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---Logopened Mon Dec 10 00:00:18 2007
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00:00<brunoskrebs>Supaplex, it says:
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00:00<brunoskrebs>[2007/12/09 19:36:37, 0] auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_administrators(785)
00:00<brunoskrebs> create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators
00:00<brunoskrebs>[2007/12/09 19:36:37, 0] auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_users(751)
00:00<brunoskrebs> create_builtin_users: Failed to create Users
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00:02<WhyACow>i have syslog running hourly and its not a cron.gourly job. anyone know where i should look to stop it running?
00:03<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: what's security = in smb.conf?
00:03<jello>WhyACow: what do you mean you have it running hourly? syslog is a daemon that runs in the background
00:03<brunoskrebs>I have a very small smb.conf
00:04<brunoskrebs>I have this:
00:04<WhyACow>yeah but its executing a restart every hour as seen in my syslog :/
00:04<Supaplex>WhyACow: are you running logrotate hourly?
00:04<brunoskrebs>workgroup = MYHOME
00:04<brunoskrebs>netbios name = DEBIAN
00:04<brunoskrebs>guest account = bruno
00:04<brunoskrebs>path = /share
00:04<Supaplex>!tell brunoskrebs -about paste
00:04<WhyACow>i have nothing in my cron.hourly dir
00:05<Supaplex>WhyACow: what about crontab for root?
00:05<jello>WhyACow: or check /etc/cron.d
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00:05<WhyACow>only mdadm in /etc/cron.d
00:05<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: that's your whole smb.conf? btw, from now on, don't paste more than 2-3 lines. use instead
00:06<brunoskrebs>oh ok sorry
00:06<brunoskrebs>yes thats my whole smb
00:06<WhyACow>and nothing in crontab...just run the daily, weekly and monthly
00:06<brunoskrebs>I dont need any really diferente security settings, it only me on lan
00:06<WhyACow>but hourly isnt even in there
00:06<WhyACow>oh it is
00:07<WhyACow>but nothing unusual
00:08<WhyACow>i got this in /var/log/syslog every hour -Dec 10 13:49:50 Etch syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart.
00:08<Supaplex>WhyACow: The reason I ask about logrotate is, a logrotate definition file could restart syslog to detach/cleanup open log files. then they'll reopen new files and continue writing there, otherwise the old ones (still open file descriptors) are appended...
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00:09<WhyACow>logrorate is in the cron.daily Supaplex
00:10<WhyACow>and nothing in /etc/logrorate.d about syslog
00:12<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: man smb.conf says security = user is the default. Try connecting with smbclient first, it's a little eaiser to troubleshoot using that.
00:12<brunoskrebs>oh ok
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00:14<jello>brunoskrebs: try `smbclient -L <server>` and see if you get a list of the shares
00:14<brunoskrebs>it worked
00:14<brunoskrebs>it was because I was not configuring properly the file smb.conf
00:14<jello>brunoskrebs: after that works, the rest is pretty easy
00:15<brunoskrebs>it worked mounting already
00:15<brunoskrebs>thanks mate
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00:16<wjj>sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
00:16<wjj>Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
00:17<wjj>gdm can't auto run
00:17<jello>wjj: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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00:18<wjj>i'wll try
00:18<WhyACow>anyone with any other suggestions for my problem above?
00:18<WhyACow>its basically this problem but hourly -
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00:19<wjj>nothing to be done?
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00:24<wjj>it not work
00:24<wjj>splay manager gdm
00:24<jello>wjj: you need to be more specific than that
00:24<wjj>i have try -fore-reload
00:25<wjj>it not make effect
00:25<jello>wjj: did you check the log??
00:25<jello>wjj: probably something like /var/log/gdm.log
00:25<wjj>how to check
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00:26<Nevo>tail /var/log/message
00:27<jello>or /var/log/syslog
00:27<JJCale>Hi. I'm testing xchat. Can I please send a file to someone in order to see if I can dcc send files ?
00:27<wjj>the file is empt
00:28<jello>wjj: which one is empty?
00:29<jello>JJCale: just set up a second terminal with another nick and test that way
00:30<wjj> /var/log/messages
00:30<JJCale>jello: I can't test that way cause the IP will be the same and also it could be my firewall
00:30<wjj>nothing about gdm info
00:30<JJCale>jello: besides it's a lot eaiser to just send a file to someone.
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00:30<jello>JJCale: well, i've never used dcc so i'm not much help...
00:30<JJCale>jello: ok, thanks, anyway
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00:31<jello>wjj: don't pm me, it's rude without asking for permission first
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00:32<wjj>how do u know i pm u
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00:32<JJCale>so, can I send a file to someone else, just to test xchat configuration?
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00:36<WhyACow>i have syslog running hourly and its not a cron.hourly job. anyone know where i should look to stop it running?
00:37<jello>WhyACow: what's in /etc/default/syslogd?
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00:37<WhyACow>thats the only line besides comments
00:38<jello>WhyACow: that's good
00:38<Supaplex>WhyACow: dpkg -l sysklogd | grep sysklogd
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00:39<WhyACow>ii sysklogd 1.4.1-18 System Logging Daemon
00:39<Supaplex>so it's etch. how long has this issue been noticable?
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00:40<WhyACow>couple days max
00:40<Supaplex>what's changed since then?
00:40<WhyACow>only things i can think of that could affect it are apache2 and trying to install nvidia drivers
00:41<jello>WhyACow: check /var/log/dpkg.log for hints...
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00:42<WhyACow>half installed and half configured are bad things im guessing
00:42<jello>WhyACow: sudo dpkg --configure -a
00:43<WhyACow>with the sudo in debian right?
00:43<WhyACow>no output from that
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00:44<jello>everything must be okay then...
00:44<jello>double check with apt-get install -f
00:44<Supaplex>look through your syslogs and see when the first time it was restarting hourly
00:45<WhyACow>syslog only goes back to this morning
00:46<WhyACow>apt-get install -f was also fine :/
00:47<Supaplex>do you have gzipped syslog files to?
00:48<WhyACow>oh i do
00:48<WhyACow>but 48 past the hour is my restart time so ill just wait till it does its thing
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00:49<jochieng>hello ... i am getting Remote host said: 554 : Relay access denied
00:50<jochieng>Giving up on
00:50<jochieng>can someone help
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00:51<Supaplex>jochieng: yea, quit spamming ;) - is this an account your work or isp gives you? your own domain? who hosts it?
00:53<Xavi>need help with /dev/tty* on my Powerbook
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00:53<Xavi>Ctrl+Alt+F... doesnt works
00:53<Xavi>but chvt does
00:54<else58>I just installed Lenny from 20071207 netinst and grub.cfg did not have "insmod lvm"
00:54<else58>Where would I check to see if this is a known problem?
00:54<Supaplex>aptitude: tell else58 about bts
00:55<Xavi>try lsmod to see if you lvm module
00:56<Xavi>can anybody help my with my powerbook /dev/tty* ???
00:58<jello>Xavi: what about plain alt-f1?
00:58<jello>Xavi: the ctrl is only needed from X
00:58<Xavi>brightness contrl
00:59<jochieng>Supaplex: its a client who sent this error message, i have googled and it looks like a spam error, cos all other clients dnt receive this error, however, could it be cos of domain. I did an nslookup of domain and it says time-out on the mail server
00:59<Xavi>no alt+F... takes me to term
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01:01<Supaplex>jochieng: is pretty helpful most of the time.
01:04<else58>So my question is: Is grub-pc (grub2) supposed to add "insmod lvm" to grub.cfg or some install script?
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01:47<chealer>aptitude: madwifi
01:47<aptitude>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information is at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead.
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01:56<Supaplex>aptitude: be dpkg
01:56<aptitude>Supaplex: are you using Windows?
01:59<simonrvn>@ff Supaplex
01:59<ravenbird>Supaplex: fartfish
01:59<Supaplex>can ravenbird takeover for ! while dpkg isn't here?
02:00<Gekz>aptitude: zd1211rw
02:00<aptitude>zd1211rw is probably the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required.
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02:00<simonrvn>it isn't set up that way here
02:01<simonrvn>but technically possible
02:01<simonrvn>aptitude could too if it's running infobot trunk
02:01<aptitude>i haven't a clue, simonrvn
02:01<simonrvn>aptitude: i know you don't you silly bot
02:01<aptitude>simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
02:02<Supaplex>aptitude: entertain yourself
02:02<aptitude>i don't know, Supaplex
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02:03<Supaplex>aptitude: lart bug #455465
02:03<simonrvn>@dbugs 455465
02:03<ravenbird>#455465:N[xresprobe] xresprobe: 100% cpu near thunk.c:92 x_outb; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:54:01 UTC
02:05<Supaplex>loads o fun. (no pun on "load" intended)
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02:07<WhyACow>yay syslog resets stopped
02:09<Supaplex>WhyACow: what's the cause?
02:09<WhyACow>dunno to tell you the truth but i removed nagios2 and apache2 and did a hard reset
02:09<WhyACow>2 hours passed and i have an uptime more than 1 hour
02:10<jochieng>i get this error (waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/mic:unscaled" refount is 2 ,should be 1 ;fixing) when i try to startx, can some1 help
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02:10<simonrvn>that's a warning...
02:10<simonrvn>&tell jochieng about errors
02:10<jochieng>how do i fix it
02:11<simonrvn>aptitude: tell jochieng about errors
02:11<simonrvn>sorry, wrong factoid
02:13<simonrvn>jochieng: it doesn't impede function. if you're reall concerned about it, i'd file a bug, but you're likely to get laughed at or ignored
02:13<jochieng>thts what i thght too
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02:14<jochieng>so th BIG question is how i get this over with
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02:15<simonrvn>if you have an actual fontpath in xorg.conf thats exactly the way it shows it in that error, then you could do something about it, but otherwise not much for concern
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02:15<Supaplex>jochieng: is it somehow stopping you from using x?
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02:15[~]simonrvn doubts it
02:16<simonrvn>i've seen it before, and never stopped x from running
02:16<jochieng>Supaplex: yes, i see the window then later it takes me back to the command prompt with the error
02:16<simonrvn>weird. first time for anything ;)
02:17<jochieng>i have also installed xfonts-base over and over and edited the the xorg file for the fontpaths but no way forward
02:18<jochieng>i m from fedora n thgt well debian wld make it abit more interesting but i think i dnt knw lots of things yet!!! sad thing to experience esp. when u want to dolots of things on debian
02:18<Supaplex>jochieng: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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02:20<jochieng>Supaplex: i m in a dual boot, let me get into debian and return
02:20<jochieng>Supaplex: with the logs
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02:30<Supaplex>meh brain is in 0 boot. nite. :P
02:30<Supaplex>have fun simonrvn
02:30<simonrvn>g'night Supaplex
02:31[~]simonrvn should go to bed soon too
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02:34<jochieng>Supaplex: when i grep EE /var/log/Xorg.O.log i get this >> (ww) warning, (ee) error, (ni) not implemented, (??) unknown, (ll) loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
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02:37<jochieng>somebody get me some help
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02:58<jochien1>have i been put on ignore!!!!!!
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03:00<kmap>Ah, dpkg is back!
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03:02<simonrvn>jochien1: no, spupaples left, and i'm about to go to sleep
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03:03<don_inlab>forgot that I had been playing around with setting the user name on this client to irrelevant things
03:03<simonrvn>don_inlab: welcome back
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03:09<jochien1>simonrvn: okey
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03:16<jochien1>I am getting this very bad error >> waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/mic:unscaled" refount is 2 ,should be 1 ;fixing.
03:16<jochien1>anybody know how to solve it please?
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04:01<indraveni>through debian package, if I want to replace a file which has been created by another package, then how can I do it
04:01<indraveni>as, installation of my packages is saying that , trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/bn_IN/LC_MESSAGES/', which is also in package gnome-nettool
04:01<indraveni>i cannot remove gnome-nettool package or my package, how can I remove this conflict ?
04:04<weasel>you are looking for diversions
04:04<weasel>if you really need to include the same file - which seems weird
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04:25<tmo_dibbler>Hi, I'm familiar with GNU/Linux, but I'm new to debian. I try to compile a slightly different kernel but I want to keep all the patches and nearly all the config. Where should I look for documentation on that topic?
04:26<njende>Hi there! Has anyone of you recognised problems with CD/DVD drives in lenny? Mine wont get found in k3b, konqui,...
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04:27<chealer>aptitude: tell tmo_dibbler about kp
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04:29<njende>So, noone but me had to face probs in lenny with is cd/dvd drives?
04:29<tmo_dibbler>tnaks! that's exactly what I was looking for.
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04:31<Schampong>hi. Is someone willing to help me setting up my /etc/security/limits.conf?
04:32<suiside>njende: your question is too vague to fetch any answers
04:32<dli>can I get a list of opened (r/w) files by a process?
04:33<Schampong>dli: ave you tried lsof yet
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04:33<dli>Schampong, like the opposite of lsof
04:33<suiside>dli: man fuser
04:34<Schampong>ahh yes
04:34<dli>Schampong, yes, lsof -p
04:34<njende>suiside: okay, in /var/log/syslog my drive gets recognized
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04:35<Schampong>who can help me?
04:35<njende>suiside: I'll paste that bit an post a link
04:35<suiside>njende: check that its device node has sane permissions
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04:36<Aritmico>morning all
04:37<Schampong>dli: thanks, I've seen this manual for about 15 times this day, but that's not my problem
04:38<dli>Schampong, what do you want?
04:38<Schampong>The problem is, that depite I understand the technical background of resource limiting, I find the description in the above mentioned manual and also in the manpages very vague
04:38<Schampong>for example: what does "core - limits the core file size (KB)" means?
04:39<Schampong>the core of what? the memory of 1 process or the memory of ALL processes of a user?
04:40<njende>suiside: here ist the output of lspci: and that's the bit I found in /var/log/syslog:
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04:41<Schampong>also "data - max data size (KB)": does this apply to the data segment size or to some other (file) data size? again, is this per process or for all processes of a user?
04:43<njende>suiside: do my posts help?
04:43<dli>Schampong, core size means size for "core" dump
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04:45<njende>suiside: that is what I'll get once I start i.e. k3b in a console:
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04:46<dli>Schampong, all mean for a user
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04:49<njende>suiside: are you having some ideas/hints/Suggestions for me?
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04:50<njende>maybe someone else???
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04:52<dli>njende, can you use the cd-rom to read some cd?
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04:53<chealer>njende: what's your hard drive?
04:54<njende>dli: no :-( But I could saturday and this morning I ran aptitude-update and a aptitude safe-upgrade and since...
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04:54<dli>njende, "modprobe ide-cd"
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04:56<njende>dli: didnt't help -- unfortunately
04:57<dli>njende, do you have ide-cd loaded? "lsmod|grep ide-cd"
04:57<njende>here is the output of lsmod
04:58<njende>dli: it seems that ide-cd didn't get loaded
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05:00<dli>njende, what's your kernel?
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05:00<njende>chealer: that's my HD FUJITSU MHV2060BH PL
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05:01<njende>dli: I've got 2 installed , actually I'm with a 2.6.18-4-486
05:01<njende>dli: the 2.6.22 doesn't like since this morning my drive either
05:02<tmo_dibbler>I need some more hints with my kernel. I want the xen-patches included the debian-way, how do I do that?
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05:06<[AA]dev-null>hi everybody
05:07<[AA]dev-null>how i can add local ru_RU.KOI8-R in my ubuntu?
05:07<chealer>[AA]dev-null: if your question isn't about Debian, it's offtopic here.
05:07<JasonS>[AA]dev-null: tryasking in #ubuntu
05:07<chealer>njende: which file does it use?
05:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
05:08<[AA]dev-null>thanks a lot
05:08<njende>chealer: what do xou mean by "which file does it use" ?
05:08<[AA]dev-null>but there are 4 people on #ubuntu)
05:09<weasel>[AA]dev-null: 1) not our problem 2) read what dpkg told you.
05:09<[AA]dev-null>ill setup Debian and wikk ask you)
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05:09<[AA]dev-null>ill setup Debian and will ask you)
05:09<dpkg>i heard wmv is : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited.
05:11<njende>chealer: I have /media/cdrom -- if it's that what you meant
05:12<njende>chealer: if it's of any help, here is the output of ls -la /media:
05:12<njende>hp6325-etch:/var/log# ls -la /media
05:12<njende>insgesamt 12
05:12<njende>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-12-10 10:11 .
05:12<njende>drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2007-11-09 16:43 ..
05:12<njende>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-01-13 15:03 cdrom -> cdrom0
05:12<njende>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-01-13 15:03 cdrom0
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05:13<njende>chealer: was that of any help?
05:15<chealer>njende: no, I meant which file in /dev/ does your hard driver use?
05:15<njende>chealer: okay...hold on
05:16<suiside>[AA]dev-null: try #ubuntu on freenode
05:16<njende>chealer: /dev/sda
05:17<suiside>njende: check the permissions on that
05:18<chealer>njende: OK. which Debian suite do you use?
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05:18<suiside>njende: and make sure you are in the cdrom group
05:20<njende>suiside in /etc/group it says: cdrom:x:24:njende
05:20<njende>suiside: so, I'd say I'm in the group
05:21<njende>chealer: I'm on sid but hadn't had any probs I couldn't solve - but today...
05:21<suiside>now check that the group has the needed permissions for the device node in /dev
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05:23<njende>suiside: there is NO cdrom in /dev
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05:24<chealer>njende: /dev/hda does not exist?
05:24<FLipp>hm mist
05:26<njende>chealer: nope
05:27<njende>FLipp: #debian-de
05:27<FLipp>was ist hier los
05:27<FLipp>ah danke
05:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:27<chealer>njende: please provide your syslog
05:27<sooperkuh>FLipp: gern geschehen
05:27<njende>chealer: just a sec I'll post the link
05:27<FLipp>there is nobody to talk to
05:28<JasonS>FLipp: then try freendoe or belwue as dpkg said
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05:29<fgh>which file handles the CTRL+ALT+DEL command?
05:29<fgh>ofc, thanks
05:33<njende>chealer: here it is
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05:36<Gekz>can anyone tell me why debootstrapping sid using lenny would fail?
05:36<chealer>njende: it seems truncated, but there are quite a few errors with the drive
05:37<Gekz>because it is failing.
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05:38<njende>chealer: ooops... :-(
05:39<njende>chealer: any ideas how to solve that? Is it a Kernel prob or more likely a hardware prob?
05:39<chealer>njende: was there a CD in the drive?
05:39<njende>chealer: yes
05:40<njende>a blank one
05:40<weasel>Gekz: debootstrap lenny, upgrade to sid.
05:40<chealer>njende: does the problem occur without any disk in?
05:41<Gekz>weasel: that's a good idea, but using the "-f build" flag will affect that, wont it?
05:42<njende>chealer: well, I just started k3b again in a console and the same prob occured: There is no CD-/DVD-Rom Drive
05:43<chealer>njende: I mean if you remove the disk, the reboot, does /dev/hda exist?
05:43<njende>chealer: Ahhhh... :-) okay I'll reboot the baby quickly and will be back in a few secs
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05:51<hachi>how can I list files in a package that I have installed?
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05:52<weasel>dpkg -L
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05:52<hachi>ooooh, thanks
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05:54<njende>chealer: Just rebooted and what I've got in /dev is: cdrw, cdrom, dvdrw and dvd BUT no hda
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05:57<njende>chealer: that's been the trick :-)) Thanks for your help!!!
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06:02<Wesley>relocation error: /usr/bin/mkpwd: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file with link time reference any quick fix for this?
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06:06<vigneswari>hello all
06:06<vigneswari>i am customizing taskel package..i dont know how to mark a task to install by default
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06:07<vigneswari>i ve taken source from lenny. in that print server is marked already.
06:08<vigneswari>how they marked it, i am not getting becoz control file is not having any field to make it work
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06:08<vigneswari>could anybody help me in this
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06:25<vigneswari>sorry pkg name is tasksel
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06:25<vigneswari>anybody is having idea on customizing tasksel..
06:26<vigneswari>or suggest me a link for that
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06:36<Gekz_>how can I bootstrap a debian chroot into say, Arch linux
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06:42<lupine>install debootstrap, go from there
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06:42<lupine>assuming you're asking what I think you're asking
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06:43<Gekz_>what do you think I'm asking
06:43<lupine>how to set up a debian chroot from an arch linux install
06:44<lupine>if you're asking how to set up an arch linux chroot from a debian install, then you should be asking the archlinux bods ;)
06:44<Gekz_>no, I'm asking what you think i am
06:44<Gekz_>is debootstrap portable?
06:44<Gekz_>what a stupid question
06:44<Gekz_>its a debootstrap
06:44<lupine>it might even be in the arch repos
06:44<Gekz_>wheres the portable link?
06:45<lupine>if not, then download the .deb, extract it and run it
06:45<lupine>It Requires: wget, and that's about it
06:45<Gekz_>the reason I'm asking is because sshfs mounting the partition and running debootstrap is failing
06:46<Gekz_>I keep getting errors like "Operation not implemented"
06:46<lupine> is where the .deb is
06:46<Gekz_>when it tries to make a hard link
06:46<lupine>Gekz_: yeah, sshfs is cool, but not all there just yet
06:46<lupine>ar -x the .deb, then extract the resulting data.tar.gz
06:46<Gekz_>I know how to open a deb
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06:46<Gekz_>I make my sound more noobish than I am :P
06:46<lupine>good stuff :)
06:47<Gekz_>I'm just new to the whole debian scene
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06:47<Gekz_>I've made a debian installre though, using d-i
06:47<Gekz_>and reported a bug with installing lenny :P
06:47<ka0s> hi @ all
06:49<jochieng>hello any body can give a big hand..
06:49<Gekz_>lupine: what about cdebootstrap?
06:49<jochieng>i am hving problem startx, i get this error >> waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/mic:unscaled" refount is 2 ,should be 1 ;fixing. what could this be
06:49<lupine>never heard of it
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06:51<Gekz_>lupine: lol
06:51<jochieng>i encountered problem installing xfonts-base, told me /usr/X11/fonts/misc couldnt be found, from there nothing is happening, is it cos i hv not yet installed my radeon driver Hmmmm!?
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06:54<lupine>jochieng: font messages are warnings, not errors
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06:57<sPiCy`>i've got a locale problem
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06:57<sPiCy`>root account -> fr_FR.UTF8
06:57<sPiCy`>other account -> fr_FR@euro
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07:00<sPiCy`>hi yos87
07:01<jochieng>lupine: how do i solve my problem?
07:01<yos87>I have question, I want to make folder no body can copy from except root, somebody can help me how to do?
07:01<jochieng>lupine:what do u think it is anyway
07:01<sPiCy`>create it with root account
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07:03<lupine>chmod 700
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07:03<lupine>also chown root:root
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07:07<jochieng>this is a pretty shitty day for me
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07:09<jochieng>i never get helped
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07:09<azeem>jochieng: paste the full error output to a pastebin
07:09<azeem>"told me couldn't be found" sounds vague
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07:10<jochieng>azeem: i wonder how i can do that
07:10<azeem>jochieng: if all else fails, you transcribe the full error message precisely
07:11<azeem>jochieng: are you logged in on the console right now, or from another computerß?
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07:11<jochieng>i am logged in to windows right now (dual boot)
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07:13<azeem>jochieng: then reboot, write down the exact error on a piece of paper, than reboot again and copy that error to a pastebin, then paste the URL here
07:13<sPiCy`>which charset do we have to use there ?
07:14<sPiCy`>on this channel
07:14<sPiCy`>(and server)
07:14<azeem>utf-8 or iso-8859-x I think
07:14<azeem>or ascii, of course
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07:15<mohkohn>Does virtualbox-ose work well with lenny?
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07:55<yang> seem to be down?
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07:57<noflash>yang, it seems to be down at the moment
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08:00<streuner_>yang: should be soon up again
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08:03<gamag>to upgrade linux-image, do I have to do dist-upgrade? shouldn't only aptitude upgrade, upgrade the linux-image?
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08:06<azeem>gamag: usually, a new linux image has a different package name (the version is encoded in the package name so you can install more than one image at a time for resuce or testing purposes)
08:06<azeem>gamag: upgrade will not install new or remove obsolete packages, you need dist-upgrade for that.
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08:06<azeem>gamag: or run aptitude install <package> to force the installation of new depends
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08:07<gamag>azeem: ok! I have already dist-upgraded to lenny once which installed linux-image-2.6.22-2 now I see that lenny has 2.6.22-3. so I need to dist-upgrade right?
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08:08<azeem>gamag: or just install 2.6.22-3 directly
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08:08<gamag>azeem: I used to think that once we have dist-upgraded to lenny, the only next dist-upgrade I need to do is when I want to switch to sid, but here it seems, in the same lenny version also they obsolete and introduce new packages in between.
08:08<gamag>azeem: ok
08:08<azeem>gamag: dist-upgrade might remove some packages, which might be unwanted. Just check the list of things dist-upgrade will do and cancel if it looks troublesome
08:08<gamag>azeem: ok
08:08<gamag>azeem: I want to know how come new packages are introduced in the same lenny version?
08:09<azeem>gamag: lenny is testing
08:09<azeem>it is constantly changing
08:09<azeem>until it becomes stable
08:09<gamag>azeem: ok, so in etch such sudden introductioin of packages don't happen. right?
08:09<gamag>only security patches in etch?
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08:11<azeem>gamag: yeah, but the linux kernel might be a different matter - a security fix might mean to change the last digit, like from -2 to -3 above
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08:46<Freak_>quick question before I run "dpkg -i homebrew-kernel.deb" :P
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08:47<Freak_>if I did "make menuconfig" in /usr/src/kernelname/ and selected all the options and whatever, after making " make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2:hostname.1.0 kernel_image", nothing should get screwed up, right? The old kernel initrd and kernel shouldn't be overwritten, right?
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08:50<Schampong>hi again
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09:31<joker12>helo, try installer debian in Thosiba tecra A4, but don't detect my CDROM and HardDisk. Sorry for my bad english
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09:39<joker12>Que parametros de arranque influyen en la deteccion del CDROM???
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09:40<TBBle>It's off-topic, but what time is it in US Pacific time, if anyone knows?
09:41<dmytro>HELP IDENTIFY
09:41<Jflesch>TBBle: I think it should be 6:43am
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09:41<dmytro>help identify
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09:41<TBBle>Ah, right. I obviously bookmarked a dumb clock, it reckoned 8:43am. Thanks. -_-
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09:56<cmot>What tools are available for watching activity on an nfs server?
09:56<cmot>To be precise: I want to watch certain files and find out who does stuff on them (open/read/write/lock)
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09:56<cmot>streuner_, nfsd does not look that much info afaict
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10:03<rjent>Greetings, I have a lenny install that seems to detect audio but I can get nothing. 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) Any ideas?
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10:05<Schampong>you checked the obvious?
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10:13<rjent>Schampong: lol, yes I believe I did.
10:14<rjent>Schampong: with alsa I only show one device. I did not check the bios nor boot with a live cd yet
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10:20<Schampong>module <insert whatever name> is loaded?
10:20<Schampong>have you checked device files in /dev/snd?
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10:21<Schampong>the device files and symlinks links the /sys path?
10:21<Schampong>kernel log files?
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10:23<rjent>Schampong: looks like stuff in /dev/snd
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10:24<rjent>Schampong: looks like modules are loaded
10:26<blubberdiblub>rjent: twiddled every possible volume bar and knob in alsamixer?
10:26<rjent>blubberdiblub: lol, yes, you must think like I do
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10:27<rjent>even the buttons on the top of the system visually adjust the volume bar. :)
10:28<rjent>I may reboot and peek around in the bios to see if I am missing something in there. And I have not checked the headphone jack yet
10:28<blubberdiblub>rjent: you don't happen to have that device inside a notebook/laptop? i've reading someone having similar problems a long time ago
10:29<rjent>I may also consider bumping up to sid to see if it goes away
10:29<rjent>I run sid on my other notebooks with no problem
10:30<blubberdiblub>maybe it's a problem with the chipset version having some registers the driver doesn't know about. like some special on/off register
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10:34<rjent>Oh well, I will reboot later today and look around in the bios.
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10:38<Schampong>rjent: what is udev saying?
10:38<blubberdiblub>rjent: you might want to try a more recent kernel as well, if everything else fails
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10:40<adri>hello all i have a problem with a debian 4.0 r1 and i need a help
10:40<blubberdiblub>rjent: does the laptop happen to have a mute led? does it indicate the sound is muted?
10:40<adri>my hard drive is a sata2
10:41<adri>and in bios have option configured SATA with
10:41<adri>IDE RAID AHCI
10:41<adri>what options is best fot this
10:41<adri>what options is best for this
10:42<adri>because debian know is a very slow
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10:43<jens>is there a german ubuntu irc channel???
10:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:52<Schampong>apt-get moo
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10:54<themill>dpkg: moo
10:54<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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10:55<Schampong>dpkg: are you a bot?
10:55<cmot>didn't know about cow.wav
10:56<Schampong>ohh man, all you Debian guys seem to have some severe cow-fetish ;)
10:56<cmot>Schampong, in my case, I inherited it probably from my mother and my god-mother
10:56<cmot>so you can say they're responsible for me joining the Debian crowde.
10:56<JasonS>Schampong: cows good, especially on the bbq
10:57<cmot>Or so.
10:57<cmot>prefer lambs or horse on the bbq, but cows good, too
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10:57<Schampong>you mean BarbieKuh
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10:57<cmot>Schampong, you speak cowderwelsch
10:57<themill>dpkg: bot
10:57<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
10:58<suntio>can someone help a bit with installing debian?
10:58<Schampong>cmot: are you somehow related to herakles? are what did you mean with "my god-mother"?
10:58<cmot>(german word, nothing to do with patents)
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10:59<suntio>i have 20gb of harddisk and need help with 5,4gb for / 682mb for swap and 14gb for /home ??
10:59<cmot>Hmm. no hyphen in godmother.
11:00<cmot>suntio, should be plenty
11:00<Schampong>suntio: depends on what you wanna do with it. sounds quiet good for desktop applications.
11:00<cmot>suntio, how much ram?
11:00<suntio>that was what automatic partitioning offered...sorry for bad english...
11:00<suntio>i think there is 256mb of ram
11:01<suntio>im not sure....just got that machine
11:01<suntio>its not for desktop use...its just for http,ftp,ssh server
11:01<Schampong>so you probably want to try lot's of things out?
11:01<cmot>Probably less swap would be good - once you're using a big part of the 600M the machine is likely to be unusable anyway
11:02<suntio>Schampong yes...
11:02<cmot>(but opinions differ on that, I guess)
11:02<Schampong>cmot: agree. On my personal workstation, I have completely disabled swap, no swap partition at all.
11:03<cmot>wouldn't do that with only .25G RAM, though.,
11:03<Schampong>but I wouldn't do that for the above mentioned server neither for luser desktop machines
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11:04<suntio>stupid guestion... is / a partition where all applications is installed?
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11:04<stew>suntio: the bulk of applications are installed in /usr which may or may not be on the / partition
11:04<suntio>and /home is a partition for all my personal files and homepages etc?
11:04<stew>suntio: you want to have some swap
11:04<Schampong>suntio: do you know the difference between the file system tree and a partition, volume/disk label and filesystems?
11:04<cmot>suntio, homepages are usually in /srv on modern systems, so you may want to think about having that separate.
11:05<stew>suntio: yes, /home/ is for personal files and can store webpages. webpages could also be in /var/www or /srv
11:05<jens__> support debian the realtek chip rtl8187???
11:05<cmot>Or do symlinks from /srv into /home (abusing /home a bit) so you don't suffer from guessing wrong when you decide on sizes of these.
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11:06<cmot>On bigger systems you'd probably do lvm, but not sure if it's worth the trouble for a home server
11:06<Schampong>I usually think that the 5.4G for the root partiton are a bit oversized, but since you want to try some stuff out, better leave some more place for additional software
11:06<suntio>hmmm...ok , so all i need is /, swap and /home ?
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11:06<cmot>technically, all you *need* is /
11:07<cmot>But yes, / and home with a bit swap should be fine.
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11:07<Schampong>sunito: on the other hand, for a server, I wouldn't like to have superfluous and unneccessary stuff on it
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11:07<suntio>but 5,4gb of / would be enough?
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11:08<cmot>suntio, yes, almost always.
11:08<suntio>Schampong it´s not just for server use...i use it to learn linux too
11:08<cmot>if it's tight, clear out /var/cache/archives after install
11:08<cmot>(but it will only be tight if you really go overboard with installing stuff.)
11:08<Schampong>well, my server is pretty much stripped down and tidy. it's root partition is 500MB, but it got a pretty big /home and an external /var too
11:09<cmot>(... or have huge things in /srv)
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11:09<suntio>btw what´s that /var partition?
11:09<Schampong>suntio: in this case, I think the 5.4gb are at least in a good range
11:09<cmot>everything that is application data and can be modified
11:09<cmot>(but on small systems I'd put var in /)
11:10<cmot>log files, mail data, databases, ...
11:10<suntio>so i can make that /var later and put it on / ?
11:10<cmot>suntio, if you're not very familiar with Linux yet I recommend just doing nothing special.
11:11<cmot>(which means that /var will just be a directory in your '/' partition)
11:11<suntio>im total newbie on linux :D
11:11<cmot>we all were, at some time :-)
11:12<Schampong>sunito: google for "Linux filesystem hierarchy standard"
11:12<suntio> installing debian with netinstall disc now, so there "might" be lots of stupid guestions from me today :D
11:12<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*)
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11:13<suntio>Schampong im not very good at english...have find that same "linux filesystem hierarchy standard" on finnish language somewhere
11:13<suntio>*have to find*
11:14<Schampong>there is a logic behind the division of the filesystem, and hopefully, debian is sufficient strict on that matter.
11:15[~]Schampong despite some other distros like suse and the like
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11:18<suntio>i have to to library tomorrow and loan some linux books :D
11:18<JasonS>suntio: why a book? you're online aren't you? good linux reading all ready
11:19<suntio>well that´s true...have to find finnish linux reading cuz my english is not so good :(
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11:20<cmot>suntio, just talk to Linux on irc, he's bound to speak finnish
11:21<cmot>linus, I meant
11:21<JasonS>cmot: i suspect he's too busy to be on irc
11:21<cmot>No, I can't imagine why
11:21<muep_>suntio: there are finnish irc channels for debian, too
11:21<suntio>and maybe too busy to help newbies like me ;)
11:21<muep_>suntio: #debian-fi
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11:22<suntio>thnx alot :D
11:22<myth>Hi, i'm trying to make kde my default desktop env after removing the login manager(i prefer the terminal prompt) after startx it defaults to gnome
11:22<Schampong>suntio: finish books about linux shouldn't be hard to find, since there a some good kernel hackers in finnland
11:22<cmot>myth, man update-alternatives
11:23<muep_>suntio: just beware that the finnish books tend to be a bit outdated
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11:23<cmot>set the alternative for x-session-manager
11:23<muep_>suntio: at least the ones you usually find in the shelves
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11:23<Schampong>muep_: this is true for almost all books about computer topics
11:24<Schampong>except for some all time theoretical classics
11:24<muep_>Schampong: well, most of the Linux books I find in the libraries are for Red Hat 5 or something like that...
11:24<myth>cmot, I tried that it loaded a black screen with a moveable mouse and nothing else
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11:24<cmot>myth, do you have all the necessary pkgs?
11:24<muep_>myth: I think editing your .xinitrc might suffice for getting startx to start kde instead of gnome
11:24<myth>pretty sure since i was using kde fine before i removed the login manager
11:25<cmot>myth, try deleting/renaming the .kde dir
11:25<myth>muep_, tied that also, same result
11:25<myth>the .xinitrc file didnt exit so i created it
11:25<Schampong>muep_: you probably went to the wrong libraries. Check out universities, but be careful, they usually got some really uncomprehensible books too :)
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11:25<cmot>myth, and look at .xsession-errors
11:25<cmot>(in your home)
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11:26<muep_>Schampong: the library I visited last was in our university... but there are many libraries in there.
11:26<myth>what exactly am i looking for
11:26<cmot>myth, any error message that might tell you why kde doesn't start - i have no idea.
11:27<myth>trying to create local folder /etc/kde3/kdm: Permission denied
11:27<myth>like that?
11:27<cmot>myth, in $HOME/.xsession-errors!?!?!?
11:27<cmot>Hmm. I thought you didn't want kdm...
11:28<Schampong>hmm, a permission problem. I had such stuff too, several months ago
11:28<myth>well i removed the login manager
11:28<cmot>what does x-session-manager point to?
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11:28<Schampong>but this can have a thousand different causes
11:28<myth>the exact command was update-rc.d <name> remove i believe
11:28<myth>cmot, currently to gnome
11:28<myth>gives me two options, gnome and kde
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11:29<cmot>could you try removing the kdm package instead of just disabling it?
11:29<cmot>But that's a shot in the dark, I gear
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11:29<myth>i suppose
11:30<myth>im still a bit confused as to what all the abbreviated desktop related terms mean, theres quite a bit
11:30<cmot>time's up
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11:30<cmot>gotta go - bye all (and sorry for the suddenness.)
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11:30<muep_>cmot: do you have "startkde" in your .xinitrc?
11:31<muep_>sorry, myth
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11:32<myth>no, that did the same thing as making kde my default manager through update-alternatives
11:32<myth>black blackground with a mouse, nothing else
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11:42<faheem___>Hi. My newish laptop is now producing segmentation faultsts and apt it not working.
11:42<faheem___>Google gets some hits. Hope this isn't a hardware problem.
11:43<faheem___>apt is not working, sorry.
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11:44<faheem___>Is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/*.bin?
11:44<myth>what do you mean by not working
11:44<myth>is it even recognized by the system
11:44<stew>faheem___: its safe to delete any files you want from /var/cache, but don't delete any directories
11:47<faheem___>myth: Well any command ends with "segmentation faultsts". I commented out the unstable line and deleted the two .bin files in /var/cache/apt, and that seemed to do the trick.
11:47<faheem___>stew: Thanks.
11:47<faheem___>Wonder why this happened.
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11:48<blubberdiblub>faheem___: do you happen to have a long /etc/apt/sources.list ?
11:49<stew>faheem___: you should consider running memtest86+
11:49<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Not really, no.
11:49<faheem___>I really hope this is not the symptom of some underlying hardware problem.
11:49<faheem___>stew: Good idea. Thanks.
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11:50<myth>at least you have a gui :P
11:50<faheem___>blubberdiblub: I have much longer in other places, but never seen this error before.
11:50<faheem___>stew: I'd have thought a hard drive problem was also possible.
11:50<faheem___>stew: Possibly a general stress test would be a good idea.
11:51<blubberdiblub>faheem___: well, i have a long sources.list, and it made aptitude etc. segfault ... i needed to increase the APT::Cache-Limit in apt.conf
11:52<blubberdiblub>faheem___: memtest86+ is quite a stress test ... on the RAM, that is.
11:52<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Really? I've see the infamous mmap error many times before on different machines, but never a segfault.
11:52<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Ok, will try.
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11:53<faheem___>Debian has both 86 and 86+. Wonder what the difference is.
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11:53<jagerman>+ is a fork of the original as the original stagnated for quite a while
11:54<faheem___>jagerman: I see. Thanks. + preferred then, presumably.
11:54<jagerman>Well, non-+ unstagnated eventually, and I think they are roughly equal nowadays.
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11:55<blubberdiblub>well, just bring along sufficient time ... one complete round trip through the passes will usually run quite long ;)
11:56<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Like how long? Leave running overnight?
11:56<blubberdiblub>faheem___: depends on your bus, type of memory and the amount of memory
11:57<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Ok. Thanks.
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11:58<suntio>how to install programs in debian? like irssi and other useful stuff?
11:58<blubberdiblub>faheem___: but be sure to go through all standard passes at least once (preferably more often). some strange errors are not easily detected, like interlinked bits and somesuch
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11:59<suntio>and what command show´s me my ip addres in debian?
11:59<faheem___>suntio: apt-get install, ifconfig ?
11:59<JasonS>suntio: aptitude install foo
11:59<stew>suntio: "ifconfig" or "ip a"
11:59<JasonS>and ifconfig as root or /sbin/ifconfig if not
12:00<stew>suntio: which isn't in a normal users path by default, so you might want "/sbin/ifconfig" as a normal user
12:01<faheem___>Wonder if lenovo would consider the output of memtest evidence of hw problems.
12:01<suntio>. /sbin/ifconfig worked as root
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12:01<faheem___>suntio: you can do ifconfig as root. /sbin in root path.
12:02<dkr>I think after more than a decade of people failing to run ifconfig because of it not being in user's paths should be corrected by now. :)
12:02<petemc>it is in ubuntu
12:02<blubberdiblub>faheem___: well, at least technically, if memtest spits out red lines, it's quite evident that there is something wrong ;) the mem tests of the POST are quite useless for most memory problems
12:03<dkr>maybe we should just hack netstat -i to also list ip address for each interface
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12:04<stew>dkr: people should start using ip instead, and all users can run "ip a"
12:04<dkr>ah, I thought ip was in /sbin also, but I just noticed that is a symlink
12:04<stew>especially seeing as how ifconfig isn't always smart enough to show you all of your ip addresses
12:05<stew>dkr: no, its /bin/ip
12:05<suntio>is there somekinda ssh server on by default so i can connect to my debian machine via this windows machine?
12:05<stew>suntio: aptitude install openssh-server
12:05<chealer>suntio: no
12:05<suntio>what´s the difference of apt-get and aptitude?
12:06<dkr>aptitude resolves dependencies better
12:06<aptitude>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dkr
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12:06<blubberdiblub>stew: true ... but i suspect ifupdown still uses ifconfig to do stuff :/
12:06<dkr>aptitude: why are you better than apt-get?
12:06<aptitude>dkr: what are you talking about?
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12:06<stew>blubberdiblub: the version in experimental uses ip
12:07<blubberdiblub>stew: whoa, that's good news :) but i think i'm not up to using stuff from experimental :)
12:07<korny|UTF-8>i have a keyboard without the super ("windows") key. How can i simulate this key by pressing ctrl + esc?
12:08<stew>blubberdiblub: yeah, i just meant to say that it is 'in the works'
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12:09<dkr>korny|UTF-8: by editing your .xmodmaprc
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12:10<korny|UTF-8>dkr: thanks
12:10<dkr>actually, just ~/.xmodmap not sure whether it gets sourced automatically. in my .tcshrc I have "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" so it gets added when I start
12:10<blubberdiblub>stew: i'm looking forward to having it in sid or lenny ... i always wanted to get rid if that ifconfig thing
12:10<stew>korny|UTF-8: i doubt you can do it with "ctrl+esc", but you could do it by taking over some other key, perhaps one of your control keys or your caps lock? i have one keyboard here where 'home' is super
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12:11<dkr>oh right, because super is a modifier
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12:16<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Not sure what you mean by "the mem tests of the POST".
12:16<blubberdiblub>faheem___: the Power On Self Test of the BIOS
12:17<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Oh, I see. Thanks.
12:17<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Yes, that is probably just some kind of nominal check.
12:17<N1ghtCrawler>Whats the command to reconfigure the "Packet contest/survey" Or whats it's called
12:18<blubberdiblub>N1ghtCrawler: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest
12:18<faheem___>ip is preferred over ifconfig, then?
12:18<N1ghtCrawler>blubberdiblub: Thanks
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12:20<blubberdiblub>faheem___: well, i prefer it ... it looks much cleaner and has quite some functionality. i guess its output is even more easily parsable by scripts and somesuch
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12:22<faheem___>blubberdiblub: Is the output a strict superset of ifconfig?
12:22<faheem___>In terms of content, I mean?
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12:23<blubberdiblub>faheem___: well, depends on what you have it output ... but it's functionality as a whole is definitely a superset of ifconfig (and, what i like most, of route)
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12:23<dkr>blubberdiblub: well said. :)
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12:27<Mario>hi, i have a problem with debian etch: i have created a xen virtual machine using xen-tools, after xen-create-image completed i login to the new system with xen console. i want to localize the installation in italian, so i tried to use debian task. with aptitude i select the task italian environment but there is xserver as a dependency. how can i localize the system without install x?
12:27<Mario>sorry for my poor english
12:27<Maulkin>Mario: your english is fine :)
12:28<Maulkin>Mario: in the instance, you need to set the locale
12:28<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
12:28<Mario>oh, thanks
12:28<Mario>but, let my do one more question
12:28<Mario>i like the idea of debian task
12:29<Maulkin>In fact, if you hadn't had apologies for your English, I would have assumed you were English :)
12:29<Mario>is there a way to install a task with aptitude from command line?
12:29<Mario>oh thank you
12:29<jramirez696>i need redirect traffic.. with IPTABLES.. port 80.... to port 3128... any idea?
12:29<Maulkin>There sure is. (I think it's) aptitude install ~tsomething
12:29<Mario>as example: something like "aptitude installtask taskname"?
12:30<Maulkin>jramirez696: yes. Try googlling 'iptables port forward'
12:31<stew>jramirez696: for squid? you might google, for "squid captive iptables"
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12:32<jramirez696>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport
12:32<jramirez696>80 -j DNAT --to-destination
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12:34<blubberdiblub>jramirez696: you may also like to enable your kernel for transparent proxying ... otherwise there might be problems, occasionally
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12:39<suntio_jr>can someone help me with getting network between this xp and debian machines?
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12:39<stew>suntio_jr: yeah, but you'll have to ask a more specific question
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12:40<suntio_jr>i just need local area network between these machines so i can connect to debian machine with putty
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12:41<suntio_jr>ssh is installed in debian...dont know if its workin cause i cannot test it because local area network doesn´t work
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12:42<suntio_jr>with ifconfig command it says there is eth0 and lo??
12:42<suntio_jr>i have two network cards on debian machine so should there be eth0 and eth1 ?
12:43<stew>suntio_jr: do more show up with "/sbin/ifconfig -a"?
12:44<suntio_jr>done...there is still one more sit0 ? what is that sit0 and lo ?
12:44<stew>sit0 is for ipv6 compatability, you can ignore it
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12:44<stew>suntio_jr: if there is no second card it likely means that you need to load a module for that card. do you know what kind of card it is?
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12:45<suntio_jr>no i just know that is 10/100 ethernet card
12:46<suntio_jr>wait...i remove it and check
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12:49<stew>suntio_jr: no need, "lspci | grep Ether" should tell you
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12:51<suntio_jr>i allready removed it :D it says 3000RCM 10/100Mbps LAN Card in bottom of the card
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12:52<horus>schönen guten abend
12:53<horus>zufällig jemand da der sich mit citadel auskennt???
12:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:56<suntio_jr>stew...i think lan card was not installed properly, i removed it and put back and started debian and now it shows eth0 and eth1
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12:57<suntio_jr>so how do i put debian to share internet eth0 with lan eth1 ?
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13:02<stew>suntio_jr: install ipmasq
13:02<sugarmice>Hi - anyone had problems with the X server on etch not responding to keyboard events ? If I strace the X server, I can see that the keypresses are causing activity within the server, but nothing seems to get as far as the client. If I log in via ssh, and restart gdm, X works fine on its second invocation.
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13:04<sugarmice>It is possible, I suppose that the problem is one of input focus, rather than the keyboard itself per se, but it's hard to tell
13:04<dkr>sugarmice: what is kb device in xorg.conf?
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13:05<sugarmice>Driver "kbd", Option "CoreKeyboard", Option "XkbRules" "xorg", Option "XkbModel" "pc104", Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
13:06<sugarmice>Obviously not literally like that, but that's the content of the InputDevice stanza
13:06<dkr>nod, only difference I have is us instead of gb
13:06<dkr>usb kb?
13:07<sugarmice>I use this xorg.conf on several types of machine, and sometimes it works (Such as on my HP Deskpro dc7700) but sometimes it doesn't (a different model of Deskpro dc7x00, or in a VMware virtual machine on my Macintosh)
13:07<sugarmice>On the deskpros, we've seen the same behaviour with both ps/2 and USB keyboards. Currently I'm using USB.
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13:10<sugarmice>I'm just trying a different graphical login manager to see if that's the cause
13:11<tilda140>hey everyone
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13:11<[gloom]>hi there
13:12<sugarmice>Interestingly, xdm works fine. Looks like this may be a gdm-specific issue
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13:12<sugarmice>Or rather gnome libraries - in some cases I've seen the keyboard lockup happen some time after login
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13:14<tilda140>Sometimes when I lock my workstation and come back, it's just a white screen and I have to restart X.
13:14<tilda140>Any thoughts?
13:15<suntio>how to configure eth1 to use ip address i choose and share eth0 internet connection?
13:15<petemc>suntio: as stew suggested already, the ipmasq package
13:15<suntio>i think i was offline so what´s the ipmasq package?
13:16<petemc>apt-cache show ipmasq
13:16<petemc>and look in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq after you install it
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13:16<sugarmice>tilda140: Are you using fancy xscreensaver modules? Especially OpenGL ones? I've frequently known the OpenGL modules to kill the X server in the past
13:17<SpeedyG>xscreensaver killed my entire box a few times allready
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13:19<suntio>petemc and next?
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13:20<suntio>20:16… petemc: and look in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq after you install it
13:20<suntio>done that now
13:20<petemc>if you've read its documentation, why are you unclear on what to do?
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13:22<suntio>as i said earlier, im am total newbie on linux so thos docs dont say a thing to me
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13:23<petemc>suntio: well, if the documentation cant explain how to use, im sure i cant either
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13:23<petemc>suntio: but really, you should get asked a few questions when you install it, which is often enough for it to work
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13:32|-|oom_killer Your nick is now mikegrb
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13:37<suntio>now internet doesn´t work even in debian machine after i installed ipmasq
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13:40<kop>Does apt care if the files in /var/cache/apt/ are deleted? Are there any (non-obvious) implications? I don't want to back up /var/cache/apt/ and am wondering if there are any implications upon restore.
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13:40<stew>kop: you should always be able to safely delete any files anywhere in /var/cache, just don't delete any directories
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13:42<kop>stew: Thanks. I figured, but didn't want apt to complain if the file didn't exist (instaed of being empty or something.) I assume deleting sub-directories of /var/cache/apt/ is ok.
13:42<stew>kop: no, deleting directories is not okay
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13:43<kop>stew: Ok. That makes backup ugly. I have to explicitly back up each directory, but not the files. Which means my backup needs to know the directory structure. Icky.
13:43<weasel>kop: apt-get clean
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13:44<kop>weasel : Yah. But doing that before each backup seems a bit gross. I just want it gone from the backup, not the system itself.
13:44<weasel>then exclude it and remember to create the dirs should you ever have to restore stuff
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13:44<tilda140>Sugarmice, I might be using an OpenGL screensaver. it's really simple though.
13:44<weasel>it's only cache and cache/partial anyway
13:44<tilda140>When I restart X, I get a brief flash and I can see all my stuff running in the background.
13:45<kop>weasel : I think I'll just get more backup storage. If I have to restore stuff there's going to be enough chaos I don't need to make extra trouble for myself.
13:46<kop>weasel : (And if I account for the structure in the backup process no doubt the directory structure will change and I'll eventually get burned.
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13:47<weasel>kop: I always exclude var/log, var/cache/apt, and var/run among others
13:47<weasel>it's really no big deal
13:47<kop>tilda140 : When you restart X, the screen goes back to the command line for a moment. Is that what you're talking about?
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13:47<weasel>a few dirs might have to be recreated but hey, so be it
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13:48<kop>weasel : If I need to restore, I need to get things up quick and don't want the trouble. Everybody's different I guess.
13:48<tilda140>kop, when I do ctrl-alt-backspace, it sort of flashes and I can see the window (outlines) for a split second
13:48<tilda140>then it goes black, and X restarts
13:49<tilda140>but yeah, goes back to the cli for a bit.
13:50<kop>tilda140 : Uh. Ok. (I'm not paying attention. Is there a question?)
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13:50<kop>weasel : I want the logs in the backups. Logs are important....
13:50<weasel>logs go to the loghost
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13:51<donny>can anyone recommend a music player in Etch that has an oscilloscope? preferably a lightweight one?
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13:52<kop>weasel : True.
13:53<dkr>donny: xmms
13:53<mike>Hello! I have a question. How to install debian etch on flash with X server and gnome or KDE? Can you recommed an instruction?
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13:54<donny>dkr: oh, right... thanks...
13:54[~]donny feels retarded
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13:55<kop>mike : The installer does not care, so long as it sees the usb drive. The easy thing would be to just try the installer. See the installation manual at (You might be able to search it to see what image to use to see the usb stick, but trying it seems simplest.)
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13:56<mike>please, give me direct link if possible
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13:57<kop>mike: There's a link on the debian home page.
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13:58<mike>thank you
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14:02<donny>does xmms support CDs?
14:02<stew>donny: yes
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14:02<donny>this open dialog takes forever to show up... *wonders why*
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14:04<cahoot>looking at wrong device?
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14:05<Mauna_Loa>hi ppl
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14:05<donny>cahoot: i meant just for the open dialog to *appear*
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14:05<kop>stew: (Upon reading the FHS for /var/cache/ I see an implication that sub-directories can be deleted, but the doc makes no specific reference to directories -- just files and "data". So, I see how it'd be possible to intepret the spec that sub-directories must be preserved.)
14:05<donny>anyhow, it isn't obvious to me how to play a CD. i tried directing the open dialog to my /dev/cdrom but that didn't seem to have any effect
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14:06<stew>kop: yes, i know. i have written several emails about this specifically, trying to get that clarified in the FHS and haven't been able to
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14:06<kop>stew: Anything I can do?
14:07<tilda140>Hey Kop, sorry about that I was AFK, too.
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14:08<tilda140>My question was how to alieve that from happening, when I do CTRL-ALT-L to lock my workstation it puts up this screensaver with images of the solar system and stuff.
14:08<tilda140>Sometimes when I come back, it's just a white screen.
14:08<tilda140>So you think it might have something to do with OpenGL?
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14:08<stew>kop: what do you mean?
14:09<Mauna_Loa>HI. I'm running xchat and I'm experimenting some problems with dcc send. Can I send a file to someone, in order to test if dcc send is finally working?
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14:09<kop>stew: I could write the list too and bitch, perhaps with patch? Or is it not worth it?
14:09<kop>stew: (The FHS list.)
14:09<Mauna_Loa>who let's me try to send a txt or odt file?
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14:11<stew>kop: feel free
14:12<Mauna_Loa>stew: can I try to send the odt file to you?
14:12<blubberdiblub>Mauna_Loa: sounds more networking related than client related
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14:14<Mauna_Loa>blubberdiblub: ok, cand I make the experience with you? (as a matter of fact it's probably client related, cause I think I can send the files to someone is using xchat, but not to someone using mirc
14:14<stew>Mauna_Loa: not me. perhaps try #xchat on
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14:14<aricz>Mauna_Loa : just send
14:15<fxiny>mirc ? hahaha send a nasty file to any mirc user :P
14:15<Mauna_Loa>stew: I can't use cause I'm also trying to verify if tor works
14:15<Mauna_Loa>aricz: thanks
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14:16<fxiny>oh i've seen you are torified , that happened to me last week on oftc
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14:16<aricz>connection established.. but no daaaata sent..
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14:17<aricz>Mauna_Loa : ok, that was all fine.. slow.. but, it did work hehe
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14:17<Mauna_Loa>fxiny: yes, but I think there is a compatibility problem between xchat and mirc, probably because mirc makes extensive use of passive send
14:17<donny>finally got the CD to play
14:17<aricz>52 Bytes in 46.99s .. :]
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14:18<Mauna_Loa>aricz: it didn't worked
14:18<donny>in case anyone is thinking about buying MIA's new album, i don't recommend it, the mastering quality is awful, and you'll think your headphones or amplifier are broken
14:18<aricz>Mauna_Loa : something's wrong at your side then .. :\
14:19<fxiny>Mauna_Loa: i mean : you get a tor tuxedo for free just by connecting to oftc like happened to me or you are on a real tor ?
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14:20<Mauna_Loa>fxiny: I'm on real tor
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14:21<aricz>you can't recieve dcc either?
14:22<Mauna_Loa>aricz: no I can't
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14:22<Mauna_Loa>aricz: perhaps it's only a tor issue. I'm gonna reconnect without tor and repeat the test
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14:23<tilda140>are you sure your amp and head phones just don't suck?
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14:26<tilda140>not that I'm not considering the possibility that MIA's album sucks
14:26<tilda140>some of their tracks sound pots and pans banging against each other
14:27<Mauna_Loa>aricz: now I'm only using tor for dcc get (not for irc server). let me try now the dcc send with this new configuration
14:28<Mauna_Loa>aricz: it passed! now let me see dcc send
14:28<aricz>about 0,01KB/s
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14:28<aricz>no, in fact, 0,1KB/s :]
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14:29<Mauna_Loa>aricz: it's slow because I'm using tor for dcc get. let me abor it and try dcc send (this time is me offering the file)
14:30<aricz>goody goody
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14:31<Mauna_Loa>aricz: it also passed!
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14:34<Mauna_Loa>aricz: so it's a tor issue... perhaps because when using tor for both irc server connection and dcc transfers, the proxy used for irc connection is differente then the proxy used for dcc connections (diferrent IPs)
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14:36<suntio_jr>so can someone help me with debian-windows lan ?
14:36<tilda140>what's the problem?
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14:38<suntio_jr>i installed ipmasq and i dont know how to configure it
14:39<suntio_jr>i need a share the internet connection from my debian machine to this windows xp machine
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14:40<tilda140>hm.. I've never used ipmasq. maybe someone else has an idea
14:40<tilda140>are you using a LAN?
14:40<suntio_jr>i think i remove that ipmasq cause its messing up my debian
14:40<suntio_jr>dont to check that
14:40<tilda140>I don't see why you can't just use DCHP with your router and have them automatically assign the IP address
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14:41<tilda140>do you have a router?
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14:41<stew>suntio_jr: how is ipmasq messing up your debian?
14:42<suntio_jr>its putting some text all the time to monitor
14:42<N1ghtCrawler>how do I o format a volume with JFS?
14:42<stew>suntio_jr: what text?
14:42<N1ghtCrawler>mkfs.jfs: command not found
14:42<suntio_jr>don´t really know what´s it doin´g
14:42<suntio_jr>something about ip adrresse and all kind of text
14:42<stew>N1ghtCrawler: /msg dpkg apt-file ; use apt-file to search for mkfs.jfs
14:43<stew>suntio_jr: what text gets printed to the screen?
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14:43<suntio_jr>too lazy to write all the text in here...there´s so much text coming
14:43<suntio_jr>i think because i didn´t configure it at all
14:44<suntio_jr>because i didn´t know how
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14:44<stew>suntio_jr: dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq
14:44<suntio>what will that command do?
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14:44<stew>suntio: configure ipmasq
14:44<stew>suntio: no
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14:45<suntio>well i installed ipmasq and it didn´t say anything about congiguration
14:45<suntio>do i need to have lan cables installed right when i reconfigure ipmasq?
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14:46<panagos>i'm running amd64. how can i set up the environment so that i can run a program that will think it is in an x86 environment?
14:47<suntio>well stew i try i have to do something else to get LAN work between debian and windows xp
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14:49<stew>suntio: if all you want is lan between debian and windows xp, you don't need to do that. you just need to assign ip addresses. you need ipmasq if you need your linux box to share its internet connection with windows
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14:52<tilda140>he wants a LAN?
14:52<tilda140>router + DHCP
14:52<tilda140>done and done.
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14:53<petemc>debian is a perfectly funtional router, tho if you're not prepared to do any reading its not the ideal solution
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14:54<tilda140>is he trying to use his debian as a router?
14:54<petemc>it seems that way
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14:56<tilda140>I'm in Debian heaven presently.
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14:56<tilda140>2 Deb workstations at my job, then 1 at home.
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15:01<suntio>stew didn´t work...internet doesn´t work even in debian after installing ipmasq
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15:03<tilda140>do you have a router?
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15:03<suntio>i have zyxel 1-port ADSL modem
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15:05<mzilikazi>is there a better way of switching between xorg.confs than using mv & CTRL+ALT+BKSPC? one conf for dual head and one for single
15:05<petemc>suntio: configure eth1 with , configure the xp machine with gateway
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15:06<suntio>how to configure eth1 in debian?
15:06<petemc> /etc/network/interfaces
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15:08<suntio>and what to to in /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:08<suntio>*to do*
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15:08<petemc>suntio: you need to get into the habit of at least attempting to figure stuff out for yourself
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15:09<suntio>petemc well i have figured my ass off for whole day so newbie so i would like to get even 1 thing to work tonight
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15:11<stew>suntio: "man interfaces" will explain how the interfaces file works and there is an example in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
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15:12<brunoskrebs>I am trying to mount a folder from my debian server in my ubuntu
15:12<brunoskrebs>but I can only access as anonymous
15:12<brunoskrebs>how do I do to login to samba as root?
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15:13<pa>hat mal einer von euch zeit für ein paar fragen zu exim und courier?
15:14<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:14<pa>oups ;)
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15:15<suntio>stew: is this what i have to write in interfaces? : iface eth1 inet static address netmask ???
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15:19<adams> can control cpu fans in debian 4 on my laptop(amd x2)?
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15:20<stew>suntio: that is valid, as long as address and netmask are on new lines. you probably want a gateway entry as well
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15:20<suntio>gateway entry?
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15:21<suntio>gateway ??
15:21<suntio>or gateway ?
15:21<petemc>i dont think you want a gateway on that interface
15:21<JasonS>no that would be your ip address, and 255.0 is your subnet mask
15:22<suntio>so what is gateway?
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15:22<petemc>gateway is the address used to get out of your network, but that will be handled by eth0 connected to your modem
15:22<JasonS>suntio: i think you need to do some reading on basic tcp/ip but gateway is just that your way out of your network
15:22<adams>too many members are here and you cant answer me?! can i control cpu fans?
15:22<stew>suntio: is eth1 the interface that you are going to connect to the adsl modem?
15:23<mike>adams, Laptop?
15:23<suntio>no....eth0 is that interface
15:23<stew>suntio: oh, then no you don't need a gateway
15:23<adams>yes amd x2 laptop
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15:23<stew>suntio: well eth0 needs to have a gateway assigned, but not eth1
15:23<suntio>allow-hotplug eth1
15:23<suntio>iface eth1 inet static
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15:24<stew>!tell suntio about paste
15:24<suntio>so that´s what my interface looks like
15:24<suntio>is it okay?
15:25<mike>adams, Fans should not be on continuous,check cpu usage with gkrellm or top in konsole
15:25<adams>with no cpu usage fans always works
15:26<stew>suntio: the small part that we saw was fine
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15:26<stew>suntio: you should also have a section for lo and eth0
15:26<petemc>suntio: configure the xp box, then try to ping from one to the other
15:26<suntio>stew yes i have
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15:26<mike>adams, What is your current cpu usage ''% "?
15:27<mike>debian 4.0?
15:27<adams>but fans works in full speed! there any software....yes..debian 4.0
15:28<adams>lm_sensors could not help me!
15:29<mike>adams, I have had no problems on many laptops "installs" but I install Lenny or sidux for the later kernel
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15:30<adams>ok..thank mike.....i use later
15:30<stew>adams: its possible that they are configured via acpi. try "modprobe fan" then see what you have in /proc/acpi/fan
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15:31<adams>modprobefan....there is not this command
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15:33<adams>thank you stew........bye
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15:34<brunoskrebs>nobody to help me?
15:34<brunoskrebs>with this samba issue
15:34<brunoskrebs>I search search search
15:34<brunoskrebs>and no answer
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15:34<brunoskrebs>logging only like anonymous, which means I cant write in the folder
15:35<suntio_jr>ok i can ping from debian to windows and from windows to debian but internet didn´t work in windows or debian
15:35<brunoskrebs>and I need to read and write there
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15:35<suntio_jr>should i install that ipmasq now when i have network interfaces working?
15:36<stew>suntio_jr: you should get debian on the internet first
15:36<stew>suntio_jr: what is the ip address of eth0?
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15:37<suntio_jr>it says
15:37<suntio_jr>i have unplugged the lan cables now cuz net was not working so i have now only this windows machine connected to modem
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15:41<stew>suntio_jr: in that case you want to change the subnet your are using for eth1, you don't want to have eth0 and eth1 both on the same subnet
15:41<suntio_jr>so what should i put on the eth1 subnet?
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15:42<suntio_jr>eth0 has this
15:42<stew>suntio_jr: how about really anything except is fine
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15:43<suntio_jr>should i put on my windows setting too that ?
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15:45<stew>suntio_jr: windows will have to be on with some other ip address, and with as the default gateway
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15:47<suntio> now debian is online
15:48<K4k-laptop>Does anyone know of an app I can get that will do almost like a slide show for my desktop background? I would like to make a directory of all the pictures I like and have it cycle through them at an interval.
15:49<suntio>but now i cant even ping my windows machine
15:49<stew>suntio: what does "ifconfig eth1" say your ip address is?
15:50<mike>K4k-laptop, gnome has that option
15:50<petemc>stew: wouldnt xp want as the gateway?
15:50<mike>K4k-laptop, You have kde?
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15:50<stew>petemc: oh, yeah
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15:50<K4k-laptop>mike, no I have gnome, I will look into it, thank you
15:51<K4k-laptop>mike, where is the option to have it cycle?
15:51<stew>suntio: windows should have as the gateway, not
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15:51<ServerSide>hi Storm` :)
15:51<mike>K4k-laptop, screensaver,,,i am going from memory as i am in kde\
15:52<suntio>so what should i put windows ip address if gateway is
15:52<K4k-laptop>mike: I am not talking about screen saver, but correct concept, I want the desktop background to do that
15:52<Storm`>hey ServerSide
15:52<mike>K4k-laptop, But you just point it to the folder you want
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15:52<mike>K4k-laptop, oh sorry
15:53<suntio>and subnet mask ?
15:53<K4k-laptop>it's fine, I also would like to learn how to change the directory for my screen saver slide show...I don't see an option, but I'm looking now
15:53<mike>K4k-laptop, cycle wallpaper hmm
15:53<petemc>suntio: yes
15:54<Storm`>need some help on installing ati drivers on debian ? :)
15:54<suntio>it still doesnt ping either way
15:54<stew>suntio: what is the ip address of eth1?
15:54<petemc>suntio: unplug the network cable on eth1, plug it back in, then run dmesg
15:55<petemc>you want that to be
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15:56<suntio> but was the gateway?
15:56<petemc>yes,debian is the gateway for the xp box
15:56<suntio>ok..ill try
15:56<suntio>so i just chance that to interfaces?
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15:58<nootoyahora>-the-reason and now, making /away again it doe snot turn it not away... waht's going on?
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15:58<nootoyahora>I'm sorry, not here
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15:59<K4k-laptop>is there any reason why a ubuntu source won't work on a debian machine?
15:59<K4k-laptop>I'm just asking because I found this repo for this program I want, but it's only the ubuntu one
15:59<K4k-laptop>nevermind, repo has an etch version :D
16:00<suntio>i changed it to but ifconfig eth1 still says
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16:00<drakode>que version de gnome usa el gutsy?
16:00<petemc>suntio: ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1
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16:01<suntio> now ping works again
16:01<K4k-laptop>drakode: 2.20
16:02<mu-tiger>hey thanks for your help, you guys
16:02<suntio>but how to get the internet work with windows machine now
16:02<mu-tiger>i think i'm set for now
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16:02<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq
16:03<petemc>think about what it asks you
16:03<suntio>i have to install it before cuz i removed it earlier
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16:07<K4k-laptop>Can someone please help, I have python version 2.4 and 2.5 installed, but when I go to install this program I want, it says that I need 2.5 and I only have 2.4.4-2 installed
16:07<suntio>ok so ipmasq is installed and configured
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16:07<suntio>but windows is not online
16:08<petemc>you'll want to tell xp your isps dns server addresses
16:08<petemc>or your modem, if it does dns
16:08<K4k-laptop>is there a way to bypass the dependancy check or something?
16:08<K4k-laptop>or do I need to get rid of 2.4.4-2
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16:09<suntio>petemc: but that modem is connected to debian machine
16:09<petemc>suntio: does ping work on the xp box?
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16:09<petemc>suntio: the debian machine should now be forwarding packets for the xp machine
16:09<suntio>yes it does
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16:09<ServerSide>Storm`: you got any errors?
16:09<petemc>great, then you just need to tell xp what dns server to use, and you're done
16:10<ServerSide>get a how-to for begin
16:10<suntio>what is that dns server?'
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16:10<Storm`>yea those ati drivers.. asked already but no answers...
16:10<petemc>suntio: cat /etc/resolv.conf on the debian box
16:10<stew>K4k-laptop: can you show us the output of " apt-cache policy python2.5 " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
16:11<K4k-laptop>yes, I can do that, one moment
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16:11<suntio>petemc: it says
16:11<suntio>where should i put that?
16:12<frood>got this server which when going to the webssite, 200's on an external interface but 302's on internal . any ideas where i should start to look to find out why?
16:12<frood>debian sarge/apache
16:12<petemc>suntio: tell xp to use that as the dns server
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16:13<suntio_jr>petemc windows is online now
16:13<suntio_jr>I am so thankful to you guys for helping a newbie like me
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16:14<petemc>suntio_jr: take some time to think about what you did, its not that hard to figure out
16:14<stew>K4k-laptop: ok, that is fine and says that 2.5 is installed, can you show us the command you are running and the output that syas you need to install 2.5?
16:15<suntio>now i have only one problem for this day :D how can i open ports on debian so my windows machine's utorrent can use that port?
16:15<K4k-laptop>stew: sudo apt-get install webilder webilder-gnome
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16:20<K4k-laptop>stew: I'm stepping out of the office for a moment to find some food, /msg k4k-laptop with anything further you wish for me to give you
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16:27<stew>!+info webilder
16:27<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
16:27<dpkg>Package 'webilder' does not exist.
16:28<stew>K4k-laptop: what is webilder ? its not a debian pacakge? can you show me the output of "sudo apt-get install webilder webilder-gnome" ?
16:29<K4k-laptop>stew: it's not in the normal debian repos, you have to add a third party one to the sources.list, let me get you the output of apt-get install
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16:30<stew>K4k-laptop: oh, its depending on a 'python' package >= 2.5, not a python2.5 package. debian does not yet have a python package >= 2.5
16:31<stew>K4k-laptop: so this package should probably be rebuilt for correct dependencies
16:31<stew>K4k-laptop: is this free software?
16:31<K4k-laptop>I'm pretty sure
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16:32<K4k-laptop>stew: those instructions are for ubuntu, but I looked on the repo and there is a version for etch
16:32<K4k-laptop>but I thought that >= denoted that it could be greater or equal, which it is equal to 2.5 so it shouldn't be a problem
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16:33<stew>!info python unstable
16:33<dpkg>python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB
16:33<stew>K4k-laptop: yes but debian's lateste python pacakge is only 2.4.4-6 not 2.5
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16:33<K4k-laptop>I have 2.5 installed though...
16:34<K4k-laptop>I'm missing something here...I thought that the dependancy had to be installed, so if 2.5 is installed what's the problem?
16:34<K4k-laptop>!info python2.5
16:34<dpkg>python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 3012 kB, Installed size: 10304 kB
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16:35<streuner_>hm, tricky, i just thought the same...
16:35<stew>you have python2.5 installed, which is a different package than python
16:35<stew>K4k-laptop: ^
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16:36<stew>K4k-laptop: however, whatever this thing needs of python >= 2.5 could probably be satisfied by the python2.5 package as long as any scripts actually needing python2.5 have #!/usr/bin/python2.5 not /usr/bin/python
16:36<stew>K4k-laptop: which means you might be able to just recompile the packages with a fixed Depends: line
16:36<K4k-laptop>ok, let me look into that, thank you
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16:41<K4k-laptop>stew: I got the source and installed it using the .py file that it came with, however, now I think I'm missing the other file it needs, thanks for the help I think I can figure this out
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16:41<stew>K4k-laptop: what is the first line of the .py? #!/usr/bin/python? or #!/usr/bin/python2.5 ?
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16:42<K4k-laptop>let me check, I didn't take a look
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16:42<K4k-laptop>stew: python
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16:42<K4k-laptop>it's #!/usr/bin/env python
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16:46<stew>K4k-laptop: it should probably be #!/usr/bin/python2.5
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16:47<K4k-laptop>Ok, I got it, I went and manually downloaded the .deb files from the website and got the last version before the lastest one and installed that, I will run apt-get update to get the current one
16:48<Takesci>c'è qualche italiano sul canale ?
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16:48<K4k-laptop>Takesci: /join #debian-it (I think)
16:48<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
16:49<Takesci>ok tank
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16:53<Supaplex>aptitude: it
16:53<aptitude>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
16:53<Supaplex>Takesci: look at aptitude =)
16:54<witte>Supaplex: dpkg is back ;)
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16:54<dpkg>Test Failed.
16:55<ServerSide>does anyone know how to get sounds on debian with a Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) ?
16:57<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
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16:59<witte>ServerSide: that is the hda-intel module if i am correct, and i have seen some issues of that driver passing by...
16:59<witte>ServerSide: which kernel do you have? it might be worthwhile to test a newer one
16:59<ServerSide>[debian] [debian lenny/sid 32bit] [Kernel: Linux 2.6.23-1-686 i686] [Up: 1h 29min 15.06s] [Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz] [Total RAM: 2026MB] [NVIDIA Corporation GeForce 8400M GS]
16:59<ServerSide>alsa is right configurated
17:00<witte>ServerSide: ok, the kernel is new, alsa is new, and I'm out of ideas :-)
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17:00<K4k-laptop>stew: this is interesting, I got the previous version for this, however, when I download the photos from flickr, it says they are unavailable...
17:03<Supaplex>any suggestions for resolving ?
17:03<K4k-laptop>o, haha, i figured it out, didn't have it setup properly
17:04<chealer>ServerSide: since which version does ALSA support your card?
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17:04<ServerSide>how can I check if alsa support my card? :x
17:04<dpkg>the <pciid ...> factoid will help you locate the kernel module for many (not all) devices supported, similar to <hcl>. Run lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid ...> where ... is *one* line from the lspci output. Some unlisted devices are detected in various alternate ways.
17:06<Supaplex>ServerSide: run lspci -nn, paste !pciid lll intel audio blah [vvvv:dddd] here.
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17:06<ServerSide>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)
17:07<Supaplex>!pciid Controller [8086:284b] (rev
17:07<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 8086:284b | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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17:07<Supaplex>alias pci:v00008086d0000284Bsv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_hda_intel
17:07<ServerSide>alias pci:v00008086d0000284Bsv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_hda_intel
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17:07<Supaplex>yup, lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel
17:08<Supaplex>modprobe snd_hda_intel
17:09<witte>ServerSide: you mean when you lsmod |grep snd_hda_intel, you still get nothing?
17:09<Supaplex>try lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel now. modprobe doesn't usually print anything (only on warn/errors)
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17:09<ServerSide>4 lines, here or pastebin?
17:10<Supaplex>neither. now try sound
17:10<JasonS>ServerSide: pastebin is safer
17:10<witte>ServerSide: don't forget to unmute
17:10<Supaplex>if you want it perm, echo snd_hda_intel >> /etc/modules
17:10<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
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17:10<witte>ServerSide: open a mixer (aumix/kmix/...)
17:10<ServerSide>Supaplex: don't work
17:10<ServerSide>i mean the sounds
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17:11<Supaplex>ok, what about the mixer? Are your speakers plugged into the correct jack?
17:11<witte>ServerSide: do you get an error, or just no sound?
17:11<chealer>ServerSide: apparently there's a bug in ALSA 1.0.14 (Linux 2.6.23) with ICH8 .
17:11<ServerSide>doh, a bug?
17:11<ServerSide>witte: no sound
17:12<witte>ServerSide: did you try opening a mixer?
17:12<chealer>ServerSide: apparently. you could try building ALSA 1.0.15 modules.
17:12<witte>ServerSide: and the sound was not muted?
17:12<ServerSide>all is full ON & 100%
17:12<witte>ServerSide: ok, that is ok
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17:13<ServerSide>chealer: building alsa modules?
17:14<chealer>ServerSide: yes. they would replace the stock 1.0.14.
17:14<ServerSide>mhh... how? :s
17:14<Supaplex>ahh yes. screw forcedeth, I'm installing an e100 card.
17:15<Supaplex>!lart hp+asus+nvidia
17:15[~]dpkg whips out a sword and chops hp+asus+nvidia in half
17:15<chealer>ServerSide: install alsa with module-assistant
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17:17<HD_> - new optical illusion - never seen before
17:17<HD_> - new optical illusion - never seen before
17:17<HD_> - new optical illusion - never seen before
17:17<HD_> - new optical illusion - never seen before
17:17<HD_> - new optical illusion - never seen before
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17:17[~]Supaplex cheers on floodserv
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17:18<ServerSide>chealer: i did update, what now?
17:19<chealer>ServerSide: what does $ cat /proc/asound/version; output?
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17:19<chealer>ServerSide: you probably need to reload the drivers.
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17:27<Supaplex>is there anyway to rebuild the forcedeth module alone, with extra debugging info or something? c/o #455195
17:28<azeem>Supaplex: try to export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip
17:28<azeem>before building
17:28<Supaplex>do I have to rebuild the entire kernel package?
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17:31<Supaplex>with 10K bogomips at hand, maybe I'll just recompile it. *shrug*
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17:57<Supaplex>!wave to anthony
17:57[~]dpkg waves at to anthony
17:57<anthony>español ps
17:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:58<jthomas>What do I need for apache2 to listen on port 443 (SSL)
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17:59<jthomas>I have the mods-available linked into mods-enabled
17:59<jthomas>and I have the <VirtualHost> setup
17:59<jthomas>but netstat -an isn't returning any 443 results
18:00<Supaplex>anything in the server logs?
18:01<suntio>how do i open a port from my debian machine
18:01<suntio>i need to open port for utorrent in this windows machine
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18:02<dpkg>[dnat] Destination NAT (ask me about NAT) or
18:02<Supaplex>suntio: see dpkg's notes
18:02<jthomas>Supaplex: "[notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch1 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured -- resuming normal operations"
18:02<suntio>Supaplex how to do that?
18:02<jthomas>a good nuymber of those
18:02<jthomas>suntio: click on the link above
18:02<Supaplex>jthomas: did you compile apache on your own? or is it stock debian packages?
18:03<jthomas>stock debain AFAIK; its a clients machine
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18:03<jthomas>Apache/2.2.3 (Debian)
18:03<dpkg>a2enmod enables or disables an apache2 module
18:03<Supaplex>do you have all the right modules enabled?
18:03<jthomas>ssl.load and ssl.conf... are there others?
18:04<Supaplex>I haven't toyed with ssl on apache2 as of yet.
18:04<Supaplex>I have a sarge box that ... well, needs upgrading if that datacenter gets their $*@ in gear.
18:04<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
18:04<____p>Hi people.. just a question, what package (.jar) should I include in the CLASSPATH, Im confused cuz there is a direectory /usr/share/java with lot of .jar files.. I think is probably the same .jar in $JAVA_HOME/lib and... $CATALINA_HOME/common/lib..
18:05<jthomas>a2enmod ssl: This module is already enabled!
18:05<____p>somebody know what is /usr/share/java directory for?
18:05<Supaplex>so mod-ssl. that's usually favorable. iirc, there are directives to use ssl for a vhost
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18:06<suntio>Supaplex that link was no good for total newbie :(
18:06<Supaplex>I hope you're not afraid of the command line. *sigh*
18:07<jthomas>yeah you have to give it <VirtualHost> and NameVirtualHost and also tell it where to look for the SSL cert and key. All of this is correct AFAIK.
18:07<jthomas>I've restarted Apache2 a dozen times now
18:07<Supaplex>suntio: what port would you like? And what ip will it go back to?
18:08<jthomas>suntio: you want to open a port, how, for a Windows box? open a port to the Win box? open a port so that the Win box can go through the Debian and to the WWW? other?
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18:08<suntio>so the win box can go trough debian to the www
18:08<Supaplex>jthomas: he said something about a torrent client. So I assume it's world -> debian -> windows
18:08<suntio>so i can use utorrent in this windows box
18:09<jthomas>Suntio why not use the debian box for it?
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18:09<jthomas>ktorrent is pretty good; i think utorent can run in wine
18:09<suntio>for utorrent?
18:09<jthomas>for torrent software.
18:09<suntio>i have that debian box only for server use
18:09<suntio>not graphic interface etc
18:10<jthomas>and a firewall apparently ;)
18:10<suntio>yep :D
18:10<suntio>i have this shitty zyxel modem with nat... i have configured modem so it opens port from www to debian box
18:10<Supaplex>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d <public-debian.ip.ip.ip.ip> -p udp -m udp --dport <UDP-PORT> -j DNAT --to-destination <windows.ip.ip.ip.ip>
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18:11<Supaplex>that forwards a udp port on the public ip back into the window ip
18:11<chealer>dpkg: no, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
18:11<dpkg>okay, chealer
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18:13<jkl>whois Seb
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18:14<suntio>Supaplex didn´t work
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18:15<Supaplex>suntio: so the debian server is your router, and the windows machine has a private ip. and you want connections from the outside world to reach the client on the windows machine. right?
18:16<suntio>windows machine has same ip as the debian box
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18:16<suntio>the public ip i mean
18:17<Supaplex>the windows machine and the debian machine both have the same public ip?
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18:17<Supaplex>that's a conflict.
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18:17<Supaplex>so ipconfig /all on the windows box, and ifconfig -a on the debian box are using an identical ip address?
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18:18<suntio> is debian and is windows
18:19<suntio>i meant that outside ip what you can see from me
18:19<suntio>that´s same on both machines
18:20<Supaplex>in reality it's not, but I get what you mean
18:20<suntio>i have issues with apache and ssh too
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18:20<suntio>but this port problem is most critical cuz utorrent won´t download/seed fast enough cuz port is blocked
18:21<Supaplex>if you run iptables-save | grep NAT show us on
18:21<Supaplex>it would help to know what port, or port range you want windows to claim
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18:22<jthomas>Supaplex: I solved my SSL issue: I needed to put 'SSLEngine on' in the httpd.conf file. Thanks! Time to clock out.
18:22<Supaplex>suntio: line 3 looks good, line 2 isn't likely what you want.
18:23<peter_>to make an activator for application that I run with command "sh name" what should I do ?
18:23<Supaplex>jthomas: glad to hear it :)
18:23<Supaplex>suntio: and does the torrent client only need udp? does it need tcp?
18:23<suntio>Supaplex how to remove it?
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18:24<suntio>im not sure what utorrent needs?
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18:24<suntio>it just says Port used for incoming connections:
18:24<Supaplex>suntio: I usually use iptables-save > myrules.txt ; edit that, then iptables-restore < myrules.txt
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18:26<Supaplex>suntio: if it only says port, then use tcp and udp.
18:26<suntio>so how should i do that?
18:26<Supaplex>eg, -m tcp -p tcp instead of -m udp -p udp
18:27<suntio>is that right now?
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18:29<Supaplex>yes, but delete the first line. I doubt you'll see any counters with iptables -t nat -L -v -n
18:30<suntio>i dont know how to delete sorry for these dumbass guestions but i am total newbie and my english isn´t so good
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18:31<Supaplex>iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -d -p udp -m udp --dport 1666 -j DNAT --to-destination
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18:32<suntio>ok thanks...
18:33<suntio>but utorrent still claims that port is blocked?
18:33<suntio>i have opened a port from my modem´s nat for ip and still not working
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18:35<Supaplex>on the windows system, run netstat and see if it's listening. I don't know what switches are for windows
18:36<suntio>there´s was not port 1666 listet
18:39<Supaplex>what's the torrent client set to listen on?
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18:43<Supaplex>suntio: well if you have to ask me, it's a lost cause
18:45<Supaplex>my mac client was setup for port 16881
18:46<suntio>what about that?
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18:47<Supaplex> still have to know the port you want...
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18:48<suntio>u can configure it from utorrent yourself
18:48<suntio>i have configured 1666
18:48<Supaplex>are you sure windows firewall isn't paying us for a fool?
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18:49<suntio>i dont use windows firewall at all
18:49<Supaplex>if the couters on iptables -t nat -L -v -n are increasing each time you check, that's a sign it should be working.
18:52<suntio>thats what it says
18:52<suntio>and counters are increasing
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18:55<suntio>or not
18:56<suntio>they are increasin on that MASQUERADE part
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18:56<suntio>but not on those DNAT parts
18:57<Supaplex>MASQUERADE is usually better for when your public ip can change frequently
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18:58<suntio>i have dynamic ip so it changes frequently
18:58<Supaplex>don't mix and match them. do all MASQUERADE or all SNAT. DNAT is untested for me that way.
18:59<suntio>so i should configure those ports to masquerade?
18:59<Supaplex>in favor of snat
19:00<Supaplex>dnat might get confused w/o -d
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19:00<Supaplex>and if your public ip changes frequently, that's tricky.
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19:00<suntio>so i cleared the iptables now
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19:06<Supaplex>!port forward
19:06<dpkg>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination, or and use sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to enable it. add that line without the 'sysctl -w' to /etc/sysctl.conf to enable it across reboots
19:07<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
19:08<suntio>i installed ipmasq so i can connect to internet with this windows machine
19:08<suntio>so my debian box "shares" the internet connection to this windows box
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19:13<strefli3>What do you guys recommend for sharing mounts over a lan? I was thinking NFS but both machines get their IPs from dhcp. Does that leave me just to samba?
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19:14<dkr>strefli3: put mac addresses in dhcpd.conf so the nfs servers always assigned the same ip
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19:15<dkr>or update a dns record with the ip they get everytime and use the name instead of th eip address to mount
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19:15<Supaplex>strefli3: eg, mynfsbox:/export ...
19:16<strefli3>So both you guys think nfs is the way to go?
19:18<Supaplex>why degrade yourself to nonunix friendly territory?
19:18[~]Supaplex resizes /usr on the fly +5G while compiling other stuffs. <3 lvm+resize2fs
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19:18<strefli3>For pain and suffering? I am off to the man pages to get this going.
19:19<Supaplex>yes, that's why ;)
19:21<strefli3>Good think I am not a masochist
19:21<Supaplex>why think when we know? :D
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19:22<filo>hey all
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19:32<anthony>algun hispano'
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19:32<nacs>!es ?
19:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:45<real0ne>i have quoition
19:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:45<real0ne>i want to install
19:45<real0ne>on powerbookG4
19:46<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
19:46<streuner_>read that
19:46<real0ne>this is my third rthay
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19:46<real0ne>tree thay
19:46<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
19:46<Supaplex>streuner_: good call :)
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19:46<real0ne>can u help me plz
19:47<streuner_>debian-ppc is a different story
19:47<Supaplex>real0ne: we're not mind readers. but so far we know you want to install debian on a powerbook. did you consult the install guide dpkg suggested?
19:47<stew>real0ne: if you have a question, just ask away
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19:48<streuner_>real0ne: just ask in this channel, not in other at the same time too, please.
19:48<real0ne>u don't want to help me
19:48<Supaplex>what do you want?
19:48<real0ne>i want help
19:48<real0ne>to install debian
19:48<Supaplex>you've got three people here telling you the answers are in the install guide
19:48<real0ne>on powerbooc
19:49<real0ne>i have read all
19:49<Supaplex>yes it's possible, i've done it before, and I know the install guide tells you everything
19:49<Supaplex>ok, so what's the hangup?
19:49<Supaplex>!don't work
19:49<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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19:49<real0ne>i have read all install guide
19:49<Supaplex>be specific
19:49<Supaplex>did you burn a cd?
19:49<Supaplex>did it boot?
19:49<real0ne>not boot
19:49<Supaplex>did it spit some strange error message?
19:50<real0ne>i have download a power pc dvd image
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19:50<real0ne>and i have burn it
19:50<real0ne>but he don't read it
19:50<Supaplex>real0ne: and did you press the C key while booting to tell the mac to boot from cd?
19:50<real0ne>and don't boot
19:50<real0ne>but he don't boot
19:51<Supaplex>you only need cd1. what kind of mac is it? what media? dvd+r? dvd-r? dvdrw? what did you use to burn the disc? does it just skip the disc, or do you get an error message on boot?
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19:51<Supaplex>dvd1 should work, but it's a little more work. netinst is optimal (usually the best choice)
19:52<real0ne>can i use just usb
19:52<real0ne>or 1 cd
19:52<real0ne>to install
19:52<dpkg>hmm... netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
19:52<Supaplex>try that
19:52<real0ne>o iwant one
19:52<real0ne>fot power pc
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19:52<Supaplex>it's one small cd. yes, debian has netinst for multiple platforms
19:52<streuner_>netinstall is one CD
19:53<real0ne>send me link
19:53<real0ne>and i will make copy
19:53<real0ne>into my usb
19:53<Supaplex>look for powerpc
19:53<Supaplex>for usb? that's more complicated
19:53<real0ne>boot with usb
19:54<real0ne>tell me
19:54<real0ne>just one easy method
19:54<Supaplex>usb is hdd install. humm, seriously it's complicated for a skilled user
19:54<Supaplex>I suggest the netinst cd
19:54<Supaplex>usb/hdd install is very difficult without an existing linux system to set it up with
19:55<real0ne>i will donw load
19:55<real0ne>thanks a lot
19:55<real0ne>when i have that
19:55<Supaplex>248M you can also use a cdrw
19:55<real0ne>i will burn it
19:56<real0ne>and boot with holding c
19:56<Supaplex>burn it as an image in disk utility.
19:56<Supaplex>IIRC, but the i-g should cover that
19:56<real0ne>i will born it
19:56<real0ne>with windows
19:56<Supaplex>fair enough
19:56<real0ne>or i musst burn it
19:56<streuner_>that will work too
19:56<real0ne>into leopard
19:57<real0ne>thanks a lot
19:57<real0ne>i will be back
19:57<dpkg>well, timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl.
19:57<real0ne>when i have a nother problem
19:57<Supaplex>the i-g should give you heads up on common gotchas
19:57<real0ne>i have another
19:57<real0ne>what is i-g
19:57<Supaplex>you have another car?
19:57<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
19:57<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
19:58<streuner_>!win Supaplex
19:58<dpkg>Congratulations, Supaplex! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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19:58<streuner_>sorry about that
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19:58<Supaplex>I'm not vain enough to care ;)
19:58<real0ne>tell me
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19:58<real0ne>can i install
19:58<real0ne>on powerbook
19:59<real0ne>anwser me
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19:59<real0ne>and don't
19:59<real0ne>say me
19:59<real0ne>go to #xp
19:59<streuner_>no, we dont care about xp much
19:59<real0ne>can i make
19:59<streuner_>you need to install xp first and Debian then
19:59<real0ne>some body say
19:59<real0ne>i can't
19:59<real0ne>install xp
19:59<stew>real0ne: please stop hitting the enter key so much
19:59<streuner_>sure, its possible
19:59<Supaplex>with that logic I should call Ford and ask them how I reset engine codes on my Volvo
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20:00<streuner_>real0ne: please
20:00<simonrvn>!tell real0ne -about enter
20:00<streuner_>simonrvn: we already told him that
20:00<streuner_>stew: ^^^
20:00<real0ne>i will not more do it
20:01<real0ne>can u tell me
20:01<real0ne>can i install
20:01<Supaplex>no we cannot
20:01[~]streuner_ has no idea about XP at all
20:02<Supaplex>I have 6 computers running debian, and 0 run microsoft anything.
20:02<real0ne>so just
20:02<Supaplex>it's not like we're trying to withhold information, we just don't care about microsoft.
20:02<streuner_>yes, we can help with Debian
20:02<real0ne>that is your Problem
20:02<simonrvn>yeh and still doing it...
20:02<stew>real0ne: stop hitting enter instead of the space bar or in place of puctuation. it is annoying
20:02<real0ne>but u musst help people with all
20:02<Supaplex>if he keeps it up, we have /ignore
20:02<streuner_>real0ne: no
20:03<streuner_>real0ne: we only help with Debian.
20:03<stew>real0ne: only debian questions are appropriate here. if you are looking for help installing windows, you should find a different forum
20:03<Supaplex>technically, we're not obligated to anything. :) but we perfer to help with debian when we feel so inclined. burning us by wanton ignorance won't help
20:04<Supaplex>free software has free support, but we all have our limits :)
20:05<real0ne>if install debian on my power pc i will be happy
20:05<azeem>try it out
20:06<streuner_>that should be possible
20:06<streuner_>but you need to read and learn
20:06<real0ne>ok, i read
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20:09<streuner_>you need to read some docs (ig), if you have a problem, just ask here then
20:09<Supaplex>real0ne: how old is the powerbook?
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20:11<Supaplex>real0ne: did it ship with Leopard? or did you buy that after?
20:12<real0ne>i have leopard
20:12<real0ne>i have make four partition
20:12<Supaplex>but that's doesn't answer the question.
20:13<real0ne>what is
20:13<Supaplex>click on the apple in the top left, go to about the mac, tell me what the processor says
20:13<real0ne>your question
20:13<real0ne>1G(CPU), 750m (Ram)
20:13<Supaplex>I wanted to know if it shipped with leopard. I assume it did, but I'd rather not assume.
20:14<Supaplex>does it say powerpc? intel?
20:14<real0ne>i don't know
20:14<real0ne>how can i know this
20:14<Supaplex>is there a more info button?
20:14<real0ne>i install
20:15<streuner_>thats very important
20:15<Supaplex>yes, but leopard can run on intel and powerpc processors
20:15<streuner_>we need to know what kind of CPU you have
20:15<real0ne>what is very important??
20:15<real0ne>but how
20:16<Supaplex>run system profiler, hopefully it has a hardware entry like it does in tiger
20:16<Supaplex>if you know the serial number of your mac, you can usually look it up on to
20:16<Supaplex>or if you bought your powerbook *new* say in the last year or so, it's intel
20:16<real0ne>i don't know the serial
20:17<real0ne>i thing its'n intel
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20:17<Supaplex>ahh, then it's powerpc?
20:17<azeem>Supaplex: powerbooks are always powerpc
20:18<Supaplex>ahh. they called the intel ones macbooks, right?
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20:18<Supaplex>didn't think of that :)
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20:18<azeem>macbook pro, but yeah
20:19<Supaplex>real0ne: ok, you're fine with the powerpc iso. with apple switching to intel, I didn't want to assume too much :)
20:19<real0ne>i don't understand any thing now
20:19<Supaplex>I have an aging 1ghz g4 ibook myself. <3
20:20<streuner_>real0ne: How old is the PC?
20:20<real0ne>i don't knwo
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20:21<streuner_>what kind of LIVE-CD supports ppc anyway?
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20:23<streuner_>just stick a grml LIVE-CD into your box, if it doesnt work its not i386
20:24<streuner_>(not intel then)
20:25<streuner_>minimal version is only 50 MB...
20:25<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment.
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20:25<streuner_>real0ne: if grml doesnt work for your PC, you just choose ppc
20:26<real0ne>i don't found grml
20:26<Supaplex>yet another reason to <3 -rw media. :)
20:26<real0ne>i have download ppc image
20:26<real0ne>and they don'r read it
20:26<real0ne>and don't boot with it
20:27<jcpiza>streuner_, one from gentoo
20:27<streuner_>jcpiza: heh?
20:28<streuner_>nah, we dont need that
20:28<jcpiza>and another
20:28<real0ne>grml is bot like debian
20:28<streuner_>jcpiza: we dont know what kind of CPU its in his box...
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20:29<streuner_>jcpiza: and according what he says, ppc just doenst work
20:29<Supaplex>open terminal, and run uname -p
20:29<real0ne>i install now
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20:30<jcpiza>file anyprogram
20:30<Supaplex>does the install disc say what it supports?
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20:30<Supaplex>jcpiza: not helpful if they're all universal binaries now, right? :)
20:31<jcpiza>what do you want?
20:31<Supaplex>not a bad thought though
20:31<Supaplex>nm, I guess you weren't suggesting that to real0ne.
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20:32<real0ne>is grml gnome or kde
20:32<Supaplex>on 50mb? I doubt either
20:32<Supaplex>maybe a minimal gnome
20:33<real0ne>i will donwload it
20:33<real0ne>and try it
20:35<streuner_>if grml works, it will surely works with Debian then
20:35<real0ne>i want to start with 0, and i install leopard now
20:36<real0ne>what partition art i musst do
20:37<Supaplex>I'm sure Apple knows best
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20:37<chealer>real0ne: I can hear your enter key asking for pity
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20:39<brunoskrebs>please can someone help me configuring a properly samba share folder so I can access with write and reading permission? I am trying for hours all kind of different smb.conf but no success
20:40<brunoskrebs>I can only access like anonymous and I cannot write
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20:41<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: is security = user?
20:41<brunoskrebs>I will try that
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20:41<brunoskrebs>I tried this before but maybe now that I put a few more lines
20:42<Supaplex>man smb.conf is your friend. it's very detailed.
20:43<Supaplex>that and samba logs + google
20:43<Supaplex>the latter helped me figure out why clients could not print :)
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20:44<brunoskrebs>my friend is not helping me so much
20:44<brunoskrebs>but anyway
20:44<brunoskrebs>I will keep reading
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20:51<Supaplex>why would the ifconfig counters on eth0 show 0's save for 6 packets dropped, when the router clearly shows dhcp request activity? I recompiled the kernel with symbols, but I haven't ventured into debugging it (eg, with gdb) as of yet. see #455195
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22:21<knewt>i'm trying to install etch on a sparc32 system, but it's failing during the base install. if i look at the syslog file after i get back to the menu, it complains about segfaults. if i try to chroot into /target, that also reports a segfault. any ideas?
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22:44<knewt>oh well, time to go to sleep now. guess i'll try again later
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22:56<cecile>Hi, I'm trying to start openoffice and I get WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ..
22:57<cecile>if I do strace I found this relevant: open("/usr/lib/charset.alias", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
22:57<cecile>what does that mean?
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22:59<dli>cecile, how did you install openoffice?
22:59<cecile>with aptitude
22:59<cecile>dli: with aptitude
23:00<cecile>dli, did I miss a package before installing openoffice?
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23:09<Golfgeo>Hi all
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23:13<chealer>cecile: is one of your partitions full?
23:14<cecile>chealer: no, df says 6% and 1%\
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23:15<chealer>cecile: did you check ?
23:15<ColonelPanik>java help please
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23:21<ColonelPanik>Etch install on a PIII cannot get Java to play
23:22<ColonelPanik>It is installed, about:plugins says all is good
23:22<ColonelPanik>When a java window opens I only get a brief flash
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23:25<cecile>chealer: i did and it gets me back to not being able to find charset.alias, from what packge is that file from?
23:29<chealer>cecile: none
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23:29<cecile>chealer :(
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