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00:00<jello>zoe: apt-get install equivs
00:01<zoe>cool, thx
00:01<keeper>china ?
00:01<zoe>i guess there isn't an apt.conf directive, lol, i was on a rabbit trail...
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00:26<ajdlinux>Xorg seems to be tying up my CPU quite a bit
00:26<ajdlinux>when i'm doing ordinary actions, particularly in konqueror, it's using 20-30% of the CPU
00:26<ajdlinux>any suggestions why?
00:26<jello>apt-get upgrade cpu ??
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00:55<shortbus>i'm looking for a web based apache content mangement system, any suggestions?
00:56<ajdlinux>you mean a CMS that can run under apache?
00:56<ajdlinux>that may help you pick...
00:57<ajdlinux>i use drupal a bit
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00:59<shortbus>i'm setting up a web site for my dad, (vhost on an existing box) and need something simple that he can use
01:00<jello>HolyAvenger: /sb clear
01:00<shortbus>thx, i'll check that out
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01:53<donny_>hi all. running new etch system. unsurprisingly the video isn't working perfectly out-of-the-box. i'm not sure how to probe my video card for information in order to start googling around for help. can anyone tell me how?
01:54<chealer>donny_: if you want the model, you can use lspci.
01:55<donny_>chealer: that's definitely a start. thanks chealer
01:56<george>donny_: hmmm... so if you weren't surprised by its not working, what brings you to debian?
01:57<george>or maybe you were unsurprised because you didn't check the hardware compatibility list before buying hardware... if that's the case, you realize that now, and sorry to bother you
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02:02<donny_>george: lol, actually i just called my friend in here to tell him to buy a new machine from a store that sells them pre-installed with linux because i was sick of fighting every new machine i get second-hand ;)
02:03<george>that's probably a reasonable thing to do... it does take awhile given less than certanty about whether everything in the machine is going to work exactly right
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02:03<donny_>george: at any rate, i didn't mean to imply that my lack of surprise should reflect negatively on linux,, or debian, just that that is the state of things. personally, i blame microsoft and the nsa for secretly paying hardware manufacturers to keep the population dependent upon blobs.
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02:04<george>om blobba padme hum...
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02:06<george>donny_: yeah, I tend to get triggered when that stuff happens... trying to become more present and aware of triggering
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02:07<donny_>george: what do you mean?
02:08<george>(aside: I tend to have this policy to tell people "you can run anything you want" mostly to make them choose, commit to that choice and commit to supporting themselves when they have to)
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02:09<donny_>george: i suppose i can understand that
02:10<george>I mean that my button whose fear is "I must support folks forever" gets pressed when people come who don't mention they're aware that the kernel mostly supports hardware and it's possible but sorta hard to rebuild if needed, or just build modules
02:10<donny_>ok so i'm running a 3dfx Banshee and seems to be ignoring the Display configuration subsection of my xorg.conf
02:11<donny_>no matter what settings i set, X seems to show up with an impossibly low resolution (looks like less than 640x480)
02:11<george>I forget how that works... display points to screen, screen points to display sections
02:11<Insu>Banshee is very old card...
02:12<donny_>george: well it will be difficult to get tripped up with (sub)section references in my conf file. i only have one entry of each
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02:13<Insu>My suggest is just to use svga drivers. I got a Voodoo3 and i never got the resolution proper to use.
02:14<Insu>and the 3d-stuff in that card is.. Does it even have a 3d-mode ?.. Hmm..
02:14<donny_>who knows. right now i don't need any hardware acceleration though.
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02:14<donny_>thanks for the suggestion Insu i'll try it
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02:14<george>doom was around then
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02:15<george>I'm not sure it needed accel
02:15<Insu>Nope. Doom was 2d-game
02:15<donny_>raycasting ftw?
02:16<donny_>what package do i need for the svga driver?
02:16<donny_> says svga driver doesn't exist
02:16<Insu>just reconfigure the x again
02:16<Insu>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
02:16<donny_>Insu: i've just been editing it by hand
02:17<Insu>with svga you can use 1024x768 resolution
02:18<george>I heard this rumor that amd released chip specs recently... then someone pointed out a link, and sure enough, there were pdfs with specs for ati chips
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02:19<Insu>you mean rv680 ?
02:19<Insu>some pics were also leaked
02:20<donny_>thanks Insu. running dpkg-reconfigure did the trick. i decided to load the framebuffer module and then select the fbdev x video driver though because svga didn't show up on the list. works fine now though!
02:20<dpkg>donny_: sure thing
02:20<Insu>No problem.
02:20<donny_>i think that bot behavior is a little hyper-sensitive
02:21<Insu>donny, i suggest you to backup the xorg.conf also
02:25<donny_>Insu: the one that i just generated with dpkg-reconfigure?
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02:26<Insu>yes. It's not really neede but just in case if something goes wrong..
02:26<autolycus>insu :)
02:26<Insu>cp /etc/X11/xorg /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
02:26<Insu>autolycus <3
02:28<Insu>cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
02:28<Insu>there was a little typo in the first time..
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02:49<beowulf007>could somebody tell me if I can do a net install of stable for sparc?
02:49<beowulf007>or that x86 exclusive?
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02:50<beowulf007>it's for a sparcstation 5 which is only 32bit
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03:16<beowulf007>i see that the sparc32 port has been dropped
03:18<beowulf007>i'm glad i only paid $5 for it :-)
03:19<zobel>beowulf007: you still can run it with stable.
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03:20<beowulf007>just not lenny?
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03:27<jackblack>antone know why im getting this
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03:28<jackblack>after reeboot
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03:59<keith>Debian4.0.amd64.I installed libdvdcss2 so I can watch some DVD movies but others will not open. The error message "Are you trying to play DVD without libdvdcss?" Or something along those lines. Any help?
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04:20<BlackFoxTR>i have a problem about apache, php not working. i don't know how to solve it :/
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04:22<sep>BlackFoxTR, have you installed and enabeled the wanted module and restarted apache ?
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04:22<BlackFoxTR>i did it many times. but i got this error
04:22<BlackFoxTR>apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
04:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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04:23<sep>BlackFoxTR, that's just becouse you dont have a Sesrver
04:23<sep>BlackFoxTR, that's just becouse you dont have a ServerNAme entry in your site config. it's a non critical error
04:23<BlackFoxTR>can u help to set it up
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04:24<sep>BlackFoxTR, you said you allready did it, and that's the only thing i ever doo too so verify you did it correctly and it should just work.
04:25<BlackFoxTR>ok ok .. i'll search for more documents. if i fail i'll need to come back
04:25<sep>why search ? just check that you installed the package correctyl, and that the modules is symlinked properly.
04:25<sep>that you claimed you allready did tho..
04:27<dpkg>totem is probably a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
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04:41<ksp>I want lenny debian-installer source from svn
04:41<ksp>svn co svn://
04:41<ksp>but it shows the following error
04:41<ksp>svn: URL 'svn://' doesn't exist
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04:45<leone>hi all!
04:45<leone>anyone here?
04:45<leone>i am new to debian...
04:45<N1ghtCrawler>whats up with the sweden mirror?
04:46<leone>managed to install it over net...
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04:47<N1ghtCrawler>Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
04:48<N1ghtCrawler>i can ping andgetting ansvers..
04:48<bremner>N1ghtCrawler: apt-get update ?
04:49<N1ghtCrawler>didn't help at all
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04:50<gsimmons>ksp: There is no lenny branch, only etch, kfreebsd and sarge (<>). I'd imagine you would want to check out trunk instead.
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04:50<bremner>N1ghtCrawler: because I see later version in that directory 3.0.37a. What dist are you using etch? lenny?
04:51<bremner>err sorry 3.0.27a
04:51<N1ghtCrawler>umh... Here comes the good part, Etch with lenny Repos :D
04:52<N1ghtCrawler>wonder how I did with the sources.list..
04:52<bremner>try apt-cache policy samba
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04:56<N1ghtCrawler> Installed: (none)
04:56<N1ghtCrawler> Candidate: 3.0.26a-1
04:56<N1ghtCrawler> Version table:
04:56<N1ghtCrawler> 3.0.26a-1 0
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04:57<N1ghtCrawler>doh ><
04:57<norbert_>hi, does anyone here know why exim for some reason keeps using the old configuration, even though I changed /etc/exim/aliases.virtual and even rebooted the machine?
04:58<N1ghtCrawler>I think i screwed up my instalation bigtime when i added the lenny repos to my etch installation
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05:00<bremner>N1ghtCrawler: can you paste sources.list somewhere?
05:00<dli_>norbert_, I guess you have exim4 instead
05:00<norbert_>yes, exim4
05:00<petemc>norbert_: exim4 -bV
05:01<N1ghtCrawler>bremner: shure
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05:02<norbert_>so ehm... what do I do? I ran exim4 -bV... is that enough?
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05:03<petemc>norbert_: no, that shows you where the config file is
05:03<N1ghtCrawler>bremner: I tried commenting all etch sources as in the paste but didn't help
05:03<petemc>if you'd bothered to read its output..
05:03<N1ghtCrawler>maby ill comment the lenny repos instead
05:03<norbert_>it gives me /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
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05:04<petemc>norbert_: so thats the config its using
05:04<norbert_>and in it, it mentions /etc/exim4/aliases.virtual but I already changed that file
05:04<petemc>norbert_: if you're using the debian way and you change something, you need to run update-exim4.conf to assemble all the files
05:06<norbert_>ok, ran update-exim4.conf
05:06<N1ghtCrawler>Worked installing samba when i removed the lenny repo
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05:06<norbert_>why can't ./exim4 restart simply read the updated conf?
05:06<norbert_>it doesn't make any sense
05:06<azeem>right, it makes no sense
05:06<azeem>why would restart not restart?
05:07<norbert_>if I change for example the apache2 conf and restart apache, it works immediately, I don't have to run update-apache2.conf
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05:07<bremner>N1ghtcrawler: weird. Did you do apt-get dist-upgrade when you added lenny repos?
05:08<azeem>norbert_: so what do you mean with ./exim4 restart anyway?
05:08<N1ghtCrawler>bremner: yepp
05:08<norbert_># /etc/init.d/exim4 restart
05:08<N1ghtCrawler>i had the lenny repo when i installed latest version of rtorrent
05:08<petemc>norbert_: if you dont use the debian way, and just have your config at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf , then restarts will reread that
05:09<petemc>norbert_: but theres more going on than a simple rereading of the config, thats why you use update-exim4.conf
05:09<petemc>norbert_: it makes plenty of sense, if you know whats going on
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05:09<petemc>norbert_: and even if it didnt, its well documented
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05:47<norbert_>hum... I ran update-exim4.conf but it's still using some kind of old configuration
05:48<norbert_>even though that configuration is no longer anywhere on the harddisk and I even restarted the machine
05:48<norbert_>again, it doesn't make any sense
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05:58<utente>hi i installed debain copping a image with ghost but grub does not work
05:58<utente>then i ran a live cd and made grub-install /dev/hda1
05:58<utente>but it des not work
05:59<utente>what should i do?
05:59<norbert_>!tell utente about suicide
06:00<utente>can u help me?
06:00<norbert_>anyways, I'm outta here, I'll ask a friend to check on the config
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06:00<dli_>utente, you should follow grub rescue howto
06:01<dli_>!tell utente about rescue
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06:25<plb>trying to get this usb drive working in debian for my in kubuntu...debian I see the light come on but it doesn't get mounted to the desktop..
06:25<plb>mesg gives me a bunch of this.......
06:25<plb>sd 1:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x10070000
06:25<plb>end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0
06:26<plb>though before that it tells me
06:26<plb>usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
06:26<plb> Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: SD/MMC Reader Rev:
06:26<plb> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
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06:28<plb>anyone know how to fix this?
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06:33<themill>plb: kde or gnome?
06:33<themill>!kde automount
06:33<dpkg>To automount CDs and USB disks under kde, aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins; adduser your_username plugdev; you will have to log out and back in before it works.
06:33<plb>already did all that
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06:34<themill>plb: :( I was hoping that the errors were ignorable and that was all that was needed
06:34<themill>Is it an sd/mmc card reader?
06:34<plb>dunno why it works in kubuntu =\
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06:35<plb>ya just some sd card reader
06:36<plb>and the damn light on the thing is blinking..
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06:46<alaya>use a pastebin
06:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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06:55<jackblack>antone know why im getting this
06:55<jackblack>after reeboot
06:57<N1ghtCrawler>strange when I use # smbclient \\\\\\homes it askes for a password, what should i type? My password doesn't work anyway..
06:57<Maulkin>N1ghtCrawler: man smbpasswd
06:58<alaya>jackblack: what the heck is that? also, why are you logging in as root?
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06:59<alaya>jackblack: the output looks like items from the env listing for root user
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06:59<jackblack>dont know what it is
06:59<jackblack>only started after reeboot
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07:00<jackblack>need to log as root for a install
07:00<alaya>type "env" and you'll see what i mean
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07:00<alaya>jackblack: use sudo instead
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07:00<alaya>jackblack: apt-get install sudo and "man sudoers" or look for some sudoers examples on the web
07:01<jackblack>i installed sudo already
07:01<alaya>then log in as normal user and run installation via sudo
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07:01<jackblack>yeh ok
07:01<alaya>if the installer requires X, then you can install sux and use that in a console
07:02<jackblack>i see what u mean with env
07:02<alaya>not sure what the "declare -x" means though
07:02<alaya>something must be running the environment command or something
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07:05<alaya>odd that $DISPLAY is localhost:10.0 and not localhost:0.0
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07:33<XoX>is there a debian channel for
07:34<monra>Hello. I'm looking for a program that will show me my mobo name and cpu info. does anybody know such a program?
07:34<tiny>monra: dmidecode
07:34<tiny>monra: cat /proc/cpuinfo
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07:36<ruoso>Hi... I had just dist-upgraded a MacBook from etch to lenny and the keyboard and mouse just stopped working at all. It doesn't work in console and in X...
07:36<ruoso>does anyone knows what to do?
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07:37<hiddenpimpdaddy>hi i have a question for everyone
07:37<ruoso>it used to work in console just after the init
07:37<ruoso>but now it simply doesnt work at all
07:37<ruoso>not even on X
07:38<hiddenpimpdaddy>u have any knowledge
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07:39<hiddenpimpdaddy>can anyone help me please
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07:41<JasonS>hiddenpimpdaddy: try asking your question then
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07:43<hiddenpimpdaddy>umm i want to know how to edit a script i want it download a file and then wait till its done beofre it moves on
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07:45<hiddenpimpdaddy>jason any ideas
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07:45<JasonS>hiddenpimpdaddy: not sure what you are trying to do actually
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07:46<hiddenpimpdaddy>ok i want a file to download and then when its done download again, atm it just keeps on startin and cancelling
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07:46<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: Use wget -c?
07:46<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: Oh sorry
07:46<hiddenpimpdaddy>i wrote a script
07:46<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: You do need to rename the old file?
07:47<hiddenpimpdaddy>have a look
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07:48<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: You can use the -O option of wget to specify an output file name
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07:48<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: Maybe specify a new output file name depending on the time?
07:48<JasonS>or for the full picture man wget
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07:51<hiddenpimpdaddy>kmap im confused can i show u the script
07:52<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: I have seen it.
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07:52<kmap>hiddenpimpdaddy: You need to rename or remove the file befoer redownloading
07:52<hiddenpimpdaddy>ok so how wouldi edit it to wait
07:52<hiddenpimpdaddy>thats the prob, it doesnt wait the file never ever appears
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07:56<kraus>just installed debian (replaced ubuntu) and was wondering what's the easiest way to install vlc
07:56<hiddenpimpdaddy>kamp u got any ideas
07:56<hiddenpimpdaddy>sudo apt-get install vlc
07:56<Robinayor_>kraus: call aptitude isntall vlc
07:57<kraus>doesn't work
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07:57<kraus>Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package.
07:57<kraus>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
07:57<kraus>is only available from another source
07:57<kraus>it says like this
07:58<kraus>btw i have lenny "testing"
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07:59<hiddenpimpdaddy>find the package info shouldnt be that hard to find
07:59<hiddenpimpdaddy>otherwise just d/l of vlc website and install
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08:00<mike_>anyone know how o setup 3G gateway using ubuntu and PCMCIA 3g in adaptor?
08:00<JasonS>mike_: yes, you ask in #ubuntu
08:01<Frolic>kraus, I don't know why, but don't list vlc on lenny, just sarge, etch and sid.
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08:02<gsimmons>kraus: 'vlc' isn't currently available in testing. You can backport it from unstable/sid however.
08:02<JasonS>!why isnt vlc in testing
08:02<kraus>well i'll try the vlc website
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08:05<Frolic>kraus, the package are waiting for going to testing:
08:05<kraus>ok, great
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08:24<cyrax>Hi all. I need help with installing debian on my laptop that can boot only via PXE (and HDD). describes how I can boot using bootp. I am not sure if I can use bootp to boot my laptop. Any advice?
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08:33<gsimmons>cyrax: See section 4.6 of the Installation Guide. It's covered in greater detail there, along with the PXE method of TFTP booting.
08:33<cyrax>I am actually following that.
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08:34<cyrax>gsimmons, I have a question. " # tftp client hardware address " the hardware address there - is it my debian desktop or is it my laptop hw address
08:34<cyrax>it says host tftpclient - I am a bit confused about this client vs server thing.
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08:40<gsimmons>cyrax: For the purposes of your installation, the server is the host responsible for serving netboot images via TFTP (the TFTP server). Your client is the installation target (your laptop), for which you would need to provide its hardware address during server setup.
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08:41<cyrax>I see thanks gsimmons
08:41<cyrax>will give it a try
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08:50<cyrax>yaay! thanks gsimmons that worked. It looked complicated but really isnt.
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08:53<harold>req: help with bootproblem.
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08:54<JasonS>!tell harold about ask
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08:57<harold>after booting i get a console (initramfs), i have my partitions on lvm, including /, probably i've forgot something when creating a new kernel, I can't use a previous kernel, what can I do next ?
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08:58<klando>harold, what is your issue ?
08:59<harold>klando, my system won´t boot anymore, It doesn't mount the lvm partitions...
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09:00<klando>take a bootable cd, mount your partition, update your kernel's
09:01<klando>if you really not have a good one
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09:01<klando>harold, I wonder if you have move to lvm or change your kernel with remove the old one
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09:05<harold>klando, lvm move was ages ago, updated kernel removed old one (being stupid .... <hit in head>)
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09:11<klando>harold !
09:13<harold>klando ?
09:14<klando>you did it !
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09:14<klando>well many ways to get you back : live cd, chroot, ...
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09:15<harold>klando, just need to figure out what i did wrong with the kernel...
09:16<WhyMe01>hi all.. is anyone from Melbourne, Australia here? Are there any quality unix/linux systems administration courses that run in the CBD area?
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09:23<themill>WhyMe01: you might do better asking the mlug:
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09:25<WhyMe01>i shall thanks!
09:25<WhyMe01>im just not sure what i should do in the coming year
09:25<WhyMe01>i want to increase value to my IT skill set
09:25<XoX>i am more tired than an old dogg
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09:25<WhyMe01>i currently work in an it helpdesk and need to elevate myself as im starting to feel bruned out
09:26<WhyMe01>i thinking of going the MCSA 08/Citrix/VMWare and possibly Unix Administration route
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09:32<harold>etch_rescue hates my guts.... hpt366 losing interrupts
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09:38<themill>WhyMe01: The debian website has a list of IT consultants that provide support for debian systems, and I would imagine google will turn up more. Asking the people who hire the consultants or administrators what qualifications they are looking for would probably be a better move than asking here. Many of us here are not professional sysadmins anyway, just hobbyists; so we don't know what qualifications are available and what ones are good to have.
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09:38<Insu>how idea how much hdd space you need for debian install mirror site ?
09:39<stew>Insu: it doepends on how much of the mirror you want to mirror and for which arches
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09:41<Insu>Just the typical mirror.
09:41<Insu>no backports and etc..
09:42<lupine_85>~250GB IIRC
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09:42<stew>much more that 250gb
09:42<stew>i'd think
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09:43<stew>one arch on one release is something like 20gb, there are 13 arches and 4 releases (with a bunch of overlap, but still)
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09:44<Insu>Ok then. I was thinking about only etch in my mind.
09:44<Insu>Wanna setup a network-server
09:45<JasonS>network server for what?
09:45<stew>Insu: for every arch? or i386? or what?
09:45<Insu>i386 only.
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09:47<Insu>JasonS, just want to test it. I'm a bit boored.
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09:51<stew>Insu: for just i386 it would be somewhere around 20-30GB
09:52<Insu>OK. Thank you very much
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10:08<tycale>I want to do a ssh connection between my debian to my macbook
10:09<tycale>Can you help me to do that ?
10:09<benni>rozumie mi tu niekto?
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10:09<JasonS>tycale: install openssh on the debian machine and install a ssh client on the macbook
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10:10<benni>rozumie mi tu niekto??chcem kopanec ;-)
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10:10<JasonS>benni: do you speak english?
10:11<tycale>JasonS: ssh-agent on macbook, it's ok ?
10:11<JasonS>tycale: no idea, ive never ran a macbook
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10:11<benni>benni:Yes,but i love a Slovak language ;-)
10:11<harold>tycale ssh-agent is probably authentication agent for public-key environment.
10:12<Insu>Hmm. Sounded too much like romanian to me :<
10:12<tycale>I know nothing about ssh. :p
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10:12<dpkg>hmm... ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
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10:27<bricenaj>est ce que quelqu'un connait nattfodd ?
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10:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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10:28<bricenaj>does anyone know nattfodd ?
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10:29<azeem>brice: is that a question related to Debian support?
10:30<brice>non I'm searching for a guy, he tell me he was on
10:30<azeem>brice: you're in the wrong channel then, this one is not for people search
10:30<brice>how can I send him a message directly, without be on his chan?
10:30<azeem>brice: read the documentation of your irc client
10:30<brice>I dont know on what channel he is
10:31<azeem>after having read the documentation, that issue should have been cleared up
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10:34<[machine]>brice: /msg nattfodd <your message here>
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10:46<paris89>hello there
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10:51<themill>dpkg: greet paris89
10:51<dpkg>Howdy, paris89
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11:01<bighornram>I have an installed package that is damaged (missing portions) and won't re-install completely nor will it purge itself. How do I go about getting this to either reinstall or remove?
11:01<azeem>bighornram: "fix the errors that pop up"
11:02<azeem>if you'd pastebin the errors, we could suggest more targetted solutions
11:02<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:05<jthomas>anyone know a simple-to-use GUI library for Bash scripting? I thought Automatix used one at one point but I have no idea
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11:08<cahoot>like ncurses?
11:08<jthomas>no... like, a way for a Bash script to open in a KDE or whatever window
11:08<jthomas>with buttones, etc
11:09<jthomas>less Konsole-looking
11:09<avtobiff>php-gtk maybe
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11:09<jthomas>hmm maybe that.
11:09<rodbet>ho ho ho Merry Christmas :)
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11:10<leleobhz>someone know if have a debian package for openwebmail?
11:10<[machine]>jthomas: kdialog --help
11:11<jthomas>that sounds about right, thanks, I'll check it out
11:11<[machine]>and/or kommander
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11:37<jesperj>I'm trying to configure a kernel before compiling and I downloaded the linux-source-2.6.18 source which I am now configuring with make menuconfig. I can't find the i810fb option for i810 framebuffer. Should it be listed in "Graphics support" section or is it not avialable with the Debian kernel?
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11:37<cahoot>hit / and search?
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11:41<jesperj>cahoot: thanks. it was in the experimental section which I had disabled.
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11:48<zhmelix>hi guys how can i run kernel2.6 for the installation of etch?
11:48<cahoot>sounds about right
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11:49<zhmelix>but doesn't work in netinstall =(
11:49<@Ganneff>it is default.
11:49<cahoot>F2 should tell
11:49<zhmelix>Ganneff: thank you Ganneff
11:49<zhmelix>i have only one more question
11:49<zhmelix>how can i install grub or something when i'm running debian in Virtual Machine
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11:59<alex>Hello all, I've got a couple of debian boxes running, and when I run netstat I see that I've got port 4560 open. What does it listen for?
12:00<mikegrb>try adding -p to the netstat call to show the pid listening
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12:01<backslash>hello, maybe this question doesnt belong here. When i start IRC i can only see Debian IRC, what are other good networks ?
12:02<alex>mikegrb: thanks, it was a harmless service that I was unaware of.
12:02<JasonS>backslash: define good? all depends on what you're looking for
12:02<backslash>just technical stuff, like networking, linux in general and so on...
12:02<backslash>ive heared about "freenode" or something ?
12:02<JasonS>backslash: then
12:02<Insu>this & freenode network
12:02<backslash>^^ couldnt find it :P
12:02<backslash>thanks a lot
12:03<backslash>do i have to specify a server ?
12:03<JasonS>backslash: nope
12:03<backslash>okay... gonna try it
12:03<backslash>thanks for help
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12:08<bitrider>hello everyone
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12:09<bitrider>quick question, during installation (etch) in expert mode i was hoping to use
12:09<bitrider>aptitude to manually select packages however all i get is the tasksel screen
12:10<bitrider>has this feature been removed in the d-i? if not, how do i get to use it again?
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12:13<bitrider>creed: hi there
12:14<creeed>I'm a newbie, can someone tell me how can I learn executing for example an if-then-else construct in the shell
12:15<creeed>or a while-loop, it's just what I need at te moment
12:16<icks>man bash; while ...; do ...; done
12:16<stroyan>if [[ $RANDOM -gt 10000 ]]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi
12:17<creeed>thanks I look into the manpage
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12:20<creeed>I wanna write a 4210 Byres - file from /dev/urandom, how can I do it pls?
12:21<creeed>dd doesnt look to be very helpful
12:21<icks>i think dd is quite exactly what you want
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12:21<avtobiff>dd if=/dev/urandom bs=4210
12:22<avtobiff>or that is 4210 bytes though... not byres.
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12:24<Riggy>what can i use instad of vi to edit files?
12:24<hever>Hi. Is there a special postfix channel ?
12:24<JasonS>Riggy: nano, jed etc.
12:24<creeed>I did already but dd seems to write just in the stdout without considiring the limit!!
12:24<Riggy>ok thanks
12:24<JasonS>you dont like vi?
12:25<Riggy>its a pain in the arse
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12:25<bitrider>Riggy: try mc -e
12:25<JasonS>it can be, though its best to learn some of it, odds are you'll find it on any nix machine
12:25<creeed>I want have a limited size and schould stop writing
12:25<Riggy>i have gotten used to it a little bit but i think its a bit too fiddley
12:26<hever>I'm going to use the smtpd_sender_login_maps option in the postfix config but it seems not using it (there are no Database queries). Have anybody an Idea ?
12:26<Riggy>is it advisable to use gnome if im running a server?
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12:26<hever>Must I set up also other options to get smtpd_sender_login_maps working ?
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12:29<simonrvn>Riggy: x and server don't mix
12:29<Riggy>i know :(
12:29<Riggy>i just wish they would
12:29<Riggy>it keeps freezing gnome
12:29<JasonS>Riggy: no need
12:30<Riggy>i use x because im not too good with command line
12:30<stroyan>creeed: More dd options would help. dd if=/dev/urandom of=newfilename bs=4210 count=1
12:30<Riggy>or bash
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12:30<rootest>hi all
12:31<rootest>Please help, which script makes debian jigdo files?
12:31<Riggy>is there any way of uninstalling gnome and x then without messing my system up?
12:31<creeed>stroyan, thanks :))
12:32<rootest>I have a few iso, me need make few jigdo files for this iso
12:32<Frolic>rootest, here you can found all you need:
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12:33<JasonS>Riggy: removing x shouldn't mess anythign up
12:33<Riggy>is there any way of uninstalling gnome and x then without messing my system up?
12:33<Riggy>how can i remove it?
12:34<stew>Riggy: /msg dpkg remove x ; /msg dpkg remove gnome
12:35<rootest>Frolic, thanks, a have read it, but here describe downloading iso with jigdo, but I have a ready iso and want to do a jigdo files
12:35<hever>Ok, to enable "smtpd_sender_login_maps" in Postfix, "smtpd_sender_restrictions" must be also set to "reject_sender_login_mismatch"...
12:35<Riggy>ok thanks ill try it now
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12:37<Riggy>stew: it says /msg directory not found
12:37<stew>Riggy: i mean that to be something you typed into irc to get information from our bot
12:37<JasonS>Riggy: type that here not on your comptuer
12:37<stew>dpkg: tell Riggy about remove x
12:37<stew>dpkg: tell Riggy about remove gnome
12:38<Riggy>i feel realy stupid now
12:38<stew>Riggy: nah, don't worry about it
12:39<bitrider>Riggy: try "aptitude remove xorg" and "aptitude remove gnome"
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12:41<rootest>Can I find here human, who makes jigdo for debian official mirror?
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12:41<rootest>May be somebody can hint me, how I can find him or his e-mail?
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12:42<tycale>tycale@Tycalinux:~/.ssh$ ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/ Tycale@
12:42<tycale>/etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 51: Bad configuration option: PermitRootLogin
12:42<tycale>/etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 1 bad configuration options
12:42<tycale>tycale@Tycalinux:~/.ssh$ ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/ Tycale@
12:42<tycale>/etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 51: Bad configuration option: PermitRootLogin
12:42<tycale>/etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 1 bad configuration options
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12:42<tycale>woot -___-
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12:43<Frolic>rootest, you should use jigdo-file
12:43<bitrider>rootest: take a look at this
12:43<dkr>tycale: you need to put a : after ip address of destination or it thinks you want to copy to a local file named Tycale@
12:44<dkr>and also fix your config as per the error message. :)
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12:46<rootest>Frolic, bitrder, thanks, I'll now reading
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12:47<Frolic>rootest, :)
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12:52<hardeep>anyone there?
12:53<hardeep>who are you then?
12:53<JasonS>im a meat popcicly
12:53<hardeep>just installed debian
12:53<hardeep>checking out what is IRC
12:53<bitrider>:> how can we help?
12:53<hardeep>no I am just checking out
12:54<hardeep>take care, leaving now
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12:54<bitrider>bye deep
12:55<bitrider>where is aptitude in d-i (etch) by the way? used to be in sarge
12:56<bitrider>with sarge, i used to have control over what packages i wanted installed during d-i stage
12:56<bitrider>with etch, all i get is tasksel even when using expert mode
12:59<bitrider>or am i just missing something here?
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13:00<JasonS>tycale: yes?
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13:00<tycale>It doesn't work :(
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13:00<JasonS>its telling you why
13:00<Riggy>thanks to who helped no gnome or x on my pc anymore
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13:00<tycale>JasonS: Doesn't work
13:01<JasonS>tycale: its telling you the problem
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13:02<stroyan>tycale: PermitRootLogin is an sshd_config option. You have it in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. That is annoying ssh.
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13:02<tycale>stroyan: I change it on yes and restart ssh --> not work
13:02<tycale>on no and restart --> not work
13:03<pescez>anyone can tell me where i have to go to ask about trouble in compiling kde4? kde's server or whatever.. :D
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13:03<JasonS>tycale: not work means what? when you disable root logins what errors or messages are you getting?
13:04<pescez>dkr, is that a irc server?
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13:04<tycale>JasonS: all time this message : line 51: Bad configuration option: PermitRootLogin
13:04<tycale>and the line 51 is empty !
13:05<JasonS>add no to it
13:05<tycale>and PermitRootLogin no (or yes) is on line 26 JasonS
13:06<pescez>dkr, thank you ;)
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13:07<blubberdiblub>tycale: hmm, some kind of corrupt config file? like with windows line endings? tried checking for superfluous Carriage Returns and removing them?
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13:09<tycale>buffoon_work: How can I repear the file ? I have add 500 line empty and the error is all time the same : line 51: Bad configuration option: PermitRootLogin
13:10<cahoot>really accessing correct file?
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13:10<tycale>cahoot: I think yes
13:10<foxXx_man>someone can help me?
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13:11<tycale>don't ask to ask
13:11<blubberdiblub>tycale: well, if windows line endings are the problem - and only if - then i usually use the fromdos command from the package tofrodos, but there are other commands doing that
13:12<stroyan>tycale: The evidence is that you are not looking at the same file that ssh is looking at. You know that there is a ssh_config and sshd_config in /etc/ssh ?
13:12<foxXx_man>os vídeos no firefox ficam congelando. será algum problema no plugin flash?
13:12<tycale>no stroyan, i look
13:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:13<tycale>ok stroyan, I'm on the good file now :)
13:13<tycale>On line51 it's the PermitRootLogin
13:14<tycale>but, when i change it. I'have got the same problem :')
13:14<SpeedyG>tycale: tried to comment it out?
13:14<tycale>I was trying :p
13:15<stroyan>tycale: The error message says that ssh_config contains PermitRootLogin. But that option only belongs in the sshd_config file. Which file do you see it in?
13:15<tycale>The authenticity of host ' (' can't be established.
13:15<tycale>RSA key fingerprint is be:b2:75:8a:3a:93:3c:cf:b0:ec:38:26:47:2b:da:a4.
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13:16<tycale>I'm connected in my macbook :)
13:18<tycale>ho and my macbook to my debian :D
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13:26<Riggy>when i connect to my server using cute FTP it wont let me edit or add any files
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13:27<Riggy>how can i edit files?
13:28<JasonS>Riggy: of course not, ftp isnt for editing
13:29<tmg1|chthulhu>Riggy: you're looking for another protocol, perhaps ssh?
13:29<Riggy>i mean like uploading files to my server
13:29<tmg1|chthulhu>uploading and editing are two different tasks
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13:29<JasonS>to edit i suggest ssh in and edit
13:30<tmg1|chthulhu>netcat *might* do both, but probably not in a way you'd like
13:30<Riggy>well i meant uploading
13:30<JasonS>Riggy: guess that depends where you're trying to upload to
13:30<tmg1|chthulhu>Riggy: as in you're tring to upload and you're getting permission failures/
13:30<lupine_85>ssh and sftp are the ultimate
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13:30<lupine_85>lets you upload /and/ edit
13:31<lupine_85>also, fish:// if you're on KDE
13:31<Riggy>yeah it keeps saying i dont have permission
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13:31<tmg1|chthulhu>ok that's a different problem
13:31<tmg1|chthulhu>is the server yours?
13:32<Riggy>yeah its mine
13:32<Riggy>i think i have sorted it now tho
13:32<JasonS>Riggy: and you're trying to upload to wehre on the server?
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13:34<Riggy>well im trying to get the index on
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13:35<JasonS>Riggy: try uploading some place else then moving it when you ssh in
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13:42<Riggy>for a server where do you put the index file? is it in /var/www/
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13:44<lost_soul>Riggy, you can choose where you wanna put it in the .conf file
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13:45<lost_soul>default is in /var/www/apache2-default
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13:47<Riggy>where is the .conf file
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13:48<lupine_85>there are several
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13:49<lost_soul>bah... rar is being difficult
13:51<DavidS>hi! just found the "make a wish" foundation, which has a kind of debian swirl in the logo:
13:51<hever>hej, which POP and IMAP deamons should I use? I need MySQL Database authentication and I think I want the maildir format....
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13:54<alexandre67377>je suis en train de finir d'installer un serveur mail
13:54<alexandre67377>mais lorsque j'essaye de lancer mutt
13:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
13:54<alexandre67377>il me dit que mon dossier n'est pas une boite aux lettrex
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13:54<azeem>alexandre67377: that has nothing to do with a mail server
13:55<azeem>well, not much
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13:59<blubberdiblub>hever: i'm using dovecot as IMAP server, but there are many other possibilities. try: apt-cache search pop imap server
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14:01<hever>blubberdiblub: I know what serveres available but I'm not sure which I should use.
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14:01<hever>I read the best is cyrus... Its flexible and secure
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14:03<jesperj>Trying to install and use i810fb, guides on the net says to edit grub.conf, but I don't have one. Should I edit menu.1st instead or create a grub.conf on a Debian system?
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14:03<blubberdiblub>hever: if you find its features serve you best, why not just try it :)
14:03<opm8>jesper, edit menu.lst, it's the same thing.
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14:04<hever>blubberdiblub: I say this to my friends the same way ;) Ok lets give cyrus a chance...
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14:14<fatih>hi all
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14:19<flexy>is there a nice way to get wired eth0 running dhcp if/when the rj45 cable gets plugged in?? (it's a laptop, mostly on wlan)
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14:22<creeed>I compiled a programm witch erase /usr/lib/apt/methods/http and remplace it with an other methos, witch use axel on downloading pkgs from the web.. so now I have problems with apt I cant update my /etc/apt/srouces.list! how can I get the old /usr/apt/methods/http again $)?
14:23<creeed>I mean /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
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14:26<dkr>reinstall the apt package?
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14:26<Stanko>hi all
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14:27<Riggy>why do i get a 403 when i try and access my server here:
14:27<zsozi>join #fluxbox-fr
14:28<creeed>dkr I'm afraid to break my system to removing apt
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14:30<creeed>can someone send me his /usr/lib/apt/methods/http please :)
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14:34<flexy>creeed: what arch?
14:34<creeed>amd64 :(
14:35<stew>creeed: what is wrong with your own?
14:35<flexy>no probs
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14:36<flexy>is there a nice way to get wired eth0 running dhcp if/when the rj45 cable gets plugged in?? (it's a laptop, mostly on wlan)
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14:36<creeed>stew, removed trying to replace it with an other one
14:36<flexy>as in, when the eth0 gets a status link up
14:37<stew>creeed: what are you actually trying to do?
14:38<harold>phew, took me some time al in all but got my server running again...
14:40<Riggy>anyone know how i can sort this out:
14:40<creeed>stew, I dont know!
14:41<stew>creeed: why are you replacing /usr/lib/apt/methods/http ?
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14:41<stew>creeed: are you just trying to replace it with what was there becuase it is now missing?
14:41<creeed>I wanna increase the download of the pkgs to using an other prog as wget
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14:43<stew>creeed: what version of /usr/lib/apt/methods/http are you trying to get?
14:44<creeed>noone, just a programm that create a new /usr/lib/apt/methods/http ans remove the old one
14:44<creeed> I compiled it
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14:44<creeed>the new one seems not to be working and now I need to get my old one back!
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14:44<stew>creeed: aptitude reinstall apt
14:45<creeed>I would but I dont want to break my system by removing apt ans reinstall it again!
14:45<stew>creeed: yeah, you shouldn't uninstall apt, just reinstall it
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14:46<Riggy>can anyone help?
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14:47<stew>Riggy: chech /var/log/apache2/error.log for the exact error
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14:48<creeed>problem resolved thanks stew
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14:50<creeed>aptitud reinstalled apt but I still dot have http on /usr/lib/apt/methods but I discovered an http.distrib on the directory, that was my old one!
14:50<Riggy>stew: [Mon Dec 17 19:34:20 2007] [error] [client] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /var/www/sharedip/
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14:51<stew>Riggy: are you expecting to see a directory listing of the sharedip folder when you browse to that url?
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14:52<stew>Riggy: what were you expecting to see?
14:52<stew>creeed: is that file mentioned in /var/lib/dpkg/diversions ?
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14:53<creeed>stew, it was in the same directory!! : /
14:53<Riggy>whenever i put index.html in the /var/www/ or /var/www/apache2-default it doesnt show up
14:54<creeed>I dont know how it been created but it's there!
14:54<stew>creeed: is that file mentioned in /var/lib/dpkg/diversions ?
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14:54<stew>Riggy: something is telling apache to be looking in /var/www/sharedip, not in /var/www nor /var/www/apache2-default/
14:55<creeed>stew; yes it is :)
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14:56<creeed>stew, can you tell me something about that?
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14:57<Riggy>well now its just saying 403 error - forbidden
14:57<stew>creeed: man dpkg-divert
14:57<creeed> thanks :)
14:58<stew>Riggy: right now, when you go to that url, it is looking in /var/www/sharedip and not finding an index.html or index.php or anything like that, so it is falling back on showing a listing of the files contained in /var/www/sharedip, however your configuration says that a file listing isn't permitted
14:58<Riggy>well i have put the index in /sharedip now
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15:01<andrej>hey folk !
15:01<andrej>i got flash player working in full screen !!!
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15:03<jay__>how many screens and how many devices do you need to setup dual monitoring in your xorg.conf?
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15:04<jay__>Dual monitoring works for me but my gnome panel doesn't stretch across both dekstops
15:05<jay__>and it's like each monitor has it's own alt+tab... if i click somewhere on the display at left... alt+tab is displayed in the center of that monitor... and alt+tab is display at the center of the second screen if i click something on the seconary display.
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15:09<creeed>does anybody know how can I install the man-dokumentations for devellopers (man [2, 3, 4 8, 9])
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15:19<chealer>creeed: manpages-dev provides 2 and 3. I think 4 and 8 should be installed by default and I'm not aware that there's a 9.
15:20<Riggy>stew: i have put the index file in /sharedip and it still says 403
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15:20<stew>Riggy: what is the name of the index file?
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15:23<creeed>thanks chealer :)
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15:24<Riggy>stew: index.html
15:25<stew>Riggy: what is the error from /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
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15:26<Riggy>[Mon Dec 17 20:03:24 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
15:26<Riggy>PHP Warning: Module 'json' already loaded in Unknown on line 0
15:26<Riggy>[Mon Dec 17 20:03:26 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c configured -- resuming normal operations
15:26<Riggy>[Mon Dec 17 20:03:30 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
15:26<Riggy>[Mon Dec 17 20:03:32 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
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15:26<Riggy>ok wont do that again
15:27<Riggy>stew: that is the error log /\/\/\
15:27<stew>Riggy: i didn't see any errors, /msg dpkg paste
15:28<Riggy>[Mon Dec 17 20:03:33 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c configured -- resuming normal operations
15:28<Riggy>that was the last error
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15:30<Riggy>stew: [Mon Dec 17 20:03:33 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c configured -- resuming normal operations
15:30<Riggy>stew: [Mon Dec 17 20:03:32 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
15:30<Riggy>PHP Warning: Module 'json' already loaded in Unknown on line 0
15:30<myth>hey guys, im trying to install a deb package and it extracts to the /opt dir but since my root dir is partitioned only for the os i need to install it someplace else. how do i do this with dpkg? instdir does nothing
15:30<SpeedyG>!tell Riggy about paste
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15:31<stew>myth: you can't practically. debian pacakges should not be installing into opt in the first place
15:32<stew>myth: what package is it? where did you get it?
15:32<myth>from the nessus website
15:32<stew>Riggy: you are looking at the wrong log file then
15:32<myth>debian mirrors only have the old version
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15:32<stew>myth: right becuase nessus is no longer free iirc
15:33<stew>Riggy: and, in fact, there is no longer an error when you visit that url
15:33<Riggy>thanks for the help
15:33<myth>if its not free how come i downloaded it from their site :P
15:33<myth>its closed source now or else i would have compiled it from source
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15:34<stew>myth: its closed source, which is why i'm saying it is not free, and which is why debian doesn't have a more recent version
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15:36<myth>i even extracted the deb and created the links but it seems like the directories are almost hard coded
15:36<myth>cause it will error out on startup looking for its folders in the opt dir
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15:38<stew>myth: i should correct myself. its not the fact that it is closed source that debian doesn't provide a more recent version, its that the license that comes with the 3.0 versions specificly prohibits debian from distributing the software in any way
15:38<myth>thats pretty lame
15:38<myth>someone else should host
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15:41<stew>myth: i don't mean that the licenase says 'debian cannot' do whatever, it says that nobody is allowed to redistribute the software
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15:44<jay__>I have both postgres 8.1 and 8.2 installed. How do I start 8.1?
15:45<`Butthead>Anyone know of an easy to use webmail client? ie apt-get install webmail?
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15:47<JasonS>`Butthead: aptitude install squirrelmail is one way
15:47<dkr>`Butthead: squirrelmail
15:48<dkr>`Butthead: and starting your nick with a backquote is annoying. :)
15:48<JasonS>dkr: indeed
15:49<dkr>at least `villain` doesn't have an "unmatched delimiter" error. ;)
15:51<`Butthead>dkr: how so?
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15:52<dkr>`Butthead: because it seems like a lame attempt to make your nick appear at the top of the user list and also harder for folks to type your name and/or see exactly which character it is
15:53<dkr>just a minor netiquette faux pas
15:53<JasonS>annoying to type too :) yes im nitpicking i know
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16:01<stew>if you guys are having trouble typing, there are utilities to help make yourselves better typists. if you find his nick annoying, you can easily ignore him
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16:02<kraus>hey! what do I need to add to my sources.list to be able to install msttcorefonts
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16:03<kraus>i have debian etch
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16:04<dondelelcaro>kraus: it's in non-free, iirc.
16:04<JasonS>or we can try to convince them to change heh
16:04<chealer>!tell kraus about msttcorefonts
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16:08<dkr>stew: that was a bit insulting
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16:10<kraus>so how do I get my fonts look good in the web browser?
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16:10<dkr>you can configure in iceweasel prefs to always use your own preferred font
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16:11<kraus>i'm using epiphany
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16:36<Schroeder>in dkr's defense, simply mentioning that someone finds something "annoying" is hardly "imposing" anything
16:36<Schroeder>it's not like he was saying "change your nick or I'm going to beat the living shit out of you"
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16:38<zhabik>how can i mount smb-sharez, if sharename is big (from 2 or more words)? z.b. "Meine Documenten"?
16:38<zhabik>/ Documenten
16:39<zhabik>"Meine\ Documenten" not work
16:40<Maulkin>Use either quotes (") or escapes (\), but not both
16:41<zhabik>i'm tried this, but this not work too
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16:42<zhabik>sudo mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=utf8,codepage=cp866,dmask=777,fmask=666,rw // Documenten /mnt/big
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16:43<themill>zhabik: watch out for the space in Meine Documenten
16:43<zhabik>how can i do it?
16:44<themill>either use: Meine\ Documenten
16:44<zhabik>this not work
16:44<themill>or "// Documenten"
16:44<Maulkin>"\\\Meine Documenten" ?
16:45<blubberdiblub>forward slashes will be fine
16:45<themill>Maulkin: only under windoze.... I think mount.smbfs and mount.cifs want / not \
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16:46<themill>Maulkin: And you'd need some extra slashes to protect the \ from the shell too. It gets ugly quickly :(
16:46<blubberdiblub>well, i think they can handle both, but you'd have to remember the escape the backslashes ;)
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16:47<lupine_85>you should always use /, whether on windows or linux
16:47<lupine_85>windows accepts /, after all
16:48<themill>lupine_85: mostly. except when it bites you in the arse and doesn't
16:48<zhabik>ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) SMB connection failed
16:48<zhabik>"" - not work
16:49<zhabik>"// Documenten"
16:49<zhabik>/\ Documenten - not work too
16:50<zhabik>SMB connection failed
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16:50<_nbd>smb:// ?
16:52<zhabik>there is no gui
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16:53<_nbd>what about smbclient ..?
16:54<zhabik> smbclient -L
16:54<zhabik>Domain=[NIKOLAY] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
16:54<zhabik> Sharename Type Comment
16:54<zhabik> --------- ---- -------
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17:00<kc6116>hi all ...
17:00<kc6116>may be someone here can help me solving my problem
17:01<kc6116>im tryin to install a net-inst i386
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17:02<kc6116>cd image is normally booting and after selecting language und keyboard layout the system performs a cdrom check
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17:02<kc6116>theres the problem
17:03<kc6116>it tells me, that no cdrom could be founed and i am asked to insert a disc to load special drivers
17:03<kc6116>the wired thing is, that this installation menu is coming up via cdrom
17:04<Christmas>kc6116 it you are trying etch have a look at this thread:
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17:04<kc6116>i tried diffrent cdroms ata & sata but no nchange
17:04<Christmas>i had the same problem and installed lenny and it works
17:04<kc6116>whats lenny
17:04<Christmas>sorry, actually this is the thread
17:04<kc6116>never heard of lenny
17:04<Christmas>it's the testing version of debian
17:04<kc6116>a ok
17:05<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
17:05<Christmas>the next release like sarge, etch, lenny
17:05<kc6116>where can i get it?
17:05<themill>You could also look at the kmuto installer which will probably solve your problem without having to use "testing"
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17:05<Christmas>under the "current weekly snapshot of Debian testing:"
17:05<themill>kc6116: if you can get etch to install but using a newer installer then that's preferable to using lenny/testing.
17:06<Christmas>yeah exactly
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17:06<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
17:06<Christmas>read the thread i pointed you at, it shows there
17:07<kc6116>this thread links ends up in the normal forum
17:08<themill>kc6116: if you have to ask what lenny is then you are involved enough in debian to cope with the sometimes rough ride you will get using it. Lenny is work-in-progress and won't provide a nice stable base for a desktop machine like etch will. The kmuto installer (above) should be able to install on your hardware but you'll end up with stable not testing at the end of the day.
17:10<chealer>themill: I suppose you forgot a "not".
17:10<kc6116>so u guess the kmuto images will work with the edge version
17:10<kc6116>i guess to
17:10<kc6116>but sound great for me
17:10<chealer>kc6116: which version did you try to install?
17:10<themill>chealer: yes... oops.
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17:12<kc6116>i tried this version
17:12<kc6116>but i did not find out what kernel is brought with
17:13<kc6116>did someone know if kmuto has a newer one build inside?
17:14<themill>kc6116: that installer uses the 2.6.18 kernel. the current kmuto images are using 2.6.23
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17:15<kc6116>so i give it a try ... are this kmuto images net-inst?
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17:17<kc6116>thx a lot for help
17:17<kc6116>hope that works tomorrow
17:17<luis>hello folks..
17:17<kc6116>have a nice day and merry xmas
17:18<luis>guys,does anyone knows a way of viewing user login time?
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17:18<themill>luis: last
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17:22<Tuplad>hey, how do I "hibernate" my computer ?
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17:22<Tuplad>I want to go to sleep and want to leave my computer running using the lowest amount of resources possible
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17:23<themill>Tuplad: s2disk or s2ram seem to be the easiest way
17:23<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
17:23<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
17:24<themill>Tuplad: ^^ there's a guide to getting it working if you have trouble. If often just works, but it often needs some faffing about too.
17:24<Tuplad>ok :)
17:24<Tuplad>it's not in my aptitute :<
17:24<themill>Tuplad: I use kpowersave as a nice UI to setting it going. gnome-power-blahblah can do it to but uses a slightly different backend.
17:25<themill>Tuplad: it's in the uswsusp package
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17:25<Tuplad>oh, su rocks my socks >_>
17:26<Tuplad>my machine is unknown, what if I force it ?
17:26<Tuplad>lol, I'm afraid to use it :p
17:26<themill>Tuplad: if you point it to the wrong partition then you will kill that partition horribly. Otherwise, you just risk a hard crash.
17:27<themill>Tuplad: The hard crash isn't that bad. Just don't have anything unsaved while you're experimenting.
17:27<Tuplad>hard crash is very bad
17:27<Tuplad>this is my only computer, has 120gb (soon to be full - 30gb free) and have no other computer :]
17:27<themill>Tuplad: Starting from the console only (no X) is best.
17:27<Tuplad>gotta buy an extern harddrive ;)
17:27<themill>Tuplad: Are you running ext3?
17:28<Tuplad>what's that ? it's like fat32 and ntfs right?
17:28<Tuplad>excuses, I'm a newbie :) not using linux for long
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17:28<themill>Tuplad: the file system that you have installed on. FAT32 and NTFS are microsoft file systems
17:28<themill>Tuplad: ext3 is the debian default these days.
17:29<Tuplad>then it's probably that
17:29<Tuplad>I have 3 drives, 2 are mounted from windows
17:29<Tuplad>I had windows before
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17:29<Tuplad>both are vfat
17:29<Tuplad>and / is ext3
17:29<themill>Tuplad: ext3 is reasonably resilient to a hard crash and it comes back quickly. ext2 and FAT drives will take a very long time to scan the disk (think checkdisk) after a crash.
17:30<g3>who can help me with openvpn setup?
17:30<themill>Tuplad: while experimenting, unmount the vfat drives if you can. Might save a little pain.
17:30<Tuplad>themill: to be sure, I'll back it all up before doing such practices
17:30<Tuplad>themill: so yeah, waiting till christmas :D
17:31<themill>Tuplad: Hope santa brings you a nice shiny hard drive then!
17:31<Tuplad>haha :D I hope he will
17:31<Tuplad>and some ram, because mine is probably broken or my system is unstable :]
17:31<Tuplad>there was this program, someone gave me a link to it once, it was to check the ram memory
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17:32<Tuplad>memtest ?
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17:33<Tuplad>yeah, memtest86+ does it exactly work ? how do I find out if my ram is damaged or anything
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17:34<Insu>memtest just checks the memory register bit by bit.
17:35<Insu>and it will let you know if there is some problems with memory
17:35<Tuplad>aha, but it's up to me to find out what it is ? or it can it prescribe the symptom ? :]
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17:36<Insu>Nope. There is lots of ditribution where you can run the memtest in the boot
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17:36<Tuplad>I didnt exactly get that, with distribution you mean like a linux distribution ?
17:36<Insu>you just choose to run the memtest and it will do everything by itself..
17:36<Tuplad>I'll check aptitude
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17:37<Insu>you should do it right in the boot when the memory is clean
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17:38<Tuplad>what you mean?
17:38<Insu>because if some programs have been loaded in to memory, it's pretty impossible to test that section of the memory
17:38<Insu>just like updating your BIOS
17:38<Insu>wait a sec
17:39<Insu>you should get a knoppix
17:39<Insu>download the knoppix, burn it to cd and reboot the system with it and run the memtest
17:39<Tuplad>roger that
17:40<Insu>btw i have never used a knoppix but there should be a option for memtest...
17:41<Tuplad>ok, I will do that
17:41<Tuplad>I'm really tired now and I'll go and get some sleep :]
17:41<Tuplad>thank you very much for the info
17:41<Insu>and knoppix is based to debian :)
17:41<chealer>Insu: why would he do that?
17:41<Insu>ok. have a nice sleep
17:41<Insu>why would do what ? Check the memory ?
17:42<chealer>Insu: downloading knoppix?
17:42<_nbd>memtest can be loaded with any debian install cd ...
17:42<Insu>Ah.. ok then.. forget it.
17:42<Tuplad>so I shouldn't get knoppix?
17:42<Insu>no needed
17:43<_nbd>just boot the first debian install cd
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17:44<myth>anyone here have nessus 3.0 installed?
17:45<Tuplad>_nbd: right, thanks
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17:45<Tuplad>but I have the 700mb thingie
17:46<_nbd>what do you mean ..?
17:46<Tuplad>the 700mb cd
17:46<Tuplad>the prepackaged minimum installation
17:47<_nbd>this one should be right ... you just need to run memtest ?
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17:49<_nbd>good luck :)
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17:49<Tuplad>so I should just use the installation cd?
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17:49<Tuplad>aight then, thanks Insu, thanks _nbd, I'm outie
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17:58<themill>dpkg: greet the
17:58<dpkg>Tag, the
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18:15<the>Hello. I am new to linux and installed it yesterday. I am having problems changing the resolution and have tried many things including editing the xorg.conf file... If anyone can just guide me through to get my monitor to display linux fully, even if I have to reinstall linux. I would be forever grateful.
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18:17<chealer>the: which Debian suite do you use?
18:17<tmg1|chthulhu>the: try shift-alt-ctl +
18:17<tmg1|chthulhu>or some combination of shift-alt-ctl, I can't remember
18:17<tmg1|chthulhu>alternatively there is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:17<tmg1|chthulhu>(Which will edit your xorg.conf file)
18:17<tmg1|chthulhu>does it load at all or does it just fail with errors
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18:19<the>Uhh... I used the netinstall disc, is that a problem?
18:19<icks>it shouldn't be
18:19<the>no the shortcut key doesnt work :\
18:19<the>It loads
18:20<the>ive done the dpkg-configure xserver-xorg before... It edited the Xorg.conf file etc, but when I went to the screen resolution panel the only option was 680x480 -.-
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18:21<chealer>the: it's not a problem, but there are netinstall discs for several Debian suites.
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18:21<chealer>the: which X video driver do you use?
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18:22<tmg1|chthulhu>the: what driver are you using? sounds like vga
18:22<tmg1|chthulhu>oh sorry, missed that chealer
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18:26<the>xvideo driver?... Ill go look at what its set at.
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18:26<ranix>this computer can pull almost 300 bogomips
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18:27<ranix>it's screaming fast
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18:28<brislingf>hi all :)
18:29<brislingf>how can i change a users homedir without deleting the user.
18:29<dmoerner_>brislingf, what do you mean change their homedir
18:29<dmoerner_>dmoerner_, change its location? change its name? change its contents?
18:30<kooll>brislingf: man usermod
18:31<themill>the: if you've got an i810, then you will probably want the i810resolution package.
18:31<myth>I have /opt and /var/opt on 2 different partitions and I want to anything installed in /opt to go to /var/opt, I just need to mount the one directory to the other correct?
18:31<the>thanks themill.
18:32<the>where can I find these?
18:32<chealer>the: do not send a non-personal message in private without asking for permission first. when you answer someone and want a reply quickly, highlight them.
18:32<the>very sorry
18:32<themill>the: aptitude install i810resolution
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18:32<chealer>the: so, which Debian suite do you use?
18:33<the>What do you mean suite ?... :$
18:33<chealer>themill: you must be thinking about 915resolution
18:33<the>I was following a certain guide on the internet
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18:33<the>it told me to download debian, didnt say anything about a suite
18:33<chealer>the: version or branch
18:34<themill>chealer: urgh... thought there was a i810 one too... oh well...
18:34<the>how do I check?
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18:35<chealer>!tell the about debian version
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18:35<chealer>themill: you must be thinking about 855resolution
18:36<themill>chealer: *sigh* yeah... one of them.... :(
18:37<chealer>the: it said 4.0%
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18:37<jesperj>I got problems with grub and framebuffer. The line for my new kernel entry in menu.1st looks like "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18 root=/dev/hda1 ro video=i810fb:vram:4,xres:1024,yres:768,bpp:16,hsync1:30,hsync2:55,vsync1:50,vsync2:85,accel" and when I boot with it, i do get the framebuffer in nice res, but I get an error about vfs and unable to load (0,0) or similar and to append a correct root=/, but it IS correct since it works w
18:37<jesperj>ith other kernelentries (just that I have added that extra line)
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18:38<the>it said 4.0
18:38<the>yea 4.0
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18:40<chealer>the: then it's etch, yes.
18:40<chealer>the: what kind of screen do you use?
18:41<the>chealer: Laptop... Dell inspiron 1100
18:41<chealer>the: what's the native resolution?
18:41<jesperj>help appreciated
18:43<the>chealer: what do you reccomend
18:44<brislingf>kooll: thx i found the solution :)
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18:44<chealer>the: your laptop should have only one native resolution.
18:44<chealer>I have to go, I'll be back later.
18:44<the>ill go look on dells website
18:44<the>thanks for ytour help
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18:46<chealer>the: you're sure that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only offers 640x480?
18:46<bebin>is debian stable
18:46<Hideo_Kuze>hell yeah
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18:49<bebin>will debian become a comercial os
18:49<Hideo_Kuze>hell no
18:50<the>no, I meant the prefrences panel. Should I run the dpkg again?
18:50<Hideo_Kuze>at least I don't think it ever will
18:50<bebin>is debian better than redhat or suse
18:51<Hideo_Kuze>better is subjectivee
18:51<the>chealer: no, I meant the prefrences panel. Should I run the dpkg again?
18:51<stew>bebin: it will not become commercial. you might want to read /msg dpkg sc ; /msg dpkg constitution
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18:53<uiliangurjon>alguem do brasil?????
18:53<bebin>how to speed the bittornado in debian it has a yellow light on it
18:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:54<the>chealer: should I run the dpkg again and make sure I only ?select the native resolution
18:56<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: you might wanna enable portforwarding if you're behind nat or a firewall
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18:58<bebin>hideo: how to enabel portforwarding
18:59<Hideo_Kuze>that depends on your network devices?
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19:01<bebin>hideo can you help me i dont know anything about network denices or linux configuration
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19:02<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: knowing that the default debian installation does not put up a fw, it's all up to your physical router/ap/fw
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19:02<Hideo_Kuze>and I have no idea what you use and how to configure them
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19:03<bebin>hideo: ok
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19:04<the>what happened to chealer
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19:05<bebin>hideo: how to instal java5 or later for limewire in debian
19:06<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: sun-java6-bin
19:06<Hideo_Kuze>I don't know about limewire
19:07<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: do apt-cache search sun-java
19:08<Hideo_Kuze>oh I believe it's non-free
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19:09<Alex>Hey all. I'm trying to install spamassassin using apt-get and I'm getting an error
19:09<Alex>Errors were encountered while processing:
19:09<Alex>modutils, hotplug, etc...
19:09<bebin>hideo: yes sun-java6 how to get it and intall it
19:10<Alex>Why is this happening? I thought apt-get handled dependencies?
19:10<Alex>More importantly, how do I fix these issues?
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19:10<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: apt-get install sun-java6-bin
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19:14<Hideo_Kuze>Alex: apt-get --fix-broken install ?
19:14<Hideo_Kuze>Alex: not guaranteeing anything
19:14<Hideo_Kuze>it may breaks even worse
19:14<Alex>why am I getting those errors in the first place?
19:15<Alex>I thought apt-get handled depedenciews?
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19:16<tmg1|chthulhu>the: did you try running dpkg-reconfigure with the 'correct' default?
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19:20<uiliangurjon>someone uses the wireless card intel pro 3945 A/B/G?????
19:21<the>tmg1|chthulhu:what do you mean correct default.
19:21<Hideo_Kuze>too many question marks dude
19:21<bebin>why frostwire is unstable it users my full cpu how to prevent it
19:23<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: almost anything uses java is known to slow down your computer
19:24<Hideo_Kuze>same can be said for azureus
19:24<the>im doing the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right now... Does anyone know if I should use framebuffer?
19:25<the>Someone help please :)
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19:25<tmg1|chthulhu>the: no framebuffer!
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19:27<tmg1|chthulhu>it's alt-ctl-shift +/- btw, just doublechecked
19:27<tmg1|chthulhu>but that's only if the driver supports it
19:28<chealer>the: no need to use the framebuffer, no.
19:28<chealer>the: you should run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; and select at least the native resolution, then restart X
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19:29<the>kdb rule set?
19:29<tmg1|chthulhu>default (probably xorg), unless you're on some nonenglish keyboard
19:29<the>o ok
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19:30<the>keyboard variant?
19:31<the>chealer: what do you mean by restart X?
19:32<tmg1|chthulhu>the: is xorg running?
19:32<tmg1|chthulhu>as in do you have a gui on any of your ttys?
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19:32<tmg1|chthulhu>ar you running dpkg-reconfigure inside that window by chance?
19:33<tmg1|chthulhu>try getting out of there
19:33<tmg1|chthulhu>like ctl-shift-alt-f1
19:33<tmg1|chthulhu>well, finishing the dpkg-reconfigure first
19:33<tmg1|chthulhu>you can go back if you've already left (probably alt-f7)
19:34<chealer>the: X (X11) is the windowing system which is started at the end of the boot process. you need to restart it for changes to configuration to take effect.
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19:35<the>lets see, I am at the point in the reconfig where I choose autodetect... Should I try manual?
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19:37<the>chealer: what should I put for monitor identifier
19:37<the>as its a laptop and there is no specific model... Does this even matter?
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19:39<chealer>the: the default should do. no.
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19:41<the>how about this: simple/medium or advanced ?
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19:42<bebin>how to find the ram bus speed
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19:44<the>chealer: what video config should I select simple/medium or advanced?
19:44<chealer>the: I'd try the default.
19:45<the>chealer: as in the default values?
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19:46<the>chealer: I went with default.... I guess I should restart now?
19:47<bebin>hay guys can anone say how to find the ram bus speed
19:47<chealer>the: yes
19:47<stroyan>the: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart will be enough. That will fully restart the X server.
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19:53<the>thanks EVERYONE for this
19:53<the>especially chealer
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19:58<luciano_uisk>just a fast question
19:58<luciano_uisk>why the default runlevel of debian is 2?
19:58<luciano_uisk>shouldnt it be 5?
19:58<quitte>hi. could someone help me figure out how update-menus works? installing scummvm gives me a nice menu icon in gnomes panel. but removing /usr/share/menu/scummvm and running update-menus dosn't remove it.
19:58<Supaplex>can I get a few suggestions for an scp that'll queue+wait for the remote system to come online? I'd like to use this to scp print jobs to my ibook. epson released gpl native linux cups drivers for the stylus r260, but all I find are broken sources :-/
19:59<quitte>Couldn't figure out what the packae does by looking at thepostinst and postrm scripts,either
19:59<Supaplex>luciano_uisk: it can be what ever you want. debian defaults to 2, and 3 4 and 5 are by default the same.
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20:00<chealer>luciano_uisk: because it has to be
20:01<luciano_uisk>but the system will need more time to boot if i put the runlevel as 5?
20:01<luciano_uisk>and how can i boot without X in single user mode?
20:01<luciano_uisk>it isnt changing runlevels, ...
20:01<Supaplex>not unless you have more services setup in 5. don't confuse debian with some other distro defaults.
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20:02<Supaplex>!single user mode
20:02<dpkg>single user mode is telinit 1, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. or reboot and choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu
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20:03<luciano_uisk>so the recovery mode doesnt goes to the init bootscripts?
20:03<Supaplex>luciano_uisk: any reason you don't want X? nodm? rescue?
20:03<luciano_uisk>it just loads the initrd?
20:03<Supaplex>it'll run the rcS.d+rc1.d
20:03<luciano_uisk>no, it is just that i taught that X would go up in runlevel 5 normally, ...
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20:04<luciano_uisk>and if i didnt want X, as in a server, i just could set the default runlevel as 3, ..
20:04<luciano_uisk>i taught that it was a pattern in all unixes , ...
20:04<luciano_uisk>my mistake, ..
20:05<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
20:06<Supaplex>with <nodm> you'd have to type startx after logging in.
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20:07<luciano_uisk>can i just remove by hand the Xorg symlink on /etc/rc2.s ?
20:07<luciano_uisk>or it would be too much brute force?
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20:07<bebin>will different ram speed slow the debian
20:08<Supaplex>update-rc.d is available, but if you really want to do it by hand *shrug* no harm.
20:09<luciano_uisk>ok, thanks for the informations
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20:14<real0ne>i can't load the demon of gnome preference
20:14<real0ne>can any one helpme
20:15<tmg1|chthulhu>real0ne: what do you mean?
20:16<real0ne>i have restart my debain
20:16<real0ne>and have this message
20:17<real0ne>" it is impossible to use Nautilus"
20:17<real0ne>and the second message is
20:18<real0ne>" there are error with démon of gnom preference
20:18<real0ne>help me plz
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20:20<real0ne>any one can help mz
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20:22<bebin>will wine cause virus in debian
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20:24<real0ne>and how can solve this Problem
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20:29<bebin>how to make the partition accessable for all users
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20:30<basava>what linux compatibility issues do i need to consider in a new laptop?
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20:35<luciano_uisk>some little things, ...
20:35<luciano_uisk>where can i change the default programs in debian, if it is possible?
20:36<luciano_uisk>when i do a "tab" "tab" in a much large folder, it uses "more", and i wanted to use "less", ...
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20:36<luciano_uisk>and i wanted to change the default keymap in console mode, ..
20:36<luciano_uisk>is there possible?
20:36<tmg1|chthulhu>luciano_uisk: default programs?
20:36<tmg1|chthulhu>as in default applications for opening things?
20:37<tmg1|chthulhu>or as in which programs are installed?
20:37<luciano_uisk>yes, that is, ..
20:37<tmg1|chthulhu>and is this gnome, kde, ??
20:37<luciano_uisk>no, wich default applications to open things, ..
20:37<luciano_uisk>gnome, in debian, ..
20:38<luciano_uisk>but i wanted to work too in console mode, noot just in the Xorg, ..
20:38<tmg1|chthulhu>should be an option in the gnome control center (desktop prefs preferred-applications
20:38<tmg1|chthulhu>(or apps->debian->apps->system->gnome->gnome control center?
20:39<tmg1|chthulhu>not sure about the less/more thing
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20:41<luciano_uisk>ah, and is it possible to me to add some folders into the default menu?
20:41<luciano_uisk>or it is too complicated?
20:42<chealer>luciano_uisk: there are alternatives in /etc/
20:43<tmg1|chthulhu>just drag & drop afaik
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20:44<quitte>luciano_uisk: look at update-alternatives. might be the "pager" you have to change to use less instead of more
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20:46<luciano_uisk>it isnt in /etc/ nor in path, ...
20:46<quitte>man update-alternatives
20:46<luciano_uisk>my mistake, ..
20:46<luciano_uisk>is in /usr/sbin, ..
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20:49<Supaplex>fscking kmail must die. humm let's see if there's a newer package in sid. (yay for vserver)
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20:52<Supaplex>that's a negatory :(
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20:58<GrisUNO>hola alguien sabe de algun repositorio para instalar avant ?
20:58<GrisUNO>para debian etch
20:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:13<hever>Hi, is it possible to store disk quotas in a database ?
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21:31[~]Supaplex downloads the sid kdepim-dbg, and After unpacking 450MB will be used. o.O
21:31<Supaplex>and deps...
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21:35<chealer>Supaplex: you sound like you'd appreciate someone to share your Debian joys. why not converting a friend to Debian?
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21:36<Supaplex>I do all the time :)
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21:44<Supaplex>are binaries in /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ suppose to be 0755? (eg, reportbug kdepim-dbg) Mine are 0644
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21:48<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: they should be 0644;
21:48<dondelelcaro>(though it doesn't really matter)
21:49<Supaplex>I guess I have to hackup the $ld_preload to?
21:50<Supaplex>I changed it to 0755, and ldd has NFC where the libs are, but file says it's /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/kmail: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
21:51<Supaplex>ohhh, aptitude show tells me more.
21:52<Supaplex>so they're only loaded when the symbols are needed? eg, ala gdb etc.
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21:59<imichel>does anybody why xmms keeps segfaulting_
21:59<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: right
21:59<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: they're relaly only of any use when you're debugging
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21:59<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: the idea is that you can take a corefile, install the appropriate -dbg packages, and figure out why whatever package you're using segfaulted
22:05[~]Supaplex files kmail bug #3 for the night. all different bugs. :P
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22:13<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: hehe thanks. looks like the pkg maintainer suggested it to. GMTA.
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22:16<dondelelcaro>Supaplex:;pkg=kmail works, btw. ;-)
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22:17<dondelelcaro>(though since I haven't written the selection bits for it, I can't really expect anyone to know that
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22:20<Supaplex>fer kewl
22:20<Supaplex>dpkg: dondelelcaro++
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22:30<dmb>does a debian 1.1 iso image exist for historical purposes?
22:30<dmb>or was debian 1.1 a floppy only release?
22:30<bebin>how to convrt uif format into iso or just view uif formatt
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22:31<dondelelcaro>dmb: I don't think the isos exist anymore, but would have them if they did
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22:32<dmb>dondelelcaro: is there a filename i can search on google for?
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22:33<MQDuck>hey, I'm running Windows and I want to extract a file from a .deb. is there any way to do this?
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22:34<MQDuck>hey, I'm running Windows and I want to extract a file from a .deb. is there any way to do this?
22:34<MQDuck>sorry for the redundant question
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22:35<bebin>hideo_kuze: how to convet uif formatt into iso or just view content of the uif file
22:35<lupine_85>you could grab ar from the GNU website
22:35<kmap>MQDuck: You need a version of ar for Windows
22:35<lupine_85>then ar -x your-deb
22:35<kmap>MQDuck: I am sure Cygwin has it, but maybe MinGW may also have it
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22:36<MQDuck>im running cygwin, so ill look for it there
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22:37<kmap>MQDuck: No problems.
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22:37<bebin>how to convrt uif format into iso or just view uif formatt
22:38<Supaplex>uif? does file -k say it's an ISO9660 image?
22:38<MQDuck>cygwin doesnt have any package called "ar", but the gnu website will have it?
22:39<dmb>cygwin definitly does have ar included
22:39<bebin>supaplex: i dont know how to find it is an iso9660 file
22:40<dmb>its not a separate package for it though
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22:40<MQDuck>would it have a different package name?
22:40<lupine_85>it's not a package - just a binary
22:40<lupine_85>it'd be in the binutils package
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22:41<MQDuck>i somehow never thought to install bintools
22:41<Supaplex>bebin: with the file command ...
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22:44<MQDuck>the packaged somehow managed to not have the file i wanted, despite what told me, but everything worked otherwise. thanks, guys!
22:44<bebin>supaplex: i am new to linux is dont know any comand i ha a.uif file what is the command to find it is a ISO9660 file
22:45<Supaplex>supaplex@sid:~$ whatis file
22:45<Supaplex>file (1) - determine file type
22:45<Supaplex>run file path/to/your/nifty/someodd.uif
22:45<Supaplex>see what it spits out.
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22:47<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: I've no idea what a uif file is sorry :P
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22:48<bebin>supaplex: sorry i cant understand what you say anyway thanks friend
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22:49<Hideo_Kuze>bebin: he says that you type "file yourfile.uif"
22:49<Hideo_Kuze>to see what it says
22:49<Supaplex>you'd have to open a terminal and run it on the command line
22:50<bebin>hideo_kuze: ok
22:50<bebin>supaplex: i opened the terminal now what command i have to run on it
22:51<Supaplex>kmail hates me.
22:51<Supaplex>bebin: what's the file name?
22:51<Supaplex>type: file -k filename.uif
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22:53<bebin>supaplex: it says /Desktop/a.uif: data
22:54<pravus>i don't use debian, so excuse the n00bishness. does debian install with an 'admin' user and if so, does it come with a particular default password? if the password is random, how is it randomized?
22:54<Supaplex>bebin: so how big is the file?
22:54<Supaplex>pravus: root, no, you set that.
22:54<pravus>Supaplex: no, an actual user named 'admin'
22:55<bebin>supaplex: 1.2 GB is the size of the file
22:55<kmap>pravus: There is no admin. root is created by default.
22:55<Supaplex>no supaplex@sid:~$ id admin
22:55<Supaplex>id: admin: No such user
22:55<pravus>very strange. ok. thanks.
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22:55<Supaplex>pravus: unix has been that way for ... uh longer than I've been alive. :)
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22:56<kmap>Supaplex: He went before you could say that! ;-)
22:56<Supaplex>bebin: I'm not really sure. k3b might know how to open it
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22:56<Supaplex>kmap: yup, irc's wonderful that way sometimes.
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22:56<kmap>Supaplex: +1.
22:57<bebin>supaplex: k3b was not able to open it there is tool call all to iso when i used it simply stays still
22:58<bebin>supaplex: all2iso
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23:00<Supaplex>it's a mystery to me. any idea what created the file, or where it came from?
23:02<Hideo_Kuze>I don't know if there's a *nix utility for it tho
23:02<Supaplex>heh let's hax it up with wine.
23:03<bebin>supaplex: wine may cause windows virus
23:03<Supaplex>*moan* we have clamav for that.
23:03<Hideo_Kuze>wine can't cause virus, *scatches head*
23:04<Supaplex>s/(wine may cause)/n00bs using $1/
23:04<Supaplex>ouch. hurts to laugh.
23:05<bebin>ok i am not going to use wine it not complete and many say it has many security holes in it
23:05<Supaplex>incomplete? yes. security prone? FUD - no more prone than the crap you're running.
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23:07<Supaplex>oh and get this, anything you're running under wine is confined to your user space.
23:07<Supaplex>so it's *more* secure than most any windows box.
23:08<bebin>supaplex: i just want my debian run smooth with out any error for many i have challenged my friends that it will run for mays month without reinstalled
23:09<bebin>so installing wine has made my debian unstable previous time i dont want that to happen again
23:10<Supaplex>fair enough. I've never had to reinstall debian because of wine. Outside of pentesting/development, I don't recall ever reinstalling debian ever.
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23:12<Hideo_Kuze>ok bebin, this is a long shot, "mkdir tempmount ; sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.uif tempmount"
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23:12<Hideo_Kuze>I don't know if it works or not
23:13<bebin>supaplex: i had the many nautilus ran when i opened system monitor and when i open a single application many opened up simultanously some days after installing wine
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23:14<Supaplex>MagicISO has a freeware program called MagicDisk that can open UIF files on Windows computers. A UIF file on a Macintosh should be handled like a DMG file.
23:15<Supaplex>from the url Hideo_Kuze posted.
23:15<Supaplex>think uif is similar to udif?
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23:16<bebin>hideo_kuze its not working
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23:18<resdog>Can I ask questions here?
23:18<bebin>supaplex : guess we have to use windows after all to open a uif file ok thanks for your help on this friend
23:18<Hideo_Kuze>you just did
23:19<resdog>lol i know i just laugh at my self
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23:19<Hideo_Kuze>your question quota for the day just ran out
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23:20<Hideo_Kuze>now make questions but in the form of statements ;)
23:20<bebin>supaplex: i had the many nautilus runing in my system moniter what is the reason could it be a virus
23:21<Supaplex>I have no idea. if you think it's a virus, install clamav and scan your system
23:21<bebin>how to use pen tablet in debian
23:21<Supaplex>I'm no gnome fan, so I avoid all that stuff.
23:21<Hideo_Kuze>fluxbox + cli
23:22<resdog>I installed VNC server, how do I edit /etc/X11/Xsession so that it shows the same screen thats on the monitor?
23:22[~]Supaplex ^5's Hideo_Kuze
23:22[~]Hideo_Kuze ^5's Supaplex
23:22<bebin>supaplex: what command is used to scan the system using calamv
23:23<Hideo_Kuze>clamscan -i blah
23:23<Supaplex>try, dpkg -L <package> | grep man and find a man page or two to thumb into
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23:24<bebin>is calamv is good
23:24<Hideo_Kuze>resdog: you may wanna look at x11vnc, I don't know, never used VNC myself
23:25<bebin>supaplex: is clamav
23:25<bebin>supaplex: is clamav good
23:25<resdog>is that in /etc/X11?
23:25<Hideo_Kuze>I mean the package x11vnc
23:25<dpkg>methinks clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge.
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23:26<resdog>oh, I tried installing that but it just hanged when I tried to run it
23:26<Supaplex>I'd have to say clamav is execellent, considering much of the world is safer with it in use a a mail gateway scanner.
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23:27<bebin>can clamav can scan my files
23:28<Hideo_Kuze>resdog: I don't know, I'm sorry, I guess you should ask again so other people can help
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23:50<Woland>ÒÕÓÓËÉÊ ÑÚÙË!
23:50<bebin>how to scan a particular file using clamav
23:50<administrator>есчёб по русски
23:50<Supaplex>administrator: english please
23:50<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
23:51<bebin>supaplex: how to scan a particular file using clamav
23:51<simonrvn>clam has a cli app to do that
23:51<Woland>i have a trouble: not main installation dvd neither netinst cd boot on my acer notebook
23:51<Supaplex>I don't recall, I'd have to read the man pages, as I suggest you do.
23:51<Woland>what can be reason?
23:52<Supaplex>bebin: man is your friend :) dpkg -L package | grep /man
23:52<Woland>...ia64 dvd
23:52<Woland>i386 works fine
23:53<simonrvn>is it an itanium? i bet not
23:53<Woland>Pentium T2310
23:53<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
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23:53<simonrvn>you need amd64
23:53<Woland>intel site says that this cpu support emt64
23:54[~]Woland . o O (...fuck...)
23:54[~]Supaplex wonders away to fixup some ups ship packages. yay, no more junk on my front porch! :)
23:55<Woland>simonrvn: what flags in /proc/cpuinfo says that cpu supports amd64 or ia64?
23:55<simonrvn>it's a pentium, 'nough said
23:57<Woland>thanks, anyway
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23:58<Supaplex>!start a cpu war
23:58<dpkg>Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 6502
23:58[~]Woland is ubuntu user now beacause he has a full rep for ubuntu amd64
23:58<Supaplex>Woland: wonderful. have you read the topic today? :)
23:58<simonrvn>(or ever? ;)
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23:59<Woland>Supaplex: i was a debian user when entered channel )
23:59<simonrvn>that's nice
23:59<Supaplex>k. just making sure.
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