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---Logopened Thu Dec 27 00:00:09 2007
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00:18<tech13>is down? I keep getting connection timeout, but I can get and
00:19<tech13>dig gives me 3600 IN A
00:20<tech13>Pepper, thank you.
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00:31<Woland>what features will i lose, if i'll use apm instead acpi?
00:32<Woland>will i can use suspend to ram and suspend to disk?
00:32<Woland>will i can see a state of a battery
00:33<infinitycircuit>Woland, acpi is just better in many ways
00:33<infinitycircuit>Woland, suspend to ram will work in apm
00:33<infinitycircuit>Woland, if you have a phoenix bios and an extra partition suspend to disk will work too
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00:34<Woland>infinitycircuit: will suspend to disk in native linux way work with apm?
00:34<Woland>infinitycircuit: swsusp i mean
00:35<infinitycircuit>Woland, i don't believe so but i'm not 100% sure
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00:36<Pepper>Woland: why you want to use apm?
00:38<Woland>Pepper: because when i don't turn off acpi my laptop powers down spontaneous.
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00:39<Pepper>Woland: it powers down? when?
00:41<Woland>Pepper: randomly. It may power down after 30 or 100 minutes work
00:41<Woland>Pepper: i see it only on amd64
00:42<Woland>Pepper: with vista and i386 there was not such problem
00:43<Woland>twb: 10x ^)
00:43<twb>This is just me being silly, but wouldn't it be better to try to isolate and fix the error rather than switching to apm?
00:44<Woland>twb: i still try
00:45<Woland>twb: but i don't know anything about acpi and have no other advice then "acpi=off noapic"
00:46<mikelarry>woland we only speak english here, thanks.
00:46<twb>Did you examine the logs for anything like "eek, I'm out of power! Emergency shutdown" after the error?
00:46<Woland>mikelarry: ?
00:46<twb>Woland: mikelarry refers to the gibberish 16:43 <Woland> twb: 10x ^)
00:47<simonrvn>is that an attempt at bytecode? :P
00:47<twb>Of course, when complaints drown out the original mistake, something has gone wrong
00:47<Woland>it will be better if i'll use such abbreviations. Because i have problems with english ^+))
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00:48<Woland>twb: no. there was no other errors
00:48<Woland>twb: only APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
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00:48<twb>Woland: in this channel, it is considered rude to use abbreviations like "tks".
00:49<Woland>twb: ok
00:49<twb>Woland: OK, so the next step would be to google for that phrase in double quotes (").
00:49<Supaplex>yeah, decoding txt speak is obnoxious :)
00:49<Woland>twb: didn't find anything helpful
00:50<simonrvn>m txtg u rgt nw
00:50<Supaplex>!lart simonrvn
00:50[~]dpkg urinates on simonrvn
00:50<twb>Some people like that kind of thing
00:50<Supaplex>nice one dpkg :P
00:51<Supaplex>personally, I'd rather use effort resolving the problem, not resolving txt cyphers
00:51<Supaplex>puts cypertxt in a whole new meaning huh?
00:51<twb>I agree, but that's not really relevant. The convention is not to do it, so don't do it. End of discussion.
00:52<twb>Woland: regarding apm suspend support, the most obvious approach would be to simply try to suspend and resume.
00:52<twb>Woland: have you tried this?
00:53<Woland>twb: no, most time i have my laptop on ssh ^+) I'll use it when it will be configured
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00:59<Woland>People gave me an interesting link:
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01:13<Pepper>Woland: is "irqpoll" in you logs?
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01:15<geekunit>Trying to get flash player working on 64 bit. Installed npwrapper, used it to install the flash plugin so file
01:15<geekunit>But I'm not sure where to put the result so that Iceweasel will see it
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01:15<twb>geekunit: which flash player?
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01:16<geekunit>twb: the official one from adobe, not the open-source
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01:16<twb>Isn't that package called mozflash or something?
01:17<xsdg>geekunit: ~/.mozilla/plugins/
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01:18<twb>No, that's a GPL client
01:18<geekunit>xsdg: in my user's ~/.mozilla/plugins I have But nothing in root. That should work right?
01:18<xsdg>geekunit: yes
01:18<xsdg>geekunit: check about:plugins
01:18<twb>Just apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:18<xsdg>twb: doesn't work for 64-bit
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01:19<geekunit>xsdg: says it's installed!
01:19<twb>If it doesn't work, why is it in the Packages list?
01:19<geekunit>xsdg: Wonder why I can't watch YouTube vids
01:19<xsdg>geekunit: what does it say for version?
01:19<twb>You can watch those with mplayer, you don't need some bastard child of Adobe
01:20<xsdg>twb: flashplugin-nonfree is just the installer, according to the package info
01:20<xsdg>twb: and Adobe doesn't have a 64-bit version on their site
01:20<geekunit>xsdg: 9.0 r115
01:20<twb>xsdg: it installs ia32-libs-gtk
01:20<twb>Depends on it, I mean
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01:21<twb>That suggests to me that it does biarch stuff
01:21<xsdg>geekunit: weird
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01:21<xsdg>twb: maybe, but you can't run it against a 64-bit firefox without something like nspluginwrapper
01:21<xsdg>twb: that might be for folks with a 32-bit chroot or something; I'm not sure
01:21<twb>xsdg: it depends on that, too!
01:21<geekunit>xsdg: magically started working. Thanks man!
01:22<xsdg>twb: "oh, hey!"
01:22<twb>Furthermore, the package is not available for anything BUT i386 and amd64
01:22<xsdg>twb: my bad for not reading :o)
01:22<twb>So it's not just because the DD lazily put Arch: all
01:22<xsdg>twb: that's because flash _really_ doesn't run on anything that's not x86-ish, I'd imagine
01:22<xsdg>twb: what the heck are they gonna download for sparc? :o)
01:22<twb>You mean Adobe's client
01:22<xsdg>twb: yes
01:23<xsdg>twb: I was wrong about amd64, it seems, which is pretty nice
01:23<twb>Flash itself should be interpretable anywhere, unless the format designers fucked up really badly
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01:23<xsdg>twb: yeah, I meant the client
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01:29<Drako60>i'm trying to get lirc working on an acer laptop anyone familiar?
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01:30<twb>!anyone >Drako60
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01:35<Supaplex>!pciid 00:05.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio [10de:03f0] (rev a2)
01:35<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 10de:03f0 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
01:35<Supaplex>awww crummy. no sound :(
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01:36<twb>That could be done more easily with sed -rn alone
01:37<twb>Oh, I guess sed can't do -i
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01:38<Supaplex>I tried shortening it with perl, but no avail. :)
01:38<Supaplex>atleast not with my skills. hehe
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01:42<twb>sed -rn '/10de:03f0/ { s/:/.*/; p }' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
01:43<twb>I don't understand why it's replacing : with .*, tho
01:43<twb>Oh waitaminute. I missed the first `.
01:47<cyborg>lol wow
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01:52<Supaplex>would someone with a very recent kernel try running that egrep line dpkg posted? My 2.6.18 stock etch kernel has no support for this hardware.
01:54<twb>alias pci:v000010DEd000003F0sv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_hda_intel
01:55<Supaplex>sweet. thanks =)
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01:58<gpm>hi guys, i have a rather stupid problem: i am getting no sound when trying to play .rm files, but everything else sound-wise is fine. any ideas/clues?
01:58<Supaplex>intresting. it loads, but no go...
01:58<Supaplex>what's playing your .rm files?
01:59<gpm>realplayer, it's from the mit open courseware
01:59<gpm>mplayer, totem, vlc won't open it
02:00<Drako60>do you have mplayer compiled with the windows codecs?
02:00<gpm>i installed w32codecs from marillat...but i didn't compile mplayer myself
02:01<Supaplex>is realplayer using oss, or alsa? the snd_pcm_oss module might be helpful.
02:01<twb>Stock mplayer can play realaudio from BBC 7 without w32-codecs
02:01<twb>I know because w32codecs isn't available for AMD64
02:02<Drako60>thats true, it can play alot of .rm files without them, but there are some that it needs them for that i've run across
02:02<gpm>hm, i tried opening an mp3 with realplayer
02:03<gpm>and it said the audio device is being used by something else
02:03<gpm>but i'm not running a sound daemon
02:03<gpm>stupid rhythmbox
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02:08<Supaplex>hah. usb audio ftw. 0763:2007 Midiman until I try a newer kernel.
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02:21<Killing_Frost>Just did a successful Etch install and thought I could su to root from the default user account, but it doesn't wanna take the password, <enter>, and I can't seem to access a boot prompt to run the puppy in single-user mode. Any hints for what to do?
02:23<twb>Drill through init=/bin/sh
02:24<chealer>Killing_Frost: what happens when you try to access a boot prompt to run the puppy in single-user mode?
02:25<Killing_Frost>lilo just boots withoout any pause, from the look of things.
02:25<twb>I've never seen Debian on a puppy
02:26<Killing_Frost>How about Slackware?
02:26<twb>They don't have NICs or USB or CD drives
02:26<twb>I can't figure out how you'd boot d-i
02:27<Killing_Frost>You need to put some timfoil around it's ears and crank the tail.
02:28<twb>It's not working
02:28<twb>I think this one's broken
02:29<Killing_Frost>It never asked for a root password, either, so I thought it was gonna be the same as the primary user's. Guess I'll try the rescue CD.
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02:31[~]Killing_Frost jamz.
02:31<Killing_Frost>Thank you.
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02:33<hever>Hi there. Am I limited to 2^16 users on Linux ?
02:35<bjb>I'm having a bit of trouble with X and fonts: What's that effect called? Most of the icons look like that too - but most graphics look normal. Anyone seen that before? How can I see normal fonts again?
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02:36<bjb>I've tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, dpkg-reconfigure defoma, and dpkg-reconfigure xbase-fonts. No effect on the font display.
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02:46<valdyn>hever: no
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02:49<hever>valdyn: And am I limited to 2^16 users on debian ?
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02:53<twb>hever: are you expecting to exceed that limit?
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02:55<hever>twb: what if yes ?
02:56<hever>twb: I'm going to set up userids higher than 2^16
02:56<hever>and quotas for this uids
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03:00<oddtod>hey do you guys know of a program that will run my computer through a physical of sorts kinda push it to see if there is any issues with it i'm having lots of random issues and its not ram but it keeps giving me kernel panics
03:01<cast>oddtod: compile linux in a for loop 20 times
03:03<twb>hever: why?
03:03<twb>oddtod: how do you know it's not RAM? Did you use memtest?
03:04<dpkg>hmm... memtest is . Also check out, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
03:04<hever>twb: I have some users an they can have some webhosting packages. Each package has its own quota limitation. The user can have 255 packages. user 23 with package 22 gets id 23022.
03:05<hever>Sure never all packages will be on one server... But this format is easier to use.
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03:08<cisko>with what options should i mount a harddrive?
03:09<cisko>if i want my user to be able to access it
03:09<cast>i occasionally hear of gcc picking up memory errors that memtest didn't FWIW
03:09<dpkg>hmm... segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about <sig11>, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own
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03:10<Glanzmann>Okay Debian 4.0r2 was released.
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03:14<oddtod>does any one here play with zen?
03:16<oddtod>is that how its spelled i've only heard it spoken
03:16<zeal>yeah, speaks as zen
03:16<oddtod>does any one here play with xen?
03:16<zeal>I know someone just sit around me
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03:17<zeal>who plays with xen/zen
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03:17<oddtod>sorry guys my net connection
03:18<cast>and does your computer have an intel zeon ;P
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03:18<cast>there's a debian-xen channel, might be on freenode or oftc
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03:19<zeal>if you want to play with OS other than linux in Xen, make sure your cpu has VT support
03:19<oddtod>haha my computer doesn't have zeon processor but that would be sweet
03:19<cast>zeal: of the OS has xen support...
03:19<zeal>ur right
03:20<cast>unfortunately all dom*s have to either have PAE enabled or disabled, which is a bit of a pain
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03:20<TheLegend>Good Morning To All
03:20<cast>stock debian 32bit kernels have PAE enabled as i recall, whereas netbsd has no PAE support at all
03:20<zeal>my /proc/cpuinfo tells me that I have two Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz
03:20<Christmas>and u don't?
03:21<zeal>TheLegend: It's late in the afternoon, man :)
03:21<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
03:21<TheLegend>can somebody help me?
03:21<TheLegend>i have one problem with the upgrade
03:21<zeal>Go to go, bye all
03:21<zeal>Good morning/afternoon/night
03:21<cast>TheLegend: not until you ask
03:22<TheLegend>Preparing to replace debianutils 2.8.4 (using .../debianutils_2.28.2_i386.deb) ...
03:22<TheLegend>Unpacking replacement debianutils ...
03:22<TheLegend>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
03:22<TheLegend> trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd
03:22<TheLegend>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
03:22<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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03:22<TheLegend>can i paste you in private?
03:23<cast>you may not.
03:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
03:24<TheLegend>this erro
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03:24<TheLegend>how can i resolve?
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03:25<cast>well, you can see the issue right
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03:26<cast>what version of debian are you running?
03:28<hever>I can set up UIDs higher than 2^16 using "useradd". Is there a problem setting up user ids higher than 2^16 ?
03:29<TheLegend>i'm runnind debian etch
03:29<cast>TheLegend: and how did this issue come to be? seeing as both packages should have been installed already
03:29<TheLegend>how can i see it?
03:30<TheLegend>i don't know
03:30<cast>how can you see what?
03:30<TheLegend>what version of debian
03:30<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
03:31<cast>keep reading the factoid...
03:32<TheLegend>but this error
03:32<TheLegend>stop the upgrade
03:33<TheLegend>how can i ignore and go on?
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03:35[~]cast sits
03:35<adri>4.0r2 released ok but where a can download it
03:36<cast>'Latest official release of the "stable" CD images: 4.0 rev1. '
03:36<adri>no there is only r1
03:37<adri>rev1 ?
03:38<cast>TheLegend: so you're upgrading from sarge->etch?
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03:39<cast> was my first google hit for your error message, i'd try that
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03:39<cast> second google hit...
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03:40<adri>The latest stable release of Debian is 4.0. The last update to this release was made on August 15th, 2007. Read more about available versions of Debian.
03:40<adri>15 august
03:40<TheLegend>thankyou cast
03:40<cast>adri: there any particular reason you want a r2 cd?
03:40<TheLegend>now i'm reading
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03:41<adri>no cd
03:41<adri>i wating update
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03:41<cast>debian will automagically grab the updated packages from if you have net access
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03:42<adri>yes a have
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03:42<adri>but a have a problem with r1 with ttf-opensymbol
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03:44<adri>or have a cd ? with net install
03:44<adri>4.0 r2 ?
03:44<adri>how choise is a good ?
03:45<adri>net install or full DVD pack?
03:46<cast>grab netinstall
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03:46<cast>aka netinst
03:46<twb>Bah, mini.iso
03:47<twb>netinst is like 300MB
03:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
03:47<cast>300mb? thought it was more like <200
03:48<TheLegend>it gives another error
03:48<cast>TheLegend: well what did you do last time to fix the same class of error
03:48<TheLegend>i'll do the same
03:48<TheLegend>sorry i'm a n00b
03:48<adri>net install cd is a 180 MB
03:49<brianw>ok, #debian-xen is DOA. anyone here know where I can get Testing kernel images?
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03:50<adri>have a 3 versions
03:50<adri>stable testing
03:50<adri>and ..
03:51<adri>a think
03:51<cast>brianw: from your local debian mirror, hehe
03:51<adri>dont work
03:52<adri>in Bulgaria news for r2 is a good
03:52<brianw>adri, fresh apt-get update tonight says no xen-linux-* images.
03:52<brianw>for Testing that is.
03:52<bjb>Strange ... locate doesn't work any more. But findutils is installed. dpkg -L shows that findutils contains a bunch of locales
03:52<brianw>for stable it has 2.6.18, a BIT out of date.
03:52<bjb>I think it's time for bed
03:52<adri>i use 2.6.18 to
03:52<brianw>unstable has a 2.6.23 but it doesn't like the installable xen kernel package, claims incompatible kernel.
03:53<adri>one of the channel i see kernel 2.6.28 ?
03:53<brianw>can't use 2.6.18, it's busted on nforce chipset audio.
03:53<adri>its true ?
03:53<cast>adri: incorrect
03:54<adri>ok thanks :)
03:54<adri>i think in debian-mirros channel
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03:54<cast>brianw: well, you know linus's great plan, to have release not quite stable kernels and leave the creation of stable kernels to the distros
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03:54<brianw>bah, maybe someone who knows why all xen-linux images have been stripped from Testing will be around tomorrow.
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03:55<adri>because is updateed
03:55<mikelarry>people need to *stop making new distros and focus on improving the existing ones
03:55<adri>new version r2
03:55<mikelarry>i'm tired of this shit
03:55<adri>maby :)
03:55<adri>i dont know
03:56<adri>i wait 4.0 r2 but :)
03:57<bremner>where to report suspend regression in debian kernel 2.6.23-(1,2) on thinkpad x61. Debian BTS? Thinkpad list? lkml?
03:57<adri>debian 4.0 r2 have a kernel 2.6.23 ?
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03:58<bremner>adri: in unstable
03:58<adri>i see
03:58<adri>2.6.18 is good
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04:02<bremner>adri: I need 2.6.23 to support a sierra wireless 3G pcmcia card
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04:04<adri>i can`t help you sorry
04:04<adri>my video card is a GeForce
04:04<adri>and i can not problem
04:05<adri>with 2.6.18
04:05<adri>2.6.23 is unstable
04:05<adri>and know testing
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04:06<adri>to many peoples says debian = ubuntu its true ?
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04:06<bremner>adri: thanks anyway. I guess I might need to ask in a different location
04:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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04:07<adri>thank you
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04:09<dpkg>[apache2] a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. Also see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian regarding Apache2 configuration under Debian.
04:10<cloney>is there a channel for qt?
04:10<dpkg>[mooo] ...try apt-get moo and aptitude moo (ask me about aptitude moo to get help with it, hint: -v.... ;)
04:10<mikelarry>moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) up: 18hrs 30mins 37secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ at 2009MHz (36% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 128MB res: 1152x864 32bit 60Hz ram: 610/1535.5MB (39.74%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 847.39MB/17.86GB net:
04:11<dpkg>from memory, qt is a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac ( To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
04:11<adri>AMD is baaad
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04:13<bremner>cloney: try #debian-kde?
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04:15<dpkg>i heard iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmwire provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
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04:20<cloney>bremner thanks
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04:36<sandeep>let me please know the repositries for debian lenny
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04:53<cloney>anyone do qt devel
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05:06<mikelarry>someone please explain to me why there is absolutely no uniformity in linux?
05:06<mikelarry>you got over 1000 different distro's
05:06<mikelarry>and no consisten backened enforced api
05:06<mikelarry>just "whatever try posix"
05:07<mikelarry>and no transparent api for gnome,kde etc...
05:07<mikelarry>just use 3rd party crap
05:07<diego>use windows :-P
05:07<mikelarry>i'm really confused why there is no system api like in windows...
05:08<mikelarry>I do use windows, but the mere fact linux is lacking while you guys continue to put frosting on the shit cake with more app's
05:08<mikelarry>instead of making the cake itself better is crazy to me
05:08<diego>you could do it better by yourself ;-)
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05:09<cast>welcome to a healthy competitive environment
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05:11<cast>consistancy isn't enforced because everyones free to do what they want, there are 1000 different distros because 1000 groups of people decided to try their hand at making a distro
05:12<noflash>it's called freedom
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05:16<kooll>mikelarry: there *is* a system api
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05:17<kooll>but it's just whatever is included in the libc
05:17<mikelarry>not enforced
05:17<mikelarry>and how does GetProcessList hurt your freedom?
05:17<kooll>it does not cover graphic toolkits
05:17<mikelarry>a simple api system anyone can call to do things
05:17<cast>it's free software, of course nothings 'enforced'. that defies the point
05:17<mikelarry>if you don't like it write your own
05:18<mikelarry>1 kernel to run them all?
05:18<mikelarry>whats that about
05:18<cast>we have more than one kernel...
05:18<mikelarry>go write your own kernel from scratch then mr freedom
05:18<mikelarry>1 group makes it though
05:18<mikelarry>everyone else just edits it
05:18<noflash>mikelarry, keep paying redmond, I'm happy with linux
05:18<kooll>mikelarry: the point is, you can reuse someone else' GetProcessList
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05:19<kooll>like the one in ps
05:19<mikelarry>why not
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05:19<kooll>you don't need 'uniformity', there is some 'commonly used tools/lib'
05:19<mikelarry>yes but a simple backend api that does exactly what you want instead of everyone rewriting the same code to do the same thing
05:20<mikelarry>yes you do
05:20<kooll>the fact that there is no *one* api just reflect the fact that there is no *one* perfect backend
05:20<mikelarry>no releasing distro's with 100 different 40mb apps that are that size because they all had to manually write 20/30 lines of code to do the same thing instead of 1 api call
05:20[~]cast wonders if 'you' really means *you*
05:20<mikelarry>that really make sense
05:21<mikelarry>lets all just re-event the wheel since you can do it better than me...
05:21<kooll>mikelarry: that particular point may come from the 'Not Invented Here' syndrom, too :)
05:21<mikelarry>the same thing...
05:21<mikelarry>so make it editable
05:21<CrazyZ>short probelma with javascrpt's variable in php
05:22<mikelarry>most of you probably feel linux is superior to windows yet it doesn't even have the basics?
05:22<mikelarry>how you develop for kde, how about gnome?
05:22<mikelarry>differently...or with 3rd party bloated garbage
05:22<mikelarry>like gt
05:22<kooll>mikelarry: I don't see an issue, really
05:22<mikelarry>it's almost funny how retarded it is
05:22<cast>yeah, you joined #debian to bitch about the open/free software ecosystem
05:22<kooll>what you don't see is 'gnome is not the OS', or 'kde is not the OS'
05:23<noflash>mikelarry, you use windows and you have the balls to talk about bloat
05:23<mikelarry>tiny xp is 400mb install
05:23<kooll>I see no point in having an integrated graphic api when there are no graphic
05:23<mikelarry>and it's api functions work from 95-vista
05:23<mikelarry>uniformity, and it keeps the api size down
05:24<mikelarry>it's just common sense really
05:24<cast>CrazyZ: try a www/javascript/web channel perhaps, better chance of answer
05:24<noflash>I'm gonna stop feeding it :)
05:24<mikelarry>why even write functions? for you programmers
05:24<kooll>mikelarry: you want to talk about MFC, little man ? :)
05:24<mikelarry>why not just copy paste the same code over and over when you need to do something
05:24<kooll>cause I can use it as a perfect example of why you don't want a single api :)
05:24<mikelarry>since api and or eqiv functions is un-needed to you
05:25<mikelarry>MFC is garbage sure but that's why I use pure win api
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05:25<mikelarry>and ASM
05:25<mikelarry>so my apps are incredibly tiny fast, sexy and powerful
05:25<kooll>so, you don't use the <current uniform api> for the OS ?
05:25<mikelarry>windows api yes...
05:26<kooll>and you are basically also reinventing wheel :)
05:26<mikelarry>mfc is just c++ classes to make windows GUI api easier
05:26<mikelarry>but makes bloated pe files
05:27<kooll>gtk is just C functions to make GUI api easier
05:27<kooll>the thing is, it run on many systems, with and without Xwindow server, on strange backends like framebuffer ...
05:27<mikelarry>that's 3rd party though
05:27<mikelarry>which is said
05:27<cloney>my good fellow debian users, I just ran qt app (hello world), and I wanted to say hello hear to
05:27<kooll>why is it '3rd party' ?
05:28<kooll>it's not in the kernel, but that's all
05:28<mikelarry>programmer bob probably started gtk as a hobby project and because linux is so weak you gotta use his hobby code to make GUI apps
05:28[~]cast was under the impression the gnu project started of gtk because qt was non-free
05:28[~]cast checks
05:28<kooll>mikelarry: err ... programmer 'linus' started some tiny Os as a hobby project too :)
05:29<mikelarry>and it still is a hobby os
05:29<kooll>cast: gtk started because gimp needed many things :)
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05:29<mikelarry>as unix destroys it for networking
05:29|-|GooZ changed nick to XoX
05:29<kooll>mikelarry: err .. no
05:29<XoX>amd64 is also for intel x64 xeon chips?
05:29<mikelarry>linux fails at gaming even with it's wine and ndiswrapper and other attempts to emulate windows
05:29<kooll>XoX: yes
05:30<mikelarry>gui programming is a pain... with issues we already discussed
05:30<cast>kooll: ahh right, was confusing gnome vs kde with gtk vs qt
05:30<kooll>mikelarry: you seem tired, your arguments are weak now :)
05:30<mikelarry>even languages on linux for *real programming is sad
05:30<mikelarry>c/c++ about it
05:30<mikelarry>or something that comes with it's own GUI
05:30<mikelarry>like java
05:31<mikelarry>how's linux driver support?
05:31<kooll>or any language that can interface with C ... meaning ... almost any language :)
05:31<mikelarry>that alone shows how serious companies take it
05:31<cloney>qt isnon-free?
05:31<kooll>cloney: was
05:31<mikelarry>can't wait till my 3+ year old wireless usb linksys adapter works on linux...
05:31<mikelarry>really going far now!
05:31<kooll>mikelarry: oh ... it does work
05:32<mikelarry>no it doesn't
05:32<mikelarry>even ndiswrapper fails
05:32<kooll>actually, linksys is a good example, they use linux in some products
05:32<cast>mikelarry: tell me when you get vista running on your wireless router :)
05:32<kooll>for networking :)
05:32<mikelarry>works in vmware...with bullshit adapter
05:32<cloney>who care about wireless, when do I need wireless, never
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05:32<kooll>cloney: when you have no wire :)
05:32<oye>mikelarry: linux is not failing at gamimg, the industry is ignoring linux, we don't have 40.000.000U$ to spend on a game, as EA does, for example
05:32<mikelarry>wireless is the current and the future
05:32<cloney>intel wireless nics works fine
05:33<kooll>mikelarry: drivers exists when there is a need *and* the company developping the drivers believe it's important
05:33<cloney>gaming is for MS machines, Linux is not trying to get gamers using it
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05:33[~]cast advises windows and not users against wireless, for security/speed/reliablity issues
05:33<mikelarry>linksys custom linux on their os is garbage
05:33<mikelarry>on their routers rather
05:33[~]oye nods at cast
05:33<mikelarry><cloney> gaming is for MS machines
05:33<mikelarry>keep up with that winner attitude
05:34<kooll>it means most server hardware get drivers, and most 'common' hardware is supported
05:34<cloney>I don't know, I am not korean, I am not into video games myself
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05:34<oye>video games and computer games are not the same
05:35<kooll>and lack of support for an OS does not imply problems with that OS, too :)
05:35<cloney>have you ever tried scsii 10 000rpm harddrives, soo so fast copying and backups, and free Linux os compared to how much money for Windows scsi drivers?
05:35<cloney>I can't afford it thats all I know
05:35<cast>mikelarry: what would you like out of this conversation that couldn't be better served with either a blog or a mailing list post?
05:35<kooll>cloney: you are not making much sense either
05:35<mikelarry>gaming is second most done activity on the computer, browsing being #1
05:36<cloney>my Linux computer cost $40 and my dads windows machine cost $500 and mine is faster
05:36<kooll>mikelarry: err .. no
05:36<kooll>it depends of what you call 'computer'
05:36<cloney>I have old p3 and he has new 64 bit and it doesn't seem so much fast at all
05:36<mikelarry>lol sure i'll blog it, only defense ill get it "well linux runs on everything! beat that!"
05:36<kooll>I suppose system automation is the most done activity on 'computers'
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05:36<mikelarry>runs on many, dominates none.
05:37<cloney>I thought people mostly use xbox for gaming and those kinds of machines, except for in Korea where they do all gaming mostly on computers
05:37<mikelarry>you ever heard "a man who starts many things, finishes none."
05:37<kooll>and if you count 'browsing' as an important activity, how important is 'running the internet' ? :)
05:37<mikelarry>apply that to linux
05:37<cisko>how do i recursively search for contents in files?
05:37<mikelarry>which I cant do on linux
05:37<cloney>Linux dominates many in industry you just don't notice, but in manufacturing, and lots of these hand helds and those rtos its all linux
05:38<cast>cisko: man find
05:38<kooll>mikelarry: well ... that's my job
05:38<kooll>I run the internet!
05:38<cisko>i coudln't find the information
05:38<kooll>or at least, a small part of it
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05:38<cisko>and don't use use grep for that anyways
05:38<mikelarry>upgrade to freebsd
05:38<cloney>I don't do much file searchs but I am absolutely certain the linux kills windows in that respect
05:38<mikelarry>is far superior
05:38<mikelarry>and you know i'm right
05:38<kooll>mikelarry: no
05:38<mikelarry>kooll: yes
05:38<kooll>I 'know' it may be right sometimes on some particular point in the developpement
05:38<cisko>the find manual does not have such thing
05:38<cloney>Linux kernel is supposed to faster than bsd
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05:39<cisko>how do i recursively search for contents in files?
05:39<lupine_85>grep -r
05:39<kooll>cisko: grep, and -r
05:39<mikelarry>the ports are actually tested
05:39<cast>mikelarry: i don't think anything anyone says to you here is going to much change your opinions you formed before you joined, and as debian packages software that you complain about rather than writes it, we're in no position to do anything productive with your comments, whereas if you complained to the linus, gnu, they'll probably give more useful responses [but i wouldn't expect friendly]
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05:39<kooll>mikelarry: ports are '3rd party', as you would say :)
05:40<cisko>grep -r f*bar .
05:40<fiendishfish>How do I make my wireless interface appear when I run ifconfig?
05:40<kooll>(I have no problems with freebsd, but I currently prefer linux.)
05:40<cisko>would that mach foobar?
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05:40<fiendishfish>I've checked lsmod and all the appropriate modules are running.
05:40<oye>mikelarry: linux kernel is technically behind BSD kernel, we don't have the portability of NetBSD but we support way much more hardware, we don't have the rocksolid security of openbsd, but openbsd has pretty much nothing but security
05:40<cisko>or do you need ""
05:40<oye>and linux has some goals, freebsd has other goals
05:40<mikelarry>so you have nothing
05:40<oye>only a stupid will make such comparations
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05:41<cast>cisko: oh, bad.
05:41<fiendishfish>Can anyone help me
05:41[~]cast only read the start and end of sentence :|
05:41<mikelarry>hobby os at best, but perhaps 1 day you linux zealots will wake up and realize the keyboard warrior way is dead and we're in 2008 not 1985, anyway time for bed, goodnight brothers
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05:41<cisko>well the command isn't working
05:41<kooll>oye: I don't think it is 'technically behind'
05:41<cisko>ot at all
05:41<cisko>not at all
05:41<oye>kooll: it is
05:42<oye>you can't run linux on mainframe
05:42<oye>except if virtualized
05:42<kooll>that only means it's less portable
05:42<amphi>fiendishfish: ifconfig -a doesn't show it?
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05:43<kooll>there are so many way to compare OS that I don't think you can really 'order' them :)
05:43<cisko>grep -r "*Task*" .
05:43<cisko>why no matches
05:43<gsimmons>fiendishfish: What wireless device are you attempting to use?
05:44<kooll>you can say "it's a bit more portable, sometimes less optimal in threading, sometimes a bit faster when networking, sometimes a bit slow when accessing to disk"... you can't really say "it's behind, on all point" (except for some extremely bad OS :) )
05:44<fiendishfish>eth1 is supposed to be my wireless card, umm... the one inside a laptop, is it pcimia?
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05:44<oye>kooll: linux is a bad OS compared to BSD
05:44<cast>well linux is just a kernel ;)
05:45<amer>oye , why?
05:45<amphi>fiendishfish: built in card is not pcmcia - what card is it?
05:45<kooll>oye: I guess it depends of the point of view :)
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05:45<kooll>you can argue about what is bad exactly, and I would probably agree on many things
05:45<amphi>!start an os flamewar
05:45<kooll>but just "it's bad" can't be true
05:45<kooll>even MSDOS is good for some things ;)
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05:46<cast>cisko: grep -r "Task" . instead
05:46<fiendishfish>amphi, Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
05:46<amphi>kooll: now you go too far ;)
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05:46<ubuntpad>is there a tool to quest both the filesystem and the dpkg database to find installed but altered files?
05:47<kooll>amphi: sure. But try to get another OS with precise timing and 'complete' hardware access ;)
05:47<cast>debsums will for most files
05:47[~]ubuntpad investigates debsums
05:47<amphi>fiendishfish: I'm using one of those as we 'speak'
05:47<amphi>fiendishfish: you have the firmware in /lib/firmware?
05:47<amphi>kooll: I joke
05:47[~]cast s/files/packages
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05:48<kooll>I would not consider even touching a dos-infected disk, but I can agree on some of its strengths ;)
05:48<fiendishfish>/lib/firmware is empty amphi
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05:49<kumaran>anyone to help on grok?
05:49<gsimmons>!tell fiendishfish -about ipw2200
05:49<fiendishfish>Isnt' there another directory it could be in?
05:49<gsimmons>fiendishfish: You're required to place the firmware in the directory yourself.
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05:49<amphi>fiendishfish: you're on stable?
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05:50<fiendishfish>The modules came with debian
05:50<amphi>fiendishfish: the card will not work without the firmware
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05:51<fiendishfish>Should it be easy enough to fix the fw?
05:51<kumaran>Can anyone help me create a grokproject?
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05:54<ubuntpad>next question: is there a tool that gives me all files/dirs that do not belong to a package?
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05:55<cast>ubuntpad: is there some greater purpose you're eluding to?
05:56<cast>$ dlocate -S '.*'|wc -l
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05:56<cast>i'd try running diff that vs find /
05:57<ubuntpad>upgrading the system by actually reinstalling, and i don't wont to lose files (kind of backup purpose)
05:57<ubuntpad>i am thinking about writing a tool for that
05:57<ubuntpad>unless there already is one
05:58<amphi>fiendishfish: just put it in /lib/firmware yourself
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06:02<cast>ubuntpad: personally i'd just back up the likely areas, /usr/local/, /etc, /var/ {sans logs, cache}, /home, but then i have lots of space :)
06:02<kraus>hi! i'm using lenny and was wondering whatäs
06:02<ubuntpad>that's exactly my problem ;-)
06:03<kraus>sry, i was wondering what's the reason apt-get keeps some packages back and doesn't install them
06:03<ubuntpad>i'll be looking at the debsums code
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06:03<fiendishfish>amphi, it's in lib/firmware/ipw220
06:03<fiendishfish>is tha tok
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06:03<cast>kraus: try a dist-upgrade?
06:03<fiendishfish>amphi, Now what
06:04<kraus>alright, what's the main difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade
06:05<amphi>fiendishfish: AFAIK, it needs to be in /lib/firmware, not a subdir
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06:05<cast>kraus: documented in the manpage
06:05<fiendishfish>amphi, It's done now
06:06<amphi>fiendishfish: remove and modprobe the module again, and see if ifconfig -a shows the iface
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06:07<fiendishfish>How do iremove
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06:57<XoX>how long does it take to create an encrypted volume ? it is stuck on erasing data ...
06:57<XoX>it is stuck on erasing data in debian-installer
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07:03<cloney>XoX, press return
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07:21<KaiSVK>hi all
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07:30<XoX>cloney, w00t
07:30<XoX>cloney, it's increasing just very slowley
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07:31<cast>that pisses me off, i just set up manual partitioning and turn off the wipe option
07:31<cast>i don't have 6 hours to waste
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07:32<padski>cast: huh?
07:32<cast>in the installer
07:32<cast>if you let it autopartition with dm-crypt/luks
07:32<cast>it takes it on itself to wipe the PV
07:32<padski>cast: you don't like having the option to do things the way you want to, or you think that should be the default ?
07:33<padski>cast: sounds like you should file a bug report
07:33<cast>i mean partition containing the PV*
07:34<cast>they installer folks are aware of the issue of not being able to cancel the wipe operation
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08:11<TheLegend>cast are you here?
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08:14<cast>TheLegend: yes.
08:15<TheLegend>i have another one problem with proftpd
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08:15<ale_ryu>hey guys, i'm looking for a command line app to reduce the quality of pdf files, do any of you know any?
08:15<TheLegend>cast 2 question
08:15<cast>were you the guy i told to use vsftpd
08:16<TheLegend>the first is
08:16<TheLegend>why when i connect to the server with ssh it say
08:16<TheLegend>Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
08:16<TheLegend>permitted by applicable law.
08:16<TheLegend>You have new mail.
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08:16<TheLegend>you have new mail
08:16<TheLegend>how can i read it?
08:17<Scurz>in /var/mail/ ?
08:17<TheLegend>i'll try
08:17<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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08:19<TheLegend>Scurz: i went to this directory but i don't find any mail
08:19<TheLegend>only root and www-data
08:20<cast>just type 'mail'
08:20<padski>!tell TheLegend about mua
08:21<TheLegend>for erase all mail?
08:21<sooperkuh>ale_ryu: i think pdfopt should do this
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08:22<sooperkuh>ale_ryu: in the ghostscript package
08:23<Scurz>TheLegend: no, read the man of the mail command please
08:23<Scurz>TheLegend: man mail
08:23<padski>TheLegend: or try #debian-it
08:23<ale_ryu>thanks a lot!
08:23<TheLegend>paski tnx
08:24<TheLegend>i know better the italian than the english
08:24<padski>TheLegend: I guessed as much. will be happy to help if there is noone there
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08:30<TheLegend>nobody reply
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08:31<TheLegend>so i try here
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08:31<padski>TheLegend: each mailbox is a single file named for the user in /var/mail
08:32<padski>TheLegend: you can delete such files with regular tool. man rm
08:33<padski>TheLegend: or you can manage individual mails with an mua
08:33<TheLegend>it's a server without graphics
08:33<TheLegend>there isn't kde or gnome
08:33<sooperkuh>thelegend: if that is the only problem, then install "mutt"
08:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
08:34<TheLegend>this error
08:34<sooperkuh>it is a very usable mail program that does not need x
08:34<padski>+1 recommendation for mutt
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08:37<padski>TheLegend: upgrading directly from sarge to lenny is not supported
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08:37<TheLegend>if i want to remove proftpd-common it gives me this error
08:38<padski>TheLegend: preffered to do sarge->etch and then etch->lenny
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08:38<TheLegend>i think it's already etch
08:38<funalien>can you help me to find the program for linux which is similar to Image Grabber for Windows???
08:38<padski>1.2.10 was sarge
08:38<cast>funalien: and imagegrabber does what
08:38<TheLegend>what i can do?
08:40<funalien>cast, but it's for Windows, while I need one for linux
08:40<padski>TheLegend: remove the proftpd packages ?
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08:40<TheLegend>yes i'm doing it
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08:40<cast>funalien: i'm asking. WHAT DOES IT DO. you see, we don't use windows, how are we supposed to know
08:41<funalien>cast, it makes screenshots from video file
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08:43<sooperkuh>funalien: if you can stop the video, the Gimp has a nice screenshot function
08:44<cast>funalien: plenty of video players will do that
08:44<cast>the s key in mplayer, for example
08:44<funalien>please look at this description and compare it with these you offered "Image Grabber II is a free tool that can grab screenshots from any video file (avi, mpg, dat, asf, wmv, qt, mov, rm, rmvb, vob)and save the screenshot as customized thumbnails to a single file or multiple files."
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08:48<cast>nfi. i don't post porn, try aptitude search for a while
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08:50<funalien>i heard the new debian was released, didn't it?
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08:51<muep>funalien: an update to Debian 4.0 was
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09:21<un1xer>Hi, any one knows when the Etch 40r2 netinstall cd images will be available?
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09:27<Scurz>Which port is used for SSL with the FTP protocol ?
09:28<cast>0 ~$ grep ftps /etc/services
09:28<Ganneff>grepgrep ftps /etc/services
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09:34<muep>is it possible to mount an ext3 partition so that it ignores the file owners?
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09:35<muep>instead I would like it to show the owner of all the files to be a specific user
09:36<padski>muep: man mount
09:36<muep>similarly to the uid=*** option when mounting a vfat partition
09:36<muep>i've read man mount a few times, it doesn't mention anything like that for ext2 or ext3
09:37<muep>I am trying to make my external hard disk usable on multiple computers
09:37<padski>muep: apologies, I thought there was something, but I don't see it there either :-(
09:37<muep>all of the run Linux, but not all of them are mine
09:38<muep>I would like to find a solution to this, that I could recommend to others then
09:38<padski>muep: interesting problem. I take it that co-ordinated uids is out of the question ?
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09:39<padski>muep: have you considered udf ? it is supposed to be designed for the removable media use-case
09:39<chester_martins>How can i install exaile in debian etch?
09:40<muep>padski: I'm trying to do it without coordinated uids, as it is hard to maintain
09:41<padski>muep: I figured so. udf ?
09:41<muep>is udf well supported in linux?
09:41<padski>chester_martins: exaile is available in lenny and sid.
09:41<padski>dpkg tell chester_martins about simple sid backport
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09:42<chester_martins>padski, what is the deb-src of sid?
09:42<padski>muep: I don't honestly know
09:43<muep>padski: according to wikipedia, udf is designed for optical media
09:43<padski>chester_martins: same as etch, but replace etch with sid
09:44<chester_martins>thnks :
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09:45<padski>muep: yes, and it has a few really odd features as a result, but mostly it is trying to be cross-platform, which leads to interesting, if complex, design. If nothing else it is worth a look for the insights it may give you into the problem space.
09:46<padski>muep: have you considered vfat ?
09:46<muep>padski: yes, but it's a 500 G disk, which might make it interesting...
09:47<muep>it's still an option, though
09:47<muep>I'm even considering ntfs
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09:47<padski>muep: ouch! I would advise against 500G vfat filesystem.
09:48<padski>muep: :-)
09:48<muep>padski: me, too
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09:48<muep>maybe in smaller bits...
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09:49<muep>I could partition the disk into four 125 G pieces, which would be a bit more reasonable
09:49<muep>and I could even use different filesystems for the partitions
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09:50<cast>surely windows must support a decent filesystem
09:50<cast>no working ext2/reiserfs drivers?
09:51<muep>there are
09:51<muep>the problem is I can't get ext3 behave as desired in Linux
09:51<muep>which it would with the windows driver
09:51<muep>ntfs would also work in linux
09:51<padski>muep: have you considered looking at what it would take to add this feature for ext2/3 ?
09:52<muep>padski: I'm playing with the thought of it, but unfortunately I know almost nothing about filesystems or kernel programming
09:53<cast>could you just set the entire FS to anyone rw
09:53<cast>[with chmod]
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09:53<fxiny>is a windows side problem ?
09:53<muep>I find it quite ironic that both Linux+NTFS and Windows+Ext2/3 would work better than Linux+Ext2/3
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09:54<muep>windows compatibility isn't a problem, I use it so little
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09:54<padski>muep: what about using setgid ?
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09:55<muep>cast: it's a bit hackish, requires root privileges every time and needs to be done every time I switch computers
09:55<cast>muep: no it doesn't
09:55<chester_martins>padski, you use sid version?
09:55<muep>cast: oh, you're right, rw stays
09:55<cast>once the entire FS is a+rw and a+rwx then what needs to be done with each new mount? nothing!
09:56<padski>chester_martins: please don't pm, use the public channel
09:56<muep>cast: can you remove a file you don't own, even from a rw directory?
09:56[~]cast tries
09:57<chester_martins>i just wanna know if sid version is stable
09:57<padski>chester_martins: I don't use exaile
09:57<chester_martins>not exaile
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09:57<cast>mentor: yes.
09:57<padski>chester_martins: sid is unstable by definition
09:57<chester_martins>i want to know if is secure upgrade etch to sid
09:57<chester_martins>i know
09:57<cast>muep: yes, you can do anything it seems
09:58<padski>chester_martins: if you have to ask that question, then then answer is that you should not
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09:58<padski>chester_martins: but the backport instructions from earlier on, they should be okay to follow.
09:58<muep>cast: can I make all files I create on the drive to have rw permissions for all users?
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09:59<chris_>hello packages ofkde 4 rc 2 for debian?
09:59<shay>The only solution for EM64T on debian is intsalling amd64?
09:59<cast>muep: ahh, i know. could you have a common group between all the machines? :)
09:59<cast>please stop typing my name on one fucking line
09:59<TheLegend>can you help me to reinstall tflux b4rt?
10:00<muep>cast, padski, others: thanks for, help, need to go now for a while
10:00<padski>TheLegend: address your questions to the channel. people will help when they can
10:00<TheLegend>can you help me to reinstall tflux b4rt?
10:01<Scurz>I don't understand why pure-ftpd doesn't listen to the port for SSL, I compiled pure-ftpd like indicated here
10:01<dli>shay, amd64 is the name for all x86_64 in debian, intel or amd
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10:02<fxiny>ftp ? i'd use duplicity over ftp
10:03<Scurz>fxiny: what do you mean by "duplicity" ?
10:03<padski>Scurz: ftp over ssl is a bit of a ghost town. nat-traversal problems. considered sftp or scp ?
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10:04<Scurz>padski: yes, why not
10:04<fxiny>Scurz: apt-cache show duplicity , that one
10:04<fxiny>ftp must die :P
10:05<Scurz>fxiny: oh, okay, duplicity is a package :p
10:05<witte>fxiny: were you the one advertising mrxvt yesterday?
10:05<fxiny>witte: yes ;)
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10:06<witte>fxiny: tried it, and it looks great, only no utf-8, and i have a font problem
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10:06<fxiny>witte: i hate utf . i removed it
10:06<TheLegend>only one things
10:06<TheLegend>i have this
10:06<TheLegend>Apache/2.2.6 (Debian) PHP/5.2.4-2 with Suhosin-Patch Server
10:06<TheLegend>but it doesn0t load tflux
10:06<Scurz>fxiny: you should like utf :)
10:06<fxiny>i don't :)
10:06<witte>fxiny: the font problem is that i want a sans-serif font, but i do not know which :-)
10:07<witte>fxiny: which font have you set in ~/.mrxvtrc?
10:07<fxiny>witte: i use this one : Mrxvt.font: -xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
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10:07<witte>frank: or do you know how i can set it to the same as xterm
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10:08<witte>frank: sorry, this was for fxiny (damn tab completino
10:08<fxiny>witte: i use sarge mrxvt
10:08<Scurz>fxiny: utf, but it's the best locale</troll>
10:08<fxiny>Scurz: nahhhh . i hate it !
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10:09<fxiny>Scurz: i even removed 99% of the locales crap :P
10:09<witte>fxiny: the font you provided does not seem to work
10:09<fxiny>witte:are terminus installed ?
10:10<witte>fxiny: probably not :-), one second
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10:10<Scurz>fxiny: that is very radical as solution
10:10<fxiny>witte: this is my mrxvt version : 0.4.0-3
10:10<fxiny>Scurz: :)
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10:10<fxiny>Scurz: 180MB free
10:10<Scurz>boarf :)
10:10<fxiny>somethinbg like that
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10:10<fede>hola alguno se anima en espaniol?
10:10<witte>fxiny: i have 5.3.1 or something (sid version)
10:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:11<Scurz>fede: #debian-es ;)
10:11<fxiny>witte: how many tabs can you open ?
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10:11<fede>gracias scurz
10:11<fxiny>witte: i can use up to ten
10:11<witte>fxiny: don't know, at least 3
10:12<fxiny>witte: iirc etch mrxvt limit is 5
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10:12<witte>15 goes
10:12<fxiny>15 ?
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10:12<fxiny>bloody hell ! i must get sources
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10:14<fede>scurz.. is empty
10:14<fxiny>witte: so what about terminus fonts ? are they working on your version ?
10:14<fxiny>because i do only terminus
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10:15<witte>fxiny: not yet, the -15 fonts are not there, so i copied one of the fonts listed in /usr/share/doc/xfonts-terminus/README.Debian, but it still does not work
10:15<Scurz>fede: perhaps, try on
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10:15<fxiny>witte: xfontsel
10:15<fede>aja... ok..
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10:17<witte>fxiny: not there, maybe I have to run something special, but i will try to select an other font, you gave me some hints on other possibilities
10:17<witte>fxiny: thanks
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10:18<fxiny>Scurz: i've checked vsftpd on a vserver too . sharing home with the host : fantastic
10:18<fxiny>witte: np . if you find some nice new sid fonts let me know :)
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10:20<witte>fxiny: I like the one that xterm uses, but i do not know how i can find that out
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10:20<fxiny>i knew it . trying to rememnber
10:23<fxiny>witte: they are fixed fonts : check less /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias
10:24<witte>no such file, but i use sid, and maybe the font paths are changed...
10:25<witte>ok, they are in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc
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10:25<fxiny>well . this is a sarge2etch upgraded box . i've copied most of the fornts dir from sarge . maybe is just mine
10:26<witte>the terminus fonts are there
10:26<fxiny>witte: on the long run terminus are the best
10:26<witte>fxiny: i have no idea how they look like :-)
10:27<fxiny>very smooth , very readable
10:27<fxiny>is a matter of taste anyway
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10:28<fxiny>i need to look into sid mrxvt . 15 tabs are not too bad , slurp :))
10:28<brmuljo>In the history profession, we used to have an idea called "Great Men" [] (the idea that great, unique individuals make history). But in recent decades, this idea has fallen out of favor in the history field, in favor of the idea that mass movements and attitude shifts within the larger society "make" the history (the so-called "Zeitgeist" [] idea). Traditionally,...
10:29<brmuljo>...inventions like the phone, radio, etc. have been attributed to a unique individual genius. Yet, the more we learn, we see that theses inventions seemed almost "in the air" of the times, with any number of people developing them independently of one another. It seems that if Edison hadn't "invented" the phonograph, someone else would have (and someone else probably did, or was at least...
10:29<brmuljo>What's truly amazing is that two men (perhaps more) were working, pretty much independently of each other, yet came up with the same basic idea in such a parallel fashion that they ended up arriving at the U.S. patent office withing HOURS of each other.
10:29<brmuljo>...working on it at the same time).
10:29<fxiny>iirc 3 more then gnome-terminal
10:29<brmuljo>I used to be a big proponent of "Great Men" history myself, but stuff like this gives me pause.
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10:31<gOLdenHaWK3D>madprobe: hi lozer
10:31<brmuljo>The Dragon see, with seven mantles red,
10:31<brmuljo>Wielding two swords and crownèd with two crowns;
10:31<brmuljo>Great-grandchild of the faithless Turk, with Koran!
10:31<brmuljo>Behind him hordes of that accursèd breed,
10:31<brmuljo>That they may devastate the whole wide earth,
10:31<fxiny>about the phone ? 2 men ? iirc there are 3 men involved
10:31<brmuljo>As locusts pestilent lay waste the fields!
10:31<brmuljo>Had not the Rock of France its onrush curbed,
10:31<brmuljo>Arabia’s flood had surely deluged all!
10:31<brmuljo>Osman - infernal dream - was monarch crown’d;
10:31<brmuljo>The pale moon wedded, she his apple fair;
10:31<brmuljo>From whom sprang Orkan, Europe’s evil guest;
10:31<brmuljo>And now Byzantium’s realm is nothing more
10:31<brmuljo>Than the youthful Theodora’s dowry -
10:31<brmuljo>The star of destiny hangs darkly over her.
10:32<brmuljo>Now Paleologos bids Murat in,
10:32<brmuljo>To bury in one grave both Greeks and Serbs.
10:32<brmuljo>Their own ends sought both Brankovitch and Gerluka -
10:32<brmuljo>Meet recompense Mohammed gave to Gerluka!
10:32<brmuljo>From out far Asia where they have their nest,
10:32<fxiny>vi are unter attack
10:32<brmuljo>This Devil’s brood doth gulp the nations up;
10:32<brmuljo>Each day a nation, as night-owl takes bird:
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10:32<brmuljo>Murat takes Serbia, and Bosnia Bayazed;
10:32<brmuljo>Murat Epirus, and Mohammed Greece;
10:32<brmuljo>Then the two Selims Africa and Cyprus -
10:32<brmuljo>Each takes something till nothing is there left!
10:32<brmuljo>Dreadful the deeds that happen day by day;
10:32<brmuljo>Too small is this wide world for Hell’s great maw,
10:32<brmuljo>Which, though feeding ever, never knows repletion!
10:32<fxiny>!ops brmuljo is drunk
10:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fxiny complains about: brmuljo is drunk
10:32<brmuljo>Yanko doth fight for Vladislaus dead;
10:32<brmuljo>But why fight on when fighting gives not aid?
10:32<brmuljo>Brave heart Obilitch beats in Skenderbeg,
10:32<brmuljo>And yet he pines in pitiless exile. -
10:32<brmuljo>But what can I! What helper is me nigh?
10:32<brmuljo>We have but few strong arms; our strength is small;
10:32<brmuljo>We are as wisps of straw tossed on the wind;
10:32<brmuljo>As orphan’d sad, forsaken of the world,
10:32<brmuljo>I see my people sleep a deadly sleep,
10:32<brmuljo>No parent’s hand to wipe away my tears;
10:32<brmuljo>God’s Heaven is shut above my head,
10:32<brmuljo>Giving no answer to my cries and prayers.
10:32<brmuljo>This world is now become a hell,
10:32<brmuljo>And men but demons in disguise.
10:32<brmuljo>Oh, dark, dark Day! oh, outlook ever black!
10:32<brmuljo>My fearing folk held ever underfoot!
10:33<brmuljo>Sure I have seen thy woe and all thine ill,
10:33<brmuljo>Yet ’gainst the worst I now must set my will!
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10:33<brmuljo>When deadly wound is given in the head,
10:33<brmuljo>The quivering frame doth painfully expire.
10:33<brmuljo>Plague of mankind! May God make end of thee!
10:33<brmuljo>Is half a world so small, to thee so small -
10:33<brmuljo>A half-world filled with horror of thy deeds -
10:33<brmuljo>That pois’nous stenches from thy demon soul
10:33<brmuljo>Thou now must bring to spue upon our rock?
10:33<brmuljo>Is it small offering - of Serbia the whole
10:33<fxiny>Ganneff: where's your spam killer ?
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10:36<Ganneff>fxiny: it doesnt detect such a thing as it could be something legal... anyway, killed.
10:37<fxiny>Ganneff: yeahhh . that muppet's in the gutter with the clown now :P
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10:37<sandeep>please tell me the best repositries for lenny
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10:38<p1r4t4>@find transformer
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10:40<@Ganneff>(its klined)
10:40|-|mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff
10:40<fxiny>nice one
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10:42<witte>wow, interrupted by real life (phone) for a bit, and there was more to read then on a normal entire day :-)
10:42<ubuntpad>can someone tell me a (package) installation script generated file from the top of his head?
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10:44<ubuntpad>i'd like to know whether such a file will have its md5 registered in the dpkg database
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11:03<witte>fxiny: I can still not load the font as I want, but i did "Mrxvt.xft: 0", and this let it choose the default font, which is the xterm font, so i am happy :-)
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11:08<fxiny>witte: maybe is because Mrxvt.font: is for my old version . check your mrxvt version docs
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11:15<fxiny>witte: i'm checking mrxvt home page : new syntax and amazing new features , i'm gonna upgrade it
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11:16<fxiny>witte: yes : "The menu syntax for actions from 0.5.x is incompatible with the syntax from earlier versions. "
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11:22<Drako69>i need some help setting up IR on my laptop
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11:22<dpkg>it has been said that lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at
11:23<Drako69>yes i have lirc, its not working, i've tried every driver and module
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11:26<witte>fxiny: i do not think i use the menu at this moment, :-), I will have to explore the possibilities of the program. ==> RTFM witte
11:26<Ikarus>anyone know what happend to the plans for a parallel init for Debian ?
11:26<fxiny>witte: i'm trying to compile it . looking for x window system lib
11:26<Ikarus>most of my boot up init scripts are waiting for I/O and such sillyness
11:27<Drako69>right now i'm trying to figure out how to find out what chipset, or what bus the IR is using but i haven't found anything on finding out how to
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11:29<Supaplex>Drako69: what's the ir attached to? mainboard? usb? serial? what have you researched so far?
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11:30<Drako69>its mainboard on a acer aspire 7720, i've been looking all over for what the chipset is but i can't find anything on it
11:30<fxiny>witte: hmmm : libc6 could be a problem . firing up a scratch box
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11:32<witte>fxiny: 0.5.2 is in etch
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11:33<fxiny>yes ?
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11:34<witte>fxiny: it is not the latest release, but maybe good enough?
11:35<witte>fxiny: or you could try a simple backport of the sid version
11:35<fxiny>witte: i think 0.5.2 has full debug on , 5.3 need to be no-scroll-with-buffer-mrxvt-0.5.3.patch ed :=)
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11:38<fxiny>witte: no mrxvt-common anymore ?
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11:40<witte>fxiny: ii mrxvt-common 0.5.3-1 lightweight multi-tabbed X terminal emulator
11:42<Drako69>is there a way to poll com ports?
11:43<fxiny>witte: found it . tx
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11:43<cahoot>Drako69: maybe look at setserial
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11:51<fxiny>witte: hahahah it works ! double checking :))
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11:57<fxiny>witte: hold on : 0.5.2-2 is etch version : of course it works ! you told me lenny has 5.2 ?
11:58<fxiny>i want a large trout !
11:58<witte>i told you that the latest stable version was 0.5.2
11:58<witte>!trout fxiny
11:58<witte>does not work :-)
11:58<fxiny>stable ? i don't want stable :)
11:59<fxiny>witte: is ok :)
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11:59<fxiny>i'll checl 5.3 later
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11:59<witte>0.5.3 is in testing indeed
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12:00<witte>and i use sid, so the line you got from me was also 0.5.3-1
12:00<fxiny>ok ok
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12:10<qwe>How to mirror a dir with one command (instead of two commands rm -rf mir; cp -a dir mir)
12:11<kooll>rsync -a --delete dir mir
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12:14<fxiny>qwe: why -rf mir ? is it a local "mirror" you want ?
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12:15<qwe>fxiny: I want dir "mir" to become exact copy of dir "dir" (local mirroring)
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12:17<fxiny>qwe: local mirror as kool told you is rsync -avz --delete , i don't understand rm -fr . it looks like you want to mv dir1 dir2
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12:18<fxiny>qwe: i use mirrordir for cloning . could be pretty dangerous
12:18<fxiny>check the man
12:20<qwe>fxiny: I have two dirs "dir" and "mir" and want to modify "mir" such way that it become exact copy of "dir". The most obvious way to do this is first delete mir "rm -rf mir" and then copy: "cp -a mir dir". Thanks for suggesting rsync and mirrordir.
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12:21<fxiny>qwe: so yu want rsync -avz --delete 1 2 . it will do that . i'd leave mirrordir , rsync is safer
12:22<fxiny>qwe: the exact syntax is : -avz --delete 1/ 2/
12:22<sybariten>there are no scandinavian download mirrors for the debian live images are there? (the sort of official ones)
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12:22<qwe>fxiny: Why rsync is safer than mirrordir?
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12:24<fxiny>qwe: if you do it wrong mirrodir can delete everything . see the man
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12:24<qwe>fxiny: But if I do wrong rsync then ... ?
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12:24<cahoot>sybariten: try #debian-live
12:25<fxiny>qwe: yes . local or remote .
12:25<qwe>fxiny: What "yes"?
12:25<JackSparrow>problens setting etch... anyone can help me?
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12:26<fxiny>qwe: i'd use rsync
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12:26<chealer>JackSparrow: not unless you explain how anyone can help you.
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12:27<fxiny>qwe: cp can do what mirrordir does . mirrodir adds nothing
12:27<fxiny>when cloning
12:27<saapas>does lsmod report module sizes in bytes or what?
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12:28<JackSparrow>Ok, chealer, I set up debian on Compaq presario C300, its the only OS on my pc, i feel that the volumen control doesnt give all the power
12:28<fxiny>qwe: you can check rdiff-backup
12:29<sybariten>cahoot: thanks, was already there and had already asked, but i didnt think they were active enough
12:29<JackSparrow>so, as result the volume in very low, how I can fixit
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12:30<qwe>JackSparrow: gnome-alsamixer
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12:31<bcochofel>How can I check the last exit code return by a shell command?
12:32<JackSparrow>qwe, I check it, and i have it at 100%, but still working bad
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12:34<qwe>bcochofel: $?
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12:35<dtony>je cherche le répertoire pour ajouter des types de sessions à gd mais je e sait plus ou c'est
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12:35<JackSparrow>Another problem, is when I try to run a movie, using TOTEM, 2 secons after that the aplication get close
12:35<bcochofel>qwe: thx
12:35<dtony>excuse me, I was thinking I'm on french chat
12:36<JackSparrow>qwe: I check it, and i have it at 100%, but still working bad
12:36<qwe>JackSparrow: I can't help with mixer, I assume ALSA mixer is the final answer and can't add anything
12:37<dtony>nobody know where are session files for gdm?
12:37<JackSparrow>qwe: tks, can you help me runnig TOTEM
12:38<qwe>JackSparrow: Try installing different version of TOTEM, my totem is 2.16.5-3 and works,
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12:39<JackSparrow>qwe: Ok, i will try that version
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13:04<TheLegend>good evening!
13:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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13:05<TheLegend>i have the following problem with proftpd
13:05<TheLegend>can somebody help me?
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13:06<witte>TheLegend: what is the line 38 of '/etc/proftpd/modules.conf'
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13:06<TheLegend>LoadModule mod_load.c
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13:07<TheLegend>LoadModule mod_lang.c
13:08<witte>TheLegend: ok, i do not use proftpd, so i really have no idea
13:08<witte>TheLegend: from google:
13:09<Scurz>TheLegend: try to search with Google please
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13:10<TheLegend>i've already searched but i don't know what i search!
13:10<witte>TheLegend: it is a bug that is fixed by now
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13:11<witte>TheLegend: which debian are you using?
13:11<TheLegend>good anwser!
13:11<Scurz>TheLegend: try to search with the error message
13:11<TheLegend>i don't know
13:11<Scurz>cat /etc/debian_version to know your debian version
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13:15<JackSparrow>hi, im traying to sincronice ipaq pocket pc whit debian etch, how y do it?
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13:16<TheLegend>Scurz there are the same post
13:16<TheLegend>but i don't find any solution
13:16<witte>JackSparrow: don't really know, but maybe gammu?
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13:17<bjb>After an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, the fonts on my thinkcentre 350 have gone fuzzy (illegible) in X and the consoles don't show any text (the monitor goes into power-save mode when I switch to a text console - and comes back out of power-save when I return to the X console)
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13:17<JackSparrow>witte: please explain a litte bit more
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13:17<Scurz>TheLegend: I cannot help you, I never used proftpd, I prefer pure-ftpd.
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13:18<bjb>I've dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg and xfonts-base and defoma - (no effect on this problem) - what else can I do?
13:18<witte>TheLegend: you can go to, go to the bug number in that post (or search for proftpd bugs) and there it is stated that it is solved in the latest version
13:18<bjb>It's a wide-screen monitor. Worked fine before the upgrade - and works fine with a live CD now.
13:19<bjb>but I'm not so good at X stuff - dunno what to look up.
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13:19<witte>TheLegend: this means that the version in sid is fixed, and there are patches available to fix your version
13:19<witte>TheLegend: you have lenny as the file you want to download is not the latest one, but it will enter lenny shortly
13:20<fxiny>bjb: are you running etch ?
13:20<bjb>fxiny, yes
13:20<TheLegend>i have to modify
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13:20<bjb>fxiny, no
13:20<TheLegend>the sources
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13:20<fxiny>bjb: try reconfiguring fontconfig
13:20<TheLegend>and install proftpd for sid?
13:20[~]bjb is living in the past, still
13:20<fxiny>sid ?
13:20<bjb>thanks fxiny will try right away
13:20<fxiny>no idea what sud uses
13:20<witte>as you can see here:
13:20<bjb>well I'll try anyway :-) thanks fxiny
13:21<fxiny>bjb: good luck then :)
13:21<witte>JackSparrow: well, install gammu and see if it works
13:21<witte>JackSparrow: i do not have an ipac
13:23<witte>TheLegend: if I were you, i would download the new file from here: and install it using dpkg -i
13:23<witte>TheLegend: alternatively you can patch the etch version
13:23<TheLegend>if i put the sid repository
13:24<TheLegend>i do apt-get update
13:24<TheLegend>and apt-get install proftpd?
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13:24<TheLegend>it's the same?
13:24<witte>TheLegend: you really should not switch to sid as I have the feeling that this would mean you would have to spend a lot of time in this channel ;-)
13:24<usr03>EU NÃO FALO INGLES
13:24[~]fxiny watches sid dogs biting ppl
13:25<TheLegend>i like this channel
13:25<witte>TheLegend: you just shouldn't do that
13:26<witte>TheLegend: unless you have a spare pc which you can use to experiment
13:26[~]fxiny feeds sid dogs with sausages , to keep it fit ....
13:26<TheLegend>it's a server
13:26<witte>TheLegend: if it is a server it should run stable
13:26<TheLegend>before i try with a very old pc!
13:27<TheLegend>how i can do?
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13:27<TheLegend>how i can install proftpd stable?
13:27<TheLegend>it give me this error
13:27<witte>TheLegend: you can not downgrade, so leave it in lenny
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13:27<TheLegend>lenny is going very welll
13:28<TheLegend>i'm a genius!
13:28<witte>TheLegend: did you try to download this deb and install it?
13:29<JackSparrow>witte: Ok, i will install it.
13:29<TheLegend>i've just done it!
13:29<witte>TheLegend: that is if your server is i386 architecture?
13:29<TheLegend>yes 1386
13:29<TheLegend>i've done with aptitude
13:29<TheLegend>now it works
13:29<fxiny>scud rox !
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13:29<witte>you have changed your sources to sid?
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13:30<fxiny>a bit ugly as all dogs are , but rocks !
13:30<witte>TheLegend: you should put them back to testing
13:30<TheLegend>yes yes
13:30<usr03>quem fala portugues ai
13:30<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:30<TheLegend>now i have to install it
13:30<TheLegend>Installing proFTPd Administrator
13:31<fxiny>i am the real legend not you : vsftp runs in a vserver :P
13:32<fxiny>sharing the host home ;)
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13:34<fxiny>i can hear all packets banging they're head around in circle on the moboe
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13:36<bgat>I'm running Linux debian 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
13:37<bgat>I want to build a module against that kernel. What's the apt command to get the right kernel source?
13:37<witte>bgat: i do not think that those sources are still in the repositories?
13:37<azeem>bgat: try module-assistant first
13:38<witte>bgat: maybe you can also upgrade to the latest kernel
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13:39<witte>bgat: and the sources you can find by "apt-cache search linux-source" after which you can install them with apt-get install
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13:41<bgat>yea, looks like the 2.6.22 kernel isn't in the repos anymore. that's the downside to running sid, I guess! :)
13:41<bgat>I'll update to the latest kernel, and take it from there.
13:41<bgat>I was doing apt-cache and m-a, I just wasn't reading the error messages close enough...
13:42<witte>bgat: and follow azeem's advise: try module-assistant first
13:42<bgat>I did, and it said that it couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686
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13:44<bgat>ugh, also requires a libc6 upgrade apparently....
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13:48<guillaume>compiz-fusion from shame repository refuse to work properly since upgrade (nvidia 100.14.28) does someone else have the same problem ?
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13:53<flexy>What is the way of getting wired eth (dhcp) configured WHEN it gets plugged in? This is on laptop, which mostly is connected thru wlan with wpa_supplicant...
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14:00<pix3lek>Hi, i must install win32codecs but i dont know how. Cen help?
14:00<cisko>apt-get them
14:00<bjb>Well ... in one boot of three, the font came back properly. In the first boot, there was a viewable font in X (unfortunately I didn't check the consoles). But as that was the wrong kernel I rebooted and the problem came back (this was after dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig)
14:01<pix3lek>cisko i dont have it
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14:01<Hideo_Kuze>pix3lek: I believe it is called w32codecs
14:01<cisko>you don't have apt
14:02<Hideo_Kuze>and the source is
14:02<pix3lek>i have apt but i dont found win32codecs in it
14:02<Hideo_Kuze>it's not official
14:02<metalqga>pix3lek what do you want to do?
14:03<cisko>root-tail -g 200x100+100+100 /bin/dmesg,green -f -i 1
14:03<cisko>shouldn't that work
14:03<pix3lek>i want install win32codecs
14:03<metalqga>i see but why?
14:03<metalqga>what file format you want to play
14:03<pix3lek>i must play wmv
14:04<metalqga>my etch plays it. just installed VLC
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14:08<pix3lek>metalqga thx :*
14:08<pix3lek>[; bye
14:08<pix3lek>yes, thx
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14:09<pix3lek>bye [;
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14:09<metalqga>I'll sleep well tonight
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14:16<flexy>is there a way to get the wired eth configured WHEN plugging in the cable?
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14:16<norbert_>hi, is there any Skype version for Linux that has webcam support?
14:17<metalqga>the latest beta
14:17<norbert_>I'm trying their website but I get 1.4
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14:17<norbert_>I should probably get 2.0, any idea where?
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14:18<Lektron>anyone here using Tesseract OCR from Sid?
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14:19<metalqga>does this ocr read cyrillic?
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14:20<Lektron>metalqga: no
14:21<Lektron>i can't even get it to read English yet . . .
14:21<metalqga>then I'm not using it :D
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14:21<metalqga>try gocr
14:21<metalqga>it's good
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14:21<Lektron>really? i used it briefly with XSane, and got poor results
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14:22<metalqga>it was the only one that acutally worked with me
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14:22<norbert_>bourne: any idea what this means? "uvcvideo: Found a valid video chain (1 -> 5)"
14:22<Lektron>tesseract + libjpeg + tiff seem to be at odds
14:22<juny20>Hello all! I have a quick question. I have Debian 4.0 in a CD ready to install. I already have Fedora on the partition I will use. I have a /home partition. Will the partition be safe during installation?
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14:22<metalqga>if you dont try to make the same user for debian
14:23<fxiny>iirc redhat uses different uid . 500 ?
14:23<metalqga>actually have never tried that
14:23<lrp>hello againnn
14:23<bjb>Description of my X fonts (and console fonts) problem at - along with screenshots and what I've tried
14:24<lrp>anyone here know how to set a rule in switch to detect mac adrress in switchs ports and determine a rule to know when the traffic is overcoming ?
14:24<Lektron>flexy: have a look at ifplugd
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14:24<flexy>Lektron: I did try it, but it seems to launch dhcp process on boot, making the boot take ages, when not plugged in
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14:25<juny20>so, should I back up my Fedora /home partition as it might not be kept while installing Debian 4.0 or is it OK to keep the same /home partition?
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14:26<Lektron>flexy: read up on /etc/network/interfaces. You can set eth0 to static.
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14:27<metalqga>that's a great idea
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14:27<metalqga>but if his ip is not static?
14:27<flexy>Lektron: yes, but when eth0 needs to be used, it's 99% of the time dhcp that is needed. And I'm trying to get it to work automatically, just like my wlan with wpa_supplicant
14:27<kevind23>crap, I killed my sound somehow
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14:28<sooperkuh>Is it normal that beagled (Beagle indexing daemon) takes 500MB of RAM after one day of running?
14:28<metalqga>play Ressurection by Halford and the sound will come again :D
14:29<bjb>even advice on which packages to check the issue tracking system - or which package to enter an issue would be welcome for my X font problem - thanks.
14:29<flexy>sooperkuh: don't know that, but I would start to worry about something like that when swap begins to fill also. not before...
14:29<kevind23>what's the default sound on Debian? ALSA?
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14:30<sooperkuh>flexy: my swap begins to fill at that point, and I have a small and slow notebook drive
14:30<lrp>people what is trap ?
14:30<sooperkuh>bjb: I'd check the bugs for your xserver driver first
14:30<flexy>sooperkuh: so, I think that it's not normal, then :)
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14:31<sooperkuh>bjb: what card are you using?
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14:31<kevind23>Wait, I fixed it
14:32<kevind23>is there any way to test surround sound?
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14:33<sooperkuh>yeah, it seems normal, there are several bugs saying that beagle eats memory
14:33<sooperkuh>i can't understand how SuSE gets away with shipping that thing
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14:34<juny20>Hi all, I know it's a stupid question, but I want to install Debian on my Fedora partition and I need to make sure that the /home partition will be ok...can I leave the same /home partition?
14:34<kevind23>as long as you don't tell the installer to format it, you should be fine
14:34<sooperkuh>juny20: if you are careful and don't do something stupid, you can
14:34<kevind23>sharing a /home with multiple distros gets a little tricky with permissions though
14:35<juny20>Ok, I'll try it...I am going to install Debian where Fedora it will only be Debian...Thanks!
14:35<Hideo_Kuze>always back up first
14:35<metalqga>that's a hard learnt lesson
14:36<kevind23>okay, if you're installing Debian over the fedora install then you'll want to format that partition.. or are you saying that the fedora /home is on the same partition as the rest of the install?
14:36<nbeck>silly file options edit bars disappeared on all of my windows and I can't move any of them around on 7.10. Flames aside, anyone know how to get it back?
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14:36<kevind23>7.10? are you talking about ubuntu, nbeck?
14:37<nbeck>And like, I can't move any of my windows around, even the X on the top right is gone.
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14:37<kevind23>Um, try running metacity --replace
14:37<sooperkuh>nbeck: try to run "metacity" in a terminal
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14:37<kevind23>or kwin --replace if you're using KDE
14:38<juny20>I have an 80 gig hd with four 20 gig partitions. One of them is dedicated to Linux/Fedora. I partitioned that one with /, swap, /root, /boot, /home, /tmp, /usr, /var. I want to get rid of all of those (repartition) except /home.
14:38<nbeck>Thanks a ton.
14:38<kevind23>Anytime ^_^
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14:39<bjb>sooperkuh, it's a "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)"
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14:40<nbeck>okay guys, one last question.
14:40<bjb>I've added some info to the web page (links to dmesg, xorg.conf, Xorg.0.conf, lspci output)
14:40<nbeck>I'm a total nooblet =).
14:40<nbeck>I'm installing the Kiba-Dock, or trying too.
14:40<nbeck>And I'm following the walkthrough, but it asks for the Ubuntu installation disk.
14:40<Hideo_Kuze>nbeck: topic
14:41<nbeck>Is there any way around that? For Ubuntu 7.10 while installing Kiba dock
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14:41<kevind23>nbeck: your last question was generic, but for this take it to #ubuntu on freenode
14:41<nbeck>gawd, silly question, I'm noob to IRC as well =).
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14:41<nbeck>how do I switch
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14:42<nbeck>thanks again
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14:42<kevind23>then you-- >.>;
14:42<Hideo_Kuze>does ubuntu make #debian their default channel or something
14:43<bjb>thanks sooperkuh ... going to read
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14:43<sooperkuh>don't know if it is related, but i would check bugreports against xserver-xorg-video-intel first
14:44<flexy>is there a way to get the wired eth configured WHEN plugging in the cable?
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14:45<bjb>sooperkuh - it looks interesting - how did you find it? I'm not so good at finding things in bts and need to improve
14:45<sooperkuh>i knew from experience that similar artifacts are often a driver problem, and that seems to be your xorg driver
14:46<sooperkuh>problems of the font subsystem are much rarer in my experience
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14:47<sooperkuh>for narrowing that down you always could try to put in another graphics card (unless it is a notebook of course ; )
14:47<norbert_>I have a question about Skype, I'm using the beta and other people can see me, but I can't see people or myself (debian stable), any ideas?
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14:47<Maulkin>norbert_: you'll need to ask skype.
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14:48<sooperkuh>norbert_: there is a Skype linux help forum
14:48<sooperkuh>and another one for the 2.0 beta
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14:48<sooperkuh>norbert_: can you see the "Test Call" or whatever it is called?
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14:48<norbert_>sooperku1: no, that stays black as well
14:48<norbert_>but other people can see me
14:49<alexises>c'est quoi la commende pour supprimer les paquets téléchager
14:49<sooperkuh>hm strange, I'd have a look at the forums
14:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
14:49<bjb>thanks sooperkuh
14:49<alexises>ho sorry
14:50<alexises>i have make an error
14:50<Hideo_Kuze>no worries
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14:50<metalqga>no blue screens here :D
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14:51<alexises>ralala blue scream of death :p we can't found it in debian
14:52<sooperkuh>alexises: i thought there is one included as a screensaver hack?
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14:55<simonrvn>there is
14:55<alexises>i don't understend we can inclund this with linux
14:55<sooperkuh>search for BSOD ; )
14:56<alexises>if you like it you must go on windobe
14:56<simonrvn>aptitude install xscreensaver
14:56<aptitude>simonrvn: bugger all, i dunno
14:56<simonrvn>aptitude: shaddup
14:56<aptitude>fine, be that way!
14:57<fxiny>oh . where's the black larting bird ?
14:57<simonrvn>&kill fxiny
14:57<simonrvn>aptitude: kill fxiny
14:57<aptitude>simonrvn: I wish you would RTFM.
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14:57[~]fxiny shows some nice cheese to the larting one :P
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14:58<fxiny>the war of the bots started tonight :P
14:58<simonrvn>birds don't eat cheese
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14:58<norbert_>sorry, I have a question about Skype... maybe someone can help, I'm using the beta and other people can see me, but I can't see people or myself (debian stable), any ideas?
14:58<norbert_>I can't find anything on that on the Skype forum
14:58<fxiny>rvn loves cheese : tell your master :P
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14:59<simonrvn>they have a channel on freenode
14:59<simonrvn>norbert_: ^^^
14:59<norbert_>ah, ok
14:59<simonrvn>fxiny: *plonk*
15:00<fxiny>i have a large umbrella :P
15:00<norbert_>simonrvn: the ubuntu servers... but there's no one in #skype
15:00<simonrvn>did you check here?
15:01<norbert_>I used xchat to open a new server tab and checked there, also on the oftc server in #skype, but there's no one
15:01<norbert_>and the forums show nothing
15:01<norbert_>for some reason other people can see me, but I can't see them
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15:01<norbert_>maybe because of my Radeon video card?
15:01<simonrvn>hm ok. i thought they did, sorry
15:01[~]fxiny calls scud for a quick bird hunt
15:02<sooperkuh>norbert_: maybe some sort of firewall problem? are behind a NAT box?
15:02<norbert_>a router, yes
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15:02<sooperkuh>norbert_: there are some networks that filter Skype intentionally
15:03<norbert_>but it's not showing in the Test section in the Options either, maybe it's just because it's a beta
15:03<sooperkuh>for me the beta worked just fine (except for sound not liking pulseaudio)
15:04<fxiny>they do eat cheese . they love cheese , expecialy the nutcrackers which are far smarter then rvn :P
15:05<fxiny>read the pedia
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15:19<user>anyone here....I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!
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15:20<Prop>hai lal
15:20<Guest1406>hi can u help me with a problem???
15:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:21<Guest1406>i have a problem with xlib-dev
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15:21<Guest1406>i am trying to install basKet and it cant find the 'X libraries'
15:21<Guest1406>i am new at linux
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15:22<bjb>Guest1406, sounds like you need to install the development versions of the x libraries
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15:22<Guest1406>i have no clue which repository to add
15:22<bjb>Guest1406: probably same repositories - which libs are missing? try adding -dev to the end of the package name and install that
15:23<bjb>If it complains about libXt, try installing libxt-dev
15:23<Guest1406>i am on an Asus eee pc, so i only have the main repo
15:23<Guest1406>which i added manually
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15:24<Guest1406>and i tried apt-get for xlib-dev, but it snt in that repo
15:25<Guest1406>what is a reliable stable repository for debian
15:25<sooperkuh>Guest1406: basically all of them are
15:25<Guest1406>but i dont have any on my machine, it is very limited, and i need to add them manually
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15:26<Hideo_Kuze>did you use the one above verbatim or did you just mistyped that just now
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15:26<daytar>тут русские есть?!
15:26<Hideo_Kuze>the address above isn't valid
15:26<Guest1406>i prolly just mistyped it
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15:28<Hideo_Kuze>or use apt-spy and see which one is fastest relative to you
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15:34<Guest1406>so does xlib come preinstalled in debian...if it does where would it be located>
15:34<infester>hi, i'm having problem reconfiguring xserver-xorg after beeing foolish enough to delete the directory /etc/X11. I've got xorg working again but when reconfiguring xserver-xorg i get an error saying it cannot make the xorg.conf... strangly i can still enter the x-window-system by typing startx... how can i get my dear xorg.conf back?!
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15:35<Guest1406>wiat what is x11...that wouldnt be what i am looking for right?
15:35<dpalacio>mkdir /etc/X11 ?
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15:36<sooperkuh>Guest1406: you should describe your problem a bit clearer.
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15:36<infester>Guest1406: debian comes in various shapes, did you use a netinstall?
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15:38<Guest1406>okay..... so i am trying to install basKet. I did ./configure, and it gave me an error saying configure:error: cant find x libraries. please check your installation and add the correct paths. i am new to linux so how do i do that?
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15:39<infester>guys, any ideas about my problem?
15:39<Goethe>no, but install xlibraries?
15:39<sooperkuh>infester: sid? or stable?
15:39<infester>sooperkuh: sid
15:39<cisko>my WindowManager says i don't have permission to Eject my CDROM
15:39<sooperkuh>i am running xorg on sid *without* xorg.conf just fine
15:39<cisko>how do i add permission?
15:40<infester>sooperkuh: oh :o if you make a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, does it generate a config for you?
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15:40<sooperkuh>and I did have a problem with reconfiguring xorg too!
15:40<sooperkuh>i think it is a well-known bug
15:40<infester>cisko: i believe your user has to be in the cdrom group
15:40<cisko>i don't have such group
15:40<Guest1406>can anyone help me?
15:41<cisko>or i have
15:41<cisko>but i am in it
15:41<Guest1406>okay..... so i am trying to install basKet. I did ./configure, and it gave me an error saying configure:error: cant find x libraries. please check your installation and add the correct paths. i am new to linux so how do i do that?
15:41<cisko>also i have no right to mount a CD
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15:42<cisko>!search basket
15:42<cisko>!apt basket
15:42<cisko>!apt-cache basket
15:42<cisko>well worth of trying
15:42<seanius>guillaume: have you tried the compiz fusion packages in unstable
15:42<Hideo_Kuze>sure, be more annoying and people will help
15:42<infester>sooperkuh: great, that kind of makes my situation less frustrating atleast :)
15:43<Guest1406>lol i try :)
15:43<Guest1406>no but this is completely serious
15:43<infester>sooperkuh: do you have any suggestions on how to generate one? im having troubles with colors and resolution here
15:43<sooperkuh>you can always change the resolution with r-and-r
15:44<Hideo_Kuze>infester: how about apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg
15:44<Hideo_Kuze>then install it again
15:44<infester>Hideo_Kuze: been there done that
15:44<Hideo_Kuze>and it doesn't ask to configure?
15:44<infester>ive even done the --install-missing thing
15:44<infester>yes it does, but after answering all questions it says it cannot write the xorg.conf-file
15:45<Guest1406>cisko: so wait do i put the ! as well ....... im really new
15:45<infester>Guest1406: apt-get install xserver-xorg might help you
15:45<cisko>apt-get install basket also
15:45<Guest1406>okay...i will try it...
15:46<sooperkuh>infester: i would google around for an example file and modify that by hand, like in the olden days
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15:47<Hideo_Kuze>infester: aha I see, I have the same exact bug
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15:47<Guest1406>i have the tar.gz for basket, and i uncompressed and ran the./configure, but it gave me the error:cant find x libraries...
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15:47<infester>alright, thanks alot sooperkuh, it kind of sucks when you are totally alone with the problem and nothing people tells you helps... :9
15:47<infester>Hideo_Kuze: cool :D
15:48<Hideo_Kuze>luckily I have my xorg.conf backed up :p
15:48<infester>so it generated one the first time you installed it?
15:48<infester>or is it from an old installation?
15:48<Hideo_Kuze>infester: generated, then I edited it by hand
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15:49<sooperkuh>infester: i first hit that bug 3 months or so ago, before that dpkg-reconfigure worked just fine for me
15:49<infester>i see
15:49<Hideo_Kuze>over a year ago
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15:49<Guest1406>so i did the xserver-xorg and tried to rerun the./configure and it gave me the same error
15:49<infester>Guest1406: alright, sec
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15:49<Hideo_Kuze>if you want X, the package to install is xorg
15:49<benneben>Anyone familiar with the problem AIGLX: Screen 0 not dri capable?
15:50<sooperkuh>Guest1406: Is the error message of ./configure not more specific?
15:50<sooperkuh>can't find x libraries is quite a bit generic
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15:50<Guest1406>here is the error: configure:error:cant find x libraries. please check your installation and add the correct paths
15:51<infester>Guest1406: try apt-get install libx11-6
15:51<seanius>and the -dev package
15:51<infester>Guest1406: which window manager did you want to install btw?
15:51<infester>Guest1406: dont forget to $make clean
15:51<infester>Guest1406: what are you trying to configure and installing?
15:51<Guest1406>i have no idea what ur saying sorry, i am totally new at linux
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15:52<Guest1406>i am trying to install basKet
15:52<Hideo_Kuze>are you using stable, testing or unstable?
15:52<infester>which is?
15:52<infester>Guest1406: my advice to you would be to apt-get install gnome or apt-get install kde, thats a full desktop enviroment. it takes some space and resources but for a newcomer it's totally worth it
15:52<Hideo_Kuze>there is a package of basket, why would you want to do the old ./configure, make makeinstall
15:52<Guest1406>i have kde...i am on an Asus EEE PC
15:53<sooperkuh>infester: none but a) trying it on a stable or testing system or b) doing it by hand or c) trying to live without one and telling the server by RandR
15:53<sooperkuh>oops sorry, i'm stupid
15:53<benneben>Anyone familiar with the problem AIGLX: Screen 0 not dri capable?
15:53<infester>Guest1406: great, so whats this basKet thing?
15:53<seanius>infester: apt-cache show basket
15:54<Guest1406>it is a note taking untility, like OneNote for windows
15:54<Guest1406>i neeed it for my engineering course at skool
15:54<seanius>Guest1406: there's a basket package in stable through unstable
15:54<infester>Guest1406: instead of doing that from source and by hand you know you can use apt to install it?
15:54<seanius>the stable one looks a little old maybe
15:54<seanius>Guest1406: have you tried just "apt-get install basket" ?
15:54<Guest1406>wait what?? u are talking too advanced for me lol
15:54<Guest1406>yah it doesnt work
15:55<Hideo_Kuze>what does it say
15:55<infester>Guest1406: you are compiling the program by yourself, instead of doing that you can let the apt-system fetching the already compiled version and installing it for you
15:55<Guest1406>i tried apt-get install basket, but it shows all these different things that i didnt ask for
15:55<seanius>Guest1406: yes, well you'll need them too
15:56<Hideo_Kuze>those are the dependencies
15:56<sooperkuh>Guest1406: and if you compile it yourself, you need even more of them
15:56<seanius>Guest1406: the basket program needs other software libraries to work, and the software libraries may depend on other libraries etc
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15:56<Guest1406>but i already have those on my system
15:57<sooperkuh>Guest1406: unlikely
15:57<infester>Guest1406: you wouldve needed to install those when compiling it from source aswell, thats why you get errors about required libraries you dont have. apt fetches those for you auto
15:57<seanius>dpkg: tell Guest1406 about paste
15:57<seanius>Guest1406: can you follow dpkg's instructions and paste the output of apt-get install basket ?
15:57<Guest1406>so i need something called aswell?
15:57<Hideo_Kuze>aspell you mean?
15:57<Guest1406>let me show you what apt-get install basket says.... one moment
15:58<seanius>no, "as well" i'd guess
15:58<Hideo_Kuze>I think he meant aspell
15:58<Hideo_Kuze>since it's a notetaking application so ...
15:59<Guest1406>eeepc-adamsidia:/home/user/My Documents/basket-
15:59<Guest1406>1.0.2> apt-get install basket
15:59<Guest1406>Reading package lists... Done
15:59<Guest1406>Building dependency tree... Done
15:59<Guest1406>The following extra packages will be installed:
15:59|-|Guest1406 kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
15:59[~]seanius saw that comin
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16:00<Hideo_Kuze>wait, does the eeepc use debian by default?
16:00<seanius>welcome back :)
16:00<user_>i is customized xandros
16:00<user_>lol sry about that...didnt know
16:01<seanius>user_: see the message dpkg sent you about using "paste"
16:01<seanius>dpkg: tell Guest1406 about paste
16:01<user_>i saw it
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16:01<sooperkuh>you were not a believer?
16:01<seanius>tried to warn you
16:01<user_>i saw it after i pasted
16:02<user_>it didnt pop up untill after i did i
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16:02<user_>so any ideas about my situation???
16:02<sooperkuh>user_ have you read all of it (the paste thing)?
16:02<Hideo_Kuze>uh... we haven't seen what the outpt is, how can we tell?
16:03<user_>yah i did
16:03<seanius>user_: can you give a url to the pasted content then? otherwise we have no idea
16:03<user_>wiat my name changed? i am supposed to be guest1406?
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16:04<Hideo_Kuze>does the eeepc have enough space for kde and its apps?
16:04<seanius>beats me, you ought to change your name anyway
16:04<Hideo_Kuze>kde bloatware
16:04<user_>how do i do that....and yes it has full kde...i think
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16:04<Hideo_Kuze>user_: type /nick yournick
16:05<user_>when i run apt-get install basket it shows all of those doenst even show basket as one of thethings to be installed
16:05<Hideo_Kuze>do show us the paste tho
16:05<muep>Hideo_Kuze: the eeepc that I have seen reviewed has a 4 G disk
16:05<user_>how?i have no lue how
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16:06<sooperkuh>lol the mising "C" is due to the eee's tiny keyboard?
16:06<Hideo_Kuze>lol yournick is supposed to be a nick you pick!
16:07<yournick>its not working
16:07<Hideo_Kuze>I should have said /nick nubcake
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16:07<asac413>there we go
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16:07<asac413>this is a good anem
16:07<asac413>name i mena
16:07<asac413>mean i mean
16:08<infester>asac413: dont swear in here please
16:08<asac413>??? funny
16:08<asac413>did i swear???
16:08<infester>you said the an** word
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16:08<asac413>oh, on accident, i meant to say mean
16:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 330] by debhelper
16:09<infester>pardon me, my sense of humor is uhm... unique
16:09<dondelelcaro>it's not like it matters much anyway. If swearing bothers you much, then filter it out yourself.
16:09<infester>dondelelcaro: i don't, i'm just beeing an ass
16:09<asac413>so can u guys help me???
16:10<infester>asac413: whats up?
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16:11<asac413>i am trying to install basKet, but the ./configure says it cant find my x libraries and to check my installation and add the orrect path
16:11<asac413>correct path
16:11<infester>oh, that was you
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16:11<dondelelcaro>asac413: so just aptitude install basket;
16:12<infester>asac413: didnt work out with apt-get?
16:12<infester>give uss the story
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16:17<asac413>okay, so i ran ./configure, and it gave me an error saying cant find x libraries, check installation and add correct path. then i tried apt-get install basket, and it tried to install al these items (basket wasnt one of them). however, these were items i already have. now i am stuck
16:18<sooperkuh>asac413: you have told us that at least 3 times
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16:18<asac413>someone said to say it again....
16:18<sooperkuh>but you did not give us e.g. the apt-get output
16:19<asac413>u yah i did and i got kicke out for it being too long....
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16:19<sooperkuh>you were told about the pastebot
16:19<witte>!tell asac413 about paste
16:19<dondelelcaro>asac413: why can't you just install the Debian package?
16:19<asac413>i still dont get the pastebot
16:20<witte>asac413: dpkg has sent a private message to you
16:20<asac413>yah but how do i access that channel to paste...i got the message, but i dont know hw to do what it says
16:21<witte>asac413: did you go to one of those sites?
16:21<Hideo_Kuze>asac413: open up your browser, go to , paste in what the output of apt-get is
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16:22<asac413>k i did it.
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16:22<Hideo_Kuze>what's the address so we can see it
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16:23<Hideo_Kuze>basket is in that list
16:23<Guest1410>does anybody know about frozen-bubble?
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16:24<witte>line 89
16:24<asac413>so should i just say yes thn?
16:25<Hideo_Kuze>but ... it also says it'll remove 48 packages though
16:25<asac413>but i already have all the other stuff it says.
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16:25<asac413>yah and i dont want to remove anything
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16:25<asac413>do i?
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16:25<witte>asac413: yes, and afterwards do a apt-get upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade)
16:26<asac413>so just type apt-get upgrade? nothing else?
16:26<sooperkuh>how compatible is this xandros with debian proper?
16:26<asac413>no clue....
16:26<witte>asac413: the packages that will be removed are xandros packages, so how come that you have tham
16:26<bjb>Ok, I've posted my problem to bts: 457996 thanks sooperkuh and fxiny
16:26<witte>asac413: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file in the pastebot
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16:27<zipper>I'm having some trouble with a newly installed server running debian stable. It keeps "freezing" my ssh connection. I tried starting a screen that did "ping > ping.txt" and look for yourself.... it is missing 400+ sequences (?!?) :
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16:28<dondelelcaro>zipper: that sounds like something is going on with the network connection. Check dmesg.
16:28<jl>After an upgrade under debian I did not succeed to launch a gnome session. Only a session under ion is available. do you have an idea to correct the default?
16:28<dondelelcaro>jl: do you have gnome installed?
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16:28<sooperkuh>zipper: maybe the missing packets (or better the messages about them) go to the error stream?
16:29<zipper>dondelelcaro: from outside, i tried running mtr to the server for a while. 0 packetloss. Besides, if it was a network issue, shouldn't the ping.txt show packetloss or something, instead of just missing sequences?
16:29<asac413>witte: i am running xandros
16:29<asac413>isnt xandros debian?
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16:29<jl>I can not intall gnome with apt get because the system requires some pacquet dependancies
16:29<asac413>everything else says it is......
16:29<dondelelcaro>zipper: it just shows missing sequence numbers
16:29<asac413>like all the other web sites i have been to
16:30<dondelelcaro>asac413: uh... xandros isn't Debian.
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16:30<dondelelcaro>asac413: you'll have to get support from xandros, as we can't support it here.
16:30<zipper>dondelelcaro: yes.... and if the network was down, it should show "Host unreachable" or something similar
16:30<asac413>wat is it then???
16:30<dondelelcaro>zipper: not if it was up while you started, and went down, and came back up.
16:30<dondelelcaro>asac413: it's xandros
16:31<asac413>oh god.... i am never gonna gt this problem fixed.....
16:31<zipper>dondelelcaro: hmm, you sure?
16:31<dondelelcaro>zipper: you can trivially demonstrate it by running a ping and unplugging the network cable
16:31<asac413>so is there a chatroom for that?
16:31<witte>asac413: xandros is not debian, and you use debian servers for apt. This will surely lead to problems
16:31<dondelelcaro>zipper: then plugging it back in later.
16:31<zipper>dondelelcaro: dont have physical access to the server
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16:31<dpkg>hmm... xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at, or #xandros @
16:31<asac413>witte: what do u mean? (noob talk plz)
16:31<dondelelcaro>zipper: sure, but you can demonstrate it on any Debian machine.
16:31<sooperkuh>zipper: you could try a traceroute, maybe you see something obvious along the way
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16:32<dondelelcaro>zipper: in any event, check dmesg. If something is going on with the network, that will tell you what it is.
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16:32<witte>asac413: I mean that you install programs made for debian, while you are not running debian
16:32<zipper>sooperku, have had another server running on the same connection, no problems like this
16:32<zipper>dondelelcaro: i'll try once i get back on the server, thx
16:32<asac413>i havent installed anything yet though....
16:33<jl>the release of my debian is 2.6.18-5-486
16:33<asac413>so i need the .rpm instead of the .deb/
16:33<witte>asac413: go to the xandros webpage, and find out which are the servers for xandros
16:33<dondelelcaro>zipper: or at least, dmesg will tell you if it's something internal to the server as opposeed to something totally external.
16:33<asac413>but when i got my comp it came with the deb http;// p701 main repository...isnt the deb part debian???
16:34<witte>asac413: you also should go there for support because xandros and debian are not the same (although similar)
16:34<dondelelcaro>asac413: no, it's just debian based.
16:34<sooperkuh>jl: and what is the problem with that (needing deps)
16:34<asac413>lol i feel so stupid
16:34<asac413>so what does xandros use instead of apt-get?
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16:34<sooperkuh>asac413: it uses apt-get, most likely
16:34<streuner>who cares?
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16:34<sooperkuh>but you need different sources
16:34<witte>asac413: xandros also uses apt-get (i think) but debian is more than apt-get
16:34<dondelelcaro>asac413: it probably uses apt-get, but since they change things, we aren't in a position to (nor do we want to) support it
16:35<asac413>okay, well thanks for your help guys.... i might be back lol bye@
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16:35<zipper>dondelelcaro: i'll make sure to check. Is it possible to run memtest86 without being at the machine?
16:36<jl>I can not launch a gnome session
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16:36<dondelelcaro>zipper: not unless you have a serial console.
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16:36<sooperkuh>jl: i thought you wanted to *install* gnome?
16:37<zipper>dondelelcaro: serial console....?
16:37<dondelelcaro>yes... a serial console.
16:37<sooperkuh>zipper: a way to log into and coltrol your server from a serial port
16:37<jl>my system do not want to install gnome because there some dependance issue.
16:38<sooperkuh>jl: but you are not telling us what dependency issue?
16:38<dondelelcaro>jl: well, if you can't install gnome, then you can't start gnome. If there's a dependency issue, show us the full and complete output.
16:38<dondelelcaro>!tell jl -about bat
16:38<jl>gnome-desktop-environment (= 1: mais ne sera pas installé
16:38<jl> Dépend: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1: mais ne sera pas installé
16:38<jl> Dépend: gnome-office (= 1: mais ne sera pas installé
16:38<jl> Dépend: gnome-themes-extras mais ne sera pas installé
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16:39<dondelelcaro>jl: first, don't paste here; second, use a paste site to provide us with the full apt-get output, as well as the apt-cache policy output.
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16:40<jl>OK sorry I am not an expert of the debian forum. I try to follow your advice.
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16:41<asac413>hey guys i am back!!!
16:41<asac413>okay so how do i find xandros server for this chat thingy??
16:41<asac413>dos xandros even have one??
16:41<dondelelcaro>asac413: check their website. I've no clue if they've actually got a channel.
16:42<asac413>i checked and it doesnt say anything about a chanel
16:42<dpkg>it has been said that xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at, or #xandros @
16:42<sooperkuh>asac413: google
16:42<Hideo_Kuze>maybe that's not an official support channel, but it's something
16:43<asac413>thx i got it
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16:45<asac413>so what does it mean if no one answers
16:45<asac413>i asked my question and nothings happening
16:45<asac413>surely someone has to be online
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16:46<asac413>wat is that for?
16:46<dondelelcaro>asac413: well, if no one answers, try email or forums or something else. regardless, we can't really help you here.
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16:47<asac413>okay sry bye
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16:51<peter86>I have problem when try tu run application "./lib/darwinia.bin.x86: ./lib/ version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/" what can I do with it?
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16:52<dondelelcaro>peter86: for whatever reason it's using its private copy of libgcc, which is kind of wrong.
16:52<j_>hi, i installed thunderbird from the official depot but i don't find the run?
16:53<dondelelcaro>j_: it's called icedove, actually.
16:53<j_>i can write thunderbird in te shell but i'd just like the run!
16:53<j_>does someone know where it is and how it calls
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16:53<j_>i searched in .thunderbird but didn't find
16:53<dondelelcaro>it'll be called icedove, whereever it actually is located.
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16:54<peter86>dondelelcaro, hm... i remember once I launch game, but it could be lenny. Right now Im on etch
16:54<witte>j_: /usr/bin/icedove, or type "which icedove" to find it
16:54<j_>i look
16:55<dondelelcaro>peter86: yeah, that's fine. You should just be able to have it link against the version of libgcc that is actually distributed with debian and be ok.
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16:56<peter86>dondelelcaro, Im not sure what should I do... my english pretty bad ;/
16:56<dondelelcaro>peter86: either by moving away that version or fixing whatever LD_LIBRARY_PATH it's specifying
16:57<dondelelcaro>(though the right method is to just recompile whatever this thing is, but it's probably a game.)
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16:59<knewt>since i don't actually need PAE for my xen0/xenU, can I build xen without it, or do I have to change my .config ?
16:59<peter86>dondelelcaro, there isnt any binaries, just sh file
16:59<knewt>oops, mischan
16:59<dondelelcaro>peter86: there's a binary somehwere.
16:59<peter86>dondelelcaro, and also lib dir with files inside
17:00<dondelelcaro>peter86: it's presumably in the lib dir.
17:00<peter86>dondelelcaro, there are only lib files... ;/
17:01<dondelelcaro>peter86: uh... darwinia.x86 isn't a just a library.
17:02<peter86>dondelelcaro, yes, but what it gives me ?
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17:02<peter86>dondelelcaro, thare also 4 dat files
17:02<h3xagram>hello, I'm trying to run frostwire, however I get this message...
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17:03<h3xagram>I'm sorry, its actually
17:04<h3xagram>My java version says 1.5.0
17:04<h3xagram>and it found the Java exec.
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17:04<h3xagram>if anyone could assist me, I would greatly appreciate it
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17:05<witte>h3xagram: how did you install java? using the debian packages?
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17:05<h3xagram>it was either that or apt-get
17:06<h3xagram>I can't quite remember
17:06<h3xagram>haven't used java for anything up until now.
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17:06<h3xagram>aptitude search java
17:06<aptitude>h3xagram: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
17:06<witte>h3xagram: dpkg -l | grep sun-java
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17:07<h3xagram>I have sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-jre
17:07<h3xagram>both are 1.5.0-13-1
17:07<h3xagram>that is the output witte
17:08<witte>h3xagram: that frostwire thing, what is that? is that a debian package
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17:08<dondelelcaro>peter86: so the .sh file probably sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to lib, and you just need to either change it so that it doens't include lib, or move away that library.
17:08<dondelelcaro>peter86: alternatively, you can move a libstdc++ which has that symbol defined into the lib directory.
17:08<zipper>dondelelcaro: if my stability/freezing issues are caused by a broken ram module, would it show up in dmesg?
17:09<h3xagram>i don't think it is... but then again i think i got it from apt-get
17:09<dondelelcaro>peter86: however, that's kind of something that the support for the game you've purchased can help you.
17:09<witte>h3xagram: because "which java" returns /usr/bin/java on my system, and that does not seem to be in the search path of that frostwire output you gave
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17:09<h3xagram>witte, its a p2p program
17:09<h3xagram>and open source p2p program
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17:09<h3xagram>witte never gave an output...
17:09<dondelelcaro>zipper: a broken ram module is rather unlikely to cause transient network failures like that (though it's not imposisble)
17:09<witte>h3xagram: the thing in the pastebin...
17:09<h3xagram>I'm 99.999% certain I got it from apt-get
17:09<dondelelcaro>zipper: it's far more likely to cause random crashes and other types of failures.
17:09<h3xagram>which would mean its one of debian's repositories
17:10<zipper>dondelelcaro: i guess, but it's the only thing i can come up with, that could be wrong with it
17:10<zipper>still havent been able to connect and check dmesg
17:10<witte>h3xagram: not on one that i have
17:10<peter86>dondelelcaro, I found linux issue on games site :)
17:10<peter86>dondelelcaro, it works right now
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17:11<witte>but there are debian packages on the frostwire website it seems, so probably you downloaded it from there (as a deb file)
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17:11<h3xagram>i don't think so...
17:12<zipper>dondelelcaro: i know this isnt windows, but i think i'm gonna reboot it..... It has become more and more unresponsive as time passes
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17:12<h3xagram>i guess its a matter of moving the java installation to those folder it wants
17:14<witte>h3xagram: i just downloaded the deb file from their website to check if it would work, and installed using dpkg -i <packagename>. It does work and it finds java
17:14<h3xagram>ok i'll completely remove what I have and use that method
17:16<h3xagram>same result.
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17:23<zipper>dondelelcaro: you there? I got dmesg now
17:23<zipper>what to look for
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17:24<zipper>dondelelcaro: dmesg is here:
17:25<h3xagram>zipper would you know anything of my situation?
17:25<zipper>but i cant find any errors that would be causing my problems
17:25<zipper>h3xagram: i'm sorry, i dont
17:25<h3xagram>no worries, thanks anyways
17:27<witte>h3xagram: try this: update-alternatives --config java
17:28<zipper>I'm having trouble with my newly installed debian stable server. It keeps freezing, leaving me unable to ssh to it. I just managed to stay online long enough to run dmesg : - Anyone know what could be causing this?
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17:29<ifvoid>I'm bored
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17:29<zipper>ifvoid: you could spend some time, helping me =)
17:29<ifvoid>zipper: most probably bad memory, bad PSU or thermal problems
17:30<ifvoid>try running memtest86
17:30<zipper>and if i'm not able to be physically at the server?
17:30<ifvoid>well, then you have a problem...
17:30<ifvoid>what kind of a server is it?
17:30<ifvoid>rackmounted in a colo?
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17:31<zipper>random junk and left-over pieces
17:31<zipper>not a production server
17:31<ifvoid>smells like bad hardware then
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17:33<zipper>ifvoid: you know of any way beside memtest86 to test for this?
17:34<ifvoid>I think there're also other memtests in the archive
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17:34<ifvoid>but in any case, you need physical access to the machien
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17:50<Ganneff>you might want /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS if this annoys you too much.
17:51<Hideo_Kuze>nah, just wondering what kinda spam, like irc spams or email spams?
17:51<Ganneff>now, thats a fortune...
17:51<Ganneff>in what medium are you currently? :)
17:51<Hideo_Kuze>yeah, and wtf would they sell on irc?
17:52<Ganneff>spam with links
17:52<Ganneff>anyway, thats OT here :)
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17:55<Cackette>whats the best multi-IM client for linux?
17:56<witte>Cackette: define best :)
17:56<witte>Cackette: i use gaim
17:56<Cackette>ohhh, gaim
17:56<Cackette>i forgot about that
17:56<witte>Cackette: or rather pidgin (as it is renamed now)
17:56<Cackette>oh, i use that on XP
17:56<Cackette>didnt know it was linux as well
17:57<ifvoid>actually, it's Windows "as well"
17:57<witte>Cackette: where do you think it came from
17:57<Cackette>i know, memories are coming back
17:57<dmobi>hi guys
17:57<dmobi>any article how to setup apache vhosts at debian etch? :)
17:57<Cackette>hrmm, can't get pidgin over apt-get?
17:58<ifvoid>Cackette: probably still called gaim in etch
17:59<Cackette>wants my CD if i try to get gaim over apt-get
17:59<Supaplex>Cackette: just comment the cd lines in sources.list
17:59<Supaplex>!tell Cackette -about sources.list
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18:00<dmobi>!tell dmobi about apache
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18:02<Cackette>how does one go about opening and editing sources.list or a similar file
18:02<dpkg>nano is probably at, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans
18:02<Supaplex>that's a pretty good text editors for beginers
18:03<chealer>Cackette: which X session type do you use?
18:03<Cackette>thats a good question...
18:04<Supaplex>Cackette: any idea what version of debian it is, or how you installed it?
18:04<Cackette>by the first ISO CD
18:05<Supaplex>ahh, the 700mb-ish one?
18:05<Cackette>646MB i believe
18:05<Supaplex>ok. I use netinst all the time, so I'm not sure myself. :)
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18:06<Supaplex>it's either kde or gnome
18:06<Cackette>ohhh, thats what x-session is
18:06<Cackette>i dont believe it gave me an option to pick
18:06<SC>can someone tell me a good log check Program that will suit my needs one that will check imap/postfix/proftpd/ssh/http logs that is good
18:07<ifvoid>SC: I don't know what your needs are
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18:07<SC>i just told you
18:08<SC>one that checks those types of logs
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18:09<Cackette>another question, how can i make my screen resolution 1280x960 when it wont let me pick that in the screen resolution thing
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18:10<witte>Cackette: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:10<Cackette>whats that do
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18:11<witte>Cackette: there will a lot of questions where you will have to select the default and one where you have to select the right resolutions
18:11<witte>Cackette: it will reconfigure your graphical environment
18:12<SC>any takers ?
18:12<Cackette>i dont know what to pick @ "Use kernel framebuffer device interface?"
18:12<Supaplex>Cackette: 'no'
18:13<witte>Cackette: if in doubt, take the default one
18:14<SC>ok let me rephrase anyone know a good log checking utility besides logcheck
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18:14<chealer>Cackette: you can run # editor /etc/apt/sources.list
18:15<Cackette>ok, that didnt seem to change anything
18:15<Cackette>still cant select 1280x960
18:15<SC>maybe its not a supported mode
18:15<Cackette>it is
18:15<witte>Cackette: there should have been a spot where you could enable different resolutions
18:16<SC>what is the highest resolution it willl allow
18:16<Cackette>the monitor goes up to 1280x1024
18:16<witte>Cackette: and you wont be able to select it in a gui thing until you restart the xserver (i think)
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18:17<Cackette>how do i do that? (is that restarting the whole computer?)
18:17<witte>Cackette: close everything, and do ctrl-alt-delete
18:17<SC>Cackette you cant go into Desktop , Preferances , Screen Resolution ?
18:17<Cackette>i went there, but only lower resolutions show
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18:18<witte>Cackette: and you did enable the higher ones when doing dpkg-reconfigure?
18:18<Cackette>i dont know
18:18<SC>he didnt install debian with a gui ? or is he changing his gui ?
18:19<Cackette>it has gnome, but the resolution i want isnt in Desktop > Prefs > Screen Resolution
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18:20<Cackette>ok, now i know i selected new resolutions
18:20<Cackette>but they dont show up in Screen Res Prefs
18:20<Cackette>something i have to do?
18:21<chealer>Cackette: restart X
18:21<Cackette>just type that in a console?
18:21<Cackette>or what
18:21<chealer>witte: you must mean Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
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18:21<SC>try this
18:21<SC>Modeline "1280x800_50.00" 68.56 1280 1336 1472 1664 800 801 804 824 -HSync +Vsync
18:21<SC>in xorg.conf
18:21<witte>chealer: yes, what did i tell
18:21<chealer><witte> Cackette: close everything, and do ctrl-alt-delete
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18:21<witte>sc: let him first try the normal ways
18:22<SC>aww :(
18:22<witte>chealer: oops
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18:22<SC>whats fun about normal (;0P
18:22<witte>SC: it usually works :-)
18:22<witte>Cackette: better?
18:22<Cackette>i got 1280x960, but the only option is 60hz
18:22<Cackette>it hurts
18:22<Cackette>it should be able to do 72hz @ that res
18:23<SC>Its because your monitor cant support it
18:23<Cackette>no, it does
18:23<SC>regardless of what it says
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18:23<witte>Cackette: do you have a widescreen crt?
18:23<Cackette>i've used this monitor on XP for ages
18:23<Cackette>just a regular 4:3 CRT
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18:23<SC>gl with that then
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18:23<witte>Cackette: that is a strange resolution for that kind of screen of is that me?
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18:24<Cackette>its not
18:24<SC>thats wa widescreen res lol
18:24<h3xagram>hello... does anyone know a way to only run on instance of vlc?
18:24<Cackette>no its not
18:24<Cackette>1280/960 = 4/3
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18:24<SC>thats the default for Acer widescreen laptops
18:24<Cackette>1280/1024 = 5/4
18:25<sperca>I'm doing some resaech about the utility of graph thory in the aptitude software
18:25<sperca>anyone can help me ?
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18:25<sperca>if there a document about his on the internet
18:26<witte>Cackette: well, if you like it you can run it at whatever resolution you want ;-)
18:26<Cackette>seriously, its an uncommon resolution for CRTs, but everything looks disproportional @ 1280x1024
18:26<h3xagram>there has to be a way to have vlc run one instance at a time... i hate the multiple windows and especially if I want to change a song or film.
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18:26<Cackette>i need to figure out how to make it 72hz so my eyes dont hurt
18:26<SC>Modeline "1280x800_50.00" 68.56 1280 1336 1472 1664 800 801 804 824 -HSync +Vsync <<<
18:26<SC>Modeline "1280x800_72.00" 68.56 1280 1336 1472 1664 800 801 804 824 -HSync +Vsync <<<
18:26<witte>SC: that modeline is for 1280*800
18:27<SC>well change it to his needs
18:27<witte>Cackette: look trough your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:27<Cackette>what do i do w/ that
18:27<Cackette>never heard of a modeline
18:27<witte>Cackette: or post it in a pastebin
18:27<witte>!tell Cackette about paste
18:27<h3xagram>Anyone? Its not in the preferences menu, I throughly checked advanced mode.
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18:27<Cackette>how do i "look" thru that log
18:28<witte>h3xagram: does taht frostwire thing work after the update-alternatives?
18:28<SC>Modeline "1280x900_72.00" 68.56 1280 1336 1472 1664 800 801 804 824 900 -HSync +Vsync add to Xorg.conf <<<
18:28<h3xagram>tried it.
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18:28<witte>Cackette: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:28<h3xagram>I'm not too worried about that right now...
18:28<h3xagram>I have a couple of problems on my plate.
18:28<Cackette>ok, i did that
18:29<h3xagram>1) no graphical login (after removing gnome)
18:29<h3xagram>2) VLC running multiple instances
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18:29<h3xagram>otherwise its a happy life :)
18:30<h3xagram>witte: would you know how to assist me on my 2 problems
18:30<h3xagram>or at least one of them
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18:31<Cackette>now what, witte?
18:31<h3xagram>ahh, you're already assisting someone. I can wait.
18:31<PetaWindows>h3xagram: did you try to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"??
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18:32<witte>!tell h3xagram about set up x
18:32<h3xagram>PetaWindows: yeah but it says no x server is known for my hardware
18:32<PetaWindows>h3xagram: :S:S:S
18:33<h3xagram>it was working before hand :s
18:33<witte>Cackette: that is not the whole file
18:33<PetaWindows>h3xagram: what graphic card do you have?
18:33<h3xagram>intel mcp51 chipset
18:33<h3xagram>nvidia mcp51 chipset
18:33<Cackette>witte: i'm not sure how to see the whole file then
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18:34<h3xagram>with AMD64, but I run i386 debian
18:34<PetaWindows>h3xagram: I would try to reinstall xorg...
18:34<PetaWindows>h3xagram: something like "apt-get remove xserver-xorg --purge
18:34<witte>Cackette: use, there you can upload files
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18:37<Cackette>how do i get out of less
18:37<PetaWindows>h3xagram: and if the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work, I would try to change the configuration file manually...
18:38<PetaWindows>the config. file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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18:39<witte>Cackette: q
18:39<Cackette>i tried crtl+c and ctrl+X
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18:40<h3xagram_>ok... after installing xorg with aptitude and rebooting... it took 5 minutes for it to get to the login prompt while it was loading
18:40<h3xagram_>so, it may have made matters worse :s
18:41<h3xagram_>how do you configure xorg so it can properly boot up
18:41<PetaWindows>with the configuration file
18:41<h3xagram_>which was
18:41<h3xagram_>of course...
18:43<Cackette>witte, so what do i do now
18:43<witte>Cackette: can you also post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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18:45<dmobi>WHICH free control panel is better for debian?
18:47<h3xagram_>control panel?
18:48<Supaplex>debian has a control panel? isn't that a windows thing?
18:48<witte>Cackette: can you try this: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put a # in front of lines 74 and 75
18:48<witte>Cackette: afterwards save and restart x
18:48<PetaWindows>dmobi: did you mean "desktop environment"?
18:49<h3xagram_>thats what I thought he meant...
18:49<Cackette>witte, is there a way to make nano show line numbers?
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18:50<witte>Cackette: ah, good question, it are the lines with horizsync and vertrefresh
18:50<witte>Cackette: i do not know how nano can represent line numbers
18:51<Cackette>i dont see horizsync and vertrefresh in this file
18:51<Cackette>do you mean the other one?
18:51<h3xagram_>If you meant desktop environment, then I would have to say KDE or GNOME. They are both very good. Personally, I use KDE.
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18:53<cisko>with what do i read .pdf?
18:53<PetaWindows>cisko: xpdf for exemple
18:53<PetaWindows>cisko: or another better: "evince" i think :S
18:54<Cackette>alright, restarting X
18:54<cisko>ok cool
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18:54<PetaWindows>cisko: yeah.. evince
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18:54<PetaWindows>cisko: I think is autoinstalled with gnome
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18:54<cisko>everydone do /exec - -o dpkg -l | wc -l
18:54<Cackette>witte, back
18:54<Cackette>witte, nothing seems to have changed
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18:55<Cackette>60hz is the only selection still
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18:55<witte>Cackette: ok, i do not really know what your options are in that case
18:55<Cackette>just leave it, i guess?
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18:56<Cackette>ok, my next problem is sound
18:56<Cackette>there is none
18:56[~]Supaplex watches fusion go critical *BEWM* ;)
18:56<witte>Cackette: there were a bunch of not so nice messages in your log file, but i do not think they are important, and i do not know what do about the issue
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18:56<witte>Cackette: try opening alsamixer
18:56<Cackette>about the resolution or sound?
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18:57<Cackette>in the log file?
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18:57<Cackette>wheres alsamixer
18:57<PetaWindows>Cackette: it's a program
18:57<witte>Cackette: no leave the display what it is, now we are talking about sound ;-)
18:58<Cackette>yeah, but the log file said bad stuff about the sound or the display?
18:58<Cackette>and i dont see a program called alsamixer
18:58<witte>Cackette: that log file said bad things about the display
18:58<witte>Cackette: i was typing to slow
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18:58<PetaWindows>Cackette: you need alsa-utils
18:58<PetaWindows>Cackette: apt-get install alsa-utils
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18:59<Cackette>already have it according to apt-get
18:59<PetaWindows>Cackette: uops..
18:59<Cackette>but where
18:59<Cackette>its not under Sound & Video
18:59<PetaWindows>then I think you should have alsamixer installed :S
18:59<witte>Cackette: just type alsamixer in console
19:00<PetaWindows>Cackette: no... in the comandline
19:00<PetaWindows>type alsamixer
19:00<PetaWindows>yeah :)
19:00<Cackette>in a terminal?
19:00<Cackette>ok, done
19:00<PetaWindows>witte: what indeed means? I'm not english ^^
19:00<PetaWindows>witte: of course?
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19:01<witte>PetaWindows: i'm not english as well ;-). indeed means yes
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19:01<Cackette>means he's agreeing
19:01<witte>PetaWindows: dict indeed ;-)
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19:02<Cackette>so what do i do now
19:02<witte>Cackette: are the settings set to zero?
19:03<witte>alsamixer controls your volume settings
19:03<Cackette>they're set to 100
19:03<Cackette>i have a sound card, could that be an issue
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19:03<witte>Cackette: ok, exit alsamixer
19:04<witte>Cackette: i think it is by issuing <esc>
19:04<witte>Cackette: how did you notice you have no sound :-)
19:04<Cackette>i tried playing internet radio
19:05<Cackette>and watching youtube
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19:07<witte>Cackette: is your user member of the audio group?
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19:07<witte>Cackette: you can see this by doing "id" in a terminal
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19:08<cisko>where is the tutorial how to get CDROM working?
19:09<witte>Cackette: try this: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
19:09<Cackette>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
19:09<Cackette>aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy
19:09<witte>Cackette: good, we have an error, now we can start searching for a remedy
19:10<witte>Cackette: try "alsaconf"
19:10<Cackette>command not found
19:10<witte>Cackette: as root
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19:11<Cackette>do i want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound
19:11<Cackette>default option is Yes
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19:12<witte>default is ok
19:12<Cackette>oh, i thought it meant modify manually
19:12<Cackette>but it didnt
19:13<Cackette>ok thats done
19:13<Cackette>now what
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19:13<witte>Cackette: try the aplay command again
19:14<witte>Cackette: i guess that tada is good?
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19:14<Cackette>yep, it works now
19:14<witte>ok, try youtube and other things as well, but that should work now
19:15<Cackette>how come Epiphany keeps taking default when i'm telling Iceweasel to?
19:15<Cackette>they do
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19:15<witte>Cackette: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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19:16<Cackette>ok, that worked too
19:16<Cackette>next up, where can i download themes that arent ugly
19:17<witte>Cackette: that depends on the window manager you use, but i would start at
19:17<Cackette>window manager being gnome/kde?
19:17<witte>Cackette: there is a lot of info there ;-)
19:17<witte>Cackette: yes
19:17<witte>or something else
19:17<Cackette>is there a way to change from gnome to kde?
19:17<Cackette>it didnt let me pick...and i want kde
19:18<witte>Cackette: apt-get install kde, and at boot, you will probably end up in a gdm log in screen, you can select session kde
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19:18<cisko>how do you issue eject command with force?
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19:19<Cackette>now, i'm installing the latest nvidia driver for my gfx card
19:19<witte>Cackette: the debian way?
19:19<Cackette>and it says "You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing."
19:20<Cackette>the way
19:20<witte>!tell Cackette about nvidia
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19:20<witte>!tell Cackette about nvidia-oneliner
19:20<cisko>how do you eject CD?
19:20<Cackette>so theres a better way than downloading it from
19:20<witte>cisko: umount /dev/cdrom;eject
19:20<witte>Cackette: yes
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19:21<cisko>umount: /dev/cdrom: not found
19:21<cisko>umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
19:21<cisko>umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
19:21|-|cisko kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:21<Cackette>ok then
19:21<witte>Cackette: it uses basically the same driver, but it does not lead to so many problems
19:21<witte>but i have no nvida
19:21[~]bjb sees a mention of Bhutto's assassination :-( on the Wensleydale web site
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19:21<Cackette>how do i add myself to the sudoers file
19:21<cisko>o wut is dat
19:21<witte>cisko: don't paste here
19:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
19:21<cisko>well it was 3 lines
19:22<cisko>not less not more
19:22<witte>!tell Cackette about visudo
19:22<cisko>3 lines
19:22<cisko>what an optimal error
19:22<tV2>>= 3
19:22<Cackette>!tell Cackette about sudoers
19:23<cisko>more than 3 lines
19:23<witte>cisko you have to get out of the directories before umounting (if you have one console on the directory, it will complain about being busy)
19:23<cisko>acceptable linecount 1, 2 ,3
19:23<Cackette>i dont get it
19:23<witte>!tell Cackette about selftell
19:23<cisko>witte: so how do i get the command to automatically make that
19:23<witte>Cackette: just run visudo as root
19:23<cisko>im not manually doing that
19:23<Cackette>then what
19:23<cisko>no way im doing that kind of trash job
19:23<Cackette>i did that, but what do i add
19:23<witte>cisko: do not really know what you mean with that
19:24<Cackette>david ALL=(ALL) ALL
19:24<cisko>witte: no way i sit here killing processes one by one to eject the CD
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19:24<cisko>i want machine to find processes that use CD
19:24<cisko>kill them or whatever
19:24<cisko>just stop serving them the CD
19:24<cisko>and eject the thing
19:24<witte>Cackette: that you could add, or you could read man sudoers"
19:25<cisko>how do i apply real force in to that?
19:25<witte>cisko: have a look at fuser
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19:25<witte>you can write a script around that
19:25<cisko>someone has already written the script
19:25<witte>cisko: but probably there are tools for that, i just like to be in control, so i do not do these things
19:26<cisko>i don't like to do stupid stuff manually
19:26<cisko>over and over and OVER again
19:26<cisko>it gets REALLY booring
19:26<witte>cisko: that is why we like linux: there is plenty of choice for everyone ;)
19:26<cisko>when you rapidly change CD
19:26<Cackette>hrmm, adding "david ALL=(ALL) ALL" seems insecure
19:26<Cackette>it didnt even ask me for a password when i typed sudo
19:27<cisko>its like 10 minutes of work that should be automatical
19:27<cisko>evry time
19:27<witte>Cackette: it should ask you for a password, but your own
19:27<cisko>whats th fuser?
19:27<witte>and it is not that secure
19:27<cisko>what scripting language are you talking about?
19:27<cisko>whats the name of the script?
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19:28<cisko>i can just google it
19:28<cisko>and most importantly
19:28<cisko>why isn't it in apt?
19:28<witte>cisko: apt-get install psmisc;man fuser
19:29<witte>cisko: it is something small that shows which programs use which filesystems, files, whatever
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19:29<Cackette>hrmm, next up
19:29<cisko>oh so i make a supercommand
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19:29<cisko>then how bout automounting CD
19:29<cisko>when you put CD in.. close the tray
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19:30<cisko>so i don't every time have to open up a root console.. write mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom
19:30<cisko>that also gets very stupid very quick
19:30<witte>cisko: maybe you just want to have alook at gnome-volume-manager or pmount
19:30<cisko>ill try pmount
19:31<witte>or ivman
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19:33<Cackette>alright, kde is setup
19:33<Cackette>now i have to completely reboot?
19:33<Cackette>or just X
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19:38<Cackette>ok, i'm back
19:38<witte>Cackette: just x
19:38<Cackette>oh, well i rebooted completely anyways
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19:40<Cackette>much better looking
19:40<Cackette>gnome is ugly
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19:40<witte>Cackette: both are eating to much resources, i like windowmaker
19:40<Cackette>meh, this computer can handle it
19:40<witte>Cackette: mine can as well ;-)
19:41[~]Solver still uses fvwm
19:41<Solver>it looks very MWM but it works for me :)
19:41<witte>Solver: mwm?
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19:43<witte>Solver: nevermind, googled it
19:44<Solver>cool :)
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19:45<cisko>well this is gay
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19:45<cisko>i take example from fuser manual
19:45<cisko>it has a syntax error
19:45<cisko>fuser -fn -s term /media/cdrom
19:45<cisko>well thats pretty good documentating right there
19:46<Solver>try -f -n
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19:46<cisko>invalid namespace name
19:46<cisko>no idea what that is
19:47<witte>cisko: there is no such example in my man page of fuser
19:47<Solver>-f is silently ignored according to the man page
19:47<witte>try this: fuser -km /media/cdrom
19:47<cisko>then i must have read some old
19:47<Solver>yeah -n would probably require a parameter
19:47<cisko>lol it worked
19:47<witte>cisko: i use sid, so it could change, although i doubt they will change this program often
19:48<Solver>I'd say it's pretty stable
19:48<cisko>i foudn that manual from google
19:48<Solver>a lot of scripts would break if it changed
19:48<Solver>cisko: was it s Linux man page or from another *nix
19:48<witte>cisko: you can also do "man fuser"
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19:48<Solver>across flavour the parameters could change
19:48<cisko>fuser -km /media/cdrom && eject
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19:49[~]Solver also mentions lsof
19:49<cisko>now if that could be binded to the eject button of the CDROM
19:49<cisko>how cool would that be :-D
19:49<witte>cisko: and now make a bash script which you can access through your desktop
19:49<cisko>bit too much?
19:49<cisko>thought so
19:49<cisko>ill just have to settle in that
19:50<witte>cisko: not sure, i think the eject button has no feedback to the pc
19:50<cisko>it most definetly has
19:50<Solver>cisko: well fuser -k sends a sigkill (-9) so best if it isn't used too often :)
19:50<witte>you could try to use the reset button :-)
19:50<cisko>should i care about -9
19:50<Solver>yeah I think it is a just a s/w button
19:50<Solver>cisko: -9 doesn't give a process a chance to close
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19:51<Solver>cisko: you should try to use SIGTERM (-15) first in most cases
19:51<Solver>if you use kill or killall the default is -15
19:51<cisko>well more convinient would be just to stop seding them data from CD
19:51<Solver>-15 says "please go away"
19:51<cisko>just take it away from them
19:51<Solver>overuse of -9 will bite
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19:51<Solver>you might have an important file open - blam
19:52<cisko>are you saying you can't safely remove a CD in unix?
19:52<witte>Solver: do you know of cleaner ways to eject cdroms
19:52<Cackette>witte, can you help me add my 2 network printers?
19:52<cisko>how nice is that
19:52<Solver>witte: I'm just making reference to the method used to kill the processes using the cdrom
19:52<witte>Cackette: install cups and go to http://localhost:631
19:52<witte>Solver: yes, i know, but i wonder if there is no clean option
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19:52<witte>Solver: clean and easy
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19:53<Solver>witte: an automounted may be able to do it nicer
19:53<witte>this must not be the first time that someone wants to do this
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19:53<Solver>personally I find and close any process holding a lock before ejecting
19:53<witte>Solver: i just do not know any of these things, i do everythign by hand ;-)
19:53<Solver>mosttly it is bash terms with PWD in the cdrom
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19:53<Solver>witte: same :)
19:54<Solver>I just wanted to mention that -9 should be a last resort in general :)
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19:54<Cackette>Package cups is not available, but is referred to by another package.
19:54<Cackette>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
19:54<witte>Cackette: apt-cache search cups
19:55<witte>Cackette: i think the package name is cupsys or somethign
19:55<cisko>so excactly how is this "pmount" gonna help me?
19:55<cisko>pmount [options] <device> [<label>]
19:55<Cackette>theres a bunch of stuff under there
19:55<otter_>speaking of kill -9, here's a nice bash script I like to call murder : ps ax | grep $1 | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9
19:55<cisko>so now instead of "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom" i have to write "pmount /dev/hdc"
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19:56<Solver>otter_: heehe
19:56<Cackette>cupsys - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
19:56<Cackette>or cupsys-client
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19:56<Solver>there is a util called "slay" which is useful
19:57<witte>cisko: i do not know, read the manual, i just did apt-cache search automount
19:57<witte>otter_: apt-get install slay
19:57<witte>Cackette: it is called cupsys, install that one
19:57<otter_>well I used to just call it fuckoff ;)
19:57<Solver>it's appropriate :)
19:57<Cackette>witte, already have it
19:57<witte>Cackette: perfect, just go to the webpage i mentioned, and install the printers
19:57[~]Solver loves cups
19:58<Solver>yay cups! :)
19:58<Solver>IPP in general is pretty damn good
19:58<witte>Cackette: should be easy, if not, read the manual/tutorials, and if you do not understand, you just ask here ;-)
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19:59<bebin>how to install bootsplash on debian
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20:02<Cackette>i dont know what device to select
20:02<geekunit>Ugh. Is it possible to install drivers for a GeForce 8600 in Lenny?
20:03<Cackette>the printer is hooked up to the router
20:03<bebin>how to install bootsplash on debian
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20:03<witte>Cackette: depends on the router, which printing protocols does it support?
20:04<Cackette>i have no clue
20:04<Cackette>its a linksys wrt54gs
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20:04<witte>Cackette: me neither, search google for it
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20:06<bjb>thanks to Bryce Goglin for speedy resolution to my X fonts and icons problem - with a development patch to xserver-xorg-video-intel it's working fully properly again
20:06<bjb>and thanks to sooperku1 for identifying the bug and pointing me in the right direction
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20:07<bjb><--- happy camper
20:07<Cackette>damn, this is hard
20:07<Cackette>confusing too
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20:09<witte>Cackette: there are a bunch of post on the topic, but i can not find the right one atm, you just need to know how to approach your router: with lpd, smb, ipp, or maybe it understands all of them...
20:09<Cackette>smb = samba?
20:10<witte>Cackette: yes
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20:11<Cackette>theres an option to enable "Samba FS Automount" in my router
20:11<Cackette>i've seen it before
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20:11<Cackette>to turn on SMB Filesystem
20:11<witte>Cackette: i think it will be something like lpd:// or so
20:11<cisko>lol i wish there would be automount CD aswell :-D
20:11<witte>Cackette: that is not it
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20:12<witte>Cackette: that is for samba file sharing, not entirely the same as printer sharing
20:12<Cackette>konquerer doesnt support lpd://
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20:12<witte>Cackette: look in your router manual if there is more information on the subject
20:13<witte>Cackette: i meant lpd://... to put in the configuration for cups
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20:14<Cackette>this is tough
20:15<Cackette>eh, this machine doesnt need to print anyways
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20:17<Neyuth>i have a really big problem
20:17<Cackette>is there any reason that new windows start minimized?
20:17<lucas_amorim>hello, I am having a sound problem on debian lenny. It was working perfctely, but now when I try to play an mp3 on xmms it says: " Please check that: Your sound card is configured properly // You have the correct output plugin selected // No other program is blocking the sound card" When I try to play an mp3 on VLC it works. Another sound app which is crashing is gtkguitune
20:17<Neyuth>i have been working for some hours and the program is locked
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20:17<Neyuth>how i can see the memory of a program
20:17<lucas_amorim>gtkguitune says: Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "": cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:17<Neyuth>i can do any memory dump or something??
20:17<lucas_amorim>/dev/dsp: No such file or directory
20:18<lucas_amorim>what is happennig?
20:18<lucas_amorim>these applications were working perfectely yesterday
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20:18<Neyuth>how i can do a memory dump for a program
20:19<Neyuth>4 hours of my work are in danger
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20:19<Neyuth>fucking crossover!
20:19<witte>Neyuth: are you editing a text file (and i mean ascii)
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20:20<Neyuth>im new in this
20:20<Neyuth>so im using notepad ++
20:20<Neyuth>its freezed
20:20<Neyuth>a bad oeration
20:20<witte>Neyuth: you are using notepad on linux??????
20:20<Neyuth>i need a memory dump to take it
20:20<Neyuth>i dont know any good editor
20:20<Christmas>try kate
20:20<witte>Neyuth: so you take the worst editor ever?
20:20<Neyuth>im in gnome
20:21<Christmas>so what?
20:21<Neyuth>i dont have so much memory
20:21<witte>gedit would be ok as well
20:21<Christmas>then use gedit
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20:21<infinitycircuit>Neyuth, then use leafpad
20:21<Neyuth>ill us gedit next time
20:21<infinitycircuit>Neyuth, or beaver
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20:21<Neyuth>now i want to make a memory dump
20:21<witte>ok, for your work
20:22<Neyuth>where i can search
20:22<hillih>lucas_amorim: do you have setup your sound card properly?
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20:22<Neyuth>i dont know where to start
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20:22<witte>it should be possible to make a dump of your memory to your disk (as raw data) but i do not know how
20:22<witte>let me check something
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20:23<Cackette>witte, is there a way to set an image from Konquerer as your wallpaper?
20:24<bjb>Cackette, drag it to the wallpaper and drop it
20:24<Cackette>i cant
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20:24<hillih>Neyuth: run crossover from the console window (gnome-treminal) and see what it prints out.
20:24<Cackette>oh, there we go
20:24<Cackette>had to drag the URL icon
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20:27<Neyuth>i have to use parameters
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20:27<Neyuth>tins of commands
20:28<hillih>Neyuth: wht prog are you trying to run in crossover?
20:29<Neyuth>notepad ++
20:29<Neyuth>but its too late
20:29<Neyuth>i think
20:29<Cackette>uh oh, witte, sound isnt working in KDE now
20:29<Neyuth>its says that i have to reset
20:29<Neyuth>to do something
20:30<witte>Neyuth: if you reset you lose everything
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20:30<Neyuth>yes i know
20:30<hillih>Neyuth: you can try gedit, it is realy powerfull if you find out all the functions it has
20:30<witte>Neyuth: but i can not help you (but then again, i am not that knowledgable ;-))
20:31<Neyuth>Ill start again
20:31<witte>Cackette: run alsaconf again, normally it should remain ok after reboot
20:31<Cackette>just did
20:31<Neyuth>thanks anyway
20:31<Cackette>omg, theres annoying sounds when windows open and stuff
20:31<Neyuth>i have learned something important
20:31<Neyuth>not to use notepad++
20:32<Neyuth>and to save the work not at the end
20:32<hillih>Neyuth: check out Winehq for config info on np++
20:32<witte>Neyuth: maybe there are autosaves of the thing
20:32<witte>if it is not notepad but notepad++ (don't know if there is a difference)
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20:33<cjmrdc>anyone have any creative ideas what to do with a few linux boxes sitting around doing nothing? besides F@H
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20:33<witte>cjmrdc: are they fast?
20:34<Neyuth>No autosaves
20:34<hillih>Neyuth: I found this on googel:
20:34<Cackette>witte, i go to in Iceweasel and it tells me i need to update my browser...
20:35<Neyuth>T_T there is a version for linux
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20:36<witte>Cackette: here as well, just send them an email, and go to a competing firm
20:36<dondelelcaro>Cackette: e-mail them and thel them that they are idiots for bothering to try to detect them.
20:36<Cackette>whats that gonna do, they're the largest ISP in America
20:36<Neyuth>im not going to use notepad ++ again in linux
20:36<dondelelcaro>Cackette: your other option is to just set your user agent to something else.
20:36<Neyuth>no win aps
20:36<witte>Cackette: don't know, you can only try, and there are probably others as well
20:36<dondelelcaro>Cackette: or disable javascript entirely.
20:37<Cackette>i'll get that useragent addon
20:37<Cackette>i had it once
20:37<witte>Cackette: i do not which isp is best in the states ;-)
20:37<hillih>Neyuth: hehe, do emacs :-)
20:37<Neyuth>thankyou anyway
20:37<Cackette>they're not the best, but the largest
20:37<hillih>Neyuth: or even better vim :-D
20:37<witte>hillih: emacs is better than vim
20:38<dpkg>well, flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python
20:38<Neyuth>yes i know vim
20:38<Neyuth>but i need to use macros
20:38<hillih>witte: for fast and dirty edit: vim
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20:38<Neyuth>it was for sql scrpts, i have to edit them manually
20:38<hillih>but for coding emacs
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20:39<Neyuth>is much fasdter when it6s uses colors for everything an macros to move things
20:39<dondelelcaro>Neyuth: emacs has sql modes; dunno about vi.
20:39<hillih>in gedit you can enable color-coding as in vim and emacs
20:39<witte>hillih: i am not going to debate emacs over vim, it would take us to far :P
20:39<witte>hillih: and emacs for using irc :-)
20:39<witte>hillih: for fast editing i use emacs or nano
20:40<Neyuth>yes i use vi
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20:40<Neyuth>but wn i work whit c
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20:40<hillih>witte: yes, no battel :-)
20:40<Neyuth>ill try emacs
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20:42<Neyuth>btw what is the codification for windows?
20:42<Neyuth>for ascii
20:42<hillih>Neyuth: hm, else give bluefish <> a try. for coding in project
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20:44<hachi>my mouse in Xorg has sorta... undetected itself or something
20:44<hachi>it was working a minute ago, and now it's still visible, still moves with my mouse
20:44<Neyuth>bluefish sounds nice!
20:44<hachi>but I can't click on anything, or do anything at all with it
20:44<hachi>if I fire up xwininfo it says "error: Can't grab the mouse"
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20:45<hillih>hachi: restart X and see if you still have the same prob
20:45<hachi>anyone have a clue how I can fix this sort of thing? It happens every couple days to me... and I'm getting tired of restarting Xorg to 'fix' it
20:45<hachi>restarting will work fine
20:45<hachi>I want to fix the problem
20:45<hillih>hachi: ok
20:45<hillih>hachi: ps/2 or usb mouse?
20:46<hachi> /dev/input/mice
20:46<hachi>several different devices
20:46<hachi>a USB mouse
20:46<hachi>touchpad, eraser
20:46<hillih>ah, ok
20:46<hachi>they 'work' in that the Xorg system is showing it moving just fine
20:47<Neyuth>im going to sleep here its 2:45
20:47<hillih>what happend befor it stopped to work?
20:47<Neyuth>a little bit late
20:47<hillih>Neyuth: god idea :-)
20:47<hachi>hillih: I did an s2ram... and then restored the suspended machine
20:47<hachi>the mouse worked fine for a few minutes
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20:48<hachi>I enabled the wireless network
20:48<hachi>continued working fine
20:48<hachi>then suddenly, no more mouse input reaching apps
20:49<hillih>hachi: hm, did you try whit(sorry) a pc restart?
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20:50<hachi>pc restart implies Xorg restart
20:50<hachi>that willl work fine
20:50<hachi>I've been having this problem for weeks now
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20:51<hachi>there's a line in the Xorg log
20:51<hillih>hachi: no, pc-restart is not only x-restart
20:51<hachi>"Synaptics DeviceOff" called
20:51<hachi>what's pc-restart then?
20:51<hillih>it has something to do white some "drivers"
20:52<hillih>power off the pc
20:52<hillih>it is a known prob...
20:52<hachi>powering off the PC will restart Xorg... cause you know... it's turning off the computer
20:52<hachi>more information please?
20:53<hachi>if this is a known problem, I would like to read more about it
20:54<hillih>yea, there are som driv that don't play so fine whit s2ram(hibernation) save to disk works better
20:55<hillih>oh, you will have to googel tofind the bug-report
20:56<hillih>even in win save to ram creates som prbs
20:56<noname001__>any one can remind me how to block ftp users from getting out from they home directories please ?
20:57<hillih>noname001__:ftp chroot
20:57<noname001__>yes that is one thing
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20:57<noname001__>but also you can do this configuring only ftp server and I forgot where was it :)
20:58<noname001__>I know what you mean
20:58<hillih>noname001__: no probs
20:58<hachi>s2disk didn't work any better
20:58<hillih>hachi: hm, sounds bad
20:58<hachi>as for googling for the problem, I've done that
20:59<hachi>but I'm not finding any relevant results
20:59<hachi>that's why I'm asking here
20:59<hachi>and why I asked for more information
21:03<hillih>is there someone god at LVM and crashed disks here?
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21:07<kop>What's better libpam-cracklib or libpam-passwdqc? Anyone have a preference (and/or rationale)?
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21:08<hillih>thanks anyway and happy hacking :-)
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21:16<bjb>hachi, sometimes rmmod and modprobe of the kernel module that handles the mouse can recover mouse operation. It's a little better than restarting X cause you don't have to close all your apps.
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21:20<geekunit>Can anyone recommend a KDE mp3 player similar to winamp?
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21:21<witte>geekunit: xmms or amarok
21:21<witte>xmms is most similar to winamp, but amarok is supposed to be better
21:21<path>supposed ;)
21:22<witte>path: well, i use xmms and it does enough, but some people tend to say that amarok is much better
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21:22<witte>i do not need anything better as xmms is good enough ;-)
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21:26<LqR>xmms choked on my music collection, and so did amarok. As a matter of fact, the only player I could find that would handle it correctly was mpd.
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21:27<witte>LqR: is your music collection so big, or do you have files with funny characters or so?
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21:27<witte>LqR: because i could use xmms on a 100+GB amount of mp3's on a p3 500 MHz
21:28<LqR>witte: I try to avoid funny characters, and's about 200GB.
21:28<witte>LqR: it does take a while
21:28<LqR>Heh, maybe I was using some buggy build then
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21:28<witte>LqR: yeah, try it again, if it fails, you should file a bug report
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21:29<LqR>But I like mpd, it does exactly what I want it to
21:29<LqR>And nothing more :)
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21:30<LqR>*yawn* time to sleep.
21:31<witte>LqR: i will have a look at mpd ;-)
21:33<witte>LqR: maybe that mpd is a nice solution for the music server at work
21:33<witte>now we log in using ssh, maybe with a web interface this would be really nice
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21:37<twb>mpd has web UIs
21:37<twb>xmms2 is really coming along, although personally I still use mpd
21:37<Cackette>where is the settings so that it doesnt turn my monitor off after certain amounts of inactivity?
21:37<twb>Cackette: when using X, `xset dpms N M P'
21:38<Cackette>whats that do
21:38<twb>Cackette: RTFM
21:38<twb>Cackette: however, xscreensaver disables this. For xscreensaver you need to configure ~/.xscreensaver
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21:38<Cackette>isnt there an option in a GUI?
21:38<twb>Cackette: I assume other screensaver wankery from GNOME, KDE, etc. also disable DPMS.
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21:40<geekunit>hey twb
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21:53<geekunit>What do I need to install to be able to access NTFS drives?
21:55<gsimmons>!tell geekunit -about ntfs
21:58<dpkg>ntfs is, like, Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
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21:59<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
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22:33<justin>is there a way to get sftp to upload a file only if its newer?
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22:33<Guest1430>like a variation of the put command? was googleing and didnt find it
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22:39<geekunit>Got the printer installed, but only root can see it.
22:39<geekunit>How can I change this?
22:39<twb>geekunit: add users to the printer access group?
22:39<twb>Hmm, can't see one here.
22:40<geekunit>twb: When I type groups as root, all I see is "root"
22:40<geekunit>twb: How do I create a printer group?
22:40<twb>Yes, root will have access regardless.
22:40<twb>Is the printer connected via the parallel port?
22:41<geekunit>twb: nope, the USB
22:41<twb>How are you printing as root?
22:42<geekunit>When I open KDE's printer config, there's a button to access it in administrator mode
22:42<geekunit>twb: But it's only in that mode I can see the printer
22:42<twb>I dunno about no GUI stuff
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22:49<geekunit>twb: got it. had to add users, then switch printer view in KDE to cups
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22:51<computerbob>This is my very first message EVER on IRC.
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22:53<computerbob>Should I be seeing conversations scolling by? All I'm seeing is notices that various people are signing on and signing off.
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22:54<kmap>computerbob: Nobody is conversing at the moment about anything useful.
22:54<athlon64># /list
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22:55<kmap>computerbob: If you have Debian specific doubts, please ask away!
22:56<computerbob>Ah, it's good to see that I have this set up correctly, and I'm seeing conversation! No Debian doubts here -- just stopped by
22:56<computerbob>for the first time ever, to see if I could learn anything.
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22:56<kmap>computerbob: My advice to you would be this
22:57<kmap>Join a few channels, and let them scroll by. Later, come back and read. You may find interesting discussions
22:57<kmap>(Of course, feel free to ask sensible doubts and answer questions as well)
22:57<computerbob>I thought #debian IS the channel for Debian. Are there others?
22:58<kmap>There are several debian- channels.
22:58<kmap>#debian is for user support. There's #debian-devel for development discussions etc. Google to find out
22:58<computerbob>So is #debian the "main entrance?"
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22:58<kmap>No. Each channel is independent
22:59<kmap>OFTC is the service provider, #debian, #debian-devel etc. are channels
23:00<computerbob>This will probably sound stupid, but do I leave this channel to visit, for example, #debian-devel, or do I "add" it and see both channels at once?
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23:00<kmap>Just join the channels, and they'll all appear. Do read an IRC FAQ, or the FAQ for your IRC client
23:01<computerbob>Excellent. Thanks for the info. So right now, everyone who's on this channel is just waiting around, in case someone comes in with a question?
23:02<kmap>computerbob: Exactly. Or, listening in for others to discuss.
23:03<blarson>or just letting it sit while they do something else.
23:03<geekunit>what's the best way to run linux games in windows?
23:03<computerbob>I've been a computer user since 1980, a Linux user for a year and a half, and a Debian user for 3 weeks, but this is my first IRC conversation ever. That's why I know nothing about it.
23:03<blarson>geekunit: A live CD?
23:04<geekunit>blarson: err. windows games in linux ;)
23:04<kmap>computerbob: Believe me. Just hang around on a few channels for a while, and you'll get the hang of it in no time! :-)
23:04<computerbob>kmap: Thank you!
23:05<kmap>computerbob: Welcome.
23:05<computerbob>While I'm here, I might as well ask a question...
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23:06<blarson>geekunit: you may be able to run some in wine, but games are some of the hardest things to get to run in an emulation.
23:07<computerbob>How do you get the Debian Etch KDE install CD #1 to let you CHOOSE which software you want? I've tried installing 4 different times, but it always installs 6xx-7xx packages without giving me any choice, other than asking if I want to use a software mirror (7xx packages) or not (6xx packages).
23:07<geekunit>what's the difference between sdl and gtk?
23:07<kmap>computerbob: I am not sure. But I can give you a cheap workaround.
23:08<kmap>I always install only the base, and when it asks me to choose from "Standard Desktop", "Server", etc., I choose _nothing_
23:08<kmap>Then, I manually add my CDs using apt-cdrom, and then do apt-get install kde-core x-window-system-core kdm
23:08<kmap>And then keep getting only stuff I need from apt.
23:09<computerbob>I've never even seen a choice to install the base only. I get the impression that the "normal" Gnome-based install CD works that way, but I can't for the life of me get the KDE install CD to work that way. ;)
23:10<kmap>What is the KDE install CD? I thought there was just one set of Etch install CDs.
23:10<kmap>(I may be wrong)
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23:11<computerbob>Way down near the bottom of the list of Debian Etch install CDs, there's a separate one for KDE, and I think one for Xfce, too.
23:11<computerbob>The advantage of the KDE install CD is that it allows you to install Debian with only KDE at the time of installation, without Gnome.
23:12<twb>computerbob: you don't need a special CD to do that
23:12<kmap>Ah, I see
23:12<computerbob>But it doesn't seem to give you any choices re: what packages you want to install.
23:12<kmap>computerbob: Give the _standard_ install CD a try.
23:12<kmap>It's worth it, in my opnion
23:12<Requiem>the netinstall CD will do KDE too
23:12<Requiem>just have to give it a command
23:12<twb>computerbob: the (nominal) advantage of a "KDE" install CD is that more of the KDE packages are *already on the CD*, and therefore don't need to be downloaded at install time.
23:13<computerbob>Will either the standard or neinst CD allow me to install KDE at the time of installation, without ever installing Gnome?
23:13<twb>You can just download a kernel and ramdisk and boot *that*, without a CD or anything, and use that to do the initial install, pulling EVERYTHING else from the network.
23:13<twb>computerbob: yes.
23:14<dpkg>The USB 2.0 HCD implementation is called the Enhanced Host Controller Interface (EHCI). Only EHCI can support hi-speed transfers. Most of PCI-based EHCI controllers contain other HCD implementations called 'companion host controller' to support Full Speed and Low Speed devices.
23:14<twb>I am having FunTM with HCDs not doing their job on a cheapass laptop :-/
23:14<computerbob>twb: Thanks!
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23:15<Requiem>gah, what the heck is with my audio rips having clicking noises
23:16<twb>Requiem: interference?
23:16<twb>Are you ripping analogue?
23:16<Requiem>Ripping from CDs
23:16<Requiem>yeah, this track is borked
23:17<twb>Using cdparanoia?
23:17<Requiem>not tried that one
23:17<twb>...which probably uses cdparanoia as a back end
23:17<Requiem>hmm, quite probable, have cdparanoia installed at any rate
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23:18<chealer>computerbob: as twb wrote, but if you didn't download yet, you should get the netinst or KDE CD 1
23:19<Requiem>actually, probably not, it's feeding 'flac --best -o %o --tag=Artist=%{artist} --tag=Album=%{albumtitle} --tag=Date=%{year} --tag=Title=%{title} --tag=Tracknumber=%{number} --tag=Genre=%{genre} %f' into stdin for the rips
23:19<twb>flac is an encoder
23:19<twb>It can't read data from a CDDA medium
23:19<Requiem>ah, okay
23:20<twb>You should use flake anyway, it's faster
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23:20<Requiem>the encoding stage only takes a few secinds for me, the big bottleneck is reading the track
23:20<twb>I'm scared to try asking #ubuntu a technical question about their kernels :-( they are so useless...
23:21<twb>It's probably ripping and encoding in parallel, of course.
23:21<computerbob>chealer: Thanks -- I d/l and installed back on December 3 and then reinstalled 4 times since then, all with the KDE install CD. If I ever have to do it again, I will definitely try the netinst. ;)
23:22<chealer>computerbob: oh, sorry, I wasn't following. welcome to IRC and #debian
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23:22[~]Requiem mutters
23:22<Requiem>lost my jeffeson airplane CD, again
23:23<computerbob>chealer: Thanks! I'm absolutely LOVING Debian. After learning a lot from Mepis for 15 months, I now find Debian gives me a perfect balance of challenge and reward.
23:23<twb>I can ramble about wangs if it would help you get a feel for IRC
23:23<twb>computerbob: wow, you are the polar opposite of jaded
23:25<computerbob>twb: When I started using Mepis, I was grateful to have a distro that "held my hand." Now I'm grateful that Debian gives me more freedom, even though it makes me work for it. ;)
23:26<DanDare>is what helds hand ;)
23:26<computerbob>DanDare: I don't understand.
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23:28<Requiem>Am I the only person who found linux perfectly straightforward on the first install?
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23:28<brianw>anyone have a deb of xen-linux 2.6.20 or better compiled against Xen in testing?
23:28<twb>I don't remember when I first installed Linux.
23:28<twb>I know for a fact that Windows is not "straightforward" to instal
23:29<tisGood>Can someone help me I had Internet on my debian box now i dont i restarted now eth2 is gone...
23:29<brianw>twb: mine was 0.82 from slackware on 15 3.5" floppies in 1993. ;)
23:29<Requiem>it's been.. 3 anda half years for me
23:29<Requiem>or was it 2 and a half...
23:29<twb>tisGood: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
23:29<Requiem>no 3.5
23:29<brianw>Requiem: youngin. *grin*
23:29<tisGood>how can i pastebin it when i have no internet...
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23:29<tisGood>on that pc
23:30<brianw>tisGood: if you have no net, how are you in here?
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23:30<twb>I would say young'un
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23:30<Requiem>pretty much, that was my firat computer
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23:30<Requiem>(that I owned, had my parents windows boxes before that)
23:30<twb>So I'm taking bets
23:31<twb>Who thinks that if I dual-boot this laptop with Lenny the HCD problem I'm seeing under Gutsy will disappear?
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23:31[~]Requiem raises hand
23:32<twb>If you want a few giggles, read their rationales for disabling IP over firewire in /etc/modprobe.d
23:32<DanDare>computerbob, sorry i think its cause my english sucks sometimes
23:32<DanDare>i hate language gaps :p
23:32<Requiem>because it's annoying as heck when the NIC get's designated eth0?
23:33<twb>DanDare: what is your native language?
23:33<DanDare>brazilian portuguese
23:33<twb>Ah, pt_BR
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23:34<twb>"hand holding" is where the software assumes you don't know what you're doing, and tries to be helpful.
23:34<twb>Like a mom holding a child's hand when crossing the road
23:34<computerbob>DanDare: No problem! When I mentioned Mepis "holding my hand," I meant that Mepis made it easy for me to start using Linux as a newbie. But now that I'm not a newbie any more, I like the way that Debian DOESN'T "hold my hand."
23:35<brianw>if you want bare metal control try one of the BSDs.
23:35<twb>brianw: you misspelt movitz
23:35<computerbob>twb: You beat me to it, explaining "hand holding." LOL
23:35<Requiem>I have a fried who went with Gentoo for his first install
23:35<DanDare>computerbob, ok i got it now. Bu anyway linux "helds your hand" in the task to improve your skills and the exercise of the logic
23:36<twb>tisGood: there's no eth2 entry there, which is why eth2 is not started on boot
23:36<tisGood>well if i do ifconfig theres no eth1 either
23:36<twb>tisGood: ifconfig -a
23:36<Requiem>eth0 should be the only one in most systems
23:37<brianw>tisGood: run "ifconfig -a" to get a list of all your interfaces. the interface name probably changed on you or somethign. ;-P
23:37<computerbob>DanDare: Exactly. Mepis "held my hand" so that I could learn enough that I didn't need Mepis "holding my hand" any more.
23:37<tisGood>when i installed debian it gave me lo and eth1 and i changed from nic card to motherboard which made it eth2
23:37<DanDare>sweet, its cool
23:37<twb>Argh, this fucking cheap-ass laptop
23:37<tisGood>so how do i get eth0 ?
23:38<tisGood>ifconfig -a brought up only lo
23:38<brianw>tisGood: you don't. you use whatever interface is available. :)
23:38<brianw>then your missing the kernel module for your network card.
23:38<brianw>of the network card is disabled in the bios, or busted.
23:38<brianw>one of those three things.
23:38<tisGood>but it was working 30 minutes ago
23:38<twb>tisGood: if ifconfig -a only lists lo, then you need to load the appropriate kernel drivers for the hardware you have
23:38<twb>tisGood: pastebin the output of lspci
23:38<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
23:39<tisGood>it would take me like two years to type all that out lol
23:39<twb>dash: aplay: not found
23:39<twb>tisGood: use a web browser, then
23:39<brianw>tisGood: just run "pspci -v" and look for the word "ether"
23:40<twb>Oh right
23:40<twb>Not NIC
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23:40<twb>*no nic
23:40<computerbob>tisGood: You can edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules to change the eth to whatever number you want. Edit very carefully.
23:40<brianw>from there, look at the start of that device entry to see what chipset it is.
23:40<twb>tisGood: lspci | grep Ethernet
23:40<tisGood>pspci command not found
23:40<twb>tisGood: just those lines
23:40<Requiem>it's lspci
23:40<brianw>00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
23:40<Requiem>not pspci
23:40<brianw>for example, that's the line similar to what you would look for.
23:41[~]brianw kicks fingers for typo
23:41<tisGood>yea i got a Via pci bridge
23:42<twb>tisGood: I need the EXACT line
23:42<chealer>computerbob: see to control tasksel via the tasks boot parameter.
23:42<twb>Does tasksel actually have a KDE task?
23:43<chealer>computerbob: the problem of the non-GNOME CD-s is that they use "tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" by default, but when tasks is set, tasksel doesn't prompt.
23:43<chealer>well, the Xfce CD doesn't use kde-desktop obviously
23:43<chealer>twb: yes
23:43<computerbob>chealer: I've read all about tasks, but the Etch KDE CD #1 does the same install, whether I use the standard KDE "task" or not. I think maybe everyone thinks that it works the way the Gnome install CD works, but it doesn't.
23:43<tisGood>PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, INC VT8237 PCI bridge [k8t800/k8t890 South] (prog-if 00 [normal decode])
23:44<brianw>tis, that's just a pci bridge, find the entry that has the word "ethernet" in it.
23:44<twb>computerbob: there is no "GNOME install CD", AFAIK
23:44<brianw>like my example.
23:44<twb>tisGood: OK, so the next step is we google for that string
23:45<brianw>lspci -v | grep -i ether -A5
23:45<computerbob>chealer: Are you sure about that "taks=standard, kde-desktop" by default? That would sure explain why it never cares whether I use a "task" or whether I just press <Enter> on boot!
23:45<brianw>twb, that's plain jane pci bridge, not the ethernet device. ;-P
23:45<Cackette>Does anyone here use MythTV?
23:45<brianw>it's a PITA to setup
23:45<tisGood>Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, INC. VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev11}
23:45<brianw>there we go. :)
23:45<Cackette>brianw, you talking to me?
23:46<Cackette>or someone else?
23:46<twb>brianw: sorry, I wasn't listening
23:46<brianw>now plug that into google adding "linux driver" tot he end and see what comes up. :)
23:46<brianw>Cackette: yeah. ;-P
23:46<brianw>Cackette: hehe
23:46<brianw>cack, yes I use mythtv, it's busted right now (again).
23:46<chealer>twb: GNOME is Debian's default X session type
23:46<Cackette>can you help me w/ it
23:46<cjmrdc>i need to set up one of my linux boxes to download all the updates and the others to download from it so i stop using all of's bandwidth
23:47<Cackette>i did all the apt-get install mythtv
23:47<Cackette>now its not working
23:47<brianw>have you setup the DB?
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23:47<brianw>I had to dig thrrough 20+ howtos to get it running.
23:47<Cackette>i followed the wiki
23:47<brianw>and even then it breaks constantly.
23:47<twb>chealer: that doesn't make install CD one a "gnome install cd"
23:47<brianw>I suggest rading the mythtv wiki thoroughly.
23:48<Cackette>can i PM you?
23:48<chealer>computerbob: yes. the KDE and Xfce CDs are hacks. that's the main problem of the dirty implementation.
23:48<brianw>yes, but I doubt i'll be able to help much. 8-P
23:48<brianw>if at all
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23:49<chealer>twb: oh, well, it's not called like that, but it would be if the default DE was changed.
23:49<tisGood>is there a way to like exec interfaces file
23:49<twb>chealer: bah
23:49<computerbob>chealer: What's confusing is that the "help" screens on the KDE install CD explain all about using "tasks" but don't tell you that the kde standard one is the default even if you don't specifically use it! Aha! Mystery sol-vedd. ;)
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23:51<tisGood>when i start pc it says could read interfaces file FAILED
23:51<tisGood>that mean anything
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23:52<tisGood>besides the obviousd
23:52<chealer>computerbob: it's not "the default", but it's part of the default, the default being standard + kde-desktop
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23:52<computerbob>chealer: Yeah, that's what I meant, but I shortened it out of typing laziness.
23:52<twb>tisGood: what is the first three words output from `ls -l /etc/network/interfaces' ?
23:52<twb>tisGood: sorry, first 4 words
23:53<tisGood>.. /etc/network/interfaces
23:54<computerbob>chealer: So is there a "task" I could specify in the "install" command that would let me CHOOSE which packages I want, instead of the whole 6xx-7xx default package installation?
23:54<tisGood>i changed the eth1 to eth2 because it was using eth2 before but now its saying that on boot
23:55<chealer>computerbob: unless "tasks=" (no tasks) does that, you can't get the tasksel prompt. but the tasks parameter allows you to choose (though without the TUI). I suppose you want "tasks=standard"
23:59<twb>computerbob: eh?
23:59<computerbob>chealer: So if I booted up the KDE install CD and at the install prompt, typed install tasks="standard" it would allow me to choose which desktop (KDE) AND which packages I wanted?
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