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---Logopened Fri Dec 21 00:00:09 2007
---Daychanged Fri Dec 21 2007
00:00<Guest850>haha sorry, everywhere i lookexd
00:00<Supaplex>tbh, I think my ibook is using the same thing
00:01<Guest850>they say to install the bcmwl5.inf and bcmwi5a.inf drivers
00:01<Guest850>which ive done
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00:01<Supaplex>that's ndiswrapper
00:01<dpkg>rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
00:01<Supaplex>"If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead"
00:02<Supaplex>linux has plenty of drivers, why would we want to use windows only drivers?
00:02<Guest850>hmm okay, i tried bcm43xx ones tho and they didnt seem to work
00:02<Guest850>ill retry tho
00:02<Supaplex>well keep trying :)
00:02<Guest850>fwcutter never worked for me
00:02<Supaplex>that'd I'd like to see
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00:03<Guest850>lol ill have to retry i think, that or just stick with good old fashioned windows =]
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00:05<Supaplex>I wish I had some more time to take care of some of the underlying issues here. but with my help you've surpassed atleast half of those
00:05<Supaplex>it's a little harder when you don't have the same hardware :)
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00:05<Supaplex>despite that, i'm not ready to reboot my ibook. wayyyy too much stuff going on right now. hehe
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00:08<Supaplex>~lart install developers that name their program "setup"
00:08[~]dpkg --purges install developers that name their program "setup"
00:08<Supaplex>~lart them some more
00:08[~]dpkg frags them some more with his BFG9000
00:08<Supaplex>there we go.
00:09<Guest850>so i need bcm43xx drivers? not b43legacy or the b43 drivers?
00:09<Supaplex>yes. nay, nay
00:10<Guest850>ok =]
00:11<Gekz_>alright, i have libraries in an usual place, how do I use it like PATH?
00:11<Supaplex>I wonder if google has their blog act together. last time I tried to upload images, it barfed.
00:12<Supaplex>!custom libs
00:12<dpkg>to load custom libs not specified in /etc/, set the variable LD_PRELOAD= to the full path to the lib you want to "preload". If you want access to a whole dir of libs (for mozilla), set LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead.
00:13<Guest850>is there anyway i can take the windows drivers without finding them off the net?
00:13<Guest850>wait no
00:13<Guest850>i mean get the right drivers for fwcutter
00:13<Guest850>the site is very vague when it comes to telling me what i need to do
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00:14<Supaplex>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
00:14<dpkg>"apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "wget && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta- && rm wl_apsta-". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
00:14<rebel>bonsoir a tous
00:14<Supaplex>you could download now, assuming it's there.
00:15<Supaplex>supaplex@li:~$ HEAD
00:15<Supaplex>200 OK
00:15<Supaplex>check. :)
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00:15<Guest850>umm ok
00:16<dpkg>i guess framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
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00:17<Gekz_>how do I enable /dev/fb0
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00:18<Supaplex>Gekz_: I'm usually trying to not use fb. :)
00:18<Gekz_>so? answer mein question! :P
00:18<Gekz_>your name is ask, so i ask :P
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00:19<Guest850>ill be back in 5 mins, 10 if it doesnt work
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00:20<Supaplex>and 1440 if he calls it quits.
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00:41<Dargor>is anyone having trouble with at the moment
00:43<chealer>Dargor: yes. it seems to be down
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02:04<sangi>i am getting an error like No kernel modules were found while installing through the debian cd which i created
02:05<petteri>helou. I'm trying to compile libcurl and i'm gettin errors /bin/sh: machines: command not found and /bin/sh: expprovide: command not found. I have hard time finding which package provide those commands. Any tips where I can find them?
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02:25<N1ghtCrawler>how do i run a command att logon? I want to attatch screen automatic
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02:36<the-dude>N1ghtCrawler: put it in .bash_profile
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02:42<N1ghtCrawler>the-dude: thanks, will try that :)
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02:56<N1ghtCrawler>Whow, it works. It works good
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03:16<seanius>Hiryu: compiz-fusion is also in unstable/sid, btw
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03:53<CrlMan>good morning!!!
03:54<CrlMan>anyone can help me to find explanations about how to read /dev/kmem?
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03:56<CrlMan>anyone can help me to find explanations about how to read /dev/kmem?
03:56<Ganneff>CrlMan: do not repeat.
03:56<Ganneff>CrlMan: and use google.
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03:57<abusomorlucky>shutup ganneff
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03:57<abusomorlucky>you worse than that little shit Lucky
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03:59<sheldonh>Ganneff: what would you google for? since he asked, i haven't found a hit
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03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
03:59<failharder>Ganneff im gonna fuck your shit up, you lil irc warrior you, all the skiddies are about rick roll your abusiv lil ass
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04:00<sheldonh>killed for no reason? dang
04:00<sheldonh>it annoys me when people around me say everything happens for a reason
04:00<sheldonh>everything happens _because_ of a reason :)
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04:03[~]sheldonh doesn't get LFS other than as a learning tool
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04:03<@Ganneff>sheldonh: start with typing /dev/kmem into google
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04:09<sheldonh>Ganneff: serves me right. i tried linux accessing kmem and linux kmem howto :)
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04:12<sheldonh>lol: "It has been suggested that root kits are the largest user community for this kind of access, but there are no forward compatibility guarantees for root kit authors."
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04:16<EmleyMoor>In the gnome desktop, is there a way I can delay the running of a program at session start until after the background has loaded?
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04:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a better way to delay the running of a program at the start of a gnome session than call it from a script which incorporates a sleep?
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04:23<puppetmaster>Hi everyone
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04:23<puppetmaster>How to continue downloading a file with wget command?!
04:24<EmleyMoor>puppetmaster: If continuable, it should just plain happen
04:24<puppetmaster>ya it's continuable
04:24<puppetmaster>but what is the command
04:24<puppetmaster>wget -c or what?
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04:25<puppetmaster>that's it
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04:25<EmleyMoor>Ah, wget -c should be it
04:25<puppetmaster>Is there any something else
04:25<EmleyMoor>(don't often use wget to grab files but I have to say it's useful :-) )
04:25<puppetmaster>wget -c -a
04:26<aptituz>wget -c is enough
04:26<puppetmaster>my dear i want some program like IDM in windows?
04:26<puppetmaster>but I can't find any?
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04:26<SouthernC>anyone know why upgrading my kernel past 2.6.18 using the same config would render my network useless using my onboard nic and my realtek card ?
04:27<puppetmaster>What's the name of the program ?
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04:28<SouthernC>apparently this isnt a real upbeat channel at 4:30 am
04:29<azeem>SouthernC: are you building the kernel yourself?
04:29<SouthernC>i build all of my own
04:30<puppetmaster>anyone, I want a download program like IDM in windows?!!!!
04:30<azeem>then maybe pay more attention to what changed
04:30<SouthernC>except i cant get my network to work on any kernel above version 2.6.18
04:30<SouthernC>i changed nothing ive used the same config
04:30<azeem>puppetmaster: please do not repeat questions quickly, and do not use excessive punctuation
04:30<azeem>puppetmaster: likely nobody has an idea what "IDM in windows" is
04:30<puppetmaster>ok sorry my friend
04:30<puppetmaster>it's Internet download manager
04:30<azeem>SouthernC: kernels change
04:31<SouthernC>correct but i made sure the modules are all enabled
04:31<puppetmaster>it has an option to shutdown pc after finish and it make files into pieces
04:31<sheldonh>SouthernC: often, changes to the config between linux kernel versions require careful attention, like when driver names change, or support for hardware moves from one driver to another
04:31<SouthernC>and there even up and running when i type lspci it shows bolth network adapters but ic ant ping my router from either
04:32<SouthernC>Ive tried for shi** and giggles wenabling every module in the kernel and still wouldnt work
04:33<SouthernC>but works perfect for anything below version 2.6.18
04:33<sheldonh>use ifconfig and ethtool -i to confirm that each NIC is represented by the ethX name you expected. for sh** and giggles, try eth2 and eth3 as well
04:33<azeem>SouthernC: "enabling every module in the kernel" isn't a useful debugging strategy
04:33<puppetmaster>here is the question in other formela
04:34<sheldonh>puppetmaster: in kde, it's called kget. i'd imagine gnome has at least one equivalent thingy
04:34<sheldonh>puppetmaster: note that chunking downloads is often frowned upon by server admins
04:34<puppetmaster>i want a download program which can make files into pieces and has the option to shutdown pc after finishing download
04:34<SouthernC>it says ethtool isnt a known command
04:34<puppetmaster>I know k get
04:34<sheldonh>puppetmaster: you won't find one that shuts down the pc after finishing
04:34<puppetmaster>i want something advanced my dear
04:34<sheldonh>SouthernC: shame on you, it should be in your "must have" list. :)
04:35<puppetmaster>but I just found it
04:35<SouthernC>haha ide get iot but i cant on that pc no network lol
04:35<sheldonh>SouthernC: boot 2.6.18, install ethtool and tcpdump, and then see
04:35<puppetmaster>for you info
04:35<puppetmaster>it's name WxDfast
04:35<sheldonh>puppetmaster: for english speakers, it's weird when someone you don't know calls you "my dear" :)
04:35<puppetmaster>it's great
04:36<puppetmaster>thanks for your help
04:36<puppetmaster>ok sorry
04:36<SouthernC>yea it is haha
04:36<SouthernC>bit creepy
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04:37<detnulb>so who wants to get stoned
04:37<SouthernC>i just wanna get my network working
04:37<SouthernC>but thanks for the offer
04:37<detnulb>but you are here
04:37<detnulb>looks like your network is working fine
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04:37<SouthernC>yea this is vista ftl
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04:38<detnulb>my condolences
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04:41<SouthernC>when it boots it says configuring network devices it takes alot longer then usual
04:41<SouthernC>just to add that in
04:43<SouthernC>k sheldonh: when i try ethtool -i it says no driver information: no such device
04:43<sheldonh>SouthernC: for which device?
04:43<SouthernC>do i have to type like ethtool -i eth1 ?
04:44<sheldonh>SouthernC: i thought you'd get that i meant "ethtool -i eth0", "ethtool -i eth1" etc.
04:44<SouthernC>ahh sorry
04:44<sheldonh>SouthernC: of course. always consult the manpages of commands that strangers advise you to run :)
04:44<SouthernC>yea its 5:00 am kinda out of it sorry haha
04:44<SouthernC>for eth1
04:44<sheldonh>the problem will probably go away if you sleep ;)
04:45<SouthernC>no ive had this problem for 2 months i just came back to it cause im bored
04:45<SouthernC>it says driver : 8139too
04:45<detnulb>is that sblive
04:45<SouthernC>Version : 0.9.28
04:45<SouthernC>god no
04:45<SouthernC>etc etc
04:45<detnulb>oh wait
04:45<detnulb>i think mine is the same
04:45<SouthernC>so it has a driver
04:45<detnulb>cause i seen that before
04:46<SouthernC>just no network connectivity
04:46<SouthernC>its got the correct ip assigned to it in ifconfig
04:46<sheldonh>SouthernC: and ifconfig eth1 confirms that the nic has been assigned an ip address?
04:46<SouthernC>so im lost
04:46<sheldonh>does "ethtool eth1" report link?
04:47<SouthernC>link detected yes
04:47<SouthernC>supported ports TP MII whatever that means
04:48<SouthernC>and everything else under that looks fine
04:48<SouthernC>auto everything
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04:48<sheldonh>SouthernC: use either netstat -rn to discover what your default gateway is
04:49<SouthernC>well i know its
04:49<SouthernC>it says destination
04:50<SouthernC>but the gateway is correct
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04:52<SouthernC>if i go into connection settings everything is what its supposed to be
04:53<Gekz>can someone tell me how to get a fb0 node in /dev?
04:54<dondelelcaro>Gekz: if you have the fb modules loaded, it'll be there.
04:54<dondelelcaro>(assuming you're using udev, of course)
04:54<Gekz>dondelelcaro: which modules are the fb modules though
04:54<Gekz>I'm using i810, and modprobing i810fb doesnt create the node
04:58<sheldonh>SouthernC: your default gateway is the one for network
04:58<Gekz>why does shift backspace kill X!
04:59<Gekz>isn't the shortcut ctrl shift bksp
04:59<SouthernC>two shortcuts...
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05:00<txmike>anyone use Evolution here?
05:00<SouthernC>sheldonh: it says state is active in network manager Netmask is Multicast disabled and doesnt show a link speed
05:00<sheldonh>SouthernC: what is the gateway for network, reported by netstat -rn
05:01<Gekz>SouthernC: where do I change that shortcut
05:01<SouthernC>i dunno i dont use X i use gnome
05:02<SouthernC>well it is X but
05:02<SouthernC>sheldon Under destination for it says the gateway is
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05:05<SouthernC>i cant connect to my router from it at all or even ping it so something has to be screwed up
05:06<SouthernC>i dont get why upgrading the kernel would have anything to do with it except the driver but it says the driver is fine unless its corrupted but then it would be corrupted for everyone not just me
05:06<SouthernC>this is like my 5th attempt at this
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05:10<george>what is "my router"
05:10<detnulb>why not plug your computer directly to your modem
05:10<george>is it a debian linux box?
05:10<detnulb>and see if it works then
05:10<george>somehow he's getting out now... if it's thru that modem, it's already ruled out as the problem
05:11<SouthernC>i have more then 1 pc
05:11<george>"5th attempt at this" at what EXACTLY?
05:12<SouthernC>getting my damn network to work on debian with a kernel version higher then 2.6.18
05:13<george>what is your router?
05:13<george>is it a debian linux box?
05:13<SouthernC>got nothing to do with it it works fine with my other kernels
05:13<SouthernC>and yes
05:13<george>ok, I'm out of this... restricting info is enough for me to cancel out of this conversation
05:13<george>good luck to you
05:14<SouthernC>i restricted info ?
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05:14<SouthernC>what more can i tell you
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05:27<Glanzmann>Hello; I would like to add the following APT Archive to my /etc/apt/sources.list
05:27<Glanzmann>I tried the following deb ./
05:27<Glanzmann>Which did not work. Can someone tell what I did wrong?
05:28<Glanzmann>W: Couldn't stat source package list ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.opensuse.org_repositories_server:_ha-clustering_Debian%5fEtch_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
05:28<@Ganneff>opensuse != debian. try opensuse support.
05:28<Glanzmann>Come on.
05:28<Glanzmann>That is a Debian repository with a packages file in it.
05:28<Glanzmann>So don't give me your smart ass answer and help me.
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05:29<Glanzmann>What I could always do is copy the files into a directoy to my webserver
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05:39<wotamuckinfuddle>hi all, im trying to get into the chat, im getting An external application must be launched to handle ymsgr:links. requested link: ymsgr:chat? Application: purple-url-handler "%s" when i click on launch application nothing happens. any ideas anyone?
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05:47<spectra>hola a todo el mundo!!
05:47<TBBle>Does anyone know how I'd go about hotswapping a drive bay in an Apple XServe rev2 running Etch?
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05:51<EOF>where does the OpenGL related modules come from, from Xorg related packages, from additional packages, or from the driver packages?
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06:03<cole>does anyone know what purple-url-handler is?
06:03<BBoyDanny>never heard of it :O
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06:05<cole>ok thanx
06:06<cole>does anyone know how to ignore/block people in here?
06:06<detnulb>type /ignore nickname
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06:07<cole>ohh kool, thanx detnulb
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06:14<pmidas>!tell pmidas kp
06:15<pmidas>!tell kp pmidas
06:15<Gekz>how can I disable shift-backspace from killing X
06:15<pmidas>!tell kp - pmidas
06:15<pmidas>!tell kp
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06:16<gsimmons>!tell Gekz -about dontzap
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06:16<Gekz>does that disable alt-ctrl-bksp too?
06:16<pmidas>!tell pmidas -about kp
06:18<Gekz>oh and gsimmons, it didnt work
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06:19<gsimmons>Gekz: Setting this option to a true value disables use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace sequence to terminate your Xorg server (see xorg.conf man page). I've no idea about Shift+Backspace.
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06:21<Gekz>turns out it's a bug
06:21<Gekz>it's been known sinse 2006
06:22<Gekz>dont worry
06:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
06:23<Gekz>yes, I realise that, and I don't usually do it, but I wasn't thinking straight at this period of time, and I apologize.
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06:45<willthechill>hello all, I've just attempted to upgrade my truetype fonts and now X won't start with the error "could not open default font 'fixed'". I am using lynx to try and figure this out, and have tried re-installing the xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi packages. I'm stuck in command-line only and any help would be greatly appreciated.
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06:49<alephnull>willthechill: It's in xfonts-base. grep fixed /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias
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06:57<kn0x>it seems there is a problem with testing and the gnome dependencies
06:58<kn0x>gnome-core depends on gnome-session in a version that is not available
06:58<kn0x>i have fux0red my workstation :-)
06:58<kn0x>somebody has a hint for me?
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07:02<Maulkin>Don't run testing?
07:02<Maulkin>More usefully though, can y ou putput the exact error messages you're getting?
07:03<Maulkin>And pastebin your sources.list too
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07:05<kn0x>maulkin: the problem is that i am on text mode now ;-)
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07:05<kn0x>well, i will give it a try, bbl
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07:11<krisje8>Hi all, I've got a problem. Since a couple of days lilo has a new entry: linoxold. the normal entry linux which I always used fails to boot properly, but the linuxold boots perfectly.
07:11<krisje8>the problem is that when it tries to start kdm it returns to the commandline
07:11<krisje8>and when I log in at the commandline adn type startx
07:12<krisje8>it says it can't find module nvidia
07:12<krisje8>(so how come the old linux can find it??)
07:12<krisje8>how do I fix this?
07:13<buffoon_work>krisje8, modules have to be rebuilt for every kernel
07:13<buffoon_work>recompile the module and X will start
07:13<krisje8>and the second problem: when I try to update it holds back a couple of packages, I need to dist-upgrade to get them but it wants me to remove my compiz (which I've got finally working after a lot of effort)
07:13<krisje8>@buffoon, ok thanks, but how do I do that :p?
07:15<buffoon_work>!tell krisje8 -about nvidia one-liner
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07:17<krisje8>ok thanks, do I need to stop x first when I do this?
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07:18<buffoon_work>boot the new kernel
07:18<buffoon_work>and then do this
07:19<krisje8>ok thank you, wish me luck :-) (oh and could you help me with my other problem too? I'll be back in a minute, after fixing nvidia)
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07:30<krisje8>I'm back, and it didn't work :(.
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07:30<krisje8>the sed part of the oneliner give only 686, and it should give 22-3-686
07:30<krisje8>but that'snot the biggest problem
07:31<krisje8>I searched in apt-chache for the nvidia-kernel
07:31<krisje8>but it doesn't have the verison I need
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07:32<krisje8>the newest one it has is the one for my old kernel
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07:32<krisje8>and it doesn't have one for my new kernel
07:32<krisje8>so, what do I do now...?
07:32<petemc>000] "GET /account.php?u=80 HTTP/1.0" 200 3344 "-" "Mozil
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07:33<buffoon_work>krisje8, try only "m-a a-i nvidia"
07:33<krisje8>ok, i'll reboot again :p
07:33<buffoon_work>nvidia-kernel is the package that is generated by module-assistant
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07:34<sep>buffoon_work, correct
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07:41<krisje8>@buffoon, thank you! it worked :-) I'm now on the new kernel
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07:41<krisje8>user Lady is a spammer
07:42[~]amphi praises the autokiller
07:42<ntbnnt>user Kore is too
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07:42<krisje8>Ok, now my second problem:
07:43<krisje8>when I try to upgrade
07:43<krisje8>it holds back 17 packages
07:43<krisje8>I need to dist-upgrade to get then
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07:43<krisje8>but it wants to remove my compiz
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07:44<krisje8>I'll tell my problem later, when all the spambots get away
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07:44<ServerSide>rofl pwnt
07:44<tolecnal>spam spam spam
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07:45<amphi>krisje8: probably because they need to install/remove another package
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07:45<krisje8>shall I pastebin the output?
07:45<Myon>ServerSide: yes please?
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07:46<detnulb>its a spam tsunami
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07:46<tolecnal>detnulb: indeed it is
07:46<ServerSide>Myon ?
07:46<Gekz_>his proxy is getting autokilled
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07:46<Gekz_>I call that pwned
07:47<Myon>ServerSide: making funny comments during a bot attack can easily backfire
07:47<ServerSide>oh you think i'm a spammer or? lmao
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07:48<ntbnnt>oh noes
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07:48<Gekz_>Myon: that was pure evil what you just did.
07:48<Myon>Gekz_: eod
07:48<ServerSide>i feel abused, can i know what did I wrong please?
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07:49<Gekz_>Hmm? eod? haven't seen that abbreviation before
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07:49<krisje8>here is the output of dist-upgrade:
07:49<amphi>ServerSide: feeling abused is character-building ;)
07:50<Gekz_>maybe naut
07:50<amphi>krisje8: what's the problem?
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07:50<krisje8>it wants to remove compiz
07:50<krisje8>But i want to keep it :p I just got it working a few days ago :p
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07:51<ServerSide>i just wanted to know what i did wrong, can't i?
07:51<stew>ServerSide: please just keep it on-topic
07:51<amphi>krisje8: ah, yes - those are from the repository of shame?
07:52<ServerSide>okay.. :/
07:52<amphi>krisje8: you can always reinstall them afterwards, if they will
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07:52<seanius>krisje8: what version of compiz do you have installed?
07:52<cyrax>Hello all. My sys specs: P4 2.4GHz, 512MB RAM, GeForce 5200Fx. I am running Debian 4R1 stable. I am not using nvidia drivers. I noticed that my system is extremely slow and sluggish. Does anyone know how I can find out what's causing the slowdowns? I already disabled the services that I don't need.
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07:52<krisje8>no idea :p ccsm is 0.6.0
07:52<amphi>seanius: it'll be 0.6.0
07:53<seanius>krisje8: dpkg -l compiz | cat
07:53<amphi>krisje8: compiz --version would tell you
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07:53<seanius>amphi: i'm mostly interested in the packaging version, i.e. where the pacakges came from
07:53<petemc>seanius: why pipe to cat?
07:53<amphi>seanius: shame's repo by the look of it
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07:53<stew>petemc: so that it doesn't try to fit itself in the terminal
07:53<krisje8>compiz 0.6.2
07:54<seanius>petemc: cause that way dpkg doesn't truncate output to fit in 80 cols
07:54<krisje8>and the dpkg thing is a bit too big i think, i'll pastebin it
07:54<krisje8>(it says shame somewhere)
07:54<amphi>seanius: nice; a shortcut for COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l
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07:54<seanius>amphi: exactly. and you never know when you have to deal with a *really* long version string :)
07:55<seanius>krisje8: ah, well if you can't keep the shame version installed on your system due to conflicts, you can always install the compiz-fusion packagse from unstable
07:55<amphi>krisje8: 0.6.2 is 0.6.0 with a some bugfixes, no major changes
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07:56<amphi>krisje8: or, failing that, build it yourself from the release source
07:56<krisje8>Ok, i'll try that. But which applications do I need to reinstall ? 'cause I followed about 5 tutorials to finally get it working
07:57<krisje8>from source :| I don't even know which packages I need for compiz-fusion
07:57<amphi>krisje8: ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode
07:57<seanius>krisje8: apt-get install compiz compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported ccsm
07:58<seanius>maybe throw in a compiz-gnome or compiz-kde depending on which system
07:58<krisje8>I'll try to dist-upgrade now, and reinstall with unstable repo
07:58<amphi>krisje8: you only need compiz-kde if you want kde-window-decorator and perhaps some kde config stuff
07:59<seanius>i just got compiz+kde working in unstable in the last upload... you should give it a try :)
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07:59<krisje8>i use emerald too
07:59<krisje8>and all those 3d effects
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07:59<amphi>seanius: cool - do you also package the pager that understands compiz's viewports?
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08:00<amphi>seanius: are you packaging 0.6.0/2, or git master?
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08:01<krisje8>(pressed the wrong button in ksirc :p) I'm dist-upgrading now (and removing compiz :( )
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08:03<seanius>there's no emerald in unstable yet afaik, but it works just fine with the kde-window-decorator
08:04<krisje8>no emerald :| ? So I have to choose a different theme?
08:04<seanius>amphi: compiz is the latest on the 0.6 branch (it's 0.6.2+a few fixes iirc)
08:05<seanius>the plugins and other tools are either from the .6 branch or the master branch
08:05<krisje8>maybe I'll just wait for shame to update his packages so I can install them again? or does that usually take a long time?
08:05<seanius>krisje8: if you run "compiz" it should detect that you no longer have emerald and have kde-window-decorator instead
08:05<seanius>*i think* :)
08:06<krisje8>hmm, I ran dist-upgrade and it removed those compiz packages but it still runs...
08:06<seanius>the previously ugly nasty compiz wrapepr script has been replaced by a less nasty compiz-manager script from -fusion
08:06<krisje8>dpkg -l compiz | cat has the same result
08:06<dpkg>ii compiz | cat has the same result 3.5-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
08:07<amphi>seanius: fusion-icon is quite worth having IMHO
08:07<krisje8>it's the only thing that can get my compiz working
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08:07<krisje8>with compiz --replace and all that I have no frames around windows (no buttons to close and minimise and all..)
08:08<Gekz_>is there a way I can force install a package
08:08<amphi>I find f-i is handy to hang my X session on - compiz is too prone to dumping me back to a text VT ;
08:08<Gekz_>for example, sid's libnss-1d over lenny's libnss-0d?
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08:08<stew>Gekz_: aptitude install libnss-1d
08:08<krisje8>I'll restart my X to see if i still have compiz
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08:08<seanius>amphi: i don't see an official release of that on -fusion's gitweb
08:08<Gekz_>stew: it says it conflicts
08:09<stew>Gekz_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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08:09<amphi>seanius: you won't ever, I don't think, but it works well
08:09<Gekz_>libnss3-1d conflicts with libnss3-0d (<< 3.12.0~1.9b1)
08:09<seanius>which git source do you use?
08:09<Gekz_>I'm using dpkg -i to install the deb
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08:09<amphi>seanius: it's handy to have a little panel widget for switching wm's and decorators IMHO
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08:10<seanius>amphi: yes, i figured that much... but what git source did you use, or did you use someone else's package?
08:10<krisje8>I;m back and compiz-fusion still works but no emerald...
08:11<stew>Gekz_: aptitude remove libnss3-0d ; dpkg -i libnss3-1d*
08:11<Gekz_>I tried that
08:11<amphi>seanius: look for fusion-icon on
08:11<Gekz_>openoffice must be removed in that case >_>
08:11<stew>Gekz_: yes
08:11<seanius>amphi: yeah there's a couple different repos for it
08:12<seanius>which is why i'm asking ...
08:12<stew>Gekz_: and iceweasel
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08:12<pmidas__>!tell pmidas -about kp
08:12<seanius>oh, the other is compiz-icon
08:12<pmidas__>!tell pmidas__ -about kp
08:12<amphi>seanius: git:// is what I have in .git/config
08:13<seanius>cool, i'll give it a whirl later
08:16<krisje8>hmm, when I search apt-cache for emerald it does find it, but I can't install it.. I guess that's the one from shames repo which I had to remove...
08:16<krisje8>So how do debian lenny users get emerald?
08:18<seanius>krisje8: probably, yes
08:19<amphi>seanius: you're not packaging emerald?
08:19<seanius>amphi: haven't got around to it, no
08:20<seanius>finally shook the last of the bugs out of -fusion in unstable earlier this week
08:20<seanius>or, let's be realistic... the last of the major/reported bugs
08:20<amphi>which ones?
08:21<amphi>ones fixed in git master?
08:21<seanius>no, mostly packaging bugs
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08:22<seanius>i.e. the old compiz wrapper from who-knows-when always loading the gconf plugin and not the ccp plugin
08:23<seanius>now there's just a few missing plugins and a couple things that need to be changed for backporting to etch afaik
08:24<amphi>seanius: are you going to backport pygtk for ccsm? shame's repo lacks ccsm because etch's pygtk is too old
08:26<seanius>amphi: *I'm* probably not going to backport anything, just make it possible
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08:26<amphi>oh, ok
08:27<seanius>but emilio s. *is*, i think... but i don't know what he plans to do about that
08:27<amphi>seanius: I don't know if you noticed, but [splash] leaks memory badly, it's perhaps better to have it disabled by default
08:28<amphi>wallpaper is another offender, I don't know if that's in any of your packages
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08:33<seanius>amphi: i don't think i have it enabled, but i know at least one of the packaged plugins leaks memory like crazy
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08:34<amphi>shift-switcher is another IIRC
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08:41<krisje8>a lot of users at once...
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08:44<JasonS>opers are busy this holiday season
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08:47<jred184_>connection died
08:47<jred184_>can someone help me with installing the ipw3945 from source?
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08:48<gsimmons>jred184_: From source? There are ipw3945-related packages available in Debian.
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08:49<jred184_>i wanted to make some tweaks
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08:52<jred184_>I've done that part, but I can't get the daemon to start when the module is loaded
08:52<jred184_>i have to start it manually
08:52<jred184_>sorry, I should have been explained my problem a little more
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08:56<JonkoPa>Hello. My homeserver crashed. And I want to trace the causes. I check with last, and it indeed said crash. But what now?
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08:58<Maulkin>JonkoPa: we need the exact error messgae.
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08:58<JonkoPa>Maulkin, I'm looking for that to
08:58<JonkoPa>which log in /var/log?
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08:59<JonkoPa>Let me refrase the question;
08:59<JonkoPa>How do I diagnose my debian server crash?
08:59<Maulkin>Well, how do you know it's crahsed, and what do you mean by crash?
08:59<azeem>/var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog
09:00<JonkoPa>Maulkin, pfff never mind me talking to you.
09:00<JonkoPa>azeem, ok
09:00<Maulkin>Crash really isn't a descriptive word :)
09:00<JasonS>sort of up there with doesn't work
09:00<Maulkin>Or, indeed, broken
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09:37<EmleyMoor>I sometimes find my X session is stuck in "screen blank" - the rest of the system is fine but I cannot get back to my session and have to C-A-BS to get anywhere. How do I tell why this is happening?
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09:44<xy>Wo schalte ich einen TCP-Port frei? habe ein Modem
09:44<weasel>get a clue?
09:44<Maulkin>EmleyMoor: sounds obvious... but you don't have xscreensaver kicking in do you? :)
09:45<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:45<EmleyMoor>Maulkin: I have a screensaver/locker kicking in - and most of the time it is fine. It is just that occasionally it is impossible to make the window in which you type the password to unlock appear
09:46<Maulkin>EmleyMoor: right, that's a bit more specific. Can you kill it from a terminal?
09:46<EmleyMoor>Ummm... next time it happens, I will try that
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09:57<cyrax>is it just my install or doesn't "version.h" exist when installing using linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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09:59<coleto>hi. anybody?
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09:59<JasonS>yes coleto ?
09:59<coleto>hi jason
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10:00<cyrax>wow! This is turning out to be quite a mess of an install.
10:00<coleto>i was wondering if anybody here could help me install flash player
10:00<dpkg>rumour has it, flash is Also ask about <nspluginwrapper> if you're using a x86_64 browser. For an FOSS alternative, ask about <gnash>.
10:01<cyrax>coleto, try gnash
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10:01<coleto>i'm using etch in a x84_64
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10:02<cyrax>coleto, what browser do you use?
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10:03<cyrax>visit any of the flash enabled websites and I am sure firefox will suggest you to install the flash plugin
10:03<cyrax>that would be the simplest. I would still suggest trying gnash out once.
10:04<coleto>i've tried several ways of installing, that i've found online, but no success
10:05<coleto>i'll read the wiki and try gnash now
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10:07<themill>coleto: the package flashplayer-mozilla from will work quite nicely for you. /msg dpkg dmme
10:09<cyrax>coming back to my question. the package I am trying to compile complains that "version.h" does not exist. I had installed linux-headers package already. Anyone has any clues?
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10:35<OvrLrd-Q>so what's the new output at the bottom of aptitude mean exactly? Didn't really see anything in the changelog
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10:36<OvrLrd-Q>(unstable btw)
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10:41<petteri>hello. I'm using kdm as my login manager. On what file should I set my sciprts that i want to start when loggin in. I tried ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession, but no luck
10:41<K4k-laptop>Can someone help me figure out why my mozilla flash plugin isn't working
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10:42<themill>petteri: Are you also using KDE?
10:42<K4k-laptop>I installed the non-free adobe flash, but iceweasel doesn't see it
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10:42<themill>K4k-laptop: etch? and are you using the package from debian etch?
10:42<petteri>themill: no i'm not. I'm using awesome
10:43<K4k-laptop>nvm, I found the problem, it's an issue with the new adobe stuff
10:43<K4k-laptop>their package is broken apparently
10:43<K4k-laptop>I didn't research enough before asking >.<
10:43<themill>K4k-laptop: /msg dpkg adobe flash
10:44<K4k-laptop>yea...that too, still trying to get used to that being there
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10:56<usta>hi everyone
10:56<usta>can anyone help me ?
10:56<usta>when i installing Qmail it looking error msg
10:56<usta> make: *** No rule to make target `str_cpyb.c', needed by `str_cpyb.o'. Stop.
10:57<themill>usta: are you using the qmail-src package from debian?
10:58<usta>yes the-dude
10:58<usta>yes themill
10:58<usta>debian 4.0
10:59<usta>can anyone help me ? thanks..
11:00<usta>themill cat /proc/version
11:00<usta>Linux version 2.6.20-15-server (root@palmer) (gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)) #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:41:34 UTC 2007
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11:01<themill>usta: that's not a debian kernel
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11:01<usta>themill: i am installing Qmail from qmailrocks
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11:02<Supaplex>usta: read the topic carefully
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11:03<themill>usta: hang on.... you're running ubuntu and not debian and you're using src from qmailrocks not from the debian qmail-src package (which is what I asked you earlier).
11:03<themill>usta: Please ask either on #ubuntu or ask the qmailrocks people.
11:03<usta>themill: thanks a lot
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11:04<EOF>somebody likes this network very much
11:04<themill>!ops lots of bots are joining
11:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: lots of bots are joining
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11:05|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by stew
11:05|-|TATAR kicked [#debian] stew [you should know better]
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11:05|-|KAFKAS kicked [#debian] stew [you should know better]
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11:06<EOF>YILMAZ is another one
11:06<@stew>YILMAZ: ping?
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11:06<EOF>hotmail spam
11:06<Maulkin>Thanks by teh way, but we're aware of them :)
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11:06<@stew>Maulkin: should i not bother removing them?
11:06<EOF>ok, ok :)
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11:07<themill>Maulkin: I figured you must be... there was just a rather sudden flood of them.
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11:07<themill>I guess it would be a bit rude to put a ban on ~ayna@* ...:)
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11:08<EOF>obviously a turkish fan
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11:08<JanC>is there some attack on OFTC or #debian or something?
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11:10<Maulkin>stew: Nah, we're doing it at a network level. Ta though
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11:11<Maulkin>JanC: Just a rogue botnet. They're joining #debian and #other-channels-which-I-can't-tell-you :)
11:11<stew>how mysterious
11:11<Maulkin>Well, I could, but you'd get klined if you try and join them :)
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11:11<themill>stew, Maulkin: thanks. Seems the spambot channels are doing well :)
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11:12<Supaplex>supaplex@li:~$ whatis matrixdecode
11:12<Supaplex>matrixdecode (8) - decode real-time from the matrix
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11:13<dererk[work]>rotfl @ spambots
11:13<JanC>Bora & CRAZYBOY|away| spammed me too...
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11:13<amphi>!ops MadBoy spamming in PM
11:13<Maulkin>My screen is flashing red with the auto kline notices :)
11:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi complains about: MadBoy spamming in PM
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11:14<dererk[work]>which was the fanniest was the "watch me naked on my live web cam at >>" hahahahahahahah
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11:14<dererk[work]>If someone clicks there, he/she desires to die :)
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11:15<stew>dererk[work]: yeah, so thanks for putting it in the public channel
11:15<Myon>dererk[work]: don't paste/forward spam please
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11:15<dererk[work]>oh, sorry, I just find it funny :-(
11:17[~]EOF wonders what the network dudes do, if all the bots do what they say and mail
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11:21<Myon>we'll kline the mail addresses :)
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11:22<Maulkin>If you're getting annoyed by the messgaes: /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
11:22<Maulkin>(I think)
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11:48<Lover_forever>im trying to dual boot debian and xp
11:48<Lover_forever>i have 2 partition primary one has xp one has debian
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11:48<Lover_forever>since i will install grub on the MBR
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11:49<Lover_forever>should i set the boot flag of each partition on or off
11:49<Gathond>you should only ever set a boot flag on one partition
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11:50<Lover_forever>which one
11:50<Gathond>but grub might be able to cope with none and just letting the MBR take care of it
11:50<Lover_forever>debian or xp
11:50<Lover_forever>if i do set debian boot flag as true
11:50<Gathond>otherwise I would say the debian one, and then use chainloader in grub to boot XP
11:50<Lover_forever>would that affect grub
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11:51<themill>!dual boot guide
11:51<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine.
11:51<Gathond>but I'm not sure it actually matters with grub
11:51<faa>how do i install a package that i have downoadd to my home folder
11:51<themill>Lover_forever: read dpkg's last line ^^
11:52<Lover_forever>thank you guys
11:52<Lover_forever>thanks dpkg
11:52<dpkg>de nada, Lover_forever
11:52<Lover_forever>de nada?
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11:53<themill>Spanish for "you're welcome".
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11:55<Maulkin>stew: if you're still around and they start coming back again, can you waah in #oftc? :)
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11:56<stew>Maulkin: of course, but i'm only going to be around for a short while
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11:56<Maulkin>stew: no worries :)
11:56<stew>becuase its holiday time! happy friday!
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11:59<zeon>i have always problems with realplayer on all webbroser
11:59<zeon>any one know any thing
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12:02<LqR>Can anybody recommend a USB wifi dongle? I tried searching in LinuxQuestions' HCL, but everybody keeps using ndiswrapper
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12:02<cahoot>LqR: my 3com device works fine
12:03<zeon>i have always one Probleme
12:03<zeon>with flash player
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12:03<zeon>on powerpc
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12:03<zeon>and till now any one can help me
12:03<LqR>Is there even a normal (read: non-free) flash player for powerpc?
12:03<zeon>if any one know something abaut
12:03<LqR>I thought Adobe didn't bother
12:03<zeon>there no flash player plugin
12:04<zeon>on adob website
12:04<zeon>can i found something else
12:04<LqR>cahoot: What kind of drivers do you use for it?
12:05<cahoot>in kernel
12:05<LqR>That's even better than I had hoped for
12:05<zeon>no one have powerpc
12:05<LqR>zeon: I do :)
12:05<zeon>d u have powerpc??
12:05<LqR>Yup, an old iBook
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12:05<LqR>Though I don't like Flash at all
12:05<zeon>and u install debian on it??
12:06<zeon>but how can u see video on youtube???
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12:06<LqR>zeon: I haven't tried on the powerpc machine
12:06<LqR>I do however use Gentoo and GNASH on my amd64 machine, and that plays Youtube video, although barely
12:06<zeon>i have a long time searched
12:07<LqR>Are you using stable or testing, zeon?
12:07<LqR>Heh, ok. I don't think the later (read: the youtube-capable) versions of GNASH is in the stable package repos
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12:07<LqR>But you could use youtube-dl and play the .flv files with mplayer or vlc for example
12:07<zeon>listen to me plz
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12:08<zeon>yes that is now the Problem
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12:08<zeon>is just the plugin
12:08<LqR>Ah. I see
12:08<stew>zeon: backport gnash from unstable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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12:09<LqR>Yeah, that should work.
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12:09<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
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12:16<j_>what about a good ftp client to use with the shell?
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12:17<stew>j_: lftp
12:17<j_>i can't put a directory on a ftp whith it
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12:18<themill>ncftpput has a recurse option
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12:19<themill>or use something more sophisticated than ftp such as sftp, scp or rsync
12:19<fxiny>ncftpput -R
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12:19<themill>!ftp must die
12:19<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE!
12:20<fxiny>agree , ftp must die , i get the barley+corn :)
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12:20<linux86>i want to install debian, but i'd like to not lose windows completely. i will format the drive for debian. will partimage be able to restore windows? it has ntfs support
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12:21<cahoot>just shrink the windows partiton and install debian on some freed space
12:21<zedboy>cahoot: parted doesn't claim it can resize ntfs partitions. what do you use?
12:21<cahoot>I used gparted
12:21<usr01>fala em portugues
12:21<linux86>i dont like having two oses installed, degrades i/o performance on disk (i want SSD but too expensive)
12:22<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:22<usr01>não tó entendendo nada
12:22<cahoot>linux86: degrades i/o?
12:22<linux86>input output performance of the hard drive
12:22<cahoot>it does?
12:23<Puzuzzu>it dosnt
12:23<linux86>more crap on the drive = slower performance
12:23<Puzuzzu>i thought u meant bios :O
12:23<Puzuzzu>not true
12:23<linux86>the os would not be at the beginning of the drive if it were the second os
12:23<themill>linux86: hmm.... only for incredibly badly fragmented filesystems
12:24<fxiny>crap on the drive ? is not a mechanical crap-load :P
12:24<cahoot>anyway - what's the hurry?
12:24<themill>linux86: you're comparing it with windoze here... when was the last time you actually sat down and calculated cylinder geometries to optimise the partition layout on a drive?
12:24<linux86>come on, now i know that the speed decrease is minimal but you have to admit if the os is not at the beginning of the drive it will be a bit slower
12:24<Maulkin>linux86: That's rubbish.
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12:25<fxiny>a bit , yes
12:25<zedboy>Maulkin: dude, you dunno what you're talking about.
12:25<linux86>themill i dont know about "calculating cylinder geometries" but i organize the drive as best i can, OS partition, crap partition, and no links between the two
12:25<cahoot>linux86: never owned a 286?
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12:25<zedboy>Maulkin: also, the drive is faster if you install it on its side
12:25<zedboy>Maulkin: less friction on the bearings
12:25<linux86>and increase in cluster size seems to help a tiny bit
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12:26<linux86>i dont think i owned a 286
12:26<zedboy>Maulkin: some leet blue LEDs would probably make it faster too.
12:26<linux86>my first pc was a p2 200mhz
12:26<themill>zedboy: where can I get what you're on...."less friction on the bearings" ?
12:26<linux86>blue leds make it faster, lol
12:27<LqR>Yeah. The more leds the better. Everyone knows that
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12:27<linux86>i heard the red ones are better for performance, and the blue ones are better for stability
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12:27<themill>red ones go faster
12:27<linux86>and a combination of the two causes conflicts
12:27<fxiny>yeahhh a psycho-dalek blue led
12:27<LqR>What about the green ones?
12:27<fxiny>from mars ?
12:27<linux86>they're experimental atm
12:27<Maulkin>Blue is faster than red. Fools.
12:28<linux86>you can eat the leds to enhance your brain ya know
12:28<stew>if you have too many leds, you are stealing available voltage from the drive motors and they can't accellerate as quickly
12:28<linux86>lol that would have to be one assload of leds
12:29<themill>dpkg: hit stew
12:29[~]dpkg punches stew.
12:29<linux86>i'll power my christmas tree with my psu and see if it makes a difference in the benches
12:29<cahoot>it *is* Christmas time
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12:30<linux86>i have an amdx64 4200+, any comments on that?
12:30<linux86>i'd like some feedback heh
12:30<Maulkin>linux86: Congratulations!
12:30<themill>!pony linux86
12:30[~]dpkg gives linux86 a pony
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12:30<linux86>its a year old
12:31<themill>well, mine's bigger than yours.
12:31<cahoot>best move win out of the way then
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12:31<linux86>i'd like to lose windows all together really, and theres not much left to hold me back.
12:31<linux86>the main issue i have is nvidia performance in linux
12:31<fxiny>yeahh you'd better move win out : i read win-sta takes eons to cp files :P
12:32<themill>Maulkin: any idea what the security team is going to do with flashplugin-nonfree now that it's got another CERT advisory against the version in etch?
12:32<linux86>8400M GS has awful power management drivers and i cant figure out how to force a constant performance level
12:32[~]LqR uses the nv drivers
12:33<amphi>heh - why not vesa? ;)
12:33<LqR>But I really regret I bought a nvidia card
12:33<linux86>do you have an 8 series card?
12:33<fxiny>flash ? atrope offers r115
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12:33<cahoot>LqR: unsportmanlike conduct
12:33<LqR>Well, I don't need the accelerated graphics
12:33<linux86>but you want it
12:33<linux86>thats reason enough, be happy
12:33<Maulkin>themill: Nothing for definate. I'm tending to vote for "drop it"
12:33<linux86>come on who buys hardware because they need it
12:33<LqR>I don't even remember what card it is
12:33<amphi>linux86: he doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't use the nv driver
12:34<linux86>ah ok
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12:34<LqR>Hm. GeForce 6500
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12:34<LqR>They don't work with the 8x?
12:34<cahoot>linux86: not planning to use linux for gaming?
12:34<themill>Maulkin: sounds fair... although that would leave the broken version on people's machines, wouldn't it? I have seen that the package isn't going to be in lenny by the time it becomes stable. (volatile?)
12:34<linux86>no, not gaming. compiz fusion
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12:35<Maulkin>themill: It doesn't fit in volotile, that's the problem
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12:35<cahoot>and still ponders disk i/o?
12:35<LqR>Heh. Compiz is what I use to lure 12 years olds into using Linux
12:35<Maulkin>themill: What I think will happen is security: "Unsupported, go see RMs to ask what to do."
12:35<fxiny>why not ? volatile does a very good job with clamav
12:36<Maulkin>fxiny: Yes, for data :)
12:36<Maulkin>(and engines etc... not a whole new program :P)
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12:37<linux86>compiz fusion on a laptop is great, especially at starbucks when people go how'd you do that
12:37<linux86>look i can paint fire on my screen, while rotating a cube of four desktops with rotating gears inside
12:37<linux86>can your windows do that
12:37<linux86>yes it is a good "lure"
12:38<linux86>but usually those are the people that give up
12:38<themill>fxiny: one can happily envisage a situation where adobe stops supporting the version of the browser that debian has in stable (or oldstable) leaving security support impossible. Volatile doesn't solve everything, and was only ever really intended for SA rules and virus defs.
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12:38<LqR>ratpoison or stumpwm with a black-and-green terminal compiling Firefox or GCC renders the same result, you know ;)
12:39<fxiny>Maulkin: i see what you mean : this is my tzdata > 500 etch/volatile/main Packages :==))
12:39<stew>having ratpoison on your tv will give you the wows when you hit ctrl-t c and a shell pops up on your tv
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12:40<cahoot>unless you interrupt Matrix
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12:43<amphi>linux86: heaven forfend you should show them anything useful, like scale or expo, for example ;)
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12:44<linux86>lol, show them something useful. i like to show off applications that are similar to proprietary windows ones
12:44<linux86>and then after that going, o yeah and its all free
12:45<amphi>linux86: so they gain a profound understanding of free software from you, eh? ;)
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12:46<fxiny>themill: yes . that's how volatile started . atrope is having problem with Mac OSX (opera browser site) according to bugtraq , more follow down like "Multiple Security Vulnerabilities" then again "DNS Rebinding" . atrope must die too :P
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12:49<fxiny>is time to get rid of all stupid flash login like bank account sites for example . pretty unsafe stuff this atropic flashy crap
12:50<themill>fxiny: flash logins for banking are an utter abomination. Whichever "security consultant" came up with these things should be shot at dawn tomorrow. If not earlier.
12:50<jakeriver>finally i installed debian \o/
12:50<SpeedyG>about time
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12:53<Supaplex>fxiny: that's the first sign you need to close all your accounts with them
12:54<SpeedyG>themill: should be shot yesterday you mean ;)
12:54<themill>SpeedyG: well yes. Retroactive contraception...
12:54<SpeedyG>hm, dont use such difficult words ;) i'm no native english speaker :p
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12:55<fxiny>Supaplex: all accounts ? i'm not such a Supa-tycoon like you :))
12:55<Supaplex>SpeedyG: in a word, thermite :)
12:56<SpeedyG>Supaplex: isnt that the stuff that burns 2" thick steelplates away ?
12:56<SpeedyG>nice stuff :D
12:56<Supaplex>like BUTTAH baybee
12:56<fxiny>very quake :)
12:56<SpeedyG>good against any form of data-recovery ;)
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12:59<fxiny>hahaha another one : 43. Adobe Flash Player 'asfunction' Cross Site Scripting Vulnerability
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13:00<Supaplex>~lart adobe flash
13:00[~]dpkg chops adobe flash in half with a free AOL CD
13:00[~]Supaplex watches the gooey center ooze all over dpkg's lap
13:00<fxiny>40 was the JPG Header Remote Heap Based Buffer Overflow . time to check atropw quotes :P
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13:06<fxiny>speed :P
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13:07<fxiny>thai ? hmmm
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13:16<wotamuckinfuddle>hi all, im trying to get into the chat, using ubuntu fiesty fawn. im getting An external application must be launched to handle ymsgr:links. requested link: ymsgr:chat? Application: purple-url-handler "%s" when i click on launch application nothing happens. any ideas anyone?
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13:16<path>it uses java I think
13:16<usr05>boa tarde
13:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:17<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
13:17<wotamuckinfuddle>i have java6 installed path
13:17<path>so fix the plugin
13:18<themill>wotamuckinfuddle: ask in #ubuntu
13:18<wotamuckinfuddle>do you think it is java? path
13:18<wotamuckinfuddle>i have asked in ubuntu and no one has any idea
13:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
13:18<path>themill, you got the point :)
13:18<billgate>java runtime
13:18<path>dont demand ubuntu support on debian channel
13:19<wotamuckinfuddle>i think purple-url-handler is something to do with the IM
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13:20<wotamuckinfuddle>im not demanding anything! path
13:20<wotamuckinfuddle>im simply asking
13:21<themill>wotamuckinfuddle: (1) is yahoo chat free softare? (2) is it in debian? (3) if it's using java then you're in even more trouble and (4) sun java isn't free software (5) ubuntu isn't debian and (6) we no nothing about what ubuntu does to either java or firefox so there's little we can do to help :)
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13:21<themill>wotamuckinfuddle: seriously... ask #ubuntu on or ask on their web forums.
13:22<Supaplex>wotamuckinfuddle: would you like to install debain today?
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13:23<fxiny>to get the bitlbee-vserver-yahopster magic mistery tour maybe ?
13:23<Supaplex>don't tempt me
13:23<wotamuckinfuddle>i had trouble with debian, i use a laptop that connects to the internet using a mobile phone as a modem via bluetooth, do you know how to set that up on debian supaplex?
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13:24<fxiny>you ? i'm 100% sure you alredy done it ;)
13:24<Supaplex>I'd go bankrupt with that aproach :P
13:24<Supaplex>fxiny: I'm more inclined to setup jabberd+transports
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13:26<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ? but bitlbee buzzing in a vserver is so qte :)
13:26<wotamuckinfuddle>i thought not @ supaplex
13:27<Supaplex>sorry if I don't go *that* far out of my way to figure it out
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13:28<Supaplex>my ibook predates bluetooth, I have no bluetooth adapters, and I'm in no position to waste money on internet when dsl works just perfectly.
13:28<wotamuckinfuddle>then if you dont have anything sensible to say then it may just pay off to keep quiet @ supaplex
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13:29[~]fxiny sends a quake supa-blaster-recharge to Supaplex
13:29[~]Supaplex fills up [|||||||||||..]
13:29<Supaplex>wahou :)
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13:30<fxiny>the massive green one ? hahahahah
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13:31<Supaplex>fxiny: quake was good times. just like the 30 other games I've played and forgetten about
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13:31<wotamuckinfuddle>id like to know why there are so many of you power trippers on this xchat
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13:31<Supaplex>power trippers?
13:31<edthefox>what's up wit the spambotterz
13:32<wotamuckinfuddle>oh yes, ive met many on here
13:32<Supaplex>I don't get the association. are you suggestiong they're high and mighty, but xchat isn't worthy?
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13:33<wotamuckinfuddle>some ive spoken to are really helpful, but the majority ewwwww
13:33[~]Supaplex watches FF go bewm... again
13:34<Supaplex>yeah. pardon our grief :)
13:34<wotamuckinfuddle>mmmm indeed
13:36[~]Maulkin gently prods people back towards being on topic
13:36<themill>wotamuckinfuddle: I'll presume that's generally directed at me.... Asking me to give support for ubuntu is about as sensible as asking me about windows or macos. I just don't use them so I don't know. Now we *also* need to have rules about what goes on in #debian as it supposed to be for helping debian people in English. That's why we send non-debian and people who want to ask questions in other languages off to places that *can* help them as we
13:36<themill>know that we can't.
13:38<amphi>wotamuckinfuddle: this is not an xchat, BTW ;)
13:38<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
13:38<Supaplex>!start an irc client war
13:38<dpkg>irssi sucks
13:38<wotamuckinfuddle>yes quite themill, i have to say you have been the most helpful
13:38<Supaplex>so says automaton
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13:39<dpkg>i heard irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
13:39<amphi>Irssi uptime: 31d 1h 40m 26s
13:39<Supaplex>amphi: how do you get that?
13:40<Supaplex> 18:39:13 up 123 days, 19:00, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00
13:40<edthefox> Irssi uptime: 1d 17h 27m 41s
13:40<Supaplex>21d here
13:40<fxiny>irssi 0.8.9 (20031210 2316)
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13:40<edthefox> 12:40:41 up 2 days, 21:27, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
13:41<Supaplex>reboot? what's that? ;)
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13:41<amphi>Supaplex: no kernel updates in 123 days?
13:41<Supaplex>I guess not
13:41<fxiny>yes one
13:42[~]seanius had a freebsd box at former $work with uptime of like 2 years
13:42<fxiny>i had a freebsd long ago
13:42<fxiny>then woody kicked it off my box :)
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13:43<Supaplex>seanius: I had 1200+ days before the dork of a co-sysadmin bumped the power cable :)
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13:43<seanius>it just generated and pushed a bunch of mrtg graphs onto another machine. it was eventually replaced by a debian box running cacti
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13:45<edthefox>i had a *novell* 3.12 server with an uptime of 614 days ... then the power failed.. and the battery died b4 the generac picked up
13:45<fxiny>iirc it was running sawfish
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13:49<fxiny>over three years ? you've blackholed the alpha centauri pr0n area :P
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13:55<LqR>I had a box running Debian HURD with an uptime of about a month
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13:59<trman>any one has a pointer to vsftpd configuration howto with only virtual users from a database
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14:02<Supaplex>how do I enable coredumps for iceweasel? I don't want to attach gdb all day in the off chance it crashes, but in the last week it's crashed twice and I'd like to know more
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14:06<esop>iceweasel... humping the globe like there's no tomorrow!
14:06<esop>dirty little weasel.
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14:08<fxiny>gone now ? huff . it's in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/EXAMPLE !
14:08<fxiny>plenty of virtual host users users2
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14:26<joshrulez2>after i installed vhcs my server doesnt default to the index.html in /var/www anymore, how can i set it to do that again?
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14:28<joshrulez2>erm ok
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14:30<joshrulez2>so what do i actualy do?
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14:33<joshrulez2>so can anyone help?
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14:36<Supaplex>echo DirectoryIndex index.html >> /var/www/.htaccess
14:36<Supaplex>if that doesn't work, study the apache directive directroyindex on
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14:36<joshrulez2>ok thanks
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14:46<pmidas__>I just try to recompile my kernel .... but cant boot from it
14:48<pmidas__>cant mount hda3
14:48<pmidas__>I coppy config file from /boot to /usr/src/linux-
14:48<lupine_85>sane configuration?
14:49<pmidas__>and then make menuconfig
14:49<pmidas__>practicly yes
14:49<lupine_85>do you have an initrd? set up properly?
14:50<lupine_85>see mkinitramfs
14:51<pmidas__>my steps ware:
14:52<pmidas__>wget ...... linux-
14:52<pmidas__>tar .....
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14:53<pmidas__>pach with routes-2.6.23-15.diff
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14:53<pmidas__>cp /boot/config....some version /usr/src/linux-
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14:54<pmidas__>make menuconfig
14:54<pmidas__>make-kpkg klean
14:54<pmidas__>fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
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14:55<pmidas__>dpkg -i ../linux-image .......
14:55[~]dpkg removes a speen from pmidas__ and replaces it with ../linux-image .......
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14:56<pmidas__>shutdown -r now
14:57<pmidas__>and .... from grub I try to boot new kernel
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14:57<amphi>a speen?
14:57<pmidas__>any ideas
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14:58<cahoot>sda3 now?
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15:00<cahoot>hda3 before - sda3 with new kernel?
15:01<cahoot>(since you asked for any ideas)
15:02<pmidas__>how can I do this?
15:02<pmidas__>boot from old kernel
15:02<pmidas__>and ?
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15:03<narayan>is there anyway to check the version of the kernal from the command line
15:03<dragon-fire>uname -r
15:03<cahoot>just hit e at boot and see if changing from hda3 to sda3 solves the problem
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15:03<cahoot>i e from the grub menu
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15:04<narayan>machine is running headless
15:04<narayan>via ssh
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15:05<cahoot>uname would still work
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15:07<pmidas__>cahoot, how can I see the sda or hda
15:07<pmidas__>from where
15:07<cahoot>pmidas__: in grub?
15:08<pmidas__>I am new to linux .... where is grub config file
15:08<dragon-fire>pmidas__: you can edit the current boot-options while typing "e" if the grub-menu apears
15:08<cahoot>pmidas__: before the new kernel boots - hit e and edit the kernel line grub uses - hit b to start the boot
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15:09<pmidas__>10x now I will try
15:12<pmidas__>I see that there are diferenses
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15:12<pmidas__>hda3 is on the two kernels
15:13<pmidas__>but the new one do not have initrid option
15:13<pmidas__>can I fix that
15:13<cahoot>that might explain a lot of you meant to have a kernel + initrd
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15:14<lupine_85>[19:50] <lupine_85> see mkinitramfs
15:15<cahoot>that's history ;)
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15:16<lupine_85>or rather, update-initramfs -k should do the trick
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15:26<bootstrap>how do you install java ?
15:26<bootstrap>I am trying to install sun non-free its not working
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15:26<bootstrap>this is really weird
15:28<LqR>The funny thing about Sun's non-free Java runtime is the fact that Sun and all the other Java fans keeps claiming it's free.
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15:28<LqR>But I don't think Debian can redistribute Sun's Java binaries?
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15:29<chealer>!tell bootstrap about install java
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15:29<narayan>how do I get ssl working with BX?
15:30<bootstrap>chealer : ie.. apt-get install sun-java6-jre .. isnt working ... saying something about unmet dependencies
15:30<chealer>!install java
15:30<dpkg>First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>.
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15:32[~]johns was trying to get iced tea set up on sid last night
15:32<johns>almost succeeded, but not quite
15:33<bootstrap>how do I fix apt-get its broken
15:33<chealer>dpkg: no, install java is <reply>To install Sun's Java plugin, make sure you have non-free APT sources, and install sun-java5-plugin. Lenny users can install sun-java6-plugin instead.
15:33<dpkg>okay, chealer
15:35<chealer>bootstrap: which Debian architecture do you use?
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15:37<JasonS>define broken bootstrap
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15:40<pmidas__>lupine_85, that do the trick .... but -ck option
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15:40<pmidas__>and after update grub
15:40<chealer>doesn't Sun's JRE work on non-x86?
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15:41<JasonS>LqR: 10 times something
15:42<LqR>"Ten times" seemed a bit out of place
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15:45<chealer>dpkg: no, install java is <reply>If you're on x86, you can install Sun's Java plugin by making sure you have non-free APT sources, and install sun-java5-plugin. Lenny users can install sun-java6-plugin instead. Otherwise, ask me about <java-package>.
15:45<dpkg>okay, chealer
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15:50<badiane>ehlo. Does anyone know how to secure a screen session so that someone else cannot join.
15:51<dondelelcaro>badiane: only root can join by default unless you've munged the access lists
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15:53<badiane>hmm, ok maybe I have overlooked some stuff. I'll have to log in later and test.
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15:54<dlove>I have a rather stupid question, was wondering if there were any takers?
15:54<badiane>another question, I'm using virtualbox set for a regular user and it's using raw partitions. The problem is that the user needs to have access to the drive in order for virtual box to use the partition. What would you guys recommend, setgid, world permission or ..
15:55<JasonS>dlove: best just ask it then
15:55<dlove>Thanks. It might just be my internet connection, but is anyone else having problems getting to
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15:59<cahoot>dlove: seems not a global problem
15:59<bootstrap>my java's not working ...... help ... ... .... ... .... ...
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16:00<JasonS>bootstrap: try answering some of our questions actually and maybe we can
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16:00<dlove>cahoot: Ahh. Thanks. I'll try later. It seems to time out on me. I was just trying to grab Heikki's mugshot packages to update my Ubuntu builds (he's been doing great work). Since I've been so far behind, it's not exactly a time-pressured issue.
16:01<badiane>which udev file takes care of setting disk permissions
16:01<JasonS>umm dlove? ubuntu?
16:02<dlove>JasonS: Yep. I want to make sure I'm building off of the Debian builds. You guys catch way more things than I can keep up with.
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16:02<bootstrap>anyone know what that java-common - is not installable error from apt-get is about ?
16:02<bootstrap>-f doesnt work
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16:03<Neyuth>someone knows how i can make the console to show what i am working whith
16:03<Neyuth>like gadget effect
16:03<Neyuth>just info
16:03<JasonS>never could figure out why ubuntu users cant tell the difference between debian and ubuntu
16:03<Neyuth>consoloe working
16:04<dlove>JasonS: I never would've bugged you guys except for the fact I wanted to get Heikki's source packages. I know the difference.
16:04<Neyuth>how do i use dbus
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16:06<chealer>bootstrap: not without seeing the error, no.
16:06<LqR>JasonS: I can. Not even Ubuntu seems to know the difference
16:07<Neyuth>or how i can see real time log
16:07<LqR>dpkg-reconfigure and friends says "Welcome, I'll help you configure your Debian system..."
16:07<LqR>Or things like that
16:08<JasonS>LqR: seriously? heh no wonder
16:08<dlove>LqR: Yeah. They seem to get confused. But at least they seem to have good intentions. I'm not a fan of some of their stances.
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16:09<LqR>Me neither. But most of all I don't like how un-customizable Ubuntu is
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16:09<dlove>LqR: For the server side, I'm not either. But after using Gentoo, it seemed like a nice change of pace.
16:09<LqR>Heh, I'm actually using Gentoo on my main workstation
16:10<LqR>OpenBSD on a server (it just keeps crashing and crashing...) and Debian on my iBook
16:10<dlove>LqR: I got sick of all of the compiling. At least for day to day stuff. But that's expected.
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16:10<Supaplex>I use gentoo for bits and pieces
16:10<chealer>LqR, dlove: this is a Debian support channel. you could try #debian-offtopic or something else.
16:11<dlove>chealer: Sorry. :(
16:11[~]Supaplex /detaches and leaves chealer alone
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16:11<LqR>I wonder what happened to zeon and his issues with Flash
16:12<LqR>He PM:ed me and I gave him instructions to add the unstable source repository, and then he just dropped and didn't come back
16:12<cahoot>sounds like a volatile mix
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16:14<^X-TAL^>j'ai un petit prbleme avec ma debian !
16:14<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
16:14<cahoot>de rien
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16:16<m_g>hey guys
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16:16<m_g>i just attached an external usb disk to my machine and dmesg printed: [...] input: HID 046a:0021 as /class/input/input3 [...] and i can't access it at e.g. /dev/sdb or something similar. am i missing a module?
16:17<m_g>i have loaded e.g. usb_storage, usbcore, uhci_hcd
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16:19<cahoot>built you own kernel?
16:19<m_g>cahoot, Module sd_mod not found :/
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16:19<m_g>somebody else built it for me
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16:19<m_g>can i install it without rebooting?
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16:20<cahoot>install what?
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16:20<m_g>the sd_mod modul
16:20<cahoot>the sd_mod module?
16:21<cahoot>should be possible to just build and install it
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16:22<m_g>can you give me a hint how to do that please?
16:22<m_g>i have the kernel's .config but no sourc edirectory if that matters
16:23<cahoot>o that matters
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16:24<cahoot>what's the problem with the debian provided kernels?
16:24<m_g>iirc it didn't support the mainboard of the machine, but i can't change this anyway atm
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16:26<bootstrap>chealer :
16:27<bootstrap>chealer : I cant get all of the output
16:27<bootstrap>there is more
16:27<bootstrap>copy and paste in linux sucks
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16:27<JasonS>bootstrap: no it doesnt, just have to get used it ot
16:27<JasonS>to it even
16:28<bootstrap>JasonS : thats why Windows is so popular they made it useable to the layman
16:28<JasonS>umm bootstrap is that the correct url?
16:28<chealer>bootstrap: the paste is garbled
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16:29<bootstrap>chealer : thats the beginning of it ....
16:29<bootstrap>I cant use apt-get for anything else
16:29<chealer>bootstrap: well I'd like to see the whole output.
16:31<m_g>hm i have a partition accidentally mounted at /mnt, when i do umount /mnt i get "device is busy", lsof /mnt only shows "bash 3498 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /mnt" .. any ideas?
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16:32<ifvoid>m_g: bash is using the dir
16:32<Gathond>leave /mnt with that bash shell
16:32<ifvoid>m_g: type "cd /" in your terminal
16:32<m_g>hm i suspected that and did "cd", but the error remains
16:33<Gathond>it might not be the bash you are currently using though
16:33<m_g>i have two bashs open and none is in /mnt
16:33<Gathond>m_g: did you run su?
16:33<Gathond>that starts a new bash I think
16:33<Gathond>so your old bash still runs with whatever working dir it had when you ran su
16:34<m_g>ah, let me exit completely and start a new one
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16:34<m_g>that's strange
16:34<m_g>still the same output
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16:35<m_g>well.. kill -9 helped :) thanks
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16:40<bootstrap>chealer : search for post by shivraj
16:40<bootstrap>I am using the console and lynx
16:41<bootstrap>with gpm ... !! woo hoo ...
16:41[~]Supaplex <3's elinks
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16:42<chealer>bootstrap: OK. try installing sun-java6-bin
16:42<bootstrap>chealer? how ? from dpkg ?
16:42<bootstrap>apt-get isnt working
16:43<Supaplex>tell us how it's not working
16:43<Supaplex>!tell bootstrap -about don't work
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16:43<chealer>bootstrap: ah. then try removing sun-java6-jre
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16:46<bootstrap>chealer : that does work either
16:46<chealer>bootstrap: how?
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16:47<bootstrap>I just made a new posting
16:47<bootstrap>chealer : look for shivraj
16:48<chealer>bootstrap: OK, but if you don't mind, why aren't you using X?
16:48<chealer>bootstrap: try removing both sun-java6-jre and limewire-basic
16:48<Supaplex>hi drivers are the evil non-free ;)
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16:51<bootstrap>chealer : copy and paste
16:51<bootstrap>I am using windowmaker ...
16:51<bootstrap>not gnome ... and kde
16:51<chealer>bootstrap: ...and you're unable to paste a URL in your client?
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16:53<bootstrap>chealer : no except it shows recent postings on
16:53<bootstrap>thanks for your help
16:53<bootstrap>I removed everything
16:54<chealer>bootstrap: scary. I didn't use windowmaker for more than a few minutes, but I imagined those using it would know how it works.
16:54<bootstrap>I have to install java5
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16:54<kot>ive installed rrdtools but i cant find my php executables
16:54<bootstrap>chealer: its really nice .. I wont use any other window manager
16:54<kot>can u tell me where they are ?
16:55<kot>im running fine with apache+php but i can find my executable file of php. i need it so i can set up a cron job
16:55<kot>can u help?
16:56<edthefox>why is everyone installing java and flash today??
16:56<chealer>bootstrap: as you want. if you can't copy/paste, you could propose renaming it to TypeMaker
16:56<chealer>kot: which php executables?
16:57<kot>i need to set the path
16:57<kot>to my php
16:57<kot>i.e /usr/bin/php
16:57<kot>i need a cli php
16:57<kot>like the old php4-cli
16:58<bootstrap>edthefox : porn
16:58<kot>ok. done it.
16:58<chealer>edthefox: not everyone is installing java and flash today
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17:03<edthefox>chealer: figuratively speaking
17:04<edthefox>chealer: I didn't mean *everyone* or did you not know that?
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17:06<pmidas>hello again
17:06<dephi>Would anyone like to help me troubleshoot why my linux-source-2.6.23 won't compile with the standard debian config options?
17:07<pmidas>I just cople
17:08<dli>!tell dephi about k-p
17:08<dephi>yeah that's what I'm using
17:09<dephi>just getting lots of "undefined reference" errors
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17:12<pmidas>I use this:
17:12<morph_>hello all
17:12<morph_>I got a problem with /etc/mtab
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17:13<morph_>there is listed an entry like: /dev/sdc1 /root/a\040mnt
17:13<morph_>where \040 = " " (the space char)
17:13<morph_>but I really need the space in there
17:13<pmidas>step by step, but in the end I got some problems
17:13<morph_>do someone know how to do that?
17:14<pmidas>can some one tel me how can I activate NAT
17:14<pmidas>when i tipe iptables –t nat –A POSTROUTING –o eth1 –j MASQUERADE
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17:15<pmidas>I get: iptables cant initialize table ,,nat"
17:15<chealer>edthefox: I know. just trying to make you ask a question that makes sense.
17:16<pmidas>table do not exist (do you need insmod)
17:16<pmidas>why cant I use nat
17:16<jelly-home>morph_: that entry in /etc/mtab basically is just a copy of what kernel shows in /proc/mounts
17:17<jelly-home>morph_: you'll need to fix your application to be able to parse that format
17:17<morph_>yes, I know: I cheked even there and it's the same
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17:17<jelly-home>or just don't use space in mountpoints
17:17<morph_>jelly-home: mh, ok I'll do; I just would like to know it is only the space to brake my application, on not some other charaters
17:18<morph_>jelly-home: there are some automounts that do use spaces in mountpoints
17:18<jelly-home>morph_: so?
17:19<morph_>jelly-home: so i thought there would be a flag for fix this escaping; there's none, so I'll fix the application hoping space is the only edge situation
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17:20<jelly-home>morph_: I have a fixed /etc/auto.smbfs that handles spaces. I didn't have to fix any umounting.
17:20<jelly-home>or just disallow any funny characters in mount points
17:21<pmidas>can sombody help me with nat
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17:21<morph_>jelly-home: for now I go with conversion \040 -> " ", then let's see
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17:22<pmidas>!tel pmidas -about nat
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17:22<jelly-home>morph_: you could convert any \0<8 bit octal value>, perhaps
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17:23<morph_>jelly-home: could be an idea (I'm just cheching if 40 is the space character)
17:23<jelly-home>morph_: a backslash is \134 ;-)
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17:26<pmidas>why NAT does not work
17:26<pmidas>for me
17:26<pmidas>iptables –t nat –A POSTROUTING –o eth1 –j MASQUERADE
17:27<jobbe>i need some help.. i have just installed debian (as server.. no gui just command line) and im a little confused about the apache server.. i need 3 websited
17:27<pmidas>give me a error
17:27<jobbe>can anyone help me?
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17:29<jobbe>i need help
17:30<jobbe>i have just installed debian (as server.. no gui just command line) and im a little confused about the apache server.. i need 3 websited
17:30<jobbe>can anyone help me?
17:31<petemc>jobbe: you add vhosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ , then use a2ensite , check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/apache2*
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17:33<petemc>pmidas: whats the error?
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17:33<jobbe>petemc onay i try
17:34<pmidas>I get: iptables cant initialize table ,,nat"
17:34<pmidas>table do not exist (do you need insmod)
17:34<petemc>you need to load the modules
17:34<Kebianizao>I'm used to build the kernel from vanilla sources or debian sources when available after applying the tuxonice patch the thing is that I usually need several builds till I get the optimum one, and I'd like to avoid rebuilding each time
17:35<petemc>if you install ipmasq, it does pretty much everything for you
17:35<Kebianizao>so far I usually use make-kpkg and do kernel_image and I increase --revision when I try again, this is after doing a clean. is there any way to increase revision and do kernel_image without having to do the clean, beacuse when I try I have a message telling me there's a version mismatch
17:35<pmidas>petemc, I new ..... how can I load modules
17:36<petemc>modprobe ip_tables
17:36<petemc>modprobe iptable_nat
17:36<petemc>i think , check one of the many thousands of how tos
17:36<petemc>or use ipmasq, if you dont want to read
17:37<petemc>you also need echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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17:39<pmidas>for iptable_nat i get ..... FATAL: module did not found
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17:47<pmidas>petemc, what I must include in kernel to have iptable_nat
17:48<pmidas>or can I fix add somehow this module without recompiling kernel
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17:48<petemc>its been years since i compiled a kernel, but id assume it wouldnt be too hard to find and identify
17:48<kraus>hey! i have amd athlon 64 x2 3800+ processorso i guess i could install an amd64 version of debian. so i was wondering if there are any major applications that don't yet work with 64 bits?
17:49<Steven>hi all
17:49<petemc>you can compile some modules and load them without rebooting
17:50<Steven>does anyone here use vsftp?
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17:52<witte>kraus: iirc, there are some applications that have troubles with 64 bit, flash for instance
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17:53<witte>kraus: most of these problems are solvable, but may require some effort
17:53<kraus>is there no way to get flash working at all?
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17:53<dpkg>somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
17:54<morph_>jelly-home: I used taht solution
17:54<witte>kraus: you can install it, but i am not entirely sure how, and what are the consequences
17:55<witte>there used to be some kind of wrapper
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17:55<yoda>hey all
17:55<kraus>fine. then do you know if there are any other major things that don't yet work?
17:57<witte>kraus: anything that is specifically compiled against the 32-bit libraries
17:57<yoda>I'm looking for a way to convert protected .wma files to a playable format for my linux box. any sugestions?
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17:57<Steven>does anyone here use vsftp?
17:58<dpkg>methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at
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17:58<dpkg>from memory, wma is Windows Media Audio, a proprietary audio data compression technology developed by Microsoft. Can be played with xine-based players, vlc or mplayer.
17:59<yoda>I'm looking for a way to convert protected .wma files to a playable format for my linux box. any sugestions?
18:01<otter_>ffmpeg might be able to help you
18:01<Kebianizao>kraus: the only apps I would beware are non-free, like skype and zattoo
18:01<otter_>it's something like ffmpeg -i file.wma file.mp3
18:01<Kebianizao>but that could be solved using a 32bit chroot
18:01<yoda>I'll give it a shot
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18:03<chealer>otter_: if I understand correctly he means that ffmpeg can't analyze the files.
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18:14<Kebianizao>one more thing, on those dual core processors, is it possible to decouple the frecuency on each of them depending on the load?
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18:20<amphi>Kebianizao: my understanding of core 2 duo, recent ones at least, is that when running a single cpu intensive task, one core is overclocked and the other shut down
18:20<amphi>but you can't use cpufreq to set diffrerent freqs for each core AFAIK
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18:21<amphi>/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/ is just a symlink to the cpu0 equiv, from what I've read
18:21<Kebianizao>on my cpu monitor, both cpu raises to maximum even when 1 of them is almost idle, using ondemand governor
18:21<Kebianizao>but I wondered if I could do aything about that
18:21<amphi>I don't have such a processor, so this is just hearsay ;)
18:22<witte>Kebianizao: do they physically have two clocks?
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18:22<Kebianizao>witte don't know :S
18:23<witte>Kebianizao: when I had computer architecture, the P2 and P3 were new ;-)
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18:24<Kebianizao>witte: we talked about mips r2000 there, but not that much time ago
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18:28<klaes>hey, anybody know how i could use "grep -v xxx" with scp?
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18:29<dondelelcaro>klaes: what do you expect that to do?
18:29<klaes>so like, all the files with *.m4p i wouldnt want to copy
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18:29<dondelelcaro>klaes: use rsync with --exclude instead.
18:29<klaes>dondelelcaro, ah, ok, thx :)
18:30<klaes>dondelelcaro, first time to use it, some of same syntax as scp?
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18:30<dondelelcaro>klaes: not really. Best to check out the manpage and some examples therein.
18:30<dondelelcaro>klaes: if you're totally lost after checking that out, show us your best guess, and we'll correct it.
18:31<klaes>dondelelcaro, thx, will do :) if there is an example, how hard can it get? ^^
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18:32<dondelelcaro>well, rsync has on the order of 120 options.
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18:33<wfw>but can it make chewy end fries?
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18:33<witte>Kebianizao: just had a brief look at the intel specifications, and they do not mention that the two parts can have seperate frequencies so i think they cant (this would be quite challenging electrically). However, don't take my word for it :-)
18:33<dondelelcaro>wfw: it's not emacs
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18:35<Kebianizao>witte: I also thought about the electrical implications of having two spearate clocks, specially what concern to synchronization
18:35<Kebianizao>I reckon it was quite difficult, but I didn't know
18:35<witte>Kebianizao: same here :-)
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18:39<BUDD}{A>does anyone here use ubuntu with a psp
18:39<klaes>dondelelcaro, think i got it right, just 1 problem... ah, got it... had to install rsync with cygwin on this dump windows thing next to me :S
18:39<amphi>BUDD}{A: this is #debian...
18:39<Kebianizao>!tell BUDD}{A about ubuntu
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18:40<Kebianizao>np :) but consider having a real Debian ;)
18:40<Kebianizao>ow, nearly :P
18:40<klaes>ye ^^
18:41<wfw>if I had $1 for every time that happens.
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18:43<Kebianizao>leaving, thanks and bye ;)
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18:47<istoc>Can someone list me the pastebins with that tell command?
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18:47<witte>!tell istoc about pastebin
18:47<istoc>Cool, thanks
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19:03<istoc>Can someone help me with this iptables script? Whenever I run it I can't connect via ssh anymore even though I have an exception for ssh. Thanks
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19:10<v4mpire>hey guys anyone around able to help me with limiting processes and what programs can be run on particular shell accounts?
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19:35<swhite>v4mpire, Limit in what way?
19:36<v4mpire>like only allow so many processes to be run
19:36<v4mpire>and what programs can be run
19:37<swhite>well you have sudo for the programs.... thinking about the number of processes...
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19:38<swhite>ever thought about a menu system for the users. That's what I use for the "NOC" or "Operations" group at work.
19:39<swhite>pdmenu is nice for end users etc..
19:40<v4mpire>whats that do ?
19:42<swhite>pdmenu is a "menu system" that forces end users to choose from a menu option.
19:43<witte>v4mpire: I know it can be done, as the sysadmins at my university have a warning when logging in to ssh: max concurrent connection, max h cpu time, max mem usage, max number of processes...
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19:43<witte>v4mpire: but i can't find how they do it
19:43<otter_>What you want is the limits.conf file
19:44<otter_>I had to add "session required" to the end of /etc/pam.d/common-session to get it working
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19:45<v4mpire>Otter, where and how do i set it up ?
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19:45<witte>otter_: you are right, limits.conf should work
19:45<witte>v4mpire: man limits.conf
19:45<otter_>the file is /etc/security/limits.conf
19:45<v4mpire>nothing on it someone told me to man it before
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19:46<witte>v4mpire: do you have libpam-modules installed
19:47<v4mpire>oh w8 i had tryed man limit.conf not limits.conf
19:48<witte>ok, and the file itself has some documentation in it
19:48<witte>which is basically the same as the man page
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19:50<Clumsy_Root>i just updated from the stable repo, and now media applications (totem et al) return a segmentation fault on startup. anyone had it happen either?
19:50<witte>Clumsy_Root: from the stable to...?
19:50<witte>Clumsy_Root: or did you just do an update?
19:50<Clumsy_Root>sorry, debian x64 etch 4.0
19:51<Clumsy_Root>and yup, i did a dist-upgrade from etch
19:51<witte>Clumsy_Root: ah, ok you are still on stable, I was not sure
19:51<Clumsy_Root>yeah, sorry about that
19:51<witte>Clumsy_Root: mmm, stable, should be stable, so there should not be a lot of things that change during a dist-upgrade
19:52<Clumsy_Root>yeah, but it occurred nonetheless
19:52<witte>Clumsy_Root: did you check the bug tracking system?
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19:52<Clumsy_Root>i googled, but didn't find much
19:52<witte>Clumsy_Root: and if the xserver reinstalled or, whatever application, maybe you need to restart your X environment?
19:52<v4mpire>do u guys actually understand how to use it ?
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19:53<Clumsy_Root>i already did two cold reboots, still no dice
19:53<cockroach>okay, this is weird: i did a fresh debian install on a system, upgraded to testing and now the box' mac-address seems to have changed. how could that possibly happen? also: nothing but PINGs seems to pass the interface anymore...
19:53<witte>Clumsy_Root: can you look in /var/log/dpkg.log what are the programs that were installed on the last install?
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19:54<Clumsy_Root>sure thing
19:54<Clumsy_Root>although, i should point out two things
19:55<Clumsy_Root>first: when i try playing one file after booting, things work: the file plays and i can view it, but when i try opening something else after that i get segfaults
19:55<Clumsy_Root>this happens with totem, gxine and mplayer alike
19:55<v4mpire>the actual limits.conf shows it completely diff to the man page does
19:55<v4mpire>so im just confused now :/
19:56<Clumsy_Root>second: i had to install some lennies in order to upgrade gnome from the stable repo
19:56<Clumsy_Root>think that could have done it?
19:56<v4mpire>but from what i see on man page... it only seems to have a setting to limit how many programs got be run... not wat programs can be run which i need aswell :/
19:57<witte>Clumsy_Root: how did you do that upgrade?
19:57<witte>Clumsy_Root: if you installed the lenny programs by adding lenny to sources.list and just did an dist-upgrade after that, you are now on lenny ;-)
19:58<Clumsy_Root>i temporarily switched to lenny and installed the missing deps through repos, then reverted to etch and proceeded to upgrade gnome from etch
19:58<Clumsy_Root>no, i didn't dist-upgrade ^^ just apt-got the single deps
19:58<witte>Clumsy_Root: you know that these things are quite tricky?
19:59<Clumsy_Root>i sure do now.
19:59<Clumsy_Root>ah, here they are
19:59<witte>Clumsy_Root:did you try running the applications in an other wm?
19:59<v4mpire>im using sid/lenny's kernel on etch lol
20:00<Clumsy_Root>fun thing? i'm actually using kde and couldn't care less about gnome :D
20:00<Clumsy_Root>v4mpire: same, i use the latest sources all the time
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20:00<Clumsy_Root>anyway, here's what got changed: liboobs, notification-daemon and hal
20:01<Clumsy_Root>my money's on hal.
20:01<witte>Clumsy_Root: check the version of hal which you have installed, and the one that should be on stable
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20:02<Clumsy_Root>yeah, those three are my lennified deps
20:02<Clumsy_Root>i'm running the testing versions right now
20:02<witte>you could just fully upgrade to testing
20:03<otter_>v4mpire: you could try using group permissions. Add whatever users you want running thefile to a group (like staff) then do something like "chown root:staff thefile" then "chmod o-x thefile"
20:03<Clumsy_Root>and still end up with broken stuff?
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20:03<witte>Clumsy_Root: and the next time you try this, do the following:
20:03<witte>!simple sid backport
20:03<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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20:04<witte>Clumsy_Root: the problem is most likely not the program but the interaction fo the different programs
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20:04<Clumsy_Root>um, i got the broken stuff from the lenny repo. no recompiled stuff or anything
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20:05<Clumsy_Root>hm. think a dpkg-reconfigure could help any here?
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20:05<witte>Clumsy_Root: the thing is that you need to have it recompiled against your current environment
20:06<witte>Clumsy_Root: no, don't think so, try the thing dpkg told, and install the new versions over the existing ones
20:06<Clumsy_Root>i see. you think it'll work then? i mean, i don't even know exactly what's segfaulting
20:06<Guest921>I got question about aria2c
20:06<Clumsy_Root>i have an inquiry at this point tho'
20:06<Guest921>I know u can mix protocols, like ftp and http; how about torrent and http ?
20:07<witte>Clumsy_Root: to be honnest, I have no idea
20:07<Clumsy_Root>what if sidding such a core part of the system causes even greater trouble?
20:07<witte>Clumsy_Root: well, I would not go for sid, you can use the "simple sid backport" routine also for testing repo's
20:08<witte>!simple testing backport
20:08<witte>it is just not in dpkg :)
20:08<Clumsy_Root>well, thanks. i'll see what i can come up with :)
20:08<witte>good luck
20:09<Clumsy_Root>thanks. although, i'd first like to try reverting to the previous versions of the deps that i'm suspecting to cause these problems
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20:09<witte>Clumsy_Root: that would be best probably
20:10<Clumsy_Root>is it possible to give a reinstall command for an earlier version of a given package?
20:10<witte>Clumsy_Root: apt-get install --reinstall name
20:10<witte>Clumsy_Root: don't know if apt will complain
20:10<Clumsy_Root>ah, will that take care of downdating too?
20:11<witte>Clumsy_Root: otherwise try dpkg -i and if needed dpkg -P <name> and then dpkg -i
20:11<witte>Clumsy_Root: don't know
20:12<witte>your system is only a little bit screwed
20:12<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
20:12<Clumsy_Root>yeah, luckily
20:12<Clumsy_Root>so my best bet is to get the package straight off the repos and install it manually, huh
20:13<witte>Clumsy_Root: the package probably still is in /var/cache/apt/archives/
20:13<Clumsy_Root>no such luck, i cleaned the cache the other day
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20:14<witte>Clumsy_Root: worst case scenario you can go to testing, which is very robust, I use it at work
20:14<witte>Clumsy_Root: just not for servers of course
20:14<Clumsy_Root>hmm. i might actually do that
20:14<Clumsy_Root>yeah, it's not like i need a rock-solid install for a desktop system
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20:15<witte>Clumsy_Root: testing generally works great
20:15<Clumsy_Root>maybe i can even get compositioning to work properly under lenny :)
20:15[~]witte holds wood
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20:15<Clumsy_Root>oh, great: gedit segfaulted too O_o
20:16<Clumsy_Root>i've got a hunch...
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20:17<Clumsy_Root>of all things, it's gnome screwing up.
20:17<Clumsy_Root>i've never had a gnome crash before... too bad i use apps from both DE's
20:17<witte>I do not use gnome nor kde :-)
20:17<witte>plain old window maker here
20:18<Clumsy_Root>heh, classic
20:19<chealer>Clumsy_Root: just trying, but which X video driver do you use?
20:20<Clumsy_Root>i'm using nvidia nonfree, but i think i pretty much narrowed it down to the ole gnome plummeting into a mineshaft :P
20:20<chealer>Clumsy_Root: how did you install them?
20:20<Clumsy_Root>the same way i try to install everything, through the repos
20:20<Clumsy_Root>i used synaptic for those, since there were a few to clear
20:21<chealer>Clumsy_Root: so you never used nvidia-installer on that machine?
20:21<Clumsy_Root>yup, i did
20:21<Clumsy_Root>but not recently enough for it to matter :P
20:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead.
20:22<chealer>Clumsy_Root: nvidia-installer can break your system. segfaults in multimedia applications following an upgrade is a typical symptom. I'm not aware that it can cause problems with gedit, but maybe I'm just not aware, or you're experimenting two different issues.
20:22<Clumsy_Root>i know about that, it always goes haywire when i upgrade my kernel
20:23<Clumsy_Root>well, gedit doesn't really access media extensions
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20:23<Killing_Frost>Season's Greetings.
20:23<Clumsy_Root>now there's a problem tho'
20:24<Clumsy_Root>the previous gnome should be gone from the repos now that there's 2.20, right?
20:25<chealer>Clumsy_Root: if you didn't check whether your system is intact, you should. otherwise, provide the list of packages from testing.
20:25<witte>Clumsy_Root: the stable gnome is still 2.14 i think?
20:26<chealer>Clumsy_Root: you mean 2.18?
20:26<Clumsy_Root>yeah, 2.18
20:26<chealer>Clumsy_Root: GNOME 2.20 isn't completely in testing yet.
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20:26<chealer>witte: 2.14/2.16
20:27<Clumsy_Root>why were parts of it on etch then?
20:27<chealer>Clumsy_Root: parts of what?
20:27<witte>chealer: ok, I just did a quick check on the stable box in the next room which normally does not even run X
20:27<Clumsy_Root>gnome 2.20
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20:27<chealer>Clumsy_Root: none of GNOME 2.20 is in etch.
20:28<Clumsy_Root>check twice, it was in today's updates.
20:28<chealer>Clumsy_Root: which package(s)?
20:29<Clumsy_Root>hold on, i'll check
20:29<witte>chealer: just updating, there are indeed 2.20 packages comming in
20:29<chealer>witte: in testing, yeah, but not in etch
20:29<Clumsy_Root>and another weirdness: gedit just segfaulted for my user account, but not for root
20:29<witte>chealer: yes of course, etch is stable...
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20:30<witte>Clumsy_Root: can you pastbin your sources.list?
20:30<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:30<chealer>witte: of's Clumsy_Root that thinks that parts of GNOME 2.20 are getting in etch.
20:31<Clumsy_Root>how come did i find them in etch then? ;>_>
20:31<witte>chealer: he got to lenny for a short while, installed some programs and now returned :-)
20:31<witte>Clumsy_Root: that is why I asked for your sources.list ;-)
20:32<chealer>witte: yeah, and still looks confused
20:32<chealer>Clumsy_Root: you must be have found them in testing
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20:32<Clumsy_Root>right, here it is as it was when i found the 2.20's :)
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20:34<chealer>Clumsy_Root: if you had updated your packages index, you shouldn't have seen anything 2.20 except for already upgraded packages.
20:34<Clumsy_Root>infact i'm double-checking on the packages searchpage
20:36<Clumsy_Root>hm, the site lists them as 2.14...
20:36<Clumsy_Root>alright, PEBKAC on my end
20:36<witte>Clumsy_Root: the thing is, when you are in stable you do not get ANY package updates, unless security updates. Hence the name stable ;-)
20:37<witte>Clumsy_Root: btw you should enable the security repository in your sources.list
20:37<Clumsy_Root>yeah, it must have somehow slipped past me O_o
20:37<Clumsy_Root>what's the name for that one?
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20:38<witte>Clumsy_Root: it is in your sources.list, but it has a comment sign in front of it, just remove that #
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20:39<Clumsy_Root>ah. piece of cake :)
20:39<witte>Clumsy_Root: but that is not your greatest concern, first try to fix the rest ;-)
20:40<Clumsy_Root>which would involve reinstalling gnome :/
20:40<witte>Clumsy_Root: just remove it (purge it) and reinstall it
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20:40<witte>piece of cake :-)
20:41<Clumsy_Root>not quite ^^'
20:41<witte>Clumsy_Root: as long as you did not install crucial new programs, that will work
20:41<Clumsy_Root>i'm still using a lot of gnome apps, it's gonna be tough reconfiguring them all
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20:41<witte>Clumsy_Root: just do it in console
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20:42<chealer>witte: he's using KDE, I don't think he needs to do that. he's just worried to lose his GNOME configuration (though I don't see why)
20:43<Clumsy_Root>well, for one i'm using pidgin
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20:43<Clumsy_Root>then there's a lot of soft i'm currently using belonging to gnome, unfortunately
20:44<Clumsy_Root>actually though, i have a better idea
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20:44<chealer>Clumsy_Root: pidgin is just GTK+, not GNOME.
20:44<chealer>Clumsy_Root: like what?
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20:44<Clumsy_Root>i'll just narrow down a list of whatever i installed today and see if i can't reinstall those parts on their own.
20:44<Clumsy_Root>(sorry about that, i tend to confuse them a bit)
20:45<bastosjc>hi there everyone
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20:46<chealer>Clumsy_Root: just check the list of packages which are from testing.
20:46<Clumsy_Root>well, i can't access synaptic and i don't handle adept very well
20:46<Clumsy_Root>so i'll just prune out the dpkg.log for the deps i need to track down :)
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20:47<chealer>Clumsy_Root: AFAIK neither of them do that, although that would be great. the only tool I'm aware is apt-show-versions.
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20:48<Clumsy_Root>i'm doing it manually: i'm checking in /var/log/dpkg.log what got changed today, so that i can try and reinstall the broken packages singularly
20:49<chealer>Clumsy_Root: if you prefer manual, as you want...
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20:50<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i'd waste more time trying to get my way around adept than doing it the old-fashioned way
20:50<chealer>Clumsy_Root: as I wrote, AFAIK Adept doesn't let you do that, only apt-show-versions does.
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20:51<Clumsy_Root>which i don't even have, incidentally
20:52<chealer>Clumsy_Root: well, you could install it :)
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20:53<Clumsy_Root>whichever i choose, it's still gonna be a long, kludgy night :P
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20:58<Clumsy_Root>thanks again, think i'll get cracking now :)
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21:03<terry>NICK Mercurio
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21:32<semifor>When I exit my X wnidow session, or switch to a console with C-A-F1, I get a blank screen.
21:32<semifor>It seems the video mode isn't changing, appropriately.
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22:37<jokotai>recent Debian user, installed for my in-laws, tells everybody that I'm the only one who can eject CD's. How do I fix it?
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23:01<blarson>!tell maruss about ask
23:02<maruss>what do you mean?
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23:03<maruss>can i ask a question?
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23:04<maruss>well at the moment im running on windows xp (home) and am running a virutal machhine so i was wondering if there was a way i could dual boot like select whatOS to boot into at startup?
23:06<blarson>maruss: grub knows how to boot windows. As long as you have the disk space to install debian, dual-boot will work fine.
23:07<blarson>Install windows first, since it's install is hostile to other OSes.
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23:08<maruss>well i have windows installed but this isnt my computer so i need a way to dual boot by like pressing a hotkey or somethig
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23:10<blarson>maruss: You can select any OS to be the default in grub (the default boot loader for debian x86). It will boot the default unless you start typing at the prompt within a few seconds. (timeout configurable)
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23:11<blarson>or you could just run debian (or knopix, or ubuntu) from a cdrom.
23:11<maruss>so i could set it to load windows if no keys are pressed and if any keys are pressed it boot debian or does it have to be a cretain key?
23:12<maruss>old driver cant be bother to update so it recognises cd-roms
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23:12<blarson>It would give a menu, and you can down-arrow and return to boot another selection. Or type a specific command line.
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23:13<maruss>i would prefer a menu like a boot manager but you install to hd and you select off of there
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23:14<maruss>im kinda a newb with linux so...
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23:16<maruss>would i just install grub set it to the debian iso then what?
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23:17<blarson>maruss: grub is installed as part of the debian install. I think you will need to reconfigure it after install to make windows default.
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23:18<maruss>oh right by anychance would you happen to have a link with the commands for grub?
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23:19<otho>man grub?
23:20<maruss>yh i know that would work just im not running debian so i cant access it (lazy) so i need a online manual so i know what im actually doing
23:20<blarson>man update-grub
23:21<maruss>thank you so much ma
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23:33<jp30>how can I have my debian system recognize my flashdrive?
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23:36<dli>jp30, it should be auto
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23:38<jp30>no, another problem is that I have only command line.
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23:42<chuxxsss>hi all
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23:44<chuxxsss>anyone no how to get kttsmgr to load talker modules
23:45<maruss>sorry not a clue
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23:52<chuxxsss>thanks Maruss it got something to do with the synthesizer module because it doesn't show up in the KTTSMgr Select voice
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23:52<blarson>jp30: I just mount them.
23:53<blarson>jp30: with udev, they show up as /dev/sd? (where ? is a letter)
23:53<joel__>$ mount /dev/hb0 /mnt/hotblonde
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