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00:04<lindenle>Can you specify username by port number inssh_config?
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00:07<lindenle>i.e. I have like 40 ssh tunnels and some of them use a different user name...and i would like to automate it ;).
00:08<k-man>lindenle, do you mean like ssh
00:08<k-man>i just reread what you wrote
00:08<nick_>hey, does anyone know if you have to restart your mysql server onces you make changes to the my.cnf configuration file?
00:08<k-man>lindenle, just ignore me
00:08<lindenle>k-man: no like I have ssh -NL 2222:bob:22 tom
00:09<lindenle>ans i want ssh -p2222 localhost to know what username for bob not tom
00:09<k-man>no idea, sorry lindenle
00:09<lindenle>Did that make sense thought? What I am trying to say/
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00:10<lindenle>Basically the question is "Does Host in config take a port?"
00:11<lindenle>I guess I can just try it
00:13<lindenle>Do the ssh guys have an IRC channel?
00:15<posix>anyone know of a linux client that can accept windows remote assistance invites?
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00:26<k-man>lindenle, try #ssh on freenode
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00:31<GhostlyDeath>!damn X
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00:39<nick_>i like big debians and I can not lie
00:39<nick_>i won't even try
00:39<nick_>man do I have a nice tie
00:39<nick_>oh did you just sigh?
00:39<nick_>are you annoyed, please don't tell me goodbye
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00:53<Solver>GoinEasy9: I love X
00:53[~]Solver gives X a big kiss :)
00:53<GoinEasy9>hope it's a wet
00:54<jochieng>nasty debs
00:54<Solver>ok, on that note, I sleep :)
00:54<Solver>night :)
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00:55<jochien1>hello ppl
00:55<jochien1>wats cracking?
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02:25<predder><jochien1> wats cracking? <-- cracking is removing copyright measures from software or bypassing security
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02:50<JYL57>Hello Debian world !
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03:02<jamesstilwell3rd>does debian allow "commercial" projects to sync to its mirrors?
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03:13<N1ghtCrawler>when I tries to connect to my ftp extrenally i get an errormessage "Failed to recive directory listing" But it works fine locally. I'm running vsftpd. Someone got a clue what the problem is?
03:15<yang>N1ghtCrawler: #vsftpd
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03:16<yang>N1ghtCrawler: #vsftpd @
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03:39<cievo>no problems to solve? :)
03:39<MayskiyJuk>I've got one
03:39<cievo>hehe, let's see it :)
03:40<MayskiyJuk>aha. can't mount ext3 partitions when starting the system
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03:40<MayskiyJuk>root bin and usr are reiserfs
03:40<cievo>What do you receive? Any error?
03:40<MayskiyJuk>mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext3'
03:41<MayskiyJuk>seems like kernel modules died
03:41<MayskiyJuk>yesterday it worked
03:41<cievo>did you have ext3 like module or compiled into kernel?
03:42<MayskiyJuk>yes it was, honestly i'm trying to find it out
03:43<cievo>Can you have a look in to /proc/filesystems ?
03:43<cievo>There you should see all filesystems that your system supports.
03:44<MayskiyJuk>there is no ext3 :(
03:44<MayskiyJuk>should I reinstall kernel?
03:44<cievo>when you do 'lsmod', do you see module called ext3 there?
03:45<MayskiyJuk>no there isn't
03:45<cievo>try: insmod ext3
03:45<cievo>modprobe ext3
03:45<MayskiyJuk>insmod: can't read 'ext3': No such file or directory
03:46<MayskiyJuk>FATAL: Module ext3 not found.
03:46<cievo>uname -a
03:46<cievo>what version of kernel do you have?
03:46<MayskiyJuk>Linux zs-71-04-a 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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03:46<cievo>cd /lib/modules/{VERSION OF KERNEL}/kernel ....
03:46<MayskiyJuk>it's from Etch
03:47<cievo>/lib/modules/{VERSION OF KERNEL}/kernel/fs/ext3/
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03:47<cievo>Look if you have that directory...
03:47<cievo>And if you do, if you have anything in it.
03:48<MayskiyJuk>yes i have this directory and file ext3.ko
03:48<cievo>do to that directory...
03:48<cievo>and try: insmod ext3.ko :)
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03:48<MayskiyJuk>insmod: error inserting 'ext3.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
03:48<cievo>or just isnmod ext3 in that directory....
03:49<MayskiyJuk>insmod: can't read 'ext3': No such file or directory
03:50<cievo>what does "dmesg | grep ext3" give you?
03:50<MayskiyJuk>many lines like: ext3: Unknown symbol journal_force_commit
03:50<MayskiyJuk>ext3: Unknown symbol journal_dirty_data
03:50<MayskiyJuk>and so on
03:51<cievo>Are you sure you entered into correct directory for KERNEL VERSION?
03:51<cievo>It looks that ext3.ko file was not compiled for your kernel.
03:51<MayskiyJuk>I entered to that I've got from uname -a
03:51<cievo>And why don;t you compile kernel yourself?
03:53<cievo>try do: modinfo ext3.ko
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03:53<MayskiyJuk>It work fine until today
03:53<MayskiyJuk>filename: ext3.ko
03:53<MayskiyJuk>author: Remy Card, Stephen Tweedie, Andrew Morton, Andreas Dilger, Theodore Ts'o and others
03:53<MayskiyJuk>description: Second Extended Filesystem with journaling extensions
03:53<MayskiyJuk>license: GPL
03:53<MayskiyJuk>vermagic: 2.6.18-4-686 SMP mod_unload 686 REGPARM gcc-4.1
03:53<MayskiyJuk>depends: mbcache,jbd
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03:54<cievo>But interesting...
03:55<cievo>I think that you already rebooted machine - won't help, just question.
03:55<MayskiyJuk>:) what happened to it. I'm surprised
03:55<MayskiyJuk>3 times, no result ;(
03:56<jochieng>hello -- how do i install the xserver.. apt-get install xserver-xorg & aptitude install kde-desktop will help? Sorry to just bump in.
03:56<cievo>Do you have modules mbcache and jbd loaded?
03:56<cievo>lsmod | grep jbd
03:56<cievo>lsmod | grep mbcache
03:57<cievo>jochieng: should help ;)
03:57<MayskiyJuk>not loaded both
03:57<cievo>try to load them...
03:57<cievo>with modprobe
03:59<jochieng>cievo i wish i knew what is needed maybe i would :-)
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04:00<cievo>jochieng: install xserver-xfree86 and then KDE, GNOME or whatever you want
04:00<cievo>MayskiyJuk: any result?
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04:01<MayskiyJuk>Yes! I loaded it all ext3 mbcache and jbd manually
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04:01<jochieng>cievo isnt xfree86 the same as xserver-xorg? why would u recommend xfree86.although i can google this but hey we all need the simples :-)
04:02<cievo>MayskiyJuk: so ext3 is functional now?
04:02<MayskiyJuk>cievo How to make them load when starting the computer
04:02<MayskiyJuk>cievo yes it is
04:03<cievo>MayskiyJuk: do to file /etc/modules
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04:03<MayskiyJuk>and now I'm trying to start loop module too this way
04:03<cievo>MayskiyJuk: and type them module per line.
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04:04<cievo>jochieng: I don't know package xserver-xorg, but you if you know if, you can use it :)
04:04<MayskiyJuk>cievo thanks a lot, you are the true friend :)
04:04<jochieng>thanks cievo for the insight
04:04<jochieng>let me google abit about both
04:05<cievo>MayskiyJuk: No problem, any time. Just try if it helps or not.
04:05<cievo>jochieng: oki, please, share your knowledge with us afterwards :)
04:06<MayskiyJuk>cievo this is very good chanel. I'm at a first time here
04:06<jochieng>ok will do
04:07<cievo>MayskiyJuk: :-)
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04:07<cievo>MayskiyJuk: I'm first time here after two years :)
04:08<cievo>MayskiyJuk: missed this channel.
04:08<chandu>can anyone give me some link on "How to setup IPV6 network on Linux"
04:08<cievo>chandu: Welcome.
04:08<MayskiyJuk>cievo :) do you use unstable debian?
04:08<cievo>chandu: did you try to ask gooole for it?
04:09<chandu>Yes I tried , I am not getting the good one
04:09<cievo>chandu: it's have to just compile support for IPv6 into kernel (or create modules)... :)
04:09<cievo>chandu: download some network tools for ipv6...ping6 and so on :)
04:09<chandu>2.6 kernel is having ipv6 modules
04:10<cievo>MayskiyJuk: I hate unstable things :) On servers I use stable things :) It's better to use older and stable things :)
04:10<MayskiyJuk>cievo how do you think what happened to kernel modules?
04:10<cievo>chandu: do you know how to compile kernel?
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04:10<chandu>Yes I know
04:11<chandu>IPv6 modules are already available in my system , so I think no need of kernel compilation
04:11<cievo>MayskiyJuk: I have no idea...are you sure that you haven't upgraded machine, or you don't have cron job that upgrades machine automatically???
04:11<MayskiyJuk>cievo nfs and iso9660 the same thing ... trying to load them :)
04:11<cievo>chandu: idd, so what do we need now? Did you install module into system (insmod, modprobe)...?
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04:12<cievo>MayskiyJuk: That's why I don't like modules. I compile everything into kernel...only when I need to pass some arguments to modules, I use modules.
04:13<chandu>cievo, I need to know, just having IPV6 modules inserted is enough for IPV6 netrwork or do I need to do something else
04:13<cievo>MayskiyJuk: Because I don't see other good reason to use modules.
04:13<cievo>chandu: that's all...
04:13<chandu>cievo, ok ..
04:13<cievo>chandu: try to check ifconfig if you see IPv6 address...
04:13<chandu>cievo, I can see IPV6 address, but I dont think its a global address
04:13<cievo>chandu: and under /proc/net you should see some new files with "6" on the end.
04:14<chandu>cievo, ok
04:14<MayskiyJuk>cievo I should learn how to compile it ... Where to get standard config file to start with
04:14<cievo>chandu: you should see IPv6 address starting with "fe80::", it's local IPv6 address...
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04:15<cievo>MayskiyJuk: I can send you one :-D, or you can start from scratch.
04:15<chandu>cievo, ok
04:15<MayskiyJuk>cievo yesterday I just installed stardict via aptitude. thats all
04:15<cievo>MayskiyJuk: and what about stardict? :)
04:16<MayskiyJuk>cievo no from scratch. I will be very thankful if you send it to me
04:16<MayskiyJuk>cievo it works :)
04:16<cievo>MayskiyJuk: mmmnt...I will publish it.
04:17<MayskiyJuk>cievo ok. I'm rebooting
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04:26<[gloom]>hi. I used lilo for some time, and I had the parameter vga=791. Now I'm using grub. Where shoud I set this paremeter??
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04:33<jochieng>gloom try google for your vga parameter in grub
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04:35<MayskiyJuk>cievo are you here?
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04:41<[gloom]>yes, it's solved thx
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04:57<veni>hi all
04:57<veni>i am trying to compile the gnome-applets source, and building the package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfaekroot -us -uc -sa
04:57<veni>but its throwing an error mesasge like "configure: error: could not make ./config.status
04:57<veni>what must be the problem?
04:58<veni>my config.log file is here
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05:01<[gloom]>is there a way to know under the console (without X support) to see it the two cores are being used?
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05:05<koollman>[gloom]: top or programs showing cpu activity (htop, vmstat, dstat, ...)
05:06<[gloom]>yes I tried top, but only shows percentage. I want my computer to tell me : I have 2 cpu!
05:06<[gloom]>and i'm using them:D
05:07<petemc>run top, press 1
05:08<[gloom]>aha, perfect
05:08<petemc>you dont need to do that with htop..
05:08<[gloom]>i tried htop, but it's not in my system. I will install the package
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05:11<simonrvn>aptitude: release notes
05:11<aptitude>simonrvn: I give up, what is it?
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05:17<veni>compilation of gnome-applets is throwing error message as follows
05:17<veni>configure: creating ./config.status
05:17<veni>configure: error: could not make ./config.status
05:17<veni>make: *** [config.status] Error 1
05:17<veni>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
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05:17<veni>what must be the problem ?
05:18<azeem>veni: disk full?
05:18<azeem>veni: another config.status owned by somebody else exists already?
05:18<veni>azeem, no, i have enough space
05:18<azeem>what does touch ./config.status say?
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05:18<cievo>all..hello, I'm back ;)
05:18<veni>there is no other config.status
05:19<cievo>Can I help somehow?
05:19<veni>it also throws the same error
05:19<veni>instead its deleting which ever created
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05:19<azeem>veni: huh?
05:19<azeem>what is "it"?
05:19<veni>the one which i pasted above
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05:20<veni>azeem, configure: error: could not make ./config.status
05:20<azeem>11:14 < azeem> what does touch ./config.status say?
05:20<azeem>or is config.status not in your current directory?
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05:21<veni>after i executed the touch config.status
05:21<veni>i got another error message
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05:21<azeem>which is?
05:21<veni>GCONF_DISABLE_MAKEFILE_SCHEMA_INSTALL=1 /usr/bin/make -C .
05:21<veni>make[1]: Entering directory `/root/Desktop/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-2.18.0'
05:21<veni>make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
05:21<veni>make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/Desktop/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-2.18.0'
05:21<veni>make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build] Error 2
05:21<veni>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
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05:22<azeem>veni: what does ls -l config.status say?
05:22<veni>it deleted the config.status
05:22<veni>there is no such file now
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05:24<veni>so the old error message still exist
05:25<cievo>all...just dump do I close private chat in irssi?
05:25<azeem>cievo: /unquery
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05:26<cievo>azeem: thank you :)
05:28<veni>azeem, i dont want invest applet to be generated from gnome-applets soruce
05:28<veni>for that edited the configure script
05:29<veni>and make the build invest chart to false
05:29<veni>and so so
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05:29<azeem>veni: and *then* the build failed?
05:30<veni>is there any other yes
05:30<veni>azeem, sorry
05:30<veni>wring message
05:30<[gloom]>can anyone tell me wich is the nvidia binary driver for the 2.6.22 kernel? I have both 2.6.22-686 kernel and a custom one, and when I try to install the nvidia binary driver it tryies to install me another kernel image 2.6
05:30<veni>yes after that build failed
05:30<azeem>veni: well, then we can safely assume that you broke the configure script
05:30<veni>azeem, yes
05:30<azeem>veni: don't edit configure, edit and rerun autoconf
05:31<[gloom]>as a dependency
05:31<veni>azeem, ok
05:32<cievo>[gloom]: apt-search show ... look for dependencies
05:32<cievo>[gloom]: apt-cache show ... :)
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05:34<[gloom]>yes. Maybe I'm not explaining myself. It seems there's no kernel driver for the image linux-image-2.6.22-686, only for the image linux-image-2.6. So when I try to install the driver, it need the other image (linux-image2.6) that I don't want to install because I have the linux-image2.6.22-6866
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05:35<[gloom]>hehe 6866, bcecause my cpu is very very advanced:D
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05:36<cievo>[gloom]: why don't you just download package and install it with dpkg? :)
05:36<[gloom]>so is better to download it from the nvidia site?
05:36<azeem>cievo: because that's discouraged
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05:36<[gloom]>than use the one in the repository?
05:37<azeem>linux-image2.6 is a meta-package anyway
05:37<[gloom]>aha, great then. I will intall it then
05:38<veni>again i got the error, but a different one
05:39<veni>azeem, i need help in removing the invest chart to be built by gnome-applets pacakge
05:40<azeem>cievo: don't do that
05:40<azeem>veni: you could try to ask in #gnome on
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05:40<cievo>azeem: I just tried another command I didn't know.
05:41<azeem>cievo: usually people are banned from this channel when doing this
05:41<azeem>cievo: so please do your irc testing in test channel
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05:41<cievo>azeem: what is a purpose for that command?
05:41<weasel>cievo: don't. do. that. or else.
05:41<weasel>if you want to play, play on your own test channel.
05:41<azeem>cievo: also, read the documentation
05:41<cievo>all...ok, oki :)
05:41<cievo>I'm sorry :)
05:42<veni>azeem, ok
05:42<cievo>I didn't want to obsete you :)
05:42<cievo>azeem: where do you I find docs?
05:42<azeem>cievo: try to do some research yourself first
05:42<azeem>I don't know anyway
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05:45<cievo>identify poklopka
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05:49<weasel>cievo: if you just gave your password to the channel I suggest you change it real quick.
05:50<serge>hello! How can I reconfigure my PCI multiport card. The cat /proc/tty/driver/serial shows: 1: uart:16550A port:00003000 irq:11 tx:0 rx:0 DSR. When I connect my serial gadget to this port ttyS1 it doesn't work, while it works ok at ttyS0. Are there any ways to reconfig it to port:000002F8 irq:3 ?
05:52<cievo>weasel: can I be on more thatn one IRC server?
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05:52<JasonS>cievo: yes
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05:53<azeem>cievo: this channel is for Debian support. For general irc questions, ask elsewhere
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05:53<cievo>azeem: you are very friendly.
05:54<weasel>he is also very right.
05:59<cievo>seeya guys
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06:12<Gekz>I have a problem, I didn't clear the apt-cache before starting to upgrade to lenny from etch, and now I'm out of space in /var xD, is there a quick way I can remove all the etch packages without removing the lenny ones i've already downlaoded?
06:13<azeem>Gekz: no need to ask in both chans
06:13<Gekz>sorry lol
06:13<Gekz>I kinda need an answer quickly :(
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06:15<azeem>Gekz: so you think it's fine to let people waste time to write up an answer if somebody else possibly solved your problem in the other chan already?
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07:32<user512>Hi, I`ve got a problem with configuring touch screen at fujitsu FMV=650 can anyone help me please?
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07:32<user512>in fact I can't even start it to work...
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07:48<user512>Can anybodu help me ??
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07:50<gamog>i just configured wlan0 using System > Administration > Networking, but I can't see the details I have entered in /etc/network/interfaces. in /etc/network/interfaces there are only two lines: "auto lo; iface lo inet loopback"
07:50<sep>user512, your question have way to little detail for anyone to answer it.
07:51<sep>gamog, interfaces file is only used for static configs. fancy gui tools have their own magic
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07:52<gamog>I want to modify, compile and test kernel. what emulator would be good?
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07:53<themill>gamog: qemu with kqemu or kvm are common ways.
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07:53<gamog>what is the difference between qemu and kqemu?
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07:54<azeem>gamog: did you try to research that yourself before asking?
07:55<gamog>azeem: oh you are here also. yes, I got a huge list of emulators, so i thought I would ask what is a good one to start with
07:55<azeem>gamog: eh, did you try to research what is the difference between qemu and kqemu?
07:55<gamog>azeem: no.
07:55<azeem>because if you had, you would see that your question makes no sense at all
07:55<gamog>azeem: ok
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08:00<user512>Can anybody say where i can fint HOWto on setting up touch screen at Fujitsu FMV-650? I ve tried to search myself but it seems to be possible only in japanise... that's the problem :)
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08:28<WhyACow>my lost+found dir is currently 220GB, does anyone know of a way to figure out what all teh files are easily?
08:28<riboflavin>i was searching on the google about yahoo messenger that can view webcam.. and i saw gaim-vv..however i cannot install it..can someone help me with it?
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08:29<JasonS>riboflavin: why cant you install it
08:29<riboflavin>Package gaim-vv is not available, but is referred to by another package.
08:29<riboflavin>etc etc
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08:33<Ikarus>I need to find a ASUS Wl-500 Premium
08:33<Ikarus>and toss in a pair of USB sticks and install Debian on it
08:33<Ikarus>to replace my whole P1 233MMX server
08:33<riboflavin>do i need to add certain url into the sources.list before i apt-get install gaim-vv ?
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08:42<vir182>i forgot it again how to retrieve the original (updaotda) configureation files of a package ... dpkg, apt-get ... somewho i can not dint the right option to overvwirte my configuration
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08:43<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
08:43<vir182>can anyone tell me how i install the configiration file of a package when i screed up installation?
08:43<themill>aptitude: welcome
08:43<aptitude>Thank you, themill.
08:44<themill>stew: thanks! A bot to play with.... ;)
08:44<stew>the factoids had gotten wiped in preparation from a new snapshot. but no new snapshot is available
08:45<stew>and the dental floss of shell scripting that it is held together by snapped
08:45[~]themill hands stew some gaffer tape (perl :)
08:46<themill>aptitude: tell vir182 about confmiss
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08:46<stew>blootbot is great if you got a masters degree in mid 90s era perl
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08:46<vir182>stew: thx that what i was searching for
08:46<themill>vir182: it's not missing...but if you rm it then it will be
08:46<vir182>i did ;-)
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08:54<discjet>anyone alive?
08:55<JasonS>discjet: nope
08:55<discjet>im trying to dl debian - never used b4
08:55<riboflavin>why i cannot use ./configure ?
08:55<discjet>and i got a coupla q's
08:55<discjet>do i need all 21 iso's?
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08:55<themill>discjet: no. you only need the netinstall which will then download just the bits you want.
08:55<JasonS>discjet: no
08:56<themill>aptitude: netinstall
08:56<aptitude>rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
08:56<WhyACow>my lost+found dir is currently 220GB, does anyone know of a way to figure out what all teh files are easily?
08:56<themill>stew: what's aptitude's trigger?
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08:56<discjet>i have dsl
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09:00<stew>&nutsmite themill
09:00<stew>possibly nothing
09:00<themill>~ test
09:00<themill>% test
09:00<stew>it would be & if anything
09:01<themill>shall we go through all the punctuation on the kb?
09:01<stew>we shall not
09:01<themill>thanks anyway... ;) unfortunately there's another nik here with aptitu* :(
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09:01<themill>just makes the tab completion a little annoying so I was looking for a short trigger.
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09:03<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
09:03<stew>&veggiesmite themill
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09:04<themill>aptitude: gentoosmite stew
09:04<aptitude>wish i knew, themill
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09:04<stew>its just busted; and its going to stay like that for today
09:04<themill>stew: that's fine. Don't stress.
09:05<themill>stew: How did the iwl go? (or is that later today still)
09:05<stew>in 1 hour
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09:22<XTF>Hi. How do I rm <file> and ignore a file does not exist error (but not any other errors)?
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09:23<avu>XTF: -f maybe?
09:23<avu>XTF: ignore nonexistent files, never prompt
09:25<sep>XTF, i'd just check if file exsisted first.
09:26<XTF>avu: Ah, thanks.
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10:13<ChaosR>how could I reinstall debian with only network access, so no keyboards, mouse or screen attached
10:13<ChaosR>I only need to reinstall all the packages
10:14<ChaosR>it kinda messed up with sid, so I need lenny
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10:14<petemc>why not try to fix what you broke, you might learn something
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10:14<ChaosR>if I knew what was wrong :S
10:15<petemc>dpkg isnt in the channel
10:15<petemc>aptitude: hello
10:15<ChaosR>aptitude: reinstall
10:15<aptitude>hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install
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10:16<ChaosR>I can't even install aptitude
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10:18<ChaosR>aptitude: downgrade
10:18<aptitude>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
10:18<JasonS>ChaosR: backup and reinstall, or figure out what you broke
10:18<ChaosR>I broke it using sid
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10:18<ChaosR>and backup and reinstall might be a problem
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10:19<ChaosR>is there a way to do a remote install?
10:19<petemc>yes, but its not straight forward
10:20<petemc>if you're looking for an easy way out, and you can only do shit remotely, you're probably out of luck
10:20<petemc>if you can still access the machine, fixing it is your best bet
10:20<ChaosR>I suppose
10:20<giant>most remote reinstall setups I can think of would require initial physical access to the machine
10:20<ChaosR>that is possible
10:21<ChaosR>but monitor access might be a problem
10:21<petemc>you could do funky stuff with debootstrap
10:21<petemc>just fix it!
10:21<giant>I was thinking of telling it to pull an install image from the network... like you would with ghost
10:21<petemc>the idea of just reinstalling when you get stuck isnt a good attitude
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10:22<ChaosR>fixing it is going to be, difficult
10:22<ChaosR>like I said, I need to downgrade to lenny
10:22<giant>no it isn't... but keeping clean backups before you install software, and periodically any other time is a good idea
10:22<petemc>so is anything else, by the sounds of it
10:22<giant>and if you royally bugger something, you can revert to a known god image
10:22<ChaosR>so that would means apt-get removing->install everything
10:23<petemc>no, that would be pretty much impossible
10:23<giant>isn't there a tool to downgrade
10:23<ChaosR>see, reinstall is the only solution
10:23<petemc>if you say so
10:23<ChaosR>or wait till sid moved completely into lenny
10:23<ChaosR>that would work too
10:23<ChaosR>but that takes too long
10:23<petemc>that wil never happen
10:24<ChaosR>is there a way to do the installation trough ssh with some fany command on the boot disk
10:24<ChaosR>I could probably memorize the command
10:24<ChaosR>I suppose not?
10:25<petemc>there is
10:25<petemc>d-i has whats called network console
10:25<petemc>i suspect its beyond your comlexity horizon tho
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10:27<ChaosR>so, what I need to do is: 1. get a monitor to the server, or 2. get the server to a monitor
10:27<JasonS>3. stop running sid on servers
10:28<ChaosR>sometimes I require stuff from sid
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10:29<ChaosR>I wonder, isn't there a way chrooting and moving stuff around
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10:29<petemc>yes, this is not less complex than trying to fix your system tho
10:29<petemc>i wonder why i bother repeating myself
10:29<JasonS>petemc: good typing practice?
10:29<ChaosR>tell me how to fix my system?
10:30<ChaosR>I remember doing something like it installing gentoo
10:31<petemc>you havent said whats wrong
10:31<ChaosR>because I'm getting magic errors
10:31<ChaosR>and I know they'll disappear when I reinstall my server
10:32[~]JasonS wiggles his nose and fixes ChaosR busted box
10:32<JasonS>ChaosR: what errors all ready
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10:32<ChaosR>like when using wine on a running xserver, I get this error with a lot of debuggish junk: glxcmds.c:343: CreateContext: Assertion `mode != ((void *)0)' Assertion failed at address 0xffffe410 (thread 0009), starting debugger...
10:33<ChaosR>and when running deluge, It claims the bittorrent port is already taken, always
10:33[~]JasonS wonders why x and bittorrent are on a server but to each thier own
10:33<ChaosR>well, I needed x for bittorrent
10:34<petemc>no you dont
10:34<giant>u don't
10:34<ChaosR>and for wine
10:34<ChaosR>ok, I need a good nice working webui torrent client
10:35<giant>what about a nice cli client?
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10:37<ChaosR>ok, reinstall
10:37<petemc>good luck with that!
10:37<ChaosR>10 minutes work
10:37<ChaosR>once I get to my server
10:38<ChaosR>I could almost do it without a monitor
10:38<sascha>Hello there :-)
10:39<sascha>I have a small problem and maybe u guys can help me ... [its actually pretty serious]
10:39<ChaosR>don't ask to ask
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10:40<giant>a small bug can cause a huge problem
10:40<sascha>here we go: i'm running ubuntu [yes i know its a debian channel] and windows XP side by side ... now my xp got totally infected. actually the whole system is fucked up and my AV is attacking the system too. so is there a virus scanner for linux thta's able to scan windows partitons in ntfs?
10:41<sascha>giant: YES it can ^^
10:41<JasonS>should probibly ask in #ubuntu but clamav should be able to do what your after
10:42<ChaosR>or you could get a windows live cd
10:42<sascha>has clamAV windows virus def.files?
10:43<giant>the second comment mentions how his clamav found a virus on his winows partition
10:43<sascha>perfekt :-)
10:43<sascha>just read it :-) thanks a lot
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10:59<riboflavin>checking for gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8 gstreamer-control-0.8 >= 0.8... configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed !
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11:00<stew>themill: works. but for the wrong reasons
11:00<riboflavin>im trying to ./configure and make gst-jpeg2000 ..however that error appear
11:00<themill>stew: iwl?
11:01<riboflavin>what is gstreamer development packages?
11:02<cahoot>devel packages tend to have a -dev suffix
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11:08<stew>themill: yeah. somehow my MAC got deleted a few weeks ago which is what makde ipw stop working
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11:10<themill>stew: deleted from their list of authorized mac addresses? or local driver thoroughly confuzzled?
11:11<stew>themill: they deleted my MAC from the ap whitelist by mistake a while ago, which is why ipw stopped working. now both work
11:11<stew>themill: we just never thought of it as a possibility. dunno why someone would have deleted my MAC
11:12<themill>stew: you'd better hope that they weren't trying to give you a hint!
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11:17<etocka>whats up people?
11:18<cievo>etocka: nothing much, u?
11:18<etocka>im whaithing 4 3-d ultrasound
11:18<etocka>in the hospital
11:19<cievo>Are you pregnant?
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11:19<etocka>my girlfriend
11:19<cievo>I have two weeks old boy :)
11:19<cievo>When are you expecting baby?
11:20<etocka>cant wait
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11:20<etocka>we are haveing a girl
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11:21<cievo>etocka: what city from Croatia are you from?
11:21<cievo>etocka: I used to go for vacation on island Hvar.
11:22<etocka>whay do u think im from croatia?
11:22<etocka>im from slovenia :)
11:22<cievo>hmm...from /whois
11:22<cievo>You know what?
11:22<JasonS>cievo: server is in crotia
11:22<cievo>I'm from Slovakia
11:23<etocka>u know where is slovenia
11:23<cievo>When we ordered computes from Dell BE last time, those retards sent it to Slovenia :D
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11:23<cievo>Lasdt time server went to Spain and then to Slovakia :)
11:23<cievo>And of course, laptops came with Slovenian keyboards :D
11:23<cievo>Easy as Dell :D
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11:24<cievo>JasonS: thanks :)
11:24<etocka>did u return it
11:24<cievo>of course
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11:25<etocka>and they fix it
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11:25<cievo>But we looked like asshole sto our customers :)
11:25<cievo>Because customer never believes you :)
11:25<etocka>yes i knw
11:25<cievo>Because it sounded like made-up story :D
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11:26<etocka>i work in shop with computers
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11:27<etocka>and how was it on hvar?
11:27<etocka>i was there once
11:27<cievo>etocka: it was sweet :)
11:28<cievo>etocka: I love swimming, but here we don't have any sea :)
11:28<cievo>etocka: we should destroy hungary, fill their land with wather ... :)
11:29<etocka>nice plan
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11:30<cievo>oki guys :) I'm going off for a while...
11:30<etocka>we shuld also destroy croatia and took there sea
11:30<cievo>My son will get up in couple of minutes :)
11:30<cievo>etocka: :D
11:30<cievo>etocka: nice to talk to you :)
11:30<etocka>u 2
11:30<cievo>Peace out all ;)
11:30<livio>hi im new on ubutu, do u know how to install stuff from terminal?
11:30<cievo>etocka: and my fingers crossed for your baby :)
11:31<noflash>livio, #ubuntu
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11:31<JasonS>livio: /join #ubuntu
11:31<jakeriver> /j
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11:32<livio>damn can use this stuff
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11:38<JYL57>hi debian world !
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11:40<JYL57>Would like to know how to check, repair, reinstall my system files in order to boot from my partition I just mounted with a liveCD
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11:42<chealer>JYL57: which Debian suite is it?
11:42<JYL57>Is there a way to check the logg of my last unsuccessful boot ?
11:42<JYL57>I use Sarge
11:42<JYL57>But my liveCD is etch
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11:43<themill>which livecd is this?
11:43<azeem>JYL57: no
11:43<azeem>JYL57: because, AFAIK, the boot didn't go past the mounting root file system step
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11:44<azeem>so where should the logs be written to?
11:44<JYL57>ok azeem logical
11:44<chealer>JYL57: are you able to chroot in sarge?
11:44<JYL57>chealer: good question, I've to indicate a directory after chroot, which one ?
11:45<azeem>the one where you mounted the sarge install
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11:46<JYL57>azeem: it was 4 years ago... What is the normal name ?
11:46<azeem>"my partition I just mounted with a liveCD"
11:46<JYL57>I'm under mc and I can see lots of directories.
11:46<azeem>you don't know where you mounted it?
11:47<JYL57>azeem: I mounted it to a /mnt/mydir/
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11:47<JYL57>should I chroot to there ?!
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11:47<azeem>did I say something else?
11:48<azeem>17:41 < azeem> the one where you mounted the sarge install
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11:48<JYL57>azeem: I was unsure to understand your "sarge install"... ;-)
11:49<azeem>then ask back
11:49<JYL57>Ok let's try it
11:50<JYL57>it says : "/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
11:50<JYL57>this zsh is a shell I didn't use and which comes with my liveCD I suppose...
11:50<azeem>add a /bin/sh after the directory
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11:51<chealer>JYL57: huh, you're involuntarily using zsh on an Etch live CD :?
11:52<JYL57>result : chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/mydir/bin/sh: Not a directory
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11:53<azeem>JYL57: I said *after* the directory
11:53<azeem>JYL57: if you want help, you should pay a bit more attention to the people helping you
11:53<azeem>aptitude, hi
11:53<aptitude>niihau, azeem
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11:54<JYL57>[17:48] azeem: then ask back, what do you mean by *after* ?
11:55<azeem>JYL57: not instead or before. after.
11:55<azeem>chroot /mnt /bin/sh
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11:56<JYL57>same result with the command : chroot /mnt/bin/sh
11:56<azeem>did I write /mnt/bin/sh?
11:56<JYL57>oh sorry
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11:58<JYL57>Ok, "chroot /mnt /bin/sh " gives the same message...
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11:58<azeem>JYL57: did you mount your sarge install at /mnt?
11:59<Garp>Question: Firefox is eating a lot of RAM (several hundreds). Is it the same for you? Do you have any solution? I have to restart it every few days because of this. Thanks for any advice.
11:59<JYL57>yes, and I can see the /mnt/mydir/bin directory
11:59<azeem>what is mydir?
12:00<JYL57>that's the name of the directory I created before mounting, in SystemRecoveryCD they state explicitely not to mount directly to /mnt...
12:00<Garp>lol: I mean several hundreds of Mb.
12:00<azeem>JYL57: so why did you just say you mounted to /mnt?
12:01<azeem>17:54 < azeem> JYL57: did you mount your sarge install at /mnt?
12:01<azeem>17:55 < JYL57> yes,
12:01<themill>Garp: tends to use more RAM as time goes on. Stopping and restarting is helpful for this. Some extensions are a bit crappy and tend to leak some memory and that can hurt. Removing unneeded extensions is also another option for you.
12:01<JYL57>well /mnt subfolder you're right and I 'm sorry
12:01<themill>Garp: firefox* ....
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12:02<JYL57>but I tried also chroot /mnt/mydir /bin/sh and got the same result...
12:02<azeem>what is the error message?
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12:02<azeem>and what does ls -l /mnt/mydir/bin/sh say?
12:02<JYL57>No such file or directory
12:03<azeem>ls -l /mnt/mydir/bin/bash?
12:03<Garp>themill: thanks.
12:03<JYL57>the ls command answers : /mnt/mydir/bin/sh -> bash
12:04<azeem>JYL57: so use /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh
12:04<themill>Garp: np. starting up in safemode to see if that makes any difference can be helpful too.
12:04<Garp>themill: So I'm to restart it from time to time. I'm up to a point that I stop my proxy, start FF (all pages open in error) and the reactivate the proxy and refresh the page I want to read...
12:04<Garp>themill: I usually open a lot of windows and tabs
12:05<Garp>themill: some people, using FF on some proprietary OS that shouldnt be named told me that FF never used more than 30Mb of RAM, whatever they did....
12:05<Garp>themill: so I was a bit suprised.
12:05<JYL57>"chroot /mnt/mydir /bin/bash" gives "/bin/bash': No such file or directory
12:05<themill>Garp: bollox. they don't know how to read memory lists then
12:06<azeem>Garp: and they use it for several days at a time?
12:06<Garp>themill: basically, for me, it eat up RAM up to the limit.
12:06<azeem>JYL57: what does ls -l /mnt/mydir/bin/bash say ?
12:06<Garp>themill: I now nothing about that OS, so I have to belive them :(
12:06<Garp>azeem: I dunno.
12:06<themill>Garp: either that or they do what one of my non-too-technical colleagues does and start ff, look at 3 pages and no tabs then exits it so he can go and start tbird to check his email
12:07<JasonS>or they close the browser once in a while heh
12:07<themill>Garp: yuck. It shouldn't be that bad. I regularly kill ff either cleanly or with Ctrl+Shift+ESC and then just restart it with all tabs present and proxies working and they all reload without problems.
12:07<Garp>themill: they do, but it eat up like 300Mb just for a start.
12:08<Garp>themill: I have a lot of windows tabs. I would say 20 windows and 150 tabs total, something like that
12:08<JYL57>azeem: it says : "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 667180 Jan 22 2005 /mnt/mydir/bin/bash
12:08<themill>Garp: perhaps look at your plugins and extensions then... shouldn't be that bad. BTW are talking debian iceweasel of ff itself from mozco?
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12:08<Garp>themill: I have same behavior on debian, than on some RHE derivate we use at work
12:09<Garp>themill: basically no extension. I added one lately didnt modified things much.
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12:09<azeem>JYL57: then either you typoed the chroot command, or your system is very broken
12:09<themill>Garp: hmm.. I've never pushed it much beyond 4 windows and 100 tabs total and my core2duo with 2GB of ram was hurting by that stage. The windows themselves are probably heavier than tabs, so if you can use fewer windows and more tabs in each one then you might get some benefits.
12:09<Garp>themill: yes, I try but there have to be some organization ;)
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12:10<themill>Garp: heh... I found that loading up different sessions either using session manager extension or the bookmark all tabs in folder/open all tabs thing helped me cut down on the number of things that I had open at once and ff became better behaved after that.
12:10<Garp>themill: do you think that such a RAM is "normal" or is that soimething FF teams should look into. Because 100Mb of RAM is already a quite large storage space.
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12:10<JYL57>azeem: no good news... But I only want to get a mysql DB from it and don't really bother for the rest of it.
12:11<azeem>JYL57: maybe you should've said that from the beginning
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12:11<azeem>instead of
12:11<azeem>17:36 < JYL57> Would like to know how to check, repair, reinstall my system files in order to boot from my partition I just mounted with a liveCD
12:11<Garp>themill: most of the page I have are text based, far below 100ko/page
12:11<JYL57>azeem: I've many options to check and explore, the one indicated was the best possible for me ! :-)
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12:12<Garp>themill: i tried disabling iamges, that helped. But it seems that one cannot use "right click -> show that image" (as it was in Netscape I belive)
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12:13<themill>Garp: ff3 is supposed to have improvements in memory handling. I only restarted ff last night (after a s2disk hard crash *sob*) and have 27 tabs in 1 window and it's clocking 200MB. It's a bit of a 200lb gorilla.
12:13<Garp>themill: too tedious to go to prefs -> add site to authorized, and back
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12:13<virgi>dime eso
12:13<themill>Garp: yuck. There's probably an extension to help with that ;) I let adblock do some of that for me.
12:13<JYL57>azeem: I see in the chroot --help that by default it takes /bin/sh. Shouldn't I indicate an option to chroot ?
12:13<plata>pos el sueño
12:13<Garp>themill: I use privoxy, hoping that a separate adblocker would help also there
12:14<themill>aptitude: es
12:14<aptitude>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:14<azeem>JYL57: eh, you did with /bin/bas
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12:14<themill>aptitude: tell Eulex about dpkg missing
12:14<huangzuobin>I'm using Lenny,how to let user get permission to proxy?
12:14<Garp>ok, I've to go.
12:14<Garp>see ya!
12:14<Garp>thanks for the help.
12:14<themill>Garp: good luck with that sucker...
12:15<Garp>themill: :)
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12:15<JYL57>azeem: another idea, I still do have my old Sarge install CD.
12:15<azeem>JYL57: why don't you just copy over the database?
12:15<JYL57>azeem: Can I get the directory needed from that CD ?
12:15<azeem>which directory?
12:16<azeem>that's not a directory
12:16<JYL57>azeem: to copy my DB I suppose I've to start mysql...
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12:17<azeem>JYL57: I don't know about mysql, but I would assume you can copy it offline
12:18<themill>azeem: you can. copying the files from /var/lib/mysql/ from one machine to another while the daemon isn't running is sufficient.
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12:26<JYL57>azeem: Thanks azeem, I will check what I can do about my DB and then probably reinstall a system...
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12:27<JasonS>mike: why cant you
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12:28<themill>mike: is there an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log => pastebin... ;)
12:28<mike>just a moment
12:29<themill>mike: are you running sid? or are you downloading this directly from ati?
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12:30<mike>No, i'm using testing brunch, is it name sid?
12:30<azeem>no, it's lenny
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12:31<mike>so i'm using lenny :)
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12:32<mike>drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
12:32<mike>drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
12:32<mike>drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
12:32<mike>drmOpenDevice: Open failed
12:32<mike>[drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx"
12:32<mike>(WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection
12:32<mike>(--) fglrx(0): VideoRAM: 131072 kByte, Type: DDR SGRAM / SDRAM
12:32<themill>aptitude: paste
12:32<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
12:32<mike>(II) fglrx(0): AGP card detected
12:32<mike>(WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
12:32<mike>(II) Loading sub module "ddc"
12:32<mike>(II) LoadModule: "ddc"(II) Module already built-in
12:32<mike>i think problems starting there...
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12:33<themill>mike: did you recompile the kernel module after updating to the -4- kernel?
12:33<mike>no, i thought that is not needed. I wasn't right?
12:34<themill>mike: if you updated from the -3- kernel to the -4- kernel, then that is needed.
12:34<themill>mike: if it's an update from one -4- kernel to another -4- kernel, then it is not needed.
12:34<mike>what does it mean "-3-" and "-4-"?
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12:35<azeem>mike: what does uname -r say?
12:35<themill>mike: sorry.. I thought you knew when you said that you had updated your kernel to 4 in the first line.
12:35<azeem>so -2-
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12:36<s0rk>reinstall your fglrx-driver
12:36<mike>in my grub list I have also 2.6.22-3
12:36<themill>mike: you might like to clarify your first statement then: [17:26] <mike> Hi! Help me, please! I've just install new updates for debian etch 4 (testing). I can't run fglrx 8.43...
12:36<azeem>themill: debian etch 4
12:36<themill>which isn't lenny and doesn't have 2.6.22.... :)
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12:37<mike>I'm just newbie in Linux and can make some mistake. I'm answer to all your question to get you right information
12:38<themill>mike: That's ok. BTW if you're a newbie, you probably don't really want to be running lenny.
12:38<themill>mike: So you currently have the 2.6.22-2 and 2.6.22-3 kernels installed. For each of these kernels that you want to run, you'll need to compile the fglrx module.
12:39<themill>mike: while running that kernel, you can follow aptitude's instructions:
12:39<themill>aptitude: fglrx one-liner
12:39<aptitude>rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
12:39<mike>If I think right it is no need to have two different kernels
12:39<azeem>mike: I wouldn't remove the kernel you're running with
12:40<azeem>so reboot into the new kernel and check whether it works, then you can remove the old kernel
12:40<themill>mike: that's correct. You don't need to have both kernels at all. In fact the older -2- kernel probably has security problems or other serious bugs. Next time you reboot, use the -3- kernel and then remove the -2- one.
12:40<themill>mike: yeah, what azeem said.
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12:42<mike>Thank you. So what should I do? Aptitude, please, write your previous message in each line.
12:43<themill>mike: aptitude's a bot. Copy it's output to a text file so you can run it when you reboot.
12:43<azeem>mike: first sort out your kernels
12:43<azeem>mike: then, build the fglrx driver for the sorted-out kernel
12:43<themill>mike: or come back again and ask for the fglrx one-liner
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12:46<mike>Please write bot's command step by step...
12:46<azeem>you can just execute that line, that's why it's called one-liner
12:48<mike>but I have no headers...
12:48<azeem>m-a prepare will take care of this
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12:49<mike>it says there is no headers
12:49<azeem>mike: what does uname -r say?
12:50<mike>I will load 2.6.22-3
12:50<azeem>18:39 < azeem> mike: first sort out your kernels
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13:01<mike>I have a question
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13:02<mike>Should I use framebuffer?
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13:02<azeem>why do you ask?
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13:03<mike>I build fglrx and in asked me
13:03<indigo196>Does anyone have some knowledge on gParted?
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13:03<azeem>mike: after you ran dpkg-reconfigure?
13:03<azeem>indigo196: the people who wrote it
13:04<azeem>mike: just hit enter on all questions except for the driver questions, select fglrx there
13:04<indigo196>azeem -- sorry I thought it was implied that I was referring to anyone in the #Debian channel
13:04<mike>done. Restart X server?
13:05<indigo196>I have a specific issue but did not want pose it if there was not a person here who could answer.
13:05<azeem>indigo196: sorry, I thought it was implied my response was pointing out your question doesn't make sense
13:05<valdyn>!tell indigo196 -about anyone
13:05<valdyn>!tell indigo196 -about ask
13:05<azeem>valdyn: dpkg is down
13:05<azeem>aptitude: ask
13:05<aptitude>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:05<azeem>aptitude: anyone
13:05<aptitude>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
13:05<azeem>the trigger doesn't work here
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13:09<indigo196>I am running Debian 4.0 on two laptops. On the slower of the two laptops (1.1Ghz processor and 512mb of ram) I run gparted and it completes "scanning all devices" in roughly 5 seconds. The faster laptop takes more than three minutes to complete that process. I am curious where to begin looking to resolve what the problem is.
13:09<azeem>does the slower one have a floppy?
13:10<Maulkin>How about the faster one?
13:10<Maulkin>Same size/model disks?
13:10<Maulkin>What about how much is stored on them?
13:10<indigo196>The slower one has a 30g / faster has an 80g
13:10<indigo196>both are partioned in the same manner
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13:11<Maulkin>And what speed are they?
13:11<Maulkin>And how much is used? :P
13:11<indigo196>5400 rpm -- both of them
13:11<indigo196>the faster machine has 6.52gb used
13:11<azeem>indigo196: check /var/log/syslog
13:11<azeem>if I start up parted it says this:
13:12<azeem>Dec 5 19:10:25 nighthawk kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
13:12<indigo196>how do I check the log file?? I have not done that in Linux yet
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13:13<michelll>hello everyone: I have to networkcards in my pc. I thought it should be possible to make a crosscable tester. So i want to connect a crosscable between the two interface cards, and send some kind of ping command (or use iperf, ...) to test the cable. The problem is that the interface cards are mapped directly in the routing table so my question is if it is possible to do something like this, and if some of you have any hints on how I can ta
13:13<michelll>ckle the routing problem.
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13:13<azeem>indigo196: e.g. "tail -50 /var/log/syslog" as root
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13:14<valdyn>michelll: umm, your cable is ok if the light on your nic is on
13:14<azeem>print all in parted has been working for > 2 minutes on my notebook as well now
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13:14<michelll>valdyn: ok, but I really want to send some data over it, do you know if it is possible to do that?
13:15<valdyn>michelll: sure, why wouldnt it be
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13:15<indigo196>I got 'end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
13:15<valdyn>michelll: your real question is that you have no idea how to modify the routing table?
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13:15<indigo196>and Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block
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13:15<azeem>indigo196: that's probably it
13:15<valdyn>michelll: "The problem is that the interface cards are mappeddirectly in the routing table" is nonsense
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13:16<azeem>indigo196: fd0 is the floppy drive
13:16<michelll>valdyn: i looked at "ip route show table local"
13:16<azeem>indigo196: parted tries to scan it, even though it's not there
13:16<indigo196>odd... there is no floppy drive
13:16<valdyn>michelll: routes are there to be changed or not
13:16<indigo196>is there a way to take that out?
13:16<azeem>indigo196: run "lsmod | grep floppy" on both notebooks
13:16<valdyn>michelll: there's not "diretly mapped whatever"
13:17<indigo196>floppy 53156 1 on the slow one
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13:17<indigo196>nothing on the fast one
13:17<indigo196>so that is it... but how to change that?
13:17<valdyn>michelll: manpage tells how to add and delete routing entries
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13:17<azeem>the fast one being the one fast with gparted, or the faster one?
13:18<indigo196>The one that works fast with gparted has no result
13:18<indigo196>sorry to confuse.
13:18<azeem>indigo196: rmmod floppy, or try to figure out whether you can tell gparted not to scan for a floppy or all devices somehow
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13:18<michelll>valdyn: I know how to delete them, but Im not sure if I should also delete entries in the local table
13:18<azeem>indigo196: e.g. try to start gparted like "gparted /dev/hda"
13:19<valdyn>michelll: this is pretty vague
13:19<indigo196>if I rmmod floppy it says ERROR: Module floppy is in use
13:19<azeem>indigo196: is gparted still running?
13:19<valdyn>michelll: you can delete and restore any route as long as you are sitting in front of the box
13:19<indigo196>no... gparted was not running...
13:20<indigo196>and starting it with the /dev/hda still is slow.
13:20<azeem>tough luck
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13:20<azeem>you might need to reboot then, or figure out what other application tries to access the floppy
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13:20<indigo196>rebooting... be back in a bit...
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13:24<michelll>valdyn: srry, what i did already was deleting the local entry in "ip route show table local" of one of the interface cards (say The idea behind that is that I now cannot ping that card directly. I thougth that when execute a ping commando for that card (ping it should take the other interface card (say, but appearantly this doesnt work.
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13:29<michelll>valdyn: but you are sure that it should be possible?
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13:34<valdyn>michelll: its trivial
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13:35<valdyn>michelll: hmm, i only now got that both ends really are plugged into the same computer
13:35<valdyn>michelll: right?
13:36<michelll>valdyn: yes, thats my problem indeed, I can do it with two separate pcs.
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13:36<valdyn>michelll: the kernel will shortcut this.
13:36<valdyn>michelll: so you would need kernel code to do this
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13:37<michelll>valdyn: Ok I hoped that it was possible to do this by changing the routing tables
13:38<valdyn>michelll: no, its all inside the kernel below routing tables
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13:38<michelll>valdyn: Ok thanks for the confirmation.
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13:39<valdyn>michelll: if you know to code C and really care, ask on or somesuch, its probably not to hard..
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13:41<michelll>valdyn: programming c is no problem, But then I need to digg into the kernel code, which will take some time to understand ofcource. I dont have hands on experience with modifying linux routing tables, thats why I asked here first. Thanks for helping...
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13:47<Daemones>alguem ai sabe como posso mudar a resolução em modo texto?
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13:49<Eulex>aptitude: es
13:49<aptitude>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:51<ephilips>Would this be a place I can get help with a (probably easy) sysklogd question?
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13:52<sutula>ephilips: You won't know until you ask :)
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13:54<ephilips>trying to get a remote log server working... Looks like I should be able to just modify the SYSLOGD entry with -r, but there is no SYSLOGD entry. I added SYSLOGD="-r", but that didn't work. tried '-r' to. I assume it is just an I-D-10-T/newbie problem...
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13:56<indigo196>azeem - the reboot and rmmod floppy worked -- gparted came up very fast now
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13:57<indigo196>what exactly does rmmod do?
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13:58<me><cahoot> you there?
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13:59<jred184><cahoot> sorry I was signed in under wrong nick
13:59<jred184><cahoot>you there?
13:59<sutula>ephilips: Where were you expecting to modify this "SYSLOGD" entry? I can't tell, from your question, how you expected to get it to work.
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13:59<indigo196>azeem are you still here?
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14:00<ephilips>well, I looked at the \etc\init.d\sysklogd script. I see the start and restart commands include a -- $SYSLOGD
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14:01<ephilips>which would indicate that the SYSLOGD variable would be used to add arguments to syslog startup
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14:02<ephilips>but the The script didn't actually have an entry defining SYSLOGD, so I created one.
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14:03<sutula>ephilips: The script appears to source /etc/default/syslogd appears the setting belongs there
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14:04[~]sutula hasn't tried it, but that's where local administrative changes would go
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14:06<ephilips>That worked. Thanks I learned something new today. A few dozen more of those and I will make half-wit status.
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14:08[~]sutula resembles that remark :)
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14:14<cahoot>jred184: yes
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14:23<dkr>it's weird how people online are either overly arrogant or overly humble. :)
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14:26<DanDare>dkr, its true
14:26<DanDare>amanzingly some are this way in real life too
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14:29<indigo196>Is there anyway to not load the floppy driver other than putting 'floppy' in the blacklist?
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14:34<MikkLinux>you don't want access to your floppy drive at all?
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14:35<MikkLinux>if so you might be able to just disable your floppy drive from the BIOS
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14:40<__Marcelo>q son todos chavones aka? o solo tienen nombres raros? juasss
14:40<Eulex>aptitude, es
14:40<aptitude>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:40<__Marcelo>en castellano por favor!
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14:54<JasonS>aptitude: br
14:54<aptitude>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:54<JasonS>i think
14:54<JasonS>really should learn which is which one day
14:54<yoli>hola muca
14:55<vielka>hola yoli
14:55<Eulex>aptitude: es
14:55<aptitude>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:55<JasonS>talking to themselves, clones
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14:55<indigo196>I am looking for a way to ensure that the floppy module is not loaded other than blacklisting it... does anyone know how to do that?
14:55<yoli>diem a que hora te vas
14:56<Eulex>JasonS, hola is es, ola is br, .pt and .br are br, rest (es, ve, etc) are spanish
14:56<yoli>cuantos docentes faltan para el taller
14:56[~]JasonS burns it into his head
14:56[~]indigo196 sings
14:58<indigo196>would removing the floppy link from the /media folder force the floppy module to not load?
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15:00<indigo196>would removing the floppy link from the /media folder force the floppy module to not load?
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15:02<Supaplex>indigo196: why can't you blacklist it? Is it causing problems when it's loaded?
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15:02<Supaplex>infestator: no, rmdir /media/floppy has no effect on the kernel module.
15:02<Supaplex>infestator: my bad, misdirect.
15:03<panv>i am having problems mounting my external (usb) hard disk
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15:03<pancoor>hi all
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15:04<panv>no one can help me in this channel >??
15:04<panv>i thought i could get some help here...
15:04<Eulex>aptitude: ask
15:04<aptitude>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:04<panv>i have asked before
15:05<panv>how many times should a person ask >??
15:05<panv>panv: i am having problems mounting my external (usb) hard disk
15:05<Eulex>you need to make your question more specific
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15:05<panv>when i try to mount my external (fat32) hard disk
15:05<Eulex>what are you trying to do, what of it does not work?
15:05<Eulex>and what errors do you get?
15:06<panv>DEBIAN:/home/xuser# mount /media/flash/
15:06<panv>mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
15:06<panv>i have put the correct line in the /etc/fstab
15:06<Supaplex>panv: cat /proc/partitions
15:06<Supaplex>don't paste it all here :P
15:06<panv>directing sda1 to mont on /media/flash
15:06<panv>ok i wont.. i promise
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15:07<Supaplex>mount /dev/sda1 /media/flash
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15:07<panv>sda is here
15:07<Supaplex>if it's not in fstab, you have to tell mount *all* the settings
15:07<panv>you must specify the file system ...
15:07<Nemoder>usually you can get away with just fs type
15:08<panv>DEBIAN:/home/xuser# cat /proc/partitions
15:08<panv>major minor #blocks name
15:08<panv> 3 0 58605120 hda
15:08<panv> 3 1 57143173 hda1
15:08<panv> 3 2 1 hda2
15:08<panv> 3 5 1461883 hda5
15:08<Supaplex>file -sk /dev/sda1 says fat32?
15:08<panv> 8 0 78150744 sda
15:08<Supaplex>woahhh there
15:08<panv>DEBIAN:/home/xuser# more /etc/fstab
15:08<panv># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
15:08<panv># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
15:08<panv>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
15:08<panv>/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
15:08<panv>/dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0
15:08<Supaplex>KNOCK IT OFF
15:08<panv>/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
15:08<panv>/dev/sda1 /media/flash vfat defaults 0 0
15:08<panv>#none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
15:08<Supaplex>aptitude: paste
15:08<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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15:09<panv>i cannot see the file system
15:09<Supaplex>anyway, I said *if*, which implies you have a brain, and also implies you'll use it to investigate the issue.
15:09<panv>cannot open /dev/sda1
15:09<Supaplex>but as we see, your fstab says sda1, but /proc/partitions says there is no sda1
15:10<Supaplex>so, what's file -sk /dev/sda report? (should be one line)
15:10<Nemoder>panv: try running cfdisk /dev/sda and see if it detects any partitions
15:10<panv>proc/partitions says there is only sda
15:10<panv>i get fatal error if i try cfdisk
15:10<Supaplex>so far it looks as if it's a partionless disk with only a filesystem.
15:10<panv>but if i try it on a windows system... it will read as a normal fat32 partition
15:11<panv>and all my data is in that flash disc
15:11<panv>i cannot format it
15:11<Supaplex>panv: did you run "file -sk /dev/sda" yet? I bet you could mount sda, and not sda1 and it'll work.
15:11<panv>i did run that...
15:12<panv>the same answer...
15:12<Supaplex>which is what?
15:12<panv>cannot open /dev/sda1
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15:12<panv>cannot read sda.. IO error
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15:13<Supaplex>check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for clues.
15:13<panv>i have checked it before...
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15:13<panv>one millions lines of error reading...
15:13<Supaplex>did you try loading any drivers by hand? (usually unneccessary)
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15:13<aredhel>panv, are you root when you run "file -sk /dev/sda"?
15:13<panv>i am root
15:13<panv>and i didnt try any drivers by hand
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15:14<Supaplex>try unplugging it until it's missing in /proc/partitions, then reinsert it
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15:14<Supaplex>I can't think of anything else at the moment
15:14<Supaplex>save for lsusb
15:15<panv>what do you mean by save for lsusb
15:15<Supaplex>run lsusb, show the output at
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15:17<panv>please... i dont know how this website (// will work
15:17<panv>i am new in debian
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15:18<Supaplex>aptitude: nopaste howto
15:18<aptitude>rumour has it, pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here.
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15:19<panv>i understand now
15:20<mzilikazi>when building a new kernel (w/ realtime patches) i get a weirdly name .deb like linux- now the source dir is also called linux- and the Makefile extravesion is the same - how to get a properly named kernel?
15:22<mzilikazi>not passing make-kpg -rev or --append-to-version
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15:24<panv>i have pasted there and given you here the weblink...
15:25<Supaplex>panv: now try lsusb -v -s '004:007'
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15:25<Supaplex>I'm not sure it'll tell me enough, but I may as well look
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15:28<panv>Supaplex : URL:
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15:29<Supaplex>panv: I don't see anything unusual.
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15:31<itala>hola amigo
15:31<panv>i am still not able to mount it
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15:32<indigo196>Is there a way to have users have full rights to auto-mounted usb drives (thumb) that are formatted with ext3?
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15:33<Supaplex>panv: I'm not sure what else to say or try. The i/o error is the primary issue, if not very close to it.
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15:34<panv>the thing that is bothering me the most is that this hard disk is working very fine on winxp
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15:35<panv>what should i do ??
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15:35<panv>how can i format in debian ??
15:35<panv>i want to format that hard disc
15:35<panv>i will use fdisk
15:35<panv>right /?>
15:36<dondelelcaro>panv: no, fdisk sets up partitions
15:36<dondelelcaro>panv: mkfs makes filesystems, which is the equivalent of formatting.
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15:37<indigo196>Is there a way to change the rights on the root file system of a USB drive?
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15:37<panv>i will have to back-up on a windows machine... and mkfs... and then try it
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15:38<panv>thank you all for your help .. (especially Supaplex) and sorry to take from your time...
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15:39<Supaplex>infestator: as in chown? :)
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15:40<Supaplex>panv: what's this do? mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/flash (do *not* use sda1)
15:40<Supaplex>if 'file' had an i/o error, I doubt mount will have any better result
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15:42<panv>cant read superblock
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15:42<panv>why would it work on winxp? ?
15:42<panv>here i must find the clue
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15:43<nacs>panv did u install additional software for that device on xp ?
15:43<nacs>ok i was thinking of encrypting ...
15:44<panv>i wouldnt like to backup 70 GB ... and format the disk again...
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15:45<Supaplex>panv: what kernel is it?
15:45<Supaplex>uname -r
15:46<Supaplex>you might want to try atleast 2.6.19
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15:47<panv>would it help :?
15:48<Supaplex>hard to say unless you try. you could try a live-cd just to pentest w/o doing much work
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15:49<panv>i wouldnt like to risk any other hardware to mis-operate...
15:49<panv>i had to spend two hard nights to operate my wireless connection
15:49<Supaplex>a live cd won't make any changes
15:50<panv>i know
15:50<panv>i prefer to backup, and do the last solution... restore the harddisk
15:51<Supaplex>how does testing a live cd cause any conflict?
15:51<panv>it wont...
15:51<panv>but in fact, i don't have an empty CD
15:51<panv>you can believe it or not... i am not in a civilized place
15:51<panv>i am living in the jungle...
15:52<panv>in the virgin bushes in Nigeria..
15:52<panv>so, i cannot get an empty cd here..
15:52<Supaplex>w/o a cd, you'll have to compile a new kernel, or upgrade to one
15:52<panv>i have to travel for four hours to reach a civilised place
15:52<panv>i am satisfied with my current kernel
15:52<panv>it is working well with me
15:52<panv>for now
15:53<Supaplex>you can keep old kernels to
15:53<Nemoder>it's not hard to setup the boot menu for multiple kernels
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15:53<Supaplex>grub does it nealry automagically
15:53<panv>i am not a pro-person ...
15:53<panv>it has been less than five month i am using linux
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15:53<Supaplex>so you give up easy, even if we can tell you how
15:53<Supaplex>you just have to ask
15:53<panv>i spent my life in the darkness of windows... until i found debian
15:53<panv>tell me how
15:54<Supaplex>i'm so tired of the 'i am a noobie' theme it's disgusting.
15:54<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
15:54<indigo196>I have two machines both running 4.0r1. On the one I can read / write to a USB flash drive, on the other I only get read rights. I have tried formatting on both machines with no change in the behavior
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15:55<panv>indigo... it happened with me before.. is the flash disk NTFS ??/
15:55<indigo196>No I formatted it with ext3
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15:55<panv>i give up
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15:55<panv>is it benifical to upgrade kernel />?
15:55<Supaplex>panv: btw, see what dpkg said about compiling a kernel
15:55<indigo196>Yeah... obviously something is configured different between the two mahcines, but I have no clue as to what it is.
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15:56<panv>i have seen it... but i am trying to figure out where to start
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15:56<panv>first, i have to get the source of the new kernel
15:56<panv>right />
15:57<Supaplex>run apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev
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15:57<panv>before i do that... help me with one thing please
15:57<panv>i don't want to use my installation DVD's everytime i am installing a new package...
15:58<panv>i want my system to find them on the web, that way i will get the last stable one
15:58<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:58<panv>which file, and which weblink should i put ??
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15:58<panv>dpkg is awesome.. hehe
15:58<Supaplex>yup :)
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15:59<panv>how do i comment the old lines in the sources.list ??/
15:59<panv># ???
15:59<Supaplex># this is a comment.
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16:00<mugwortt>french here ?
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16:00<mugwortt>i can't connect to the french app database
16:00<mugwortt>am i alone ?
16:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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16:04<Supaplex>mugwortt: what exactly is the french app database?
16:04<panv>i want to try something for dpkg
16:04<dpkg>somebody said vi was said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or <vim> is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see <vi tutorial>, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or
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16:06<panv>i am updating my apt-get...
16:06<panv>it is taking some time...
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16:07<panv>i'll be back... going for a cup of coffee.
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16:27<stephen>Hello everyone.. I did an apt-get install iptotal and now my machine is completely hosed.. The engineer did a reboot.. and it still didnt come back up (ip wise)
16:27<stephen>anyone know of a similar issue?
16:27<stephen>Will runlevel 1 stop iptotal from starting up?
16:27<dondelelcaro>stephen: yes
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16:34<stephen>thanks dondelelcaro
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16:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
16:38<panagos>pgaccess being neither in unstable nor in testing, can anyone suggest to me a graphical postgresql client?
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16:50<ryanakca>I filed an ITP with reportbug this morning, but it hasn't showed up on;dist=unstable yet. Should I resend it?
16:51<chealer>ryanakca: did the mail reach
16:52<ryanakca>chealer: I dunno, GMail's web interface says it was sent to 'Debian Bug Tracking System <>'
16:53<chealer>ryanakca: did you receive an acknowledgement?
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16:55<ryanakca>chealer: which I'm guessing means that the BTS never received it?
16:55<chealer>ryanakca: yes, or it didn't process it yet
16:55<chealer>ryanakca: does reportbug usually work?
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16:56<ryanakca>chealer: yes
16:57<ryanakca>chealer: oh... wait... nevermind, stupid me, I never checked for an error message. (Unable to send report to 554 <>: Relay access denied)... Sorry for wasting your time ;)
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17:23<jacob>what's more popular? rpm or debs?
17:23<JasonS>jacob: hmm #debian what do you think we're going to say
17:23<[gloom]>rpm redhat package system. deb debian package system
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17:24<cjmrdc>statistically redhat has more reported installations, so - technically you could say rpm is more 'popular', but you're also asking a bunch of debian users, so - the answer here is biased regardless
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17:24<chealer>[gloom]: he asked which one is most used, not what they mean.
17:25<chealer>JasonS: he asked which one is most popular, not best or anything subjective
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17:25<chealer>jacob: if you don't mind, why?
17:25<JasonS>chealer: true but asking in #debian or #redhat will get a slighty skewed answer regardless
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17:26<chealer>JasonS: not necessarily
17:26<K4k-laptop>is there a way to just get normal old mozilla firefox on debian? If not, can I get firefox plugins to work on iceweasel?
17:26<jacob>because i want to know which is more supported, i want to know the statistics to see if i can make a conclusion as how to how many programs are supported by deb or rpm (if that makes any sense)
17:26<JasonS>really? i disagree heh
17:26<dkr>if you want to use something more popular you could use windows :)
17:26[~]K4k-laptop is a fedora convert
17:26<JasonS>heh ouch
17:26<cjmrdc>more rpms are commercially available, however - you do know most of them will install using alien, making it a moot point in most scenarios
17:26<[gloom]>ok I wanted to mena, that using debian, although you can use an rpm, the debian package system is deb, so you're encourage to use it. Debian=deb"
17:27<Nemoder>K4k-laptop: yes firefox plugins work fine with iceweasel
17:27<K4k-laptop>I just tried to get one and it didnt
17:27<K4k-laptop>it said it required firefox version 1.5 or higher
17:27<dkr>well, debian has so much software available through the repos you don't need to download random binary packages from places. :)
17:27<K4k-laptop>I have iceweasel 2.0.x
17:27<chealer>K4k-laptop: yes. to answer your second question anyway, yes for most.
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17:28<K4k-laptop>can you get firefox through the package manager? Because I searched and found it, and selected firefox and mozilla-firefox and I still dont' see the icon under "internet" and running firefox brings up iceweasel still
17:29<Nemoder>iceweasel is simply firefox with a few debian patches and the name changed for licensing reasons
17:29<K4k-laptop>then why don't some of the firefox plugins work?
17:29<JasonS>K4k-laptop: talk to the plugin writers
17:29<chealer>K4k-laptop: yes, but Debian doesn't distribute Firefox for Debian > 3.1.
17:29[~]cjmrdc hasn't found one yet that won't work
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17:30<K4k-laptop>crum...ok, thanks, I gotta figure out how to get this plugin then I guess
17:30<Nemoder>all my plugins and extensions work
17:30<cjmrdc>mine as well
17:30<JasonS>all mine work, not that i have many mind you
17:30<K4k-laptop>google browser sync doesn't want to install
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17:32<parag0n>does anyone know if the single package installer gui from ubuntu is available on debian?
17:32<Nemoder>gdebi-gtk ?
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17:33<parag0n>thats the one, thanks
17:34<Nemoder>looks like their javascript detection doesn't work with iceweasel but the plugin does
17:34<K4k-laptop>nice, thanks nemoder
17:34<K4k-laptop>I never would have thought of that
17:34<Nemoder>or hm maybe it doesn't
17:34<K4k-laptop>I figured it had to do with the detection though
17:34<K4k-laptop>mine installed just fine
17:34<Nemoder>ah ok
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17:35<K4k-laptop>or, so far it has
17:35<K4k-laptop>it's syncing currently
17:35<K4k-laptop>now the next trick is to reboot and hope that the ipw modules loaded properly and get aiglx and all that good stuff working again
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17:36<Nemoder>oh hah I have too many browsers open, I tried it in the wrong one
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17:38<K4k-laptop> far no go
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17:39<K4k-laptop>I installed the ipw3945-mykernel package, what else do I need to do to get my wireless working?
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17:40<Pakalolo>oh man... i'm trying to configure my wireless card too
17:41<dpkg>i heard wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at or try asking #wireless, or see, or ask me about <what's my wireless>
17:41<Voodoo3300>my wireless worx
17:41<chealer>K4k-laptop: yes
17:41<chealer>!tell K4k-laptop about ipw3945
17:41<Voodoo3300>ok try ndiswrapper
17:42<K4k-laptop>chealer: thank you, forgot about the dpkg thing, it's been a while since I've used #debian
17:42<Pakalolo>to use the ndiswrapper i need some dll's from windows, right?
17:43<Pakalolo>i don't want to use a solution like that
17:43<Supaplex>use ndiswrapper as a last resort. are you sure there are no native linux drivers for it?
17:43<Voodoo3300>yes, afaik u need the windows driver
17:43<Voodoo3300>my wlan works nativ, ive got the 2200bg
17:44<Pakalolo>i've got a D-Link dwl-g520+, on the internet the people said it's an atheros driver
17:44<K4k-laptop>where can I find the contrib and non-free repos?
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17:44<Supaplex>!tell Pakalolo -about mad-wifi
17:44<chealer>!tell K4k-laptop about non-free
17:45<Pakalolo>i tried madwifi, and i'm still trying!
17:45<Supaplex>sounds like <don't work>
17:45<Supaplex>!tell Pakalolo about don't work
17:45<K4k-laptop>hmm...I've already done can't find the packages though
17:46<Supaplex>K4k-laptop: did you apt-get update after modifying sources.list?
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17:46<K4k-laptop>hang on, I think I typoed >.<
17:47<tas_>from spain
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17:47<Pakalolo>oh man i fell
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17:48<Pakalolo>what's that dpkg thing that appeared and spoke to me? I'm new here
17:48<JasonS>Pakalolo: its a bot
17:48<K4k-laptop>is there a way to disable the system beep when the login screen comes up?
17:48<Pakalolo>is that a bot?
17:48<JasonS>!what are you
17:48<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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17:49<chealer>K4k-laptop: which login screen?
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17:49<Pakalolo>I just wonder when i'll stop asking and begin answering questions... i like to help people
17:50<K4k-laptop>Pakalolo: before this I used to use Ubuntu and it took me about a year before I knew enough to answer any questions
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17:51<K4k-laptop>chealer: ?
17:51<Pakalolo>is ubuntu really good? Or it's a debian made for the newbies
17:51<chealer>K4k-laptop: sorry, I don't use gdm
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17:51<K4k-laptop>ok, I'll do a little more research then
17:51<Supaplex>Pakalolo: I jokingly call ubuntu the beta version of stable. ;)
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17:52<K4k-laptop>haha, found it
17:52<K4k-laptop>...go figure it would be in login window preferences...
17:53<JasonS>Pakalolo: ubuntu is actually what i suggest to new linux users which is followed by the statement once you get your feet wet and decide to keep running linux we'll show you debian
17:54[~]K4k-laptop did that
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17:54<chealer>Pakalolo: neither. it's not a Debian flavor, it's just based on Debian.
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17:55<Pakalolo>well... i think there's 3 distributions - red hat, debian and slack - the others are ****-based
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17:55<Pakalolo>it's my opinion
17:56<Supaplex>and gentoo
17:56<dkr>star based? that's weird. made by aliens?
17:56<K4k-laptop>wow, I'm so impressed right now with debian
17:56<JasonS>dkr: shh there are no aliens remember
17:56<Pakalolo>sorry for my english and slangs - i'm from Brazil, and second time HERE
17:57<K4k-laptop>Now the real test, does suspend work or not
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17:58<K4k-laptop>ok, debian FTW!
17:58<K4k-laptop>this is the first distro I have used EVER that suspend just worked
17:58<JasonS>im guessing that's a yes K4k-laptop ?
17:58<K4k-laptop>I can't tell you how happy that makes me
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17:59<panv>one question
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18:00<panv>if i upgrade my kernel, will i loose my downloaded mail ?
18:00<Supaplex>ask anyone. I'm not here 24/7 :)
18:00<panv>to Evolution ???
18:00<panv>i think i like to ask you...
18:00<Supaplex>no data's lost because of an upgrade
18:00<Supaplex>well whatever, i'm not always here. ask at your own peril *shrug*
18:01<Pakalolo>well, can u teach me how to find brazilian channels? i tried /list but the list is huge!
18:01<panv>and i will still be able to go back to the old kernel thank's to grub
18:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:01<Pakalolo>oh man, thanks
18:02<panv>the apt-get install.... is still dowloading from the web .... 75%
18:02<K4k-laptop>kernels are big
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18:03<K4k-laptop>well, so far it's been less then an hour and the only part of my laptop that doesn't work ar the multimedia keys, which are easy enough to map
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18:04<K4k-laptop>and now those keys work too
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18:07<K4k-laptop>is there a different file manager for debian? if you have used ubuntu, something similar to that, where you don't open up a new window for every new directory opened
18:07<weasel>that's a config issue with whatever it is you're using
18:08<K4k-laptop>I'm using the default gnome one, I guess nautilus
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18:09<JasonS>K4k-laptop: check in the nautilus config then, im positive that can be changed
18:09<K4k-laptop>will check
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18:16<K4k-laptop>I can't find anything in gconf-editor under nautilus about those settings
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18:17<Nemoder>I use roxfiler for my file manager, it's nice and fast although I do miss the samba network browser
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18:18<K4k-laptop>hmm...maybe this did it
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18:19<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc4-git3, 2.4:, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc4-mm1
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18:20<panv>!apt-get install kernel
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18:20<K4k-laptop>doh, found it!
18:21<K4k-laptop>wasn't in gconf-editor
18:21<K4k-laptop>was in preferences for the filesystem manager
18:21<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
18:21<dharmagio>how can i acelarate my ati x300 with gl ?
18:22<dpkg>make-kpkg is, like, the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
18:22<panv>!kp mantra
18:22<dpkg>methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
18:22<chealer>!tell panv about msg the bot
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18:23<K4k-laptop>just an fyi, the page that dpkg gives you when you type in !xgl-howto is broken
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18:24<chealer>dharmagio: use an X driver which supports 3D acceleration
18:24<dharmagio>make-kpkg is a package?
18:25<Nemoder>far as I know the latest nvidia and ati drivers support aiglx in xorg, don't think xgl server is really needed anymore
18:25<dpkg>rumour has it, xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI.
18:26<chealer>dpkg: forget xgl-howto
18:27<chealer>dharmagio: no
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18:28<K4k-laptop> almost everything works, everything except dri, time to play with xorg i guess
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18:33<K4k-laptop>is there a package available for kernel 2.6.22 yet?
18:33<K4k-laptop>or rather...nvm
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18:34<K4k-laptop>I'm just trying to think of reasons why when I do fglrxinfo it still says mesa
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18:36<darkerror05>my first time connecting to irc through a shell account
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18:37<whadar>how can I check the total received bytes from http on my system?
18:38<whadar>and even more if possible, received bytes of a specific process
18:38<petemc>unless you have some form of ip accounting in place, im not sure you can
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18:38<Supaplex>iptables can count all that, but not per process
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18:40<whadar>hmm ok, I have a specific IP
18:40<whadar>so can I get the total bytes coming from that IP using iptables?
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18:42<petemc>if you have a rule in place to gather that information, yes
18:42<Supaplex>yes. any chain that matches what iptables acts on, is counted. it'll count packets and bytes.
18:42<Supaplex>you have to have the rule setup before it'll start counting
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18:43<whadar>that require being root right>
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18:45<whadar>and using strace, can I see the total amount of data read by a process?
18:45<whadar>I mean I can see the Read syscalls
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18:45<whadar>but I don't know if I can count the bytes
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18:47<dkr>whadar: apache has a mod_status module that can give you a nice status page with total bytes sent/received as part of the stats
18:47<etanoox>someone know netboot?
18:48<dkr>adding up return codes from read calls via strace sounds a bit error prone
18:48<whadar>dkr: thanks
18:49<whadar>actually I remember I read it is possible to do QoS of processes
18:49<whadar>I mean to make sure a certain process get's a fixed amount of bandwidth and stuff like that...
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18:49<whadar>it is done with iptables as well?
18:49<swordfish>hey all
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18:51<swordfish>I have a question.... I used to have Ubuntu 6.06, and my airport wireless card worked fine. now I'm on debian Etch, and I cant get it to work...... help plz?
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18:52<swordfish>is there n e 1 here ? lol
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18:54<Xenguy>swordfish: hi...
18:54<swordfish>hey, I need some help concerning Airport on Etch
18:55<Xenguy>swordfish: it probably has to do with 'restricted drivers' etc. Unfortunately I don't know wireless well enough to help much
18:55<dpkg>i guess wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at or try asking #wireless, or see, or ask me about <what's my wireless>
18:55<swordfish>thanks... I'll check it out
18:55<Xenguy>swordfish: well there are some leads anyway
18:55<Xenguy>swordfish: good luck
18:55<Xenguy>swordfish: yw
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18:56<chealer>swordfish: how can you be helped?
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18:57<sig>testing irc
18:58<tjfontaine>it works.
18:58<swordfish>well I'm trying to connect to my router with my Airport card... stupid BCM4306. and I cant get it to work on Etch, although it worked fine on Ubuntu (lol)
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18:59<sigthx>my goodness
18:59|-|sigthx changed nick to sig
18:59<sig>there we go
18:59<sig>swordfish..did you update kernel in any way?
19:00<chealer>swordfish: if that's supposed to answer my question, it doesn't.
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19:01<swordfish>sorry.. kinda multitasking around the house... no, didnt update, but I just installed fresh today
19:02<sig>see my point
19:02<sig>i had to 3 times
19:02<sig>no more "updates" for me
19:02<petemc>swordfish: you need firmware for your card
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19:02<sig>sounds like it
19:02<SammyTheSnake>can anyone tell me what it means when says "xorg-server is waiting for glibc" and "glibc has the same version in unstable and testing (2.7-3)"
19:03|-|mode/#debian [-b *!*] by debhelper
19:03<SammyTheSnake>does it mean that xorg is waiting for a specific version of glibc that's not even in unstable yet? :-/
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19:04<sig>have you tried using the stable version.....if there is a difference
19:04<swordfish>ok. so I'm gonna try to install the fwcutter again... been trying for bout half an hour...
19:04<chealer>SammyTheSnake: bjorn is inconsistent. it must be using current package versions but yesterday's excuses.
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19:06<SammyTheSnake>chealer: could be, do you know how I can find today's excuse? :p
19:07<SammyTheSnake> just points me back to bjorn :(
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19:08<SammyTheSnake>ah well, I guess I'll just have to wait until whatever it is isn't any more :p
19:08<SammyTheSnake>bed time for me now, though...
19:08<SammyTheSnake>g'night all :)
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19:21<davity>alguien me puede decir las desventajas de instalar debian con kde?
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19:21<R-Ratones>te hace atractico con las chicas
19:22<davity>pero si esta gnome como escritorio por defecto alguna ventaja debera de tener digo yo...
19:22<davity>vamos, que si lo instalo con kde o con gnome da igual no?
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19:29<Pakalolo>acho mais fácil o kde do que o gnome
19:29<Pakalolo>sorry for the portuguese
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19:44<indigo196>I am having an issue at startup when my laptop is not connected with an ethernet cable... the boot up process tries to find a DHCP server five times before timing out and continuing the boot. I have googled but not found anything that bore fruit. Can anyone assist?
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19:45<indigo196>I am having an issue at startup when my laptop is not connected with an ethernet cable... the boot up process tries to find a DHCP server five times before timing out and continuing the boot. I have googled but not found anything that bore fruit. Can anyone assist?
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19:47[~]indigo196 knocks on the door
19:49<dondelelcaro>indigo196: what about it?
19:49<PetaWindows>indigo196: If you want you can configure your network establishing your ip
19:49<dondelelcaro>indigo196: do you want it not to try to connect to the DHCP server?
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19:51<PetaWindows>indigo196: the ip you want your PC to be connected to the router
19:51<ThriftyBIt>hey all, i'm looking for some price quotes on generic opensource consulting. any chance anyone is interested?
19:51<dondelelcaro>ThriftyBIt: you can check out
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19:53<indigo196>Yes I want it to be DHCP
19:53<indigo196>when I am actually connected
19:53<indigo196>but when I am not connected I don't want it to take so long too boot up
19:53<indigo196>my other laptop with Debian 4.0r1 as well does not have the same issue.
19:54<indigo196>so I am guessing something is not the same in the configuration, but I don't know where to look...
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19:56<diego>I can't see videos in youtube with iceweasel or konkeror. I need a plug-in for shockwave flash aparently. But there are no versions for amd64 architectures. Is there an alternative?. I have debian etch running in a core2 duo
19:56<dondelelcaro>diego: yeah, the alternative is youtube-dl
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19:57<dondelelcaro>indigo196: your other laptop probably doesn't have auto eth0; or similar
19:57<diego>dondelelcaro: youtube-dl?
19:57<dondelelcaro>!+info youtube-dl
19:57<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
19:57<indigo196>diego: I believe you can use the 32bit plugin and just create a link to it in your 64bit iceweasel install
19:57<dondelelcaro>indigo196: that said, you probably shouldn't be rebooting your laptop much
19:57<dpkg>youtube-dl: (download videos from, section web, is extra. Version: 2007.10.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB
19:57<indigo196>Donde: checking now
19:57<valdyn>diego: apt-cache show nspluginwrapper
19:58<PetaWindows>indigo196: what you can do, while is booting up and you don't want the network to be enabled, is to press Ctrl+C or Ctrl+D when the network is making the dhcp to skip this process
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19:59<diego>I'm a bit green on this, so I don't completely understand what you are telling to me
20:00<diego>valdyn: what does it do?
20:01<PetaWindows>diego: did you try to use the plugin that is auto-installed by iceweasel?
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20:02<Pakalolo>hey people, i managed to configure the wireless card, but this appear when i enter iwconfig:
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20:03<Pakalolo>Link Quality=42/100 Signal level=19/100 Noise level=0/100
20:03<Pakalolo>is this bad?
20:03<diego>PetaWindows: doesn't offer me that option
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20:03<indigo196>Where are the network config files?
20:03<Nemoder>supposedly gnash can play youtube videos now, doesn't it have a 64bit build?
20:03<PetaWindows>Pakalolo: It's not the best signal...xD
20:04<PetaWindows>indigo196: /etc/networking/interfaces
20:04<PetaWindows>this is the main file for network configuration
20:04<Pakalolo>PetaWindows: but the router is near! Really near!
20:05<PetaWindows>Pakalolo: probably is an error from the software, I have a problem like this... The "Noise Level" says me the same
20:06<gsimmons_>indigo196: You can alternatively use a package such as 'laptop-net', which enables/disables your wired interface (and by extension, your DHCP client) when the network cable is inserted/removed.
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20:06<diego>valdyn: when I do "apt-cache show nspluginwrapper" i get something like "E: couldn't find the package nspluginwrapper" and "E: No packages found"
20:06<indigo196>Both laptops have allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet DHCP, but the laptop that does not hang on the ethernet not being connected does not have auto eth0
20:06<PetaWindows>indigo196: but I suggest you to configure your network with a program like "network-admin"
20:06<indigo196>is there an issue with using/not using the auto?
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20:07<PetaWindows>I have no idea :(
20:07<indigo196>well.. I will try that and see what happens :-) at least I can't break things beyond repair
20:07<indigo196>thanks for getting me to the file that is different.
20:08<PetaWindows>indigo196: ;)
20:08<valdyn>diego: its probably in contrib
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20:08<PetaWindows>indigo196: anyway, you can skip the DHCP process during the booting up with a key combination like "ctrl+c"
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20:10<PetaWindows>g00d bye ppl
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20:14<diego>valdyn: where is contrib?
20:15<gsimmons_>!tell diego -about contrib
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20:23<indigo196>Thanks to all who helped. I removed the atuo eth0 and all entries for my wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces and my machine no longer hangs when not connected to a network.
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20:25<diego>valdyn: I do have "contrib" and "non free" at the end of each line in /etc/apt/sources.list
20:28<gsimmons_>diego: Ah, 'nspluginwrapper' isn't in Etch. You'd need to use an unofficial package.
20:28<gsimmons_>!tell diego -about nspluginwrapper
20:31<Pakalolo>oh guys i'm so happy that i managed to configure the wireless card without using ndiswrapper
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20:39<predder>does "non-us" still exist or was that just for sarge and earlier?
20:40<predder>dpkg says that it's not required post woody but I swear I saw it for sarge
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20:43<datura_0>Whats everyone up to? i just have a 25oz of beir
20:43<datura_0>*had, no that drunk
20:44<Supaplex>heh. surrreee
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20:45<predder>oh, he's gone.
20:45<Supaplex>nice timing there. :p
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21:46<[gloom]>got a little problem here. My clock in the bios is OK, and when I boot in windows, the clock shows the correct time, but debian (date command and the kde clock) insist in showing one more hour. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?
21:47<[gloom]>I put the time zone correct, and I have no idea abour what else I can touch
21:47<don_armstrong>[gloom]: most likely you've got UTC=yes instead of UTC=no
21:47<don_armstrong>[gloom]: windows is kind of stupid, and stores the clock in localtime instead of utc.
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21:47<[gloom]>nope. I checked /etc/default/rcS and i have UTC=no
21:48<[gloom]>then I ran out of ideas
21:48<don_armstrong>[gloom]: what does hwclock say?
21:48<[gloom]>mmm, wait
21:49<[gloom]>it says; select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
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21:52<[gloom]>btw, I have ralized just now that I have no kernel/drivers/rtc module active. Should I have one?
21:52<don_armstrong>you should have the rtc module loaded, generally.
21:53<[gloom]>which one? there are a lot
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21:53<dondelelcaro>just the rtc module
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21:53<[gloom]>ok let's try
21:54<dondelelcaro>(unless you have a specific rtc)
21:54<[gloom]>yes. noone of the specifics are loaded, but I have the rtc one loaded
21:54<[gloom]>so, what it keeps adding one hour to the BIOS clock?
21:56<Solver>could your timezone be +/-1 hour ?
21:56<kingsley>Isn't the "date" command supposed to return the local time from the software/system clock?
21:57<dondelelcaro>it is, but the question is why it was one hour off.
21:57<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: ok, next thing, what does date -u; say now?
21:58<[gloom]>date -u shows the local time correct
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21:59<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: no, tell me what it's reporting.
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22:00<dondelelcaro>Thu Dec 6 03:00:01 UTC 2007
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22:00<[gloom]>jue dic 6 03:58:20 UTC 2007
22:00<dondelelcaro>yeah, so the system clock is off by an hour for whatever reason
22:01<dondelelcaro>most likely it's the UTC=yes/no problem that is causing that
22:02<dondelelcaro>anyway, what does hwclock --show; output now?
22:02<[gloom]>with the system clock you mean the BIOS?
22:02<dondelelcaro>the hardware clock
22:02<[gloom]>the same error timed out. But my BIOS time is correct
22:02<cjmrdc>hwclock --show; does nothing for me
22:02<[gloom]>it stores my local times, as supposed
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22:06<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: does your clock get set correctly if you go hwclock --hctosys --localtime; ?
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22:07<[gloom]>the same error: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out!!
22:07<[gloom]>it seems i cannot acces the hwclock with this command
22:08<dondelelcaro>well, then that's almost definetly why it's not getting set properly.
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22:08<dondelelcaro>since that's the call that actually sets the system clock early in boot
22:08<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: check dmesg to see if there's any useful information there.
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22:16<[gloom]>many info, but I can't find any errors. anyway:
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22:18<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: yeah, nothing obvious there
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22:18<dondelelcaro>anyway, the rtc is almost definetly the real problem, but I'm not sure what's causing it
22:18<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: you could try searching to see if anyone else has had that problem with your laptop, or you could try using a newer kernel to see if that resolves it.
22:19<[gloom]>the kernel is 2.6.22, the lastest on the repo
22:20<[gloom]>and I have found this, but I don't know where is the equivalent gentoo file he edits in the debian distro:
22:21<[gloom]>another clue
22:21<[gloom]>hwclock --directisa --show shows: jue 06 dic 2007 04:21:04 CET -0,438354 seconds
22:21<[gloom]>this is the right local time here
22:22<[gloom]>but my kde insists that is 5:22
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22:22<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: right, ok. so go hwclock --directisa --localtime --hctosys
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22:23<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: and then add HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa to /etc/default/rcS
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22:25<[gloom]>ok, rebooting to see if it keeps the time
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22:27<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: worked like a charm!
22:28<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: cool
22:28<[gloom]>can you tell me what was the problem?
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22:28<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: yeah, on boot it assumes that the hardware clock is set to UTC; because without --directisa it couldn't read the hardware clock, it didn't reset the system clock appropriately.
22:28<odla>a package needs to be at least 10 days to migrate to testing?
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22:29<dondelelcaro>odla: that's the general rule, but there are exceptions
22:29<[gloom]>aha. And the use of the directisa parameter depends on the hardware?
22:29<dondelelcaro>odla: priority can make it transition faster if it has fewer bugs
22:29<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: yeah, most hardware doesn't require it
22:29<dondelelcaro>(in fact, yours is the first I've seen)
22:29<odla>dondelelcaro: so can i expect 2.6.1 in the next few days ....
22:29<[gloom]>this is a new Acer 5920G. these guys at acer make strange hw:D
22:30<dondelelcaro>odla: most likely, yeah.
22:30<odla>dondelelcaro: thanks
22:30<dondelelcaro>odla: I can't remember if sparc is a migration blocker, so that might be problematic, but otherwise it should be ok
22:30<odla>dondelelcaro: great
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22:32<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: thanks a lot
22:32<dondelelcaro>odla: if Dirk hasn't done it already, asking for a rebuild on sparc is probably good enough
22:33<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: np
22:33<odla>dondelelcaro: does dirk hang around on #debian-devel?
22:34<dondelelcaro>odla: not to my knowledge
22:35<dondelelcaro>odla: you could e-mail him and/or cc too
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22:35<odla>dondelelcaro: thanks
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23:03<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know why the "date" command would simultaneously start returning the wrong date and time on two debian boxes? It's now returning "UTC" (universal time coordinated) instead of the local time. To the best of my knowledge, the two computers do not share time or date information, so I suspect a common misconfiguration, or even a common time package with a software bug is installed on both. Suggestions?
23:04<dondelelcaro>kingsley: hwclock isn't working properly on your machine? /etc/default/rcS misconfigured?
23:04<dondelelcaro>kingsley: do you dual boot those machines?
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23:07<predder>kingsley, try hwclock --show to query the rtc
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23:08<predder>date -u will show the UTC time for the systems, date shows just with the configured timezone and you can run tzconfig to reconfigure what that is
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23:15<kingsley>dondelelcaro: "hwclock --show" seems to be working on both computers. One of them can be dual booted, but as a practical matter, has run only linux for months.
23:15<dondelelcaro>kingsley: and it shows reaonable values in UTC?
23:15<kingsley>predder: Yes, I have. It seems fine. It's the output of the "date" command that seems wrong.
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23:17<dondelelcaro>kingsley: ok, what does date -u; say?
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23:17<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: could we change the channel name to #hwclock dont you think??:D
23:18<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: heh
23:18<dondelelcaro>for some reason problems like this seem to come in droves; sunday (or monday?) it was all about madwifi
23:19<kingsley>dondelelcaro: "date -u" says "Thu Dec 6 04:18:40 UTC 2007".
23:20<dondelelcaro>kingsley: ok, that's right then.
23:20<dondelelcaro>kingsley: it's just your timezone that's wrong
23:20<dondelelcaro>kingsley: what does just date; say?
23:21<kingsley>dondelelcaro: "date" says "Thu Dec 6 04:21:11 UTC 2007".
23:21<dondelelcaro>kingsley: ok, and what timezone do you expect it to say?
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23:22<kingsley>dondelelcaro: I expect the date command to say something like US/Pacific.
23:24<dondelelcaro>kingsley: ok, so what does TZ="America/Los_Angeles" date; do?
23:24<dondelelcaro>kingsley: what you expect, right?
23:24<dondelelcaro>kingsley: if so, run tzselect; as root and select the proper timezone.
23:25<dondelelcaro>(or, if you want to keep the system wide timezone in UTC, set TZ="America/Los_Angeles" (or similar) in your user's environment)
23:25<kingsley>dondelelcaro: Unfortunately, no. 'TZ="America/Los_Angeles" date' also returns a UTC.
23:25<dondelelcaro>kingsley: what does dpkg -l tzdata; output?
23:27<kingsley>dondelelcaro: The tzdata package isn't installed on one computer with the "date" bug, but it is installed on the other, although not the latest unstable version.
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23:28<dondelelcaro>kingsley: ok, it should be installed on both computers.
23:30<kingsley>dondelelcaro: I agree that tzdata should be installed on both, but, I find myself wondering whether that's the root problem. After all, tzdata is installed on one computer, but the date command still fails.
23:31<dondelelcaro>kingsley: if the date command fails, it's because you haven't input a timezone that it knows about
23:31<dondelelcaro>that happens because the files aren't there, are jacked, or whatever.
23:32<kingsley>dondelelcaro: Can you elaborate on what "the files" means?
23:32<dondelelcaro>kingsley: the files which contain the zone information, which are packaged in tzdata.
23:33<dondelelcaro>kingsley: so long as date -u; returns the proper time, the system clock is set correctly.
23:34<kingsley>dondelelcaro: I'm happy to report that installing tzdata on the computer which didn't have it, fix its problem. Thank you.
23:34<dondelelcaro>kingsley: np; you probably need to reinstall it on the other one
23:34<kingsley>ve its problem.
23:35<kingsley>Oops, wrong window.
23:35<dondelelcaro>(it is pretty wierd not to have it though, as util-linux depends on it, and util-linux is Essential: yes, Priority: required)
23:35<kingsley>dondelelcaro: Yes, I'll try updating tzdata on the other computer.
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23:37<kingsley>dondelelcaro: You might be interested to know that at least one version of util-linux, 2.12-9, doesn't depend on tzdata.
23:38<dondelelcaro>kingsley: huh.
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23:39<dondelelcaro>!+depends util-linux
23:39<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
23:40<dpkg>util-linux: pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.15), libslang2 (>= 2.0.7-1), libuuid1, zlib1g (>= 1:
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