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---Logopened Thu Dec 20 00:00:01 2007
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00:04<Alcap>supaplex: like I said, didn't work
00:04<Supaplex>oh, let me check my install. 1m.
00:05<Alcap>you've installed XFCE on purpose?
00:07<Supaplex>just now
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00:09<Supaplex>that's no wm. it's pure junk for me.
00:11<bebin>how to make the transparent window in debian
00:11<Supaplex>ahh, that's more like it. <3 flwm.
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00:12<vin`>bebin: using compiz/beryl or just some fancy term?
00:12<Supaplex>hi? ;)
00:12<Alcap>gess what
00:12<Alcap>gnome is still installed
00:12<Supaplex>that's no wm. it's pure junk for me. <3 flwm.
00:12<bebin>vin: ok
00:12<Alcap>I removed it though
00:13<Alcap>I'm going to install that one just to check
00:13<Alcap>although it sounds too geek for me xD
00:13<Supaplex>!+info flwm
00:13<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
00:13<Alcap>dpkg ignored you xD
00:13<Supaplex>it takes a min
00:14<Alcap>like the description;)
00:14<dpkg>flwm: (Fast Light Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.02-3 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 100 kB
00:15<Supaplex>Libfltk1.1 contains the files necessary for running programs dynamically linked with FLTK, a very nice LGPLed cross-platform graphical user interface toolkit originally based on libForms. (~800kb on etch)
00:15<Supaplex>er 873kb. so about 1mb for the entire wm system. (not including xorg and those deps)
00:17<Alcap>what exactly is a desktop environment?
00:17<Alcap>is it just a set of apps?
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00:18<bebin>vin: how to install compiz
00:18<Supaplex>cjmrdc: what?
00:18<cjmrdc>come up with something to use my spare linux boxes for
00:18<cjmrdc>besides F@H
00:19<Supaplex>spamtrap for
00:20<Supaplex>I've axed the mx for now. it was filling up a fractional DS3 before
00:21<cjmrdc>sad times
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00:22<Alcap>this is some freaky WM
00:22<Supaplex>it grows on you after a while
00:22<trey>hey.... just installed deb for the first time on an old pc, having a weird prob
00:22<bebin>how to install compiz in debian
00:22<Supaplex>trey: weird? no. vague? very.
00:23<trey>if I put a CD into the drive it mounts just fine. If I switch users to another person in the root group, it won't allow that person to eject the media.
00:23<Supaplex>!tell bebin -about compiz
00:23<Supaplex>uhm, why'd you add users to the root group?
00:24<trey>bc it made a weird sort of sense?
00:24<Supaplex>the 'users' line might apply better (fstab), but that user would need to eject it first. otherwise, consider sudo.
00:25<bebin>it is like berly used to make debian look good
00:25<trey>sudo unmount /media/cd0?
00:25<kmap>Experienced people, I was wondering whether dpkg (bot) is smart enough to learn on it's own, or are there commands to explicitly train it?
00:26<cjmrdc>dpkg is actually a cluster of neural networks, it trains
00:26<kmap>(I am fairly new to IRC, esp. #debian, so)
00:26<kmap>cjmrdc: I see.
00:26<cjmrdc>whoa, whoa - don't believe me, i'm drunk
00:26<Supaplex>trey: yup.
00:26[~]kmap thought so, but shut up
00:26<trey>k, cool, tks
00:27<trey>woops :P
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00:27<Alcap>supaplex: do you know how to remove all desktop enviroments, window managers, etc from debian?
00:27<Alcap>in order to have just pure debian
00:27<dpkg>i guess window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
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00:30<vin`>kmap: /msg dpkg help
00:31<kmap>vin`: Read that. Thanks
00:31<vin`>kmap: no, it's not smart enough to learn on it's own. ;P
00:32<vin`>!namaste kmap
00:32<dpkg>kmap: Your spirit and my spirit are ONE
00:32<kmap>vin`: How did that happen?
00:32<vin`>we have like 5 versions of that one now. ;-/
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00:32<kmap>!hello vin`
00:33<vin`>!greet kmap
00:33<dpkg>Welcome, kmap
00:33<hachi>is there a joystick test app on linux/debian ?
00:33<vin`>hachi: play a game?
00:33<hachi>I don't have any games
00:33<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
00:34<hachi>yeah, that's why I just want a joystick test app
00:34<hachi>and that's why I asked about one
00:34<hachi>I'd rather install a test app than a game
00:34<vin`>!tell hachi -about search
00:35<hachi>search tells me of things that are available
00:35<hachi>people can tell me of a good one
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00:35<hachi>if you don't know, you can just not answer too
00:35<dli>!tell hachi about ask
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00:39<Supaplex>oh bother. apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager | perl -ne 'next unless m/^(\w*) \d.*/;print "$1 ";';echo
00:39<Supaplex>that was fun to write to. :)
00:40<vin`>!info joystick etch
00:40<dpkg>joystick: (Testing and calibration tools), section utils, is extra. Version: 20051019-1 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
00:40<vin`>hachi: ^^
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00:40<techgeek>Hello All
00:40<techgeek>Got a tough one that I can't figure out
00:41<techgeek>I have a Dell laptop - ATI 7500c video driver - I somehow goofed and blew the driver out - and now I am having a hard time getting it reinstalled
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00:41<techgeek>I was going to try using sudo aptitude --- but from there not sure of the driver or how to get
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00:41<vin`>techgeek: running debian?
00:42<techgeek>Yes, - under Kubuntu
00:42<vin`>techgeek: try #kubuntu on freenode
00:42<Supaplex>!tell techgeek -about based on debian
00:43<techgeek>I'm using the app that came installed on this -
00:43<techgeek>I did install the ubuntu 7.10 cd
00:43<vin`>techgeek: why are you telling us that in #debian?
00:44<techgeek>Because I'm lost here - not sure the difference to be honest
00:44<techgeek>debian is????
00:44<techgeek>The desktop is kde -
00:44<dpkg>Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS!
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00:44<techgeek>or gnome - depending on my taste at the moment
00:44<Supaplex>techgeek: it's not debian
00:44<techgeek>how do I tell if it's debian?
00:44<Supaplex>techgeek: we troubled ourself to put that in the topic. we get ubuntu vagrants allll the time
00:45<Supaplex>techgeek: dpkg -l bash | grep bash
00:45<Supaplex>cat /etc/motd (don't paste it here)
00:46<dli>techgeek, if it's debian, you can cat /etc/debian_version
00:46<Supaplex>unless it's an ugly knoppix rehash
00:47<zleinter>what is knoppix
00:47<Supaplex>!tell zleinter -about knoppix
00:47<vin`>zleinter: ask #knoppix?
00:48<techgeek>Okay - i did the cat /etc/debian_version
00:48<Supaplex>and what's it say?
00:48<vin`>so, what's the rat?
00:48<techgeek>that's what came up
00:48<vin`>they lie!
00:49<dli>techgeek, it's not ubuntu for sure, I know ubuntu doesn't ship that file
00:49<vin`>techgeek: try dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
00:50<techgeek>ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
00:50<zleinter>I have a question,have you ever the experience to install debian on dell optiplex 320?
00:51<zleinter>i can not install it
00:51<Supaplex>techgeek: you have what I call, a "distro orgy"
00:51<techgeek>Okay - so?????
00:51<techgeek>I am
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00:51<techgeek>Let me ask this
00:51<techgeek>I got the Ubuntu download - i take it that is not debian?
00:52<techgeek>How - or where I should ask - do I get debian ? and is that also ubuntu?
00:52<dli>techgeek, it's not debian then
00:52<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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00:52<Supaplex>techgeek: backup your stuff, reinstall *one* distro.
00:53<dli>techgeek, yes, reinstall to debian, life is easier
00:53<techgeek>Is that also a "ubuntu" install of sorts?
00:53<techgeek>Sorry I''m NOT trying to be stupid here - just trying to understand the differences in them
00:53<Supaplex>techgeek: you've provided complelling evidence to suggest it's a mix of sid and some release of ubuntu.
00:53<dpkg>i guess debian is See
00:54<dli>techgeek, ubuntu sucks
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00:56<techgeek>If I may - why - what are the difference in Ubuntu and Debian?
00:56[~]Supaplex reviews the /lastlog . . .
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00:58<techgeek>Not trying to be an ahole here but I'm sure some would argue that ubuntu is easier
00:58<techgeek>And better
00:58<cjmrdc>and some people argued that communism works
00:58<Supaplex>techgeek: try the site for debian. debian's release cycles are proven. stable (eg, etch at present) is very well tested.
00:58<dli>techgeek, no reasoning, it's by the debian bible
00:58<techgeek>I've been a computer (windows) geek for over 20 years - taking the leap into linux - I have learned that some like - some don't like -it's a matter of taste. I'm trying to make sure I get the best flavor
00:59<techgeek>I started in dos (OLD DOS) and worked up to windows
00:59<cjmrdc>lateral move if you ask me
00:59<m>ubuntu is based on debian. Try debian then try ubuntu.
00:59<Supaplex>techgeek: so you've come accostom the the horror that is "rush windows to market" mentaility. we don't do that here :) ubuntu's release cycle is too frequent to stablize
01:00<m>question: is ubuntu based on unstable?
01:00<Supaplex>or maybe I should say 'all to aware' vs 'come accostom to'
01:00<techgeek>Actually - the only thing M.S did right htis time was take several years for the release between XP and Vista - but they should have done more heavy duty testing than they did with Vista
01:00<sangeetha>i am getting an warning message like: clock skew detected your build may be incomplete,when i build debian-installer
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01:01<dli>techgeek, why do we care about windows in #debian?
01:01<techgeek>Just making a statement
01:01<sangeetha>could anybody tell me the reason for this warning and will it cause any pblm in the debian-installer
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01:01<techgeek>Personally, I just want to start learning a linux based system -
01:01<Supaplex>sangeetha: does date -u compare to dpkg?
01:01<Supaplex>dpkg: time
01:01<dpkg>somebody said time was found on, or 2007.12.20 6:01:38, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
01:01<dli>sangeetha, should be okay, I will go ahead
01:02<techgeek>I have NO problems with trying debian
01:02<techgeek>so I'll go download
01:02<techgeek>thank you
01:02<Supaplex>!tell techgeek -about i-g
01:02<Supaplex>enjoy :)
01:02<Hideo_Kuze>okay then, when you have real questions, come back
01:02<dli>sangeetha, if anything goes wrong, just reinstall, or even just "touch" every file/folder
01:02<Supaplex>techgeek: I hear ubuntu cd's fry up faster in the microwave ;)
01:03<sangeetha>dli, the debian installer in sid is not creating gtk-miniiso folder inside dest
01:03<techgeek>One quick question - I have three boots going on my computer - XP - Vista - Ubuntu (soon to be Debian) how much of a problem will it be to make sure I can boot properly - or do I have to redo my entire drive to get debian installed
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01:04<dli>sangeetha, is there an installer for sid? never heard before
01:05<sangeetha>dli,i downloaded from svn co svn:// debian-installer
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01:05<Supaplex>techgeek: the install guide and the debian installer are both resourceful, I'm sure you can get it all to work, if you don't rush over it carelessly.
01:06<dli>techgeek, no, debian is very flexible, you don't even have to format (mkfs) the ubuntu partition
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01:06<techgeek>Thank you
01:06<techgeek>I'll go dl it now and see what happens
01:06<dli>sangeetha, you chose to use svn version :( no more complaint
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01:07<Supaplex>ezc: cool Eric is from utah to?
01:07<ezc>hi supaplex
01:08<sangeetha>dli, then from where could i download debian-installer
01:08<Supaplex>sangeetha: why not use netinst or something prebuilt?
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01:13<sangeetha>dli, but i want to change images in the debian-installer
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01:13<dli>sangeetha, what do you mean?
01:15<sangeetha>dli, i would like to edit debian-installer and replace the klowner.rle with some other image
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01:16<dli>sangeetha, you want to build your own installer?
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01:16<sangeetha>dli, i would like to edit debian-installer
01:17<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing!
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01:21<ezc>does anyone know why my cursor movement is so slow on my synaptics touchpad in etch? I move my finger from one corner to the next and the cursor only moves like one inch. I've tried to adjust settings in gsynaptic etc.
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01:25<Supaplex>but #ssur2,000 is funner
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01:25<simonrvn>baaaad Supaplex
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01:26<Supaplex>simonrvn: yea, so don't join it. you'll be sorrrryyy. >:)
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01:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 299] by debhelper
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01:31<Hideo_Kuze>Supaplex: I don't understand what that does, could you enlighten me
01:32<Supaplex>super secret special agent channel
01:32<simonrvn>should i say it? ;)
01:32<Hideo_Kuze>please do
01:32<Supaplex>dpkg: say it
01:33<simonrvn>ok, here goes
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01:33<simonrvn>auto k-line... poof, bubyez!
01:33<Hideo_Kuze>I thought so, but why?
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01:34<simonrvn>because sk1pt k1dd13z were doing bad things there
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01:34<simonrvn>(insert an r in there)
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01:35<Hideo_Kuze>so the comma 000 does not mean it joins a seperate spam bait channel right?
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01:35<kurumin>onde estou??
01:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:36<simonrvn>not because of the comma, because they'd meet there...
01:36<Hideo_Kuze>I see
01:36<simonrvn>kurumin: try this:
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01:36<dpkg>well, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."
01:37<kurumin>alguem fala portugues??
01:37<kurumin>axo q tou perdido
01:37<kurumin>perdido e bebado
01:38<kurumin>wat speakink spanish
01:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:38<kurumin>yo no quiero ayuda
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01:42<otter_>yo quiero taco bell!
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01:43<Alcap>remember me?
01:43<Alcap>I've got it working
01:44<Alcap>removed every GUI application, but I got it xD
01:44<Alcap>went back to the dark ages for a couple of minutes
01:44<Alcap>nothing but the command line
01:44<Alcap>and installed everything again
01:44<Alcap>this time, just XFCE
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01:44<Alcap>the only problem is that every app I had installed is gone
01:45<Alcap>but that's not a big problem
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01:45<Alcap>I just came here to thank you for the help
01:45<Supaplex>hopefully you didn't purge.
01:45<otter_>did ya miss any little .so's?
01:45<Alcap>(that's why I used a private message;))
01:45<Supaplex>ahh cool
01:45<Alcap>no, I didn't
01:45<knoppix_>how do u use
01:45<Alcap>I remembered that
01:45<knoppix_>like msn chat
01:45<knoppix_>oh knoppix
01:45<Supaplex>knoppix_: that's offtopic here
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01:45<Alcap>otherwise you would be reading my name on the newspapers tomorrow xD
01:45<Supaplex>!tell Guest774 -about knoppix
01:46<otter_>isn't that a toilet paper or something?
01:46<Guest774>does anyone know how to use knnpix to get on msn
01:47<Supaplex>Guest774: you've been warned already about off-topic knoppix. would you like to install debian today?
01:47<Supaplex>!tell Guest774 -about i-g
01:47<simonrvn>then do so
01:47<kingsley>Why would ssh work from box A to box B, but fail in the opposite direction with "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer"? (Verbose output available upon request.)
01:47<otter_>yeah! dd if=/ of=/dev/hda1!
01:47<Supaplex>Guest774: netinst is reliable
01:47<Supaplex>otter_: ohh ho ho! nice one :)
01:48<Supaplex>dd if=/ of=/
01:48<Supaplex>buhuhaha ;)
01:48<Hideo_Kuze>hopefully one day, dd if=/ of=/mybrain
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01:49<Hideo_Kuze>kingsley: does box A has sshd?
01:49<Supaplex>Hideo_Kuze: yesterday the slot loading dvd drive, tomorrow, the slot loading brain!
01:50<Hideo_Kuze>haha yeah
01:50[~]simonrvn pops out his side slot
01:50<Supaplex>woah dude, wrong slot!
01:50[~]simonrvn inserts DVD 4 or 65
01:50<dli>kingsley, try to update the system, and restart sshd (/etc/init.d/ssh restart)
01:50<kingsley>Hideo_Kuze: Thanks for asking. Yes, sshd is running on box A.
01:52<Supaplex>kingsley: tcptraceroute host|ip 22
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01:55<kingsley>Supaplex: tcptraceroute seems to work going in the troublesome direction, as does ping.
01:55<Supaplex>try ssh -v
01:55[~]kingsley needs to go soon...
01:55<jaymzh>Anyone else having nvidia/win 1
01:55<jaymzh>anyone else having nvidia-segfaulting-X problems?
01:55<jaymzh>I just filed a bug about it, but I'm hoping someone else has run into it. I'm on unstable...
01:55<kingsley>Supaplex: Yes, I have. But, nothing in it's output jumps out, at least to me. Would you like to check it out?
01:57<Supaplex>not really. the graymatter factory is going offline for maintenence soon.
01:58<Supaplex>jaymzh: I submitted a bug on that too.
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01:59<jaymzh>Supaplex: ah. Mine is 457150 in BTW.
01:59<jaymzh>gah, can't type tonight
01:59<Supaplex>!typosmite jaymzh
01:59[~]dpkg makes jaymzh raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
01:59<jaymzh>Supaplex: I take it you haven't found a work-around... I'm running 'nv' now, but I lose Xinerama (dual-head card) :(
01:59<Supaplex>jaymzh: ahh, yours only segfaults X. Mine causes a kernel oops.
02:00<Supaplex>yea, I reverted to nv to. only one screen though
02:00<jaymzh>Supaplex: wow... a kernel oops, that's impressive
02:00<Supaplex>it hoses /dev/console realllll good.
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02:02<jaymzh>Supaplex: what kernel?
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03:06<pmidas_>hi 2 all
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03:16<otter_>hi (?)
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03:16<Supaplex>lamers. $0.1/12
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03:20<pmidas_>iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
03:20<pmidas_>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
03:21<pmidas_>what can I do to make it work
03:21<kmap>pmidas_: What does uname -r say?
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03:22<Supaplex>did you compile it on your own?
03:23<pmidas_>this is my cernel
03:23<Supaplex>you forgot iptables support apparently
03:23<Supaplex>any reason you need that version of the kernel, and not a stock debian package?
03:27<pmidas_>no ... I just folow the instructions
03:27<pmidas_>how can I no for shure that I forgot iptables
03:28<Supaplex>it's good to learn :) otherwise you're better off with a stock kernel most of the time
03:28<pmidas_>I include TCP/IP networking
03:28<pmidas_> IP: advanced router
03:28<Supaplex>there are other reasons, but there's too many to address in a short period of time here. :)
03:28<pmidas_>IP: equal cost multipath
03:28<Supaplex>spare us the detail
03:29<kmap>pmidas_: You could search for iptables in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
03:29<Supaplex>sort+diff == friends :)
03:30<Supaplex>sort < config-works > config.good ; sort < config-broke > config.bad ; diff -u config.good config.bad | $PAGER
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03:31<satan>where can i se what drivers i have installed in my computer
03:32<pmidas_>kmap, that is on this file
03:33<gsimmons_>pmidas_: What about CONFIG_NETFILTER_* ?
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03:34<pmidas_>gsimmons_, there is no such file
03:35<pmidas_>in my box
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03:35<Supaplex>pmidas_: you didn't use kernel-package?
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03:37<pmidas_>I use
03:38<pmidas_>step by step for kompiling kernel
03:38<Supaplex>that was in 2005?!
03:38<Supaplex>!tell pmidas_ -about kp
03:39<pmidas_>apt-get install kernel-package ncurses-dev fakeroot wget bzip2
03:39<Hideo_Kuze>!tell Hideo_Kuze -about kp
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03:40<Supaplex>Hideo_Kuze: copycat :)
03:40<Supaplex>Hideo_Kuze: er, nm.
03:40<Hideo_Kuze>I wanna see what it says
03:40<Supaplex>Hideo_Kuze: just /msg dpkg kp
03:40<pmidas_>Supaplex, what is kp
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03:41<Supaplex>read the %@$*@$ing factoid
03:41<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
03:42[~]Supaplex slowly steps away from the keyboard, and heads to bed
03:42<Supaplex>pmidas_: good luck :)
03:42<Hideo_Kuze>night Supaplex
03:42<Hideo_Kuze>you mortal
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03:43<awk>hrm, hello.. can't work out this routing issue I have
03:43[~]Supaplex is offline for rotinue maintence
03:43<awk>any help would be appriciated...
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03:43<awk>I have 2 networks 10 and a 172.17
03:44<awk>172.17 uses a gateway of used to connect to a private network. is the gw of my fw/gateway machine
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03:44<awk>now, I have 2 routes setup on these boxes.. i'll pastebin the route output now.
03:44<pmidas_>good night Supaplex
03:45<awk>now, on my fw/gw box, I am trying to do both or either.. none work.. either 1:1NAT or port forward.. now I know my servers gw must match that of the fw/gw that is doing nat or port forward.. and it does in a route rule but I can't get it to work..
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03:47<awk>that is my routing table
03:47<awk>any sugestions would be gratelly apriciated.
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05:06<niru>hi all
05:07<niru>i have gnomebaker 0.6.0-8 version
05:07<Gekz>is there an easy way to make HAL automatically mount a specific USB device to /mnt/usb?
05:08<niru>Gekz, yes
05:08<Gekz>niru: point me to the docs?
05:08<niru>Gekz, edit you /etc/fstab
05:09<Gekz>that's not HAL.
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05:09<niru>u want to mount automatically, or wnt to definetely use HAL ?
05:10<Gekz>I want to use HAL to manage it
05:10<Gekz>because it wont always be there at boot time
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05:11<niru>Gekz, ok
05:11<sep>anyone know what kernel module i need to load to support a onboard watchdog ? i945 chipset
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05:12<Gekz>oh nice, ivman
05:18<pmidas_>!tell pmidas_ -about kp
05:19<Gekz>ivman is needlessly complex for what I want
05:19<Gekz>I don't want to learn its stupid xml configs.
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05:22<Flin1>I have question about suspend on Dell Inspiron 6400
05:23<Flin1>Hibernate work fine, but after resuming from suspend i have blank screen.
05:23<Flin1>Can somebody help me?
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05:27<dpkg>rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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05:28<Flin1>ok, Thank you very much!
05:29<streuner>there are plenty of entries for, sorry, but i got a laptop last week...
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05:47<Flashdown>Hi kennt jemand einen Validator für die WAI-Richtlinie (barrierefreies Webdesign - Behindertengerecht)?
05:47<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:10<lasse>ihr kleinen verwicksten kartoffeln
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06:13<ysma>hi there
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06:14<ysma>i have a problem installing the current testing cd
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06:14<ysma>the installer seems not to be able to load kernel modules ("the kernel version is different from the archive")
06:15<ysma>so it doesn't go past "detecting network cards" (can't find any driver)
06:16<ysma>is there a way to work around that?
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06:19<Tuplad>how can I find out things about my hardware ? like size of my monitor, and all the others specifics
06:20<dli>Tuplad, monitor can be found in Xorg.0.log, etc
06:20<dli>Tuplad, for others, lspci, lshw
06:21<Tuplad>command not found :(
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06:22<dli>Tuplad, apt-get install lshw
06:23<Tuplad>isn't there something visual ? cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log is complex :o and so is lspci
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06:29<berto>Tuplad: aptitude install read-edid
06:29<berto>that's for your monitor
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06:31<Tuplad>going to try it out
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06:32<Tuplad>berto: Xorg.0.log and get-edid both tell me things about my video card :\
06:33<berto>they should tell you the model and resolution of your monitor too
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06:37<Tuplad>berto: I found something, hardinfo
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07:07<themill>dpkg: wb
07:07<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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08:08<livio>hi, i m trying to get geany to work but each time i try to compile a java script it says /bin/sh: javac not found.... any solutions?
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08:12<gsimmons>livio: Sounds like you don't have a Java compiler installed. You'd need to install one.
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08:16<idemo>What blanks the console after a certain amount of time? is that build into the kernel and if so where?
08:18<stew>idemo: /msg dpkg screen blanking
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08:20<idemo>thx... I knew it was something easy.
08:20<gsimmons>idemo: For console, the defaults are stored in /etc/console-tools/config.
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08:22<livio>hi , i cant compile any java script: the erro message is can t find javac... can somebody help?
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08:39<WildOS>I am send on Rs232 from a windows controller to a controller running linux kernel 2.6.22. When I send 0x0D 0x0A (CR) it gets converted to 0x0A 0x0A on the linux side. How can I turn this off?
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08:40<WildOS>Sending, I am sending :)
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09:38<livio>hi what packages do i need to install to compile a java script?
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09:42<dli>livio, you don't compile javaScript
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10:17<jrolland-school>gsimmons: You here?
10:17<jrolland-school>!spoke gsimmons
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10:21<ServerSide>what is "kio_thumbnail"?
10:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kio is the KDE Input Output interface, the best framework to transparently access files and data across any known and unknown protocol
10:22<ServerSide>mh, it takes about 100% of my processor
10:23<petemc>all the time? or when you enter a directory with lots of images?
10:25<ServerSide>here, now
10:25<ServerSide>i was d/l torrent movies (about 30)
10:25<petemc>tut tut
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10:26<ServerSide>? :/
10:26<ServerSide>should i just kill it?
10:26<petemc>i dont use kde, consequently i know very little about it
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10:31<chealer>ServerSide: ask #debian-kde
10:31<ServerSide>i just killed and prob gone ^^
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10:42<www>Hi. Looking for a program that monitors as many daemons for common hacking attempts and emails red flags. any suggestions? thanks
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10:42<d0uglas>wrong nick there
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10:45<stew>d0uglas: apt-cache show snort
10:45<d0uglas>thanks stew
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10:47<d0uglas>stew: can i get snort to look at old log data too or is it just going to look at logs starting at the time of installation and on?
10:48<stew>d0uglas: it doesn't look at logs, it looks at network traffic
10:49<stew>its a packet sniffer
10:50<d0uglas>I see. Well i'll just read up on it but i was hoping to find some thing that keeps an eye on the common daemons looking for old buffer overflow tricks or anything obviously suspicious.
10:51<d0uglas>so this is a ddos detector sort of thing
10:52<d0uglas>sorry i'll rtfm i'm just a little paranoid, some kid got fired and is a little pissed
10:53<d0uglas>he's accessed the website obsessively since he got home until the night and again when he woke up this morning because he knows i watch the access.log and he thinks i am responsible for getting him fired
10:54<d0uglas>not enough to call it a denial of service attack but if he does anything illegal i would like to be aware of it.. i'm editing snort.conf now, i'll stop blabbering about this here
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11:02<d0uglas>stew: i see that it has a few ways to log alerts including adding lines to the syslog but i would ideally like to have it emailed. is that possible?
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11:02<d0uglas>it meaning the output of snort
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11:04<stew>d0uglas: i don't know
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11:06<d0uglas>thanks anyway stew, this will do, appreciate the help
11:06<petemc>logcheck does that kinda stuff
11:07<d0uglas>nice thanks i'll check that out too
11:08<stew>d0uglas: "This Snort installation provides a cron job that runs daily and summarises the information of Snort logs to a selected email address"
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11:13<greg>I have a problem with my installation of wifi card
11:13<greg>anyone knows where I can get linux-headers package ?
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11:22<|HellTiger|>guten tag.
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11:24<Joelito>Hello everyone
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11:59<kairos>i cant start debian on my laptop i get an error message because of the x-server i need some help
12:00<stew>kairos: what is the error?
12:01<kairos>the system cant start the x-server
12:02<kairos>i have an intel core 2 duo 2ghz and an geforce 8600m gt
12:02<stew>kairos: what is the error? something like "no screens found" or "no core pointer"?
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12:02<kairos>no screens found
12:02<stew>kairos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:05<kairos>where can i get the bus-indikator for the grafiks card
12:06<stew>kairos: leave it blank
12:06<stew>kairos: same with "amount of ram"
12:07<kairos>and kernel-framebuffer?
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12:08<dpkg>When In Doubt, Hit Enter
12:08<SUPERSLADAK>hi the version 4.0 r1 have a ti many bugs
12:08<SUPERSLADAK>uswsusps no active swap partision found
12:09<SUPERSLADAK>IPv6 is problem
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12:09<SUPERSLADAK>with a lan cards
12:09<stew>SUPERSLADAK: what is the problem with ipv6?
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12:09<SUPERSLADAK>i configured corect my internet
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12:10<SUPERSLADAK>but i can open only
12:10<SUPERSLADAK>eth2 no IPv6 routers present
12:10<SUPERSLADAK>in version r0
12:10<SUPERSLADAK>no problem with this
12:10<SUPERSLADAK>i cant understand
12:11<the-me>eh and what's now the problem with ipv6?
12:11<SUPERSLADAK>i dont know what is problem
12:11<the-me>we, too
12:11<SUPERSLADAK>i`m installed debian for 8 9 times
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12:12<the-me>linux != windows
12:12<themill>SUPERSLADAK: can you start slowly and ask one question at a time.
12:12<the-me>no need for a reinstall
12:12<SUPERSLADAK>install under default
12:12<SUPERSLADAK>reinstall how many times ?
12:12<SUPERSLADAK>for the moment is 5
12:12<the-me>no times.
12:12<SUPERSLADAK>my machine is good
12:12<SUPERSLADAK>and debian is a slow
12:13<SUPERSLADAK>(CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz, x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6, GenuineIntel - Central Processor - Load: %0 - 2127 Mhz
12:13<SUPERSLADAK>(RAM) Used: 342.88MB Free: 1.67GB Total: 2GB Used percent: 16%
12:13<SUPERSLADAK>so ?
12:13<SUPERSLADAK>its no normal
12:13<stew>kairos: if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is done, try running "startx"
12:14<SUPERSLADAK>but gnome is automaticaly load
12:14<the-me>SUPERSLADAK, you just said, that debian is slow and that ipv6 isn't working, but you didn't described anything, so how should we help you?
12:14<stew>12:10 < SUPERSLADAK> but i can open only
12:14<stew>SUPERSLADAK: what happens when you try to open something else?
12:14<stew>SUPERSLADAK: do you get an error?
12:15<SUPERSLADAK>i don't install debian for furst time
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12:15<SUPERSLADAK>but problem have know
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12:15[~]the-me gives up
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12:15<SUPERSLADAK>first i`m install debian with expert mode
12:15<stew>kairos: please keep the conversation in the channel so others can help/benefit
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>load a ppp modules
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>and configured my pppoe conection
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>with username and password
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>download updates
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>from a mirror
12:16<stew>kairos: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? you can upload it to http;//
12:16<SUPERSLADAK>and when install complited
12:16<stew>SUPERSLADAK: please don't hit enter so often
12:17<SUPERSLADAK>ok sorry
12:18<SUPERSLADAK>and when i reboot debian for the first time its all right
12:18<SUPERSLADAK>and i`m installed pppoe and pppoeconf
12:18<SUPERSLADAK>because pppoe-setup dont work
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12:19<SUPERSLADAK>and problem start here
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12:19<SUPERSLADAK>i have a 2 lan card and fireware eth0 eth1 eth2
12:19<stew>SUPERSLADAK: can you be more specific than "pppoe-setup dont work"?
12:19<kairos>i cant open any folder i think i installed the wrong version
12:19<SUPERSLADAK>yes dont work
12:19<stew>SUPERSLADAK: be more specific? did you get an error?
12:20<SUPERSLADAK>mmm yes
12:20<stew>SUPERSLADAK: what was the error?
12:20<SUPERSLADAK>dont found pppoe.conf in /etc/ppp/
12:20<stew>SUPERSLADAK: what was the exact error?
12:21<stew>kairos: installed the wrong version of what?
12:21<stew>kairos: what do you mean by "i cant open any folder"?
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12:22<SUPERSLADAK>it can't find pppoe.conf in directory /etc/ppp/
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12:22<SUPERSLADAK>i dont know why
12:22<kairos>when i enter "ls" or "cd ..." nothing start
12:22<SUPERSLADAK>only pppoeconf work
12:23<SUPERSLADAK>kairos rm -rf *
12:23<SUPERSLADAK>i`m joking
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12:23<Maulkin>SUPERSLADAK: That's not funny.
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12:23<stew>kairos: do execute the rm command
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12:23<stew>kairos: DO NOT
12:24<SpeedyG>hehe.. oops stew ;)
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12:25<kairos>can it be that i have to install the i386 and not the amd64 architecture
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12:27<kairos>i have an intel core 2 duo
12:27<chealer>kairos: no
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12:29<stew>kairos: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log exist? if so, can you upload it to ? w3m, links, lynx, elinks are text based browsers you could use to upload the file without x working
12:29<themill>!pastebin pipe
12:29<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
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12:30<themill>it used to be even easier, but spammers were using pastebins so they had to put an "API key" into the POST so you can't just pipe straight to curl or similar any more :(
12:31<kairos>i cant open the file
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12:32<kairos>ok i opend it
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12:37<kairos>how can i update the xserver
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12:41<arnoldo>iḿ noob in linux and install debian live in my pc and i cant play my movies how i can see my movies ??
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12:43<SpeedyG>arnoldo: what kind of movies ?
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12:45<linuxnobb>where can i get an very good version of debian
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12:45<stew>linuxnobb: click on "getting debian"
12:46<linuxnobb>and which architecture i have to download
12:46<linuxnobb>or which is the best
12:47<Supaplex>best? the one your cpu supports
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12:47<themill>linuxnobb: what sort of machine do you have?
12:47<Supaplex>you'll find out real quick if powerpc isn't suppose to run :P
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12:48<linuxnobb>i have a laptop with an intel core 2 duo, lots of ram and an geforce 8600M GT
12:48<themill>i386 or amd64 then
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12:49<linuxnobb>ok thanks for the moment then we talk in some minutes
12:49<Supaplex>where are the debugging symbols for konqueror?
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12:49<themill>linuxnobb: you can use the netinstall image and only download the bits you need as you go along.
12:50<Supaplex>apt-file search konqueror | grep dbg ftw :)
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12:51[~]Supaplex ponders using the squid box for transparent caching of repos
12:51<chealer>Supaplex: ask #debian-kde
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12:51<Supaplex>chealer: I found it :)
12:52[~]Supaplex pats apt-file
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12:52<chealer>linuxnobb: i386 or amd64. I'd recommend i386.
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12:53<linuxnobb>and which mirror is the best
12:53<Supaplex>a local one
12:53<Supaplex>!tell linuxnobb -about mirrors
12:53<SpeedyG>linuxnobb: the one closest to you in general
12:53<SpeedyG>chealer: why'd you recommend i386 btw? :)
12:54<kmap>Hmm.. I wonder. Does amd64 work on Intel systems?
12:54<themill>SpeedyG: for a desktop system, it's much less painful
12:54<themill>kmap: yes
12:54<Gathond>I would recommend i386 as well
12:54<Supaplex>I bet it's for non-free software ;)
12:54<SpeedyG>themill: hm ok :)
12:54<kmap>themill: Any advantage of one over the other?
12:54<chealer>SpeedyG: because of complicated installs for some non-free software.
12:54<Gathond>kmap: it does, however 64 bit has trouble with some stuff, mostly closed source only being 32 bit
12:54<themill>SpeedyG: flash, java and friends are much less painful on amd64
12:54<kmap>Gathond: But performance wise?
12:54<Gathond>and unless you have 4 GB+ of memory I don't see any really large advantage
12:55<kmap>Gathond: Ah, OK
12:55<kmap>That clears my doubt. Thanks
12:55<Gathond>kmap: well 64 bit mode gains some for haging 8 GPR more
12:55<kmap>Gathond: What was that?
12:55<Gathond>but then again all your pointers are taking up 64 bit of memory instead of 32
12:55<Gathond>kmap: registers internally in the processor
12:55<kmap>Gathond: OK! I see.
12:55<Gathond>x86 has 8 x86_64 has 16
12:56<themill>linuxnobb: there's an that you can use that would probably be good
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12:56<kmap>But why is amd there?
12:56<Gathond>so if the application can use more than 8 registers it has potential to run significantly faster in 64 bit more, if not there is nothing gained
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12:56<Gathond>kmap: they where first with x86_64 processors
12:56<SpeedyG>btw, how reliable is glxgears for basic performance?
12:56<kmap>Gathond: Thanks!
12:56<Gathond>back when intel had not announced they would ever make them
12:56<Gathond>kmap: 64 bit runs fine though, I'm using it
12:56<linuxnobb>can i find there the newest one
12:56<kmap>themill: Thanks
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12:57<Gathond>kmap: but I'm running a 32 bit installation in a chroot as well for browser plugins, skype and a few other things
12:57<themill>! em64t
12:57<dpkg>methinks em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums
12:57<Supaplex>SpeedyG: the opengl faq says (someplace), glxgears is not a reliable benchmark
12:57<kmap>Gathond: I see.
12:57<Gathond>kmap: so it is simpler to just use 32 bit for now
12:57<Gathond>as for speed, that probably varies greatly between programs
12:57<kmap>Gathond: What applications perform better for you in 64 bit?
12:57<SpeedyG>Supaplex: hm, what would you suggest for benchmarking ?
12:58<Gathond>kmap: I don't know
12:58<kmap>Gathond: :-)
12:58<Gathond>kmap: memory hungry ones for sure
12:58<Gathond>as 64 bit means you can use more than 4 GB
12:58<kmap>Gathond: Oh, OK
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12:58<Gathond>and math software I suppose, if you work with large numbers
12:58<kmap>True. And do you mean physical RAM, or virtual memory inclusive?
12:58<Gathond>as you can process larger chunks per clock
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12:59<Gathond>kmap: virtual inclusive
12:59<kmap>Ah! OK!
12:59<Gathond>kmap: that is a per process limit though
12:59<kmap>Right. Thanks for the details
12:59<Gathond>you can probably have more ram+swap in the system
12:59<Gathond>but no single process can see more than 4 GB in 32 bit mode
12:59<SpeedyG>Supaplex: or in other words, how can I check if my nvidia-card does what it's supposed to do?
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13:00<Supaplex>SpeedyG: benchmarking and troubleshooting are two different things
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13:01<kairos>i reconfigured my x-server but i get only the error message "no screen found"
13:02<stew>12:29 < stew> kairos: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log exist? if so, can you upload it to ? w3m, links, lynx, elinks are text based browsers you could use to upload the file without x working
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13:16<SpeedyG>you forgot a /
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13:17<cahoot>interesting info
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13:19<ServerSide>No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH environment variable. You must install a VM prior to running this program
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13:22[~]tont hello to all
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13:23<Puck_>Is this the right place to inquire about a Network manager error??
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13:26<cahoot>as long as it's in debian you can at least try
13:26<linuxnobb>ok i install debian i check german for the layout and so on and now the system has loaded the files from the mirror
13:26<linuxnobb>is the installation allways with an blue background and an grey window
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13:29<linuxnobb>should i install without an aktive swap partition?
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13:41<kairos>stew: ok i uploaded the Xorg.0.log
13:41<kairos>i think
13:42<kraus>i have a stupid question. if i currently have lenny/testing installed then what happens when lenny gets released and stable. does my install stay as lenny/stable or does it continue being "testing"
13:42<kairos>i hope anyone can help me
13:43<stew>kraus: depends on if your sources.list refers to "lenny" or "testing"
13:43<stew>kraus: /etc/apt/sources.list that is
13:44<kraus>ok thanks.
13:44<stew>kraus: that is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, not /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:44<stew>(though that is also helpful)
13:44<kraus>so thing is I can have either one of them? testing or lenny. nice to know
13:45<stew>kraus: yeah, if you have testing, you stay with testing, if you have lenny you stay with lenny
13:45<kraus>what if i would have etch there. would that upgrade to the next stable lenny?
13:46<Supaplex>kraus: when testing freezes, unstable stalls while critical bugfixes settle, afterwards the floodgates come wide open and testing is barely distinguishable from sid
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13:46<fxiny>very apocalyptic :P
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13:48<Supaplex>quite :)
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13:50<fxiny>Supaplex: but : where's the horseman in your vision ? is he still riding that ugly dog of sid ?
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14:09<lastpak>Hi Kokon.
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14:12<dorcarin>I have a client server with ltsp two swith and two gigabit card, but there is only a switch to the other works I do not see the server. I think that the wrong set another card.
14:12<Supaplex>the wrong set another card?
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14:15<dondelelcaro>dorcarin: two default gateways?
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14:21<dorcarin>tsp as a server with two network card configured to work with two swich.
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14:27<dondelelcaro>dorcarin: you'll have to give us the output of route -n; and ifconfig; for us to actually see what is going on there.
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14:31<j_>i've done tar xvzf myfile but do you know where it has gone?
14:31<j_>(sorry for my english)
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14:31<j_>i need to go to the diredtory now to ./configure
14:32<cahoot>try ls
14:32<j_>it doesn't guiive me the answer
14:33<j_>by default, where does it go when decomprresed?
14:33<blarson>j_: see tar tvzf myfile
14:34<blarson>that will show you what is in the tar file.
14:34<j_>i try
14:34<blarson>(I recomend doing that before unpacking.)
14:34<j_>if think i don't say what i want
14:34<j_>i had unpacked the file
14:34<j_>in which directory?
14:35<j_>i'm searching for the directory it has been unpacked
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14:35<j_>yet it is on my desktop
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14:35<j_>so i did
14:35<j_>tar zxvf
14:35<j_>i unppacked
14:35<j_>but where?
14:36<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
14:36<j_>i hope you know...
14:36<j_>no one on fr
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14:37<noflash>j_, there is on freenode
14:37<blarson>the t (rather than x) shows you the index of the tar.
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14:38<dondelelcaro>dorcarin: keep it in the channel please; I'm liable to disappear at any second.
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14:42<Supaplex>!tell dorcarin -about msg
14:46<alex>how do i install the libc development package?
14:47<alex>i am looking at this page: but i don't know what the heck everything is
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14:48<jelly-home>alex: what are you really trying to do?
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14:49<alex>i'm trying to install Nvidia 7 series drivers for my 64 bit
14:50<chealer>alex: which Debian suite do you use?
14:50<alex>i'm guessing etch.
14:50<alex>what's the command to check in console?
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14:51<chealer>!tell alex about debian version
14:51<SpeedyG>alex: cat /etc/issue
14:51<SpeedyG>or cat /etc/debian_version
14:52<alex>says 4.0
14:52<chealer>alex: you shouldn't need libc6-dev for that
14:52<george>that would be etch
14:53<alex>the nvidia installer quits with an error message telling me to install it..
14:53<george>what else does the error message say
14:53<alex>let me try again i'll post the error.
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14:54<alex>so i just type /etc/init.d/gdm stop and sh
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14:54<chealer>alex: if you don't mind, I think you should use the Debian way instead. but to answer your question, you install it like any package, with your favorite APT front-end.
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14:55<alex>bleh what's the thing i need to apt-get install? Debian Search disabled
14:55<alex>k n/m
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14:56<alex>is it this thing : libg++
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14:57<george>I thought that's what you're about to find out
14:57<chealer>alex: no. libc6-dev
14:57<apeitheo>Occasionally when I try to boot, the boot procedure simply stops after seeing usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 3 -- what could be causing this?
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14:58<george>something that happens after that?
14:59<apeitheo>george, are you responding to my question?
14:59<george>for some definition of 'respond'
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14:59<apeitheo>hmm, well after it finally did boot the one time, I saw the message and right after it was my hard drive, so I don't know
15:00<alex>argh. my sources.list file somehow got messed up
15:00<alex>is there any place to get a fresh copy?
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15:01<chealer>alex: yes. $ locate sources.list
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15:01<chealer>well, it's not really a "fresh copy"
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15:02<Supaplex>failing that,
15:02<Supaplex>!tell alex -about sources.list
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15:03<phaedrus44>what cd image do i use for my core 2 duo laptop?
15:03<chealer>phaedrus44: and CD image for the i386 or amd64 architectures
15:03<alex>yea.. i just opened it up and all it has is one line: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20070820-20:16]/ etch contrib main
15:03<george>either amd64 or plain i386
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15:04<george>(not all packages build on amd64 arch)
15:04<phaedrus44> i have to compile for smp or does it just exist?
15:04<phaedrus44>this is the system
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15:04<phaedrus44>os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical : 1009MB, 66.1% free] disk[Total : 72.44GB, 28.10% Free] video[nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400]] sound[]
15:04<george>there are smp kernels
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15:05<phaedrus44>where do i find hem?
15:05<george>wait, you mean it's already installed?
15:05<george>on seam of pants
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15:06[~]Supaplex wipes his console /clear of boring systatus messages
15:06<george>oh, not hem, them! they're in the archive under pool
15:06<chealer>phaedrus44: did you look at the website?
15:06<phaedrus44>no i installed linuxmint but i want to just go back to a straight debian install
15:06<raven>Hi there.
15:06<george>phaedrus44: oh ok
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15:06<phaedrus44>chealer...i did nothing apparent about smp ... i probably missed somthing
15:07<chealer>phaedrus44: oh, I thought you meant the CD images.
15:07<phaedrus44>yeah...i need a cd image
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15:07<phaedrus44>but want to make sure it has support for smp
15:07<chealer>phaedrus44: an appropriate should be installed by default anyway.
15:07<chealer>s/appropriate/appropriate kernel/
15:07<phaedrus44>oh...ok.... so ill just use a the i386 image?
15:07<george>phaedrus44: (actually you don't need a cd image... there are other ways to install)
15:08<phaedrus44>from the site?
15:08<_a61_>***REGISTER Help***
15:08<phaedrus44>netinstall ?
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15:08<chealer>phaedrus44: unless you prefer amd64, yes. yes.
15:08<raven>Who can help me with DBUS?
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15:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:08<chealer>raven: unless you explain how you can be helped, no one.
15:09<george>and not "a little to the left!"
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15:10<chealer>george: what?
15:10<raven>chealer: Error Message in KDE is like this: You are not allowed to connect to powersaved via dbus.
15:11<george>chealer: offered as not an example of how we can help!
15:11<phaedrus44>chealer ...would amd64 be good for this system? intel core2?
15:12<chealer>phaedrus44: yes, but some things may be more complicated to install than if you would use i386.
15:12<Supaplex>raven: so what are you doing to cause that message?
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15:12<george>phaedrus44: it would work... but the devs are having some trouble with the compiler, there are a few packages that won't compile
15:12<chealer>george: eh, I don't get it.
15:12<raven>Supaplex: just login as unprivileged user.
15:13<george>chealer: oh, sorry about that
15:13<alex>how do I install half life 2 and bioshock on debian?
15:13<phaedrus44>thank you chealer and george
15:13<alex>j/k i have a windows partition for that
15:13<george>will debian run those things?
15:13<alex>but is it possible?
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15:14<george>there's something called wine WINdows Emulator that it's possible might run it
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15:15<george>what does bioshock need in the way of video
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15:16<alex>prolly at least an 8600
15:16<Frolic>chealer, so, for a intel centrino duo, amd64 is supported?
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15:17<alex>the minimum requirements for bioshock: Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 128MB RAM (NVIDIA 6600 or better/ATI X1300 or better, excluding ATI X1550).
15:17<chealer>Frolic: for Intel Core 2. I don't know if Centrino duo can have something other than a Core 2.
15:17<Supaplex>raven: are you running some kde app/util in an xterm?
15:18<Arelis>Hi all. I just installed debian etch. My resolution is kind of screwed up. It looks really weird. Can anyone point me to a guide for configuring Debian after the basic install? My videocard is an ATI Radeon 9600, if it helps. Or can someone help me with the resolution issue? Many thanks.
15:18<raven>Supaplex: I think, not.
15:18<chealer>!drxx Arelis
15:18<dpkg>Arelis: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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15:19<Arelis>chealer, I already did that.
15:19<Frolic>chealer, Centrino duo is a inteal dual core cpu plus some other chipsets.
15:19<Arelis>chealer, maybe the horizontal/vertical sync values are wrong
15:19<chealer>Arelis: define "screwed up" or weird
15:20<Frolic>chealer, I didn't know that a core 2 duo supports a 64bits S.O... :D
15:20<Arelis>chealer, Everything looks pressed together. Also when i boot X up, i have a "scrolling" screen
15:20<chealer>Frolic: I could guess that, but not all Intel dual core CPU-s are Intel Core 2
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15:21<Frolic>chealer, so, how can I discover it? via /proc/cpuinfo a get "Genuine Intel(R) CPU t200 @ 1.83GHz". Maybe at intel site?
15:21<chealer>Arelis: I'm not sure what you mean by pressed together, or scrolling screen
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15:22<chealer>Frolic: does it really say "t200"?
15:22<Arelis>chealer, i can't post a screenshot because it will just look normal. With pressed together i mean it's barely readable, and just generally looks not alright. With a scrolling screen i mean that i have to push the cursor in a direction of the screen to get there. A bigger viewing area than the screen itself.
15:22<chealer>Arelis: ah
15:22<raven>Supaplex: I already added my self into the group messagebus. This fixed nothing. Any other suggestions?
15:23<Frolic>chealer, yeap. "Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83Gz" ipsi literis.
15:23<chealer>Arelis: what kind of monitor do you use?
15:23<Frolic>google told-me that this is a core duo:
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15:24<chealer>raven: are you in plugdev?
15:24<Arelis>chealer, Wait a moment. I'll be back in a moment, i think i may have found the right values. I'll be back in a sec.
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15:25<chealer>Frolic: yeah. these aren't Intel Core 2. I don't think it's EM64T
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15:25<alex>now i am getting "Unable to find Knernel source tree" error and then i read something about RedHat and Kernel_source and Kernel_devel what's going on
15:25<Arelis>nope.. it didn't work. It still looks pressed together
15:26<Arelis>it's not the refresh rates
15:26<chealer>alex: nvidia-installer is not supported here.
15:26<Supaplex>raven: I don't know. I haven't established exactly what the problem is or why it's causing you problems. I've asked probing questions, but I don't know what you're doing. I don't know how to attempt to reproduce the same problem here. All I know is you have that error message (but no context).
15:26<alex>what was the debian way again? haha i guess i'm a little stubborn at times
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15:27<chealer>!tell alex about ngd
15:27<Arelis>Who was the person helping me with the screen again?
15:27[~]chealer raises hand
15:27<alex>i just wanna make Google Earth work :(
15:27<Arelis>chealer, thanks chealer :)
15:28<Arelis>chealer, alright --> nope.. it didn't work. It still looks pressed together
15:28<chealer>Arelis: yeah...I was asking what kind of monitor do you use?
15:28<Frolic>chealer, so, a "core 2 duo" supports, but a "core duo" not, is it?
15:28<Arelis>chealer, a Samsung SyncMaster 940MW. It's a TFT or LCD, one of the two.
15:29<chealer>Frolic: right, AFAICS
15:29<raven>chealer: I added myself now to plugdev. Have to reboot...
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15:29<chealer>Arelis: "a TFT" is a LCD. what's the native resolution?
15:30<Arelis>chealer, 1440x900
15:30<chealer>raven: no need, just re-login
15:30<chealer>Arelis: which video card do you use?
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15:30<Arelis>chealer, ATI Radeon 9600
15:30<Arelis>chealer, fresh install of Debian. nothing configured yet
15:30<chealer>Arelis: oh, sorry. please provide your xorg.conf
15:31<maxamillion>pastebin it please
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15:31<Arelis>chealer, no prob:
15:31<maxamillion>not to be rude, i just for some reason saw in my head the next thing flying accross the screen was an xorg.conf
15:31<Arelis>maxamillion, i know what you mean :P
15:31<phaedrus44>what is the other text editor .... other than vi ?
15:32<maxamillion>phaedrus44: nano? ... emacs?
15:32<maxamillion>there are many others as well
15:32<phaedrus44>yeah thanks
15:32<Arelis>chealer, that's my xorg.conf
15:32<raven>chealer: yes. you're right. thx. If this didn't fix it, i come back ;)
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15:33<chealer>Arelis: OK. I'm not sure I'll be able to help, but please provide your X log.
15:33<Arelis>chealer, alright
15:34<phaedrus44>linux headers and gcc 4 on the first i386 cd?
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15:35<stew>phaedrus44: /msg dpkg which cd
15:35<stew>(i'd imagine so, though)
15:35<Arelis>chealer, that's my Xorg.0.log
15:35<alex>anyone in here work for Google and know if they are hiring or not?
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15:37<cahoot>they hang out on #gentoo
15:38<rost>someone else noticed that xdmcp stopped working on debian testing?
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15:42<alex> so i gotta add that line to sources.list ? stable main contrib non-free
15:42<Arelis>chealer, you still helping me?
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15:43<elektronik123>I buy new
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15:44<chealer>Arelis: yes
15:44<Christmas>stupid flooder
15:44<alex>flooders are kind of entertaining
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15:45<ubuntu>i need help! i try to install a new os of debian and my adsl modem gets 2000 packets in 5 minuets help
15:45<ubuntu>how can i stop this
15:45<chealer>Arelis: I don't know. if nobody else does, try #xorg
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15:47<Arelis>chealer, that channel's empty for some strange reason
15:47<ubuntu>i need help! i try to install a new os of debian and my adsl modem gets 2000 packets in 5 minuets help
15:47<ubuntu>how can i stop this
15:48<chealer>Arelis: you must be looking on OFTC. #xorg is on freenode.
15:48<Arelis>.... oh, the debian channel is on oftc?
15:48<chealer>Arelis: the official one is, yes
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15:53<ubuntu_>what was that guys ip address who got baned
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16:09<alex>what's the shortcut for locking computer on microsoft keyboard?
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16:11<streuner>!info vlock
16:11<Supaplex>it's not c+a+backspace
16:11<dpkg>vlock: (Virtual Console locking program), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 140 kB
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16:13<Supaplex>is there anyway to automatically have -dbg versions of packages installed when normal packages are installed? (provided they're available etc)
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16:28<chealer>Supaplex: no
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16:36<tilda140>how do I check physical memory?
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16:37<Scurz>tilda140: free
16:37<Scurz>tilda140: lshw too
16:37<Supaplex>hwinfo, dmidecode, memtest86+
16:38<Supaplex>or just play chess, and eeeehhh nm. :p
16:39<Scurz>yes, there are a lot of commands and softwares to check that ;)
16:40<Supaplex>man malloc ;)
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16:50<real0ne>i have debain on powerpc but i can't finde flash plaer plugin
16:50<real0ne>who can help me
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16:54<tilda140>wow.. hwinfo is sweet
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16:55<Supaplex>!tell real0ne -about flash
16:55<Supaplex>real0ne: I doubt adobe will even care about linux on powerpc. good luck.
16:58<tilda140>A good example of how Adobe doesn't care is their horrible Flash plugin...
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17:00<real0ne>and now
17:00<real0ne>ther ins't any way
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17:12<linux86> when i run the port test with utorrent it says that the port doesnt appear to be open, what affect will this have on my torrent downloads?
17:12<JasonS>linux86: ask #utorrent ?
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17:18<linux86>hmm yeah i know its not a debian question but i really doubt i'd get any help searching for a #utorrent channel
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17:18<linux86>im really asking because the torrent seems to download ok, despite the port issue
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17:24<Arelis>hello there. Can anybody help me? In the freenode #debian channel i've had no luck so far. Seems as if they are completely ignoring me
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17:25<Arelis>I'm having troubles with my videocard, resolutions, games, and drivers. I have an ATI Radeon 9600 and a monitor that has a resolution of 1440x900. But my display is very cropped up and i can't see the taskbar. Also games won't run, and ppracer is VERY slow
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17:36<chealer>Arelis: did you try #xorg?
17:36<Arelis>chealer, yes
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17:37<chealer>Arelis: what did they tell you?
17:37<Arelis>chealer, well i got an empty channel..
17:38<chealer>Arelis: #xorg is not empty. are you sure you asked #xorg on freenode?
17:38<alex>i'm having trouble with my George Foreman USB power grill in debian.
17:38<alex>it keeps burning my food
17:38<ifvoid>alex: that's not good
17:39<ifvoid>alex: have you checked the config file?
17:40<alex>haha just kidding
17:40<jelly-home>alex: search for the specs on the vendor's site.
17:40<alex>i was surfing and came upon this george foreman igrill
17:40<jelly-home>probably overusing the gasoline
17:40<Arelis>chealer, they're saying nothing
17:40<ifvoid>alex: I think it's a known problem
17:41<chealer>Arelis: well...wait a bit. I'm sure there are forums or mailing lists too.
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17:43<infinitycircuit>is setting up opendns on debian really as simple as adding its two nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf?
17:43<infinitycircuit>is there nothing else that has to be done?
17:44<maxamillion>infinitycircuit: that's it
17:45<maxamillion>infinitycircuit: make sure to have the entries say 'nameserver <ipaddress>' (without the quotes of course)
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17:55<aceofspades1217>heya just having a ton of problems with mysql on my server all the sudden. The damn thing keeps giving me socket errors and suing apt-get to rinstall inst working either.
17:57<aceofspades1217>keep getitng ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
17:57<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: debian doesn't use /tmp/mysql.sock it should be in /var/run
17:58<aceofspades1217>than why is it using that.
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17:58<aceofspades1217>i get that message when i type mysql
17:58<Supaplex>srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Nov 7 22:47 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
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17:59<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: root@mysql:/# which mysql
18:01<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: run "which mysql". does it reply /usr/bin/mysql?
18:01<aceofspades1217>r:~# /usr/bin/mysql
18:01<aceofspades1217>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
18:01<ezc>how come I get the following error when trying to install Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-5-686?
18:02<Supaplex>you have more than one in your path?
18:02<ezc>does apt-get us sources.list?
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18:02<Supaplex>ezc: s/kernel/linux/
18:03<aceofspades1217>i just tried apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
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18:03<aceofspades1217>for the fifth millionth time still same prob
18:03<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: strange stuff. find /usr/local/ -iname mysql\*
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18:03<ezc>supaplex: what is s/kernal/linux?
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18:04<Supaplex>ezc: use linux-headers, not kernel-headers
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18:05<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: guess what? until you *isolate* the issue, it's not going to go away. esp not with your "shotgun troubleshooting". let's work on discovering the underlying issue, *then* we can clear it up
18:05<real0ne>i want to install one C++ IDE
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18:05<Supaplex>!tell aceofspades1217 -about flood
18:05<Supaplex>!tell aceofspades1217 -about paste
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18:06<real0ne>!search C++
18:06<aceofspades1217>kk thought that was what paste was for my bad
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18:07<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: if mysql is in /usr/local, you apparently installed it from plain source before. you'll need to uninstall that before using the debian package.
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18:07<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: one line is ok :) if the irc server disconnected you, it was too many. use from now on hehe
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18:08<alex>what is xserver-xfree86 ?
18:09<alex>i'm following that funny manual at
18:09<Supaplex>alex: the older/legacy one
18:09<Supaplex>xorg > xfree
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18:09<aceofspades1217>im using directadmin
18:09<aceofspades1217>but not sure if that has anything to do with it
18:10<Supaplex>you'll have to ask the directadmin people if it has any bearing on that issue
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18:10<alex>er? it tells me that xserver-xorg is not installed on my computer
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18:11<aceofspades1217>cant i just reinstall mysql completely
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18:12<c01001>hi all
18:12<aceofspades1217>i dont really care about losing anything in my database
18:12<real0ne>u need to modify one thing
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18:12<alex>i thought xserver-xorgy gets installed onto ur computer while u'r running the installation..
18:13<alex>like i thinik i used it to chagne my screen resolution but somehow it's magically gone
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18:14<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: okay. you'll want to remove all traces of mysql, just to make sure it's all clean and dandy on reinstall.
18:14<chealer>alex: it's the package providing the XFree86 X server. XFree86 is the previous reference implementation of X.
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18:15<aceofspades1217>how do i do that
18:15<alex>yea.. i think i was using it to change my screen resolution a couple of days ago and now it's gone
18:15<alex>with xranr -s and stuff like that
18:15<aceofspades1217>apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 doesnt seem to do it
18:16<alex>o well i reinstalled
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18:18<alex>do u think that reinstalling windows xp after debian was installed caused something to be overwritten?
18:18<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: dpkg -l \*mysql\* | grep -v ^un
18:18<alex>i know it messed up my booting and didn't give me the option to boot debian yesterday
18:19<aceofspades1217>um u could u get hiren's boot disk
18:19<aceofspades1217>i killed my partition table a few times
18:19<aceofspades1217>so i know how that is
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18:20<Supaplex>we could kill it again for good measure. is it still twitching? ;)
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18:23<aceofspades1217>k so i did that what do i do to remove?
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18:23<aceofspades1217> dpkg -l \*mysql\* | grep -v ^un what?
18:23<dpkg>ii \*mysql\* | grep -v ^un what 3.5-4 aceofspades1217's private stamp collection
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18:27<alex>i get a "FATAL: modprobe nvidia not found" after typing modprobe nvidia
18:27<alex>anyone know how to fix it?
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18:27<alex>i installed nvidia-glx in step 2
18:28<alex>and that kernal module thing
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18:33<aceofspades1217>but i just dont get it
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18:33<aceofspades1217>ive uninstalled everything
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18:34<aceofspades1217>yet when i type mysql its still there
18:34<Hideo_Kuze>aceofspades1217: do "updatedb ; locate mysql"
18:34<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: run 'which mysql'
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18:35<Supaplex>if it's in your path, it'll tell you where.
18:35<Hideo_Kuze>Supaplex: :p
18:35<Supaplex>my money is on /usr/local/bin
18:35<aceofspades1217>but i dont have any packages left for mysql
18:36<Supaplex>debian doesn't install in /usr/local
18:36<Supaplex>you YOURSELF just said you uninstalled all mysql packages, but running mysql still responds
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18:36<Supaplex>now follow directions. run "which mysql"
18:38<norbert_>Supaplex, great game, works in Linux too
18:38<Supaplex>yups :)
18:38<Hideo_Kuze>what game?
18:38<Supaplex>which (1) - locate a command
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18:38<Supaplex>Hideo_Kuze: me of course
18:38<dpkg>methinks supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team
18:39<aceofspades1217>k lol
18:39<Supaplex>my first fav early addictive game
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18:40<Supaplex>spent ages and ages on it (and I'm out of practice these days). never finished all the levels
18:40<Hideo_Kuze>well what level of insanity are you on
18:40<Supaplex>norbert_: I created an early hack for the game that let you play any level, instead of only skipping any 3 at a time.
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18:40<norbert_>I wrote software in Pascal for it that would edit the save file ;-)
18:40<Supaplex>same here :)
18:40<norbert_>that was when I was a little kid, great memories
18:40<aceofspades1217>i wrote some php
18:40<Supaplex>I did mine in assembly when I didn't have pascal around
18:40<Supaplex>well, with debug alone
18:42<aceofspades1217>if <? ($php_code = 5) { echo "pff php5 sucks nice job breaking the ioncube loader"; } else { echo "yay ioncube"; }
18:42<Hideo_Kuze>aceofspades1217: get back to work
18:43<Supaplex>uhm, that's not which.
18:43<Supaplex>supaplex@riddle:~$ whatis which
18:43<Supaplex>which (1) - locate a command
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18:48<Supaplex>was that a subtle request for all week long apache benchmarks of the website? :P
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18:50<joshrulez2>could someone help me out please
18:50<Supaplex>out? yea, that either /quit or /part
18:50<Supaplex>!tell joshrulez2 -about ask
18:50<aceofspades1217>kk ill go ahead and reinstall directadmin ninstalled all of mysql
18:50<aceofspades1217>be bak in like an hour :P
18:50<aceofspades1217>let me get the coffe out
18:51<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: did you find the lingering mysql?
18:51<aceofspades1217>seems like it works now
18:51<Supaplex>and where was it?
18:51<aceofspades1217>in usr
18:51<Supaplex>in /usr/local/bin ?
18:51<aceofspades1217>no in /usr/local
18:52<Supaplex>ahh. nearly the same diff.
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18:52<aceofspades1217>yup lol
18:52<aceofspades1217>so i have a quick unrelated question
18:52<joshrulez2>after i tried to install something i keep getting this message, Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed
18:52<aceofspades1217>how is suphp
18:52<joshrulez2>│ You are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as the ▒
18:52<joshrulez2>│ version you are currently running (version 2.6.18-5-686).
18:52<joshrulez2>and it goes on
18:52<joshrulez2>so i cant finish the installation without that message appearing,
18:52<joshrulez2>and nothing seems to be happening
18:52<oddtod>hey guys was wondering some of the difficulties that setting up a VPN with debian brings and how well a windows box talks to it?
18:52<Supaplex>aceofspades1217: todays lesson is, choose 1: managed (eg, by debian) 2: source (with care)
18:53<aceofspades1217>2nd lesson stop trying to do fancy stuff
18:53<aceofspades1217>always gets me into trouble
18:53<Supaplex>the debian way is usually the right way
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18:53<joshrulez2>could anyone help>
18:53<Supaplex>joshrulez2: did you reboot after installing the update?
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18:54<joshrulez2>ok but it says The following packages will be upgraded:
18:54<joshrulez2>linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
18:54<joshrulez2>2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
18:54<joshrulez2>1 not fully installed or removed.
18:54<joshrulez2>Need to get 0B/16.3MB of archives.
18:54<joshrulez2>After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
18:54<joshrulez2>when i apt-get upgrade
18:55<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: what about it?
18:55<Supaplex>until the configure script is done, it's not fully installed or removed.
18:55<joshrulez2>there is a image not fully installed
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18:55<joshrulez2>how long does the con figure script take then
18:55<Supaplex>are you installing remotely?
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18:56<oddtod>joshrulez2: just set fire to the macine and start from scratch
18:56<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: it hasn't actually completed. You'll have to give us the full output of your apt-get upgrade run.
18:56<Supaplex>joshrulez2: and use a paste site (spare us the floods)
18:56<Supaplex>crap. power is out, i'm on ups
18:56<oddtod>uhh oh supalex
18:56<oddtod>how long till we lose you?
18:56<aceofspades1217>k i g2g might be an hour to install
18:56<dondelelcaro>oddtod: uh... if you don't have anything useful to contribute, best to keep it to yourself
18:56<aceofspades1217>oh no
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18:57<aceofspades1217>thx supaplex well miss u lol
18:57<Supaplex>oddtod: normally right then. it came back on, and my monitors are not on ups.
18:57<aceofspades1217>oh darn
18:57<Supaplex> 23:56:57 up 123 days, 17 min, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
18:57<Supaplex>:) all thanks to the ups
18:58<aceofspades1217>i have an up of a couple of hours on my pc
18:58<aceofspades1217>all thx to windoze
18:58<oddtod>haha it happens at work we had a switch go out and i moved the systems to another switch well in the rush i forgot to put the new switch on UPS so it all went down the next day during a storm it was great
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18:58<aceofspades1217>my server is the only thing that keeps me sane
18:58<oddtod>any one ever set up a VPN with debian?
18:59<ifvoid>oddtod: sure
18:59<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: uh... you have to hit Y first, you know
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18:59<ifvoid>oddtod: openvpn is nice
18:59<joel__>is compiz worth the hastle?
19:00<dondelelcaro>not in my opinino
19:00<oddtod>joel_ i ran berl beryl for like 3 months its only headaches you gain very little from it work wise
19:00<oddtod>it sure looks pretty though
19:02<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: yes... so you have to allow it to install, and then continue on.
19:02<aceofspades1217>one thing i love about unix is that installing stuff is more fun
19:02<joshrulez2>so its installing right now
19:02<aceofspades1217>instead of staring at a bar
19:02<aceofspades1217>u stare at thousands of line of fast moving cryptic text
19:03<joshrulez2>how long will it take?
19:03<aceofspades1217>bout a 40 minutes
19:03<joshrulez2>i waited a while earlier
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19:07<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname>#831285 +(350)- [X]
19:07<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname><komputes> I'm on a unix based operating system which means i get laid as many times as I have to restart my computer
19:07<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname><marky-b> same, but i run windows
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19:08<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname>imo that i must be one lucky guy cause i get laid twice daily :P
19:09<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname>good to know windows has some redeeming qualities
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19:11<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname>oh and how i install something in the backround
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19:11<aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname>sweet i got my name back
19:11|-|aceofspades1217gimmebakmyname changed nick to aceofspades1217
19:11<real0ne>i want
19:12<real0ne>C++ IDE
19:12<ifvoid>real0ne: so install one
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19:12<real0ne>give me
19:12<real0ne>help plz
19:12<real0ne>i can't install codeploc
19:12<ifvoid>come on, surely you can write a real sentence?
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19:13<real0ne>give me one plz
19:13<ifvoid>there's eclipse
19:13<ifvoid>aor kdevelop
19:13<real0ne>eclipse is for java
19:13<ifvoid>and I think there's also a gnome one
19:13<ifvoid>eclipse is also for c++
19:13<Supaplex>real0ne: the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
19:13<real0ne>d u know codeblock????????
19:13<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:15<aceofspades1217>how do i runsomething in ze backround?
19:15<aceofspades1217>isnt it dev/null or something like that?
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19:15<ifvoid>!tell real0ne about msg
19:16<ifvoid>aceofspades1217: add & at the end of the command
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19:16<ifvoid>real0ne: just install eclipse
19:16<real0ne>i have it
19:16<aceofspades1217>oh cool tx
19:17<real0ne>how can i change the language for eclipse
19:17<ifvoid>real0ne: I think it will detect it automatically
19:17<real0ne>i want to change the language
19:17<real0ne>or always english?
19:17<ifvoid>maybe you need to install eclipse-cdt
19:17<real0ne>are u coder ifvoid
19:18<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:18<real0ne>thanks a lot ifvoid
19:18<aceofspades1217>yes eclipse is pretty sweet
19:18<ifvoid>real0ne: I don't know about the language
19:18<ifvoid>but I use english anyway
19:18<azeem>real0ne: please notice that apparently you got klined from this network already, so I'd keep a low profile if I were you
19:18<Supaplex>ifvoid: real0ne just don't grasp the meaning of your nick :)
19:18<aceofspades1217>damn u
19:18<ifvoid>Supaplex: hehe
19:19<aceofspades1217>u u u u u!
19:19<ifvoid>v v v v v!
19:19<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
19:19<aceofspades1217>imo nice
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19:21<joshrulez2>config screen is still there#
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19:25<aceofspades1217>k guys im off
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19:26<aceofspades1217>well my windows pc gets restarted about ever 2 days so im getting laid more than my windoze pc is restarting :P
19:27<aceofspades1217>and thx i figured it out just not gonna install sql through da
19:27<aceofspades1217>spells trouble
19:27<Supaplex>my windows pc almost never restarts
19:27<Supaplex>then again, it's been off for the last 3 mo
19:27<aceofspades1217>cause its not built for no debian
19:28<aceofspades1217>you probobly never turned it on
19:28<aceofspades1217>thats the only way lol
19:28<aceofspades1217>my server has never gone down once
19:28<aceofspades1217>well cept when the powersupply died
19:28<aceofspades1217>but thats not linux fault
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19:30<aceofspades1217>thx supaplex and i hope u get laid more than ur pc restarts if not ur a very very lonely man
19:30<aceofspades1217><3 debian
19:31<Supaplex>oh yeah :)
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19:32<Gekz_>what's the best vnc for linux?
19:33<Gekz_>or a good vnc alternative
19:33<Gekz_>my laptop is in the other room and I need to use an app with a gui
19:33<Gekz_>and I'm too lazy to get up
19:33<ifvoid>Gekz_: just ssh there and start the app
19:33<ifvoid>no need for vnc crappyness
19:33<Gekz_>ifvoid: dude, "cannot open display"
19:33<ifvoid>ssh -X then
19:33<ifvoid>to enable X display forwarding
19:34<Gekz_>I know how
19:34<Gekz_>X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
19:35<ifvoid>sounds like a bug, that
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19:35<Gekz_>I was trying to open winecfg
19:36<Gekz_>wine, itself, is a bug
19:36<Gekz_>same thing happens with geany
19:36<Gekz_>The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'.
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19:39<idemo>alright this is buging me... why does grub have this stupid inconsistent filesystem error?
19:40<idemo>I can't even chainload lilo if it thinks the filesystem is fued... can you disable that somehow?
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19:48<joshrulez2>dondelelcaro config screen is still there
19:50<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: uh... you have to press return when it prompts you
19:50<joshrulez2>it hasnt
19:50<joshrulez2>it has <ok> at the bottom
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19:50<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: yeah, so press return
19:51<dondelelcaro>that's a "prompt"
19:51<joshrulez2>nothing happens
19:51<rosewood>hi all
19:51<dondelelcaro>if <ok> is selected, and you press return, it'll continue on.
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19:52<joshrulez2>nothing is happening
19:52<dondelelcaro>then it either isn't prompting you, you aren't pressing return into the right dialog, or something else is going on.
19:52<joshrulez2>ill give you a screen
19:55<dondelelcaro>joshrulez2: you've got the scroll bar selected. Hit tab, and then press return.
19:56<dondelelcaro>if it isn't red, (or blue) it's not selected.
19:56<joshrulez2>wow that was simple, thank :)
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20:00<joshrulez2>installation works fine now :D
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20:09<real0ne>who know CDT
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20:11<rosewood>what is MPD apache?
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20:45<alex>bleh apparently changing the xserver settings destroyed my ability to use xserver gui for a while
20:45<alex>and i had to fumble around in comand line tyring to get it back
20:45<amphi>alex: a nice rest in a text console is good for the soul
20:46<alex>why is it so hard to install 1 nividia video driver..
20:46<kmap>alex: Because it is non-free?
20:47<alex>there's no such thing as a free lunch not even open source :(
20:47<amphi>!tell alex -about nvidia-oneliner
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20:49<alex>i understand up to: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6 and then get lost at `uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'`
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20:49<alex>what's that funny looking regular expression looking thingy
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20:50<amphi>alex: I didn't look at the factoid ;)
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20:55<alex>deb stable main contrib non-free <----- does this mean i have contrib and non-free sources in my sources.lists?
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20:59<alex> i don't know what's going wrong with the installer.. it misses 2 packages for some reason
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21:07<alex>Couldn't stat source package <------ what does that mean?
21:10<amphi>alex: did you do apt-get update?
21:10<amphi>or aptitude update?
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21:13<chealer>alex: yes
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21:13<chealer>alex: do you mean "Couldn't stat source package list"?
21:14<alex>something liek that
21:14<alex>i'm getting the same error after apt-get updating..
21:15<chealer>alex: it probably means that the APT source is wrong or unreachable.
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21:16<alex>ok i'll paste my sources.list .. i started from default
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21:17<idemo>this is so retarded now I've installed lilo into the mbr and make it start grub in the bootsect and start it by default
21:17<idemo>so that if grub fucks up i can use lilo ^^
21:18<alex>bleh pastebin isn't pasting
21:18<alex>why is this so fing hard
21:19<alex> plz tell me what's wrong with my sources.list in /etc/apt
21:19<chealer>alex: because the drivers are non-free and NVIDIA isn't helping packaging at all.
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21:20<alex>then why all those recommendations that I use the DEBIAN way
21:20<alex>if it doesn't work
21:20<alex>am i just stuck then?
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21:21<chealer>alex: because nvidia-installer is worst. it's also non-free
21:21<alex>so am I not able to install my driver?
21:21<alex>i don't get it.. how do i make it work?
21:21<chealer>alex: it depends at least on your perseverance
21:22<alex>i've been working on it for 2 days at least
21:22<alex>for a simple f-ing driver
21:22<amphi>modern drivers are anything but simple
21:22<alex>i have the CD that came with. will that work?
21:23<alex>the one that came with my video card
21:23<alex>in windows i just pop the cd in, auto install. done
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21:23<chealer>amphi: I think that's generalization. many drivers *are* simple.
21:24<chealer>alex: unless it contains Linux drivers, no
21:24<amphi>chealer: I meant modern video drivers
21:24<jagerman>alex: Just like many people inserted their Sony BMG not-just-audio CD's and were "done"
21:24<amphi>it's not just stuffing the odd thing into a latch any more ;)
21:25<alex>i never was affected by root kits heh
21:25<alex>and i wouldn't know if someone malicious on the packages end put something there either so either way
21:25<jagerman>that you know of :)
21:26<chealer>amphi: well, then again, vesa, intel and nv *are* quite simple. Linux 3D drivers is another thing
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21:26<alex>what have people in here done to install their video?
21:26<alex>or they don't care since linux doesn't use graphics that much
21:26<chealer>alex: non-us doesn't exist since sarge, so "deb stable/non-US main contrib non-free" is useless
21:27<chealer>alex: what is "deb dists/stable-updates/" supposed to provide?
21:27<idemo>you either install the nvidia package or use the installer from the nvidia site.
21:27<amphi>chealer: uhuh - the intel 3d driver is also simple?
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21:27<idemo>the later need kernel header tho
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21:28<jagerman>The ATI driver might be simple one day
21:28<jagerman>if this open source thing actually becomes useful
21:28<idemo>and I don't really see whats complicated about the nvidia drivers
21:28<chealer>amphi: well, as it is in lenny, I would say yes, though I'm not doing anything fancy.
21:28<idemo>.. ya exactly what I wanted to say ati drivers suck
21:28<idemo>nvidia is ok
21:28<tark>jagerman: yeah one day
21:28<alex>it's so complicated there's a WIKI on it
21:28<alex>that's how complicated it is
21:29<idemo>there is probably a wiki on whiping your ass somewhere ^^
21:29<amphi>chealer: I see - I'm still on my old radeon 7500, but I may have an intel card soon
21:29<jagerman>!nvidia one-liner
21:29<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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21:30<alex>i don't understand that supposed one liner..
21:30<jagerman>it's not supposed, it's right there on one line.
21:30<chealer>alex: the Debian way works, at least in some cases.
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21:30<alex>like 4 lines
21:31<idemo>there is no newline in there
21:31<idemo>hence one-liner
21:31<jagerman>The one-liner is the command, from "apt-get" to "xserver-xorg"
21:31<chealer>amphi, jagerman: it's useless to suggest the one-liner if he has difficulty with the guide.
21:31<jagerman>chealer: Well, true.
21:32<alex>at step 2 in the guide, it says 2 things not installed when i try to ge tthe kernel
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21:32<alex>well step 1,
21:32<alex>the second step
21:32<chealer>amphi: I guess I was thinking about the installationg in particular. installing intel is certainly trivial compared to nvidia. configuring dual screen and stuff may be harder.
21:33<idemo>there is even a gui to make dual screen work with nvidia...
21:33<chealer>for instance, I have no idea how to plus an LCD on my laptop but getting X at my laptop's screen resolution.
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21:34<alex> apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common gives me this: 2 not fully installed or removed.
21:34<alex>how do i fix ?
21:34<chealer>alex: uh, that's all the output?
21:34<darkhawk665>apt-get -f install
21:35<alex>i pasted it earlier
21:35<darkhawk665>apt-get autoremove
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21:35<darkhawk665>will clean your repositories
21:36<alex>E: Invalid operation autoremove
21:36<chealer>darkhawk665: autoremove doesn't clean repositories.
21:36<idemo>lol it can't create the udev symlinks.. just delte it
21:36<chealer>alex: well, that shows your system is already broken. you have broken packages.
21:37<idemo>ya thats probably true tho
21:37<alex>wtf how did that happen?
21:37<darkhawk665>with autoremove you will erease package that you doesn't need anymore
21:37<chealer>alex: I'm not sure how that could happen on stable. do you know xserver-xorg-input-wacom?
21:38<chealer>alex: then I suppose you should try removing it.
21:39<tark>i'm considering reinstalling lenny due to certain bugs... considering the features available in sid, which do you think would be the best between lenny & sid ?
21:40<dondelelcaro>tark: uh... if you're even considering reinstalling, sid isn't for you
21:40<chealer>tark: if you have to ask, lenny
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21:40<tark>is sid tat unstable ?
21:40<idemo>what dondelelcaro said :)
21:40<alex> i used locate and find a whole bunch of stuff..
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21:41<dondelelcaro>tark: its degree of instability is inversely proportional to your ability to deal with any instability it has
21:41<alex>why does it seem that this is getting harder and harder and more complicated that it should be and that people want to blame nvidia when maybe something else is wrong
21:41<chealer>tark: it depends on your "that". using a lenny/sid mix will let you guess how unstable it is.
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21:42<dondelelcaro>alex: the something that is wrong is the fact that nvidia doesn't release the source code to their drivers, so we can't even begin to tell you what is wrong.
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21:42<alex>if nvidia wanted to rootkits or whatever why even buy their video cards or anything cuz they can just hard code it in
21:42<tark>dondelelcaro chealer: thanks for the advice then i'll stick on to lenny.
21:42<dondelelcaro>tark: that all said, you shouldn't need to reinstall.
21:43<chealer>alex: we don't really know what's the cause of your problem yet, but nvidia is always hard for new Debian users. I didn't say or mean to say that NVIDIA is the only thing to blame.
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21:44<chealer>alex: a rootkit in a video card wouldn't be very powerful.
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21:44<alex>wutever.. nvidia motherboard could have malicious firmwear
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21:45<alex>i've hear things about virsuse hiding in printers
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21:45<alex>wutever.. maybe i should try a different distro
21:46<alex>the "feature" namely apt-whatever turns out to be a non-feature in this particular case
21:46<chealer>alex: in theory, but we were talking about video cards. only a small part of chipsets are NVIDIA
21:46<chealer>s/chipsets/mobo chipsets/
21:47<tark>dondelelcaro i'm hesitating but i have serious bugs in the gnome menu sorting and iceweasel, i can't any more right click / properties on any element of the desktop due to a nautilus bug and lately iceweasel doesn't render some web pages correctly anymore... if you know how to fix all that i'd be glad not to reinstall
21:47<chealer>alex: in addition to the broken packages, you still have a problem in your sources, which is at least not cosmetically helpful.
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21:50<ds>having a prob getting into the forum site. is it down?
21:50<chealer>ds: it seemed that way earlier today.
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21:52<ds>might anyone know of the repository addy for a debian 2.6.2x kernel. i read a forum page last nite that had it, now i can't get back there
21:52<Gekz_>GUIScript.cpp:8418: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'
21:52<Gekz_>I get that about 1000 times when trying to compile GemRB
21:53<alex>did someone say that deb stable/non-US main contrib non-free was out of date?
21:53<dpkg>somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
21:53<chealer>alex: yes
21:54<ds>this was supposed to be a repository for testing kernels
21:54<chealer>ds: which Debian suite do you use?
21:54<alex>ok. where can i Find a default sources.list that works... the MANUAL on lists a "default" list with non-us stuff in it
21:54<ds>was that for me?
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21:55<Supaplex>!tell alex -about sources.list
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21:55<alex>heh. i'd rtfm more but it apprently doesn't work..
21:56<alex>or something else doesn't work i don't know
21:56<chealer>alex: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list should work, even though one of its commented entries is useless.
21:56<ds>if the non-us was for me, i do believe it has nothing to do with us/ non-us
21:56<Supaplex>ds: yes, !non-us was for you.
21:56<chealer>Supaplex: wasn't it for alex?
21:57<Supaplex>ds: oh wait, my bad. just nm non-us. has nothing to do with kernels :)
21:57[~]Supaplex goes his brains scrambled
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21:57<ds>the repository i read abt i believe is used by the kernel testers/ developers
21:57<Gekz_>what used to be in non-us?
21:57<Supaplex>ds: sounds experimental
21:58<Supaplex>Gekz_: crypto
21:58<natan>porra ninguem fala portugues nao ?
21:58<Gekz_>encryption was illegal in the USA? lol
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21:58<Supaplex>no, it was illegal to export it
21:58<natan>I dont Ingues fokiuuuu[
21:58<Gekz_>Supaplex: that doesn't make sense.
21:58<ds>my aim is to get a 2.6.2x kernel installed on this etch
21:58<amphi>Gekz_: it was a 'munition' ;)
21:58<Supaplex>Gekz_: US Govt considered it a "muntions"
21:58<idemo>Gekz_: that may be.. but its true
21:59<Gekz_>you can't be serious
21:59<Gekz_>the US government is freaking warped from my pov.
21:59<Supaplex>Gekz_: tell me now, does the US govt really make sense?
21:59<Gekz_>I'm just glad I don't come from the US
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21:59<amphi>Gekz_: as a Famous Person once noted, 'the state is not reason; it is force'
21:59<Gekz_>and that our new prime minister is more anti-America than any we've had before
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21:59<Gekz_>by anti-America I mean dependant
22:00<amphi>Gekz_: I believe it's illegal to _use_ strong crypto without a licence in .fr
22:00<Gekz_>our freaking stock market died because the US one died.
22:00<jred184><Gekz_> do you live in the US?
22:00<Gekz_>jred184: I already said that I didnt, read.
22:00<idemo>look at the new laws in gb.. you can go to jail if you forget/loose your encryption keys ^^
22:00<Gekz_>gaol if you're a brit :P
22:01<Gekz_>now back on topic slightly, can I use gcc3 and gcc4 at the same time on lenny?
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22:01<jred184>atleast your aren't one of those bitches that live in the US and complain about it
22:01<Gekz_>or will that require too much effort
22:01<dpkg>ot is probably Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars
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22:01<Gekz_>jred184: all I care about is the fact that if the US stock market slumps, ours crashes.
22:01<Gekz_>I'm Australian.
22:02<jred184>anyway can someone help me with an audio issue?
22:02<idemo>sry my bad
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22:02<chealer>Gekz_: yes
22:02<Gekz_>chealer: I just did apt-cache search and noticed
22:02<chealer>jred184: not unless you explain how you can be helped
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22:03[~]Supaplex calls in the shrink
22:03<chealer>ds: I don't know what you red, but it should have been something like etch-backports main
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22:04<jred184>sorry wife called me away
22:04<chealer>ds: sorry, "deb etch-backports main"
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22:04<jred184>audio works....but I can't get kismet to play the audio
22:04<ds>you need sox to play audio with kismet?
22:04<jred184>I can play /usr/src/gkismet-0.0.10/sound/alert.wav
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22:05<ds>chealer: don't think it was backports, but i will still take a look
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22:06<jred184>I meant to say that "play /usr/src/gkismet-0.0.10/sound/alert.wav" works
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22:06<luis>guys, hello,
22:06<ds>but i believe kismet tries to call "play"(?) by default to play noises
22:07<luis>does anyone can tell me where totem-xine likes it win32 codec folder to be?
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22:07<ds>whatever the default app is, i do remember it was a sox app
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22:08<ds>jred184: either install sox, or go into kismetgui.conf(?) and change the default noise playing program
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22:08<jred184>"play" is the command that it uses
22:09<ds>jred184: i thought it was something like that. i do believe that belongs to the sox suite
22:09<alex>i guess running sli in debian is way out of the question then
22:09<alex>however pointless.
22:10<alex>what do graphics programmers do then...
22:10<alex>switch to windows?
22:10<alex>MAC bsd?
22:10<ds>anyone have any experience with etch on acer aspire 5315?
22:10<alex>this debian experiment is over for me.
22:11<Supaplex>ds: I have a 4520 I'll be selling soon
22:12<ds>Supaplex: my 5315 -sound and wireless is fighting me
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22:13<ds>and the wired nic shows up as unknown device
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22:13<Supaplex>ds: lspci -nn on
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22:17<Supaplex>!pciid 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
22:17<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 14e4:4311 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
22:17<Supaplex>no hits here.
22:17<Supaplex>mine is atheros based
22:18<ds>i did the bcm-fwcutter thing, seemed to work ok but no cards show up after modprobe bcm43xx
22:18<Supaplex>did you use iwconfig? some cards are tricky
22:18<ds>module loads
22:18<dpkg>wireless is, like, The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at or try asking #wireless, or see, or ask me about <what's my wireless>
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22:19<Supaplex>!what's my wireless
22:19<dpkg>Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or, or ask about <whats my hardware>
22:19<ds>ifconfig and iwconfig show nothing... just the lo device
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22:21<ds>everyone that had gotten it to work seemed to all have been using at least a 2.6.20 kernel. thought i'd go that route once
22:22<Supaplex>you could try <kp> and borrow the config from an existing kernel.
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22:30<jello>mmmm, whipped cream...
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22:32<frolls>По-русски кто-нидь понимает?
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22:33<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
22:34<jello>i'm getting better at this language decrypting...
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22:43<Supaplex>screen -r
22:44<Supaplex>my bad. playing with terminal detection...
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22:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:54<Hiryu>does someone know of a beryl repo for testing?
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22:54<path>is that neccesary ?
22:55<path>I think compiz-fusion out there
22:55<Hiryu>ok, that works
22:55<Hiryu>I already have etch packages, I shall just have to remove those
22:55<Hiryu>(had them before I upgraded to testing)
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22:56<ds>thanks for your time Supaplex
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22:59<Hiryu>path: do you know of any compiz-fusion repos for debian?
23:00<duke>!dpkg xorg
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23:01<path>Hiryu, ./
23:01<chealer>!tell duke about msg the bot
23:02<Hiryu>path: will that work ok with testing?
23:03<Hiryu>path: nm, looks like that's forlenny
23:03<Hiryu>and they have amd64 packages
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23:04<duke>how do I get to increase the font size of xterm ?
23:04<path>Hiryu, lenny = testing
23:04<duke>xterm -fs 18 & isnt working
23:04<duke>it used to before ..
23:04<duke>(new install)
23:05<Hiryu>path: so the stable/unstable directories both contain packages for testing, stable packages are just more.. tested?
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23:05<path>duke, edit your .Xdefaults
23:06<path>Hiryu, please google first :)
23:06<Hiryu>path: hehe
23:07<duke>path : there isnt one
23:08<dpkg>google is probably a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
23:08<path>!google Xdefaults xterm
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23:09<Supaplex>!gtfw Xdefaults xterm
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23:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, googleit is #debian is not your search engine.
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23:12<duke>path : whats google ?
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23:13<Guest850>Hey all!
23:15<duke>path can you please suggest an xterm setting ?
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23:17<Guest850>I have a problem with my wireless access, I installed the correct drivers for my chipset (BCM4318) using ndiswrapper and it shows up as driver installed hardware present however when I type iwconfig it only shows up lan0 and eth0 both without wireless extensions, how do i get it to actually use the thing?
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23:21<Supaplex>Guest850: is there a driver w/o ndiswrapper for it?
23:23<Guest850>im not sure what you mean, i have the driver files and i have another usb wireless card that i have drivers for, and ndiswraper ecognises both as being present and having drivers installed just that iwconfig doesnt regognise i have a wireless extension (i read that thats what should show up)
23:23<jello> /sb clear
23:24<Supaplex>Guest850: is this one usb or pci?
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23:24<Guest850>the one im trying to use is built in, im using a laptop
23:25<Supaplex>ok. run lspci -nn and paste it to
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23:26<Guest850>ok im on a dual boot im running windows right now
23:26<Supaplex>run msinfo32 and save a .nfo report
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23:26<kingsley2>How do you identify the manufacturer and model of a hard drive that was not booted from?
23:27<Supaplex>kingsley2: hdparm
23:27<Supaplex>kingsley2: or sdparm if it's scsi based
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23:28<Guest850>wow msinfo is a really useful thing! its just saving now
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23:30<kingsley2>Supaplex: Thanks. "hdparm -I <dev>" worked.
23:30<Guest850>okay its saved where do you want it?
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23:30<Guest850>wow that sounded quite rude sorry
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23:33<Supaplex>Guest850: multitasking here. :) lemmie think 1m
23:34<Guest850>oki np it's 4:33am here i have nowhere to be! :)
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23:37<duke>anyone use anything besides xterm ?
23:37<duke>pyqonsole is nice
23:37<Supaplex>duke: konsole
23:37<duke>Supaplex : no way kde and gnome suck
23:38<duke>I hate everything abt those
23:38<duke>I use wmaker
23:38<Supaplex>duke: I'm using flwm
23:38<chealer>duke: please watch your language
23:38<kingsley2>Why would "fsck <dev>" finish way too quickly?
23:38<Supaplex>kingsley2: fsck thinks it's clean? try force (man fsck)
23:39<dli>kingsley, maybe, you want to force check? "fsck -f "
23:39<Supaplex>there's an echo in here in here in here in here
23:40<Guest850>Supaplex: 202091
23:40[~]kingsley2 realizes that "man fsck.ext3" documents "-f", but "man fsck" does not.
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23:42<kingsley2>Does anyone here happen know whether fsck.ext3 can be coaxed to perform a particularly thorough and low level analysis? If so, how?
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23:45<Supaplex>Guest850: is that from winxp, vista?
23:45<Guest850>xp pro
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23:49<Supaplex>windows is well.. being windows.
23:50<Supaplex>do you have network access from linux?
23:50<Supaplex>even wired
23:50<Guest850>at the moment i dont, i would later on in the day its a bit late to go wandering about
23:51<Guest850>i know what i can do
23:51<Supaplex>hold on a min, new idea
23:51<Guest850>i got some freeware prgram that lets me se linux partitions in windows ill just boot up linux and run lspci and save it as a text file =]
23:51<Supaplex>that'll work
23:52<Supaplex>make sure it's lspci -nn
23:52<duke>path : i just installed pyqonsole . .. woo hoo
23:54<Guest850>okay ill be back in 5 mins!
23:54<Supaplex>Guest850: k, got it. in msinfo32, open components, network, and the adapter.
23:54<Guest850>ok hang on
23:54<Supaplex>Guest850: tell me what the first PNP Device ID is. I only need the part VEN_???? and the DEV_????
23:55<Guest850>PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8139&SUBSYS_009F1025&REV_10\4&FCF0450&0&08A4
23:55<Supaplex>!pciid [10EC:8139]
23:55<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 10EC:8139 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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23:56<Supaplex>that's the wired adapter
23:56<Supaplex>realtek 8139
23:56|-|K4k [~K4k@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:56|-|path [~path@] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:57<Supaplex>maybe there's a wireless component?
23:57<Supaplex>or a second adapter in the list
23:57<Guest850>PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4318&SUBSYS_03121468&REV_02\4&FCF0450&0&10A4
23:57<Guest850>there sorry about that didnt look down
23:57<Supaplex>that's ok
23:57<Supaplex>!pciid [14E4:4318]
23:57<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 14E4:4318 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
23:57|-|stitch_x2 [~stitch_x2@] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:58<Supaplex>Guest850: the native driver for that is bcm43xx
23:58<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported.
23:58|-|russ changed nick to DesertJedi
23:59<Guest850>ive installed bcm43xx drivers before but i did some research and it said to not to use the bcm43xx drivers
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