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---Logopened Sun Dec 23 00:00:31 2007
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00:13<khaotik>can any one help me get my graphics card working properly
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01:17<AndyJ_Australia>Can anyone assist with connecting a HP ScanJet 5200C?
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01:18<AndyJ_Australia>xsane is refusing to talk to it on USB and can't find it via EPP
01:19<AndyJ_Australia>Damn! I forgot to check if the port is enabled in BIOS... BRB...
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01:25<AndyJ_Australia>Can anyone assist with getting a ScanJet 5200C talking to debian?
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01:30<OvrLrd-Q>can somebody look at this pastebin and tell me wtf is going on, cuz I'm confused as hell.
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01:33<dli>!tell AndyJ_Australia about printer
01:33<dpkg>from memory, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups>
01:36<AndyJ_Australia>Why printer?
01:37<dpkg>i guess scanner is a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see for supported devices.
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01:37<AndyJ_Australia>OK. sane is not finding the scanner
01:38<AndyJ_Australia>It shows up in USBview but sane can't find it on USB
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01:38<AndyJ_Australia>I've added an EPP port, but sane can't find it via parallel cable either
01:38<AndyJ_Australia>According to the sane project, it is supported both by USB and Parallel
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02:07<AndyJ_Australia>Does anyone know where I can find sane-hp (the HP backend for sane)?
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02:39<OvrLrd-Q>can somebody look at this pastebin and tell me wtf is going on, cuz I'm confused as hell.
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02:42<fxiny>OvrLrd-Q: firt of all : why are you wgetting as root ?
02:43<OvrLrd-Q>because i'm lazy, and it's virtual
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02:44<fxiny>then : what the hell is resolving that crap ? check your dns
02:44<OvrLrd-Q>by cranking up the debugging levels in bind, it first requests, then it requests
02:45<fxiny>bind ? i am a real lazy person not you :) i use dnsmasq :P
02:45<Christmas>doesn't work for me
02:45<fxiny>anyway root should not wget anything
02:46<OvrLrd-Q>Christmas: that's the point, it shouldn't be doing that :(
02:47<fxiny>com ? that of course resolve
02:48<OvrLrd-Q> that's what bind says when wget'ing
02:50<OvrLrd-Q>i'm just trying to figure out what and why it's prepended the .com to the end
02:51<OvrLrd-Q>err append
02:53<Christmas>sorry mistake
02:54<Christmas>i think if you have /etc/hosts with a search com line in it, then it will append .com at the host
02:56<Staz>err, you mean /etc/resolv.conf ?
02:56<OvrLrd-Q>only thing in there is nameserver
02:58<Christmas>yes, resolv.conf, sorry
02:58<Christmas>so probably .com is the default appended?
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03:01<OvrLrd-Q>doubt it
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03:03<fxiny>OvrLrd-Q: check : hostname --fqdn and stick your domain at the top like : search
03:03<fxiny>and fix your hosts file
03:05<fxiny>or : ;)
03:06<OvrLrd-Q>didn't help :-(
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03:07<fxiny>but now is ok : resolvconf should be search example/myflat/ and nameserver
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03:09<fxiny>sorry dunno about bind , wait for a bind expert
03:09<linuxfce>i just switched from windows to debian, my only problem is that debian is much slower than windows
03:09<fxiny>it can't be
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03:09<OvrLrd-Q>is it a bind problem?
03:10<fxiny>linuxfce: there is something wrong
03:10<linuxfce>loading applications is slower, and the gui is sluggish, buttons pop up after the window border
03:10<linuxfce>what do you mean there is something wrong, what could be wrong
03:10<linuxfce>my cpu is detected properly and powernowd, even when set to enable constant performance level (2.2ghz) it is slow
03:11<linuxfce>the cpu is a core 2 duo
03:11<linuxfce>everything is working properly i think its just slow (than windows xp)
03:11<linuxfce>and the web browsing is a bit more laggy too
03:12<dli>linuxfce, I don't know a 2.2 GHz core 2
03:12<fxiny>linuxfce: reconfigure your xorg server as root type : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:12<linuxfce>dli t7500
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03:13<dli>linuxfce, fxiny sounds right, you may be using the vesa video driver
03:13<linuxfce>i am already using nvidia-glx-new
03:13<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
03:13<linuxfce>and i have a hack that keeps it at a constant performance level (rather than dropping clocks during idle)
03:14<dli>linuxfce, no need to do that, enable power management, it's not cpu that slows you down, it's the buggy video card driver
03:14<linuxfce>the video driver is fine. the clocks slowing down thing is a feature of the driver
03:14<linuxfce>i made that stop because it still is faster without the feature
03:15<fxiny>wrong screen vert/hor/refreesh rate ?
03:15<linuxfce>i can drag windows around without seeing it refresh, the driver is functioning properly
03:15<dli>linuxfce, lsmod|grep nvidia
03:15<linuxfce>the only thing that is sort of wrong is that it detects the screen at 50hz when it can go 60hz, but that shouldnt make a difference
03:16<linuxfce>nvidia 6221648 66
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03:16<linuxfce>i2c_core 26112 1 nvidia
03:16<linuxfce>agpgart 35016 2 nvidia,intel_agp
03:16<dli>linuxfce, dmesg|grep nvidia
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03:17<linuxfce>[ 12.676000] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
03:17<fxiny>sharp eye ;)
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03:17<dli>cahoot, time stamp thing?
03:17<linuxfce>no not on ubuntu lol
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03:18<linuxfce>im not on ubuntu
03:18<linuxfce>i really think the installation is fine, just windows is a little snappier
03:18<fxiny>linuxfce: you can put it up to 60 (which will save your eyes) by reconfiguring it
03:19<dli>fxiny, laptop, doesn't matter
03:19<linuxfce>its an lcd though (laptop)
03:19<linuxfce>lol 50hz on crt, ouch
03:20<linuxfce>i found that if i use a theme that uses that old 2d window style like windows 98 did its a bit snappier
03:20<linuxfce>but windows can do that ugly ass luna (blue) theme and not be laggy
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03:20<dli>linuxfce, go install debian, #debian should be debugging ubuntu.
03:21<dli>linuxfce, also, I don't know about windows
03:21<linuxfce>im not using ubuntu
03:21<fxiny>dli: laptop ? ok i did not noticed it was a lap , must be this Chopin Nocturnes No.+19+in+e+Minor+Op.+72-1.flac , time for something faster ;)
03:21<linuxfce>im using mint linux
03:21<dli>linuxfce, doesn't help, go ask in the right channel
03:21<linuxfce>i dont think theres anything wrong with this installation anyway, i think linux is slower
03:22<dli>the second time I see someone asking about "ubuntu-based", no, even "debian-based" doesn't count here
03:22<linuxfce>well, debian based is pretty damn close
03:22<dli>!debian based
03:22<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
03:23<fxiny>linux slower ? winsta is slower : it takes eons to cp files :P
03:23<dli>fxiny, who cares? this is #debian
03:23<fxiny>s/winsta/winstoze :P
03:23<OvrLrd-Q>if you think 'linux is slower' then you have a config problem :P
03:23<linuxfce>not slower than vista, slower than xp
03:24<linuxfce>nothing is slower than vista
03:24<fxiny>dli: i always care about kicking winsta as* ;)
03:24<dli>fxiny, indifference is always better than hatred
03:24<fxiny>is faster then xp
03:25<fxiny>dli: i don't waste energy into that black hole called hate : sarcasm/hirony/satire is my fuel :)
03:26<linuxfce>i installed compiz fusion and now my email doesnt work. im using a debian based distro but that shouldn't matter because the email stopped working in windows vista. could you help me? i think i need programming done
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03:27<dli>linuxfce, I'm sorry, but helping you is off topic here :( we can help you run debian though
03:27<linuxfce>lol that one was a joke
03:28<SpeedyG>installing compiz and mail stopping in vista, thats like... complaining that you've put fuel in your car's fueltank, and the wipers stoped working :D
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03:28<fxiny>SpeedyG: it could be : why not ? winstoze bugs are amazing ;)
03:29<SpeedyG>hehe, true that :)
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03:29<dli>fxiny, but proprietary video drivers in linux are as well as the same buggy
03:30<SpeedyG>btw, maybe any clue why its notifiably slow when I click on a minimized terminal to re-maximize it again? seems that I've got some problems with my gfx-drivers maybe?
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03:30<dli>fxiny, especially for those users with the newest nvidia/ati cards
03:30<fxiny>dli: tx : i take the chanche to curse bastard* hardware vendors :)
03:30<linuxfce>hmm, the nvidia-new-glx has always been nice and reliable for me
03:30<linuxfce>glx-new i mean
03:31<fxiny>if someone will say something about flash i'll be entranced too :)
03:31<dli>SpeedyG, disable composite for X, try again
03:31<linuxfce>adobe flash?
03:31<dli>fxiny, you can help develop gnash
03:31<SpeedyG>hm, that'd disable any transparency options right ?
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03:32<dli>SpeedyG, yes
03:32<SpeedyG>bugger :(
03:32<fxiny>dli: when i will leave my dear opld PII i'll run gnash yeahhhhh :)
03:32<dli>fxiny, that might be too slow for gnash. gnash still uses too much cpu/ram
03:32<fxiny>dli: flash spolits are on every news : banks are ready to kick it off they're sittes i bet
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03:33<fxiny>dli: that's why i still use the crappy atrope :)
03:34<dli>fxiny, adobe still not delivering 64 bit gnash yet
03:34<linuxfce>i had been using xfce for a while, but today decided to give gnome a try, its so damn similar to xfce, i think some code jacking or "agreement" has taken place
03:34<dli>SpeedyG, is it a composite problem?
03:36<SpeedyG>dli: no idea
03:36<SpeedyG>havent tried it yet
03:36<SpeedyG>but I guess its a driver-problem
03:36<dli>SpeedyG, ati card?
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03:36<SpeedyG>I also cant get any better resolution than 1280x1024@56
03:36<SpeedyG>with nvidia drivers
03:36<fxiny>dli: no jokes : atrope is giving hard time to money transactions . read the news .
03:36<dwad>where should I put modprobe ndiswrapper?
03:36<SpeedyG>nv drivers can do upto 80hz
03:36<fxiny>so it will die soon
03:36<dli>SpeedyG, usually nvidia drivers are better than ati
03:36<dwad>so it would work on startup...
03:37<fxiny>and all the propietary software should be kicked off from those business
03:37<SpeedyG>dli: it's a pretty new gfx card, so I guess thats about the problem
03:37<dli>SpeedyG, nv is too buggy, try nouveau
03:37<dli>SpeedyG, are you running the newest driver from the one in debian might be too old
03:38<fxiny>including some obscure random generator algo
03:38<SpeedyG>dli: i'm running lenny atm, including the drivers from it
03:39<dwad>will it work if just put ndiswrapper in /etc/modules?
03:39<dli>SpeedyG, then, try the one from website
03:39<SpeedyG>anyhow, gotta run now, i'll try the nvidia one this afternoon
03:40<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
03:40<dwad>It's a general question
03:41<dwad>It's already set up, I just want to know if I need to run modprobe ndiswrapper as root or is it sufficient to just mention ndiswrapper under modules
03:42<dli>dwad, you mean /etc/modules
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03:46<dwad>dli: yes
03:46<dli>dwad, no difference
03:46<dwad>nice, thanks
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03:46<cahoot>unless you reboot
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04:00<vook>is there a way to have apt-cache search output only package names with no descriptions?
04:01<vook>maybe I need aptitude...
04:02<cahoot> apt-cache search <string> | awk {'print $1'}?
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04:02<vook>ok - yeah. thanks
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04:03<vook>ok - and... aptitude -F %p search <searchterms> coo
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04:22<AndyJ_Australia>Hi people, can anyone help with sane/xsane ??
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04:25<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: still looking for sane-hp? tried libsane-extras?
04:26<AndyJ_Australia>Hi cahoot. No, but still working on the same problem
04:26<AndyJ_Australia>I have been able to get sane to perform a scan
04:26<AndyJ_Australia>But can't get past an error when it scans for other devices
04:27<Gekz>how can I tell what color depth I have enabled in Xorg?
04:27<AndyJ_Australia>I turned on debugging and it's going off into lalaland half way through a massive list of devices
04:28<cahoot>Gekz: grep -i bpp /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:29<AndyJ_Australia>Nice wiki, but it doesn't cover the problem.
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04:30<Gekz>cahoot: thanks
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04:33<AndyJ_Australia>[hp] hp_nonscsi_device_new: libusb:002:005: found HP ScanJet model ScanJet 5200C
04:33<AndyJ_Australia>How do I convert this to a device name?
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04:34<AndyJ_Australia>I'm hoping to get around this problem by defining my scanner as an environmental variable for xsane
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04:36<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: some udev trickery?
04:36<AndyJ_Australia>Would it be /dev/bus/usb/002/005 ??????
04:37<AndyJ_Australia>man xsane says it can be defined as SANE_DEFAULT_DEVICE but I'm having trouble working out the device name
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04:40<AndyJ_Australia>Nup. Didn't work.
04:41<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: something like: export SANE_DEFAULT_DEVICE=hp3500:libusb:002:005
04:42<AndyJ_Australia>That's what I just tried although I used /'s instead of colons...
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04:45<AndyJ_Australia>Same problem... according to debug output it's getting as far as:
04:45<AndyJ_Australia>init: initializing backend `geniusvp2'
04:45<AndyJ_Australia>and then nothing.
04:45<AndyJ_Australia>I'm tempted to delete this library and see if anything changes.
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04:48<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: what does scanimage -l return for device name?
04:48<faust>Hi there! SInce I installed kernel 2.6.23 from unstable, cpufreq doesn't seem to work anymore - any ideas why?
04:48<AndyJ_Australia>cahoot scanimage doesn't return anything, it just goes off into neverland like everything else.
04:48<cahoot>even for root?
04:49<AndyJ_Australia>yep, even for root
04:49<AndyJ_Australia>I'm running debug on scan image, that's why I can see everything work until it tries to open the genius backend
04:49<AndyJ_Australia>then it just hangs forever
04:50<AndyJ_Australia>New errors now, because the device name is wrong.
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04:53<AndyJ_Australia>Rats! How do you delete an environmental variable?
04:53<AndyJ_Australia>Thanks. BRB
04:55<AndyJ_Australia>cahoot, how do I use a pastebucket? I'll show you the end of the scanimage -l output
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04:55<Staz>Andy : look for
04:56<Staz>scanimage .... |
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05:00<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... I've found the script, now I just have to put it somewhere...
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05:06<AndyJ_Australia>Not working, I must have a different version of perl or something.
05:06<AndyJ_Australia>Is there a manual way to put something into pastebin?
05:07<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: /msg dpkg paster
05:07<AndyJ_Australia><kicks self> the shebang line is missing from the top of the file. BRB
05:08<fxiny>AndyJ_Australia: a different perl version ? what's the error ?
05:08<fxiny>i've seen it
05:08<AndyJ_Australia>'tis OK, I found the prob
05:10<AndyJ_Australia>dpkg is down :-(
05:11<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
05:13<fxiny>legend ? slow and pathetic like fat :P
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05:17<AndyJ_Australia>OK I have pasted the last bit of the debug output
05:17<leonidas>Hi guys, I am new to linux and Debian. I would to check if my graphic (nvidia) drivers have been installed correctly. I have checked the internet but couldnt really any info on how to?
05:17<AndyJ_Australia>:-( I share your pain, I had to install the proprietary debian drivers for AMD-64
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05:18<leonidas>Hi Andy did you to remove other dirvers before the install?
05:18<AndyJ_Australia>Is X running OK?
05:18<leonidas>yes it seems so, but with flickering
05:19<AndyJ_Australia>No but there was an annoying problem, there was a file that kept pointing my setup back to the nv driver
05:20<AndyJ_Australia>If you're in X, you should be able to see a menu item: Applications|System Tools|NVIDIA X Server Settings
05:20<leonidas>would you give some pointers on how to install the nvidia driver?
05:20<leonidas>do you have like a website /
05:20<AndyJ_Australia>Give me a second and I'll have a look.
05:20<leonidas>cheers Andy3
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05:22<AndyJ_Australia>This is where I found the driver - but! This is for AMD-64, poke around to find the right one for you.
05:22<CastorT>Anyone on?
05:22<AndyJ_Australia>Just us chickens
05:23<CastorT>I have a noobie question....
05:23<AndyJ_Australia>Cahoot! Did you check out the pastebin?
05:23<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: did you paste anything? url?
05:23<AndyJ_Australia>duh! Sorry...
05:23<AndyJ_Australia>Is this it?
05:23<CastorT>I need to copy a file into all the dir's of /usr - How?
05:24<leonidas>did you have to recompile the kernel for that?
05:24<CastorT>This has been anoying me for a week :(
05:24<AndyJ_Australia>leonidas, no, I just used the installer
05:24<AndyJ_Australia> A recursive paste?
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05:26<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: nothing new revealed there - it's all as you described
05:26<cahoot>no error at all
05:26<AndyJ_Australia>It just vagues out at that point.
05:27<Christmas>does anybody know how can i determine openarena to use another audio output rather than the default one?
05:27<Christmas>the sound is crap
05:28<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: sorry - can't be of any real help
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05:29<AndyJ_Australia>No dramas, I'm still looking...
05:29<AndyJ_Australia>CastorT I'm still looking but I can't see anything in the doco I have here...
05:30<leonidas>HI Andy, I am trying to isntall the Nvidia driver but why is it that it is asking for the install CD again before proceeding ?
05:30<AndyJ_Australia>I have no idea. Do you have linux drivers on an install CD?
05:30<CastorT>AndyJ_Australia: Me neither... Problem is that ist actually alot of files, into alot of folders :(
05:31<leonidas>you mean the drivers for graphic card?
05:31<AndyJ_Australia>There should be a way to use a wildcard. It's probably really simple, still looking...
05:32<AndyJ_Australia>Is it asking for your debian CD?
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05:33<leonidas>yes. I have downloaded the graphic drivers over the internet and it asked before proceeding the install for the cd
05:33<The_Cold_Killer>Lotsa people
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05:33<leonidas>i put the cd in and pressed enter and the install proceeded
05:33<leonidas>I had the same pb when I wanted to install xchat
05:34<cahoot>leonidas: comment out the crdom entry in sources.list?
05:34<leonidas>is that it cahoot?
05:35<cahoot>I think so yes
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05:41<leonidas>there, it's done. I have reinstalled all the nvidia drivers. As a newbie, I think I was lucky
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05:41<leonidas>I dont know how I did it it seems to be working a lot better now
05:42<leonidas>the chance of the beginner :) from I read graphic drivers could be very troublesome
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05:44<AndyJ_Australia>CastorT the only thing I can find is references to creating scripts, it looks quite difficult
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05:44<Belisarivs>Hi all.
05:44<Belisarivs>I have a problem.
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05:46<Belisarivs>When I order my PC (Debian Sid) to halt, I get at the end message saying that my disc couldn't be spinned down properly and I should upgrade something. Not sure what, I guess sysvrc, but I use latest one.
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05:46<Belisarivs>Any ideas?
05:46<The_Cold_Killer>I am noob to this stuff
05:47<cahoot>only a warning or a real problem?
05:47<valdyn>The_Cold_Killer: tell the complete error message
05:47<valdyn>The_Cold_Killer: ops
05:47<valdyn>Belisarivs: tell us the complete error message
05:47<AndyJ_Australia>Of course, that would mean grabbing the message when the PC shuts down...
05:48<Belisarivs>I don't remember it. From which log I can get it?
05:48<valdyn>Belisarivs: none, probably, shut the pc down again and read it
05:48<Belisarivs>It also suggests to go to some web page. But it is pretty quick.
05:49<Belisarivs>Can I somehow pause it?
05:49<valdyn>Belisarivs: scroll lock maybe
05:49<valdyn>Belisarivs: that key
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05:50<Belisarivs>OK. I'll give it a try. See you later and thanks for your time.
05:50<leonidas>There is something i dont understand about linux and debian. There is sort of repositories per type of software isnt it?
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05:50<valdyn>leonidas: no
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05:51<leonidas>valdyn, could you please enlightenned me?
05:51<valdyn>leonidas: there's official debian repositories from debian and various 3rd party repositories
05:52<leonidas>yes but, if you are lookimg for a specific software, how would you know that it is in such or such repos??
05:52<valdyn>leonidas: you cant
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05:52<AndyJ_Australia>Synaptic is very easy
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05:52<leonidas>I would assume that if you dont have the right repos, your system will not be able to find the soft??
05:53<dli>leonidas, right
05:53<cahoot>valdyn: the shutdown msg is described here (if it's the same as on my testing)
05:53<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
05:54<leonidas>so how would know what kind of repos you need if for example you need to install skype??
05:54<valdyn>leonidas: you use google or already directly
05:54<leonidas>that doenn't make sense. to me
05:55<valdyn>leonidas: do you think that everyone who ever packages anything is tracked down and indexed by debian?
05:55<dli>leonidas, debian is about free software, skype is not free software, so it can not be in debian
05:55<valdyn>leonidas: THAt wouldnt make sense
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05:55<leonidas>yes very good point dli
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05:56<leonidas>but i thought that software were precompiled for distros
05:56<leonidas>that is why there are repos
05:56<AndyJ_Australia>Sorry to be a drag... Do we have any "sane" experts on yet?
05:56<valdyn>leonidas: skype source is not publically available
05:57<valdyn>!tell AndyJ_Australia -about ask
05:57<Belisarivs>Disc couldn't be spinned down properly. Please update shutdown utility.
05:57<dpkg>rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
05:57<Belisarivs>For more info see
05:57<valdyn>Belisarivs: i havent read that, you can read it yourself.. I dont think that message is critical for now
05:58<leonidas>valdyn, but it is possible to download binairies?
05:58<valdyn>leonidas: yes
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05:59<AndyJ_Australia>valdyn - The question is complex, sane, xsane, scanimage, are all dissappearing into weirdness
05:59<leonidas>what would you advise instead of skype then?
05:59<dli>leonidas, ekiga is free software
05:59<valdyn>AndyJ_Australia: obviously you wont get help if you dont ask it.
06:00<AndyJ_Australia>Have a look here:
06:00<cahoot>leonidas: nothing stops you from using the skype package delivers
06:00<AndyJ_Australia>I've exhausted the doco I can find on sane etc
06:01<AndyJ_Australia>I'm trying to get an HP ScanJet 5200C working with debian AMD-64
06:01<AndyJ_Australia>hp backend is installed
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06:01<AndyJ_Australia>All scanning programs just do nothing
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06:02<leonidas>cahoot, yes I suppose, but i thought the stability of Debian is in part due that it is already precompiled with softwares ready to use
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06:02<valdyn>leonidas: do you understand what compiling means?
06:03<valdyn>leonidas: compiling does not imply stability
06:03<dli>AndyJ_Australia, are you using usb or parport?
06:03<AndyJ_Australia>dli - usb
06:03<leonidas>I think so :)
06:03<valdyn>leonidas: and ever distro except like gentoo and archlinux default to using binaries
06:03<AndyJ_Australia>It reports to USB view
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06:04<dli>AndyJ_Australia, did you read the howto I pasted?
06:04<AndyJ_Australia>Yes, it didn't cover this problem at all.
06:05<dli>AndyJ_Australia, it states that you need backend >= 1.0.6, while your log shows backend 1.0.0
06:05<dli>AndyJ_Australia, the howto contains a link for backend 1.0.15
06:05<AndyJ_Australia>OK. Looking again.
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06:10<AndyJ_Australia>According to what I can see here, I have 1.0.18, the log is referring to a scanner I don't have
06:10<Belisarivs>I read through that web page according spin down of disc. Well, it suggests to contact distro maintainer to update shutdown utility. Not doing so could decrease lifetime of my disc as emergency unload is used.
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06:11<dli>AndyJ_Australia, do you have properly /etc/hostplug/usb/libsane* configured?
06:14<valdyn>Belisarivs: pretty weird, disks arent supposed to suffer from power outages or hard resets
06:15<AndyJ_Australia>libsane does not appear in /etc/hotplug/usb
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06:22<ServerSide>mh, someone know where i can find a programming-help channel ?
06:23<petemc>most languages have a channel on freenode
06:23<kraus>hi! so lenny doesn't have vlc in it's repositories right now, but if i have etch with vlc installed and i dist-upgrade to lenny, may i still keep my vlc and be able to use it?
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06:25<dli>kraus, you may try to backport vlc from sid also
06:25<ServerSide>petemc: thanks ;)
06:25<kraus>ok but i think it's just easier to keep my vlc from etch
06:25<AndyJ_Australia>dli those instructions call for the addition of hotplug
06:26<dli>AndyJ_Australia, follow the howto
06:26<AndyJ_Australia>the howto is for Gentoo
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06:26<AndyJ_Australia>if I install hotplug, most of my system will be de-installed
06:26<AndyJ_Australia>many, if not all of the instructions are Gentoo specific
06:26<dli>AndyJ_Australia, the same set of packages, files may be different though
06:27<cahoot>isn't hotplug obsoleted?
06:27<AndyJ_Australia>there is no backends file
06:27<AndyJ_Australia>hotplug is definitely obsoleted
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06:27<AndyJ_Australia>if I follow those GENTOO instructions I will not have a FUNCTIONING SYSTEM
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06:27<dli>AndyJ_Australia, no, you don't need hotplug
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06:30<AndyJ_Australia>That HOWTO does not address the problem I'm having
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06:30<AndyJ_Australia>sane-find-scanner finds the scanner
06:30<Belisarivs>I don't get it. What happened with those users?
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06:31<AndyJ_Australia> scanimage -d hp > test2.jpg Results in a scan being performed.
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06:31<dli>AndyJ_Australia, then, it works, proof of concept
06:32<AndyJ_Australia>I'm trying to find out why scanimage, xsane and sane keep disappearing into the never never
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06:32<AndyJ_Australia>The only clue is the debug log that I've posted
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06:33<AndyJ_Australia>So back to the original question...
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06:34<AndyJ_Australia>Can anyone assist with SANE ??? I'm trying to find out what it is doing?
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06:37<cm>Hi. Is anyone else having problems connecting to at the moment?
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06:37<dli>cm, seems to be down
06:38<cm>Ta, not just me then.
06:38<weasel>the host is fine
06:38<weasel>the service is having problems
06:38<weasel>Ganneff: ^
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06:39<AndyJ_Australia>same here
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06:40<dli>cm, you can search locally by apt-cache and apt-file
06:40<@Ganneff>should work again
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06:41<cm>yes, working for me again. Thanks.
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07:02<AndyJ_Australia>How do I identify the device directory for my scanner?
07:02<AndyJ_Australia>the sane.d .conf file is looking for /dev/scanner/
07:02<AndyJ_Australia>which doesn't exist
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07:02<cahoot>sounds obsolete
07:03<AndyJ_Australia>but replaced by what?
07:03<cahoot> /dev/scanner vanished when libusb came
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07:04<AndyJ_Australia>Did you notice this line in the log?
07:04<AndyJ_Australia>[hp] hp_read_config: reset to default config
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07:05<AndyJ_Australia>I renamed the offending library, and scanimage doesn't hang anymore
07:06<AndyJ_Australia>xsane still doesn't work, but at least it doesn't hang anymore either.
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07:11<cahoot>AndyJ_Australia: FWIW xsane refuses to recognize my trusty epsonscanner - but the app I use for scanning (vuescan) has no problems
07:12<cahoot>that's on testing
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07:26<george>can sane read from brother fax machines?
07:26<george>or treat fax machines in general (those that can be connected) as scanners?
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07:27<AndyJ_Australia>Found it!
07:27<AndyJ_Australia>Two extra config files...
07:28<AndyJ_Australia>in /etc/sane.d/dll.d
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07:29<AndyJ_Australia>Now scanimage -L returns: device `hp:libusb:002:005' is a Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200C flatbed scanner
07:29<AndyJ_Australia>Getting closer
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07:30<AndyJ_Australia>Now all I have to do is fix up the permissions!
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07:32<cahoot>membership in scanner should suffice
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07:44<AndyJ_Australia>Good night people!
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07:53<N1ghtCrawler>I have a problem, I have a directory where i want user x to have rights to write and user y only to read
07:53<N1ghtCrawler>How do i solve that?
07:54<cahoot>different groups with different perms?
07:55<N1ghtCrawler>Im new to linux and i am very confused about all this rights, groups and so on, could you explain more in detail? What commands i should use etc.
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08:27<walber_>whereis i can downloading glibc_2.4?
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09:13<spool>hi, I'm having trouble auto-generating an xorg.conf
09:13<spool>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg always fails with:
09:14<spool>xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new; not attempting to update existing configuration
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09:16<spool>there's a bug report on it, but no suggestions for getting around it
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09:17<j_>does someone have an ati rage 128 Ultra Pro video card?
09:17<j_>need some help...
09:17<j_>won't be long
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09:18<j_>can i help?
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09:19<spool>j_: you could help me if you like :)
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09:19<Ric84>are you really going to bash me because i'm going to ask for help on sid like the docs say? ^_^
09:19<j_>i'm a beginner but i'll do all what i can
09:20<Ric84>ok :-) it's apt-related
09:20<JasonS>Ric84: pretty much heh
09:20<Ric84>basically i installed 2.6.22 upgrading from lenny to sid
09:20<Ric84>(clean install)
09:21<Ric84>then i installed 2.6.23
09:21<Ric84>found out that a module for my wireless card isn't out as 2.6.23 yet
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09:21<Ric84>but i can't install 2.6.22 anymore
09:22<j_>you want to go back to 2.6.22?
09:22<cahoot>isn't it still in place?
09:22<Ric84>apt says "broken package"
09:22<cahoot>did you remove it?
09:22<Ric84>yeah i'd like to go back because i'm too lazy to compile ipw3945 myself :-)
09:22<cahoot>did you remove the old kernel?
09:22<j_>not too difficult to compile
09:23<j_>did you also try?
09:23<j_>or you can compile the kernel from yourself to come back
09:23<j_>but to me you'll need to compile one or the other
09:23<cahoot>did you remove the old kernel? Ric84
09:23<Ric84>no but sinceipw3945 is going to come out as 2.6.23 yet... i'll just wait
09:23<Ric84>cahoot: yes :-|
09:23<Ric84>2.6.23 is running fine
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09:24<j_>try the same with synaptic
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09:25<Ric84> Dipende: linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 but it is not installable
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09:26<j_>u need to remove the new kernel first
09:26<Ric84>i tought they were "slotted"
09:27<Ric84>i had 2.6.22 and 2.6.23 both installed for a while
09:27<spool>I'm having trouble auto-generating an xorg.conf
09:27<cahoot>sounds not so wise to remove the one working kernel on the system
09:27<Ric84>cahoot: yeah, apt told me that
09:27<Ric84>seemed unwise to me too
09:28<spool>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fails
09:28<Ric84>but since the system is almost new i'm not afraid to kill it :-)
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09:29<spool>xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X> server configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new; not
09:29<Ric84>i've never uninstalled my working kernel
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09:29<spool>attempting to update existing configuration
09:29<Ric84>would it break the system immediately or upon reboot?
09:31<cahoot>why are you so keen to remove it?
09:31<Ric84>why would i be able to go back to 2.6.22?
09:32<Ric84>so i could use the ipw3945 binary module
09:32<cahoot>Ric84: no net connection at all atm?
09:33<Ric84>oh yes... wired connection
09:33<Ric84>but this is a laptop so i'd like to move it from here sooner or later :-)
09:33<cahoot>Ric84: so just install module-assistant, build and install the missing module
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09:37<snama>anyone who can help with xorg.conf abit?
09:38<george>not me, don't have time... leaving you with:
09:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:39<spool>snama: I've been trying to get xorg.conf help for a while now
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09:40<Ric84>seems that 2.6.22 is gone from the repos
09:40<snama>well anyway this is what comes when i try to run compiz:
09:40<snama>Comparing resolution (1280x1024) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Passed.
09:40<snama>Checking for nVidia: not present.
09:40<snama>Checking for FBConfig: present.
09:40<snama>Checking for Xgl: not present.
09:40<snama>Starting gtk-window-decorator
09:40|-|snama kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
09:40<cahoot>Ric84: just install module-assistant, build and install the missing module
09:40<wide>etch installed on a toshiba laptop, added unstable to repositories to see what kernels are available in unstable. Doing this, I got an error message and synaptic exited. Googled and one post said to remove /var/cache/apt/*, now apt and synaptic don't work
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09:40<Ric84>cahoot: ok :-) but i was wondering *why* this happened...
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09:41<Ric84>just moved from *b#ntu to debian
09:41<cahoot>Ric84: the old module was present only for the old kernel
09:41<snama>ahh lol i was kicked for pasting output from my console because of the multiple lines
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09:42<snama>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
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09:42<snama>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0
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09:42<snama>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.
09:42<snama>thats what i get
09:43<snama>but in reverse order
09:43<snama>when running compiz from terminal
09:43<wide>when I run apt-get update, I get the error message: E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
09:44<sooperkuh>snama: do you have another window manager running?
09:44<cahoot>cups was replaced by alsa which is replaced by compiz as the most frustrating component of linux
09:44<snama>well metacity should not be in the way as i ran compiz --replace
09:44<sooperkuh>have you tried compiz --replace ?
09:44<snama>thats what i did
09:44<sooperkuh>i see ... hm
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09:45<snama>i have the composite extension enabled in xorg but i know there are other options too that are useful for compositing that should be in the device section but i dont know the now
09:45<snama>them now*
09:46<snama>iam almost certaiin thats enabled
09:46<snama>as i can run openarena with acceleration
09:46<snama>how do i check that?
09:46<Gekz>it should be said somewhere in your xorg.conf
09:46<Gekz>otherwise google knows
09:46<Ric84>cahoot: mmmhh it wasn't hard at all
09:46<Gekz>or man nvidia or whatever
09:47<snama>i have ati radeon 9250 btw
09:47<Ric84>feels like i'm back to my ~x86 gentoo days :D
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09:48<snama>i cant find any entry about AIGLX in xorg.conf
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09:49<snama>should it be in the device section?
09:49<Gekz>cant remember
09:49<Gekz>if you have nvidia, man nvidia
09:49<Gekz>if you have fglrx, man fglrx
09:49<Gekz>they say it
09:49<snama>well i use open source driver
09:50<snama>fglrx is too buggy
09:50<snama>i never managed to get it working
09:50<Gekz>then man ati
09:50<Gekz>it knows
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09:52<snama>aah maybe it was dri
09:52<snama>i tried grep -i AIGLX /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:52<snama>AIGLX enabled
09:53<j_>does so have a ati rage 128 Ultra Pro video card?
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09:53<snama>aiglx error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/ failed blablablalblabla cannot open shared object file:no such file or directory
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09:54<Thesco>hello, i have a prblem with my amule: i conect to th ed2k network but i dont have any node in the kad network.... please help me i use debian 4 etch
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09:57<witte> /msg dpkg no public key
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09:58<JasonS>j_: ask your real question
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10:00<jobbe>anyone know a good program that keeps the internet connectopn alive? so it not is idle?
10:01<witte>jobbe: stream radio :-)
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10:01<JasonS>jobbe: ping, radio, im client, irc client
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10:01<petemc>most people dont have to that kinda shit now, what with it being 2007 n'all
10:01<JasonS>petemc: very true
10:02<witte>jobbe: is it for ssh or something else?
10:02<petemc>i use top to stop braindead firewalls dropping my connection
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10:04<roleohibachi>anyone have any experience with xircom pcmcia nics?
10:04<jobbe>witte it's becaus i have a inter connection that logoff after 20 min inactivity so i cant really host a website from my debian server so i want a program that can keep the connection active.. and my server is in console mode
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10:06<sooperkuh>jobbe: running ping -i 60 -s 1 or something is no option?
10:06<jobbe>what does it?
10:07<witte>jobbe: i just asked because ssh can interrupt if the server (or client) is configured to do so. In that case the solution would be configuring ssh and not circumvent it with ping...
10:07<petemc>what dictates that the connection dies? cant it be fixed?
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10:08<jobbe>it's my isp's setup.. i have to logon from i website.. and when the connection is inactive for 20 min then my isp close the connection
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10:09<ELITE_x>run some script
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10:09<petemc>your isp sucks ass
10:10<ELITE_x>i have this before
10:10<ELITE_x>just start game server and no more inactivity
10:10<witte>jobbe, you can put a cron job that wgets a very light page (some kb txt or so) every 15 minutes
10:10<jobbe>how about this program
10:11<fxiny>jobbe: you have to use a browser to log in ?
10:11<jobbe>i have?
10:11<ELITE_x>you said
10:11<jobbe>i just use my laptop to login..
10:12<fxiny>so ping as petemc said . a cronjob pinging around
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10:13<fxiny>or a firefox autorefresh plugin in case you must log in a stupid site
10:13<jobbe>i dont have gui
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10:13<fxiny>a trivial cronjob
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10:14<roleohibachi>i've got a "Xircom""CreditCard10/100""CE3-10/100""1.00" ethernet nic, and it doesnt hang when i use the pcnet_cs module, but it doesn't seem to function, either. any ideas?
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10:14<jobbe>can someone help me install this program?
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10:15<jobbe>i got to step: # Setup auto start by copying the file rlfck to e.g. your /etc/rc.d/init.d dir.
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10:17<roleohibachi>pppoeconf returns that the access concentrator didnt respond, but cardmgr says the card is working fine and it seems to map to eth0. anyone?
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10:19<witte>jobbe: simply "crontab -e", and in that file put "0,15,30,45 * * * * /bin/ping -c 4"
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10:19<witte>or better, ping your isp
10:19<jobbe>what does this command do? 0,15,30,45 * * * * /bin/ping -c 4
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10:20<sooperkuh>jobbe: it sends four ping (icmp) packets to goole, every 15 minutes
10:20<witte>it does at minute 0, 15, 30 and 45 of each hour of each day of each month ping to google for 4 times
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10:21<witte>jobbe: ping is a very simple protocal to test connections: if i understood correctly, the term ping is sent to a remote host, and it replies by telling pong :-)
10:21<jobbe>ping pong ^^,
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10:22<fxiny>or just /15 * * * * /bin/ping -c 4 > /dev/null 2>&1
10:22<jobbe>hmm it seems that i have some problems with samba too :/
10:23<jobbe>i cant add users
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10:23<fxiny>this is even better : ping -q -c
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10:27<roleohibachi>i'm stuck... 've got a "Xircom""CreditCard10/100""CE3-10/100""1.00" ethernet nic, and it doesnt hang when i use the pcnet_cs module, but it doesn't seem to function, either. any ideas?
10:28<jobbe>when i use SWAT to configure Samba then i try add a user called jobbe and when i try enable it then i get: Failed to find entry for user jobbe
10:28<witte>roleohibachi: if you have eth0, it should work, do you get an ip (/sbin/ifconfig)
10:28<roleohibachi>the best help i've got on any forums was to use the pcnet_cs, but that was after i had already trial-and-error'ed and found that it worked
10:29<roleohibachi>eth0: link encap:ehernet hwaddr, a mac address, up broadcast running multicast, more... i don't see an ip there
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10:30<witte>roleohibachi: ok: do dhclient eth0 (as root or using sudo)
10:30<sooperkuh>jobbe: i always use "smbuser -a username"
10:31<sooperkuh>oops ..
10:31<jobbe>-bash: smbuser: command not found
10:31<sooperkuh>or was it smbpasswd?
10:31<roleohibachi>uh... dhclient command not found. i'm using damn small, still debian (not livecd)
10:31<sooperkuh>smbpasswd -a
10:31<witte>roleohibachi: damn small linux is not debian
10:32<roleohibachi>installed, it claimed to be... lol, sorry to trouble you.
10:32<jobbe>but how to add users?
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10:32<the-dude>jobbe: smbpaswd -a -e $username
10:33<jobbe>Failed to find user jobbe in passdb backend.
10:34<sooperkuh>jobbe :is there a unix user "jobbe" (grep jobbe /etc/passwd)?
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10:34<jobbe>no i dont think so
10:34<jobbe>only root and a user called debian
10:34<sooperkuh>you need one first
10:35<jobbe>just did adduser jobbe
10:35<jobbe>now i have user
10:36<jobbe>but it still dont work :/
10:37<jobbe>ahh now it work.. (forgot to add user in samba)
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10:50<wide>how can I restore/repopulate /var/cache/apt/* ? (etch)
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10:51<weasel>mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
10:51<weasel>apt-get update
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10:52<wide>thanks, was making partial file instead of directory and wasn't working
10:52<jobbe>can someone help me with PHP.. ?
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10:56<jobbe>i need to install php can someone help me?
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10:58<witte>jobbe: did you search for "install php debian" on google?
10:58<weasel>you might have heard of it
10:58<weasel>it's a website on the internet
10:58<weasel>you can use it to search for information
10:58<weasel>you should try it some time
10:59<jobbe>many times when i search google i get some bad tutorials and the are outdated etc etc
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10:59<weasel>it should give you some ideas tho.
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11:01<witte>jobbe: this should get you started: debian-administration is usually ok:
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11:01<Shy24M>hi all
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11:02<Shy24M>does anyone here have any certification in the linux/unix/solaris track? I'm considering taking a certification exam to further my knowledge in these systems but what would you think would be more beneficial in the corporate environment?
11:02<noname001>first link from google
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11:07<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
11:07<jere>I am facing md5 checksum errors with the 4.0r1 dvd image - not sure which package
11:08<jere>I downloaded the image from (tried http and torrent) - same result. Is the image broken?
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11:09<jred184_>what is the easiest way to try out lenny, what options do I have as far as installing? how realiable is apt-get dist-upgrade?
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11:09<valdyn>jere: are you sure you are using the right sums and checksumming the right file?
11:10<valdyn>jred184_: dist-upgrade as as reliable as packages make it
11:10<valdyn>jred184_: upgrading is always risky
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11:10<JasonS>jred184_: its a one way trip though
11:10<stew>jred184_: note that once you upgrade to lenny, there is no easy way back
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11:10<jere>I'm using what is provided on the dvd.. the installer asks me to check the dvd again.. there's no "skip" :(
11:10<valdyn>jred184_: if you have to ask you probably shouldnt do it, if you know your way around the debian system then its pretty safe
11:10<dino4k>why is there a libcurl3 but dev packages are libcurl4 ?
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11:11<jred184_>thanks valdyn
11:11<valdyn>jere: you can skip the image checking part
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11:11<valdyn>jere: no?
11:11<N1ghtCrawler>why cant i access my home folder via ftp when i set chmod 444? using vsftpd?
11:12<jere>no.. just "try again". I'll try expert mode setup
11:13<witte>N1ghtCrawler: because directories need excecute rights?
11:13<N1ghtCrawler>witte: really? Why :S
11:14<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: ls /path/to/dir uses the "r" bit, cd /path/to/dir uses the x bit
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11:14<witte>N1ghtCrawler: don't know why, just try "mkdir lalala;chmod 444 lalala;cd lalala"
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11:15<jere>cd-rom autodection is successful.. It fails loading the installer components
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11:16<jere>it reports: failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry? [Yes/No]
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11:17<valdyn>jere: so that disk is broken
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11:18<valdyn>jere: doesnt imply that the image on your harddisk is though
11:18<valdyn>jere: you may want to check the image before you burn it though
11:18<jere>you mean like in "the official image is broken"?
11:18<N1ghtCrawler>How do I make anther user able to write in a folder than the user? (when the owner got no rights to eright)?
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11:19<jere>I didn't burn it at all - I mounted it.. so I can exclude that as a possible cause ;-)
11:19<valdyn>jere: i see
11:19<valdyn>jere: so use the md5sums that debian provides and the md5sum utility
11:19<angryGhost>N1ghtCrawler: chmod ??
11:19<valdyn>!wikifaq N1ghtCrawler Permissions
11:19<jere>it doesn't tell me which package it cannot read
11:20<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: check the faq
11:20<jere>on tty4 i can see md5sum warnings.. but not the associated file
11:20<N1ghtCrawler>angryGhost: what should i set then? 564?
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11:20<valdyn>jere: you can verify the whole disk image...
11:20<jere>right. ok. will do
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11:22<angryGhost>N1ghtCrawler: check the man page: o+rw or g+rw depends group-settings
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11:25<N1ghtCrawler>uhh, all this premissions just spinning around in my head :S
11:25<jere>valdyn: md5 checksum for the iso image is okay
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11:26<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: google for "linux set gid" and (maybe) "sticky bit"
11:28<jere>I guess I'll stick with the netinst iso image.. but in a long term view I need an offline installation media too.. and I really don't like to carry around tons of CD-Rs
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11:29<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: but se gid or sitcku bit imo is all old stuff . i use (sometimes) vsftp with a normal kernel and (here comes the rain) in a vserver ;) i bet you'll like a vserver ...
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11:30<N1ghtCrawler>fxiny: what? o0
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11:32<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: don't like a vserver ? so xenify your box , too early for you ? take your time :)
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11:33<fxiny>and of course ftp must die :P
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11:33<fxiny>i'd use duplicity over ftp
11:34<N1ghtCrawler>fxiny: sometime i will set up so i have a viritual server, with viritua users, but now I only want to share files in a simple way
11:35<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: isntalling a vserver is easy , low resources . i run up to three vservers on a PII 400 . very nice stuff
11:35<N1ghtCrawler>hate to say it, but is real hard to fint anything of value on.
11:36<N1ghtCrawler>fxiny: yes, but it's overkill for now
11:36<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: i like this site :
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11:37<SpeedyG>hm, for the latest hardware support, what should I use, sid or lenny ?
11:38<fxiny>i'd start with lenny
11:38<SpeedyG>hm'kay :)
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11:39<SpeedyG>dunno what I used to run (until 10 minutes ago that is :P)
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11:39<SpeedyG>decided to reinstall, because of an enormous pile of junk on my system ;)
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11:47<N1ghtCrawler>I have just realized one of the biggest reasons why windows is helluva more used than linux, and probably will be a long time in the future
11:47<SpeedyG>you have?
11:47<N1ghtCrawler>Yepp, the users.
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11:48<N1ghtCrawler>In window you can ask a cuestion and sombody tells yo step by step how to preform the requested operation
11:48<N1ghtCrawler>like "klick start, do that and that.."
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11:49<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: i just gave you a link like that
11:49<N1ghtCrawler>When you ask a linux community its like "read the wiki/manpage"
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11:49<cahoot>yes it's tough
11:49<witte>N1ghtCrawler: we treath you as an adult not as an idiot
11:49<user01>what if you discover that a package is missing a dependency?
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11:50<user01>e-mail the package maintainer?
11:50<N1ghtCrawler>witte: maby some of the users ar what you think is idiots?
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11:50<dino4k>user01: report a but with the reportbug tool
11:50<dino4k>bug, not but :)
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11:50<fxiny>reportbug is a pretty nice tool
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11:50<witte>N1ghtCrawler: could be :-)
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11:51<cahoot>N1ghtCrawler: you think windowsusers are in essence illiterate
11:51<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: i *know* the wiki entry about Permissions, its excellent
11:51<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: so go and read it
11:51<user01>fo dvd-slideshow it is missing libsox as a dependency
11:51<N1ghtCrawler>i cant find it, the wiki sucks in plain english
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11:52<user01>it needs the sox ffmpeg one
11:52<valdyn>user01: report the bug
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11:52<witte>N1ghtCrawler: how *can't* you find it? are you just trolling here?
11:52<user01>how do i run the bug reporting tool? it usually just pops up when something breaks
11:53<valdyn>user01: run "reportbug" in a shell
11:53<fxiny>very easy just install it
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11:54<N1ghtCrawler>no witte is webdesign at it worst
11:54<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: or why dont you just use windows
11:54<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: debian does not need you
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11:54<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: #debian much less
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11:55<N1ghtCrawler>valdyn: Dont no how to handle critisism?
11:55<witte>N1ghtCrawler: there is a search box, and when you enter the magic word "permissions" it will give you two possibilities: devicepermissions or permissions
11:55<valdyn>N1ghtCrawler: i just handled it.
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11:56<N1ghtCrawler>valdyn: by telling me i'm not welcome?
11:56<stew>N1ghtCrawler: valdyn: please just drop it
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11:56<stew>N1ghtCrawler: if you have a more specific question, just ask it.
11:56<N1ghtCrawler>This is what i'm saying, this is why windows have a mutch lager userbase
11:56<stew>N1ghtCrawler: we're not really interested in the windows user base
11:57<N1ghtCrawler>stew i have, and i have got a cuuple of answers, no t the help that i asked for tought.
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11:57<cahoot>if there's one thing definitely can't complain about wrt linux it's the availability of googlable information from the very basic to quite advanced topics - and all for free - only cost is the time and energy you spend N1ghtCrawler
11:57<stew>N1ghtCrawler: what exactly are you having trouble with that you haven't yet gotten an answer to?
11:57<N1ghtCrawler>but hey, i cant make you help me
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11:58<stew>N1ghtCrawler: i'm willing to help you. just ask a question
11:58<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: windows is a product . debian is about freedom , do not critize freedom
11:58<valdyn>fxiny: heh
11:58<fxiny>valdyn: ;)
11:59<damian_>does anyone now how to set directx 8.1 in wine? because I installed 9.0c and i want to remove it to play portal and half-life2
11:59<damian_>or ani irc chanel for wine?
11:59<valdyn>damian_: maybe you should restart your ~/.wine from scratch
11:59<N1ghtCrawler>i have a folder that i want the owner to have no premissions to write, but i do want another user to have write premissions. How ho i solve it in the simplest way? I hav understood it have something to do with groups
12:00<valdyn>damian_: by deleting and reinstalling whatever..
12:00<valdyn>damian_: i dont know how to specifically deal with 9.0c being installed..
12:00<damian_>i have done that a million time
12:00<dino4k>damian_: i think it will not work to install directX under wine, IIRC directX is integrated in wine so you cant/shouldn't install it
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12:00<valdyn>damian_: why didnt you install dx9.0c ?
12:00<stew>N1ghtCrawler: make the file owned by some group that the second owner is in, and add the group write permission
12:00<valdyn>damian_: i mean, why did you
12:00<damian_>i have installed debian (i had kubuntu before whit the same issue
12:00<damian_>to see if the visual effects improves
12:00<stew>N1ghtCrawler: you change the group owner with chgrp and the permissions with chown
12:00<valdyn>damian_: its pointless.
12:01<damian_>it improves but it goes veryyy slow
12:01<valdyn>damian_: you lost h/w acceleration
12:01<damian_>not so slow i think
12:01<damian_>I read in internet and qhit directx9 it is normal
12:01<N1ghtCrawler>stew: that was exaktly the answer i was looking for, maby not exaktly how to do it, but how the "layout" should be
12:02<damian_>but i can't set it to 8 or 8.1
12:02<dino4k>stew, N1ghtCrawler : the owner would be able to set the the permissions back, right?
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12:02<dino4k>it doesnt make much sense to me to set that the owner have no write permission
12:02<damian_>the portal configuration says I've got 9.0+ even if i do wine Portal.exe -dxlevel 80
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12:02<damian_>or 81
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12:03<stew>N1ghtCrawler: dino4k:yes, the owner can change the permissions and give himself write permissions, if one doesn't want this, than this user should not be the owner
12:03<N1ghtCrawler>humm, you right.. The thing is i have a FTP account i do not want the user to have upload rights in his home filder, just to download
12:03<damian_>valdyn , any idea?
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12:04<dino4k>N1ghtCrawler: you can set him not as owner
12:04<dino4k>just set someone else as owner of the directory
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12:04<N1ghtCrawler>then i have to set me as owner.. and just have 755 on the directory then
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12:05<dino4k>would be chown your_user folder
12:05<dino4k>probalby you want -r to set it to all folders and files within the folder
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12:07<damian_>does anyone know a wine chanel?
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12:08<N1ghtCrawler>good, now it works as intended. Thank you very much guys for the help i got. and i really like debian. Running windows on my server is not an option
12:09<fxiny>you sure ? can your user delete your files ?
12:09<dino4k>damian_: google wispered me: #winehq at
12:09<damian_>yes but there is noone
12:09<stew>damian_: on try /msg chanserv list #wine*
12:09<damian_>or i can't connect
12:09<dino4k>damian_: #winehq: Total of 172 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 170 normal]
12:09<stew>damian_: there are 172 users in that channel
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12:10<damian_>thanks it's working now
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12:10<user01>how do i know if a package is truly a dependency?
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12:12<user01>i mean say you have a media player . . . say you dont install the vorbis codec, and it doesnt run ogg because of that that doesnt mean vorbis is a dependency
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12:13<user01>dvd-slideshow depends on sox and ffmpeg, but it doesnt depend on libsox-fmt-ffmpeg which links the two, so even the simplest slideshow wont compile
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12:15<weasel>W: Unable to locate package libsox-fmt-ffmpeg
12:15<weasel>thanks for playing.
12:15<user01>oh well ill have the package maintainer decide i guess
12:15<user01>weasel, eh i have testing
12:16<user01>it is there
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12:16<user01>weasel, it is in multimedia
12:17<N1ghtCrawler>can i set right so a user have tha ability to create new files but no premissions to remove?
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12:17<weasel>not really, no.
12:17<user01>weasel, Pascal Giard is the maintainer
12:17<fxiny>aptitude -D shows dependencies , see if this helps : aptitude -s install -D dvd-slideshow
12:17<aptitude>You are moron #1, fxiny
12:17<fxiny>i love it
12:18<weasel>N1ghtCrawler: you can set the directory +t tho.
12:18<fxiny>sticky bit ;)
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12:19<N1ghtCrawler>weasel: "Save program text on swap device" ?
12:20<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: 17:26 < fxiny> N1ghtCrawler: google for "linux set gid" and (maybe) "sticky bit"
12:20<fxiny>but again is old stuff
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12:57<ServerSide>so someone know how i can increase my mouse speed?
13:00<cahoot> xset m 10 1
13:00<wander>what? O_o
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13:04<ServerSide>rofl cahoot, lmao + thx
13:05<ServerSide>but .. anyway to have it less speedy? :D
13:05<cahoot> xset m default
13:05<cahoot> xset m 5 1 - might be more useful
13:05<ServerSide>thanks a lot :)
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13:16<klaes>dpkg, cpufreq
13:16<dpkg>i guess cpufreq is a patch ( to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle.
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13:19<klaes>hey guys, got a little problem here with cpufreq... in fact, the problem is, that no matter what speed step utility I use, it wont work, I think I have found out that its because i dont have any frequency scaling goveners, or anything else like it... /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ exists, but not ./cpufreq/ and I cant even make it as root or anything :S
13:20<klaes>any ideas how i can get it to come up? didnt have problems before i formatted... :S
13:20<klaes>reinstalled just a few days ago, and i got 9 steppings on my cpu, lol
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13:21<klaes>in fact, none of the services want to start without those files in there...
13:22<klaes>(says operation not permitted when i try to make the folder "cpufreq" even)
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14:14<TB>anyone out there?
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14:16<JasonS>TB: out where?
14:16<SpeedyG>there, where else? :D
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14:16<valdyn>klando: install cpufrequtils and read /etc/default/cpufrequtils
14:17[~]JasonS starts humming a pink floyd song now
14:17<onefeather>hi guys this is new to me
14:17<valdyn>onefeather: see /topic
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14:22<fxiny>who said pink floyd ?
14:22<TB>sorry, new here and was just trying to help a friend get signed on
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14:23<JasonS>fxiny: me
14:24<fxiny>JasonS: yahhhh . i've seen it , good stuff , ummagumma rulex ;)
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14:34<JW>Getting config symbol errors when make menuconfig for a new kernel using a debian etch 4.0r0 CD set at 2.6.18+6. Any inputs to resolve?
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14:36<JW>Trying to build my 1st kernel, can anyone help?
14:36<alex>hello all, I've been trying to run 64-bit guest under hvm in Xen, on a 64bit host, but so far no success, hvm guest starts only in 32 bit mode. What should I fix?
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14:37<Orijin4l>how can i see what my current cpu usage is from ssh?
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14:38<JasonS>Orijin4l: top
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14:38<fxiny>JasonS: hahahah i've scrolled up a bit : comfortably numb ! , heheheh
14:39<joshrulez2>thanks JasonS
14:39<Orijin4l>thanks JasonS
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14:40<Orijin4l>hmmm, im on a 500mhz processor
14:40<Orijin4l>and its reporting Cpu(s): 1.3%us, 1.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
14:40<TB>hi guys... we are new here and are trying to build debian for a specialized project. can anyone help?
14:40<Orijin4l>doesnt that seem very low?
14:41<TB>no one?
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14:42<doodoo>someone is advanced in Perl
14:43<doodoo>i'm sorry for my english
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14:43<fxiny>perl takes two lifes to learn properly
14:43<doodoo>someone know Perl?
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14:44<fxiny>for you informatiuon there are monks on chan , not me :)
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14:44<doodoo>so maybe my future child will be the best in perl
14:44<andrem>hi, how I configure reportbug in the ?
14:44<Orijin4l>does ShoutCast server have a debian package?
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14:46<fxiny>perl has no end . have you read Larry Wall >
14:46<fxiny>very nice
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14:47<kevin>Does anyone know of a guide that will tell you how to get torrents to work in Debian?
14:47<fxiny>torrents ? a client ? i use rtorrent
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14:48<lupine_85>ktorrent for KDE dudes who liek the pretty
14:48<JasonS>kevin: btdownloadcurses here
14:48<JasonS>pretty straightforward
14:48<fxiny>we WERE pretty ohhhh yes
14:50<fxiny>where is the curse(s) one ? lenny ?
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14:50<kevin>JasonS: I don't understand. Is that a bash command?
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14:51<JasonS>kevin: yes mine is cmd line but some of the other suggestions werent
14:52<fxiny>like aria2 ?
14:52<fxiny>can't get aria2 working
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14:54<kevin>JasonS: Is it the gnome-btdownload package?
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14:55<JasonS>kevin: didnt think it was, fact when in installed i know it wasnt, wonder what the actual package name is
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14:56<fxiny>could be rtorrent
14:56<fxiny>curses ...
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14:57<JasonS>fxiny: possibly
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15:00<kevin>JasonS: I have rtorrent installed. It can't connect to any of the torrent servers.
15:00<JasonS>not necessarily the app at fault kevin
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15:01<N1ghtCrawler>where is the list of vaild shells?
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15:01<kevin>JasonS: Yeah, I figured. No torrent program I've tried seems to be able to connect.
15:02<JasonS>kevin: isp blocking?
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15:02<N1ghtCrawler>wander: thanks
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15:03<kevin>JasonS: No, it wouldn't be my ISP. I've been able to get torrents before, but I had encryption then. Does rtorrent have encryption?
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15:06<N1ghtCrawler>kevin yepp it does
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15:06<kevin>Well, darn.
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15:07<oddtod>hey guys if i run a mem test on ram how many passs does it need to go in order for me to be satisfied with the tests?
15:07<ifvoid>uh well
15:07<ifvoid>that depends
15:07<N1ghtCrawler>kevin: here's the default config file
15:07<ifvoid>on how quickly you're satisfied
15:07<N1ghtCrawler>you see what to uncomment
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15:10<kevin>NightCrawler: Sorry for the stupid question, but where is the rtorrent.rc?
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15:11<kevin>NightCrawler: Nevermind, just need to read.
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15:14<TB>is there anyone here that can answer a question about building a kernel in
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15:14<TB>or that *will* answer?
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15:15<oddtod>just as k the question
15:15<TB>i am asking for a friend who can't be on right now
15:16<TB>so i will try to relay the question
15:16<TB>i am calling him right now.
15:17<cahoot>the suspense is getting intolerable
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15:17<TB>tell me about it.
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15:17<TB>he is in florida and i am in wisconsin
15:17<TB>i see he just popped up on chat
15:17<TB>maybe he will come in here
15:18<TB>it relates to menuconfig when building the kernel
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15:18<TB>here he is.
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15:19<bkw>I use Option "MonitorLayout" "LFP,DFP" Option "Clone" "true" Option "DevicePresence" "true" to clone my laptop screen to a external VGA. But for some reason the resolution of the laptop becomes decreased :( Can I specify the resolution I want on local screen and on external VGA?
15:19<cahoot>bkw: use xrandr
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15:20<bkw>cahoot, would that do what I want?
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15:21<cahoot>bkw: if you have xrandr-1.2 I'd think so
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15:21<cahoot> might give some hints
15:21<bkw>cahoot, should I keep those three lines in my xorg.conf if even if I want to use xrandr?
15:21<bkw>ok, I'll check that link.
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15:24<JW>getting symbol errors from make menuconfig making kernel using 2.6.18 - anyone have suggestions?
15:25<TB>cahoot...can you help with questions about building the kernel?
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15:25<cahoot>kernel-package and build-essential installed?
15:25<JasonS>TB: you building your own fork off of debian?
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15:26<JW>think so - using apt-get?
15:26<TB>JW is woeking on it
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15:26<jobbe>hello again
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15:27<jobbe>witte that ping thing to keep my connection active did not work :/
15:27<jobbe>i lost my connection
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15:27<JasonS>jobbe: get a better connection? keep an im client or irc client open?
15:27<TB>Jason, JW is trying to build a version of debian for a specialized project we are working on
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15:28<TB>but apparently having a problem building the kernel, with those errors he mentioned above
15:28<jobbe>jasonS i can't get a better connection.. and my server uses console mode so i cant use irc or IM
15:28<JasonS>TB: not to be rude (really) but why help someone fork off of debian?
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15:28<TB>i don't think he is building a fork off debian at all
15:29<TB>at least not the way i understand it
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15:29<TB>i am sorry if i implied that
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15:29<JW>No fork, just make kernel with support we need
15:29<cahoot>jobbe: irssi in a screen session?
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15:30<JasonS>jobbe: sure you can use irc or an im in text mode
15:30<cahoot>JW: missing libncurses-dev ? (a common cause of trouble with menuconfig)
15:31<jobbe>cahoot im looking for a program that don't needs's to be open just run i background
15:31<cahoot>jobbe: irssi in a screen session
15:31<jobbe>jasons same to you
15:31<lupine_85>yep, that's irssik + screen
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15:31<JW>resolved that problem earlier with apt-get install libncurses5-dev
15:32<witte>jobbe: maybe the isp needs traffic on port 80
15:32<cahoot>JW: ok my expertize exhausted
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15:32<JW>that allowed make menuconfig to run ok, but listed 20 or so symbol errors
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15:32<lupine_85>an example error would be nice
15:32<witte>jobbe: do you get logged out when you only use bittorrent, skype or something similar
15:33<TB>can you guys suggest someone on this channel that might know more about this cahoot?
15:33<jobbe>i just need to have traffic on internet
15:33<cahoot>jobbe: so try what's suggested
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15:34<witte>change the ping in the crontab with wget if you do not want to use irc in a screen
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15:34<cahoot>jobbe: aptitude show screen might clear up any doubts
15:34<JW>only thing not verified is package linux-essential, synaptic package manager failed on search
15:35<witte>jobbe: or you can apt-get update every 15 minutes :-)
15:35<lupine_85>don't do that
15:35<lupine_85>mirrors are expensive
15:36<cahoot>JW: meaning build-essential?
15:36<witte>lupine_85: you are right, he can better bug his isp
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15:36<lupine_85>wgetting the ISP's homepage every 15 minutes is the best idea so far
15:36<lupine_85>-o /dev/null of course
15:36<JasonS>or dont run a webserver off your home connection
15:36<JW>will try build-essential and see if that is something debian understands
15:36<jobbe>i need to know my macaddres to my lan card in my computer.. is the ifcongi enought?
15:37<lupine_85>ifconfig shows it
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15:38<jobbe>becaus i can sign up for something called "always on" on my ISP website so that the mac automatic start the internet connection.
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15:38<jobbe>what is the mac?
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15:40<cahoot> HWaddr 00:00:21:F8:5D:F6
15:41<jobbe>okay ty
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15:41<jobbe>now i signed up for that always on.. so now i hope that it works :D
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15:41<jobbe>i also got the PHP5 working ^^,
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15:46<tranger3>alguem poderia me ajudar ???
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15:46<tranger3>Qdo eu instalo o proftpd ele da o seguinte erro
15:46<tranger3>tarting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: LoadModule: error loading module 'mod_lang.c': Permission denied on line 38 of '/etc/proftpd/modules.conf'
15:46<tranger3> failed!
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15:48<chealer>!tell tranger3 about pt
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16:01<jobbe>anyone know how to add a user in mysql in debian
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16:04<Nemoder>I believe it uses system users, so: adduser yourusername
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16:12<jobbe>nemoder okay
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16:13<jobbe>hmm when i try connect to the database then i get ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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16:15<jobbe>LOL now i know why i cant connect.. the server is not installed
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16:39<Ric84>anyone using compiz here?
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16:43<Ric84>i'm running AIGLX capable drivers (7.12 fglrx) on sid but compiz-fusion-git reports that my system doesn't support texture_from_pixmap
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16:56<luciano_uisk>i am trying to set up my audio device, but when i try to open alsamixer it pop up this message
16:56<luciano_uisk>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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16:57<luciano_uisk>i tried to recompile alsa driver, alsa lib and alsa utils
16:57<luciano_uisk>and it didnt popped up any errors, ..
16:57<luciano_uisk>anyone could help me?
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16:58<joshrulez2>for some reaon i suddenly can no longer login as root in debian
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16:59<joshrulez2>would anyone no why?
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17:03<blarson>joshrulez2: Not without more information. Why don't you tell us?
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17:04<joshrulez2>ive been loging into the server fine as root, but recently i tried again and it just say access denied, i can still login as users
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17:05<petemc>grep -i root /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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17:06<Orijin4l>PermitRootLogin yes
17:06<Orijin4l>im sshed into his server
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17:06<Orijin4l>but in as a normal user, and not added to sudoers
17:07<Orijin4l>i catted /etc/passwd
17:07<Orijin4l>and the line has an x, so there is still a password set
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17:07<Orijin4l>tris@azaroth:/var/log$ grep -i root /etc/passwd
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17:10<Orijin4l>any ideas?
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17:15<ifvoid>Orijin4l: you didn't actually ask a question
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17:16<Orijin4l>i was adding to joshrulez2 question
17:16<Orijin4l>we are on the same box
17:16<ifvoid>oh right
17:16<ifvoid>oh, ssh as root
17:16<Orijin4l><Orijin4l> im sshed into his server
17:16<Orijin4l>no, i am sshed as me
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17:16<ifvoid>yes, I encoutered the same problem this afternoon
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17:16<Orijin4l><Orijin4l> im sshed into his server
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17:16<Orijin4l><Orijin4l> but in as a normal user, and not added to sudoers
17:16<ifvoid>haven't been able to figure it out
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17:16<Orijin4l>how did you fix it? single user mode?
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17:17<ifvoid>haven't fixed it yes
17:17<ifvoid>logging in as roto isn't very good practice anyway
17:17<Orijin4l>you would suggest sudo?
17:17<ifvoid>I just needed it to rsycn some stuff, but I just tarred that over in the end
17:17<ifvoid>Orijin4l: yeah, or just su
17:17<Orijin4l>well i do
17:18<Orijin4l>i log in as me
17:18<ifvoid>whatever you like
17:18<Orijin4l>then su to root
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17:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:21<qoa0>anyone know if there are non-free nvidia drivers for sid?
17:21<qoa0>or rather, sid
17:21<chealer>qoa0: yes
17:22<chealer>qoa0: what?
17:22<qoa0>i am running testing, that is called sid right?
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17:22<Gathond>sid is unstable
17:22<qoa0>oh, im getting all confused
17:22<Gathond>testing it currently lenny I believe
17:22<qoa0>i see
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17:23<qoa0>sorry then, correction, are there working nvidia non-free drivers for lenny?
17:23<Gathond>sid had a non-free nvidia driver last time I tried it
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17:23<Gathond>well until I suspend my machine the sid one worked, it can't wake from suspend though, so I tossed the POS:)
17:24<chealer>qoa0: the nvidia drivers aren't in lenny, but if I remember correctly it is possible to use stable's drivers on lenny.
17:25<qoa0>so just follow the directions on there?
17:25<qoa0>nemoder, so nothing eh?
17:26<qoa0>there were working drivers until the new kernel, which was a while ago, never had time to mess around with it though
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17:26<Nemoder>I use nvidia's installer with a custom kernel, have to update it manually though
17:26<jobbe>YES! i got apache, php5 and mysql working ^^,.. also phpmyadmin ^^,
17:26<chealer>qoa0: no. as written, it's outdated and only supports stable currentlt.
17:27<qoa0>only real problem i have using nv is that sometimes my mouse disappears
17:28<qoa0>i think i tried the fixes prescribed on the forums, but still keeps happening
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17:28<qoa0>i guess i will keep looking for a fix, until a new release comes out?
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17:30<noname001>as longest I know there is nothing like nvidia for sid it is only nvidia for particular kernel
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17:30<dli>qoa0, did you try nouveau?
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17:31<qoa0>no dli, let me look into that
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17:32<qoa0>from source?
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17:33<dli>qoa0, yes, nouveau is aiming to replace nv, which is hopeless
17:33<qoa0>i hate nv
17:33<qoa0>stupid mouse
17:33<dli>qoa0, I had fuzzy full screen video playback with nv
17:34<qoa0>how bad is debian stable?
17:34<qoa0>not even testing
17:35<noname001>it is just stable :)
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17:35<qoa0>i mean, how long does it take for programs to get called "stable"
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17:37<dli>qoa0, you can help them by testing it
17:37<qoa0>helo who, nouveau?
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17:38<qoa0>honestly, i am now considering going back to stable
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17:38<noname001>what for
17:38<noname001>try to compile kernel by yourself
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17:39<noname001>download nvidia drivers from
17:39<noname001>and install it
17:39<dli>qoa0, sometimes it's a name only, debian testing is usually more stable than ubuntu stable
17:40<qoa0>perhaps you are right
17:40<chealer>noname001: why would he compile kernel?
17:40<chealer>qoa0: programs get called stable whenever there's a new release
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17:40<noname001>I think I have missed first part of this konversation
17:41<noname001>I am not sure but I am doing this in little bit different way . I mean I hve my own kernel with nvidia module
17:41<vook>I recently had sort of a mess with an upgrade, and in the process, gnome-desktop-env was "broken" (even though gnome-session still worked fine). Debian defaulted to XFCE. Everything has been corrected, but XFCE is still default. How to properly change it back?
17:41<noname001>and after I download drivers from and configure this thing by myself
17:41<noname001>not in debian-way
17:41<qoa0>hmm i see
17:42<dli>vook, what default? "?dm"? startx ?
17:42<qoa0>ah i see chealer
17:42<vook>dli: startx
17:42<vook>I don't have a .wmstyle
17:42<dli>noname001, if you use nvidia, you will become a driver expert :(
17:42<dli>vook, edit your ~/.xinitrc
17:44<noname001>sorry I think I have missed first part of this
17:44<noname001>like I said
17:44<noname001>qoa0: are you trying to install nvidia drivers in your system or what ?
17:45<noname001>etch you mean
17:45<noname001>tor lenny
17:45<qoa0>lenny i think
17:45<dli>qoa0, yes, use the installer
17:45<qoa0>try it?
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17:45<dli>qoa0, for some reason, #debian doesn't mention the way
17:46<vook>dli: do you know how to globally change the default ? .xinitrc doesn't exist, and /etc/X11/xinitrc just points to another file.
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17:46<noname001>type in lsmod and check your nvidia module in your kernel
17:46<qoa0>just gonna ask that :)
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17:47<dli>vook, no need to make global, better to get user based, create ~/.xinitrc
17:47<qoa0>would nforce2 be it?
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17:47<dli>qoa0, I guess so
17:48<noname001>ok my friends sorry , but I have no time now for it thanks for a chat...
17:48<dli>!nvidia legacy
17:48<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia legacy is bloody confusing - see
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17:54<qoa0>lmao that site is telling me that my drivers should already come with linux or something
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18:00<tab>hey, how would I configure GRUB to boot up windows on a seperate hard drive
18:00<tab>the windows hard drive is slave
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18:08<zipper>Is it possible to install debian (server) on a machine that has internet access, but no monitor?
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18:09<zipper>you know where i can find the info i need to do it?
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18:12<wander>you mean that you have ssh access or you have this machine?
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18:14<wander>if you have this machine, then turn on some monitor, install linux and after that turn off monitor
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18:14<chealer>qoa0: no, that page is about the nforce drivers, not the video card drivers.
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18:20<jars_>wie sehe ich mein hostnamen und dern port
18:20<jars_>unter ubuntu
18:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:21<zipper>wander, thats not exactly what i would call "install without a monitor" =)
18:23<ds>hi all. i get- APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) - I put noapic in kernel line in menu.lst but error persists upon reboot
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18:24<zipper>ds, i believe 'noacpi' was replaced with acpi=off... or maybe it was the other way around, cant remember
18:24<zipper>worth a try
18:24<ds>apic, not acpi. thanks tho
18:25<dli>ds, you can use both: "noapic acpi=off"
18:26<zipper>apic... you mean as in the interrupt controller?
18:26<ds>but i thought you could still use acpi without using the apic
18:26<zipper>and not the power management system?
18:26<ds>zipper: yeah. the apic is throwing me errors and i can't turn it off
18:27<zipper>"When booting Linux, APIC can be disabled using the 'noapic' kernel boot argument."
18:27<zipper>from wikipedia
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18:27<ds>zipper: which is exactly what i did, but it's still being enabled for some odd reason
18:28<Ric84>i have a strange issue with network manager on sid
18:28<zipper>ds, if you try to add acpi=off it should use APM instead.... less features, but generally "just works(tm)"
18:28<dli>ds, is there a bios update or something?
18:28<Ric84>when i click on my wireless network to connect
18:28<Ric84>it fails
18:28<Ric84>no error, just some kind of timeout
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18:29<Ric84>but if i request an ip with dhclient i can connect successfully
18:29<Ric84>and browse the net
18:29<ds>dli: haven't done anything with the bios. it's a new laptop and i don't want to noodle around too much yet
18:29<Ric84>so nm sets up my card correctly
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18:29<Ric84>and somehow fails to retrieve the ip
18:29<ds>zipper: i'm not sure i want to disable acpi yet. it's very handy
18:29<Ric84>any way to have a verbose output?
18:30<dli>Ric84, do it manually
18:30<dli>Ric84, read dmesg/syslog
18:30<zodman>Ric84: check de .xsession-error and the /var/log/syslog
18:30<zodman>Ric84: check de .xsession-error on your home and the /var/log/syslog
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18:31<Ric84>dmesg shows nothing wrong
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18:32<Ric84>how do i read the syslog output? is that dmesg?
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18:32<Ric84>i'm an idiot
18:32<Ric84>forget it :D
18:32<dli>Ric84, like tail /var/log/syslog
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18:35<zipper>ds, i'm a bit rusty on this subject, but there are databases out there that contain DSDT(or others, not sure which one you need) tables for different laptops
18:36<zipper>ds, might fix the problems you're having
18:36<Ric84>Dec 24 00:33:13 portatile avahi-daemon[3526]: Registering new address record for fe80::219:d2ff:fe79:bcce on eth1.*.
18:36<Ric84>then "no ipv6 routers present"
18:36<Ric84>then nothing else
18:36<Ric84>why is it trying to use ipv6?
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18:37<ds>zipper: i hoped it wouldn't come to that. may be my next resort. i just don't understand when i try to disable apic, it stays enabled... bummer
18:37<Ric84>didn't thought i'd get kicked for pasting a single line
18:38<Ric84>did you read it?
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18:39<zipper>ds, mhm, should be possible to disable just apic, but i'm not sure it is with acpi running.... apparently it isnt
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18:39<Ric84>Registering new address record for fe80::219:d2ff:fe79:bcce
18:39<xxxhdhfd>i am about to daul boot ubuntu 7.10 with 6.04.. can this be done? or will it erase my 6.04 install...
18:39<Ric84>no ipv6 routers present
18:40<Ric84>then nothing else
18:40<zipper>xxxhdhfd, it will only erase your earlier install if you tell it to do so. It's entirely possible to have seperate versions installed, just put each on its own partition
18:40<ds>zipper: thought sure i had to do that on another box once, but maybe i did have to acpi=off also
18:41<xxxhdhfd>will it auto config grub to show both?
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18:42<qoa0>chealer, my video card is called nforce i think, no?
18:42<chealer>qoa0: no. nforce is a motherboard chipset.
18:42<ServerSide>mh do you know where i can find vncviewer?
18:42<chealer>xxxhdhfd: this is a Debian support channel. ask support from your vendor.
18:42<zipper>xxxhdhfd, it should, but im not 100% sure
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18:43<qoa0>if i do an lsmod, where should i look to find driver information?
18:43<chealer>qoa0: what kind of driver information?
18:43<qoa0>like what it is
18:43<qoa0>what card i have
18:43<qoa0>what video card
18:44<chealer>qoa0: that's not lsmod's role. you may be thinking about lspci.
18:44<qoa0>ahh haha ok
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18:46<qoa0> thanks chealer, bbs
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18:48<zipper>Is it possible to install debian (server) on a machine that has internet access, but no monitor? i.e, a 100% automated or perhaps ssh assisted?
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18:48<dli>zipper, yes
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18:49<dli>zipper, pxe, dhcp boot, FAI installation
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18:54<dwad> /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout
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18:54<baloo>Hmm, debtorrent is really neat.
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18:57<dwad>how stable is debtorrent?
18:58<baloo>Pretty stable.
18:59<baloo>Faster than using the mirrors on packages everybody and their brother has, though it can be a tad slow on obscure packages from unofficial servers.
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19:04<JasonS>keep trying oscar you'll get it one day
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19:13<zipper>dli, you know where i can find some info about these things?
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19:15<dli>zipper, FAI project
19:15<dli>zipper, they are experts
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19:21<zipper>dli, searching google for fai project brings me to some spanish website?
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19:21<zipper>nvm, think i found the right one
19:21<dpkg>an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site:
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20:43<TBBle>Is there a program for executing .desktop files? Wine's been creating them for me, but I don't use a window manager that supports them natively.
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20:47<Nemoder>it's just a small text file, you could probably write a bash script to pull out the exec= line pretty easily
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20:55<dondelelcaro>baloo: uh... it's portmap actually which you need to change, and it's given in /etc/default/portmap
20:56<TBBle>Oh, cool. I assumed it was going to chdir first or something, but it doesn't need to.
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21:07<agus>#join debian-es
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21:24<baloo>Wow, NFS got easy
21:25<agus>somebody knows why ardour or audacity make saturated audio captures when i record at the same time that I play???
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21:34<istoc>Hi, are there any ways to ban IPs on failed ssh logins? I've looked for stuff in the sshd config file and iptables but can't find anything.
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21:34<blarson>istoc: fail2ban
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21:36<istoc>Cool, thanks guys, Ill check them out
21:37<istoc>Anyone know if you can use dynamic host names as "safe hosts" in iptables?
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21:42<kop>Not too long ago, I could use Open Office and put a formula in a cell, copy the cell, and paste it into multiple cells. Now a dialog comes up about hanlding text. Is my system borked? Is there a way to paste a single formula into multiple cells? I'm running etch.
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21:48<linuxguy>Hi there........Im a newbie to Debian Etch, i need some help please instaling an Nvidia driver
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21:49<agus>kop: I don't really use it but I' am no etch too, on oo and it can't paste in multiple cells... a few days ago i rembember i install an update from debian security. Maybe it is related
21:49<agus>kop: i'don't use "calc"
21:50<agus>kop: the update was for OO
21:50<agus>kop: and it was pretty large
21:51<blarson>!tell linuxguy about nvidia
21:51<kop>agus : I think it is update related. I'll look to see if it's a bug. But first I'm going to do another update, which means a new kernel and reboot.
21:52<kop>!tell linuxguy about ask
21:53<linuxguy>blarsom.......i can get so far but then i get error messages returned
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21:53<linuxguy>ah i see...its not a community here....its an ask thing?
21:54<baloo>linuxguy: No, the community expectation is to ask smart questions.
21:55<linuxguy>ah ok baloo.....and cannot ask me what is wrong with the nvidai problem then?
21:56<baloo>linuxguy: Have you already read and understood the information provided?
21:57<linuxguy>baloo......yes ive got the information, and yes i understand it, it works to a point (the driver install) then i get errors....hence me asking for help ...seee 1st post
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21:57<agus>linuxguy: #aptitude install kernel-nvidia-$(uname -r)
21:57<baloo>linuxguy: OK, where are you stuck, then?
21:58<baloo>And feel free to use pastebin if you need to provide lots of output
21:58<agus>linuxguy: then in section device change de "nv" to "nvidia"
21:58<agus>linuxguy: but you will need the contrib repository
22:00<linuxguy>baloo.....okIm following the instructionshere apt-get install linux-source-2.16.18 (my kernel) thats fine next line says go to here /cd/usr/src and then to tar -jxvf linux-source-2.6.18 .......i get errors saying it cant be found
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22:00<baloo>Try hitting tab to autocomplete filenames.
22:01<baloo>cd /usr/src ; tar -jxvf linux<hit tab>
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22:03<linuxguy>agus...Ballo.....are the instructions i have poor then?..and its causing me to make errors?
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22:04<baloo>linuxguy: No, odds are something was missed or not fully understood, if you followed the instructions in the URL dpkg gave you.
22:04<linuxguy>I really dpo want to work with Debian but i need the nvidia driver working properly and not get the constant screen twitching
22:04<agus>what exactly happend?
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22:06<agus>linuxguy: do you compile your own module o do you download a preimage?
22:07<linuxguy>baloo......i did not get the instructions from dpkg.....i got them from
22:08<baloo>linuxguy: Try the one you just got from dpkg in private message
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22:08<linuxguy>agus......Im not sure what i do....I just follow instructions for apt get from whatever debian recommend to do
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22:13<linuxguy>baloo......ive read what dpkg has said and im printing it all off from the link now :)
22:14<baloo>linuxguy: Just a tip for the future: Generally speaking, electronic documentation is often easier to use than printed, since you can use various tools like find-in-page or grep to search within the document, and the electronic version frequently updates.
22:16<baloo>Plus there's the whole issue of mowing down my local forests and compressing them into thin sheets of pulp when I'd rather camp in 'em....
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22:18<linuxguy>baloo....thanks for your help......btw......i only use recycled paper :)
22:23<baloo>Heh, between the pacific northwest being among the world's leading virgin paper producing regions, we're also among the world's leading producers of recycled paper.
22:23<baloo>There's quite a few cities that stink permanently of wet fart from recycled paper mills 'round here...
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22:42<linuxguy>hhmm.....ive followed those instructions to the letter and erm at this point here > m-a auto-install nvidia it gives me error message saying something is missing :(
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22:44<linuxguy>Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
22:44<linuxguy>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
22:44<linuxguy>is only available from another source
22:44<linuxguy> thats what i get :(
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22:49<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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22:49<streuner>read wiki.d.o
22:50<xxxhdhfd>i just installed the NV display driver in ubuntu 7.10 and when linux starts its a black screen..... like some kind of lock up?
22:51<blarson>xxxhdhfd: This isn't an ubuntu support channel.
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23:13[~]baloo wonders how debtorrent gets seede
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23:17<ds>i put noapic in menu.lst, but apic is still enabled. did that to me in etch and now lenny...
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