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---Logopened Mon Dec 24 00:00:12 2007
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01:25<sortadi>hi there
01:26<sortadi>I've been experiencing this problem with aptitude latel, after a full-upgrade:
01:26<sortadi>sorry, I didn't mean to use '?' at the end
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01:36<gsimmons>sortadi: Sounds like you've hit bug #454426.
01:37<sortadi>gsimmons, let me check bts then
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01:42<sortadi>gsimmons, it seems the bug remains unsolved and rarely seen
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01:55<Supaplex>!buginfo 454426
01:56<Supaplex>aptitude: ping
01:56<Supaplex>aptitude: buginfo 454426
01:56<aptitude>i don't know, Supaplex
01:56<Supaplex>aptitude: bug 454426
01:56<aptitude>Supaplex: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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01:57<niru>hello Supaplex
01:57<niru>Supaplex, how do you do
01:59<Supaplex>i'm good
02:00<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: your bot is MIA
02:00<niru>Supaplex, I ahve downloaded lenny repo
02:00<niru>and also d-i source from svn from the trunk
02:01<niru>both follow the same kernel ie 2.6.22-3
02:01<niru>but after cd building shows kernel mismatch
02:01<niru>is there any problem with d-i source
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02:01<Supaplex>sounds like a #debian-boot question.
02:01<niru>am I taking the correct source
02:02<niru>Supaplex, at present no one is avaialble in debian-boot to answer me
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02:02<Supaplex>sorry niru, I have no idea myself.
02:02<jamesstilwell3rd>Can anyone tell me how to install kde inside a chroot ?
02:02<niru>Supaplex, ok
02:02<Supaplex>jamesstilwell3rd: just kde?
02:03<Supaplex>sounds like /msg aptitude chroot install
02:03<Supaplex>but that applies to debian base.
02:03<Supaplex>aptitude: where's dpkg?
02:03<aptitude>no idea, Supaplex
02:03<jamesstilwell3rd>I'm working with lh_build and it's giving me a time.
02:03<Supaplex>it's in /usr/bin duh! but not on #debian. hah
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02:04<Supaplex>lh_build? live-helper?
02:04<Supaplex>afaik, the man page covers installing a normal system with kde, or gnome, or whathaveyou
02:04<Supaplex>I'm out of the loop on that
02:05<jamesstilwell3rd>I'm trying to figure out how to do more fine-grained tweaking.
02:05<Supaplex>I gave some fun patches, but that was like a year ago
02:05<jamesstilwell3rd>kde is my first test case.
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02:05<Supaplex>no longer my forte I'm afraid
02:05<jamesstilwell3rd>room suggestion?
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02:05<Supaplex>my pillow and bed look mighty inviting right now though :)
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02:06<Supaplex>try searching the mailing list, or for irc logs
02:06<Supaplex>aptitude: make-live
02:06<aptitude>debian-live is probably in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:
02:06<Supaplex>aptitude: factinfo make-live
02:06<aptitude>make-live -- created by \amethyst <> at Tue Aug 7 19:04:25 2007 (138 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by Supaplex, 34s ago.
02:07<Supaplex>odd. I thought I created that one. *shrug*
02:07<jamesstilwell3rd>My end goal is a frugal CF install image
02:07<Supaplex>and it was more than a few mo ago
02:08<Supaplex>I think my goal for the time being is, sleep. good luck jamesstilwell3rd :)
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02:08<jamesstilwell3rd>Supaplex: thank you
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02:11<jamesstilwell3rd>aptitude: factinfo live-magic
02:11<aptitude>jamesstilwell3rd: there's no such factoid as live-magic
02:11<jamesstilwell3rd>aptitude: factinfo lh_build
02:11<aptitude>there's no such factoid as lh_build, jamesstilwell3rd
02:12<jamesstilwell3rd>aptitude: factinfo fll
02:12<aptitude>jamesstilwell3rd: there's no such factoid as fll
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02:14<hachi>anyone know how to get a modern acpi laptop to suspend to disk when battery hits a certain point?
02:16<jamesstilwell3rd>there's a gui in kde
02:16<hachi>no X
02:18<jamesstilwell3rd>hachi: I'm digging, hang on...
02:19<hachi>no worries, no hurry. Thanks for looking
02:19<hachi>I'm looking too of course
02:19<jamesstilwell3rd>what kernel?
02:19<hachi>found some package 'powersave' on rpm machines, seeing if it's appropriate or not
02:20<hachi>2.6.22, though I'm pretty sure the answer lies in just adjusting the acpid
02:20<jamesstilwell3rd>I use and it works. Now I am curious because I've always relied on the GUI
02:21<jamesstilwell3rd>various modules (fglrx) don't like it much on my system, however.
02:22<hachi>everything works great right now, I just need it to suspend itself at like 5% battery
02:22<hachi>far too often will I continue working ignoring the alarm
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02:23<jamesstilwell3rd>beyond me for now.
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02:41<blubberdiblub>hachi: what about the package hibernate? maybe there's functionality like that in there
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03:01<stickman>what's the difference between using the supplied alsa sound modules or building them yourself?
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03:04<george>stickman: one, if you use the existing ones, there's a basis for comparison and -perhaps- you can get better, more closely-targeted help since people can know what you have and maybe are even using it
03:05<george>two, someone else would be maintaining those
03:05<leonidas>HI Guys, I havent got any sound. Where could I be checking for error? The DVD is playing fine though
03:06<george>three, if you build yourself, then you are the maintainer for those
03:06<stickman>george: because i see alsa source pkg in repo. i'm having sound probs here and wondered if there would be any benifit trying that route
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03:07<stickman>i have the dreaded hda-intel soundcard
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03:08<george>but I don't know what that benefit would be; for example I have no idea whether there are updated drivers in the source... I would think the source would reflect exactly what you do have
03:08<blubberdiblub>stickman: on a notebook/laptop? the one using the intel8x0 module?
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03:09<stickman>george: that's what i thought. why build modules that i already have... yes, acer laptop. not i810 tho
03:10<stickman>blubberdiblub: yeah. acer laptop, but not i810. hda-intel (or intel-hda)
03:11<mido>hi, is there any solution to the initramfs-tools error installing etch?
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03:12<blubberdiblub>well, i know that there are issues with the snd-intel8x0 module on some laptops, as apparently the driver fails to unmute those cards. maybe the hda-intel module has similar problems?
03:12<george>tried fooling with alsamixer?
03:13<stickman>sound works when i do acpi=off on kernel command line, but then my wifi doesn't work
03:13<mido>wow, seems to be solved by isntalling unstable!
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03:15<stickman>my current menu.lst snippet- /vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 noapic nolapic acpi_osi=!Linux root=/dev/sda7 ro vga=791
03:17<blubberdiblub>do you have problems with you io-apic as well? seeing you have disabled it ...
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03:19<stickman>blubberdiblub: yup. getting many apic errors. funny thing is even with the entries trying to disable apic, it's still enabled and giving errors
03:20<stickman>APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
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03:21<stickman>i've spent the last few days searching forums and such
03:22<blubberdiblub>very strange ... using SMP? as far as i remember correctly, SMP needs some kind of working IO-APIC
03:22<stickman>shouldn't be. only one cpu
03:23<stickman>one core
03:23<blubberdiblub>i'm lost then
03:24<stickman>very strange indeed.
03:24<leonidas>I have installed the alsa codecs which were missing on my pc but still no sound
03:25<leonidas>my plantronics headset are being recognised so is the microphone
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03:25<stickman>alsa codecs?
03:25<stickman>what card and module is it?
03:25<leonidas>sorry alsa mixer
03:26<cahoot>leonidas: run speaker-test in a terminal - sound, silence, error?
03:27<leonidas>would that work for a headset ?
03:28<stickman>speaker-test should play thru the active output
03:29<zodman>hi all
03:29<zodman>i have a lib of python that not exist on debian how report it to package on deb ?
03:29<zodman>on python team ?
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03:52<server>i can me help on audacious player ????
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03:55<suiside>server: ask for information, not people
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03:58<server>suiside; sorry audacious player has problem on grafig menue
03:59<suiside>what kind of problem?
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04:02<server>suiside; the backround ist white ant the text is white
04:02<server>to menue
04:04<suiside>any other gtk-apps affected?
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04:05<suiside>and what version of debian are you running?
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04:07<Mally80># Appears as KEVIN
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04:19<mido>can i fix the dns error while the debian installer is running?
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04:20<mido>it's paused installing selected software because resolves as
04:20<dli>mido, do you have correct /etc/resolv.conf ? you can Ctl-Alt-F1 first
04:21<dli>mido, it's most likely a bug of your dhcp server
04:21<stickman>nano /target/etc/resolv.conf?
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04:21<dli>stickman, no, cat /etc/resolv.conf
04:22<stickman>in csae he wanted to modify it
04:22<mido>thankas, resolv.conf points to my router which works on my other pcs. i'll try changing it to my ISP's dns server and see what happens.
04:22<dli>mido, find a working public DNS, set it in /etc/resolv.conf
04:22<dli>mido, of put the IP of in /etc/hosts
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04:23<dli>mido, does your router has proper DNS set for itself
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04:23<mido>i tried the hosts file idea but it still resolved as
04:24<mido>the router's dns works
04:24<mido>this computer also uses the router as a nameserver and it works
04:25<dli>mido, check /etc/host.conf
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04:26<dli>mido, it should say "order hosts. bind"
04:27<mido>it only says "multi on", should i delete that line and replace it with yours?
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04:27<dli>mido, add a line of that, it will read /etc/hosts then
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04:29<dli>mido, still remember to fix your router later
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04:30<dli>mido, indeed, I have a dsl600eu modem, which doesn't have DNS setting, but gives out its own IP as the dns server in dhcp, therefore broken by default
04:31<mido>alright, i've set the router to use the dns address i've put in
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04:33<mido>the strange thing is it downloaded the base system etc okay, then this happened when trying to download additional software (i was using the same mirror the whole time)
04:33<mido>bah, still reolves as
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04:35<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to use bootsplash on etch. I've installed bootsplash and the kernel patch packages and changed my menu.lst file
04:35<stickman>is there a search line in your resolv.conf?
04:35<bcochofel>What more do I need?
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04:37<mido>no there isn't, stickman
04:37<mido>how should i set it?
04:37<stickman>nah, you shouldn't need it. if it did that might have been a prob
04:38<mido>i've read it could be related to ipv6 being enabled
04:39<stickman>you might want to see if you have network at all. i do believe base system comes off the cd
04:39<mido>nah it's a netinstall distro
04:39<mido>i downloaded everything; the comptuer doesn't have a cd drive
04:40<mido>also i can ping etc in consoles
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04:40<stickman>ah. ok
04:40<mido>thanks for your help
04:40<mido>any ideas on how to disable ipv6? i've uncommented its lines in hosts
04:40<mido>i mean
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04:41<dli>mido, you mentioned the router DNS reset?
04:42<dli>mido, download additional software (packages) are done in chroot, so you have to fix /target/etc/resolv.conf etc.
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04:44<fxiny>hmmm , can't get gmail new mail notification via bitlbee
04:45<fxiny>anyone ?
04:45<mido>yep, thanks, the router dns was set as 'auto discover' or something, and i set it to force the use of a correct IP from my isp, reolv.conf is now set to that correct ip, and pinging works for any server
04:45<mido>(although pinging always worked)
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04:46<mido>thanks cahoot i think ipv6 + cheap router (D-link DSL-504T) applies to me
04:48<quantum>fxiny, what are the settings of your mail client?
04:48<quantum>incoming server
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04:49<quantum>port 993
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04:50<fxiny>quantum: i'0m talking irssi/bitlbee . bitlbee sits in a vserver . i'm checking yahoo icq plus the piggy msn . they all give me "new mail" notification on irssi window , gmail says nothing
04:50<Riggy>does anyone know where the mod_php5.c file is? thanks
04:53<mido>is it possible to kill an installer task and return to the task selection screen?
04:53<mido>installer has hung on 'select and install software'
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04:54<linuxfce>alien works so good converting rpms to debs, why not have debian use alien to install rpms in a single click
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04:56<fxiny>rpm ? why that ? what do you need ?
04:56<linuxfce>just talking about those apps that are distributed as rpms and not debs, i use alien to convert them, and its real easy
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04:57<linuxfce>but wouldnt it be cool if debian called alien in the background and installed rpm packages
04:57<fxiny>quantum: could be my vserver setting blocking ssl , checking it ...
04:57<linuxfce>all automatically
04:57<linuxfce>personally i just did it with gyachi
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04:57<linuxfce>and avant docker
04:58<Riggy>where is the mod_php5.c file?
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04:58<cahoot> why not stick to a rpm-based system?
04:58<fxiny>Riggy: apt-cache show apt-file
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05:01<fxiny>linuxfce: a yahoo client ? what irc client are you using ?
05:02<icks>Riggy: man find
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05:03<bartm>"4.0r1 released" is still in the topic of this channel while r2 is almost out :)
05:03<fxiny>if you don't care about voice or cam just stay with your irc client and install bitlbee
05:03<SpeedyG>almost out != released
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05:06<fxiny>look at this : i'm running in a screen session : irssi chrooted , right ? connected to a bitlbee gw buzzing in a vserver ? like it ? yahop icq dmmned msn are all connected , trying to see about gmail . so who cares about voices or cam ?
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05:08<SpeedyG>fxiny: my gf does :p
05:08<fxiny>any debian user can do this : debian rox !
05:08<SpeedyG>and thats why I use amsn :P
05:08<fxiny>SpeedyG: yes ? ohhhh you'd better keep her happy then ;)
05:08<SpeedyG>haha yeah :)
05:09<fxiny>amsn sucks . i had to drink some special stuff to sign on :P
05:09<SpeedyG>hehe, well, its the only msn-client that has webcam and filetransfer decently implemented
05:10<fxiny>but now . i want gmail notifications on my irssi session
05:10<SpeedyG>there was some irssi script for that wasnt there ?
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05:11<fxiny>SpeedyG: french people have a word for your situation : " a la guerre comme a la guerre " , i'm not french ;)
05:11<SpeedyG>neither am I :)
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05:11<SpeedyG>france is a great country, just a pitty al those french people live there ;P
05:11<fxiny>SpeedyG: irssi script for gmail ?
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05:12<SpeedyG>fxiny: you could try to use this script, combined with gmail's pop-support
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05:13<fxiny>SpeedyG: you are right : they live there drinking all that dammned good wine !
05:13<jobbe>i have installed irssi and connected to "" and now i wanna join #debian but when i type "/join #debian" then i get this:
05:13<jobbe>13:03 -!- Cannot join to channel #debian (You are banned)
05:14<fxiny>SpeedyG: i can connect to gmail via bitlbee , that's what bitlbee say to me . but i get no new mail notifications
05:14<fxiny>banned ?
05:15<SpeedyG>fxiny: I guess the bitlbee mail-thingy is linked to the msn-mailthing, which can only check the hotmail/msnmail accounts
05:15<jobbe>yes i dont understand why that happen.. becaus when i connect from my other compouter then i can join this channel
05:15<fxiny>SpeedyG: nope . yahop and icq are ok .
05:17<SpeedyG>fxiny: ok, lemme explain it otherwise, each protocol has its own link to its own mail, so msn==hot/msnmail, yahoo==yahoomail, and each protocol can only check its own mail (at least, thats what I guess... not sure of course since i'm not really into this stuff
05:17<fxiny>account add jabber <nick> <pass> connects me
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05:17<fxiny>maybe is my vserver
05:18<fxiny>or gmail chat thing is plain stupid
05:18<fxiny>no idea , i'm just checking it
05:18<fxiny>it would be nice to get nem gmail notifications on irssi
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05:19<fxiny>i don't use hotmail
05:19<SpeedyG>neither do I
05:19<SpeedyG>ugly live-mail thing they use now
05:20<jobbe>grr i think i know why im banned.. it's becaus i forgot to change nick and then the channel automatic banned me :/
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05:21<fxiny>SpeedyG: at the same time i have in a splitted irssi window : msn yahop and icq . connected , i can chat to any contact at the same time like in this room . they cannot see the nick i'm using right now with you . pretty nice stuff .
05:21<SpeedyG>fxiny: yeah :) I know bitlbee.. it rocks, if you dont need any additional stuff ;)
05:21<fxiny>add to this a wierd vserver and you get the picture ;)
05:21<SpeedyG>used to have 4 msn accounts and 3 icq accounts on bitlbee :)
05:22<fxiny>SpeedyG: used to ? no bitlbee running now in a normal system to check for me this gmail thing ?
05:23<SpeedyG>nope, not anymore
05:23<SpeedyG>switched all the msn contacts to one account, and using that now with amsn
05:23<SpeedyG>and dropped the icq accounts (allmost everybody got over to msn anyway)
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05:24<fxiny> i just want gmail . i've checked icq yahoo and msn for mail notifications , i'm fed up with firefox gmail plugin
05:24<SpeedyG>hehe, i'm using xfce and its mail-plugin to show me if I've got mail
05:25<SpeedyG>but those are pop-connectors
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05:25<fxiny>i think gmail-chat got nothing to do with gmail-mail
05:26<fxiny>could be
05:26<Riggy>can i find out the mother board of the pc using a bash command?
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05:26<kzar>Anyone having problems with squashed up text in their Gnome terminals? (On Lenny)
05:27<fxiny>SpeedyG: xfce ? the very latest version ?
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05:27<fxiny>i wonder how it performs
05:27<SpeedyG>fxiny: depends on the box ;) got two boxes, used to run the latest on the box i'm on now, but i've messed it up.. so as we speak i'm in windows...
05:28<SpeedyG>but the other box has an older version of xfce
05:28<TSS>Installing Java is proving difficult >.<
05:28<SpeedyG>TSS: how so ?
05:28<fxiny>SpeedyG: i see . i stay with flux .
05:28<fxiny>what java ?
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05:29<SpeedyG>fxiny: on this box, I've messed up the nvidia-driverstuff
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05:29<SpeedyG>thats why I reinstalled the entire box
05:29<SpeedyG>(at least, the linux part of it ;) )
05:29<fxiny>SpeedyG: nvidia ? hahaha damned nvidia stikes again ;)
05:29<SpeedyG>anyway, time for coffee now :D
05:29<TSS>SpeedyG: The documentation I've read uses a package called java-package but I cannot seem to find it through synaptic
05:30<SpeedyG>TSS: maybe you need to add non-free and contrib sources, iirc, theres sun's java in there
05:30<bkw>I use Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP" when cloning my laptop to my tv, but moves are only shown on the laptop screen and the window appear blue on the tv when playing a movie :(
05:30<SpeedyG>anyway, gotta go now
05:30<fxiny>TSS: i wanted to check sun on this etch box : java version "1.6.0_03" . just becaus i0m curious
05:30<TSS>SpeedyG: Ok, thanks for the advice
05:30<Riggy>can i find out the mother board of the pc using a bash command?
05:30<fxiny>but 5 is fine
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05:31<TSS>fxiny: I'll be happy with any version of Java
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05:31<fxiny>TSS: stick with debian version
05:32<bartm>Guest1118: I guess that James is a registered nick :)
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05:33<TSS>what mirror can I add that would contain java-package?
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05:34<fxiny>TSS: it is called sun-j2re1.5 . add non-free to your sources list . there is a bpo 6 version too if you want it
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05:35<bartm>TSS: any reasonable mirror, but don't forget to add "contrib" after "main" in sources.list
05:36<fxiny>TSS: like this etch main contrib non-free
05:37<bartm>TSS: and of course "apt-get update" to refresh the packages lists
05:38<Riggy>can i find out the mother board of the pc using a bash command?
05:38<TSS>fxiny and batm: ah, that did it. Apologies, obviously I am new at this :-p
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05:38<bartm>Riggy: euhm... 8 minutes is a bit fast to repeat, isn't it
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05:39<bartm>TSS: we've all been there (and I'm still there at times)
05:39<Riggy>sorry just chats go fast
05:40<TSS>I got Tor installed just fine! (tries to defend myself)
05:40<fxiny>w*l packages are so handy ;)
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05:41<zobel>bartm: seen my answer?
05:41<bartm>zobel: yes ina :)
05:41[~]zobel hits bartm
05:41<zobel>selber dran schuld
05:41<bartm>zobel: is ina your wife or your weekend identity ? :)
05:41<zobel>my wife.
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05:42<bartm>I'm sure that will happen to me some time too
05:42<zobel>and pregnant, and due to german laws she is not allowed to work any more, so she asked me what she could do, instead of sitting at home doing nothing.
05:43<bartm>so you gave her stable release management, something light :)
05:44<zobel>well, we lost the file containing the info $package_$version -> $DSA
05:44<zobel>with the crash of ries
05:44<zobel>that is what she resurected from reading DSA mails and changes files.
05:45<bartm>zobel: that sounds like a time consuming effort, so thanks to ina for doing that
05:45<zobel>that was not that hard, but very time consuming.
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05:45<zobel>in the end i showed here which else steps are needed, and then we sent out the mail together.
05:46<zobel>there is not much magic behind SRM scripts.
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05:46<jobbe>anyone know how to configure irssi?
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05:47<zobel>jobbe: yes, irssi's website and irssi's man-page
05:47<jobbe>i have read and i cant get it woking..
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05:48<jobbe>i need at command that automatic join a channel.. i have already got it connecting to a server
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05:49<zobel>jobbe: /help join
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06:01<TSS>Java is still proving difficult >.<
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06:02<TSS>anyone here successfully install it recently?
06:02<bartm>TSS: yes
06:02<Maulkin>dpkg isn't here right now...
06:03<dli>how dare it
06:03<TSS>This is the reference I am using
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06:03<TSS>I attempt to do
06:03<TSS>fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
06:03<TSS>and get
06:03<bartm>TSS: apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
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06:05<TSS>it could not find the package, and I have all non-free packages enabled
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06:05<bartm>TSS: to be more complete, first download to /tmp, then apt-get install sun-java6-jdk netbeans-ide sun-java6-doc
06:05<TSS>is it in unstable or testing?
06:05<bartm>TSS: I use testing
06:06<bartm>(and unstable for some packages)
06:07<dli>sun opened java, right?
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06:10<dli>redhat started icetea, thereafter, you can bootstrap java using only free software
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06:12<TSS>bartm: I just tried to add testing and I got an error
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06:12<TSS>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
06:12<TSS>E: Error occurred while processing gnome-desktop-environment (NewVersion1)
06:12<TSS>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists
06:12<dli>TSS, apt is broken
06:12<streuner_>!dynamic mmap
06:13<TSS>I broke it?
06:13<dli>dpkg is on holiday
06:13<TSS>I'm sorry :-(, I don't follow
06:13<streuner_><ravenbird> somebody said dynamic mmap was "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it
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06:29<fxiny>TSS: what version do you want to install ?
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06:30<adii>how can I encrypt a text with md5 ?
06:30<adii>like i want to have adii crypted with md5
06:30<adii>to use it as a password for example
06:30<lupine_85>md5 isn't an encryption routine. it's a hash
06:31<lupine_85>and you feed the text to the md5sum command
06:31<adii>:x but they are asking for something like that ..
06:31<lupine_85>e.g. echo adii | md5sum
06:31<TSS>fxiny: well I think I just got it installed, trying to get eclipse to look in the right place though
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06:31<adii>oh yea i see it now :)
06:31<fxiny>5 is official on etch , i'd use that . 6 for etch is unofficial on bpo repos .
06:31<Palm76>Hi people, something weird happened after last nights tersting dist-upgrade. When I want to reboot or shutdown from gdm there's a delay of about a minute. When it does shutdown or reboot the text has disappeared. The last thing it show is the message that acpi called of. Anyone know a possible fix?
06:32<fxiny>i've tried sun version . man update-alternatives for that
06:32<fxiny>maybe drunk :P
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06:35<bartm>TSS: well done (for whatever you succeeded with - maybe not our business :)
06:35<fxiny>why not ? curiousity is my fuel :))
06:37<TSS>I got Java set up :-D
06:37<bartm>TSS: haa that :)
06:37[~]adii kills amuleweb
06:37<TSS>thanks to you guys
06:38<bartm>TSS: thought you installed ubuntu :P
06:38<TSS>no thanks :-D
06:38<TSS>now time for Android
06:38<bartm>is android a game ?
06:39<fxiny>a google thing ?
06:39<TSS>it's pretty neat
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06:52<SpeedyG>goodbye, impatient one :D
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07:00<Josh>i have forgotten my root password, so i am trying to book linux in single user mood
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07:01<Josh>however, when i do passwd and enter my new password
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07:01<cahoot>!forgot roots password
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07:01<Guest1144>it says authentication token lock busy
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07:02<joshrulez2>any ideas?
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07:04<klimy>i have a problem with ntp. when i boot my time is wrong (+ 2 hours). i do not know what is wrong. when i restart /etc/init.d/ntp restart it works
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07:06<cahoot>else set UTC to yes in /etc/default/rcS
07:06<klimy>no. only debian. but i have some virtual machines
07:06<fxiny>check tzconfig
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07:08<klimy>i do not have tzconfig only tzselect
07:08<media>hi all
07:08<media>is it just me, or doesn't Debian testing provide mencoder-packages?
07:09<dpkg>methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
07:09<cahoot>media: ^^
07:10<cahoot>!why is mencoder not in testing?
07:10<dpkg>mencoder is not in testing for the reasons listed in
07:10<SpeedyG>hi, i've got this readme file from the audio driver I need for my audio to work, but do I need entire kernel sources for installation or is kernel-headers enough? :
07:10<media>thanks; I'll read it up
07:11<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
07:11<media>!apt-key 1F41B907
07:11<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
07:12<fxiny>klimy: lenny ?
07:12<SpeedyG>!tell media about msg the bot
07:12<media>did not want to cause noise
07:12<cahoot>SpeedyG: referring kernel > 2.2.14 - seems a bit dated
07:12<SpeedyG>cahoot: its the official driver from asus for getting my spdif jack to work
07:13<fxiny>hahah a bit yeahhhh :)
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07:13<SpeedyG>and its also the only linux driver I yet found for it
07:13<cahoot>SpeedyG: snd-hda-intel doesn't fit?
07:14<SpeedyG>cahoot: dunno, how can I check? or should it be loaded automagically ?
07:14<klimy>fxiny: no etch
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07:14<klimy>fxiny: but i have packages from lenny
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07:15<klimy>fxiny: tzdata is one of them, had to upgrade for emacs22
07:15<fxiny>klimy: iirc tzdata for lenny and sid m tzconfig dor etch
07:16<fxiny>i'm on etch , i use volatile tzdata
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07:16<fxiny>volatile rocks
07:16<cahoot>SpeedyG: lsmod|grep hda
07:16<fxiny>!setting time
07:16<dpkg>i guess setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ...
07:16<SpeedyG>hm, it doesnt seem to be loaded then
07:16<fxiny>is not that one i want
07:16<cahoot>try modprobe it
07:17<cahoot>then se if alsamixer cooperates
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07:17<_ukwn>date --set=`hwclock | awk '{print $5}'`
07:18<_ukwn>hwclock --systohc
07:18<fxiny>can't rmember the right factoid , anyway i told you already about lenny/sid try dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
07:18<klimy>i was just very confused why it does not work after booting. restarting the ntpd works.
07:18<fxiny>because of time zone i bet
07:18<SpeedyG>cahoot: modprobed it, still no sound tho, and alsamixer doesnt show the spdif either
07:18<fxiny>summertime crap ?
07:19<SpeedyG>so i'm affraid I might need it anyway
07:19<klimy>whouldn't the time zone be the same by just restarting a service?
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07:19<adii> c'mon everyone knows it's winter :x
07:20<buffoon>Could anyone give me some hints or links of how to sync a windows mobile 6 phone in debian?
07:21<buffoon>i'm searching the whole time for a good howto but they all seem to handle with windows CE
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07:21<fxiny>adii: tell the spartans , ops : the antipodians :P :)))
07:22<klimy>buffoon: use rsync
07:22<fxiny>adii: :)
07:22<klimy>buffoon: u just need a client on your windows CE.
07:23<jobbe>if i add this line "0,15,30,45 * * * * apt-get update" in crontab will it then execute the command everu 15 min?
07:23<buffoon>klimy: i guess rsync won't work with contacts and e-mail in evolution :(
07:23<fxiny>jobbe: ugly : /15 will do
07:23<buffoon>but for files a absolutely good idea
07:23<SpeedyG>buffoon: afaik, syncing email still doesnt work very well, i've tried it with WM2K3, but it didnt work
07:23<fxiny>but why checking every 15 minutes ?
07:23<jobbe>fxiny so this is better? /15 * * * * apt-get update
07:24<jobbe>keeping the connection to internet active
07:24<fxiny>jobbe: more elegant ohhh yeahhh :)
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07:24<fxiny>jobbe: use ping
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07:24<buffoon>SpeedyG: oh, but you've been able to? could you give me a little hint on what to search?
07:24<buffoon>i would like to try it out
07:25<fxiny>jobbe: why using debian servers ?
07:25<klimy>buffoon: the only answer i got a few years ago was: use imap.
07:25<buffoon>but i have problems to open the connection
07:25<SpeedyG>buffoon: nope, havent been able to, and am looking up the link as we speak
07:25<buffoon>SpeedyG: oh, thanks anyway
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07:26<klimy>you could host your own imap server, which downloads all your email to a centralized point. then you could fetch your email from your imap server.
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07:26<fxiny>jobbe: what's wrong with ping ?
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07:27<fxiny>jobbe: does your bast*d isp provider shut your connection down again ?
07:27<SpeedyG>buffoon: <= there's quite some info on it
07:27<buffoon>ok, checking it out... thx
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07:28<jobbe>but now i connected to an irc channel now the connection should be online all time
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07:28<SpeedyG>cahoot: so, to come back to my first question, do I, or do I not need the entire kernel-source for this to work? :)
07:28<jobbe>fxiny debian is good for server ^^;
07:28<jobbe>cya going
07:28<Elfodellanotte>hi all
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07:28<Elfodellanotte>i need an info :) anyone can help me?
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07:29<SpeedyG>Elfodellanotte: ask the question, dont ask to ask :)
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07:29<cahoot>SpeedyG: normally one only need headers
07:29<fxiny>jobbe: you can call a script insted .... /home/you/ > > /dev/null 2>&1 say you upload something to your mail account
07:29<SpeedyG>cahoot: ok thanks :) then i'll try if this works :)
07:29<Elfodellanotte>ok :) i a little newbie on debian sys... how can i clean my RAM and SWAP memory?
07:30<cahoot>clean ram?
07:30<klimy>;) u dont
07:30<Elfodellanotte>its cached
07:30<klimy>Elfodellanotte: on linux systems the ram is always full ;)
07:30<cahoot>sounds like reboot
07:30<Elfodellanotte>i wanna clear the cache i mean :)
07:30<SpeedyG>take em out the box and take some clensing fluid ;)
07:30<Elfodellanotte>i know but i got a webserver with teamspeak server on it
07:30<Elfodellanotte>so can't reboot always :)
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07:31<cahoot>was bad joke
07:31<fxiny>i like it : i use to saypolitics is reboot :))
07:31<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
07:33<Elfodellanotte>and when SWAP memory is used on debian?
07:33<fxiny>SpeedyG: i'm still diggin into gmail-talk-chat-whatever . it seems not so nice ;)
07:33<cahoot>Elfodellanotte: seriously - you shouldn't need to worry about ram in linux
07:34<klimy>i just wonder: is there a cool client which can read/write openldap? the last time i really got into it the answer was: use phpldapadmin and your mailclient.
07:34<Elfodellanotte>so it can't be a problem with lag on teamspeak server?
07:34<cahoot>Elfodellanotte: cache causin lag? that I doubt
07:35<Elfodellanotte>cahoot: when it is full and go to create SWAP memory, neither?
07:36<Elfodellanotte>i mean for a teamspeak voice server
07:37<cahoot>Elfodellanotte: so the problem you percieve is teamspeak being swapped?
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07:38<Elfodellanotte>but it being swap only when memory being swap
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07:40<cahoot>wouldn't more ram be the natural solution?
07:40<Elfodellanotte>i got 2GB of ram
07:41<Elfodellanotte>on a P4D 3.4Ghz
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07:41<Elfodellanotte>this why i was looking for a ram and swap memory cleaner tool :)
07:42<cahoot>sounds like it should suffice - bug in the app?
07:42<Elfodellanotte>hmm don't think so
07:42<weasel>klimy: ldapvi?
07:43<weasel>Elfodellanotte: what does "free" say?
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07:43<weasel>Elfodellanotte: and what does top, sorted by memory usage (M) say?
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07:44<Elfodellanotte>top say : Mem: 1880064k total, 1868620k used, 11444k free, 27896k buffers
07:44<Elfodellanotte>Swap: 1952760k total, 28k used, 1952732k free, 1592804k cached
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07:45<Elfodellanotte>and this is "free" : Mem: 1880064 1868824 11240 0 27940 1593136
07:45<Elfodellanotte>-/+ buffers/cache: 247748 1632316
07:45<Elfodellanotte>Swap: 1952760 28 1952732
07:45<klimy>weasel: thats awesome dude
07:45<weasel>Elfodellanotte: looks like you have plenty of memory
07:45<weasel>Elfodellanotte: what's the problem?
07:46<klimy>weasel: i have a slug thus everything.. is a bit ... lets say slow. especially php and such. thanks a lot ;)
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07:56<dmobi>i can't install webmin at debian. i get error message from apt-get install webmin
07:56<dmobi>any advice? thanks
07:56<dpkg>methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
07:57<dmobi>thanks cahoot
07:57<cahoot>dmobi: not really what you wanted?
07:57<dmobi>if webmin is so bad and unsafe, what u propose?
07:57<Scurz>Does anyone know an association for free projects hosting ?
07:57<dmobi>i have a tutorial that proposes ispconfig
07:58<cahoot>dmobi: I'm no admin - the geek answer is as always vi/vim
07:58<dmobi>ispconfig or wemin?
07:58<dmobi>ok cahoot
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07:58<dmobi>this ! command can give info for any package?
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07:58<dpkg>ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license -
07:58<dmobi>cool! :)
07:58<weasel>dpkg to dpkg in a query tho
07:58<weasel>_talk_ to dpkg in a query tho
07:59<dmobi>the channel debian-mentor what it is about?
07:59<weasel>if you have to ask it's not for you
07:59<dmobi>ok thanks
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08:01<SpeedyG>hey, when running 'make' I get this error: anyone know how to solve this ?
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08:02<cahoot>alsa 1.0.4? your really doing history here
08:02<SpeedyG>yeah well, if it supports my spdif, i'm happy with history
08:02<cahoot>plannig to play Abba?
08:03<SpeedyG>because I cant get this crapper to work :(
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08:03<mentor>SpeedyG: nope, but I'd investigate this error /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/build/include/linux/jiffies.h:33:3: error: #error You lose.
08:03<cahoot>I doubt reverting to unsupported alsa will help
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08:04<SpeedyG>cahoot: do you have any ideas on what might help then ?
08:04<Elfodellanotte>however guys, thanks for helpful :)
08:04<cahoot>SpeedyG: I'd ask on alsa-user mailing list
08:05<Elfodellanotte>cya soon :) merry xmas at all and happy new year :)
08:05<SpeedyG>hm, never done that before...
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08:07<Christmas>i need some help with unreal tournament 2004 sound on debian lenny
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08:08<Christmas>the game runs but no sound and i get the following error in konsole:
08:08<Christmas>open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory
08:08<Christmas>never happened before, and the sound works for other apps
08:08<Christmas>can i load somehow a module for that /dev/dsp to work?
08:09<cahoot>snd-pcm-oss should already be loaded
08:09<Christmas>this is after a clean install of debian lenny base and kde-core
08:09<Christmas>let me try
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08:10<Christmas>modprobe snd-pcm-oss
08:10<Christmas>it works now!
08:10<Christmas>thanks cahoot, thanks a lot
08:10<dmobi>apt-get install webmin
08:10<dmobi>this does not install it..webmin package maybe is not inside repos
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08:11<dmobi>yes i just read it is not suported by debian anymore
08:11<dmobi>which free control panels are supported by debian?
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08:13<fxiny>so . gmail/bitlbee/irssi chat works , adding contact is ok . gmail notification on irssi don't work . i bet is google fault .
08:13<fxiny>they should modify
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08:23[~]fxiny sends a "better idea" suggestion to gmail ppl
08:25[~]fxiny thinks the line "like msn yahoo and icq which btw i do not want to use" will do :)
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08:27<SpeedyG>cahoot: thanks for telling me i'm and idiot for using ancient alsa stuff
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08:27<SpeedyG>cahoot: it now works :D
08:28<cahoot>alsa 1.9.15?
08:28<SpeedyG>cahoot: <= this did the trick :) (and then mainly the part of
08:28<SpeedyG>so now I also got music in my debian box :D
08:29<francesco>ehi giggini what do you think about "bibidibobidibù"?
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08:31<fxiny>SpeedyG: yes ? i bet someone close to you will love it ;)
08:31<SpeedyG>fxiny: I bet they dont :D
08:31[~]SpeedyG cranks up the volume
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08:32<fxiny>SpeedyG: hahahah : neighbours and parents are bas*ards :P
08:32<glance>someone here that knows the internals of libwrap and all the quirks surounding portmap?
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08:33<SpeedyG>fxiny: if my parents could hear this... I bet it wouldnt be good for my ears :D Since they live like... 15KM away :D
08:33<glance>i have a funny problem. daemon@host patterns doesn't work with just portmap.
08:34<dmobi>i have debian 4.0. how do i update to debian 4.1?
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08:35<fxiny>SpeedyG: be leet like me : i have tons of good music buried under a pile of Mozart flacs ;)
08:37<SpeedyG>lol fxiny
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08:37<SpeedyG>only thing I wonder is, why cant I share the SPDIF connection
08:37<SpeedyG>only one app can conncet at the time
08:39<iisjmii>when I opy some text in an application and then close it, the copied text is not there anymore. Does anybody know if this is normal in wmii?
08:39<iisjmii>*opy = copy
08:39<fxiny>check out xclip
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08:40<iisjmii>fxiny: I did now, and thank you!
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08:41<fxiny>iisjmii: np , tip taken from , bet you'll love that too :)
08:42<iisjmii>I think i do, thanks
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09:01<Goethe>i'm running debian under vmware-server, i try to run rtorrent, but on the right part of the screen things are missing, how do i increase the size? (not using any desktop software)
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09:14<danielek>anybody to help me please ? :)
09:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:15<danielek>so I am a complete beginner and I would like to login as a root but I get a message that it's not possible
09:16<Robinayor_>danielek: on local terminal or per ssh or kinda?
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09:17<fxiny>you can su from your account typing su in a terminal/konsole/gnome-terminal then root password
09:17<wander>in X11 or shell?
09:17<JasonS>danielek: on x by any chance? that's not allowed by default
09:18<danielek>ok thx :)
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09:18<fxiny>danielek: also check : man sudo
09:18<JasonS>danielek: very seldom do you need to log ondirectly as root to x, most times logging on as a user, then opening a term and su to root is enough
09:19<danielek>ok :
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09:20<danielek>and what can I do not to have the X login console being open directly after turning on a computer
09:20<fxiny>JasonS: we were talking about a torrent client yesterday . i think yours is some of the *tornado-alike family , i use it on sarge
09:20<stew>danielek: /msg dpkg nodm
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09:20<JasonS>fxiny: quite possibly, it was quite a while ago that i installed it and haven't had any need to change or try a different one
09:22<fxiny>JasonS: yeahh long name *download*something , could be a bittornado package
09:22<fxiny>is not rtorrent
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09:40<live>i need help!
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09:41<JasonS>!tell live about ask
09:41<live>i need help!
09:41<JasonS>fine be that way
09:41<JasonS>live: try explaining your problem
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09:41<live>i want to install NVIDIA graphic drive on xebian
09:42<live>but it says that I should quit the X Server
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09:44<onur>live: install nvidia drivers with using module-assistant
09:44<matthewpoer>Has anyone had success building an ISO using the live-helper package from etch-backports? I'm having quite a bit of trouble with it, the current problem is the inability to run programs from the chroot during the build, producing the error message: chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/env': Permission denied
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09:45<live>how can I do this on xebian (not debian)
09:45<JasonS>live: ask in #xebian
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09:45<panthera>matthewpoer: don't use the one from; it's horribly outdated.
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09:46<panthera>matthewpoer: install the one from sid; it installs safely on etch too.
09:46<matthewpoer>bah. figures. I run etch though, so I was hopeing...
09:46<live>there are no users in #xebian
09:46<dli>matthewpoer, I prefer to "apt-get -b source"
09:46<JasonS>live: then try freenode
09:46<dpkg> - ML, or
09:46<streuner>the channel doesnt exist anymore, IIRC
09:47<streuner>use ML then
09:47<JasonS>nor on freenode it seems
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09:47<streuner>(that was some months ago, could be that a channel exist)
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09:49<live>is the NVIDIA 3 MX supported by linux?
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09:49<streuner>whats that? videocard?
09:49<streuner>or mobo chipset?
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09:50<live>NVIDIA 3 MX is a build-in graphic card of xbox
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09:50<streuner>well, xbox was/is a 750Ghz Intel Box, not more and nothing less...
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09:51<streuner>so videocard, well, it should be supported via "nv" (open-source)
09:52<live>I ask it because I heard that MX 3 is not supported or only 2D mode in gentoo
09:52<streuner>if you need 3D, check out "nvidia-glx" and check README(.Debian)
09:53<live>there is only 3 series or 3 Ti
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09:53<streuner>"nv" doesnt support 3D
09:53<fxiny>JasonS: i'm checking it now . not too bad , i'm after encryption .
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09:53<Christmas>there is a driver for linux for geforce 3
09:53<Christmas>but i don't know if it's the one your card needs
09:54<streuner>no, dont use these drivers
09:54<Christmas>just search their site
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09:54<streuner>!listkeys sucks
09:54<dpkg>Factoid search of 'sucks' by key (15 of 21): #debian sucks ;; CMD: daniels sucks monkey balls ;; _default sucks ;; _default why nvidia-installer sucks ;; angel sucks ;; boson sucks ;; ipchains sucks ;; java sucks ;; kde sucks and gnome ;; noatun sucks ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; sucks ;; suckspert ;; tcl sucks ;; us sucks.
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09:54<streuner>!nvidia-installer really sucks
09:54<dpkg>We don't tell you not to use the installer from for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break horribly, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it right the first time - ask me about <ngd>.
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09:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
09:55<edthefox>if anyone is in the market for a banner for a ssh banner -->
09:55<live>I have another question: why is KDE a broken package?
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09:55<streuner>in etch/stable no
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09:55<live>and wine is shown as broken, too
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09:55<streuner>but keep in mind, DEs (Desktop-Environments) are really large packages...
09:56<streuner>so its the usual case in Debian that these packages (GNOME and KDE) broken in unstable and testing by default..
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09:56<live>i know but for example xUrbuntu for xbox has GNOME and it works fast
09:56<ganneff-testing>(sorry guys, im nearly done with my tests now)
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09:57<lupine_85>I wouldn't say broken
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09:57<streuner>ganneff-testing: no worries
09:57<lupine_85>usually broken in experimental
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09:57<streuner>lupine_85: lucky these days :-P
09:57[~]lupine_85 patiently awaits kde 4
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09:57<live>but my video chip is unsupported by xUbuntu because my xbox is one of the last consoles :(
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09:58<streuner>yeah, wait for, but keep in mind, KDE folks say about KDE 4 its really beta...
09:58<lupine_85>well, I run testing and KDE 3 hasn't been broken ever
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09:58<lupine_85>occasionally need to restart X when a key library gets updated, or things stop working (like KIOSlaves)... that it
09:58<lupine_85>that's it*
09:58<live>are there other graphical enviroments for debian?
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09:59<lupine_85>loads and loads and loads
09:59<streuner>"graphical environments"?
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09:59<lupine_85>hmm. some of those
09:59<live>something like KDE
09:59<streuner>you surely thinking in terms of "DE"
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09:59<@Ganneff>there, done with ganneff-testing for now. (developing some new anti-spambot thing)
09:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:00<livio>hi I m using ubuntu and in many occasions if I try to change settings it tells me I m not the owner: "root" is... do you know what to do? thank you
10:00<streuner>!+tell livio -about ubuntu
10:00<dpkg>told livio about ubuntu.
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10:02<fxiny>anti-spambot ? hahah that's why i've seen so many zombified lately ;)
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10:04<vallosdck>I'm looking for help with creating dynamic email accounts through php without having to create user accounts. Any ideas?
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10:06<Maulkin>vallosdck: A bit specialist for #debian. As a hint, look at writing soemthing which deals with gettign user info from a database, then your php script can just insert into that.
10:06<edthefox>vallosdck: looking to spam or what?
10:06[~]lupine_85 wrote a system like that one
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10:07<lupine_85>it's very easy to do, once you've set up the mail server to run off a mysql/postgresql/sqlite/etc database
10:07<vallosdck>no, ive created a multi-site, its very specialized so i couldn't use something like cpanel. Well, for every site created, i just need the admin user of that site to have an email account created for their domain
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10:08<lupine_85>vallosdck: so you have a... pop3? imap? server running at the moment?
10:09<vallosdck>running pop3
10:09<lupine_85>how to set up adding new users depends very strongly on how you're currently set up
10:09<lupine_85>I'd advise against duplicating information in different places
10:10<vallosdck>cool, im checking into using my database for users now
10:10<lupine_85>migrate it all to database and go from there
10:10<vallosdck>awesome, thanks for the help!
10:15<edthefox>I'm having trouble getting irc to work from behind a watchguard firewall appliance, I know I'm offtopic but hey, it's Christmas!
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10:27<dmobi>what is better and easier and more secure? postfix or exim MTA?
10:27<margiolas>hello i would like to know how the localization system of debian works... I aim to create an application and I would like to support localization with .po
10:28<kooll>dmobi: postfix
10:28<weasel>dmobi: which is nicer? blue or red?
10:28<kooll>weasel: blue
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10:28<weasel>then definitively take one of them
10:28<weasel>and avoid the other
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10:31<pilgrim>Live: I'm totally new to IRC, so I can only hope this is the right procedure. Why do you say KDE is broken? I've been using Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-5-686 for 10 mos.; no prob.
10:31<fxiny>i use postfix but according to logic easiser in debian is , obviously , what comes as default , and exim4 is the default one
10:32<fxiny>to set postfix you must read and read
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10:38<dmobi>thanks guys!
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10:40<leonidas>Hi guys, I have been trying all day to make the sound work but nothing. Though, I havent got any error message
10:40<leonidas>when i run "lspci | -i audio" my card is recongnize
10:41<leonidas>i run aplay -l perfect
10:41<leonidas>as well arecord -i, and alsaconf configured my card as well
10:42<leonidas>anyone has any idea?
10:43<leonidas>I dont have speakers but plantronics headset
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11:03<wladek>Hi, I've recently downloaded and installed debian 4.0 r1 in a vmware virtualized environment. I setup the openssh server, but I'm expericing client [timeout] disconnects. More than I have reported this problem so I know it's not specific to my connection. When I check the auth.log it says my ssh connections are timing out at intervals of 10 - 25 minutes.
11:04<wladek>This isn't my network so I'm trying to determine if it's a problem with my system config or if it's an external firewall/router problem. Here's my sshd_config and excerpt from my auth.log:
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11:18<leonidas>I now have got sound in my speakers but not in my headstet. Is there a specific option for headset? I dont see it in Alsa Mixer
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11:41<ia64>guys, when looking at df -h I see 20G used, how can I know what's taking the space?
11:42<ia64>amazing! :)
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11:50<Garda>Merrry christmas debian users!!!!
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11:53<Christmas>Merry Christmas to you too
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12:12<ManuP>i am trying to install fglrx on amd64 debian lenny. if i try modprobe fglrx, he doesnt find the module
12:12<ManuP>can someone help?
12:13<cahoot>no better if you run depmod -a first?
12:13<ManuP>didnt try jet
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12:22<ManuP>cahoot: dont work either
12:22<ManuP>cahoot: have to go... merry christmas :)
12:22<cahoot>I see
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13:05<NoFearrr>team any one knows an application for samba log files ? " like sarg for squid logs" plz
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13:14<velasco>Does anyone know any "pidgin" channel?
13:15<velasco>please :)
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13:33<Christmas>i think it's #gaim @ freenode?
13:33<Christmas>but not sure, why don't u look on the official sourceforge website?
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13:36<bjk>anyone good with shell programming (bash)? i have a util that reads commands from stdin but process data for a specified fd. i need the data fd to read from a command, like: echo something | prog --fd=3 3<(prog2), but 3<() isn't working correctly. so basically i need prog2s output redirected to fd 3
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14:00<neti>#join ubuntu
14:01<dondelelcaro>neti: /join #ubuntu
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14:09<dmobi>tell me some repos for source list. now i just have the 3 stable that come by default
14:09<JasonS>!tell dmobi about sources.list
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14:30<rosewood>hw r u?
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14:33<jred184>for some reason, when I run make, I get "make: Nothing to be done for `default'."
14:33<jred184>any ideas?
14:34<Niels>less Makefile ?
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14:35<jred184>i get about 3 or 4 pages of output
14:36<Niels>what about make clean; make all
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14:37<Niels>i have to go to christmas-ceremonial ... good bye
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15:20<bernardo>how can I install the java sdk?
15:20<Christmas>just played urban terror 4.1 and it rocks
15:20<Christmas>it's a great replacement for counter-strike running through wine
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15:20<bernardo>I mean, is it enough for me to write java code installing just the eclipse package?
15:22<bernardo>annyone knows?
15:24<chealer>bernardo: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:26<bernardo>cheealer: does it have something to do with it?
15:26<chealer>bernardo: install sun-java6-jdk
15:26<chealer>bernardo: yes
15:27<chealer>bernardo: you can use nickname tab-completion to avoid typos when highlighting people
15:27<bernardo>chealer: ok, Iĺl try, thanx
15:28<bernardo>chealer: ohh, I didn't know that feature....
15:28<bernardo>thhanx again
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16:09<dmobi>i have etch and ihave this at sources list deb stable main
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16:09<dmobi>should i change to testing to have more options?
16:10<MrPiracy>hello guys
16:10<MrPiracy>i just installed kiba-dock and all i see is this half ball at the bottom of my screen, how can i add icons to it?
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16:12<JasonS>dmobi: no, just add contrib and non-free if you like
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16:14<somae7>is there a safe way to remove all games - I thought to remove everything brought up by "locate games"
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16:27<dmobi> stable main contrib non-free, like that?
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16:29<chealer>dmobi: what options are you looking for?
16:30<dmobi>i dont know, just some program xcache could not be installed, and somewhere i read some testing is tested
16:32<chealer>dmobi: you can change to testing, but it's not stable
16:33<chealer>dmobi: it depends on how much you know Debian, and how important stability is for that system
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16:36<dmobi>somewhere i read that testing is tested. is that right?
16:36<ifvoid>dmobi: theoretically, yes
16:36<dmobi>Package php5-xcache is not available, but is referred to by another package. Package php5-xcache has no installation candidate
16:36<ifvoid>dmobi: but the name "testing" means that the packages there are being tested
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16:37<dmobi>how can i resolve this. using testing?
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16:38<dmobi>what are all these woody, leny, sid
16:39<dmobi>i google and i read things that confuse me even more.
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16:43<monra>hello. does anybody knows any good program for cutting and creating new mp3 files under Debian?
16:43<dmobi>yes i searched here and xcache is included
16:43<phogg>afaik mpgcat/joi/etc should work with mp3
16:47<Christmas>dmobi they are debian codenames afaik
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16:47<Christmas>debian 3.1 codenamed 'sarge', 4.0 'etch', testing is 'lenny'
16:47<Christmas>they are names from toy story you should read the faq
16:48<Christmas>!tell dmobi about codenames
16:48<Christmas>dpkg, codenames
16:48<dpkg>methinks codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews
16:49<Christmas>this is outdated anyway, stable is now 4.0
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16:49<joshrulez2>hey i am having some trouble setting up name servers for my server, anyone care to assist?
16:49<dmobi>and what about leny?
16:50<Christmas>lenny is the testing version
16:50<Christmas>it means it has newer packages than stable and changes all the time, it's in development
16:50<Christmas>yes, until it becomes the stable version
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16:53<Christmas>i need some help to make a command run under root when the system starts
16:54<Christmas>i know i should put it in /etc/init.d but what rcS directory is the default runlevel so i can make a shortcut to it?
16:54<cahoot>man update-rc.d
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17:00<chealer>dmobi: using testing would resolve that, yes
17:02<chealer>dmobi: otherwise, you could try backporting testing's xcache
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17:11<samt2>How do I check if my version of apt has super cow powers?
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17:13<fatal>samt2: apt-get moo
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17:14<samt2>fatal, ah, thanks
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17:16<phogg>That is by far the stranges question I have ever seen in #debian.
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17:28<ginodi>sbdy here
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17:40<dmobi>thanks chealer
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17:46<nihilistnerd>Hello. I'm trying to repartition my disk and need to identify which partitions are for which operating systems. How can i do that?
17:46<nihilistnerd>I've just thought: my /boot/grub/menu.lst?
17:46<nihilistnerd>ooh... /dev?
17:46<lupine_85>nihilistnerd: a good start. also fdisk -l (that's L)
17:46<lupine_85>and if you have the various partitions mounted, mount -l too
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17:48<nihilistnerd>I'm afraid I can't find fdisk in my debian repo
17:48<LqR>It should already be installed (but you can only run it as root)
17:48<LqR>At least I think it should
17:48<nihilistnerd>bash: fdisk: command not found
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17:49<nihilistnerd>I did do a netinst
17:49<nihilistnerd>ooh yay
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17:49<nihilistnerd>I used su and it's working now. Different $PATH s?
17:49<blubb>hi guys
17:50<LqR>nihilistnerd: Yeah, it's in one of the sbins
17:50<blubb>has anybody a glue about FTP und ident?
17:50<ManuP>i installed 64bit system. i tried to set a 32bit chroot environment up, followed this: but if i try to start firefox, it fails.
17:50<ManuP>cant open display :0,0 but this is the correct display. whats wrong?
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17:51<nihilistnerd>fdisk -l gives me a list of partitions, but not which OSes they use. Shall I do some guesswork?
17:52<nihilistnerd>And yeah, I know that 'gparted can be a eapon of mass destruction'
17:52<nihilistnerd>I love the way that Linux stuff is nice and.. friendly.
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17:53<blubb>k guys, does anybody know more about an identd ?!?!
17:53<blubb>i am working on that crap for days now
17:53<nihilistnerd>2.1.2. Name Assignment
17:53<nihilistnerd> Under (Sun) Solaris and (SGI) IRIX, the device name given to a SCSI drive has some relationship to where you plug it in. Under linux, there is only wailing and gnashing of teeth.
17:54<phogg>nihilistnerd: Under Linux we pretend SCSI does not exist
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17:55<phogg>nihilistnerd: actually you can probably use udev somehow to fix this, now
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17:56<nihilistnerd>So shall i do some guesswork with which partition is which?
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17:56<nihilistnerd>ooh I know!
17:56<nihilistnerd>I'll mount various ones!
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17:59<nihilistnerd>I'm really pleased with Debian; other distros have been unstable or just not worked, but Debian has been beautiful.
18:00<nihilistnerd>Ubuntu has been a little painful, despite it being based on Debian.
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18:00<nihilistnerd>Damn, there goes my bootloader :P
18:02<p3etch>sorry for the dumb question but what module should i use for Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 ethernet card ?
18:04<nihilistnerd>Hurrah, my work is done! And now I leave to install Fedora.
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18:05<ifvoid>p3etch: I would guess e100 or e1000
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18:05<ifvoid>p3etch: yes, e100
18:05<ifvoid>p3etch: I have the same card here
18:06<p3etch>tried both but still i can't make it work (ifconfig won't show eth0)
18:06<ifvoid>does dmesg tell you anything about the card?
18:06<ifvoid>it muight be detected as eth1 for example, or eth6
18:06<p3etch>oops i forgot to do ifconfig etrh0 up sory
18:06<p3etch>it is my oldest debian machine yet
18:07<p3etch>p - 3 500 mhz 256 mb ram with etch and kde
18:07<p3etch>is there a way that i will get support for hardware that isn't supported by bios ?
18:08<p3etch>like dvd ?
18:08<ifvoid>sure, that should be all supported
18:08<ifvoid>linux doesn't use the bios at all
18:08<p3etch>no , my bios isn't supporting it
18:08<ifvoid>doesn't matter
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18:08<ifvoid>linux support it
18:08<p3etch>when i did ls /dev/hd* i didn't found my dvd
18:08<ifvoid>you will only not be able too boot from it
18:08<ifvoid>as booting is handled by the bios
18:09<p3etch>maybe udev related ?
18:09<ifvoid>was it detected at boot?
18:09<ifvoid>check dmesg
18:09<p3etch>search for what ?
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18:09<ifvoid>something like this:
18:09<ifvoid>hdb: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, DMA
18:10<p3etch>ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfff0-0xfff7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
18:10<ifvoid>that's your ide controllor
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18:10<ifvoid>the drive detecio should be a bit below that
18:11<ifvoid>and so do have the cdrom and ide_cd modules loaded?
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18:11<p3etch>i searched using the grep
18:11<p3etch>now im searching manually
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18:15<p3etch>bummer no cdrom in dmesg .. (both cdrom and ide_cd) are loaded
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18:33<blubb>hm damn identd
18:33<blubb>could anybody help me?
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18:38<ezc>help you with what?
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18:38<blubb>cant get pidentd and oidentd working for an ftpd request
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18:41<hdevalence>How do I fix the X error "Fatal Server Error\nNo valid FontPath could be found"?
18:41<streuner>what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say?
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18:44<streuner>hdevalence: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say?
18:44<hdevalence>streuner: I get nothing.
18:45<vook>I thought this was weird. Look at (at least through my DNS server (
18:45<hdevalence>streuner: err wait
18:45[~]streuner is waiting
18:45<hdevalence>streuner: I forgot the -i option. It says
18:46<streuner>hdevalence: How did you install X?
18:46<chahibi>How is X configured?
18:47<hdevalence>VGA Compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Grphics Controller (rev 0c)
18:47<chahibi>I don't have a xorg.conf in my Debian
18:47<hdevalence>I installed it using apt-get install xserver-xorg
18:47<p3etch>did you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
18:48<chahibi>Sorry, I have a running X without an xorg.conf, how come?
18:48<chahibi>Is the new version of Xorg not configured through xorg.conf?
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18:49<hdevalence>p3etch: I did dpk-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
18:49<streuner>!drxx hdevalence
18:49<dpkg>hdevalence: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
18:50<streuner>hdevalence: run "update-pciids" and tell us the command about lspci again, please.
18:51<chahibi>streuner: I have the most fresh Unstable, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work
18:51<chahibi>streuner: It seems like Xorg changed the way it is configured
18:51<streuner>hdevalence: try for the first time to configure "VESA" as driver
18:51<chahibi>streuner: (I removed xorg.conf , restarted, and it still works)
18:53<hdevalence>streuner: it is now telling me about how I have the G965 chipset etc...
18:53<streuner>!listvals 965
18:53<dpkg>Factoid search of '965' by value (15 of 16): 104! ;; 127! ;; 130! ;; 143! ;; 2000!pt12 ;; 2000!pt16 ;; 2000!pt4 ;; 55! ;; 96! ;; CMD: reduce (.*?) lameness ;; bustedphp4 ;; early floyd ;; jmicron ;; kde3.1 bugs: kde 3.1 ;; rfc1333.
18:53<hdevalence>streuner: after confiuring for vesa, xinit gives the same error
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18:55<hdevalence>struener: I get the same error while telling it to use i810 or intel
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18:58<streuner>hdevalence: laptop?
18:58<hdevalence>struener: yeah
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18:59<streuner>what kind of laptop, exact model?
18:59<hdevalence>streuner: when I grep xorg.conf for fontpath, I get no result. I think that might be the problem
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18:59<hdevalence>streuner: Dell Inspiron 1420
19:00<hdevalence>struener: What packages contain fonts for X?
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19:04<phogg>hdevalence: apt-cache search fonts # I'm sure you can find some this way
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19:05<hdevalence>after installing xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi I got farther, but get a bunch more errors
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19:05<hdevalence>errors about AIGLX and no hardware rendering
19:05<hdevalence>errors about unable to use Synaptics touchpad
19:06<BaXXLap>Hello I'm trying to get my proftpd workin outside the network. But because of Passive ports, I can't forward them all!, Is there any other way to gain access?
19:06<hdevalence>errors about could not open default font 'fixed'
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19:07<BaXXLap>well, something seems like my router ain't forwarding ports today
19:07<streuner>!font fixed
19:07<dpkg>i heard fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg"
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19:07<streuner>hdevalence: apt-get install xorg
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19:15<hdevalence>Excellent. I have a working X server, thanks to you.
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19:18[~]streuner must file a bugreport (wishlist) to XSF, what sense does it make to "apt-get install xserver-xorg" without install whole X...
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19:26<phogg>streuner: but then maybe getting Debian working with X would not be a black art and then maybe anyone could do it and then there would be no mystique to the whole thing
19:27<streuner>well, i installed Debian via d-i and hadnt any problem at all with X
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19:31<streuner>that was for a laptop (Toshiba L-40), the only which didnt work was wireless AG5007EG, and the chip isnt supported at all
19:31<streuner>only via patching newest atheros stuff or via ndiswrapper
19:32<Jumpyshoes>is there a way to reconfigure xserver?
19:32<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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20:08<GhostlyDeath>Has a new kernel version come out for testing?
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20:13<infinitycircuit>GhostlyDeath, 2.6.22-3 here
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20:17<gotti>merry crimbo linux users
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20:21<XxValetexX>gotti: 4 u too
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21:01<hachi>I'm having trouble with my network-manager talking to and saving keys in the 'keychain' or whatever it uses
21:01<hachi>anyone know what could be wrong? I don't see any missing packages
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21:12<abrotman>chealer: kdebase isn't valid anymore?
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21:28<alec>hachi: check to see if gnome-keyring-daemon is running, it wasn't for me and I had to start it manually (not using gnome)
21:29<Jumpyshoes>does anyone know what the error "Xlib: extension "SHAPE" mising on display ":0.0". means?
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21:31<naudiz>Jumpyshoes: is your friend
21:34<hachi>alec, thanks
21:35<hachi>there is of course the question of how to launch gnome-keyring-daemon
21:35<hachi>it has a placeholder manpage, and outputs some text
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21:39<alec>hachi: I think I've got it in my .xinitrc somewhere - 'gnome-keyring-daemon &'
21:39<alec>hachi: no idea what the nice GNOME way to do it is
21:41<naudiz>WTF Debian Etch doesn't have 'glxgears' ?
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21:43<naudiz>it must come packaged only in nvidia and mesa packages
21:43<hachi>I see it in mesa-utils
21:43<hachi>that's in etch just fine
21:43<hachi>so I don't know what you're on about
21:44<naudiz>hachi: the BSD's install it by default
21:44<naudiz>hachi: with X
21:44<hachi>why would you want glxgears installed by default?
21:44<hachi>just wasted space
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21:47<ramin>can you guys tell me the difference between the cd and dvd editions of debian?
21:48<l00kp>I'm having trouble configuring my wifi card with a WPA2 key, anybody mind helping me?
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21:49<l00kp>I have a 21 char length ascii key, but iwconfig keeps rejecting it.
21:50<hachi>ascii keys arent' used by iwconfig, also WPA2 isn't handleb y iwconfig either
21:50<hachi>at least, last I checked
21:50<hachi>you have to use something like wpa_supplicant to do WPA and WPA2
21:52<hachi>hey cool, using google I found this strange page that might be a doc on WPA in debian
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21:53<torteala>I'm noticing that the boot prompt for "linux" manages to detect my hard drive while "expert" doesn't. Any ideas about what I'm doing wrong in expert?
21:55<blarson>ramin: CD version is on more discs for the complete distro. DVD fits on three or so.
21:55<l00kp>hachi: Thanks.
21:55<blarson>ramin: Less popular software on later ones, most people just use the first then install anything else they want over the net.
21:59<torteala>how can I load modules ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-generic, ide-disk after the network is up?
22:00<torteala>I just can't get to the partitioning because it sees no disk
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22:03<fitchwh>what's up
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22:05<fitchwh>la la
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22:07<pilgrim>Will: I'm new to IRC. Can you tell me how to get my nick in the list to present like everyone else's; i.e. without my name in brackets.
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22:43<naudiz>so, python is better than TCL ?
22:43<naudiz>it's more polished I think, maybe
22:44<pilgrim>Does anyone know why "" has been unreachable for the last couple of days?
22:44<Christmas>it doesn't work for me either
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22:45<kgo>i have the following problem : i get the runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c error from what i have seen on forums it means that im trying to run a binary for a different system architecture
22:45<naudiz>Christmas: is disabled too
22:46<kgo>its a fresh install of debian i used a netinstall image for amd64
22:46<Christmas>yeah but has been disabled ever since i know it
22:46<Christmas>google searching works fine, though
22:47<Christmas>search for "manual" for example
22:47<kgo>anyone know something about this?
22:47<Christmas>or faq
22:48<pilgrim>Christmas; yabbut; DebForum posts are cached on gargle; non?
22:49<Christmas>probably, yes
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22:53<hdevalence>I think my ethernet card is not working properrrrly
22:53<hdevalence>It's not going faster than 10 MB/s
22:55<Christmas>and 10MB/s is slow?
22:56<hdevalence>Christmas: On a 100MB LAN, yes.
22:57<Christmas>100MB is utopic
22:58<Christmas>i for example never had speeds more than ~7-8 MB on my local network
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22:59<hdevalence>Christmas: On the same hardware runnning Ubuntu, I get >20MB/s on the same hardware. So it is possible.
22:59<Christmas>maybe, but 100?
22:59<pilgrim>harry; Merry Christmassings from Vancouver (Boundary Bay)
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23:03<blarson>10 megabytes per second is pretty good on a 100 megabits per second network. (There is some overhead.)
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23:03<hdevalence>eh. Mostly I'm imaptient because I'm restoring a backup of ~/
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23:04<hdevalence>So, all my music, movies, pictures, and images
23:04<hdevalence>and by images I mean .iso's
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23:10<Christmas>however what's the speed a 7200 rpm hard disk can write?
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23:10<Christmas>i guessed it's capped by that anyway right?
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23:12<_hdevalence>Christmas: what?
23:14<pilgrim>Christmassings... whatever y'll do/get roped into this time of year.
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23:17<Christmas>yeah marry christmassings to u too :)
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