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---Logopened Tue Dec 18 00:00:03 2007
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00:00<Supaplex>simonrvn: old quote from "voicing school" or something?
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00:00<simonrvn>Supaplex: from who?
00:00<Woland>hm... will i get debian after ubuntu intallation and dist-upgrade from debian reps?
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00:01<chealer>Woland: no
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00:02<simonrvn>things don't just automagically go from debian to ubuntu just because you edit sources.list
00:02<simonrvn>(or vice versa)
00:03<Supaplex>simonrvn: nm, can't find the reference. some forwarded email I had from a few years ago. someone said they had been to voicing school, and would rather reply with "That's nice" than "Go fuck yourself". The other party replied to them "Oh, that's nice."
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00:04<simonrvn>yeh, in that case, it was a "go fuck yourself", but not as harsh, more like "whatever, man"
00:04<Woland>i thought that apt-get does full dist upgrade, each package that doesn't match with Packagez.gz
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00:04<Supaplex>distro orgies are a bad thing, Woland. :P
00:05<simonrvn>apt-get isn't magic, just decent tech
00:05<Woland>ok. I'll remember )
00:05<simonrvn>aptitude pushes it further ;)
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00:09<Supaplex>bleh, ups charges extra to schedule a pickup.
00:12<Woland>simonrvn: aptitude just a frontend to apt-get, isn't it?
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00:13<simonrvn>whomever started that crap should be shot on sight
00:13<the>Is there a way in which you can use a hotkey/shortcut to access the window selector
00:14<simonrvn>'window selector'?
00:15<simonrvn>oh, you mean swtich between windows? try ctrl- or alt-tab
00:16<the>as in the one in GNOME... Near the volume?
00:17<the>allows you to choose any active window... I figure a shortcut would provide quicker access, especially for people with laptops.
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00:20<Supaplex>I like control alt backspace, but it doesn't do that.
00:22<cjmrdc>i was just trying to do ctrl + alt + bkspc on this computer, which is windows xp
00:25<Supaplex>Device error between keyboard and chair, Abort, Retry, Fail?
00:27<Supaplex>let's see how this puppy fires up with a pci-e 1x gigabit ethernet, and a good ole reliable e100 card. no more forcedeth baby.
00:28<Supaplex>!pciid [11c1:ed00]
00:28<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 11c1:ed00 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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00:28<Supaplex>humm... maybe pciid [8086:1229] to...
00:29<alex>I tried to install flash player today by copying the .so file into iceweasel's plugin folders
00:29<alex>and failed
00:29<alex>any suggestions?
00:29<alex>i'm running 64 bit debian
00:29<alex>with 64 bit iceweasel
00:30<xsdg>alex: use nspluginwrapper
00:30<alex>time to google
00:30<xsdg>alex: apt-get install nspluginwrapper, then read docs
00:30<xsdg>unfortunately, I have to run, but it works for me. Good luck
00:30<Supaplex>flash is eeeEEEeeevil
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00:31<dpkg>flash is, like,
00:31<dmb>lets go gnash!
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00:31<dmb>i wonder if gnash will ever match flash
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00:31<Supaplex>fwih, it's making some good headway
00:32<dmb>it works barely with youtube
00:32<alex>isn't the whole point of installing flash to watch youtube?
00:32<dmb>did adobe release the specs for the swf/flash protocol
00:32<tarrybone>bah, you can do that without flash
00:33<tarrybone>you just need a powerful drill and a mirror
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00:35<alex>argh. what do I add to the source.list to get the nswahtever plugin
00:35<Supaplex>!+info nspluginwrapper
00:35<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
00:35<dpkg>Package 'nspluginwrapper' does not exist.
00:36<Supaplex>!+info nspluginwrapper etch
00:36<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
00:36<dpkg>Package 'nspluginwrapper' does not exist.
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00:36<Supaplex>xsdg: so... EAGAIN. :)
00:36<gsimmons>!tell alex -about nspluginwrapper
00:37<Supaplex>dpkg just said it's not in sid. humph
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00:38<alex>dip consultants?
00:38<alex>hahahaha what a funny name for a company
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00:54<dpkg>hmm... et131x is for the Ethernet controller [0200]: Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet Controller [11c1:ed00] (rev 02) and friends
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00:58<Supaplex><insert yawn here>
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01:03<chealer>Supaplex: what do you mean?
01:04<Supaplex>the et131x off sf FTBFS
01:04<Supaplex>even svn, as suggested from the forums.
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01:04<Supaplex>so I'm sticking with the trusty e100 card for now.
01:05<chealer>Supaplex: I don't understand what you're looking for.
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01:08<alex>why does every linux network application have some animal attached to it
01:08<chealer>alex: I don't think they do.
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01:26<alex>still trying to install flash but now i'm getting a is not a valid NPAPI plugin error..
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01:27<alex>while following the directions at
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01:36<simonrvn>chealer: FTBFS == fails to build from source
01:37<chealer>simonrvn: yeah. I don't understand what Supaplex was trying to do.
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01:37<simonrvn>build a kernel mod for his new nice (i think)
01:39<Supaplex>yup. that agere nic has beta-quality drivers ...
01:39<esaym>mplayer can play wmv videos fine and all my others player play them all garbled (kaffine, vlc), anyone have a clue?
01:40<chealer>that's what I thought, but how could I help.
01:41<chealer>esaym: garbled how?
01:41<esaym>very distorted
01:41<streuner>!multiple ask
01:41<dpkg>from memory, multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
01:43<chealer>esaym: what kind of clue are you looking for?
01:43<alex>does anyone have a solution to the "not a valid NPAPI plugin" error?
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01:43<alex>i've been trying to install flash for the past hour on my 64 bit..
01:43<esaym>I don't know, just wondering
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01:44<chealer>alex: did you ask #debian-amd64%
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01:45<alex>no one's there
01:45<alex>or #debian64
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01:48[~]Supaplex watches iceweasel go *poof*
01:48<alex>so there's basically no good way to watch flash videos on 64 bit debian?
01:48<alex>just wanna know so I can give up or not give up
01:49<Supaplex>well, if I was motivated enough, I'd try installing a 32bit vserver guest and ssh -fX there :)
01:51<dondelelcaro>alex: use something like youtbe-dl+xine|mplayer etc.
01:52<dondelelcaro>the .flv have the actual location of the movie encoded in them.
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01:55<Supaplex>don't forget the mplayer browser plugin
01:56<simonrvn>@pciid [1234:5678]
01:57<Supaplex>dpkg: test
01:57<dpkg>Test Failed.
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02:01<Supaplex>mozilla is tEh stupid. their readme.txt says go to for install info, and ... so I dig into support, I get release notes... some notes on extensions c/o upgrades... humm hello retarded developers *grumble*
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02:03<catbot>anybody have tried KDE4 on debian?
02:03<chealer>catbot: ask #debian-kde
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02:03<streuner>catbot: read /topic about
02:03<catbot>read /topic about
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02:04<chealer>Supaplex: you don't need to use Mozilla.
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02:06<Supaplex>i'm debugging another issue, so I'm using mozilla to compare.
02:07<Supaplex>~lart vmware-server 2 beta users guide
02:07[~]dpkg pushes the wall down onto vmware-server 2 beta users guide whilst whistling innocently
02:08<chealer>Supaplex: that's still using it :)
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02:09<Supaplex>NOTE   You might not be able to use the version of Firefox that comes with your 
02:10<Supaplex>Linux distribution. Some distributions package Firefox incorrectly, and the 
02:10<Supaplex>resulting package will not work with VI Web Access.
02:11<Supaplex>their words, not mine. :)
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02:13<chealer>Supaplex: if you find a bug, just report it. there are already plenty of Mozilla bugs in the BTS for interested people to look at.
02:14<Supaplex>*nod* well, it's not a debian bug.
02:15<alex>what's a "chroot"?
02:16<simonrvn>man chroot
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02:18<alex>sounds like a unit from warhammer RTS
02:19<simonrvn>it's a *nix command and syscall
02:20<alex>yea.. i'm resorting to this mystical "chroot" because i can't run flash 32 bit in 64 bit debian
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02:21<dpkg>debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
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02:23<laetitia>jai un tit probleme avec kopete je voudrai le mettre en français mai jarrive pas
02:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
02:24<laetitia>oki merci beaucoup
02:24<simonrvn>de rien
02:26<simonrvn>Supaplex: would you happen to remember *how* you entered the pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* into dpkg?
02:26<simonrvn>trying to add it to rb, and the bot keeps bitching about it not being there ("i don't know, what is it?" stuff)
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02:44<istoc>Hey, what's a good, light image-viewer for Linux?
02:44<simonrvn>display -> imagemagick package
02:45<alex>argh how retarded.
02:46<alex>the DebianAMD64Faq says that the nspluginwrapper only works with debian unstable versions
02:46<alex>for flash.
02:46<alex>i guess i really have to use the magical chroot
02:46<istoc>simonrvn, thanks, Ill check it out
02:47<alex>in a nutshell, what's chroot? is it just another virtual machine?
02:48<simonrvn>no, a location on a system where you CHangeROOT to, from a real (or another) chroot. basically, you're telling the os you want to switch from / to /mnt/target (for example) and make the latter the new /
02:50<simonrvn>so, all you'd have to do is install an i386 chroot somewhere on your amd64 install, then do chroot /where/itsinstalled /bin/bash; you'd end up being root, so you'd su - youruser, then startx
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02:51<simonrvn>(hence me triggering the debootsrap factoid earlier)
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02:53<simonrvn>sounds complicated, but it isn't really
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03:16<istoc>simonrvn, I tried out imagemagick, do you know an image viewer that can increment through a folder in order so I dont have to open each image individually?
03:16<simonrvn>display *.png
03:16<istoc>Wouldnt that open each in an individual window?
03:16<simonrvn>then just click the pic, it'll pop up a sidebar, then you can do next etc.
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03:17<istoc>Ok, thanks again
03:18<istoc>simonrvn, quick question: how do I move to the next file??
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03:19<simonrvn>via that sidebar -> File section
03:19<istoc>Ah, thanks.
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03:20<simonrvn>i haven't bothered to check if there's some key combo you can use for that
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03:25<alaya>what is the difference between /mnt and /media now? should manual stuff go under /mnt and /media left for automounted stuff?
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03:30<yanniksuess>i have a problem with debian, what distributions i have to isntall to run a complet webspace testserver ?
03:31<yanniksuess>i installed apache2, apache, php5, mysql, phpmyadmin
03:32<alaya>you want apache + php support?
03:32<alaya>install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5
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03:33<sep>yanniksuess, aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql phpmyadmin
03:33<sep>yanniksuess, you may want to install a mysql server too. unless you connect to a separate mysql server that is.
03:33<alaya>for apache2 if it gives choice of model then apache2-mpm-prefork
03:34<alaya>um phpmyadmin is not necessary. what kind of bullcrap advice is that?
03:34<alaya>nor is php5-mysql if he did not ask for it
03:34<sep>yanniksuess, i read you wrong, i thout you said you _wanted_ those things not that you had them installed.
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03:37<alaya>guess we are back to the ubuntu snotnose mode of giving advice in here where everyone jumps the gun to offer bad advice over each other
03:42<istoc>What does the rest of the Linux world think of Ubuntu?
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03:44<cahoot>don't even try to start that
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03:44<cahoot>at least not here
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03:45<Kebianizao>what's the different between splashy, bootsplash and usplash?
03:45<istoc>cahoot, I honestly don't know, I've only used debian for a few weeks :)
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03:46<Kebianizao>I mean are they exclusive? how do they interact?
03:46<cahoot>istoc: if you think about it, what would define ' the rest of the Linux world '?
03:47<istoc>every other distro
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03:48<istoc>I guess people who had used it would count too
03:52<sep>istoc, ubuntu is nice for a linux virgin, where you just want to dip your feet a little. it also do a great job of awakening the general public to the concept that there may be more OS's then windows. but once your' feet are wet, you should switch to debian before going swimming , (imho, using RH/CentOS for 4 years, debian for the last 5 years and have installed ubuntu once or twice to see how it looks)
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03:55<istoc>Why does their community seem so much bigger? Is it mostly hype or are there a lot of people switching over to Linux?
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03:56<subha>hi all
03:58<subha>i have installed pam-usb package.But when i am tring to configure it by invoking pamusb-conf it is giving the following error;ImportError: No module named dbus;wht is that?how to solve that?
03:58<kmap>istoc: High publicity, high money
03:58<yanniksuess>so whould should i do, everything works. but if i open a file like localhost/ then he wants to download that file!
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04:02<yanniksuess>can someone answer 2 my problem ?
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04:03<keith>Debian4.amd64.libdvdcss2. I installed libdvdcss2 which means I can open some DVD movies but not all. The error message "Are you trying to ........without libdvdcss". Any help?
04:04<yanniksuess>i have installed mysql4.1, php5, apache 1 & 2 and know i want to open from my local windows computer to test the system.. whe n itry to open a php.ini he wants to download it.. so what should i change ? install or do ? Thank you for any answers!
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04:07<sep>yanniksuess, decide if you want to use apache1 or apache2, remove the one you dont want, and reinstall the other. then make sure you install the correct php package libapache2-mod-php5 if you want php5 on apache2 then restart apache
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04:08<Maulkin>yanniksuess: and php.ini isn't going to be 'run', it's a configurgation file
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04:09<yanniksuess>Maulkin i ment a info.php
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04:10<yanniksuess>shit now it works ^^ thanks :-P
04:10<yanniksuess>sorry for my stupid question
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04:15<yanniksuess>how can i install a mysql4.0 and a mysql5.0 db ?
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04:17<sep>yanniksuess, personaly i would install those on separate machines/virtual instances.
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04:23<sep>yanniksuess, it's difficult to run 2 versions of the same software on the same machine, since they both want to use the same area to store theird files, and use the same tcp/ip port. the very easiest is to use 2 separate machines.
04:24<sep>!tell yanniksuess about msg
04:25<yanniksuess>ok i want to isntall mysql4.1 and mysql5.0 sep told me to use 2 virtuelle machines.. how is that working? what software should i use for that?
04:25<sep>yanniksuess, or 2 real machines :)
04:25<yanniksuess>i dont have the money for that :)
04:26<yanniksuess>but there is space in my beautiful 19" rack :)
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04:26<LJ>hi hab mal ne frage gibt es einen such befehl unter der shell ? z.B. suche php.conf
04:26<yanniksuess>nvm, so what should id do then?
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04:27<LJ>sorry wrong channel
04:28<sep>yanniksuess, there are quite many virtualization techniqes in debian. vserver, xen, qemu+kvm, qemu+kqemu, virtualbox + you can use the propritary things like vmware. i think vserver is perhaps the easiest for your need. that give the least overhead.
04:28<yanniksuess>so it runs a second maschine ?
04:28<sep>but i am not a virtualization expert you might want to check second opinions here.
04:29<yanniksuess>i heard about xen before, maybe i should try that out
04:29<sep>!tell yanniksuess about vserver
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04:30<sep>!tell yanniksuess about xen
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04:30<twb>Is there a dedicated channel for debian/xorg integration?
04:30<yanniksuess>omg i just need 2 dbs :P is that always so complicated ? :)
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04:33<sep>yanniksuess, you can run hundreds of databases on each of the mysql versions. what you want to to is run 2 separate instances of the same thing at the same time
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04:34<yanniksuess>ok thank you
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04:34<sep>yanniksuess, if you dont know you need both mysql 4 adn 5 i'd just install 5
04:35<gsimmons>twb: Try #debian-x.
04:35<yanniksuess>well my finance software needs mysql4 and my webscritps 5
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04:36<twb>gsimmons: thanks
04:37<yanniksuess>well maybe i should install windows server.. its easyier right ? ^^
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04:37<twb>(As it turned out I can hassle Ubuntu people about this specific issue, it being there flavour of d-i that's misbehaving. And it was my fault anyway for seeding a variable backwards.)
04:37<twb>yanniksuess: you could use a chroot or vm
04:38<twb>yanniksuess: or fix the financial software :P
04:38<twb>Not that I'd trust anything that uses MySQL
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04:38<klando>I would not care of q product, especialy for finance, based on mysql *4*
04:38<klando>yanniksuess, check your soft
04:39<yanniksuess>well its ok.. nobody can hack it here localy.. my customers and empolys are happy to open theyr outlook
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04:39<twb>*locally, their
04:39<yanniksuess>happy now?
04:40<twb>Corrections are for pedagogy. If you don't want to learn from your mistakes, simply ask me to refrain from noting them.
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04:40<yanniksuess>ok thank you
04:41<sep>yanniksuess, nobody is talking about hacking anything tho.
04:41<twb>You're welcome. English is a horrible language.
04:41<yanniksuess>so what we are talking about
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04:43<yanniksuess>i have another question.. i got 2x 36 gb hard disks.. but i want more space.. i dont need it fast and i dont care about security on this disk.. can i put external hdds on it? with like 2x 400 gb and mirror them to each other?
04:45<twb>Debian doesn't care how big the hard disks are.
04:45<sep>yanniksuess, you _can_ do that if you want to. but i'd not recomend it
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04:45<yanniksuess>why sep?
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04:45<sep>quality, stability, reliability, performance, all of the above
04:45<twb>External drives are a little more expensive, more likely to be dropped, a little slower, and require extra bulky housing and power delivery
04:46<sep>dont fit nicely in the rack :)
04:46<sep>if there is no space in your machine i'd get a external sata enclosure with SAS interface, and a nice SAS raid controller. :)
04:47<twb>They are of course handy for moving large amounts of data between hosts that are offline for security reasons, or can't be connected with a fast line for cost reasons (e.g. the machine is in a mining colony)
04:47<twb>Is SAS really so useful for external drives? I'm used to USB2.0.
04:48<twb>I'm also more inclined to trust md than most hardware raid, simply for ease of use and portability.
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04:49<twb>(And cost, of course :-)
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04:50<yanniksuess>i thought internal hard disc are extrem expensive?
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04:51<twb>yanniksuess: an external hard disk is an internal hard disk in a cheap plastic case
04:51<twb>Compared to ten years ago, internal hard disks are fanstastically cheap
04:51<sep>yanniksuess, and if you _must_ use a external drive, atlest try to use Esata or firewire instead of usb.
04:52<twb>You're looking at about fifty cents per gigabyte
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04:52<yanniksuess>problem i have a ibm server ^^ does every hardisc will fit in it ?
04:53<yanniksuess>i thought normal pc harddiscs are MUCH cheaper then server hard discs
04:53<twb>That would be something to ask IBM at $200/hour consulting rates
04:53<twb>SME servers are just high-end workstations
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04:53<twb>Some people still use SCSI, which is exorbitantly expensive
04:53<yanniksuess>what sme ?
04:53<twb>SATA disks are cheap
04:54<twb>SME = Small to Medium Enterprise
04:54<yanniksuess>ok thank you very much for all those informations
04:54<twb>A twenty-person business is an SME
04:55<yanniksuess>my english was better this time aight ^^ have a nice day, maybe we will talk sooner as u want to
04:55<twb>"aight" is not a word.
04:55<twb>At least, in English.
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04:57<Beren>close enough
04:57<seanius>that's cause English aren't down wit da gangsta dialect
04:58<twb>That's because the dialect is spoken by relatively few professors of linguistics
04:58<yanniksuess>i dont use it
04:58<subha>is there any way to authenticate users whenever they inserts usbs in there machines?that authentication is for mounting external hardwares in the machine
04:58<Beren>somewhat surprisingly enough, of the people you meet online native english speakers are usually the ones hardest to understand :p
04:59<yanniksuess>thank you beren
04:59<twb>subha: authenticate what?
04:59<cahoot>professors aren't the dominant factors in language 'evolution'
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04:59<twb>Beren: it depends what cliques one frequents.
04:59<subha>twb:authenticate the user who is inserting the usb in the machine
05:00<Beren>generally speaking, taking ubuntu forums as an example
05:00<twb>cahoot: but they are the ones that can promote a patois to an officially "dialect"
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05:00<twb>subha: I do not understand.
05:00<twb>subha: you wish a user's identity to be linked to a USB key, so they insert a key to log in instead of typing a password?
05:01<cahoot>twb: they effectively only can describe the result of the forces that effectively drive the change of language - in the end only the users dictate what is right usage
05:01<subha>twb:not actually.i think that is possible through pam-usb module..right?
05:01<twb>Beren: that's because people who use Ubuntu and/or web "forums" are, in general, not aware of proper etiquette.
05:02<Beren>lol twb
05:02<twb>subha: I don't understand what you're trying to achieve.
05:02<Beren>same could be said about people frequenting irc channels ;)
05:02<twb>cahoot: for English, this is indisputably the case.
05:03<twb>cahoot: but "dialect" is an abstract notion that relates to actual communication only indirectly.
05:03<subha>twb:but i want something that when one user will insert any external plug/play drive os should force him to give his login-password first
05:03<cahoot>twb: it's the nature of any language (as I understand it)
05:03<twb>Beren: again, it depends on the channel.
05:03<subha>then it should go for mounting
05:04<twb>cahoot: the French and Japanese languages, at least, are subject to (attempted) normativism.
05:04<twb>subha: so you want to encrypt the data on a USB key?
05:04<subha>what we do actually using sudo ,it is somewhat different should lock the screen whenever one is inserting any external drive.
05:05<twb>I don't understand why this is useful
05:05<twb>Surely a user would simply refrain from inserting such a key.
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05:06<subha>twb:actually,for some organization where they needs more security they may need it
05:06<twb>I sounds to me like you want to encrypt data on a USB key.
05:07<twb>*It sounds to me like you want to encrypt data on a USB key.
05:07<subha>twb:what is this actually?
05:08<twb>subha: to what do you refer?
05:09<subha>will it restrict the users and ask for password whenever they insert usb in the machine
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05:10<subha>is it actually what pam_usb does?
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05:10<twb>Encrypted data is like a locked box. How a user unlocks it is secondary.
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05:11<subha>that means in this case usb will be locked.right?
05:11<twb>Let us leave that issue aside for a moment.
05:11<twb>Do you understand the term "encryption"?
05:12<subha>but i need exactly the opposite it possible?
05:12<twb>I don't know, since I don't understand what you are trying to achieve.
05:13<subha>twb:my aim is that nobody should attach any external device/usb in my system when physically i will absent from my system
05:14<twb>Why do you want this?
05:14<subha>my system can mount usbs automatically so anybody can come and copy files fronm the system
05:15<twb>They cannot do anything unless they have a login password or you leave a terminal unlocked.
05:15<cahoot>and if they already have psysical access ...
05:15<twb>Indeed, if they have physical access they could always remove the workstation entirely.
05:16<subha>twb:not exactly.
05:17<subha>if you use some software which lock your system and to unlock you have to give your login/passwd
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05:18<Belisarivs>Hi all.
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05:19<Belisarivs>May I ask for some help with Sid?
05:19<kmap>Belisarivs: Go right ahead
05:19<subha>twb:is it making any sense?
05:19[~]lupine_85 calls the nearest institution to help Belisarivs
05:20<twb>subha: no.
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05:20<Belisarivs>After some update GDM ceased to display user in list.
05:20<Belisarivs>So I tried other theme.
05:20<Belisarivs>Same result.
05:20<subha>i am tring to add some extra security for the normal users
05:20<Belisarivs>Then I tried KDM.
05:20<Belisarivs>It also didn't display users in list.
05:21<subha>who doesn't know more about linux/commands .
05:21<kmap>Belisarivs: How about closing [kg]dm, and logging into a VT and doing startx?
05:21<Belisarivs>I disabled themes in /ets/default/kdm.d
05:22<Belisarivs>Well, but this would just log me in.
05:22<subha>twb:what did you mean by physical access?
05:22<yanniksuess>i want to install another sql version.. i have currently 5.0 installed.. now i want 4.1.. how to install that and what files i have to edit
05:22<lupine_85>well, it's a kdm/gdm configuration option
05:22<lupine_85>I forget which one, though
05:22<Belisarivs>I can do same by typing login and password in kdm/gdm
05:22<twb>subha: if you can touch a machine, you have physical access to it
05:23<twb>subha: if the machine is locked in Kensington a basement and you live in Croatia, you do not have physical access
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05:23<twb>*in a Kensington basement
05:23<twb>yanniksuess: downgrading is not supported
05:23<lupine_85>subha: unload the USB modules. You need root access to modprobe them
05:23<lupine_85>you can do the rest with a sudo script/wrapper
05:24<Belisarivs>I wan't just enable those users to be available from list to select by simple clicking (I'm ot the only one using desktop and can learm my parents such things like logging in in terminal and running startx)
05:24<twb>yanniksuess: there is, but I know from experience that trying to downgrade MySQL is a fucking nightmare
05:24<subha>lupine_85:that's what.suppose when i am locking my gnome using xlock or something then nobody can use that machine
05:24<yanniksuess>i dont want to downgrade! i want an additional db with 4.1
05:24<twb>lupine_85: I'd rather make subha see that what he is asking for is probably not what he wants.
05:25<twb>For example, is he blocking ALL outbound ports?
05:25<sep>yanniksuess, you can purge mysql5 packages and install mysql4 packages. but the databases will be broken. i dont think you can downgrade them you you must probably restore them from somewhere.
05:25<subha>unless giving passwords
05:25<twb>Otherwise I could just scp company-data.txt
05:25<lupine_85>twb: I agree, it's a pretty useless action. But if it makes him/her feel better.... *shrug*
05:25<Belisarivs>I have set GDM to load users from /etc/passwd (default setting). But selecting users manually to be displayed in GDM didn't help anyway.
05:25<twb>lupine_85: I don't like to encourage vacuous feelings of security
05:26<lupine_85>heh :)
05:26<twb>lupine_85: I concede this is just an opinion :-)
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05:27<subha>twb,lupine_85:what you are telling is true when you are mounting subs through shells,but whatif mountall is installed in your system?
05:27<lupine_85>suck it & see
05:28<lupine_85>but note twb's comments about all the other ways you can be pwnt
05:28<subha>twb,lupine_85:which could mount all the usbs automatically
05:28<lupine_85>I stronly doubt it's setuid root
05:28<twb>subha: even if you fill all USB ports with epoxy resin, there are plenty of other ways to remove data
05:29<twb>lupine_85: well actually... pmount *is* setuid
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05:29<twb>KDE uses it, GNOME used to but now uses somethign else
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05:31<subha>twb:i don't want to go for that much of complexity,blocking all the usb ports..
05:32<subha>rather simplist solution is lock the gnome terminal when usb is inserted in your machine so that nobody can access
05:32<twb>I'm going to be brief.
05:33<twb>subha: what you want is pointless, and you have no understanding of the issues involved.
05:33<subha>twb:you know pam-usb module ,which is used for authentication?
05:34<twb>subha: I suggest you find someone who can perform risk analysis, and pay them to lock your systems down in a way that will actually be useful.
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05:35<twb>This is something that almost certainly requires physical presence and an intimate understanding of your business. It's not something that can be done quickly over IRC.
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05:37<subha>twb:in windows it is possible ,i am interested in debian tht's why im asking
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05:37<keith>Debian4.0.amd64.libdvdcss2. I installed libdvdcss2 so now I can open some DVD movies but not all. The error message "Are you trying .......without libdvdcss." Any help ?
05:37<twb>Windows is a very different operating system with a very different risk analysis.
05:39<subha>twb:i dont know why you are not agree that it's useful..
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05:40<subha>twb:i think it is possible,
05:41<subha>twb:do you gnome?
05:41<dli>keith, as I said, the easiest is mplayer, follow a vlc howto also,
05:41<subha>*do you use gnome?
05:41<dli>!tell keith about ask
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05:44<keith>dli: I installed mplayer but it didn't make any difference.
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05:44<sep>subha, there is no question about the possibility, he just want to to understand that it provides no security whatsoever. and that someone with physical access will most likely try to transfer the data across the net, before bothering with usb. heck he might even just print it ;D at best it's cute. but that's all.
05:45<dli>keith, mplayer output contains error messages then
05:45<dli>keith, also, make sure you follow a mplayer howto
05:46<twb>sep: thank you.
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05:51<subha>sep:it's exactly true.if we drop this issue that it's not an important one.can you tell me any idea how to do that one?
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05:53<subha>sep:for me it's important may be for twb it's not .i thing through pam-authentication it's may be possible.But i dont know how.
05:53<sep>subha, nt without investigation it. and I dont have the motivation to investigate a pointless issue.
05:54<subha>sep:that's ok...
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05:55<yanniksuess>how to create partitions?
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05:55<subha>ok ...and thanks for discussing on a pointless issue.:d
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05:56<sep>yanniksuess, using your favorite partition tool, cfdisk, fdisk, gparted, sfdisk (i like cfdisk)
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06:31<A_Autar>Hello. What do I do with defunct processes. I have a server with a large uptime, and a whole list of defunct processes. What way is there to destroy the deunct processes. Or shouldn't I be worried?
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06:32<SpeedyG>you coult try to find the process' parent proces, and kill that, that'll remove the defunct proces
06:33<sep>A_Autar, if the parent process id is 1, you should not just kill it :)
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06:36<weasel>if you have zombies off init something is probably wrong
06:37<SpeedyG>then you should probably kill the box and find out whats wrong ;)
06:37<twb>weasel: rootkit, yow!
06:38<twb>OTOH, if you have init -> foo -> bar, and foo dies, then barwill be threaded as a zombie child of init
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06:42<sep>so if foo i buggy you can easily have zombies of 1
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06:42<sep>twb, correct
06:42<sep>and if you then kill 1 youll get rid of the zombies (and all other processes) :)
06:43<twb>I don't think you can kill process 1
06:43<twb>Lemme try
06:43<twb>Yeah, it ignores -9
06:44<twb>And -15
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06:46<twb>Er, obviously I'm only talking about stock init
06:46<twb>upstart or whatever might be different
06:46<twb>Speaking of which, what is the status of metainit?
06:46<twb>upstart is so damn useless until people clean up their init.d mess
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06:48<simonrvn>i used it for about 1.5 month up until yesterday
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06:52<padski>simonrvn: what happenned yesterday ?
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06:53<simonrvn>weirdness with udev, a usb 2 card i installed
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06:57<cortilap>how can i make fontconfig consider bitmap fonts when matching font names?
06:58<cortilap>i have enabled them in the fontconfig-config package's debconf script
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06:59<Kebianizao>is it possible to rebuild a linux kernel image, using make-kpkg specifying another revision and without having to clean the build tree, i.e.: reusing objects that doesn't need to be updated?
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07:06<yanniksuess>is there a tool for partitions on debian? maybe with a interface? thank you
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07:07<twb>yanniksuess: there are many tools, and they all have interfaces.
07:07<cortilap>Kebianizao, there is probaby an otion you can specify to not clean
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07:08<cortilap>yanniksuess, gparted, parted, cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk ...
07:08<yanniksuess>which one is most easyiest to use ?
07:09<Kebianizao>cortilap: yes, but in that case make-kpkp complains about version mismatch
07:09<twb>yanniksuess: µ
07:09<cortilap>yanniksuess, i sorted them in order of easiest to hardest
07:10<cortilap>well, perhaps cfdisk could come before gparted
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07:11<twb>Sorry, I meant 無
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07:14<yanniksuess>on install i created all on one disk.. but i have 2x 36 gb disks.. can i split them again exapt installing everthing new?
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07:16<twb>It is not clear what you want.
07:16<yanniksuess>if i want to start fdisk this error comes: Opened disk read-only - you have no permission to write
07:17<yanniksuess>it is root user
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07:23<SpeedyG>you mean you created a lvm partition ?
07:24<yanniksuess>well with gparted it works
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07:29<Kebianizao>thanks, bye
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07:39<yanniksuess>i cant split my hdd ! it says i have only read only? what i did wrong? i tryed 3 partition tools already!
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07:41<dwad>how do I install the intel grapic driver, I've installed the package xserver-xorg-video-intel with apt but it doesen't change xorg.conf
07:42<gsimmons>!tell dwad -about drxx
07:44<kmap>Oops, sorry
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07:46<chealer>dwad: then it's already installed.
07:46<dwad>chealer: it didn't change xorg
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07:46<dwad>xorg.conf said it was using the vesa driver
07:46<dwad>I need to go, thanks alot gsimmons, see you guys later
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07:47<prabhu_zonked>whattup gsimmons
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07:48<prabhu_zonked>whatup matysek
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07:50<matysek>prabhu_zonked: ho ho ho, merry xmas
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08:02<kmap>Debianers, a friend wants to e-mail commands to his computer (GPG signed), and make a shell execute them if they pass the gpg verify test
08:02<kmap>He currently uses procmail to do it, but is there a software to do this already?
08:02<kmap>I mean, for this purpose?
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08:05<gsimmons>kmap: 'grunt' sounds like a close match for your friend's requirement.
08:05<kmap>gsimmons: Ah, thanks
08:06[~]kmap checks out frunt
08:06<kmap>Uh, grunt
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08:49<Maulkin>Really... asking an oper where the hacker channel is... I dunno
08:50<JasonS>they are smrt Maulkin
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08:56<yanniksuess>hello, how can i create an partition.. if i create it with any partition software it says i have no rights vor the hdd.. but i am logged on as a root user
08:56<stew>yanniksuess: what are the permissions on the device file?
08:56<yanniksuess>what u mean? on the disc?
08:57<stew>yanniksuess: which driver are you trying to partition?
08:57<stew>err, 'drive' not 'driver'
08:57<stew>yanniksuess: /dev/hda ? /dev/sdb? what?
08:57<yanniksuess>i have 2x 36 gb
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08:58<yanniksuess>the 2nd ist partionated yet... if i want to it says no rights
08:58<stew>yanniksuess: what exact command are you using to try to partition?
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08:58<yanniksuess>and the first i cant move it
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09:02<bremner>yanniksuess: I have not followed this long saga, but in general you cannot be booted from (or even have mounted) the partition you want to split
09:02<stew>yanniksuess: what is the device name that is giving you problems?
09:02<bebin>while booting in to debian it displays a message boot failed and askes to press enter key after entering it booting normaly what could be the cause
09:03<bremner>!tell yanniksuess about grml
09:04<yanniksuess>its /dev/sda1
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09:06<Knight_Lord>Can anyone point out resources to configure IPoIB in debian?
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09:10<klando>bebin, you must have read the message on the screen, try 'dmesg'
09:10<yanniksuess>so i should work with the boot cd to setup the rest? u sure?
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09:12<stew>yanniksuess: /dev/sda1 is the thing you are trying to partition? or you are trying to create a /dev/sda1 partition on /dev/sda?
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09:27<WildOS>Is OPT short for the old posix thread library? Or was that OLT? Old Linux Threads?
09:27<WildOS>err.. or neither?
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09:29<nua>Since a few days, xorg is really eating a lot of CPU on my sid system. is this a known problem?
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09:30<nua>When using KDE the system is *really* slow. When using gnome it hangs after switching between virtual screens a few times (with the xorg process using up all cpu)
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09:30<Freak_>Dpes anyone know an app like tag&rename, but for linux?
09:33<gsimmons>Freak_: You might be interested in 'easytag'.
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09:34<Freak_>gsimmons: is that app able to use a mask to take tags from filenames?
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09:34<lubas>oh my gad
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09:35<gsimmons>Freak_: I don't know. Try it and see.
09:35<Freak_>haha, ok
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09:37<Freak_>gsimmons: hmn, according to the description in synaptic it is
09:38<Freak_>thanks for the tip
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09:40<Freak_>and it works almost exactly like tag&rename =D
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09:40<marco_>anyone knowing about gdb?
09:41<kmap>!tell marco_ about ask
09:41<kmap>marco_: Just ask! :-)
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09:45<marco_>I have a linux application working on a target board with a small linux 2.4 kernel, I then have a pc running with WinXp and Cygwin or Ubuntu (as a virtual machine, I'm writing from it now), I'd like to remotely debug my application from the host pc
09:45<haier>hi all
09:45<haier>i have truble using the silky client
09:45<haier>the client ask me for a passphrase that i don't know !!
09:45<haier>can you help me please ?
09:46<marco_>therefore I crosscompiled "gdbserver" and I put it into my board, i started it and connected it to my host pc running gdb (directly from terminal or with ddd, it's the same)
09:47<marco_>the problem is that I'm not able to have it properly working, I mean, in this setup gdb says it "can't access memory..." (message from ddd machine code section)
09:48<marco_>then it doesn't recognize the 4 threads in my program
09:48<marco_>it doesn't stop at breakpoints
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09:48<marco_>if i place breakpoints in particular places it crashes with SIGSEGV
09:48<haier>where can i find help for silky ??
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09:50<marco_>with "info share" I see that it has no references to libraries as i t should
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10:07<juandr>I need help with KNOPPIX on a HDD.
10:07<stew>juandr: ask #knoppix on
10:07<noflash>juandr, #knoppix
10:07<JasonS>juandr: #knoppic
10:07<stew>!lose JasonS
10:07<dpkg>JasonS: You Lose.
10:07<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
10:08<Ganneff>i win, that text was the longest!
10:08<JasonS>heh showoff
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10:09<Christmas>!based on debian
10:09<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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10:31<janux-xmind>hi guys!
10:31<janux-xmind>what is the best rar archive manager for my debian etch?
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10:32<Christmas>i use ark or cli
10:33<janux-xmind>ok thanks
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10:40<yfk>why is #ubuntu so empty?
10:41<cahoot>wrong network?
10:41<Ganneff>wrong network, goto freenode
10:41<JasonS>no one runs it? ;)
10:41<Christmas>strange, but i can't seem to find the place to set the quit message in konversation irc client, anyone?
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10:42<cahoot>thta's a bonus
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10:43<yfk>anyways, I was here earlier asking about how to configure X to use my installed display driver and a certain good man reccomended to use dpkg reconfigure base, and I thank him for that... but is there something shorted which doesen't force you to configure all those other things?
10:43<bremner>Christmas: edit identity/advanced (start from server list)
10:44<cahoot>yfk: the next time your earlier choices will be default
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10:45<yfk>is the ubuntu kernel different than that of debian?
10:45<cahoot>yfk: with time xorg will 'autoconfig' itself to a greater extent
10:45<yfk>cahoot, I don't think it would have ever configure itself out of vesa driver usage
10:45<Christmas>bremner: i have only part reason and kick reason
10:45<Christmas>konversation 1.0.1 from lenny's kde
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10:46[~]bremner is not as smart as he thinks
10:46<localhost>what command for install lazarus + free pascal at debian etch?
10:47<bremner>Christmas: sorry, thought part reason was it
10:47<Christmas>ok, ty anyway
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10:49<localhost>bremner, you can help me?
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10:50<edthefox>localhost: aptitude ??
10:52<localhost>edthefox, yes but what name? apt-get or aptitude install lazarus?
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10:53<bremner>localhost: what does "apt-cache search lazarus" say
10:53<edthefox>localhost: dunno i will look =D
10:55<edthefox>localhost: tons of packages here ->
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10:59<edthefox>localhost: you may also check here for installation help ->
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11:00<localhost>edthefox, thks man
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11:00<bremner>localhost,edthefox: "apt-get install lazarus" does not work?
11:01<edthefox>localhost: np
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11:02<localhost>bremner, not work
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11:03<bremner>localhost: hmm. In current testing/unstable it claims it would work, but it also wants 300M of disk space. So I am not that keen to experiment
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11:04<localhost>bremner, hm.. ok man thks for you help :D
11:04<localhost>my english so so
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11:32<jack____>Hi, my installation locks up at select and install software. As soon as it's finished with retrieving files (91 of 91) it stops. Any command that could fix this?
11:33<jack____>I can install with x, but I don't want that
11:35<witte>jack____: what errors do you get in the console (ctrl-alt-f2)
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11:38<jack____>let me check
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11:44<^chewie>anyone have problems with the nessus GUI client hanging after a successfull login?
11:44<Supaplex>simonrvn: yea, 1m
11:44<Supaplex>!+listkeys cmd: pciid
11:44<dpkg>Factoid search of 'cmd: pciid' by key (9 of 15): cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* ;; cmd: pciid .*?[([0-9a-f:]+)\].* #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*(....:....)[]]s #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid (.*?)[[](h+:\h+)[[].* #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?(....:....)[]][^:] #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?(....:....)[]]s #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid ([0-9]*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?[[](.*?:....)[]].* #DEL#.
11:44<^chewie>I've gotten nessus to work ONCE for me, since then, it simply hangs
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11:44<Supaplex>dpkg: literal cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].*
11:44<dpkg>"cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].*" is "($1): egrep -i --color `echo $1 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias"
11:45<jack____>witte don't see any errors
11:45<jack____>any file I can look at?
11:45<Supaplex>^chewie: see, if anyone has reported an issue with it, you should find it there
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11:47<Supaplex>simonrvn: any idea how to have dpkg totally forget all those deleted factoids? there was a lot of trial and error :)
11:47<melan>is there a tool to poweroff unused harddisks?
11:47<Supaplex>melan: hdparm
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11:47<^chewie>Supaplex: yeah, just looking at the off chance that someone here knew something about it ;-)
11:47<witte>jack____: can you try a simple apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade in that console
11:47<jack____>ok I'll try
11:47<witte>jack____: the file to look at could be /var/log/dpkg
11:47<witte>jack____: that is dpkg.log
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11:48<witte>jack____: and it all depends on how far you are in your installation: it should not stop there :-)
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11:48<flawd>I installed an email client that had a pine-like interface some time ago but I have forgotten it's name. Anyone know what program it could have been?
11:49<flawd>it was free software IIRC
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11:49<cahoot>pine like = ncurses?
11:49<flawd>cahoot: pretty much a clone of pine actually
11:49<berto>flawd: mutt ?
11:49<witte>flawd: mutt
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11:49<jack____>apt-get: not found
11:49<flawd>well if so it was mutt with some interface tweaks to make it look and act like pine
11:50<berto>act like pine yes
11:50<berto>look like pine... more difficult
11:50<azeem>flawd: maybe it was pine?
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11:51<witte>jack____: I can't really help you any further, probably you should ask these things on #debian-boot
11:51<Supaplex>I vagely recall something like flawd mentions about mutt with a pine look and feel. It's been so long since I bothered though :)
11:51<flawd>azeem: I guess that's possible but as I remembered it I found some interface to a program or a program that was a clone of Pine but free software
11:52<jack____>last entry in the log "status not-installed popularity-contest (none)"
11:52<azeem>flawd: there's a clone of pine's editor
11:52<jack____>thanks anyway
11:52<kmap>What's alpine?
11:52<flawd>yeah nano
11:52<flawd>that's it I think
11:52[~]flawd checks it out
11:52<azeem>flawd: maybe elm looks very similar as well? dunno
11:52[~]kmap smiles! :-)
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11:53<flawd>I think it was alpine
11:53<flawd>the name sounds familiar
11:54<kmap>flawd: It recently entered Debian
11:54<kmap>(OK, Jan 1, 2007 is recent)
11:54<flawd>apache license... is that sortof free software?
11:55<kmap>flawd: DFSG compliant. Free enough for Debian main.
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12:06<Puck_>Hi, folks what happened to debian-users mail list???
12:06<Supaplex>we took a holiday ;)
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12:07<Puck_>I got now mail today!!!
12:07<Supaplex>jk, but nothing as far as I know ...
12:07<Gathond>they stopped mailing out paychecks:)
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12:08<Puck_>from ~100 > 0. something broke???
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12:15<dude>anyone using compizfusion. Lenny
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12:16<simonrvn>Supaplex: they eventually get cleaned up
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12:16<Supaplex>simonrvn: cool beans.
12:17<simonrvn>Supaplex: not sure how, probably manually
12:17<localhost>where get lazarus for install?
12:18<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: oh wiseass^H^H^H one ;) , how does dpkg magically forget those annoying #DEL# entries?
12:18<cahoot>aptitude install lazarus doesn't do it?
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12:20<simonrvn>Supaplex: hehe
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12:28<kot>hi to all. whats the latest stable version for debbian etch ?
12:28<Supaplex>kot: topic
12:28<kot>but my linux doesnt upgrade to that
12:28<Supaplex>aka see topic. 4.0r1
12:28<Supaplex>we could help, but we'll need details.
12:29<Supaplex>!tell kot -about don't work
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12:29<kot>after apt-get update and upgrade it doesnt sitll upgrade to the latest
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12:31<Supaplex>kot: show us, you're upgrading from sarge? did you /msg dpkg sarge->etch ?
12:31<kot>i was asking about the kernel
12:32<kot>is this the latest stable ? Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 1 22:58:58 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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12:32<kot>thanx god
12:32<Frolic>is it possible to resume a system with a crypto swap (dm-crypt)?
12:32<Supaplex>I'm only his (God) errand boy. I'm flattered, but I cannot take his credit. :)
12:33<berto>Frolic: yes if you unmount it first
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12:34<ltito>iai negaum
12:34<Frolic>berto, umount what first, the swap partition?
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12:34<anovaes>quem tá ai?
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12:34<anovaes>who are you???
12:34<Frolic>!br anovaes
12:34<anovaes>hi all pepople
12:35<berto>Frolic: yes
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12:35<anovaes>e ai galerinha, como tá as paradas ai na categoria
12:35<Frolic>berto, how can I do this under the d-i process? did you have a link to documentation?
12:35<berto>under the d-i? no idea
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12:36<Supaplex>anovaes: watch dpkg
12:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:38<Frolic>berto, and after the install process?
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12:39<anovaes>debian-br, where?
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12:40<Supaplex>on oftc (here) I'd assume ... maybe the factoid is stale. is anyone at all in there?
12:40<berto>Frolic: once the system is running you can theoretically suspend a system which has its swap in an encrypted partition
12:40<berto>but you have to do it by hand I guess
12:40<seanius>dude: compiz-fusion does not exist fully in lenny yet, you really want what's in sid
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12:43<Frolic>berto, Well, I had tried this before, but I got an error at boot time. But I'll search about this on the internet. Thanks.
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12:46<tilda140>hey all
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12:51<anovaes>chanel: debian-br, where? how?
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12:56<Supaplex>do I need to add -pg to debian/rules for compile+link options myself, or is there a DEB_BUILD_OPTS helper for this?
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12:58<kot>can s.o help me creating certificates ? p12 ? der ?
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12:59<alex>stew: i sorted that perl script it waorks now
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13:04<TheBigA>Hello all, newbie here
13:05<kot>go newbie
13:05<Supaplex>welcome to debian. don't be afraid to ask
13:05<Supaplex>!tell TheBigA -about ask
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13:08<TheBigA>I have a problem with CVS; Im running Debian ver 9.1.0. After getting CVS installed, I can't connect via pserver or any other method. Have tried reconfiguring and following different methods of install from across the net. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
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13:09<Supaplex>apparently dpkg-dev doesn't have anything to do with this? grep -rlF DEB_BUILD_OPTS */ has no results after I apt-get source dpkg-dev dpkg-cross
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13:09<Supaplex>TheBigA: debian just reached 4.0r1. Are you thinking ubuntu, or maybe a specific package?
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13:10<Supaplex>and cvs in etch is 1.12.13-8
13:10<TheBigA>ooops sorry, disconnected from that server, it's ver....
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13:11<kotkotkotk>at it says "The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:
13:11<kotkotkotk> 2007-12-15
13:11<Supaplex>TheBigA: what happens when you attempt to cvs co via pserver?
13:12<TheBigA>auth failure
13:12<Supaplex>kotkotkotk: what of it? don't flood please.
13:12<kotkotkotk>mine says
13:12<kotkotkotk>Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 1
13:12<kotkotkotk>why ?
13:12<Supaplex>kotkotkotk: etch ships with the latest security fixes. only sid and maybe lenny have the newer (but less proven, and less stable) packages
13:12<kotkotkotk>im wondering why i dont have the latest
13:13<kotkotkotk>mine is etch
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13:13<kotkotkotk>so u say that my version is the latest for debian ?
13:14<Supaplex>kotkotkotk: that's the latest kernel for etch, yes. you won't have the latest kernel in etch, because stable kept the kernel that was available at the time for release there.
13:14<kotkotkotk>thanx man
13:14<TheBigA>"cvs login: authorization failed"
13:15<TheBigA>can't even login - users have been added
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13:16<Supaplex>TheBigA: does it work off a cvs repo on I'll test a checkout to compare if you'd like. just feed me the details of a public repo to test.
13:17<Supaplex>what acts on DEB_BUILD_OPTS? Is it debian/rules alone? why do I have no hits with this: apt-get source dpkg-dev dpkg-cross ; grep -rlF DEB_BUILD_OPTS */
13:17<TheBigA>is there any real definitive guide to installing CVS on debian so I can check everything? I've went over the install 15 times and it seems all good.
13:18<Supaplex>TheBigA: managing a cvs repo is over my head. I'm happy enough to check out anonymous
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13:19<TheBigA>have checked anonymous, it's even a no go
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13:19<kmap>Supaplex: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is in cdbs. Is it different?
13:20<raven>Hi there!
13:21<azeem>it's DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, not DEB_BUILD_OPTS
13:21<raven>Does someone know a WORKING usb fingerprint stick with 2GB memory (or more)?
13:22<stew>different tools will look for different build DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, for example dh_strip (which is also called by cdbs) looks for "nostrip" in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, some individual rules files will look for debug, some will look for nocheck
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13:24<Supaplex>thanks stew. I guess I have to mod kmail/debian/rules myself for that. :) any suggested uses for -pg aka profiling?
13:25<seanius>you're profiling kmail? sounds fun :/
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13:26<Supaplex>yes, kmail is being a total <unspeakable pain>
13:26<seanius>Supaplex: hav eyou thought about using oprofile instead?
13:26<tilda140>ewww.. kmail
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13:27<Supaplex>if it weren't for vserver and it's ability to throttle the guest I have kmail running in to 5/7% of cpu time, I don't know what I'd do... but it's still not good. :P
13:28<TheBigA>any advice on where to go FOR advice on CVS setup/install issues?
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13:28<seanius>iirc both oprofile and callgrind you don't need to reinstrument the program
13:28<Supaplex>intresting ...
13:28<Supaplex>I have kdepim-dbg installed to, and I'd like to know what chunks of code blow .. heh heh
13:29<Supaplex>TheBigA: did you install the debian cvs package?
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13:30<TheBigA>oh yeah, that and cvsd
13:31<Supaplex>TheBigA: try adding a new test user, and see if you can checkout a public cvs repo you don't manage, like something off
13:32<TheBigA>k, will do
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13:32<Supaplex>or if you'd rather, you can backup/move your cvs dotfiles/directories and start anew. (to isolate user profiles)
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13:37<raven>Does someone know a WORKING usb fingerprint stick with 2GB memory (or more)?
13:38<Supaplex>I don't, but if you send me a few, I'll test them free ;)
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13:41<raven>Ok, other question: Is there a way to get information about my ram chips? I want to upgrade my memory, but don't want to remove my cooling plates (glued). I forgot, what chips were built in...
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13:42<Supaplex>raven: hwinfo dmdecode
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13:43<raven>root@Enigma:/home/raven# hwinfo dmdecode
13:43<raven>oops: don't know what to do with "dmdecode"
13:43<Supaplex>raven: or poke, plunk in your mainboard/system info, grab the kingston part number and find the specs on those.
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13:43<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
13:43<Supaplex>raven: those are two different commands btw
13:44<Supaplex>hehe, no need to ask us to wait. :P
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13:46<shay>I'm having troubles installing debian with a SATA cdrom, can someone give me any pointers?
13:46<raven>hwinfo shows me much unclassified devices!
13:47<TheBigA>thnks, removed it, gonna reinstall and see what happens
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13:53<supernova>hi everyone
13:53<supernova>could someone help me installing amarok on a debian sid?
13:54<raven>What's wrong?
13:55<supernova>i've done a fresh install from a net-install cd, then moved to sid and installed kde
13:55<supernova>but when i type 'apt-get install amarok'
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13:56<supernova>apt-get prompt me a lot of gnome packet like gconf, gnomevfs, libgtk, gnome_keyring and many others..
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13:58<supernova>ps: i've installed 'libmtp6' from (lenny tree) because in unstable repositories there is 'libmtp7' instead of 6
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13:58<raven>NO, you shouldn't do that!
13:59<supernova>apt-get hangs on if i don't install libmtp6
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13:59<supernova>it returns broken depend.
13:59<Supaplex>that's the nature of sid
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14:00<raven>Install the NEW library and make a symbolic link named 'libmtp6' targeting to 'libmtp7'.
14:00<raven>That should fix it.
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14:00<supernova>and what about all that gnome packages?
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14:00<supernova>amarok don't need them, but why apt force me to install?
14:01<raven>Just install, if the are really needed. Remove package by package after successful installation of amarok.
14:01<dpkg>hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
14:02<Supaplex>supernova: the package that depends might not be as recent as the dependency that went away
14:02<supernova>how i create a symlink? from /usr/lib/
14:02<Supaplex>if you have to ask that, sid isn't for you
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14:02<Supaplex>!tell supernova -about sid
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14:03<raven>I did recently an upgrade from etch to sid - but by mistake. I forgot to lock all my packages that should not be upgraded. :/
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14:04<supernova>supaplex i've used sid few months but i haven't ever had this error
14:05<Supaplex>!sid upgrade
14:05<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
14:05<Supaplex>!tell supernova -about grounding
14:05<Supaplex>milk before meat my friend :)
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14:06<raven>I've read testing is worse than unstable, isnt' it?
14:06<miguelf>hello, i use exim4 , but i don't know why the output of exiqgrep is different of exim4 -bpu
14:06<miguelf>but is to much different
14:07<Supaplex>testing is more stable because packages are screened before they are moved into it
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14:08<supernova>supaplex why apt-get force to install a lot of gnome packet for installing amarok?
14:08<supernova>i've checked at
14:08<Supaplex>supernova: dependency chain
14:08<supernova>and these packages aren't needed
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14:09<miguelf>exiqgrep only show me 1 message on the queue while exim4 -bpu shows arrown 5000
14:10<stew>supernova: if you run "apt-get -f install" without specifying any packages, does it still want to install stuff?
14:10<miguelf>exiqgrep have some config parametres for set de spool direcctory ?
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14:12<supernova>no stew... i've already tried that but my problem isn't install amarok, is just how to know why apt-get wants to install a lot of gnome packages( which ARE NOT dependecies of amarok!
14:12<stew>supernova: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
14:13<supernova>apt-get install amarok
14:14<stew>supernova: and the output?
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14:14<supernova>supernova@beowulf:~$ sudo apt-get install amarok
14:14<supernova>Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
14:14<supernova>Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso
14:14<supernova>Reading state information... Fatto
14:14<supernova>I seguenti pacchetti verranno inoltre installati:
14:14|-|supernova kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:15<simonrvn>now that's useful
14:15<themill>!tell supernova about paste
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14:15<simonrvn>"here, i'll paste to you folks a whole bunch of useless stuff and get kicked out while i'm at it"
14:15<stew>supernova: /msg dpkg pastebin
14:15<supernova>sorry guys
14:16<simonrvn>np, heh
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14:16<Supaplex>little harm done with debhelper at our disposal. :)
14:17<simonrvn>hm, "Reading state information" didn't get translated
14:17<supernova>i've typed /msg dpkg pastebin but nothing happens
14:17<simonrvn>the bot should be /msging you some info
14:17<simonrvn>dpkg: test
14:17<dpkg>Test Failed.
14:17<themill>!tell supernova about paste
14:17<simonrvn>it's alive
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14:18<supernova>ok boys
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14:19<tarrybone>supernova: if you arent identified to services, you wont be able to msg with dpkg
14:19<supernova>no matter now i've used paste zone as suggested by the bot
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14:21<themill>supernova: are you running etch?
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14:21<supernova>no, i've installed from a etch (net-install) and immediately after moved to sid tree
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14:22<themill>generally better to go via testing when you do that, btw
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14:23<supernova>themill: i've done this task a lot of time but never had this "problem"
14:23<themill>what does apt-get dist-upgrade do at this stage?
14:23<supernova>it's all upgraded at latest version
14:24<supernova>brb in 5 minutes
14:24<themill>and do you currently have a web browser installed?
14:24<supernova>no, only konqueror
14:25<Infinito>konqueror is a web browser..
14:25<Infinito>among other things
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14:27<StucKman>hi all. I'm extracting a tar.bz2 file and it's unpacking symlinks as 0-length files with perms set as 0000. compacting tar was sarge's and extracting one is etch's. tar -t shows symlinks allright. any hints?
14:27<StucKman>complete command is: tar -xjv --exclude='var/lib/qemu/*' --exclude='opt/*' --checkpoint -Uplf /root/beetroot.tar.bz2
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14:29<supernova>excuse me but no one has checked my apt-get output?
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14:31<themill>supernova: there is now a without recommends option to apt-get (that I can't remember off the top of my head). Try that.
14:33<chealer>supernova: your output isn't in English
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14:38<supernova>themill: i haven't found that option in apt
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14:42<[gloom]>hi there!
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14:42<[d00m]>hi [gloom] :)
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14:42[~][d00m] and [gloom], coming to a PC near you ;)
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14:44<[gloom]>I have my laptop conected t internet with rj45 cable. Is possible to use the wireless adapter of the laptop as an AP for other devices to connect to internet? It can't be an "ad-hoc" network.Is it possible?
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14:45<TheBigA>wow, I'm stuck - gonna have to find a IRC channel just to help with CVS install
14:45<Supaplex>that varies based on the wireless device. some wireless devices disallow spoofing of the mac address, so those are unable to bridge, but master mode is also another feature that may not be available.
14:45<[gloom]>it is the last from intel.4965AGN i think
14:45<dpkg>somebody said iwlwifi was the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmwire provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
14:46<Supaplex>good luck. uncharted territory for me. :)
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14:47<[gloom]>Supaplex: I'm checking it. thx
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15:05<flavioribeiro>hi all, anyone can say me a program that open .dwg files?
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15:05<dondelelcaro>flavioribeiro: you could try varkon; pythoncad specifically doesn't support them.
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15:06<flavioribeiro>i've tried open with pythoncad, without success
15:06<dondelelcaro>uh... that'd be because it _doesn't_ support them...
15:06<flavioribeiro>uhum, installing varkon now
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15:07<flavioribeiro>thanks dondelelcaro
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15:09<Christmas>do you happen to know when kdocker will be available in lenny's repos?
15:10<themill>flavioribeiro: I think qcad can handle them
15:10<JasonS>!why is kdocker not in testing
15:10<dpkg>kdocker is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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15:10<alex>anyone know what the package name is for the 7100gs graphics card in 64 bit debian?
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15:10<themill>Christmas: kxdocker?
15:11<flavioribeiro>themill, only dxf
15:11<themill>oh well.... :(
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15:13<Christmas>no, just kdocker
15:13<Christmas>i managed to install it by downloading it from sourceforge
15:13<Christmas>but it's not in the repos
15:14<Christmas>JasonS, thanks, i saw that only now
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15:15<themill>Christmas: it's not in debian, so JasonS's link is a bit useless
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15:15<themill>Christmas: you can request someone package it, following the instructions at
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15:16<[gloom]>man, i cannot make it: I receive this
15:16<themill>Christmas: But the fastest way of getting it into debian would be to contact the guy who's made the .debs on their website and see if he's interested in getting the package into debian.
15:16<[gloom]>iwconfig wlan0 mode master
15:16<[gloom]>Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
15:16<[gloom]> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
15:16<Christmas>ok then
15:17<themill>[gloom]: did you modprobe iwl4965 ?
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15:17<[gloom]>yes, the wireless lan is working fine. I'm trying to use the laptop as an AP.
15:17<[gloom]>The modules are properly loaded and working
15:17<themill>ahhh.... that may not be possible with that hardware.
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15:19<[gloom]>I had the same problem with an ahteros PCMCIA card, but it was solved using madwifi tools, and destroyng the device and creating one new in monitos/master mode
15:19<[gloom]>but here I cant use this tools
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15:19<[gloom]>any idea how to destroy the device and re-create it again?
15:20<themill>modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965
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15:21<[gloom]>aha, and does the module accept parameters for creating the device in the desired mode?
15:22<themill>no idea... modinfo iwl4965 will tell you the list of options it accepts
15:23<themill>there is also a wmaster0 device that is created next to wlan0 and I've not yet worked out what that's for.
15:23<[gloom]>yeah, i saw it, but no idea how to use it
15:23<themill>(and I've not been bothered to try to find out)
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15:23<[gloom]>i'm looking at the paramters the module accepts, and nothing about the mode
15:24<themill>[gloom]: you probably need to talk to people who know far more about that chipset than we do. There is both a mailing list and IRC channel that you can ask:
15:25<[gloom]>themill: great. didn't see it. thanx
15:25<themill>np. Good luck ;)
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15:30<Supaplex>heh heh heeeehhhhhh. free hardware rules.
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15:32<alex>where did you get?
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15:32<janux-xmind>hi guys!
15:32<Supaplex>a usb cross over network cable thingie
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15:32<janux-xmind>how can i mount my new disk partition on my debian?
15:33<Supaplex>it came with some pc transfer software, some 3rd party lookalike to windows file and settings transfer etc. after the rebate I make $1 or so, and keep the included hardware. :)
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15:34<Supaplex>janux-xmind: which disk? cat /proc/partitions for partitions the kernel is in the know about, man mount, man fstab
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15:34<Supaplex>janux-xmind: what's file -sk /dev/hdb1 say?
15:35<Hiryu>does anyone know how to do a timedemo in quake4 for linux?
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15:35<Hiryu>google is failing me
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15:36<janux-xmind>janux-xmind: what's file -sk /dev/hdb1 say?
15:36<janux-xmind>debian:/home/janux-xmind# janux-xmind: file -sk /dev/hdb1
15:36<janux-xmind>bash: janux-xmind:: command not found
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15:37<Supaplex>janux-xmind: uhm, without the janux-xmind: part
15:38<janux-xmind>debian:/home/janux-xmind# file -sk /dev/hdb1
15:38<janux-xmind>/dev/hdb1: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display, code offset 0x58, OEM- ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 32, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 819 15372 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 19990, serial number 0x47682 d9c, label: " "\012- DOS executable (COM), boot code
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15:40<Supaplex>janux-xmind: mkdir /media/dos ; mount -t vfat /media/dos -o uid=debian
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15:40<alex>i'm reading the tutorial at, and C-z does NOT do what the tutorial says it does.. What gives?
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15:40<Supaplex>alex: yuck. this usb thingie is usb 1.x performance.
15:40<Supaplex>oh well, it was free. *shrug*.
15:40<Christmas>c-z should make an app run in background iirc
15:41<amphi>alex: it doesn't send SIGSTOP?
15:41<alex>it does something about resizing line sizes
15:41<amphi>Christmas: it will _stop_ it and put it in the background; you need to do 'bg' for it to run in the background
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15:42<alex>when i press 'c', it just beeps
15:42<Christmas>alex, c is ctrl :)
15:42<janux-xmind>where do i put the name of the partition in the command?
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15:42<Christmas>it should have said ^C actually to be more accurate
15:43<alex>thnks for clearing that up.
15:43<Supaplex>janux-xmind: mount /dev/device /media/location
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15:44<alex>xcept now ctrl + c makes beeping noises too haha
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15:44<Supaplex>janux-xmind: but do read the man page. don't expect anyone to hold your hand etc :)
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15:45<alex>oh nm/
15:45<alex>i'm dum
15:45<alex>ctrl + z
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16:32<bebin>how to make transparent windows and titlebar in debian
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16:44<kingsley>Someone evidently pulled the plug on a box and now it hangs during boot. A live CD works, and fsck reported no errors, so I suspect that skipping the shutdown proceedure resulted in (high level) data corruption. The hard drive is mirrored remotely. What's a good command to compare remote files, possibly by checksum, and restore only those which have changed?
16:45<streuner>!+tell kingsley -about multiple ask
16:45<dpkg>told kingsley about multiple ask.
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17:02<Supaplex>kingsley: rsync
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17:03<kingsley>Supaplex: Can you elaborate?
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17:08<jthomas>kingsley: rsync -a _origin_ _destination_ will do that; best to run from a live CD. You would mount the _destination_ hard drives on mountpoints inside the LiveCD session, then run the rsync command to have it look to the far server where the backup files are located and copy the differences.
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17:12<Supaplex>kingsley: you'll want to make sure source and destination directories end with a /, man rsync for more details.
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17:18<kingsley>Supaplex: Thanks. Any other tips you'd care to offer would save me time. rsync's man page is thousands of lines long. Perhaps you could suggest certain keywords to search for.
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17:20<myth>Is there a way I can read my /var/mail mail in an email client?
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17:21<dondelelcaro>myth: use mutt or similar
17:21<amphi>myth: mutt?
17:22<myth>I'd prefer a gui
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17:22<stew>i would think that any email client should be able to do it
17:22<streuner>sylpheed then
17:23<streuner>but mutt is better, you could just tell mutt what folder it should read...
17:23<dondelelcaro>all those spool files are are mboxes... if an MUA can't handle that, there's something wrong
17:23<kingsley>myth: 1.) Run mutt as root. 2.) Press the "c" key. 3.) Enter a user's subdirectory under /var/mail, such as "/var/mail/myth".
17:23<dondelelcaro>ugh. don't run mutt as root
17:23<myth>Ok let me rephrase :P I'm currently using icedove, is there anyway i can just get it there
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17:24<streuner>just use mutt
17:24<myth>blah, ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken
17:26<kingsley>myth: If I recall correctly, that just's just suggesting that you check /var/log/exim4/paniclog for errors.
17:26<kingsley>s/ just//
17:26<myth>yeah but it spammed my mailbox with the warning
17:26<kingsley>myth: If I recall correctly, that's just suggesting that you check /var/log/exim4/paniclog for errors.
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17:27<alex>how do i undo a change to the PS1 environmental variable?
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17:30<kingsley>alex: Type 'PS1="hello world"' at a command line.
17:30<alex>ok n/m i had to escape the \ in \h:\w\$
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17:34<kingsley>Supaplex: It seems to me that rsync's "-c", "-a" and "-z" options would allow me to restore only files that have changed.
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17:36<dondelelcaro>kingsley: you generally can just get by with rsync -avP or similar; no need for -c unless your filesystem is garbage
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17:42<myth>meh, mutt isnt that bad
17:44<streuner>we told you :-)
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17:44<streuner>well, i prefer sylpheed, it works and has everything you need
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17:57<myth>what firewalls do you guys prefer, ive been looking for a couple minutes and have found a handful already
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17:59<JasonS>myth: iptables
17:59<JasonS>but im betting you mean an X front end reallly
17:59<JasonS>really too
17:59<myth>doesnt have to be X front
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18:01<JasonS>myth: then iptables
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18:07<myth>JasonS, between arno,shorewall,firehol?
18:07<JasonS>aren't those all frontends of one sort or another to iptables?
18:07<myth>i wasnt aware they were considered frontends
18:07<myth>but yes
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18:08<JasonS>never tried any, i just edit the active-save and restore but ive heard good things about shorewall
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18:13<panagos>is there a tool to view the DAG of all loaded shared libs in the system?
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18:27<dondelelcaro>panagos: the DAG?
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18:28<panagos>directed acyclic graph :D
18:28<dondelelcaro>lots of running ldd
18:28<panagos>well, shared libs + their dependencies on each other
18:29<dondelelcaro>but any particular reason why?
18:29<panagos>basically, i'm searching ways to view memory usage
18:29<panagos>* for ways
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18:30<dondelelcaro>panagos: with an eye towards doing what?
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18:30<panagos>monitoring memory usage of different processes
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18:31<dondelelcaro>panagos: if you care about that in any detail, the best method is to check out /proc/<pid>/smaps or similar
18:31<panagos>for instance, top can display how much memory a process' code uses, but how can i see how much of it is shared by others? (via shared objects)
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18:32<panagos>hmmm, i'll see about smaps :D
18:33<dondelelcaro>this would be another time for me to use the following factoid:
18:33<dondelelcaro>!real question
18:33<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.]
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18:34<panagos>o, of the embarrassment :$
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18:34<dondelelcaro>it's ok; I get to use that factoid more than once a day.
18:34<college>how do i do an apt-get install? i can not install a flash plug in
18:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is Also ask about <nspluginwrapper> if you're using a x86_64 browser. For an FOSS alternative, ask about <gnash>.
18:35<panagos>btw, can i find anywhere the implementation of the dpkg bot? :D
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18:36<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
18:36<dondelelcaro>!your factoids
18:36<dpkg>My factoids are available at They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at
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18:36<college>thank you also hwo do i install an es linux kernal ?
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18:38<panagos>college: what do you mean by "es"?
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18:40<college>panagos: selinux
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18:44<college>pangos: do you knwo about the selinux kernal?
18:45<jona_>debian en español?
18:45<panagos>heard of it...
18:45<panagos>but practically no
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18:46<panagos>in top's manpage it says that "RES = CODE + DATA", but DATA is more that RES - in most processes!
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18:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:52<simonrvn>jona_: ^^^
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19:02<Error_X>Why cant I apt-get install zlib1g-dev with unstable? I only get: zlib1g-dev Depends: zlib1g (= 1: but 1: is to be installed
19:02<alex>what happens when you declare a function in xterm? Does it stay in long term storage forever or does it get erased when xterm quits?
19:03<azeem>Error_X: did you run apt-get update?
19:03<azeem>alex: what do you mean with "a function"ß
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19:03<Error_X>azeem: many times
19:03<azeem>Error_X: what does apt-cache policy zlib1g say?
19:03<alex>like, a_function() {}
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19:04<alex>i type: a_function(){} in the xterm
19:04<azeem>alex: isn't that a shell specific thing?
19:04<alex>i dun know.. i was following 6.3 in debian tutorial
19:04<alex>and it left me hanging.
19:05<Error_X>azeem: it says alot
19:05<azeem>Error_X: pastebin it
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19:05<myth>JasonS, can i PM you?
19:05<Error_X>woah, no space left on
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19:06<Asv>hi all
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19:06<azeem>alex: where is that tutorial?
19:07<Error_X>azeem: do you see something?
19:07<azeem>Error_X: no, you forgot to add zlib1g to the command line
19:09<azeem>Error_X: where did you install zlib1g from?
19:09<Asv>i need help, i have debian etch 4.0 x86_64, i have 3 broken dependence, what can i do?
19:09<azeem>or did you change mirrors recently?
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19:09<Error_X>azeem: I changed from lenny to unstable, and did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, rebooted
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19:09<alex>i'm reading chapter 16 right now.. but it's kind of different from functions at the moment
19:10<muep>Asv: are you using only repositories and packages supplied by debian?
19:10<azeem>Error_X: lenny does not have zlib1g, so you got it from elsewhere
19:10<azeem>alex: so a shell function. shell functions live as long as the shell lives
19:10<infinitycircuit>Asv, do you want to pastebin the exact error message
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19:11<azeem>alex: to have some functions present all the time, put them into a file and source them from your shell startup files
19:11<azeem>likely ~/.bashrc or so
19:11<Error_X>azeem: ah, yes... testing from DVD-rom which I just burned out
19:11<Asv>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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19:12<Asv>udgrade libc -> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
19:12<Error_X>azeem: 'testing' dvd
19:13<azeem>Error_X: pastebin the output of apt-get update
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19:16<infinitycircuit>Asv, if you try apt-get install -f i take it that fails as well
19:16<azeem>Error_X: well, seems the mirror is out of date
19:17<azeem>use a different one
19:17<Error_X>I will try
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19:36<asid>Anyone know of a legit way to get a flash plugin to work in etch, platform amd64
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19:37<alex>haha i was struggling with that all day yesterday asid
19:38<alex>and it turns out there some weird hack that only works with unstable debian
19:38<Supaplex>dpkg: ping
19:38<Supaplex>dpkg: setup x
19:38<dpkg>to install x in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. if you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your x server, ask me about <drxx>
19:38<dpkg>methinks flash is Also ask about <nspluginwrapper> if you're using a x86_64 browser. For an FOSS alternative, ask about <gnash>.
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19:39<Supaplex>is dpkg ignoring my /query for any reason? :)
19:39<Supaplex>I have no ignores that match...
19:40<Supaplex>dpkg: flash =~ s/
19:40<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
19:40<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: because you're asking on freenode and aren't in a channel that the bot is on there?
19:40<Supaplex>oh. yeah maybe :P
19:40[~]Supaplex slaps irssi's tab completion around
19:42<asid>alex: you know where i can read about this hack at?
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19:44<Supaplex>flash sounds like a pain, if you don't use chroot or vserver :)
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19:44<Supaplex>but it's evil^H^H^H^H non-free anyway :P
19:45<alex>i think u have to visit
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19:46<alex>but i struggled with it all day yesterday for nothing after reading some Debian FAQ that says it only works on unstable debian
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19:46<Supaplex>!chroot install
19:46<dpkg>chroot install is, like,, or, or ask me about <debootstrap>, or, or
19:46<alex>“” could not be found.
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19:47<Supaplex>!tell alex -about i-g
19:47<Supaplex>alex: there's a 'installing linux on existing systems' that relates
19:48<Supaplex>the debootstrap section alone mostly applies
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19:54<witte>anyone knows why xorg and some program called ld-linux-so.2 each use about 12 % of my memory (512 MB ==> 60 MB each) and is this normal?
19:55<azeem>witte: how did you figure out ld-linux-so.2 uses 12% of memory?
19:55<witte>azeem: top?
19:56<Supaplex>if ld-linux whatever shows up as a program, I'd be more worried about that than the memory it is using
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19:56<azeem>witte: did you do some funky tricks with yourself?
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19:57<witte>well, I don't know what it does, but I looked at teh manpage and it looks like something what i would not use :-)
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19:57<azeem>which uid runs it?
19:57<witte>btw, I am on sid, but just using windowmaker, firefox, emacs, xmms, etc
19:57<witte>azeem: under my own user
19:57<jagerman>I think it's connected to firefox
19:57<Supaplex>witte: what's ls -l /proc/<pid>/exe show?
19:58<jagerman>or some firefox plugin
19:58<witte>lrwxrwxrwx 1 dirk dirk 0 2007-12-19 01:58 /proc/3499/exe -> /lib/
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19:59<witte>jagerman: I tested it experimentally, and it was not firefox, it was acroread 8
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19:59<jagerman>witte: Which is often loaded as a firefox plugin :P
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20:00<witte>jagerman: not in my case, I do not have that plugin, i do not like that
20:00<jagerman>I agree with you
20:00<jagerman>In fact, I hate acroreader entirely
20:01<jagerman>It's the slowest, most annoying PDF reader there is.
20:01<Supaplex>it's bloatware, like most mozilla apps, vmware, etc.
20:01<witte>jagerman: I usually use xpdf, but you can select texts with acroread...
20:02<jagerman>witte: Much of the time you can't even do that in it. I much prefer evince
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20:02<simonrvn>witte: you can with xpdf too
20:02<jagerman>And unlike xpdf, evince makes the stuff look just as good as acroread.
20:02<Supaplex>gv's a little better in the pdf dept. it's klutzy, but rarely a resource hog (and when it is, you'll know it)
20:02[~]simonrvn coughs *shift key*
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20:03<simonrvn>i actually sneezed instead, but whatever ;p
20:03<Supaplex>~tissue simonrvn
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20:04[~]simonrvn hugs multi-tty emacs *again*
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20:05<simonrvn>Supaplex: so "pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* is ...." is how you did the factoid?
20:06<simonrvn>Supaplex: how come when i did that to rb, it wouldn't behave the same?
20:07<witte>jagerman: ok, installed evince, looks ok, I will test it a bit
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20:07<Supaplex>dpkg: literal cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].*
20:07<dpkg>"cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].*" is "($1): egrep -i --color `echo $1 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias"
20:08<Supaplex>ravenbird: CMD: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* is ($1): egrep -i --color `echo $1 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
20:08<ravenbird>Supaplex: okay
20:08<Supaplex>ravenbird: +listkeys cmd: pciid
20:08<witte>I think wil mail to Christian Marillat about the ld-linux thing
20:08<ravenbird>Factoid search of 'cmd: pciid' by key (1): cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].*.
20:08<simonrvn>gotta leave off that cmd:
20:08<Supaplex>ravenbird: pciid [0000:0000]
20:08<ravenbird>egrep -i --color `echo 0000:0000 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
20:08<simonrvn>eek, it worked
20:08<Supaplex>I know my infobot. :)
20:08<simonrvn>thanks :)
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20:10<Supaplex>simonrvn: when I was pentesting that, I found out I didn't make dpkg delete the bad runs, so he had 10+ very similar instances of different regexes, and I didn't know which one was responding. made troubleshooting a PITA until I figured that out. :)
20:10<simonrvn>for sure. forget is nice ;p
20:11<simonrvn>how long did it take you to come up with that one?
20:11<Supaplex>1d or so
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20:11<Supaplex>if I had know about all the little pitfalls, I would have had it worked out a lot faster :)
20:12<asid>is there a legit way to get java plugin to work in etch, platform amd64?
20:12<simonrvn>"legit"? other than chroot, i don't think so
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20:14<simonrvn>googlebot, and some others, have gotten "smarter" WRT not over-revving the spidering when they "notice" the page they're fetching is dynamically generated, vs. static
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20:26<alex>i'm gonna have so much fun trying to get all the applications to work...
20:26<alex>it kind of ruins the point of having better performance/more memory of 64 bit
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20:28<Supaplex>I only use 64bit for server stuff and sites that don't require lameness. :P
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20:34<Supaplex>3.3GB cached memory, wth?
20:36<alex>is doom2 a standard package?
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20:37<chealer>Supaplex: what?
20:37<chealer>alex: did you try checking by yourself?
20:37<Supaplex>alex: apt-cache search doom
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20:44<klaes>hey guys, by advice from here, i changed to using the debian way for my nvidia driver... uninstalled it first, then reinstalled the debian way, with correct version gcc n all that...
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20:45<klaes>but now, every time i wanna start my x server it stops with error at loading the glx module, then i can go to the console and login and do "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx" and that makes it work again, any suggestions?
20:45<chealer>klaes: look at the error.
20:46<klaes>chealer, doesnt say much, just that the x server could not be started... and that i should make nvidia work before restarting gdm...
20:46<klaes>chealer, like, detailed error just shows the log from xorg stopping at loading glx module
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20:47<chealer>klaes: consider publishing the error.
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20:47<Supaplex>klaes: what's lsmod | grep nvidia say when it's not working?
20:47<klaes>chealer, ye, i think i might, just wanted to check in here first if anybody had an idea, i couldnt seem to find it on any forums either...
20:48<klaes>Supaplex, hmm, dont know :S ill try to find out, but it might take a while...
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20:48<Supaplex>we're not billing you for the time spent. ;)
20:49<Supaplex>in the mean time, have fun hehe..
20:49<klaes>ill have a go...
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20:49<swhite>Im trying to get my company to pass a PCI scan. Is Apache 1.3.33 the last of the versions for apache 1.3?
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20:50<swhite>apache 1.3.33 wont pass as a secure version no matter what.
20:51<Supaplex>that's because 1.3 is legacy oldskewl. I don't think it'll live to seen lenny
20:51<swhite>I know I can go to apache2 but I'm trying to avoid that for other reasons.
20:51<chealer>swhite: did you check Apache's website?
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20:52<quitte>hi. where does uswsusp get its information which partition is swap from?
20:52<swhite>I know I can complie my own but I figured I would check with this group to verify 1.3.33 is the end of the road as far as debian is concerned.
20:52<quitte>the package installation script uses an old value.
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20:54<Supaplex>swhite: debian might package an older version, but you'll have security updates which will surpass the version number shown.
20:55<swhite>ok, I was hoping for that answer. Any idea where I can get a list of such patches.
20:56<Supaplex>check the changelog, or pick through the patches from apt-get source
20:56<Supaplex>compare with for outstanding security issues
20:57<swhite>ok. was hoping for a "dummy" list. thanks for your help plex.
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20:59<alex>is touch the correct way to create a file?
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20:59<chealer>alex: there are several correct ways to create a file.
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21:00<alex>up till now, the tutorial only mentions touch as a way of creating a file
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21:00<swhite>like an empty file for a script?
21:00<Supaplex>'the tutorial'?
21:00<Supaplex>real men use ed ;) use any editor you want...
21:01<alex>i guess i should use gedit
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21:01<cjmrdc>i have a very, very noob question to ask, if i add another SATA drive, will debian autodetect it at boot and ask me to partition it?
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21:02<swhite>it will "detect" it but what happens netx it up to you...
21:02<cjmrdc>that makes me a sad panda
21:02<alex>panda express causes diarrhea
21:02<klaes>back again... well, lsmod|grep nvidia gives exactly the same whether it works or doesnt, lol, wanna know what anyway?
21:02<cjmrdc>i suppose i should not be lazy and just reinstall
21:02<swhite>where is that from "sad panda"
21:02<Supaplex>!nurse cjmrdc
21:02[~]dpkg gives cjmrdc the right nipple
21:02<cjmrdc>south park
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21:03<cjmrdc>sexual harassment panda
21:03<Supaplex>reinstall for that? this isn't windows :P
21:03<cjmrdc>yes but, if you're truly lazy, reinstalling fixes everything
21:03<Supaplex>why not ask how to do $something
21:03<chealer>klaes: no, just the error.
21:03<cjmrdc>and - this will make you a sad panda as well, every linux box in my apartment does 2 things
21:03<cjmrdc>NAS, and F@H
21:04<klaes>chealer, there is no real error... ill tell you what it says on my nice BSOD
21:05<klaes>chealer, it just tells me it failed to start the X server, and that i can view details, which is my xorg.conf log... which only got warnings in it really :S
21:05<chealer>klaes: then please provide the log.
21:05<klaes>chealer, then when i get past all that it says... The X server is now disabled. Restart GDM when it has been configured correctly.
21:06<klaes>chealer, how can i do that?
21:06<chealer>klaes: put it on a pastebin, for example.
21:06<Supaplex>klaes: /var/log/Xorg.0.log -->>
21:07<klaes>chealer, Supaplex, ah ^^
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21:09[~]Supaplex slaps kmail...
21:09<Supaplex>looks like it's time to profile this twit again...
21:10<chealer>Supaplex: kmail is another one which already has enough bugs for interested bugs to look at.
21:11<klaes>Supaplex, how do i copy all ze text? oO
21:11<klaes>Supaplex, since i dont wanna open some silly program n copy it all, wanna know if there is a nice way
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21:12<Supaplex>chealer: are you suggesting I just give up?
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21:13<klaes>chealer, Supaplex, well, i just pasted it now...
21:13<chealer>Supaplex: no, I deal with it daily. I'm just suggesting that if you don't want to read me whine about it, you stop it too :)
21:14<chealer>klaes: that's not a stop with error, that's a crash.
21:14<klaes>chealer, then thats why i cant say what the error is...
21:15<klaes>chealer, wanna see the normal thing?
21:15<chealer>klaes: no need
21:15<klaes>chealer, didnt think so, it just goes on from there with the next things...
21:15<klaes>chealer, but this is why i just cant seem to see what is wrong :S
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21:16<alex>for some reason i'm not able to access a file on my file system..
21:16<alex>i tried to chmod it to make it accessible but i'm not sure about how groups work
21:16<Supaplex>!tell alex -about grounding
21:17<jae>netfilter question: I see rejects in my log on port N, even though I PREROUTE those to another box... what could cause this? (It worked for ages...)
21:17<klaes>grounding? lol
21:17<Supaplex>klaes: yes. as in the basics.
21:17<klaes>Supaplex, makes more sense then :) not very used to using dpkg for anything...
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21:21<klaes>chealer, Supaplex, i suppose ill post it then eh? good ideas for a nice posting place?
21:21<Supaplex> works for me....
21:21<chealer>klaes: first, did you look at the BTS?
21:22<Supaplex>speaking of which, xserver-xorg is kicking my tail //
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21:22<klaes>chealer, nope, didnt, ill try that first then, thx
21:23<Supaplex>!xserver-xorg postinst warning
21:23<dpkg>methinks xserver-xorg postinst warning is If you get an error that states "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" please run "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
21:23<Supaplex>tried all this with no success.
21:23<Supaplex>~lart ERECURRSION
21:23[~]dpkg strangles ERECURRSION with a doohicky mouse cord
21:26<klaes>Supaplex, lol, i have just had something similar actually...
21:28<klaes>Supaplex, got dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to work when changing some things in a .dat file... sux that i dont remember where right now... some config of some sort :S
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21:29<Supaplex>uhm.. wth, I have x running already. er interesting...
21:30<klaes>Supaplex, didnt matter for me... but the file i changed was /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
21:31<klaes>ah, ye, under xserver-xorg/config/device/driver
21:31<klaes>value wasnt set
21:31<klaes>had to be set to nvidia
21:31<klaes>and ownders: xserver-xorg n flags seen...
21:32<klaes>dunno if it works for you, prolly something else
21:32<klaes>but anyways
21:33<Supaplex>ah ffs. kernel panic.
21:35<chealer>Supaplex: please watch your language.
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21:47<Supaplex>I think I rerolled linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 on my own. where can I find the aptitude show linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 data for the package that's installed on my system? (vs what the repo would tell about it)
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21:51<Supaplex>eh nm, found the local .deb
21:52<george>usually debs get built in ..
21:53<Supaplex>li:/usr/local/src/repo# md5sum {../,}$(basename
21:53<Supaplex>81acadc8cbaca3500acf28c3724315f8 ../linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_amd64.deb
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21:53<Supaplex>d264466281d7596876f18427dc7dad37 linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_amd64.deb
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21:54<Supaplex>buhuhaha. :) now time to pick them appart, and put diff to work. (so package maintainers are left wondering)
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21:59<jdubb>hi I'm new to c coding. I'm tryin to learn gtk. I'm a java guy, so forgive the ignorance. GtkWindow *window. That declares a pointer instead of an actual instance... is this generally the case for most c stuff. A pointer is declared instead of an actual instance?
21:59<Supaplex>weird. I thought I recompiled the kernel with debugging symbols and stuff. but my configs are identical.
21:59<klaes>Supaplex, i think if you set a variable for the... xserver-xorg/config/display/modes section in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat.... i think that would work for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to work, if you know what it should be anyway...
22:00<Supaplex>except the build times.
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22:01[~]Supaplex compares with file...
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22:29[~]Supaplex stabs #457006 =->
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22:39<dondelelcaro>suiside: right, because you need libglib2.0-dev installed.
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22:49<alex>are there any good apache tutorials that are actually readable and understandable to a noob?
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22:49<alex>or am i just gonna read archaic apache commands without knowing what they do..
22:50<stew>alex: if you have specific questions, just ask, or try #apache on ; the docs at are pretty thurough
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22:55<alex>is it possible to connect to more than 1 server at a time in xchat?
22:56<alex>ok i just opened another xchat..
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23:01<alex>bleh i'm kind of sick of all this very technical amibigous documentation.. in the past 2 days i've only learned how to apt-get install.
23:02<asid>what are you trying to do
23:02<kmap>alex: It is possible
23:02<kmap>alex: Just connect to another server. That's all
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23:11<Christmas>yeah alex
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23:12<Christmas>xchat supports multiple connections to different network
23:12<Christmas>same goes with other linux irc clients (konversation, kvirc, irssi etc)
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23:13<Christmas>related to your apache questions: since you are new (are u?) u can't expect to just know everything in a blink of an eye
23:13<Christmas>you have to do some reading first
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23:32<berat>i have a problem
23:32<berat>i have acer aspire 5720g
23:32<berat>there is no so soudn on debian etch
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23:33<berat>Intel Corporation 82801H is my sound card
23:33<berat>i can adjust volume alsoa but there is no sound
23:34<dpkg>i guess snd-hda-intel is To use it in etch for some chips it helps to m-a a-i alsa because the the 2.6.18-3 kernel has older alsa then the source package in etch
23:35<berat>i am configure new alsa source
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23:39[~]Woland is still debian user
23:39<berat>any suggestion
23:39<Woland>ubuntu crashes on by laptop during installation
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23:40<berat>my alsa version is 1.0.13
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23:41<guru>hi all
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23:43<guru>can anybody tell me how can i lock a folder with a password?
23:43<Schroeder>OBJECTIVE FACT: Dallas Clark belongs in the Pro Bowl
23:44<guru>or encrypt it with passwords,so that nobody can even delete the folder.
23:48<berat>my alsa source 1.0.15
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23:49<berat>i have a problem nosound ca anybody help me
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23:50<chealer>berat: from which version does ALSA support your sound card?
23:51<berat>i dont know actually
23:51<kmap>berat: Best bet, get the latest version from the alsa website
23:51<berat>i have last
23:52<berat>alsa configurator version 1.0.13
23:52<chealer>berat: find it, and get that one or one superior. or try blindly upgrading.
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23:53<berat>what is bblindly upgrerading
23:54<berat>my alsa source version 1.0.15
23:54<berat>the latest
23:54<chealer>berat: for example, if you have 1.0.12 which doesn't seem to support your card, but don't know which version supports it, you can try upgrading to 1.0.13, in case the first version to support it is 1.0.13.
23:57<chealer>berat: another way is to find an ALSA version that supports your card, and upgrade to that or something ulterior.
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23:59<Woland>guys, i have another problem:
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