled in a university course apparently lacking the ability to obtain help or to read whatever README came with the software.
00:11<Guest105>mmmm you dont understand
00:12<Guest105>im not supossed to take that course yet
00:12<george>Guest105: ok... so, here is an exercise for you so that you can see how things are built:
00:12<dwu>So? you're in first year university, and have failed to learn how to read manuals?
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00:12<george>find gnu hello
00:12<george>untar it
00:12<george>read every file
00:13<dwu>Or ask a professor for help? I'm sure a professor wouldn't say "but you shouldn't be doing this yet", he'd be quite happy to help you move ahead of yourself in learning.
00:13<Guest105>i just wanna know one thing
00:13<george>try building it then running it
00:13<Guest105>why are you sucjh a pain in the ass DWU
00:13<Guest105>im asking for help
00:13<Guest105>and the only thing you can do y mocking of me
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00:13<dwu>*arch brows*
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00:23<sortadi>has somebody used debmirror here?
00:23<callahad>Out of curiosity, why are some of the people listed at not included in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg ?
00:23<sortadi>I don't understand the root directory option when using rsync?
00:23<sortadi>- ?
00:24<sortadi>it says I should put ":" as a prefix of the root directory
00:24<sortadi>and the root directory is /debian (at most cases)
00:24<sortadi>so that means I have to replace the "/" for ":"?
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00:28<dli>sortadi, show the line you are talking about
00:29<sortadi>dli, --method=ftp|hftp|http|rsync -e / Specify the method to download files. Currently, supported methods are ftp, hftp (ftp over http proxy), http or rsync. To connect a rsync server, you need to put ’:’ prefix in the root directory (i.e. ":debian", which means host::debian).
00:30<dli>sortadi, if you want to use /debian , use :debian now
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00:31<sortadi>dli, ok. Another thing. If i use the rsync method the targett hostname changes in anyway?
00:31<sortadi>dli, because I set it to ""
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00:46<sortadi>dli, you're gone?
00:47<dli>sortadi, it should be like
00:48<sortadi>dli, oh ok. Well that's what the script does
00:48<sortadi>dli, it puts together both variable strings
00:49<dli>sortadi, you'd better test with your settings
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00:53<shayan>hello, does anyone know a movie to be shown in public about linux?
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00:57<_uplinkd_>hello, where would i find banned hosts, i.e. one host i cannot access via web, email or ftp. all programs don't recognize it on this computer only, so i believe the situation is a local setting is blocking me from accessing the site. how do i go about fixing that?
00:57<_uplinkd_>i.e. what docs should i read, where do i start to diagnose this problem?
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00:58<dli>shayan, try fsf movies
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01:02<sortadi>shayan, linux code
01:03<sortadi>shayan, revolution OS
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01:07<rame>Hi all..
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01:12<Kebianizao>is there any trick to instll grub on a system whose / is on an LVM group?
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01:18<waltercool>someone know how fix the locales in sid?
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01:25<Kebianizao>I'm installing debian and I want to use crypted LVM
01:27<Kebianizao>does crypted LVM works as regular LVM, i.e.: you create a volume group and then some logical volumes inside? or do you create a cripted volume and insise that you create a regular LVM?
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01:28<ptr>Kabianizao: I wasn't aware that lvm had an encryption facility built in---I've been using luks to encrypt individual logical volumes, but you could do it either way
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01:29<ptr>depends if you want to hide which logical volumes are defined, or not
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01:30<valdyn>Kebianizao: both operate on and provide block devices, you can stack them up as you want
01:31<Kebianizao>well, I'm used to lvm, so I would like to create /usr, /home and / crypted logical volumes
01:31<Kebianizao>ptr: I think I want that luks thingie
01:32<ptr>Kebianizao: so, set up your LVs, then take a look at 'man 8 cryptsetup'
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01:32<Kebianizao>ptr: I'll do but remember I'm on an installation and hence using d-i
01:32<ptr>Kebianizao: uses device-mapper to create a virtual encrypted device on top of the logical volume
01:32<ptr>using which?
01:32<Kebianizao>debian installer
01:33<oddtod>hey guys is there any way to run a report of users / which groups they belong to?
01:33<valdyn>oddtod: like "cat /etc/passwd" ?
01:34<Kebianizao>ptr: once I create the crypted phisical volume I got a whole partition (big) using ext3 sda5_crypt, but I want some more partitions inside tht
01:34<ptr>Kebianizao: Aaah.... so, I haven't done it from the ground up before---I don't have encrypted root. But just do all the necessary setup before the installer (booted from the cd), and then, after the installation finishes, before rebooting, chroot to /target and set things up there too
01:34<oddtod>will that show what groups each belong to?
01:35<ptr>also, your terminology is confusing. You want partitions inside partitions?
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01:35<Kebianizao>ptr: sorry for that, let me rephrase
01:36<ptr>so, you want the encrypted partition to be a physical volume for lvm?
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01:36<Kebianizao>I want in my sda disk a layout like this: sda1(/boot, uncyphered), sda5(crypted volume group)
01:37<Kebianizao>and inside sda5 as separate logical volumes: swap, /usr, /home, /var, /
01:37<ptr>Do you want sda5 to be completely opaque, or is it ok if the lvm layer is below the encryption layer?
01:37<ptr>ie, is it ok if an attacker can tell that you're using lvm, but not what the contents of the individual lvs are, or do you want the entire schmeer encrypted?
01:38<ptr>it sounds like you want the latter
01:38<Kebianizao>ok, so the encryption is another layer more to be place in between the real disk and the lvm, right?
01:38<Solver>Can I once again suggest key escrow for encrypted filesystems and maybe even unencrypted (but physically secure) backups
01:38<ptr>the encryption is a layer that can go wherever you want. It can either go between the real disk and lvm, or it can go between lvm and... well, the top
01:38<Solver>crypto is unforgiving of lost keys
01:38<valdyn>oddtod: cat /etc/passwd | awk -F : '{ print $1 }' | while read i; do echo -n $i: ;sudo groups $i;done
01:38<Kebianizao>I want whatever is more feasible/convenient
01:39<valdyn>oddtod: mind, that needs sudo to be setup, you can skip that if you run the whole line as root
01:39<oddtod>thanks Valdyn'
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01:39<ptr>Kebianizao: I've done the former, and the latter's probably possible---I just haven't played with it. Lemme check.
01:39<oddtod>yeah i'll prlly run it as root
01:39<oddtod>is there a good way tomanage users
01:39<ptr>scratch that---it *is* possible, the question is just if the init scripts will handle it well.
01:39<oddtod>through CLI?
01:39<Kebianizao>Solver: thanks for the warning, but I'm already aware of that
01:39<valdyn>oddtod: or uh, root isnt even required
01:40<Kebianizao>ptr: what's you advice then? I would like something working
01:40<ptr>Kebianizao: make your vg directly on top of sda5. Then, for each individual lv,
01:40<ptr>cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/mapper/vg-lv1
01:40<ptr>then, edit /etc/crypttab
01:41<Kebianizao>would that ask me for one password per each crypted lv?
01:41<Solver>Kebianizao: great. we had someone in here recently that hadn't given it a thought :)
01:41[~]Solver sleeps
01:42<ptr>Kebianizao: it sounds like you'd rather do it the other way around; probably possible, but you might have to fiddle with your init scripts
01:42<Kebianizao>Solver: it's a new installation and I will use the computer very often, so there a little chances that I forget it, unless it's in the beggining where I won't have much vauable info
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01:42<Kebianizao>ptr: no, I have another option, just crypt home
01:42<ptr>Kebianizao: crap, it's late at night, I forgot: there are additional things you have to worry about with an encrypted / , and I don't know how it's done. Because it has to be decrypted before the system can boot
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01:44<Kebianizao>ptr: I'll read about thise more thoroughly and I won't do anything till I know well what I should do
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01:44<Kebianizao>probably I'll go into it later this evening (morning now)
01:44<Kebianizao>I thought it was simpler
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01:44<Kebianizao>ptr: thanks a lot
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01:46<ptr>Kebianizao: . It's for ubuntu, not debian, but the instructions as far as preparing your initrd are accurate
01:47<Kebianizao>ptr: thank 'gain ;)
01:47<ptr>Kebianizao: for all other filesystems, it's easier. luksFormat them, and then add a line in /etc/crypttab like home /dev/mapper/vg0-home none cipher=aes,luks
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01:48<ptr>Kebianizao: if you want encrypted swap, no need to luksFormat---just add a line swap /dev/mapper/vg0-swap /dev/random swap
01:48<ptr>Kebianizao: that pulls a random key from /dev/random every boot
01:48[~]Kebianizao reminds of reading random vs urandom
01:49<ptr>difference is that /dev/random is truly random.... and thus, if you don't have a hardware RNG, is very, very slow. It bases its output on system entropy, collected in a variety of ways
01:50<ptr>urandom is like random, except that, when the system entropy pool is depleted, it uses a software pseudorandom number generator, which theoretically could be cracked
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01:50<ptr>since encryption keys are very small, there's no reason to take the risk.
01:51<billo_>If I have a wireless router, and my computer is using ethernet wires to connect to the network, will it be possible to pick up packets of my laptop using the wireless
01:51<Kebianizao>ptr: wow, you're a mine of info
01:51<billo_>from the wired computer
01:51<ptr>I memorize random shit. There's so much barely useful information in my head...
01:52<Kebianizao>I can't anything but thanks againg ptr. I'll hope to see you more often here ;)
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02:25<shay>Hello folks
02:26<shay>is there a normal explaination of why the system does not show the complete size of a hard drive?
02:26<shay>for example, a 80G hard drive is shown as 76
02:26<shay>a 40G hdd, is shown as 37G
02:26<shay>I was thinking about the backup inodes, but I don't think they take that much space
02:27<dwu>Space used for formatting/partitioning, reserved space, etc. 4G is about 5% of 80G, innit?
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02:27<N1ghtCrawler>shay: and becaus the drive manufacturers think that i GB is 1000 byte
02:28<shay>so it actually is what I thought?
02:28<N1ghtCrawler>and the os think 1 GB is 1024 byte
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02:28<dwu>*shrug* pretty much
02:28<shay>I see, thanks
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02:29<shay>Is that reserved space really nescesary, say, for non-important data?
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02:29<shay>I mean, can I decide with percentage of the hard drive I want to keep for reserved space?
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02:29<dwu>It's somewhere when you format a drive for install. Somewhere.
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02:30<shay>I'll check mkfs options
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02:33<dli>SharkMa-san, it's not reserved, when you buy 100GB, it's indeed 100 GiB = 100x10^9 byte=100/1.024^3=93 GB
02:33<dwu>Hrm, well, yeah. :| I'm awful.
02:33<shay>dli, :)
02:33<shay>thanks for the specific info
02:34<dli>shay, ext3 reserves 5% for root usage
02:35<shay>it's an external FireWire hard drive, I'm formatting it as ext2
02:35<shay>I don't think I'll need journaling in that drive
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02:36<dli>shay, I use jfs on my mobile hdd, because jfs doesn't reserve anything, and fsck.jfs is fast
02:37<shay>dli, excuse my ignorance, I've never heard of JFS
02:37<shay>dli, I'll read about it and check it out
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02:37<shay>dli, maybe that's what is more suitable for that drive
02:38<shay>dli, thanks
02:38<dli>shay, I have no problem running jfs for / and for mobile, however, if you have no idea, ext3 is the default choice
02:38<shay>dli, I have basic knowledge on filesystems in general. I've worked with ReiserFS, ext* and XFS mostly
02:39<shay>(when it comes con Linux filesystems)
02:39<N1ghtCrawler>whats the advantages of running jfs over ext3 besides it does not reserve anything?
02:39<dli>N1ghtCrawler, one obivious advantage, mkfs.jfs is fast
02:39<shay>dli, from another point of view, there are drivers (?) for ext* on other operating systems
02:39<shay>dli, MacOSX, Windows
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02:40<shay>and that's something that might come handy sometimes
02:40<shay>dli, do you know of any JFS support on other operating systems?
02:40<dli>N1ghtCrawler, I guess you have to retreat to VFAT, or ext2
02:41<dli>shay, not sure about ext2 support in mac
02:41<shay>dli, I don't remember the name of the package/application, but there is, I've used it
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02:41<N1ghtCrawler>I have a server with a LVM drive on a couple of 100 gigabytes what's the filesystem for me+
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02:42<dli>shay, then, you can use ext2
02:42<knoppix_>what it do ladies??????????
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02:43<shay>/dev/sda1 459G 70M 436G 1% /mnt
02:43<Guest109>any ladies in here
02:43<dli>shay, another idea, nowadays, we can use network to get cross platform compatibility
02:43<shay>it's a 500 Gigs drive
02:43<shay>alll those lost gigas seems like a waste from my point of view
02:43<dwu>shay: They're not "lost".
02:44<shay>dli, yeah but I think of offline recovery and such (altho I can always use a livecd with JFS support)
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02:44<shay>dwu, but they're actually usable?
02:44<dli>shay, also you have to fsck sometimes, and fsck external disks is slow, where jfs does have the superiority
02:44<dwu>*sigh* math apparently isn't working out. meh, whatever.
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02:45<shay>dli, to get JFS support I only need jfsutils?
02:45<shay>(and the jfs kernel module, I guess)
02:45<dli>shay, yes, mkfs.jfs fsck.jfs tune_jfs, etc.
02:45<shay>dli, I'll give it a try, thanks for your help
02:46<dli>shay, jfs is in standard kernel, so, should be in any distribution
02:46<dli>shay, unless you build your own kernel, then, you have to add support
02:46<shay>yeah, I already modprobe'd it
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02:46<dli>shay, it's silly to use a livecd to drive up hdd, if you can boot up from external hdd
02:47<tarelerulz>any of you have a Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02) if so how did you get it to work ?
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02:47<dli>!tell tarelerulz about bcm43xx
02:48<shay>/dev/sda1 466G 59M 466G 1% /mnt
02:49<shay>dli, it still has some backup blocks, as it seems
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02:49<tarelerulz>dli, I installed that and I no idea what to do after that . I got the firm where I think I need ,but what you do after that how do you find your wirelles router and son
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02:49<shay>althought the formatting phase was definitely fast
02:49<shay>some seconds
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02:49<dli>tarelerulz, iwconfig
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02:50<dli>tarelerulz, make sure you have the driver running
02:50<dli>shay, ext2 reserves some space for inode tables(slow mkfs), jfs uses dynamic inode tables
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02:51<dli>shay, also, jfs has extent support, a feature added to ext4
02:51<shay>dli, I'll check the development documentation of JFS to understand more indepth the architecture of it
02:51<tarelerulz>Well, the module is load DLi
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02:52<dli>tarelerulz, run: iwconfig to verify that
02:53<tarelerulz>I did iwconfig and I got this eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"belkin54g" Nickname:"Broadcom 4311"
02:53<tarelerulz> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.472 GHz Access Point: Invalid
02:53<nafs>Good morning, I am just wondering if Debian has like a firewall at default?
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02:55<dli>tarelerulz, then, just follow a wifi howto for debian:
02:55<dli>tarelerulz, sorry,
02:55<dli>nafs, no, desktop users don't need a firewall
02:55<tarelerulz>Should iwlist eth1 scan show my router ?
02:56<dli>nafs, sure, you should know your router already
02:56<dli>tarelerulz, sure, you should know your router already
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02:57<tarelerulz>I know what the router is ,but should that show something if the bcm43xx is working right
02:58<nafs>dli: Ok, 'cause when I try to send a file with aMsn nothing happens.. I thought some ports were not open. What do you think? :)
02:59<dli>tarelerulz, if you can see iwlist, it's probably proper
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03:00<dli>nafs, I'm not sure about amsn, can you try gaim or pidgin
03:00<tarelerulz>So I shold load the module sudo modprobe -a bcm43xx , iwlist eth1 scan , sudo iwconfig essid belkin54g and then sudo bhclient Is that all what I do
03:01<dli>tarelerulz, read the debian howto I posted
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03:05<nafs>dli: I think I would prefer to use aMsn if possible. There are ports that has to be opened in order for the file transfer to work, but I can't find any configuration utility in Debian for ports :)
03:06<Guest110>Anybody speak in chinese?
03:06<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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03:12<dli>node1, this is an english only channel. you can msg me, if you want to ask your questions in chinese
03:13<node1>>>dli,I am in #debian-zh
03:13<dli>node1, no, I do join those channels, sorry
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03:14<dli>node1, s/do /don't /g
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03:18<nafs>dli: you don't know if there's a possibility to open ports in Debian or if they are at all closed? (;
03:20<dli>nafs, no, by default, debian doesn't install any firewall. I suggested you to try with gaim or pidgin
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03:20<dwu>Of course, the "closed ports" could be on their router, etc.
03:22<dli>dwu, MSN doesn't need port forwarding
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03:23<simonrvn>!open ports
03:23<dpkg>rumour has it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
03:23<simonrvn>blah wrong one
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03:24<dwu>For file transfer, MSN Messenger -does- appear to require ports to be listening/available/open/take your pick.
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03:25<staclol>hey, is anyone able to answer a few questions i have on installing debian?
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03:26<dli>!tell staclol about ask
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03:53<hachi>I did a dpkg-divert --divert /var/spool/postfix/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver --add /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver
03:54<hachi>and now dpkg is throwing an error
03:54<hachi> unable to create `./usr/lib/dovecot/deliver': No such file or directory
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03:54<hachi>anyone know why it would still be trying to create that file there?
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03:56<dli>hachi, try "dpkg --force-all -i ", you think that file can be safely override
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03:57<hachi>uhhh... I think you missed the divert that I did
03:57<hachi>I want that file
03:57<hachi>rather obviously
03:57<hachi>considering the divert that I did
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04:01<hachi>simonrvn: criminitely, you're in every bloody channel aren't you
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04:02<simonrvn>nope. i blame timgoh0 for it
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04:05<dwu>Fuck timgoh0. HARD. :(
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05:03<Guest120>wo bin ich
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05:57<Gnomee>Hi everyone.
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05:58<Gnomee>Anyone have a second? I have this strange problem with term
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05:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
06:00<Gnomee>When I do as root: "chown root:root /etc/terminfo/a" I'll get "cannot access `/etc/terminfo/a': Permission denied"
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06:02<Gnomee>and "ls -la /etc/terminfo/" will return: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 2005-02-08 10:42 d; drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 104 2007-12-03 10:40 E; ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/terminfo/a; ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/terminfo/c; ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/terminfo/x
06:02<gormanm>as root chmod +r /etc/terminfo
06:02<gormanm>u+r even
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06:04<Gnomee>looks like that some directories in /etc/terminfo/ have damaged privilidges: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/terminfo/c
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06:04<Gnomee>and it won't let me change them
06:06<Gnomee>I can chown /etc/terminfo/ and most of the subdirectories, except /a /c /x
06:06<padski>Gnomee: yes, that sounds plausible. how do you get stuff in /etc/terminfo ?
06:06<Gnomee>my term is not working correctly because of that
06:07<Gnomee>padski: what do you mean?
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06:07<padski>Gnomee: just curious. I don't have anything there. it is donkey's years since I went near terminfo
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06:08<D4rky>is there any good iptables script ? to block ddos pachets ? i have lot of ddos atacks and i dunno what to do
06:08<Gnomee>it's part of basic debian installation (ncurses-base_5.4-4_all.deb, ncurses-term_5.4-4_all.deb)
06:09<weasel>I think starting with a nick that doesn't have numbers in place of letters might be a good start
06:09<Gnomee>contains information about different terminal types
06:09<padski>Gnomee: I have those installed
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06:09<padski>D4rky: suggest you consider talking to your network ops
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06:10<D4rky>ok thx ;)
06:11<Gnomee>padski: it won't let me chown/mv/rm those directories even as root
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06:14<Gnomee>padski: ;
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06:15<Gnomee>padski: /usr/share/terminfo/ is link into /etc/terminfo/
06:16<Gnomee>padski: actually just some files inside /usr/share/terminfo/ link into /etc/terminfo/
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06:17<padski>Gnomee: by the sounds of things, I would treat it as filesystem corruption
06:17<padski>Gnomee: that explains it. on my system /usr/share/terminfo isn't a symlink
06:18<Gnomee>padski: and "ls -la /usr/share/terminfo/c/cygwin"?
06:18<Gnomee>padski: is that file or symlink?
06:18<padski>and I seem to have ncurses 5.5
06:19<padski>Gnomee: it's a link to /lib/terminfo/c/cygwin
06:19<padski>Gnomee: you are on sarge ?
06:19<Gnomee>padski: i don't have /lib/terminfo/, I guess it's /etc/terminfo/ on my system
06:20<Gnomee>padski: how do I check?
06:20<padski>Gnomee: I see now. it is like this on sarge.
06:20<padski>Gnomee: no definitive way, but cat /etc/issue
06:20<Gnomee>padski: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1
06:20<padski>Gnomee: yes, sarge
06:22<padski>Gnomee: on the sarge box I'm looking at /etc/terminfo/c/cygwin is a file
06:22<Gnomee>padski: I can't get inside /etc/terminfo/c/
06:22<Gnomee>padski: /a /c /x are broken
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06:23<Gnomee>padski: that means ansi, cygwin and xterm :)
06:23<padski>Gnomee: so how are fixed for dealing with a corrupted filesystem, and have yuo thought about how it could have got that way ?
06:23<crossnet>/w $me
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06:23<Gnomee>padski: no idea
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06:24<padski>Gnomee: what does the system do ?
06:25<Gnomee>padski: it's just internal development server running web services
06:26<padski>Gnomee: and are you the guy who has to fix it ?
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06:27<Gnomee>padski: noone really care :), but I'm the only one capable of fixing it
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06:27<Gnomee>padski: it's just pain using terminal in this box
06:28<padski>Gnomee: so if this is filesystem corruption, this will be on your root filesystem then ?
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06:30<Gnomee>padski: yes
06:30<padski>Gnomee: do you have backups ?
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06:31<Gnomee>padski: not on this box, there's not much stuff running on it
06:31<Gnomee>padski: but everything else seems tu be running just fine
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06:33<padski>Gnomee: it is hard to hand out advise in such a case, but I cannot advise carrying on as if nothing is wrong if you think you have a corrupted filesystem. fsck would seem like the better alternative
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06:34<WhyACow>i have a corrupted fs...its painful
06:36<padski>WhyACow: especially in cold weather
06:36<Gnomee>padski: can fsck make it any worse?
06:37<padski>Gnomee: I have seen fsck leave practically nothing behind, but it is unusual.
06:37<Gnomee>padski: can I check just particular path? of it has to be the whole volume
06:38<padski>Gnomee: you can do the fsck interactively, that gives you some 'control'
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06:43<Gnomee>padski: "fsck -r /dev/hda2" will always ask before repairing, right?
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06:43<padski>Gnomee: you could stop the system and back up from an external boot
06:44<Gnomee>padski: to run fsck automatically after reboot?
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06:45<padski>Gnomee: not sure I understood the question
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06:46<Gnomee>padski: is fsck executed automatically after reboot?
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06:48<Gnomee>padski: /etc/init.d/
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06:49<padski>Gnomee: I would want to check the details, but typically the root fs is fsck'ed before mount, but if it is marked clean it won't get a full check (modulo mount-count, etc)
06:50<Gnomee>padski: I'll reboot and try "fsck -r /dev/hda2", that shouldn't repair anything automatically, right?
06:51<padski>Gnomee: ISTR there is a file you can put in the root to force a full check, but I forget the name. but in any case, I'm not certain what the best approach to a system with a corrupted filesystem is, since all bets are already off ;-)
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06:52<Gnomee>padski: hmm... I'll probably backup the whole box and fsck it
06:52<padski>Gnomee: you could consider running the check from an external boot
06:53<padski>Gnomee: there seem to be quite a few options when I get to thinking about it :-)
06:53<padski>Gnomee: backups are your friend
06:54<Gnomee>padski: I'll do that... thank you for your help, really appreciate it
06:55<padski>Gnomee: no problem. I hope its good advice :-)
06:55<Gnomee>padski: we're about to find out :)
06:55<padski>Gnomee: good luck
06:56<Gnomee>padski: thx
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06:58<padski>never noticed the grep -P optino before :-)
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07:04<MakuzoBR>Bom dia a todos
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07:04<MakuzoBR>alguem sabe alguma forma de concaternar 2 aqruivos PDF?
07:04<MakuzoBR>em php
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07:06<gormanm>gnomee: shutdown -F -r now will reboot and force a fsck of everything on reboot
07:06<gormanm>but if it is filesystem corruption, I would be very concerned as to what caused it in the first place
07:07<gormanm>three most plausible explanations are plan harddrive failure, bad cabling or insufficient power
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07:07<gormanm>I would check kern.log for whining messages in relation to your disk
07:08<Gnomee>gormanm: I was probably power failure we had two weeks ago, this box is not on APC
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07:08<gormanm>it's possible, brown-outs would cause the weirdest type of failures. For reference, over the weekend my firewall "lost" a network card due to a brownout (lightening)
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07:09<gormanm>twas somewhat irritating that the only fix was to turn it off and on again (plain reboot wouldn't do the job)
07:10<Gnomee>gormanm: :) hehe.. thx for the tip, I'll backup the box and try running the fsck
07:11<gormanm>not a bad plan. During the backup, watch kern.log for filesystem-related problems. If possible, it would be best to boot the computer with a CD and dd an image of the partition in question to another disk
07:11<gormanm>then if fsck makes the situation worse, you'll still have an image of the partition to work with
07:12[~]gormanm had the unfortunate necessity to recover firewall-related scripts by running strings on a partition image to find them
07:13<Gnomee>gormanm: sounds like a good idea, I'll do that too
07:13<gormanm>this is a very unlikely scenario though. I had severe filesystem corruption due to a disk badly damaging itself
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07:59<dpkg>rumour has it, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
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08:09<ecidadania15>ola alguem quer tc???
08:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:11<ecidadania15>#debian-br (/j #debian-br)
08:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:11<ecidadania15>ola, #debian-br
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08:37<kon>hi, my system is broken, i guess it's libs... whenever i try to access absolute paths, there is an unknown erro 530
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08:38<kon>seems like the error is caused by /lib/
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09:06<Entheogen>guys how can I set up wireless ad hoc network
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09:07<Entheogen>i need to set up server on debian machine, and access it from windows?
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09:17<victor>Help! mouse stops working while screensaver appears.
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09:19<victor>clicking is ok, but the pointer is not moving anymore.
09:20<victor> it's a usb mouse.
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09:21<victor>it worked fine until tonight.
09:21<victor>I don't think I have done anything unusual tonight.
09:23<padski>victor: is this repeatable ?
09:24<victor>padski, it became normal after a restart, then even a restart won't take any effect.
09:24<C>hi, i need help appending a text file with crontab. at the moment i am using it to drop in the date before an rsync process is run and prints its output to the same text file, but how do i get it to put in a line of plain text after the date? just a note or reference or such.
09:24<victor>padski, yeah, it is. I have restarted it several times.
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09:27<padski>victor: so, to recap: you usb mouse doesn't move *after* the screensaver has appeared, until the next reboot ?? or just doesn't work even if you reboot ?
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09:28<victor>padski, it doesn't work even after reboot.
09:28<padski>victor: so what was the bit about a screensaver ?
09:30<victor>padski, it's just an ordinary gnome screensaver.
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09:30<padski>victor: so it only doesn't move while the screensaver is on ?
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09:31<victor>padski, it utterly stopped working even after the screensaver is off.
09:31<victor>i mean the movement.
09:31<padski>victor: but it works before that ?
09:32<victor>yeah, that's where the problem began.
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09:33<victor>padski, and after that one malfunction, the mouse just refused to move no matter what.
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09:34<victor>even while no screen saver is on.
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09:36<padski>victor: so: it stopped while the screensaver was on, and it hasn't worked since ?
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09:37<victor>padski, this is wired. I didn't do anything but typing for help, and out of nowhere the mouse is alive again.
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09:38<padski>victor: the awesome power of irc ;-)
09:38<victor>padski, hard to understand, isn't it?
09:39<themill>padski: use the force...
09:39<padski>victor: well, at least you know the mouse isn't completely dead :-)
09:39<victor>padski, thank you. I must get off now.
09:39<victor>God bless you.
09:39<padski>victor: good luck
09:40<padski>is he pulling my leg ?
09:40<victor>padski, what do yo mean?
09:40<victor>pulling your leg?
09:41<victor>i have been telling the truth.
09:42<victor>padski, and believe it or not, the mouse is dead again.
09:42<padski>victor: we spoke too soon ...
09:42<victor>padski, is this a virus or what?
09:43<victor>has my Debian got sick?
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09:43<padski>victor: I doubt it
09:43<padski>victor: does it have a cable ?
09:43<victor>padski, yes.
09:44<padski>victor: one possibility is that the cable is worn. wiggle the cable and it will stop or start. I have seen this before.
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09:46<speedyg>hi, i'm fiddling a bit with ssh port-forwarding, is it possible if i've got port 80 on machine X, forwarded to machine Y:3000, to make machine Y:3000 available to all other machines in Y's network ?
09:47<victor>padski, can i see the status of my mouse in bash
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09:48<victor>padski, I have wiggled it and so far nothing has happened.
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09:49<padski>victor: I'm sure you can, but I don't know how. I would think you would want to see some representation of the usb traffic to check whether your mouse movements are making it that far, and so on.
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09:49<padski>victor: its quite an interesting question, I will have a look about ...
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09:50<padski>speedyg: I'm sure it is :-)
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09:51<speedyg>padski: I guess you don't have a clue on how to do it ;)
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09:54<victor>padski, it turns out you have been right.
09:54<victor>the mouse is worn out.
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09:54<padski>victor: lucky guess
09:54<victor>I have tested it on my colleague's computer.
09:55<victor>thank you any way, and I really didn't pull your leg~ :-)
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09:57<ServerSide>rabbit_ ask !
09:57<padski>victor: I am glad you have a result :-)
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10:01<padski>speedyg: port-forward maybe
10:03<Darag>not sure if this is the right place but i am getting 404 from pkg apache2-npm-prefork and apache2.2-common any one help?
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10:05<D4rky>how can i make a revers to a domain from my root ?
10:05<padski>!greet D4rky
10:05<dpkg>Welcome, D4rky
10:06<padski>D4rky: PTR ?
10:06<speedyg>padski: got it allready :)
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10:06<speedyg>thanks to freenode's ##debian ;) (/me hides)
10:06<padski>speedyg: not "speedy" for nothing then :-)
10:07<D4rky>i want to make my ip to have a domain reversed
10:07<D4rky>i have the domain... but when i connect to irc it show`s my ip
10:07<D4rky>not my domain
10:08<padski>D4rky: PTR
10:08<aptituz>so either you have no appropriate record for your domain, or the irc servers dns does not know about it, or the dns server is borked and does not resolv ip adresses to names at all
10:10<D4rky>i can`t find the file :|
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10:11<padski>D4rky: another case of talk to your network providers
10:11<aptituz>D4rky: if your provider delegated the NS power for your ip range to you, you should create one. otherwise you may talk to your provider as padski said.
10:12<aptituz>in either case setting ptr-records requires some basic knowledge.
10:12<D4rky>provider said i have the right
10:12<D4rky>to change the domain
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10:13<weasel>tell your provider what you want to be.
10:13<weasel>there's nothing _we_ can do for you here.
10:13<aptituz>you can't "have the right", either the ip addresses dns records are delegated to a nameserver you operate or maybe the operator allows you do change it through a webif
10:14<D4rky>no no no
10:14<D4rky>not my actual ip
10:14<D4rky>i have another server
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10:14<aptituz>D4rky: _please_ think about it
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10:14<aptituz>you have been told some useful hints/advises, now you have to see what to do with them
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10:15<D4rky>yes :) thx
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10:17<dpkg>one warez list being sent to freak_
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10:18<padski>I'm here all week
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10:20<Freak_>Hey everyone, I have a question, not exactly linux related (because I know everything about that, hah!) but about my internet connection. I have 20Mbit, and various speedtests say that my bandwidth is ok, but I have trouble connecting to websites, sometimes it takes really long, sometimes it just stops halfway through a page and sometimes it doesn't load pages at all. Could anyone tell me what might be the problem here?
10:21<Freak_>I know it's not the box or the browser, I've tried multiple
10:21<jthomas>Have you kept open your Firefox for a long time? My Firefox stops working about halfway through my day and I have to restart it.
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10:21<jthomas>your DNS timing out? where are you pointing?
10:21<Freak_>I'm baffled as to what it might be
10:22<Freak_>I have the problems with several sites
10:22<jthomas>this might be a question.
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10:22<jthomas>but really where are you getting your DNS from?
10:22<Freak_>and if the dns is timing out both of my isp's dns' are timing out
10:22<Freak_>my isp
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10:22<Freak_>I could try opendns
10:22<jthomas>thats what I use
10:23<jthomas>but. not to say its the solution
10:23<Freak_>no, but I guess it's worth a shot, haha
10:23<Freak_>the worst thing of all is that I'm a Network Infrastructure specialist in everyday life : (
10:24<jthomas>Can anyone help me with a reverse-SSH tunnel? I am trying to reverse-ssh my VNC so that the client machine doesn't need a static IP address; I keep getting "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 5900"
10:24<jthomas>yeah i too do networking and webserver stuff, but its a daily battle to learn what's going wrong ;)
10:24<Freak_>haha, quite true
10:24<padski>jthomas: listening vnc is usually done on port 5500 ?
10:25<Freak_>5000 5900 or 6000 if I remember correctly
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10:25<Freak_>but you can set it up yourself of course
10:25<Freak_>and you could forward the ports to a hostname in your network instead of an IP, that way you dont need a static IP
10:25<jthomas>5500 for listening to a server, or 5900 for connecting to a client-with-IP
10:26<jthomas>I've tried both 5500 and 5900 and get the same error
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10:26<Freak_>does your router support hostnames in your LAN?
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10:27<jthomas>AFAIK, x11vnc doesn't haev a way to add a client, so I am trying to reverse SSH to the client's box, then connect on that box to localhost:0
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10:27<jthomas>Freak_: not sure, but the ports 5500-5505 and 5900-5905 all forward to that box
10:28<jthomas>I can get it working fine on my local network, but once I try from an outside network it fails.
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10:28<Freak_>hmn, I used to do that from work to my home pc, but I used static IPs, but all you need to get working then is the ssh, it doesn't really matter where vnc listens
10:28<padski>jthomas: man vncviewer see option -via
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10:30<jthomas>well my home PC has a DynDNS ("semi-static") IP; I want to allow the server computer to just be anyone who I give this app to (aka family and friends) so that they can run it and I can connect and help
10:31<jthomas>padski: the -via switch for vncviewer? So far my trouble is when I create the reverse-SSH-tunnel, before I even need to launch vncviewer
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10:32<Freak_>then it should only take a port forward of the right port, and that would be the port you specified : /
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10:33<jthomas>I am running: ssh -l username -R 5900:localhost:5900 (where pu.bli.uic.ip is my DynDNS domain; standard SSH connections work fine so I know the DynDNS is working)
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10:34<Freak_>and then when you're in the ssh shell you can't launch the vncviewer?
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10:34<padski>jthomas: apologies, I keep taking pot-shots at your problem :-)
10:35<jthomas>No, the viewer wouldn't be this user. The viewer would be ME at home; the user (who runs the reverse-SSH) would run x11vnc
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10:35<jthomas>no sweat, this reverse-SSH stuff blows my mind. I wish I could understand it better; CLI syntax improvements would help there, but still....
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10:37<Freak_>but the user at home would have to be running a server, in order for you to be able to help them remotely, right?
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10:37<jthomas>Like I said earlier, it worked fine on my home network (but I *had* to use the local address for the vnc-client machine, NOT the DynDNS domain (??); from my office I get the error "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 5900"
10:38<jthomas>Freak_: yes, they would be.
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10:38<Sescevok>hello guys
10:38<Sescevok>i am trying to get java working in iceweasle
10:38<Sescevok>i made a symbolic link to
10:38<Sescevok>for the
10:38<Freak_>still sounds like your router doesn't route port 5900 correctly
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10:39<Sescevok>but it still doesnt work
10:39<Sescevok>am i linking to the wrong place?
10:39<padski>jthomas: you have permission for the ssh port forward (it can be switched off in the sshd_config) ?
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10:40<jthomas>I agree, it sounds like that, but I don't see how its not. It works on the local network (prob doesn't go through the router tho)
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10:40<jthomas>padski: I bet thats it, lemme check!!
10:42<jthomas>padski: I only have an option for x11 forwarding, set to Yes; I don't see anything about port foprwarding...
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10:42<jthomas>padski: would it maybe in the client ssh_config file?
10:42<padski>Sescevok: have you been reading this ...
10:43<dpkg>i guess java-plugin is netscape-java-477, or get Java SDK from then alien to deb, install, cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, ln -s /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0/plugin/i386/ns610/ . add deb woody local to /etc/sources.list and apt-get install j2re1.3 java-common . a complete waste of time. see java-plugin-gcc3. For mozilla 1.5 try javasoft j2se 1.4.2_04 jre, and the ns610-gcc32 version of ...
10:43<jthomas>padski: would it maybe in the client ssh_config file? Since its reverse, does the server then become a client?
10:43<azeem_>dpkg: forget java-plugin
10:43<Sescevok>padski: i got it
10:43<padski>azeem_: thanks
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10:44<Sescevok>padski: you have to link to iceweasel/plugins not firefox/plugins ..... my mistake
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10:44<padski>Sescevok: I'm sure I just installed a package :-)
10:45<azeem_>dpkg: no, java-plugin is either java-gcj-compat-plugin (free) or sun-java5-plugin (from non-free)
10:45<dpkg>okay, azeem_
10:45<padski>except on ppc where my setup is still rather heath-robinson :-)
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10:49<jthomas>Even with just trying the tunnel, I get the error message.
10:49<padski>jthomas: if you vary the port numbers (has anything already got them ???)
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10:50<jthomas>aw geez.
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10:51<jthomas>maybe? like the x11vnc connection I am using to WATCH MY HOME DESKTOP to see if this works!?
10:51<jthomas>lemme look into that further, i feel really lame right now
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10:59<jthomas>padski and Freak_: well since I cannot see the home computer's screen, I have no idea if this is working. BUT I didn't get any errors, so I'd guess it is... I'll have to check it when I get home tonight, but thanks a lot!
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11:00<Freak_>haha, I guess it worked then
11:00<Freak_>I got my i-net to work properly aswel
11:00<jthomas>well maybe not...
11:00<Freak_>you'll have to wait and see, but no errors means it at least connected to something
11:00<jthomas>since I can ssh-with-X, I should be able to run my home's vncviewer and have it appear here, yes? and it doesn't
11:01<jthomas>lemme try something else...
11:01<Freak_>I don't know how ssh-with-x works, I've never used it
11:01<padski>jthomas: netstat -lpn | grep 5900
11:02<jthomas>basically, when I have a shell connected to home/work/whatever, I just type in an X-program (KDE or Gnome work too) and it appears here, but is run there
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11:04<Freak_>and does that work for, for example Kate, or Gedit?
11:04<Freak_>for you, right now?
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11:05<padski>Freak_: there are some X progs that choose to break it (for performance for example), but in general it is something you expect to work
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11:06<Freak_>yeah, but that's not what I meant, haha, I mean, if he tries to start it now, does it work, because if so, then so should vnc
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11:07<padski>Freak_: there are seperate options in the sshd_config file. seemed to me like -R doesn't need an option at the dest ??
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11:08<Freak_>I don't see an -R
11:09<Freak_>perhaps you're using a different version?
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11:09<padski>etch. -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport
11:09<sachi>i have inside some tish folder
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11:10<Freak_>hmn, I'm on sid, but the port:host:hostport are compulsory the way it says there
11:10<sachi>and in those thish folders are some gtk folders and metacity
11:10<sachi>what should i do
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11:11<knoppix_>hallo `?jemadn da ?
11:11<oobe>how come your bot suggests that debian is supirior?
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11:11<oobe>how come your bot suggests that debian is *superior?
11:11<sachi>guys how to install this theme
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11:12<oobe>install the theme with apt-get sachi
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11:13<jthomas>Yes I can open Kate over ssh-X
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11:14<jthomas>I thought maybe I needed two terminals to do this, one for the reverse-SSH and one for the x11vnc server; still not working tho.
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11:14<jthomas>(I was running both in a script; like I've said, it works at home on the local network, even as this script)
11:14<Freak_>that is strange
11:15<Freak_>is your firewall blocking vncviewer or something?
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11:15<jthomas>Well, not really sure right now. It could be something here at work is stopping it, although I thought that was the point of a reverse SSH tunnel.
11:15<sachi>i cants still install this it says Couldn't find package tish
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11:16<jthomas>my home firewall isn't blocking it, *maybe* work is.
11:16<sachi>and its on my desktop
11:16<jthomas>sachi: is it a .deb ?
11:16<jthomas>or a KDE theme?
11:17<jthomas>kde themes are installed in the Theme Manager in kcontrol; local .debs can be installed (as root) with: dpkg -1 _package_.deb
11:17<jthomas>dpkg -i _package_.deb rather
11:17<dpkg>package _package_.deb rather is already installed
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11:17<sachi>ah guys i dont know this
11:18<jthomas>what is the file name?
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11:18<sachi>i dont know
11:18<sachi>its a folder named tish
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11:19<jthomas>what files are inside the folder?
11:19<sachi>in gtk is gtkrc
11:20<jthomas>ok so its a GTK (gnome) theme; look into the Gnome setup/control center thingy for a way to install it...
11:20<jthomas>sorry I know not a thing about Gnome
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11:23<oobe>hey guess what everybody ubuntu is now better than debian
11:23<oobe>thats right
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11:25<oobe>i am typeing a really long sentence to see how many lines get put into one sentence before a second sentence is started ;lkclnlknd;clkndsa;cn;ldsk oj c;klsdnc odshc oisdhc osdn [o codnj cdsoijc odsicj lodjck odsj oi oisdh dsjg dsoak gfods jgosdjg oksd oksjg [oidsjg [sdjg [posdj g[iosd g[oisjd g[sdj g'ksd g'lkmds ;lgkm sd;lgkj dsoi g[jdg oskjg odsg oijg odsijg dsoig odsig ds[oig osjig [pioasj g[piosdg [sdk glkjsgd lksdg ;lkds goks dgoshda g[
11:25<oobe>oihds gi[odsag okj dsogkj dsgjk sdogj sodig dsgoi sdgoji [siogj [soigj [oi gs[oih gs[di oasdgjik sdpoi jgpojdsg pojksagd ipjsgdiojds g['kjdsofkjdsfoijsdafo dsfopi [dsfi jdsf[iojds fo ijoifdsopijfdspoijfosdijf dso[ksjdfokjsdflkjdsf ohycv hf f oji oifdoijfvioj jif jfd ojifdoihfdoij dfo ihfdhoi foivio fd iofoi hofihg og ho[ igho[si gho[ihf [osdih fosdif [osdhif [soifh [dsiofh [osdfih sodif [osdhf [o
11:26<padski>!ops kick oobe troll
11:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: kick oobe troll
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11:27<@weasel>Ganneff: spoilsport
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11:27<padski>thanks weasel, Ganneff
11:27<@Ganneff>weasel: hey, i want to have fun too!
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11:44<cievo> do I find out in c/c++ how many characters I can type into one line?
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11:47<padski>Cievo: there has to be a better channel to ask that question, but I don't know which one
11:48<Cievo>padski: :) thanks anyway :)
11:48<qbit>Cievo, probably how ever large you set the buffer too
11:49<Cievo>qbit: Yes, but I set buffer bigger than sreen..
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11:49<qbit>not sure then.. maybe in #c ?
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11:58<valdyn>im sure the C spec never ever has a limit about line length
11:58<valdyn>hell, c does not even know lines
11:59<valdyn>oh, I misunderstood the question
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12:00<padski>valdyn: and he has gone :-)
12:00<valdyn>padski: cievo is still there, thought that was him
12:01<padski>valdyn: apologies. he left and then rejoined
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12:02<padski>and then left ...
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12:20<padski>!greet ido50
12:20<dpkg>Hi there, ido50
12:21<ido50>Hey... What's up?
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12:26<dpkg>hmm... announce is We are not interested in greeting you, nor in having you greet us. Don't say hi. Don't waste our time with niceties. Ask or answer questions.
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12:26<padski>not that we are unfriendly or anything :-)
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12:27<giant>I figure that was more of a rule for when it gets buys
12:27<padski>giant: I just enjoy the variation :-)
12:27<giant>where a greeting when things are slow, can find if there is anyone paying attention
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12:28<padski>giant: I suspect #debian never sleeps
12:28<ido50>Seems pretty idle to me
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12:28<padski>ido50: do you, by any chance remember, zen moo ?
12:29<ido50>don't think so
12:29<giant>#ubuntu probably never sleeps, debian has its periods of rest
12:30<padski>Colorless green ideas sleep furiously
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12:32<donny>working on a relatively new install of Etch. i just ran "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev" and one of the dependencies are linux kernel headers. is that right?
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12:33<ido50>Well I'm using sid and I don't see it depends on the kernel headers...
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12:37<padski>donny: apt-rdepends libgtk2.0-dev
12:37<qbit>is there a ppc specific channel ?
12:37<padski>qbit: yes
12:38<qbit>ah.. was doing -ppc :P
12:38<dpkg>well, powerpc is a RISC microprocessor arch created by Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance(AIM) in 1991. Originally intended for workstations, PowerPC CPUs have since become popular embedded and high-performance processors as well. PowerPC was the cornerstone of AIM's PReP and Common Hardware Reference Platform initiatives in the 90s but the arch was most successful in the personal computer market in Apple's Power Macintosh line.(2001) askme <debianppc>
12:38<qbit>already there.. thanks anyway tho
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12:43<pixel>just installed debian, got a question about the flash plugin for you guys. I installed swf-player and libflash-mozplugin, but I still can't get flash videos to play, is there something else I need?
12:44<padski>pixel: what arch ?
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12:45<pixel>yeah, i tried that, but apt couldn't find flashplugin-nonfree
12:45<padski>pixel: or there's gnash, but I haven't managed to get a youtube movie to play in that yet :-)
12:45<padski>pixel: do you have non-fre in your sources.list
12:45<pixel>probably not, i haven't edited it from install
12:46<padski>!non-free sources
12:46<dpkg>non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
12:46<padski>pixel: assuming you want non-free, otherwise there is gnash
12:47<pixel>i'll try nonfree
12:47<ido50>i've given gnash and klash a try a few times but they always crash... maybe they're unstable on sid, how are they on stable?
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12:49<padski>ido50: like I said, it doesn't work for me for movies yet. I recently uninstalled it, cos some pages bring everything to a crawl. I was using lenny/sid
12:50<padski>ido50: another user here said he has had some sucess with the movie thing
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12:51<JohnF>what`s up?
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12:52<ido50>well, it definitely has a long way to go. talking about movies and all, how about a firefox plugin for videos? I've been using the mozilla-mplayer plugin but I'm not really satisfied with it. Most of the times it doesn't manage to run any video...
12:54<padski>ido50: this is with a firefox plugin I think
12:54<padski>!tell JohnF about ask
12:55<JohnF>I want to chat
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12:58<padski>JohnF: you might get more chat on a channel that is meant for that
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12:59<JohnF>fuck you
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13:00<padski>I cried
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13:16<trangius>hello, how do I get my mx500 mouse to work with xwindows in debian
13:16<trangius>like, all the buttons (forward and backward and such) in firefox
13:16<trangius>or iceweasel or whatever
13:17<trangius>I use the evdev-driver...
13:18<cahoot>trangius: this seems to touch on the subj:
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13:19<marc_>anybody know how i can remote connect to my vista laptop from ubuntu?
13:20<flami>How can i restric a user to only use certain commands ?
13:21<trangius>cahoot: been looking around there, suppose I've been loking at the wrong x-version
13:21<flami>marc_, by buying vista server edition ? :P .... maybe rdesktop works on vista . or VNC .
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13:22<themill>marc_: ubuntu isn't debian... and you'd need to tell us what sort of connection you were looking for too. (file sharing, desktop sharing, keyboard/mouse sharing)
13:22<marc_>desktop sharing
13:22<flami>and marc_ read the topic
13:23<themill>marc_: ask about rdesktop or vnc in #ubuntu ;)
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13:23<trangiusarien>silly me, tries to send a message with ctrl-x as in centerim :p
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13:24<trangiusarien>how do I see wich version of xorg I'm runnig?
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13:26<kmap>trangiusarien: dpkg -l xserver-xorg is one way.
13:26<flami>trangiusarien, apt-cache policy xorg
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13:29<trangiusarien>thanx :)
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13:29<trangiusarien>what does the 1:XX mean?
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13:29<trangiusarien>can I run serval ones, instaled at thte same time? and the second is like 2: and so on?
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13:34<linjav>LMK if I'm in the wrong place but I'm having an issue with using XChat 2.6.8 on debian and can't use the /list command
13:35<linjav>I asked on the xchat channel but didn't get any reply
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13:43<dkr>linjav: windows... channel list
13:44<linjav>windows channel list
13:44<linjav>Oh, I see it...thanks!
13:44<dkr>the menu up top that says "window", th eoption within that menu that says "channel list"
13:45<dkr>that's what happens when you misuse ellipses, they lose meaning. :)
13:46<linjav>I'll get out of here and move to an appropriate newbie channel now. Thanks dkr :)
13:47<dkr>linjav: channels aren't split based on level of knowledge, but simply based on topic
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13:48<linjav>ok thanks for the reassurance dkr
13:48<cahoot>dkr: never visted #ubuntu?
13:48<dkr>cahoot: heh. don't be mean. :)
13:48<cahoot>yes that was cheap
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13:52<speedyg>hey! :D
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13:53<will>closing that terminal window was not smart.
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14:11<moritz>Hi, I need help applying kernel patch. Basically I need to reconfigure the 2.6.18-5 xen-kernel. I pulled in linux-source-2.6.18 and linux-patch-debian-2.6.18. How can I apply the same patchset that was used du build the kernel images shipped with etch?
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14:23<callahad>moritz: and should be useful
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14:33<SpudDogg>anyone here?
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14:34<dkr>dpkg: anyone?
14:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:36<SpudDogg>Can anyone here shed some light on what packages I need to install to get my ipw3945 wireless card working?
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14:38<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
14:38<noflash>!tell SpudDogg -about ipw3945
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14:38<noflash>jinx ;)
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14:50<N1ghtCrawler>someone got a good guide for setting upp samba so i can make windows shares?
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14:50<SpudDogg>!tell spuddogg -a ipw3945
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14:50<SpudDogg>!tell SpudDogg -a ipw3945
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14:54<SpudDogg>I've installed the packages that the bot recommended, but I still cannot get my ipw3945 wireless card working. 'lsmod | grep ipw3945' shows that everything is running correctly, but there is still no device other than eth0 (wireless card should be eth1)
14:54<SpudDogg>anyone have any ideas?
14:54<Eulex>check dmesg?
14:55<SpudDogg>Eulex: what am i looking for?
14:56<SpudDogg>Eulex: i found this in the 'dmesg' output "ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection"
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14:57<Eulex>SpudDogg, clues?
14:57<cahoot>not listed in iwconfig?
14:57<SpudDogg>cahoot: no, not listed there, nor in the output from 'ifconfig -a'
14:58<cahoot>missing firmware?
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14:58<SpudDogg>cahoot: i installed the package 'firmware-ipw3945' but still a no go. this is weird because it worked perfectly on my last install
14:58<philipp274>jemand da?
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14:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:00<Clumsy_Root>i have a question: i'm attempting to configure a hybrid desktop environment, using kde as its base and with gnome accessibility components (panel etc.)
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15:00<Clumsy_Root>how would one go in order to get the OS to load the components of my choice on startup instead of default ones?
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15:02<janznenz>how can I select the apt upgrade method and from which mirror apt should get files? theres a pretty easy interface for this, but I cant remember how to run it. (console)
15:02<SpudDogg>When I try to start the ipw3945d daemon, I get the error "ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection"
15:02<SpudDogg>I'm thinking I just need to reinstall or something
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15:03<qbit>SpudDogg, your wireless card on a laptop?
15:03<SpudDogg>qbit: yes
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15:03<qbit>is it switched on?
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15:04<SpudDogg>qbit: of course, lol
15:04<qbit>cool.. i had that problem a while back on my x60.. wasn't on :P
15:04<qbit>is the stupid intel daemon running ?
15:04<qbit>can't remember what it's called
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15:04<SpudDogg>qbit: you mean ipw3945?
15:04<qbit>could be
15:05<qbit>let me check
15:05<qbit>rebootin the lt
15:05<SpudDogg>qbit: rebootin the lt?
15:05<SpudDogg>oh, n/m
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15:05<qbit> :P
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15:08<skynux>hola gente!!
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15:34<godplay>anyone else having issues with mplayer and mpeg in debian lenny?
15:35<streuner>ever tried BTS?
15:36<godplay>not familiar with it
15:36<godplay>it's weird because it's only mpeg giving problems
15:36<streuner>!+tell godplay -about BTS
15:36<dpkg>told godplay about BTS.
15:37<streuner>Keep in mind, marillat's version isn't supported (not in BTS)
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15:38<streuner>Also, xine-ui and vlc are very nice videoplayers too
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15:40<godplay>yeah vlc is also ok, xine haven't checked on that one
15:40<godplay>i can use mplayer actually, only when using gmplayer it gets stuck
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15:40<godplay>could ofcourse change association for mpeg files to an alternative
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15:40<Kebianizao>is there any way to avoid shredding of my 200GB brand new hard disk inside the debian installer?
15:41<godplay>what do you mean?
15:41<Kebianizao>yes, smash the disk information with thrash so is totally destroyed (the info not the disk)
15:42<qbit>ah, don't think so
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15:43<Kebianizao>ouch! :O this is looong
15:43<godplay>is it your root partition?
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15:43<godplay>or your etc?
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15:43<Kebianizao>godplay: well, it is everything just starting from scratch
15:44<godplay>yeah but are you mounting it as your / partition or are you using multiple harddisks and this is for example a /home drive?
15:44<Kebianizao>this could take well 4 hours
15:44<Kebianizao>godplay: umm, well, this is the partition that will be used far all but /boot
15:44<Kebianizao>I'd like to have it encrypted
15:45<godplay>then you'll have to wait i'm afraid
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15:45<Kebianizao>well, i could kill the process but I don't know where it will lead me
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15:47<Kebianizao>does d-i support having everything encrypted (but /boot of course)?
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15:47<istoc>Quick question: Why does basename complain that it's missing an operand when I give it a playlist in this way?: basename < playlist
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15:49<Kebianizao>istoc: it may well depend on what's inside playlist
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15:50<istoc>I've tried making a testfile with one line /foo/bar/baz
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15:51<Kebianizao>istoc: I think it's taking it as parameters rather than input
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15:53<istoc>I've tried cat file | basename, same problem. I'm guessing I'll have to specify it line by line but I'm not sure how to.
15:54<Kebianizao>istoc: do a for
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15:55<istoc>Kebianizao: thanks, I'll have to look it up
15:55<_rey>does anybody know how the change the fonts tk uses by default?
15:55<_rey>preferably some global setting
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16:08<ido50>damn, rms left
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16:09<Taaapani>god damn I can't figure out this irc shit
16:09<speedyg>whats the problem with it ?
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16:10<Taaapani>well I dont knoe how to find any other servers than this one..
16:10<speedyg>'find' other servers, usually through google ;)
16:10<speedyg>connect through them depends on your irc-client
16:10<Taaapani>okay, I thought so
16:10<qbit>that's pretty much all ya need
16:11<ido50>if only i could find out what channels all the quotes from are taken. this site is hilarious
16:11<speedyg>its not hard, it just takes practice :)
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16:11<speedyg>haha ido50 :)
16:11<qbit>high5 ido50
16:11<Taaapani>first time in here
16:11<DeepDayze>hi debianites :)
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16:11<DeepDayze>how's things in the Debian world?
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16:12<Kebianizao>DeepDayze: ruling ;)
16:12<qbit>partly cloudy with an increased chance of rain
16:12<Taaapani>it is actually very nice to chat in here
16:12<DeepDayze>Kebianizao: :)
16:12<Taaapani>an useful also
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16:12<DeepDayze>debian's great
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16:12<DeepDayze>nothing beats debian for its power
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16:13<DeepDayze>debian used to be hard to install...but not any longer
16:13<Taaapani>I wonder, where are you all from?
16:13<Taaapani>like countries
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16:13<DeepDayze>installing woody was a byatch
16:13<DeepDayze>i am from USA
16:13<DeepDayze>Taaapani: where u from?
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16:14<speedyg>Taaapani: looking at the joins, I see US,, .au, .ca, .de, .be and .nl (for a starter) :D
16:14<DeepDayze>ah, an israelite amongst us :)
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16:14<DeepDayze>debian is the world
16:14<Taaapani>I'm from Finland
16:14<DeepDayze>land of the sauna :)
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16:15<daffytheduck>hi there ive just finished buildiing a system from source and i want to build dpkg and apt into it is there anyone who can help out with some compiling instructions thnx
16:15<Taaapani>and perkele
16:15<DeepDayze>nice country Finland is, Taaapani
16:15<Taaapani>nice to hear
16:15<DeepDayze>woods mountains and snow
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16:16<Taaapani>yep, unfortunately snow is getting kinda rare
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16:16<DeepDayze>perkele....i don't recollect what that term means
16:16<Taaapani>it is like satan but i prefer perkele
16:16<Taaapani>it has more guts
16:16<DeepDayze>someone mentioned it once
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16:17<dpkg>refer to Njaard, or ask me about Sid
16:18<Taaapani>i have just installed this ubuntu so I decided that if I was going to be nerd enough to install Linux I will also start using IRC
16:18<weasel>Taaapani: cnongratulations.
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16:18<ido50>you're gonna have to give up sex to, Taaapani
16:18<weasel>Taaapani: you picket the wrong channel.
16:18<DeepDayze>ubuntu? That's not a true debian
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16:19<Taaapani>yes but the only one that I'm capable to install:D
16:19<Jflesch>ido50: eh ! that wasn't on my nerd contract ! :)
16:19<rafal>DeepDayze: is it more or less stable?
16:19<DeepDayze>but its a'll want to move to real debian in a flash :)
16:19<DeepDayze>debian stable is stable
16:19<rafal>DeepDayze: (by stable I ment number of bugs found in everyday apps)
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16:19<rafal>(not constant API etc)
16:19<Taaapani>this works pretty well
16:19<DeepDayze>sid is more of a cutting edge...things get rather unstable in sid
16:19<Taaapani>and compiz is integrated
16:19<speedyg>hm I still think ubuntu users should be welcome in #debian channels.... most ubuntu users are noobs(just like kids) one day they'll learn stuff(grow up) and start using debian(become mature ;) )
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16:19<ido50>In iIsrael Jflesch, Debian using-Windows bashing-Punk rockin' nerds get all the hot chicks
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16:20<DeepDayze>speedyg: true
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16:20<Jflesch>ido50: hm, noted :)
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16:21<DeepDayze>ubuntu's a good start for the noobs...and they'll then graduate to Debian ;)
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16:21<SpeedyG>exactly :D
16:21<Jflesch>and next to LFS ? (don't kick, don't kick ... ;)
16:21<Taaapani>if I only could have firmware for my dvb-t-card this would be my only working-system
16:21[~]DeepDayze looks around for the bot...
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16:22<Taaapani>but unfortunately I have to use windows for watching tv
16:22<ido50>Always wanted to try LFS, never got to do it
16:22<DeepDayze>debian's better than LFS IMO
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16:22<DeepDayze>LFS is way too muchy effort
16:22<ido50>Taapani, why do you have to use Windows for that?
16:22<Jflesch>hm, probably, in fact I was just kidding ... I've never tried LFS
16:22<DeepDayze>DFS is another good thing
16:22<DeepDayze>Debian From Scratch
16:22<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: after trying gentoo, i've sworn off all kinds of 'from scratch' distros :p
16:23<DeepDayze>lol i hear ya
16:23<DeepDayze>I was a Slackware user
16:23<DeepDayze>slack is about at the same level
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16:23<DeepDayze>I got hooked on debian a few years ago
16:24<DeepDayze>now that its much easier to install than before
16:24<DeepDayze>i gave up on Woody...was a bloody bastard to get installed
16:24<ido50>Now that you mentioned it, I never managed to install stable back in the day. I started from testing immediately and later moved to unstable
16:24<DeepDayze>i now use unstable myself
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16:24<SpeedyG>hm, started with RH -> SuSe -> Knoppix -> Debian -> Gentoo -> Debian (and all other distro's besides that one box running debian)
16:24<DeepDayze>with another machine that has testing
16:25<ido50>yeah, Debian unstable is da shit. Just like my mental health
16:25<DeepDayze>me Slack>Fedora>Debian
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16:25<DeepDayze>lol ido50
16:25<SpeedyG>hm, I tried unstable a few weeks ago
16:25<SpeedyG>had to revert to etch again, due to an unusable machine :p
16:25<DeepDayze>i am mentally unstable debian unstable fits me well ;)
16:25<SpeedyG>I broke things beyond fixing :p
16:26<DeepDayze>same here
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16:26<DeepDayze>but I learned how to fix my broken boxes
16:26<SpeedyG>mentally, i'm stable as etch ;)
16:26<DeepDayze>i did my share of botched installs
16:26<ido50>Well yeah, but tinkering with a broken Debian system for days and finally fixing it is like sex, only better.
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16:27<DeepDayze>I bollixed a fedora install many times
16:27<SpeedyG>biggest problem was that I didnt have time to tinker with it
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16:27<SpeedyG>I had to have it fixed
16:27<DeepDayze>yep I spent hours looking for fixes
16:27<SpeedyG>(it's my tv-box and my gf was coming over, no tv == no sex ;) :P )
16:27<DeepDayze>google is your friend
16:28<DeepDayze>of course I had to use Windows for google :/
16:28<ido50>I think the Amarok website is down. Just when I needed some scripts.
16:28<DeepDayze>with live-cd's it is now easier to fix a borked system
16:29<DeepDayze>one good debian based live cd is Kanotix
16:29<DeepDayze>and knoppix
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16:29<SpeedyG>somehow, I cant boot a laptop on which debian and winXP were, and Vista had to be installed as well
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16:29<DeepDayze>eeeew, vista
16:29<SpeedyG>after installing Vista, I can boot Vista and XP, but no debian :(
16:29<SpeedyG>yeah, tell me about it
16:30<DeepDayze>what's that bad smell...
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16:30<ido50>Listen, I'm worried, the Amarok website is down for at least one minute. This is bad.
16:30<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: it's that chinese girl down the hall cooking her meal
16:30<DeepDayze>vista wants to 0wn your box
16:30<DeepDayze>lol speedyg
16:30<SpeedyG>oh wait, you're not living in my appt.block ;)
16:30<DeepDayze>vista is a bad smell...anything MS is
16:31<SpeedyG>really, smells like some rotting dead animal is laying down the hall somewhere
16:31<DeepDayze>i have a lappy that only runs linux
16:31<DeepDayze>i wow my friends with it
16:31<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: yeah, that laptop is our work-laptop, needs vista to be able to support users with it
16:32<DeepDayze>or why not use a VM
16:32<DeepDayze>vmware or vbox
16:32<DeepDayze>put vista in a VM and you are golden
16:33<DeepDayze>i now keep XP in vbox for those times I absolutely need windoze
16:33<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: because i'm like.. the only linux-guy
16:33<SpeedyG>adn gonna quit that job after this month :P
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16:33<Taaapani>have you seen this vis
16:33<DeepDayze>oh...going to get a better job>
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16:33<Taaapani>I think it is hilarious
16:34<ido50>Yeah Taaapani stumbled upon it a few days ago
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16:34<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: nah, going to quit, to focus fully on my graduationproject
16:34<SpeedyG>(ok, and get a better job after that)
16:35<DeepDayze>maybe become a Unix/Linux guru :)
16:35<DeepDayze>MS will become irrelevant in a few years...and Linux will rule
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16:35<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: hehe, nah, that's just gonna stay a hobby for now
16:35<DeepDayze>and debian's got a good shot at being a distro of choice
16:36<DeepDayze>MS bashing's a pastime for many people ;)
16:36<rafal>I lost some files after computer crash... how to reinstall everything quickly (I still have downloaded data)?
16:36<SpeedyG>DeepDayze: decided I didnt want to loose my hobby by turning it into a job ;)
16:36<DeepDayze>lol don't blame you
16:37<ido50>rafal, try testdisk and photorec, they're really good at that
16:37<SpeedyG>anyway, naptime :D g'night
16:37<DeepDayze>rafal: if you have an idea what files you lost, that will help too
16:38<DeepDayze>if you lost documents, music, vids, can try recovering with photorec
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16:38<Taaapani>because of the MS crashes i bought external hardrive and store evertyhing "valuable" in there
16:38<DeepDayze>and save all the recovered files to a spare partition or a usb key
16:38<DeepDayze>or even an external HD
16:38<Taaapani>I recommend that
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16:39<DeepDayze>then you can reinstall Debian
16:39<DeepDayze>rafal: how did you b0rk your system?
16:39<rafal>DeepDayze: kde controll center miss some of the tabs. or the (ekhm) Ubuntu 7.10 version is broken
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16:39<rafal>Monitor tab is missing there
16:40<rafal>DeepDayze: hard freeze - hardware problem
16:40<DeepDayze>anything shown in your logs?
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16:40<DeepDayze>sounds like a possible disk error even
16:40<rafal>how to see logs
16:40<DeepDayze>dmesg in command line
16:41<DeepDayze>that displays the syslog to your screen.
16:41<DeepDayze>use dmesg | more to page thru it
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16:41<DeepDayze>do that as root
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16:41<DeepDayze>there can be clues to be found there
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16:44<rafal>DeepDayze: nothing speciall
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16:44<DeepDayze>perhaps reinstall kde?
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16:44<rafal>there was raiserfs journals fixing in previous boot after crash
16:44<rafal>DeepDayze: hmm I am... :/
16:45<DeepDayze>ah...reiserfs is rather unstable
16:45<DeepDayze>i recommend using ext3 for FS
16:45<Kebianizao>DeepDayze: have been using it since 7years ago, quite happy with it
16:45<DeepDayze>ext3 has journals too
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16:45<Kebianizao>pity that reiserfs4 is no longer developed
16:45<DeepDayze>reiserfs is not as well maintained nowadats
16:46<rafal>Kebianizao: it isnt?
16:46<rafal>what about RaiserFS team
16:46<Kebianizao>DeepDayze: do you thinkg you need it?
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16:46<DeepDayze>reiserfs is for people who love taking risks...i value stability in my filesystems
16:47<doug_asdf>how do you run vnc server at :0 with tightvnc?
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16:47<Kebianizao>DeepDayze: I too, and I'm happy with it
16:47<DeepDayze>my filesystems are ext3 on seagate HD's
16:47<DeepDayze>stable and fast
16:47<Kebianizao>Kebianizao: I think FS is like ISP, you can talk for or against any of them
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16:48<doug_asdf>who can help me with tightvnc server?
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16:49<DeepDayze>i am not familiar with it
16:49<doug_asdf>are you familiar with other vnc servers?
16:50<Kebianizao>doug_asdf: keep on waiting maybe there's anyone...
16:50<Infinito>not me
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16:51<peter_>does anyone have a good C channel?
16:51<peter_>to recomend?
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16:52<tebo>can i setting monitor's contrast and bridgtness by software???
16:52<dondelelcaro>tebo: depends on the monitor
16:52<Kebianizao>tebo: and your graphics card
16:52<tebo>monitor lcd hp
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16:53<tebo>ati x1600 xt
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16:53<MikkLinux>trying to make ati drivers work on any distro of linux just seems like to much trouble and I've never had much success
16:53<tebo>proprietary drivers
16:53<Kebianizao>tebo: looks like a radeon, install radeontools
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16:54<tebo>it works with proprietary drivers?
16:54<Kebianizao>tebo: maybe, try
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16:55<tebo>where find it?
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16:55<MikkLinux>they say not to use the driver from the AMD/ATI site itself?
16:55<giant>my xp machines can't find my domain anymore. I setup samba on a debian box that was directly connected to an xp professional box, and added the xp box to the domain not a problem
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16:55<giant>but when I migrated the debian server to my switch so the rest of the network could see it, now nobody can join the domain
16:56<giant>the only thing that has changed is the IP
16:56<tebo>WARNING: Radeontool code has not been completely audited and may contain bugs
16:56<tebo>that could damage your hardware. Use at your own risk.
16:56<Kebianizao>tebo: yep
16:57<doug_asdf>who has experience with tightVNC
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16:57<MikkLinux>even the instructins from ati one-liner do not work right for my Radeon 9550
16:58<giant>anyone know where I might start with my samba problems?
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16:58<dpkg>well, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
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16:58<Kebianizao>giant: do you have logs verbose enough?
16:59<[gloom]>MikkLinux: I have ati radeon 9200 in my old laptop, and open drivers worked like a charm
16:59<Kebianizao>maybe #samba at
16:59<MikkLinux>yeah the free drivers work
16:59<MikkLinux>but not the ati ones
16:59<the-dude>giant: did you try rejoining the domain?
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16:59<[gloom]>the ati drivers for the radeons are a crap:(
16:59<MikkLinux>so I've noticed
17:00<MikkLinux>I can't even get refresh rate up past 60 when on free they go up to 75 with my moniter on etch
17:00<SamWeasley>Someone knows how could I force Linux to save FAT files respecting case?
17:00<giant>I tried to join the domain on my laptop, it hasn't been on the domain yet
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17:01<the-dude>giant: any hints in the logfiles?
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17:02<giant>I'm not sure.. let me see what I can do about digging them out... thanks for the tip..
17:02<the-dude>giant: and try to rejoin a computer which use to be in the domain
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17:02<the-dude>giant: perhaps put logging a bit higher
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17:03<giant>I have log level set to 3
17:03<MikkLinux>there a level 9?
17:03<MikkLinux>verbosity 9?
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17:04<grummund>Hi, i'm having trouble with Iceweasel and a website that reports to support Firefox.
17:04<grummund>Just so I can test it - is there a prefered method to get Firefox on this PC other than build from source? (yes, i already asked dpkg about firefox, iceweasel, and why iceweasel)
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17:05<the-dude>grummund: just download the binairies
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17:08<grummund>from ah... now why didn't i think of that. thanks.
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17:09<slayer84>I got a really wierd printer problem. I print from my debian laptop to my desktop running Ubuntu. But the printjob stop
17:10[~]ido50 goes to sleep
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17:10<slayer84>The error log. The problem is that i cant find out if it is a debian or Ubuntu problem
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17:11<slayer84>I think it has something to do with the Ghostscript package
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17:11<Double>i am so horny that i need to fuck someone hard up the ass
17:11<Kebianizao>slayer84: gs is not in its best fit lately
17:12|-|mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
17:12|-|Double kicked [#debian] dondelelcaro [you should know better]
17:12|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by dondelelcaro
17:12|-|mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
17:13<Kebianizao>slayer84: your gs installed packages are badly
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17:14<Kebianizao>slayer84: move everything to sid
17:14<slayer84>Kebianizao: WHAT! Only the gs or?
17:14<slayer84>IS that goig the effect the stability
17:14<Kebianizao>ghostscript and friends
17:15<slayer84>Kebianizao: Did you gather that from the logs?
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17:16<Kebianizao>whose log is this, yours or ubuntu server?
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17:17<Kebianizao>slaxz: line 190 this seems to me as debian version, not ubuntu
17:17<slayer84>Hmm it is Ubuntu
17:18<slayer84>I noticed that ghostscript is called gs in debian and ghostscript in Ubuntu. Could i be the different versions conflicting?
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17:18<slaxz>Kebianizao: wrong person i guess! =(
17:19<Kebianizao>slayer84: gs should be a link
17:19<Kebianizao>slayer84: apt-cache policy gs
17:20<DeepDayze>what with all the spam from the clown Double?
17:20<Kebianizao>slaxz: yep, sorry, tall was for slayer84
17:20<slayer84> Installeret: (ingen)
17:21<Kebianizao>slayer84: use a paster
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17:21<slayer84>Hmm in danish:-) Installed: (None)
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17:21<Kebianizao>slayer84: apt-cache policy ghostscript
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17:23<Kebianizao>slayer84: you don't have ghostscript installed :/
17:23<Kebianizao>slayer84: aptitude search gs |grep '^i'
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17:25<slayer84>But i installed both gs-epl and gs-gpl
17:25<Kebianizao>slayer84: what versions? apt-cache policy gs-gpl
17:26<slayer84> 8.56.dfsg.1-1.1
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17:27<Kebianizao>so it's the ubuntu server that has a prerelease, bad for a server
17:27<ptr>mrtg is a pile of trash.
17:28<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
17:28<Supaplex>ptr: ;)
17:29<slayer84>Kebianizao: Okay so now i know it a Ubuntu problem.
17:29<Kebianizao>slayer84: I think it's the server problem, 8.61 has had some problems in debian that may have been inherited to ubuntu, but AFAIK ubuntu should have taken a prerelease, so this make me think your server is running some kind of unstable (really) version
17:29<Kebianizao>IMHO, it is
17:29<ptr>hehe. Sorry; I've just been fighting with it for the last two days, walking through it in the perl debugger. As far as I can tell, it's very broken, and nobody's bothered to fix it in years. Either that, or it works fine, but is inexcusably poorly documented. I *am* trying to fix it, but I'm very aggravated.
17:29<slayer84>Kebianizao: Thank god! Finally some kind of clue to whats going on!
17:30<slayer84>Kebianizao: I just think ill wipe Ubuntu and put some debian on it then
17:30<Kebianizao>slayer84: maybe I could give you more info a little later
17:30<Kebianizao>slayer84: that would be wise :)
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17:32<slayer84>Kebianizao: Thats okay. Its nice just to have some clue to whats going on. Ive been struggeling with it for tw days:-)
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17:33<slayer84>Kebianizao: The wierd thing is that a Ubuntu client can print to the server
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17:34<Kebianizao>slayer84: then get a log for that
17:35<slayer84>I cant. The Ubuntu had to give room for debian:-)
17:36<slayer84>Kebianizao: ill try to install the printer on the laptop and see of Ubuntu can print to debian
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17:36<slayer84>Kebianizao: (Sidenote: its kinda fun that debian Testing is more stable, than "stable" Ubuntu")
17:36<Kebianizao>I'd say even sid ;)
17:37<slayer84>(Wonder what they use the 6 month on
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17:38<Kebianizao>slayer84: experimental++
17:38<slayer84>And one little thing. Is gdebie broken in testing?
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17:38<slayer84>I cant seem to install anything with it
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17:40<Kebianizao>slayer84: have tried the sid version?
17:40<Kebianizao>if still broken then place a bug, please
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17:40<slayer84>Kebianizao: nope. ill try that and post.
17:40<slayer84>Kid is crying gotta go
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17:40<DeepDayze>give the kid a bottle :P
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17:42<Supaplex>kids, not aids, are the most commonly sexualy transmitted disease ;)
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17:43<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to write something in bash that will get the basename of every line in a file (a playlist) but the metacharacters from the filenames throws basename off, what should I do?
17:43<Supaplex>use perl?
17:43<istoc>I don't know perl :(
17:44<dondelelcaro>istoc: use appropriate quoting
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17:44<istoc>Would quoting the arguments make it smarter?
17:44<istoc>themill: thanks, reading it now
17:45<dondelelcaro>smarter? no, it'd make it do the right thing.
17:45<themill>istoc: You always need to quote things in bash. says quite a lot about quoting too. Also, it has some other recipes for getting filenames without using basename.
17:46<istoc>ok, thanks guys, Ill read up on it
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17:50<istoc>Sigh it looks like a ! is still throwing it off, even inside quotes.
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17:51<themill>istoc: single quotes deal with !
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17:52<istoc>That just removes it, I don't think I'll produce an accurate filename
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17:52<istoc>Oops, nvm
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17:52<istoc>themill:thanks much
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17:56<themill>dpkg: greet error3
17:56<dpkg>Hi there, error3
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18:02<Mask>need help
18:02<istoc>Are there escape characters strong enough to escape ! but now $?
18:02<Mask>any one here
18:03<Mask>wi don't find neostats connectserv mod
18:03<Mask>i don't find neostats connectserv mod
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18:03<Mask>any one plz help me
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18:06<istoc>themill:thanks again
18:07<themill>istoc: np. BTW there's #bash on, but you'll want to have read through those pages thoroughly before you go there asking for help.
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18:13<armlx>hello there is any guide to upgrade alsa drive on debian etch,
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18:14<themill>armlx: Can you tell us why you want to do that?
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18:15<armlx>I try to capture sound, I can here my voice using a microphone but I can not capture that
18:15<themill>armlx: do you know that a newer version of alsa will better support your sound card so that works?
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18:18<armlx>themill: no, but my system is using 1.0.13, I know 1.0.15 is the last one
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18:22<themill>armlx: it's not as much fun to upgrade alsa as you think... You have two approaches -- use the alsa-source package with module-assistant or upgrade the kernel to a newer one that has a newer alsa in it. Newer kernels are on
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18:24<armlx>themill: Ok sound interesting, I can found there manuals to make the kernel upgrade, or may be a site, I'm not an advance user, but a curious one Yes
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18:24<linuxfce>my nvidia driver slows down clock frequencies when no intensive 3d acceleration is being used. problem is, that it takes a few seconds for it to bump up clock frequencies when 3d acceleration needs to be used. this makes compiz fusion choppy for the first three seconds of any animation that begins after a short period of idle computer usage.
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18:25<linuxfce> what i could do to disable this power saving "feature" that slows down the clock frequency during idle periods?
18:25<themill>armlx: to pick up a new kernel, "/msg dpkg" and follow those instructions. Then you can aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686
18:26<Kebianizao>anyone know where I could find the apt-cacher maintainer: Mark Hindley?
18:26<armlx>themill: great, thanks I will enjoy the journey
18:27<themill>armlx: btw -- you have set the mic capture on in the mixer, haven't you? and selected the source?
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18:29<armlx>themill: sure I have, I new on linux not on the computers ;)
18:29<themill>armlx: ;) just checking. the dialogues for that aren't always as straightforward as one might like.
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18:30<armlx>themill: Yes, that is true
18:32<armlx>themill: thanks a lot I will surf now on this
18:32<themill>armlx: good luck!
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18:57<jabka>im Telenting to a distanat machine without X how can i make debian to work with the files (Edit,Remove,Move,chdir,mkdir,stat ) from the local gui but when i will run the programs the output will be on my screen but the memory will be used on the connected machine
18:58<jabka>I can't install any new programs on the distant machine (but i can compile)
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18:59<themill>jabka: can you ssh to the remote machine rather than telnet?
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19:04<themill>jabka: you can use the sftp or fish protocols to manipulate files -- konqueror supports both and nautilus and filezilla support at least sftp. You then have a local gui looking at the remote filesystem. To edit a file though, it has to be transferred to your local computer and then back again.
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19:04<jabka>but what about the running ?
19:05<jabka>on what memory it will be ? (my host or distant ?)
19:05<themill>jabka: Alternatively, if you have X-programs installed on the remote machine, you could ssh -X remotehost and then run those programs so that the window is visible on your local machine but is being run on the remote machine.
19:05<Supaplex>ssh -fX host xapp
19:06<jabka>there is no X on that machine (i can compile but can't install)
19:06<themill>jabka: you don't need X, just the X libraries and programs. There's a difference.
19:07<jabka>hgh ? what exactly ?
19:08<themill>jabka: to edit a file, the editor and the file need to be on the same machine but the gui can be anywhere. You can forward the x connection using ssh -X so that it runs on the remote machine or you can copy the files back and forth. They are your two choices.
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19:08<grummund>Anyone know how to make Iceweasel report to the web-server that it is Firefox instead of Iceweasel?
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19:09<sortadi>could somebody explain to me what's the problem with eclipse and its dependencies in debian?
19:09<jabka>themill, i famileur with X forwarding , but i wasn't aware about that i can forward with installed X
19:09<sortadi>eclipse depends on some gtk libraries which are incomaptible with some gtk mozilla libraries as far as i can tell
19:10<themill>grummund: there's a User Agent Switcher extension that you can use.
19:10<jabka>sortadi : distro ?
19:10<sortadi>jabka, Debian Testing
19:10<jabka>iam on testing now with Eclipse (only the Java)
19:11<sortadi>jabka, well, let's say for example you want to install tuxguitar
19:11<jabka>be awere that there is an open bug against Java (JNI)
19:11<grummund>themill: a command line switch?
19:11<sortadi>jabka, or any other java rlated problem which uses the conflictive gtk libraries
19:11<sortadi>jabka, you can't have eclipse and tuxguitar both in the same system
19:12<jabka>this is the bug i reported tree weeks ago
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19:12<themill>grummund: no, install the User Agent Switcher extension and you get some extra options in your tools menu allowing you to pretend to be other user agents.
19:12<jabka>the correction i got is : switch to unstable to get the new JNI and other java files
19:12<grummund>themill: ah ok. thanks
19:12<jabka>then switch back
19:13<jabka>for some reason the JNI failed to build on some portions
19:13<jabka>this is the bugged package : libswt-gtk-3.3-jni
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19:15<sortadi>I see
19:15<jabka>how can i check what package is refered by a package
19:15<sortadi>what I actually though as the solution was using cvs eclipse
19:15<sortadi>I mean
19:15<sortadi>directly from eclipse website
19:15<jabka>i gess it is a bad idea
19:15<sortadi>and compile it or run it against the good libs
19:15<jabka>just work with a newer Java base
19:16<jabka>becose you should work with apt and not with rpm
19:16<sortadi>but I think there's the same problem on unsatble
19:16<sortadi>no no
19:16<sortadi>not rpm
19:16<sortadi>directly from eclipse
19:16<sortadi>you know
19:16<jabka>there is a deb on eclipse site ?
19:16<sortadi>the tar.gz's
19:16<sortadi>the sources
19:16<jabka>wow it is too much ..
19:16<witte>!tell sortadi about enter
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19:17<jabka>just switch to unstable install the java related stuff (and eclipse) then go to testing back
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19:17<sortadi>witte, ok, sorry
19:17<jabka>!tell jabka about enter
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19:17<witte>!simple sid backport
19:17<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
19:17<sortadi>jabka, ok let me try that. The thing is that I don't want to poison my testing installation that much
19:18<jabka>only java reltaed
19:18<sortadi>jabka, and at work we have a testing repo, exlusively
19:18<witte>sortadi: this enables you to use testing, while having some packages from sid
19:18<sortadi>I see
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19:19<sortadi>witte, the thing is that I also need this at work, where we have a testing repo
19:19<witte>sortadi: the packages you built, the debs, you can also use them at work
19:19<jabka>there is a bug (was allready reported) maybe try to add your info to the bug ?
19:19<grummund>themill: can i just check, were you suggesting that User Agent Switcher is available as a debian package?
19:20<witte>but if you don't do it as above, you can get a mixed system (read possibly big problems)
19:20<themill>grummund: not that I know of. Tools -> Addons -> Get Extensions -> (search for it) -> click "Install now".
19:20<sortadi>witte, exactly. That's what I'm trying to avoid
19:20<sortadi>!ask dpkg backports
19:21<sortadi>!dpkg backports
19:21<sortadi>how's this?
19:21<themill>sortadi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
19:21<sortadi>!tell sortadi about backports
19:21<jabka>!tell jabka about backports
19:21<themill>!self tell
19:21<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
19:22<themill>night all!
19:22<themill>dpkg: g'night
19:22<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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19:22<grummund>themill: g'night and thanks for the help
19:25<ptr>Does anyone here have any experience with mrtg, or, alternatively, have another snmp monitoring tool that they'd recommend?
19:26<george>is there a solution for flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper under etch to get the packaging stuff unstuck?
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19:29<jabka>could anyone please send my bugreport ? (with my details) for some reason i cant send mails
19:29<blarson>ptr: munin seems to be more popular now.
19:29<jabka>not exim and not my smtp
19:29<george>jabka: maybe the best thing is to fix your mail
19:30<jabka>(FireWall issue (Hardare))
19:30<gsimmons>george: You'd want to use either the package in proposed-updates or from
19:30<gsimmons>!tell george -about flash
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19:31<ptr>blarson: as in, as a replacement for snmp?
19:32<ptr>ah; there's an snmp gateway
19:32<blarson>ptr: as a system status graphing tool. I think it can use SNMP.
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19:33<george>jabka: so there is a firewall you aren't under control of that you can't get mail through?
19:33<blarson>It's been a while since I did much with mrtg, and have only been reading munin graphs not setting it up.
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19:34<jabka>this is what happen when you get free Net ..
19:34<george>gsimmons: hi, will check the wiki
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19:34<sortadi>jabka, well it doesnt seem there's a good reason to go into unstable to look for ecplise
19:34<sortadi>jabka, it doesn't even have the latest stable release
19:35<SRabbelier>What do I do about the scary msg about disk not being spun down properly? (
19:35<jabka>sortadi: please explain ..
19:36<sortadi>jabka, eclipse is actually on its 3.3 version
19:36<sortadi>jabka, Unstable features 3.3. So I don't see why go into unstable to have something that's already outdated
19:37<jabka>sortadi: i could sware that i told just to install the JNI related file sorry if i mislead you
19:37<sortadi>jabka, no no. that's not the actual point
19:37<sortadi>jabka, the point is that why go through all the dependencies pain to have something that's already outdated and can be obtained from the webpage
19:39<jabka>we have problem with java (JNI) package for some reason the version is stricted written in many packages (version==3.2) becouse of that it you need to get it from unstable
19:39<jabka>the probelm is that i don't really know how to check what packages dependes on java-swt-3.2
19:40<jabka>this package libswt-gtk-3.2-java
19:40<jabka>ok i have to go (sorry)
19:41<jabka>sortadi: could you file a bug report (aginst tuxguitar) ?
19:41<george>do you have gnoime or kde
19:41<jabka>george : me ?
19:42<sortadi>jabka, sure
19:42<jabka>george : kde
19:42<sortadi>jabka, let me put my thoughts about it in order
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19:42<george>ok, that java package will pull in some gnome libs
19:42<jabka>sortadi: the problem is in depnds line it should be libswt-gtk-3.3-java not libswt-gtk-3.2-java
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19:43<sortadi>jabka, exactly
19:43<jabka>george : so this packge will break gnome install ?
19:43<sortadi>jabka, and there's also the problem between the mozilla libswt-gtk lib
19:43<jabka>george : how did you checked it ?
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19:44<george>no I don't think it will break it
19:44<george>but it will pull in some gnome libs
19:44<jabka>everything that is depndes on libset-gtk-3.2* will have probs
19:44<jabka>bummer for gnome guys ..
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19:45<george>you mean this is a different version than what is available for your debian?
19:45<jabka>george : yes
19:45<jabka>even diffrent package name
19:46<george>well if you try to install this other version (you're right) you'll break things, and this is not a bug you should file
19:47<jabka>the problem is diffrent : you can't install the 3.2 version (it broken)
19:48<jabka>but if you install 3.3 you could work with many application / packages
19:48<jabka>eclipse is one of them
19:48<george>jabka: what is in your /etc/debian_version
19:49<jabka>mixed : lenny/sid
19:49<jabka>this is bad i know
19:49<george>ok, this is not a bug
19:49<jabka>h a
19:50<george>if you have a mixture things will break, when they break it's not the developer's fault
19:50<george>it's just not
19:50<sortadi>jabka, no, that's not mixed
19:50<sortadi>jabka, that's the way debian version shows for testing
19:50<george>and it's not what he or she wants to concentrate on
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19:50<jabka>i was made to move to sid since i need Java related stuff
19:51<jabka>george: please try to install tuxguiter on testing
19:51<george>I don't run testing :)
19:52<george>also I use java-package to build java packages that work under etch
19:52<jabka>george:afaik eclipse & azureus both depends on JNI version 3.2 since that you get broken packages in testing (azures was fixed)
19:54<jabka>george: here is what you get for that package :§ion=all in testing
19:56<grummund>Is it only debian that has 're-branded' Firefox as Iceweasel, or have some other distros done a similar thing?
19:57<jabka>george:and here is tuguitar look what it says about libswt-gtk-3.2-java
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20:00<jabka>good night channel ..
20:00<jabka>thank for the help
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20:02<GradeFPoultry>KNOPPIX is kind of ugly, isn't it?
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20:05<k-man>is there a command to add multiple users to a group?
20:05<k-man>or do i have to do each one one at a time
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20:11<k-man>how do i set a directory such that all sub dirs and files keep the same group?
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20:14<george>k-man: maybe setgid it
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20:15<k-man>i think its the sticky bit
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20:21<george>k-man: of course the ultimate documentation is the source code... you can always check that
20:22<george>you can also experiment
20:22<george>is this for a cvs repo?
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20:23<k-man>for a shared imap folder
20:24<george>you're going to want the umask set to either 002 or 007
20:24<george>probably latter if no one other than user and group should be allowed access
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20:28<george>and so you're going to have to find out how to do that with the imap server I guess, or whatever it is that's manipulating the mail folder storage itself
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20:29<k-man>you do it in the OS with chmod u+s,g+s
20:30<george>ahh, not the sticky bit?
20:30<k-man>isn't that the sticky bit?
20:30<george>like I said
20:30<george>it's the setuid bit
20:30<george>err setgid bit
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20:31<george>not sure what the effect of setting the setuid bit does
20:31<k-man>oh, i think i might need sticky and +s
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20:33<k-man>well, it seems to be working
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20:35<george>ok, glad it worked out
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21:11<dpkg>it has been said that python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see, or #python
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21:11<GradeFPoultry>I can never find an IRC where people are actually talking.
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21:18<MikkLinux>well this room is not really for chat
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21:21<TBBle>I'm having an issue with tomcat5.5 in Etch. Basically, a .war file I'm trying to deploy seems to be getting unpathed file references resolving in /usr/share/tomcat5.5/ rather than /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps/webappname/WEB-INF/classes/
21:22<TBBle>The webapp also expects '/' to be /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps/webappname/WEB-INF/classes/, I think. Is there some option I've missed to make path references local rather than global? Or something I've turned on by accident?
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21:28<MikkLinux>having never used the program nor not really knowing what it does this is just a stab in the dark - DefaultWebApp/WEB-INF/web.xml
21:28<MikkLinux> The Web application deployment descriptor that configures the Web application.
21:28<MikkLinux> DefaultWebApp/WEB-INF/weblogic.xml
21:28<MikkLinux> The WebLogic-specific deployment descriptor file that defines how named resources in the web.xml file are mapped to resources residing elsewhere in WebLogic Server. This file is also used to define JSP and HTTP session attributes.
21:28<MikkLinux> DefaultWebApp/WEB-INF/classes
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21:29<MikkLinux>does this make any sense or help in anyway TBBle?
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21:30<TBBle>Maybe... I saw some mapping stuff in web.xml, but it seems to be mappings from incoming URLs, while I'm having problems with local filesystem mapping
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21:31<MikkLinux>oh well I got it from
21:31<MikkLinux>I don't really etch for to much though
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21:39<mike>Mplayer crashes playing some saved streaming media?
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21:53<WorkingOnSSL>I am trying to install SSL on Apache2 on Debian 4 and I found that the command now is apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer available, use make-ssl-cert
21:53<WorkingOnSSL>but my new install can't find make-ssl-cert any ideas
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21:55<muh2000>i am siting on a problem with some libs :(
21:55<Solver>WorkingOnSSL: updatedb && locate make-ssl-cert
21:55<Solver>WorkingOnSSL: I just looked on a Deb 4 box with ssl and it is there
21:55<WorkingOnSSL>k thanx , will give that a try
21:56<WorkingOnSSL>does not find it
21:56<Solver>one secx
21:56<WorkingOnSSL>k thanx
21:57<Solver>mine is at /usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert
21:57<Solver>let's see if we can find the package
21:58<WorkingOnSSL>not there , somehow it must not have been installed
21:58<WorkingOnSSL>yea I have been apt-cache search but did not find the right fit
21:59<Solver>what does dpkg -l | grep ssl
21:59<WorkingOnSSL>1 sec I will run
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22:00<WorkingOnSSL>ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8c-4etch1 SSL shared libraries
22:00<Solver>ok add package openssl
22:00<WorkingOnSSL>apt-get install openssl correct?
22:00<Tuxthepenguin> #linuxfs
22:00<Solver>muh2000: the packages are either not present, not in directories being looked at or we're looking at a 32/64 bit problems
22:01<Solver>WorkingOnSSL: yep that'll work
22:01[~]Solver prefers aptitude - a one stop shop
22:01<WorkingOnSSL>k thanx , I will add that to my new updated server creation check list
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22:01<muh2000>Solver: 32/64 would be a good guess. lenny 64 bit and a vmserver
22:01<Solver>np - install it on a box and see if it hits it
22:01<Tuxthepenguin>can i install buntu packages in debian
22:02<Solver>muh2000: is there a 64bit version of vmware? I didn't thinks o
22:02<Tuxthepenguin>can i install buntu packages in debian
22:02<Tuxthepenguin>can i install buntu packages in debian
22:02<Tuxthepenguin>can i install buntu packages in debian
22:02<Solver>muh2000: I don't have a 64bit deb box handy but you may find 32bit libs in seperate packages
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22:02<muh2000>and the libs seem to be installed. no 64bit to my knowledge but emul32 stuff is installed Solver
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22:03<Solver>muh2000: the 64bit libs are different to the 32bit libs. I'm not sure if emul32 is sufficient
22:04<Solver>muh2000: if you do an updatedb you can use locate to find all instances of the libs
22:04<Solver>personally I've been running vmware exclusively on 32bit systems
22:05<muh2000>hmmm i had vmware working on a 64bit with emul32 in the past
22:06<Solver>ok cool
22:06<Solver>I never tried that
22:06<muh2000>well not really good working but i could install it...
22:06<muh2000>but now... i dont know why it stucks :(
22:07<Solver>it can't find its libs so it is a no go :)
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22:07<Solver>i've never messed with mising 32/64bit systems much
22:07<muh2000>the system that is running debian has never seen a 32bit OS ^^
22:08<Solver>if you can get the libs installed you can use LD_PRELOAD to load them
22:08<Solver>there may be a better approach but that will work
22:08<Solver>you know about LD_PRELOAD?
22:08<muh2000>Solver: never heard of ld preload
22:09<Solver>muh2000: it is an environment variable which specifies libs to load instead of the regular system libs
22:09<Solver>great when you have lib version problems
22:09<muh2000>how to use?
22:09<Solver>so you write a script with an LD_PRELOAD and wrapper it around your binary
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22:11<muh2000>hmm i located one of the lib under /usr/lib/caca/libx11_plugin....
22:11<WorkingOnSSL>nope make-ssl-cert still not found even after installing OpenSSl but I figured it out I needed to install ssl-cert
22:11<Solver>you can add extra lib directories to /etc/
22:11<WorkingOnSSL>then all is good
22:12<WorkingOnSSL>thanx for the mhelp it got me on the right course
22:12<Solver>WorkingOnSSL: that's interesting as ssl-cert was listed as a wrapper for openssl - that's why I hadn't mentioned it :)
22:12<Solver>WorkingOnSSL: np :)
22:12<WorkingOnSSL>k cool
22:12<Solver>have fun :)
22:12<WorkingOnSSL>I just added it to my check list so it is cool
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22:12<muh2000>Solver: will it look into the confs automatically?
22:12<Solver>cool, np
22:13<Solver>muh2000: no you need to rerun ldconfig
22:13<Solver>muh2000: warning...
22:13<Solver>muh2000: ldconfig remaps your system lib directories. if you removed an important directory and ran ldconfig you could kill the system
22:13<muh2000>only added :)
22:14<Solver>muh2000: yeah that should be ok :)
22:14<Solver>muh2000: in theory it could still cause problems if a duplicate named lib was added
22:14<Solver>muh2000: but I've added directories and reran ldconfig for years without a single hitch :)
22:15<muh2000>Solver: hmmm well the vmware installer still does not find those libs :(
22:15<Solver>muh2000: I still think it is looking for 32bit libs
22:15<muh2000>hmmm could be
22:15<Solver>muh2000: so if you can install them consider an LD_PRELOAD
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22:17<muh2000>hmm i cant find 32 libx for the libx11 stuff :(
22:17<Solver>I was afraid of that
22:18<muh2000>i wonder why they were taken out of debian.
22:19<Solver>you could build a 32bit environment in a subdirectory using debootstrap but man it's starting to get complicated
22:19[~]Solver has also has 3.5 hours sleep so hopes he isn't missing something obvious :)
22:19<muh2000>ld preload is nearly to complicated for me ^^
22:19<muh2000>i am pulling an all nighter ^^
22:20<muh2000>ever used the "vmware-package" ?
22:20<Solver>muh2000: I install it on Ubuntu because it is a supported platform and then run virtual Debian boxes
22:20<Solver>32bit Ubuntu
22:20[~]Solver is going to try 32bit Debian though
22:20<Solver>ie for a vmware host
22:20<MikkLinux>I'm on 32 bit etch
22:21<muh2000>the package is there for 64bit lenny.
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22:21<Solver>MikkLinux: running vmware-server or vmware-player?
22:21<muh2000>but i am not keen for a hard setup
22:21<MikkLinux>no sir
22:21<Solver>muh2000: did you checkout the url I posted. relevant to your situation
22:22<Solver>MikkLinux: ah ok. I run a mix of Ubuntu and Debian in general
22:23<MikkLinux>ubuntu packages in debian?
22:23<MikkLinux>or what you mean?
22:23<Solver>MikkLinux: no different boxes :)
22:24<muh2000>i installed those now...(some where already on the system) :ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk lib32asound2 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcroco3 libenchant1c2a libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-1c2a libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-commo
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22:24<muh2000>and now there is nothing with the libs
22:24<muh2000>but compiling the module fails :(
22:24<Solver>ah different discussion :)
22:24<Solver>so the 32bit libs were there all along :)
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22:26<Solver>been ages since I compiled my own vmware modules but didn't the running system have to match the kernel version
22:26<vortek>Hello :) long time no see, Man doest it feel good to be back in debian :)
22:26<Solver>vortek: welcome home :)
22:27<muh2000>Solver: the kernel source and the running kernel match
22:27<vortek>Any one familer with tpconfig aka the synaptics replacement? The little button nob between g and h keys is busted and keeps moving to the top of the screen. In winblows I just use synaptics to disable the joy nob. But man tpconfig doesn't say how to do this. any suggestions ?
22:28[~]vortek is on a laptop ofcourse
22:28<TBBle>Your vmware module isn't compatible with 2.6.23
22:28<Solver>yep that was my thought too
22:28<vortek>er but typing man tpconfig doesn't help
22:28<Solver>based on the pastebin
22:28<Solver>it's talking about an ioctl
22:29<Solver>2.6.23 is pretty recent
22:29<Solver>vmware probably haven;'t caught up
22:29<Solver>muh2000: welcome to the world of running recent kernels :)
22:30<vortek>BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.21-2-686
22:30<vortek>hrm im runing apt-get now heh
22:30<vortek>never did make a custom kernel for this machine yet
22:31<Solver>I rarely do it anymore
22:31<Solver>years ago I did it as a matter of course
22:31<muh2000>Solver: i am running 23.8 ;)
22:31<vortek>I always get that stupid unable to mount vfs error cause I forgot to compile in something
22:31<Solver>muh2000: exactly :)
22:31<muh2000>but any any patch seems to work for vmware
22:31<Solver>I thought we'd gone over to 2.6.24 already but I was thinking of RC discussions on LKML
22:32<Solver>so is pretty damn recent :)
22:32<muh2000>i dont have time for reading lkml ^^
22:32<Solver>I mean :)
22:32<Solver>muh2000: no one does ;)
22:32<vortek>Solver : yeah with todays machines there so fast no need to optimize your kernel. all though I do like the ability to choose what level of preemptive patching I use, and what I/O scheduler I use, based on what my machines used for, and the ability to make the kernel a hardened secur rock, or networking kernel, or a gaming/desktop kernel
22:32<muh2000>Solver: but still some do:D
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22:33<Solver>vortek: a lot more parameters are changeable on boot or even on the fly too
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22:33<vortek>I wish they still wrote the linux ip stack comentary, now that was a book, like 16 inches long, 4 inches thick, coverd even how the cpu competed for processes down to how telnet grabed chars
22:33<Solver>muh2000: virtually everyone scans for topics of interest and reads only those :) Even Andrew Morton admitted to that a while back :)
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22:34<Solver>I'm not a kernel developer but like to scan to see what is up
22:34<Solver>vortek: yeah but it all changes so fast
22:34<vortek>Solver : very true, I remember in the old days going to like or something like that and manualy having to put preemptive patching in and all these other patches that are stock now, and when you start to multi patch you can run into problems :(
22:34<Solver>just look at the evolution of schedulers
22:34<vortek>Solver very true
22:34<vortek>oh yeah
22:35<Solver>ah those were the days ;)
22:35<Solver>I like there days more :)
22:35<vortek>but that ip stack commentary tuaght me so much, how the cpu worked, what algo it used, how telnet ealy worked, like when it sent the data blah , but it was for the 2.0 kernel, I doubt the kernel even uses round robin for cpu scheduling now
22:35<vortek>Solver yeah I agree
22:35<Solver>oh no
22:36<Solver>"completely fair scheduler" :)
22:36<Solver>the O(1) we waited for so long is pushing up daisies
22:36<Solver>you know about Linux weekly news?
22:36<Solver>good kernel synopsis
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22:37<Solver>muh2000: Linux evolves fast. This is both good and bad :)
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22:37<vortek>oh im gona have to check that out
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22:38<vortek>man tpconfig for laptops touch pad is almost cryptic
22:38<muh2000>i like changes, sometimes ^^ not always ^^
22:38<cjmrdc>the only change i like is my underwear, and that's because it has a purpose i can clearly see
22:38<Solver>muh2000: if you stick to distro supplied kernels things can be smoother
22:38<vortek>There's not even an option to turn off the mini button nob eraser looking joystick, wich is broken on my laptop and always moves up.
22:38<Solver>cjmrdc: ahaha
22:39<muh2000>Solver: running selfmade kernels since i am using linux :D
22:39<vortek>yeah I heard debian patches the heck out of there kernels
22:39<Solver>muh2000: I did that for the first 10 years or so ;)
22:39<Solver>vortek: alot of distros do
22:39<vortek>now I wonder if debian, has extra compile options that other kernels don't?
22:39<cjmrdc>vortek, allow me to be devils advocate but, why fix the symptom instead of the cause? your little keyboard clit could be fixable no?
22:39<Solver>vortek: which can mean breaking stuff if you go with a vanilla kernel too
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22:40<vortek>cjmrdc: nah tried everything, It just has a mind of its own
22:40<Solver>cjmrdc: ooh you called it by its non poltically correct name ;)
22:40<muh2000>Solver: now you stoped using selfmade?
22:40<GuHHH>does someone uses amavis + postfix + spamassassin?
22:40<GuHHH>i need help!!!
22:40<Solver>muh2000: unless there is a good reason yes
22:40<cjmrdc>forgive me, the bourbon speaks through me
22:40<vortek>cjmrdc : its an older laptop, and the rubber is even rotted, and when I remove it , it don't help
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22:40<muh2000>only postfix & clamav
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22:40<Solver>muh2000: this is because 1) the distro kernel is integrated 2) I get security updates 3) I'd rather spend the extra time with my daughter
22:40<cjmrdc>ah, my company felt the need to bless me with not one but two new laptops last month
22:41<muh2000>Solver: hmm i have kinda new hardware, and i dont want to patch the shit out of it all the time when there is a new version :)
22:41<GuHHH>does someone uses amavis + postfix + spamassassin? i need help. my spams are not getting tagged or any spam headers...
22:41<muh2000>hehe ok i dont have a daughter :D
22:41<vortek>cjmrdc : nice
22:41<Solver>cjmrdc: 2 laptops - wow :)
22:41<Solver>cjmrdc: heavy to carry around
22:41<cjmrdc>i haven't touched them
22:41<cjmrdc>the same day they gave me some 'excess' equipment
22:41<cjmrdc>i'ev been playing with them =P
22:41<vortek>man I can't honestly understand why tpconfig don't let you adjust or turn off the keyboard button nob.
22:41<Solver>muh2000: fair enough. a custom kernel can be extra work though
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22:42<vortek>I always made custom kernels sense debian in 97
22:42[~]Solver did custom kernels from 94 to about 2003 and then it petered off
22:42<vortek>But recently for some reason when ever I make one It wont boot, even with make-kpkg and thats even when my hdd drivers compiled in
22:43<Solver>dev changes have caused that
22:43<vortek>what ya mean by peter'd off ?
22:43<Solver>udev, etc
22:43<Solver>vortek: It became less and less common for me to make custom kernels
22:43<vortek>Solver : you mean dev changes make it harder to make custom kernel ?
22:43<vortek>yeah it seems like no matter what I do It won't ever boot.
22:44<Solver>GuHHH: I wish I could help but I'm about to sleep. you may find better luck in a postfix channel as the problem isn't really Debian specific
22:44<Solver>GuHHH: at least it probably isn't debian specific
22:44<vortek>I used to make custom kernels blind folded, just like going threw the old fashion ncurses xwindows config hiting enter 100 times knowing exactly were to go and what to select etc
22:44<GuHHH>im having this problem only on debian
22:44<Solver>vortek: exactly. if the system concept of dev and the kernel don't match you will have big problems
22:44<GuHHH>i have a same configuration on ubuntu and its okay
22:44<Solver>ah ok
22:44<vortek>Solver : what ya mean ?
22:45<Solver>vortek: read up on udev
22:45<GuHHH>Solver: theres no channel postfix
22:45<GuHHH>or is it because im not registered?
22:45<vortek>i though udev was bad or something ?
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22:45<Solver>vortek: I'm not much of a fan of it
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22:45<Solver>GuHHH: no, you'd be able to see the channel
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22:46<GuHHH>Solver: no ones there
22:46<GuHHH>its the only channel i can find ppl :(
22:47<cjmrdc>you might try something more general like linuxhelp on ef
22:47<Solver>ef might have a #postfix too
22:47<cjmrdc>negative i just checked
22:47<cjmrdc>well let me rephrase
22:47<Solver>but postfix rocks :)
22:47<cjmrdc>there is a #postfix
22:47<cjmrdc>with 1 person
22:48<Solver>GuHHH: someone here may be able to help - i'm about to sleep sorry
22:48<cjmrdc>so, solver, i work for the largest cable provider in the US
22:48<Solver>GuHHH: basically review & - see how spamc/spamd is being called
22:48<cjmrdc>and the IT department is a bunch of idiots, and i say that whole heartedly
22:48<vortek>heh this is oxymoronic apt-cache showed me like 5 front ends to tpconfig, but there all x windows and I cant use x sense my mini botton nob on my laptop keyboard makes the curses move all around. Thus I can't use them to config lol. But if the man page doesn't mention any thing about turning off the joy botton nob im sure a front end wont helo.
22:48<Solver>cjmrdc: it's so often true :)
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22:48<vortek>cjmrdc : hehe thats normal
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22:48<cjmrdc>my office wanted me to automate our operations reports
22:49<cjmrdc>so i am, however they wouldn't allow me any access to the exchange servers for automated emailing
22:49<cjmrdc>but were stupid enough to leave smtp forwarding on, and then complain that i was using it
22:49<cjmrdc>talking bout postfix reminded me
22:49<Solver>I have the opposite problem tonight
22:49<k-man>try #postfix on freenode
22:49<k-man>theres lots of people on there
22:49<Solver>an new mailserver with inbound and outbound smtp blocked at the firewall!!!
22:50<cjmrdc>oh nose =[
22:50<Solver>at least it is not in use yet
22:50<Solver>k-man: yeah lots of ppl over there
22:50<cjmrdc>well i don't know what their deal is, they have the smtp forwarding configured to only allow traffic within the network, so what am i going to do? spam the rest of my company?
22:51<vortek>remember the god ole days on slow computers when linux on a dual boot would literly stomp windows in speed on a dual boot machine? and if you wanted more speed a custom optimzed kernel even got ya more :)
22:51<vortek>oh sorry cjmrdc didn't mean to interupt
22:51<cjmrdc>you didn't at all
22:51<cjmrdc>i'm rambling
22:51<vortek>word :)
22:51<cjmrdc>and i've been drinking so, if i interrupt you, i apologize in advance
22:52<Solver>GuHHH: So the usual bases apply - check &, check the logs, etc
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22:53<vortek>even on this machine dual boot to xp, with all the non essential xp services shut off, aka system restore, task manager HUGE MEM hogs on slower machines, and 20 other services shut down like server "who's gona use server or workstation as a home user" its not needed for file sharing, and still xp lags with firefox loaded with more then 4 tabs loaded and lags to almost a halt with 256 megs ram and a pdf viewer, in linux on a STOCK kernel
22:53<vortek>cjmrdc : awesome, id be drinking to, but im on 15 medications including morphine for a neurological autoimune disease hehe
22:53<cjmrdc>oohh morphine
22:54<cjmrdc>the only time i was on it was after a motorcycle accident
22:54<vortek>now the meds dont do crap as far as make your drunker or impair you, well maybe a light wieght, but the meds harm my stomache so much and my disease makes me so week that when i drink i just pass out now.
22:54<vortek>ahh word
22:54<cjmrdc>and i have an unusually high tolerance for medicine, such that to give me the dose i required, they had to phone 2 other hospitals to get second opinions, because technically it should have killed me
22:54<vortek>i got tolerences to it all, even when i get injections of dualdid or ever how you spell it , it dont get buzzes nor 12mg of morhpine iv
22:54<cjmrdc>although at the time i wouldn't have minded =P
22:55<vortek>cjmrdc : ah your like me
22:55<vortek>btw whats your nick stand for ?
22:55<cjmrdc>my initials, and the intials of a now ex girlfriend
22:55<vortek>man i love the smooth apt-get upgrade hehe
22:55<vortek>ahh cool
22:55<cjmrdc>i type it out of habit and it stuck
22:55<cjmrdc>cmd is me, jrc is/was her
22:55<vortek>reminds of camander taco from slashdot for some reason
22:55<vortek>ah yeah nicks stick with ya for life :)
22:56<vortek>when i get drunk i used to use sgt-drunktek
22:56<vortek>or drunkentek
22:56<cjmrdc>well - it's actually not been my nick for more than say 2 years, i switch every so often
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22:57<vortek>I can't , Im to well known on undernet, Im not a script kiddie don't get me wrong, but I got to much invested into this nick
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22:57<cjmrdc>that's actually why i had to change
22:57<cjmrdc>i was a script kiddie when i was younger
22:57<vortek>but like it avoids the hazings, and being called a newb and such
22:57<vortek>thats ok most were
22:57<vortek>its the mind set behind it
22:57<cjmrdc>i was for about 4 or 5 years
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22:58<cjmrdc>a raid made me realize it wasn't a very good career choice =P
22:58<vortek>well even with scripts you need a brain
22:58<vortek>like me I cant code for crap, but I found the format strings exploit before the first 0day was even out and i mean very private 0day
22:59<vortek>i was playing with the old quote user ftp quote pass ftp cwd ~/root trick on a home computer
22:59<cjmrdc>i have a very strange development cycle, if i sit at work for 8 hours staring at the screen i can't solve a simple problem
22:59<cjmrdc>i will however push a girl out of bed at 2 in the morning to make it to the computer when brilliance strikes
22:59[~]Solver has spent his career keeping script kiddies and other _out_ :)
22:59<vortek>and wonderd hrmm what if I try and enter so many chars in quote user ftp field maybe it will run them as commands, right?
23:00<vortek>and low and behold it did, i just didn't know enough to right the shell code, and this was years before the very first format strings exploit wich effected every os in the world even obsd
23:00<vortek>cjmrdc hehehe
23:00<vortek>but I call that a true hacker mind set
23:00<cjmrdc>i actually got very turned off trying to find exploits, except - i never really cared about exploiting anything important
23:01<cjmrdc>i wrote 3 hacks for a game, 2 for speed and 1 for item duplication, and realized i'd rather create new things then find ways to break old ones
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23:01<vortek>or like when nmap first came out, I'd restart my services and change /proc/inet/tcp or some crap like that, were all your sliding window settings were and ttl values were stored to crash nmap on the other users computer hehe and freeze his terminal, and came up with the first nmap os spoofer, so when they scaned me I could hit a button and say im windows
23:01<vortek>nice :)
23:02<vortek>I mean i think its all in the mindset, as long as your doing it to learn.
23:02<vortek>People on undernet say im not a hacker "hacker in the way of freemind finding new ways to do stuff etc"
23:02<cjmrdc>i'm still very much a windows native, i love linux but, i break it so often that my main box is windows
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23:03<vortek>but ive come up with tons of stuff. like nuke naber , I figured hrm load my favorite linux tcp packet dos program and send 100 nukes boom nuke naber quit working, they patched it, then i spoofed rand() adress etc
23:03<vortek>how can ya break debian hehe
23:03<cjmrdc>simple - i get ahead of myself
23:04<cjmrdc>i, very often, forget that i'm in a root terminal
23:04<amphi>cat /dev/urandom > /proc/kcore should do the trick
23:04<cjmrdc>and have a nasty habit of putting *'s in the wrong place after an rm -rf
23:04<vortek>ive honestly been running debian sense 97 , it was my first linux distro ever, and debian it self was a little flakey then like all distros, and linux it self was a pain, but you know how I learned ? Just did stuff broke it, came in here and did what people said
23:04<vortek>to both of ya
23:05<cjmrdc>i also am spoiled in that i always have very recent hardware, which sometimes means no drivers, and more often than not means i can break something faster than i can stop myself
23:05<vortek>but i've been runing /sid/ still in dev debian sense 97 and never had a problem that couldn't be fixed, I either had to come to here and read the quick fix in the title or msg dpkg , or ran a simple strace, and would find out the .deb didn't mkdir to install the files to or something like that
23:06<vortek>cjmrdc : ahh true
23:06<cjmrdc>linux is unforgiving to people who make dumb mistakes
23:06<cjmrdc>which i still do frequently
23:07<vortek>cjmrdc : for me its the opisite new hardware means suported, but I know what ya mean, My hi end 300 dollar overclocking motherboards have issues were linux wont even boot. not even driver issues but crap with apic and apci or what ever the to are called
23:07<vortek>cjmrdc : well that how I learned mistakes hehe
23:07<cjmrdc>for example, a few months ago i was helping some friends decide on the structure for their database, and we begin filling it with their data, one morning we wake up and it's all gone, and no one claimed fault for it
23:07<vortek>I had the oriely learning linux books the bash books all of them
23:07<cjmrdc>so, we did something we should have done earlier, and started backing up the database hourly, solved right?
23:07<vortek>haha word
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23:07<cjmrdc>not a week later we wake up with both databases, and i don't mean tables, i mean databases, compeltely empty
23:07<vortek>cjmrdc : thats better then getting drunk and watching hackers and waking up logged into
23:08<cjmrdc>which is when i realized the way i'd implemented the backups, when one of my idiot friends dropped all the tables, it very calmly backed it up an hour later
23:08<vortek>no im not braging , it was stupid kiddie stuff heheh but my freinds dad worked for the gov as some nasa person and wouldnt talk of his job so i think that saved are arses
23:08<vortek>ouch ouch
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23:08<vortek>good you got the back up
23:08<cjmrdc>no, the backup deleted itself too
23:08<cjmrdc>that's what i was getting at
23:09<cjmrdc>it was a sad day in the cjmrdc camp
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23:10<cjmrdc>speaking of databases, the one i've been working on at work should be updating itself for the first time ever in 20 minutes
23:11<cjmrdc>and should finish at ~4am
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23:11<vortek>ahh crap i hate that , tpconfig works fine in console but in xfree it says you have to set shconfig some were in x lol maybe installing the xfree synaptics modules will help
23:12[~]cjmrdc <3's synaptic
23:12<cjmrdc>so vortek, you've been using debian for 10 years, what made you choose this distro?
23:13<MikkLinux>I've been using debian oh say 3 1/2 weeks
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23:13<cjmrdc>well what made you pick it as well? =P
23:14<MikkLinux>it makes ubuntu look as stable as windows me :D
23:14<vortek>cjmrdc : at the time it was the only distro with a true working package manager, and I loved dselect, and a ole network admin were i worked recomended it, and its 100 percent gnu
23:14<vortek>i mean look at every one now they all copy apt-get
23:14<vortek>slack-get etc
23:15<MikkLinux>and compiling from source is simply dumb IMHO - who has time for that? I needed package management but RPM is just not the way to go
23:15<cjmrdc>i've never tried redhat
23:15<vortek>fedora is plain a rip off, if you read up, all the hard work you contribute for patches , drivers, 15 thousand lines of code what ever, all goes into redhat enterprise and they profit from it
23:15<WorkingOnSSL>ok it appears that /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf is missing from Debian 4, so I took a copy off my other Debian 3 server and was able to make-ssl .. to complete the ssl
23:15<WorkingOnSSL>is that true it is missing?
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23:17<vortek>and I always new even in the old days when it was redhat they'd sell out eventualy just by looking at there webpage. And back then redhats package manager was a joke, even all the mailing lists would complain to redhat why installs broke the system lol, or during the insall all you could do was use the equivlant of tasksel in debian, Aka you wanted gcc, you had to install 3 gigs of dev software lol
23:17<MikkLinux>used to be on suse 9.3 pro which had depency hell, then fedora core 6+ fedora 7 in which I thought yum was good stuff till I moved to ubuntu 7.10 and saw the light of apt-get yet ubuntu started bugging out on me with certain programs.. made the move to etch + backports and have not looked back.. my linux exp. only got better and better from distro to distro
23:17<MikkLinux>and switched out apt-get for aptitude
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23:20<MikkLinux>so I like the .deb vs .rpm, a terminal package manager, gnome or fluxbox, the fact that you don't need more resources to install an OS than to run it.. these Live CD only distros that have a whole desktop enviroment by default is a bunch of crap
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23:22<MikkLinux>the only good thing about ubuntu is the default fonts so I copied the xorg.conf I got off ubuntu live and replaced my debian default xorg.conf with it.. after all better font visability is better font visability
23:23<MikkLinux>you still here vortek?
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23:25<vortek>all these front ends to tpconfig aka synaptics for touchpad for xwin say to set SHMConfig to true in xorg.conf but there is no such section in so I don't know were to but it
23:25<vortek>but i agree with what you said
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23:26<MikkLinux>nah I just took ubuntus xorg.conf and used that
23:26<MikkLinux>and it works
23:26<onelife151>hello all
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23:26<MikkLinux>fonts in the browser look like ubuntu's now
23:26<vortek>i mean i can sort of move around in x with the busted button nob on keyboard but not enough to surf or move around so im gona have to use lynx to google to find out how
23:26<vortek>can I just put SHMConfig=true in xorg.conf ?
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23:26<vortek>i never did master xorg
23:27<MikkLinux>let me take a look at my own
23:29<MikkLinux>that thing you said is not even in my own
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23:30<noboody>anybody have a copy of the original /etc/passwd for etch?
23:30<noboody>i found a user called proxy with /bin/sh as a shell and google didn't tell me anything
23:30[~]gravity blinks
23:30<gravity>Their fonts should be identical to Debina's
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23:30<gravity>Debian's even
23:31<gravity>I don't think they modified that
23:31[~]gravity goes to check
23:31<MikkLinux>it's not
23:31<gravity>They don't even write a fonts section to their xorg.conf
23:31<MikkLinux>debian has that shorter looking thing
23:31<gravity>shorter looking thing?
23:32[~]gravity goes to check what their default font path is
23:33<vortek>i mean i think its under input, but then the first section do you put option input or driver ..
23:33<gsimmons>noboody: See /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
23:33<MikkLinux>by default debian makes the fonts short and fat
23:35<gravity>That shouldn't be a xorg.conf issue.
23:35<gravity>dpi maybe though
23:36<gravity>I have no idea what they did there
23:36<gravity>But I'm pretty sure we're doing the same things for that as well, at least such that copying xorg.conf wouldn't make a difference
23:37<gravity>the only thing etch does differently from gutsy wrt fonts is that etch specifies the font paths in xorg.conf where in gutsy they've got the patch that's in testing and unstable that uses those font paths by default, so they don't write them any mor
23:37<MikkLinux>trust me.. did did
23:37<MikkLinux>it did
23:37<MikkLinux>make the different
23:37<gravity>Do you have your old xorg.conf?
23:38<gravity>I'd like to see the difference to fix it in debian
23:38<MikkLinux>I thought I did.. guess I dont
23:38<MikkLinux>there is a way to rebuild
23:38<gravity>Because honestly, I don't get it and I have no idea how that would be possible
23:38<MikkLinux>back to default right?
23:38<MikkLinux>just the xorg.conf
23:38<gravity>Sure. Save your current xorg.conf somewhere and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
23:40<gravity>MikkLinux: You should be able to just accept the defaults on all the screens
23:40<gravity>er, for all the questions
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23:42<gravity>I wonder if it was just xfs
23:42<MikkLinux>well in the ubuntu one there is no paths to fonts anywhre
23:42<gravity>Yes, but it should be the same font path
23:42<gravity>Although I don't remember if we specified using xfs
23:43<gravity>We don't any more.
23:43<MikkLinux>does Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
23:43<MikkLinux>have anything to do with it?
23:44<MikkLinux> Option "XkbRules" "xorg"?
23:44<MikkLinux> Driver "kbd"
23:44<vortek>im here on sec
23:44<gravity>MikkLinux: Could you just diff the files and put the diff in a pastebin?
23:45<MikkLinux>when I tried to rebuild it.. it just spit out a bunch of crap .. more than what I remmeber the default as
23:45<gravity>That's not possible
23:45<gravity>The xorg.conf is generated from the same script
23:46<MikkLinux>this is what my current xorg.conf looks like
23:46<MikkLinux>pulled straight from ubuntu
23:46<vortek>you got shmconfig for synaptics config
23:46<vortek>not synaptic package manager
23:46<vortek>but synapatics aka tpconfig
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23:46<vortek>in xp its ccalled synapatic drivers
23:47<vortek>but you need shmconfig set to use the front ends for some reason in xfree
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23:47<vortek>now i edited xorg.conf before by hand in the old days before we had all these nice front ends
23:47<MikkLinux>lol I still edit it by hand
23:48<vortek>word now in your config do you have shmconfig ?
23:48<MikkLinux>did you get my pastebin link?
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23:48<vortek>im in console
23:48<vortek>and cant cut and paste cause my cursor is borked cause of the button nob on keybord joystick being broke
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23:49<MikkLinux>gravity you still here?
23:49<vortek>MikkLinux : do you use any front ends to tpconfig for synaptic touchpad on laptop /
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23:50<MikkLinux>oh this is a desktop
23:50<gravity>MikkLinux: Yes
23:50<gravity>MikkLinux: I'm looking at our scirpt to generate the font path
23:51<gravity>My guess is that it's because of the font server
23:51<MikkLinux>I pasted my xorg.conf
23:51<gravity>Which we don't default to any more
23:51<gravity>MikkLinux: I saw, but I was more interested in the difference between it and etch
23:51<vortek>gsynaptics is the touch pad front end for tpconfig its a very small package mikklinux, I wonder if you can just apt-get install it and then try and run it in x and tell me if it say you need shmconfig set, ahh that may not work cause you may get a device error
23:51<gravity>So you could probably have just removed xfs or just removed the line to use it
23:52<gravity>I'd be interested to know if that's the problem
23:52<gravity>Just to make sure it's really fixed
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23:53[~]gravity does not want to go near the font server
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23:55<vortek>MikkLinux: under input under mice its to confusing cause the first field has, input, driver, or option, the second field, configure mouse, mouse, core pointer, device , protocol, "let alone other options needed for touchpad, dev/input/mice/ or ImPS/2, So with all them options how can I figure out what format or how to put SHMConfig in xorg.conf lol ?
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23:56<MikkLinux>I have no idea
23:57<MikkLinux>cause I've never used SHMConfig
23:57<vortek>maybe I can google for a solution, but I don't even know what the official name for that little pencil erasor looking thing on laptops is called, its between the g an h keys, any ideas
23:57<vortek>me nither hehehe, all I know is all the front end tools in X require it to be set
23:58<vortek>doh! I could just google for SHMConfig
23:59<MikkLinux>track pad or track point
23:59<MikkLinux>is what they are called
23:59<vortek>ahh thanxs!
23:59<cjmrdc>or keyboard clit
23:59<dwu>"nipple", duh.
23:59<vortek>man the one thing I hate about lynx is having to go threw 12 links just to get to the search field
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