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00:00<MikkLinux>somtimes called a pointing stick
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00:01<vortek>and im still in trouble technicaly, cause the man page says nothing about setting this at all, it lets you configure touchpad gestures to scroll and surf back and fowards and such just like the windows synaptics driver gui, but no real option for the track point. But im hoping the front ends to it may show something i missed.
00:02<vortek>ahh good ole gentoo , always a solution for odd linux problems on gentoo pages lol.
00:02<indraveni>hi all
00:02<indraveni>I have downloaded the debian repo for i386 architectur of lenny
00:02<indraveni>using debmirror command
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00:03<indraveni>and now if i want to downlaod the amd64 architecture also, then can I repeat the command with -a 1386,amd64 option on the same folder
00:03<indraveni>will it remove the prev downloaded content or overwrite the contnt
00:04<vortek>would a dist-upgrade be a better option for him guys/gals ?
00:04<vortek>hrm i found the info i need for shmconfig :) to bad i cant cut and paste, well maybe with nano or pico by hand i can
00:04<indraveni>i am downloading a repo for my local mirror
00:05<vortek>oh thats not my expertise sorry, some else in here can help im sure
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00:16<vortek>welp got my SHMConfig set to true in xorg.conf, I didn't get lucky, just like i thought I didn't miss nothing in the man page it doesn't allow you to turn off the pointing stick, I was hoping a front end to tpconfig for the touchpad on laptops would show something i missed hehe
00:16<vortek>back to google
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00:26<vortek>hrm i wonder if he was realy from .jp japan or on a proxie hence the nick test =/ hehe
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00:31<vortek>hrm apt-cache search www | console or browser | console doesn't even show lynx lol
00:31<dwu>| console?
00:31<dwu>I hope it was | grep console.
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00:32<vortek>but apt-cache search gives me elinks and links2
00:32<vortek>yeah it was sory a type
00:32<vortek>er typo
00:32<vortek>technicaly grep console should of atleast showed me lynxs
00:32<dwu>apt-cache search www | grep console doesn't show me elinks or links2. search browser | grep console shows me even less.
00:33<vortek>and its odd that apt-cache search lynx shows me other console based browsers lol but maybe thats the way the debian people wanted it, sort of an ai for apt
00:33<vortek>yeah strange isn't it
00:33<dwu>Presumably, WWW ne www.
00:34<dwu>Anyways, lynx is described as Text-mode WWW Browser.
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00:34<dwu>meh, whatevs. lynx bites.
00:34<vortek>like tpconfig is the the linux version of synaptics driver for touch pads for laptops, but apt-cache search tpconfig just gives you tpconfig, apt-get install synaptics sayins install tpconfig , but apt-cache search synaptics gives you all the tpconfig tools lols
00:35<vortek>ahh i didn't know apt was case sensitive
00:35<vortek>ahh well i go back to dselect mwahaha
00:35<dwu>Actually, no.
00:35<dwu>I don't think it's because of the case-sensitive.
00:35<vortek>nah your right i tried
00:36[~]dwu shrugs.
00:36<dwu>dselect? Oh, gods. Talk abotu going -back- in time.
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00:37<vortek>but you'd think apt-cache search www | console would give you atleast one result , vs apt-cache search lynx wich gives you links , links2 , elinks and elinks2 for console www, but theres one that I can't find still, welll years ago it was famous for replaces lynxs
00:37<vortek>yeah heheh
00:37<vortek>i loved dselect and still use it during base installs on slow , VERY slow machines I pull out the closet with low hdd space
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00:38<noboody>there something that replaced dselect? i've been using that from the prompt
00:39<vortek>cause then i can tell the install not to use taskell so it don't install the bloated system, like say i select dev i dont get 2 gigs of dev tools, it only installs base, but with dselect I can visualy see all the packages that it installs and remove the non essentials from the base intall like the huge dictionary, and tons of other garbage, especialy when i was on dialup.
00:39<vortek>noboody: synaptic maybe ?
00:39<noboody>yeah i seen that one, just remember somebody pointing me to an aptitude command and it turns out that's one too
00:39<dwu>*shrug* If you only ever ever use the console for everything, I suppose dselect will work fine.
00:40[~]dwu just apt-gets, really.
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00:42<vortek>dwu: I just like all its advanced commands, and how you can visualy see every package being installed, upgraded, in a managable way, and when you learn the hot keys, its so fast and manage, i don't even think apptitude or synaptic are that advanced.
00:43<dwu>*shrug* I read apt-get output.
00:43<vortek>I mean its fast when you learn the keys
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00:45<vortek>dwu: me too but when your doing a new install and it's installing 300 packages or so, and you want an easy way to simply remove the packages you don't want installed that you know are not essential, dselect puts them right there in front of ya with a front end, hit / to search and i beleive its - to remove, and if it has package depends it shows you them, were as apt just simply wont install, with deselect you can choose alternates, lik
00:46<vortek>package you want to install but if you select another lib and another package to meet the depends on the other package you can work your way around
00:46<dwu>vortek: I don't really care. Please stop evangelising to me.
00:46<vortek>thats why i like it
00:46<vortek>Send me your money!
00:46<vortek>does the tv preacher thing and waves his sport coat "hrm dselect manual printed" at the whole crowd and watches them pass out hehe
00:47<dwu>Only if you promise you'll learn to type and use English correctly. Which seems bloody unlikely.
00:47<vortek>why are you so mean and harsh , cheer up
00:47<vortek>besides I got 3 lesions in my brain, I think im doing pretty good for the fact I'm even alive and talking and or typing :D
00:48<dwu>vortek: I'd think you were doing pretty well if you tried harder. Type slower or whatever.
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00:49<vortek>i've tried trust me. Now some times If I type realy realy slow like and old man who never saw a type writer i can improve 10 percent hehe
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00:49<dwu>Yeah, so -do that-.
00:50<vortek>but I still get words like realy and basicly wrong and such. It's the lesions, I used to have a hi IQ and reading comprhension of a post grad in 8th grade, and was in liberal arts , english the works, but with you got 3 lesions in your brain, things kind go amuck
00:50<dwu>It's also no excuse to use "lol".
00:50<vortek>i should be glad im even alive or speaking.
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00:50<vortek>the specialist and docs say im actualy doing pretty damned good for my condition
00:50<dwu>So you're alive, therefore you don't want to try to get back into typing full, proper sentences, with apostrophes where they belong?
00:51<dwu>So "good enough" is good enough for you. Eh, OK.
00:51<vortek>my brain cant comphrehend
00:51<vortek>lesions in the brain cut off certian neurotransmitters and circuts so to speak
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00:51<dwu>Except that you apparently -are- able to use apostrophes.
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00:52<vortek>sort of like when you got that disease were you type stuff backwords
00:52<vortek>nothings exact with this sort of stuff
00:52<vortek>now with normal words I usualy do good
00:52<dwu>"do well".
00:52<Supaplex>dwu: now I get why people claim debian folks are elitest asshats. thanks... I think.
00:52<dwu>Supaplex: Heh.
00:53<vortek>but when it comes to words , like i said like basicly and such my brain screws up no matter how much the spell checker corrects me, but i gues thats why god invented xchat with spell checking hehe
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00:53<vortek>anyways enough about me
00:53<vortek>er i mean to say word like "basicly"
00:53<Supaplex>vortek: just try to do the best you can :) I don't think anyone can expect more.
00:54<dwu>Supaplex: I'm still giggling over the use of "elitest" there. I understand you meant that as an insult, but *giggle*
00:54<Supaplex>if they do, they're a different kind of 'f***ed up in the head' :)
00:54<Supaplex>dwu: if you have to ask...
00:54[~]dwu laughs.
00:55<dwu>Oh, the sweet irony.
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00:55<Supaplex>do you really want an explination?
00:55<vortek>whats realy hard is studieng theology and breaking it down to the greek and or hebrew context when you can't hardy speel worth a donkey hehe. lol but in hebrew context you get a deeper meaning, and versus that people say contradict them selves realy don't if you go back to the roots lol.
00:56<Supaplex>we're totally in the offtopic area anyway.
00:56<dwu>Supaplex: Maybe you want to look up "elitest" before trying to apply it an an insult instead of acting superior about it :)
00:56<vortek>last stereo type I saw of debian people was, a dude wearing stylish coffie shop glasses a well trimmed go-tee and considerd a typical coffie shop know it all
00:57<vortek>dwu maybe he meet 3l337 ubeer hax0r
00:57<dwu>Eh, OK.
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00:58<Supaplex>dwu: you are expecting him to live to a standard he obviously has great difficultiy with. It's similar to saying RTFM to any noob w/o regarding their level of skill.
00:58<vortek>dam elinks and elinks2 , links links2 all have the same exact interface wtf
00:58<vortek>man some people just like to hate online
00:58<vortek>atleast he wasn't trolling
00:59<Supaplex>so /parting for the win? that's a way to show you backup what you say.
00:59<Supaplex>vortek: but you're right, as far as trolls go, don't feed them. I should have not bothered to begin with.
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01:01<vortek>i just hate spelling nazi's
01:01<vortek>i mean i don't mean to use my disease as a crutch, but for crying out loud I got 3 lesions in my brian, what else can you expect lol
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01:02<Supaplex>1st place in the international spellingbee contest ;)
01:02<vortek>i like u :)
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01:10<vortek>man theres nothing like the nostalgic neon colors of bitchx irc cleint on a pure black console :)
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01:11<vortek>I remember in the early 2k's when bitchx war scripts for lame kiddies were around...
01:11<Supaplex>there's always ...
01:11<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
01:12<vortek>they actualy had this elite sctript that would literly fade your channel name from a bright neon color to a dark neon color, or animate the name, like make debian, the d would would change from the dark color to the light then the e the b and so on, now that was elite.
01:13<vortek>yeah irsssi is nice, and way more secure but it doesn have like 200 pages of functions and help commands to it. and I like the defualt key layout of bitchx, it just makes sense, although I could change the key layout of irssi, and get color themes
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01:13<Supaplex>baby duck syndrome :)
01:13<vortek>but imagine that animated neon color stuff it was elite, i think it was crackrock.bx
01:13<vortek>hehe yeah
01:14<vortek>also i love the window function in bx
01:14<vortek>were you manage like 8 active chats in diferent windows
01:14<vortek>does irssi have something like that ?
01:14<Supaplex>irssi by default keeps each channel in its own window
01:14<vortek>like you hit al2 and get a whole blank screen with another chatroom in it
01:15<vortek>so you just hit like alt 2 to switch or what ever ?
01:15<vortek>does it support full ansi and eval statements to make animated blinkies heheh
01:16<Supaplex>yup. ^N ^P, or esc,num or alt+num or /window ##
01:16<Supaplex>you can do color + flashing etc
01:17<vortek>man i hate google for one thing.
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01:18<vortek>you know how when you find a link on the main search page, and it has all the keywords your looking for? But it sends you to the main webpage, like instead of the actual article, i hate that. Why don't they fix that
01:20<vortek>hrm for some reason every google search for shutting off track pad debian, shows shutting system down lol
01:21<vortek>Supaplex : btw nice isp host name , almost sounds like a virtual host,, I bet some oldskewl hackers started it out, like not kiddies but like people who learn etc
01:22<Supaplex>vortek: pretty much.
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01:25<vortek>ahh word
01:26<vortek>i remember one time, at one of the biggest isps, in chicago, I mean there server room was buetifull, they made it a work of art, about 30 yards of solid hi tech looking glass , out of a future movie, with allthe racks perfectly wired the works, any ways we had a private efnet port 31337 for eleet lol
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01:28<vortek>so we never got lag , always got on efnet, and at the time all them old skewl doses were out, were you could basicly sneeze at a windows machine and crash it, like urg tcp flags ot tcp rst flags or a stream of packets with random flags, or the ole winuke or even the famous linux newtear that droped even linux, so you had to be on a hidden port. Let alone the icmp irc dosses
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01:28<GradeFPoultry>Hey all
01:28<GradeFPoultry>Debian is giving me no sound
01:28<vortek>thwas pathetic though back in the day when you could drop a whole irc server from a dial up or atleast its user
01:29<vortek>GradeFPoultry : you got proper perms to /dev/dsp ?
01:29<vortek>i know that used to be a common problem but they may of fixed that now
01:29<vortek>GradeFPoultry : type lspci let me know if your sound device shows up
01:29<dpkg>i guess alsa is or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
01:29<cahoot>GradeFPoultry: debianversion? type of soundcard?
01:30<GradeFPoultry>cahoot: I have onboard sound.
01:30<cahoot>GradeFPoultry: using snd-hda-intel?
01:30<vortek>hey whats that other command like lspci ?
01:31<vortek>it does the same thing but for other types of devices
01:31<vortek>never mind
01:31<vortek>i used bash complete to find out
01:31<cahoot>GradeFPoultry: cat /proc/asound/modules to see what module alsa uses
01:32<GradeFPoultry>Output is 1 snd_mpu401
01:32<cahoot>that's all?
01:32<cahoot>no wonder
01:32<cahoot>try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
01:32<GradeFPoultry>My debian is amd64/netinstall/stable
01:33<GradeFPoultry>Command not found.
01:33<cahoot>as root
01:33<Supaplex>as root?
01:33<GradeFPoultry>Ah, my bad.
01:34<GradeFPoultry>Linux sound base is not installed.
01:34<vortek>i love linux , had 64bit before windows could dream of it, allthough I must say xp64bit is bery stable and based on the 2003 kernel or atleast a kernel better then xp and even my soundblaster gamer extreme card had 64bit drivers.
01:34<vortek>ahh there ya go :)
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01:35<Supaplex>vortek: and quite litteraly overnight all 32bit linux drivers had 64bit support to. (minus a few bugfixes I suppose)
01:35<vortek>but no matter how ya look at it even vista is still based on the nt kernel, vista is just the winme version of xp, and linux can do just about every thing vista can, on half the resources.
01:35<vortek>Supaplex : nice
01:36<vortek>i mean linux had 3d title bars, tranperency the works before vista was even out, and that damned right hand tool bar vista stole from linux #@$# but the true alpha blending stuff for linux... that I speak off
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01:37<vortek>was from many years ago and not a popular package but i remember seing a demo of 5 dvd movies running all transperent to each other all running live.
01:37<vortek>and this was like 5 years ago
01:38<vortek>but windows will always be bloated even with the new windows 7 wich will be a total kernel rewrite and feature features of opensource and linux stuff, and a micro compressed kernel.
01:38<vortek>bah ill shut up now about windows bashing
01:39<vortek>whats a good way to get detialed info about a package other then dselect ? I wanna find out why links/links2 and elinks/elink have identical interfaces.
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01:40<GradeFPoultry>Type man before the application?
01:41<vortek>well that sort of helps
01:42<GradeFPoultry>Wow o_O
01:42<vortek>ahh just went to ole dselect hehe it gave me a paragrapth description of elinks and said its an enhanced version of links browser with color support and support for or scriptig languages and such, plain , simple and to the point.
01:43<GradeFPoultry>It has been hell trying to get Linux up with an AMD64 processor.
01:43<vortek>the man page just showed all its features but did not tell me elinks was based on links, but the man page did have WAY more detial like you sugested.
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01:44<GradeFPoultry>I'm surprised I actually contributed something o_O
01:44<vortek>GradeFPoultry : only problem I realy had with my dual core overclocked amd , was with some multimedia stuff, wich has work arounds now, you should be ok.
01:44<vortek>GradeFPoultry heheh
01:44<GradeFPoultry>I know virtually nothing about Linux.
01:44<vortek>are you running pure amd64 debian or that native bsd style crap ?
01:45<linux4711>hi, i search a german ubuntu irc channel.i am new
01:45<vortek>im still a bit confused about the dif between pure debian amd64 and the normal one or the bsd mode one were you run 32 bit but can run 64bit apps in it.
01:46<GradeFPoultry>I'm really not sure
01:46<GradeFPoultry>My friend has been walking me through the process.
01:46<vortek>man to many people in here hard to use nick completions
01:46<GradeFPoultry>I used the amd64 distro from the website.
01:46<GradeFPoultry>But i've just had error after error after error.
01:46<vortek>i mis the ole apt bot I think it was that talked to you
01:47<linux4711>ok,thank you for nothing! i found it
01:47<vortek>GradeFPoultry : strange, you using one of them cheap tigerdirect motherboards that doesn't even have its own brandname ?
01:47<vortek>linux4711 what was the prob ?
01:47<GradeFPoultry>My motherboard's an Asus.
01:48<GradeFPoultry>Although I think it is from tigerdirect o_o
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01:52<vortek>well they got these cheap boards so cheap there not even generic! lol you can't even find them on the web for bios updates, see these companies pay like asus or some other company to make them a dirt cheap board basicly. and they got model numbers like asus-a8n-pv were as the real board is asus-a8n, so some times you can use the mother board, hehe get it mother ship lol for updates but read some forums to be sure
01:52<vortek>but some times a bios update helps
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01:53<vortek>man i have to adjust the freakin resolution for console, my bitch screen bottom is like 4 inches from the bottom of the screen and 4 inches from top and left and right lol
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01:54<vortek>I wish they made a simple program to adjust framebufers or just plaine resolution for console, but when ever i select
01:54<vortek>the preset settings there either to big or small
01:54<GradeFPoultry>Should I install debian i386 instead of debian amd64?
01:54<GradeFPoultry>I had some resolution problems when I was first setting up Debian.
01:55<vortek>well just install the normal version and select the debian precompiled kernel for your chip
01:56<vortek>aka select the amd64 kernel and install it
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01:56<vortek>and if you got dual core select smp i think it is
01:56<vortek>man ntop is buggy as heck in sid
01:56<vortek>said it couldn't create directories the works lol
01:56<GradeFPoultry>I'm going to try to get windows XP reinstalled...
01:56[~]vortek tries to finda tool like top but more user freind
01:56<vortek>just install i386
01:57<GradeFPoultry>I will.
01:57<vortek>what cpu you got ?
01:57<vortek>make model
01:57<GradeFPoultry>Home brew.
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01:59<vortek>i was gona tell em what kernel to install
02:00<vortek>any one know a good program other then ntop to see whats going on in your home network, were all using a linksys router, so it's probaly useless, cuase home routers seem to isolate all local net traffic making it near impossible to sniff, but I'm sure maybe some firewalking would work
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02:01<vortek>heh debian don't have firewalker, im shocked lol, debian has more packages then bsd even
02:03<vortek>sorry im just going loony ive been with out debian / linux for almost a half of year, in xp i just sit there and go aduh.. now i actual got fun stuff to do.
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02:03<vortek>first things first to get resolution in console fixed, then trackpoing or keyboard clit turned off, and the only real tool, tpconfig the generic xp version for linux notebooks don't support it.
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02:11<vortek>MikkLinux : you know of a program more user freindly then top ? or a program simaler to ntop also ? something that'd let me view all the local traffic on my lan? well technicaly this may be impossible sense were using a typical home router like a netgear, they tend to isolate all local traffic from other users, but im sure firewalker or soemthing could get by
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02:15<MikkLinux>I"m not exactly sure what you are looking for but I do use wireshark
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02:16<basava>is there any reason i need vino-seesion or ssh-agent running? how do i stop it from loading?
02:16<MikkLinux>aptitude install wireshark
02:16<dpkg>network protocol analyzer formerly known as ethereal -
02:18<MikkLinux>I've never even heard/bothered with ntop
02:18<MikkLinux>I'ma check it out some
02:18<MikkLinux>but I know know that wireshark is one powerful son of gun
02:18<vortek>ahh crap elinks or links wont work no more, i type in but when ever I go to type in any thing in the search field it brings up a menu lol
02:18<vortek>cool im checking it out now
02:19<vortek>yeah ntop has to many issues in /sid/ lol it was given issues like no such file or directory and all sorts of crap lol
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02:20<vortek>besides i dont think i can sniff my local lan any ways, these local routers, like linksys and netgear are actualy pretty good, they isolate all net traffic from every one else. but maybe wireshark can help
02:20<vortek>ahh crap its gtk
02:20<basava>if a tree falls in a forrest and no one is around to see it, does it make a sight?
02:21<MikkLinux>oh well I just go to the menu option of capture > device on eth0
02:22<vortek>i still have to get my keyboard broken nibble / trackpointer turned off, and tpconfig the only tool to replace the xp drivers for laptops pointing devices doesn't support em. maybe i can edit xorg.conf
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02:22<vortek>cool ill check it out when i get this darned keyboard nibble turned off
02:22<MikkLinux>as far as getting messages directly from the router
02:23<MikkLinux>that is what you wish to do right?
02:23<vortek>right now I have to figure how to get this laptops console resolution changed, im on a stock debian kernel, but like bitchx is 4 inches on all side from the screen. lol ok we deal with that next
02:23<vortek>MikkLinux , basicaly yeah
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02:24<MikkLinux>you can force the resolution
02:24<dli>vortek, it's an option in BIOS, like "video expansion"
02:24<MikkLinux>by putting in only one resolution in the xorg.conf
02:24<dli>vortek, or, you can try framebuffer
02:24<vortek>im talking console
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02:24<dli>!tell vortek about framebuffer
02:25<vortek>well im using the stock debian kernel, so what ever that supports and what ever is the easiest.
02:25<MikkLinux>what router do you have?
02:25<dli>vortek, go to your bios, and enable "video expansion"
02:25<vortek>i know what framebuffer is, even compiled it in but when i select at boot time , the screen was never right, but that was in past
02:25<dli>vortek, or similar names
02:25<vortek>dli in my computer bios ?
02:26<vortek>its a laptop it doesn't even come close to them options
02:26<dli>vortek, yes, so it can draw the whole screen as 640x480
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02:27<MikkLinux>vortek.. on windows I used a program called 'wallwatcher' which when configured correctly pulled the logs straight from the router itself
02:27<MikkLinux>and I think there is a linux script to help make it work in linux
02:28<vortek>MikkLinux cool, yeah my router only loogs out going webpages, and doesn't even do it well, only shows like every few and only the main site
02:29<MikkLinux>what router do you have?
02:29<vortek>but i worry bout the local lan later
02:29<vortek>hrm i cant remember and i cant navigate in x cause of my trackpoint being busted, to loginto it
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02:30<vortek> is the ip and the defualt pass is admin for user id then nothing for password, I forgot wich routers those are
02:30<MikkLinux>can't you just plug a mouse into the back?
02:30<MikkLinux>of the laptop?
02:30<MikkLinux>that sounds kinda like a lynksys
02:30<MikkLinux>is it blue and black?
02:30<vortek>MikkLinux, no room, I do this from my bed, im bed rest ordered 23 hours a day
02:30<vortek>i don't know never seen it, landlord has it in there room
02:31<vortek>but let me tell ya an electric hospital bed is awersome for sitting in bed on laptop cuase you can raise the back and get back support :))
02:31<MikkLinux>why are you in a bed most of the time?
02:32<vortek>heh this hwinfo is giving me resolutions this laptop would never display lol
02:32<vortek>I got bed soars
02:32<vortek>they have to heal
02:32<vortek>if i get in me wheel chair it puts to much preassure on them from sitting up
02:32<vortek>thats how i got them from sitting at my cop 8 hours a day
02:32<vortek>er cop/comp
02:33<MikkLinux>you got bed sores from sitting at the computer 8 hours a day?
02:33<MikkLinux>and was ordered to bed rest?
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02:33<vortek>ahh ok i ran hwinfo and it gave me right output this time
02:33<vortek>thats cause I got preassure soars cause of it
02:34<vortek>see normal people adjust them selves when there but gets numb or they start to feel extensive pain, but I'm mostly numb from waist down
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02:34<vortek>so I don't know when to naturualy adjust my but or switch positions in the chair.
02:35<MikkLinux>oh jeeze.. configuring debian is the least of your problems I dare say - son put down the laptop and when you are an fully healed take up a hobby such as um skydiving :D
02:35<vortek>and plust im paralyzed from waste down so its hard for me to even adjust. Let alone my auto immune disease, it subjects me to bed soars.
02:35<vortek>hahha word
02:35<vortek>well atleast debian gives me something to do
02:36<vortek>now is there any other options besides the slow frame console frame buffer to change console resolution ?
02:36<MikkLinux>i've no idea
02:36<MikkLinux>I've not much experience with where dosbuntu came from
02:36<daffytheduck>have u tried kernel compile options
02:36<daffytheduck>for the frame buffer
02:36<SpeedyG>vortek: as a help, you could install one of those very anoying anti-rsi software packages.. it'll tell you to 'rest' every x minutes, so instead of resting, you resit yourself ;)
02:37<MikkLinux>dosbuntu = another name for the latest version of debian in console mode because something was broken
02:37<vortek>SpeedyG : true
02:38<vortek>daffytheduck : i havent put a custom kernel on here yet, butt im using the debian stock kernel, so every thing i could possible need for this stuff should be a module
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02:39<daffytheduck>normally i think the frame buffer isnt compiled as module
02:39<daffytheduck>its just compiled straight in
02:39<MikkLinux>my only regret is that I could not be there when debian was but a glimmer in some programmers eye
02:40<vortek>brb im just gona try ole generic vga extended mode
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02:41<daffytheduck>if u check the config options in the kernel u can enabe the penguin logo in the same section
02:42<MikkLinux>well i'ma sleep now
02:42<MikkLinux>if not but for 1.25 hours
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02:43<JYL57>Hello debian world !
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02:46<vortek>that was strange
02:46<vortek>i told lilo to use vga=extended and every thing was still smaller then my screen but very bright bold text, but then during the boot up some script put it back to clear readible text lol
02:47<vortek>and the hwinfo -framebuffer trick only works with grub i gues, cause dpkg gives grub example not lilo
02:47<vortek>and says fbcon is slow
02:47<vortek>there has to be way to do this with out a lagy method
02:48<vortek>1024X768 is all the notbook can do
02:50<vortek>ahh i figured it out
02:50<vortek>vga=792 h0h0
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02:56<lee_>has anyone managed to get XP and debian 4.0 networked? as in, file and printer sharing
02:56<lee_>all the helpsites in the world apparently can't help me :(
02:56<dli>lee_, read samba howto
02:56<sep>lee_, filesharing = samba, windows can print on cups printers on linux either thru ipp (cups) or samba
02:56<dli>!tell lee_ about samba
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02:57<lee_>I've been reading about Samba all day :P all I've managed to do is get an error about duplicate names :/
02:57<dli>!tell lee about ask
02:58<vortek>lee_ : theres a great program for KDE that makes sambe very easy to configure with a GUI "graphics user interface"
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03:06<vortek>lee_: apt-get install kdenetwork-filesharing, or dpsyco-samba or komba2 for browsing
03:06<vortek>those tools will make it a synch to install
03:07<vortek>ok im gona reboot see if this vga=792 helps
03:07<lee_>I think I just found one, ksamba. just having to get some kde packages for it
03:07<lee_>soon as synaptic finishes up, I'll try to install it and see how it works out
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03:10<vortek>woop got my screen at full resolution
03:11<vortek>now I got all this negative space, maybe i'm just used to the shrunk screen, if not I'll play with otherr resolutiions and bigger fonts latter
03:11<vortek>ok now to solve my main problems
03:12<vortek>i noticed during the boot up and shutdown, the trackpoint aka laptop keyboard navigation nipple was loaded
03:13<vortek>So one would think this is a simple start up script right ?
03:17<vortek>hrm now how to turn it off
03:17<vortek>goes to /etc/init.d/
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03:19<vortek>any idea were i go
03:19<vortek>cause tpconfig has nothing to do with it
03:20<vortek>nor does gpm
03:24<gpm>yes i do!
03:24<Supaplex>!blame gpm
03:24[~]dpkg blames lionel and gpm for the end of the Internet as we know it
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03:32<vortek>just says "current timestamp" Guardian Kernel: IBM trackpoint firmware: 0x0b, buttons 2/3 then next line "current timestamp" Guardian Kernel: input: TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint as /class/input/input3 ,, thats what I get from /var/log/messages
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03:32<vortek>so that to me looks likes its built intothe kernel ?
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03:33<vortek>I don't see why debian would build a laptop touchpad in there kernel instead of making it a module
03:33<vortek>any idea how to disable this ?
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03:33<vortek>even changing the perms on the /dev device just to test it ?
03:33<kmap>Could someone tell me a nice apt-gettable English dictionary?
03:34<kmap>I am unable to figure out whichj one is a good choice from apt-cache search dictionary...
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03:34<dli>kmap, wordnet2
03:34<kmap>dli: Thanks!
03:34[~]kmap goes off checking wordnet
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03:37<lee_>I can't seem to win tonight... found SWAT, went to install it only to get an error about a libc6 dependency... reinstalled libc6, still no go :/
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03:38<JYL57>Hello, I'm having serious problem here : "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" and the system do not boot...
03:39<JYL57>Reading my screen I can see /dev/ide/host2/bus1/target0/lun0:unknown partition table
03:39<Supaplex>JYL57: when is the last time it booted ok?
03:39<sep>lee_, samba is not _that_ hard. just find one debian oriented howto and follow that. dont try to follow all of them at the same time.
03:40<JYL57>Supaplex : sunday I suppose
03:40<JYL57>In fact we had a power failure sunday evening
03:40<sep>and if you get a dependency problem you have probably fubar'd your sources list. so start on the basics and set apr right first
03:41<JYL57>I booted and had to logg as root to use fsck
03:42<JYL57>But it didn't worked as the other last times and now I can't boot at all... I'm suspecting it's linked to my sata disks...
03:43<JYL57>I can stop the boot process and go for grub but don't know what to do then...
03:44<JYL57>Is there any usefull utility program that would allow me to check my partitions and save the only thing I've to save from this box ?
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03:45<Supaplex>JYL57: it might be fixable. grub uses tab for command line completion. Have you used tab in bash before?
03:46<JYL57>Supaplex: Yes I already used the tab completion in bash, is it what you mean ?
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03:47<JYL57>In fact, yesterday evening I read something about changing the command line... have to remind me where.
03:48<JYL57>Ok, I've stopped the booting process (with "e") and now I'm reading GNU GRUB version 0.95 with 5 lines...
03:49<Supaplex>sorry, I'm multitasking. :P
03:49<Supaplex>you can tab complete on root= to find out what partitions are there
03:49<JYL57>root (hd0,0) is the first line
03:49<Supaplex>if grub sees them, the kernel should to
03:49<Supaplex>root (hd[tab][tab]
03:50<Supaplex>you'll have to drop into 'c' aka commandline mode
03:50<JYL57>ok Supaplex, two possible disks are: hd0 hd1
03:51<Supaplex>and you're sure it's hd0?
03:51<JYL57>It doesn't cost much to check with hd1 no ?!
03:52<JYL57>But for me it should be hd0...
03:52<JYL57>What do you think, do I give it a try with hd1 instead ?
03:53<Supaplex>well, after you choose root=, you can use tab completion to get hints about files on the filesystem
03:53<Supaplex>eg, use kernel=/[tab] just to probe
03:54<Supaplex>I think you can cat, with a 'more' like pager (very simplistic)
03:54<Supaplex>eg, like cat (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst
03:54<Supaplex>or cat (hd0,0)/etc/passwd
03:54<JYL57>i typed the kernel with tab and got many possible files
03:55<Supaplex>does it look like the root directory? try catting /etc/fstab
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03:56<JYL57>yes it looks like the root directory
03:56<Supaplex>and that's (hd0,0) right?
03:57<JYL57>Was unable to pass my cat command though...
03:57<JYL57>Yes it's (hd0,0) !
03:57<Supaplex>so your kernel line should say root=/dev/[hs]da1 (grub uses bios offset drives, 0 = first bios drive)
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03:58<Supaplex>you might be able to hit esc on the commandline, and get back to the menu (or just reboot, and interrupt)
03:58<Supaplex>cew: do you have a debian question?
03:58<JYL57>yes indeed, but sorry I'm slow because fighting with keyboards layout to find my keys...
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04:00<JYL57>I'm french and obviously my azerty keyboard is gone...
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04:01<JYL57>Ok, I see my kernel line now which says : "kernel /boo/vmlinuz-2.4.26-1-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro"
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04:02<Supaplex>ahh, change hde1 to hda1
04:02<JYL57> "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26-1-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro", sorry
04:02<Supaplex>same diff
04:02<JYL57>Ok, will try that
04:02<Supaplex>so this must be a sarge box?
04:03<JYL57>Yes you're right, I upgraded to etch on another one but not this one ! ;-)
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04:03<JYL57>Ok, I try a new boot now
04:05<JYL57>Ok, it changed a little (hoping for best !) and now I can see "pivot_root: No such file or directory"
04:05<Supaplex>you'll want to add 's' for single user mode. 10 to 1 your fstab is in need of fixing up to
04:05<Supaplex>hummm either single user mode, or init=/bin/bash
04:06<JYL57>How do I add this 's' for single user mode ?
04:06<Supaplex>'e' to edit, then add a space and s to the end of the kernel line
04:06<JYL57>Ok, thanks I'm trying that immediately
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04:08<JYL57>single user mode didn't helped much, will try second solution : init=/bin/bash
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04:11<JYL57>Supaplex : Where do I have to add or change this "init=/bin/bash" option ? I can read on the line below "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.26-1-386"
04:11<Supaplex>at the end of the kernel line
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04:14<JYL57>Well it dosn't work either... the Partition check isn't good...
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04:14<vortek>ehlo :)
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04:14<SpeedyG>error, ehlo command needs hostname!
04:15<Supaplex>JYL57: ok, try init=/sbin/fdisk /dev/hda ?
04:15<Supaplex>!ehlo vortek
04:15<Supaplex>poor bot... :P
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04:15<SpeedyG>hm, Supaplex, i've seen you before somewhere isnt it?
04:16<Supaplex>SpeedyG: quite possibly yes.
04:16<vortek>can some one please help me disable my trackpoint on my laptop, its the little nibble joystick on the keyboard and its busted and wont let me use gpm or xwindows, ican see it loading the firmware after the touchpad drivers get loaded in /var/log/messages and in kernel boot up. Please?? I've been at it for hours, read man pages, google the works.
04:16<SpeedyG>you had that customer channel innit?
04:17<vortek>it looks like a script loads it but i cant find it, I even tried modified xorg.conf
04:17<Supaplex>SpeedyG: oh, #daxal?
04:17<SpeedyG>YEAH! :D
04:17<SpeedyG>now I'm sure it was you! :D
04:17<nowhereman>vortek: use modprobe -r to remove the module from the kernl
04:18<nowhereman>and blacklist it so that it won't be loaded automatically
04:18<JYL57>Supaplex : didn't boot...
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04:19<vortek>i cant find the mod
04:19<vortek>but letme check again
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04:20<JYL57>Supaplex, reading the screen I came on "hdg : attached ide-disk driver." On my Dell box two disks are used in mirror mode I think... could it help us ?!
04:20<Supaplex>JYL57: have an install cd handy?
04:20<Supaplex>!tell JYL57 -about rescue
04:20<vortek>nowhereman: says trackpoint module not found, how do I find the module? usualy I have no problem finding modules :)
04:21<JYL57>Have Sarge install CD yes, and etch too, which one to use ?!
04:22<[gloom]>hi there. Any guide out there to dualboot with vista using lilo??
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04:22<Supaplex>let's use sarge on the sarge system until it warrants using etch.
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04:22<[gloom]>i can't find one...
04:22<Supaplex>[gloom]: lilo? no, but maybe instead
04:22<nowhereman>vortek: what did you do and what did it respond?
04:22<JYL57>Ok, give me 5 minutes to locate it ! :-)
04:23<vortek>nowwhereman: thanxs bro
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04:25<vortek>nowhereman: oh its just busted
04:25<[gloom]>Supaplex: nope, I have idebian already installed from the etch cd, without the gui. Now I need to setup lilo to make a tri-boot xp, vista, and debian, but every guide uses the grub. Do you know if lilo is able to boot vista?
04:26<JYL57>Supaplex I found my Sarge CD 1. I put it in my bow and now what to do next ?
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04:26<Supaplex>[gloom]: I do not recall (esp at this hour at 2:30am).
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04:26<vortek>nowhereman: it always moves on its own up or down or left or right it has a mind of its own, and if i remove the nipple cover no difference, now in winxp with synaptics I can just disable the trackpoint driver and it all works fine, so i know its not the touchpad
04:26<Supaplex>JYL57: read the last msg dpkg said about rescue
04:26<[gloom]>hehehe, ok. Here is some normal hours. sorry
04:26<[gloom]>thx anyway
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04:27<JYL57>"read the last msg dpkg said about rescue" how to do that ?!
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04:28<dpkg>somebody said rescue was at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
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04:28<Supaplex>JYL57: or /msg dpkg rescue (for future reference)
04:28<JYL57> /msg dpkg rescue
04:29<Supaplex>try again :P - not a literal in here, but a command in your irc client
04:30<vortek>nowhereman: I think debian built this stupid driver into the kernel hence why icant find the module, cause theres nothing even close trackpoint or mouse loaded now.
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04:39<vortek>ahh bugger im gona have to make a custom kernel , why in the world would debian let some one build a laptop keyboard nipple driver into the kernel.
04:40<nowhereman>vortek: definitely not built in the kernel
04:40<vortek>heh 110 megs and 51 pacakges just to go from a .21 to 1 .22 debian kernel heehe
04:40<vortek>nowhereman: weres it at I cant find it :(
04:40<vortek>i rm'd every single module possible
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04:41<nowhereman>nothing like mouse? I've got a psmouse module on a stock debian kernel
04:41<vortek>and i've been playing with modules for many many years with debian. im just confused
04:41<vortek>yeah i got that too
04:41<vortek>i rmmod'd that just to be safe also
04:42<vortek>and looked at /lib/modules and couldn't find nothing under /misc or /mouse under input
04:45<nowhereman>vortek: try this
04:45<nowhereman>for MODULE in $(for FILE in $(sudo modprobe -l | grep input/) ; do basename $FILE .ko ; done) ; do sudo lsmod | grep $MODULE ; done
04:45<nowhereman>assuming you are sudoer
04:46<SpeedyG>hey, how can I generate a file with useless content of a given size
04:47<vortek>all i know is after the synaptics touch pad driver is loaded during bootup it loads the firmware then says input: tpps/2 ibm trackpoint as /class/input/input3
04:47<vortek>hrm thats gona be hard when i cant paste
04:47<vortek>[1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m <vortek> hrm thats gona be hard when i cant paste[0m
04:47<dli>SpeedyG, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/tmp.dat cbs=1234
04:47<vortek>let me see if i can figure out how to use bitchx paste
04:48<vortek>[1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m <vortek> ok[0m
04:48<vortek>brb im gona have to exit bx and su to type this from the screen
04:49<vortek>and su of course
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04:57<JYL57>Supaplex : I'm reading more about rescue mode and having a break now, but I want to thanks you for your time and effort, have a nice day !
05:04<Supaplex>JYL57: cool. no problemo :)
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05:06<vortek>nowhereman: brb this cursor wont let me past results
05:07<dli>JYL57, I put a livecd image on my /boot partition
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05:11<vortek>nowhereman: ya there ?
05:13<vortek>i got like 5 modules
05:14<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
05:14<vortek>evdev tsdev joydev serio_raw psmouse, and pcspkr
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05:15<vortek>we can rule out joydev
05:15<vortek>and pcspkr
05:16<vortek>nowhereman: also when I ran an strace on modprobe psmouse, it loaded both the touchpad and the trackpoint modules
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05:17<vortek>and the funny part is lsmod says psmouse is used by 0, but an strace showed modprobe psmouse loading the touchpad and trackpoint drivers
05:17<Supaplex>so you want to blacklist trackpoint
05:18<vortek>now this doesn't make sense cause trackpoint is not listed in the drivers no were
05:18<vortek>no were in the modules
05:18<vortek>it only shows up in strace
05:18<Supaplex>does it load after x is running?
05:18<[gloom]>I'm installing etch again from a cd, and when the installer comes to the point "Select and install programs" it downloads the 85 packages, and stops there!!! Do you know something a bout it?
05:18<[gloom]>the installation does not start
05:18<Supaplex>[gloom]: what's it say on tty4? press c+a+f4
05:19<vortek>and lsmod shows psmouse as 0, that nothings using it, but strace on modprobe psmouse loads the laptop drivers.
05:19<vortek>Supaplex : yeah same problem in x
05:19<[gloom]>nnothing: THe last line is the lsat download line of apt
05:19<[gloom]>no errors
05:19<Supaplex>[gloom]: anything on tty3?
05:20<vortek>but why is lsmod showing psmouse and using 0 when strace clearly shows it loading my laptop touchpad and broken trackpoint nipple on the keyboard, and then a cursor pops up?
05:20<[gloom]>I remeber sometimes I hade this problem in other computer, with a sid. Sometimes the apt fails to continue after download
05:20<[gloom]>tty3 unactive
05:20<[gloom]>"press enter to activate this console"
05:20<Supaplex>that sounds like tty2. odd.
05:20<petemc>tty4 has the logs
05:20<Supaplex>tty1 should be the installer
05:21<Supaplex>I thought there were two different classes of logs. one on tty3, and another on tty4.
05:21<[gloom]>tty1 the isntaller, tty2 and 3 unactive, tty4 log
05:21<vortek>i think i found a bug
05:22<[gloom]>but there's no error in log. Only the Dow: 85://
05:22<[gloom]>the last apt line
05:22<[gloom]>nothing else
05:22<vortek>cause the only way to unload these touchpad drivers, "touchpad works fine" and the trackpoint keyboard nipple" wich is what makes the cursor move all around, is to use psmouse module.
05:22<vortek>So how do I black list something from strace ?
05:22<Supaplex>!tell vortek -about blacklist
05:23<vortek>Supaplex : there is no module name though
05:23<Supaplex>vortek: blacklist doesn't apply to strace, but to kernel modules
05:23<vortek>Supaplex : ahh so that wont work
05:23<vortek>Supaplex : i need the psmouse driver to load the touch pad driver and the keyboard nipple driver wich is cause me all the problems
05:24<Supaplex>so which modules do you want loaded, and which ones do you never want?
05:24<vortek>and strace wont show me what modules there using it just shows its loading psmouse after that the touch pad loads then the broken nipple.
05:24<vortek>im trying to figure out how to make the nipple not load cause its broken and it makes the cursor fly all over
05:25<Supaplex>well unload it, and
05:25<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
05:25<padski>!tell padski about nipples
05:25<padski>it was worth a try ;-)
05:25<vortek>and in var/log/mesages/ it loads the firm war for the nipple keyboard thingy, then the trackpoint for it then the touchpad.
05:25<vortek>but if i dont load psmouse I dont have any mouse cursor at all
05:26<[gloom]>ok, magicsysrq F did the work
05:26<[gloom]>love the kernel
05:26<vortek>im trying to figure out how to load psmouse module, and stop it from loading the nipple driver.
05:26<Supaplex>vortek: what's the name of that other driver?
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05:28<[gloom]>Supaplex: to use the 2 cores should I install a xxx-smp image of the kernel, right?
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05:29<dpkg>somebody said smp was (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm!, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ...
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05:29<[gloom]>intel core 2 duo?
05:29<Supaplex>[gloom]: afaik, yes. I think the debian package maintainers group anything smp-ish into the smp kernel builds.
05:30<[gloom]>ok. thx
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05:31<vortek>Supaplex : i type modprobe psmouse and the touchpad and nipple start working and my cursor apear. and the /var/log/messages say its loading the firmware for ibm trackpoint "wich iswhats cuasing the problem the broken keyboard nipple" then says input: tpps/2 ibm trackpoint as /class/input/input3
05:31<vortek>well thats what they say from when I boot the kernel
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05:32<Supaplex>vortek: keep it simple. one thought at a time please
05:32<Supaplex>is the problem here, or after it? Supaplex : i type modprobe psmouse and the touchpad and nipple start working and my cursor apear.
05:32<vortek>Supaplex: thats all there is to it :) just wanted you to know what was from /var/log/messages
05:33<vortek>Supaplex : yeap :)
05:33<vortek>and the cursor goes nuts cause the trackpoint nipple is busted
05:33<vortek>but the touchpad works fine
05:33<Supaplex>we're going in circles here
05:33<vortek>now i can still move the nipple with psmouse module just not controll it
05:34<Supaplex>so presently you're moving the eraser thingy, and it's ignoreing you like you want, right?
05:34<vortek>oh sorry was just trying to show you /var/log/messages to show you that psmouse was resonsible for loading these 2 devices, and that if i blacklist psmouse im fubard.
05:34<vortek>well i can kinda controll it
05:34<vortek>but it has a mind of its own
05:34<vortek>like i can move it a few inches in one direction and it goes another
05:34<Supaplex>then it's not disabled yet, now is it? :)
05:34<vortek>now it does it in winxp also
05:34<Supaplex>do you have gpm running?
05:35<vortek>yeah , tried with and with out
05:35<Supaplex>if you're not using the mouse on the console, just uninstall gpm
05:35<vortek>now in winxp I just use there synaptic tool to shut off the nipple pointer and the computer works fine.
05:35<vortek>i do want to use mouse on console though
05:35<Supaplex>otherwise, you have to set it up as a repeater, and let xorg read from its repeater device
05:35<vortek>but i tried it with dpkg --pruge gpm also
05:35<vortek>er purge
05:36<vortek>but i try agian
05:36<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
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05:37<padski>Purging configuration files for acct ...
05:37<padski>removed `/var/log/account/pacct'
05:37<padski>I didn't think a log flie counted as a config file ??
05:38<vortek>now what should I do
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05:38<vortek>I think theres no way to seperate these 2 devices unless i go custom kernel probaly ?
05:38<Supaplex>vortek: is gpm configured as a repeater?
05:39<vortek>its pruges and forceconfmiss now
05:39<Supaplex>so you have the gpm conf reinstalled now?
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05:40<vortek>should i ?
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05:40<Supaplex>vortek: let's backup. what do you want to do?
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05:40<vortek>what ever it takes to disable this nipple like i do in wintendo hehe
05:40<vortek>er i mean windows
05:41<vortek>id like to use gpm though
05:41<Supaplex>vortek: right. :) let's keep gpm out of the picture until we get x running normally. just make sure x is using the real device, and gpm is stopped.
05:42<vortek>its gone out the pic
05:42<Supaplex>is the eraser thingy responsive right now?
05:43<vortek>im in console btw
05:43<Supaplex>well switch to/start x etc
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05:44<vortek>nothing in x strange hehe
05:44<vortek>should I reconfigure x ?
05:44<vortek>thank got its not like the ole days hehe
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05:45<Supaplex>don't jump ahead or change anything until I know or you'll get me lost :P
05:45<Supaplex>so x is running normal, no weirdo eraser movement?
05:45<vortek>k sorry
05:47<Supaplex>are you satisfied with the way x is responding to all mouse inputs?
05:47<vortek>no mouse in x
05:47<Supaplex>ok. what changes did you make to xorg.conf regarding mouse input?
05:48<indraveni>hi all
05:48<vortek>synaptics did though
05:48<Supaplex>it's a stock config?
05:48<kmap>indraveni: Hi!
05:48<indraveni>I am trying to create a debian lenny cd
05:48<indraveni>and at the step of make image-trees command
05:48<kmap>indraveni: What method are you using to cerate a Lenny CD?
05:48<vortek>but the only way the mouse would work was with psmouse module wich loaded the broken nipple so x wouldnt work
05:48<Supaplex>I haven't used synaptics in forever
05:49<indraveni>kmap, custom cd method
05:49<vortek>but yeah its a stock xorg.conf other then what tpconfig did
05:49<vortek>wich is the touchpad driver
05:49<indraveni>there is an inifinite loop saying , Permisson denied at /usr/share/debian-cd/tools/
05:49<indraveni>and after some 10 mins, its showing as finished.
05:49<Supaplex>vortek: ok, let's slow down, this is where I think I'm getting lost. when you load the psmouse module, other modules load with it?
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05:49<vortek>Supaplex : but tpconfig doesn't even have in option to disable the broken nipple.
05:49<indraveni>but when completing all the remining steps , and trying to run check the iso using qemo,
05:50<vortek>Supaplex : no
05:50<Supaplex>vortek: what happens when you load the psmouse module?
05:50<indraveni>the installation stops saying , cdrom drives not found
05:50<indraveni>where as I placed all the cdrom udebs in the pool
05:50<vortek>Supaplex : the cursor just apears and goes haywire , the nibble can barely move it same with touch pad
05:51<kmap>indraveni: Sorry, I don't know the answer.
05:51<kmap>indraveni: Could I know why you want to make a custom CD?
05:51<Supaplex>vortek: ok, so when you load the psmouse driver, the eraser and trackpad are both enabled (and the apparent screwy randomness c/o the eraser bit)
05:51<indraveni>anyone else here, who can help me
05:51<indraveni>kmap, i want to try
05:51<kmap>indraveni: And you can ask in #d-devel if nobody answers here (sorry sorry sorry!)
05:51<Supaplex>indraveni: or #debian-boot
05:52<kmap>indraveni: debian-cd is also there, though not sure
05:52<kmap>indraveni: #debian-cd that is
05:52<[gloom]>I'm trying to chose the correct kernel image. In the repositories there are the normal images, and then the *-amd64. It says "...provides the binary image and pre-build loadable modules for kernel 2.6.22 on all 64bit single and multiprocessir AMD and Intel machines". Does it mean that it's only for 64bits version?? I mean, can I use it on a intel core 2 duo in 32 bit mode?
05:52<Supaplex>indraveni: they may not reply quickly, but if you're patient, help will come.
05:53<Supaplex>[gloom]: I think those work. if not, it'll yell that your cpu doesn't support longmode.
05:53<[gloom]>let's give it a try
05:54<kmap>indraveni: Also, mailing list might help...
05:54<indraveni>kmap, thankyou, but I am getting a reply from debian-cd
05:54<kmap>Oh, OK
05:54<indraveni>will ask in mailing list if needed
05:55<kmap>indraveni: Sorry for not helping
05:55<kmap>rather, not being able to help
05:55<vortek>Supaplex : i see the mouse barely flickering in x btw
05:55<indraveni>kmap, thats ok, you showed me a way where I can get help.
05:55<indraveni>kmap, thats more enough
05:57<vortek>Supaplex : and when i type modprobe psmouse it shows it loading the touchpad and trackpad after i hit enter.
05:57<Supaplex>vortek: modinfo -F parm shows paramaters you can use when loading psmouse.
05:57<Supaplex>vortek: paste it if you can to
05:58<Supaplex>the part where it says the trackpad and stuff is loaded.
05:58<vortek>i cant paste
05:58<vortek>no touch pad/ trackpad
05:58<Supaplex>can you select?
05:58<vortek>how do i do that, im not sure how
05:58<vortek>the touch pad buttons work
05:59<Supaplex>left click to start, drag, then release left click
05:59<Supaplex>middle click to paste, or shift+insert
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06:00<vortek>how can i drag with out a cursor ?
06:00<Supaplex>if all else fails, you could use script(1) to capture the output. if you run it like: TERM=dumb script mysession.txt it'll have less control junk in the output file (mysession.txt), and it'll save everything shown on the screen into that file
06:01<Supaplex>I thought you said the touchpad worked
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06:01<vortek>said it works in xp when i turn off the nipple
06:01<Supaplex>what a headache. get a usb mouse ;)
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06:02<vortek>thats what im trying to do here in linux, but these people who wrote the psmouse driver didn't leave an option to turn off the nipple and tpconfig the driver for the touch pad doesn't even remotely have an option to configure the nipple
06:02<vortek>i have no room for a mouse or id get one
06:02<vortek>im in a hospital bed
06:03|-|mode/#debian [+l 302] by debhelper
06:03<vortek>and have to lay certian ways so my presure soars heal
06:03<c>Hi, can anyone give me some openVPN help? i'm having problems trying to get multiple users to connect to it
06:03<vortek>well worse comes to worse i can just do a custom compile i heard that works , you just do't include the drivers for the nipple
06:04<Supaplex>vortek: I suppose. I don't have that hardware, so I haven't played or even encountred such issues
06:04<vortek>Supaplex : btw modinfo -F just gives me the general usage print out. and if I type modinfo -F modprobe same thing
06:04<vortek>its just lack of features in the drivers
06:04<vortek>i read all over google
06:05<Supaplex>"modinfo -F param psmouse"
06:05<vortek>ohh doh
06:05<vortek>i thought you ment paramaters
06:05<vortek>heh no output at all lol
06:06<vortek>just return to prompt
06:06<Supaplex>just 'modinfo psmouse' then (no quotes, of course)
06:06<Supaplex>what model of notebook is this?
06:07<vortek>dell lattitude
06:08<Supaplex>according to the MOUSE_PS2 2.6.18 kernel config option, (help) Synaptics TouchPad users might be interested in a specialized XFree86 driver at: and a new version of GPM at: to take advantage of the advanced features of the touchpad.
06:08<vortek>modinfo just told me the resolution and such but i gues thats what its suposed to do
06:08<vortek>like the paramaters
06:08<vortek>hrm thats just the touchpad though
06:09<vortek>but who knows maybe they snuck a present in there for the nibble controller
06:09<vortek>er nipple
06:09<padski>!tell padski about nibble
06:09<vortek>see in windows xp I just turn off the nipple on the keyboard
06:09<vortek>and she works fine.
06:10<vortek>so atleast I know its not hardware
06:10<vortek>but honestly this is the first time in 10 years i've ever had true difuculties with linux over windows
06:10<vortek>so i can't complains
06:10<Supaplex>and well, it'a 4am here. :p
06:11<vortek>6 am here
06:11<vortek>i got to wake up at 12 for a docs apointment hehe
06:11<vortek>thanxs for the help man :)
06:11<Supaplex>well we have a better handle on what/where the issue is, but not quite enough to make progress on it.
06:11<vortek>ill just fix my other laptop, its faster , I just need to re soldier the powersuply
06:11<Supaplex>ohhh... I have an idea.
06:12<vortek>a laptops not the same when its not yours any ways, this is a freinds
06:13<Supaplex>hwinfo --mouse --log mousehw.txt
06:13<Supaplex>it's in the hwinfo package
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06:14<c>Hi, can anyone give me some openVPN help? i'm having problems trying to get multiple users to connect to it
06:14<Supaplex> that's my boring ps2 mouse that has a wheel, but the kvm it's plugged into eats all wheel events (old kvm)
06:15<vortek>ok whats this 20 pages of info for hehe
06:15<Supaplex>c: no idea here. you could try the debian-users mailing list
06:15<vortek>at the bottom i see what drivers it uses and such
06:15<vortek>well protocols
06:16<Supaplex>let's see what happens when I plug in my wireless usb mouse.
06:16<c>Supaplex: thanks, got good advice on this channel before but clearly nobody has any info this time!
06:18<vortek>ahh acording to this hwinfo, both the nipple and touchpad are registerd as ps2 devices hence why we cant seperate them, I was thinking of trying just rename the /dev/mouse1 wich is the nipple to disable it but last time i tried it didnt work and when i rebooted it changed its name back
06:18<Supaplex>vortek: ohh, then it might be related to hal. maybe you can configure hal to disable it
06:19<Supaplex>c: they're all asleep :)
06:19<vortek>id have no idea how to do that, id probaly havve to be a programer
06:19<vortek>but the nipple uses /dev/mouse1
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06:19<vortek>er /dev/input/mouse1
06:19<c>Supaplex: ah everyone on this channel is in the US then!
06:19<vortek>i wish i could just delete that
06:20<SpeedyG>c: fortunately not :D
06:20<c>Supaplex: well...all the people who are not here and are asleep now! ;-)
06:21<c>Supaplex: I'm not in the US
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06:21<Supaplex>I inferred as much :}
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06:23<vortek>heh non of them google links are realivent
06:23<vortek>i just checked em
06:23<vortek>freakin google lol
06:23<c>I'll check back later or something!
06:24<Supaplex>oh duh, udev
06:24<vortek>they mention tpconfig wich doesnt touch the nipple but oh well , ill do it by a kernel compile, i need a custom kernel anyways
06:24<vortek>ill search for udev also
06:24<[gloom]>the option "Support for ScaleMP vSMP" in the kernel config (subarchitecture type) is the one for the core 2duo, right?
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06:24<vortek>brb if your still here, I gots to use the wash room and it takes me a while
06:24<vortek>to get in my wheel chair lol
06:24<Supaplex>fun :)
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06:28<Supaplex>supaplex@armada:/etc/udev$ grep -i mouse udev.rules
06:28<Supaplex>KERNEL=="mouse[0-9]*", NAME="input/%k"
06:28<Supaplex>ah hurmn...
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06:33<sheldonh>a number of files debian supplies in /etc/exim4/conf.d/*/ conditionalize on the values of macros (e.g. SYSTEM_ALIASES_USER). where should i define these macros?
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06:35<petemc>sheldonh: did you try grepping recursively in the exim4 dir?
06:35<petemc>and nothing?
06:36<bastian>is there anybody who speaks german and con halp me?
06:36<sheldonh>petemc: lots of _uses_ of the macro. but it's not clear to me where i should _define_ the macro. perhaps just by adding -DMACRO=value to COMMONOPTIONS in /etc/default/exim4?
06:37<petemc>sheldonh: i dont use the debian way so dont have more than a passing familiarity with it
06:37<bastian>is there anybody who speaks german and can help me? i want to come to euIRC
06:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:37<sheldonh>petemc: nevermind. looks like transport/30_exim4-config_maildir_home doesn't allow a macro for specifying the group ownership of files, so i'll have to hack up the file anyway
06:37<bastian>i use ubuntu with konversation
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06:38<sheldonh>petemc: to date, the debian way hasn't paid for itself on any host i've tried it on. i wonder what use case it's fantastic for :)
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06:38<petemc>sheldonh: i guess for people who dont want to look at exims config
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06:39<petemc>ie; just use debconf
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06:39<petemc>the update-exim4.conf man page is farily verbose
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06:41<sheldonh>petemc: indeed. it just doesn't explain how to leverage the incomplete set of macros. but no worries, i didn't realize the config didn't allow me to override the group ownership of maildir message files, so i'm not going to bother trying to get the debian way to do what i want
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07:41<themill>dpkg: greet as
07:41<dpkg>Moo, as
07:41<as>anybody here?
07:41<Supaplex>well duh, you are
07:42<as>I am just looking around, don't want to bother you
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07:46<Supaplex>*yawn* I think I'll go zzZzzZZ now anyway. :p
07:46<Supaplex>as: cheers.
07:46<as>;-) bye
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07:48<as>I am going to leave to! bye
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08:29<neil2>I have a problem with KISMET in configuration line "source=none,none,addme" .... I use a Realtek 8187 wifi in my Laptop.... and I need to know what information to insert in KISMET configuration line
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08:32<gsimmons>neil2: As it states in the configuration file, refer to kismet's README file regarding available capture sources.
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08:59<darsie>Hi! Which files do I need to install debian (testing) from HD? I tried the ones in without success. Shall I use the files in .../gtk?
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09:01<darsie>it can't find an install iso and doesn't find my NIC.
09:02<themill>!install lenny
09:02<dpkg>To install testing, see
09:02<themill>darsie: what's the nic?
09:02<darsie>network interface card
09:02<themill>yes.. and what is it? make model pciid...
09:03<darsie>00:12.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] [1106:3065] (rev 78)
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09:03<themill>the via-rhine module supports that, and you need kernel 2.6.21 or newer
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09:04<darsie>hmm, so can I use a recent kernel with the old initrd?
09:04<gsimmons>darsie: You also need to provide a CD image (ISO) if you're using the initrd/kernel from the 'hd-media' folder.
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09:05<darsie>I want to make a netinstall, but not with CD, but boot from HD.
09:05<themill>darsie: see dpkg's comment above
09:05<gsimmons>darsie: Then read section 5.1.2 of the installation guide. You're using the wrong method.
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09:07<darsie> says to copy vmlinuz and initrd.gz. But it does not say where to take these files from.
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09:09<darsie> mentions netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz but I can't find that.
09:09<fsateler>is there a way to tell less to not wrap long lines?
09:09<darsie>less -S
09:10<darsie>Use -S before any file arguments.
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09:11<fsateler>darsie: thanks
09:12<gsimmons>darsie: <>. Adjust for your intended installation architecture.
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09:13<darsie>gsimmons: Ok, I'll try that.
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09:23<JYL57>hello again Debian world !
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09:24<JYL57>Should someone advise me how to rescue my Sarge box with the install CD ? Or point me to useful doc on this topic ?!
09:25<dpkg>i heard rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
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09:30<JYL57>Ok I read the Debianinstaller/FAQ but have a more generic question : Is it worth to use an etch install DVD instead of my old Sarge CD ?!
09:31<JYL57>On my box I only need to save a mysql DB and nothing else...
09:31<azeem>JYL57: should work as well
09:32<JYL57>Ok azeem, so installing with etch and then STOP just before partitionning and trying to repair what I can, this is the process in short ?!
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09:43<panagos>is there a way to see a specific process' network activity, with kbps usage etc? (&& how?)
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09:44<gsimmons>JYL57: If you boot to rescue mode ('rescue', 'rescuegui'), partman/partitioning won't appear by default.
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09:45<JYL57>gsimmons: How to boot to rescue mode ?
09:46<gsimmons>JYL57: Did you read the referenced FAQ question? It's mentioned there.
09:48<JYL57>the only reference to rescue is : "Can I use d-i as a rescue system? What pitfalls are there?" ... Have to search a little more probably...
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09:57<JYL57>ok I've booted with my Sarge CD and I'm now in command mode (ash), how to retrieve and repair my partitions ?!
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10:24<dankedane>Guys, I'm having trouble with using grep correctly. I'm trying to create a whitelist for a procmail script, that runs before anything else. The command I'm running right now is ' echo "$FROM" | fgrep -i -f /directory/of/myfile ' It works, but only on *exact* matches. I want the ability to put "*" in my whitelist file and it give me a true statement when the script runs
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10:38<faheem___>Hi. I have a package that needs postgres 8.1 or later on Debian. However, Ubuntu doesn't seem to want to install
10:38<faheem___>8.1. I want to use the same packaging (rules/control files) on both Debian and Ubuntu. Any suggestions?
10:38<faheem___>Already asked on #ubuntu-devel, but everyone seems to be asleep there, or something...
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10:40<chealer>faheem___: what kind of suggestions?
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10:41<azeem>faheem___: 1. this is not #ubuntu. 2. #ubuntu-devel is not #ubuntu
10:41<faheem___>chealer: Well, something in control that makes 8.1 install on Debian, and 8.2 install on etch. Was wondering if hardwiring version nos would work, or something.
10:42<faheem___>azeem: Is #ubuntu correct, then? I thought #ubuntu-devel would be correct.
10:42<azeem>faheem___: #ubuntu-devel is certainly not correct for Ubuntu support
10:42<azeem>neither is this chan
10:42<azeem>if you're talking about packaging stuff for Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu-motu
10:43<azeem>anyway, it's very off-topic here, so please move on
10:43<chealer>faheem___: I don't understand. etch is a Debian release.
10:43<faheem___>azeem: Ok, thanks.
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10:44[~]themill curses ubuntu for calling something "edgy" when debian was using "etch"
10:44<faheem___>chealer: Thanks for replying. Not packaging for Ubuntu by choice... Long story.
10:45<faheem___>chealer: Use Debian myself, don't use Ubuntu.
10:45<azeem>faheem___: so WTF do you ask in #ubuntu-devel?
10:45<chealer>faheem___: I really don't follow you. I'm not questioning what you're packaging for.
10:45<themill>faheem___: in terms that are related to Debian and don't mention that U-thing. What are you trying to do (that we might be able to help with).
10:47<faheem___>themill: Sorry, can't ask the question without mentioning the U-thing. The idea is to have a packaging that works for both Debian and U-thing. :-) Don't want to maintain separate versions. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I know the U-thing is a sensitive subject.
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10:47<faheem___>azeem: Sorry, thought #u...-devel was a reasonable place for asking packaging questions. Guess I was wrong. Trying on -motu now. Sorry for the noise.
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10:48<themill>faheem___: It's only sensitive because so many people stumble in here and ask for assistance with things that are just not debian related. You should ask debian-packaging questions in #debian-mentors.
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10:48<azeem>I think everything is fine now and we can move on
10:49<faheem___>themill: Ok. Is the u-thing on-topic for mentors?
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10:49<azeem>no, #ubuntu-motu is fine
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10:50<lol>whats the command to see all channelsß
10:50<themill>faheem___: well... debian packaging questions are on topic in -mentors. and ubuntu packaging questions are on topic in #ubuntu-motu. Ask the right question and it's on topic in both.
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10:51<azeem>lol: /list
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11:14<aeohaeo>[14:14:05] -ChanServ- You do not have access to the UNBAN command on #debian-br. Identifying to your
11:14<aeohaeo>[14:14:05] -ChanServ- nickname may give you this access. See nickname services' HELP IDENTIFY
11:14<aeohaeo>[14:14:05] -ChanServ- command for more information.
11:14<aeohaeo>all tie
11:15<zobel>because you do not seem to have the right access level for that.
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11:15<aeohaeo>zobel man
11:16<zobel>also you might want to identify yourself at nickserv
11:16<aeohaeo>long time i try join in channel but ever time say msg to me
11:16<aeohaeo>all ip's brazilian guys 189.24* banned
11:16<zobel>plz join #oftc and report there
11:16<aeohaeo>ok thks
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11:19<themill>dpkg: greet pierre-allain
11:19<dpkg>Nihao, pierre-allain
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11:20<pierre-allain>nihao ma?
11:20<aeohaeo>zobel im need help for install and configure nagios you now busy?
11:21<padski>tell aeohaeo about ask
11:21<padski>!tell aeohaeo about ask
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11:22<pierre-allain>quingwen, nin shi na guo ren?
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11:23<dpkg>hmm... en is english
11:24<pierre-allain>so what's up
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11:24<padski>tell pierre-allain about ask
11:24<gpm>!fire padski
11:24<dpkg>I'm sorry, padski, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff.
11:24<padski>!tell pierre-allain about ask
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11:24<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
11:24[~]themill hands padski a supply of !s
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11:24<padski>don't worry, I resign! :-)
11:25<ranix>dpkg: tell me about debian-multimedia
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11:25<avu>tell ranix about self tell
11:25<avu>!tell ranix about self tell
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11:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:37<padski>aeohaeo: or as zobel said earlier: join #oftc and report your problem there
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11:39<kmap>Could someone please suggest an e-mail based file retriever available in Debian?
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11:40<kmap>I mean, a software which will respond to an e-mail request with another mail with the file attached.
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11:40<Tim>Can anybody tell me , how to print from field X to the end of line with "awk"?
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11:41<kmap>Tim: Ugly ways. One is to set all fields till $(X - 1) to ""
11:41<kmap>Tim: Else, for loop.
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11:44<Tim>kmap: thanks. I use cut than.
11:44<kmap>Tim: Ah, good idea.
11:44<kmap>Tim: I was waiting for someone else to provide a better answer. :-)
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11:46<Tim>kmap: I thought it must be easy with awk, but seams it isnt :)
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12:00<slayer84>Ive hunted down the printing problems i have had(and have). It seems to be an error somewere in debian packages
12:00<slayer84>Ive tried connecting the printer directly to the debian laptop, and it still wont print
12:01<slayer84>its a Brither hl2030
12:03<slayer84>Error log here:
12:05<themill>slayer84: CUPS thinks that the device is a hl1250 (-sDEVICE=hl1250) are there other options you can pick?
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12:07<slayer84>not as far i i know
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12:07<Entheogen>guys how can i set up wireless network in debian?
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12:07<slayer84>I think thats what the driver is being called
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12:09<amphi>Entheogen: iwconfig and ifconfig
12:09<themill>slayer84: btw brother does provide their drivers in .deb format from their website.
12:09<cahoot>Entheogen: much depends on the chipset
12:09<slayer84>Think i should try that?
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12:10<themill>slayer84: well.... printer manufacturers are usually pretty good at making crappy software, but it might be worth trying. Given that they are debian packages, it might even work ;)
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12:10<Entheogen>i have atheros
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12:10<Entheogen>with madwifi drivers
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12:11<Entheogen>i cannot set up network
12:11<Entheogen>i mean windows computers cannot see my wlan
12:12<cahoot>wouldn't that be a win problem?
12:12<themill>Entheogen: are you trying to use the linux machine as the host for the wireless network not just a client on it?
12:13<jorge>hi, who knows which is the spanish channel for debian or ubuntu ???
12:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:14<Entheogen>wlan led wont turn on
12:14<Entheogen>on laptop
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12:14<metalqga>Entheogen wlan led wont turn on"", I had this problem too
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12:15<metalqga>it turned out that the laptop came with no wireless card......
12:15<Entheogen>themill, yes
12:15<Entheogen>i'm not retard it has wlan card
12:16<Entheogen>it worked but now it want
12:16<metalqga>don't take it as an insult, I spent a few hours trying to make it work
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12:17<metalqga>updating the bios and so on.... :d
12:17<Entheogen>it worked few days later, but i only tryed to connect on other wlan computers
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12:17<Entheogen>i never tryed to set up this linux machine as "server" so others computer can connect to it
12:17<Entheogen>i need this machine as gateway
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12:18<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
12:18<streuner>!factinfo ipmasq
12:18<dpkg>ipmasq -- last modified at Wed Dec 21 12:36:55 2005 by Guerin!n=magpie@; it has been requested 98 times, last by streuner, 45s ago.
12:19<themill>Entheogen: are you sure that chipset is capable of associating with several clients at the same time? If it can't do that, then it can't be used as an access point in the way that you want.
12:19<Entheogen>themill, can i set up this comp as ad hoc not as access point
12:19<Entheogen>so only one computer can connect on it?
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12:31<sasha>hi could someone explaine me how to launch a command line in a terminal and then keep the terminal displayed under the nome menu
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12:32<sasha>lol ?
12:33<metalqga>you want the terminal to stay on top of all the windows?
12:33<amphi>sasha: something like 'xterm -hold -e ls', you mean?
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12:33<sasha>no i want to launch for exemple `ls -l /dev` from the gnome start menu
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12:34<azeem>sounds like what amphi said
12:34<sasha>but if i checked , launch in a terminal after the command is executed , the terminal is closed
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12:34<sasha>amphi thanks exactly that
12:34<amphi>sasha: good-oh
12:35<padski>sendmail puzzle: I want to smarthost only mail from a specific domain
12:35<sasha>no idea for the argument for gnome-terminal
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12:36<amphi>sasha: nor I - why not use xterm? ;)
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12:36<sasha>looks like i have some problem with my x config and xterm if i try to launch graphic apply
12:37<fxiny>why ? try DISPLAY=:0
12:38<sasha>it is a bug related to the last ati driver in fact , gnome-terminal works better on my post cause of that but if i dig a little bit by myself everything could work fine , thanks to all
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12:39<metalqga>greetings fxiny
12:40<fxiny>metalqga: hey ! long time :)
12:40<metalqga>no time :D
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12:40<fxiny>always on our side ;)
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12:49<JYL57>hello, I've booted from a liveCD on my "Kernel panic" Sarge system with systemrecoveryCD...Which tool to use to check and repair my partitions ?
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13:10<suiside>JYL57: you'll need to give more information about the kernel panic if you actually want help
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13:54<lubik>hi guys
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13:55<lubik>i've got a question about debian kernell and graphic driver
13:56<lubik>after install debian [latest ver. 4.0 r1] i can't install graphic driver
13:57<lubik>i think it needs to recompile kernell
13:57<lubik>maybe there is new ver that able to install graphic driver to nv 7600gs?
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13:57<lubik>any1 knows?
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13:59<lubik>hey people
13:59<lubik>any1 live here?
13:59<lubik>maybe some polish?
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14:00<lubik>boo, i want debian but i need some answers
14:01<Nemoder>dpkg has quit :(
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14:01<lubik>i've got a question about debian kernell and graphic driver
14:01<lubik>after install debian [latest ver. 4.0 r1] i can't install graphic driver
14:01<lubik>i think it needs to recompile kernell
14:01<lubik>maybe there is new ver that able to install graphic driver to nv 7600gs?
14:01<lubik>any1 knows?
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14:04<lubik>ok, i'll try to read this ;)
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14:26<msan>I've got a laptop with Etch installed on it. I want to use it to connect to the console on my Solaris systems. Kind of like using "tip" on Solaris. Any equivalent under Linux ?
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14:26<dkr>msan: minicom
14:27<dkr>and serial cable
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14:31<eldowan>Is there any utility to backup and compress a ntfs disk into an image file (like ghost or acronis)?
14:31<petemc>dd and gzip
14:32<eldowan>petemc: wouldn't dd do a dump of the entire disk, empty spaces and all?
14:33<eldowan>and gzip would reduce it to a size comparable with one of the commercial offerings?
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14:33<petemc>ive no idea
14:33<eldowan>petemc: got you. Thanks for the idea though.
14:34<Myon>I doubt any commercial tool would be significantly better than gzip
14:34<Myon>assuming the unused disk space is all zeroes
14:36<eldowan>Myon: If that is the case, I wonder what the true value of ghost and co. is
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14:36<Myon>it's windows software, they *sell* it
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14:37<msan>dkr: thanks.
14:37<eldowan>Myon: true, but I'm sure they are supposed to offer some *value* above a single image and the ability to mount as a drive, right?
14:37<Pryon>pretty buttons
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14:45<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering if it was possible to image a machine using an image built by DD mbr and all?
14:45<eldowan>oddtod: IIUC you should be able to do that.
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14:48<Harlekino>forget pastebin site, have problem
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14:48<msan>dkr: ok I've got minicom installed, but I just realised that my laptop does not have a serial port on it !
14:48<Harlekino>debian lenny/sid user
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14:49<Harlekino>tnx callahad
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14:51<oddtod>edlowan:would it be able to do it with an NTFS parition as the image?
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14:57<eldowan>oddtod: thats what I was told. I was looking for some of the same information
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14:59<Harlekino>hello again and many thanks to callahad
14:59<Harlekino>error url
14:59<Harlekino>trying to connect mobile phone via usb
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15:03<jthomas>I am trying to configure MySQL on Etch; the host=localhost line is the reason, but the debian.cnf says not to edit that file. So, what do I edit?
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15:05<Harlekino>ok, BOFH on recovery here, trying to solve this himsef
15:06<Harlekino>where to look for message bus configuration file
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15:07<aredhel>Harlekino, you probably need to be in the right group for that to work. plugdev, floppy, and fuse are good tries. It may be in the hal config files though.
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15:10<aredhel>Harlekino, looking at "ls -tl /dev/ |head" after you plug in the phone may help as well.
15:11<jthomas>how can I have MySQL listen to more than one IP?
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15:11<jthomas>i.e., more than just localhost
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15:12<Harlekino>aredhel, i think it is plugdev group, that will be first try, many tnx aredhel
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15:18<ssam>i am trying to find amd64 installer cds for testing, i think they should be at but all the subdirs are empty
15:19<Eulex>ssam, *shrug*, install stable and dist-upgrade?
15:20<ssam>Eulex, i guess i'll have to. thanks
15:20<Eulex>and fyi: -- if you really really want to install testing directly
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15:21<ssam>the way you say that makes it sound like a bad idea? is it better to install stable and upgrade?
15:23<Eulex>it's not guaranteed to work; also, using a daily-build installer isn't recommended either. better use a stable installer (if possible) and upgrade to testing. using a non-stable installer is completely at your own risk.
15:24<callahad>Hm, I've always installed testing using a net-install off one of the daily ISOs.
15:24<callahad>(and unstable)
15:24<callahad>I mean, the point is to get those things tested, correct? :)
15:25<Eulex>well, if you want to test them, great!
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15:26<ssam>i'll stick with stable. i dont think i've used the debian installer enough to be a good tester. thanks for the advice
15:27<ssam>s/stable/stable installer/
15:27<Eulex>just be aware that they're not guaranteed to work, and installing testing, but mostly unstable, is not guaranteed to work at all. but if they work for you: great!
15:28<panagos>i try to play wav files with /usr/bin/play (from package sox), but it fails! error message: "play soxio: Failed reading `test.wav': unknown file type `auto'"
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15:28<panagos>and psi uses play from its sound notifications...
15:28<panagos>* for its sound notifications...
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15:29<aredhel>panagos install libsox-fmt-all
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15:30<panagos>aredhel: thanks!
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15:34<oddtod>hey guys i'm looking to make an image of a hdd i know i could normally use NFS for this
15:34<oddtod>errr DD for this
15:35<oddtod>but its a NTFS partition
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15:35<Eulex>why would there be a difference?
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15:35<Eulex>oddtod, just make sure that the partition you're dding is read-only
15:35<oddtod>i'm not sure just asking Eulex to see if i could do this with dd
15:35<Eulex>yes you could.
15:35<oddtod>well can i then use DD to write the image back to several machines?
15:36<Eulex>you should. but I'm no expert on windows/ntfs stuff. they are usually weird.
15:36<oddtod>i'm looking to set up a server to host the image using NFS and then just write the image with a knoppix disc
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15:38<msan>anyone got a better way then wpasupplicant for using WiFi ? Mine keeps recycling every 5 minutes, and at some point just locks up the whole system. I can't use the keyboard or anything. and its using up 100% CPU when it locks up.
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15:44<mic66>Anyone know anything about webmin
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15:46<mic66>any Debian support out there?
15:46<callahad>I know I don't like it, but that's probably not helpful :(
15:46<mic66>I hear ya
15:48<cahoot>it isn't much appreciated here for some reason
15:48<aredhel> it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor qualit
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15:49<cahoot>filling as dpkg?
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15:49<aredhel>why not?
15:49<mic66>I have a working server and built another one to match. Is webmin a good tool for getting the data over to the new box?
15:49<cahoot>useful feature
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15:50<mic66>where would one start at cahoot?
15:51<cahoot>mic66: sorry wasn't speaking to you
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15:51<aredhel>cahoot, aptitude is up on freenode in you need it.
15:51<cahoot>mic66: OTOH I doubt webmin is best suited for duplicating a system
15:51<Solver>I'd use the shell
15:52<Solver>copying config, dumping databases, etc
15:52<Solver>there is no substitute for the shell
15:52<Solver>anyone doing *nix admin needs to be fairly comfortable with it
15:52<Solver>Ideally, _very_ comfortable
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15:53<mic66>k, rather new to the OS on this side
15:53<traza> Hi, I configured apache2.2 and tomcat 5.5 (with mod jk on debian)... scriplets are running, but servlets :s
15:53<traza>I've been reading.. and I have tools.jar already.
15:53<traza> I check the configuration and looks fine too.. I mean, simple jsp page are working...
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15:54<mic66>Just need to dulicate the server
15:54<cahoot>rsync or cp?
15:54<traza>The apps are working fine in another server.. apache2 tomcat 4.
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15:56<mic66>was that meant for me cahoot?
15:57<cahoot>mic66: yes - sorry
15:57<mic66>np - cp
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16:00<mic66>I have a wan between the two boxes
16:01<traza>Is fine to ask what im asking here (tomcat, apache.. in debian)?
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16:03<callahad>traza: It's always fine to ask, but it's a question of if the channel has any expertise in that area :(
16:03<aredhel>traza, since they are in debian, yes. You may do better to ask in #debian on freenode or in a channel for tomcat.
16:04<N1ghtCrawler>when i tries to connect to my vsftpd server it says "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
16:04<traza>aredhel, tnx for answer.. Im doing that..
16:04<N1ghtCrawler>I have a teory that it's not running as root
16:05<N1ghtCrawler>and therefore not able to use 21 am i right?
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16:05<aredhel>N1ghtCrawler, or some thing else is allready bound to that port.
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16:06<adii>where is dpkg ?
16:07<N1ghtCrawler>cahoot: Yes
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16:09<N1ghtCrawler>I took a look in netstat and it does not looked lika i had anything listening on 21
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16:18<N1ghtCrawler>can tere be a problem with my /etc/inetd.conf too?
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16:19<cahoot>N1ghtCrawler: is ftp enabled there too?
16:20<N1ghtCrawler>umh, did not understand so much of it, ill send a pastelink.
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16:25<N1ghtCrawler>Humn. commented out the "LISTEN=YES" In /etc/vsftpd.conf now too
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16:29<[gloom]>I'm trying to compile a kernel with smp. When i make make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image it promts some options I've never seen: SMP sub architecture for inter core 2 duo?
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16:29<ServerSide>i wonder what distro linus torvalds & rms are running
16:29<[gloom]>PC-compatible, AMD Elan, Voyager, NUMAQ, Summit/EXA, SGI, Generic or Unisys?
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16:35<callahad>ServerSide: I imagine he's using SuSE or RedHat
16:36<callahad>ServerSide: (He did work for OSDL, which has RH and Novell as members)
16:36<ServerSide>rms or linus?
16:36<callahad>ServerSide: Oh, missed that, Linus
16:37<ServerSide>ok thx
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16:38<callahad>ServerSide: As for RMS, didn't GNU create an Ubuntu fork a while back with all the binary blobs removed?
16:39<lindenle>Hi I am stuck behind an automatic proxy and I need to do an apt-get update. Does anyone have a slick trick to pipe this out over ssh or something?
16:39<callahad>right, gnewsense ("nuisance")
16:39<fsateler>I'm having trouble relaying mail to my ISP's mail server. Apparently postfix doesn't want to use the password I tell it to use
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16:43<nowhere_man>lindenle: what do you call an automatic proxy? a transparent proxy?
16:43<nowhere_man>that shouldn't prevent you from apt-getting
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16:44<padski>fsateler: "apparently" ?
16:44<lindenle>nowhere_man: it is some *.dat file that I put into automatic proxy config in firefox....and I do not know how to parse it to figure out whatthe proxy is?
16:45<fsateler>padski: I'm not really sure, since the logs don't say anything about it, but I can send mail if I netcat to the server and authenticate myself
16:45<fsateler>When postfix tries I get a message telling me that I'm listed in spamhaus
16:45<padski>fsateler: tcpdump of ssldump ?
16:46<padski>fsateler: and are you ?
16:46<fsateler>padski: It appears so, since gmail doesn't like my IP either
16:46<fsateler>padski: I'll try a tcpdump now
16:47<padski>fsateler: ok, but like you say, this is your isp and you can do it by hand.
16:47<fsateler>padski: The thing is I don't know if postfix is even trying to authenticate itself
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16:47<padski>fsateler: you know you can use telnet. I don't think you need to use netcat for smtp
16:48<padski>fsateler: if you do something like tcpdump -s0 -A you should see
16:48<fsateler>padski: it doesn't make any difference, does it? I don't have telnet installed in this machine
16:48<padski>fsateler: fair enough :-)
16:49<lindenle>nowhere_man: i guess it is a pac file, but i am not sure how to read it.
16:49<padski>fsateler: it does for other things. eg: i don't think http works very well with a telnet client, but you can do more with netcat.
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16:50<padski>fsateler: I practically only ever use nc in combination with ssh and dd to move bytes around.
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16:51<N1ghtCrawler>How di i restart inetd? "/etc/init.d/inetd restart" wont work :<
16:51<ReedWood>Hi, my network card is eth3 but I need it to be eth0. Ideas?
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16:51<avu>N1ghtCrawler: /etc/init.d/openbsg-inetd restart
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16:51<MrJoey>sudo /etc/init.d/inetd stop ; sudo /etc/init.d/inetd start ?
16:51<MrJoey>I guess avu meant openbsd-inetd
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16:52<avu>oh, yes, he did
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16:53<N1ghtCrawler>Thanks avu and MrJoey.
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16:53<N1ghtCrawler>Now my ftp server is back in buisness
16:53<fsateler>padski: it seems postfix isn't trying to authenticate itself
16:53<fsateler>EHLO followed by MAIL FROM
16:54<padski>fsateler: well, at least now you are certain.
16:54<padski>fsateler: I don't know postfix, but would it help to connect on 587 ?
16:55<padski>fsateler: certainly some clients are 'lazy' and will not auth unless forced to.
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16:56<fsateler>padski: the problem I have is that I'm trying to relay mail through my ISP
16:56<fsateler>padski: So it's postfix that's being lazy and not authenticating to the ISP mailserver
16:56<ReedWood>got it
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16:57<padski>fsateler: probably not, no. its just a wild shot in the dark
16:58<MrJoey>Does anybody happen to know where named stores the domain names that are cached?
16:59<padski>MrJoey: I'm guessing RAM ? (I think you can get it to dump to a file)
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17:00<MrJoey>padski> But what about when the operating system gets reset? Surely it doesn't drop all those domain names, does it?
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17:01<MrJoey>Last night, our ISP's DNS server was extremely unresponsive, so after it came back, I wanted to set my system up so that my computer could cache DNS requests so it could serve as a temporary DNS in case our ISP's DNS went down.
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17:02<Tim>What's the channel for Lenny support?
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17:02<azeem>T1m0thy: this one
17:02<traza>Can somebody explain me why there are another /usr/share/java/ (with lib and jar files)..
17:02<traza>for jvm files.. /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6... /lib..
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17:04<orioni>can s.o help me with radius ?
17:04<orioni>i cant compile it from source.
17:04<T1m0thy>Okay. I'm wondering how to get my Intel Pro 3945 wireless card working. I've looked around Google and I found a couple guides saying to add a repo from Etch and then apt-get a couple files, but they didn't work.
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17:04<padski>T1m0thy: what does cat /etc/issue say ?
17:04<T1m0thy>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
17:06<padski>what does the & do ?
17:06<[gloom]>ok, I'm totally astonished here!!! I'm trying to make a kernel custom image, as I have made 1000 times in my old laptop with sid. I have installed here the sid right now, and when I run "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" it starts to prompt me for many kernel configs, like it was not reading the .config I generated with make menuconfig.
17:06<azeem>I thought it was the trigger for a backup bot, but there's none in here anyway
17:07<[gloom]>is it some kind of new make-kpkg or what??? I have never seen those questions when making the image!!
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17:07<dli>[gloom], maybe, there's no .config indeed, sid
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17:08<[gloom]>I took the config 2.6.22 in /boot copied to /usr/src/linux, ran make menuconfig and saved it at the end. The config file is there!!!
17:08<[gloom]>I just wanted to change some things from the original debian repo image
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17:09<[gloom]>but it starts buggin me with questions!
17:09<adii>c'mon dpkg what are you doing
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17:13<erdostom>hi all
17:13<erdostom>i have a question about x & nvidia, if someone could please help me
17:14<padski>erdostom: just ask your question
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17:15<zancik>hi all! how to install .sh files on ubuntu?
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17:15<azeem>zancik: please ask in #ubuntu on
17:15<erdostom>well the first one might be a little a stupid, but i didn't find a clear answer on the net
17:15<erdostom>how i do stop from debian from booting into x? it just hangs... and i need a terminal
17:16<erdostom>(this is after tweaking a fresh etch install)
17:16<azeem>erdostom: remove /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm
17:17<erdostom>thx - how do i pull that off if it starts x automatically (i don't even have a chance to log in)
17:17<Entheogen>how can i share internet connection guys?
17:18<azeem>erdostom: boot into single user mode
17:18<erdostom>thx, trying that now
17:18<padski>erdostom: or use ctrl+alt+F1 to get a VC
17:18<erdostom>doesnt react to the ctrl+alt f-keys
17:19<padski>erdostom: ah!
17:19<T1m0thy>What happened to the bot?
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17:20<avu>aptituz: debian
17:20<padski>T1m0thy: bot not here. buggy or off-net perhaps
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17:21<T1m0thy>Ah, ok.
17:21<erdostom>ok renamed 21gdm to x21gdm
17:21<T1m0thy>I guess I'll try searching around a bit more...
17:21<erdostom>now to troubleshoot x
17:23<adii>try to look around for : iptables -t nat -j MASQUERADE -o eth0 -A POSTROUTING
17:23<adii>and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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17:23<adii>could help you (=
17:24<Entheogen>i knew that and i tryed that
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17:24<Entheogen>but nothing happens
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17:24<Entheogen>should i leave dns on client machine empty?
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17:24<adii>depends on your ISP really
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17:25<etanoox>i have a problem: i have a machine with 800mb of hdd... can i install debian?
17:25<mike__>What is the easiest way to install latest Nvidia driver?
17:26<azeem>the bot is down
17:26<mike__>oh ok
17:26<Entheogen>adii, i think that isp doesnt need dns server
17:26<padski>azeem: is there anything can be done about the bot ?
17:27<Entheogen>but client cannot use net although gateway is connected to internet and client is connected to gateway on wlan...
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17:27<etanoox>azeem, what's the name of diskless debian? i try to search in google, but there isn't information... i
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17:28<azeem>padski: no, dondelelcaro connection seems to have died, and took dpkg along
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17:30<Taaapani>what's up?
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17:31[~]cjmrdc wonders if vortex is vortek
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17:32<erdostom>back after reviewing the log files; they have no indication of an error - the nvidia-config seems to have done its job, yet my screen is black when X starts...; i'm using geforce 8600 with etch and a samsung SM 245B (i also want to use a 2nd screen later...); any ideas?
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17:32<mike__>I have Nvidia-glx installed but do not think it is the latest driver,,any easy way of installing latest,,repo etc?
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17:33<padski>erdostom: fwiw, last time I ran an nvidia driver it started with an nvidia logo on a white background (with a switch to switch that off)
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17:33<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
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17:33<azeem>aptitude: hi
17:33<aptitude>niihau, azeem
17:33<shironeko>we at meneame have detected that it's impossible to access a subdomain wih a - on any linux distro
17:33<shironeko>maybe it has to do with spanish ISP's
17:33|-|Ronin` changed nick to JasonS
17:33<shironeko>so I need your help
17:33<shironeko>can you access this webpage?
17:34<cjmrdc>does anyone here use jasper reports? or ireport?
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17:34<erdostom>padski: i don't even get that far - the screen is pitch black, and i can't do ctrl+alt stuff to switch out
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17:34<shironeko>this one has the same problem
17:35<shironeko>it's impossible to acces any webpage with a - in the subdomain
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17:35<padski>erdostom: yeah
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17:36<stew>i guess a HUP isn't enough
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17:37<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
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17:38<simonrvn>stew: running trunk on aptitude?
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17:38<stew>simonrvn: yes
17:39<erdostom>btw if anyone is still following my x+nvidia worries, i just noticed that my box beeps when x is supposed to start...
17:39<stew>i think? dunno how long ago i last updated
17:39<erdostom>i'd be grateful for any ideas...
17:39<simonrvn>i'd recommend running latest, some fixes are in
17:40<stew>oh, no it looks like i'm on don's branch
17:40<T1m0thy>Why would this be happening when editing my sources and updating?
17:40<simonrvn>haven't following your prob erdostom
17:40<simonrvn>some stuff from trunk was merged in
17:41<stew>i thought it was dead
17:41<erdostom>simonrvn: x goes pitch black when i try to start it with my geforce 8600 and the logs files mention no errors
17:41<streuner> konnte nicht gefunden werden.
17:41<simonrvn>sounds like bad sync and refresh rates
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17:42<erdostom>ok will check that
17:42<erdostom>(btw when i lsmod, i don't see nvidia on the list)
17:42<simonrvn>stew: also, source was changed, it's been renamed back to infobot
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17:43<simonrvn>erdostom: er, that's a problem too ;)
17:43<stew>simonrvn: ahh, ok, i think i misread something about 'renamed to infobot' as "completely abandoned"
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17:43<simonrvn>no, rather active now in fact :)
17:43<simonrvn>chan on FN #infobot
17:43<erdostom>simonrvn: i did this stuff: , but i guess it didn't work
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17:44<simonrvn>start with getting it working 'normally' first then add complexity
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17:45<erdostom>my emphasis isnt on the twinview yet, i just figured it a starting point to get the nvidia drivers working
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17:46<simonrvn>that's rather easy. try mving away your current xorg.conf, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again
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17:48<erdostom>thx btw for all this (hope it worx)
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17:54<[gloom]>I have noticed that when I run make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image in a source tree of 2.6.21 kernel it's automatic, it compiles the iamge, but when I make it in the 2.6.22 I receive a lot of questions about the kernel modules (again, qhen everything os configured though mane menuconfig). Anyone has seen this?
17:55<dli>[gloom], did you make oldconfig
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18:03<adrenergic>i have dialup modem with conexant chipset... i need help regarding
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18:03<adrenergic>doesn't debian have drivers for it
18:03<adrenergic>hi seccour
18:03<erdostom>one more question: does the fact that the monitor connects via dvi influence my settings?
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18:04<seccour>not sure about the modem drivers, never had debian not install correct modem drivers
18:04<erdostom>back to "no screen" error
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18:04<seccour>anyone know how to remove applications and keep gnome installed?
18:05<azeem>seccour: gnome is just an empty meta-package
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18:05<seccour>yes, so i've read but it still does it, not sure what i'm doing wronge
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18:06<erdostom>how can i add the nvidia module, so that it is listed under lsmod?
18:06<dli>adrenergic, it's easier to buy an external hardware modem
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18:06<adrenergic>but i can't :( dli
18:07<adrenergic>is buying the only solution :(
18:07<dli>adrenergic, no serial port?
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18:07<dli>adrenergic, or buy the linuxant driver
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18:07<erdostom>and one last question: how do i determine the Bus ID of my vid. card?
18:07<seccour>so for example, i apt-get remove totem ....and it says the following packages will be REMOVED, gnome, gnome-desk....totem
18:07<seccour>and i say yes and poof, gone
18:08<stew>erdostom: unless you have multiple video cards, or you are trying to setup a multi-headed display, leave it blank
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18:08<dli>erdostom, lspci|grep -i vga
18:09<erdostom>that setting was correct
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18:10<seccour>btw, thank you azeem for the reply ;)
18:11<adrenergic>dli... don't you people have... opensource driver for conexant like the ubuntu people have
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18:11<dli>adrenergic, if there's a ubuntu driver, you can port it to debian at worst
18:11<adrenergic>will that work here
18:12<dli>adrenergic, if you know the driver package name, search a debian repository for the same package
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18:12<[gloom]>dli: sorry for the lag. I was not here. what about oldconfig?
18:13<dli>[gloom], copy your old .config to the new source folder, and run "make oldconfig"
18:14<[gloom]>before proceeding with the make menuconfig or after that?
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18:16<dli>[gloom], before
18:16<[gloom]>aha, ok
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18:21<[gloom]>nope, it keeps me asking the option [y/n/?] for almost 100 different modules
18:21<[gloom]>and btw, i'm compiling a 2.6.22 and the initial .config file is the 2.6.22 that's on /boot
18:22<dli>[gloom], you have to do make oldconfig
18:22<[gloom]>i did it!
18:22<themill>[gloom]: Do you know that 2.6.22 is packaged for Debian already?
18:22<[gloom]>yep, but i wanted to change a couple of settings
18:23<themill>ok. just checking. It's very rare that it's worth doing so... most people are just compiling because they haven't realised that it's already in Debian.
18:24<[gloom]>anyway, wich version of the precompiled is the right for a intel core2duo? the xxx-amd64 version? does it use the 2 cores?
18:24<azeem>[gloom]: also note that a lot of settings are runtime configurable in /sys or /proc
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18:26<themill>[gloom]: if you want to use the core2duo as a 64bit processor then use the amd64 kernel, if you want to use it as a dual core 32 bit machine then use the -686 kernel.
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18:27<[gloom]>ok, for the moment I will use the -686
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18:30<istoc>Hey, quick question: how do I define keybinds for non-character keys in a config file?
18:34<avu>istoc: that depends on the application you are configuring...
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18:38<Magic-Guy>anybody can help me setting a l2tp client ?
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18:40<oreste>hay alguien?
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18:40<JasonS>Magic-Guy: ask your real question
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18:40<JasonS>hmm dpkg is awol i see
18:40<simonrvn>aptitude: es
18:40<aptitude>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:48<etanoox>ciao a tutti
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18:53<themill>aptitude: greet etanoox
18:53<aptitude>themill: bugger all, i dunno
18:53<amarelinho>i need help whit kerellllllll-sourceee and krne-headers
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18:54<etanoox>someone know diskless??
18:55<Supaplex>w/o discs, you have no backbone
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18:57<Supaplex>ugh... why does kmail have to be such a resource monster *sigh*
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18:57<Zylvain>does anyone if it's possible to download a debian net-install image and to boot on it, on a virtual distant server with a single accessible partition (for resintallation the whole system)
18:58<lupine_>Supaplex: all mail clients are crap
18:58<lupine_>kmail is crapper than most, I must admit
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19:03<Supaplex>lupine_: the only tollarble thing is, the vserver I have kontact running in has a maximum 5/7 of the cputime. my load is ~ 0.8-0.9, so I can kindof do stuff. mouse is a little skippity
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19:11<rotten777>anyone concious that has virtualization experience?
19:13<Supaplex>it rocks
19:14<rotten777>yes i'm sure it does
19:14<rotten777>i'm trying to get a dual p3 poweredge 1650 setup with virtualization
19:14<rotten777>and trying to find a good tutorial/faq to get me started
19:15<rotten777>qemu or vmware don't really care
19:15<Supaplex>virtualization is a vast and expansive topic. pretty vague.
19:15<nowhere_man>rotten777: use etch and Xen
19:15<rotten777>i want to have a physical server running many "images" of debian for various services
19:15<rotten777>etch and Xen?
19:15<Supaplex>or vserver
19:15<nowhere_man>Xen rocks hard
19:15<nowhere_man>and is damn easy to set up
19:16<nowhere_man>just install a Xen kernel
19:16<nowhere_man>and GRUB
19:16<nowhere_man>it should add the Xen boot automagically
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19:16<Supaplex>nowhere_man: any idea why the hvmloader is only 32bit?
19:16<rotten777>is Xen in repositories?
19:16<nowhere_man>it's in main
19:17<kamui>how do i stop xorg from creating a <default mouse>
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19:19<rotten777>wooooo! thanks fellas
19:19<rotten777>time to play
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19:20<etanoox>i dead
19:23<Supaplex>nowhere_man: a lot of these are over a year old.
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19:32<istoc>Hey, quick question: how do I define keybinds for non-character keys in a config file? I'm trying to bind keys for mplayer controls.
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19:33<MarQs>lol xD
19:33|-|MarQs changed nick to lol
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19:34<Supaplex>MarQs: do you have a debian question?
19:35<MarQs>Nol xD
19:35<@Ganneff>MarQs: please start making sense. thanks.
19:36<Supaplex>must be some 10yr old playing around. *shrug*
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19:53<jae>Can someone point me to a doc that say which env vars *must* be set? (perl complains about locale settings all of a sudden...)
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19:54<dli>jae, if you use english only, try LANG=C
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19:56<jae>I do have LANG, LC_COLLATE and LC_ALL (the latter because apt-listchanges just exits if it's not set) set to "en_US.utf-8"
19:58<jae>But apt-listchanges, I just noticed, crashed anyway
19:59<Supaplex>when I'm lazy, i just unset them
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20:01<jae>Ah, something broke locales, need to investigate further (crap... yeah, yeah, I know, using unstable can be hazardous to your system and your mental health :P)
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20:02<Supaplex>if sid were a public building, it'd be condemed on the spot ;-)
20:03<lupine_>or applauded as a work of modern art
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20:03<jae>dpkg-reconfigure locales... oh, great, *none* is enabled, if this list is correct
20:03<lupine>I'm not sure which is worse, TBH
20:03<jae>No wonder setting locales fails :P
20:03<Supaplex>quite possibly
20:04<jae>No, ja_JP.EUC-JP is (still?) enabled
20:05<george>Supaplex: actually, it wouldn't be condemned until several seconds after it falls apart
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20:06<george>jae: also... it can be possible that no helper knows answers to certain questions about sid
20:07<george>someone running sid could say "try this _____... it works on etch..." and you could find out it doesn't on sid
20:07<jae>There are helper here? I thought it was just people? ;)
20:08<george>perhaps that's true
20:08<jello>jae: what seems to be the problem?
20:08<george>and if it is, then it's always a good idea to describe things as clearly as possible, be a sicco, ask smart questions and actually participate in solutions
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20:09<jae>The problem *was* that locales somehow forgot the configured locales to generate
20:09<jello>jae: on sid?
20:09<jae>And I didn't watch its upgrade, or I would have noticed
20:09<simonrvn>so re-run dpkg-reconfigure locales
20:09<george>then these "just people" you describe have a better chance at deciding whether they know something that can help
20:10<jae>simonrvn: I've done so, see above :P
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20:12<jello>jae: do you know when the problem started?
20:12<jello>jae: you can check /var/log/dpkg.log to narrow it down...
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20:12<jae>Lots of upgrades today, will have to see when I upgraded locales
20:13<george>oh, upgrading sid :)
20:13[~]jae will have to stop ranting here...
20:13<jello>jae: you can just search dpkg.log...
20:14<george>giving you newer stuff with a better chance that no one knows anything about them
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20:15<jello>jae: looking at the changelog.Debian, it looks like this was messed with in 2.7-2
20:19<jae>The previous version I had installed was 2.7-1, so 2.7-2 could be the culprit
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20:20<jello>jae: you could try downgrading to 2.7-1 and then upgrading and see if you lose the locales again...
20:20<george>I'm trying to find people that have tried "second life" under debian
20:23<Solver>Crossfire! Crossfire! :)
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20:23<Solver>ok it isn;'t 2nd life but it is fun
20:23<jae>I have another box that still has 2.7-1, so I'll try there
20:24<jello>jae: good luck...
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20:24<jae>Of course, I'll record the configured locales first this time :)
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20:25<jello>heh, remember to reportbug if you manage to narrow it down!
20:27[~]Supaplex pokes xsane with a hot iron "Move it!"
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20:28<jae>Sure will... I just filed another one (actually, I reopened one that wasn't really fixed) today
20:28<jae>Different package though
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20:29<lupine_>hot irons hurt :(
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20:31<jae>Hmm, I wager it doesn't hit here... no_NO may have been selected on that other box, which did cause the bug that 2.7-2 supposedly fixed
20:32<jae>Yeah, it worked on this box, so the problem must have been the config on the other
20:33<george>the cold irony of hot irons
20:34<MikkLinux>hmmm where did the bot go?
20:35<george>try asking the people :)
20:35<MikkLinux>alright then.. anyone here use fluxbox?
20:36<george>nonono, your -question-
20:37<george>ooh,you're right, the bot's gone or something :)
20:37[~]MikkLinux is using etch on fluxbox - when using a terminal program that has a scroll bar if I maximize the terminal and then resize it back to the way it was I loose the scroll bar and sometimes what was in the window just leaves me with a blank terminal window again though the process is still there
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20:38<george>you mean fluxbox on etch maybe? :)
20:39<george>and what happens when you hit enter after you resize
20:39<MikkLinux>yes flubbox on etch
20:39<MikkLinux>hmm one second
20:39<Supaplex>time's up
20:40<MikkLinux>eh thats funny
20:40<MikkLinux>now it wants to work
20:40<MikkLinux>and will not allow itself to let me test enter
20:40<george>what does it want to work on? have you given it a project
20:40<MikkLinux>come on debian.. screw up will you? so I can prove a point
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20:41<MikkLinux>./FAH504-Linux.exe -verbosity 9 (running folding at home on it)
20:41[~]Supaplex redirects the hot poker into kmail
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20:42<george>duznt that mean pot in hawaian
20:43<Pakalolo>hello people, i'm from Brazil - Tem algum brasileiro conectado aqui?
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20:44<george>Pakalolo: there's brazilian channels... somewhere...
20:45<Pakalolo>It's my first time here - where can i find help for wireless cards?
20:45<Pakalolo>thanks for the information
20:45<george>what exactly is the problem
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20:45<simonrvn>aptitude: br
20:45<aptitude>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:46<Pakalolo>wow, thanks!
20:49<lindenle>Hi can someone help me figure out how to get apt-get working from behind a proxy?
20:50<Supaplex>are you setting http_proxy ftp_proxy HTTP_PROXY and FTP_PROXY? some apps want lowercase, others only uppercase.
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20:51<lindenle>i tried the lowercase but, mostly I am not sure what the proxy really is, it is a pac file for setting it automatically
20:51<MikkLinux>just wondering how come you wish to use a proxy for the apt-get stuff.. usually a direct connection gives you the fastest download speed
20:52<lindenle>I am forced to use a proxy, by the IT here
20:52<Supaplex>lindenle: grab the pac file manually, and set it by hand. man apt.conf for some more details
20:52<lindenle>I have the pac file
20:52<lindenle>and I think I have the right proxy from the file
20:53<lindenle>but not sure how to test to make sure that I am using the right proxy
20:53<lindenle>basically not sure where the problem is
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20:53<Supaplex>describe the symptoms
20:53<lindenle>just sits and sits and sits
20:53<lindenle>maybe if I can get dillo or something working with proxy then i will be sure that it is correct
20:54<Supaplex>you could test with wget
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20:54<lindenle>ok how?
20:54<MikkLinux>wget fileonthenet.tar.gz
20:54<lindenle>ight but what environment variable does wget read for proxy
20:55<Supaplex>http_proxy= wget
20:55<lindenle>ok trying
20:55<Supaplex>use your proxy where is
20:56<lindenle>yeah that worked
20:56<lindenle>but when i try this
20:56<lindenle>sudo http_proxy=<proxy> apt-get update
20:57<lindenle>I get an error about not being able to set the variable
20:57<lindenle>ut when i become root it works!!!
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21:01<george>well you can't run apt-get except as root anyway
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21:02<stew>apt-get source doesn't need root
21:02<george>is that what he wants
21:02<george>I didn't see that part, sorry
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21:03<george>but the update needs root
21:03<Droo>Sorry to bother, but I've got a question a
21:03<george>is it bigger than a breadbox??!
21:04<george>is it all part of the infinite game?
21:04<george>Droo: just ask your question... specific informative concise complete
21:04<Droo>sorry, typin it up
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21:05<MikkLinux>if netstat (linux) = netstat (windows) then what is mem (windows) = ????
21:06<MikkLinux>mem equiv for debian?
21:06<Droo>Sorry to bother, but I've got a quesion about a server that just borked today. I did a dist-upgrade on an etch server and recieved a kernel update (whose version I can't recall). All was well for about 5 hours till in the middle of untarring an archive I got errors about not bein able to write to disk. Sometime in the middle of the operation the root (and only) partition got remounted read...
21:06<Droo>...only. I fscked it and uncovered/fixed a bunch of errors some of which were in the newly untarred files, but others in old, unchanged files. I'm wondering what could cause the file system to go crazy all of a sudden. I don't have physical access and can't ssh in, so the guys at the colo are trying to fix it. I was wondering if you all had any ideas.
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21:07<Droo>the ssh session dropped at one point and I can't connect to it while the FS is RO apparently since SSH needs temp files I assume
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21:10<Droo>I can't really see what's going on exactly right now, since I don't have physical access but I tried to remount the FS after the fsck with mount and the -n flag which just kicked me off. A server reboot didn't bring it back up either. Thanks in advance for any help
21:10<stew>Droo: it could be that a hard drive was failing
21:11<Droo>I was hoping not to hear that :)
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21:21<Droo>well thanks, apparently another fsck and a reboot fixed it, time to back it up and do some hardware tests unfortunately
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21:47<cedetec>Could anybody help me ?
21:47<cedetec>I cant install my debian...
21:48<cedetec>I download the system from the website
21:48<george>what exactly did you download?
21:48<george>(perhaps if you could say exactly where and exactly what name)
21:48<cedetec>i downloaded 3 iso
21:48<george>oh man :)
21:49<george>is big
21:49<cedetec>3 alpha debian
21:49<george>you have a dec alpha?
21:49<cedetec>and i put it at a dvd
21:49<cedetec>let me explain the problem
21:50<cedetec>i put the system at a dvd with nero
21:50<george>ok, go
21:50<cedetec><>-Solver-<>, i restarded my computer
21:50<cedetec>and the dvd didnt do the boot
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21:51<george>do you have cd blanks?
21:51<cedetec>i already configured the setup to intialize with cd/dvd rom
21:52<cedetec>yes, i have 4 dvd blanks here
21:52<george>there should be dvd isos too (that are supposed to boot properly, etc)
21:53<chealer>cedetec: what's the CPU's architecture?
21:53<cedetec>i have the iso's here in my HD
21:53<Supaplex>did you review the install guide? each arch has it own steps to follow
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21:54<cedetec>where can i find the review guide?
21:54<Supaplex>aptitude: i-g
21:54<aptitude>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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21:55<cedetec>do u think that i should burn the isos again?
21:55<chealer>cedetec: if you don't answer questions, don't expect yours to be answered.
21:56<cedetec>sorry, chealer
21:57<george>you have a dec alpha?
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21:57<cedetec>Notebook Acer 5570 2607 Intel Pentium dual - core processor t2080
21:57<cedetec>1.73 Ghz
21:57<george>what are these "debian alpha" isos?
21:58<george>chealer: I can probably handle it for awhile
22:00<cedetec>the debian alpha is...
22:00<cedetec>[ ] debian-40r1-alpha-DVD-1.iso 19-Aug-2007 15:42 4.3G
22:00<cedetec>[ ] debian-40r1-alpha-DVD-2.iso 19-Aug-2007 15:45 4.4G
22:00<cedetec>[ ] debian-40r1-alpha-DVD-3.iso 19-Aug-2007 15:48 3.8G
22:00<george>ok let me check that out
22:00<george>pleez not to flooood :)
22:01<george>np, just a good habit which would apply more if there were more than just this conversation
22:02<george>ok, checking...
22:02<george>ok you actually want...
22:03<george>well -probably- you want this:
22:05<george>but try just the first iso
22:05<george>see if it boots
22:05<cedetec>i will dowload the first one
22:05<george>if so install from that
22:05<cedetec>thanks, george
22:06<george>once you have installed system, then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to not pull packages from the dvd (instead just from net)
22:07<george>and yes I know you have a 64bit processor and this is 32-bit debian... but... some packages won't compile in 64bit
22:08<george>so that's why I say -probably- you want i386
22:08<cedetec>i think that i hav a 32bits one
22:09<george>if so that would be even more reason :)
22:09<george>but I thought all thease dual core daalies were 64b
22:09<cedetec>how can i see the word of my processor?
22:09<cedetec>i dont know , if mine is 32
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22:10<george>not sure... but once you boot the installer you should be able to start a shell and type: cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:10<cedetec>i just thought that my processor was 32bits
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22:10<george>did they make you buy two equal ram sticks?
22:11<skyfalcon866>is dpkg here
22:11<george>dpkg: are you here??
22:11<george>hmm, guess not... you could ask the humans questions
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22:13<cedetec>i think that dual core works with 32 bits and 64 too...
22:13<george>so do I
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22:13<george>and some debian software is broken when trying to compile under 64bit
22:14<george>so that's why I pointed you at 32
22:14<george>if you really want 64 anyway...
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22:17<george>it's the amd64 one (NOT ia64, that;s some special thing)
22:17<george>I chose amd64 and changed my mind... I still haven't gotten the 32b os yet
22:18<george>(that is... I changed my mind all right, but haven't done the work yet)
22:19<george>it's near impossble to change archs
22:20<george>now having said you probably want the i386 arch, that doesn't mean you can't use amd64 kernels
22:20<george>but get to that part later :)
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22:21<george>it's easy to install additional kernels, especially under grub
22:24<stew>cedetec: your machine is only a 32 but machine anyway
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22:24<stew>err 32 bit machine rather
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22:26<george>stew: oh... whew... good thing I pointed him there!
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22:30<cedetec>i am downloading that part ;)
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22:32<erdostom>can anyone plz help me with nvidia+etch troubles?
22:33<erdostom>after installing newest nvidia drivers x will not start...
22:33<erdostom>works fine w/vesa
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22:38<george>erdostom: what about nv driver?
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22:39<erdostom>also doesn't work
22:39<george>in what way?
22:40<erdostom>can't find the screen.. let me get exact error msg
22:40<george>you might have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:41<erdostom>i did that
22:41<erdostom>no devices detected for nv
22:41<george>ahh, so nv doesn't see the card?
22:41<erdostom>i guess
22:43<erdostom>i don't think it supports my card - GF8600 gts
22:43<erdostom>not in the list in xorg log
22:43<george>that could be
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22:44<george>ok, so in what way does (not nv but) nvidia driver not work?
22:44<erdostom>stops after loading glx
22:44<george>whole machine? locks up completely?
22:45<george>what if you arranged to not load glx?
22:45<erdostom>after going back with ctrlaltf1, it gives a segmentation fault msg
22:45<erdostom>let me try that
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22:46<erdostom>works when not loading that module
22:46<george>oh, ok...
22:47<erdostom>how can i make it work with glx?
22:47<george>so at least now you have two things: one, a working x with probably a fast driver... and two, a starting point to determine why things aren't working
22:47<george>well you have to find out why it doesn't work
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22:48<george>right now all you know is "it doesn't work" and that's not enuf info :)
22:48<erdostom>where should i look?
22:48<george>(opposite of TMI :)
22:48<erdostom>xorg log?
22:49<george>TMI is when you find out your neighbor eats tuna peanut butter catchup garlic ice cream with anchovies and feta cheese
22:49<erdostom>same version as nvidia driver..
22:49<erdostom>i do not want to know how one would find out about that :)
22:50<erdostom>besides thin walls by the bathroom
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22:50<george>oh, ok :)
22:50<george>bathroom?? oh, so that brings out some new possibilities...
22:51<erdostom>its not exactly as silent as dev/null
22:51<erdostom>anyways xorg log was not that informative (at least to me) about the glx error..
22:52<george>but there was something?
22:52<erdostom>disables 32-bit visuals, and last line is its initialization
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22:54<george>]myself, I won't be able to interpret the log... but you could see if there is a #nvidia here, or on freenode
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22:55<erdostom>thanks for the help
22:55<erdostom>you isolated the problem pretty well
22:56<erdostom>(whereas i've mucking around for hours :)
22:56<george>there's probably more mucking to do too
22:57<erdostom>feels like the bathroom... (with all the log files) doing forensics... on anchovies
22:57<erdostom>no nvidia here btw
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22:59<erdostom>one more question: does it matter if i installed nvidia-glx before the nvidia driver was properly configured?
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22:59<george>not sure... what happens if you do dpkg --configure --pending?
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23:00<george>hmm, so everything's configured
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23:01<erdostom>apparently not properly... :)
23:03<george>possible, but not too likely... they're probably both fairly simple packages
23:03<george>whose -installations- don't mutually depend
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23:04<chealer>erdostom: what do you mean by "the nvidia driver was properly configured"?
23:05<erdostom>to the best of my (noob) ability :)
23:05<erdostom>ran the newest version with different setups from nvidia
23:05<erdostom>the .run files
23:06<erdostom>also tried the auto-managing module version
23:06<erdostom>i did these steps after apt-getting nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev
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23:11<chealer>erdostom: oh. nvidia-installer isn't supported here.
23:12<erdostom>bug seems to be with the glx mod, not the installer
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23:13<chealer>erdostom: I mean, if you're using the nvidia driver directly from (so using nvidia-installer), they're not supported here.
23:13<wtfyo>so anyone know why my battery sucks on a t 43 p using xbuntu gutsy?
23:14<chealer>wtfyo: what do you mean by "your battery sucks"?
23:14<Supaplex>wtfyo: topic :)
23:15<wtfyo>i mean that the battery isn't lasting as long as it did under windows ..
23:15<erdostom>:) thx for the help anyway.. at least x is working with nvidia driver
23:15<wtfyo>its lacking approx 30-40 mins of power
23:15<chealer>wtfyo: you mean "Ubuntu gutsy", right?
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23:16<Supaplex>cWe_maWar: no.way
23:16<wtfyo>yes but its xbuntu with xfce as a window manager
23:16<wtfyo>no gnome
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23:17<chealer>wtfyo: do you mean Xubuntu? anyway, if you're not asking about Debian, your question is offtopic here.
23:17<wtfyo>sorry yea
23:17<wtfyo>and my bad see ya
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23:27<lindenle>Hi does anyone know a good tool for managing *restarting etc. ssh tunnels
23:27<hazard2>if you don't mention that its different...usually nobody notices...(I ask questions in a gentoo channel when working on debian all the time)
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23:31<gsimmons>lindenle: You might be interested in the 'autossh' package.
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23:32<lindenle>gsimmons: i will look
23:34<lindenle>that looks like just the ticket
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23:56<lindenle>ok so one more question (autossh is awesome it seems) can I specify a user name by the port in .ssh/config
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23:58<gsimmons>lindenle: Sure, use the 'User' keyword. ssh_config(5) has more details about it.
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