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00:24<rav>i installed the PCRE libraries, but I'm getting an error when I try to use a c++ program that uses it
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00:25<rav>i get an error saying that it can't find the shared object file. the docs for PCRE say that the installer may have installed it in a place where debian doesn't put its shared object files
00:25<rav>it installed to /usr/local/libs, is it the correct place for debian?
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01:34<Sescevok>anyone know which version of XFCE is packaged with etch?
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01:35<dli>!tell Sescevok about search
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01:36<Sescevok>dli: fyi i have done a search.....doesnt give versions....unless i am missing a switch
01:37<Sescevok>dli: i will search packages
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01:39<dli>Sescevok, , dpkg -l
01:41<Sescevok>dli: thanks!
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01:45<Julian_>hi. im wonder if someone knows a command to seeking to a position in a file? im writing something in lisp, and the error is in the form of "error at file position = 4813"
01:45<Sescevok>dli: off hand if i run the updates and it installs another kernel. will i still have the option to use the onld kernel within grub? or does it overwrite?
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01:49<dli>Sescevok, you can run "update-grub" manually to find out kernels available
01:49<Sescevok>dli: so the update doesnt overwrite kernels?
01:50<dli>Sescevok, no
01:50<dli>Sescevok, unless the same version
01:50<Sescevok>dli: thanks again. you have been very helpful
01:50<Julian_>anybody even have a basic idea? short of writing a program in c to count characters, im out of ideas
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01:52<Sescevok>count characters where?
01:53<dli>Julian_, use wc, then
01:53<Julian_>Sescevok, count the characters in a file. basically iterate through the file and stop when im at a position
01:54<Julian_>dli, thank you. i will check that out
01:54<dli>Julian_, like: wc -c /etc/hosts
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02:00<Julian_>dli, well unfortunately that only gives me to the total number of bytes
02:01<dli>Julian_, what do you want?
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02:02<Julian_>to find the character at positiong x
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02:04<Julian_>the application im using gives me an error like this, "Error: Meaningless character name inNewline [file position = 4813]"
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02:05<jeanmi___>I am using window maker and some of the items of my menu have disappeared
02:05<jeanmi___>I know that the menu is updated upon application installation or deinstallation
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02:05<jeanmi___>so I have tried to deinstall a program and reinstall it to reset the menu but it did not help
02:06<Sescevok>jeanmi___: been a while since i used windowmaker....bu ti think there is a command to update it with everything
02:06<jeanmi___>is there anything that may regenerate the menu items accorind to the install packages ?
02:06<jeanmi___>Sescevok :) exactly what I am looking for
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02:08<dli>jeanmi___, try menumaker
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02:11<Julian_>nevermind, i was able to use emacs to do it
02:11<Julian_>what can't emacs do :)
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02:15<jeanmi___>dli can't find menumaker on my install
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02:32<commodorelxiv>Hi, I have a problem with the X server. When I type 'X', the screen goes black and everything stops. SysRq+b doesn't even work. Is it likely that I am missing the driver?
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02:49<SpeedyG>hi, when upgrading from sarge to etch, I get the error "Couldn't stat source package list $link-of-repo", after I update a second time, the issue is fixed... is this a common thing ?
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02:56<dpkg>rumour has it, mac is see also nameififrename, or changed with macchanger
02:58<panv>how do i get my mac address for my wireless device ?
02:59<dli_>panv, ifconfig
02:59<commodorelxiv>panv: type '/sbin/ifconfig'. one of those should have it there.
02:59<panv>i am not sure if it would give me for the wireless device or for the cable... i have some conflicts..
02:59<panv>i have tried that
02:59<dli_>!tell panv about ask
03:00<panv>thank you dli... you are very sweet...
03:00<panv>later guys
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04:11<quitte>good morning. I'm having trouble with compiz on a geforce 8600gt. it works without problems on an almost identical system with onboard geforce 7050. both systems are sid. on the system with the 8600 the background windows don't have a titlebar.
04:13<quitte>I tried both the nvidia drivers from sid and the nvidia beta drivers. that doesn't make a difference. both systems are amd64x2
04:14<Supaplex>so different systems, but very similar
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04:15<quitte>Supaplex: the hardware is identical except the hdd and the additional graphics card
04:16<quitte>the system should be pretty much identical too. similar package selection with up to date sid
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04:20<Supaplex>did you try swapping drives between systems to see if the problem stays with the system, or if it moves with the drives?
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04:21<quitte>no. I don't have physical access to the broken system right now. but if I can't find away to break it here I'll swap the graphics card later today.
04:21<quitte>away=a way
04:24<Supaplex>I see.
04:24<dli_>hope nouveau would support 3D soon
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04:29<quitte>i'd prefer if ati released 3d specs and novell made drivers. thats the reason why i decided to use the cheapest possible 3d accelerated graphics possible.
04:30<dli_>maybe in years
04:30<mohkohn>it is 2007 and I want to turn my computer off without having to press down on the power button. How can I begin to troubleshoot this.
04:31<dli_>mohkohn, do you have acpi support
04:31<quitte>mohkohn: install acpid
04:31<mohkohn> acpi -V Thermal 1: ok, 52.0 degrees C AC Adapter 1: on-line
04:32<mohkohn>Is that coming from acpid?
04:32<quitte>mohkohn: no
04:33<mohkohn>I will apt-get install acpid as soon as my upgrade finishes then. Thanks
04:33<quitte>mohkohn: can you check if acpid is installed?
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04:34<mohkohn>I have apt running now 14 of 27 packages. I will check when finished.
04:34<quitte>mohkohn: dpkg --get-selections|grep acpid there are probably a dozen other ways to do this ;)
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04:35<mohkohn>thanks but I think I have to wait for apt to finish? Don't I?
04:36<quitte>no. reading the dpkg database even works as a user
04:36<mohkohn>acpid install
04:37<mohkohn>I also cannot <ctrl> <alt><F1>, etc to a terminal or switch user.
04:37<quitte>ok. so it's not that obvious
04:38<quitte>mohkohn: can you give some more details about your hardware and system
04:38<mohkohn>The same laptop will shutdown with Ubuntu Gutsy or Zenwalk.
04:39<mohkohn>But Gutsy's implementation of LUKS And Dm-Crypt is borked. Debian Etch installs fully encrypted not problem.
04:39<quitte>wild guess: you are using a non-debian kernel and don'T have modules for it installed
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04:41<mohkohn>nope. lenny 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP and etch did not work either. Someone mentioned that Ubuntu and Zenwalk were running newer versions of Xorg so I am trying Lenny.
04:41<seanius>quitte: could be that you don't have all the plugins loaded. there's a hint at the top of one of the compiz pages in the debian wiki
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04:41<quitte>seanius: the x strike forces wiki? yes. did that
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04:42<seanius>oh :/
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04:42<seanius>you could also try adding the plugins manually, like "compiz gconf decoration move resize" etc
04:42<seanius>er, compiz --replace ....
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04:43<quitte>seanius: i used ccsm and playedwith it for quite some time. no change
04:43<mohkohn>how can I check what version of Xorg I am running now?
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04:43<quitte>mohkohn: xorg is not related
04:43<seanius>it oculd be that the settings aren't being loaded for some reason... i've noticed similar behaviour
04:43<quitte>seanius: the behaviour definately changed
04:44<quitte>mohkohn: do you have a digicam to make a screenshot after shutdown?
04:44<mohkohn>Why does debian shutdown correctly without Xorg and after Xorg is installed it does not?
04:44<mohkohn>on my laptop.
04:44<quitte>it does that? wow.
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04:45<rif_>does anybody know how can I restore a system partition nightly (every morning the whole system must be the same)?
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04:45<mohkohn>not on me. Anyway all it does is sort of go blackish grey and hang.
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04:46<quitte>mohkohn: so you don't get anything when shutting down? just a black screen?
04:46<mohkohn>yep. It hangs and never shuts down.
04:46<mohkohn>I cannot get to TTY's either
04:47<mohkohn>or switch user.
04:47<quitte>mohkohn: can you tell me what chipset that laptop has?
04:47<mohkohn>And the other annoyance is the battery monitor does not work.
04:48<quitte>mohkohn: well. lenny isn't stable.
04:48<mohkohn>it did not work with etch either. This is a new laptop. 00:00.5 PIC: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M900 I/O APIC Interrupt Controller (prog-if 20 [IO(X)-APIC])
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04:49<quitte>mohkohn: did you dist-upgrade to lenny? or is this a mix of etch and lenny?
04:49<mohkohn>It is more stable than windows in my experience ;)
04:50<quitte>mohkohn: also please paste all of lspci in a pastein
04:50<mohkohn>I did a dist-upgrade
04:50<mohkohn>will do
04:50<dli_>!tell mohkohn about doesn't work
04:50<lupine>rif_: to start, dd if=/dev/<partition> of=/path/to/my/backup.img
04:50<lupine>then every morning, dd if=/path/to/my/backup.img of=/dev/<partition>
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04:51<dli_>lupine, better to use partimage
04:51<lupine>the difference being...?
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04:51<quitte>lupine: and what do you do about buffers and cache?
04:51<lupine>ah, sparse files and a gz filter
04:52<lupine>quitte: not sure I understand the question
04:52<rif_>lupine: the missing part is how can I make the computer restart in restoring mode and after that restart the normal system
04:52<quitte>lupine: flesystem corruption will happen if buffers aren't written to disk before you change its content
04:53<quitte>rif_: you can add your ow scripts to the initramfs
04:53<lupine>*shrug*. unmount before making the first image, then
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04:54<lupine>rif_: no need to reboot to get a restore mode. Just modify a spare runlevel (or use single) to be what you want
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04:54<quitte>rif_: I'd use unionfs forthe whole filesystem and just clean the partition I'm storing changes on every day
04:55<lupine>then in your normal runlevel, have a cronjob that switches to the restore cronjob; and have the restore runlevel reboot after restoring
04:55<mohkohn>dli_ A black screen doesn't give me much to go on either!
04:56<quitte>mohkohn: i'd be interested if x gets restarted when you press ctrl-alt-backspace
04:56<dli_>mohkohn, ssh to it, and run "shutdown -h now" there
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04:56<rif_>interesting ideas guys, thanks (I must check unionfs :)
04:56<mohkohn>quitte, It does not restart.
04:57<quitte>it doesn't even quit?
04:57<mohkohn>X dies but does not restart.
04:57<quitte>ah. can you access the machine via network that way? I'd assume at that point your machine crashed.
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05:01<quitte>and here is mohkohns problem:
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05:05<mohkohn>sorry my network dropped out
05:06<quitte>mohkohn: maybe the xserver-xorg-video-via works for you.
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05:07<mohkohn>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via?
05:07<mohkohn>or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org?
05:08<quitte>yes. and either dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. or change the config manually
05:08<quitte>mohkohn: right now xorguses the vesadriver?
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05:11<mohkohn>Driver "vesa"
05:12<quitte>mohkohn: ok. so we nailed it down. I hope the via driver works.
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05:13<Entheogen>what parameters should I use with hdparm to induce dvd burn speed?
05:13<mohkohn>so I should backup xorg.conf then edit and change driver to via?
05:13<quitte>mohkohn: yes
05:15<quitte>Entheogen: I don't know the word induce. you want to burn slower?
05:16<mohkohn>thanks. I will restart x shortly. I just want to check a few things first. If It does not work I will have to go home for an install cd :)
05:16<quitte>mohkohn: you can always select single user mode in the grub menu and change the x config from theconsole
05:17<Entheogen>no no
05:17<Entheogen>faster :P
05:17<mohkohn>sounds better quitte ok I will give it a go
05:17<quitte>Entheogen: afaict that depends on the drives firmware the burning program and the media used
05:18<quitte>Entheogen: hdparm, setcd and similarprograms are unlikely to be ableto change the speed
05:18<Entheogen>well i was able to change speed this summer, but i forgot what was the command :P
05:18<Entheogen>now I set burn speed to 8x, but it is burning on 1x-1.5x
05:19<quitte>Entheogen: so you made it silent in summer? probably setcd
05:20<Entheogen>i know that i used hdparm
05:20<Entheogen>that's sure
05:20<quitte>Entheogen: but it could also be limited by what you are burning. for example a direct copy while the reading speed is low
05:21<quitte>Entheogen: man hdparm. -E
05:22<Entheogen>never mind, i'll use some mooore google :)
05:22<Entheogen>thanks anyway
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05:28<BlackDex-IRC>Hello there..
05:28<BlackDex-IRC>I have Debian (Latest Stable with updates) as webserver installed
05:29<BlackDex-IRC>The last couple of weeks, atleast once a week the system seems to crash/lockup
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05:30<quitte>mohkohn: no luck?
05:30<JasonS>mohkohn: close but not quite
05:30<JasonS>BlackDex-IRC: log files say?
05:30<BlackDex-IRC>i can't login through ssh or even through the live console itself
05:30<JasonS>live console? can you get to the machine locally?
05:30<BlackDex-IRC>i don't know which log files to check at
05:30<mohkohn>quitte, no the via driver did not work. I saw my TTY though :)
05:30<BlackDex-IRC>yea i mean the machine locally
05:31<dli_>BlackDex-IRC, memtest86 first
05:31<BlackDex-IRC>if i try to login there it stops after pressing enter for the password
05:31<mohkohn>then i mv xorg.conf.bak xorg.cong and here I am again
05:31<quitte>mohkohn: ok. so the p4m900 is not yet in that package. that probably means you hve to build the ubuntu driver package for lenny
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05:33<mohkohn>quitte, is it available in unstable perhaps?
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05:33<BlackDex-IRC>JasonS: Which log files i can look at to check if some other progress causes an error (Im relativly new to server usages linux)
05:33<quitte>mohkohn: no. openchrome isn't in unstable.
05:34<blue>Anybody know of any good tweaks to add performance to My Debian Box
05:36<JasonS>BlackDex-IRC: sys log would be a good place to start
05:36<JasonS>blue: more ram, faster cpu, faster drives
05:36<dli_>blue, no need
05:37<JasonS>blue: what are you looking for
05:38<blue>JasonS: just some tips on adding performance in general.
05:38<blue>without buying new hardware
05:39<JasonS>blue: then i say go with dli_ suggestion
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05:41<main>good morning all
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05:41<main>any lady from Florida want to chat?
05:41<JasonS>main: wrong channel
05:41<blue>JasonS: i like to skweez out as much as possible,Mostly for Braging rights.
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05:43<BlackDex-IRC>I see al lot of postfix messages.
05:43<BlackDex-IRC>And it seems that it is 'cron' who sends those mails.
05:43<witte>blue: depends on what you want to have faster: if you want less memory usage, use lighter applications, if you want a faster operation, optimize your kernel (only marginal improvement probably),..
05:44<BlackDex-IRC>is there a way to disable those mails?
05:44<padski>BlackDex-IRC, man cron
05:45<blue>witte: yea thought of that only im still learning and not ready to build and compile a kernel.Yet:)
05:45<JasonS>although you may want to keep them BlackDex-IRC
05:46<witte>blue: if your system is limited in memory, you could try a lighter window manager (not kde or gnome).
05:47<blue>witte: Still reading LSF
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05:47<dli_>blue, if you really want to tweak more, you can rebuild all debian packages from source, and reset CFLAGS whenever possible
05:48<dli_>blue, after hours (days) of rebuilding, you may get like plus or minus 5% performance
05:48<witte>blue: something more trivial is make sure that you have dma enabled on your harddisk
05:49<padski>hmm, deja-gentoo anyone ?
05:49<JasonS>padski: indeed
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05:50<blue>dli_: Thats the bragging rights im looking for:0
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05:51<blue>The base system
05:52<JasonS>blue: lot of work for little return don't you think
05:52<JasonS>we aren't gentoo you know heh
05:52<blue>dli_: Im just about corortable enough to build packs from source.
05:52<dli_>blue, you should try a source based os, like gentoo or freebsd
05:53<blue>JasonS: Jason its the experiance i need:)
05:53<padski>blue: debian has pretty good facilities for rebuilding from source. If that is where your main interest lies, yuo might want to look around at some of the others, I can't say.
05:55<blue>Thanks people.I have some things to think about
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05:59<blue>Hey what do y'll think is the best media player
05:59<dli_>blue, mplayer
05:59<blue>ive been using well
06:00<dli_>blue, use audacious instead
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06:00<blue>smaller footprint?
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06:03<blue>dli_: Audacious. ill give it a try a couple of days see what i think
06:05<blue>Later Peeps GTG
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06:14<keith>Debian4.0: libdvdcss2. I installed libdvdcss2 so I was able to watch some DVD movies but others still will not open. What other programs do I have to install?
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06:18<themill>!dvd playback troubleshooting
06:18<dpkg>hmm... dvd playback troubleshooting is dvd playback works better with a direct rendering layer (shm or xv) running within X and dma turned on for your drive. You will probably need dvd decoding software, so ask me about <debian-multimedia>. You probably need to set a region on the drive too, even if you are going to use deCSS for non-region discs (package regionset). Also see
06:20<themill>keith: ^^ xine + libdvd0 + libdvdcss2 + libdvdnav4 + libdvdplay0 + libdvdread3 has played every dvd that I've thrown against it.
06:21<BlackDex>How can i disable the bandwidth log? Can't find how to do that
06:21<themill>keith: Occasionally, you get a dvd with a screwed up menu system, but then I just play individual chapters off the disk instead.
06:21<petemc>BlackDex: bandwidth log?
06:22<BlackDex>yea there seems to be a bandwidth log in /var/log
06:22<BlackDex>and its huge
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06:22<petemc>none of my systems have such a log
06:22<petemc>whats in it?
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06:23<BlackDex>Aug 22 09:07:11 localhost kernel: BANDWIDTH_OUT:IN= OUT=eth1 SRC= DST= LEN=1500 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=734 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=445 DPT=3498 WINDOW=16080 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0
06:23<BlackDex>stuff like that
06:23<petemc>thats iptables logging
06:24<dli_>BlackDex, lsmod|grep -i log
06:25<dli_>BlackDex, custom kernel?
06:25<BlackDex>but looking at the date of that last line. It looks like it is stopted already
06:25<BlackDex>nope.. original debian
06:25<padski>BlackDex: loks like iptables logging
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06:27<keith>themill: Thanks for that. I'll install those. I assume I get those files the same place I got libdvdcss2.
06:28<themill>keith: they're all on
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06:30<Guest1005>evening everybody
06:32<BlackDex>it seems that it is disabled already.. Mabye it happend when the kernel updated..
06:32<BlackDex>Or i disabled it, and can't remember it, couse it isn't in my own server log file
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06:34<Guest1005>I have fantastic news I finally managed to resize my HFS+ using the debian etch ppc install disc but now i need a bit of help setting up my partitions for a dual boot of OS X and used to dual booting with win and linux
06:35<Guest1005>here is my question
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06:36<Guest1005>as i dont have my OS X cd i cant wipe OS X out and reset the partitions fresh
06:36<quitte>Guest1005: try #debian-ppc
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06:37<Guest1005>as it stands the disc has for partition 1 about 1.4kb the second is empty free space at about 138mb the third is my OS X partition and 150gb free at the end
06:38<Guest1005>quitte i have sevral times they apparently dont talk at ALL there
06:38<Guest1005>at least i get some sort of responce here
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06:40<quitte>Guest1005: ok. it's been a long time since I used ppc
06:41<quitte>the 150G are unpartitioned?
06:41<quitte>creating a new partition there should be safe
06:41<Guest1005>right i used parted to shrink the HFS+ from 250gb to 100gb
06:41<quitte>also installing debian there won't destroy osx. the interesting part is getting the bootloader to work
06:42<Guest1005>thats my concern
06:44<quitte>so as far as I can tell unless you overwrite the hfs partition your osx is safe. I don'T know how critical osx is for you. but afaict even if the bootloader doesn't wor the first time you should always be able to get it working later. did you read the debian installation guide for ppc?
06:44<Guest1005>i dont wan to proceed with install with the potential risk of being locked out of either OS
06:45<quitte>ok. so don't intall a bootloader and use some external media to start the bootloader from?
06:45<Guest1005>aye the section for PPC dual booting OSx and debian is lean to say the least
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06:46<Guest1005>well once the install is dont i suppose i could always use the install cd yaboot to point to the HDD resident system
06:48<quitte>Guest1005: right. but to be on the safe side i'd not allow the installer to install a bootloader to the hdd until i figured out howyaboot works and tried it from some external media.
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06:49<quitte>as you already did the risky thing, resizing, that shouldn't be a problem
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06:50<Guest1005>yea im thinking so aswell hell it will be alot easier to trouble shoot promblems aswell that way as i can still use vi and like tools to edit files on he once installed nix via OS X terminal
06:52<Guest1005>okie thank you for the help i appreciate it =) im going to do just a tad bit more research and then step up to the install plate
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06:52<quitte>Guest1005: you might also want to get a darwin iso just in case
06:52<Guest1005>hmmm good idea
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07:43<tompan_ava>when i removed an old DNS to of my debian servers stop resolving hosts and wont "take" the new DNS settings in resolv.conf, is there any other place where the DNS i specified? i have checked interfaces as well.
07:43<tompan_ava>two of my debian servers
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07:47<themill>is resolv.conf changing on you automatically?
07:47<Gekz>what do i tell ar to make a deb :P
07:48<sep>Gekz, afaik you don't you use dpkg-deb instead
07:48<Gekz>ar r it seems.
07:48<sep>there are subtle differences between a ar archive and a .deb
07:49<sep>so you may have issues using the ar generated .deb in a repo iirc.
07:49<the-dude>tompan_ava: are you using dhcp or static adresses?
07:49<sep>google it. been ages since i had that problem, and the solution was using dpkg-deb instead
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07:50<tompan_ava>mill: no, i put the new nameserver in there and they stay :) But when i try to ping or ssh to a hostname it does not work. By ip i works fine.
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07:52<Gekz>sep: your advice ended in a segfault xD
07:52<themill>tompan_ava: what does the host command do? host
07:52<azeem>Gekz: what are you trying to do?
07:53<sep>Gekz, that is clearly a different issue :P
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07:55<Gekz>after all the effort of making the package, the app segfaults xD
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08:00<jay__>Does any one know what "Discovery Options" refer to in Eclipse?
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08:03<jay__>Does any one use eclipse for c coding... if not, which IDE is best for c coding. By best I mean... has autocomplete options for whatever customs libraries added using the include directive.
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08:15<tompan_ava>mill: i dont have the host command and i cant resolve any apt-sources without a dns....
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08:18<tompan_ava>mill: got nameserver not responding
08:18<petemc>use opendns nameservers
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08:25<lindenle>when I sleep my laptop overnight the time come up wrong
08:25<lindenle>is there a way to make the ntpdate run everytime I restart a network connection
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08:30<kooll>lindenle: you could put it in the networks scripts, in 'if-post-up'something
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08:31<kooll>lindenle: oh ... there is a script called /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate on my system :)
08:31<kooll>read it
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08:35<lindenle>and jealous
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08:36<kooll>it comes from the ntpdate package (on etch)
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09:14<Warp4>hi all
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09:14<Warp4>quick question - how can i determine what libs a program requires?
09:15<azeem>Warp4: ldd
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09:15<Warp4>ah thanks azeem
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09:47<dpkg>somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:16<tinctorius>I need help on installing Debian Etch on a PowerEdge T105. The real problem is in getting the NIC working, which appears to be a Broadcom NetXtreme 5712.
10:16<tinctorius>I have downloaded bcm5700-sources and built & installed it using module-assistant, but the vanilla version doesn't work.
10:17<tinctorius>something with unknown symbols ({un,}register_ioctl32_conversion)
10:17<tinctorius>so I removed that code from the sources
10:17<tinctorius>but upon inserting the module, it doesn't do anything
10:17<tinctorius>ifconfig doesn't show my eth0 and eth1
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10:17<tinctorius>Can anyone help me with this?
10:17<cahoot>no error in dmesg when you modprobe?
10:18<tinctorius>apart from the unknown symbol stuff: no.
10:18<tinctorius>that's a no for the loadable modules too :P
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10:19<cahoot>if you first modprobe -r <bcm5700 or whatever it's called > then modprobe it - no sign of recognition or error in dmesg?
10:20<azeem>tintifax: unknown symbols are fatal
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10:20<leandro>tem gente ai
10:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:21<leandro>mais aqui tem
10:21<leandro>eu sou novo
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10:25<pontalti>somebody knows how to instal a download program?
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10:25<padski>pontalti: a download program ?
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10:26<pontalti>speak portuguese?
10:26<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:26<JasonS>pontalti: dpkg -i fos normally but why not just go aptitude install foo
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10:27<pontalti>i dont know how to operate a linux
10:28<pontalti>and i need a program that i can take musics...videos....etc.. in internet
10:28<padski>pontalti: web browser ?
10:28<pontalti>as imesh...for windowns....or...emule
10:28<tinctorius>cahoot: already tried it, but no reflection in bcm5700
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10:29<pontalti>i downt know how to instal a program
10:29<tinctorius>however, one of tg3, bm44 and bm43xx seemed to respond with some error about IEEE 802.11 encryption suite 'NULL'.
10:29<tinctorius>but nothing from bcm5700
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10:30<JasonS>pontalti: you go aptitude install app name
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10:30<pontalti>jasons??? u kknow how to spek portuguese?
10:30<padski>!tell pontalti about pt
10:30<JasonS>pontalti: no but dpkg told you where to go if you with help in portuguese
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10:31<pontalti>i mkust take some musics in net but i downt know any program that make this funcion
10:31<pontalti>in portuguese i can unsertand u better
10:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:31<JasonS>if they dont get it now they never will
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10:32<pontalti>il try in a portuguese forum
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10:32<JasonS>think we should set up a channel ban on the word kurumin heh
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10:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:33<JasonS>pontalti: type /join #debian-br
10:33<tinctorius>cahoot: lspci can 'em (2:00:00 = onboard, 3:00:00 = pci-e... I guess)
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10:33<tinctorius>it knows the vendor, but not the device
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10:33<tinctorius>"unknown device 165a"
10:34<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
10:34<cahoot>tinctorius: don't know if that's fatal but try update-pciids
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10:34<pontalti>ther is nobody in portuguese chat
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10:35<cahoot>tinctorius: yes
10:35<pontalti>i must some program to make ite
10:35<tinctorius>that's net, right? :P
10:35<pontalti>somebothy save me please
10:35<tinctorius>I don't have network, let alone Internet :P
10:35<cahoot>tinctorius: catch22
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10:36<tinctorius>By the way, it seems knows my card
10:36<JasonS>pontalti: theres 22 people in that channel ask your question and wait
10:36<padski>tinctorius: removable media ? ie: sneakernet ?
10:36<tinctorius>vendor: 14e4 ("Broadcom Corporation"), device: 165a ("NetXtreme BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express")
10:36<tinctorius>I'll try
10:36<pontalti>i learning how to mix in that operate system
10:37<padski>pontalti: no worries
10:37<pontalti>it to dificult mix in that system
10:38<pontalti>but is too good at the same time
10:38<JasonS>pontalti: to install an application in debian you open a terminal su to root and type aptitude install name of application
10:38[~]tinctorius reconnects keyboard to server, unmounts USB stick, reconnects keyboard and USB stick to desktop, copies pci.ids to USB stick, reconnects keyboard and USB stick to server... etc..
10:38<pontalti>my linux is kutumin
10:39<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
10:39<padski>kurumin ? we guessed
10:39<JasonS>pontalti: then we cant help you as you dont run debian
10:39<JasonS>try going to
10:39<padski>is apt-get a more dependable option than aptitude ?
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10:39<pontalti>there is some chat from kurumim?
10:39<pontalti>as that one that we talk?
10:39<padski>see the factoid above,
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10:42<cyrax>if I do not use or plan to use any Apple related products can I safely disable Appletalk @ startup time?
10:43<cyrax>@ boot time Appletalk daemon takes pretty long to start.
10:43<padski>cyrax: you have Appletalk ?
10:43<cyrax>I had installed Debian Etch R1 yesterday. And it starts automatically. I did not fiddle with the startup.
10:44<pontalti>after i took the program that i want.....just say me what a must do?
10:44<cyrax>padski, it runs by default.
10:45<padski>cyrax: ;-) I guessed as much. is this the netatlk package ?
10:45<tinctorius>sneakernet update of pci.ids completed, lspci now knows what it's talking about
10:45<padski>cyrax: sorry, netatalk
10:46<cyrax>padski, yes that is what I was talking about
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10:46<padski>cyrax: anyways, I imagine you could just remove the whole netatalk package
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10:46<tinctorius>module removal and inserting still doesn't do anything though; no differences in ifconfig, no dmesg output
10:46<tinctorius>any other hints? =/
10:47<padski>cyrax: I don't think I've ever had it installed, and I do have apple kit :-)
10:47<cyrax>padski, I intend to. I just want to know if it is a safe thing to do. It was installed and running by default so I thought that it was something of great importance.
10:48<cyrax>going going ... gone netatalk's gone
10:48<padski>cyrax: if removal of a package is "unsafe" expect to get some big warnings when you try (for most useful values of unsafe)
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10:49<cyrax>padski, ... I will watch of for any errors
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10:50<tinctorius>cahoot: updating pci.ids didn't change much, except for the fact that lspci now shows slightly different output (as expected)
10:52<cahoot>tinctorius: tried rebuilding the original src via m-a?
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10:54<tinctorius>cahoot: don't think that'll work, since original source produced a binary that needed {un,}register_ioctl32_conversion
10:54<tinctorius>cahoot: it's a x86-64 machine, by the way
10:54<tinctorius>cahoot: I just commented that whole part out =/
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10:55<tinctorius>cahoot: well, I mean, I removed defined(...X86_64...) from the #ifdef line
10:55<cahoot>tinctorius: ok - I don't think I can be of any substantial help - sorry
10:55<tinctorius>cahoot: no problem, thanks for trying though =)
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10:56<sPiCy`>hi / yep @ all
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11:04<lam64>hi all
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11:09<lam64>hi federice
11:09<federico>i need help whit my repos
11:10<federico>i new in debian
11:10<JasonS>!tell federico about ask
11:12<federico>i need the best repos
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11:13<JasonS>federico: pick ones close to you then
11:13<ohmy>Ciao a tutti, come faccio ad aprire una finestra di terminale in vim?
11:13<JasonS>best for what
11:13<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
11:14<federico>and games
11:14<JasonS>federico: its in all debian repos if its in one
11:14<ohmy>how can I open a terminal window in vim?
11:14<JasonS>!tell federico about sources.list
11:15<federico>i dont speak ingles good
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11:16<JasonS>federico: what language do you speak?
11:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:18<federico>the problem is that i use debian amd64 and dont found somethings
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11:19<federico>example fashplayer
11:20<lam64>hi JasonS i am from India recently installed debian system via goodbyemicrosoft , previously using sidux
11:21<lam64>how do i install twm and metacity
11:21<JasonS>lam64: aptitude install
11:22<path>is it out kde4 for lenny ?
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11:23<cahoot>no and probably won't either
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11:23<path>you're kidding
11:23<path>it will :)
11:24<JasonS>path: why would it be?
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11:24<path>why they wouldnt release kde4 JasonS ?
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11:24<JasonS>well im tired of the answer a question with a question game all ready
11:24<path>ok I'll use googl
11:25<path>dont bother
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11:29<witte>someone else asked yesterday or the day before already, but now I am also getting curious if tehre will be new 2.6.23-k7 packages soon, or that they will be discontinued and that we will have to use 686 builds
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11:39<o7andrew>please help me to slim down my linux installation without totally disabling it
11:40<K4k>o7andrew, define slim down
11:40<K4k>free up memory, work processor less, smaller install?
11:41<o7andrew>i need to uninstall a <lot> of apps/files/whatever <maybe not manual-pages tho? lol>
11:41<o7andrew>harddrive space
11:41<JasonS>o7andrew: so then aptitude remove
11:41<JasonS>o7andrew: are you that tight for space?
11:41<K4k>yea, I was going to say, just go through and remove packages you don't need
11:41<K4k>also make sure you get deborphan and run that
11:42<K4k>I was low on space on a machine and doing that and cleaning up old left over packages freed up a ton of space
11:42<o7andrew>sorrry, did i mention, i'm TotaLLy new? (ok k4k that's cool, thanx)
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11:42<witte>o7andrew: apt-get clean empties your /var/cache/apt...
11:42<K4k>also remove old kernels and kernel sources
11:42<K4k>those take up a good bit of space
11:43<buffoon_work>I'm trying to use preseeding on the d-i: everything works fine but the partitioning... i want to have it automatically done. I have 2 Disks with 80GB of space.
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11:43<SamuraiDio>my kernel does not create /dev/sda1 (root) on boot. grub loads from the same hd and, sometimes, the system works fine, but in most of'em i fall into busybox and have only /dev/hda (cdrom). i changed the /dev/name by UUID= at grub and fstab, i place some sata (scsi_mod,sd_mod,libata,sata_nv,ahci,ata_piix) modules at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. none of it worked. can someone help me?
11:44<o7andrew>wow, I've got 5g master, 9.5g slave ! haha
11:44<buffoon_work>the recipe:
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11:50<NitroxX>mycke folk
11:50<JasonS>just had one thanks NitroxX
11:50<NitroxX>i need help with my debian :P
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11:53<ccg>is there some kind of irc webclient in debian ?
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11:54<Supaplex>!tell ccg -about search
11:54<Supaplex>yes, many.
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11:56<NitroxX>how do u get debian graphicly
11:56<NitroxX>tried apt-get install gdm gnome
11:56<Supaplex>you want kde, gnome, or some other window manager?
11:57<Supaplex>!install gnome
11:57<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install 'gnome' to install everything, install 'gnome-desktop-environment' to install slightly less stuff, or install 'gnome-core' to install even less. You will need X installed to use GNOME, ask me about <set up x>.
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11:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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11:59<o7andrew>I just started and <i can't access my (slave) hard drive, what would you do?
11:59<K4k>check your jumper configuration
11:59<K4k>I just had that problem myself
12:00<K4k>but first make sure it's just not unmounted
12:00<daypitoum>could we see /etc/fstab ?
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12:01<o7andrew>no I think you're right because gparted doesn't see it either?
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12:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:01<JasonS>firetux: yes we know
12:01<Supaplex>if it's not in /proc/partitions, chances are you either don't have the driver loaded, it's inaccessible, or you have a hardware issue
12:02<Supaplex>firetux: just /query dpkg from now on thanks.
12:02<o7andrew>thanx ,I cat /etc/fstab and it's not there
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12:03<Supaplex>well /etc/fstab is for you to setup, /proc/partitions is what the kernel is presently aware of
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12:04<o7andrew>No, I Just cat /proc/partitions and find hdb and hda1
12:04<o7andrew>so It's detected right?
12:04<padski>o7andrew: hdb
12:05<Supaplex>assuming you didn't make any typos, yes it's there
12:05<o7andrew>is it a permissions thingee??
12:05<o7andrew>(i'm just user right now)
12:06<Supaplex>is there data on the drive? Why are there no partitions detected?
12:07<o7andrew>mount /dev/hdb1 won't work because it's not listed in fstab?
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12:07<Supaplex>you'll need more paramaters
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12:08<daypitoum>anything to do with the fstab
12:08<Supaplex>is hdb1 in /proc/partitions? you previously only said hdb and hda1, which I'm suprized to not see hda
12:08<o7andrew>yeah, It's got my old windows and vids etc (alla on the same stoopid partition!)
12:08<Supaplex>yea, if it's not in fstab, mount needs more info
12:08<o7andrew>Supaplex: yes hdb1 is in /proc/partitions, so's hda
12:10<Supaplex>so where do you want hdb1 to end up when it's mounted? what's file -sk /dev/hdb1 say?
12:11<o7andrew>yeah, that's right 'cos when I use nautilus, and try to mount it, I get a big libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal >problem
12:11<o7andrew>(should i pastebin this message?)
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12:12<o7andrew>haha, I don't even know how to use the pastebin yet
12:13<Supaplex>!pastebin howto
12:13<dpkg>hmm... pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here.
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12:14<o7andrew>rafb gotit
12:15<o7andrew>thanx Supaplex
12:15<o7andrew>!mount howto
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12:16<Supaplex>o7andrew: try /msg dpkg help :) only specific factoids are set, search for them with listkeys, listvals. /msg dpkg help (command) for more help on that command. oh yeah, I don't toy with natilus
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12:17<o7andrew>(just a file browser, I'm kindva gui-babe at the moment
12:18<Supaplex>yea, I've used it once or twice. not like I learned anything using it. :)
12:18<o7andrew>i know, why don't you just hack me, and then we can rEaLLy chat LoL
12:19<daypitoum>lol ?
12:19<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
12:19[~]o7andrew avidly paws through his iptables howto
12:19<Supaplex>that's gotta be a qotd
12:19<daypitoum>dpkg: right
12:19<dpkg>right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says.
12:19<o7andrew>heh, trudat! fuck
12:21<o7andrew>iii, it's 5:30 am, and I just had an epiphany to go stricty debian, but I'm shagged so I think I'll address all these "issues" later on
12:21<Supaplex>dpkg: qotd203 is <reply> <o7andrew> i know, why don't you just hack me, and then we can rEaLLy chat LoL
12:21<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
12:21<o7andrew>thanx for looking in/looking up guys
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12:27<Hiryu>has anyone else had trouble with dpkg segfaulting lately?
12:27<Maulkin>Hiryu: have you checked your ram?
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12:29<Hiryu>Maulkin: I was afraid bad memory might be able to cause that... but no I haven't
12:30<Maulkin>Hiryu: go get memtest86 :P
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12:33<Hiryu>Maulkin: seems to be related to the libc6 package
12:33<Hiryu>Maulkin: and that would do it too
12:33<Hiryu>Maulkin: I haven't got any signal 11's when compiling
12:33<Maulkin>Hiryu: urgh
12:33<Maulkin>Hiryu: sounds like ram. Anything in dmesg?
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12:35<themill>Hiryu: are you running sid?
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12:39<white_gecko>i want to use lirc in debian lenny kernel on my macbook pro but i get an error, when i build the kernel-module
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12:39<white_gecko>and wehn i start lircd there is the information, that it is not configured
12:41<Supaplex>'an error'
12:41<JasonS>white_gecko: what's the error?
12:42<white_gecko>il paste it
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12:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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12:45<padski>is apache1.3 likely to be released inlenny ?
12:46<Maulkin>padski: Probably not
12:46<white_gecko>so my paste:
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12:47<padski>how does the naming go then. if apache1.3 is not released in lenny,does apache2 get renamed to apache at some point ? in lenny or lenny+1 ?
12:47<Maulkin>Depends on how the maints want to do it.
12:47<padski>Maulkin: thanks
12:47<Maulkin>At a guess, you'll have apache->apache[1.3|2]
12:48<Maulkin>Then at some point (tm) apache -> apache2
12:48<Maulkin>Then apache1.3 gets removes after that release
12:48<Maulkin>Personally, I don't think 1.3 should be with lenny :P
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12:51<Hiryu>Maulkin: not a ram problem... something with x libraries maybe? I did export debian_frontend=dialog and the segfaults went away
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12:53<kmilo>hi everyone
12:53<kmilo>some client to connect a vnc server?
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12:54<kmilo>i try with xrealvncviewer but i can't press ctrl+alt+supr XD
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12:54<white_gecko>does anybody know something about my lirc problem?
12:54<Maulkin>Hiryu: hrm... none I know of. Still anything in dmesg?
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12:54<Maulkin>white_gecko: ppc or intel?
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12:55<kmilo>path, but.. how can i press keys inside the server?
12:56<kmilo>i'm trying to connect to a nt sever..
12:56<kmilo>but i must press ctrl+alt+supr
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12:57<Maulkin>white_gecko: What's the output of 'dpkg -l lirc-modules-source' ?
12:57<Maulkin>(last line)?
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12:58<Hiryu>Maulkin: the problem was definitely related to X somehow, X hasn't been working, but after changing the front end, apt/dpkg work fine
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13:00<white_gecko>^^ how do i get it in english?
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13:02<Maulkin>white_gecko: prefix the command with LANG=C
13:02<Maulkin>white_gecko: known bug:
13:03<Maulkin>Hiryu: hrm... very odd. Don't know of any issues with that.
13:03<Maulkin>Hiryu: have you checked your memory anyway? It *could* be tickling the wrong bit if it's using different stuff in X
13:03<Hiryu>Maulkin: I suspect it's specific to my system
13:03<Maulkin>(but less likely)
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13:04<Maulkin>Hiryu: and you're using a standard etch system, right?
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13:04<white_gecko>Maulkin: so now in english:
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13:05<white_gecko>Maulkin: but if i take the cvs chackout it compiles without errors, but i don't know how to build it the debian way
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13:07<lxuser>is there anybody knowing mythtv
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13:12<kop>I'm running stable (etch) and gnome. When the screensaver "login" dialog comes up it shows some sgml(?). "<span size="x-large">myname</span>. How do i get rid of the markup?
13:13<kop>(Whoops. Gotta go. Will try to look back for any responses. Thanks.)
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13:29<dpkg>mythtv is, like, software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv>
13:29<Eternal_Bliss>how can i put a DOK .img into a DOK under windows OS in order to install debian?
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13:31<dkr>well, if our fearless bot doesn't know what it is... ;)
13:33<george>Eternal_Bliss : what you should do is make a list of all the media types (floppy, cdrom, hd, etc) your machine can boot from, then use that list while reading the install guide
13:35<Eternal_Bliss>george: i burned the network install .iso and booted from my cdrom, and at the installation it decided it cannot detect my cdrom. so i'm trying to find a solution by booting the installation from a disk on key device instead hoping it will help
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13:38<george>nonresponsive... good luck :)
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13:38<edthefox>Eternal_Bliss: does your computer support boot from usb device?
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13:42[~]Supaplex checks Eternal_Bliss for a pulse ... nope ... oh wait, it's very weak.
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13:44<dynamitedj>can someone help me please i'm having a problem with dtc-postfix-courier
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13:45<s32raph>good morning u bastards
13:45<s32raph>= )
13:45<simonrvn>good morning asshole =)
13:46<s32raph> $ /msg nickserv identify asshole
13:46<s32raph>simonrvn: no such luck i guess.. ; )
13:47<s32raph>anyone good with debian/pcmcia cardbus?
13:48<Eternal_Bliss>edthefox: yes it supports boot from usb
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13:49<edthefox>Eternal_Bliss: do you have linux installed on anything handy?
13:50<Eternal_Bliss>i'm afraid not
13:51<s32raph>ooc: just found out the other day i installed x86 kernel and i have amd.. oops! = )
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13:51<Eternal_Bliss>edthefox: any way to make my DOK bootable with the installation via windows?
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13:56<Eternal_Bliss>yeh, i should :P
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13:56<Supaplex>it's non-destructive if you are cautious
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13:59<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32 system (see site for ongoing compaitbility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ.
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14:01<Eternal_Bliss>umm, could do :)
14:01<panagos>how can i view via aptitude from which branch a given package version is? (testing/unstable etc) i'm running lenny/sid
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14:02<Supaplex>panagos: apt-cache policy <pkg>
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14:02<dkr>aptitude show package
14:02<panagos>is there a way to see this via the "gui"?
14:03<dkr>synaptic I guess
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14:03<Supaplex>sid and gui in the same sentence? comeon ;)
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14:03<panagos>no, for god's sake, i meant the aptitude's gui
14:04<panagos>maybe "tui" would be more appropriate :D
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14:05<dkr>look at the changelog? :)
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14:06<panagos>man, is there no direct method? a command-line utility or such... :P
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14:08<panagos>dkr: looking at the changelog doesn't seem to help... everything is marked as "unstable" there...
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14:15<avtobiff>i am running lenny and when i want to run dist-upgrade it aborts with an ERROR and a fatal exception
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14:16<avtobiff>it aborts when aptitude is trying to resolve dependencies
14:16<s32raph>avtobiff: aptitude -f?
14:17<s32raph>avtobiff: see also - sudo aptitude, -force
14:17<avtobiff>still dies
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14:17<avtobiff>Resolving dependencies...
14:17<avtobiff>*** ERROR: search aborted by fatal exception. You may continue searching, but some solutions will be unreachable.
14:17<s32raph>avtobiff: incompatible versions or an incomplete dependency somewhere, just a newb guess..?!
14:17<avtobiff>then on a new line it says "In solution <>;[hal-info ...]"
14:18<avtobiff>i have never seen this before
14:18<s32raph>r u updating from url?
14:18<s32raph>mirror? etc..
14:18<s32raph>u have problem with your networking
14:18<avtobiff>i do?
14:18<s32raph>says "solutions unreachable" sounds like networking to me
14:18<s32raph>unreachable is tcp/ip slang
14:19<s32raph>cant connect to host
14:19<s32raph>so you have something wrong with the way your aptitude library is trying to connect
14:19<avtobiff>why? i have downloaded all the packages. it is when aptitude is trying to figure out how to install them it breaks
14:19<avtobiff>not during download
14:19<s32raph>maybe a guru (see #debian guru) could confirm?
14:19<s32raph>check the dependencies online of the library/module
14:20<panagos>avtobiff: try with a different mirror
14:20<avtobiff>i am using dist-upgrade here, which occasionally suggests a few different solutions on how to resolve dependency and upgrade problems
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14:20<s32raph>sounds now like it is supposed to check back in with the host, but it cant talk to the mirror in the new "protocol"
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14:20<s32raph>like, its expecting certain parts of the package to be there and they arnt
14:20<avtobiff>same problem
14:20<s32raph>try building all your packages again from base
14:21<s32raph>apt-get install build-essentials
14:21<avtobiff>using another host. imho this is no networking problem
14:21<s32raph>no no, your connecting
14:21<s32raph>but your box isint speaking "host" language
14:21<avtobiff>"host" language?
14:21<s32raph>cus its not updating properly, missing/incomplete/wrong version library
14:22<s32raph>like when you are updating, the host is expecting commands like the packages are working properly
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14:22<s32raph>try downloading manually..
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14:23<avtobiff>i get this:
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14:24<pablo26>hi all, i have big issues with 7 servers based on nforce mcp55 pro chipset, when there is high activity they kernel panic all of them
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14:25<margiolas>hello can i have kde 4 session with packages from experimental?
14:25<s32raph>avtobiff: ok this is my first time saying this but i was right the first time
14:25<Supaplex>pablo26: what's the panic message about?
14:25<s32raph>avtobiff: next time read your output log b4 u say its not the solutions
14:25<Supaplex>!tell margiolas -about experimental
14:25<pablo26>its some MCE exeption
14:25<avtobiff>s32raph, ok. how does that help me? ;-)
14:25<pablo26>sync lost or something like that
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14:25<Supaplex>pablo26: that's pretty vague
14:25<s32raph>avtobiff: - look at line 102
14:25<s32raph>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:26<s32raph>ok i said before check your dependencies
14:26<avtobiff>s32raph, ok. sorry, missed that one.
14:26<s32raph>perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.8-11.1) but 5.8.8-12 is to be installed.
14:26<s32raph> libgnome-speech7: Conflicts: libgnome-speech3 but 1:0.3.10-2 is installed.
14:26<s32raph> hal-info: Conflicts: hal (< 0.5.10) but is installed and it is kept back.
14:26<pablo26>can i paste it here, its like 4 or 5 lines
14:26<s32raph>.. #debian: srry for semi-spam
14:27<s32raph>avtobiff: no problems, im noob too. my pleasure = )
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14:27<margiolas>Supaplex: i know that :) i asked something defferent
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14:29<pablo26>i dont think the seven servers have hardware issue
14:29<panagos>margiolas: normally you'll need to add experimental to your sources.list, install kde4, then re-login to X
14:29<Supaplex>margiolas: you asked if you *can*. I guess that depends on your ability and will ;)
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14:29<avtobiff>s32raph, thanks :-)
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14:30<margiolas>panagos: couldn't not find package kde4
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14:30<panagos>that's not the exact package name :)
14:30<k4k-laptop> I am currently in tty2 because my stupid self did a dist-upgrade to lenny without a lenny cd to use to get some of the important stuff...can I save this?
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14:31<Supaplex>pablo26: did you look into the command it suggests to run?
14:32<pablo26>i cant see anything there
14:32<Supaplex>run through mcelog --ascii to decode and contact your hardware vendor
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14:32<pablo26>i've tryed that
14:32<s32raph>avtobiff: no problem, this is newb stuff ; )
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14:33<Supaplex>pablo26: try? you installed mcelog? What did the command do? Did it tell you *anything*?
14:33<k4k>is there any way to upgrade the rest of my system to lenny, I upgraded everything except what was on the lenny cds I'm stuck in terminal
14:36<pablo26>yes i've installed it
14:36<panagos>margiolas: for instance, the core libraries for kde4 are in kdelibs5 (however weird that sounds :P)
14:36<pablo26>and i typed the command there and i get no output
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14:36<pablo26>just like a tail -f that keeps the cursor until you exit it
14:37<s32raph>dmesg > no-output.whatdidmycommand-do
14:37<s32raph>hahah = )
14:38<Supaplex>pablo26: strange. it says it should be run from cron on a regular basis to collect events. maybe the logbuffer is backlogged with old events? Based on the description, I think it keeps these in live kernel memory, but it's possible it could keep it in the machine somewhere
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14:38<s32raph>anyone like development ideas?
14:39<s32raph>preferably one of the debian devs?
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14:39<Supaplex>s32raph: dev ideas for what?
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14:39<pablo26>i think i'll have to build my own kernel
14:39<s32raph>anything, basically my target is a slipstream boot w/ splash and audio
14:39<nowhere_man>I don't really where to find the documentation: how can I find how to remove network devices (not set the down, actually remove them)?
14:40<s32raph>i have most of the concept in my head, just like feed back
14:40<s32raph>completely doable by my 16yr compy experience 'mental framework?!..'
14:40<Supaplex>nowhere_man: if the device isn't in use, remove the kernel module that it belongs to
14:40<s32raph>basically one of my first ideas is a command called "breathe"
14:41<nowhere_man>Supaplex: if I have two interfaces, one used and the other not, both managed by the same driver?
14:41<Supaplex>s32raph: if it's an idea specific to an existing debian package, you could file a wishlist bug on it
14:41<s32raph>no no, im all new
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14:41<Supaplex>nowhere_man: what are the interface names?
14:42<s32raph>basically it would put all processes on a "pause" and send the processor through some non-load cycles to cool it down and clear it
14:42<kernoman>arghhhhh etch and printing can anyone help me?
14:42<s32raph>could also be used to hold the system process while you need full power temporarily for another application
14:42<sneex>s32raph: what you are trying to 'invent' is called AIX lol
14:43<s32raph>funny cus the idea is more useful than i ever heard of b4
14:43<nowhere_man>Supaplex: I had two cases, one with dummy interfaces, dummy0 and dummy1
14:43<nowhere_man>the other one with peth1 created by Xen
14:43<Supaplex>nowhere_man: if you're using xen, don't meddle with the interfaces it's creating.
14:43<panagos>!tell kernoman about ask
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14:44<sneex>s32raph: it's a software controller event scheduler that has the CPU wait for semaphores and stuff...
14:44[~]Supaplex stamps "Motorolla" on razorboy's forehead ;)
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14:44<kernoman>panagos: Ive searched the net for days now and haev got nowhere, it either prints very slowly or not at all..
14:46<s32raph>im not talking about "wait" im talking about "pause" and run the processor through graded processes to warm/cool while maintaining (possibly building) hw integrity
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14:46<sneex>s32raph: what do you think a normal processor is doing while waiting?
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14:46<panagos>kernoman: sorry, i'm no printing guru... :P can't help just like that
14:46<Supaplex>kernoman: what's the printer?
14:47<s32raph>well for one thing it still has voltage going through it, ive never heard of a process that minimizes that while "flexing" the processor
14:47<kernoman>epson r300 usb, prints fine on other distros but not etch which I have running on my linkstation
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14:48<Supaplex> this one?
14:48<s32raph>kernoman: define how etch is not 'printing fine'
14:48<s32raph>kernoman: or describe rather..
14:48<Supaplex>he said slow, and 'not at all'. but dind't say if there are any other symptoms with 'not at all' like logs or program behaivor etc
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14:49<s32raph>kernoman: if its slow, check your memory usage, check the xfer rates on other usb devices in the same port. if it prints not at all, check the print spooler, check logs
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14:49<s32raph>kernoman/Supaplex: yes/no/maybe so?
14:50<Supaplex>s32raph: did you read what else he said? he said it works in other distros ok.
14:50<kernoman>s32raph: various problems, it either prints incredibly slow - 15 mins to do a test print, ive reverted back to an earlier version of gs-esp to see if that helps but makes no difference. The only think I see in the logs is cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided everything else looks ok
14:50<s32raph>yeah, doesnt mean his distro is working correctly with his usb or if he doesnt have an old file stuck in his spooler
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14:50<s32raph>kernoman: thats good log, that helps, sec..
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14:51<kernoman>spoolers clear of jobs, its ruinning on a 64mb linkstation which has a 400mhz mipsel processor
14:51<Supaplex>kernoman: the linux printing site suggests gimp print. did you try that?
14:51<panagos>kernoman: try printing as root
14:52<s32raph>kernoman: first, i dont believe in that clearing logs, i read a post from a man who cleared a 75m file from his spooler that was 'cleared' 2nd. that auth is pretty good, id say thats your root
14:52<s32raph>fuck that
14:52<s32raph>dont print as root
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14:52<s32raph>if anything
14:52<s32raph>sudo print
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14:52<kernoman>i have tried as root, i connect to cups front end and authenticate as root each time i send the test print. Im using the guten print drivers, tried installing the gimp drivers biut it always puts in guten!?
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14:52<s32raph>kernoman: what does the log say when you run as root
14:53[~]Supaplex just sits and watches s32raph panic with hysteria
14:53<Supaplex>have fun with that...
14:53<s32raph>always do
14:53<s32raph>the ppl who ask me questions never stress me
14:53<s32raph>= )
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14:54<s32raph>do you have the root print > #debian yet?
14:54<s32raph>kernoman: ^
14:54<kernoman>sorry dont understand your question?
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14:56<kernoman>s32raph: ?
14:56<panagos>O_O -_- O_O
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14:56<s32raph>kernoman: can i have the output log from when u printed as root plz?
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14:57<dynamitedj>how can i upgrade from sarge to etch?
14:57<kernoman>yeah give me a mo and i will get it, where do you want me to put it
14:57<JasonS>!tell dynamitedj about sarge->etch
14:57<sneex>dist-upgrade ?
14:57<dynamitedj>yeah i did those but what about the sources?
14:58<s32raph>msg me
14:58<s32raph>kernoman: msg it to me, ill post relavant to chat
14:58<JasonS>dynamitedj: what about them?
14:58<dynamitedj>well don't i need specific sources for etch as all mine are set to sarge
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14:59<kernoman>s32raph: ok but its long
14:59<JasonS>dynamitedj: then i dont think you read and understood all that dpkg said
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15:00<s32raph>kernoman: do er' up
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15:00<kernoman>s32raph: running a test print now, its stuck on processing page.. will give it a min and then send you the log
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15:00<s32raph>kernoman: for sure, <3 multitasking
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15:01<panagos>kernoman: note that, generally, stable can have pretty old drivers...
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15:02<panagos>for example, my sound ssytem didn't work with stable, but it works with testing :D
15:02<dynamitedj>no offence JasonS but i've read it 5 times now i was on freenode for a while tryin to get help and was told several different things .... i just want a smooth transition from sarge to etch as my sarge for some reason won't do PHP files and i can't for the life of me find out why
15:03<Myon>you need to ask concrete questions
15:03<dynamitedj>doesn't matter, thanks anyway
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15:03<myki>Hello. May anyone help me with imagemagic/convert. I'm looking for a switch to crop white border from image. Tex formula is saved as A4, so there's plenty of unneeded whitespace.
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15:04<Myon> -crop geometry cut out a rectangular region of the image
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15:04<myki>Myon, provided you know the geometry.
15:04<s32raph>myki: why not crop the hex value of the whitespace?
15:04<myki>Myon: the point is, I don't know the width of exact formula
15:05<Myon>I vaguely remember some autocrop switch
15:05<Myon>is it just a single image or lots?
15:05<Myon>cause gimp might work better for one
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15:06<myki>It's latex interface for webpage. Someone's posting through POST the formulae and I'm returning images
15:06<myki>sorry, lots actually :)
15:07<Myon>hmm, I'd have a look how latex2html does it, that creates images
15:07<s32raph>myki: ok, maybe this helps, again try this
15:07<s32raph>myki: get the HEX value of the COLOR of the WHITESPACE and CROP IT
15:07<myki>got it, trim
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15:08<myki>s32raph: hint with the switch for cropping by color?
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15:08<s32raph>myki: replace it with some argument like "if _hex color_ shrink canvas until _crop_color_hex_whitespace_color_ == (_hex color_ == 0)
15:09<myki>s32raph: Myon -trim is auto-crop, sorry for hassling you both
15:09<s32raph>myki: im not sure what the switch is, but i know that the logic is pretty ownage = )
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15:09<s32raph>nps, but it did inspire a good idea for new cropping i would think
15:09<s32raph>myki: ^
15:09<s32raph>crop by outer image hex color = )
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15:11<s32raph>kernoman: hey, if you send logs next time, try to send them with line #'s = )
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15:13<Stiflar>what the fuck
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15:15<s32raph>kernoman: i found a bunch of stuff, r u here? i cant msg u yet
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15:15<s32raph>anyone know how to dump bash to a log?
15:15<kop>(Sorry, I'm back now. )I'm running stable (etch) and gnome. When the screensaver "login" dialog comes up it shows some sgml(?). "<span size="x-large">myname</span>. How do i get rid of the markup?
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15:16<s32raph>kop: check screensave .conf?
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15:18<Myon>sounds like there's a gtk_foo_set_markup() missing
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15:19<RaSeBo>s32raph, where can i find screensaver .conf?
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15:19<kop>s32ralph: There's no .xscreensaver or .Xdefaults file.
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15:19<kop>RaSeBo : (That's where man xscreensaver says the conf is.)
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15:20<kernoman_>s32raph: ?
15:20<kop>Although to be honest I've no clue even what screensaver is running. Everything is default AFAIK.
15:20<s32raph>kernoman_: hey i found a bunch of errors, ill msg u
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15:20<kernoman_>s32raph: ok thx
15:20<Myon>xscreensaver probably
15:20<s32raph>kernoman_: just make sure to give me props in channel = )
15:20<kot>can help me for pppoe ?
15:20<kernoman_>s32raph: of course :o)
15:20<kop>!tell kot -about ask
15:20<Myon>kot: tried pppoeconf?
15:21<kot>i can connect to debian server from xp
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15:21<kot>but i cant go to internet
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15:21<kop>kot: And you can get to the net from the debian box?
15:22<kot>even from xp , if im not connected to pppoe-server
15:22<kot>if i connect to pppoe server i cannot go to internet
15:22<kot>my xp gets the dns
15:23<kot>and in the gw it has his own address
15:23<kop>kot: It's not pppoe, it's "masquerading" and sysctl's ip_forwarding you need to look into. Although now I'm not sure how your boxes are plugged together....
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15:23<kot>ip_forwarding =1
15:23<kop>kot: Maybe dhcpd too.
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15:23<kot>my box conects to switch
15:24<kot>internet - switch = deb/win
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15:25<kop>I've run into the problem with markup in the screensaver before, after upgrading from testing to stable as etch became stable. But I recall nothing about the fix. maybe a dpkg-reconfigure of something, or a package reinstall?
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15:25<kop>kot: So, the debian and the windows box are the same box. Right?
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15:25<kot>2 pc - 1 switch - 1 lan connected to internet
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15:26<kop>kot: Just how does the internet connect directly into a switch?
15:26<kot>is ok that my xp clients puts as its own gw on the ppp interface his own ip ?
15:26<Myon>kop: could be a broken translation
15:26<kot>its from an internet-caffe at the 1st floor of my building
15:27<s32raph>kot: sounds like your pppoe server is not configured for your switch.. OoO
15:27<s32raph>kot: hence why u connect normally with both o/s but not with ppoe
15:28<s32raph>kot: check switch settings for enabling/.configure your switch
15:28<kot>dont think so.
15:28<kop>I suspect the problem is that you can't have both the XP and the debian box do pppoe. One or the other should do pppoe and the other box should plug into that. I could be wrong. It just seems like the ISP would not let it happen.
15:28<s32raph>kot: well pppoe is a seperate protocol is it not?
15:28<kot>its a unmanaged
15:28<kot>my pppoe-server is the debian box
15:29<kot>just a pointer in the kernel
15:29<s32raph>kot: setup your debian (pppoe) to accept your other box on the same switch
15:29<RaSeBo>kop, you are right. the only sollution the use both boxes would be to connect a router to the pppoe line, and then each boxes to the router
15:29<s32raph>kot: the idea of a switch is a toggle, not simultaneous connection
15:29<s32raph>kot: you are trying to run both same time, you need to tell the switch this (DO NOT SWITCH, RUN BOTH IN PPPOE)
15:30<s32raph>kot: also configure both boxes to share the pppoe appropriately?
15:30<kot>dont think so
15:30<kot>because i can ssh on debian from the pppoe connection
15:30<k4k>is anyone here running lenny that can help me out, I need to know the CD entry for sources.list that you have
15:31<kop>RaSeBo: Could use the debian box as a router; have it do pppoe to the net and do dhcp, masquerading, and ip forwarding for a local lan. (Which could be 1 box plugged in via a crossover cable.)
15:31<kot>its more probable a nat prob
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15:32<kot>can u answer this ? is ok that my xp clients puts as its own gw on the ppp interface his own ip ?
15:32<kot>and not the debian ppp interface address ?
15:32<RaSeBo>yes kop, the only disadvantage is that he would always have to have the box that is connected to the pppoe line powered on. consumes too much power and all....
15:32<RaSeBo>but by al means the solution that you proposed is fully functional
15:33<kot>my debian is headless and monitor-less
15:33<kot>poorman solution
15:34<dutchy>kot: a $20 box will do all that and consume a lot less power.
15:34<jcpiza>use a braille
15:34<kot>can s.o tell me ? is ok that my xp clients puts as its own gw on the ppp interface his own ip ?
15:35<kot>dutchy : i agree with you , but i use it for tests
15:35<jcpiza>PS3 with braille is the most powerful system of the entire world!
15:35<kot>i think that its a gw prob or nat prob
15:35<jcpiza>you don't need a TV
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15:36<kot>or another prob maybe the mtu/mru
15:36<akadna>Is this the right forum, if i got a problem with my debian/linux ?
15:36<kot>but the more probable (i think so) is the gateway problem
15:37<RaSeBo>yes akadna
15:37<akadna>:) im total newbee on irc....
15:37<kot>my xp uses its own pppoe`s ip as its own gateway
15:38<kot>any help ?
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15:40<akadna>but my problem is. Im running debian in a vmware setup, no problems there...but. Needed to change some network adapter, and now i don't have any net on the server....
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15:40<akadna>the server find eth0, but 'can't' use it.
15:40<RaSeBo>sory mate, i don;t have any real experience with pppoe... maybe kop or s32raph can help you
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15:40<kot>akadna:maybe you net to set up the gateway
15:40<kot>route add default gw 192.168.......
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15:40<akadna>If i do a ifup i such device....failed to brung up eth0
15:40<Eternal_Bliss>i'm following the steps for formatting a memory stick(USB) and when i try to boot from it, i get a "Boot error"...
15:40<akadna>I can't set route up, i don't got any interface...
15:40<kot>akadna : ifconfig eth0 down
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15:41<kot>akadna : ifconfig eth0 put-ip-here netmask put-netmask-here up
15:43<akadna>still the same, 'No such device'
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15:43<akadna>But when the server boot up, I can see it find the eth0 was vmware network adapter
15:43<kot>akadna: maybe you diabled it from vmware
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15:43<kop><akadna> /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules is where debian keeps your nics.
15:43<kop><akadna> : It probably still remembers the old nic.
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15:43<akadna>eth0 got a new macid after change, can it be that?
15:43<k4k>hmm...interesting...something just happened, bbl
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15:44<akadna>Can anyone tell me, how the find the eth0's macaddr?
15:44<vmware>ifconfig -a
15:45<Eternal_Bliss>are there any special network install cd's with extra drivers?
15:45<akadna>weird, i got eth1 but not eth0
15:46<witte>!tell akadna about z25
15:46<kop>akadna : The persistant rules are wierd that way. It's because of laptop plug-in nics, or so I'm told.
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15:48<akadna>aha, is it because the eth0 is looking on the wrong macaddr? I so, can i just change it
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15:48<kot>!tell kot about z25
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15:48<kop>akadna : yes. (Assumeing you change it to the right value. I'm vmware clueless.)
15:49<kot>!tell kot about pppoe
15:49<witte>!tell kot about selftell
15:49<akadna>That will be greath, now i just need to find the macaddr of the network adapter connected to the server
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15:53<mindy>I've just installed Gutsy, and my system will not boot to the default kernel (2.6.22). The system hangs at io registration whenever my USB keyboard is plugged in. The keyboard is Wireless and requires USB power to work, so a USB->PS2 adapter won't solve. Thus I've been fine running 2.6.17.
15:53<mindy>I seem to have problems with 2.6.22 and io=cfq
15:53<mindy>How can I change the io scheduler from the grub prompt?
15:53<witte>mindy, this is not #ubuntu
15:53<mindy>sorry witte.
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15:54<akadna>kop, witti >> Thanks !!!!!
15:54<akadna>It worked
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15:57<akadna>The file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules contains info for eth0-2 - is this normal or is just eth0 requied ?
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15:58<s32raph>#debian: query.. any questions still in process? im sort of multi-tasking
15:58<s32raph>_ooc: dont want to dump the log to figureout what everyone is talking about ; )
15:58<s32raph>$ /nick lazy
15:59<kot>pppoe ? wanna taol ?
15:59<kot>talk ?
15:59<s32raph>kot: sur, msg
15:59<Eternal_Bliss>is there a special net cd with more drivers ?
15:59<witte>Eternal_Bliss: you mean an installer with newer kernel?
16:00<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: see the Debian cd archive, there is a netdist
16:00<witte>!etch 2.6.23
16:00<dpkg>etch 2.6.23 is probably kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
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16:00<Eternal_Bliss>well, it won't detect my cdrom, and it's not that it's a new cdrom but because it's a brand new motherboard
16:00<Eternal_Bliss>so thought there are newer cd's with new drivers and such
16:00<kot>does my kernel support pppoe server ?
16:01<witte>try the cd with 2.6.23, that should work
16:01<kot>uname -a -> Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
16:01<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: what wont detect? are you in a shell or gui?
16:01<Eternal_Bliss>ty witte
16:01<s32raph>kot: dont worry about support, yeah it probably does. what is ur latest "question"
16:02<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: gui
16:02<dpkg>gui is, like, (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli, or
16:02<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: it says cannot detect cdrom at the cdrom/media phase
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16:02<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: then its the "media deamon", try restarting it
16:03<Eternal_Bliss>i've tried multiple times to install it, does that count as restarting the deamon?
16:03<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: see if you can -f a "base" driver set for it?
16:03<s32raph>^: install the cd or the deamon?
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16:06<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: whered you get the drivers for your cd? are they included with your distribution?
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16:06<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: also check to see if the media deamon has an update
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16:06<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: i didn't get any drivers, didnt think i needed to find them. if i try ubuntu it loads up fine
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16:07<Eternal_Bliss>in a minute i'm finishing to download the 2.6.23 etch iso so i'll try that
16:07<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: dont abandon your distro cus your cd isint working, you got it installed after all didnt u?
16:07<s32raph>= )
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16:08<Eternal_Bliss>i'm stuck at the installation part
16:08<kot>is this mind control s32raph ?
16:08<Andy[1]>I'm new to the debian/linux world, just downloaded the single install cd and installed packets off the net, whenever i re boot I see linux booting then it gos to a black screen andy ideas?
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16:08<PetaWindows>Eternal_Bliss: why?
16:08<Eternal_Bliss>PetaWindows: installation won't detect my cdrom.
16:08<kot>andy maybe is a X problem ?
16:08<witte>Andy[1]: a black screen with a log in prompt or a total black screen?
16:08<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: afaik the media deamon can't be loaded until later in the install, hence how are you getting the installation started?
16:09<Andy[1]>total black!! I think it may be when to gui is loading?
16:09<PetaWindows>Eternal_Bliss: then the installation doesn't begin?
16:09<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: it starts the gui and after i select the keyboard/keyset it goes to the cdrom/media phase and it says cannot detect cdrom... i find it odd as well as it booted from it
16:09<akadna>A last question (for now, i think) If a copy/clone a debian/linux server, are there any other places i need to change other that the /etc/hostname (and ip addr)
16:09<witte>s32raph: probably his MB is to new (new ide controller) for the etch installer to find out, maybe it just works with 2.6.23
16:10<witte>Andy[1]: try ctrl-alt-F1
16:10<witte>log in as root
16:10<witte>and then do the following:
16:10<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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16:10<s32raph>witte: eternal should be able to -f the base drivers that allowed the installation though
16:10<Eternal_Bliss>the mb is quite new, G33 chipset
16:10<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: what you mean -f ?
16:11<s32raph>eternal_bliss: basically the deamon is trying to enable the new features that it cant support, look in the docs for a suspend-unsupported-features
16:11<s32raph>! -f
16:11<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: by -f i mean - -force
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16:11<Eternal_Bliss>in the boot command line?
16:12<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: mediad -f base-drivers
16:12<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: no, its a parameter that some commands can use
16:12<Eternal_Bliss>sorry i'm not the most expert linux person :P
16:12<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: again, please read the media deamon docs, see if you can force the basic driver mode for your cdrom
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16:12<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: same same, all I do; listen listen learn speak
16:13<trash80>Eros = Erotic; Erotic + Dream = Wet Dream sidux
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16:13<witte>s32raph: if i am correct, Eternal_Bliss is still in the install phase... and I do not know what you mean with the media daemon
16:13<Andy[1]>now heres my problem, I know very little about linux I see the boot screen scroll, the monitor reports no signal, ctrl+alt F1 dose nothing, but when should i press it during boot of once the screen goes black?
16:14<witte>Andy[1]: when you have the black screen
16:14<Eternal_Bliss>i am at the install phase, witte.
16:14<Andy[1]>Arrr yes, I did that and still no responce :(
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16:14<PetaWindows>Eternal_Bliss: curious... it might be an error from the CD, probably the iso had errors or the iso burning was not good at all...
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16:15<witte>Andy[1]: do you have an other pc next to it
16:15<witte>Andy[1]: with ssh?
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16:16<Andy[1]>yes the one I'm connected to the net with.
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16:16<Andy[1]>sorry ssh?
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16:16<witte>Andy[1]: do you happen to know if you installed an ssh server on the debian machine?
16:16<dpkg>it has been said that ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
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16:17<Andy[1]>During the install process I chose Desktop GUI, File Server and Standard install, if that helps?
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16:18<Eternal_Bliss>witte: the etch iso is the same as the network ones?
16:18<witte>the 2.6.23?
16:18<witte>well, it has a newer kernel
16:19<witte>so newer drivers?
16:19<witte>or do you mean it still does not work?
16:19<Andy[1]>Well I just had a look for the copmputer I set up on our net work and I can see it!!!
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16:19<Eternal_Bliss>trying now, i mean the installation process is the same?
16:19<witte>try to ssh to it
16:19<Eternal_Bliss>just newer kernel?
16:19<witte>use ssh username@host-ip
16:20<witte>Eternal_Bliss: that is were de drivers are
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16:20<Eternal_Bliss>"No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
16:20<Eternal_Bliss>^ etch 2.6.23
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16:21<Andy[1]>Is there any way to stop the GUI from loading during boot?
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16:22<witte>Andy[1]: you can start in single user mode
16:22<Andy[1]>I'll giv that a crack
16:23<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: go into your bios, disable the high-end supports for your cd, try again
16:23<witte>Eternal_Bliss: looking at an online forum: someone suggested setting the drives to enhanced instead of auto in the bios worked...
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16:23<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: when u successfully install, try turning them back on one by one
16:24<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: yes yes, thx witte, good idea. enhanced way better than auto, tells me that the bios will try to tell the software whats going on instead of the software probing (see also raping) the bios to figure out how to support the cd
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16:25<apeitheo>Is there any reason why alsa is so unstable? Sometimes when I boot up, some speakers don't work (e.g. the front speakers), or the volume is extremely high, or low). It never seems to just stay stable.
16:25<Eternal_Bliss>going to check it now, thanks for the tips
16:25<Andy[1]>ok got to the command prompt as roon is there any way to configure the gui, I thin it may be a gxf card problem?
16:25<apeitheo>I have a soundblaster 5.1 live
16:26<Andy[1]>I ment root
16:26<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
16:26<witte>!set up x
16:26<dpkg>to install x in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. if you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your x server, ask me about <drxx>
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16:29<Andy[1]>Ah Ha! I says it cannot detect my vid card..... I'll try a few things, might replace it with another model!
16:30<witte>Andy[1]: lspci
16:30<witte>Andy[1]: better: lspci |grep VGA
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16:33<s32raph>no word back from eternal_bliss, maybe got it right this time ; )
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16:35<Eternal_Bliss>s32raph: nop :(, downloading the testing .iso now... i've heard it might help
16:35<s32raph>fuck new isos
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16:35<s32raph>u got it installing that means somewhere along the line your cd has enough support to install
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16:36<s32raph>basically the installer is getting greedy by saying if you dont support my deamon im quitting
16:36<s32raph>#debian: which is bullshit
16:36<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: look in the cd boot options (like when u go to install) see if there is an option for 'failsafe'
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16:39<Andy[1]>Replaced GFX card all good now, thanks guys ;)
16:39<godplay>anyone know of a deb package to convert a dvd (vob) to xvid? mencoder doesn't seem to be a part of mplayer
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16:45<K4k-laptop>ok, so when you go to System > preferences, there should be a thing to edit the gnome menu...but there isn't, how do I get that back>
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16:45<s32raph>Eternal_Bliss: any luck? ; )
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16:46<K4k-laptop>Knowpix, do you know where in there it is located?
16:46<Knowpix>$ gconf-editor
16:46<s32raph>K4k-laptop: you should read the docs..
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16:46<s32raph>!tell s32raph gnome
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16:49<s32raph>im just killin'em today
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16:49<ruthmann>hey im looking for a good program to rip internet radio stations
16:50<ruthmann>but i want it to save in 20minute mp3 files
16:50<JasonS>s32raph: its your charm
16:50<ruthmann>any suggestions?
16:50<ruthmann>like castripper for windows
16:50<K4k-laptop>s32raph, I'm back
16:51<s32raph>Krk-laptop: howd that work out? did u find a terminal shortcut for the system?
16:53<K4k-laptop>s32raph, no, I had to restart x to get it to use the proper network manager, now I'm trying to figure out how to get synaptic package manager back on my menu >.<
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16:53<s32raph>Krk-laptop: should be an option in the sys console for menu items..
16:54<s32raph>K4k-laptop: make sure u run as your user name, not root, dont want all those options available to the haxxors ; )
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16:55<K4k-laptop>s32raph, thanks, it also wouldn't change the menu for the proper profile either
16:55<K4k-laptop>forgot this isn't ubuntu, synaptic is under applications not system here..
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16:58<K4k-laptop>hey, is this one package or multiple ones?
16:58<K4k-laptop> Depends: linux-latest-modules-2.6.22-2-686
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17:02<s32raph>K4k-laptop: depends how you look at it, if you only need one module its one package ; )
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17:02<K4k-laptop>s32raph, I'm trying to get the ipw3945 modules for my new kernel, but it says I need that package that I posted previously
17:02<K4k-laptop>but in searching for it I can't find it
17:03<s32raph>what u need is your new kernel _source_ installed first
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17:03<K4k-laptop>ok, that's what i was wondering, thank you
17:04<s32raph>then ipw will update automatically, (i think)
17:04<K4k-laptop>I had ipw on my previous kernel but it didn't
17:04<s32raph>K4k-laptop: ^ been using linux like a week now, hahaha im such a noob
17:04<K4k-laptop>should it have?
17:04<s32raph>not necessarily
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17:04<s32raph>installing the kernel and having the kernel source installed are two different deamons
17:05<K4k-laptop>yea I know
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17:05<K4k-laptop>I've gotten the kernel source many times before
17:05<K4k-laptop>I just wasn't aware that for a module you needed the source
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17:05<K4k-laptop>my understanding was that modules worked in conjunction with existing packaged kernels
17:06<s32raph>K4k-laptop: sometimes modules need a kernel _source_ to work with because they actively change the kernel source to accomodate the insmod functions
17:06<K4k-laptop>interesting, I will have to look into that
17:06<s32raph>K4k-laptop: and your right, they do work with the existing kernel, but cannot work with the active kernel
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17:07<K4k-laptop>ok...well I'm not in .22-2 I'm booted currently into .22-3 so that shouldn't be a problem
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17:08<K4k-laptop>I should try booting into 22.2 anyway though because I don't see any modules or anything for .22-3 in the repositories
17:08<s32raph>no no no
17:09<s32raph>K4k-laptop: there is no guarentee your module will work with the kernel you USE if you COMPILE/CONFIG against another VERSION
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17:09<K4k-laptop>i know
17:09<K4k-laptop>that's what I'm saying though
17:09<s32raph>K4k-laptop: basically if you compile against the old kernel, you run the risk of an unsupported function when you load the new kernel up. download the kernel source of your working version
17:09<sidd>hey guys what program can I use to sync videos to my Ipod
17:10<K4k-laptop>I don't know why I'm not using .22-2, it was just that .22-3 was the first in menu.lst when I booted so I picked it for fun
17:10<s32raph>K4k-laptop: i see what your saying, but my concern would be if configuring alters the WORKING kernel source, know what i mean
17:10<K4k-laptop>sidd, have you tried rhytmbox?
17:11<sidd>no I will give it a shot
17:11<s32raph>K4k-laptop: also, i have yet to see a document that says, boot into an old kernel to compile against the kernel you want. all say download the kernel _source_ of the one you want to use, and compile against it seperately
17:11<K4k-laptop>s32raph, yea I see what your saying too...I'm thinking I am going to reboot before I do anything though and pick that other kernel instead
17:12<s32raph>K4k-laptop: expect to have many unsupported/unloaded modules then..
17:12<K4k-laptop>I already have many unloaded modules
17:12<s32raph>#debian: anyone else see a kernel panic in the making here?
17:12<K4k-laptop>I'm starting from scratch here basically
17:13<s32raph>K4k-laptop: theres always that = )
17:13<s32raph>K4k-laptop: why are you trying to do this again?
17:13<K4k-laptop>long story, but basically I tried to update to lenny from etch without the lenny cd and it messed itself up
17:13<K4k-laptop>because it removed all of the stuff from etch and didn't re-install the stuff for lenny
17:14<K4k-laptop>so I had to get the CD and start adding stuff in manually like gnome
17:14<K4k-laptop>and network-manager
17:14<JasonS>you dont need lenny cds to update from etch, if you do it correctly
17:14<K4k-laptop>JasonS, I'm assuming I didn't do it correctly
17:14<JasonS>heh indeed
17:14<K4k-laptop>because when I booted I had no Gnome and couldn't start it
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17:15<K4k-laptop>When I get off work I will probably end up just re-installing from my testing DVD image, but right now I don't have it and just really needed to save my term paper off my laptop before I tried anything, right now I'm just seeing if I can for the most part
17:16<s32raph>k4k-laptop: suggestion? start with running your etch and the lenny cd in the drive, try to install the complete lenny modules, remove them after you install (etch w/o lenny update cd)
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17:16<K4k-laptop>but in reality, I just realized I have a seperate /home I didn't need to do that...crap
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17:16<K4k-laptop>s32raph, I have no idea what you just said, but I think that's what I just did
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17:17<K4k-laptop>I'm updating about 400 packages right now though, so maybe one of those is what I need
17:17[~]K4k-laptop prays
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17:19<s32raph>K4k-laptop: basically what im saying is install everything from the lenny update cd, install your etch, then remove the unused lenny modules..
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17:21<s32raph>K4k-laptop: good idea? yes.. /no... /maybe so?
17:21<kernoman_>whois s32raph
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17:21<K4k-laptop>s32raph, no idea, sounds overly complicated though
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17:22<RaSeBo>also sounds really stupid
17:22<kernoman_>(whois s32raph)
17:22<K4k-laptop>I think I'm just going to reformat my root partition when I get home with the lenny dvd I have and just re-apply my /home partition to it
17:22<K4k-laptop>that will fix all
17:22<s32raph>try $ /whois s43raph = )
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17:23<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, you do have /home on another partition, right?
17:23<s32raph>RaSeBo: basically hes trying to update update lenny from an etch without the cd. i think he should install his lenny cd to etch, then update from lenny from etch, then go back to lenny
17:23<s32raph>srry, update lenny from etch after the module full isntall
17:24<K4k-laptop>RaSeBo, yes
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17:24<regomodo>how do i set an environment variable for the iscan package?
17:25<RaSeBo>oh K4k-laptop you are trying to upgrade from etch to lenny?
17:25<K4k-laptop>yes, and I goofed
17:25<RaSeBo>how so?
17:25<K4k-laptop>update to lenny, reboot, no gui
17:25<K4k-laptop>install gnome, no apps
17:25<K4k-laptop>everything just sorta died
17:26<K4k-laptop>When I did apt-get dist-upgrade I commented out the line for the etch CD since it was giving errors
17:27<K4k-laptop>and I think I needed to replace that with the Lenny update CD or something
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17:27<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, do/did you have internet connectivity on that pc?
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17:27<K4k-laptop>I'm on that computer right now
17:27<K4k-laptop>so I know I have it now
17:28<s32raph>K4k-laptop: id like to help, but i need to see your logs, do you have any way to export to irc?
17:28<K4k-laptop>and the only stuff I got from the updates was I had it then
17:28<K4k-laptop>s32raph, no
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17:29<RaSeBo>no logs no fun...
17:29<K4k-laptop>tbh the easiest way i figure to fix this is to reformat with the lenny dvd, so I think that's all I'm going to do...
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17:29<s32raph>can you get into a shell from your original etch image?
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17:30<K4k-laptop>...I don't have the original etch image
17:30<K4k-laptop>I'm in lenny right now
17:30<kotkotkotk>does s.o know where to get help on pppoe on debian ?
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17:32<K4k-laptop>yay, I got my main menu thing back, maybe I won't have to re-install now
17:32<K4k-laptop>it's all basically back to normal after that update, just gotta get my ipw drivers working now
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17:33<K4k-laptop>and there are the modules I needed!
17:33<s32raph>K4k-laptop ftw hahaha
17:33<K4k-laptop>lol yup, new sources.list ftw
17:33<K4k-laptop>I found a list of lenny sources I didn't have
17:34<kernoman_>I just want to make it known that s32raph is a scholar and a gentleman - you could learn a lot from that guy!
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17:34<K4k-laptop>so I grabbed those and lo and behold were working
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17:37<RaSeBo>gentleman? hah
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17:40<Icekillre>hey, for some reason i can't get my usb sound to work
17:40<Icekillre>dmesg says it found it but debian itself doesn't (alsa)
17:40<Icekillre>[ 4804.028463] input: USB AUDIO as /class/input/input7
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17:45<K4k-laptop>Ok, so now it's saying that network manager and network manager gnome are not working properly...
17:45<K4k-laptop>error code 1
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17:47<K4k-laptop>ok, so apt-get upgrade brings up that network-manager and network-manager-gnome both need to be updated, but says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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17:47<K4k-laptop>hmm...maybe it needs cd 2...
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17:50<K4k-laptop>nope, that wasn't it
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17:50<K4k-laptop>anyone have an idea what error code (1) is?
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17:52<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, what's you sources.list ?
17:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
17:52<K4k-laptop>yes, thank you I will throw it up online right now, I need to clean it out so just beware
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17:54<K4k-laptop>but like i said, beware, very very messy
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17:56<s32raph>anyone know why my libsysfs-dev says it cant find the package?
17:56<s32raph>i.e. apt=get install libsysfs-dev
17:56<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, you should only need these:
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17:56<K4k-laptop>I'm commenting out all of the sid stuff, I did't see those before
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17:57<kurumin>Qual é a lingua mae deste chat?
17:57<K4k-laptop>RaseBo: I'll look into your suggestions, thanks
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17:57<kurumin>Ahh, já deu para ver
17:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:59<K4k-laptop>hmm...well I'm not terribly worried about the error, it seems that everything else works just fine
17:59<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, move sources.list to sources.list.bak (for example) and create a new sources.list containing only the lines from what i pasted
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17:59<s32raph>"Couldn't find package libsysfs-dev" but im staring right at it, anyone have an idea?
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18:00<kurumin>Give me a good motiv for I not uninstalled this shit!!!
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18:02<K4k-laptop>kurumin: could you please try to clarify that a little, it was hard to understand
18:02<K4k-laptop>what is your native language?
18:03<K4k-laptop>RaSeBo, I made a sources.list containing just what you told me and i still get the error code 1
18:04<K4k-laptop>er...error code 1 on network-manager and dependancy missing on network-manager-gnome
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18:04<RaSeBo>K4k-laptop, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:04<K4k-laptop>I did that
18:05<K4k-laptop>still got the errors
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18:10<K4k-laptop>RaSeBo, I'm running through some fixes I'm finding in some forums and those aren't fixing it either
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18:13<K4k-laptop>Does the info on that post give anyone any ideas?
18:13<K4k-laptop>that was doing sudo apt-get -f install
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18:17<ulrik>on lenny, I can't have totem open any play music in rhythmobx and vice versa
18:17<ulrik>if one is running (not playing), I can't start playback in the other
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18:19<ulrik>rather, I can start playback in totem and get no sound, in rhythmbox it errors out with "Gstreamer: state change failed"; the first of these two apps to be started works as it should. I just have to figure out how to search for all debian bugs by subject
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18:21<s32raph>my apt-get doesnt seem to be working, any suggestions?
18:21<s32raph>maybe aptitude install apt-get?
18:22<witte>!doesn't work
18:22<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
18:23<s32raph>look fuck face, doesnt work means i know enough about linux to say that the fucking program isint working properly
18:23<s32raph>thank you for the useless sarcasm and provoking me
18:23<s32raph>let me rephrase for your #debian-ego
18:23<witte>s32raph: keep your comments for yourself
18:23<s32raph>oh look, dpkg doesnt know that one
18:24<witte>s32raph: if you want to be helped, explain, otherwise complain to your mother
18:24<s32raph>say my mothers name again ill traceroute your ip and smash your face in asshole
18:24<s32raph>before you started to greif me i was saying
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18:24<s32raph>apt-get keeps telling me package not found when i just finished installing 3 packages successfully
18:25<bronaugh>s32raph: calm down.
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18:25<s32raph>bronaugh: for sure, but bringing my mom up after being sarcastic to me.. maybe there should be a -intelligence flag for this chat?
18:25<noflash> /ignore -replies s32raph
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18:26<bronaugh>s32raph: so did you use apt-cache to find out if the package is available?
18:26<s32raph>im not familiar with apt-cache
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18:26<s32raph>basically im trying to use debian to get my laptop online to learn how to use debian
18:26<bronaugh>s32raph: I'd suggest you start with ubuntu then.
18:26<s32raph>ironic and really really hard
18:26<s32raph>oooOohhh no
18:26<s32raph>no way
18:26<noflash>worked for me ;)
18:26<bronaugh>s32raph: gets rid of all the really annoying crap.
18:26<s32raph>im doing exceptional
18:26<s32raph>i like debian
18:26<s32raph>im not goin anywhere
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18:27<bronaugh>s32raph: oookay. well; I suggest you read up on apt-cache.
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18:27<bronaugh>s32raph: you might gain some insight into how the package system works that way.
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18:28<s32raph>workin on it = )
18:28<s32raph>i dont mean for ppl to spell things out for me, if they can point me what command i need, i can search the rest
18:28<bronaugh>the important bit is "searcH"
18:29<bronaugh>you can search through the listing of available packages for a specific package or such.
18:29<bronaugh>plenty of other neat stuff you can do too, but that's key.
18:30<s32raph>does it matter where a .deb is on my system for apt-get to find it?
18:30<bronaugh>apt-get doesn't deal with debs you've downloaded.
18:30<bronaugh>it goes -out- and gets the packages (and their dependencies) fory ou.
18:30<TheGardener>im trying to set up ndiswrapper-1.50 on a computer that only has use of the command line. anyone up for it
18:30<bronaugh>if you just want to install a package you've downloaded (rarely a good idea) you can use dpkg -i <package>
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18:32<s32raph>ok now i learned something
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18:32<s32raph>when i ran that it said the package i tried to apt-get was previously deselected..
18:33<bronaugh>ie, not installed...
18:33<witte>TheGardener: the simple sid backport of yesterday did not work?
18:33<witte>TheGardener: or you have it installed and want to configure it now?
18:34<s32raph>bronaugh: yea foshizzle, got my make file working though thx ; )
18:34<TheGardener>witte: when i make distclean i get cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build, is it configured
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18:36<witte>TheGardener: during which step? I don't use ndiswrapper myself...
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18:37<TheGardener>its the first step after installing
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18:40<amphi>TheGardener: what does /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build point to, if it exists?
18:40<TheGardener>amphi: how do i find out what it points to?
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18:40<amphi>TheGardener: ls -l
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18:42<TheGardener>amphi: it doesnt look like the build directory is there in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/
18:43<amphi>TheGardener: it's a symlink - it's dangling (pointing to nothing)?
18:43<amphi>TheGardener: or it doesn't exist?
18:43<witte>TheGardener: you should install the kernel headers (linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 and build-essential
18:44<TheGardener>amphi: im not sure the exact implementation of symlinks but there is nothing in that directory labeled "build"
18:44<TheGardener>witte: will do
18:44<amphi>TheGardener: right, the link is created by the kernel headers package
18:45<george>build-essential will give you (almost) everything you need to build... make sure you have the disk space, it's big
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18:46<george>so I guess you could have one kernel headers package per kernel image package installed?
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18:47<witte>george: i think if you want to use module assistent, you should
18:47<witte>george: but normally you do not have that many kernels installed ;-)
18:49<george>I'll change your statement... s/normally.*do not/normally some people do not/
18:49<george>it wasn't true about me :)
18:49<george>(normally =I= do)
18:50<witte>george: at 50 MB per kernel, you quickly learn that you only use the latest one, and have one spare older one ;-)
18:50<george>again, there's that "you" in the wrong place :)
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18:51<TheGardener>Thank you witte: and amphi and others... it looks like the install is moving along nicely.... see you all later
18:51<george>but I do take note and hear your statement about disk space :)
18:51<witte>george: s/you/one/ and s/learn/learns/
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18:52<george>that would be the last place on earth I want to go right now
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18:52<dkr>[there is a generic form of "you" that doesn't refer to the person spoken to directly, you know. ;)
18:52<george>full of mean, self-serving, I'm-better-than-you assholes
18:53<dkr>no need to be vulgar
18:53<george>I'm just being real/truthful
18:53<witte>george: yet, they make debian
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18:54<dondelelcaro>uh... most developers aren't mean. They're self-serving, but since they're volunteers, what else did you expect? As far as egos go, having an ego is healthy.
18:55<george>thank you; I accept your statement
18:55<ulrik>is it possible to search across by content/subject? I don't know what package the bug I found belongs to
18:55<dondelelcaro>ulrik: yes.
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18:56<ulrik>oh. great. I tried that page briefly as I found it, and then it answered my search with "1 result" but no list of results. :)
18:57<george>ulrik: was the page finished rendering?
18:57<dondelelcaro>ulrik: what did you search for?
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18:58<witte>btw: does anyone know if the k7 kernels will be discontinued, as there is no new one in sid for the 2.6.23?
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18:59<quitte>2.6.23 is in sid? \o/
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18:59<ulrik>it behaves better now. I was searching for somethign like mouse, cursor, move
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19:00<witte>quitte: yes already a few days, I expect it in testing soon
19:00<ulrik>hm "cursor gnome" produces "Hits: 1" with no list :)
19:00<dondelelcaro>hrm... probably a bug
19:00<ulrik>yeah. another search returned Hits:15 and shows only 3. so it is just a bug
19:01<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's just Search::Estraier not returning the right number of hits
19:01<bronaugh>no, not a bug.
19:01<quitte>ulrik: xserver-xorg-input-mouse
19:01<bronaugh>probably only showing bugs relevant to the chosen release or something along those lines.
19:01<bronaugh># of hits prior to filtering, or something.
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19:01<dondelelcaro>bronaugh: <-- this is probably what you wanted, though.
19:02<ulrik>quitte: I don't think it is that package. this is about the default cursor theme in gnome
19:02<george>bronaugh: then it's a content bug...
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19:02<george>("it should say what it is")
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19:02<quitte>ulrik: ah. right then it's not that
19:02<george>either that, or it should be consistant
19:02[~]dondelelcaro already said what the bug is
19:02<dondelelcaro>you'd kind of think I'd know.
19:02<bronaugh>george: sure.
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19:03<bronaugh>dondelelcaro: ok, no context; why would I think that?
19:04<dondelelcaro>uh... because I wrote the search interface?
19:04<bronaugh>didn't know that.
19:04<george>same here
19:06<ulrik>dondelelcaro: I see now, thanks!
19:06<witte>dondelelcaro: may i make a suggestion for the interface?
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19:07<dondelelcaro>witte: file wishlist bugs with patches against debbugs
19:07<dondelelcaro>(or without)
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19:07<witte>dondelelcaro: ok, I'll do that, I just wanted the results by date in the other order
19:07<witte>oops, there is such an option
19:08<dondelelcaro>witte: select order by 'submission date' 'reverse date'
19:08<george>"I wish the interface was completely accurate"?
19:08<witte>I just noticed it, it is getting late
19:08<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's got a lot of hidden options
19:08<george>oh ok
19:09<george>I think I see what you're implying
19:09<dondelelcaro>george: that is a function of Search::Estraier and/or hyperestraier, not the actual search interface.
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19:09<george>when that thing returns results after filtering, what does it do, hand you an array?
19:10<ulrik>working search or not, it's pretty hard to find out which package handles the +, ->, 8, etc emblems on the cursor; since all my installed themes have the same emblems. the bug is at least that the emblem is too small and white so you don't wee whether you copy or move a file
19:10<bronaugh>hey, don't use my terminology here. I'm not speaking from knowledge of what's actually going on, just a rough knowledge of what usually goes on.
19:11<george>bronaugh: oh, sorry, without saying so, I was asking the author :)]
19:12<dondelelcaro>george: no.
19:12<bronaugh>george: yeah, I knew that.
19:12<dondelelcaro>ulrik: oh, that's a function of whatever cursor theme you're using.
19:13<george>dondelelcaro: coupla thoughts... 1, what does it hand you? and 2, can it be made to hand you an array?
19:13<ulrik>well all my themes have the same so I thought not
19:13<ulrik>but it's the standard install
19:14<george>then you just do scalar @something and you have the right number :)
19:14<dondelelcaro>obviously it doesn't bother to look up all of the results in a single shot
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19:14<george>so it's not a split-up db result?
19:14<dondelelcaro>since that'd take for ever. All that is reported as the number of hits is the number of hits that the reverse hash thinks it found.
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19:16<dondelelcaro>the actual number of results shown is the maximum number of results returned for each search modulated by whatever the offset is; it doesn't necessarily coincide with the number of hits (though in general, it should).
19:17<dondelelcaro>in any event, the code is on; if you want to look through it.
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19:24<Andy[1]>OK I've managed to install debian, setup a network share using samba (i think) I can see the computer in my windows pc but have no idea what username and password to enter, is there any way I can add user names off my windows server to samba?
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19:26<bronaugh>Andy[1]: Samba has its own database of users/passwords.
19:26<bronaugh>Andy[1]: try your Debian username/password
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19:27<Andy[1]>how do I add users to it? and tryed my debian user name and password no joy :(
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19:28<witte>Andy[1]: you should read a tutorial or manual on samba
19:28<Andy[1]>oops wrong keyboard....
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19:31<Andy[1]>ok that changed my samba password, but I think what I want is to set up a new user and password so a winodws PC can login?
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19:34<bronaugh>Andy[1]: read the man page.
19:34<bronaugh>Andy[1]: or better yet, follow witte's advice -- read a tutorial or manual.
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19:36<Andy[1]>Yeah, think ya right, I jumped in the deep end, only ever used windows wanted to try something new, I'll find some info and see if I can get the hang of it. sorry
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19:37<bronaugh>Andy[1]: no worries.
19:37<witte>Andy[1]: no need to appologize, there are just a lot of really good tutorials out there, you just need to find them. If you don't understand them, you can still ask here to explain some parts
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19:39<Andy[1]>cheers guys
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19:52<ulrik>why is jackd installed in the standard desktop install?
19:52<ulrik>I suspect it is only causing trouble
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19:55<azeem>ulrik: which version of Debian?
19:55<azeem>ulrik: and which desktop? gnome? kde?
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19:57<ulrik>lenny, gnome
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19:57<ulrik>I suspect totem and rhythmbox are using jack, since they print some jack message when they start
19:58<ulrik>and the issue is that gstreamer throws an error in rhythmbox if totem was opened first. and the otehr way around!
19:58<azeem>they use gstreamer
19:59<azeem>ulrik: what does dpkg -l jackd say as version?
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20:00<ulrik>I'll use gstreamer-properties (I just found it), to see. it's [test] button did also not work as long as the other apps were running
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20:02<azeem>ulrik: well, maybe you're just lacking a sound server?
20:02<bronaugh>this happens at times with sound cards that don't offer mixing of multiple audio streams for output.
20:02<azeem>unless your soundcard/ALSA do the mixing in the drivers, you need a sound server to have more than one stream playing
20:03<ulrik>well. It seems gstreamer-properties uses jackd when set to automatic, and when set to alsa the [test] button does not work. this computer has handled mixing before with alsa
20:03<ulrik>and I don't care if it doesn't mix, just that running apps (one not playing, the other trying to play) should not interfere
20:04<azeem>ulrik: why do you think it uses jackd?
20:04<eduardo>what programa can i screenshot my workspace in fluxbox
20:04<azeem>ulrik: so are you saying the apps fail to start, or just don't play sound?
20:04<ulrik>gstreamer-properties prints "JACK tmpdir identified as [/dev/shm]" to the terminal when it tries autoregognizing sound driver
20:05<ulrik>azeem: just don't play
20:05<ulrik>totem for example even disables the volume control and plays video without sound.. if rhythmbox is already running
20:05<azeem>ulrik: because rhythmbox opened the ALSA device
20:06<azeem>and totem gets a permission denied when it tries to do the same
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20:06<azeem>only one application can have the device opened
20:06<azeem>unless dmix is in place or some sound server who governs access to the device
20:06<ulrik>ok. this hasn't been like this before
20:06<ulrik>ok, should I install something like that?
20:07<azeem>ulrik: well, pulseaudio is the hot new thing
20:07<ulrik>well in ubuntu 6.10 it just worked (sorry)
20:07<ulrik>so whatever it had
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20:08<azeem>ulrik: uh, how are we supposed to know what ubuntu 6.10 had?
20:09<ulrik>well with some luck someone would know from experience. but I really wasn't asking
20:10<ulrik>perhaps it even used esd
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20:14<azeem>ulrik: maybe asking in #ubuntu will help, dunno
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20:15<ulrik>I'm not sure. this is debian now. I'm curious why I can't even activate alsa as default, even though I seem to have it installed
20:16<azeem>ulrik: well, asking what sound server they use in 6.10 I mean
20:16<eduardo>i use ksnapshot for screen of my workspace...but return error... Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
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20:17<witte>eduardo: an indirect solution: I usually use the screenshot tool that is in the gimp
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20:17<eduardo>oh, very thanks..i will to
20:18<witte>eduardo: and it looks if you are trying ksnapshot with a different user?
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20:18<eduardo>i try with workspace 2, but not different user
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20:20<witte>eduardo: the error you get is that ksnapshot cannot get access to the X server
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20:23<eduardo>witte: yes
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20:23<azeem>eduardo: how do you start it?
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20:23<eduardo>now.....i install and don't work
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20:29<eduardo>has any command to minize all windows once?
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20:30<eduardo>witte: gimp don't open to
20:31<witte>eduardo: same error?
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20:31<witte>eduardo: and to minimize all windows, that is dependent on your windowmanager
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20:32<eduardo>yes...just end is not same....end is "cannot open display" and other is "cannot connect to x server"
20:32<eduardo>i use fluxbox
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20:33<witte>eduardo: as which user are you logged in (did you run startx) and as which user do you try to open that application?
20:34<witte>and can you paste the output of "ls -al ~/.Xauthority" here?
20:34<witte>for the minimizing all windows, i don't know fluxbox...
20:36<eduardo>wrong command...."try ls --help for more information"
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20:37<witte>eduardo: copy paste it in your terminal, the one I typed is correct (as I typed it in my terminal before). It is two times a L and not a 1
20:37<eduardo>sorry sorry...i'm stupid... =/ i use ksnapshot now...and work!
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20:37<witte>eduardo: what did you do?
20:37<eduardo>i logged with root in terminal =/
20:37<eduardo>i try open new terminal window
20:38<eduardo>i forgot $ diference of #
20:38<witte>ok, so it was what i expected :-)
20:38<eduardo>thanks a lot..and sorry...
20:38<witte>no problem
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20:40<engla>azeem: so is it normal for a debian desktop/gnome install to behave like this when many programs grab the audio device at the same time?
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20:45<azeem>engla: this is testing
20:45<azeem>I assume the final lenny desktop will have a solution
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20:55<dondelelcaro>azeem: we'll implement the "final solution"
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20:55<engla>how would I find out which "sound solution" it uses when it's set to auto?
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21:14[~]Guest63 struts his stuff as he finally got debian installed on a iMac G5 PPC (iSight)
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21:21<marc__>hey can somebody try to help me?
21:22[~]path guessing whats the problem
21:22<marc__>when i attempt to load linux, i get a "OUT OF RANGE" error message, and I cant get to a command line because recovery mode wont work ;'/
21:22<marc__>ive reinstalled three times and used to alt cd ;/
21:23<azeem>alt cd?
21:23<marc__>alternative cd
21:23<azeem>marc__: which version of ubuntu?
21:23<azeem>marc__: please ask in #ubuntu on
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21:24<Guest63>hey does xorg have special tree for apples ati drivers?
21:25<Guest63>im going to build from source i remember reading i needed a special tree off the drivers
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21:27[~]gravity blinks
21:27<gravity>Guest63: Um... no
21:28<gravity>The X server has a separate branch for work on OS X, but that's it
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21:28<Guest63>yea i found the doc it's just the bleeding edge ati driver hehehe
21:28<gravity>As for what your special tree is, I have no idea. It might be the radeonhd driver, or it may just be the unreleased ati driver branch
21:30<Guest63>im half tempted to setup a couple of other partitions and see how well debian etch PPC works with building an LFS
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21:31<azeem>Guest63: sounds like great fun
21:31<Guest63>Linux from scratch
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22:09<Asv>hi i use debian 4.0 etch in x86_64 whit video card accelerator ati radeon xpress 200
22:10<Asv>i can use compiz-fusion?
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22:22<Luis>During an etch install from CD media, the base system install terminates. It's complaining that the target drive is mounted read only. I remounted it read/write and redid the install-base-system step, but I had the same problem. I already RTFM, but no mention of this particular issue was on any of the FAQs or troubleshooting docs. Anyone got any idea what's up?
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22:28<Xenguy>Luis: weird, I've never heard of such a thing
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22:31<Luis>Me either. I've installed debian dozens of times and never seen anything like it.
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22:48<alaya>i hate russia
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22:49<DanDare>apt-get install russia?
22:49<alaya>apt-get remove --purge
22:50<alaya>some spammer is spoofing with one of my mail addresses and now I'm getting all the rejection/failure notices
22:50<DanDare>do you live in russia?
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22:51<alaya>mostly in russian, of course...
22:51<alaya>hell no
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22:51<alaya>well, i guess my ratio of spam/good mail just went from like 98% to 99.98%
22:53<DanDare>your sai "i hate russia" is a way too much superfitial so
22:53<DanDare>like "i hate ice cream" or "i hate red cars"
22:53<alaya>so nice to be devoting cpu, disk, and memory resources to criminal thugs in far away countries
22:54<DanDare>that´s no nice about those persons
22:54<alaya>funny how a country with no democracy can impede democratic developments by causing people to disdain from participating in online forums, discussions, and lists
22:55<alaya>bush and putin probably pay the thugs a bonus :-)
22:55<DanDare>they have kasparov and other nice ppl
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22:56<alaya>and we have Deep Blue, so I guess we'll win out in the end :-)
22:57<DanDare>a computer beated me on chess one day but was no bussines to it on the kickboxing
22:58<alaya>they should get Andrei Lugovi to play instead
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22:59<DanDare>computer x human can be unfair even for chess
22:59<DanDare>technology these days
23:00<alaya>my digital watch probably has enough CPU to beat that moron
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23:01<DanDare>you´re being mean
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23:06<alaya>glad this is such a low-volume #chan that no one cares that I'm way OT :-)
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23:16<masebase>I was wondering if anyone knows why a debian server would not boot without a monitor connected?
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23:29<simonrvn>bios settings, duh. but of course s/he left....
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23:48<kevin>Hello. I was wondering, how would I go about getting aspell to work with Abiword?
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