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---Logopened Sat Dec 29 00:00:15 2007
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00:00<knewt>witte: one thing i've got used to, and really miss if it's not there (but isn't an aptitude over apt-get thing) is package tab completion. really is lovely
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00:00<witte>knewt: yes, that is in bash_completion i guess?
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00:04<kop>gurpreet: Then use aptitude "markauto" and "unmarkauto" to keep it from happening in the future.
00:04<knewt>witte: yep. apt-get, aptitude, apt-cache, dpkg, dpkg-* etc etc
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00:04<knewt>witte: ooh, and deborphan adds into bash_completion as well
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00:07<gurpreet>kop, reading the links dpkg told me in its aptitude actoid
00:08<knewt>ok, time for some sleep methinks, it being 5am
00:09<witte>knewt, i agree, but it is 6 here
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00:11<Gryfelhase>Hi.... I want to reserve 3 primary partitions for an (optional) windows-installation, Does anyone know, if this partitions must have a specified size (say multiple of 4 Mbyte or soemthing like that)?
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00:27<kop>Gryfelhase : IIRC it does not matter. Except that MS won't boot except off the first partition. I forget the way around this, maybe bios partition mapping or some such sillyness?
00:28<kop>Gryfelhase : My MS knowlege is dated and increasingly incomplete.
00:29<kop>Gryfelhase : Oh yeah. Grub has some sort of partition re-mapping for such cicumstances. MS people know more. They like to have multiple copies of the borg!
00:31<Requiem>Um, know a bit on the MS stuff (kinda my job)
00:31<Requiem>standard advice for dual boots is to install whatever the most recent version of windows first, and the linux stuff last
00:32<Requiem>as generally, the install will destroy anything MS doesn't want you to have
00:32<Gryfelhase>now, I 'll have to reinstall grub if I ever install windows :)
00:32<Requiem>if you're not careful, you'll be reinstalling Linux too
00:32<Gryfelhase>WIndows never destroyed linux-paritions so far, as I can remeber (on my computer)
00:33<Requiem>windows sees non NTFS/FAT32 partitions as unpartitioned space
00:33<Requiem>just don't use the windows partitioners and you should be fine there though
00:33<Gryfelhase>yes, but I'm formating the 1st 3 paritions to msdos, fat32 and ntfs
00:34<Gryfelhase>so I can install it on a formated partition (if I ever do so)
00:34<Requiem>eh, just keep in mind that the windows installer is the enemy and you'll be good then
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00:34<Requiem>(I seriously hate that thing)
00:35<Gryfelhase>I was just thinking, what the installer may do, if the partitions (primary) doesn't fit the exact size, that windows may expect
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00:36<Gryfelhase>if it leaves free space between the partitions, and if this could corrupt the partition-table
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01:14<Scoop>I installed debian And then installed kde through X and when i try to start kde with startx i get " Cannot stat /etc/X11/X no such file or dir " so i did ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/X /etc/X11/X now i get error that it points back to X wrapper executable....
01:14<Scoop>can someone help
01:15<kop>Scoop : So, you had X running?
01:15<Scoop>its like int he console not sure if thats called X or whatever
01:15<streuner>Scoop: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
01:16<Scoop>it doesnt say anything it just goes to this > like it wants another command
01:17<kop>Scoop : You're not supposed to type the quotes. (which you din't close.)
01:18<Scoop>doh i did the end one by accident
01:18<Scoop>it says libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: shared libraries
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01:23<streuner>dpkg install x
01:23<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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01:25<Scoop>since i already installed Kde will install xorg after this create a problem ?
01:25<kop>Scoop : Shouldn't
01:25<streuner>well, it rather solve a problem, KDE wouldnt work without X
01:26<Scoop>also will kde start automatically now or do i have to configure that ?
01:26<kop>Scoop : It's not like MS, where things overwrite each other.
01:27<kop>Scoop : If there's a problem then a dpkg-reconfigure or a "dpkg reinstall" should do the trick.
01:28<Scoop>thats handy
01:29<Scoop>this has nothing to do with it just chat Can you make a raid with an ide and a sata hd ?
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01:31<Scoop>oooh this is pretty :)
01:32<kop>Scoop : Sure.
01:32<Scoop>would there be benifits to it
01:33<kop>Scoop : Depending on the kind of raid, yup. See also lvm.
01:33<Scoop>you know any good site or something i can read about doing this ?
01:33<dpkg>methinks md is <software raid> in Linux. Moldova. Medical Doctor
01:34<kop>Scoop : Try the reference manual at Or maybe the install manual too.
01:34[~]streuner just found a very good german "Software RAID HOWTO" :-)
01:34<Scoop>thats helpfull if your german
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01:35<streuner>its helpful too, if you are familiar with google ;-)
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01:35<Scoop>i like howtoforge ive used them before they have good tutorials
01:36<streuner>Scoop: keep in mind, it should mention "etch", there are some old HOWTOs around which doesnt help much anymore
01:36<luis>hi folks
01:37<streuner>yeah, sounds good to me (without reading)
01:38<luis>Is it possible to have a single PC with 2 videocards (one AGP, another PCI), two monitors and sets of keyboard and mouse, so i can open another X session in the other monitor? and work with that another keyboard and mouse?? (somethink like a dummy terminal)
01:38<bookshelf>I have a computer that simply cannot bear using GDM (or any display manager, for that matter), but needs X to start and auto-login on boot. I tried using "su -c startx user" as some postings on the mailing list suggested, but this is my output: . Everything works fine when I type "startx" after logging in as the same user. Any ideas?
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01:39<bookshelf>(I added "su -c startx user" to my /etc/rc.local, that is)
01:39<streuner>Scoop: seems to be the english version :-)
01:43<Scoop>lol yea
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01:44[~]streuner doesnt like that concept much, looks for german results, but if you are in .de and use it search for german results too...
01:45<streuner>it just re-direct you to
01:47<streuner>s/are in .de/using a german IP/
01:48<kop>luis : Yes. xinerama
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01:51<kop>luis : Oops. Didn't read your entire question. it's too late.
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01:51<kop>luis : You need 2 of everything. And then don't need xinerama.
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02:07<stab>I am connected to a small LAN at a sharehouse that has ADSL should i setup a firewall on the desktop or will this only protect against LAN attacks?
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02:30<Scoop>can someone suggest a partioning tool for kde enviro with a gui ?
02:30<dondelelcaro>Scoop: you're really better off just learning how to use cfdisk or fdisk; they're really not that hard.
02:31<bremner>Scoop: gparted works fine (with gtk interface) qtparted should also be OK; I have a vague memory it is not as up to date
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02:31<bremner>can't the *parteds do some fancy things with moving partitions etc... that *fdisks cannot?
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02:32<Scoop>is it possible to change partion layout of your boot drive ?
02:32<bremner>Scoop: yes, although not without risk
02:32<bremner>Scoop: make a backup
02:33<dondelelcaro>bremner: it can all be done with fdisk and dd, but the parteds do make some more complex things easier.
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02:33<bremner>gparted has been good to me over the years
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02:33<Scoop>well its new system so not a big deal
02:34<Scoop>I just need to make some partions smaller cause i cant make a raid otherwise
02:34<dondelelcaro>Scoop: then you want qtparted or similar.
02:34<Scoop>one drive is 4 times the size of the toher
02:35<bremner>Scoop: if you have this problem a lot, you might consider using lvm (although this only helps with linux partitions)
02:35<Scoop>well this is the first time ive tried setting up a raid
02:35<Scoop>and when i try and make the two drives identicle i cant due to one drive being 750 gigz and the other being only 180
02:36[~]bremner knows nothing about raid.
02:36<Scoop>is it normal for gparted to scan for devices forever ?
02:36<Scoop>neither do i thats why im doing it :)
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02:45<oddtod>hey guys is there a software there a software that will let me upload files and convert my files to videos on the fly?
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03:25<oddtod>hey guys i can ping local computers but can't get out i assume its my DNS how do i configure my dns
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03:29<marco_>oddtod, that's a bit vague. If you have a LAN, I assume it's a NAT (192.168.x.x) and you have a router going to the outside? Have you hardcoded DNS on your other computers?
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03:30<oddtod>its 10.0.0.x but no i haven't hardcoded dns for my systems
03:30<oddtod>rest of the systems are dhcp this one is static
03:32<marco_>Check 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' your nameservers should be there..
03:33<oddtod>no such file
03:34<oddtod>fixed it thanks marco
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04:15<TheLegend>I have one question
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04:16<TheLegend>i have installed rtorrent
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04:16<TheLegend>but now i'd like to install rtgui
04:16<TheLegend>the web control for this program
04:17<TheLegend>but i can't
04:17<TheLegend>configure apache with XML-RPC
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04:23<xander>i need a s/w for mounting my nokia n73
04:23<xander>can anyone tell me???
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04:55<gurpreet>what is slit in fluxbox?
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06:00<cool-tv>bjr une personne peut m'aider pour lire les dvd sur ubuntu
06:01<cahoot>cool-tv: probably on an ubuntu oriented channel
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06:07<fxiny>hello : any sid user ? there is a bug in sid mrxvt-0.5.3 as for . i've checked sid mrxvt-0.5.3 sources cause i want thet version on etch . rxvt.h line 1235 is wrong . if not patched it segfault when launched with more then 9 prolfiles . .i've patched it and compiled it on etch --with-max-prifiles=10 and it works just fine . of course i have not discovered
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06:14<j_>somoeone here?
06:14<j_>i'd like to install a video server like auvisio on linux
06:14<rick__>Iḿ here withq question
06:14<j_>does so have an idea?
06:15<rick__>actually I'm here to ask why it is said that debian 4 rev2 is out, but there is'nt a single iso of it on the internet
06:17<Woland>have anybody brought up ar5007eg on amd64?
06:20<gsimmons>rick__: I'd imagine they are being finalised. As stated in the 4.0r2 update announcement, new images will be available soon.
06:21<rick__>then, why the announcement before having something to release?
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06:23<rick__>since when debian need vaporware ala MS
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06:25<azeem>rick__: the announcements are sent out when the ftp mirror has them, not when the cds are ready
06:25<rick__>I don't understand
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06:26<azeem>rick__: what part did you not understand?
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06:27<rick__>the ftp contain only packages, right?, but a new net-install, regular -install, would be easier with cdrom/dvds images ready
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06:28<azeem>rick__: that's right, but doesn't really explain why you claim "vapourware
06:28<azeem>besides, you can build your own cd images with debian-cd if you fancy
06:28<rick__>because the release ins't ready for the public use
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06:29<rick__>I mean by that something\
06:29<azeem>rick__: you can perfectly apt-get dist-upgrade to it
06:29<rick__>manageable like something to install
06:29<rick__>but I'll have download the rev1, to install rev2, via apt
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06:30<azeem>it's an incremental update, not that many packages changed
06:30<azeem>and it's only for a few days
06:30<azeem>so I don't see your point and will drop out of this discussion now
06:30<rick__>I did'nt meant to be offensive by mentioning "vaporware", it just seems odd
06:30<azeem>you also mentioned "MS"
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06:32<rick__>If I hve offended you, then I'm sorry. It was just a playful, humoristic observation
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06:33<azeem>I wasn't offended, I just labelled you as "troll" mentally
06:33<azeem>... initially
06:33<rick__>ok, thanks for your help
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06:42<fxiny>i've checked etch mrxvt sources and they are ok (just some of 'em :)) . about sid : is not a debian fault , sourceforge supplied sources are not pathced yest against MAX_NFONTS mistyping
06:43<fxiny>but now i have a mrxvt with loads of profiles and tabs :)))
06:44<fxiny>a 5 profiles limit sucks :P
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06:49<Tupla1>I mounted an external harddrive yesterday, and today, I started my pc and everything just starts crashing... my Opera would close, my other chat clients would close, my comp did those *peep*peep* sounds... after like 5 crashes I unplugged the externalhdd and now it's less, so far only my gnome panel crashed :o what could it be ? can a mount affect my system so much ?
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07:02<fxiny>Tupla1: paste your fstab somewhere
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07:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:03<Tupla1>one second
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07:05<Tupla1>the latest is my hard drive
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07:05<Tupla1>the external harddrive
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07:06<sdfsdfsdf>when im in knoppix live whats root pwd?
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07:06<sdfsdfsdf>i mean pzassword
07:06<azeem>sdfsdfsdf: please ask in #knoppix on
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07:10<Tuplad>fxiny: (comp crashed) here is my fstab:
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07:11<Scoop>dpkg Xorg
07:11<dpkg>well, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
07:12<Scoop>dpkg get xorg
07:12<dpkg>X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge>
07:12<sdfsdfsdf>ndiswrapper is cool
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07:13<cahoot>cool like a prosthesis
07:14<Scoop>my girlfriend has a prostetic penis
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07:14<Scoop>she uses it when im not around (;0/
07:14<cahoot>thanks for sharing
07:15<Scoop>i figured at 7:00 am its goos to share things uf such useless knowledge
07:16<Maulkin>Absolutely. On #moocows possibly, but not #debian
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07:19<fxiny>Scoop: yahhh go to moocows : join the Earp brothers playground , take the vib with you :P
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07:19<fxiny>Tuplad: any log errors ?
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07:20<Silensius>does anyoe explain me how can i do a backup of my hidden recovery system partition on a ibm lenovo R52 ?
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07:20<Silensius>and restore it must i also do a backup of the MBR
07:21<twb>the mbr is just dd if=/dev/yow bs=512 count=1 of=yow-mrb
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07:21<twb>Actually that also includes the partition table.
07:21<twb>The mbr itself is something like 442 bytes
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07:22<fxiny>twb: hmmm : is your "w" for werner ? i'm just curious as always ;)
07:23<clone>my flash player doesn't go full screen
07:23<Scoop>#moocows is dead there all zzzzzZZ
07:23<fxiny>wait a little : they are in the saloon :P
07:24<Scoop>no i think they were in a saloon but now all passed out
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07:24<Tuplad>fxiny: how do I check the log?
07:24<Scoop>and why would i wanna chat in a over forties transexual channel lol
07:25<noflash> /ignore -replies Scoop
07:25<fxiny>dmesg . /var/log/messages
07:25<Scoop>thats not nice
07:25<twb>Scoop: there's some other kind of channel?
07:26<Scoop>... just seems irrelevant im not over 40 and i am not transexual :(
07:26<twb>Scoop: that's what they ALL say
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07:27<Scoop>well if i was transexual ide share it with the world what would be cooler then have bolth worlds in one
07:27<Tuplad>fxiny: shall I copy it to a pastebin ?
07:27<Scoop>thats like Linux and wine
07:28<fxiny>Tuplad: yes , i'm playng with some sources . i'll have a look at it , luckily someone else will check it
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07:29<fxiny>i need this mrxvt 5.3.1 over here today
07:29<Tuplad>ok :)
07:29<Scoop>sorry ill shutup now unless i have something worthy to save in #debian there are too many grumpy people roaming around
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07:36<clone>my flash player doesn't go full screen
07:36<fxiny>atrope can die :P
07:37<cahoot>clone: mplayer -fs or such?
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07:40<pretender84> /msg dpkg no public key
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07:41<fxiny>Tuplad: i'm sorry . i get no idea by reading your logs . i noticed something about utf and fat but i don't use utf nor fat , i have a fstab line for a usb like : auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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07:44<twb>fxiny: if sda1 is his external device, it would be better to -o noauto and pass=0
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07:44<twb>Unless it's geniunely wanted to mount it at boot and fsck it
07:44<twb>I notice there's no sysfs
07:45<fxiny>twb: agree ; i have a dead iomega lline for sd as well . stilla
07:45<fxiny>still pass 0
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07:47<maliks7>can some one give me the list of latetst repositories from where i can down load all the multimedia stuff?
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07:47<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
07:48<fxiny>oh at least : now i have Mrxvt.profile8.workingDirectory sorted . need to get macros running then i'll install on etch
07:48<guldhammer>Hi Debian Experts
07:48<guldhammer>i seek some help
07:48<guldhammer>First a warm thanks from Denmark. I really like the guides from this website.
07:48<guldhammer>First with a empty computer, I followed the guide, from chapter 1 to 7, 10 to 13 and 15 to 18.
07:48<guldhammer>It works, apache, mysql, phpmyadmin and so on. Works really good.
07:48<guldhammer>Then I followed the, from chapter 3 (the system has mysql installed from above guide).
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07:49<fxiny>i can open up to 20 tabs and 20 profiles , not too bad :)
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07:49<guldhammer>First a warm thanks from Denmark. I really like the guides from this website.
07:49<guldhammer>First with a empty computer, I followed the guide, from chapter 1 to 7, 10 to 13 and 15 to 18.
07:49<guldhammer>It works, apache, mysql, phpmyadmin and so on. Works really good.
07:49<guldhammer>Then I followed the, from chapter 3 (the system has mysql installed from above guide).
07:49<guldhammer>This works also pretty nice, but - when I adds a user via mysql and tries to login with the specified username/password - I get a login failure. It seems that the ftp server aproves my username but not the password.
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07:49<guldhammer>I did a guide walk through several times, but all information seems to follow the guide.
07:49<guldhammer>Does any one have a solution.
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07:50<guldhammer>I hope someone can help me with this problem
07:51<guldhammer>sorry for flooding before
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07:53<Scoop>guld ive had this problem many times
07:53<Scoop>but your problem is with mysql correct and not proftpd ?
07:54<Scoop>or pure*
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07:55<guldhammer>i dont know, but it seems that it find my username but not my password
07:55<Scoop>i dont understand your problem you cant login via ftp or via mysql ?
07:55<guldhammer>i cant login via ftp
07:55<Scoop>not sure why you just pasted a link to ftp login problems but stated you have a mysql issue
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07:56<Scoop>you try logging in with a secondary account you created on debian ?
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07:56<guldhammer>yes, and its the same problem
07:56<Scoop>its not like windows you have to either have an actual account on the sysem or have virtual users setup
07:57<guldhammer>virtual users?
07:57<Scoop>try this first
07:57<Scoop>do useradd in console as root
07:58<Scoop>like useradd whatever
07:58<Scoop>then change to that user set a pass try logging in through ftp now
07:59<Scoop>or you could do useradd -p password username sorry im half awake
08:00<guldhammer>thats okay
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08:00<Scoop>after youce created some test user try logging in through ftp
08:01<guldhammer>is it possible to lock users to a directory by useraccounts?
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08:01<cool-tv>bjr qui pourrias me dire comment faire pour lire mes dvd sur ubuntu
08:01<Scoop>dpkg es
08:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:02<Scoop>guldhammer yes
08:02<amphi>Scoop: that's .fr ;)
08:02<guldhammer>i mean, i i create a useraccount, is it possible to lock that user to a specific dir?
08:02<Scoop>rofl woops
08:02<Scoop>like im supposed to know
08:02<Scoop>yea now that i see it it doesnt look spanish my bad
08:02<amphi>cool-tv: #ubuntu on
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08:03<Scoop>well when you create a user the only permission theyll have is in /home/username
08:03<Scoop>unless you specify permissions to other files etc
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08:04<Scoop>as far as locking to a specific dir youde have to ask someone with more knowledge of ftp
08:05<Scoop>i think that has to do with virtual users
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08:05<Scoop>which ive never needed to do so dunno
08:05<guldhammer>it sounds like that
08:05<guldhammer>thanks for your help
08:05<Scoop>yup no prob
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08:06<leonidas>Hi Guys, I am trying to understand the term "Kernel Source Tree" I understand "kernel" but kernel source tree, what does it mean ?
08:06[~]Scoop goes back to failing at setting up a raid
08:06<Scoop>it just means the different version of the kernel source
08:07<Scoop>unless your talking about setting up kernel source tree
08:07<Scoop>"Source tree" is just a term for the directory which contains the source code you will be compiling.
08:08<leonidas>isnt that source tree installed when you load the kernel onto your pc ?
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08:10<Scoop>like say you wanted to compile your own kernel you download it from you extract the archive that archive contains the kernel source tree
08:10<Scoop>which you would use to compile the kernel
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08:10<Scoop>as far as already containing it its already precompiled
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08:10<Scoop>so i dont think the complete source is no
08:10<leonidas>Thks Scoop
08:11[~]Scoop hides
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08:17<maliks7>can some one help with setting up the repos?
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08:19<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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08:22<gevaerts>Does anyone know how to block outgoing mails with too many CC adresses, and let the sender know about this ? The setup I'm using has exim4, mailscanner and spamassassin on the server, and thunderburd on the clients
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09:05<harpal>How can I know how much bytes are transfering through interface?
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09:08<leonidas>Hi Guys, I am trying to see if I have direct rendering with my graphics drivers using "glxinfo | grep direct" but it sayd commande not found
09:09<harpal>cahoot, I wan it to give output on console so I can redirect it to file and than use that
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09:11<leonidas>though I have the glx module installed
09:13<gsimmons>leonidas: You'll need to install the 'mesa-utils' package.
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09:13<leonidas>ok I thought I was missing something. But why this package ?
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09:15<gsimmons>leonidas: Because it contains that particular utility.
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09:21<leonidas>Guys, I have got now unable to open display when I try to lunch glxinfo | grep direct
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09:22<Scoop>blew it up did ya
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09:26<cahoot>leonidas: trying as root?
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09:26<leonidas>I did
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09:27<cahoot>leonidas: sorry - irrelevant question
09:27<wusel>i downloaded the first of four debian dvds -> is this sufficient for a usual kde desktop system with development stuff?
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09:30<JasonS>wusel: and then some
09:30<wusel>JasonS: and then some?
09:30<wusel>other dvds to download for it? or what do you mean?
09:31<JasonS>wusel: i mean as in you likely have more then you need, wusel why the dvds though and not net install?
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09:33<wusel>last time i installed debian on my laptop i installed it a couple of to keep it running for some weired reasons (probably laptop) - so wanted now to do it quick and dirty if needed, not downloading everything 5 times
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09:33<dpkg>ntfs is probably Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
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09:34<dpkg>ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
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09:36<cousin_luigi>I'm interested in using debian-mips on a broadcom embedded platform; could anyone suggest an online resource where to ask specific informations?
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09:40<leonidas>Guys, I have open my xorg.conf file and it seems that in the module section everything is right. It says load dri and load glx. Do I need a particular line ?
09:40<angelofhope>HI, anyone knows where I should start looking? After my last upgrade/dist-upgrade, my wireless seemed to stop functioning, the problem is that Fn-F2 doesn't switch it on anymore (asus W7j laptop, ipw3945), the led just blinks (sometimes hardly noticeable)
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09:44<Scoop>how do you get rid of certain Programs in kde without blowing up kde like modem dialer Cause sure am ever gonna use dialup....
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09:46<jcpiza>is there ntfs.fsck?
09:47<maliks7>cxan some one give me the repository list for australia?
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09:50<JasonS>!tell maliks7 about sources.list
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09:50<Scoop>!tell me about sources.list
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09:52<gsimmons>jcpiza: You might be interested in ntfsfix ('ntfsprogs' package).
09:52<jcpiza>thanks gsimmons
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09:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:54[~]Tuplad pokes witte
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09:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:59<witte>ok, wrong factoid
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10:03<carnage>hy all
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10:07<fxiny>hmmm : mrxvt 5.3.1 keyboards shortcuts are killing irssi alt+n , i can move around only with C-n
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10:10<fxiny>ahhh : esc-n !
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10:34<paistis>hello, i try to mount dvd over nfs, but i get exportfs: Warning: /mnt/dvd does not support NFS export.
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10:39<witte>paistis: is it exported? maybe you should export it read only (never tried it)
10:40<paistis>i just solved it, problem was that dvd was orginali mount as udf
10:40<paistis>not iso9660
10:41<witte>paistis: ok
10:42<paistis>now problem is, how mythtv could know that in /mnt/dvd is the dvd device
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10:45<Joelito>I'm new with debian and seems that when actually use apt-get mozilla-firefox, it downloads iceweasel
10:45<Joelito>any trick about how actually download firefox
10:46<witte>Joelito: it is the same thing, only different branding
10:46<paistis>iceweasel is same as firefox mostly
10:46<dpkg>well, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel>
10:47<dpkg>it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU ( although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
10:47<Joelito>oh, I see
10:47<witte>!why iceweasel
10:47<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
10:47<Joelito>but, is iceweasel 101% compatible with firefox extensions?
10:48<witte>Joelito: don't know, but the ones i have (especially for icedove that is) work
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10:49<Joelito>because I have docens of extensions, It'll be bad the non-compatibilty
10:50<witte>Joelito: you can't run firefox in debian, unless you download firefox from the firefox pages, but that won't be the debian way with apt-get
10:50<witte>Joelito: just try it and see?
10:50<user01>what is causing the error when i go into my web browser email type in french and it looks fine, then the message comes back with =2E where ' were placed in the message?
10:50<witte>Joelito: the most important changes are: name, icons and bugfixes
10:51<witte>user01: wrong encoding most likely
10:51<user01>witte, on my system?
10:51<user01>or the browser?
10:51<witte>user01: the encoding you use for sending is not the same as the one you use for reading
10:51<puckler>can anybody tell me how to perform netinstall atm? I can only download netinst iso 4.0r1 but they don't work anymore because 4.0r2 was released (but there is no 4.0r2 iso to download)
10:52<witte>user01: how do you read your email?
10:52<witte>puckler: why does 4.0r1 not work?
10:52<user01>in browser
10:52<Joelito>witte: ow, I'll try and see :)
10:53<Joelito>anyone here uses kde as desktop?
10:53<puckler>witte: releasenotes of 4.0r2 say that netinst isos 4.0r1 don't work any more
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10:54<witte>user01: some kind webmail thing? look at the settings of your mail client and at the view > character encoding >... of your browser
10:54<user01>witte, the mail was returned Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 and i use utf-8 to type i think
10:54<witte>puckler: do you have a link to those releasenots
10:54<witte>user01: that is the cause of your problems
10:55<JasonS>puckler: how could they now work?
10:55<JasonS>not work
10:55<gsimmons>puckler: I think you're confusing the terms "netinst" with "netboot".
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10:56<user01>witte, i changed from utf-8 to iso-8859-1 and it still isnt displaying properly in the browser
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10:57<JasonS>gsimmons: indeed
10:57<puckler>gsimmons: may be you're right, maybe I'll just try. Anyhow, 4.0r2 was released but there is no netinst iso
10:57<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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10:57<JasonS>doh, should have been /msg sorry
10:57<witte>user01: look at the preferences of your webmail thing: how does it send, write and receive mail
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10:59<kuarman>como puedo hacer para ver la lista de usuarios en mi XChat?
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11:00<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:00<kuarman>Im not portuguese lol
11:00<kuarman>im spanish
11:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:00<JasonS>fine then , doh
11:01<witte>kuarman: but you can also stay here and talk english :-)
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11:01<kuarman>well, I can talk it ;)
11:01<kuarman>I have a question
11:01<kuarman>How can I do to see the user list of my xchat
11:01<xsdg>kuarman: does /list not do it?
11:02<JasonS>or do you mean on the side?
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11:03<ugen>are there nes emulators for sarge?
11:03<JasonS>hmm, still running xebian ugen ?
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11:03[~]JasonS wonders if hes awake enough to recall correctly though
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11:04<ugen>JasonS: yoe
11:05<ugen>JasonS: yes
11:05<ugen>JasonS: I had no time to test etch upgrade
11:05<JasonS>ugen: then try #xebian or thier forums
11:06<ugen>but xebian is 100% sarge just the kernel is optimized for xbox
11:06<kuarman>xsdg, no, this is the list of channels
11:06<kuarman>I want the list of the people who stay in a chan
11:06<JasonS>ugen: but not debian
11:07<JasonS>kuarman: ahh the window on the right with the user list, umm tools/options most likely
11:07<xsdg>kuarman: oops; that's /names here
11:07<JasonS>kuarman: #xchat would know for sure though
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11:07<ugen>but a port of debian sarge and it runs all sarge packages
11:07<JasonS>!based on
11:07<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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11:09<ugen>xebian is debian sarge with xbox kernel so it is still debian just with some preinstalled apps like firefox and x-chat
11:09[~]JasonS likes talking to himself
11:09<dpkg> - ML, or
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11:13<ugen>I just wanter to ask if there are nes emulators for debian sarge, I know how to install them on xebian
11:14<phogg>ugen: Yes and I've No Idea, exept apt-get of course.
11:14<witte>ugen: on debian you search this like this: apt-cache search emulator|grep nes
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11:14<phogg>ugen: if you want a specific recommendation try fceu
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11:17<ugen>apt-cache has found some nes emulators
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11:24<armi>I have kde installed, but I wan to try gnome. I was going to just install gnome with aptitude using the "tasks" option. Is that allright? Is there a better way to do this? I didn't want to do something like that without asking first.
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11:28<fxiny>!install gnome
11:28<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
11:29<fxiny>armi: that would be : aptitude (or apt-get) install gnome gdm
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11:34<armi>dpkg: I think I already have X installed. Thank you, and thanks to fxiny too!
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11:36<witte>armi: you have x installed, otherwise you could not have kde running, and dpkg is a bot :-)
11:37<armi>oh, didn't know that
11:37<witte>armi: you can also try other wm: xfce, icewm, fluxbox, windowmaker,...
11:37<armi>so that's why you sayed "!install g..." before
11:38<witte>well, fxiny said that, but yes
11:38<kaner>gibts am debian-stand noch shirts?
11:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:39<armi>I'm just begining with linux so I think I'll just try gnome for now.
11:40<armi>sorry the latter was for witte
11:40<fxiny>witte: flux ? i'm running mrxvt 5.3.1 on eth . pretty good ! sid sources are buggy
11:41<fxiny>i decided to have just a 20 profiles and tabs limit :P
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11:41<witte>fxiny: i use windowmaker, and in what respect are the sources buggy?
11:42<fxiny>i tell you in a sec
11:42<witte>fxiny: i really have to look into that manual, i just use the .mrxvt that is given as an example, and for the rest, i did not change anythign
11:42<fxiny>witte: 12:07 < fxiny> hello : any sid user ? there is a bug in sid mrxvt-0.5.3 as for . i've checked sid mrxvt-0.5.3 sources cause i want thet version on etch . rxvt.h line 1235 is wrong . if not patched it segfault when launched with more then 9 prolfiles . .i've patched it and compiled it on etch --with-max-prifiles=10 and it works just fine . of course
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11:44<fxiny>witte: just rxvt.h line 1235 MAX_NFONTS > MAX_PROFILES
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11:45<fxiny>witte: i've patched with no-scroll-with-buffer-mrxvt-0.5.3.patch and compiled ./configure --enable-everything --disable-debug --with-max-profiles=20 --with-max-term=20 --with-tab-radius=0 . radiuus 0 to get rid of rounded tabs . i'm running it now on etch
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11:46<kaner>ups, ECHAN sorry!
11:48<witte>fxiny: as said before, i am just starting mrxvt, so this is probably not needed for me... Did you file a bug at the bts?
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11:48<fxiny>witte: is not a debian bug . sourceforge is still giving a buggy tarball
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11:49<fxiny>witte: and i did not discovered that bug
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11:50<fxiny>witte: i have compiled the wrong sources . loading mrxvt with a rc file with 9 profiles it segfault
11:50<maliks7>how do i make kmix button appear in sys tray on start of kde session by default?
11:51<fxiny>witte: i've cheched etch for the same mistyping and no : etch is correct . still a 5 profiles/tabs limit sucks ...
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11:53<fxiny>witte: 5 profiles are not enough . gnome has 8 . can't remember kde . this is what i want : Mrxvt.profile0.workingDirectory: /path .
11:53<fxiny>and macros
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11:54<fxiny>i will never use 20 profiles ,. but i've compiled and checked to see , and it works
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11:54<witte>what would be the reason for this limit? smaller footprint?
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11:56<fxiny>could be . but 5 working dirs are not enough
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11:57<fxiny>sid max tabs limit is 15 . which is even too much . i set it to 20 ;)
11:57<fxiny>old sarge had 9 tabs
11:57<fxiny>so going from 9 to 5 is not good
11:58<fxiny>that's why i had sarge mrxvt on hold
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12:01<fxiny>it will open 20 tabs only if i use a 20-somthing.rc-file , like : mrxvt -cf file.rc
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12:01<fxiny>so there is no such a footprint issue
12:02<fxiny>it's up to the user
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12:03<witte>fxiny: well, i just wondered. 5 is indeed not much, and i wonder why they do not make it 100 or so (which is indeed ridiculous, but i can't see the harm in it)
12:04<fxiny>witte: 100 is not sensible . 15 or 20 is . say you are working at a project and you do not want cd around all the time
12:05<fxiny>witte: you can set tab title accordingly and working dir . and also window title
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12:08<fxiny> i am happy with 9 ,more then enough . but 5 , 5 is nothing
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12:09<fxiny>still i have to look into it , cause it could be really buggy , dunno
12:09<witte>fxiny: could it be that the no-scroll-with-buffer patch is already applied in sid?
12:10<fxiny>witte: dunno . i've patched sourceforge tarball . i've checked sid and etch later
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12:11<fxiny>witte: i have compiled it against etch official libs
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12:13<fxiny>witte: if you check rxvt.h line 1235 you'll see it easy , i was grepping for -i profiles * around then google gave me the right direction
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12:17<fxiny>witte: the right number should be 9 . cause alt-n switch tab, yeahhh 9 is ok . zero is a special one
12:17<bremner>maliks7: kmixctrl
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12:18<fxiny>but tab limit must be biger
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12:20<maliks7>bremner: where do i type kmixctrl?
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12:22<bremner>maliks7: sorry, just run kmix from a shell, it should be restored with your session
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12:37<monra>hello. as i see from "lpstat -d" my default printer is deksjet but when i try lpr -P deskjet file.txt i get that there is no such file
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12:46<carnage>hy all
12:47<carnage>can i ask help for a ubuntu related question?
12:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:48<carnage>is ther a irc channel for ubuntu ?
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12:53<JackSparrow>Hi, when I set up my etch, I do it all whit out creating any partition, so I have personal files and sistem in one drive, How I can create a new partition and reinstall the sistem whitout format my personal files?, tks.
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12:55<paz>I would like to compile my kernel with many thread (becose I have a multi core procesor) for improve the speed. Do you now how I can do this ?
12:56<paz>I now it must to modify a file but I can't refound the information
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13:03<maliks7>is there any one from australia who can give me the entries for sources file?......i accidently deleted them all
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13:05<lampar>I'm getting in trouble trying to install kde 4 in debian experimental
13:05<witte>paz: are you sure the debian kernels are not using the multiple cores optimally?
13:06<monra>as i see from "lpstat -d" my default printer is deksjet but when i try lpr -P deskjet file.txt i get that there is no such file
13:06<witte>monra: you have file.txt?
13:06<monra>witte, yup
13:06<monra>witte, i meant sorry no sucj printer
13:06<bremner>monra: try without space -Pdeskjet
13:06<paz>witte, no it's not the problem it's not the kernel who don't use the multicore but it's the compilator of the kernel
13:06<bremner>oh, never mind
13:07<monra>sorry. my mistake. I get no such printer althougjh i see it in lpstat
13:07<paz>witte, it's just slow during the compilation, after I don't have a problem with my kernel
13:07<bremner>monra: what printing system? cups?
13:07<monra>bremner, yes
13:07<meandtheshell>paz: what are you talking about - debian kernels are totally ready for multicore environments
13:08<bremner>monra: does pointing a web browser at localhost:631 tell you anything interesting?
13:08<paz>meandtheshell, yes of course !
13:08<monra>bremner, i just see some info's about cups and the same printer name
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13:09<meandtheshell>paz: why compiling your own kernel at all? just install a debian pre-build and be fine
13:09<witte>paz: do you want make-kpkg go faster by making it multithreaded?
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13:09<paz>witte, it that
13:09<paz>meandtheshell, yes but I don't have sound :-(
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13:10<witte>paz: you wont need to recompile a kernel if you have no sound
13:10<paz>witte, I have already do this in the past, I have edit a file but I dont remember his name
13:10<bremner>monra, what is result of "dpkg -S bin/lpr"
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13:10<meandtheshell>paz: try alsaconf
13:11<paz>meandtheshell, non ....
13:11<monra>bremner, lpr: /usr/bin/lpr
13:11<monra>lpr: /usr/bin/lprm
13:11<bremner>monra, I think you have the wrong lpr
13:12<paz>I can set the sound with ubuntu by editing a file and add backport module, but in debian, I don't know
13:12<maliks7>can some one give me the sources.list file for australia or point me to the right direction coz i have accidently destroyed just a newbie so any help will be greatly appreciated
13:12<bremner>monra, your want the cupsys-bsd package,
13:12<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:12<bremner>monra, and I guess conflicts will force to remove package lpr
13:12<monra>bremner, i can print text files when opening with text editor or so but was trying to do it with command
13:13<witte>paz: it will be the same file that you have to edit
13:13<bremner>monra, your editor might talk directly to cups w/o lpr command
13:14<paz>witte, Yes for the file, but for the modules....
13:14<witte>paz: and the same modules
13:14<paz>yes It for this I recompile my kernel
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13:15<paz>witte, meandtheshell the compilation of the kernel is finish I will try it and I comeback
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13:15<witte>paz: which sound card do you have
13:15<witte>lspcigrep -i multi
13:16<joshrulez2>hey what do i need to install on my debian server so i can ssh into it
13:16<joshrulez2>i want to do the rest remotely
13:16<dpkg>methinks openssh is a free implementation of the SSH protocol that comes standard in Debian as package ssh (both client and server until post-sarge). Getting started with SSH :
13:16<joshrulez2>ok thanks a lot
13:16<joshrulez2>i can do this anywhere if ive opened the ports?
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13:17<cahoot>closed any ports?
13:18<joshrulez2>so can i just do apt-get install openssh-server?
13:18<pbx>hello everybody. I am trying to compute several times the MD5 sum of a file and it is ever changing
13:18<monra>bremner, after installed everything would work fine for me?
13:18<pbx>and I have no process that is writing
13:18<lampar>I've a question: is there any way or option to force the installatio of a package without solving its dependencies
13:18<cahoot>joshrulez2: unless you have a fw or something else 'closing' port 22 yes
13:18<bremner>monra, I think so. But no warantee on IRC :-)
13:19<joshrulez2>k thanks and can i apt-get it?
13:19<joshrulez2>so just openssh-server will work
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13:20<cahoot>once you install it it will be running
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13:22<monra>bremner, E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
13:23<bremner>monra, message from apt-get ?
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13:23<monra>bremner, yup at the end
13:23<monra>about 100%
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13:23<monra>bremner, basically it ended the fetching and printed that
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13:24<paz>witte, with my kernel the sound work :)
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13:25<bremner>monra, does "apt-get -f install" help?
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13:27<monra>bremner, just trying it out
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13:31<monra>bremner, you are good ;). Just worked. Thank you very much
13:31[~]bremner breathes again :-)
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13:36<MDVz0r>how can i change an interface from eth2 to eth1 ?
13:36<dpkg>rumour has it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
13:37<knewt>and of course you can always manually use ip link set DEVICE name NEWNAME :)
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13:48<bkw>My laptop has a intel 945gm with a vga connector and i810 is used. I would like to get a normal clone output screen at the res 800x600 or 1024x768. Right now my xorg.conf is configured with "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP" "Clone" "true" "DevicePresence" "true". The screen get cloned to the external LCD, but it's whey to big
13:48<bkw>The resolution is weird. How can I adjust that?
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14:01<monra> guys.. how is it possible delete lines from .bash_history file and then exit without bash_history geeting the exit command in it?
14:06<pabix>monra, Ctl-D
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14:06<fxiny>monra: su then shutdown -h now
14:06<monra>fxiny, yeah right
14:06<xsdg>monra: send a SIGKILL to the bash that you're using
14:07<xsdg>(that is, to the shell instance that you're interacting with)
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14:07<xsdg>monra: alternately, you can just open .bash_history in a text editor from a GUI
14:08<monra>xsdg, hard... I'm through ssh
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14:08<xsdg>monra: can you ssh again?
14:08<pabix>xsdg, I would suggest Alt-Syst-K also
14:08<monra>xsdg ... yup
14:09<monra>i do rm .bash_history ssh again but still some lines there
14:09<xsdg>pabix: that doesn't really work remotely
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14:09<fxiny>monra: shuthdown -h now will do
14:09<xsdg>monra: no, ssh twice
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14:09<pabix>oh, remotely, yes
14:09<xsdg>monra: delete it in one
14:09<xsdg>then kill that one's shell (with SIGKILL) from the other
14:10<monra>and then?
14:10<xsdg>monra: and then logout (the kill will end up in .bash_history, but not the rm stuff)
14:10<xsdg>well, by "rm" I mean editing
14:10<fxiny>monra: why rm ? just > .bash_history
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14:11<xsdg>fxiny: the problem isn't removing stuff, the problem is not leaving evidence
14:12<xsdg>monra: you could also try running a command in the background under nohup that cleans up after your shell dies
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14:12<fxiny>xsdg: shutdown -h now won't let bash writing history
14:12<xsdg>fxiny: that's also not something you want to do on a remote machine
14:13<xsdg>fxiny: also, if you're root, you can do anything anyway
14:13<fxiny>xsdg: is it remote ? lemme scroll
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14:16<leonidas>Hi Guys, I have got an error message with flash plugin "the swf file caused a fatal error in the swfdec decoder" anyone could give me a hand?
14:16<fxiny>atrope strikes again :P
14:16<fxiny>leonidas: what version ?
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14:18<leonidas>hope that is the version of the swf you were asking !!
14:18<fxiny>flash version check by typing in the adress bar : about:plugins
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14:19<leonidas>that is the verison installed
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14:20<leonidas>what should I do?
14:20<fxiny>leonidas: so : 0.4.13-8 is what you can read on iceweasel ?
14:21<monra>hmm... xsdg i did unset HISTFILE but now there is no .bash_history file
14:21<leonidas>no I am using epiphany
14:21<fxiny>leonidas: etch ?
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14:21<fxiny>upgrade to 9.0 r115 at least . iirc bpo offers a deb
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14:22<xsdg>monra: I'm confused :o)
14:23<leonidas>do people get this error message often?
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14:24<monra>xsdg, this works... login and write 'unset HISTFILE' after do rm .bash_history and exit ... then login again and write this one command: touch .bash_history; chmod 700 .bash_history; unset HISTFILE; exit
14:24<fxiny>leonidas: is not safe running an old flash version : check this month threads about it
14:24<monra>ok... many commands
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14:25<fxiny>leonidas: subscribing won't do any harm :)
14:25<xsdg>monra: cool; thanks
14:25<leonidas>fxiny, my pb is that I can only use a stbale version
14:25<leonidas>yes you are write
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14:25<fxiny>leonidas: i am on etch too : this is my version : 9.0 r115 , check that thread
14:26<monra>xsdg, i meatn chmod 600 as it is rw-----...
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14:26<xsdg>monra: ::nod::
14:26<fxiny>leonidas: thread started on : Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007
14:26<Tuplad>could anyone recommend me a dvd ripping software ? :) (for videos)
14:26<Rimfrost>Hi all is there anyone here good at Nvidia drivers and Synaptic?
14:26<Rimfrost>it will not install them
14:27<fxiny>Tuplad: k9copy
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14:28<xsdg>Rimfrost: "don't use synaptic"? :o)
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14:28<Tuplad>fxiny: thanks!
14:28<fxiny>Tuplad: shrink the pigs ;)
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14:28<xsdg>Rimfrost: try aptitude
14:29<Tuplad>fxiny: :D
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14:30<Rimfrost>how do you use aptitude? sorry im so new to this Linux thing installed it this evening
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14:30<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
14:30<azeem>Rimfrost: ^^
14:30<Tuplad>Rimfrost: sudo aptitude
14:31<Tuplad>anyone else having difficulties with the "scrollkeeper" package ?
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14:31<Tuplad>I had an update, and all packages updated except that one, it gives me an error
14:34<cjmrdc>what version?
14:34<azeem>Tuplad: "an error" won't help anybody to figure out your problem
14:34<azeem>Tuplad: if you need help pastebin the exact error you get
14:34<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
14:34<cjmrdc>mine patched recently, 0.3.14-13, and i didn't get any errors
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14:36<Tuplad>good idea azeem
14:37<Rimfrost>could it be nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174?
14:37<Tuplad>azeem: but I don't think it'll help much because it's russian
14:37<Tuplad>cjmrdc: 0.3.14-16
14:37<azeem>Tuplad: then your problem is rather "how do I get english error messages"
14:37<Tuplad>azeem: :D
14:37<azeem>Tuplad: to which the answer is "export LANG=C"
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14:41<chealer>xsdg: why would he not use Synaptic?
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14:42<chealer>Rimfrost: could that be what?
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14:44<Rimfrost>im having some issues with Nvidia driver glx and Synaptic and it was someone who told me to use aptitude and i did
14:44<Rimfrost>and then i saw nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 there and asked if it was that one i should take or not
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14:44<chealer>Rimfrost: there's no need to use aptitude. Synaptic will be fine.
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14:45<chealer>Rimfrost: depends on what you want. which Debian suite do you use?
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14:46<Rimfrost>but when i check nvidia-glx it comes: depends: xserver-common but will not be installed i use 4.0r1 downloaded from
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14:48<Scurz>which software can I use to connect my mobile phone to the pc ?
14:48<azeem>Scurz: connect how?
14:48<Scurz>azeem: via USB
14:48<azeem>well, what do you want to do?
14:48<azeem>just connecting isn't very exciting
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14:49<chealer>Rimfrost: since you use Debian stable, it should be straightforward to follow the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers guide.
14:49<Rimfrost>i guess i should look at the wiki if there is one
14:49<Scurz>azeem: I would like to be able to access to mobile phone directories
14:50<chealer>Rimfrost: ur. etch's nvidia-glx doesn't depend on xserver-common
14:50<chealer>Rimfrost: there is
14:50<chealer>!tell Rimfrost about ngd
14:50<azeem>Scurz: your address book etc?
14:50<azeem>Scurz: what kind of mobile is it?
14:50<Scurz>azeem: to put on the mobile, music, pictures, etc.
14:50<Scurz>azeem: yes, for example
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14:51<Scurz>azeem: here's the mobile phone
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15:04<Belisarivs>Hi all.
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15:05<Belisarivs>I have problem with in amarok in Sid.
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15:06<Belisarivs>When I order amarok to skip song, it doesn't do it. When I order amarok to stop playing stream, it cannot play any stream again. I have to restart amarok always.
15:06<Belisarivs>Any ideas?
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15:17<maliks7>can some one plz walk me through about how to add multimedia repositories into debian etch, im getting errors...............plzzzz
15:17<dpkg>it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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15:21<Belisarivs>So, do you want Debian Multimedia or not?
15:21<Belisarivs>and what kind of errors do you get. Telling "I'm getting errors, plzzzzzz help" won't actually help.
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15:24<tadzik>hi, got a problem. ive got newly installed lenny. i installed kde for fun, then when i saw so many programs in menu i purged it. now ive got problem with lots of rubbish in menu - how to get rid of it?
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15:26<Belisarivs>Can't you be more exact? What kind of rubbish?
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15:28<tadzik>Belisarivs: looks like kdm, konqueror, and all of them are activating 'kde conf manager
15:29<chealer>Belisarivs: ask #debian-kde
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15:29<chealer>maliks7: did you ask dpkg about debian-multimedia.etch?
15:30<maliks7>Belisarivs: im just a newbie, it doesnt add the multimedia repository and it doesnt make available multimedia stuff.
15:31<maliks7>chealer: yes i did n it gave some instruction but it still didnt work
15:31<chealer>maliks7: what do you want from debian-multimedia?
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15:32<maliks7>chealer: realplayer, win32 codecs, msttf fonts and stuff like that
15:34<chealer>!tell maliks7 about msttcorefonts
15:34<chealer>!tell maliks7 about w32codecs
15:34<chealer>ah, sorry about the latest one.
15:34<chealer>maliks7: what do you mean by "it still didnt work"?
15:36<maliks7>chealer: i followed those instruction to the letter but when i run synaptic it gives error abt the the repo n doesnt make software available
15:36<chealer>maliks7: which error?
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15:38<maliks7>chealer: error 404
15:38<chealer>maliks7: please paste the error
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15:39<Belisarivs>Have a look at available mirrors
15:40<Belisarivs> really doesn't exist
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15:40<yaiba>hello every body
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15:43<yaiba_>is someone can help me ? i want to configure a dual screen with a tv and i don't know if a software can do that on debian
15:43<cahoot>xrandr should
15:43<yaiba_>oki thx i 'll try
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15:49<Supaplex>in da house!
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16:04<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
16:04<maliks7>install java
16:04<maliks7>!install java
16:04<dpkg>If you're on x86, you can install Sun's Java plugin by making sure you have non-free APT sources, and install sun-java5-plugin. Lenny users can install sun-java6-plugin instead. Otherwise, ask me about <java-package>.
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16:07<dpkg>i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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16:09<chealer>!tell maliks7 about msg the bot
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16:15<maliks7>chealer: can i ask u one last fav?
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16:15<chealer>maliks7: just ask
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16:16<maliks7>chealer: which repository i need to add to install Sun's java from?
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16:17<chealer>maliks7: you just need to add the non-free component
16:18<maliks7>chealer: how do i do that?
16:18<chealer>maliks7: did you ask the bot about non-free sources?
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16:21<Bununez>Coder tests words that some lame idiots might kick us for. "ass", "titties", "fuck", "balls", "im happy", "im angry", "Shit", "Love, Yay and silent Bob coders"
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16:22<Bununez>Just like bad medicin... Lets boogie
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16:22<Bununez>- Al Bundy
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16:23<Supaplex>Bununez: what brings you to #debian?
16:23<Bununez>!remove xoset-cluster-b00ng
16:23<azeem>Bununez: do you have a Debian question?
16:23<Bununez>Supaplex: to make you happy
16:23<Bununez>Im coder
16:24<Supaplex>I'm happy regardless, Bununez.
16:24<Bununez>This is what i desire
16:24<azeem>Bununez: this is a support channel, if you do not need Debian support, please either keep quiet or leave
16:25<Bununez>Im very good at any question that could come up. Can i stay ?
16:25<Bununez>Plus, im dead fast
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16:25<Supaplex>!tell Bununez about ot
16:25<Supaplex>Bununez: idling is fine, see what dpkg mentioned.
16:25<Bununez>Im well versed
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16:26<Bununez>Supaplex: dont spam me plz
16:26<Supaplex>ok, I'll quit feeding the trolls. goodbye.
16:27<Bununez>Hmmz, stay.. your cool
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16:29<Bununez>Supaplex: I like guis, and i saw this first. Its like trousersnakes!
16:29<OSuKaRu^-^>hi everyone
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16:30<OSuKaRu^-^>i have a couple of problems with my debian distribution
16:30<Supaplex>azeem beat me to /ignore. :)
16:30<azeem>Bununez: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic. Please try to be more signal and less noise in the future
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16:30<tilda140>How do I switch between window managers?
16:30<tilda140>Is that some ap I install?
16:30<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: okay. we're listening.
16:31<OSuKaRu^-^>first of all, Amule dont installs the things
16:31<chealer>tilda140: which window manager do you want to use?
16:31<azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: which things?
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16:32<OSuKaRu^-^>im trying to install something on the aptitude (not amuleXD)
16:32<OSuKaRu^-^>it downloads it perfectly but, at the time to install/config it, it dont.
16:33<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: show us at
16:33<azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: pastebin the full error
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16:33<OSuKaRu^-^> warning: is in spanish
16:33<OSuKaRu^-^>(Leyendo la base de datos ... dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb (--unpack):
16:33<OSuKaRu^-^> no se puede abrir el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `passwd': Error de entrada/salida
16:33<OSuKaRu^-^>Se encontraron errores al procesar:
16:33<OSuKaRu^-^> /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb
16:33<OSuKaRu^-^>Proceso detenido por haber demasiados errores.
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16:34<OSuKaRu^-^_>(Leyendo la base de datos ... dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb (--unpack):
16:34<azeem>OSuKaRu^-^_: 1. use a pastebin, as you were told
16:34<OSuKaRu^-^_> no se puede abrir el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `passwd': Error de entrada/salida
16:34<OSuKaRu^-^_>Se encontraron errores al procesar:
16:34<OSuKaRu^-^_> /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb
16:34<OSuKaRu^-^_>Proceso detenido por haber demasiados errores.
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16:35<abrotman>Bununez: why would you msg me?
16:35|-|mode/#debian [-b *!*] by azeem
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16:35<@azeem>abrotman: Bununez is currently silenced
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16:35<tilda140>anyone know of a way to switch window managers?
16:35<OSuKaRu^-^>XD sorry
16:35<@azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: use a pastebin, as you were told
16:35<tilda140>I'm running Gnome and I instapped Ion2 and I wanna switch to that.
16:35<abrotman>okay then ..
16:35<tilda140>It's been so long...
16:35<weasel>OSuKaRu^-^: if you flood for a third time then there won't be a fourth.
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16:35<@azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: 2. set your language to english for error reporting
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16:36<@azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: via "export LANG=C"
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16:36<OSuKaRu^-^>well ,lets go to other problems
16:36<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes work sometimes dont
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16:38<Supaplex>!tell OSuKaRu^-^ -about don't work
16:38<OSuKaRu^-^>the sound module
16:39<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes detect it and sound like angels
16:39<OSuKaRu^-^>and sometimes (like now) dont detect the module and i heard none
16:39<Supaplex>you have to redetect the audio hardware frequently?
16:39<azeem>OSuKaRu^-^: you mean when you restart the computer?
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16:40<OSuKaRu^-^>i made a dmesg and i think the most important line is:hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
16:40<tilda140>Is that an inappropriate question to ask here?
16:40<tilda140>how to switch window mangers?
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16:41<OSuKaRu^-^>the funny thing is too that i reboot, and it work again
16:41<azeem>tilda140: just select the ion session from gdm
16:41<Supaplex>tilda140: that's an ok question here. I think dpkg had a factoid on it, but I don't recall anything relative.
16:41<tilda140>should I run GDM setup?
16:41<azeem>tilda140: 22:36 < azeem> tilda140: just select the ion session from gdm
16:41<azeem>tilda140: how did you install ion?
16:41<tilda140>Ouch.. it says gdm already running. Wow, I was just installing themes and splash screens the other day and I forgot how to run GDM.
16:42<tilda140>Just gotta stay more up on these things.
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16:42<azeem>gdm is what you get when you boot up or log out
16:43<tilda140>when I boot, it goes straight to gnome
16:43<azeem>tilda140: and when you log out?
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16:44<tilda140>let me see
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16:44<OSuKaRu^-^>well. about my sound module pro
16:46<OSuKaRu^-^>other problem i got
16:46<OSuKaRu^-^>i cant find my sata partitions
16:46<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: how are you starting the detection process?
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16:46<OSuKaRu^-^>the sata?
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16:47<Supaplex>the sound card problem
16:48<OSuKaRu^-^>hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
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16:49<OSuKaRu^-^>well. i started finding that i didnt heard anything.
16:49<user01>i keep getting an error running aptitude dist-upgrade for unmet dependencies with evolution and gnome
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16:49<tilda140>goes back to x
16:49<user01>for lenny
16:49<tilda140>I meannnn
16:49<OSuKaRu^-^>then i started to investigate
16:49<tilda140>It goes back to a CLI without X
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16:51<tilda140>does that answer your question?
16:52<OSuKaRu^-^>firs i think: mmmh.! mabe the Alsa module didnt refresh: and i run alsaconf
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16:52<azeem>tilda140: maybe you have gdm set to autologin, you will have to disable that if you want to start different sessions
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16:53<OSuKaRu^-^>beyond the faillure, i think: mabe the Alsa config files are just wrong: and i reinstalled te alsa stuff
16:53<tilda140>Oh okay
16:53<tilda140>config file?
16:53<tilda140>I wonder why it says GDM is already running when I try to load it up
16:53<azeem>there's gdm setup
16:53<azeem>tilda140: because it is
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16:53<Cackette>Why does Iceweasel keep making me set it as default even though i set it as default in that x-www-browser thing
16:54<azeem>tilda140: also, maybe you reconfigured X to start directly and skip the session manager
16:54<OSuKaRu^-^>but that didnt work. so that's why im here
16:54<tilda140>isn't gdm something you can load to change the windoe manager stuff?
16:54<azeem>tilda140: it's a session manager
16:54<tilda140>can I start certain window managers from the command line?
16:55<tilda140>gdpsetup just opened
16:55<azeem>some window managers allow switching to other window managers in the Debian menu
16:55<tilda140>Login Window Preferences
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16:59<user01>why dont all the fonts show up in glabels but they do in openoffice?
16:59<tilda140>So, should I figure out a way to keep it from loading up automatically?
16:59<tilda140>So I could get a login screen?
16:59<tilda140>That way I could probably choose Ion2, right?
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17:01<tilda140>hmm... I don't think Login Window Preferences is gonna help me switch my window manager
17:01<user01>is there a central way to manage fonts?
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17:05<Jobbe>does someone here know a program that can show music files over internet and also let people play the music? .. something a little like vibe streamer(
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17:06<izzi>any help needed, upgrade failed because of findutils
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17:07<izzi>Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi- does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64)
17:07<izzi>thats the error
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17:10<tilda140>I have a question that does remain unanswered: is there a way to summon a particular window manager from the command like?
17:11<tilda140>like startx -wm ion2
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17:14<j_>hi, does someone know how to COMPLETELY remove an app?
17:14<j_>when i use sudo aptitude remove the file and the conf is still here
17:14<mikelarry>you need a "uninstaller"
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17:14<mikelarry>a good one to find files it left behind
17:15<mikelarry>oh this is linux, nevermind
17:15<j_>don't really understand what you mean, i'm french?
17:16<azeem>mikelarry: are you sure you should answer question, then?
17:16<azeem>j_: /msg dpkg purge
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17:16<j_>yes because i'm good in english
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17:24<dpkg>hello, azeem
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17:27<Gryfelhase>ok, i want to use cupsys
17:27<Gryfelhase>is cupsys-bsd a replacment for lpr?
17:28<Gryfelhase>or a "addon"
17:28<azeem>yes, AFAIK
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17:28<azeem>Gryfelhase: what is unclear about "yes"?
17:29<Gryfelhase>the speed, your awnser appeard after "or a(n) addon"
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17:29<azeem>Gryfelhase: it's a replacement I think
17:30<azeem>it's certainly not an addon to lpr
17:30<Gryfelhase>ok, thx alot
17:32<chealer>izzi: which Debian architecture do you use?
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17:35<Cackette>Why does Iceweasel keep making me set it as default even though i set it as default in that x-www-browser thing
17:36<azeem>what is "that x-www-browser thing"?
17:37<Cackette>update-alternatives something
17:37<Cackette>i cant remember the full command
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17:38<azeem>ok, and what is the other thing?
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17:39<Cackette>update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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17:42<azeem>Cackette: that's the x-www-browser thing
17:42<Cackette>someone told me to do that to make iceweasel default
17:42<c4_>what is the device to mount my pendrive?
17:42<Cackette>but every time i open iceweasel, it says its not default
17:43<azeem>Cackette: and it doesn't have "don't ask me again" checkbox?
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17:43<Cackette>i want it to be default
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17:43<Cackette>if i click dont ask me again, then it wont be default
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17:43<azeem>Cackette: that's probably the "am I the gnome default browser?" check, not the "am I the x-www-browser debian alternative?" check
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17:43<azeem>Cackette: you running gnome?
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17:46<azeem>Cackette: dunno about kde, but probably it has a "favourite apps" config too
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17:49<chealer>Cackette: it looks like a bug. here it doesn't ask even if it's set to ask.
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17:51<aLeSD>hi all
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17:54<c4_>/dev/sdaX is not the pendrive, what device is it?
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17:57<c4_>is /dev/sdb1
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18:20<spersaud>can someone tell me exactly how to set my xterm size ?
18:20<spersaud>I try xterm -fs 18 &
18:20<spersaud>google isnt helping :(
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18:21<kaner>spersaud: -geometry
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18:27<spersaud>kaner : doesnt that set teh size of the window ?
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18:48<lounis>hi, why dgen is in non-free? dgen is under bsd licence
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18:48<lounis>gden is an geneis emulator
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18:51<ewanm89>Is there something in debian to stop you removing core files (with rm)?
18:51<witte>ewanm89: yes, you do not log in as root unless you need to?
18:52<ewanm89>witte: Other than that?
18:52<witte>ewanm89: not that i know of
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18:52<spersaud> when I do xterm -fa fixed -fs 18 & that changes font size and makes it bigger
18:52<witte>I at least was able to remove my entire hard disk using rm (by accident :()
18:52<ewanm89>as in sudo rm -rf sbin isn't working on a fs mounted on /mnt/
18:53<ewanm89>um, well.
18:53<spersaud>wish I can make it permanent ... but bg is no longer black
18:53<ewanm89>it's only certain files on this disk...
18:53<ewanm89>Um, It's debian sid ext3 on the disk, and ubuntu it's mounted on, so maybe something ubuntu guys done...
18:54<witte>ewanm89: i doubt it
18:54<witte>ubuntu is a debian copy with some adjustments, and usually they are not safer
18:55<ewanm89>how else would you explain this:
18:55<ewanm89><ewanm89@ewanm89-laptop> /mnt % sudo rm -rf usr/sbin [1]
18:55<ewanm89>rm: cannot remove `usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian': Operation not permitted
18:55<ewanm89>rm: cannot remove directory `usr/sbin/alsactl': Read-only file system
18:55<ewanm89>rm: cannot remove `usr/sbin/dwww-quickfind': Read-only file system
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18:55<ewanm89>I limited that to three lines of output...
18:55<witte>ewanm89: because you mounted it read onlyN
18:56<ewanm89>witte: no
18:56<ewanm89><ewanm89@ewanm89-laptop> /mnt % sudo rm -rf usr/games [1]
18:56<ewanm89><ewanm89@ewanm89-laptop> /mnt %
18:56<Supaplex>files are immutable
18:56<ewanm89>worked fine.
18:56<ewanm89>as do most files
18:56<spersaud>boy oh boy why is it so hard to set font size of xterm ?
18:56<ewanm89>How to overide?
18:56<tnks>I asked this on Freenode, but thought I'd ask here too: Are there any text-based password managers other than pwsafe and pwman3 worth mentioning?
18:57<ewanm89>extended attributes and acls...
18:57<Supaplex>chattr (1) - change file attributes on a Linux second extended file system
18:57<Supaplex>is selinux at play here?
18:58<ewanm89>is it on ubuntus default install?
18:58[~]ewanm89 will check
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19:03<ewanm89>I'll find out in a minute when I see whether chattr -R -i * worked...
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19:06<gustavo>hola alguien q hable español ???
19:09<chealer>!tell gustavo about es
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19:15<leonidas>hi guys, I am trying to install the .deb gnash package that I have downloaded. It stops because there are too many dependancis involved
19:15<leonidas>is there an option I could use to take of those dependancies ???
19:15<dpkg>[gnash] a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project.
19:15<leonidas>Iwhat I am using for .deb package is "dpkg -i"
19:15<tiagosab>spersaud: Have a look in my ~/.Xdefaults at
19:16<witte>leonidas: isn't gnash not in debian?
19:16<witte>leonidas: it is in sid at least
19:16<leonidas>yes it is but I need to add a repo that is not stabke
19:16<leonidas>I dont want to do that
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19:17<leonidas>since I have downloaded the package, I thought I could install it myself
19:17<witte>leonidas: i will put apt-cache show gnash in a pastebin, so you can download all the dependencies from the stable repo
19:18<ewanm89><ewanm89@ewanm89-laptop> /mnt % sudo rm -rf usr/sbin [0]
19:18<ewanm89>[sudo] password for ewanm89:
19:18<ewanm89>rm: cannot remove `usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian': Read-only file system
19:18<leonidas>cool, thks witte
19:18<ewanm89>That's after I did sudo chattr -R -i *
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19:19<ewanm89>Does that mean SElinux?
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19:19<tiagosab>leonidas: You can use auto-apt to auto-install dependencies. But you'll have to build as root...
19:19<witte>!tell ewanm89 about selinux
19:20<leonidas>tiagosab, you mean to compile it?
19:20<witte>leonidas: this can also be a solution
19:20<witte>!tell leonidas about simple sid backport
19:21<ewanm89>witte: I know what it is, don't know if it would cause that sympton ^^
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19:21<arrrghhh>hey all, just switched to debian from ubuntu
19:21<leonidas>I have to say that Debian has been really great, btu the dependanices are kind of nightmare to take care of
19:21<arrrghhh>leonidas: that's what package management software's for
19:21<witte>leonidas: debian should take care of the dependencies :-)
19:22<witte>arrrghhh: congratulations
19:22<leonidas>witte, it doesn't
19:22<witte>leonidas: well, gnash just isn't in debian stable...
19:22<ewanm89>leonidas: You ever used apt?
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19:23<leonidas>yes I have
19:23<leonidas>since a week I done so night and day trying to build my PC
19:23<arrrghhh>at any rate, i wanted to backup my thunderbird, and so i put ~/.thunderbird directory into a .tar.gz file
19:23<tiagosab>leonidas: yes
19:24<WGK>I am trying to compile aop (ambassador of pain, or "64 lines are enough") I have gcc and libncurses5-dev installed, but I am getting a bunch of undefined references.. any idea what I am missing?
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19:27<tiagosab>WGK: I was just talking about auto-apt, which installs a file if "a program will access a file of uninstalled package" (man auto-apt)
19:28<azeem>tiagosab: suggesting people should build as root as trade-off for auto-build isn't very kosher, IMO
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19:30<tiagosab>azeem: No, you are right.
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19:30<arrrghhh>at any rate, when i try to uncompress it, there's nothing in there
19:30<Overfiend>jeez, did part of the North American backbone take a dive? Half a dozen unrelated sites are timing out for me
19:30<WGK>tiagosab: I don't quite understand
19:30<arrrghhh>there's a 'file' that is labeled .thunderbird, but i don't see any folders
19:31<WGK>tiagosab: is auto-apt supposed to fix my compile problem?
19:32<witte>arrrghhh: how big is the tar.gz? (ls -al filename)
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19:32<Cackette>how can i check my kernel version
19:32<WGK>tiagosab: its not on my sstem, so I would have to install it first..
19:32<tiagosab>WGK: If you are missing some file, and this file is found in a package that is not
19:32<azeem>WGK: "a bunch of undefined references.." is way too vague to give any serious advise
19:32<witte>Cackette: uname -a
19:32<azeem>tiagosab: undefined references are link-time errors
19:32<tiagosab>installed, auto-apt will install it for you.
19:32<azeem>not missing file errors
19:33<tiagosab>azeem: Of course, I think it's too late for me to be here.
19:33<Cackette>does anyone have a HD-5500 tuner card?
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19:35<WGK>azeem: I am trying to compile the game aop which isn't in the debian repository. It's 64 lines of c and includes curses.h, unistd.h, and string.h. gcc says:/tmp/ccaBObky.o: In function `main': aop.c:(.text+0xba): undefined reference to `initscr' etc...
19:35<arrrghhh>i'm guessing that's bytes
19:35<arrrghhh>that seems really small
19:35<witte>arrrghhh: that is not much
19:36<witte>arrrghhh: I would say enough to have the filename, the tar.gz archive and one folder ;-)
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19:36<witte>arrrghhh: can you do it again, or is that disk now erased?
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19:38<arrrghhh>witte: i wiped it with the debian install i just did...
19:38<witte>arrrghhh: no other backups? well, that leaves you with a clean install, nothing to do about it at this momen
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19:41<Cackette>Can someone help me setup my HDTV tuner card? this is really confusing me
19:41<Alam_Debian>Cackette, look up v4l
19:42<Cackette>i'm having a hard time figuring out wtf to do
19:42<Cackette>i have a bunch of drivers and tools
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19:44<WGK>all of the undefined references gcc complains about when trying to compile aop.c are :`main' `initscr' `cbreak' `noecho' `curs_set' `stdscr' `keypad' `stdscr' `nodelay' `start_color' `init_pair' `endwin' `flushinp' `stdscr' `wattr_on' `stdscr' `wmove' `stdscr' `waddch' `stdscr' `wattr_off' `stdscr' `wattr_on' `mvprintw' `stdscr' `wrefresh' `stdscr' `wgetch' `endwin'
19:45<Cackette>and none of the files i just duid make instll on seem to work
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19:45<WGK>tiagosab: ^^
19:45<arrrghhh>that sucks... i was sure that backed it up
19:45<arrrghhh>witte: how should i have backed up thunderbird?
19:45<arrrghhh>that's how i did it when i went ubuntu to ubuntu....
19:46<witte>arrrghhh: well, probably forgot to include subdirectories...
19:46<witte>arrrghhh: normally that would have been sufficient
19:46<arrrghhh>i just right clicked on the directory and put 'add to archive' - same as i always do to backup directories
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19:47<witte>arrrghhh: let me tell you, you aren't the first who experiences such things :-)
19:47<arrrghhh>great, well i'm not sure how to log out of my phone system w/o the software... and there was an email in there with the link lol
19:48<witte>arrrghhh: maybe you have the software still on the mail server?
19:48<arrrghhh>i wasn't that smart evidently
19:48<witte>arrrghhh: and a very far fetched possibility: grep the hard disk
19:48<arrrghhh>grep the hard disk?
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19:49<witte>if you did not format the disk, there is a chance the data is still on it
19:49<witte>and that only the references to the files are removed
19:49<witte>which filesystem does it have?
19:49<WGK>what causes these kind of 'undefined reference' compiler errors? am I missing a header file, or have the wrong version of a header file?
19:49<arrrghhh>the debian installer formatted
19:50<witte>arrrghhh: so you repartitioned?
19:50<witte>arrrghhh: nevermind in that case
19:50<witte>arrrghhh: i do not want to give you false hope
19:50<Cackette>hey witte
19:51<arrrghhh>yea it's not that big of a deal... it's just weird when i make a backup, and a file .thunderbird appears instead of a folder .thunderbird...
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19:52<witte>arrrghhh: you probably were just unfortunate when you made the backup, I am sure you will check the filesize next time :-)
19:52<witte>hello Cackette
19:53<arrrghhh>yea, i usually put /home on a separate partition so i don't have to wipe it.
19:53<witte>arrrghhh: btw: there is also something good that came of it
19:53<Cackette>witte, can you help me setup my new tv tuner card, its confusing the hell out of m
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19:53<arrrghhh>what's that witte?
19:54<witte>Cackette: i do not own a tv card myself, so i probably wont be able to help you...
19:54<Cackette>its the process thats confusing me
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19:54<witte>arrrghhh: i remembered to make a backup of my own emails :¯)
19:54<arrrghhh>lol, well i usually save important stuff on the mailserver, i don't know why i didn't.
19:54<witte>Cackette: which manual are you following?
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19:55<Cackette>i dont have a manual
19:55<Cackette>just a CD
19:55<witte>Cackette: you have a tv card with linux drivers?
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19:56<Cackette>i have a tv card built for linux
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19:57<witte>Cackette: where did you get upto now?
19:57<Cackette>i'm confused from the start
19:57<Cackette>i have the card plugged in and hooked up everywhere
19:57<Cackette>and thats about it
19:57<telemachus>Cackette: you have to love the first sentence "Linux can be quite frustrating for the beginner to navigate."
19:57<Cackette>very true
19:57<witte>Cackette: the text is quite clear
19:58<witte>1/ do you have a recent version of linux ==> yes,
19:58<witte>Cackette: so we are at two
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19:58<witte>Cackette: type this in a terminal: dmesg | grep cx88
19:59<Cackette>want me to pastebin the results?
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19:59<witte>Cackette: not really, are they similar to the thing in the file you already sent?
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20:00<witte>Cackette: if you are in doubt, then i want them :-)
20:00<Cackette>it looks good
20:00<witte>Cackette: next step
20:00<Cackette>i've got that directory on my desktop and i'm CD'd there
20:00<Cackette>run "dtvscan -d 0 -fx" now?
20:01<witte>Cackette: copy the dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.2 somewhere in your home directory (in a temp directory or so)
20:01<witte>Cackette: ok
20:01<witte>now the make and make install
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20:01<witte>ok, next thing is the dtvscan indeed
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20:02<Cackette>looks like that might take a while
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20:03<witte>Cackette: i have no idea what that should do, but the cable should be connected in order that it can find something...
20:04<Cackette>it looks like its scanning channels
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20:04<Cackette>its on 30 now, who knows how far it'll go
20:05<Cackette>i only get digital on 3,6,10,13,40 anyways
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20:06<witte>Cackette: that should be the result of this scan in that case: 3,6,10,13,40
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20:08<Cackette>any idea what i do after the scan is done?
20:09<witte>Cackette: i am not sure that you will need to rebuild xine, as xine is in debian-multimedia
20:09<witte>so i would open up the xine that you have, and try if you can get an image from the card
20:10<witte>there should be some docs/howtos in the disk
20:11<Cackette>its still scanning
20:11<Cackette>omg, how far does it go
20:11<Cackette>its past 100 now
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20:13<Cackette>i'm not seeing anything
20:13<witte>Cackette: try man dtvscan to find out
20:14<Cackette>no manual
20:14<Cackette>what about it, thats the manufacturer's site
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20:15<witte>there is a forum with help, installation,...
20:15<witte>Cackette: there you will find much more info on your card then here
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20:18<Cackette>this is not easy
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20:20<witte>Cackette: is it done with scanning?
20:21<tmorton>What's the "semantic" way to connect images + captions?
20:21<tmorton>sorry, wrong channel
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20:21<witte>Cackette: did it show the correct channels?
20:21<Cackette>it didnt show anything
20:22<Cackette>just finished
20:23<witte>did xine work?
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20:23<baloo>Does give XMPP access to DDs?
20:24<azeem>what is XMPP?
20:24<Cackette>how do i get xine
20:24<Cackette>i dont have it
20:24<Cackette>and apt-get returns no results
20:24<Maulkin>baloo: that doesn't really make sense
20:25<witte>!tell cackette about dmm
20:25<Maulkin>Cackette: pastebin your sources.list
20:25<baloo>Maulkin: How so?
20:25<baloo>azeem: Jabber
20:25<Cackette>i have dmm in my sources.list
20:25<Maulkin>baloo: none pre-defined.
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20:26<witte>Cackette: apt-get install xine-ui
20:26<witte>Cackette: or aptitude install xine-ui, whatever you fancy
20:27<Cackette>ok, xine installed
20:27<baloo>Maulkin: I still don't follow.
20:28<azeem>baloo: there's no jabber server running on any of the machines if you mean that, AFAIK
20:28<Cackette>ok, if i click DVB on xine, it says no channels.conf found
20:29<witte>Cackette: you will have to read in the manual of your card and of xine how you can solve that
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20:29<Marco_Antonio>does anyone have a problem to burn a DVD, with k3b on etch? my problems are with OPC
20:30<kop>locate is not working for me. I've tried as root. It won't find stuff I know is there. I've tried running /etc/cron.daily/find and no joy. How do I debug this?
20:30<witte>kop: updatedb
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20:30<_IronSid3_>algum brasileiro aew?
20:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:31<kop>Marco_Antonio : I had a problem like that. It turned out the firmware was not new enough to burn a double layer dvd. FYI.
20:31<kop>witte: /etc/cron.daily/find runs updatedb.
20:31<_IronSid3_>witte seria bom se tivesse alguem la ;{
20:31<witte>_IronSid3_: in english please...
20:32<witte>kop: ah, i do not have that file, in my pc it is slocate
20:32<witte>kop: that is /etc/cron.daily/slocate
20:32<kop>witte : I'm running etch.
20:32<_IronSid3_>witte Sorry, but this empty room!
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20:33<_IronSid3_>Nobody responds
20:33<Marco_Antonio>kop: thanks, i would try to google with the informationyou give me
20:33<witte>kop: yeah, that could be the difference, in any case, if you did updatedb, i do not know what else the reason could be
20:33<witte>_IronSid3_: you do not have to go there, you can stay here ;-)
20:33<kop>_IronSid3_ : Sometimes you have to wait, or come back later.
20:33<witte>_IronSid3_: you just have to talk english in this channel :-)
20:34<Cackette>witte, i'm plain out confused
20:34<Cackette>i dont know what to do at all
20:34<kop>witte : I changed /etc/updatedb.conf once, but running the cron job gives me no errors and I see nothing wrong.
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20:35<_IronSid3_>[witte]: I have a very bad English, but I can tentar.Alguem me where diser with the latest version of debian? A link to download the iso?
20:36<witte>!tell _IronSid3_ about netinst
20:36<_IronSid3_>Where fasso iso download the latest version?
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20:36<_IronSid3_>witte thankyu
20:36<witte>!tell _IronSid3_ about iso
20:37<kop>My /etc/updatedb.conf is:
20:37<_IronSid3_>witte by see you later... by
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20:39<Cackette>witte, i'm still dead in the water
20:39<witte>I can't say that i can see something wrong
20:39<Cackette>no progress
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20:40<kop>Cackette : Got a quick recap?
20:40<Cackette>i dont want to set up this card for DTV yet, most of my channels are NTSC
20:40<witte>Cackette: what do you want me to do? read the documents for you, I do not have this card, so i also have no experience with it. If you have a specific question maybe i can help...
20:40<kop>Cackette : Ah, tv stuff. I tried without success so far.
20:40<Cackette>i get like 6 DTV channels, and 70-something ntsc
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20:42<Cackette>lets start here
20:42<Cackette>when i open MythTV, it says it cannot connect to my MySQL database
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20:42<kop>Cackette : Is mysql running?
20:43<Cackette>after following
20:43<Cackette>yes, mysqld is in ps- a
20:44<kop>Cackette : IIRC the myth backend has it's own user, like "myth" or something. Can you become that user and use the "mysql" (IIRC) command line to connect to the right db?
20:44<Cackette>mythtv, i'll try
20:44<Cackette>how do i fire up mysql
20:46<kop>Cackette : The front end is called "mysql"
20:46<Cackette>i see "mysqld" when i do ps -A
20:46<Cackette>if i type mysql it says access denied
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20:47<kop>Cackette : I forget the mysql details. Myth has given it a password iirc, you'll at least need that.
20:47<Cackette>i tried the password i use for everything, didnt work
20:47<Cackette>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
20:48<kop>Cackette : It makes one up when you follow the directions, you'll need to look in the front end, or back at the direcctions for myth.
20:48<Cackette>i set the password as what i tried
20:48<Cackette>doing "mysqladmin -u root password yourpasswordhere"
20:49<Cackette>wont even work if i try -u root
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20:50<kop>Cackette : It's been a couple of months. I forget. I had a similar problem and fought with it. mysql has it's own set of passwords. I went and read the mysql docs. (They are lame and unfree.)
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20:52<kop>Cackette : If you're sure you know the password then you can try telling the myth front-end. But you should be able to use the mysql command line, when su-ed to the myth user, to test.
20:52<knewt>kop: was thinking over that openvpn stuff earlier (joining two overlapping subnets together). probably the best way to do it is using "traditional" 1:1 nat. say that both netA and netB are 192.168.1.*. Then, using the 1:1 nat, create new 'virtual' subnets, 192.168.2.* for netA and 192.168.3.* for netB. hey presto :)
20:52<kop>Cackette : You'll have to rtfm the mysql man page.
20:53<Cackette>ok i got mythtv backend setup working
20:53<kop>knewt : You only need 1 "virtual" network. That's enough to remove the conflict.
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20:55<kop>knewt : The advantage there is you only nat on the openvpn server side. You can use 2 configs, one that routes to the regular network when no conflict and one to the virtual network when there's a conflict. (Then you only need worry about conflict with the network you're using inside the tunnel. :)
20:55<knewt>kop: oh? if you had, say, netA == 192.168.1.*, and netB == 192.168.2.* <192.168.1.*>, then if netA wants to talk to netB, no worries, but if netB wants to talk to netA, it won't be able to, because from it's point of view it's 192.168.1.* talking to 192.168.1.*
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20:56<kop>knewt : Ah. I'm thinking of traffic initiated on one side only.
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20:57<kop>knewt : The natting takes care of the return packets.
20:57<mikejones>I want to buy debian
20:57<mikejones>and copywrite it
20:57<mikejones>how I do this?
20:58<mikejones>nevermind it's current open source disclaimer etc.. my lawyers handle that
20:58<kop>mikejones : You contact everyone who's got any copyright in Debian and make them an offer. Just like any other purchase.
20:58<mikejones>kop i'm guessing this is quite a bit of people?
20:58<knewt>kop: well, even then i think it'd be a problem. hostA wants to talk to hostB<>. The outgoing packet is fine, but when hostB sends a return packet, as far as it's concerned the source is Oops, that's itself.
20:58<mikejones>i'm trying to talk to 1 man
20:59<kop>mikejones : Sorry, there is no 1 man.
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20:59<kop>knewt : You'd have to use a different subnet for the nat. Say 10.10.10.
20:59<mikejones>in my line of work i've learned there-is-ALWAYS-one-man, always someone at the top
20:59<knewt>kop: Even if it'd be talking to<> a similar issue would come up, as hostB would try and talk to hostC on the same network as itself, not hostA
21:00<mikejones>you obviously don't know who he is, so thankyou for your time, i'll continue looking for him
21:00<kop>mikejones : You could contact the President of the United States and ask him to exercise eminant domain for you. Otherwise you're out of luck.
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21:01<knewt>mikejones: that's waaaaaaaaaaay too obvious trolling i'm afraid
21:01<witte>kop: let us hope the president of the us is not involved in debian ;)
21:01<mikejones>knewt I can understand you mixed feelings about an opensource project being taken over
21:01<witte>i do not think that would be good for the image of debian worldwide
21:01<mikejones>but I always get what I want
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21:01<mikejones>and I have my heart set on debian
21:02<kop>witte : Consider how popular that would make Debian around the world.
21:02<witte>mikejones: go for it
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21:03<kop>witte : I mean, if the president tried to make it un-free. :)
21:03<witte>kop: indeed, that would be the best advertisement to keep it free :P
21:04[~]knewt bored now. /ignore's mikejones
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21:05<oddtod>hey guys is there a way i can run a remote session with X but have the computer i'm signing into just boot into CLI?
21:05<knewt>just be thankful i'm not willow ;)
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21:06<witte>oddtod: you log in with ssh, and run the application
21:06<witte>oddtod: be sure to enable X forwarding
21:06<mikejones>if you're implying because of a channel ban, I don't really care about such things
21:06<witte>oddtod: this means ssh -X host
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21:06<molly_ludrosky>I have a question about my fish. Can any one help
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21:07<oddtod>so just install X like i normally would and then start it can i use tasksel to install x?
21:07<comex>rebooting into runit
21:07<comex>let's see if everything breaks as I expect
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21:07<witte>oddtod: you lost me
21:08<molly_ludrosky>can some one help me with ,my question
21:08<kop>oddtod : You can either: just install the X client side, not the server, or: just don't start gdm/kdm/xdm in the /etc/rc*.d scripts.
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21:09<oddtod>thanks Kop
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21:09<knewt>dpkg: tell molly_ludrosky about ask to ask
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21:18<kop>Humm. This is interesting. updatedb runs as "nobody" when examining the local disk. That's the default in etch. This seems wrong, because then it won't search, e.g. all of /home. At least on my box the /home dirs are all umask xx0. Is it really supposed to work this way?
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21:19<kop>Is my /etc/updatedb.conf not right? It's at:
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21:20<witte>kop: i had a look at it earlier, and i could not see anything special in it, but i could not compare it with my own as i do not seem to have one?
21:20<Nemoder>kop: check your /etc/cron.daily/find script
21:20<kop>witte : It'd be the "nobody".
21:21<witte>kop: yes, certainly with the xx0...
21:21<kop>Nemoder : That's how I found the problem.
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21:21<kop>Nemoder : Do you have a /etc/updatedb.conf?
21:21<Nemoder>I switched to mlocate
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21:22<witte>kop: i should have one as well, as i just tried updatedb and it gave me an error about a missing /etc/updatedb.conf :-)
21:22<kop>I don't like /etc/cron.daily/find. It redirects stderr of updatedb to /dev/null. Bad for when there's problems.
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21:23<witte>ok, that is a bug, that already was reported...
21:24<kop>witte : got a #?
21:24<witte>Nemoder: why mlocate? i use slocate, but i have no real idea why
21:24<witte>kop: 452892, but that is for slocate not having /etc/updatedb.conf
21:25<Nemoder>mlocate only updates the database for directories that have changed rather than scanning through them each time, maybe slocate does that now too, never looked at it
21:25<kop>What's the right way to pull out the "stock" /etc/updatedb.conf file? I could get the package an un ar it....
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21:25<Cackette>this is really pissing me off
21:25<Cackette>i cant get anything to work
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21:26<kop>Cackette : I've days like that. Today seems to be less than productive. I sat down to flash the firmware on my dvd drive and am now mucking with locate.
21:26<Cackette>theres no up to date guide on how to do install and setup this damn tuner card
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21:27<witte>Cackette: no luck on the forum as well?
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21:27<kop>Cackette : There's a mythtv irc channel.
21:27<Nemoder>witte: basically running findutils updatedb on a system with 200GB~ of files really takes a long time and wears the disk down after awhile
21:27<Cackette>where, kop
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21:27<kop>Cackette : Crudly. I forgot. It's reachable via the home page, which is reachable via
21:28<kop>Cackette : Try freenode.
21:28<witte>Nemoder: mlocate seems a evolved implementation compared to slocate, which is secure locate...
21:28<kop>Cackette :But there's two, one for devel. Don't get the wrong one.
21:28<witte>Nemoder: i will install it now on my systems :-)
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21:29<Nemoder>I would probably use slocate on a multiuser server but for my desktop mlocate seems to be working well
21:29<Cackette>theres 2 channels on freenode about ubuntu mythtv
21:30<witte>Nemoder: mlocate basically does the same as slocate: do not let users who should not read the file show that it exists
21:30<Nemoder>ah ok
21:32<Cackette>the ubuntu-mythtv channel seems rather dead
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21:33<Cackette>50 people, 1 (me) talking
21:33<gsimmons>Cackette: You'd probably want #mythtv-users on freenode.
21:33<Cackette>weird, that didnt show up when i did /list myth
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21:34<witte>Cackette: it is 3h30 on a saturday evening between christmas and new year, it is not extremely strange that people are not that active ;-)
21:35<Cackette>its 6:30pm here
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21:36<comex>Ugh....runit is kind of just refusing to start kdm.
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21:37<Cackette>hey witte
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21:38<comex>If I manually bash /var/service/kdm/run then it works. So, I can't figure out why runit is just... not... running it
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21:40<comex>Ugh... until I can get runit to work, I'm just deinstalling it
21:41<comex>Boot time is great, but not at the expense of nothing working
21:41<witte>Cackette: yes?
21:42<Cackette>is it possible to remotely connect
21:42<Cackette>and have you take a look aroud
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21:43<witte>Cackette: I am not that expert on tv card things and mythtv things, so probably i wouldn't be of much use, even if i would be able to connect to your pc, which is unlikely as you are probably behind your ISP's firewell
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21:44<Cackette>i can let you in
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21:44<kop>Cackette : Besides. Its a grind. I've not got _mine_ working. (Video card not supported so X does not run fast enough so I have to use a remote front-end.....)
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21:45<witte>kop: he has a linux supported tv card! it looks really nice, but i do not have tv nor cable, so i can't do anything wiht it (otherwise i would buy one for myself i think :P)
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21:46<kop>witte: I bought 3, long ago when it looked like the broadcast flag would pass and they'd be illegal in the us. Finally got them installed, but...
21:47<witte>Cackette: I would rather not, as i said, it is 3:30 here at night, i want to get some work done and go to bed ;-)
21:48<witte>kop: if you are interested in helping Cackette out. he has this card:, the 5500
21:48<nivanson>Are there any guides for installing debian on pci-raid(1) cards? I found many for software raids but a so called PCI-raid card is not software raid right?
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21:51<k-man>can someone point me to a good site that covers building the kernel the debian way?
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21:52<kop>Cackette : I've a hdtv 3000. It can be made to work but I've got to get mine going.
21:52<kop>k-man: Isn't there something in the reference manual at
21:52<k-man>there might be
21:52<k-man>ill check
21:52<witte>!tell nivanson about ig
21:53<witte>there is something on raid in there
21:53<kop>k-man: Involves make-kpkg.
21:53<witte>but you will have to make sure that your have hardware raid and not software raid, and you can not say this by looking at the card
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21:54<witte>nivanson: hardware raid is: the card does the calculations etc, with software raid your cpu does that
21:54<nivanson>witte, i dont know what to look for to find out but this is the card
21:55<witte>nivanson: 200 swedish crowns are about 20 euro?
21:55<nivanson>witte, yep... :) probably software?
21:55<witte>nivanson: i would guess so :)
21:56<torrr>nautilus take 100% CPU. what can I do?
21:56<nivanson>witte, thanks! i guess that wont be a big deal though, i have plenty cpu-power to go with. thanks for your help!
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21:56<witte>nivanson: i am looking for the hardware vendor to be sure
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21:57<nivanson>witte: according to it seems that this card has a processor, making me believe it might be hardware
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22:00<witte>nivanson: in any case, it should work as it is linux compliant
22:00<kop>FYI I submitted a bug about updatedb running as "nobody".
22:02<nivanson>witte: yeah :) seemed like a nice card for that amount of cash... im only after a simple raid 1 anyway. off to read debian installer docs! thanks for your help
22:05<nivanson>witte: fyi, i read at that 2port cards using this chipset is fakeraid
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22:10<geekunit>I've been installing/uninstalling a lot of packages since I first installed debian. Is there a tool that looks for packages without dependencies, and removes them?
22:11<dondelelcaro>geekunit: aptitude, deborpha, etc.
22:11<geekunit>dondelelcaro: how's it done in aptitude?
22:12<kop>geekunit : If you've been using aptitude it happens automatically.
22:12<dondelelcaro>geekunit: you just mark things that you don't explicitely want to keep as automatically installed.
22:12<dondelelcaro>geekunit: when nothing manually installed depends on them, they're removed.
22:12<geekunit>kop: When does this happen? When aptitude is updated? Or is it all behind the scenes?
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22:14<dondelelcaro>geekunit: whenever you upgrade or install or remove packages in aptitude.
22:14<kop>geekunit : Like dondelelcaro said, when you uninstall something.
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22:14<dondelelcaro>(which means, it effectively happens automatically)
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22:15<geekunit>Awesome. Much better than Windows isntall/uninstall huh?
22:15<dondelelcaro>there's no comparison
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22:18<kop>geekunit : You do have to use either aptitude or synaptic. If you use apt-get, you need to go back through what deborphan reports and see what you want to have automatic and what not. (or go through everything, you can work out the logic.)
22:18<dondelelcaro>that's actually changed now in testing/unstable
22:18<dondelelcaro>(but you're better off just using aptitude anyway)
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22:19<apeitheo>I just did a new etch install and everything went smoothly--however when I go to boot up, I get error 15 for grub, which means "file not found," what could this be?
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22:20<kevind23>Doesn't it mean that grub on your MBR is looking for /boot which it can't find?
22:20<geekunit>dondelelcaro: What, if anything, do I need to keep my debian install running great? Is there a linux version of the "Windows Creep"
22:22<Nemoder>geekunit: just don't install programs as root without going through apt and you should be fine, I haven't reinstalled since 2002~
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22:22<dondelelcaro>geekunit: if you're running stable, just track the security updates and stable point releases, and you'll be fine.
22:22<apeitheo>kevind23, well, that's a similar idea
22:23<apeitheo>kevind23, the reason it stumps me is because it's a brand new debian install--i.e. shouldn't debian install grub with the right config?
22:24<geekunit>Ultimate Question: How come some flash/shockwave apps don't work on Linux? (My wife love's National Geographic Puzzles)
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22:24<kop>apeitheo : Depending on your bios, there are size limits to the partition which grub can read. If your /boot is too big, far down in the disk, you can have a problem. Usually this means _old_ hardware, but there are limits in new bioses too.
22:24<Nemoder>geekunit: adobe/macromedia never released a linux version of shockwave
22:24<jkl_>I'm trying to figure out how to connect a MIDI keyboard to linux. does anyone have experience with this?
22:25<geekunit>Nemoder: So that's why youtube videos work, but most games don't?
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22:25<Nemoder>geekunit: very few games use shockwave, if it's just standard flash it should work if you use adobe's proprietary software
22:25<apeitheo>kop, this is an older pc that I'm working with (it has a 200MHz Pentium Pro in it, so, haha)--there was a limit, but I put the correct cylinders/sectors/heads, etc in the BIOS and it says that the drive is 37.something GB (which is close since it's 40GB)
22:26<apeitheo>kop, is there anything else I should look to disable in the BIOS? There aren't many options
22:26<kop>apeitheo : Do you have a separate boot partition?
22:26<kop>apeitheo : for /boot
22:27<apeitheo>kop, no, /boot is on /, which I'm pretty sure by default is at the front of the drive (well at least it should be /dev/hda1)--/ is only like 200 MB though or something small like that, so I thought it'd be fine?
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22:27<kop>apeitheo : The _ooold_ bioses have a 512MB limit. Dunno where it went from there.
22:28<apeitheo>kop, can I just skip grub entirely and just boot directly from /
22:28<kop>apeitheo : All of /boot would have to be in the 500MB. Did you install lvm?
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22:28<apeitheo>kop, nope, did not install lvm
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22:28<kop>apeitheo : It does not matter what boot loader you'd use, they all use the bios. If it has a limit then you're stuck.
22:29<apeitheo>kop, let me look to see how big / is
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22:30<apeitheo>kop, / is 280MB, which should be under the 512MB limit, but let me try something else.
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22:32<kop>apeitheo : That's what df -h says for the total partition size?
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22:34<chealer>geekunit: which Debian suite do you use?
22:34<apeitheo>kop, I was going off of what cfdisk told me. I boots up perfectly now--basically what I did was change the settings in the BIOS back to "auto configured" for the primary master IDE device
22:35<apeitheo>kop, thanks for the help :)
22:35<kop>apeitheo : cfdisk is the right choice (or sfdisk). Works. Good.
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22:36<Newbieneedshelp>hello world
22:37<Newbieneedshelp>hello world. can anyone help me do a netinst of debian etch?
22:38<geekunit>Newb: Just did one. What's up?
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22:38<Newbieneedshelp>thanks - im a slow typer but here goes
22:38<chealer>Newbieneedshelp: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
22:39<Newbieneedshelp>i tried doing a netinst of deb etch and ran into some dhcp problems. DHCP autoconfiguration failed. i rebooted and remove cd and all i get is me@desktop.
22:40<Newbieneedshelp>no gui
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22:40<Newbieneedshelp>i then did a dmesg | grep eth0
22:40<Nemoder>Newbieneedshelp: if your network is working you can run tasksel as root to select desktop packages
22:41<Newbieneedshelp>no i am currently running knoppix
22:41<avtobiff>Newbieneedshelp, do you have a dhcp on your network?
22:41<Cackette>hey guys, i'm getting no sound
22:41<avtobiff>Newbieneedshelp, do you have a dhcp server on your network? (router, own box etc)
22:41<Newbieneedshelp>no router
22:42<Newbieneedshelp>here in knoppix i use pppoeconf to connect
22:42<avtobiff>Newbieneedshelp, if you dont have a dhcp you need to configure your network settings
22:42<Newbieneedshelp>i have adsl modem - and provide username and password after doing pppoeconf
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22:42<avtobiff>ok... i dont know if pppoeconf is bundled with netinstall
22:43<avtobiff>otherwise just download a full cd (first one usually is sufficient for most basic needs) and then install extra software from the net afterwords
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22:43<Newbieneedshelp>ok - i have a question though - what should be the outcome after i do a successful netinstall? do i get a gui?
22:43<avtobiff>also have you googled? ;-)
22:44<avtobiff>Newbieneedshelp, if you have choosen it, yes
22:44<Newbieneedshelp>hmmm... i was not presented with that option.
22:44<Newbieneedshelp>yes i did a google.
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22:44<avtobiff>Newbieneedshelp, because the netinstall downloads components from the net. therefore you have to have a working connection.
22:45<Cackette>whats the command to run to change my video settings available
22:45<Cackette>so i can pick new resolutions
22:45<Newbieneedshelp>so many to read dont know which one is right for me - idont know which one - i think that is exactly my problem
22:45<avtobiff>ok... i dont know if pppoeconf is bundled with netinstall
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22:45<avtobiff>Cackette, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:45<Newbieneedshelp>excuse me?
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22:46<avtobiff>i mistyped and cursed ^_^
22:46<Cackette>isnt there a gui way to to it avtobiff
22:46<avtobiff>Cackette, i dont know. it is fairly straightforward.
22:46<avtobiff>Cackette, that is if you want to add or change available resolutions.
22:46<chealer>Newbieneedshelp: by default, if you had a network connection, you get a GUI.
22:46<avtobiff>Cackette, i bet in gnome and kde you can change through some control panel stuff
22:47<avtobiff>chealer, in the installer?
22:47<jkl_>has anyone in here played with linux-based soft synths?
22:47<avtobiff>jkl_, not yet ;-)
22:47<Newbieneedshelp>chealer: ok that means i have to get my internet working "during" installation
22:47<jkl_>I'm trying to get one to work but I'm having trouble getting the midi stuff set up
22:47<chealer>avtobiff: oh, not in the installer, no. he's asking whether X should be installed.
22:48<avtobiff>chealer, k.
22:48<jkl_>avtobiff: thx for the link, the demos sound great
22:48<Newbieneedshelp>nemoder: thanks i will try this one
22:49<avtobiff>Nemoder, surely you are promted to optionally load this module in within the installer,
22:50<Nemoder>don't know, but if the docs say to run that command on startup then that's probably how you have to do it
22:50<avtobiff>it was some time i installed a netinstall and since i dont have pppoe i dont really see it
22:51<avtobiff>or look for it
22:51<Nemoder>perhaps it's one of those things that would conflict with a regular install if it tried to load it with dhcp
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22:56<Newbieneedshelp>i will brb guys thanks for all the help - rebooting
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23:07<tedarckni>hi ppl
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23:10<bernardo>Who is watching UFC???
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23:12<bernardo>Wanderlei Silva is going to kick Chuck's ass
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23:14<oddtod>is there a program in linux that will pull data thats been deleted from SD card?
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23:14<tedarckni>newbie here
23:14<SkonesMickLoud>I had a question about downloading Debian to CD...
23:14<bernardo>tedarckni: hi newbie
23:15<tedarckni>got a question
23:15<tedarckni>downloaded debian etch 4.0 installer cd
23:15<dondelelcaro>oddtod: depends on how it's been deleted. You can make a backup of everyhting that is physically on the SD card, and then it's the same procedure as restoring from whatever filesystem is on the SD card.
23:15<oddtod>hey tedarckni
23:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:15<tedarckni>installed it
23:15<bernardo>tedarckni: say it
23:15<tedarckni>configured everything
23:16<avtobiff>tedarckni, stop befriending enter
23:16<bernardo>hey guys....give him a break....he is a newbie :)
23:17<tedarckni>except the compiz fusion cos debian aint detecting my intel 945 gm/gs chipset :(
23:17<oddtod>its a fat 32 filesystem, would i use dd to make a back up of the card?
23:17<tedarckni>yeah...first time usin irc
23:17<SkonesMickLoud>When downloading Debian to install from CD, I see 20 .iso's. Do all 20 of those need to be downloaded and burnt to seperate CD's?
23:17<avtobiff>tedarckni, you probably have to configure x correctly
23:17<bernardo>SkonesMickLoud: nooooooo
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23:18<SkonesMickLoud>Just one of them?
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23:18<bernardo>SkonesMickLoud: for the basic instaaaaaaaall you will need only the first one i think
23:18<tedarckni>yeah...i read that and did a few additions to m xorg.conf file but the end was i lost all my window borders :(
23:18<dondelelcaro>SkonesMickLoud: you don't even need to download the entire first one.
23:18<dondelelcaro>SkonesMickLoud: if your network connection is reasonable, get a netinst disk.
23:18<avtobiff>tedarckni, check if the module is loaded with lsmod, check what glxinfo | grep direct gives (if you get "direct rendering: Yes" X is correctly configured for 3d-accel), otherwise configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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23:19<SkonesMickLoud>I'm planning on whiping my HDD before installing. Won't have a network connection
23:19<dondelelcaro>oddtod: yes
23:19<avtobiff>tedarckni, wheut?! :-)
23:19<tedarckni> rendering is a yes
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23:19<bernardo>SkonesMickLoud: you can download those bussiness card iso
23:19<oddtod>what software would i use to restore files off of a fat 32?
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23:20<avtobiff>tedarckni, have you configured x for aiglx?
23:21<tedarckni>how do i do that
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23:22<SkonesMickLoud>What's the business card iso do?
23:22<dondelelcaro>if you don't have a network connection, you want the first cd at least.
23:23<dondelelcaro>the business card iso is smaller than the netinst iso, and is specifically designed for business card cds.
23:23<tedarckni>i got so frustrated that i went back to ubuntu 7.10
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23:23<oddtod>it would be like dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p1 of=/home/oddtod/backup.iso
23:23<bjb>oddtod: make sure your kernel can talk to the fat32 partition - then you can use the dd utility to copy the data off.
23:23<bernardo>brb, the fight is going to start...
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23:24<torrr>can I mount an iso file?
23:24<dondelelcaro>torrr: yes
23:24<strager>torrr: Yes.
23:24<Nemoder>as read-only
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23:26<SkonesMickLoud>Thanks for the help bernardo and dondelelcaro
23:26<Cackette>can someone help me?
23:26<Cackette>i have no sound
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23:27<bernardo>Cackette: apt-get install alsa
23:27<Cackette>i have alsa
23:28<bernardo>Cackette: alsa-mixer
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23:28<bernardo>Cackette: try to unmute the sound
23:29<strager>acpi says "Thermal 1" is 56.0 C. What does this mean ?
23:29<torrr>I got only one file:
23:29<torrr>mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
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23:30<torrr>This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system
23:30<torrr>that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification.
23:30<kop>strager :I'd guess some temperture senser is at 56C. Probably the cpu, but I don't know.
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23:31<jkl_>how can I get debian to recognize the existence of the gameport?
23:32<dondelelcaro>jkl_: assuming the soundcard driver (or whatever your gameport is attached to) has support for it, it should already be detected
23:32<jkl_>the gameport goes right into the motherboard
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23:33<dondelelcaro>it's undoubtedly actually hooked up to the integrated soundcard
23:33<torrr>is this UDF iso suported
23:33<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
23:33<torrr>o yea
23:33<dondelelcaro>torrr: a file is a file is a file. Anything you can mount on a disk, you can mount using loopback.
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23:34<Cackette>why is my debian all of a sudden booting into a command-line mode instead of GUI
23:34<strager>kop: Is 56.0 C bad?
23:34<torrr>dondelelcaro, I had to do -t udf
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23:34<dondelelcaro>torrr: sure
23:34<jkl_>neither "aconnect -i" or "amidi -l" can find anything that looks like it
23:34<snn>is there any way to fix this error? "E: Couldn't find package build-essential"
23:35<bernardo>Cackette: check your init scripts
23:35<Cackette>i didnt change anything, i just rebooted it and it went into command-line
23:35<dondelelcaro>jkl_: check dmesg. If it's working properly, you'll see something like gameport: EMU10K1 is pci0000:04:0d.1/gameport0, io 0xdc58, speed 917kHz
23:35<kop>strager : No. I think 80C is (depending) where they auto-shutdown. You could look at your cpu specs. I think 60C is typical temp when running.
23:35<kop>strager : I could be wrong.
23:35<bernardo>Cackette: ohh...probably because the X got an error
23:35<bjb>snn, you have good sources in your sources.list, and you've done an apt-get update?
23:35<dondelelcaro>snn: uh... if you're getting that you're either not running Debian or you don't have the repositories listed.
23:36<Cackette>so how do i bring it back into kde
23:36<strager>kop: Thanks.
23:36<snn>I just installed Debian Etch
23:36<dondelelcaro>snn: if you can't figure out what the problem is, show us the apt-cache policy libc6; output.
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23:36<dondelelcaro>snn: did you select an internet mirror?
23:36<snn>no, I used a complete CD
23:37<Cackette>how do i go from command-line to KDE
23:37<dondelelcaro>Cackette: startx
23:37<jkl_>dondelelcaro: I don't see any mentions of "EMU" or "game" from dmesg
23:37<chealer>Cackette: which display manager do you use?
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23:38<bjb>snn, you have the full set of CDs, or just the first one?
23:38<chealer>Cackette: KDE installed?
23:38<dondelelcaro>jkl_: EMU10k1 is my soundcard; you probably don't have one. If you don't see something like that, your soundcard's gameport may not be supported. Check lspci output and then check google to see if it is or not.
23:38<snn>I have all of them, also I checked sources.list and I see "deb etch/updates main contrib"
23:39<bjb>snn, have you done the "add" step for each cd?
23:39<snn>add step?
23:39<bjb>snn I think it's apt-cdrom add
23:40<bjb>do that once with each cd in the drive
23:40<torrr>anyone knows why nautilus take 100% sometimes?
23:40<bjb>snn, then apt will know about the contents of all the cds
23:40<bjb>snn, actually you might only have to do it once, and it will prompt for more CDs
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23:41<jkl_>dondelelcaro: oh, I think I may need to enable something in BIOS... sorry to waste your time and thx
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23:41<bjb>snn, but you do have to sit there and put each cd in the drive
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23:42<Cackette`>i'm back in GUI
23:42<Cackette`>but it loaded gnome instead of KDE
23:42<bjb>snn, unless you want to do an internet install - in that case you would add an internet mirror to your sources.list
23:42<snn>wow. this will be fun. is there any way I can use a internet mirror after using cdrom?
23:42<dondelelcaro>snn: yes, just change your /etc/apt/sources.list
23:42<snn>okay lol
23:42<kop>snn: What's listed first has preference.
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23:43<snn>I see
23:43<snn>Well all I know is these two lines are in it and it still complains: deb etch/updates main contrib deb-src etch/updates main contrib
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23:43<Cackette`>how do i switch from gnome to kde
23:44<bjb>snn, add the debian mirror to your sources.list (above the cds as mentioned by kop) and then "apt-get update", then you should be able to install build-essential
23:44<Cackette`>how do i switch from gnome to kde
23:44<Cackette`>my bad
23:44[~]bjb hopes snn has broadband
23:44<nitefire>anybody here use the anjuta ide to write c++ code ?
23:44<chealer>Cackette`: if you don't answer our questions, don't expect yours to be answered.
23:44<snn>i have a 600kb/s downlaod
23:44<Cackette`>i disconnected on accident, chealer
23:44<bjb>sounds good, snn
23:44<Cackette`>whats your question
23:44<chealer>Cackette`: sorry
23:45[~]bjb wishes her "broadband" went faster than 27 kB/s
23:45<chealer>Cackette: is KDE installed?
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23:45<chealer>Cackette: is a display manager installed?
23:45<Cackette>i was using it before i messed up xorg.conf
23:45<Cackette>then after fixing it in command-line and using startx, gnome appeared again
23:46<Cackette>i dont think so, chealer
23:46<chealer>Cackette: install one
23:46<Cackette>whats a good one
23:46<bjb>Cackette, if you don't want gdm, you can remove it ...
23:47<chealer>Cackette: if you use KDE, kdm
23:47<Cackette>apparently i have kdm
23:47<chealer>Cackette: then start it
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23:48<nitefire>Anyone willing to coach me a little on the anjuta programming IDE?
23:48<Cackette>how, typing kdm doesnt do anything
23:48<sam1>Does anyone know what to do when they encounter this error?
23:48<chealer>Cackette: # invoke-rc.d kdm start
23:48<sam1>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
23:49<Cackette>kdm already running
23:49<chealer>Cackette: then try # invoke-rc.d kdm restart
23:49<Cackette>ok, now what
23:49<Cackette>stopped and started
23:50<chealer>Cackette: do you see kdm now?
23:50<Cackette>still gnome
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23:50<chealer>Cackette: did you close gnome before restarting kdm?
23:50<Cackette>how lol
23:51<chealer>Cackette: how to close gnome? I don't use it, but I suppose it should be fairly obvious.
23:52<Cackette>cant say it is lol
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23:52<chealer>Cackette: did you scan the menus at the top of the screen?
23:52<Cackette>what, to get back to the command-line?
23:53<chealer>sam1: if you don't mind, what are you doing?
23:53<chealer>Cackette: yes, to close gnome
23:53<Cackette>that'll disconnect me from IRC
23:53<Cackette>then i wont know how to get back into KDE
23:54<Cackette>if i close gnome to get to the command line, apt-get remove gnome, then startx, should i be in KDE?
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23:55<chealer>Cackette: is gdm installed?
23:55<bjb>Cackette, apt-get remove gnome won't do it - remove gdm instead
23:55<chealer>Cackette: remove it, then restart kdm
23:55<Cackette>gonna try
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23:58<Cackette>ok, back in KDE
23:58<Cackette>now, no sound
23:59<Cackette>oh, weird, i could swear i had alsa installed
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