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---Logopened Sat Dec 08 00:00:41 2007
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00:00<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
00:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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00:02<mikes1>!nvidia one-liner
00:02<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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00:10<kill_u>hi all
00:11<kill_u>is anyone know the download manager for linux which can stop the PC after complete the download
00:13<blarson>kill_u: pretty much any command line tool: wget http://foobar ; sudo shutdown -h now
00:13<simonrvn>you mean like wget http://somesite.tld/somefile; sudo shutdown -h now ?
00:14<kill_u>but shutdown want password
00:14[~]simonrvn sat there for a couple of minutes wondering WTF a "download manager" was
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00:14<blarson>Yes, that was an example using wget to download a file then shutdown.
00:15<blarson>kill_u: You can configure sudo not to ask for a password.
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00:15<kill_u>he not very good
00:15<simonrvn>not exactly wise setting up sudo with shutdown with no pw ...
00:16<simonrvn>might as well just go back to using windows... *shudder*
00:17<kill_u>and if i have not windows?
00:17<kill_u>then i mus use my ubuntu
00:18<simonrvn>wrong channel anyway. #ubuntu is not here
00:18<kill_u>I'm know that
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00:20<kill_u>but in ubuntu channel can't gave me a other solve
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00:25<alaya>is there a way to initiate an etch installation from a running debian via network?
00:26<alaya>so i want to replace the existing OS with a fresh etch install
00:27<blarson>alaya: You can do an install in a chroot partition, then update your boot loader to boot it.
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00:28<alaya>yeah no i need to actually repartition the disk and erase everything if possible
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00:29<alaya>well, i actually have a second disk with free space that i could do a temp install on, and use that to reinstall over the main disk, if that is possible
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00:41<myWifeIs19>is CDDB dead??
00:43<myWifeIs19>sorry I meant freedb
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01:08<lulu>excuse me, how can I find the BusID of my video card
01:09<chealer>lulu: if you don't mind, why do you want that?
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01:12<lulu>chealer, well, I can't run X server, I have tried ati, radeon, and fglrx driver (I have an ATI Radeon X700), but I can't start it, not even with vesa, I thought that maybe if I specify the bus something could happen, I get this 3 errors: Cannot find empty range to map base to, 2: Vesa(0) Cannot read V_BIOS, 3: Screens found, but none have a usable configuration
01:13<chealer>lulu: you can check with lspci
01:15<lulu>chealer, I get 02:00:1, and xorg.conf has something like this "PCI:1:0:0"
01:15<lulu>any ideas?
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01:17<nobudy>hello, i'm trying to get read write access to my windows drive so i could copy some downloads from my linux drive to it, someone mentioned ntfs-3g but there's not one for debian in the stable branch
01:17<chealer>lulu: looks like PCI:2:0:1
01:17<nobudy>i tried installing the ntfsprogs which came with a read write option/program, but trying to use it it says /dev/fuse no such file or directory
01:18<nobudy>udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ was the installers message
01:18<nobudy>i need to restart or something?
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01:19<chealer>nobudy: no
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01:27<dyne>Hi I don't know hot to approach this question in google. I'm running Debian Etch on a 1440 x 900 resolution but it looks extremley pixelated. I have an old video card, but I am positive it supports this resolution, because I used to have fedora and it worked just fine.
01:28<dyne>Can anyone give me some pointers or help me out with the video card configuration?
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01:28<dyne>I tried with the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and no go
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01:30<dyne>Oh yeah I'm using 2.6.18-5-486
01:32<alaya>dyne: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config perhaps?
01:33<alaya>dyne: use xdpyinfo to verify that's its actually at the 1440 res
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01:39<mohkohn>Do I need sources in my apt-sources.list? Would my dist-upgrade to sid be faster without them?
01:43<dyne> dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (366x229 millimeters)
01:43<dyne> resolution: 100x100 dots per inch
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01:44<Shimei>Hi. Does anyone know if there's a way to get Xorg to do automatic screen rotation when the monitor is rotated on large displays?
01:44<alaya>dyne: lcd or crt?
01:45<Shimei>From all I can find on Google, it seems that people just use scripts with xrandr to rotate, which seems silly given that Windows does automatic rotation.
01:45<dyne>apparently it is at the 1440 resolution
01:46<dyne>I was also thinking it might work if I use the nvidia drivers, but this card is so old I'm not sure if the nvidia drivers are supported. I'm usin a TNT card.
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01:47<dyne>Sorry Alaya I thought you weren't asking me. I'm using a SyncMaster 941BW
01:48<dyne>Its an LCD
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01:50<chealer>mohkohn: don't dist-upgrade to sid
01:51<mohkohn>why not? chealer
01:51<chealer>mohkohn: it's not for you
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01:52<mohkohn>that is an in depth answer!
01:52<dyne>I know I can't expect the screen to look uber crisp and all, but I've seen it work a lot better on this monitor
01:53<chealer>dyne: it doesn't seem to be a driver issue
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01:55<dyne>Well any ideas on how to get it working right would be greatly appretiated, or any documentation as to how to make it look better =)
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01:55<alaya>dyne: if lcd then sub-pixel hinting should help fonts be more clear
01:56<alaya>dyne: 1440 is the native res of the panel?
01:56<dyne>Yes it is. Pretty much everything looks bad on non 1440.
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01:57<dyne>sub pixel hinting?
01:58<alaya>dyne: i'm not sure how to enable it anymore. used to be i think when you reconfig defoma it asked a question
01:58<alaya>also, what is the color depth ?
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01:59<dyne>How can I check that? Same command you gave me?
01:59<alaya>you can try
01:59<dyne>in good theory, everything is set to 24 bits
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02:00<alaya>xdpyinfo says it is?
02:00<dyne> visual:
02:00<dyne> visual id: 0x23
02:00<dyne> class: TrueColor
02:00<dyne> depth: 24 planes
02:00<dyne> available colormap entries: 256 per subfield
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02:01<dyne>Hehe oops
02:01<dyne>How do I use the flood bot?
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02:01<alaya>debhelper has kicked dyne from #debian (use the paster bot or #flood)
02:01<dyne>Yeah I saw
02:02<alaya>just join #flood and paste there, or use
02:02<dyne>Channel is invite only
02:02<alaya>flood? no
02:02<mohkohn>Is testing now only on DVD?
02:03<petemc>nobody uses flood anymore
02:03<dyne>I'm going to paste both my xorg.conf and also xdpyinfo ok?
02:03<alaya>what happened to it?
02:03<alaya>dyne: i cannot really help
02:03<peterS>everyone just usese paste sites nowadays, #flood is out of fashion
02:03<chealer>mohkohn: no
02:03<chealer>peterS! still alive!
02:04<dyne>alaya: I think its actually set up to 8 bits somehow
02:04<peterS>yes, still alive
02:04<alaya>i guess the kick message should be updated then...
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02:04<alaya>dyne: you know how to reconfigure xorg right?
02:04<mohkohn>I just looked jigdo-cd, iso-cd and bt-cd and there is nothing
02:04<peterS>dondelelcaro: ping - debhelper kicks people saying 'use the paster bot or #flood' - but oftc #flood is not useful, can that reference be deleted?
02:04<alaya>!tell dyne about drxx
02:05<mohkohn>found it.
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02:06<dyne>Yes, with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? Yes but it doesn't seem to help out
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02:12<alaya>did you perhaps select to use framebuffer when configuring xorg?
02:13<dyne>Nope I deselected it
02:13<dyne>I just reconfigured xorg to be sure
02:13<dyne>if its enabled, it doesn't even let me load up the gui
02:13<alaya>what looks bad? just fonts? or everything?
02:13<dyne>fonts, and alsothe screen seems to be a little bit "pushed" downside
02:13<alaya>you mean you can't even start x now?
02:14<dyne>I couldn't, I reconfigured xorg real quick
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02:14<alaya>you could try the nvidia driver
02:15<dyne>Yeah I was considering that but I was having a hard time installing that on etch
02:15<alaya>install nvidia-kernel-..... for whatever your arch/kernel type
02:16<dyne>I get that with uname -r right?
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02:18<dyne>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-
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02:18<alaya>or dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i' |grep linux-image
02:19<alaya>or you can use module assistant
02:19<alaya>!tell dyne about nvidia
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02:26<dyne>I assume I need to restart x adter I run dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg right?
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02:26<alaya>yes. if running a _dm then restart that
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02:29<lindenle>Anyone here that can help me figure out why the kernel module I am working on does not seem to work?
02:30<chealer>lindenle: not unless you're more specific
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02:31<lindenle>Well the init_module function gets called wherein i register the device but the function that is set inprobe never seems to get called.
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02:33<chealer>lindenle: if your question isn't specific to Debian, ask #linux
02:36<lindenle>chealer: yeah your right
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02:39<Frozen>i trie to install macromedia flash 9 to iceweasel and started the install and entered /usr/lib/iceweasel (browser was closed) and it say that the install is completed but when i start iceweasel and go to ex youtube it asks me to install flash :/ anyone that can help me? =)
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02:40<chealer>Frozen: how did you install it?
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02:42<dyne>Well it kind of puked on the nvidia driver... so I went and editted the xorg.conf by hand and changed it to "nv" again... and it looks better...
02:43<dyne>The screen does look a bit brighter and it has some of the video card effects but the fonts still look a little bit pixelated. Maybe I skipped a step on the page you got, may I have it again please?
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02:43<chealer>!tell dyne about ngd
02:43<Frozen>chealer: ./flashplayer-installer , [ enter x2 ] path to mozilla /usr/lib/iceweasel [ enter ]
02:44<chealer>Frozen: why didn't you use flashplugin-nonfree?
02:44<Frozen>i downloaded the .tar.gz from their homepage
02:45<chealer>Frozen: and why did you do that rather than using flashplugin-nonfree?
02:45<Frozen>i dont know what flashplugin-nonfree is
02:46<dyne>Aah I had DRI enabled. BRB
02:46<chealer>Frozen: Adobe's installer isn't supported here.
02:46<dyne>.. say how can I use irc via console?
02:46<chealer>dyne: use a console IRC client.
02:46<dyne>which one do you use?
02:46<Frozen>dyne irssi is a good one
02:48<Frozen>chealer: ok so how should i do to install the flashplugin?
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02:52<chealer>Frozen: hum...which Debian suite do you use?
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02:53<dyne>Ok, it seems to be working with the modules that wiki page says, but it's giving me conflicts with the nvidia driver. I have to use nv else it crashes.
02:54<dyne>(I enabled glx and disabled dri)
02:55<Frozen>dyne: this one debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
02:55<chealer>Frozen: install flashplugin-nonfree
02:56<Frozen>i did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and it say md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
02:56<Frozen>The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
02:56<dyne>Hmm I think I may have found the problem... how do I know if I'm using nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
02:56<chealer>Frozen: is apt-get your favorite package manager?
02:56<Frozen>well i jsut installed this so i have no idea if i have any other i used SUSE before
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02:57<dyne>Yeah I installed the nvidia-glx and I was supposed to install the legacy
02:57<dyne>apt-get remove nvidia-glx
02:57<chealer>Frozen: which desktop environment do you use?
02:57<Frozen>The one with the K ^^ knoppe?
02:57<Frozen>knopix perhaps :o
02:58<chealer>Frozen: you mean KDE?
02:58<chealer>heh. Frozen, try synaptic or adept
02:59<Frozen>chealer: in the console? If so it dont work ^^
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02:59<chealer>Frozen: they're graphical applications. synaptic should have a menu item, adept too if you install it.
03:00<cahoot>but then use apt-get to install it? ;)
03:00<chealer>he can always use synaptic to install adept :)
03:01[~]chealer wakes up
03:01<Frozen>chealer: i have KPackage Package Manager :P i am pretty fresh on linux :]
03:01<chealer>he wrote he download -xfce, but using KDE...
03:01<chealer>Frozen: KPackage is quite inferior to synaptic IMO
03:02<chealer>Frozen: with synaptic you shouldn't have your problem
03:02<Frozen>ok ^^ i try and install it then :]
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03:04<chealer>ah, Frozen is right, kde-desktop doesn't install synaptic
03:05<Frozen>I found it in the list but it say WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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03:07<dyne>Ok no not yet it doesn't let me load up the nvidia driver grrrrr
03:07<dyne>May I have the name of the console IRC client again please, forgive me for having to ask afain
03:08<dyne>And thanks a lot for being patient with me :(
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03:13<dyne>Ok, when I use the nv driver it lets me load the GUI just fine. When I use nvidia, I get the following errors:
03:13<dyne>Fatal server error: no screens found
03:14<chealer>!tell dyne about no screens found
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03:15<dyne>I'm sorry to ask this but how do I check pms on irssi? I'm used to gui irc clients
03:17<Staz>'/help window' is a good start
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03:19<dyne>window list
03:19<dyne>hey at least I'm trying :p
03:20<Supaplex>there is no try ;) hehe jk
03:21<dyne>If that was a joke I didn't get it =(
03:21<dyne>I don't remember that line =(
03:21<dyne>I'm like uber focused to get this to work
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03:24<dyne>!ask dpkg about troubleshooting x
03:25<dyne>!tell dyne about troubleshooting x
03:25<alaya>just type /msg dpkg <topic>
03:25<dyne>The (EE) error I give isn't too significant either
03:26<dyne>(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
03:26<alaya>you can always boot the ubuntu cd and look and see what config/driver its using for x
03:26<chealer>dyne: if that's the first error, which warnings do you have?
03:27<dyne>None. I do get a fatal error
03:28<dyne>ern.. is there a way to copy and paste from console or I need to type it? lol
03:28<chealer>dyne: consider providing your log
03:28<dyne>can I do that via xdcc?
03:28<dyne>or should I post it on that site you gave me earlier?
03:29<chealer>dyne: don't DCC, use a pastebin, yes
03:29<dyne>lemme bring the gui back up
03:29<dyne>... or can I use pastebin via console?
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03:31<lindenle>anyone know a good IRC channel for c programming questions?
03:31<chealer>!tell dyne about pastebin pipe
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03:38<dyne>So its cat log (pipe) paste2(restofthefilename) ?
03:38<dyne>haha I can't find the pipe
03:38<Supaplex>perl paste2... < log
03:38<Supaplex>heres a |
03:39<dyne>That's easier
03:39<dyne>... sec
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03:40<chealer>dyne: "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!" is the line you missed
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03:42<dyne>That doesn't seem to be pretty significant though =(
03:43<yos87>I insert D-like wireless card in my pc, and I install gnome wifi-radar, But the system doesn't seems to see the network card, what can I do?
03:44<Staz>lindenle : #c on Freenode is pretty good
03:44<dyne>Oh, the warnings are there
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03:44<Staz>but you can't beat a good book
03:45<yos87>does d-like devices supported?
03:45<Supaplex>!tell yos87 -about pciid
03:46<chealer>dyne: don't send non-private messages in private without asking for permission first
03:46<yos87>Supaplex: I didn't understand
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03:46<Supaplex>yos87: run lspci -nn, paste the line for the cardbus device here
03:49<yos87>no carbus, there is SM bus, I past them anyway
03:50<Supaplex>!pciid [1814:0302]
03:50<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 1814:0302 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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03:50<Supaplex>alias pci:v00001814d00000302sv*sd*bc*sc*i* rt61
03:50<yos87>Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 1094 (rev 01
03:50<Supaplex>yos87: is the rt61 device loaded? lsmod | grep rt61
03:50<lindenle>hat is the smallest and easiest to configure mail system if i want
03:50<lindenle> to send all mail from clients to one smarthost central server?
03:51<yos87>Supaplex: when I enter the command lsmod } grep rt61 nothing appear
03:51<Supaplex>} is not a |
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03:52<yos87>Supaplex: it's typing mistake here, But I use | in the terminal
03:52<Supaplex>lindenle: just a pure relay from there to a smarthost? nullmailer I suppose
03:52<Supaplex>yos87: modprobe rt61
03:53<yos87>Supaplex: { is near | in my keyboard
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03:53<chealer>yos87: do you mean D-Link?
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03:53<lindenle>Supaplex: ok i will look I basically just want to dump everything into one host
03:53<yos87>chealer: yes, it's D-Link
03:53<chealer>yos87: some D-Link devices are supported, some aren't.
03:54<yos87>Supaplex: it said FATAL: module rt61 not found
03:54<yos87>chealer: But it's not wroking, I insert it into the pc , and I install wifi-radar, it's not wroking
03:54<yos87>it said eth2 is not there
03:55<dyne>Are my video card problems caused by those warnings abouve?
03:55<chealer>dyne: no
03:55<Supaplex>yos87: what's uname -r show?
03:55<yos87>Supaplex: 2.6.18-5-686
03:55<chealer>dyne: oh, sorry. I don't know.
03:56<dyne>Do you think it may be the video card itself?
03:56<dyne>Is now a good time to give up? lol
03:56<chealer>dyne: no
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03:56<Supaplex>dyne: use nv vesa, or /msg dpkg nvidia
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03:56<chealer>dyne: no for both questions
03:56<dyne>nv works, but it still shows my fonts a little bit pixelated.
03:57<Supaplex>yos87: rt61 is apparently from m-a. /msg dpkg m-a
03:57<Supaplex>I think...
03:57<dyne>It's funny though, with the nvidia instalation it shows my whole screen a lot better, but I'm using the nv driver
03:57<chealer>Supaplex: really?
03:58<chealer>dyne: weren't you using vesa before?
03:58<yos87>Supaplex: the what can I do now
03:59<dyne>I'vebeen using nv. I tried moving to nvidia but I get those errors.
03:59<Supaplex>chealer: yea, it's in my extra/ module directory.
03:59<Supaplex>but it's not found with dpkg -S, so I doubt it's in m-a come to think of it...
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03:59<dyne>However, I followed the nvidia howto and it works, except that I need to use the nv driver... but the screen does look a lot better
03:59<chealer>Supaplex: which wireless card do you use?
03:59<dyne>My fonts look a bit pixelated still but it's a lot more nicer to work with
04:00<yos87>chealer: for me I have D-Link
04:00<Supaplex>I think it's one of these modded wifi that reach 2KM
04:00<chealer>dyne: why do you need to use the nv driver?
04:00<chealer>Supaplex: huh?
04:00<yos87>but it's not working
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04:01<dyne>chealer: I need to use the nv driver because the nvidia one doesn't seem to work, and the vesa one isn't letting me use 1440x900 resolution
04:01<Supaplex>dyne: elaborate on nvidia
04:01<chealer>dyne: I'm sure the nvidia driver can work
04:02<dondelelcaro>peterS: unfortunatly, it cannot, because it's hardcoded into the tcl.
04:02<dyne>supaplex: I followed the nvidia howto on the wiki site. I followed it step by step, but my x won't start. I tried changing the line on xorg.conf, the one about the driver? From nvidia to nv and it's letting me use the gui
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04:03<Supaplex>dyne: sounds like the nvidia module wasn't installed, even if it was compiled
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04:04<dyne>supaplex: Ok, and to compile it? Do I need to redo everything on the wiki?
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04:05<chealer>Supaplex: what makes you think that?
04:05<Supaplex>chealer: because I still have the sources delafternov3/rt61-cvs-2007110210/Module/rt61.ko
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04:06<Supaplex>chealer: he also pasted lspci -nn which on my system matches the !pciid ... [vvvv:dddd]
04:07<chealer>Supaplex: OK, but I was talking about your message to dyne
04:07<dyne>Yeah now that you said it I installed the nvidia-glx-legacy but not the nvidia-kernel-legacy
04:07<Supaplex>because the nv xorg driver needs no kernel module, if nvidia was loaded, it should have worked. even if it was only installed, right?
04:08<dyne>I installed nvidia-kernel, should I uninstall that one?
04:08<Supaplex>faik, modprobe would have sniffed it out
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04:08<Supaplex>dyne: try modprobe nvidia
04:09<Supaplex>you might have to w/o x running
04:09<chealer>dyne: no, nvidia-kernel-legacy should already be installed
04:09<dyne>No nvidia graphics adapter found
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04:10<chealer>Supaplex: I don't understand your first sentence. nv and nvidia are quite different, I don't see the relation.
04:11<alaya>last time i checked compusa and fry's had really decent graphics cards for ~$5 with rebates...
04:11<Supaplex>he says he tried nvida after the wiki steps. if he did, I believe modprobe should have detected the kernel module needs to be loaded when it was requested.
04:12<chealer>Supaplex: yeah...but I still don't understand why you're talking about nv.
04:12<dyne>Good reply alaya :(
04:12<Supaplex>if nv did use a kernel module, its resources would have claimed what nvidia needs
04:13<alaya>dyne: can't you boot knoppix or some other livecd and just see what drivers its using and dump the x config?
04:14<dyne>I guess I could do that
04:14<Supaplex>I'd like to know if lsmod | grep nvidia shows anything right now. :)
04:14<alaya>is there some command for x server to dump its currently running config suitable for input into xorg.conf ?
04:14<chealer>Supaplex: maybe there's just a "not" missing in your's quite late here. do you mean "because the nv xorg driver needs no kernel module, if nvidia was NOT loaded, it should have worked." ?
04:15<dyne>One sec
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04:15<Supaplex>it's late here to... are you trying to enlighten me on something I'm overlooking?
04:15<dyne>No it doesn't
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04:16<dyne>supaplex: no it doesn't
04:16<yos87>Supaplex: too much confusing, I didn't understand
04:16<chealer>Supaplex: probably, unless I'm missing something myself :)
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04:17<alaya>apparently on some distros theres an /etc/X11/.xorg.conf file that can be copied as a template
04:18<Supaplex>dyne: so modprobe nvidia, returns No nvidia graphics adapter found?
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04:19<dyne>modprobe nvidia returns:
04:19<dyne>No NVIDIA graphics adapter found
04:19<Supaplex>let me try one thing. brb.
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04:20<dyne>(I bet everyone wants to nuke me atm)
04:22<alaya>didn't it say in the instructions to modprobe the module?
04:24<Supaplex>back. yes, and it's not a lot of good if it says no hardware found huh? :P silly computers.
04:25<Supaplex>well the good news is, modprobing for nvidia while X is running, works, and is harmless. nice to know. (using nv+810 atm)
04:26<alaya>i pointed him to the nvidia factoid which points to a debian wiki page which i presume mentions modprobing in the instructions
04:26<Supaplex>dyne: what's this show? lspci -nn | grep 0300
04:27<chealer>ah, I know...
04:27<Supaplex>I've got about 10m of life left in me before I fall asleep
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04:28<dyne>It shows
04:29<dyne>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
04:29<chealer>dyne: I was basically wrong, you do need to remove nvidia-kernel and redo step 1.
04:29<dyne>nVidia Corporation NV4
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04:30<dyne>I will remove it and redo the howto again
04:30<chealer>dyne: no need, just step 1
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04:33[~]Supaplex brain HZ
04:33<dyne>one sec
04:33<Supaplex>time's up ;)
04:34<dyne>Supaplex can I msg you something real quick?
04:34<Supaplex>sure, I guess so
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04:36<mblex>can anyone help me? notebook using colinux,xming,icewm,winxp-home, - cant setup layout switch - not working, have to switch with a mouse click in tray, but i love keyboard... can anyone help me please?
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04:37<Gekz>can calling dpkg-reconfigure -a cause any damage?
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04:38<Supaplex>I don't get how colinux is debian. *shrug*
04:38<dyne>supaplex: How do I uninstall the older version? Since I'm installing with m-a, I dunno how to uninstall the older version
04:39<Supaplex>if you're installing a new one, it should upgrade seamlessly. apt-get remove thatoldstinkypackage if you really need to.
04:40<Supaplex>anyway, brainjuice@localhost is now 0%. goodnight. :)
04:40<dyne>It gave me a conflict
04:40<dyne>Hehe sleep well =)
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04:44<BBoyDanny>hi all =)
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04:47<mblex>ok i'll try it myself.. again )))
04:47<mblex>looks like windows catches hotkeys before the colinux do
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04:53<dyne>alaya you here?
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04:55<dyne>Just wanted to say thanks =)
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05:01<dyne>Well the nvidia drivers FINALLY seem to be working
05:01<dyne>which is sexy... BUT it's not letting me use 1440x900.
05:02<cahoot>see if nvidia-settings is available
05:03<dyne>it's not
05:03<compton>can anyone point me towards chinese to english text translation software?
05:04<compton>something thats console based. its for a web application.
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05:04<cahoot>dyne: already tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
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05:05<cahoot>dyne: keep it in channel, others might have better help to offer
05:05<dyne>I checked my xorg.cong file and everything is set exclusively to 1440x900
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05:06<cahoot>dyne: Xorg.0.log offers no explanation?
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05:10<dyne>(WW) NVIDIA(0): horizontal sync width (1880 - 1472 = 408) greater than 256
05:10<cahoot>did you define sync ranges in xorg.conf?
05:11<dyne>HorizSync 30-81
05:11<dyne>VertRefrsh 56-60
05:11<cahoot>is this etch?
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05:14<dyne>I think I got it
05:14<dyne>one sec
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05:18<dyne>Lemme restart to see if it worked
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05:20<dyne>HOLY SHIT
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05:21<dyne>It looks so crisp
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05:23<dyne>I'm finally done =)
05:23<dyne>Thanks sooooo much to everyone =)
05:23<dyne>meh everyone's afk
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05:30<dyne>Who just msged me btw?
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05:41<alaya>added the modeline?
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05:49<AzaTht>U+206A is visible as a char-square in iceweasel for me
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05:55[~][1]thijs hi
05:55[~][1]thijs hi all
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05:56<[1]thijs>how to costumize debian ccd
05:56<[1]thijs>how works it
05:56[~][1]thijs ?
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06:00<santosh>hello everyone! is it ok to ask newbie questions here?
06:00<dli>!tell santosh about ask
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06:01<dli>!tell [1]thijs about debian-live
06:01<santosh>ok, jsut installed debian etch in dell latitude c600, 1.8ghz, 512m. i need to tune my box now. where shall i
06:01<santosh> start? kernel compiling or security?
06:02<[1]thijs>lenny is oke
06:02<[1]thijs>voor servers etc
06:02<santosh>also i have one wlan card that needs installing...
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06:02<gsimmons>santosh: Which wireless LAN device do you have?
06:02<santosh>i got the newest kernel, but all that works is make menuconfig. i need to try xconfig...
06:03<dli>!tell santosh about k-p
06:03<santosh>d-link dwl-610
06:03<[1]thijs>just look a wiki
06:03<dli>santosh, you don't have to compile custom kernel
06:03<santosh>dli: k-p?
06:03<[1]thijs>go fly
06:04<santosh>thijs: i try that...
06:04<santosh>all: but how do i get graphical kernel config to work?
06:05<dli>santosh, for the dwl-610 card, it's bcm43xx
06:05<dli>!tell santosh about bcm43xx
06:05<gsimmons>dli: It is? I thought it was RealTek.
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06:05<dpkg>rumour has it, dwl-610 is a PCMCIA wireless LAN card manufactured by D-Link, based on the Realtek RTL8180 chipset. Ask me about <rtl-wifi>.
06:05<santosh>thijs: no need to install debian, i got it already. just need to add that wlan card...
06:06<dli>gsimmons, you must be right, I just remembered it wrong
06:06<[1]thijs>yes but you need to install by the install is simpler
06:07<[1]thijs>ore apt-cache search pc-cards-deoman
06:07<santosh>ok, this takes time. i need to think a little, my linux-skills are not uptodate, bout 10 years old
06:08<gsimmons>!tell santosh -about rtl-wifi
06:08<gsimmons>santosh: See the factoid provided to you by dpkg. There's installation instructions referenced for this driver.
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06:09<santosh>gsimmons: factoid?
06:09<gsimmons>santosh: Were you provided with a private message (in your IRC client) from dpkg?
06:09<santosh>basically, i need hand to hand info what to type in terminal :(
06:09<santosh>gs: yes.
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06:10<santosh>gs: that a person or bot or combinatoin?
06:10<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
06:10<santosh>ok, i read that dpkg channel and follow it's help?
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06:11<santosh>but where to put more questions? there? here? i think here...
06:12<Ikarus>What is the super ultra minimal memory requirement for a modern Debian install
06:13<gsimmons>santosh: Follow the instructions in the second URL provided by dpkg, it's fairly detailed. If you run into trouble, feel free to ask questions in here.
06:13<dli>Ikarus, the installation manual says 64MB for etch
06:13<vook>this is a soulless channel it seems.
06:14<vook>it wasn't always like this.
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06:15<santosh>gsimmons, i do that. good handtohand info to terminal. that i love! one reason for linux instead of... :)
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06:16<santosh>i love this. simple writing does all the job. all you need to know is to know.
06:17<santosh>i need to do that when-if i get totally new kernel? or compile it?
06:18<dli>santosh, the default kernel is always installed and loader configured, no need to compile yourself
06:18<Pakalolo>hello all
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06:20<santosh>dli, but i need to do that! i have done some kernelcompiling in 486's time, and i need to see how fast this machine is
06:20<Pakalolo>how can i do a sound test in debian 2.6.18-5-686? I'm using alsaconf and everything seems to be ok
06:20<gsimmons>santosh: You would need to compile and install the rtl-wifi driver for each kernel you wish to use. It's not included in the mainline kernel (the last time I checked, anyway) at this time.
06:20<santosh>dli, and also get the exitement of succeeding in it
06:20<dli>santosh, ask dpkg about k-p
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06:21<Pakalolo>it seems sounds from iceweasel come ok, but games and other stuff don't have sound
06:21<alaya>Pakalolo: try closing iceweasel and see if they play
06:21<dli>santosh, this should work,
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06:22<Pakalolo>do i have to close chatzilla too? :-(
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06:22<alaya>Pakalolo: if it makes sound, yes
06:22<dli>Pakalolo, aplay /dev/urandom
06:22<alaya>don't do that
06:22<alaya>that's idiotic
06:22<Pakalolo>easy man
06:23<alaya>and can fuck up your speakers
06:23<Pakalolo>i'll be back, see ya
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06:25<Pakalolo>no sound
06:25<Pakalolo>the volume is ok too and i'm using gnome
06:25<cahoot>fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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06:27<dli>!tell Pakalolo about alsa-checklist
06:27<cahoot>is that a bit outdated?
06:28<Pakalolo>here is the output /dev/snd/controlC0: user 3255 F.... mixer_applet2
06:28<alaya>Pakalolo: see if something's locking the card: as root run lsof |grep snd
06:28<cahoot>obviously nothing blocks it
06:29<dli>Pakalolo, cat /proc/asound/cards , make sure you are working with the right card
06:29<Pakalolo>i think i'm using the right card, i can listen youtube
06:30<Pakalolo>but i can't hear the sounds of any game, like abuse
06:30<cahoot>Pakalolo: run speaker-test in a terminal - error?
06:30[~][1]thijs how setup a sources.list.udeb
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06:30<Pakalolo>lsof |grep snd - mixer_app 3255 user 40u CHR 116,0 5955 /dev/snd/controlC0
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06:31<cahoot>Pakalolo: do the games use /dev/dsp? does /devdsp* exist?
06:32<Pakalolo>cahoot: that's ok, i heard a sound like rain
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06:32<cahoot>Pakalolo: then your sound basically is ok
06:32<[1]thijs>make[2]: dh_testroot: Opdracht niet gevonden
06:32<[1]thijs>make[2]: *** [stamps/get_udebs-netboot-stamp] Fout 127
06:32<[1]thijs>make[1]: *** [_build] Fout 2
06:32<[1]thijs>make: *** [build_netboot] Fout 2
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06:32<Pakalolo>i think i'll try to listen music in xmms
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06:33[~][1]thijs im sorry
06:33<cahoot>Pakalolo: make sure xmms uses alsa-output
06:33<Pakalolo>cahoot: yes, that's why this is weird - i can hear sounds coming from the browser, but not from games that comes with gnome
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06:36<Pakalolo>do i have to set permissions in abuse to unlock the sound? is that a permission problem?
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06:38<santosh>eh, where is my main driver directory?
06:39<cahoot>'main driver' ?
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06:40<santosh>, when you are in the driver main directory. says:
06:40<el>what is the best NTP news grabber for ubuntu? I need something that supports nzb files
06:40<dli>santosh, where you download and unzip
06:41<gsimmons>santosh: That would be the 'rtl-wifi' directory (created in your present working directory) made during the "Getting the Driver" step.
06:41<santosh>gsimmons, yes. i found it. :)
06:42<santosh>i have several of those different numbers there. how to choose?
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06:43<santosh>ah, ok, i typed make and it started automagically. sorry and thanks.
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06:46<santosh>modules error 2 :-(
06:47<Pakalolo>hey, do you know some games to download via apt-get? Is there a game really worth of downloading?
06:47<santosh>hey guys, i just hit the wall: modules error 2 . make gives that. am i screwed?
06:47<gsimmons>santosh: You'll need to provide the complete error output (at a paste site) for us to make any sense of it. Although you might want to checkout revision 57 of rtl-wifi instead, this at least compiles with 2.6.18.
06:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
06:48<vook>Pakalolo: eh, battle of westnoth is good.
06:49<Pakalolo>i have to test the sound output anyway...
06:50<vook>Pakalolo: it's actually a really good game. Also, emulators... amiga, dosemu, etc..
06:50<santosh>tried version 57: 2 warnings, those would not stop me :)
06:50<Pakalolo>apt-get install gnubg
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06:51<cahoot>Pakalolo: FYI it's a backgammon
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06:53<santosh>ok, but how to know if... i have 8187 or 8108 ?
06:54<gsimmons>santosh: You've an RTL8180. Use the r8180 driver.
06:56<santosh>omg! the link led started blinking!!111...
06:56<_mike_>Hi guys. When I run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, no problems. No problems with aptitude dist-upgrade either.
06:57<_mike_>But if I enter aptitude, it wants to delete about all my programs and upgrade a bunch of X stuff! Why?
06:57<_mike_>btw- running Etch ;)
06:57<santosh>eh two or three errors... again.
06:57<_mike_>apt-get check shows no problems.
06:58<Pakalolo>santosh: what errors?
06:58<santosh>no directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686' ?
06:59<santosh>but i checked, there is.
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07:01<santosh>eh, sorry. its missin makefile in scirpo
07:02<santosh>what does that mean? i have no source for that kernel?
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07:09<gsimmons>santosh: Sounds like you've missed a step. Have you installed the common header files for 2.6.18? Use "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)".
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07:10<santosh>eh, no. i did, 0 new, actually 1 to remove ?
07:10<santosh>then i again tried, but same thing. missing makefile in kernelheadersfile...
07:11<santosh>what wrong with this?
07:11<gsimmons>santosh: Please provide the complete error output you're receiving at a paste site.
07:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:12<santosh>for some stupid reason my terminal refuses to work with mousecopy... :8 i suck
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07:12<santosh>i am trying to get it work...
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07:14<santosh>terminal freezes when i trie to select with mouse. stays that way too.
07:16<SpeedyG>hey, for a full debian desktop install, 8GB diskspace would be more than enough right?
07:16<vook>SpeedyG: ya
07:17<SpeedyG>ok :) and what would be suggested, all in one partition or separate /var /home / , etc ?
07:17<SpeedyG>(i'm not new to debian :) )
07:17<fxiny>two at least : / and home
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07:17<SpeedyG>(just to desktop based)
07:18<Pakalolo>SpeedyG: and put up a good swap space
07:19<vook>ooo! ok. I suggest /boot at 96mb then / at about 384mb then swap, then usr at about 4gb, then home at about 2g, then var at about 768mb
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07:20<vook>actually add the extra to usr, then make a symlink from /var/cache/apt/archives to /usr/.archives
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07:21<Pakalolo>vook: XFS?
07:21<vook>ext3 on boot, jfs on the rest
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07:22<cahoot>vook: care to explain why a journal on /boot?
07:22<vook>don't forget to do a "mv /var/cache/apt/archives/ /usr/.archives"
07:22<vook>why not?
07:23<cahoot>waste of space for no reason?
07:23<vook>cahoot: oh come on. journaling is never a bad idea.
07:23<cahoot>waste of space for no reason
07:23<vook>dear lord
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07:24<cahoot>you realize it's /boot we talk about?
07:24<santosh>it's pasted there now :)
07:25<vook>cahoot: are you looking for an argument?
07:25<SpeedyG>vook: any reason for separate partition for those? :) I mean, on a server I can understand, but on a desktop/laptop not really ..
07:25<vook>whatever. I've tread these waters before.
07:25<Pakalolo>SpeedyG: To speed up performance
07:26<cahoot>vook: well you explicitly recommended ext3 on /boot - I asked why - is that a way to argue?
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07:26<fxiny>SpeedyG: i use a 3.5 max 4G for / so i can back it up on my /home , easy life ...
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07:27<vook>cahoot: why is because some people do write to boot with new kernels, and kernel info, and should something happen at that writing time, a journal is good.
07:27<santosh>pasted on "" but i cannot see it.
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07:27<SpeedyG>fxiny: only / and /home? no other partitions? :)
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07:28<fxiny>SpeedyG: yes , check lvm2 ;)
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07:28<SpeedyG>fxiny: hm, lvm2 wouldnt make much sense for me I guess :P since this 8GB is the only space i've got.. and am not planning to expand that.. ever.. :)
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07:29<fxiny>SpeedyG: a bit of swap ?
07:30<SpeedyG>fxiny: yeah. thats probably all i'm gonna get, some 4GB /, 1GB(max) Swap and 3GB /home or somth :)
07:30<fxiny>1G swap ? too much ;)
07:30<SpeedyG>max ;)
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07:31<SpeedyG>anyway, while this craptop is repartitioning using pqmagic, i'd better go do something useful ;)
07:31[~]SpeedyG afk
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07:31<fxiny>pmagic ^
07:31<santosh>done pasting. my error is in at
07:31<fxiny>i hate it !
07:32<fxiny>SpeedyG: never heard of gparted live cd ?
07:32<SpeedyG>yeah well, it's the only windows-part-mgr I know of thats a bit decent :p
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07:32<SpeedyG>fxiny: I have.. but too much hassle to download/burn it :P plus i've got no cdr/rw here ;)
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07:35<santosh>gsimmons_, hello? please? anyone?
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07:42<santosh>hmm. can you please help me? i pasted my error, but everyone seems to be on a lunchbreak
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07:44<sepski>santosh, or in a different timezone :P
07:44<fxiny>santosh: santosh> pasted on "" but i cannot see it. so how can we see it ? :P
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07:50<santosh>i can see, all can see it know.
07:51<santosh>i removed headers completely, then installed again. with synaptic packman, but to no avail. errors stay. :(
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08:05<deavid>good morning :)
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08:06<deavid>I'm trying to install a NDAS drive in Debian, by wireless
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08:07<deavid>It works by lan, by Wireless, but not in my AP Conceptronic
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08:08<deavid>the NDAS drive it's a bit strange... it doesn't use a TCP/IP protocol :S
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08:08<deavid>anyone has ever used a NDAS hard drive?
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08:17<santosh>ok guys, can you help me? i am at:
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08:18<santosh>in the second last place. all is left is the make it permanent. "make install" gives this :
08:19<Gathond> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686/scripts/basic/Makefile that file is missing
08:19<Gathond>most likely you are missing some package, kernel-headers perhaps
08:19<Gathond>check and search for that file
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08:21<santosh>hmm. i try that... takes time Makefile has 102 suggestions.
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08:22<Gathond>be more specific then, iirc you can include parts of the path in the search
08:22<santosh>i included all, and got zero reults :(
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08:25<santosh>pah, started synaptic packman, cheking... what it could be?
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08:29<santosh>i have linux-headers, but cannot see same kernel headers anywhere
08:29<santosh>what the heck do i need?
08:29<santosh>the same tools to compile kernel also?
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08:32<santosh>can't find that package in packages.deb...
08:32<santosh>it just simply does not exist.
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08:48<gsimmons_>santosh: What value do you receive from "ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686-kernel | wc -l" ?
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08:57<santosh>gsimmons, hello! wait, i check...
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08:58<gsimmons>santosh: Run "aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" immediately.
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08:59<azeem>gsimmons: eh, you typoed that path
09:00<gsimmons>azeem: You're right, thank you.
09:00<gsimmons>santosh: What value do you receive from "ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel | wc -l" ?
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09:03<santosh>after reboot, like all said. what now?
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09:06<santosh>gsimmons, what now?
09:06<yesgothic>eaê man
09:06<santosh>or who was it? hard to say after immediate reboot...
09:06<liko02>pra que serve isso?
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09:06<yesgothic>se comunicar
09:06<gsimmons>santosh: I'm able to reproduce your issue with revisions 57 and 62. With r57 at least, it comes with the consequence of having your removing installed kernel modules (during "make install" in the iee80211 dir). This is why I advised you to reinstall that package.
09:06<azeem>14:56 < gsimmons> santosh: What value do you receive from "ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel | wc -l" ?
09:07<gsimmons>s/having your removing/removing your/
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09:07<liko02>só serve só para os usuarios do infocentro?
09:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:08<liko02>que bom
09:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:08<santosh>zero !!
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09:09<santosh>hafta make some food now, fellows... brb checking also
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09:09<gsimmons>santosh: Don't use 'make install' within the iee80211 directory. Manually copy the iee80211 modules to /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/net/iee80211/ and run "depmod -a".
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09:12<netman1>Hi All. I suspect memory leakage on a system. Is there a debian utility I can run that reports about (growing) memory usage by all processes over a period of multiple days?
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09:12[~]fxiny reads : Programming is Hard, Let's Go Scripting... by Larry Wall December 06, 2007
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09:14<Berte>Hi, I have a nslu2 with debian, but my transfer rate is ridiculous slow( +70 kb) on samba! Any idea?
09:14<fxiny>serafim ? very goff indeed
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09:16<yesgothic>oi alex
09:16<dr_go>hi to all
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09:16<netman1>Berte: I would rule out samba by connecting to the same host with another protocol (ssh comes to mind) and test the transfer rates with it and compare.
09:16<yesgothic>serafim tambem ta na red
09:16<liko02>que diabos vç disse ai PSICO?
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09:17<yesgothic>serafim ta conectado também
09:17<fxiny>where the lisp lovers are ? "By policy, LISP has never really catered to mere mortals. And, of course, mere mortals have never really forgiven LISP for not catering to them." this is Larry Wall ;)
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09:18<daffytheduck>hi Im after a menu.lst file with fast mirrors on it can anyone help thnx
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09:19<dr_go>any one from italy
09:19<witte>daffytheduck: a sources.list or a /boot/grub/menu.lst with mirrors?
09:19<dr_go>qualche italiano qui
09:19<liko02>serafim cade vç?
09:19<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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09:20<yesgothic>italiano sua mãe
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09:20<liko02>tem alguma mulher pra tc comigo no msn?
09:20<witte>daffytheduck: you could try apt-spy
09:20<daffytheduck>yeah ive heard abotu it but im lazy
09:20<witte>!tell daffytheduck about apt-spy
09:21<yesgothic>qual véi
09:21<daffytheduck>or maybe !apt-spy
09:21<dpkg>somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list
09:21<santosh>gsimmons, can you paste me the URL of that document? rebooting=loosing... :(
09:22<daffytheduck>thnx witte ill give it a go
09:22<gsimmons>!tell santosh -about rtl-wifi
09:22<liko02>os italianos são todos gays
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09:23<yesgothic>yuor gays
09:23[~]fxiny sets the legendary wow signal power array detector on war mode
09:23<daffytheduck>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "apt-spy"
09:23<Pakalolo>santosh: solved your problem?
09:23<daffytheduck>anyone here got a deb for lenny
09:23<daffytheduck>for apt-spy
09:23<yesgothic>fuck you
09:23<JasonS>!ops liko02 and yesgothic are having a gradeschool your gay fight
09:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: liko02 and yesgothic are having a gradeschool your gay fight
09:24<liko02>the my problem is yous
09:24<daffytheduck>whats this business about a gay cat fight
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09:24<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
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09:25<JasonS>daffytheduck: children on thier parents computers
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09:25<@Ganneff>yesgothic, liko02 start making sense or go out.
09:25<witte>daffytheduck: apt-spy is in stable
09:25<Pakalolo>santosh: solved your problem? I was here before
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09:26<santosh>i get the same reboot now msg
09:26<liko02>gata afim de tc comigo?
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09:26<santosh>Pakalolo, nope, getting worse... somthing is wrong in my box
09:27<gsimmons>santosh: As previously indicated, don't use "make install" within rtl-wifi's iee80211 directory. Copy the iee80211*ko and r8180.ko modules to net/ieee80211 and drivers/net/wireless (respectively) within your /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel directory.
09:27<Pakalolo>do you have to reinstall?
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09:28<santosh>but dont i need to start over? those were not reboot proof, that was the original problem: couldnt do it :(
09:28<Pakalolo>maybe that's a bug
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09:29<santosh>well, basically since the start dows not work, hangs terminal, i continue with gsimmons kind info :)
09:29<JasonS>thanks weasel
09:29<JasonS>heh apparently im gay too :)
09:30<@weasel>you didn't know?
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09:30<gsimmons>santosh: The problem is with rtl-wifi's Makefiles. Manually transfer your compiled rtl-wifi modules to their necessary locations.
09:31<JasonS>it was news to me, i bet to my gf as well
09:31<santosh>gsimmons, yes, but i amt trying to remember them, box's and my memory empty...
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09:34<gsimmons>santosh: I'll provide a paste with the necessary commands. One moment.
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09:36<santosh>i hafta have this box working, because i am not falling back to the moneyoption OS
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09:39<monitor>e aí ?
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09:41<warpedby0>where are the test images located?
09:42<Berte>cat /dev/mtdblock* > /var/tmp/flash_backup.bin
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09:45<Berte>Hi, slowly transfer rate on nslu2 with debian, any idea?
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09:48<yesgothic>vc ?
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09:53<santosh>gsimmons, you still wake? :) i have been trying to find those moveable files... still doing it
09:53<gsimmons>santosh: Just about done. Patience is a virtue, etc.
09:53<santosh>i see, those insmodding needed ones, i see...
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09:54<hernan82arg>hi all
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09:54<santosh>somethimes i first need to be explained the big picture first, i see things that way more easy
09:54<hernan82arg>i'm having a problem with a process called barbut on my debian etch server
09:54<santosh>and english is not my native language, as you can tell.
09:55<hernan82arg>someone know anything about this?
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09:57<wjj>any body here
09:58<JasonS>wjj: nope
09:58<hernan82arg>wjj, hi
09:58<gsimmons>santosh: <>
09:58<wjj>how to install ati drivers?
09:59<hernan82arg>JasonS, u know something about barbut process?
10:00<wjj>modeule ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version?
10:00<Gathond>hernan82arg: google knows:)
10:00<JasonS>hernan82arg: you need to be more specific
10:00<[gloom]>have anyone managed to get the multimedia keyboard in a Acer5920G??
10:00<santosh>gsimmons, it gives me that reboot ASAP thingie again, after dpkg configure ... :(
10:01<wjj>ATI 8.40.4 ?
10:01<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
10:01<netman1>Hi All. I suspect memory leakage on a system. Is there a debian utility I can run that reports about (growing) memory usage by all processes over a period of multiple days?
10:02<hernan82arg>great guys, but google don't say anything how to fix the security hole
10:02<gsimmons>santosh: That's wasn't one of the commands in my paste.
10:02<santosh>now i need to reboot. it's that time again. phase 1 completed. brb
10:02<hernan82arg>i have the same problem like
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10:03<hernan82arg>but i don't have any solution
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10:04<hernan82arg>i think debian is the best distro for servers, but i can believe what this is happening to me
10:04<JasonS>hernan82arg: did you do what they suggested on that forum?
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10:06<JasonS>and what makes you think your being attacked?
10:06<hernan82arg>i'm updated
10:06<hernan82arg>i killed the process 20min ago
10:07<hernan82arg>my distro is debian etch updated to today
10:07<Eulex>hernan82arg, do you have the latest apache package for the release of debian you're using?
10:07<Eulex>2.2.3-4+etch1, that is?
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10:08<hernan82arg>Version: 2.2.3-4+etch1
10:09<Eulex>according to sources on the net, it's an awstats vulnerability
10:09<hernan82arg>yes, some idea to fix it?
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10:10<Xenguy>hernan82arg: have you run chkrootkit and rkhunter?
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10:10<Xenguy>hernan82arg: if you are 'infected' with something, it would be interesting to know if either chkrootkit or rkhunter detect it
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10:12<hernan82arg>i saw that, giveme 1 sec
10:13<Eulex>hernan82arg, I'd either use the workaround described there (use awstats to build static pages) or uninstall/disable it completely. in any case, you should file a bug tagged security against the package, whatever you do.
10:14<hernan82arg>i don't have awstats on my server
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10:14<Eulex>emh, hmm
10:15<Eulex>well, either you do, or the rootkit got into your server in some other way
10:15<Pakalolo>hi guys,i 've installed battle of wesnoth, but no sound coming on
10:15<Pakalolo>but youtube plays sound
10:15<hernan82arg>i'm installing rootkit
10:15<Pakalolo>on iceweasel
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10:16<santosh>hello! working now...
10:16<Eulex>hernan82arg, you mean chkrootkit?
10:16<santosh>in step 6 make i got 2 warnings.
10:16<Pakalolo>santosh: oh yeah? That's great! Parabéns!
10:16<santosh>gsimmons, nice!
10:16<santosh>Pakalolo, yes!
10:16<Eulex>Pakalolo, is libsdl1.2debian-all or libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed?
10:16<santosh>gsimmons, is this also after reboot?
10:17<gsimmons>santosh: If you followed the commands exactly, yes.
10:17<hernan82arg>Eulex, yup
10:17<santosh>ok. the result: wlan card works.
10:17<Pakalolo>Eulex: no! downloading now
10:17<santosh>gsimmons, but then i need some tools to use it effectively. well, that i do myself.
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10:18<santosh>gsimmons, but what was wrong? easily explained?
10:18<Pakalolo>Eulex: why these packages are not installed by default?
10:18<Eulex>Pakalolo, I believe it defaults to libsdl1.2debian-oss
10:19<Eulex>Pakalolo, and oss doesn't in most cases support sound output from several programs at the same time
10:19<Pakalolo>do you think to play battle of wesnoth i would have to close iceweasel?
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10:21<Pakalolo>Eulex: error audio: Could not open track 'main_menu_new.ogg'
10:21<Pakalolo>do i have to close iceweasel?
10:21<santosh>gsimmons, brb4mins tobacco
10:22<gsimmons>santosh: The installation instructions on the rtl-wifi are (IMO) flawed, at least wrt to Etch/2.6.18. There's not even an 'install' target in the top-level Makefile. I'll revise it when possible.
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10:23<Eulex>Pakalolo, ... have you installed the package containing the music for wesnoth?
10:23<Pakalolo>Eulex: how's that? i've installed wesnoth by apt-get
10:24<Eulex>I believe that package is optional
10:24<Pakalolo>Eulex: the music don't come togheter?
10:24<N1ghtCrawler>How can i exec a command on logon? In my case i want to attatch screen automatic on logon
10:24<Gathond>there is an optional wesnoth-music package year
10:24<Gathond>probably because its rather large
10:24<Pakalolo>apt-get install wesnoth-music
10:25<Pakalolo>oh my... imho this is weird
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10:26<Pakalolo>this happens only to confuse more and more
10:28<Pakalolo>is there a way to apt-get the package and all optionals?
10:28<hernan82arg>Eulex, chkrootkit and rkhunter says ok
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10:30<santosh>gsimmons, thanks! was it also security issue being stupidity for sure?
10:31<santosh>and how to continue from here? do i need to compile kernel for the box to be as fast&secure as possible?
10:32<santosh>gf arrived, occasional breaks...
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10:35<disposable>i have two network cards. however, after each reboot, they kernel swaps their ethX number thus making it impossible to set things up properly. how do i make them keep their ethX number for good?
10:36<witte>disposable: have a look at udev
10:36<petemc>disposable: poweredge?
10:36<dpkg>i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
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10:37<disposable>petemc: no, intel motherboard integrated nic + pci nic
10:37<disposable>witte: can you be less specific please?
10:37<petemc>oh, some dells have that issue and its not udev related, theres an updated bios to fix
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10:38<petemc>disposable: what unclear about that factoid?
10:38<witte>disposable: read what dpkg told about the z25 thing
10:38<witte>the file mentioned is not that difficult to interpret
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10:39<disposable>witte: sorry, i didn't notice that dpkg stuff. didn't think it was for me
10:39<Pakalolo>is there a wireless manager to gnome?
10:39<Pakalolo>graphical wireless manager?
10:39<disposable>Pakalolo: network-manager-gnome (nm-applet)
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10:40<santosh>gsimmons, back. how shall i continue?
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10:40<disposable>witte: thank you, i'm going to try it.
10:41<santosh>and another basic question: where to read more about differences between gnome, kde and other window managers?
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10:42<JasonS>santosh: thier respective websites would be a good start
10:42<santosh>hmm. well i try that. thanks JasonS
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10:47<Pakalolo>is there a good site explaining how to install nvidia drivers on debian? is there a magical package?
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10:49<SpeedyG>!tell Pakalolo about nvidia one-liner
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10:52<user01>is it possible that my ssh2 file transfer is too fast? when i have a large file transfer to my laptop (300MB) it cuts out on me like 13 times
10:52<user01>thats going from the server to my router to my laptop
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10:57<santosh>hmm, the search for "best" VM could be long...
10:57<user01>"connection time out" errors
10:57<santosh>i prolly start with something selse
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10:58<cahoot>santosh: it's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
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10:59<JasonS>santosh: best is very very subjective
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10:59<user01>Error: Incorrect MAC received on packet
11:00<santosh>JasonS, yes it is. so i start with something more easy
11:00<user01>So mostly it is "connection timed out" or "incorrect MAC received on packet" occasionally
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11:02<tko>Hello all
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11:05<Batchz0r>Hey, I have a headphone/Sound problem
11:05<santosh>i try kernel compile. gui interface, ncurses version is too old for me.
11:05<Batchz0r>It's a common problem, i know.. But none of the fixes seem to help
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11:07<[gloom]>hey guys, I'm going to install compiz in debian sid, with a nvidia card. Shoud I install the compiz on the sid repo, or should I change the repos to the compiz fusion ones and install from there?
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11:12<avtobiff>[gloom], compiz and compiz-fusion is in debian sid
11:12<avtobiff>[gloom], imho install from the sid repos
11:12<[gloom]>ok, so the cuestion is: should I install compiz or compiz fusion?:D
11:13<[gloom]>any difference?
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11:18<korny|UTF-8>where can i find the current security status of debian (stable and testing)?
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11:20<JasonS>pertaining to what korny|UTF-8 ?
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11:20<fxiny>subscribing to won't do any harm
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11:20<Batchz0r>Would anyone like to help me with my sound problem?
11:20<flawd>Does 32bit Debian support 4gb of ram? If so do I have to install a specific kernel for my core2duo cpu to use the whole 4gb?
11:21<korny|UTF-8>fxiny, i know ;)
11:21<flawd>I only see 2gb
11:21<flawd>(unfortnately I am not at that computer atm but I know this is the case)
11:21<korny|UTF-8>JasnS, there was a url with a list of current issues and if these issues are local, remote, critical and stuff like that.
11:22<fxiny>korny|UTF-8: today is a busy day : iceweasel plus more , very handu list :)
11:23<bighornram>anyone know of a howto to setup a proxy on my network similar to anonymous proxy servers?
11:23<fxiny>bighornram: tor ?
11:23<Batchz0r>My internal speakers work, But my headphones don't. P.S: they ARE plugged into the right jack :P
11:23<fxiny>on etch is pretty easy as usual
11:24<bighornram>I want to setup my cell's wap to use my network as a proxy connection
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11:25<korny|UTF-8>arghhh anyone knows the url i'm looking for?
11:25<Batchz0r>Nope sorry
11:25<Batchz0r>Google is a good friend though
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11:25<Batchz0r>To bad he doesn't want to help me today :(
11:25<JasonS>korny|UTF-8: main debian url and look for security?
11:26<korny|UTF-8>i don't know how to express myself ;)
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11:26<Batchz0r>Does anyone at all know a fix for sound problems
11:26<Batchz0r>Specifically headphone/sound problems
11:27<Batchz0r>Im a newfag to linux :)
11:27<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/modules - snd-hda-intel?
11:28<korny|UTF-8>Batchz0r my speakers have a defective contact , so i have to kick them every time before i can hear the sound ^^
11:28<Batchz0r>cahoot: 0
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11:28<Batchz0r>cat /proc/asound/modules, Result: 0 snd_hda_intel
11:29<cahoot>Batchz0r: figures
11:29<korny|UTF-8>JasonS, there was a table on the page and every vulnerability was stated by it's crtitical-level
11:29<Batchz0r>cahoot: ?
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11:29<Batchz0r>/name Batch
11:29<cahoot>Batchz0r: my guess is you need an updated alsaversion - module-assistant cant help
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11:29<[gloom]>Batchz0r: run alsamizer, unmute all the channels, go to the mixer of you desktop (kmix under KDE) Your volume level of your headphones should be the "Front" channel
11:30<[gloom]>sorry, alsamizer=alsamixer
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11:30<[gloom]>guys compiz or compiz-fusion? SOmeone?
11:31<Batch>[gloom]: there are not "front" channels
11:31<[gloom]>mmmm, in alsamixer, unmute all the channels using the cursors to change chanel, and "m" to unmute them
11:31<[gloom]>and raise the volume of all of them
11:31<Batch>One sec.
11:32<Batch>They are unmuted
11:32<Batch>Master has the little green "OO"
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11:32<[gloom]>everything has to have the OO sign
11:32<Batch>And the volume is on 80
11:33<[gloom]>all the channels
11:33<Batch>PCM Doesnt have OO
11:33<Batch>Even if i press 'm'
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11:33<[gloom]>ok, no problem with the PCM. Mine is the same
11:34<[gloom]>every other channel, has to have the OO sign
11:34<[gloom]>and the volume raised up
11:34<Batch>Yes, only 2 channels
11:34<Batch>Master And PCM
11:34<[gloom]>only 2?
11:34<[gloom]>is it a laptop?
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11:34<Batch>HP Compaq Presario F500
11:36<Batch>Chip: Generic 14f1 ID 5045 <-------- Sound
11:36<flawd>Does 32bit Debian support 4gb of ram? If so do I have to install a specific kernel for my core2duo cpu to use the whole 4gb?
11:36<cahoot>Batch: lspci -n | grep `lspci | grep -i audio | awk '{print $1}'`
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11:36<cahoot>flawd: at least a 686 kernel
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11:37<Batch>cahoot: I get this: '>'
11:37<Batch>Input thingy i guess :/
11:38<cahoot>missed the last `
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11:38<Batch>I get a input thing.. '>'
11:39<fxiny>of course
11:39<Batch>No i got the `
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11:39<Batch>00:10.1 0403: 10de:026c (rev a2)
11:39<Batch>I did miss the last `
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11:42<cahoot>Batch: the odds look grim atm - google alsa + 10de:026c
11:42<korny|UTF-8>I'm looking for the www bug current report for debian stable
11:42<Batch>Isnt it compatble?
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11:45<JasonS>korny|UTF-8: are you thinking of the bts?
11:46<noflash>korny|UTF-8, ?
11:46<JasonS>aptitude: bts
11:46<aptitude>extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and lenny are required to check the BTS, useful for sid and lenny: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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11:48<Batch>Lol nothing ever 'Just works' for me
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11:48<fxiny>be prepared for the "An error occurred. Dammit" warning :P
11:49<korny|UTF-8>no, the website (at included a table ant sortet all the bugs by remote or local and critical or not critical
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11:49<fxiny>it seems dpk rulez over there :))
11:49<fxiny> ... dpkg*
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11:57<Batchz0r>Nope, Sound still fails
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12:25<BBoyDanny>hello every1 =)
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12:26<Batchz0r>Welcome Back [gloom]
12:27<[gloom]>yes man,
12:27<[gloom]>i have to reboot X every 5 minutes:(
12:27<Batchz0r>Lol why?
12:27<[gloom]>I'm trying to isntall compiz on sid. Iedited the xorg.conf as seen on 1000 guides, but still havent window decorations. Istart compiz with compiz ?replace gconf & kde-window-decorator &. HEre i have nvidia 8600, and KDE. Any workaourd?
12:27<Batchz0r>Im a Linux Newfag, sorry
12:27<[gloom]>this fucking compiz is driving me mad:D
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12:28<[gloom]>is there any way to start compiz from kde that i'm missing?
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12:34<Batch>i ran alsaconf
12:34<Batch>Still, My headphones dont work
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12:36<[gloom]>Batch: I was fighting with this yesterday, but in alsamixer I have a lot of channels, so I founf that the Front one is for the headphones. Anyway, the alsa version on debian kernels is still buggy with the new intel chipsets. Everybody told me to try the next version, compile it and change the kernel module, but I didn't. I will wait until it's on the next kernel.
12:36<Batch>I see
12:37<Batch>I dont have a front channel
12:37<[gloom]>So if oyu want ot give it a try, download the las source, and try to compile it, but if you're new in linux, maybe you don't want to mess up with kernel modules
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12:38<Batch>yeah i dont
12:39<[gloom]>is there any irc channel specifically about compiz, compiz-fusion and this stuff?
12:39<Batch>Sorry, I dont know
12:41<Batch>Which is the lastest version of alsa
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12:41<warpedby0>does anyone know why there are no testing images?
12:42<Eulex>why are you installing testing directly?
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12:42<Eulex>or wanting to, rather
12:42<Eulex>install stable and dist-upgrade
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12:43<[gloom]>Batch: I think is 1.0.15
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12:44<[gloom]>and debian kernel still has 1.0.14
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12:44<Batch>Im trying 1.0.9.rc4a
12:44<Batch>Or shouldn't i?
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12:45<[gloom]>i would not try any older version
12:45<[gloom]>ifyou want to try, try the last onw
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12:56<lmh1>where can i find apache web .html/.php file directory?
12:58<lmh1>how can i delete all in this map with terminal?
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12:59<Batch>rm -rf /var/www/*
12:59<Batch>BE VERY CAREFULL With that
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13:02<leaveone>can anyone help me find the testing netinstall image.. i cant find it anywhere on the site
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13:03<lmh1>how can i copy /home/user/htdocs to /var/www
13:04<lmh1>all files and directory.
13:04<leaveone>sudo cp -R /home/user/htdocs /var/www should work
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13:06<leaveone>abrotman, im there.. but there's no images to download that i can see
13:06<abrotman>netinst (generally 135-175 MB) and businesscard (generally 20-50 MB) CD images
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13:07<lmh1>i get no access to the file i copy.
13:07<leaveone>abrotman, how the hell did you find it? ive been looking for it for 20 mins
13:07<abrotman>leaveone: i can read? :)
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13:07<leaveone>ha.. well that hurt
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13:10<alunon>e yago
13:10<Batch>[gloom]: I fucked the sound completely now
13:11<alunon>e meu amigo
13:11<[gloom]>hehe, what happened?
13:11<Batch>I tried using 1.15
13:11<Batch>or w/e
13:11<Batch>Stuffed it up at the modprobe
13:11<alunon>e ae
13:12<alunon>tem irma
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13:14<alunon>meu amigo yago quewnampora
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13:14<[gloom]>make a backup of your directory /lib/modules/yourkernelversion
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13:14<[gloom]>change the compiled modules for the new ones
13:14<Batch>Errors were encountered while processing:
13:14<Batch> cron
13:14<Batch> logrotate
13:14<Batch> nvidia-kernel-common
13:14<[gloom]>make depmod -a
13:15<alunon>tabo m
13:15<[gloom]>and then try to insert the module, or just reboot, and it will try to insert it automatically
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13:16<alunon>tem jogo de pristom
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13:18<alunon>vose emenina
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13:19<alunon>meu amigo vaiconnversa com voçe
13:20<alunon>io gata
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13:20<alunon>como vc esta
13:21<alunon>voçe e gordA
13:23<alunon>VC E BONIDA
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13:24<alunon>MEU AMO
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13:25<alunon>AMO VC MORA
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13:25<[gloom]>alunon: #debian-br
13:25<alunon>VOÇE MORA AOMDE
13:26<alunon>QUA U E OSEU NOME
13:27<[gloom]>alunon: join #debian-br channel for brazillian language. Here people only speak english
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13:29<alunon>AMO VC E FINA
13:30<alunon>ME DESCUPE
13:30<[gloom]>ok, do what the fuck you want then.
13:31<fxiny>nahhh just go way
13:31<fxiny>get lost
13:31<[gloom]>someone tel this guy that noone understand what he's saying!
13:31<fxiny>who cares ? is a troll
13:32<fxiny>a trollero :P
13:32<fxiny>muy trolligado
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13:32<kmap>How can we request an operator to kick the troll? (IRC n00b)
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13:33<fxiny>!op alumom requesting a batida
13:33<alunon>EU NAO POSOI
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13:34<alunon>EU NOA POSOI
13:35<fxiny>!ops alumon disturning
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13:35<noflash>alunon, go to #debian-br or speak english
13:35<[gloom]>hahha, it's alunon man:D
13:35<[gloom]>let the third try:D
13:35<kmap>And where's dpkg?
13:35<noflash>kmap, on vacation
13:35[~]kmap is totally lost!
13:35<tilda140>who wants to help me redo my kernel
13:35<kmap>noflash: I can see that!
13:36<noflash> /ignore -replies alunon
13:36<fxiny>bloody hell
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13:36<fxiny>JasonS: how you did you all ops before ?
13:36<[gloom]>tilda140: what do you need?
13:36<witte>fxiny: you can do that with !ops, but dpkg is not awake i believe
13:37<[gloom]>yes I tried this too (!br)
13:37<kmap>witte: How about asking Ganneff?
13:37<fxiny>witte: ok :)
13:37<tilda140>Well, presently I'm running Debian on a machine with a P3 and about a half gig of RAM.
13:37<tilda140>Far as I know, when you install Debian it's set up much like a serve.
13:37<kmap>Ah, so Ganneff has already kicked him. Sorry.
13:37<tilda140>I want it to run like a desktop.
13:38<tilda140>I actually have another machine that I'm running and it's a Celeron with 1.4GHz, and half a gig of RAM. I'd like to do a similiar recompile on that one, too.
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13:38<[gloom]>tilda140: as fas as i know, the debian pre-compiled kernel image, has almost everything as a module, so it will only load the necessary modules for yout rig
13:38<tilda140>I mean it runs good but it still seems a bit laggy.
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13:38<witte>kmap: Ganneff is one of the ops, but the ops are not constantly monitoring this channel, when dpkgg is awake, !ops ... is the best sollution i think
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13:39<tilda140>Hmm, could the default installation be geared as a server? Even though I chose desktop?
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13:39<[gloom]>anyway, to recompile the kernel, just download the package linux-source2.6.22, go to /dev/usr, untar it, enter the directory, run make menuconfig, and select the options that fit better with your config
13:40<[gloom]>you will need libncurses packages to make it
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13:40<[gloom]>sorry, no dev/usr:D /usr/src i wanted to mean
13:40<peterrooney>tilda140: the timeslice might be a factor. when doing as [gloom] suggests, look for the "HZ" entry, and choose 1000 instead of 250
13:41<tilda140>Thanks Peter, that was actually what I was looking for.
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13:41<tilda140>but also, I have never recompiled a kernel.
13:41<tilda140>So menuconfig should be good for me to use.
13:41<peterrooney>tilda140: i'm sorry that i can't recall where it is in the "make menuconfig" setup.
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13:41<[gloom]>there are a bunch of options there. If you are in doubt, just ask here
13:42<witte>tilda140: use make-kpkg to build the kernel:*make-kpkg*&term=key
13:43<peterrooney>yes. you'll need the ncurses development libraries. apt-get build-dep linux-image-(your-desired--version) should start you down the right path.
13:43<kmap>witte: Accepted. Thanks.
13:43<witte>tilda140: this one is probably even more usefull:
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13:48<tilda140>FYI, I am running Windows 2000 on this Debian box. I use vmware-server-console on another machine to this box, so I can use Windows 2000 to help my customers.
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13:50<tilda140>have a great opportunity to experiment and learn with Linux.
13:51<jagerman>Isn't that about like pouring really cheap syrup on really good homemade pancakes? :)
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13:51<jagerman>Okay, maybe not.
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13:54<tilda140>hmm.. I don't think this Deb box would run XP.
13:54<tilda140>so I mean, I do technical support for an ISP and we also do VOIP support.
13:55<tilda140>It's great to be able to run my Debian and have that power and functionality, then I could run vmware-server-console and have Windows 2000 right in front of me.
13:55<tilda140>I'm thinking once I recompile these 2 kernels, I can get it to run beter.
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14:01<ody>anyone knows if ntfs3g is available in testing or is it unstable?
14:01<warpedby0>it's in testing
14:01<[gloom]>ody: yes it is
14:02<[gloom]>in testing at least
14:02<ody>great thanks
14:02<warpedby0>it's also in stable, i believe
14:02<ody>cant find it in etch
14:02<fxiny>ody: get it from bpo
14:03<ody>I was going to upgrade to lenny anyway
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14:03<witte>aptitude: ntfs-3g
14:03<aptitude>rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
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14:04<fxiny>ahhh sister apti is on charge ?
14:04<fxiny>witte: :))
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14:04<witte>fxiny: yeah, but the exclamation mark does not work, still, it is useable ;-)
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14:25<blal>Ok, people. Walk me through this. I'm trying to set up an Atheros (MadWIFI) wireless network card as an access point with my wifi-capable cell phone. I'm failing.
14:25<blal>I can't get my dhcp server to respond, that I can tell, to my cell phone.
14:26<blal>What, you're all out Xmas shopping?
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14:28<blal>Ok, people. Walk me through this. I'm trying to set up an Atheros (MadWIFI) wireless network card as an access point with my wifi-capable cell phone. I'm failing. The dhpc server won't respond in any way I can recognize to the cell phone's requests for an address.
14:28<warpedby0>blal: you failed!
14:29<blal>Is that my consolation prize?
14:29<witte>aptitude: madwifi
14:29<aptitude>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. #madwifi @
14:29<witte>blal: ^^
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14:38<Kebianizao>does parted support reiser resize?
14:39<Kebianizao>I've read you need libreiser, but the only package related to reiser(3) is already installed: reiserfsprogs
14:39<Kebianizao>thank blal :) I'll wait in case someone could help me
14:40<blal> :P
14:40<Aurelgadjo>First, excuse me for my english ; second, does you know a problem with the debian etch mirrors ?
14:41<Aurelgadjo>For example, i can't install a netinstall debian etch
14:41<Aurelgadjo>Because the installer can't found the file "Release"
14:41<Aurelgadjo>For all mirrors :(
14:41<blal>Per, the only packages in stable that contain a file containing "libreiser" are in libreiser4-dev, which is probably not what you watn.
14:41<blal>er, want.
14:42<blal>Kebianizao : Not sure if will help you in your search.
14:43<Kebianizao>Blal, I also got that, that's why I specified reiserfs(3), BTW I do appreciate your interest
14:44<Kebianizao>I've move to #parted at freenode, that seems quit close to debian :)
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14:46<mu-tiger>hi. i am running an old version of slack and would like to install debian from my current hdd to a new hdd; however, my cdrom is broken and i was going to use netinstall. Is there any reason i can't install that using loop?
14:47<Kebianizao>mu-tiger: why not using netinstall?
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14:47<infinitycircuit>mu-tiger, installation using loop will be inordinately complicated because it will require manually chrooting into the new system and building it form scratch
14:47<infinitycircuit>mu-tiger, it is easier to download the iso and add it to your grub menu
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14:48<Aurelgadjo>infinitycircuit, my netinstall is blocked
14:48<Aurelgadjo>Because it can't find the file 'Release' on the mirror
14:48<Aurelgadjo>And this for all mirrors
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14:48<Aurelgadjo>(deb 4r1)
14:48<blal>Kebianizao : Wait, seriously, what are you trying to do? Write software that calls a library to manipulate reiserfs partitions, correct?
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14:49<muep_>mu-tiger: do you have a floppy drive?
14:49<Berte>Hi, Does somone have troobles with speed on windows vista and debian 3.0.24?
14:49<mu-tiger>yeah but it was acting up too
14:49<mu-tiger>old box
14:49<mu-tiger>stuff is dying
14:49<mu-tiger>i might can use it
14:49<muep_>mu-tiger: debian netinstall from the floppies isn't very hard, if you just happen to get it working
14:49<mu-tiger>right now i use lilo, though
14:50<infinitycircuit>Aurelgadjo, that is strange. are you sure that your network is configured correctly
14:50<Kebianizao>blal: no, just trying to resize a partition
14:50<Kebianizao>blal: if you are interested maybe you could join to #parted @freenode
14:50<Aurelgadjo>Mmh... It's on a vmware machine
14:50<Aurelgadjo>Maybe that the problem is here
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14:52<blal>Kebianizao : That's ok. I'll stay here. Glad another channel is working out.
14:53<Berte>Why its so slow windows vista + Samba 3.0.24 ( I know they were troobles with NLVM securities issue, but its suppose to be resolve
14:53<Kebianizao>blal: :) help is on the way
14:54<Aurelgadjo>mmh, Kebianizao, the dns provided by my dhcp network are wrong... (on the host machine i have modified this)
14:55<Kebianizao>Aurelgadjo: how have you set that? did you check the installation manual?
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14:55<Aurelgadjo>Its my "box" who do that
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14:56<Aurelgadjo>And i *think* that the dns are wrong, im not sure
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14:57<Aurelgadjo>(in a vm under windows, i can ping an ip. but i cant ping, host not found)
14:57<tilda140>so, I should back up my config file in /boot, then use that file to recompile my kernel with make-kpkg?
14:57<Kebianizao>Aurelgadjo: network for vm could be tricky
14:58<Kebianizao>Kebianizao: checkout your config and make sure it's ok
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14:59<Aurelgadjo_>changing dns :p
15:00<mu-tiger>infinitycircuit: i use lilo currently, is that wht you meant?
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15:08<Aurelgadjo_>infinitycircuit & Kebianizao, thanks, it works now
15:09<Kebianizao>Aurelgadjo_: happy to now
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15:20<tilda140>OK, installing all the kernel packages and stuff now
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15:45<Kebianizao>bye and thanks
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16:09<ubuntpad>has anyone successfully hacked an initramfs-tools script? i'm having trouble with the correct conf.d setup...
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16:10<Aztec007>hello everyone
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16:14<Supaplex>wow. it's saturday.... and dead around here. :P
16:14[~]Supaplex pinches himself
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16:17<korax>moin moin
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16:17<nacs>tach ;-)
16:17<korax>hi nacs
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16:25<TheMoose>can somebody tell me the differences between debian and ubuntu
16:25<TheMoose>i know ubuntu is based on debian
16:25<daypitoum>ubuntu is debian-based
16:25<daypitoum>so what do you wanna know ?
16:26<TheMoose>are there many differences?
16:26<daypitoum>well depends
16:26<daypitoum>ubuntu is much user-friendly
16:26<TheMoose>this is for a personal use desktop
16:26<daypitoum>buts there is lots of propriztary software
16:26<daypitoum>and for beginners
16:26<TheMoose>ive got vista installed and have been dual-booting with ubuntu on a separate hard drive
16:27<daypitoum>but on the other hand, you got up-to-date software
16:27<daypitoum>how long have you been using linux ?
16:28<witte>TheMoose: ubuntu and debian are the same when considering how they work internally, the major differences are: what is installed by default, which packages are installed (ubuntu generally has newer versions of software, hence less tested), and lastly, as daypitoum told there is propietary software which isn't in debian
16:28<TheMoose>i started using unix with my comp sci class back in august and wanted to try linux on my desktop about two weeks ago
16:28<daypitoum>here is the most important point
16:28<daypitoum>oh, i see
16:28<TheMoose>i was able to get a second hard drive for my desktop and wanted to try it
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16:29<witte>TheMoose: just do it ;-)
16:29<witte>TheMoose: try both
16:29<daypitoum>well when i moved to debian it was principaly 'cause i wanted to leanr more about linux and to use really-free software
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16:29<daypitoum>one of the "matters" with debian is the developpment system
16:29<TheMoose>i actually just installed debian using the amd64 install cd1
16:30<witte>daypitoum: i think debian is the most userfriendly os, but my defenition of userfriendly may not be worldwide acknowledged :-)
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16:30<daypitoum>witte = sure
16:30<daypitoum>but admit that ubuntu is easier
16:31<witte>daypitoum: ubuntu is easier to start with, the default install looks more familiar for windows users
16:31<TheMoose>i first tried ubuntu because i found out dell was starting to offer it, went to their website and just decided to try it
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16:31<TheMoose>it was definitely a shock to see a text input when i first booted debian
16:32<TheMoose>whereas ubuntu booted to a screen looking remarkably like windows
16:32<daypitoum>what you can do is try debian on a virtual machine, by using Qemu for example
16:32<daypitoum>so as you can see if you like
16:32<witte>TheMoose: yeah, that can happen, there is a "desktop" option during install, but if you don't hit it , you don't have a gui :-)
16:33<TheMoose>i guess i missed that part
16:33<daypitoum>hmm, the debian installer has a graphical tool since etch
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16:33<TheMoose>it also wouldnt detect my onboard LAN
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16:33<daypitoum>but is it really useful ? text install is much more easy and quick
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16:34<witte>TheMoose: onboard lan not recognised? is it a very new pc?
16:34<TheMoose>the lan is intel 825662DC
16:34<TheMoose>bought it in august
16:34<TheMoose>intel quad core
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16:34<witte>TheMoose: maybe trying a newer kernel would help
16:34<TheMoose>its an HP custom mobo made by asus
16:35<daypitoum>could u paste us a lspci ?
16:35<TheMoose>if you tell me how to do it i can
16:35<daypitoum>by typing lspci in a shell ^^
16:35<TheMoose>im booted into windows right now
16:36<daypitoum>they should be similars tools in windows
16:36<daypitoum>haven't been using it since 98
16:36<Supaplex>msinfo32 comes close
16:36<TheMoose>i was lost when i saw the text console booted, so i decided to get help online
16:36<TheMoose>what does lspci give
16:36<Supaplex>TheMoose: depends on the hardware
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16:38<TheMoose>what do you need to know about my system
16:38<ubuntpad>is anyone familiar with the initramfs-tools?
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16:38<daypitoum>not me :(
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16:39<daypitoum>TheMoose: what is the matter with your text input ?
16:39<Supaplex>TheMoose: what hardware do you have trouble with?
16:39<TheMoose>the installer wouldnt detect the onboard LAN
16:39<Dude>good night says the dude
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16:40<daypitoum>did u try ?
16:40<TheMoose>i tried manually setting the LAN driver, but there wasn't one for my model
16:41<witte>TheMoose: try the installer with the 2.6.23 kernel
16:41<daypitoum>have you got a log file about this ?
16:42<TheMoose>not that i can access right now, nor would i know where to find it
16:42<daypitoum>in /var/log/****
16:44<Supaplex> should download the daily lenny netinst
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16:44<TheMoose>im thinking i should stick with ubuntu, as everything works fine on that
16:45<daypitoum>as you want
16:45<Supaplex>that's fine
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16:45<daypitoum>if you dont care of free software
16:46<TheMoose>by free do you mean open source or no money required
16:47<daypitoum>open source, otherway we say freeware
16:47<TheMoose>that makes sense
16:47<Supaplex>aptitude: foss
16:47<aptitude>i guess foss is Free and Open Source Software - See
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16:47<daypitoum>wrong binding, sry
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16:50<TheMoose>thanks for your help, i might be back if i decide to try this again later
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16:50<TheMoose>couple months later that is
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16:54<daypitoum>--say something-- ^^
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16:55<Nadare>Quick question since the wiki is unclear on this point. To stop a service from starting I can simply remove the file from /etc/rc0.d/ for example?
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16:55<Supaplex>Nadare: update-rc.d
16:55<daypitoum>or rcconf !
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16:55<daypitoum>much more admin-friendly
16:56<daypitoum>aptitude install rcconf
16:56<aptitude>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, daypitoum
16:56<Nadare>hmm update-rc.d apache2 remove :D
16:56<daypitoum>a ncurses front-end for update-rc
16:56<Supaplex>yet more clutter ;)
16:57<daypitoum>u just press space to remove stupid services
16:57<Supaplex>what if it's a clever service?
16:57<daypitoum>(this was not serious)
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16:57<Nadare>uh.. my ssh window is called " or â€" heh.. I think my putty is acting up
16:59<daypitoum>Supalex: i always tought that update-rc was boring
16:59<Supaplex>it's part of the base install *shrug*
16:59<daypitoum>hard to use
16:59<daypitoum>one other stoopid debian utility ^^
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17:00<Supaplex>as in the 'service' script in redhat
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17:00<daypitoum>nerver used redhat, sorry
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17:02<daypitoum>ok gtg, have a nice day (or night)
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17:26<andrem>hi, how I open ITP?
17:26<witte>andrem: what is ITP?
17:27<andrem>I don't know....
17:27<witte>andrem: is it some kind of file or what?
17:27<witte>or a program?
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17:28<chealer>aptitude: itp
17:28<aptitude>itp is probably Intent To Package
17:28<andrem>I want make package ...
17:29<andrem>and the author of source
17:29<chealer>andrem: do you use Debian?
17:29<chealer>andrem: did you already report a bug?
17:29<piper>license issues with metasploit-framework last i heard
17:30<andrem>no ... i never report a bug!
17:30<Ron242>hello, is there a problem with updating? i get this error: connect (111 Connection refused)
17:30<Eulex>Ron242, try another mirror?
17:31<Ron242>sure or maybe later
17:31<chealer>andrem: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:32<Ron242>so this is probably temporarily?
17:32<Eulex>Ron242, perhaps. what mirror are you using?
17:32<andrem>I use Debian etch
17:33<Eulex>Ron242, try another one, perhaps
17:34<Ron242>thanks i will try tomorrow
17:35<Eulex>Ron242, also, make sure that internet access is working correctly from that box
17:35<davidL>is nvidia-glx broken with xorg-7.3?
17:35<Eulex>anyway, good night
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17:36<infinitycircuit>davidL, no it is not
17:36<davidL>well dpkg wants to remove xorg to install nvidia-glx and vice versa
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17:37<andrem>I must advise that I am working on a package....
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17:37<infinitycircuit>actually i do know that ubuntu has deprecated nvidia-glx in favor of nvidia-glx-new, that might be the issue
17:37<infinitycircuit>in debian
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17:37<andrem>how I do?
17:37<andrem>I need use reportbug?
17:38<davidL>all I see in the repos is nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy
17:39<piper>Linux i686 X.Org 1.4.0 GLX Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.04
17:40<chealer>andrem: no, but it's probably the easiest way.
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17:41<andrem>I need use this ?
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17:42<davidL>not sure what's wrong
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17:42<chealer>davidL: nvidia-glx needs to be updated to a compatible version (like the one in unstable) to work with 7.3, if that's what you mean, yes.
17:43<davidL>chealer: I'm using unstable
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17:43<blarson>andrem: reportbug is the recomended way of reporting a bug. can be used to search the bug database.
17:43<piper>davidL: i use unstable, no problems
17:43<davidL>do I maybe need to have non-free repos?
17:44<piper>davidL: i would suggest something, but, not on this channel
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17:44<blarson>!tell develL about nvidia
17:44<Franck>hello :)
17:45<andrem>I want insert a new package....
17:45<davidL>!tell davidL about nvidia
17:45<andrem>How I do?
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17:45<blarson>davidL: if you want info from the bot yourself, just /msg dpkg
17:46<witte>blarson: dpkg is not awake i believe
17:46<witte>aptitude nvidia
17:46<aptitude>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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17:46<davidL>aptitude nvidia one-liner
17:46<aptitude>i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
17:47<Franck>i have problem between dkim-filter and postfix... i just want to sign my messages, but i get an error :
17:47<Franck>Dec 8 23:46:44 arcturus postfix/cleanup[3634]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: No such file or directory
17:47<Franck>my postfix is not chroot
17:47<Franck>the postfix user is in dkim-filter group
17:48<Franck>ls -s /var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock :
17:48<Franck>srwxrwxr-x 1 dkim-filter dkim-filter 0 2007-12-08 23:47 dkim-filter.sock
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17:49<Franck>does anyone would have an idea what i could have not done /done wrong ... ?
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17:53<chealer>andrem: you need to use the BTS, if that's what you meant, yes
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17:53<asteroid>hello morgan`
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18:01<berat>i have a problem
18:01<berat>my system recognize my sound card
18:01<berat>but there is not sound
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18:01<berat>i can adjust my soundfrom alsa mixer
18:02<asteroid>is it muted?
18:02<cahoot>run speaker-test in a terminal
18:02<berat>my sound card is HDA intel
18:02<berat>no muted
18:02<berat>how can i do this
18:02<cahoot>type speaker-test in a terminal
18:02<berat>ok i do it
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18:04<berat>Using max buffer size 16384
18:04<berat>Periods = 4
18:04<berat>was set period_size = 1024
18:04<berat>was set buffer_size = 16384
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.664486
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986825
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986788
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986806
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986823
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986791
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986844
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986759
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
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18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986865
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986803
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>Time per period = 2.986729
18:04<berat> 0 - Front Left
18:04<berat>resutlt is that
18:05<berat>what must i do ?
18:05<berat>i made alsaconf it says your sound card establish succesfully
18:05<berat>but there is no sound
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18:05<cahoot>no sound and no error ?
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18:05<cahoot>try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 then speaker-test again
18:05<cahoot>but don't paste here
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18:07<berat>i reset
18:07<berat>now what must i do
18:07<cahoot>run speaker-test in a terminal
18:07<berat>must i configure alsa with alsaconf
18:07<berat>ha ok
18:07<cahoot>no no alsaconf
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18:08<berat>same result
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18:08<berat>with same past i paste it before
18:08<cahoot>ok - my interpretation is you need an updated version alsa, module-assistant can help you with that
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18:09<berat>ok i install module-asistannt
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18:10<berat>ntcan it be because of my soundcard
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18:10<berat>hda intel
18:10<berat>actually there is two optşon
18:11<berat>one is head intel
18:11<berat>other is realtek
18:11<piper>lsmod|grep snd_hda_intel
18:11<cahoot>lspci -n | grep `lspci | grep -i audio | awk '{print $1}'`
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18:12<berat>snd_hda_intel 239160 3
18:12<berat>snd_pcm 72324 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
18:12<berat>snd 48324 15 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
18:12<berat>snd_page_alloc 10056 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
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18:12<berat>00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
18:12<blal>Can I serve videos to an Xbox 360 from Linux (Debian or otherwise)?
18:13<blal>Mmm, delicious PCI device ID's...
18:14<cahoot>berat: I suspect you need alsa version 1.0.15 for that
18:14<witte>does anyone know how to revive dpkg? He is gone now for quite a while...
18:15<cahoot>berat: probably need to get that from
18:15<berat>what is repo adress for alsa 1.0.15
18:15<piper>berat: you have sound server enabled ? if so disable
18:15<cahoot>that's not the issue
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18:16<piper>sure is in sid
18:16<berat>it didnt open
18:16<piper>lots of problems with intel
18:16<piper>dpkg -l | grep libpulse
18:16<berat>yah i have another problem with my wireless
18:17<berat>i have intel 4965
18:17<berat>i wrote this commmand
18:17<piper>no output ?
18:18<berat>no output
18:18<berat>hmm ?
18:19<berat>adress you gave didnt open
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18:20<berat>i try to install libpulse
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18:21<berat>system said to me libpulse-dev libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulse-browse0
18:21<berat> you can install that packages
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18:22<piper>berat: no, don't install
18:22<piper>if you had i would have said to remove
18:23<berat>ok i remıove
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18:23<piper>berat: does asoundconf list show anything
18:23<berat>while confuguring this package i tak a warning ldconfig: /lib/ is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
18:24<piper>changing line 206 of asoundconf to this:
18:24<piper>cardline = re.compile('^\s*\d+\s*\[')
18:24<piper>and line 211 to this:
18:24<piper>Note the extra \s* at the beginning of the regexes.
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18:24<berat>Names of available sound cards:
18:24<piper>empty hmm
18:25<berat>which file piper
18:25<berat>nothing there
18:26<berat>what is the path of asoundconf piper
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18:28<berat>piper ?
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18:33<berat>no suggestion ?
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18:36<piper>berat: sorry, company and had to answer door
18:36<piper>berat: try sudo asoundconf set-default-card Live
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18:37<berat>i did it
18:37<berat>and no output
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18:38<berat>what odd
18:39<piper>no output
18:40<berat>yah no output
18:40<berat>is it necessary any output
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18:44<piper>i am stumped, i know alot of people, lots of distro's not just debian have problems with snd_hda_intel
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18:46<berat>i mean no solution
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18:50<piper>berat: at this point, the only thing i can suggest is playing with all the alsamixer settings..or kmix, make sure nothing is muted
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18:50<piper>ah gnome forget kmix
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18:50<MikkLinux>hmmm I use fluxbox
18:50<berat>every setting is not muted
18:51<berat>there is two setting
18:51<berat>master and pci
18:51<berat>bot is in %100
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18:57<piper>berat: do you use alsa directly and not the aRts sound server ?
18:58<berat>on my computer
18:58<berat>there are alsa and oss
18:58<piper>ah again, this is stable debian gnome etc sorry, i am at a loss
18:59<piper>berat: sorry, i cant be of any more help :( i am stumped
18:59<berat>my debian is lenny
18:59<berat>oki doki
19:00<piper>berat: any other distro's you have tried or live cd's, does sound work
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19:01<berat>i aam in trouble with same problem with ubuntu gibsy gibbon
19:01<berat>same problem
19:01<berat>exactly same
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19:02<berat>can it be problem cause of alsa
19:03<berat>i adjust volume (vomlume up down)
19:03<berat>but there is no sound
19:03<piper>berat: yup, thought so, although i wouldn't let my worst enemy use any of the ub's
19:03<berat>zuhai dont like ubuntu
19:04<berat>but i have to use
19:04<piper>try sidux
19:04<berat>because in my old machine eternet device out of bussines
19:04<berat>what siduxz
19:04<berat>what sidux
19:05<piper>google it i don't want to really get into it here
19:05<piper>this is debian channel
19:06<piper>berat: i just respect the channel;)
19:06<berat>yah i see :p
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19:06<berat>i wish i find a solution for my sound card
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19:08<piper>i have a snd_hda_intel also, it works with sidux, might want to peek over there on the forums, it might help in lenny or etch, sidux is debian sid, all i am saying here about sidux
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19:10<berat>must i try :D
19:10<Xenguy>Hi - I would love to use ktorrent but really having a hard time finding reasonable documentation/information. Does anyone use ktorrent here, and if so, is there an IRC channel that I can /join for support, or documentation on blocklists for example?
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19:11<ody>scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:32:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory , when I make menuconfig :S
19:11<witte>Xenguy: ktorrent is a kde application, so #debian-kde would be a nice place to start
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19:12<Xenguy>witte: OK, a starting point would be good :-)
19:12<witte>Xenguy: and if there is nobody there, just go for #kde
19:13<Xenguy>thanks witte
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19:35<lindenle>Anyone having trouble with the new iceweasel?
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19:37<lindenle>nm seems ok now
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19:39<Franck>hello, i'm looking for a postfix-dkim-filter user... is there anybody who have this configuration and help me to understand why i have an error please ?
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19:40<leblanc>I would like to verify a bug before sumitting a ticket should I ask it here?
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19:41<witte>leblanc: you can ask here
19:42<leblanc>I've been working on getting debmirror working on my new computer and there seems to be a problem with the Packages files for Etch
19:43<leblanc>There seems to be some old packages left in the Packages file that are no longer on the mirrors
19:44<leblanc>for instance: I get this error from debmirror: pool/contrib/l/linux-modules-contrib-2.6/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18+1.2.1-4+etch1_i386.deb failed 404 Not Found
19:44<witte>leblanc: try to remove the bin files in /var/cache/apt and run apt-get update again
19:45<leblanc>The problem is that I download the Packages file directly from the mirror and it shows the new package (the one that is on the mirror) and the one listed above
19:45<leblanc>this happens for almost 100 files
19:45<leblanc>I haven't checked them all though
19:45<witte>leblanc: I do not really know debmirror, but maybe someone else can help
19:46<leblanc>I think there is old packages in the offical Packages files that need to be cleaned up.
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19:47<leblanc>I can get past the errors by adding --ignore-small-errors to debmirror
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19:52<leblanc>I guess I can just submit a bug report and if it's not a bug then they will just close it. I just hate to clog up the tracking system beacuse I know that the maintaners are busy.
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19:53<witte>leblanc: you can do that, or just wait untill some more knowledgable people enter this channel :-)
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19:57<norbert_>hi all, I currently have a lot of free time and I would like to do some coding, does anyone know a website that lists projects that need help?
19:57<witte>norbert_: are you a debian developper?
19:58<norbert_>witte: no, it's a general question
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20:00<witte>norbert_: or you can just start solving some bugs, there are plenty of them (depending on what you want to do: really dive into something or do some troubleshooting)
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20:05<lindenle>anyone got a hck for watching netflix on debian yet?
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20:06<Freak_>what does netflix use?
20:06<lindenle>I think
20:06<Freak_>ah, then they're working on it :-P
20:06<lindenle>I guess one would have to do windows wmulation which sucks
20:06<Freak_>Oh wait, is silverlight the microsoft thing, or the other one?
20:07<Freak_>Or is mono the microsoft thing
20:07<lindenle>good question
20:07<lindenle>I think the mon one is moonlight
20:08<lindenle>ok be back in a bit
20:09<Freak_>because they were working in a linux port for the microsoft one
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20:12<cccp>norbert_: you can write some code i need for my work :P
20:13<norbert_>cccp: are you working on a GPL'ed project or something? ;-)
20:13<Freak_>he said "work" :P
20:14<cccp>work doesnt neccessarily exclude gpl ;P
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20:15<cccp>but it wouldnt make a lot of sense to gpl this, i cant imagine anyone would find it useful ;)
20:15<Freak_>haha, what are you making then? Or are you not allowed to disclose that?
20:16<cccp>its some customer/contract database
20:16<cccp>very specialised
20:16<Freak_>ah, yeah, very little use in opening that up
20:17<cccp>and now i was spendin my saturday evening working on some report generation code ;/
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20:18<cccp>retard friendly gui etc ;/
20:19<cccp>norbert_: sounds support-worthy, eh? :P
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20:20<Freak_>retard friendly gui? That's quite a feat, haha
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20:21<cccp>Freak_: i just DO NOT WANT TO KNOW if i dont do that
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20:21<cccp>calling in durin my weekend cause somebody rm'd the entire employee database is no fun
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20:21<cccp>s/celling/being called/
20:22<Freak_>you can build a program which has just one button, and I'll find you someone that can destroy your computer with it
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20:22<Freak_>oops my arse, you're going to pay for this! =P
20:22<cccp>well, at least that
20:23<cccp>but i'd still prefer a workfree weekend
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20:23<Freak_>yeah, at the very least, haha
20:24<charisma_13>hi.. i have a Q regarding handling of signals using GCC
20:24<charisma_13>can someone tell me whether this is the right channel to ask for help?!
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20:25<cccp>just ask and you will see if somebody can help you ;)
20:25<charisma_13>thanks cccp!!!
20:25<charisma_13>my Q is this.....
20:25<charisma_13>I have a pointer assignment
20:25<charisma_13>foobar->fooptr = new_ptr
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20:26<charisma_13>this causes the OS to fire the SIGSEGV signal as foobar is protected using VM
20:26<lindenle>so did anyone pipe up about nflix?
20:26<charisma_13>now I have a handler which handles this SIGNAL
20:26<Freak_>nope, no-one said a word
20:26<charisma_13>I would like to no whether I can access the value of new_ptr inside the handler
20:27<charisma_13>i know i can get the address of foobar->fooptr from sigcontext
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20:27<cccp>that sounds like a os related question, not a gcc one
20:27<charisma_13>oh ok...!!!
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20:27<cccp>is there no way for you to find out if you can write to that memory beforehands?
20:28<charisma_13>infact tat memory is protected... and it has to be protected.. i am recording the pointers which cause the pagefault
20:28<charisma_13>i mean pagetrap
20:28<charisma_13>i want the trap to occur and somehow store the target pointer
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20:29<berat>are you there ?
20:29<berat>i upgrade my system from lenny to sid
20:30<berat>can i suppose it can be solution about my sound card problem
20:30<lindenle>anyone know if kpapers is ever going to get going?
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20:33<user01>has anyone tried xen?
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20:34<cccp>charisma_13: i suppose there is at least no clean way, but i am absolutely not sure
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20:34<cccp>charisma_13: depends on what you want to accomplish what would be an appropiate solution
20:35<piper>berat: sorry, busy on another channel, no, kernel, version of alsa, etc would help a bit, not just switching to sid
20:37<cccp>charisma_13: maybe via accessing the code at the instruction pointer, or via some kernel module...
20:37<cccp>(which would do that or similar stuff)
20:37<cccp>im too tired to think
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20:38<norbert_>btw, I found another link for myself to look at... (with many ideas on what to work on for various projects)
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20:39<charisma_13>oh ok.. thanks cccp
20:39<charisma_13>some kinda hack isnt it?!
20:39<cccp>charisma_13: that would indeed be very hackish, but maybe there is a better solution
20:39<cccp>good luck :)
20:39<cccp>charisma_13: but tell me, what is your goal? are you working with some closed source lib/app?
20:40<charisma_13>i am modifying a garbage collector for C++
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20:40<charisma_13>now i want to store the inter--generational pointers using the page trap
20:41<cccp>is this code for testing or for production then?
20:41<charisma_13>its for the class work :)
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20:41<charisma_13>it will be nice if i can store the value of the pointers whenever the page trap occurs
20:42<charisma_13>so that next time when i just need to look at those pointers for garbage collection
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20:43<pras>hey leute hat jemmand eine ahnung von python?
20:43<cccp>you want to write-protect any memory containing pointers to allocated memory?
20:43<cccp>and wait until they are overwritten, then free your stuff?
20:43<witte>aptitude: tell pras about de
20:44<pras>ist mir peinlich hier meine frage zu stellen aber ich bin noch ein blutiger anfänger..und ich komme mit dem apseicher von python programm nich klar
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20:44<pras>tut mir leid die frage klingt vielleicht einfach aber ehrlich gesagt komme ich nicht gang klar
20:44<charisma_13>yeah exactly
20:44<witte>pras ask your questions in english or on the german channel
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20:44<cccp>hrrrm... are you sure you can cover all cases with that?
20:45<pras>but my englisch is not so good
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20:45<pras>but i try:D
20:45<witte>pras: our german is not so good
20:45<charisma_13>yeah infact.. itz goin to b like the older generations are goin to be write protected
20:45<cccp>what if the pointer value is copied to a register or another memory location?
20:45<cccp>also, i would expect a big performance hit
20:45<charisma_13>that check is made differently by scanning through stack, registers, static areas
20:45<pras>its normally an easy question but ya i cant find the answer..iam a beginner in python
20:45<witte>there is a channel, where you can do everything in german if you want...
20:46<pras>how is going when i wrote a programm and i will next save it? what i do first?:S
20:46<charisma_13>now for handling intergenerational pointers, this is one of the ways of doing it, it cms
20:46<charisma_13>it will be, but there will not be a lot of intergenerational pointers around
20:46<charisma_13>i just have to find a graceful solution for this
20:47<charisma_13>did u get my point, cpp?
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20:48<cccp>hmm.. what exactly do you mean by intergenerational pointer?
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20:49<charisma_13>ok.. i have generation 0, with all the objects which has been collected from two or more garbage collection
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20:49<charisma_13>now when my object from generation 0 points to some pointer is the younger generation
20:49<charisma_13>i have to note this pointer so that during the collection phase i will not discard the object contained by this pointer
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20:52<BmwStreetRacer>Hi guys
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20:52<BmwStreetRacer>can anyone give a hand?
20:53<witte>BmwStreetRacer: depends
20:53<BmwStreetRacer>i'm a noobie at Linux and i'm stuck on my boot
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20:54<BmwStreetRacer>i installed Debian 4.0 on my laptop
20:54<cccp>charisma_13: hm.. i'm sorry, but i think i cant help you - either its my lack of concentration at this time of day or my missin background knowledge about GC ;) good luck anyways, and feel free to tell me any results in query
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20:54<berat>i wrote alsa force-reload
20:54<piper>berat: ,
20:54<berat>and i take output
20:54<witte>BmwStreetRacer: which error do you get?µ
20:54<berat>Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-intel snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc.
20:54<berat>Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-intel snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc.
20:54<berat>any meaning ?
20:55<BmwStreetRacer>the install was clean and great using noapic and nolapic
20:55<piper>well the modules loaded, not sure why no sound
20:55<BmwStreetRacer>now i have updated de system
20:55<berat>something happen
20:55<berat>i reload alsa
20:56<BmwStreetRacer>and configured ndiswrapper
20:56<berat>this time volume control give a warning
20:56<norbert_>something happen, they set us up the bomb
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20:56<norbert_>btw, I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to write a proper how to use freenet/tor/memdisk manual; something other than coding for a change
20:56<berat>very weird
20:56<BmwStreetRacer>wen i reboot the system fails on loading NFS and get's stuck in comand lina
20:57<berat>little time before
20:57<piper>berat: what was the error
20:57<berat>you have no suitable gstreamer
20:57<berat>it said that
20:57<berat>but now
20:57<norbert_>so, I'm off ;-)
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20:57<berat>i can join the volume control
20:57<BmwStreetRacer>i can't load gnome interface
20:57<berat>but in the symbol
20:57<berat>that seems to be muted
20:58<berat>but when i enter volume control
20:58<witte>BmwStreetRacer: do you get a login prompt?
20:58<berat>there is no muted
20:58<berat>every option is in %100
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20:58<BmwStreetRacer>and I log as root
20:58<witte>ok, so your boot is not broken, it is your X
20:58<berat>very weird
20:58<witte>BmwStreetRacer: why
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20:59<BmwStreetRacer>how can i fix the X ?
20:59<witte>BmwStreetRacer: in any case, see what is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:59<witte>or just try startx from commandline
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21:00<berat>what do you say about it piper ?
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21:00<BmwStreetRacer>i have done that ( start X) but i get a blank screen with the pointer as X
21:00<zac_22>ciao qualche italiano/a?
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21:00<witte>aptitude: tell zac_22 about it
21:01<piper>berat: first off, i don't use gnome, different dependencies than kde, i only used stable a couple times woody/sarge
21:01<witte>BmwStreetRacer: ok, ctrl-alt-backspace to kill that X instance
21:01<witte>aptitude drxx
21:01<aptitude>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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21:01<witte>BmwStreetRacer: ^^ that is for you
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21:02<BmwStreetRacer>ok thank's i'm going to try that
21:02<berat>unload the alsa
21:02<BmwStreetRacer>see you in a minutes
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21:08<jag>any url with some good debian 4 etch repos
21:09<witte>aptitude: sources.list
21:09<aptitude>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
21:09<jag>i just downloaded etch 4 stable but my repos show etch 3.1
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21:09<witte>if you replace the <cc> above into your country code that should be ok
21:10<witte>jag: 3.1 was sarge, and where do they show that?
21:10<jag>in software properties
21:10<jag>but im not new to debian so i know 4 sure i installed etch 4
21:11<jag>but why are they still using the sources from etch 3.1
21:11<witte>jag: look into your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:11<jag>let me chech
21:11<witte>jag: etch is not 3.1; 3.1 is sarge
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21:12<jag># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1
21:12<jag>20070820-20:21]/ etch contrib main
21:12<jag># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1
21:12<jag>20070820-20:21]/ etch contrib main
21:12<jag>deb etch main
21:12<jag>deb-src etch main
21:12<jag>deb etch/updates main contrib
21:12<jag>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
21:12<witte>jag: dont paste here
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21:12<jag>just for you to take a look at it
21:12<witte>aptitude: paste
21:12<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:13<jag>hey guys any other repo i can use to install more packages to etch 4
21:13<witte>jag: you are lucky oftc is not fully runnign today or you would have been kicked
21:13<jag>is my first time here
21:13<witte>jag: you have etch now,
21:13<jag>so i know nao
21:13<witte>which country do you live?
21:14<jag>panama canal
21:14<witte>jag: ok, i do not know the country code for panama, and i do not know the best mirror for that :-)
21:14<witte>one second
21:14<jag>anyway i can use anymirror i have a good connection here
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21:15<jag>excellent speed
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21:15<witte>aptitude: tell jag about apt-spy
21:15<jag>not so good as in us but for me is ok
21:15<jag>apt-spy whats that
21:16<witte>jag: it is a program to select the best mirrors
21:16<witte>aptitude: tell jab about mirrors
21:16<jag>uuuuu that sounds good
21:16<charisma_13>cccp: thanks a lot for your help anyways
21:17<charisma_13>cccp: i will have to find the solution somehow anyways.. i shall let you know what I figure out
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21:25<jag>bye thanks for the help
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21:34<stoneman>I know to use at to start a command at a specified time. What do I use to tell it to stop at a set time ?
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21:35<witte>stoneman: you can kill it at that specified time?
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21:36<stoneman>I'm on a limited bandwith connection. I have unlimited dl's from 3 to 6 am. I want to tell wget to start and stop during those times.
21:37<witte>stoneman: it would not be a very nice thing to do, but at 6am, you can do killall wget from cron
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21:38<witte>and if you have wget -c, you can continue your download later on
21:38<stoneman>wget -c should recover. Thank you !
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21:42<stoneman>While I am here, I run etch64. My smartphone only works as a modem under a newer ( 2.20 ) . The patch does not agree with amd64. How can I put a newer kernel on the laptop without upgrading everyything else ? pin all besides the kernel ?
21:44<witte>aptitude: simple sid backport
21:44<aptitude>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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21:44<witte>aptitude: backports
21:44<aptitude>from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
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21:47<stoneman>You are awesome witte !
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21:47<witte>stoneman: I know :P
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21:49<berat>are there a mysql channel to speak about mysql or quenstion about it ?
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21:50<witte>berat: #mysql
21:50<mu-tiger>floppy not possible
21:52<berat>noone in there
21:52<mu-tiger>any reason not to/anything special i should know re trying to install netinstall from one hdd to the other using loop -o from slack w lilo?
21:52<berat>are there someone who is experienced about mysql
21:52<berat>it is so important
21:52<berat>i made a project
21:52<berat>i take notes i am graduated
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21:59<tgc0der>I just did a dist-upgrade in Lenny and it fscked up my fglrx drivers and now I can't get direct rendering. Fglrx loads, but no rendering. What do you need from me to help?
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22:05<stoneman>fstab ? tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
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22:06<stoneman>xorg.conf ? Section "dri" Mode 0666 EndSection
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22:08<tgc0der>it's there
22:08<tgc0der>I had it working perfectly until I did the dist-upgrade around 4pm.
22:08<tgc0der>about 5 hours ago
22:09<stoneman>fglrxinfo results ?
22:09<tgc0der>display: :0.0 screen: 0
22:09<tgc0der>OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project:
22:09<tgc0der>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
22:09<tgc0der>OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
22:10<stoneman>did you dl or rebuild the package with ./ati** --buildpkg ?
22:11<tgc0der>I did it through synaptic first, then that didn't work so I did a complete removal of all things fglrx, then dl the latest from ATI and did the ./ati***
22:12<Guest693>excuse me... anyone can help me? i need to configure a konversation irc client behind a firewall; have conversation this configuration option or what else can i do?
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22:13<stoneman>Which driver does xorg.conf show ?
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22:16<stoneman>make sure xorg.conf shows Section "Module" Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "glx"EndSection
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22:16<stoneman>then do ati-fglrx-config-display enable ati-fglrx-config-display enabledri
22:18<tgc0der>I don't have ati-fglrx-config-display
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22:21<stoneman>aticonfig --initial ?
22:22<tgc0der>I have aticonfig
22:22<tgc0der>did aticonfig --initial, no dice
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22:23<stoneman>did it nag about already done ?
22:23<tgc0der>yeah, I used my same xorg.conf
22:24<tgc0der>more than likely I just need the previous version of the driver. in which case I would be highly pissed
22:25<stoneman>sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
22:26<stoneman>sudo mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri
22:26<stoneman>sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri/ /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri
22:27<stoneman>What card are you running ?
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22:29<tgc0der>Mobility Radeon X600
22:29<stoneman>That is supported by the latest driver .
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22:30<stoneman>my lame 200 is even.
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22:33<stoneman>modprobe fglrx results
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22:34<tgc0der>I checked through my log and there are messages about the kernel. I've been meaning to update my kernel for a bit so I am going to do that and see if it works. Thanks for your help. If I can't get it to work, I'll be back. Thanks!
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22:35<stoneman> gives a massive amount of info about the kernel bug related to this and the solution
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22:36<stoneman>Was that close II. :P
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22:57<papna>Hi there. I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop, an Averatec 3250. Apparently this has previously been done successfully by others. I downloaded the netinstall CD for testing from today. I've gone through the setup a couple times and I freeze at 5% on `Select and install software' shortly after I select the packages or groups of packages or whatever I need and I tell it what keymap to use. Can anyone help me?
23:00<mu-tiger>seems like i saw a similar thread at lqo
23:01<mu-tiger>when i was researching my issue
23:02<papna>mu-tiger: Do you remember if there was any resolution? Do you remember anything else that would help me find the thread?
23:03<mu-tiger>i just searched like
23:03<mu-tiger>the debian forums for netinstall and loop -o
23:03<mu-tiger>or something
23:03<mu-tiger>sorry, that was this morning
23:03<mu-tiger>it's hours later
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23:09<dsy>hi there?
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23:10<papna>dsy: Hello. You're free to go ahead and ask whatever question you have, and if anyone sees it and knows the answer, they'll tell you. :)
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23:15<reynaldo>guess he didn't like the conditions :)
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23:17<papna>reynaldo: Guess not.
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23:35<lindenle>is there a command line tool to get weather info?
23:36<Solver>i'm only half joking
23:36<lindenle>Solver yeah I guess...I was thinking more liker weather -temp -local <locale>
23:37<Solver>lindenle: yeah. I don't know of a tool like that off hand
23:37[~]Solver wanders off
23:37<lindenle>I want to use the outside temp to set a graphic in a php script...kind of silly but I am bored
23:37<Solver>it'd be cute :)
23:38<lindenle>I know
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23:41<lindenle>Oh I got it
23:41<lindenle>curl -s | grep Feels | sed -s s/.*'Feels Like<BR>'// | sed -e s/'°'.*//
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23:53<simonrvn>lindenle: metar; feed it an ICAO code and it'll give you the weather for that airport
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