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00:00<twb>computerbob: why don't you do a minimal install, then reboot, log in as root and run "apt-get install kde"?
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00:01<chealer>computerbob: uh...yes and no. you won't have the tasksel prompt during the install, like you would with the GNOME install CD, but you will be able to run tasksel on the installed system.
00:01<computerbob>twb: I don't need to reinstall now. I'm just trying to find out how I could install better the next time I do, so I don't end up with hundreds of packages installed by default that I won't use. ;)
00:01<chealer>twb: he's looking for something lighter than kde
00:02<twb>He wants KDE without KDE?
00:03<chealer>twb: the kde package is not really the same thing as KDE. I guess he would prefer starting from kde-core.
00:03<computerbob>No, I want KDE, I just don't want all of the 7xx packages that the KDE install CD gives me by default.
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00:03<Cackette>ugh, mysql is being a bitch
00:04<twb>computerbob: that's what KDE *is*
00:04<kmap>twb: I think he would want the equivalent of the kde-core meta-package
00:04<kmap>plus more stuff on-demand
00:04<Cackette> halp
00:05<computerbob>Whenever I've read about people installing Debian, I've always seen them talk about how they got to a certain part of the installation...
00:05<computerbob>and Debian gave them a choice of which packages they wanted to install. I was just looking for that same choice with the KDE install CD.
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00:08<Cackette>anyone know whats going on?
00:08<bjb>Cackette - did you check that the socket exists and that you have permission to talk to it?
00:08<Cackette>i have absolutely no clue how to do that
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00:09<bjb>Cackette, a socket is an entry in the file system, like a file.
00:10<bjb>Cackette: so: what's the output of ls -la /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock?
00:10<Cackette>all i did was install mysql-server, mess something up, apt-get remove --purge mysql-server, apt-get install mysql
00:10<Cackette>and now it does this
00:11<Cackette>ls: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: No such file or directory
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00:11<bjb>I guess mysql isn't running then?
00:11<bjb>Perhaps you have to configure it.
00:11<Cackette>it was when i originally ran the command
00:11<Cackette>before i removed it
00:11<Cackette>something changed after i removed it and reinstalled it
00:12<twb>So fellas
00:12<twb>I'm trying to install Debian dual-boot, and the framebuffer is messed up so I can't see what I'm doing
00:12<twb>Does d-i's partition thingy know how to resize Ubuntu's LVM partition?
00:12<Cackette> is what i'm following, i started there, got to then removed both mythtv and mysql-server and started the process over again
00:13<bjb>Cackette, the next thing to check is if mysql is actually running - also check if the config has reverted to the default
00:13<Cackette>and now its not working at mysqladmin -u root password yourpasswordhere
00:13<Cackette>how do i do either of those?
00:13<bjb>Cackette: mysqladmin is a program that talks to mysqld for you. If mysqld isn't running, there's not much it can do
00:14<bjb>Well, good luck with that. I'm going to bed.
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00:15<Cackette>whats the best way to revert everything i did to clean
00:16<Cackette>since something is different the 2nd time around
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00:16<computerbob>My very first IRC converation has been fun and educational. I thank you guys for welcoming me, and for helping me with my KDE-install questions. I'm going to sign off now. Bye!
00:17<twb>You don't need to "sign off"
00:17<twb>If we care, we'll have configured our clients to notify us when you leave.
00:17<computerbob>Do I just quit my IRC app?
00:17<twb>That's up to you
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00:17<computerbob>OK, here I go.....
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00:18<twb>!AHS is All Hardware Sucks
00:18<dpkg>okay, twb
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00:19<twb>What kind of idiot puts an HDD in a laptop
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00:22<phogg>since when do laptops not need hard disks?
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00:23<Cackette>solid state?
00:23<ezc>anyone know when trying to mount my external usb dvd i issue the following command: mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt/usbdvd/ and my terminal just sits there without brining me back to a new prompt?
00:24<ezc>and doens't mount it succesfully
00:24<xsdg>ezc: first off, DVDs are usually UDF rather than ISO9660
00:25<ezc>mount -t UDF /dev/sr0 /mnt/usbdvd/ ?
00:25<xsdg>worth a try
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00:25<xsdg>ezc: do you see any useful messages at the bottom of your dmesg?
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00:25<ezc>usb 2-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
00:26<ezc>multiple times
00:27<xsdg>ezc: are you using a shielded cable?
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00:27<xsdg>also, is the cable plugged in firmly at each end?
00:28<ezc>yes, i don't think it's shielded cable...
00:28<ezc>i could use another cable and it would be the same thing though
00:29<ezc>i typed: mount -t udf /dev/scd0 /mnt/usbdvd and it does the same thing, it just sits there. I can't exit the command by hiting ctrl+c i have to close the terminal window in order to get it to stop
00:29<ezc>hmm one of the terminals i left open said: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
00:30<ezc>when i go into the /mnt/usbdvd i get an empty directory
00:32<xsdg>ezc: I would imagine it's having lots of I/O errors, which are causing it to have issues mounting and stuff
00:32<xsdg>(given what's in dmesg)
00:32<xsdg>ezc: do you have another USB drive you could try?
00:32<ezc>true, i'm looking up this message... I'm not even sure what it means
00:34<ezc>xsdg: ya, hdd's etc mount just fine
00:34<ezc>they auto mount, i guess etch does that automatically noe?
00:34<xsdg>ezc: is the disc good?
00:35<ezc>yes, i used it to install debian on this laptop, it has not optical drive because it was damaged
00:35<xsdg>ezc: dunno; I haven't done a real install in a while
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00:36<xsdg>ezc: well, if a hard drive works, that would likely leave either your drive or the disc to blame (assuming the whole USB error thing is why you can't mount)
00:36<ezc>ya, i wonder why it's getting a hardware error...
00:36[~]ezc plugs it into another computer
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00:40<ezc>the device is functioning properly on another computer..
00:40<ezc>wow now it mounted
00:40<ezc>that's weird
00:41<ezc>i tried unplugging it and everything, plugged it in another computer, brought it back, now it's functioning :)
00:41<twb>12 minutes to resize a 20G ext2 partition to 8G, with 600M utilized. Bleh
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00:42<ezc>xsdg: thanks for your help
00:42<xsdg>ezc: np
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00:49<Cackette>is there a way to roll back debian to a clean install w/o reformatting
00:49<oddtod>hey guys i know this sounds crazy but can a Powersupply cause a kernel panic?
00:50<Francis>Aff im no speak english
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00:54<twb>Cackette: no.
00:54<Cackette>ok, didnt think so
00:54<twb>Cackette: perhaps you want something different and aren't describing the symptoms clearly.
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00:56<Cackette>i did "apt-get install mysql-server" then like 5 mins later did "apt-get remove --purge mysql-server"
00:56<Cackette>and now when i try to do "apt-get install mysql-server" its not doing it the same
00:56<Cackette>or working
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00:57<dondelelcaro>Cackette: because mysql-server is just a metapackage.
00:57<Cackette>so what do i do?
00:57<dondelelcaro>Cackette: what exactly are you trying to do?
00:57<Cackette>install mythtv
00:57<dondelelcaro>Cackette: so install mythtv
00:57<Cackette>and its not working @ the 3rd step
00:58<twb>IMO MySQL shouldn't be running on any system anyway. It is an toy pretending to be a DBMS.
00:58<twb>sqlite is better because it doesn't pretend ;-)
00:58<dondelelcaro>twb: well, iirc, mythtv only has mysql bindings.
00:58<Cackette>i'm just following the guide
00:59<dondelelcaro>Cackette: in any event, when you installed mysql, you were asked for a root password for it. Just remember that.
00:59<Cackette>no i wasnt
00:59<twb>Typical silliness
00:59<knewt>twb: unfortunately, unless things have changed recently, the MythTV person doesn't want to provide Pg bindings, and won't add any unless they have basically zero impact on the rest of the code
00:59<Cackette> when i did apt-get install mysql-server, it didnt ask for anything
00:59<knewt>s/Pg/anything other than mysql/ really
00:59<dondelelcaro>Cackette: when you installed it the first time, of course.
01:00<Cackette>why cant i completely remove it
01:00<Cackette>and start over
01:00<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you can, but it's a waste of effort.
01:00<Cackette>i really need to
01:00<twb>Cackette: apt-get installs dependencies implicitly, but never removes unneeded dependencies implicitly
01:00<Cackette>to make myself feel happy
01:00<Cackette>so i can start clean
01:00<twb>Cackette: you still have mysql installed, just not the metapackage
01:00<Cackette>how do i fix that
01:01<dondelelcaro>Cackette: there's no need to start clean. Just reset the root password for mysql.
01:01<twb>As dondelelcaro said, you should ignore the complicated crap that the page you linked to says to do, and simply install the mythtv package
01:01<knewt>umm, in that pastebit up above, it doesn't appear to be saying anyway that it's started mysql up after the install. is it actually running?
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01:01<dondelelcaro>!tell Cackette -about forgot mysql root password
01:01<twb>The only reason the mythtv people DON'T tell you to do that is because they want you to run their unstable upstream version
01:02<dondelelcaro>twb: actually, that howto is using the right repository
01:02<Cackette>knewt, no
01:02<Cackette>but when i ran the apt-get install mysql-server the 1st time, it was
01:02<dondelelcaro>Cackette: yes, because it installed mysql-server-5.0, which is the actual server.
01:03<dondelelcaro>Cackette: read what dpkg told you if you have forgotten mysql's root password.
01:03<Cackette>so how do i start mysql
01:03<Cackette>i know what the password is
01:03<dondelelcaro>Cackette: it's already running.
01:03<Cackette>ps -A disagrees
01:04<dondelelcaro>Cackette: then /etc/init.d/mysql-server-5.0 start; (or whatever the init script is called).
01:04<knewt>dondelelcaro: that pastebin says... stopping mysql, settings up, done
01:04<Cackette>so, what do i do knewt?
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01:05<knewt>what dondelelcaro said would, i imagine, get it up and running :)
01:06<Cackette>there is no mysql-server in init.d
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01:06<Cackette>mysql, mysql-ndb, mysql-ndb-mgm
01:06<knewt>dondelelcaro: while i think about it, something i've wondered about for a while.... let's say i install something via aptitude, which pulls in some dependencies. then i purge the package i installed. is there any way to make the dependencies be purged, not just removed?
01:06<dondelelcaro>Cackette: then /etc/init.d/mysql start;
01:07<Cackette>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
01:07<dondelelcaro>knewt: iirc, the default if you purge a package is to also purge the dependencies.
01:07<dondelelcaro>knewt: but you can set it to always purge the dependencies if you want. (it's an aptitude option to select what the default is; purging or removing)
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01:08<Cackette>htpc:/home/david# etc/init.d/mysql start;
01:08<Cackette>bash: etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory
01:08<knewt>hmm, ok. maybe i'm just mis-reading then. i'll take a careful look next time i happen to do it. thanks.
01:08<dondelelcaro>Cackette: leading slashes are important.
01:08<knewt>Cackette: you missed the leading /
01:09<Cackette>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.
01:09<Cackette>Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..
01:09<Cackette>is that good?
01:09<dondelelcaro>Cackette: that's what it should be doing, yes.
01:09<Cackette>now i continue to mysqladmin or install mythtv?
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01:10<dondelelcaro>Cackette: just install mythtv.
01:10<twb>What's the kernel parameter to disable acpi?
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01:11<dondelelcaro>twb: noacpi will do it, there are others to disable select bits of it
01:11<dondelelcaro>twb: they're all listed in the installer's pre-boot documentation
01:11<twb>dondelelcaro: thanks
01:11<Cackette>ok, from here
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01:11<Cackette>i did apt-get install mythtv, and when i do passwd mythtv, it requested me to make a new UNIX password (twice for safety)
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01:12<Cackette>then it says to login to mythtv and start X, how do i do that
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01:12<dondelelcaro>Cackette: login at the console as mythtv or start mythtv directly.
01:12<Cackette>just type login mythtv
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01:12[~]dondelelcaro persoanlly just has an inittab line which does su - mythtv startx;
01:13<Cackette>so i type "login mythtv"
01:13<Cackette>then startx
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01:14<Cackette>dont wanna mess up here
01:14<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you login at the login: prompt (or su - mythtv) and then startx.
01:14<Cackette>i'm still in Konsole?
01:15<dondelelcaro>Cackette: uh... if you're using Konsole, you're in X now.
01:15<Cackette>but how do i "login to mythtv"
01:15<Cackette>just type "login mythtv"?
01:15<Cackette>currently i'm @ htpc:/home/david#
01:15<Cackette>logged into debian as david
01:15<dondelelcaro>Cackette: mythtv is designed to be run as a standalone system. You log in as the mythtv user at the console and startx as the mythtv user.
01:16<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you generally don't use mythtv on a system which you plan to do things besides watch television
01:16<Cackette>yeah, i know
01:16<Cackette>but i'm setting it up first
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01:17<Cackette>i dont have my tuner card yet
01:17<Cackette>ordered yesterday
01:17<dondelelcaro>well, you're pretty much at the point where you need your tuner card.
01:17<Cackette>i wanna get mythtv running before i move it to the other room...
01:17<Cackette>make sure it works and everything
01:18<Cackette>or atleast starts
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01:18<dondelelcaro>it'll start if you installed the package.
01:18<dondelelcaro>that bit is pretty near bulletproof.
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01:18<Cackette>cant i see it before i have the tuner card
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01:19<knewt>dondelelcaro: the front-end anyway, right? you can run the mythtv backend anywhere i'd guess?
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01:19<dondelelcaro>knewt: anywhere that has a tuner card, yeah.
01:20<dondelelcaro>though usually you run the frontends and backends on the same machine
01:20<Cackette>is it possible to type "login mythtv" in my Konsole here, type "startx", then do "mythtv-setup"?
01:20<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you can su - mythtv; and then run mythtv-setup.
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01:21<knewt>dondelelcaro: yeah, thought so. i think someone i know runs the frontend on a small box in the lounge, and the backend on a box with tonnes of disk space somewhere else in the house
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01:22<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you'll have to use xauth to allow the mythtv user to connect to the x server.
01:22<Cackette>i typed xauth and now it presents me w/ "xauth> "
01:24<dondelelcaro>Cackette: copy the .Xauthority of the user running the X server to ~mythtv/.Xauthority and then run mythtv-setup
01:25<Cackette>uh, explain please
01:25<dondelelcaro>explain what?
01:25<Cackette>how to do what you said
01:26<dondelelcaro>~/.Xauthority is a file. copy it to ~mythtv/.Xauthority using cp.
01:26<dpkg>okay, dondelelcaro
01:26<dondelelcaro>dpkg: forget /.Xauthority
01:26<dpkg>dondelelcaro: i forgot /.xauthority
01:26<Cackette>step-by-step lol
01:26<Cackette>i have no clue where that is or how to copy it to a location
01:26<Cackette>i'm srsly noob
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01:34<dondelelcaro>Cackette: uh... this is kind of basic stuff; it just requires using cp.
01:34<Cackette>i'm kinda below basic
01:34<Cackette>i'm just trying to get mythtv workign and to move on
01:35<dondelelcaro>well, your first step is to learn the basics then
01:35<Cackette>seriously, if you could just walk me thru this
01:35<dpkg>i heard rute is the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition. A fantastic book that is available at or can be purchased at Borders. It covers Linux in a very non-disto specific method. The start of the book is "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing"
01:35<Cackette>i dont want to learn for days, i just want it to work
01:35<dondelelcaro>I can't; sorry.
01:36<twb>Cackette: we are providing help for free. That means we get to choose to spend time on interesting problems, not basic ones.
01:36<twb>Cackette: you can always pay someone to walk you through basic stuff.
01:36<Cackette>yeah, i understand
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01:36<Cackette>but its obviously a simple answer for you guys
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01:37<dondelelcaro>the simple answer is to copy the .Xauthority file from one place for the other. Explaining how to do that requires explaining how to navigate the filesystem, use cp, etc. which is stuff that any introductory book can teach you in the first 4 chapters (if not sooner)
01:37<Cackette>yeah, i'm not interested in buying a book
01:38<dondelelcaro>*shrug* best of luck, then.
01:38<Cackette>where is .Xauthority
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01:38<dondelelcaro>it's in ~/.Xauthority, as I've said about three times now.
01:38<twb>dondelelcaro: does dpkg have a smart-questions URL?
01:38<twb>dpkg the bot, I mean
01:38<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
01:39<dondelelcaro>the link to esr's or whoever's essay on smart questions in in there somewhere, but it's incredibly verbose for saying very little.
01:39<twb>Cackette: please note also that you don't need to *buy* the rute book -- it's available gratis online
01:39<Cackette>i type "cp ~/.Xauthority ~mythtv/.Xauthority"?
01:39<twb>dondelelcaro: some people seem to need verbosity in this respect :-/
01:40<Cackette>yes? no?
01:40<dondelelcaro>twb: could be, but the ask factoid is far less verbose, and very direct.
01:40<knewt>twb: the canonical link to that is at
01:40<dondelelcaro>Cackette: yes.
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01:40<Cackette>from mythtv@htpc:~$
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01:41<twb>knewt: yes, but I don't respect ESR
01:41<Cackette>or htpc:~$/david/home
01:41<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you'll likely have to do that as root, in which case it'll be cp ~yourusername/.Xauthority ~mythtv/.Xauthority; chown mythtv ~mythtv/.Xauthority;
01:41<twb>I respect Rick Moen, and everybody seems to overlook that he co-wrote that article
01:41<dondelelcaro>Cackette: it diesn't matter.
01:41<knewt>twb: heh. but your link isn't as up to date
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01:41<twb>knewt: I'll tell Rick
01:41<Cackette>mythtv@htpc:~$ cp ~/.Xauthority ~mythtv/.Xauthority
01:41<Cackette>cp: `/var/lib/mythtv/.Xauthority' and `/var/lib/mythtv/.Xauthority' are the same file
01:42<xsdg>Cackette: ~mythtv
01:42<dondelelcaro>Cackette: uh... as root, and you want to copy the .Xauthority of the user who is currently running the X server.
01:42<Cackette>yeah, david is running the server
01:43<dondelelcaro>Cackette: so *as root* cp ~david/.Xauthority ~mythtv/.Xauthority
01:43<Cackette>ok, done
01:43<Cackette>no errors
01:43<Cackette>no good
01:43<dondelelcaro>Cackette: then chown it to the mythtv user as root.
01:44<twb>dondelelcaro: if he's using GNOME, it's hidden in /tmp
01:44<twb>Sorry, if using *gdm*
01:44<twb>KDM is probably the same
01:45<dondelelcaro>Cackette: you can't run startx if X is already running.
01:45[~]dondelelcaro stops
01:45<twb>## Dance so screen subprocesses can talk to GDM-spawned X servers.
01:45<twb>if test -n "$XAUTHORITY" then xauth extract - $DISPLAY | xauth -f ~/.Xauthority merge -; unset XAUTHORITY fi
01:45<dondelelcaro>twb: yeah, that's the right way to do it
01:46<dondelelcaro>but explaining that when cp is difficult would take forever
01:46<Cackette>mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
01:46<twb>dondelelcaro: yes, I think there's not much point trying to talk Cackette through this.
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01:47<twb>dondelelcaro: did Cackette end up apt-getting mythtv, or are you doing something harder?
01:47<Cackette>i understand most of what you're saying, i've just never really had to use cp before
01:47<Cackette>i did apt-get install mythtv
01:47<twb>Good, good.
01:47<Cackette>so if X is running, why cant it connect?
01:48<twb>It's security protected.
01:48<twb>To prevent other users on the same system from sniffing your keystrokes and finding out your passwords
01:49<twb>dondelelcaro: would it be easiest to just disable kdm and have Cackette use startx? Then xauth would work OOTB
01:49<twb>btw, this is technically wrong 17:45 <dondelelcaro> Cackette: you can't run startx if X is already running.
01:49<twb>startx -- :1, for example
01:50<Cackette>so whats the deal if i copied /.Xauthority?
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01:51<twb>Cackette: the problem is probably this: normally, the security key is stored in .Xauthority. Again for security, KDM probably hides it in a randomly named file in /tmp, so copying .Xauthority will copy the *wrong* key.
01:51<Cackette>and how would one fix that
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01:52<dondelelcaro>twb: sure, but you definetly can't run it inside of X.
01:52<twb>The most obvious thing would be to have you kill off X and start it again without using kdm, but rather by using startx.
01:52<Cackette>whats kdm
01:52<twb>dondelelcaro: that depends on xserver-xorg preefrences, IIRC. By default only root and tty users can start Xorg
01:52<twb>Cackette: the KDE thing that starts X and asks for a username and password
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01:52<twb>Cackette: the "graphical login screen", IOW
01:53<dondelelcaro>twb: right, I'm talking about by default.
01:53<Cackette>is that necessary
01:53<Cackette>wouldnt that mean no GUI anything
01:53<twb>dondelelcaro: righto
01:54<Cackette>i'm seriously considering reformatting, this worked when i first ran all this stuff
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01:54<Cackette>i got into mythtv-setup w/o a hitch
01:54<Cackette>but it wouldn't connect to mysql
01:54<twb>Cackette: to be honest, I don't really care
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01:55<twb>It's like trying to tell a fielder where to go when he doesn't understand the rules of cricket
01:55<twb>It's not your fault, you just don't have the necessary vocabulary yet to allow me to explain things succinctly.
01:56<cyanide>just a small question, will i be able to do the netinst via ssh, and after which step will i be able to do it?
01:56<cyanide>ill be using this guide:
01:56<twb>This HDD is being reeeeal slow. DMA is on, what else should I check for?
01:56<Cackette>i just dont understand why it'd work fine on the 1st install and then when i removed it and reinstalled, it starts messing up like crazy
01:56<twb>Cackette: nor do I, without lots more diagnosis.
01:57<twb>cyanide: which part are you trying to do via ssh?
01:57<Cackette>is there any way to bring all the dependencies and packages back to clean install w/o a complete reformat
01:57<cyanide>i havent started the installation yet, but if possible, id prefer to do all the steps via ssh
01:57<twb>Cackette: yes, but it's complicated for your current level of expertise
01:57<cyanide>never installed or used debian before, sorry
01:57<Cackette>all i added was xchat, pidgin, and mythtv & mysql
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01:58<twb>cyanide: perhaps you are asking the wrong question. Tell me more about the system you want to install to
01:58<twb>cyanide: it's sitting in a rack in another city or something?
01:58<Cackette>someone said "sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" will fix it
01:58<twb>Cackette: don't believe them
01:58<psybin>anyone here installed the ipw3945 wireless driver package?
01:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
01:59<cyanide>no, its next to me, but i have only 1 monitor and i want to be able to read the guide/connect to irc while im doing the install
01:59<psybin>I have mayor problems with the device showing up, beause its uses a kill switch
01:59<twb>cyanide: OK, that makes things easier
01:59<Cackette>twb, why
01:59<twb>cyanide: I take it you don't have a KVM
01:59<Cackette>he wanted me to ask
02:00<twb>cyanide: OK, so what you want to do (from memory) is boot the installer (d-i), and the switch to vt2 and run something like "anna-install sshd".
02:00<twb>You might be able to do it by choosing "go back" and then picking something down at the bottom of the menu of steps like "install sshd", I don't know.
02:01<cyanide>ok, ill see if that works out
02:01<cyanide>thanks for the suggestion
02:01<knewt>cyanide: if you're not minding reinstalling from scratch, you could always try out KnoppMyth (note: not a personal recommendation, never used it myself)
02:01<twb>Once sshd is running, I'm not actually sure what you can do over sshd
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02:02<twb>knewt: wrong person
02:02<knewt>ah, ok
02:02<Cackette>you mean me, knewt ?
02:02<knewt>yep. tab-complete cack
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02:02<twb>I also know little of knoppmyth, but I suspect it would be a better choice for a newbie like Cackette
02:03<twb>How can I benchmark HDD throughput?
02:03<knewt>twb: yeah, that was my thought. in theory it should be easier :)
02:03<twb>I thought that was just for examining/setting flags
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02:04<twb>DMA is on but it's still taking SECONDS to boot grub stage 1.5 from stage 1
02:04<Cackette>if i edit Xwrapper.conf to say allowed_users=anybody, could i get owned over the net
02:04<knewt>twb: hdparm -tT /dev/...
02:04<cyanide>hdparm -tT /dev/hdX
02:04<twb>knewt: thanks, I'll try
02:04<knewt>best done from single-user of course
02:05<twb>Cackette: yes, changing Xwrapper won't protect you
02:05<cyanide>i think if youre using sata/scsi, you should look into sdparm
02:05<Cackette>not protect me, but make me open to attacks
02:05<Cackette>so i can start X from any user
02:05<cyanide>benchmarking would work, but to set flags, you might need sdparm
02:06<twb>That file is only relevant to people who already have a shell on your system
02:06<twb>Cackette: that file is only relevant to people who already have a shell on your system
02:06<Cackette>ok, just some suggestions from another guy
02:06<Cackette>apparently not too smart ones
02:07<twb>Security is not an on/off thing
02:07<twb>It's about layers of risk
02:07<twb>If an attacker does X and Y and Z then they can compromise layer foo and suborn component yow.
02:08<Cackette>so doing what he said would or wouldnt help the issue here
02:08<twb>It's not like "I have an firewall, I are invincible!1!"
02:08<Cackette>i r 1337
02:09<twb>As I said 18:06 <twb> Cackette: that file is only relevant to people who already have a shell on your system
02:09<Cackette>any other quick fix ideas?
02:09<twb>Unless they can penetrate the outer layers, it makes no difference what you do there.
02:09<twb>"quick fix" of what?
02:10<Cackette>this issue w/ mythtv not connecting to X
02:10<twb>cyanide: ew, it's only doing 5.3MB/s for "buffered" disk reads
02:11<cyanide>different distro, but you could use this guide ->
02:12<twb>I strongly suspect these laptops are just made from components the manufacturer wanted to get rid of to clear some shelf space
02:12<twb>It's a new laptop and it's only 20GB capacity FFS
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02:14<Cackette>i guess i'm gonna reformat and start over
02:15<psybin>I have a miniPCI express, wireless card, what do I need to enable in the kernel for it to work?
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02:16<twb>psybin: depends on the hardware
02:16<twb>psybin: some hardware won't work at all
02:16<Cackette>thanks for all the help so far
02:16<Cackette>i'll be back after the reformat
02:16<psybin>twb: Pleas explain what you mean?
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02:16<twb>psybin: some hardware does not work on GNU/Linux
02:17<psybin>twb: Well runned an other distro with out any problems.
02:17<psybin>so it should work
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02:17<twb>OK, that is useful information.
02:17<twb>Is that other distro still installed?
02:18<psybin>twb: the driver ipw3945
02:18<twb>By the way, s/runned/ran/ and s/with out/without/ are more conventional English.
02:18<twb>Oh right, you said earlier.
02:18<psybin>twb: no :(
02:18<twb>17:58 <psybin> anyone here installed the ipw3945 wireless driver package?
02:19<psybin>twb: I am having no luck with that today :(
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02:19<psybin>twb: like do I need pci express hotplug for it to work?
02:20<twb>I don't know.
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02:21<twb>I can only see ipw2xxx drivers in my kernel.
02:21<twb>Ah right, first of all you need to install the appropriate *NON-FREE* ipw3945-* package
02:21<twb>psybin: have you done this?
02:21<psybin>twb: Yes
02:21<psybin>I have no idea why the package is not yet included in the kernel version.
02:22<twb>Have you installed the ipw3945d package?
02:22<twb>Is the daemon running?
02:22<twb>Does lsmod | grep ipw RET report the driver as loaded into the running kernel?
02:22<psybin>enabled Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack
02:23<twb>I doubt "Generic 802.11" is the ipw3945d daemon
02:23<psybin>it works rather as a program, then a module.
02:23<psybin>It shows up in "ps aux"
02:23<psybin>twb: No but it reuqired the generic 802.11 to be enabled.
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02:26<twb>psybin: OK, good
02:26<twb>psybin: but the kernel module should also be loaded, AFAICT
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02:27<twb>The userspace daemon simply prevents you from using non-civilian settings on the device (fucking FCC)
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02:30<Cackette>i'm back!
02:30<Cackette>when was 4.0r2 released?
02:30<Cackette>i just downloaded 4.0r1 last night
02:31<cyanide>my bad, 27th it seems
02:31<Cackette>so today
02:31<cyanide>yesterday or today, depending on your timezones
02:31<Cackette>and doing apt-get upgrade apt-get update, etc will bring me up to 4.0r2?
02:32<cyanide>dont know that myself, havent started using debian yet :P
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02:35<Cackette>anyways, patiently waiting for debian to install again =/
02:35<Cackette>gotta get this shit right the 1st time around
02:36<chealer>Cackette: yes
02:36<Cackette>good answer
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02:37<Cackette>any reason why the install CD doesnt allow you to choose KDE during install
02:37<Cackette>instead of having to apt-get it, reboot X, then choose it
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02:38<twb>18:31 <Cackette> and doing apt-get upgrade apt-get update, etc will bring me up to 4.0r2?
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02:38<twb>Cackette: it will.
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02:39<twb>Cackette: I recommend people use aptitude instead of apt-get, btw, because it keeps logs of pending actions.
02:39<Cackette>same commands?
02:39<twb>Broadly, yes
02:39<Cackette>like "aptitude install mysql-server"
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02:40<twb>It also has a GUI if you prefer that sort of thing
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02:43<Cackette>um, weird
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02:43<Cackette>why does it say KDE is not an available package
02:43<Cackette>pretty sure thats how i did it last time
02:43<twb>Where does it say this?
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02:43<Cackette>apt-get install kde
02:43<twb>Try aptitude update, first
02:44<Cackette>is it kdebase?
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02:44<twb>There is a metapackage called `kde'
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02:45<Cackette>base components of the official KDE release
02:45<Cackette>is that what i want?
02:45<twb>I don't know.
02:45<Cackette>or kdm - X display manager for KDE
02:45<Cackette>i was pretty sure i did apt-get install kde earlier
02:45<Cackette>but maybe not
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02:46<psybin>twb: the drivers do not create anything in /sys/bus/pci/driver/
02:46<psybin>got any clue what could be wrong?
02:47<twb>psybin: I don't know.
02:47<psybin>btw /sys is virtual right?
02:47<twb>psybin: man 5 fs, man sysfs
02:48<twb>Hmm, neither of those are actually relevant
02:49<psybin>k will do
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02:51<Cackette>seriously, there used to be a package called KDE
02:51<Cackette>where'd it go...
02:51<psybin>kde-base ?
02:51<Cackette>not sure
02:52<chealer>Cackette: all package names are lowercase
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02:53<Cackette>yeah, i used lowercase
02:53<Cackette>even if i do apt-cache search kde, theres no single package kde
02:53<chealer>Cackette: well, there still is a kde package in the archive.
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02:54<Cackette>is it kde-base i want?
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02:55<chealer>Cackette: no
02:55<Cackette>then how do i get kde? i seriously remember just doing apt-get install kde last time
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02:55<chealer>!tell Cackette about install kde
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02:56<Cackette>how do i install a metapackage?
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02:58<Supaplex>just like any other package.
02:58<Supaplex>apt-get install <it>
02:58<Cackette>then why does it not work
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02:58<Cackette>"No candidate version found for kde"
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02:59<twb>Cackette: so you've done something wrong.
02:59<twb>Cackette: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
02:59<Cackette>i didnt change anything other than # the CD
02:59<twb>That's what they all say
03:00<Cackette>deb etch/updates main contrib
03:00<twb>*pastebin* I said.
03:00<Cackette>i dont have IRC installed on debian yet
03:00<twb>You should have at least two lines
03:00<twb>If that's your only line, no wonder kde can't be installed.
03:01<Cackette>theres the same one w/ deb-src
03:01<Cackette>you interrupted saying pastebin
03:01<oddtod>hey guy i'm getting a kernel panic from a machine i've set up... how can i figure out what the issue is?
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03:01<twb>Cackette: that's still wrong
03:01<twb>Cackette: there should be an etch entry, too.
03:02<twb>Something like `deb lenny main'
03:02<Cackette>there isnt for some reason
03:02<twb>Only with etch instead of lenny and http://ftp.<country> instead of that long thing
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03:03<twb>Cackette: so add it
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03:03<Cackette>theres just "deb etch/updates main contrib" and "deb-src etch/updates main contrib"
03:04<Cackette>pretty weird...
03:04<Cackette>do i want that and a deb-src of the same?
03:05<Cackette>"deb etch main" and "deb-src etch main"
03:05<twb>The deb-src entries only matter if you want to build stuff from source
03:05<Supaplex>you don't really need the deb-src lines
03:05<twb>Probably correct.
03:05<Cackette>might as well have it just in case
03:06<twb> lists all the mirrors
03:06<twb>There might be an
03:06<Cackette>i'm in CA
03:06<twb>Your hostname says you're in mn
03:06<twb>Whatever that is
03:06<Cackette>yeah, it does that for some reason
03:07<Supaplex>let me guess, comcast.
03:07<oddtod>hey guys i've installed debian on two different machines sam ram / hard drive but i've ran tests on both of them and came back clean and i'm getting kernel panic errors is there any way of figuring out what is going on?
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03:09<Cackette>ah, there we go
03:09<Cackette>now KDE is present
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03:09<Supaplex>oh? you killed off comcast? yay!
03:09<Supaplex>oh wait... nm
03:09<Cackette>what lol
03:10<Cackette>5.5mins to install kde
03:11<Supaplex>~lart comcast speedb00st
03:11[~]dpkg rm -rf's comcast speedb00st
03:11<Supaplex>woops. now it's 2h27m
03:12<Cackette>lol no
03:12<Cackette>it never picked up speedboost
03:12<Supaplex>oh come on, it'll be fun
03:12<Cackette>just max regular speed
03:13<Cackette>compared to speed boost can hit ~1.6mB/s
03:13<Supaplex>but never does. *yawn* stupid marketing.
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03:14<Cackette>actually, it tends to do it all the time
03:14<Cackette>especially on speed test sites, makes you look sexy
03:14<Cackette>but it really depends if the server can support that kinda speed
03:15<Cackette>i get it off some guy i know's server for 300MB episodes of a radio show
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03:15<twb>19:14 <Cackette> especially on speed test sites, makes you look sexy
03:15<twb>Cackette: a common, dirty trick is to put ICMP in the highest QoS bucket
03:16<Cackette>i know what QoS is, but ICMP?
03:16<dpkg>[icmp] Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass
03:16<twb>The protocol used by ping and trraceroute by default.
03:16<Supaplex>you see em' pee? how sick!
03:17<Cackette>stil no clue what you're saying
03:18<twb>Cackette: do you know what TCP is?
03:19<twb>Ah, fuck it.
03:19<twb>Cackette: just ask wikipedia
03:19<Cackette>lol i'm good
03:19<Cackette>i'm not into tricking speed test sites
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03:19<twb>Get a better ISP, then
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03:20<twb>I pay an extra $10/mo "not a retarded telco" premium.
03:20<Cackette>comcast is the fastest net i can get
03:20<twb>Fast is less important than sane, IMO.
03:20<psybin>Cackette: start a IXP with some friends, and buy an fiberlink.
03:21<twb>Of course, in .au you are quota'd, too.
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03:21<psybin>a hell a lot faster then any cabel connection
03:21<psybin>twb: hum so you pay for evry mb you download?
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03:22<twb>No, you pay for N GB/mo, and if you exceed that your connection is shaped
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03:22<twb>Or for a SOHO plan, you pay like $1/Mb for the excess.
03:22<psybin>that gotta suck big time
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03:22<cast>i did get a 100$ dialup bill in AU once
03:22<twb>You know how AT&T got broken up?
03:23<Supaplex>I like curves. curves and big bouncy [nsf content removed]. :)
03:23<twb>We're still waiting for that to happen in .au
03:23<Cackette>comcast has rights to my whole neighborhood somehow
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03:25<cyanide>Altay is a spambot too
03:25<cyanide>ah ok
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03:25<Cackette>where the heck is screen resolution inside KDE
03:25<Cackette>i cant find it lol
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03:25<twb>Cackette: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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03:26<Cackette>in the gui?
03:26<psybin>what is kcore used for ?
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03:26<psybin>hum are IRCOPS having a /kill, festival or something?
03:27<cyanide>a small botnet
03:27<twb>Stop distracting me! I'm trying to write a late-command script!
03:27<oddtod>hey guys i've installed debian on two different machines sam ram / hard drive but i've ran tests on both of them and came back clean and i'm getting kernel panic errors is there any way of figuring out what is going on?
03:27<Cackette>whats that command that will run an autodetect script for graphics
03:28<cast>psybin: represents your memory
03:28<twb>oddtod: repeating the question won't help.
03:28<psybin>cast: pleas explain?
03:28<cyanide>oddtod, check the logs?
03:28<psybin>cast: I mean more like use of it ?
03:28<twb>psybin: /proc/kcore provides DIRECT access to the memory used by the kernel
03:28<twb>psybin: users don't touch it
03:29<psybin>twb: So is a good thing to enable?
03:29<chealer>Cackette: in the control center
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03:29<cast>psybin: only ever seen it being used to retrieve passwords
03:29<Cackette>yeah, i was there chealer
03:29<twb>psybin: IMO, if you need to ask you should not be fucking with the kernel
03:29<Cackette>did i miss it?
03:29<flair>Hi I tried to do an apt-get update and I get the follow:
03:29<flair>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
03:29<flair>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
03:29<twb>psybin: why *are* you fucking with the kernel?
03:29<flair>what does that mean?
03:29<twb>psybin: you should be doing `module-assistant auto-install ipw3945-source'
03:29<cast>flair: hmm, /me looks
03:30<twb>flair: your mirror might be flaky
03:30<psybin>twb: Trying to build small kernel as passible.
03:30<twb>flair: oh, Never use that, it's badly broken
03:30<twb>flair: use
03:30<flair>i see.
03:30<twb>psybin: why
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03:30<flair>Is there a list of available mirrors on the deb site?
03:30<psybin>twb: twb waste of time?
03:30<twb>flair: yes
03:30<flair>ok thanks guys.
03:31<Cackette>where in control center, chealer?
03:31<Cackette>i've looked all over
03:31<cyanide>psybin, dont enable that unless you need it
03:31<Cackette>whats the thingy that'll do autodetect for vga card
03:31<Cackette>it doesnt show the res i want
03:31<cyanide>and since youre asking about it, i can guess that you dont need it
03:32<twb>Cackette: that's because autodetection failed!
03:32<Cackette>i had to run it last time i installed debian to get it to show 1280x1024
03:32<Cackette>dont recall what the command was though
03:32<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
03:33<twb>Where's that table mapping vga=XXX parameters to resolutions?
03:34<simonrvn>vesafb.txt IIRC
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03:35<Cackette>thank you
03:35<Cackette>oh shit, i screwed it up
03:36<Supaplex>now you done it
03:36<morii>i want to run e2fsck -c on /usr (etch). But i can not umount /usr in single user mode because of the bash and its open (mmapped) files /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules-cache and /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.
03:36<Cackette>i changed a setting from 30-70hz to 30-85hz and now its out of frequency range when i did ctrl-alt-backspace
03:36<simonrvn>!screw Cackette
03:36<Cackette>now what
03:36<twb>Cackette: you ARE silly
03:37<Cackette>i could have sworn my monitor did 85hz lol
03:37<twb>Cackette: C-M-f1, edit xorg.conf by hand like a normal person, IMO
03:37<Supaplex>twb: I thought he was wasted. ok, so silly it is.
03:37<twb>It probably does 85Hz but only at lower resolutions.
03:37<twb>Ctrl + Alt + F1
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03:38<morii>is it possible to force e2fsck -c on reboot?
03:38<Cackette>where is xorg.conf located lol
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03:38<twb>morii: yes
03:38<twb>morii: I just forget how
03:38<twb>Cackette: dpkg -S xorg.conf
03:38<twb>Cackette: dlocate xorg.conf
03:38<twb>Cackette: locate xorg.conf
03:38<twb>Cackette: --> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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03:39<morii>twb: :-)
03:39<Supaplex>or my favorite, perl -e 'print "/etc/X11/xorg.conf\n"'
03:40<Cackette>ok, now i edited that
03:40<Cackette>how do i get back to GUI
03:40<twb>Switch to vt7, probabl
03:40<twb>If that doesn't work, `sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart' or similar.
03:40<flair>press alt + F7, then do a ctrl + alt + del
03:40<Supaplex>virtual terminal 7
03:41<twb>flair: backspace!
03:41<Cackette>i saved it and everything, then it says out of frequency range
03:41<Cackette>i fixed it back to 30-70
03:41<twb>Cackette: you have to restart X
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03:41<Cackette>forgot that step
03:42<Cackette>we're good!
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03:42<twb>Grr, where is preseed_fetch documented?
03:43<Cackette>almost ready to get this hot laptop off my lap
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03:43<twb>"notebook" is vendor-speak for "burns through trousers"
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03:44<twb>I saw this Toshiba Satellite manual said "do not use on lap"
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03:44<Cackette>finally a cool lap
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03:44<twb>Lisp Assembly Program?
03:45<Cackette>no, human lap
03:45<oddtod>twb: well if new users join it will help....
03:45<Supaplex>a human is not hard to lap.
03:45[~]Supaplex runs circles around Cackette
03:45<twb>oddtod: anyone capable of answering is already here.
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03:45<twb>Supaplex: pants.... on!
03:46<Supaplex>awwww but I'm ready for bed now
03:46<Supaplex>no pants.
03:47<Cackette>ok, back
03:47<Cackette>whats the alsa command i use to make sound work
03:47<cyanide> o_O?
03:47<cyanide>that where maddox' site is hosted no?
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03:48<Supaplex>afaik yeah
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03:48<Cackette>yeah, it is
03:48<Supaplex>madprobe: any reason for that ctcp nonsense?
03:48<cyanide>did the same to me
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03:48<slaxz>and same to me
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03:49<twb>He probably did /ctcp #channel annoy
03:49<madprobe>Supaplex, i was just learning irc commands i didnt knew it would show up here
03:49<cast>beats going !ping
03:49<madprobe>sorry for that :p
03:49<cyanide>indian too
03:49<slaxz>and why pinging the whole channel? o.o
03:49[~]madprobe is sorry
03:49<Supaplex>try to annoy less people next time. like #madprobe-needs-a-playpen
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03:49<madprobe>i was leaning "ping" command
03:50<twb>Sounds like you did a lot of learning in a ten second period
03:50<Cackette>i'm getting more independent
03:50<Cackette>i figured out how to setup sound
03:50<cyanide>that wont teach you anything
03:50<cyanide> this probably will
03:50<madprobe>ping is 10th command in this
03:50<Supaplex>Cackette: was it music to your ears? ;)
03:50<Cackette>yes, LITERALLY
03:51<psybin>what is Inotify used for ?
03:51<Ganneff>madprobe: goto #test or your learning gets you some enemies
03:51<twb>Cackette: keep an eye out for the repression
03:51<madprobe>Ganneff, cool thanks
03:51<Cackette>i believe i'm back to the way i had everything setup before i screwed it all up
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03:52<Supaplex>Cackette: no, otherwise you'd be Installing Security Update for Windows XP (KB918118) (update 27 of 87)...
03:52<psybin>Cackette: echo, ping pong...
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03:54<madprobe>cyanide, how u come to know abt my region?
03:56<twb>madprobe: it's written on the label inside your underpants
03:56<Supaplex>I picked up the accent.
03:57<twb>Supaplex: you should probably turn it in to the police lost&found box
03:57<twb>Someone probably really loves that accent, poor thing
03:57<madprobe>twb, which accent?
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03:58<twb>madprobe: acute
03:58<madprobe>twb, acute?
03:58<twb>madprobe: acute.
03:58<madprobe>twb, i didnt got
03:58<Supaplex>as in
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04:01<Cackette>i.e. thats acute puppy you have there
04:01<madprobe>i don't think this is making much sense
04:02<Nemoder>then don't be so obtuse!
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04:03<Ganneff>try talkin about debian again, thx
04:03<Supaplex>then the accent has ran afowl
04:03<madprobe>Ganneff, i agree with u
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04:03<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
04:04<madprobe>Ganneff, YOU
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04:04<Cackette>ok, twb, i did apt-get install mythtv and now it is asking for the root password for MySQL and says to leave it blank unless i explicitly changed it. is doing "mysqladmin -u root password yourpasswordhere" changing the password its talking about
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04:05<Cackette>i think this is where i screwed up last time
04:05<twb>Cackette: I don't know; mysql is evil and I don't condone its use
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04:06<madprobe>twb, same label is in everybody's underpants :)
04:06<Supaplex>real men use postgresql
04:06<Supaplex>!start a dbms war
04:06<dpkg>sleepy cat db is the slowest dbms ever!
04:06<twb>Supaplex: FSVO "real" = people who care about data integrity, grumble
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04:07<Supaplex>pg has acid complaince. I think mysql only has that on transactional databases, but I don't follow mysql closely anymore.
04:08<Cackette>ok, twb, we're back to mythtv not being able to startx
04:09<twb>What does preseed_fetch take
04:09<twb>'s example seems to be lying to me
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04:11<cyanide>[madprobe] cyanide, how u come to know abt my region?
04:11<cyanide>im internet detective
04:12<cyanide>you know, like how they find neo's body in the pods in the first matrix
04:12<psybin>what is "connector unifified userpsace <-> kernelspace linker" needed for ?
04:12<psybin>anything that a normal deskstop will need?
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04:13<TheLegend>Good Morning
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04:14<vook>psybin: not really
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04:15<psybin>vook: how about userspace it self?
04:15<TheLegend>i have one problem with configuration of proftpd
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04:16<vook>psybin: I don't have it enabled
04:16<cyanide>your kernel is not going to boot
04:16<cyanide>good luck with it anyways
04:17<psybin>vook: can you pleas pastebin your kernel .conf file?
04:17<vook>psybin: if you are referring to "Userspace I/O" that is.
04:17<psybin>no knernel->user space
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04:18<TheLegend>psybin could you help me to configure protfpd to work with mysql?
04:18<twb>Is proftpd one of those highly insecure ones?
04:19<twb>harden-servers seems to think so
04:19<madprobe>cyanide, nope, i just didnt knew that whois tells ip too
04:19<twb>Of course, it also thinks vsftpd is insecure.
04:20<psybin>TheLegend: sorry have no experince with proftpd, so cant help you there.
04:21<vook>psybin: my kernel conf is customized for my system and my needs - my config may not be what you need.
04:21<psybin>vook: just wanted something to cross check and compare against,
04:22<vook>well ok
04:22<vook>why not
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04:23<Cackette>aha, twb, i got it to work after some extensive googling
04:23<Cackette>had to do "xhost +mythtv.local and it launched
04:24<dpkg>it has been said that xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su
04:24<twb>Better than xhost +, I guess.
04:24<Cackette>then "sudo -u mythtv sh -c 'DISPLAY=:0.0 mythtv-setup'"
04:24<Cackette>crazy shit
04:25<Cackette>now i just need my capture card and case in the mail
04:25<Cackette>hopefully by monday
04:25<dondelelcaro>and now anyone who is on that system can intercept anything that gets sent to the X server.
04:25<Cackette>nobody is on the system
04:26<dondelelcaro>that you know about
04:26<Cackette>i could care less what they get
04:26[~]Supaplex logs off before Cackette detects him
04:26<Cackette>its a MythTV box, big whoop
04:26<cyanide>just recently, you were talking about increasing security
04:26<Cackette>steal my tv recordings
04:26<Cackette>no i wasint
04:27<Supaplex>then you may as well be running unpatched windows
04:27[~]vook ponders where to paste
04:27<Supaplex>who cares, just let everyone use it huh?
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04:27<Supaplex>vook: when in doubt (vs here)
04:27<Cackette>thats different, i use XP for everything
04:27<Cackette>who cares what someone finds on a mythTV box
04:27<cyanide>[Cackette] if i edit Xwrapper.conf to say allowed_users=anybody, could i get owned over the net
04:27<cyanide>[Cackette] not protect me, but make me open to attacks
04:27<cyanide>[Cackette] any other quick fix ideas?
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04:28<vook>Supaplex: thx
04:28<psybin>vook: wgetpaste ?
04:28<psybin>vook: shots it right up to
04:28<twb>Supaplex: unfortunately, null passwords stopped being effective a few decades ago, when non-hackers got access to computers
04:28<vook>psybin: hmm, I'm new to the ways of pasting
04:28<Cackette>someone else said to do that, i figured it'd leave the whole system wide open
04:28<Cackette>but then i realized i didnt care
04:29<psybin>vook: apt-get install wgetpaste
04:29<psybin>vook: wgetpaste filename
04:29<Cackette>man, newegg is a bitch. i ordered my HTPC case yesterday and it wont get here until wednesday shipping from the same state as me
04:29<psybin>vook: that should be it :)
04:29<Supaplex>that's what they all say, until their isp enforces the eula
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04:30<Supaplex>!+info wgetpaste etch
04:30<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
04:30<dpkg>Package 'wgetpaste' does not exist.
04:30<twb>Supaplex: er, I expect the EFF has something to say about EULAs
04:30<twb>Unless by `eula' you mean `aup'
04:30<twb>And even then, maybe
04:30<Supaplex>uh yeah. my bad. sleep(deprived)
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04:31[~]Cackette is mountain dew powered
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04:31[~]Supaplex is dew immune
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04:33[~]twb is in a country where Mountain Dew is categorized as a toxin
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04:33<vook>psybin: - works for me
04:33<Supaplex>twb: california?
04:33<vook>psybin: it's a work in progress...
04:34<Cackette>.au = aussieland
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04:34<twb>Cackette: your perspicacity is unchanged.
04:34<Cackette>my what
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04:35<twb>Allow me to translate.
04:35<twb>Cackette: duh, d00d.
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04:38[~]vook further scrutinizes own kernel config
04:38<Cackette>so, now that i'm getting a TV tuner card, do i need some kinda thingy that brings a 1.8" to a RCA plug
04:38<Cackette>to connect the sound card to the a/v receiver
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04:40<oddtod>can a bad cd image cause kernel panic erros?
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04:40<twb>oddtod: if it wants to, sure
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04:41<twb>The easiest way to kernel panic I can think of is to supply the wrong path for root= or initrd=
04:41<oddtod>twb is that a sincere answer or sarcastic?
04:42<oddtod>hmm its just changing the hard ware and things were still doing it on fresh installs changed the cd i was using and its no longer doing it
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04:42<oddtod>Cackette you can see why i'd ask if it was sincere or not
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04:43<Cackette>check the checksum of your CD to a file on one of the mirrors?
04:43<oddtod>will right now thanks
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04:46<test>Hi, I can't get an ATI Rage 128 PF/PRO (AGP) running under Debian Etch/
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04:46<Micha>any idea, how to tackle that?
04:47<Micha>even VESA mode doesn't work :(
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04:48<twb>I don't believe you
04:48<Micha>but weirdly, the kdm does work - is it independent of
04:49<twb>Micha: pastebin the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:49<Micha>uhm, I have no X right now - any idea for command line?
04:50<chealer>Micha: it's not independent, no
04:50<chealer>!tell Micha about doesn't work
04:50<twb>chealer: technically it is
04:51<twb>But for the purposes of this discussion, kdm needs xorg
04:52<Micha>hmm, apparently /tmp lost its sticky bit
04:52<Micha>how could that happen?
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04:52<chealer>twb: depending on your definition of "technically" :)
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04:53<twb>Micha: gremlins
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04:54<Micha>I just upgraded Sarge -> Etch
04:55<Micha>f*ck /tmp permissions - that's been the reason
04:55<hachi>using policy-rc.d how can I tell if I'm being called from logrotate or a dpkg upgrade script?
04:56<vook>Micha: what kind of errors are you receiving?
04:56<twb>hachi: good question
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04:56<Micha>vook: it's fixed now with chmod 1777 /tmp
04:56<hachi>I suppose I could walk up my ppid or something
04:56<hachi>but god, this feels like over engineering
04:56<hachi>there should be an easier way
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04:57<hachi>I wish I could have a policy-rc.d that only applied to the runspace of a dpkg* call
04:58<hachi>I'm so tired of it shutting down mysql and apache while it unpacks the new package (yes, I'm sacrificing safety on purpose)
04:58<Micha>I wonder why (or the components based on it) doesn't complain loudly if /tmp isn't writable...
04:58<hachi>but using policy-rc.d breaks logrotate and other things
04:59<twb>vook: what happens is X works fine, but kdm and gdm want to put an xauth file in /tmp.
04:59<twb>vook: if they can't, they fall over and drop back to the login screen
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05:00<vook>yep - I'm a non-dm user, but I remember such problems.
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05:06<vook> is annoying me
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05:08<twb>Is it looking at you funny?
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05:08<twb>Or does it just want to liberate the oil reserves you're living above?
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05:09<vook> resolves differently than just started. I have an rss grabber that keeps freaking out.
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05:10<twb>www. is so 1990s
05:10<vook>I agree.
05:10<twb>The only things I know that still do that are weirdos with .com addresses, like banks
05:10<cyanide>well then run your own dns server and override it :P
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05:14<lupine>well, you know. the internet isn't all about the web
05:15<twb>The "web" isn't even a meaningful term
05:15<lupine>use the right URL for what you're doing
05:15<psybin>vook: thanks
05:16<vook>lupine: formerly resolved to OSI, now it resolves to "hyperreal", whatever that is...
05:16<twb>But if is backed by a number of hosts, it should forward to, IMO
05:16<vook>at least on my generic dns server
05:16<twb>vook: maybe their registration expired?
05:16<vook>that would be really sad
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05:18<twb>These things happen
05:18<twb>I heard that or whatever expired because somebody forgot to renew it
05:18<vook>nah, that makes no sense.
05:19<twb>Well, the same girl later got busted for embezzling
05:19<lupine>none, since you only buy
05:19<twb>Oh sorry,
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05:19<twb>I'm not used to .com addresses
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05:19<twb>.com mean "full of unnavigable flash and js and css"
05:20<twb>"we like to lock out disabled and ornery customers"
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05:20<lupine>everything interesting is in .org and .uk anyway
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05:22<Silensius>how can i backup a hiden system recovery partition on my ibm r52 and restore it in the future
05:22<prathibha>From which site can I get the step-by-step procedure for using simple cdd
05:23<vook>Silensius: dd
05:23<twb>Silensius: define `hidden'
05:23<vook>dd if=/dev/recoverypartition of=backupfile.dd
05:23<vook>or .iso
05:23<twb>Silensius: does it show up in /proc/partitions?
05:24<twb>How do you know it's there, then?
05:24<lupine>bios often hides them
05:24<Silensius>i know it :-)
05:25<serge>Hello! I have working system and the second one is newly installed in minimal configuration. The task is to make the second system the same as the first one. The systems can access to each other via SSH. The solution is to use rsync. I have read man rsync, but it's not very clear to me yet. Can anybody pls give me good woriking command line example how to run rsync in order to synchronize the systems?
05:25<lupine>serge: do you really want to rsync them? doesn't sound like a pqrticularly good idea to me
05:26<serge>lupine: why not? The versions of OS are the same....
05:27<twb>serge: no, that is not the solution
05:27<vook>serge: maybe set up a fuse mount - see sshfs
05:28<twb>You should start by doing ssh old debconf-get-selections | ssh new debconf-set-selections
05:29<twb>Then dump the package list: aptitude -F %p search '~i!~M'
05:29<twb>...and install those package on the new host.
05:29<twb>I'm assuming identical hardware, of course.
05:30<vook>maybe serge is just itchin to use rsync
05:30<twb>Of course another way to do it would be to just swap the HDDs over
05:31<lupine>if the hardware were identical, I'd just image the hard drive
05:31<serge>I guess it's necessary to sync /bin /etc /home /lib /root /sbin /selinux /usr /var . Won't it work? ...Swap HDD -- it's not a solution. as the first system has software RAID+LVM, but the second one just old fashion disk mapping..
05:31<lupine>if feeling brave, pipe it over the network :p
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05:32<serge>I know how to use dd... but it's unapropriate in this case...
05:33<lupine>rsync -a / ?
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05:33<vook>no - dd wastes space - copies every bit
05:33<lupine>oh noes
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05:34<lupine>and if you have sparse files, that's hardly a problem
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05:34<twb>vook: gzip will fix that
05:34<twb>Normally I'd use tar rather than dd, tho
05:35<twb>tar c / | ssh foo tar -C / x
05:35<twb>Note that if you're not root on both ends it can cause problems
05:35<serge>Well, I guess rsyncing to working system could hung it up... So, may be I could simply attach a hdd from the second system to the first one... Well, then I need not rsync I can just mount it and copy critical content from the first one...
05:35<lupine>tar has been stupid with device files to me in the past
05:35<twb>lupine: gtar?
05:35<lupine>serge: no, it won't hanng it
05:36<serge>root -- is not a problem for me :)
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05:36<lupine>binutils tar. it ?dereferenced? /dev/hda
05:37<lupine>wait, it's not in binutils
05:37<vook>serge: you could boot the new system to a live cd, mount the old system root via sshfs(fuse) and then set up a nice tar command.
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05:37<twb>My point was that you weren't using wacky vendor tar
05:37<lupine>ah, no. gnu tar
05:37<serge>Well, guys, thanks for ideas. Let me attach a HDD and just copy... :)
05:38<serge>vook: what is sshfs ?
05:38<lupine>awesome, in a word
05:38<vook>serge: it enables you to mount a remote filesystem via a ssh tunnel
05:38<lupine>completely client-side \o/
05:39<serge>vook: sounds interesting, let me see....
05:39<twb>vook: that's not strictly accurate
05:40<twb>Mounting a remote filesystem is what nbd does
05:40<vook>na - just rounding it up a bit
05:40<twb>sshfs is simply a network filesystem, like NFS
05:40<twb>For example, I doubt sshfs supports xattrs
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05:45<Hideo_Kuze>why not use scp
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05:53<twb>Hideo_Kuze: what a silly suggestion
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05:54<Hideo_Kuze>:( I found it to be more reliable than sshfs
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05:54<Hideo_Kuze>sshfs tend to crash when too much is going through the pipe
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05:55<twb>scp will no more preserve metadata than sshfs will
05:55<Hideo_Kuze>oh, must have missed that part
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05:56<cyanide>can i use the netinst iso to boot using a memory stick?
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05:57<twb>The bootstrap firmware obviously needs to support booting from that device, too
05:57<cyanide>i cannot find the boot.img.gz file in it which i have to extract on the memory stick
05:57<Hideo_Kuze>I installed debian on my laptop which has no cd drive with an mp3 player :P
05:57<cyanide>im doing something similar, my cd has gone bad and i cba to go out and get another one
05:57<twb>Hideo_Kuze: that's (probably) a USB mass storage device, not a memory stick
05:58<cyanide>im using my psp so it will be detected as a mass storage device, no worries
05:58<twb>I personally find it MUCH less hassle to set up network installs
05:58<twb>cyanide: that's not a memory stick!
05:58<twb>Oh, wrong person.
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05:58<cyanide>i just need the boot.img.gz file, any pointers where i could find it
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06:02<cyanide>ah, much appreciated
06:02<Hideo_Kuze>twb: just a few weeks ago I installed debian on my bro's laptop using a 4gig usb memory stick too
06:02<Hideo_Kuze>twb: happy now?
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06:04<twb>"Memory sticks" aren't USB
06:04<cyanide>ugh, wrong word, yea. memory stick is sony technology
06:04<twb>It's an interface that only Sony bothered to implement, like betamax
06:04<cyanide>but both me and him mean a usb stick
06:04<metalqga>memory stink
06:05<twb> has my notes on doing full network installs
06:05<twb>...which isn't the same as the netinst CD.
06:05<twb>Now I'm goin' home
06:05<vook>like blu-ray?
06:05<Hideo_Kuze>lol where I'm from memory sticks are synonymous with usb sticks
06:05<metalqga>then sony likes you
06:06<vook>I like blu-ray - if it were open.
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06:07<metalqga>i'm still in the 4gb dvd age
06:07<vook>I too
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06:07<vook>a blu-ray can hold up to 200gb
06:08<metalqga>i'd like to see a chip doing that
06:08<Hideo_Kuze>I hope we'll move past mechanical/moving parts storage devices soon
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06:08<metalqga>me too
06:08<padski>funny, I just installed linux on the shniy new ps3 this morning :-)
06:08<metalqga>i have an idea to move my / in a flash drive
06:08<cyanide>has anyone managed to stream music to their psp from linux?
06:08<metalqga>something small, maybe 4gb
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06:09<Hideo_Kuze>metalqga: how many r/w cycles can a flash drive take
06:09<Hideo_Kuze>it'll certain uses less power that's for sure
06:10<Hideo_Kuze>but I wonder how reliable it'll be
06:10<cyanide>enough to last a few years in a normal home desktop env
06:10<metalqga>how many times does debian writes sth somewhere else than temp and the swap partition?
06:10<cyanide>use the noatime flag too
06:11<Hideo_Kuze>change the swappiness too
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06:11<metalqga>actually my swap partition is feeling outcast, because it's always empty
06:11<cyanide>but even with different solidstate cards these days, there are so many fakes. hope that doesnt happen in the future, though itll probably increase
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06:12<metalqga>lol the chinese fabs are not sleeping
06:12<metalqga>I've heard that they even copy the latest m2 cards
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08:05<madprobe>hey someone please tell me on which server and channel i can meet most teens :)
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08:05<madprobe>i used to go to #teens long ago but i forgot the server
08:05<Ganneff>you are wrong here.
08:06<kaner>>> fortunes
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08:08<madprobe>i meant network(not server) and channel
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08:15<icks>didn't work
08:16<madprobe2>i was forced to keep quite
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08:16<lrp>any software in debian to manage switch and routers ?
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08:16<Hideo_Kuze>madprobe: and you couldn't take the hint
08:17<lrp>like network instector
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08:17<madprobe2>i think i lost my nick :(
08:18<lrp>any indeas about it ?
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08:20<computerbob>Does anyone here use "update-notifier" and "update-manager" in KDE? If I manually open update manager, it tells me that there are 23 updates, but I don't get any update notifier icon on my desktop, even after restarting.
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08:27<computerbob>Does anyone here use "update-notifier" and "update-manager" in KDE? If I manually open update manager, it tells me that there are 23 updates, but I don't get any update notifier icon on my desktop, even after restarting.
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08:28<@Ganneff>computerbob: do *not* repeat yourself, thanks.
08:28<computerbob>I waited several minutes before "repeating myself" but I couldn't tell if anyone even "heard me" since no one is saying anything. Sorry.
08:29<meandtheshell>computerbob: well, that's IRC ... just be patient
08:29<computerbob>ah, OK. Thanks!
08:29<Hideo_Kuze>computerbob: usually you should wait until your last sentence is off the page first
08:30<meandtheshell>didn't know all IRC clients show the same number of lines :)
08:30<computerbob>Even if there's several minutes where no one posts anything at all?
08:30<Hideo_Kuze>meandtheshell: well, somewhat off the page, you get the idea ;)
08:31<Hideo_Kuze>computerbob: yeah, maybe the people alert don't know about that issue
08:31<computerbob>Ok. This is only my 2nd time here, so I'm "learning the ropes." Thanks!
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08:32<Hideo_Kuze>no worries
08:32<meandtheshell>computerbob: let me put it like that ... depending on the channel etc. it might take hours if not days before you get help ... as I said, that's IRC
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08:32<meandtheshell>computerbob: I am not sure but isn't there a dedicated KDE channel?
08:33<computerbob>meandtheshell: Hours? Days? I thought that people had to "be here" in order to see my question! ???
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08:33<Hideo_Kuze>computerbob: they're usually idle
08:34<computerbob>So "idle" means that they're "here" but they're not reading what's being said yet?
08:34<meandtheshell>well, I am here almost 24/7 but I don't follow the dialogs in here all the time ... same goes for ~99% of all other folks so ...
08:34<meandtheshell>computerbob: exactly
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08:34<Hideo_Kuze>besides, I don't use KDE so I've no clue what you just asked, maybe like meandtheshell it's better to ask in a KDE channel
08:35<meandtheshell>computerbob: I am a GNOME guy so I can't help you ... as I said, you might try #kde and get lucky ...
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08:35<computerbob>So if I leave and come back later, how would I find out if someone has replied to me? Or does everyone just leave their IRC client "on" all the time?
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08:35<meandtheshell>right - don't leave - just join #kde as wll
08:35<Hideo_Kuze>computerbob: you would have to leave your client on too, in order to scroll back and see if anyone replied
08:36<computerbob>Ah, excellent! Thanks! I'll try #kde now!
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08:38<computerbob>I tried #kde, but it told me:
08:38<computerbob>-ChanServ- Deopped you on channel #kde because it is registered with channel services
08:38<computerbob>-ChanServ- and you are not a CHANOP on its access list.
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08:39<computerbob>Mode for channel #kde is "+nt"
08:39<computerbob>Should I type #kde +nt ?
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08:40<meandtheshell>computerbob: well, you're not an a channel operator but you tried to enter as one so ... *peng*
08:41<meandtheshell>What IRC client are you using?
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08:41<meandtheshell>in case you're with pidgin then all you have to do is search for the room list and then pick #kde
08:41<computerbob>I'm using KSirc in Debian Etch.
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08:42<meandtheshell>ok - no idea - I know ERC and pidgin but not that thingy ... however, just configure your client and you'll be able to enter #kde
08:43<meandtheshell>ha! wait ... what server did you try? ... yes?
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08:43<meandtheshell>i.e. #kde is not on the same server as #debian
08:44<computerbob>meandtheshell: Aha! No wonder! I'll try as you mentioned above. ;)
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08:44<meandtheshell>;-] ... yep that will work
08:46<computerbob>It sure did! Thanks again!
08:46<meandtheshell>no problem - you are welcome
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08:52<Skre>ciao a tutti!!!
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08:57<Hideo_Kuze>hi gurpreet
08:57<Hideo_Kuze>oh it's you madprobe
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08:57<gurpreet>Hideo_Kuze, how do u know? i changed it completly
08:58<computerbob>Probably recognized your voice. lol
08:59<gurpreet>but i just said 'Hi' and made a smiley
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09:02<knewt>gurpreet: you've got the same userid, and are on the same /16. those are probably what gave it away
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09:02<gurpreet>knewt, yes, Hideo_Kuze just explained me that.
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09:14<Hideo_Kuze>hi there
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09:17<fede>hi I'm a debian newbie.... someone want to give me a tips about the ISO debian
09:18<Hideo_Kuze>you mean you want the iso for the debian cd?
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09:19<crazyb0y>i need help about vmware, anyone?
09:20<JasonS>fede: what about it?
09:20<gsimmons>!vmware support
09:20<dpkg>i heard vmware support is not offered here; go to <> or join #vmware on
09:20<crazyb0y>thank you very much
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09:24<twb>Having used vmware for the past six months, I can postively state that it is eeeevil
09:24<JasonS>fede: dont msg me please, if you have a question ask it in the channel
09:25<fede>ok sory
09:25<donfede>je je , there's another fede here :-D
09:25<donfede>fede: saludos
09:25<twb>virt-manager is a GUI wrapper for xen/kvm/qemu that does a lot of the same hand-holding vmware does, and it entered Sid recently. It's still pretty flaky, IMO.
09:25<twb>Oh, he's gone.
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09:26<fede>sos argento donFede vos? te molestaria darle unos consejos a un newbie?
09:26<j_>hi! does so know how to disconnetc someone's session form mine?
09:26<j_>i'm root
09:27<donfede>fede: soy de españa, pero vivo en eeuu de momento. what's your question?
09:27<witte>j_: you mean you want to log someone of who is on your system? have a look at the slay package
09:27<fede>pero en espaniol si puede ser
09:27<noflash>donfede, english in here
09:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:28<donfede>noflash: ;) so where's the "forner" channel?
09:28<witte>j_: you could also just kill his programs one by one
09:28<noflash>donfede, JasonS just told ya ;)
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09:28[~]donfede 'Merica F Ya!
09:28<j_>no, i want to kill the session!
09:28<witte>j_: what session?
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09:29<donfede>fede: i'll see you in #debian-es
09:29<witte>j_: someone is logged in graphically or what?
09:29<j_>there is a session user on my computer and my root session
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09:29<j_>from my root session, i want to log off the user who has just switched his session to mine!
09:29<j_>yes, the user is graphically logged
09:30<j_>i don't think the slay package would help, i looked at the description
09:30<witte>j_: are you logged in graphically at this moment?
09:30<j_>(sorry for my bad english but i'll find more help here than on the debian-fr chan)
09:30<j_>yes, root is logged graphically
09:30<stew>j_: why not the slay package?
09:31<j_>cause it just kills the process*
09:31<witte>j_: otherwise you can try /etc/init.d/{g,k,x,w}dm restart
09:31<stew>j_: which is what you want to do
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09:31<witte>j_: slay kills *all* the processes (also session,....)
09:31<j_>ok, but it wont kill mine?
09:31<witte>j_: nope
09:31<j_>root's processes?
09:31<stew>j_: "/etc/init.d/?dm stop" would stop the x server if he logged into it graphically
09:31<j_>ok, i'm going to try and give news
09:32<j_>installing slay...
09:33<stew>if you run slay as root to kill processes owned by root, it would kill your root processes too
09:33<j_>i'm graphically logged as root, what command can i use to destroy user's processes?
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09:34<witte>j_: slay <username>
09:34<stew>j_: if he logged into a graphical login, stop the display manager. if he logged into a tty, kill all the processes on that tty
09:34<j_>slay: Sending -KILL signal to user's process(es)...
09:34<j_>slay: Done.
09:35<j_>this works, i checked
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09:35<witte>j_: type "w" to see if it worked
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09:35<j_>i really thank witte and stew
09:35<j_>yes, it's ok
09:36<j_>grettings to you
09:36<witte>j_: btw: if someone else logged in to your system (and to your user), you have a serious problem concerning security
09:36<j_>(don't know if we can say this in english)
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09:37<j_>i explain the problem, my sister user the user session that i created for her but always forget to close it, download too much and use ressources
09:37<witte>j_: give her a user account
09:37<j_>moreover, there are problems with my sound card when two users are logged in the same time
09:37<j_>it's a user account!
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09:38<j_>so i just kill all her processes and enjoy
09:38<witte>j_: :-)
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09:43<j_>witte : do u know what this mean?
09:43<j_>Error: "/tmp/kde-j" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
09:43<j_>it's a chmod prb, right?
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09:44<witte>j_: that means you are trying to access a session of kde as root
09:44<j_>i destroyer my installation playing whith chmod
09:44<witte>j_: you should never log in graphically as root
09:44<j_>but i just runned the prg with my user account
09:44<j_>graphycally with the j session
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09:44<j_>- j is in the sudoer file -
09:45<witte>j_: ah, ok, if you do sudo <kde_program>, you will execute the program as root
09:46<j_>i'm on gnome, just trying to launch the knights chess game
09:46<j_>it worked this morning
09:46<witte>j_: so you are uid 1000, and root has uid 0, the error is that root wants to write to that directory/file, while it is owned by user 1000
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09:46<witte>j_: not as sudo? just opening it in gnome?
09:47<j_>i cannot open it graphically
09:47<witte>j_: can you do "ls -l /tmp/kde-j"
09:48<j_>i don't think it's ok
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09:48<j_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2007-12-28 15:43 ksycoca -> /var/tmp/kdecache-j/ksycoca
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09:48<j_>the permissions are strange, aren't they?
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09:48<witte>j_: is that the output of the command I gave?
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09:49<j_>it is
09:49<witte>j_: you probably did somehting sudo kde-prog so that the permissions were overwritten
09:50<j_>what can i do to repair it,?
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09:50<j_>if i restart?
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09:50<witte>j_: probably that is not needed
09:51<witte>j_: can you start the program from command line?
09:51<j_>i already did it in sudo, it works but not good
09:51<witte>j_: why in sudo?
09:52<j_>just to try
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09:52<witte>j_: and as normal user?
09:53<j_>it gives the error i gave you first
09:53<j_>Error: "/tmp/kde-j" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
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09:55<witte>j_: you are not logged in as root at this moment?
09:56<j_>but i'm in the sudoers file
09:56<witte>j_: then i do not know why knights wants to access the file as root
09:56<witte>j_: that should not be related
09:56<j_>i already uninstalled it
09:57<witte>j_: if you start knights as user, there should be no complaints of /tmp/kde-j is owned by ...
09:57<j_>so my /tmp/kde-j should be owned by me and not by tooy?
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10:01<witte>j_: that is what the error was about
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10:02<j_>so to appropriate this folder what chmod should i use?
10:02<witte>j_: i would say remove it
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10:02<witte>j_: that will probably cause no problems
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10:03<witte>j_: and the program can set whatever it wants
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10:03<witte>j_: but still the error is strange
10:03<j_>i come back
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10:08<eliteforce>hey, i tried to install lenny yesterday and everything seemed to be fine at installation, but when i try to boot it just doesn't do anything after some kernel lines about usb devices
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10:10<j_>same prb guy
10:10<eliteforce>and after a while it starts busybox hehe
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10:10<j_>it start knights all right but no theme
10:10<j_>there is no images, no menu
10:10<j_>do U want a print?
10:11<j_>if U think you can do smthg for me witte
10:11<eliteforce>if i boot "quiet" all i see is loading kernel..
10:11<witte>j_: i really have no idea
10:12<gurpreet>eliteforce, what does it say exactly?
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10:13<eliteforce>gurpreet: nothing which looks like an error, i'd have to restart and check for a more detailed answer :P
10:13<gurpreet>eliteforce, u can go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and remote quite option from the kernel line to see all messages
10:13<j_>witte, i'm on gnome but it's a kde prg, there isn't any kde packet i can reinstall?
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10:13<witte>j_: normally that should not be needed
10:14<eliteforce>gurpreet: yeah thats what i did, the kernel loads and stops after some output about usb devices/bus
10:14<eliteforce>gurpreet: but it looks totally normal
10:14<gurpreet>eliteforce, what do u mean by kernel stop? does it show some message that it is stopped?
10:14<j_>witte, i got this error too
10:14<j_>knights: WARNING: audio::audio: Can not create Arts::SoundServerV2
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10:15<eliteforce>gurpreet: no, there is no hdd activity or message
10:15<j_>that's why i got no images when the prog is running?
10:15<gurpreet>eliteforce, which is the line just b4 it stops?
10:15<witte>j_: no, that is a sound error
10:15<icks>hay anyone experienced problems when deleting files from an iPod device with rythmbox? the files are deleted, but the space is not freed
10:15<j_>icks, i got the same
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10:15<j_>it's a known bug
10:15<eliteforce>gurpreet: just a moment, i'll reboot and write it down
10:15<gurpreet>:) ok
10:15<gurpreet>eliteforce, wai
10:15<j_>you can't do anything against this instead of using an onther prg
10:16<icks>j_: oh, it didn't come up when i googled for it
10:16<j_>user amarok, you'll see it's ten time better
10:16<gurpreet>eliteforce, how did u boot ur system then?
10:16<icks>i thougth i'd stick to gnome as it was default ;)
10:17<j_>i soory i'm french, don't understand very well, but just install amarok, i had the same prb and i searched for a long time, no other way to do
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10:18<gurpreet>can't amarok be installed on gnome?
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10:19<icks>gurpreet: yes, it can, but it needs all those kde libs
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10:19<j_>amarok can be installed on gnome whithout specific libraries
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10:19<gurpreet>icks, then u can use amarok while using gnome
10:19<j_>i run it
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10:19<icks>gurpreet: yes, i will ;)
10:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:19<kon_>hi, i saw that my debian installation has no /dev/tcp but i need this for bash net redirection. can anybody point me in the right direction? is this a kernel specific option or how do i get /dev/tcp in my udev?
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10:20<kon_>and just out of interest: why has the debian bash version net redirection disabled by default?
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10:20<eliteforce>grummund: "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem...", usb 1-2 or 2-1 devices .. blabla usb-hid-core blabla .. nothing more
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10:21<witte>eliteforce: it does not find your root disk
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10:21<witte>eliteforce: your grub is not correctly configured
10:21<gurpreet>eliteforce, if kernel stops after this line how come you are logged in?
10:22<eliteforce>i'm not logged in nor did the system boot properly.
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10:22<gurpreet>witte, but kernel won't go to usb device in this case
10:22<eliteforce>there seems to be a hda / sda confusion x]
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10:23<gurpreet>eliteforce, what is ur hard disk scheme? and please paste ur menu.lst. may be i be able to make something
10:23<witte>eliteforce: not necessarily
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10:23<witte>gurpreet: it does not look for usb disks, it configures the usb which is in the initial boot thingy (initrd?)
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10:24<witte>gurpreet: you can play a bit in grub (e for edit) and try to change the /dev/hda to /dev/sda and things like that
10:24<gurpreet>witte, may be, can't say
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10:25<gurpreet>eliteforce, read the msg from witte to me :)
10:25<eliteforce>I'll try changing the menu.lst and/or fstab, bbs
10:25<witte>gurpreet: sorry
10:25<gurpreet>witte, np
10:25<witte>eliteforce: fstab you should not change
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10:25<witte>eliteforce: probably, but that at least wont lead to this error
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10:26<Gryfelhase>hm.... soemthing strange happens.... I'm using cfdisk to partion my external disk....
10:26<Gryfelhase>using 3 primary partitions
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10:27<Gryfelhase>and it names it sdb1 sdb3 and sdb4....
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10:29<kon_>anybody know where /dev/tcp comes from?
10:29<icks>so i have to start dcopserver manually / insert it to my session information manually?
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10:31<icks>ah, strange permissions
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10:35<icks>erm... do i have to do some black magic to get amarok running with my ipod?
10:35<orsettottanta>i need help to make software raid0 on debian installation
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10:37<orsettottanta>can help me?
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10:40<gsimmons>!tell orsettottanta -about software raid
10:41<orsettottanta>i just installing etch
10:41<orsettottanta>and i would like to install on a raid
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10:42<orsettottanta>i don't know what partition table i must use
10:42<tim|imac>hi all, which channel is best for asking questions about preseeded installation?
10:43<orsettottanta>how much partition i must make
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10:43<orsettottanta>what dimension?
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10:44<eliteforce>witte / gurpreet: both the menu.lst and fstab were wrong: hda's instead of sda's.
10:44<orsettottanta>is there a complete guide step to step
10:44<gsimmons>orsettottanta: Have you read section of the Installation Guide?
10:44<eliteforce>and the lat0 font or charmap cannot be loaded
10:44<gurpreet>eliteforce, may be u changed ur devices after installation. during installation debian writes menu.lst and fstab itself
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10:45<gsimmons>orsettottanta: Please do that first. Should cover all of the questions you've raised in here.
10:45<icks>ok.. how do i repair an ipod filesystem after rhythmbox as messed it up?
10:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
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10:45<twb>icks: AFAIK, the only way is to boot OS X
10:46<tim|imac>thx edthefox
10:46<twb>Or maybe Windows if you have an intel system...
10:46<icks>k, thanks... i'll give it a try
10:46<twb>icks: I assume you're talking about HFS+ filesystem corruption
10:46<edthefox>tim|imac: you're welcome
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10:47<witte>tim|imac: #debian-boot?
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10:47<icks>twb: no, it's vfat, and something seems to be wrong with the media database on the ipod
10:47<tim|imac>thx even more, witte :)
10:47<twb>icks: oh, that's different
10:47<eliteforce>gurpreet: yes, but it writes an 'h' instead of an 's' :P
10:47<twb>icks: just rebuild the database using gnupod-tools
10:48<icks>ah, thanks :)
10:48<witte>eliteforce: it has somethign to do with libata, but i do not know exactly what it is
10:48<orsettottanta>the guide use shell and i have a [!!] partition disk
10:48<witte>tim|imac: i experienced an serious delay on irc, don't know if anyone else already answered the question
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10:49<gurpreet>eliteforce, mine is also sda, debian set up everything fine on installation. so i am wondering what happened in ur case
10:50<delbyblue>May i ask something or this is not the right place?
10:50<JasonS>delbyblue: depends
10:50<witte>delbyblue: depends on what you ask :-)
10:50<gurpreet>delbyblue, take care dude
10:50<gurpreet>delbyblue, i asked something i was banned
10:51<delbyblue>Something that i have read in the debian-policy manual for developers
10:51<witte>delbyblue: if it is debian related you can probably just ask it here, so shoot
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10:52<delbyblue>I don't understand what this line means:
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10:52<delbyblue>Also, if the script name ends in .sh, the script will be sourced in runlevel S rather than being run in a forked subprocess, but will be explicitly run by sh in all other runlevels.
10:52<delbyblue>Anybody can help?
10:52<twb>delbyblue: well, let's examine subclauses first.
10:53<twb>delbyblue: do you understand what a runlevel is?
10:53<twb>Do you understand what runlevel S is?
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10:53<delbyblue>I think it's the system one
10:54<twb>runlevel S runs at startup, before the requested runlevel (e.g. 2) is run.
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10:54<twb>Do you know what `sourcing' means in the context of sh scripts?
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10:55<twb>Suppose I have a file "" which contains "x=2; echo $x". I can run this as a stand-alone script "sh ./", and it will print 2.
10:56<twb>I can also load it as a library into the current shell ". ./"
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10:56<twb>That would also print 2, but thereafter $x would be 2 in the current shell.
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10:57<twb>Sourcing scripts is faster, because it doesn't have to create an extra process. It's also more dangerous, because values and functions defined in the library will overwrite any existing ones in the current shell with the same name, and will stick around afterwards.
10:57<eliteforce>gurpreet: maybe the kernel/libata on the installation disc is older and detects it as hda
10:58<twb>If you are writing start scripts for your package, the rule of thumb would be *don't* use .sh unless you're sure you want it.
10:58<gurpreet>which debian version do u have?
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10:58<delbyblue>Ok, but which shell a init.d script will use?
10:59<twb>eliteforce: that's conceivable. You could sidestep a "Am I hda/sda?" issue by referring to filesystem by UUID
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10:59<delbyblue>The initd one
10:59<twb>delbyblue: it will use the Unix shell, sh.
10:59<twb>Typically on Debian this is a symlink to either bash or dash.
10:59<delbyblue>Ok, but which instance and usinf which user?
10:59<delbyblue>I mean at startup.
10:59<twb>Presumably the sh process would be owned by root.
10:59<gurpreet>eliteforce, which debian version? it must be older one
11:00<gurpreet>eliteforce, coz my etch detected everything fine, it must be older
11:00<twb>gurpreet: or you simply have different hardware
11:01<delbyblue>So, if i use a .sh script i'll make it sourced in what shell environment? Why should i need that?
11:01<twb>delbyblue: for speed
11:01<gurpreet>twb, but if debian detects one sda, it should detect other sda too, isnt sda same everywhere?
11:01<twb>I suppose you could also exploit it to be clever
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11:02<twb>delbyblue: if you are familiar with dynamically scoped bindings, the issues are the same
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11:02<kon_>hi, i saw that my debian installation has no /dev/tcp but i need this for bash net redirection. can anybody point me in the right direction? is this a kernel specific option or how do i get /dev/tcp in my udev?
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11:02<twb>Increase speed and flexibility, but much greater code complexity.
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11:02<cjmrdc>someone want to point me in the direction of a readme or what have you where i can download patches to one of my debian machines and have the others on my LAN patch from it?
11:03<twb>kon_: are you sure you don't mean /proc/net/tcp?
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11:03<twb>cjmrdc: you probably want a partial debian mirror or caching proxy, see approx/apt-cacher-ng/apt-cacher/apt-proxy
11:04<delbyblue>Thanks for help twb, that's all i need to work. You guys are great!
11:04<cjmrdc>thanks :)
11:04<kon_>twb, i need to use the bash net redirection, which uses /dev/tcp
11:04<gurpreet>twb, i also learned something. thanks
11:04<kon_>so i can use /dev/tcp/host/port for net I/O within bash
11:04<kon_>without using netcat, hose or stuff like that
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11:05<twb>Dunno, sorry.
11:05<knewt>kon_: "If you have bash version 2.04+ compiled with --enable-net-redirections (it isn't compiled this way in Debian and derivatives), you can use bash itself."
11:05<kon_>yes knewt!
11:05<kon_>that's what i need
11:06<knewt>it is, i believe, not something that actually exists in /dev, but is something virtual that bash invents itself
11:06<kon_>i have downloaded bash 3.2 and patched it to 3.2.33 and compiled it with net redirection
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11:06<cisko>i have a process taking all the CPU
11:06<kon_>but there is no /dev/tcp
11:06<cisko>its stuck
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11:06<kon_>i don't get it... and i can't find documentation
11:07<kon_>docs only about how to use it, but not how to set it up
11:07<cisko>/usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
11:07<cisko>whats that??
11:07<cisko>its using CPU 100% 24/7
11:07<cisko>its stuck in a infinite loop
11:07<kon_>it's your X server
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11:07<cisko>why is it like that?
11:08<kon_>because it is computing something :D
11:08<kon_>i don't know!
11:08<kon_>you can have a look what it does
11:08<cisko>well tell me how to figure that out then!
11:08<kon_>strace -p`pgrep X`
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11:08<cisko>lets do that
11:08<knewt>kon_: from the bash manual: "Bash handles several filenames specially when they are used in redirections, as described in the following table: * /dev/tcp/host/port -- If host is a valid hostname or Internet address, and port is an integer port number or service name, Bash attempts to open a TCP connection to the corresponding socket. "
11:08<cjmrdc>it's probably engaged in a game of global thermonuclear warfare
11:09<kon_>knewt, i saw this, but something is missing here
11:09<knewt>ie, they're completely virtual, they don't exist in the file system. you just use them within bash and, if it was enabled, it "works"
11:09<knewt>appropriate manual page:
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11:10<kon_>damned, this is weird...
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11:10<kon_>is there a way to see the capabilities of the current running bash?
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11:39<knewt>kon_: ok, seems to work fine here. only outbound, can't do listening, but other than that no problems i can see
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11:43<cisko>kon_: so yea
11:44<cisko>pretty much froze the desktop
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11:55<cisko>how do i kill x?
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11:58<sooperkuh>cisko: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
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11:58<cisko>sooperkuh: dude its completely frozen
11:58<cisko>i can only access the machine trought SSH
11:58<cisko>the GUI froze up
11:59<sooperkuh>then grep for the Xorg process in ps aux and kill it
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11:59<cisko>sooperkuh: no such process
11:59<sooperkuh>Hm ... it's called X
11:59<koollman>or Xorg
11:59<cisko>ps aux | grep Xorg
11:59<cisko>that was none
12:00<sooperkuh>and X by itself
12:00<koollman>oh ... right, even on my box, it's 'X'
12:00<cisko>root 20930 11.3 13.0 143916 135704 tty7 TLs+ Dec27 190:58 /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
12:00<cisko>this what it found
12:00<koollman>yep, kill that one
12:00<cisko>im gonna use -9
12:00<sooperkuh>that's fine
12:00<koollman>you could try to kill xinit, too
12:00<cisko>it doesn't even die with -9
12:01<knewt>bear in mind that you won't necessarily get interactive access back on the machine itself
12:01<cisko>kill -9 20930
12:01<cisko>nothing its still there
12:01<sooperkuh>ciscko: maybe it dies but it has already fucked up the keyboard
12:01<sooperkuh>or the graphics card
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12:01<cisko>so restart the only way?
12:01<knewt>sooperkuh: if it's still in the ps list it hasn't died. but yeah, killing it (esp with a -9) can leave the keyboard in raw mode
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12:02<sooperkuh>knewt: you're right of course
12:02<cisko>how stupid is this :(
12:02<koollman>cisko: echo r > /proc/sysrq-trigger
12:02<cisko>i have to reboot the machine cause of this
12:02<cisko>koollman: what now? :P
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12:03<cisko>something supposed to happen?
12:03<savio_r>Hi, how can I clean printing heads of an
12:03<knewt>hmm. "TLs+" -- that indicates that the process is "Stopped, either by a job control signal or because it is being traced"
12:04<savio_r> Hi, how can I clean printing heads of an Epson C63? Error: lpr: Erro - nenhum destino padrão disponível.
12:04<knewt>if it actually is stopped, not being tracedm then kill -CONT can possibly help with that. after rebooting it's too late of course :)
12:04<avtobiff>is this licence DFSG?
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12:05<avtobiff>it is bsd-style right?!
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12:06<pope>hi, for a core 2 processor should i choose ia64 or amd64? or should i386 be prefered anyways (2gb dualchanneled(4gb) )?
12:06<avtobiff>depends on your area of use for the machine
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12:06<cisko>dual core!
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12:06<pope>usual desktop
12:06<avtobiff>i386 probably.
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12:07<avtobiff>no flash player and other stuff (like some binary drivers maybe) doesn't exist for 64-bit
12:08<pope>yeah that was my suspicion
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12:08<cisko>man, im just gonna restart again
12:08<cisko>this happends way too often :(
12:08<avtobiff>and you dont use the 64-bit stuff anyways under desktop use
12:08<cisko>the X hits 100% cpu
12:08<cisko>its like windows Xp :-D
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12:09<pope>but if i'd like to use 64bit should i use ia64 or amd64?
12:09<tim|imac>amd64 usually
12:10<pope>with a core2?
12:10<knewt>umm, ia64 is itanium, something completely different
12:10<avtobiff>pope, yes
12:10<avtobiff>what knewt said
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12:11<pope>okay thank you
12:11<avtobiff>amd54 is the et64 or what intel calls it right?
12:11<pope>emt64 i think?
12:11<dpkg>hmm... amd64 is See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
12:12<knewt>amd64/intel64/ia-32e/em64t/x86-64/x64 are all the same thing
12:12<pope>i think they licenced it against sse3 for amd
12:12<avtobiff>aaah em64t i was thinking of that one
12:12<knewt>the amd64 name comes about because amd was the first to extend x86 into 64bits
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12:13<Caelum>they came up with the instruction set
12:14<pope>ok so i think i'll stick with the x86 distribution
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12:14<knewt>with intel, at the time, saying "now why on earth would you want to do thst
12:14<Caelum>pope: debian for amd-64 is awesome
12:14<knewt>with intel, at the time, saying "now why on earth would you want to do that. it'll never take off" ;)
12:14<Caelum>pope: it works like a dream
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12:14<pope>Caelum: in a good or bad sense?
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12:14<pope>ah a good
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12:15<Caelum>pope: the only major issue people were having were with flash, but that's solved by nspluginwrapper
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12:16<sooperkuh>Caelum: what about Skype?
12:16<Supaplex>i'd check bts re nspluginwrapper
12:16<Caelum>sooperkuh: no idea, but if it's just a 32 bit binary it'll work fine
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12:18<Caelum>Supaplex: *shrug* it works for me...
12:18<knewt>if you're putting 4 gigs in like you said, i'd say definiteyl worth moving to 64bit arch
12:18<Supaplex>I'm not using it, however I think there were some recent issues on it. that's all.
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12:19<pope>with amd64 say a i686 compiled binary works natively?
12:20<Caelum>pope: yes, with the ia32-libs package
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12:23<pope>ok then things are clear now ... just sounds strange - buy the new cutting edge intel technology with core 2 quad and use the amd64 distribution ... great stuff :P
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12:26<pope>btw. the 4 core should lead me to choosing an smp kernel right?
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12:27<Caelum>of course
12:29<knewt>unless you really want to use only 1/4 of the processor *g*
12:30<pope>yeah green computing - choose the bicycle! =)
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12:31<gurpreet>i've a lil' problem. k3b works fine when i'm logged in as root. but when i am logged in as normal user then it tells me that it is unable to fine my DVD writer, when i run it using sudo, it tells me that growisofs is not installed (which is installed). someone please tell me what can be the reason for this
12:31<kop>I want to make a user for the openvpn daemon to run as. Is there some way to pick a uid/gid that won't conflict with other Debian deamons?
12:32<kop>gurpreet: You're not in the dvd (or whatever) group as a regular user.
12:33<kop>pope : SMP kernels are now automatically chosen if you've an smp box. IIRC.
12:33<witte>gurpreet: you need to be added to the cdrom group
12:34<gurpreet>kop, witte got it. thanks
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12:37<gurpreet>kop, witte i've added user to cdrom group, but still k3b is unable to find the device. do i have to log off and then log in again?
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12:40<witte>gurpreet: and? does it work, you should indeed log in again to make it work (when you issue "id" it should list the group)
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12:42<gurpreet>witte, sorry for late reply, yes it worked. writing dvd currently. growisofs is also detected
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12:43<gurpreet>witte, kop thanks :)
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12:43<kon_>kop, i don't know any specific program to do that but you can get the next free uid with a bash one liner
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12:45<koollman>kop: any uid greater than 1000 is available for 'users' or whatever you want
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12:47<koollman>kop: but I am not sure to know what you want to do with that uid .... just use 'useradd your_user', and it correct
12:47<kop>kon_, koollman : Debian's adduser does things automagically, but it'd be nice to have all the gids/uids be the same on all my boxes (and everybody else's too). I wonder if there's a master list of daemon gids/uids anywhere?
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12:48<koollman>kop: they are not fixed
12:48<kop>Why am I thinking that there's something in /var/log/ for each user's login/logout (via pam), but I can't find anything bug wtmp?
12:48<koollman>they are usually 'next available uid when the daemon was installed'
12:48<kop>koollman : Ah well.
12:49<fxiny>kop: /var/log/daemon.log
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12:50<kon_>kop, update-passwd provides a --passwd-master=file option, defaults to /usr/share/base-passwd/{passwd,group}.master
12:50<fxiny>kop: sorry : auth.log
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12:53<kop>fxiny : It must not be pam doing it. I've openvpn authenticating via pam and it's doing it's own logging in /var/log/daemon.log, but there's nothing in /var/log/auth.log. It'd be nice to have a complete record in one place....
12:54<kop>kon_ : Thanks.
12:54<kon_>kop, what exactly are you trying to do with the logging?
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12:55<fxiny>kop: PAM unable to dispatch function is in daemon . PAM-Wheel Ignoring access request is in auth . logcheck reports all of 'em
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12:56<fxiny>i get Ignoring access request in etch . sarge was more neat
12:57<fxiny>kop: every time i su PAM ignores ... :P
12:57<kop>kon_, fxiny : I've not thought through exactly what I want with logging. I think what I want is to look at a single file to see who's authenticated via the passwd db.
12:57<fxiny>wtmp ?
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12:58<kop>fxiny : Yah..... I think it's pam not doing the logging, and maybe I want it to. If I use the same pam service to authenticate, then I want that service to log. Maybe.
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12:59<fxiny>kop: i use wheel
12:59<fxiny>so i get all su logs
13:00<fxiny>or attempt
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13:06<fxiny>kop: maybe this can help . pam-wheel line i use is : auth requisite group=wheel debug . debug does it . see if adding it to /etc/pam.d/login does what you want
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13:17<norbert_>I've bought a HP Photosmart C3180 and downloaded and installed the latest hplip, but hp-setup, xsane, Gnome printer, they all still can't find this USB printer; any suggestions?
13:18<norbert_>it's not being detected at all, not in Debian and not in Ubuntu
13:18<norbert_>lsusb gives no printer
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13:18<norbert_>I installed Ubuntu today, just to test, and then installed Debian again after it was unsuccesful
13:19<norbert_>scanimage -L also gives No scanners were identified.
13:19<norbert_>but it's like the machine can't find anything
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13:23<witte>norbert_: did you check this page:
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13:23<norbert->ok, restart...
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13:24<witte>norbert-: but it should be recognized by lsusb anyhow before you can do something :(
13:24<norbert->yeah, thought so... :(
13:25<norbert->but it's strange, because some people on Ubuntu forums say it worked out of the box
13:25<norbert->"Installed Fiesty that was released a couple of days ago on a spare hard drive this weekend for testing purposes. HP C3180 works for both printing and scanning for me right ¨out-of-the-box¨."
13:25<witte>norbert-: the openprinting page also suggest this
13:25<witte>norbert-: maybe you need to load another usb module
13:26<norbert->I have another printer (my old one, epson stylus c42ux) that does work and lsusb finds it too
13:26<norbert->hum... maybe, yes
13:26<witte>norbert-: maybe uhci or ehci (but that is something i did not have to try in a long time...
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13:28<witte>norbert-: try some other usb port (like not the usb1 port in the front of your pc, but the usb2 in the back or something similar?
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13:29<norbert->no, still just my old printer... 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer
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13:29<KaiSVK>hi all
13:30<witte>norbert-: i am out of guesses, maybe just ask again when there is more people active in this channel
13:30<KaiSVK>anybody using Listen?
13:30<norbert->yeah, thanks though for trying to help
13:30<KaiSVK>I can not seek in played songs??? :(
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13:35<witte>gogo autokill :-)
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13:36<fxiny>all msn spammers
13:36<norbert->the system seems pretty slow though, these bots have enough time to spam
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13:39<fxiny>oh a mistake : i am so so sorry :P
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13:39<norbert->always when I buy new hardware, Linux fails on me
13:39<fxiny>vi are unter attack
13:40<norbert->ever since I started with Redhat 10 years ago
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13:40<norbert->it's getting better, because X usually works out of the box, but the reason Linux on the desktop is failing is still because of bad hardware support
13:40<norbert->installed Debian on many of my friends machines and only 1 person is still using it
13:40<witte>norbert-: it is not linux that is failing, it is hardware vendors that fail
13:41<norbert->and with that Linux
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13:41<fxiny>is because of bas*ard hardware vendors
13:41<norbert->they buy a new webcam and then when it just won't work they go back to windows
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13:41<norbert->or a new modem or whatever
13:41<witte>norbert-: but as you said, it is getting better, and it will improve even further
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13:42<norbert->yes, it takes time, but it's still very sad, because when the hardware works, Linux is superiour in many ways
13:42<cahoot>norbert-: if they are happier with windows - so what?
13:42<witte>cahoot: many people are happier with windows because they do not know linux
13:42<norbert->well, that means they use windows, the more people use linux, the more products, games, support, and so ono
13:42<cahoot>well these people did know
13:42<fxiny>as long as winsta keeps performing so well , all those bast*ards vendors should keep an eye on OUR money :P
13:43<witte>cahoot: i try not to be the zealot (which i maybe was earlier) but people are just unaware of alternatives
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13:43<zobel>RichiH: see here for the nice backlog :=)
13:44<RichiH>zobel: this channel does not exist
13:44<fxiny>usually it takes a couple on months to sort new hardware right : foss rulez
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13:45<norbert->I tried my new webcam earlier, but it doesn't work with Skype, it shows either the other person or me, but not both
13:45<fxiny>unless you get winsta periphernalia :P
13:45<norbert->so now I have a printer/scanner and a webcam that are not working
13:45<norbert->which is pretty sad
13:45<witte>norbert-: does skype for linux support webcams?
13:46<norbert->the beta, yes
13:46<cahoot>to some extent
13:46<fxiny>skype too should rely on linux users money : are skype top dogs deaf ?
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13:46<zobel>norbert-: lsusb gives you which IDs for the printer/scanner?
13:47<norbert->zobel: none :(
13:47<norbert->all ID 0000:0000
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13:47<zobel>norbert-: update-usbids ?
13:48<norbert->what package is that part of?
13:48<zobel>that was easy :)
13:48<norbert->usbutils is already the newest version.
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13:49<norbert->ah, it's a root thing
13:49<zobel>just run update-usbids as root
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13:49<norbert->it downloaded a package
13:49<zobel>that sometimes helped me
13:50<witte>norbert-: does lsusb now output somehting?
13:50<zobel>he seems to be more busy now :)
13:50<norbert->/var/log/messages doesn't even show anything when I remove and reattach the printer's usb cable; lsusb still shows nothing
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13:50<zobel>which printer is that?
13:50<norbert->it's a sad world we're living in
13:51<norbert->HP Photosmart C3180
13:51<norbert->should work, according to many Ubunu user's messages on the web
13:51<cahoot>strange that not even dmesg reports anything
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13:52<norbert->I could still use my old printer, but I bought the new one for the scanning stuff (xsane)
13:52<cahoot>no other cable to test?
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13:53<norbert->that was it cahoot, thanks
13:53<norbert->I tried the cable from my old printer, and it works
13:53<cahoot>so linux maybe isn't to blame?
13:53<norbert->Bus 005 Device 027: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C3180
13:53<zobel>sounds better
13:53<norbert->not this time
13:54<norbert->xsane works, everything works
13:54<norbert->and I just bought that cable yesterday
13:54<Supaplex>I <3 xsane
13:55<Supaplex>I own a stack of scanners it works with. sadly, my portable sheetfed scanner has no support as of yet.
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13:58<norbert->it worked, you are on IRC!
13:58<witte>norbert-: and what about your webcam: which id does that have, maybe you can get that one working as well
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13:58<guatagel>I have a strange problem: I can run iceweasel as root, but not as regular user
13:58<norbert->witte: the webcam works, just not 100% with Skype...
13:58<guatagel>I have tried removing .mozilla, but the problem persists
13:59<guatagel>the same with iceape
13:59<witte>norbert-: ok, that is a skype problem
13:59<Supaplex>!tell guatagel -about don't work
13:59<willichan>Can anyone help direct me to some documentation for creating unattended installs?
13:59<norbert->yep, I just have to wait for a newer version
13:59<Supaplex>guatagel: 'strange problem' is too vague.
13:59<witte>willichan: you look for preseeding
13:59<zobel>witte: fai or d-i pre-seeding?
14:00<willichan>Witte: Thank you.
14:00<norbert->by the way, you know what I've been thinking... would a website (seperate, nice domain name) with Linux error messages and how to fix things be useful?
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14:01<zobel>witte: args. sorry, wrong nick
14:01<zobel>willichan: fai or d-i pre-seeding?
14:01<witte>zobel: np, i thought you were correcting me
14:01<norbert->for example, you search for "update-usbids: command not found" and it says "install usbutils"
14:02<grummund>Any suggestions please for a decent offline usenet reader (idealy not one that'll take weeks to master)
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14:02<norbert->grummund: mozilla?
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14:02<zobel>grummund: cnews and emacs? ;)
14:02<grummund>norbert-: is that a recommendation?
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14:03<norbert->grummund: yes, I always used mozilla and was quite happy with it, very easy to use
14:06<guatagel>my problem is : iceweasel runs only as root. tried removing /home/guatagel/.mozilla, still dont work
14:06<guatagel>the same with iceape
14:06<witte>guatagel: ls -l /usr/bin/iceweasel
14:06<guatagel>ok, wait...
14:07<witte>guatagel: or you can tell us what error you get when you try iceweasel as normal user
14:07<avtobiff>guatagel, only as root or only not as your current user?
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14:07<witte>guatagel: is it a default debian install, or did you do something special
14:07<grummund>norbert-: right. i'm installing iceape then
14:07<guatagel>as normal user, iceweasel starts ok, but when browse some url, iceweasel crahs without messages
14:08<avtobiff>what url?
14:08<witte>grummund: it is also in the icedove package (which is lighter than iceape)
14:08<guatagel>running as normal user form console, I only get "Segment violation"
14:08<norbert->guatagel: did you try running it from the console and did it still crash without a message?
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14:08<norbert->guatagel: does it crash all the time or only when you do certain things?
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14:08<guatagel>only crash with normal user and at the moment of render the page
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14:08<avtobiff>guatagel, what page?
14:08<norbert->guatagel: what version is it?
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14:09<guatagel>starts ok, but when you browse some url, it crash at the very moment of rendering content
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14:09<grummund>witte: thanks. i already have that installed.
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14:09<fxiny>grummund: offline ? pan . on line lsrn tin or emacs++
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14:09<guatagel>iceweasel I have etch, today update
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14:10<guatagel>iceape gives the same
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14:10<norbert->guatagel: you never had problems before?
14:10<rss>hi, I am compiling e17 and it needs aclocal, but that command is not available on Debian Sarge... what to do?
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14:10<guatagel>it worked ok yesterday
14:10<Supaplex>guatagel: if it's crashing, you'll want to install the -dbg version, and capture a segfault, or enable coredumps on it
14:11<norbert->apt-get install build-essential
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14:11<Supaplex>rss: sarge is old my friend.
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14:11<guatagel>ok, how do I install dbg version ? how do I run it ?
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14:11<Supaplex>guatagel: i'm on my way out. sorry I can't help more. good luck :)
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14:11<rss>Supaplex: oops... I got etch
14:12<fxiny>coredump ?
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14:12<guatagel>How do I get a coredump ?
14:12<fxiny>i remember you asking for it
14:13<rss>how to get aclocal for etch?
14:13<norbert->rss: apt-get install build-essential
14:13<guatagel>thanks supaplex. thanks to all of you !
14:13<azeem>norbert-: it's not in b-e
14:13<azeem>rss: /msg dpkg search
14:13<norbert->in automake?
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14:13<norbert->ok, sorry
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14:14<zaikxtox>hello. is there a way to have some apps on debian etch with gtk 2.10 wihtout a chroot? i would like yo have some newer apps without going lenny for my main system
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14:15<witte>zaikxtox: are they backported?
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14:15<zaikxtox>and can i still use 2.8 for all the other apps?
14:16<witte>zaikxtox: mmm, not sure of that
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14:17<witte>zaikxtox: you can compile them yourself against the correct libraries, but that would be not that trivial (but i think doable, although i never tried it)
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14:17<rss>norbert-: thanks, it was in automake
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14:18<zaikxtox>witte, yes. i have been thinking on that
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14:18<rss>aclocal came with automake but apt-cache search should have shown it, right?
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14:18<zaikxtox>but first wanted to ask
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14:18<zaikxtox>to avoid working a lot :)
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14:19<witte>zaikxtox: maybe someone else with more experience has some other insight on it?
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14:19<witte>zaikxtox: but that is the only way i see
14:19<zaikxtox>i will try compiling with --prefix=/opt/gtk2.10
14:19<zaikxtox>maybe i have luch
14:19<witte>zaikxtox: :-)
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14:21<zaikxtox>14mb of bzipped source code for gtk...
14:22<zaikxtox>i will wait until lenny is stable ;)
14:22<zaikxtox>see you!
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14:27<willichan>OK. I've been reading up on the preseeding. It looks like the way to go. But, is there any extra documentation on running additional scripts durring the process? The info I have found so far mentions it, but is very scant on the howto. I need to configure these machines to use LDAP authentication from my server rather than local auth.
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14:39<fxiny>who was talking with me about mrxvt ?
14:40<fxiny>0.5.3 version ?
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14:51<knewt>what would be the easiest way to create persistent symlinks to ttyS* dev nodes? would i have to do something manually in the udev rules, or is there something that'd do it for me?
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15:00<Cackette>How do I make it so Iceweasel is the default browser in Etch? Every time I open it, it asks me if I want it set to default.
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15:00<fxiny>update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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15:02<Cackette>so theres a * and a + there
15:02<knewt>ah there we go. done it myself, as not much involved in it
15:02<Cackette>seems i can only move the *
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15:03<kop>fxiny : wtmp does do the job, but does not let me see just how the user got in. I'm not as interested in su/wheel, anyhow not now. I live with it for now and think. Thanks for the help.
15:03<gurpreet>xmms2_* variables are not working in my conky and they show up as such in the conky. anybody have any idea why is that so?
15:03<pd2fvl>anyone experience with shoutcast
15:03<kop>!tell pd2fvl -about ask
15:03<fxiny>kop: np . have you tried debug option ?
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15:05<kop>fxiny : nope. I'm going to plow blindly ahead. I'm on a roll.
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15:05<gurpreet>fxiny, hey, its madprobe. are u using conky? if yes, have u used xmms2 vars in the script?
15:09<thoebn> hi, I have big troubles getting alsa working. I am using debian and my soundcard is a "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller". Now to the problem: I am able to start alsa but if I want to play a sound a few milliseconds of the sound repeats a few times.
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15:09<thoebn> there is a Dmesg output, but I'm not sure if this has something todo with my problem: PCI: IRQ 6 for device 0000:00:11.5 doesn't match PIRQ mask - try pci=usepirqmask
15:09<thoebn><6>PCI: Found IRQ 6 for device 0000:00:11.5
15:09<thoebn>PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64
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15:10<gloupy>hi there
15:10<fxiny>gurpreet: i don't use konqui . what script ?
15:10<pd2fvl>try the cd rom with linux install
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15:11<gurpreet>fxiny, there are few inbuilt variables in conky, which aren't working, i thought u might be using them
15:11<gloupy>will i have problems installing debian on a lenovo laptop with a sata 2 hdd ?
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15:11<gurpreet>variables like xmms2_status, xmms2_artist etc
15:12<fxiny>gurpreet: in konqui ? no idea
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15:13<gurpreet>fxiny, its conky
15:13<gurpreet>fxiny, yes
15:13<gurpreet>fxiny, u use fluxbox right?
15:14<gurpreet>fxiny, which pager?
15:14<gurpreet>fxiny, i mean desktop pager like fbpager etc. which one is most cool?
15:14<gloupy>anyone here having installed debian on a lenovo laptop ?
15:14<kop>gloupy : Probably not, although there's not really any telling. You could try the debian live cd. If it works then an install should.
15:15<fxiny>gurpreet: i use fbpager . a silver/gray slack modified theme
15:15<gloupy>would you advise me to install it 32 or 64 bits ? the cpu supports it
15:15<gurpreet>fxiny, can fbpager become transparent?
15:16<kop>gloupy : I can't think of why not try 64 bits. But then I never use binary-only stuff. Others may have more input.
15:16<cahoot>gloupy: t61 works fine
15:16<fxiny>gurpreet: no idea . i've never tried that . have you checked flux themes pages ?
15:16<gloupy>okay i will try 64
15:17<gurpreet>fxiny, u mean theme pages for fluxbox? i didnt knew they contain themes for fbpager also
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15:18<gurpreet>fxiny, also, debian doesnt provide any fluxbox themes
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15:19<fxiny>gurpreet: yahhh : styles . sorry i'm fighting with mrxvt 5.3.1
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15:19<fxiny>gurpreet: my head is in there :)
15:20<gurpreet>fxiny, hearing abt mrxvt from u since yesterday, i've installed and used it but i didnt found anything great in it except tab support
15:20<gurpreet>fxiny, no probs, carry on dude
15:20<wusel>what'd you choose as /swap partition size when you got 2gb or 4gb of ram?
15:20<fxiny>gurpreet: 5.3 compiles fine . but something is wrong with it
15:21<Supaplex>wusel: my swap is rarely used with 4gb. eg, less than 100mb ever. nominally 5mb or less. you might like swapd :)
15:21<gurpreet>fxiny, whats wrong?
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15:22<fxiny>gurpreet: keyboards shortcuts
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15:22<gurpreet>fxiny, how can i check my version of mrxvt?
15:22<fxiny>gurpreet: apt-cache policy
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15:24<fxiny>gurpreet: on this box i'm still using sarge 0.4.0-3 cause i can't stand etch 0.5.2-2 . i've compiled 5.3.1 on my fat box , checking it
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15:24<gurpreet>fxiny, oh yes, i remember 500 MHz or so, right
15:25<shardzez>hey guys, what is the command to reconfigure xorg with the nice little GUI? :/
15:25<fxiny>400 , if i want i can run it as a 200 :P
15:25<gurpreet>fxiny, changin CPU freq?
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15:26<fxiny>gurpreet: yes . this is the very first 400 intevil
15:26<shardzez>x keeps failing, says 'no screen'
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15:28<gurpreet>fxiny, me too have installed fluxbox on my P3 700 Mhz
15:28<fxiny>gurpreet: i have a fat stupid xeon for testing things . can't stand it
15:28<shardzez>isnt there some re-config command for it with apt?
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15:28<gurpreet>fxiny, liked fluxbox so much that i am using fluxbox again on my P4 3GHz :)
15:29<gurpreet>fxiny, xeon are fast processors made for server
15:29<fxiny>shardzez: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:29<shardzez>fxiny: ah man thanks so much
15:29<shardzez>thats the one i was trying to remember :)
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15:29<fxiny>gurpreet: ohh but flux is the ruler of my second fat box hd :)
15:30<fxiny>shardzez: np
15:30<gurpreet>fxiny, same here
15:30<shardzez>btw, im on a 233mhz BEAST :p
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15:31<fxiny>233 ? ahhhh lovely
15:31[~]gurpreet wonders if linus's 386 might still be running linux
15:31<ugen>how can I install a .deb package? dpkg doesnt semm to work.
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15:31<gurpreet>ugen, dpkg -i package
15:32<gurpreet>if yes then it must be fluxbox running on top it
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15:34<ugen>how can I find out if my linux is etch or not etch?
15:34<JasonS>ugen: one way is cat /etc/debian_version
15:34<JasonS>ugen: but shouldn't you know what you're running?
15:34<gurpreet>i was wondering the same
15:35<ugen>i am running xebian for xbox
15:35<JasonS>ugen: ahh then you're in the wrong channel
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15:35<clarity>hey, how do i reconfigure my xwindow's resolution?
15:35<stew>ugen: if it is xebeian, it is not debian and therefore it can't be etch
15:36<ugen>but xebian has no official channel
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15:36<JasonS>ugen: never the less it's not debian and we can't help
15:36<JasonS>!tell clarity about drxx
15:36<ugen>xebian is debian for xbox
15:36<JasonS>ugen: but not debian
15:36<gurpreet>ugen, if xebian comes from debian then it must also have /etc/debian_version
15:37<wusel>how is the ntfs support today and how about vista?
15:37<gurpreet>ugen, saying this coz ubuntu/kubuntu also has this file, try
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15:38<ugen>it has an debian_version file
15:38<gurpreet>ugen, cool, if it says 4.0 then its etch
15:38<JasonS>gurpreet: heh not
15:39<gurpreet>ugen, its sarge
15:39<ugen>ok, thanks
15:39<JasonS>or based on at least
15:40<gurpreet>does anyone know where can i find a collection fluxbox themes in a single .deb package? i am missing this alot
15:40<gurpreet>a collection of*
15:40<fxiny>gurpreet: hahahah done it : 15 tabs !
15:40<ugen>which is the latest version wine for sarge?
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15:41<gurpreet>fxiny, but i think opening multiple xterms is better than opening multiple tabs
15:41<gurpreet>fxiny, coz we can see all at once
15:42<gurpreet>ugen, cool dude, u wanna run windows apps on linux which is further running on microsoft's xbox
15:42<fxiny>gurpreet: i fire up 9 tabs in a go on this old one .
15:43<fxiny>gurpreet: but i am after mrxvt 5.3.1 macro . 5.2.2 sucks
15:43<gurpreet>fxiny, but we can see only 1 at a time
15:43<ugen>I can emulate windows with bochs but it is useless because bochs emulates only in 256 color mode
15:43<fxiny>gurpreet: C-pg-up-dw is handy :)
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15:44<gurpreet>fxiny, i thought only emacs can have such cryptic shortcuts
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15:45<gurpreet>fxiny, u can use same shortcut to switch windows
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15:45<fxiny>gurpreet: i go around my flux just with the keyboard . i clic on emacs/iceweasels merged top windows only to piss off kde users :P
15:45<ugen>are there some wine packages for sarge?
15:46<gurpreet>fxiny, what do u mean by merge top windows?
15:46<gurpreet>fxiny, send me a screenshot dude, i wanna see ur mrxvt setups
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15:47<fxiny>gurpreet: you know the trick don't you ? move down emacs a bit under iceweasel . middle clic and move it over : try try :))
15:47<gurpreet>fxiny, u worked hard on that
15:47<free_omen>windows just closed itself to protect me
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15:47<stew>free_omen: wrong channel
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15:47<gurpreet>can i try it with xchat and iceweasal?
15:47<free_omen>stew: why don't you shut the fuck up and go fuck yourself
15:47[~]JasonS waits
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15:47<JasonS>takes courage to mouth off like that then run though
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15:48<fxiny>gurpreet: i'll give you my flux dot dir np . when i've finished with this mrxvt new settings
15:48<gurpreet>fxiny, wow
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15:48[~]gurpreet knew this
15:48<JasonS>glad you were precise on that ban stew heh
15:50<fxiny>gurpreet: i'm jumping from sarge mrxvt to sid mrxvt ignoring etch version :))
15:50<gurpreet>fxiny, i did that middle click thingy and its great
15:50<fxiny>i hope , still checking for hidden monkeys
15:50<gurpreet>xchat and iceweasal are one window now
15:50<fxiny>gurpreet: show it to kde users . hahahahah :))
15:50<gurpreet>i read abt this (docking) but never tried it
15:51<gurpreet>my friend uses gnome and i always make fun of him that he cant even change mouse click options
15:52<fxiny>btw : i have kde installed and gnome too . i just want to have always fun
15:52<gurpreet>fxiny, but thats just another level of coolness
15:52<fxiny>gurpreet: it is : any emacs user should love it cause it really takes emacs over everything
15:53<fxiny>i just do that with emacs
15:53<fxiny>and icewilly
15:53<gurpreet>fxiny, whats icewilly?
15:53<ugen>is it possible to upgrade sarge to etch?
15:53<gurpreet>fxiny, theres is one catch in this, after i undock the window its size remains big
15:54<JasonS>ugen: yes but your not on debian so anything we say can cause major problems for you
15:54<cjmrdc>i asked this before but I lost the answer I was given, appologies, but, would someone want to point me in the direction of a readme or what have you where i can download patches to one of my debian machines and have the others on my LAN patch from it?
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15:55<gurpreet>ugen, u should try and tell us results :)
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15:55<stew>cjmrdc: which patches are you talking about?
15:55<fxiny>gurpreet: all fine here
15:56<stew>ugen: if you are using xebian, you should ask in a xebian specific channel. not here
15:56<gurpreet>JasonS, but apt program must be same in both debian and xebian, isnt it?
15:56<stew>gurpreet: we don't know about xebian
15:56<cjmrdc>the software updates, in gnome they pop up occaisionally to tell you you have updates available
15:56<cjmrdc>i have 5 debian machines, all with the same thigns installed, i don't see any reason to continue to patch them individually and use's bandwidth instead of patching one from the internet and the other 4 from the lan
15:56<gurpreet>stew, if something is debian's offshoot it must be using same apt, so i guessed
15:56<stew>cjmrdc: perhaps look at apt-proxy
15:57<stew>gurpreet: that would be an incorrect assumption. but it doens't really matter. xebian is off-topic in here
15:57<fxiny>i don't understand why ppl sits on base/ment when they can reach the sky
15:58<cjmrdc>thanks stew
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15:58<gurpreet>stew, can't we pick up downloaded patches on machine 1 and put them at proper location manually in machine 2-5 before upgrading them?
15:58<stew>cjmrdc: or perhaps approx which is an apt-proxy replacement. i don't know when one would choose one over the other though
15:58<fxiny>based all the time is because is based : i am a carbon based thing so what ?
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15:59<stew>gurpreet: what patches? you mean packages? yes, as long as the machines are the same arch and same version of debian
16:00<gurpreet>stew, may be cjmrdc looking for same answer, but i dont know the download location
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16:01<usr19>debian em portugues
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16:03<fxiny>i use apt-cacher
16:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:03<fxiny>cause apache sits doing nothing all day :P
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16:03<gurpreet>fxiny, what does apt-cacher do?
16:04<fxiny>gurpreet: same as what stew suggested before
16:04<cjmrdc>gurpreet, i'm actually hoping to automate the whole thing, the 5 debian boxes sit in the room on the other side of my wall and, i'd rather have them patch themselves then me have to interfere, and the bandwidth is of no concern to me but, if everyone felt that way everythign would be slow, so i feel no need to waste someone elses bandwidth
16:05<fxiny>cjmrdc: i have the same feeling . that's why i use apt-cacher
16:06<cjmrdc>that's what i'm reading about at the moment =P
16:06<fxiny>i let rtorrent exploit my isp bandwith for another cause :P
16:07<cjmrdc>fxiny: it's none of my business but, what do you use your multiple boxes for?
16:07<gurpreet>cjmrdc, read a bit abt apt-cacher i think its exactly what u want
16:08<fxiny>cjmrdc: i think is a kind of addiction i'm happy with
16:08<gurpreet>fxiny, yes me too is unable to find any use of my other boxes till now. they remain off :(
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16:09<gurpreet>fxiny, havent found a proper way to put them all on internet
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16:09<fxiny>gurpreet: other ? how many ?
16:09<gurpreet>fxiny, everything i can think of uses expensive hardware
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16:09<gurpreet>fxiny, 2 desktops and a laptop
16:09<kop>gurpreet : I run an email server on an old 586.
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16:10<gurpreet>kop, whats the need to run email server?
16:10<gurpreet>oh i am late
16:11<cjmrdc>i have 5 debian boxes, of which i actively use 1, i don't know what the other 4 are on for, they're just NAS at this point
16:11<cjmrdc>network attached storage
16:11<gurpreet>cjmrdc, how u put them all on n/w, using switch or hub?
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16:12<cjmrdc>gigabit switch, cat6 cabling, gigabit NICs, sitting idle =x
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16:12<gurpreet>cjmrdc, host a debian mirror dude
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16:12<TheLegend>can someboby help me to install compiz on debian lenny with kde?
16:12<cjmrdc>i don't have that kind of bandwidth or i would
16:12<Pepper>Is it only my system or are others experiencing a lot of irc disconnects too in the last days?
16:12<gurpreet>Pepper, atleast i am not
16:13<cjmrdc>pepper, i haven't had any such problem
16:13<fxiny>disconnect ? hmmmm
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16:13<wusel>i'm currently downloading a 4.4gb dvd image to a fat32 partition ... the image is barely to large for it right?
16:13<glorx__>what irc client, Pepper?
16:13<Pepper>thx for feedback, will try to figure out whats going on in my system.
16:13<gurpreet>cjmrdc, how u put all on n/w? u made one of them a router?
16:13<Pepper>glorx__: ksirc
16:13<cjmrdc>gurpreet: i felt bad that i had alot of processor power sitting around doing nothing, so i ran F@H for about a week, but it was much too hot with all the machines in one room at 100% cpu usage 24/7
16:13<fxiny>4.4 in fat32 ?
16:14<TheLegend>can someboby help me to install compiz on debian lenny with kde?
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16:14<glorx__>Pepper: hmmm...I use irssi and it's never hiccuped. Ever.
16:14<glorx__>No experience w/ksirc, sorry
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16:14<wusel>yeah i did not think of it when i started
16:14<cjmrdc>gurpreet, actually at the moment, it's a windows machine with DHCP assigning their local addresses
16:14<fxiny>Pepper: join the cult : irssi :)
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16:14<gurpreet>cjmrdc, heh, me too ran fah but found is so bore and close it down thinking that i will think abt something more interesting
16:14<cjmrdc>me as well
16:15<cjmrdc>poor little boxes though, so bored
16:15<gurpreet>cjmrdc, i am thinking abt playing with LFS or slackware on one of them
16:16<opm8>gurpeet, if you want some fun, install gentoo. That'll keep you busy, guaranteed.
16:16<cjmrdc>i tried mandrake and slack several years ago, i'm happy with debian, no need for me to go testing
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16:16<cjmrdc>i also, for the period of about 15 minutes had freebsd installed
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16:16<Pepper>fxiny: any non-terminal irc clients to suggest?
16:16<gurpreet>cjmrdc, when i had a single m/c i used to think abt hundred uses of multiple machines, but now i've nothing to make them do
16:16<fxiny>why slack ? vservers are great fun and they work great on etch . xen is another toy
16:16<cjmrdc>precisely, i had grandiose ideas of what to do with my own little farm
16:16<cjmrdc>and now that i have it, i can't think of anything
16:17<gurpreet>cjmrdc, i installed freebsd too, it didnt detected my video card and didnt run X, so i punished it by formatting my disk again
16:17<fxiny>Pepper: no idea mate : i am addicted to cli :)
16:17<gurpreet>cjmrdc, that too within an hour of installing it. linux is more interesting
16:17<gurpreet>Pepper, i am using xchat, its more popular i suppose
16:18<gurpreet>and its good
16:18<Pepper>gurpreet: will give it a try.
16:18<fxiny>and encryption and se-linux : i have plans for the next three years at least
16:18<fxiny>is good to be a user
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16:18<gurpreet>fxiny, whats vserver and xen?
16:19<cjmrdc>xen is where the aliens came from in half-life
16:19<cjmrdc>i don't know what vserver is =P
16:20<gurpreet>cjmrdc, there is no fun is installing same OS in all machines
16:20<fxiny>gurpreet: chrooted/virtual things .i'm running it now : bitlbee sits in a vserver and i am connected to it . you can run a vserver on a low resource box . xen want more
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16:20<gurpreet>fxiny, i got nothing dude. what vserver?
16:20<fxiny>gurpreet: i have a vsftpd running in a vserver sharing user home with the host home : pretty wierd :P
16:20<opm8>virtualbox is nice, too
16:20<Pepper>hmm, xchat looks good, thanks for the idea.
16:21<gurpreet>cjmrdc, i am running etch on one, kubuntu on other and gentoo on yet another
16:21<fxiny>gurpreet: to start is a path to a kernel : 2.6.18-5-vserver-686
16:21<cjmrdc>etch on all 5 =P
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16:21<gurpreet>Pepper, good, now u have xchat try others too and tell me if u find any other better :)
16:22<gurpreet>fxiny, u mean user mode linux?
16:22<fxiny>gurpreet: to be honest i blame Supaplex for this new addiction
16:23<Pepper>gurpreet: first I'll test if there disconnect problems too in xchat...
16:23<fxiny>gurpreet: better then user mode , imho . i used to do jails like this irssi so a vserver easier
16:23<gurpreet>fxiny, i will read abt vserver. i like it to get addicted :)
16:23<fxiny>gurpreet: i think you'll love it :)
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16:23<gurpreet>Pepper, don't think that irsii made u diconnect, its tested and tried
16:24<gurpreet>fxiny, cool
16:24<Pepper>gurpreet: was not using irssi but ksirc.
16:25<gurpreet>Pepper, oh, can't say anything abt this
16:26<fxiny>gurpreet: it just wiork out of the way : use bpo util-vserver , just that packjage , as #vserver ppl suggest
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16:27<gurpreet>wikipedia has a page on vserver
16:28<fxiny>i'll finish this mrxvt tomorrow . time to go . bye
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16:28<gurpreet>fxiny, i'll read abt it
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16:39<hobophobe>I'm getting ready to install debian on a new computer, which (unfortunately) I still want to be able to dual-boot windows on. The simplest way is to install windows first, then install debian (& GRUB's installation will automatically let me add the boot to windows), right?
16:41<oxymor00n>iirc it adds it automagically
16:41<hobophobe>Yeah, I wasn't sure if it did it without asking or not... either way, it'll do it.
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16:42<oxymor00n>it did it automagically for me, that is it added the rescue-partition and so on
16:43<hobophobe>ah, yeah
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16:46<kop>Sorry, I missed the apt-cacher discussion. How is it different from apt-proxy and would it work transparently with
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17:01<Cackette>how do i get a vhost
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17:03<bremner>any recommendations for best sip client in debian? Preferably cross platform (MacOS/X)
17:03<Cackette>Whats the best way to play a Windows-based game in Debian?
17:04<hobophobe>Usually wine
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17:04<hobophobe> This site you can search to find if your game is compatible with wine.
17:05<shardz_ez>why doesnt apt find LAME ?
17:05<shardz_ez>with default repos..
17:05<hobophobe>LAME violates some patents I believe, so it is not included in default repositories
17:05<dpkg>[debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
17:06<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
17:07<shardz_ez>so just put in sources.list?
17:07<dpkg>methinks debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
17:07<bremner>but check for a good mirror
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17:10<Cackette>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
17:10<Cackette>how do i fix that
17:10<bremner>!no public key
17:10<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details.
17:11<hobophobe>wine is also available in the debian repositories I believe.
17:12<Cackette>oh, thanks
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17:12<Cackette>stupid wine site told me too add a new source
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17:17<Cackette>ugh, how am i supposed to download a game if the stupid game's site wont let me in because i'm using Iceweasel
17:18<dondelelcaro>Cackette: turn off javascript or change the user agent, and then send a nastygram to the website developers
17:19<Cackette>yeah, i just installed user agent switched
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17:26<jhagg>Is xserver-xorg-core >= 1.4 stable enough to use yet? Seems to be very fragile...
17:27<bremner>jhagg: works ok for me on intel video chips
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17:27<jhagg>bremner: Maybe I should blame Nvidia? :-)
17:29<bremner>jhagg: maybe. new versions of xrandr are very useful
17:31<jhagg>bremner: thanks, I'll check that also. However, I saw some note about a new nvidia version coming out (Dec 20)
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17:33<chealer_>jhagg: did you check the BTS?
17:35<jhagg>chealer_: well, I tried, it seems to be #179647 that pops up again (SIGALRM spinlock)
17:36<chealer_>jhagg: I meant the BTS can give you an idea of the regressions
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17:38<jhagg>chealer_: true, seems as if I'll have to downgrade the x-server for a while. However, randr seems popular in the reports. :-)
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17:55<Cackette>Out of curiousity, how come its Iceweasel in Linux instead of Firefox
17:55<Cackette>when its the same browser
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17:55<warpedby0>i believe because some artwork was not free software
17:55<witte>Cackette: it has something to do with the licence
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17:56<witte>Cackette: one of the reasons was that debian brings old versions of "firefox" (like the one in etch) with patches
17:57<witte>Cackette: according to the firefox licence, these patches should be checked or done by the mozilla team and not debian, which would cause delays
17:57<witte>Cackette: but i am not 100% sure of this
17:57<chealer_>Cackette: it doesn't. it's iceweasel in Debian because Firefox is a trademark.
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17:58<chealer>Cackette: see for details
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18:24<Killing_Frost>Anyone recall the package that monitors changes in files and warns the root via mail?
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18:33<bjb>Killing_Frost: the command "apt-cache rdepends fam" indicates a few potential candidates (fam is "file alteration monitor"; it tells a socket when certain files change)
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18:34<Killing_Frost>Thank you.
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18:38<donny_>hi all. i want an AGP video card that works well with Etch below $200 with analog output, preferably from a company that is very cooperative with the open source community (although as i understand things, that means neither brand-name NVIDIA nor ATI cards)
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18:40<donny_>hi all. i want an AGP video card that works well with Etch below $200 with analog output, preferably from a company that is very cooperative with the open source community (although as i understand things, that means neither brand-name NVIDIA nor ATI cards)
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18:40<bjb>nothing wrong with that donny_ although I don't really have any suggestions
18:40[~]Killing_Frost wonders if he's passing a kidney stone.
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18:41<bjb>nice to hear someone else being a choosy consumer
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18:41[~]bjb just chose an MP3 player based on ability to play OGG, even it if did require talking to sales people who never heard of Ogg Vorbis or FLAC
18:42<bjb>Killing_Frost - you have pretty good spelling for someone in your situation ... :-)
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18:46<AlteKiet>is there a bash command that opposites disown?
18:47[~]Killing_Frost double-checks his spelling, suspecting sarcasm.
18:48<AlteKiet>I've got an intensive tar -cvzf running. Then I did $bg.
18:48<AlteKiet>then I logged out of the bash session
18:48<AlteKiet>can I see the output of the tar process again?
18:49<bjb>Killing_Frost - I thought passing kidney stones was very, very painful ... spelling would be the last thing I'd worry about in that state.
18:49<Killing_Frost>It was prolly a muscle twinge.
18:49<bjb>Killing_Frost - of course, advising #debian would be the second-last thing I'd worry about (here's the humour)
18:50<donny_>AlteKiet: in ordr to do that, bash would need a way to grab the stdio pipes on a running process
18:50<donny_>AlteKiet: you may, however, be interested in screen, and dtach
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18:50<AlteKiet>donny_: I use screen frequently, but not this time, unfortunately
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18:52<bjb>Not sure if fishing around in /proc/*/fd would help ...
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18:58<ranix>how do I install clamassassin
18:58<ranix>apt-cache search clamassassin returns nothing
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18:59<bjb>ranix - do you mean spamassassin?
19:00[~]Killing_Frost has heard of clam and heard of spam-assassin.
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19:01<bjb>hmm, an apt-cache search for "assassin" on my system does return something for clamassassin
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19:02<bjb>I do have non-free and contrib in my sources though
19:03<bjb>I'm not sure how you tell (with apt) which source it is
19:03<bjb>apt-cache policy clamassassin seems to say it's in "unstable/main"
19:04<bjb>Hmm, what's an instance of a non-free package?
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19:05<bjb>heh, documentation for gcc, maybe
19:05<simonrvn>wtf is clamassassin
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19:05<bjb>ok, so in the apt-cache show output, the "Section" would show if it's in contrib or non-free
19:06<bjb>if it says main, it's free
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19:06<azeem>bjb: yes
19:06<bjb>simonrvn: "clamassassin is a simple virus filter wrapper for ClamAV for use in procmail ..." from apt-cache show
19:06<azeem>"grep-status -F Section non-free -s Package" would print the name of the non-free packages on your system I guess
19:07<simonrvn>ah, thanks
19:07<simonrvn>didn't think it existed
19:07<bjb>azeem, so does vrms :-)
19:08<bjb>all my "non-free" packages are documentation of fsf packages (emacs, cpp, gcc)
19:09<bjb>seems vrms and grep-status agree (thanks azeem for the pointer to grep-status)
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19:09[~]bjb checks out the packages on her system from "contrib"
19:09<azeem>vrms should be told to ignore those based on some Package tag for lenny
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19:09<bjb>maybe ...
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19:10[~]bjb wonders about the ethical implications of making that an option for vrms
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19:13<azeem>it's a vrms not a vdebian-legal
19:13<bjb>anyway, seems like if ranix can't see clamassassin, s/he should pick other apt sources.
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19:14<bjb>I suppose, if the fsf can choose a non-free license, then vrms can allow users to ignore them as an option.
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19:15<witte>hi, what does libboost do? I have 16 new packages installed...
19:16<azeem>it's a C++ library to do various stuff AFAIK
19:16<witte>will it have an effect on what i do
19:16<azeem>witte: are you talking about "boost your sexual performance" or something?
19:16<simonrvn>boost thought processes
19:16<witte>azeem: yeah, i was reading on that in apt-cache show libboost-wave1.34.1
19:17<witte>azeem: if it can do that it would be even better :-)
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19:18[~]Killing_Frost jamz.
19:18<Killing_Frost>Keep well.
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19:21<witte>had a look at the README.Debian file, and it does not look like something that concerns me :-)
19:21<azeem>it's a library, what do you expect
19:22<witte>azeem: yes, but i found it strange that it suddenly installs 16 of them, while there weren't any installed before
19:23<azeem>what is "it"?
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19:28<witte>azeem: the second "it" is apt-get dist-upgrade
19:28<witte>azeem: but nevermind
19:28<witte>it is late on a friday evening
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19:53<Cackette>does anyone know if its possible to intercept a UPS package at one of their facilities?
19:54<Cackette>it arrived @ the facility in my city today, but says it wont be delivered until wednesday
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19:58<ikebanto>#j wordexpress -br
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19:58<opm8>Cackette: call them and tell them you want to pick up the pkg at their warehouse.
19:58<Cackette>Will they do that?
19:58<opm8>yes. I've done it many times.
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19:59<opm8>but they might have to attempt delivery at least once.
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19:59<Cackette>They havn't
19:59<opm8>wait, never mind. I didn't read your post correctly.
19:59<Cackette>it just showed up @ their office 5 hours ago
19:59<opm8>if the status simply says it's in the city that's not good enough.
20:00<Cackette> WEST SACRAMENTO,CA, US 12/28/2007 12:20 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
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20:00<opm8>if they deliver when you're out, then you can call and tell them to leave the pkg at the warehouse. That's what I meant.
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20:00<Cackette>can't really interrupt their process?
20:00<Cackette>i just hope the estimated delivery date is wrong
20:01<opm8>I doubt it. Why don't you call them and see what they can do?
20:01<Cackette>do they deliver on saturday/sunday?
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20:02<blarson>Cackette: I think they do on sat if you pay extra it was sent.
20:02<Cackette>so it wont be here until monday @ the earliest
20:02<Cackette>newegg says they dont attempt delivery on the weekend
20:02<opm8>Here: I've done the heavy lifting for you: 1-800-PICK-UPS
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20:02<Cackette>i'll just let it be
20:03<Cackette>not really time sensitive
20:03<comex>I'm trying to install Debian, but it won't recognize my SATA CD drive
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20:04<comex>I don't think the kernel of the debian-installer is actually recognizing the drive.
20:04<witte>try the installer with 2.6.23 kernel
20:04<witte>!tell comex about etch 2.6.23
20:05<comex>will try that
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20:08<comex>Will I get the same thing if I try to download the testing iso?
20:08<Cackette>No wonder my package isnt scheduled for delivery until Wednesday when its already in my city. UPS counts both 12/31 and 1/1 as holidays, leaving 1/2 Wednesday.
20:09<Cackette>lazy bumbs
20:09<witte>comex: I do not know which kernel is in the testing iso...
20:10<witte>comex: and you will end up with a debian testing, not a stable with 2.6.23
20:10<comex>doesn't matter; I will upgrade to unstable as soon as I can get internet access
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20:12<comex>now I just need to figure out network boot :/
20:14<Tuplad>hey guys, could anyone help me out ? I've got an external harddrive of 500gb, I connected it to the pc, it appears in /media. the manual says that's its fat32 by default and it can be formatted if I wish. should I ? is there any use in formatting ?
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20:15<oddtod>hey guys do you know of a unix/debian application that will allow me to take an audio file and convert it to speech?
20:16<witte>Tuplad: fat32 is the worst possible filesystem
20:16<oddtod>tuplad if you want to put files on there that are larger than 4 gigs i owuld
20:16<oddtod>Tuplad: witte is 100% its terrible
20:16<witte>Tuplad: are you going to use that drive also on windows machines?
20:16<Tuplad>nope, only on this machine
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20:16<Tuplad>so I should reformat it you say?
20:16<witte>Tuplad: yes
20:17<Tuplad>I'm a complete newb to this, but could you hook me up with a site that gives me more info on filesystems?
20:17<witte>Tuplad: just ext3 i would say
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20:17<Tuplad>just information and what's it about, you know, the basics
20:17<Tuplad>then I'll move to reformatting
20:17<oddtod>witte whats the file system for handling like tons and tons of small files?
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20:18<witte>oddtod: don't know? maybe reiser?
20:18<Tuplad>witte: oh yeah, nice one :D thanks, I'll check it out
20:18<oddtod>witte: yeah thats the guy
20:19<witte>Tuplad: the latest link should be interesting as well
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20:19<Tuplad>thanks, I'll start educating myself now :d
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20:25<witte>oddtod: what do you mean by converting it to speech? play it?
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20:25<oddtod>i need software that will take voice recordings from a little digital voice recorder(it saves in wma but converting won't be an issue) and turning it into text
20:26<oddtod>i know like dragon natural speaking can do it but its 100 bucks and would like an open source way of doing it
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20:27<comex>I know there is a meta-package that will install a lot of useful headers, what is its name?
20:28<oddtod>comex who are you talking to?
20:28<comex>anyone :)
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20:29<witte>comex: which kind of headers?
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20:30<comex>Maybe my memory fails me. But it installed things like libc...
20:30<witte>oddtod: transcriber?
20:30<witte>comex: build-essential?
20:30<comex>:) that's it
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20:31<oddtod>yeah a transcriber thats the word
20:32<comex>OK, one more dumb question.
20:32<witte>oddtod: that is also a package
20:32<comex>The new computer I'm setting up is 64-bit. Should I be using ia64?
20:32<comex>Intel core 2 duo etc.
20:32<oddtod>i'll check it out thanks witte
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20:34<witte>comex: no, certainly not ia64
20:34<witte>comex: you can choose i386 or amd64, both have their advantages and disadvantages...
20:34<witte>dpkg: where are you?
20:34<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
20:34<dpkg>I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986
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20:35<comex>witte's gone
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20:36<witte>wow i got kicked for typing to fast
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20:37<comex>it was your internet connection
20:37<oddtod>thats brutal
20:37<dpkg>it has been said that nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at
20:37<comex>dumb me thought that amd64 is only for amd
20:37<witte>I do not know, maybe there is just a big lag, but is it only at my place or is the total channel
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20:39<comex>time to wait for a new debian disk to burn :(
20:39<Cackette>How do I check my internal (network) IP
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20:40<witte>comex: you can also use the i386 disk
20:40<witte>Cackette: /sbin/ifconfig
20:40<witte>comex: the difference in performance is low, and you will be able to play flash (et al) natively
20:40<Cackette>that'd be inet address (
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20:40<witte>comex: if you have a server, go for amd64, if you have a desktop ==> depends
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20:41<comex>witte: I care more about speed than flash, plus nspluginwrapper
20:41<witte>Cackette: that could be so (you probably have a home router?)
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20:41<dpkg>one warez list being sent to riccardo
20:41<Cackette>how can i set it to be a static inet address
20:41<witte>Cackette: edit /etc/network/interfaces
20:42<Cackette>what do i edit in there
20:42<comex> is what i use
20:42<comex>(for cackette)
20:42<witte>Cackette: google "edit /etc/network/interfaces"
20:43<Cackette>so, comex, should i get rid of "allow-hotplug eth0"
20:43<comex>you probably want to keep that
20:44<Cackette>so, how do i make sure its set
20:44<Cackette>once i save
20:44<comex>ifdown eth0
20:44<comex>ifup eth0
20:44<comex>assuming you use eth0 of course
20:44<Cackette>/etc/network/interfaces:13: option with empty value
20:44<Cackette>ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
20:44<witte>alternatively you can do "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
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20:44<comex>Cackette: so what's on line 13
20:46<dpkg>one warez list being sent to riccardo
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20:47<Cackette>back =)
20:47<Tuplad>witte: I think I am well educated now, I'll go for ext3
20:47<Tuplad>witte: I now need a program to format it, right ? I heard gparted is a good one
20:48<Cackette>i had put a . instead of a space on line 13
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20:49<witte>Tuplad: gparted is a partitioning tool
20:50<Cackette>how do i open a .torrent thru wine uTorrent
20:50<witte>Tuplad: i am not sure it will also format, but it probably will
20:50<Cackette>uTorrent isnt available in the pulldown menu
20:50<Cackette>so where would i find it in the file system
20:50<witte>Tuplad: just try is :-), i do these things mostly using cli
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20:50<Tuplad>witte: roger that, what risks am I having ? :D
20:50<witte>Cackette: which utorrent
20:50<Tuplad>witte: can I totally fuck up my harddrive ?
20:50<Cackette>what do you mean witte
20:51<witte>Cackette: type "which utorrent"
20:51<comex>Cackette: why do you want to use utorrent
20:51<Cackette>cuz i know how to configure it
20:51<Cackette>i was using GNOME Torrent and it was really slow
20:51<comex>try ktorrent
20:51<witte>Tuplad: like in destroy? i do not think so, but you will of course loose all the data
20:51<Cackette>i like uTorrent though
20:52<Cackette>its installed and open thru wine, i just need to find it in the iceweasel download menu
20:52<comex>You're trying to find the .torrent file?
20:52<Tuplad>witte: at this moment there isnt anything valuable to lose
20:53<Cackette>trying to find where uTorrent is stored
20:53<witte>Tuplad: in that case all should go as planned ;-)
20:53<Tuplad>ok, roger that, thanks!
20:53<Tuplad>and no, gparted cant format
20:53<witte>Tuplad: gparted looks like partition manager in case you know that program
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20:54<witte>Tuplad: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXY
20:56<Tuplad>witte: what does that do?
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20:56<witte>Tuplad: mkfs = make filesystem and /dev/sdXY is your disk
20:56<witte>Tuplad: but you need to fill in the X and the Y
20:57<Cackette>i cant find where uTorrent is store
20:57<witte>Tuplad: and you need to do that when the disk is not mounted
20:57<Cackette>which uTorrent turns up nothing
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20:57<Tuplad>witte: roger that
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20:57<Tuplad>witte: but if the disk is not mounted, how can I do that?
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20:58<witte>Tuplad: you assign the command to the device /dev/sdXY
20:58<witte>Tuplad: btw /dev/sdXY is probably something like /dev/sde1
20:59<witte>Tuplad: or maybe /dev/sda1
20:59<Tuplad> /dev/sda it is
20:59<witte>Tuplad: no 1 behind it, that means not partitioned and used as one big one
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21:00<Tuplad>witte: may I send you a pm ? :]
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21:21<Tuplad>witte: it's done now or what ? :O
21:22<witte>Tuplad: that's everything
21:23<Tuplad>witte: I'm getting an error though
21:23<witte>you should add it to /etc/fstab if you want to load it at boot
21:23<Tuplad>oh, yeah, good idea!
21:23<witte>which error
21:23<Tuplad>dmesg | tail is saying: FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
21:23<Tuplad>VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1.
21:23<Tuplad>and when I try to open it it says: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
21:24<witte>Tuplad: very good, you don't have a valid fat filesystem there ;-)
21:24<Tuplad>I guess it should go in fstab and it'll work
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21:24<witte>Tuplad: indeed
21:25<witte>something like "/dev/sda1 /home ext3 defaults 0 2"
21:25<Tuplad>instead of home I'll go with /mnt/externhdd
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21:27<Tuplad>witte: it now says I don't have enough rights to mount it -__-"
21:27<witte>Tuplad: ok, change default to default,user
21:27<witte>that is "defaults,user"
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21:28<witte>and if you do not want it mounted at boot, but only if you explicitly ask it to mount, add noauto as well
21:29<Tuplad>witte: explicitly ask it to mount -> like how ? by trying to access it? I usually try to access it with nautilus
21:29<Tuplad>everything I mount, just go in there and it gets mounted
21:29<witte>Tuplad: by or typing "mount /dev/sda1" or by clicking on some icon
21:30<Tuplad>oh yes, that I like
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21:30<witte>Tuplad: could be that nautilus does that automatically
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21:30<Tuplad>witte: yes :)
21:30<Tuplad>witte: thanks a BUNCH!
21:30<witte>the advantage is that you do not get complaints if you boot and you do not have your external disk powered on
21:31<Tuplad>yep :)
21:31<Tuplad>the speed is awesome!
21:32<Tuplad>so if I, for example, give it to someone who uses linux at home, he wont be able to browse it ? :O
21:33<witte>he will be able to browse it
21:33<witte>he can do the same thing as you can
21:33<Tuplad>I guess I misunderstood wikipedia then
21:34<witte>the only slight problem he may encounter is that his default uid is different than yours, but as he can mount, he can access everything as root
21:34<Tuplad>well, this is just awesome I must say!
21:34<witte>you want encryption
21:34<Tuplad>no no, really
21:34<Tuplad>this is really something I'll just use at home
21:34<Tuplad>just storage for movies and music
21:35<witte>the thing is, if you put something on it, under your user, and make it chmod 700, your sister/brother/mother can not access it, unless they are root
21:36<witte>when you consider security and the system can be physically accessed, it becomes VERY difficult
21:36<Tuplad>um, did I get this right ? to access it they need to be at my computer ?
21:36<Tuplad>oh no, don't worry about that :)
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21:37<witte>well, i am not sure what you mean
21:37<Tuplad>Don't worry about the security
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21:37<Tuplad>No one is accessing it physically
21:37<witte>ok, but you should!
21:37<Tuplad>My computer and hdd are untouched
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21:39<Tuplad>they are untouched by other people so putting encryption on it is not needed
21:39<witte>Tuplad: i agree, none of my systems has encryption
21:39<witte>although i should do it on my usb stick
21:40<witte>once i get one with more than 32 MB memory :-)
21:40<Tuplad>hah, I guess karma will teach me, but I don't know what to hide >_<
21:40<Tuplad>hahaha :D
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21:45<Tuplad>witte: everything in my /mnt is mounted as 777, is it safe ? :] because I guess I can rm -rf everything from there :o
21:46<witte>that depends on what you put into it
21:46<kop>Can I nat on the tun interface? I want to use openvpn, but both ends are on the same subnet.
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21:47<witte>you can make your own directory with 755 permissions, or you can change everything in it
21:47<witte>I usually have 755 for the directories in /mnt
21:47<Tuplad>witte: what do I put it in ? basically everything.
21:47<Tuplad>witte: I have a 100 or 120gb harddrive, and only 10gb for home
21:47<witte>Tuplad: probably only data ;-)
21:47<Tuplad>all my music and all other data is in /mnt
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21:48<witte>of course if you chmod 755, also make sure that you chown -R tuplad:tuplad the directory
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21:49<Tuplad>chown is to set the owner right ?
21:49<kop>witte , Tuplad : In the FWIW catagory, stuff that's more or less permanently mounted might belong in /srv/, as long as you're starting out.
21:49<Tuplad>it never mattered though, it always appears as root to me
21:49<Tuplad>kop: :o
21:50<kop>Tuplad :
21:50<kop>Tuplad : There's a package too if you want the docs local.
21:51<Tuplad>haha I was just reading that
21:51<witte>kop: it is not described in man hier
21:52<witte>in any case you do as you want, but be consistent and don't do stupid things (like call hte external drive X11 and mount it under /usr/lib/
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21:52<Tuplad>lool :d
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21:54<Tuplad>witte: so what's the difference between 755 and 777 ?
21:54<Tuplad>witte: if I do 755 and rm -rf / (as user, not root) will it get destroyed?
21:54<kop>witte : (I also just found it in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/
21:54<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
21:55<witte>Tuplad: yes
21:55<Tuplad>witte: so I should demote the owner from "write" rights?
21:55<Tuplad>that'd be 555 then
21:56<witte>Tuplad: if you want it read only, you can or mount it read only (ro as option in fstab) or use 555, or 500, or 550, whatever fits best for your system
21:56<witte>but in that case, you can not add stuff to your disk
21:56<Tuplad>under root I can, right?
21:56<witte>yes, but you shouldn't
21:57<Tuplad>I understand
21:57<Tuplad>so I should just let it be
21:57<Tuplad>and be careful
21:57<witte>you can make two directories: /mnt/extdrive_ro and /mnt/extdrive_rw (or /srv) and if you only on specific times want to write, mount it rw
21:58<kop>Tuplad: If you're interested in sharing files between users google for "user private group".
21:58<witte>an other option is mounting it under an other user and use scp something other_user@localhost:/mnt/...
21:59<witte>Tuplad: but i thing that just be careful and use 755 will do just fine
21:59<Tuplad>well guys, thanks a bunch!
21:59<Tuplad>now I have a working external harddrive, I know more about security and all that fuss
21:59<Tuplad>it's exactly 4am now and I'm off to bed :|
22:00[~]Tuplad waves.
22:01<witte>kop: you are right about the fhs, it is also in debian, but i usually look at "man hier" to check it out, but my systems are not that complex
22:01<witte>Tuplad: cu
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22:02<kop>witte : man is painless
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22:04<Cackette>Whats the best way to play a .mpg in debian
22:05<Cackette>noatun is insufficient
22:05<witte>Cackette: i use mplayer (or xine), but you need debian-multimedia for that
22:05<witte>!tell Cackette about dmm
22:06<Cackette>yeah, i have that already
22:06<Cackette>from getting MythTV i believe
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22:07<Cackette>hrmm, thats not working
22:07<Cackette>it will play the audio, but not the video
22:08<Cackette>FATAL ERROR! Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
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22:10<Nemoder>Cackette: try -vo sdl or -vo gl
22:11<Cackette>i got it to work in Movie Player
22:11<Nemoder>intel video chipset by chance?
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22:12<Cackette>nvidia 6600
22:12<Nemoder>oh, strange
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22:24<Cackette>How about playing a .wmv
22:25<witte>!tell Cackette about w32codecs
22:25<witte>Cackette: and when you have installed the w32codecs package, you play them with mplayer, xine or whatever
22:26<Cackette>is xine or mplayer better in your opinion
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22:27<witte>i use mplayer for everything except watching dvd's, then i use xine
22:27<witte>they are both ok, nothing bad about them
22:28<Cackette>what do you use for IRC? right now i'm using Xchat
22:28<witte>i use rcirc in emacs ;-)
22:28<Cackette>so youre not on debian?
22:29<dpkg>emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift]
22:29<kop>witte: Have you seen mg? A teeny emacs.
22:29<Cackette>so whats the point of emacs?
22:29<witte>kop: nope, does it support auctex?
22:29<witte>Cackette: it is an editor
22:29<Cackette>i thought it was an apple computer lol
22:30<witte>apple computers also run debian ;-)
22:30<kop>witte : Dunno. I use it when I want a really small footprint.
22:30<Cackette>w/ all that new parallels stuff?
22:30<witte>and i think emacs is older than apple
22:30<kop>witte : That sounds right.
22:30<witte>kop: I'll have a look at it
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22:32<witte>they are both from 1976 :-)
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22:47<witte>kop: mg is nice, it will most likely replace nano for me ;-)
22:47<witte>kop: that is if i do not forget about it :P
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22:54<kop>witte: The brain, a consistent troublemaker.
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22:55<kop>How would I go about making a second tun interface? Where do I look for, I presume udev, docs? I want to nat on a tun interface, sometimes, and it seems safer to have a second one around to do that with.
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22:59<witte>kop: what is tun
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22:59<kop>witte : It's a tunnel interface, for IP over IP. Used in VPNs.
23:00<dpkg>well, tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
23:00<kop>witte : Yeah, but isn't it up to udev to make all that stuff?
23:01<witte>kop: ok, can't help you on this one, i really do not know anything about it
23:01<kop>witte : (And I'd have to use another minor number if I wanted a second one. Which could be a mistake.)
23:02<witte>> How can I get /dev/net/tun devices created via udev?
23:02<witte>You load the tun/tap driver
23:02<witte>from a website
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23:03<kop>witte: ?
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23:04<witte>kop: the line starting with > and the one with You are pasted from a webforum
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23:05<kop>witte : Ah. I already have one /dev/net/tun. I want another so I can run NAT on it, without breaking the first.
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23:06<kop>witte : I don't know a lot about tun myself. Maybe you're only allowed one....
23:11<witte>kop: can you not make /dev/net/tun1 and /dev/net/tun0 with the mknod command
23:11<witte>i think you can use the same numbers (from what my googling skills told me
23:11<kop>witte : Humm. According to /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/Documentation/devices.txt.gz there can only be one tun device.
23:11<kop>witte : Anyhow there's only one major/minor number pair.
23:12<chealer>!tell Cackette about wmv
23:12<knewt>kop: /dev/net/tun is just a control device. you open it, and using an ioctl ask it to create either a tun or tap device, at which point a new tunX or tapX network device is created
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23:13<kop>knewt : Thanks!
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23:15<knewt>kop: according to the Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt, the best example of using tun/tap is vtun (
23:15<kop>Ok. This is good. I can tell openvpn to issue a iptables command to turn on nat on the interface after the route comes up. Openvpn will tell the command the tun interface it's made.
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23:16<knewt>uml also uses it
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23:16<knewt>ah, yes, and openvpn as well of course :)
23:16<knewt>had strangely forgotten about that, even though i have openvpn tunnels set up myself
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23:17<kop>knewt : I don't suppose you've had to connect the same subnet on both ends? (Without bridging or otherwise coordinating the IP allocations on either end?)
23:19<Gryfelhase>is there no tool to format a fat32 partition in etch ?!?
23:19<Gryfelhase>(not vfat)
23:20<witte>Gryfelhase: is vfat not the same as fat32?
23:20<knewt>kop: nah, sorry. that is a tricky one, yeah. i'll probably be doing so soon, and i'm just considering changing one of the subnets entirely :)
23:20<Gryfelhase>witte: Aehm.... vfat is the long-filename-system for fat16 disks, afaik
23:20<kop>Gryfelhase : dosfstools
23:21<gsimmons>Gryfelhase: Use mkdosfs ('dosfstools' package). You'll need to explictly state the FAT size.
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23:22<witte>Gryfelhase: man mkfs.vfat, and check option -F
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23:22<kop>knewt : ;) I think I've got a plan. You run another openvpn. Then configure it without "server", using instead what "server" expands to. You tell openvpn to nat on the tun interface, and tweak the "server" directives to account for the natting. Hopefully.
23:23<Gryfelhase>thx @all
23:23<kop>knewt : (Openvpn won't nat itself, you have it run an iptables.)
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23:25<kop>Gryfelhase : If you need to make a bootable fat16 partition check out the freedos project.
23:26<knewt>witte: it sort of goes fat(12) > fat(16) > vfat > fat32. but a bit more detail is that vfat is fat(12/16) with long file name support (which was, as everyone knows, implemented as a collosal hack for backwards compatibility reasons). fat32 is really just an enhancement of fat12/16, with the vfat extras also being present.
23:27<knewt>and yeah, that was probably more than you cared to know *g*
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23:29<witte>knewt: thanks ;-)
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23:35<twb>I thought vfat was just a driver name
23:35<twb>I didn't know it was a standard as well.
23:36<kop>twb: Standard, maybe not. It did come from MS after all.
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23:36<twb>Fair enough
23:37<kop>twb: I don't know for a fact where it came from. Maybe they bought it, or swiped it from Dr.Dos. So don't quote me. Anyhow, it's a fs.
23:41<knewt>vfat stands for virtual-fat. although part of it is the long file name extensions, the name in general comes from it being the name of the replacement filesystem driver they wrote, which also did other stuff like having 32-bit support and such. this waaaaaaay back in the days of windows 3.1 for workgroups. jeeze, makes me feel ancient ;)
23:42<Cackette>hrmm, winRAR isnt in apt-get?
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23:43<witte>Cackette: apt-cache search rar
23:43<witte>Cackette: you will be surprised to hear that winrar is in fact for windows ;-)
23:43<dpkg>rumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar>
23:43<Cackette>their site says its for linux as well
23:43<Cackette>RAR 3.71 for Linux
23:44<witte>Cackette: rar is supported
23:44<witte>Cackette: apt-get install rar unrar
23:44<Cackette>package rar is unavailbale
23:45<knewt>you probably want unrar. both are non-free, but rar is shareware whereas unrar isn't. there's an unrar-free as well, but it doesn't support rar 3.0 files, which is a /lot/ of them
23:45<kop>witte: aptitude over apt-get.
23:46<Cackette>no candidate version found for unrar
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23:46<knewt>oh, and you'll obviously need the non-free repos in your sources.list
23:46<gsimmons>Cackette: 'rar' and 'unrar' are non-free packages. You'll need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly to include non-free sources, before you can install them.
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23:46<Cackette>ok, what do i add
23:47<gsimmons>!tell Cackette -about non-free sources
23:47<witte>kop: yes, but i only use apt-get (so that is easier to type ;-))
23:47<knewt>Cackette: find the line with <dist> main and add non-free after main
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23:48<knewt>witte: hmm. aptitude is /much/ better with dependencies and stuff than apt-get typically
23:48<dpkg>rumour has it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
23:48<knewt>especially when it comes to removing stuff
23:49<witte>knewt: apt-get now also mentions: you installed this, but you do not need it anymore, and there is also deborphan
23:49<dpkg>rumour has it, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0).
23:50<witte>knewt: but i am aware that i should advise people to use aptitude instead off apt-get (and i am just stubborn :-))
23:50<witte>!tell gurpreet about selftell
23:50<gurpreet>knewt, which is better? apt-get or aptitude
23:51<knewt>gurpreet: i'd say, if you don't have a specific reason for using apt-get, use aptitude
23:51<gurpreet>knewt, please tell me the reason too
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23:52<gurpreet>witte, means i will now have to convince someone to do !stuff for me :)
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23:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, ...
23:53<witte>gurpreet: what do you mean?
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23:53<gurpreet>witte, nothing, just kidding
23:53<knewt>witte: i, of course, do have such a specific reason for using apt-get on one, and only one, box that really needs a complete overhaul anyway. said reason being that i did something to totally confuse aptitude at one point, and now if i try and do anything with it it wants to remove 54 packages, including such minor inconsequential things as openssh-server *g*
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23:55<knewt>now yeah, i could go into the aptitude "gui" and fix things, but i'm lazy
23:57<witte>knewt: i never really had problems with apt-get, so I remain using it, but that does not mean it is better :)
23:57<cjmrdc>i got apt-cache working, thanks for the tip earlier =P
23:57<gurpreet>i've been using apt-get till now, so there must be many unremoved dependencies of removed packages left on my system. how can i fix this now?
23:58<witte>gurpreet: deborphan
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