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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-01

---Logopened Tue Jan 01 00:00:14 2008
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01:10<piper>Happy New Year #debian
01:10<piper>from #sidux
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01:15<geekunit>Any other cheap laptops exist besides the Asus Eee and Zonbu?
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01:19<dondelelcaro>geekunit: quite a few, actually
01:19<knewt>there are lots of cheap laptops. cheap whilst being physically small and good, however, that's a different matter ;)
01:20<dondelelcaro>from the $400 OLPC XO to the gigabyte laptops and other sub $500 ones
01:20[~]dondelelcaro personally has been looking closely at the U810
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01:24<geekunit>What's the best option for around $300? (amount of x-mas cash)
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01:25<dondelelcaro>depends what you plan on doing with it, and how big/small it has ot be
01:25<geekunit>Size isn't a big deal. Just for web surfing at home. Probably load debian base, then throw on KDE and IceWeasel
01:26<dondelelcaro>why a laptop then?
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01:27<geekunit>Because my apartment is sooo incredibly small. I don't think I could fit a desk w/ monitor in the bedroom
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01:36<dondelelcaro>geekunit: well, there are some laptops that are that cheap, though you may want to consider buying used on ebay
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01:57<bernardo>Happy new Year!!!
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02:00<dpkg>hmm... samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
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03:48<freex>hi all
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03:54<tourist>j'ai un probleme
03:54<tourist>je n'arrive pas a installé ma carte graphique G-force 2MX sous denain
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04:00<zeal>tourist: english please :)
04:01<knewt>firefox-- # ok, so i managed to close the browser tab by mistake before you'd /actually/ even brought up the "printing..." dialog. THAT'S NO BLOODY REASON TO FUCKING DIE, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
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04:03<shardz_ez>what program should a newb use to set up samba?
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04:04<dpkg>i heard smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see <CIFS>, or Super Mario Brothers, or ask me about <samba>
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04:06<htraki>hi guys
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04:45<Guest1843>wats yr name
04:46<htraki>Tamas Hoppar
04:46<Guest1843>im ajay
04:46<Guest1843>whr ur from
04:46<Guest1843>nice ....
04:46<htraki>and you?
04:46<Guest1843>im just testing this Xchat
04:47<Guest1843>im from India
04:47<htraki>you did not use it before?
04:47<Guest1843>r u on Xchat
04:47<Guest1843>thanks ...
04:47<htraki>you welcome
04:48<Guest1843>can u help me to use this chat...
04:48<htraki>i hope
04:48<Guest1843>like how to viw members
04:48<Guest1843>how to add
04:49<htraki>I dont know,I did not add any before
04:49<Guest1843>so how u find me...
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04:49<htraki>well,you are in this channel
04:50<Guest1843>anyway...first of all Wish u Happy New Year...
04:50<htraki>I wish you too,happy new year
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04:50<Guest1843>wat u do ?
04:50<htraki>just chating
04:51<htraki>chat also on skype
04:51<Guest1843>yr profession dear?
04:51<Guest1843>wait i wl be bak after 5 mins....
04:51<htraki>ok,see ya
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05:03<oddtod>hey guys whats a good i'm looking for a program that monitors my laptops battery whats a good one for this?
05:04<htraki>do you use gnome?
05:04<valdyn>oddtod: rightclick your panel, select "Add to panel", pick the Battery thing
05:04<htraki>dont you have that panel applet in the right corner?
05:05<htraki>by default it is there
05:05<htraki>by me
05:05<valdyn>htraki: sounds like gnome-power-manager's icon
05:06<htraki>is not good enough?
05:06<oddtod>yeah its normally there but when i set it up i just selected desktop and not the laptop in tasksel
05:06<oddtod> and wheni went back and installed it
05:06<oddtod>its not there now
05:07<oddtod>its there NOW but wasn't there from start
05:07<valdyn>oddtod: run "gnome-power-preferences" and swith on the icon
05:08<oddtod>do ijust put that on the command line?
05:08<valdyn>oddtod: sure
05:09<oddtod>nothing came up
05:09<valdyn>oddtod: its in your menu too, but finding that is more work for me
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05:12<oddtod>valdyn long time no see where ya been?
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05:33<deadcake>Cruise now i can reach -1db (maximum of the indicator in dsp winamp plugin)
05:34<deadcake>damn..wrong chan
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05:42<Guest1843>Hi everybdy
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05:53<Guest1843>r u der?
05:54<Guest1843>how do i view other members in list...
05:54<Guest1843>can u see all members in list
05:54<htraki>in xchat it is on right side,but it is hidden by default
05:55<Guest1843>how do i unhide
05:56<htraki>go to the right side, till the mouse changes
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05:57<magaly>hi happy year
05:57<htraki>hi,happy new year
05:58<magaly>i have a problem with debian sid, i have not X, have a ati radeon
05:58<htraki>yes ..
05:58<magaly>how can i working it?
05:58<htraki>I need your xorg.conf in pastebin
05:59<magaly>how can i done it?
05:59<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
05:59<magaly>well without X is very dificult for mi
06:00<magaly>my english is very bad
06:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:01<magaly>there are nobody there
06:01<htraki>pastebin is a website,not a channel
06:01<magaly>the error is 104 Nomodes found
06:01<magaly>the error is 104 No modes found
06:02<magaly>No valid modes
06:02<htraki>can you send it via mail?
06:02<noflash>and there are people in #debian-es on
06:02<magaly>well wait i can change that ubuntu, wait
06:03<magaly>noflash there are nick but no persons
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06:03<magaly>my grafics card is ati radeon 7000 /VE
06:04<htraki>ok,send it here
06:04<htraki>as file
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06:05<magaly>well i chage my S.O. and caome back
06:05<magaly>thank htraki
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06:06<htraki>you welcome
06:08<Guest1843>on wat topic you r disscussing
06:08<htraki>debian,I think
06:08<Guest1843>ok thanks
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06:09<Guest1843>can u help me ...abt how to find list of installed components as software
06:10<htraki>dpkg -l,in command line
06:10<htraki>or you can see them in synaptic
06:10<Guest1843>synaptic ?
06:11<Nemoder>or aptitude
06:11<Guest1843>wats r these ?
06:11<Nemoder>programs that manage debian software
06:12<Guest1843> i just type it on cmd line
06:12<Guest1843>thanks its working dpkg
06:12<dpkg>Guest1843: de rien
06:13<Guest1843>how to uninstall certain s/w
06:14<Guest1843>im using Knoppix Live cd...
06:15<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
06:16<Guest1843>can i install s/w individualy on my hdd..which i can use on next boot
06:16<Guest1843>like firefox is working....
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06:17<uzver2>Ñ íîâûì ãîäîì)!!
06:17<uzver2>åñòü êòî ðóññêèé?
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06:19<fxiny>de rien ? so this year dpgk turns to a fr* ops , to a frencbot ? :P
06:19<fxiny>oui oui oh la la
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06:23<htraki>Guest1483: What sw do you need?
06:23<adii>my sound output is bugged : always playing the same "song" (I mean part of a song, as with old cds when they are flawed ...)
06:23<htraki>Guest 1483 apt-get install <sw name >
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06:23<adii>is there a way to solve that ? like free /dev/dsp :p
06:24<htraki>adii: reboot
06:24<fxiny>what client ?
06:24<fxiny>adii: ^^
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06:25<fxiny>adii: xmms ? amarok ? totem ? mpg123-321 ? which one ?
06:26<adii>lemme look @ ps
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06:27<fxiny>adii: ps ? hmmm : too much champagne i guess :P
06:27<adii>champagne is the best (=
06:27<adii>on "ps" there's just "artsd" running and i've no clue whether this can be the cause of my sound problem (& maybe hangover)
06:28<htraki>artsd does :P
06:28<adii>so i just kill it ?
06:28<htraki>yes,try it
06:29<adii>it worked
06:29<adii>i mean there's no more artsd
06:29<adii>but there's still that noise
06:29<adii>but that's a good thing we got rid of artsd lol
06:30<htraki>but it is starting everytime with kde
06:30<htraki>could be your mic
06:30<fxiny>adii: you can disable arts via kde ccenter but what is the audio app you are running ?
06:30<adii>actually .. nothing :p
06:30<fxiny>don't just blame arts
06:30<adii>yesterday i was listening to some radio on xmms
06:30<fxiny>nothing ?
06:30<adii>but i closed it up
06:31<adii>and there's no trace of it on "ps"
06:32<fxiny>adii: run : fuser -v /dev/snd/* and fuser -v /dev/dsp
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06:33<adii>it replies : /dev/snd/controlC0: adii 4080 F.... pidgin
06:33<adii>and : /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: adii 4080 F...m pidgin
06:33<htraki>pidgin :D
06:33<adii>and something else with pidgin
06:33<adii>c'mon pidgin how come ... you lil ...
06:33<adii>oh yup now i've closed that pidgin thing the song is normal again
06:34<fxiny>so just leave arts on
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06:34<Guest1843>how to add network printer? can any 1 help me now...its urgent plz
06:34<htraki>yes, you can do it
06:34<adii>yea. he too has the rights to celebrate the new year
06:35<htraki>localost:631 in browser
06:35<htraki>if you have cups
06:35<adii>cupsd ftw
06:35<Guest1843>how to see srvice for cups is running
06:36<Guest1843>ya it says running in normal mode
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06:37<oddtod>go to
06:37<oddtod>that should get you to the cups web interface
06:37<Guest1843>ok ok
06:37<htraki>sorry,i mistyped the URL
06:38<oddtod>i didn't even noctice looked right at a glance
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06:39<oddtod>htraki: is there a way i can get my normal debian to run in ram when i want it to like if i wasn't doing anything cpu intensive?
06:40<htraki>I dont know
06:40<oddtod>i'm looking to save battery life on my laptop
06:41<htraki>just pull out the battery,some laptops are working if
06:41<htraki>you use the adapter
06:42<htraki>but bw ware first switch off your laptop
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06:42<htraki>before you take the battery out
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06:42<Guest1843>i m going...thanks
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06:43<htraki>good bye
06:46<oddtod>no i meant when i'm on batter power
06:47<oddtod>like if i'm just doing some light work in vim i don't want it running the hdd
06:47<oddtod>do you know how i would make it so it showed my comman line responses in color
06:48<htraki>perheaps somebody else know here
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06:48<oddtod>yeah it seems were the only ones in the room hha
06:49<htraki>everybody listening
06:49<htraki>or busy
06:49<oddtod>yeah i know i'm not to worried if it gets answered it gets answered i've gone this long with out it
06:49<oddtod>doesn't have to be done now
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06:51<fxiny>oddtod: run vim , then type : help syntax
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06:52<oddtod>thanks fxiny
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06:52<oddtod>i know i can do it with a --color=tty
06:53<oddtod>but i hate haveing to put that every time and i'd like it to work with vim so i'll look in there
06:53<fxiny>oddtod: np
06:53<htraki>why dont you put in your .vimrc
06:54<fxiny>oddtod: say you open a .pl file , just type :syntax on
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06:55<fxiny>no clues if that works with python too :P
06:55<fxiny>but i can assure you , emacs has a nice color scheme :P
06:55<oddtod>can i make it so it does that by default?
06:56<fxiny>yes you can
06:56<oddtod>i need to learn something better then nano
06:56<htraki>learn vim :D
06:57<oddtod>fxiny is supporting the Emacs
06:57<htraki>and vim too
06:57<oddtod>yeah i need to learn at least one of them i know that
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06:57<oddtod>do you know of a way if i just wanted to add a line to a text file i could just witha command?
06:58<oddtod>if i recall seeing an instructor doing it, he used echo
06:58<oddtod>but i could be lying to you
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06:58<htraki>like : echo " text" > file
06:59<oddtod>now is there a way i can tell it how far to go down or will that just dump it to the end of the file
06:59<fxiny>oddtod: append is >> so cat >> file , then start writing or echo "bla bla" >> file
07:00<fxiny>oddtod: exit cat with C-d , Ctrl-d
07:01<oddtod>so if i wanted to add hello to the end of a file i would put >> so cat >> random.txt then type what i want hit enter then ctrl-d out?
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07:02<oddtod>man that works great
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07:02<fxiny>yes , check out sed awk and a good bash tutorial
07:03<fxiny>dpkg: a bash tutorial first . get a good one
07:03<oddtod>will do thanks fxiny you're a great helop
07:04<fxiny>oddtod: google for sed (and awk) one liner , to have a taste of it
07:04<oddtod>what is sed awk?
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07:05<fxiny>sed is a powerful stream editor
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07:05<fxiny>awk is best with lists
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07:05<fxiny>anytime you feel the file you are editing is a list just go for awk
07:06<oddtod>awsome first line of tutorial is 'the awful truth of sed' that makes me feel reassured
07:06<fxiny>oddtod: bash is your best friend
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07:08<oddtod>yeah i really want to get to learn the CLI a lot better, coming from a windows world you tend to lean on your mouse too much... cli is so much more powerful
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07:11<oddtod>while i have you anything else you think a person might want to learn if they trying to learn to admin linux?
07:12<oddtod>oh and what is the best IRC client to use i really like the feel of MIRC if there is anything similar to that i would really like that
07:13<fxiny>oddtod: bash ,sed , awk , perl and python or python and perl :P , then c c++ .
07:14<fxiny>oddtod: irc client : irssi
07:14<oddtod>i'm trying to learn PHP now thats been some fun so far
07:15<fxiny>oddtod: i prefere perl but i suggest you to start with python
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07:16<fxiny>oddtod: a bash tutorial is crucial , a good one
07:16<oddtod>python seems like the craziest thing to me
07:16<oddtod>bash i'm not really too afriad of learning a lot about bash it kinda seems fun
07:16<fxiny>so just go for it , don't look around just go
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07:17<fxiny>oddtod: remember : i am just a user
07:18<oddtod>thank you fxiny
07:18<oddtod>its been fun but right now its 5 or so i think
07:18<fxiny>oddtod: welcome to the right side of the moon
07:18<oddtod>and i'm getting sleep happy new year and thanks for your help hope to see you around
07:18<oddtod>you seem to have your stuff in order though
07:19<htraki>good bye,and happy new year
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07:25<Palm76>Hi everybody, something weird is going on. My dvd drive keeps changing between /dev/hdc and /dev/scd0.
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08:02<GAD>÷òî òóò çà õóéíÿ?
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08:21<peyman>Hi everyone, I get this wiered error when mounting the cdrom: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'". Well it used to work until few months ago at least! But how come the iso9660 filesystem module is suddenly removed!? Any idea how to make it work?
08:22<peyman>hoho, thanks, module was not loaded! Strage!!!
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08:26<Karyom>anyone alive?
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08:31<Silensius>does any one know the meaning of error 17 from GRUB loader ?
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08:36<izzi>Silensius: do you install after linux winxp?
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08:37<izzi>okay read
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08:37<Silensius>i resize a xp ntfs partition for preserve a hidden recovery partion
08:37<izzi>use the live cd
08:37<Silensius>yes i am now on live cd
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08:39<kira>hi all how can i get a bash complation
08:40<kira>i used this but it fails
08:40<kira>if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
08:40<kira> . /etc/bash_completion
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08:40<Silensius>thanks izzi i understand now
08:42<izzi>Silensius: great goodluck
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08:47<pretender84>for some reason, everytime I reboot, I loose my audio
08:48<pretender84>I have to run alsaconf everytime to get it back
08:48<pretender84>does anyone have an idea why this is happening?
08:48<fxiny>alsactl store
08:48<pretender84>what does that do?
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08:49<fxiny>have a guess
08:49<pretender84>stores the settings?
08:49<bremner>man alsactl
08:49<pretender84>i see
08:50<pretender84>I am going to reboot and see what happens
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09:03<pretender84>crap....didn't work
09:03<pretender84>still no audio
09:07<sooperkuh>pretender84: Is the alsamixer volume turned all the way down after reboot, or is the sound module missing?
09:07<pretender84>all maxed out
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09:08<pretender84>i noticed that on reboot, i saw where it said modprobe.d exists, but not referenced in .....
09:08<pretender84>or something to that effect
09:09<pretender84>is there a log file that I can look in for the full message?
09:09<sooperkuh>do you use a official debian supplied kernel?
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09:21<southernC>can someone help im trying to make a initrd.img using lenny and it by using mkinitrd -o command it says not found and i cant find a packge in the mirrorsa
09:21<MrNaz_>does the OS automatically clear *all* files from the /tmp/ directory eventually, and if so, how does it determine if the file is no longer needed by an application ?
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09:23<southernC>n/m its called something different
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09:31<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: it does on reboot, otherwise no.
09:32<dondelelcaro>(and that's precisely the reason why)
09:32<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: everything that creates files in /tmp should be deleting them when it is done with them
09:32<MrNaz_>dondelelcaro eek!
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09:32<dondelelcaro>if it doesn't, it's buggy.
09:33<dondelelcaro>using a user tmpdir+tmpreaper can help somewhat with this issue, though running tmpreaper systemwide is a really bad idea.
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09:34<MrNaz_>i'm writing a web app
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09:34<MrNaz_>and my assumption thus far has been i can leave tmp files there and they magically go away when the fairies realize i'm done with them
09:34<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: ah, well, your web app should be removing files from /tmp when it's done with them
09:34[~]MrNaz_ discovers that tmp fairies dont exist
09:34<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: you are creating your files in /tmp safely, right?
09:34<dipu>hi there , i have a Sony vaio laptop do i enable the volume control hot keys on the keyboard
09:34[~]MrNaz_ is even more shattered than when he discovered the tooth fairy doesnt exist
09:35<southernC>santa does though so its ok
09:35<MrNaz_>dondelelcaro if by safely you mean checking that the file doesnt exist before creating it, then yes
09:35<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: uh... no, I mean using tmpdir or tmpnam
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09:35<knewt>MrNaz_: that's not safe enough
09:35<MrNaz_>dondelelcaro oh... how do you do that?
09:36<southernC>Mrnanz whats the name of this program so i know never to use it and blowup a server (;0/
09:36<MrNaz_>southernC it's never going to be released :P
09:36<MrNaz_>so you'll never get to use it anyway :P
09:36<southernC>aww lol
09:36<knewt>MrNaz_: webapp::check file doesn't exit. it doesn't. evil::create symlink to something that exists webapp::create file, blowing existing file away. whoops.
09:37<dondelelcaro>MrNaz_: depends on what language your webapp is in
09:37<MrNaz_>dondelelcaro php... i'll look it up i'm sure it has a func to do that
09:37<MrNaz_>what do you know
09:38<dondelelcaro>you probably actually want to use mkdtemp, but you'll figure that out
09:39<MrNaz_>now i have to rewrite all my friggin' file handling stuff
09:39<MrNaz_>that's ok... it was a damn mess anyway
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09:39<knewt>MrNaz_: so, hope you're using x/x+ modes for creating these temp files, not w/w+
09:39<MrNaz_>knewt yeap
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09:40<MrNaz_>knewt well... for the files that arent being created by the GD lib anwyay
09:41<knewt>MrNaz_: do these temp files have to persist past the end of a single page access?
09:41<dipu>hi there , i have a Sony vaio laptop do i enable the volume control hot keys on the keyboard
09:41<MrNaz_>knewt no
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09:41<MrNaz_>dipu you'd need to get drivers from sony
09:42<dipu>MrNaz thanks
09:42<knewt>MrNaz_: in that case probably better to use tmpfile() -- "Creates a temporary file with a unique name in read-write (w+) mode and returns a file handle. The file is automatically removed when closed (using fclose()), or when the script ends."
09:43<dipu>i have another question .. how do i write to NTFS from debian
09:43<dipu>i have installed ntfs 3g
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09:44<MrNaz_>knewt hmm... no i need to get filenames, as GD creates file handles itself
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09:45<knewt>ah, oh well
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09:48<knewt>MrNaz_: you'll be using register_shutdown_function instead then, right?
09:48<MrNaz_>no, why would i?
09:49<MrNaz_>GD returns the file as a handle, i write it to the tmp name, and then delete it myself
09:49<MrNaz_>why would i need to set a callback?
09:49<knewt>to unlink the temp file at the end of the script, just in case an exception occurs between the file being created and you going to delete it
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09:52<MrNaz_>knewt not sure if i want to start doing stuff like that
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09:53<MrNaz_>the web servers will get rebooted every so often, if there *are* exceptions they will be extremely rare, as deployed code *should* be fairly stable and the environments are strictly controlled (nothing else runs on the web servers)
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09:55<knewt>suppose. at the very least, once nothing outside the script needs the file any more you can unlink it (i'm assuming of course you're not running this on windows)
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09:55<ianlee91>i have a question that i would appreciate any assistance I can get on
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09:57<ianlee91>I had a Dell and a compaq ipaq running REd Hat 9 and had sound on the ipaq but not sure about on the dell as i had no speakers for it
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09:59<ianlee91>but now I am running the latest Debian on my girlfriend's Dell and I have no sound
09:59<user01>what model is it?
09:59<ianlee91>and is the same no matter what distribution I install
09:59<user01>and what sound card?
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10:00<ianlee91>dell dimension and the sound card output for lspci comes up as sound blaster live
10:00<ianlee91>i have to look in the windows system information to see if that is the same there
10:01<ianlee91>the lspci says that the driver is emu10k1 or something like that
10:02<user01>ianlee91, what sound server are you using, alsa?
10:02<ianlee91>02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
10:02<ianlee91>02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] Input device con troller
10:02<ianlee91>02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81)
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10:02<ianlee91>so far as i am aware yes, alsa is what it defaulted to
10:03<user01>have you run alsamixer to check the settings of the levels?
10:03<pretender84>I am compiling my alsa modules, and it says that if I use devfs for me not to run snddevices
10:03<pretender84>does debian use devfs?
10:04<user01>ianlee91, emu10k1x is correct for the dell oem per wikipedia
10:06<user01>ianlee91, have you tried running audio as root to see if it is a permissions error?
10:07<ianlee91>no i haven't
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10:09<user01>ianlee91, im just going through lists of things to do with this card for debian etch
10:10<dipu>hi .. how do i write to NTFS from debian .. i have installed ntfs3g
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10:14<user01>ianlee91, oh it might be an unsupported card
10:14<ianlee91>that is what i suspect... which sucks
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10:15<ianlee91>wish there was a work around because i hate having no music
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10:15<user01>ianlee91, you can install alsa 1.0.5 or greater
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10:18<dipu>hi .. how do i write to NTFS from debian .. i have installed ntfs3g
10:18<bremner>!tell dipu about patience
10:19<fxiny>dipu: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdaxxx /mnt/point -o umask=0,nls=utf8
10:20<fxiny>be patient : xp is a pig :P
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10:27<dipu>thanks fxiny
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10:34<dipu>hi there .. how do i setup my preferred applications .. for example i want to play .avi files with xine / mp3 with amarok ??
10:35<kmap>dipu: Which desktop environment are you using?
10:35<dipu>gnome on etch
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10:36<kmap>dipu: I am not too good at this, but what about right click and doign some magic? :-)
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10:43<dipu>thanks kmap .. i tried changing properties -> open with but still all files open in totem
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10:53<kmap>dipu: I am not a Gnome user, so...
10:53<kmap>dipu: How about fiddling around in gnome-control-center or nautilus?
10:53[~]kmap hopes I'm not sending dipu into a wild-goose chase! ;-)
10:56<sooperkuh>dipu: There is System->Preferences->Preferred Applications, tab "Multimedia"
10:57<sooperkuh>If that does not help, then right-click on a file of the respective type, choose "Open with Other Application" and select the program of your choice.
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11:04<dipu>i am not sure if i am loking at the corect place .. i did desktop-> Preferences ->>Preferred Applications and dont see Multimedia tab i see only internet and system
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11:07<sooperkuh>hm, maybe that is different in unstable (I am using Gnome 2.20 from unstable). Maybe that one was combined from a seperate "Multimedia" control panel or similar? It's strang how fast you forget these things.
11:07<fxiny>dipu: check apt-cache (and policy) gnome-media , amarok is a kde audio apps
11:09<fxiny>lemme boot etch into gnome
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11:11<fxiny>dipu: applications > sound&video ?
11:12<Element14>dipu: i think in nautilus if you click on "properties" for the file in question, you will have a window with a tab that allows you to set the default application...
11:13<dipu>element14 i tried that .. but it does not wrork
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11:13<dipu>element14 do i have to do it as admin
11:13<Element14>how did you open your files? using nautilus or...?
11:13<Element14>dipu: no
11:14<dipu>yes .. i opened using nautilis
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11:15<Element14>hmm... that's weird. that should be the place to do it...
11:16<fxiny>right click > open with other applications ?
11:16<dipu>element14 ..does it work for you
11:17<Element14>dipu: it does (well, at least i thought it did)... nautilus crashes a bit in lenny when i click on properties so i went to change config files
11:17<lupine>MIME type associations
11:17<zeal>hey,guys, I think debian is much clean than other dists, how do you think?
11:17[~]fxiny goes back to flux
11:18<lupine>depends what you mean by cleaner
11:19<Element14>dipu: FYI, the config files are in ~/.local/share/applications/* if you don't trust the GUI to do it...
11:19<lupine>apt-cache show pornview
11:19<zeal>lupine: it does not have twists on GUI and etc.
11:19<fxiny>dipu: have you checked this ? > click > open with other applications
11:19<Element14>and, as fxiny mentioned... do you have the "open with other applications" on right click?
11:19<lupine>well, at least it's blue
11:19<fxiny>right click*
11:20<dipu>fxiny .. i want to setup my default application ... so that whenever i double click a mp3 it opens with that application
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11:21<lupine>I know how to do it in KDE... :D
11:21<fxiny>dipu: i'm back to fluxbox . try > right click > open with other applications , remeber amarok is a kde app
11:21<Dax>I'm on linux man
11:21<Dax>1st timer here
11:22<fxiny>dipu: the real game as lupine said is mime type association . check /etc/mailcap
11:22<zeal>I once used kubuntu, but the apps in it crashed all the time, so I switched back to debian again.
11:23<Element14>zeal: it was that bad???
11:23<fxiny>dipu: make a back up of mailcap if you wannna play with it
11:23<Dax>I'm on knoppix 5.10
11:23<zeal>And I think I will never leave debian again.
11:23<dipu>sure fxiny thanks
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11:23<fxiny>dipu: np
11:23<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
11:23<zeal>Element14: yeah, trust me , ubuntu puts all its energy on gnome
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11:24<lupine>zeal: oh no it doesn't!
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11:24<Element14>haha i dunno. i use gnome and debian ;-p
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11:24<zeal>Element14: well, you are lucky :D
11:24<robokop>help, i'm on lenny and when i try to mail using ssmtp i get an libc error
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11:25<Dax>lol, my hard drives dead in this particular computer I'm just having some fun with a live CD
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11:25<fxiny>i believe you feel debian is clean cause you sense the freedom associated with debian m and you breathe . maybe the ethic flag too
11:25<fxiny>but i am a dreamer ...
11:25<lupine>robokop: that's not good.
11:25<Element14>zeal: well i got a few minor crashes on lenny though... mostly nautilus but the gtk file dialog is dog slow :(
11:25<lupine>how did you install ssmtp?
11:26<Dax>any of you use the 3D Desktop enviroment?
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11:26<zeal>fxiny: I think by "clean" I mostly mean that apps in debian act more likely in the way they are suppose to
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11:27<zeal>Element14: oh, man It's time to think about KDE in debian LOL :D
11:27<robokop>lupine: apt-get install ssmtp
11:27<Dax>hi andreas
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11:27<andreas>I need help by setting up postfix smtp
11:27<lupine>you might want to try an upgrade or dist-upgrade, assuming your sources.list is sane
11:27<andreas>can someone help me?
11:27<lupine>(e.g. only contains lenny sources)
11:27<zeal>andreas: what's up?
11:28<Element14>andreas: apt-get install postfix?
11:28<lupine>looks like libc6 was updated in lenny recently
11:28<andreas>I have set up postfix dovecot with mysql (
11:28<robokop>lupine: just done that and still same problem
11:28<andreas>but I cannot connect to the smtp port 25
11:28<lupine>hehe. I "Need to get 347MB of archives."
11:28<andreas>connection refused
11:28<lupine>robokop: maybe time to report a bug then
11:28<andreas>but postfix is still running
11:28<zeal>andreas: netstat ?
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11:29<zeal>andreas: is port 25 really open?
11:29<andreas>nothing with port 25
11:29<fxiny>zeal: you can find the same apps in other distro ;)
11:29<andreas>netstat -na | grep 25
11:29<andreas>no port 25
11:29<fxiny>pretty the same
11:29<Element14>andreas: check syslog, probably postfix died due to some misconfiguration or something
11:30<andreas>ok I will check it now...
11:30<zeal>fxiny: yeah, you are right, but sometimes they behave quite different because other distros have cooked their config files
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11:31<andreas>warning: /etc/postfix/ logical line must not start with whitespace: "?smtp
11:31<andreas> inet n - ..."
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11:31<zeal>andreas: check your log file ?
11:31<andreas>daemon started -- version 2.3.8, configuration /etc/postfix
11:31<zeal>zeal: any error log file ?
11:31<andreas>thats all
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11:32<zeal>Element14: I just can't wait to use KDE4
11:32<Element14>andreas: what does `ps aux | grep postfix` show?
11:32<fxiny>zeal: i totally agree with you about the cooking :)
11:32<robokop>lupine: bugreporting is via mail
11:32<andreas>root 3160 0.0 0.1 4816 1572 ? Ss 17:30 0:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master
11:33<robokop>lupine: hmm
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11:33<zeal>fxiny: //hand
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11:33<fxiny>streuner: some distro are boiling up already boiled eggs ;)
11:33<Element14>zeal: can't wait to try it out either. one thing i love about gnome is nautilus.... from what i've read they're going to use a dedicated file manager instead of konq, which looks good
11:33<fxiny>streuner: sorry
11:34<fxiny>zeal: ^^^ ;)
11:34<zeal>fxiny: :P
11:34<Wangster>hey folks got a quick question (or maybe not so) I just install test and have 4 drives in the system 2 on primary none on secondary and 2 on a ata/133 controller card. The device names keep changing on me and screwing up boot and I can't seem to resolve the issue anyone have any input?
11:34<andreas>any other ideas?
11:35<zeal>andreas: pgrep postfix returns nothing ?
11:35<lupine>Wangster: the order in which the modules for your controllers is loaded is sort of random, and that'll be what's causing the problem
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11:35<Wangster>how do I control that?
11:35<andreas>yes right... it returns nothing
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11:35<zeal>andreas: that means your postfix has quitted
11:35<lupine>you could hardwire the loading order, or you could use a more permanent device naming scheme - like uuids or labels
11:36<andreas>hm. but still running in the process list...
11:36<zeal>andreas: does it have error log files in /var/log/ ?
11:36<Wangster>hmm it's been awhile since I messed with this where can I find more information on doing any of those :P
11:36<andreas>last log is: daemon started -- version 2.3.8, configuration /etc/postfix
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11:36<Element14>zeal: i think his postfix is still running
11:37<Element14>it seems that the postfix daemon is called "master"...
11:37<andreas>and ps -aux | grep postfix -> root 3160 0.0 0.1 4816 1572 ? Ss 17:30 0:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master
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11:37<zeal>Element14: oh, I see
11:37<Element14>andreas: what happens if you do `netstat -apn | grep master` ?
11:37<andreas>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7878 3052/dovecot-auth /var/run/dovecot/auth-master
11:37<andreas>unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 8224 3160/master
11:38<Element14>andreas: only two lines???
11:38<zeal>Element14: unix sockets,......
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11:39<zeal>Dammit, at least it should logged the "bind 25 failure"
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11:40<Element14>andreas: i would conjecture that it's a configuration problem.. the link you gave is really long and it's not hard to imagine some fsckups somewhere
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11:41<andreas>Ok. probably it's better if I would reinstall postfix
11:41<zeal>andreas: reconfig
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11:41<Element14>andreas: yeah would be a good idea
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11:42<Element14>(remember to --purge)
11:42<andreas>okay. thanks a lot... I will try it again
11:42<zeal>andreas: I'd suggest to dpkg-reconfigure first :)
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11:42<mauricio>hi all, anybody knows if exists a compiz related channel?
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11:44<andreas>okay. Thanks @zeal and Element14
11:44<zeal>andreas: ur welcome
11:45<zeal>Element14: what is "np", :) I am a irc newbie
11:45<Element14>supposedly stands for 'no problem'...
11:46<zeal>Element14: I see ;)
11:47<betel>I have two soundcards. How do I force the same one to be dsp0 every time?
11:47<zeal>Element14: you know few people use irc nowadays in our country
11:49<Element14>and i've never seen anybody use irc in where i live... (except geeks)
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11:50<betel>Where I live everybody is a geek, by "international standard".
11:50<zeal>betel: I think you may need to hack /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent.rules
11:50<betel>ok zeal. I'll look at it
11:50<zeal>betel: however, I don't know how :(
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11:51<zeal>betel: but for ethXXX devices it is simple
11:51<zeal>betel: no idea for snd .......
11:52<zeal>Element14: yeah ,we are geeks|nurds, LOL
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11:52<betel>strangly I've never had ny mixups of my 3 eth devices, only my two soundcards
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11:52<fxiny>betel: man alsamixer . alsamixer -c1 ?
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11:53<zeal>betel: the z25_persistent-net.rules has already remembered that
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11:53<betel>fxiny: that would probably solve it for alsa, but I'd perfer /dev/dsp0 to point to the right card
11:53<zeal>zeal: I guess there is no default rules for snd
11:53<fxiny>betel: you not running alsa ?
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11:54<betel>fxiny, yes I do, but do all apps go through alsa?
11:55<fxiny>betel: like xmms ? you tell 'em to
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11:56<fxiny>alsamixer is a neat way to switch card
11:56<betel>fxiny: true. it does solve the problem
11:56<zeal>betel: well, most multimedia apps have alsa backends/plugins nowadays......
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11:56<betel>but it would be a nicer solution for dsp0 to point to the right card, if even possible :)
11:57<fxiny>some game problems ? quake ?
11:57<fxiny>i can't recall how atm
11:57<betel>but doesn't the card number that alsamixer needs as an arguement also change when dsp0 and dsp1 get mixed up?
11:57<zeal>fxiny: I like quakeIII
11:57<Wangster>lupine: how do I force the order of modules loading? /etc/modules doesn't seem to be helping to much :P
11:57<fxiny>zeal: :))
11:58<zeal>Wangster: why you need to order the loading ?
11:59<zeal>Wangster: most modules load on demand
11:59<Wangster>my hard drives keep coming up in random order :P
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11:59<Wangster>I have a IDE controller card in addition to the controller on the mother board
11:59<betel>ordering the loading might also solve my dsp0 <-> dsp1 problem
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12:00<zeal>Wangster: well, man, in my opinion, you fall into the same problem with betel:
12:00<Wangster>so sometimes my root disk is hde1 the hda1 :P
12:00<Element14>Wangster: well the stuff in /dev/disk might help
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12:01<Wangster>doh... this is new :P
12:01<Wangster>how does one use this /dev/disk? :P
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12:03<Wangster>yeah but how do I control the device names? or do I use that as the device name?
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12:04<Wangster>like root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/374d273-823dn83-8923jd2d-9283dj23d ??
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12:04<Element14>Wangster: guess so... (i never actually used it like that before)
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12:05<KaiSVK>hi all
12:05<lupine>Wangster: remember that you're working with the initrd
12:05<KaiSVK>and have a happy new year, I wish a LOT of success to Debian !
12:05<lupine>I've no idea what it's internal structure is, but you'd have to make any changes in accordance with that
12:06<betel>hi KaiSVK
12:06<lupine>so specifying the modules in a particular order in the /etc/modules *of the initrd* might work
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12:07<Wangster>lol dear lord :P
12:07<lupine>nobody promised this was going to be easy :p
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12:07<Element14>initrd probably uses some hardware discovery tools to load modules anyway, so i doubt whether hard coding them in /etc/modules would work......
12:07<zeal>sorry, I lost my connect because my XIM fails
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12:08<lupine>Element14: or some udev wizardry. perhaps
12:08<Element14>i think the stuff in /dev/disk are already done by udev?
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12:08<zeal>Element14: well, I never tried to use it as root device
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12:08<lupine>Or removing the non-essential module (i.e. the one not ontrolling /) from the initrd completely - that'd keep it from being loaded first
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12:09<Wangster>yeah I think i can use those to force mount something or another ... kill me thx :P
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12:09<zeal>Wangster: well, I think you never mixed up your device name before udev is up, right ?
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12:10<Wangster>not sure... it's been a very long time since I've reinstalled linux :P
12:10<zeal>Wangster: which means during the age of grub->kernel->initrd but before udev has started
12:10<Wangster>hmmm I think udev does mess it up.... the kernel detects hda as hda .. then it becomes hde for some reason :P
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12:12<zeal>Wangster: udev try to map the same device ID to the same name, bug kernel only take the ordering of cable lines
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12:12<zeal>Wangster: that's where all the mess come out :)
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12:13<Wangster>hmm gunna try using this /dev/disk info ;P
12:14<zeal>Wangster: I'd suggest pass root=/dev/hda to kernel while modify the fstab to /dev/disk/xxxxxxx
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12:15<zeal>Wangster: but I am not quite sure about that :), you'd use the try-and-error approach
12:16<Wangster>sigh .. :P
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12:16<zeal>Wangster: Don't blame me, if you have your box burned down LOL
12:16<Wangster>fresh install anyway :P
12:17<Wangster>now I just need a refresher cource in vi ... :P
12:17<zeal>Wangster: and an alternative is to hack the /etc/udev/rules.d/XXXX
12:18<Element14>zeal: you seem to like to advise people to hack it ;-p
12:18<zeal>Wangster: this is where I need to lay a hand if I mixxed up my ethXXXXX
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12:19<zeal>Element14: yeap :D, where are geeks,right ? geeks need to hack a lot
12:19<Hideo>hack with a saw :P
12:20<pretender84>I use 2 usb to serial convertors (gsm modem and gps) , is there any way I can statically assign which one is ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1?
12:20<Wangster>now if only I could get my dual ethernet devices to stop switching names on me... arg
12:21<zeal>Wangster: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
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12:22<ifvoid>zeal: indeed
12:22<zeal>ifvoid: :)
12:22<ifvoid>pretender84: and something similar could be used for ttys, too
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12:23<Robinayor_>zeal: it seems that your shift-key is hanging
12:23<sooperkuh>zeal: if that is a config file intended to be edited by humans, i think i am too stupid for it ;)
12:24<zeal>Shall we say "udev sucks?" NO!!!
12:24<Robinayor_>sooperkuh: you are
12:24<Wangster>yeah that file need some kinda editor :P
12:24<ifvoid>udev is not so hard
12:24<ifvoid>just read the docs
12:24<zeal>sooperkuh: udev is smart, but it takes a smart man to recognize ~~, oh yeah~~~
12:25<sooperkuh>zeal: seems so
12:25<Wangster>I learned to read machine code... I'll learn to read this :P
12:25<zeal>joking :)
12:25<ifvoid>and particularly the persistent net rules are pretty clear imo
12:25<zeal>Robinayor_: my XIM is unstalbe
12:26<sooperkuh>yes, the net rules are ok
12:27<zeal>sooperkuh: if bill invents udev , he may have give you a lot of windows to config it easily LOL
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12:28<sooperkuh>Now the net rules are really ok, but I would not want to do anything in z20_persistent.rules
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12:29<Wangster>god damn it lol keeps swtiching on me...
12:29<Wangster>and I think it is related to the modules loading out of order... Siimage loads first... hda becomes hde .. ICH loads first... hda stays hda :P
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12:32<Wangster>hmm so how does one control that? :P
12:33<zeal>Wangster: well, maybe you need to look into udev......and try more..., I really think it can be fixed by udev instead of order of modules loading....
12:33<trinity_>what....not problem the performace the debian
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12:34<trinity_>oh ready
12:34<zeal>trinity_: hi, sexy name ha
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12:36<zeal>how to rename myself in irc ? which cmd?
12:36<JasonS>zeal: /nick newnick
12:36<zeal>JasonS: thanks :)
12:36|-|zeal changed nick to neo
12:36<neo>trinity_: have we met before ?
12:37<Hideo>now you have the right to bang trinity_
12:37<neo>Hideo: :D
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12:37[~]fxiny spots a lorry down the street ...
12:39<Wangster>can you pass udev persistent names to the kernel for booting?
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12:40<Wangster>not sure how that would work but this is getting annoying :P
12:40<Element14>actually udev is supposed to make the device names persistent.....
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12:41<Wangster>.... alrighty .... then I need to mess with the modules :P
12:41<Element14>so, maybe you somewhere your udev is misconfigured or you encountered some udev bugs?
12:41<sooperkuh>Wangster: You really did put the correct MAC in z25_persistent-net.rules ?
12:42<Wangster>lol first I'm working on the hard drive.... then I'll work on the random ethernet cards :P
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12:43<neo>Wangster: I am going to bed, It's 2:00 in the morning here~~~~~
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12:43<sooperkuh>Wangster: Maybe you can get around persistent device names by e.g. mounting per UUID
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12:44<Wangster>lol night zeal :P
12:44<zeal>Happy new year and good morning/night,everybody, GOD bless you all
12:44<Wangster>what I'm wondering is if I can pass udev persistent device names to the kernel? :P
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12:47<Element14>zeal: gnite (wow you're in the same TZ as me...)
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12:48<zeal>Element14: God, don't tell me you are my next-door pretty girl :P
12:49<Element14>..... i'm a guy =.=
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12:50<zeal>Element14: what a god dammit pity!, I need to find my trinity........ LOL
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12:50<zeal>Element14: 88
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12:54<kira>hey all! where can i find a menue editor for gnome under debian stable?
12:55<fxiny>alacarte ?
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12:58<wusel>happy new year! anybody uses virtualbox ? i installed it and the appropriate kernel module with apt-get but when i try to start a virtual machine it says the vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. and i should sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start -> but it is not present :/
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13:01<Gathond>wusel: just load the module yourself and it should work
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13:02<bjb_>wusel, did you install virtualbox or virtualbox-ose?
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13:03<wusel>bjb_: virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-source and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-686
13:04<bjb_>ok good
13:04<BaD_CrC>is it common for the lenny installer to not detect and use the b44 kernel drier for wired ethernet?
13:04<Wangster>oh for the love of god how do I stop the kernel from loading a module? blacklist doesn't work nor does aliasing lol
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13:05<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
13:07<Wangster>ha :P
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13:08<PetaWindows>Hi ppl... I have a question
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13:09<PetaWindows>I want to download an ubuntu for a friend, who have an amd64
13:09<d00d__>Hi all how can i make so my nameservers dont update auto
13:09<PetaWindows>but he wants a 32bits version because he has programs which are not compatible with 64 bits
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13:09<PetaWindows>which one of these should I download?
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13:11<twb>PetaWindows: this is not a support channel for Ubuntu.
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13:11<twb>d00d__: are you referring to /tec/resolv.conf?
13:11<PetaWindows>twb: I know... I use debian, but a friend asked me for this...
13:12<fxiny>zorg !
13:12<twb>d00d__: as I recall that's a symlink to a file updated by your dhcp client.
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13:13<twb>d00d__: I don't know how to stop it being updated but I'd start by looking at the resolvconf package.
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13:13<twb>Obviously using static networking would be another way to avoid it being auto-managed ;-)
13:13<twb>PetaWindows: Ubuntu has the same sort of biarch support as Debian.
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13:15<d00d__>twb: yeah ill just set it to static and use my dns
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13:15<d00d__>Because It kept adding my Router, and slowed my connection down
13:15[~]twb is not a fan of static networking
13:16<d00d__>It was 192.168.2.* then my DNS IPs
13:16<twb>The *correct* fix would be to reconfigure the DNS settings in the DHCP packets sent by the router.
13:16<d00d__>How do i do this
13:16<twb>Of course if you're not running Free software on the router this may be impossible.
13:16<d00d__>Belkin Router ^^
13:16<d00d__>It works on my old linksys router
13:17<twb>What distribution are you running on the router?
13:17<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
13:17<d00d__>Its a belkin router
13:17<d00d__>lastest firmware
13:17<twb>You mean you are running the default non-Free OS that the hardware vendor ships?
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13:18<twb>I don't understand.
13:18<d00d__>I am
13:18<twb>OK, I can't help you with that.
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13:19<d00d__>But ive already fixed this problem.
13:19<twb>It is merely a fix that works, not a fix that is elegant
13:19<d00d__>I agree its Belkin
13:19<d00d__>they only support win32
13:20<d00d__>anyway im off to update my kernel now.
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13:22<robokop>whenever i run mplayer, vlc or fbxine i get a segmentation fault
13:24<twb>strace it
13:24<bremner>robokop: does mplayer -vo x11 work?
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13:25<robokop>bremner: nope
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13:28<robokop>twb: is the strace output
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13:33<Orditeck>Happy new year :P
13:33<Orditeck>I've a question
13:33<Orditeck>If I have Etch
13:33<Orditeck>And a software needs Sarge
13:33<Orditeck>Will it work anyway ?
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13:33<lupine_>probably not
13:33<odla>Orditeck: you want software from sarge?
13:33<lupine_>depends on what libraries it needs
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13:33<Orditeck>I want to install GPLHost (
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13:34<Orditeck>It needs Sarge
13:34<lupine_>best bet is to try it and see - you might get lucky
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13:34<twb>!enter >Orditeck
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13:34<lupine_>eh, it works on sid so it'll work on etch
13:34<Orditeck>When I choose the OS of my server, I choose " Debian Etch 4 " because SArge was at the version " Debian Sarge 3.1 " ...
13:35<twb>lupine_: cheeky
13:35<Orditeck>SID is the same as Etch ?
13:35<lupine_>back then it was pretty close
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13:36<robokop>Orditeck: no Etch is the current stable release, Sid is unstable
13:36<lupine_>it doesn't look like a binary (ELF) program, so that makes life much easier
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13:36<Orditeck>Weird, GPLHost can run on a unstable version, but not on a stable version.
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13:37<lupine_>it works with apache2, mysql5, php5 - so it'll almost certainly run on etch
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13:37<Orditeck>I hope
13:37<bremner>Orditeck: why don't you ask Thomas Goirand; he looks interested in making it work in debian
13:37<lupine_>Orditeck: at the time the page was written, etch didn't exist
13:37<Orditeck>Else I'll have to get another server... I onno if the support will cange my OS
13:37<Orditeck>bremner> Who is that ?
13:38<lupine_>not as stable, anyway
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13:38<bremner>orditeck: look on page you sent us to. at bottom
13:38<odla>possibly woody was then stable?
13:38<monra>I have a huge printing problem. When trying printing from my Debian etch in a HP deskjet printer i get some prints that look like there is no more toner in the printer but when getting from Windows I prinmt just fine and clear documents. Anyone knows why this happend and maybe some ideas to fix it?
13:38<lupine>etch would have been coalescing in what was then sid
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13:39<Orditeck>Ok, I guess if it was working on Sid, it will work on Etch
13:40<twb>lupine: they say Debian is their "primary development platform", but the page copyrighted in 2007 only mentions woody and sarge. That doesn't fill me with confidence.
13:40<lupine>the whole thing looks a bit crap to me :D
13:40<twb>That it's a web app tied to MySQL and PHP just makes me recoil in horror anyway
13:41<Orditeck>Why ?
13:41<twb>Because they are evil
13:41<Orditeck>I'm looking for a free control panel
13:41<twb>You mean like webmin?
13:41<Orditeck>I've found somes...
13:41<lupine>webmin ftl also
13:41<Orditeck>Hosting control panel
13:41<twb>I agree, webmin is shite
13:42<Orditeck>Why ?
13:42<dpkg>hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
13:42<twb>webmin's debian package is particularly laughably -- it has over 800 lintian warnings abond about a dozen hard errors
13:42<fxiny>zorgs use webmin !
13:43<Orditeck>I can get hack ?
13:43<twb>At work we're told to give webmin to customers because they are too dumb to use command lines :-(
13:43<Orditeck>I've more chance to get hack with Webmin ?
13:43<lupine>you can has security hole
13:44<robokop>im in ur site having a scuritie ass
13:44<Orditeck>Because seriously I know somws command line under Ubuntu, but no more... I had a server under Win2003 server but... that's really suck.
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13:45<Orditeck>What is the best for a server ?
13:45<lupine>an admin who knows what s/he's doing
13:45<Orditeck>I will not buy cPanel when a free one do the same
13:45<robokop>just ssh and comandline and what lupine says
13:45<twb>Does anyone understand Orditeck?
13:46<Orditeck>Yep sorry lol I know I'm poor in english, it's because I'm french
13:46<twb>No I meant you being stupid, not French
13:46<Orditeck>And debian-fr isn't as active as here
13:46<lupine>"Inexperienced server admin looking to make a quick buck off of unsuspecting users"
13:47<twb>The french I can deal with, they're not so different from the swiss
13:48<Orditeck>Yeah yeah I know, but I already run a server under Ubuntu. I had 13 users so it was not difficult, it was just come friends. I bought a Windows server with Plesk : no securities issues and I've over 150 users, but windows is slow, it need a huge amount of ram.
13:48<Orditeck>Now I'm looking for a Linux server, I've choice Debian Etch 4.
13:49<twb>Orditeck: you meanno *known* security issues
13:49<Orditeck>Yes, of course..
13:49<lupine>Plesk runs on linux
13:49<Orditeck>Yes, but I'll not buy Plesk if I can get something free
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13:50<Orditeck>It why I'm looking for a free hosting contral panel
13:50<Orditeck>control* sry
13:50<twb>lupine: what is this so-called "control panel"?
13:51<Orditeck>I've found RavenCore, VHCS(Dead project), ISPCP ( VHCS Fork ), GPLHost.
13:51<fxiny>ravencore ? sounds familiar :P
13:52<robokop> is the strace output of running mplayer. can someone help me with it
13:52<Avalos>talking about that... does any1 knows if there is some kind of "red hat network" for debian ?
13:53<robokop>what is red hat network?
13:53<twb>From wikipedia: "The Plesk software package is a proprietary commercial web hosting automation solution by SWsoft. [...] Plesk provides a graphical web based interface which allows the user to configure the most common server management tasks with only a limited knowledge of the server operating system."
13:53<twb>...that sure sounds like webmin to me
13:53<Avalos>some kind of wsus
13:53<lupine>twb: ZOMG
13:53<lupine>RavenCore sounds lose
13:54<Orditeck>I ask you the question
13:54<twb>All the Free alternatives to webmin I saw sounded pathetically shite, too
13:54<Orditeck>If you've a one hundred users on your server
13:54<Orditeck>Who want it the most simply
13:54<Orditeck>What will you choose ?
13:54<twb>Orditeck: VMS
13:55<twb>Actually, ITS would be better
13:55<twb>It has no networking at all, so your users would never bother you
13:55<Orditeck>cPanel/Plesk = $$$$$$$$. Any free ?
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13:55<lupine>If I had 100 users, I wouldn't be bothered about the money, trust me
13:55<pikapika>hello is there a way to chroot from x86 to powerpc to finish a debootstrap ?
13:56<lupine>and TBH, the Free stuff doesn't look mature enough
13:56<twb>Avalos: what do you mean, `wsus'?
13:56<lupine>pikapika: if you have a ppc virtual machine, sure
13:56<Orditeck>lupine : the hosting is 5$ / year
13:56<lupine>then you need to rework your economics
13:56<twb>pikapika: afaik, no.
13:56<Orditeck>lupine: :P
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13:57<pikapika>lupine: like qemu ?
13:57<twb>pikapika: you can theoretically use qemu's non-system ELF layer, but I've never made it work
13:57<pikapika>twb: i also can't do anything with qemu
13:57<twb>That is, qemu can execute ELF binaries for a different architecture without doing the whole emulation layer for disks and things
13:58<lupine>pikapika: yeah. Of course, you can use debootstrap with the --arch option to pull down a tree of the correct architecture
13:58<Avalos>twb, checkout
13:58<twb>Avalos: no.
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13:58<pikapika>lupine: that's done :)
13:58<pikapika>lupine: but i need to setup yaboot and base-config
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13:59<pikapika>twb: seems a bit complicated for me :)
13:59<twb>pikapika: did you swap the disk out of a ppc box into an i386 box for the install?
13:59<lupine>qemu-ppc <filename> if it works :p
14:00<lupine>it segfalts
14:01<twb>lupine: what version?
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14:02<pikapika>twb: that's what i did
14:02<dragon_cyrix>hi all!!
14:02<pikapika>lupine: does not work with qemu
14:02<twb>pikapika: are you doing this for fun, or because you have to?
14:02<dragon_cyrix>any one here have problem with sata2 installing etch ??
14:02<pikapika>twb: i have to, i have no screen to install the box
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14:03<twb>If that's the only problem, you could set up a preseed to execute sshd
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14:03<twb>dragon_cyrix: there's no such thing as sata2
14:03<pikapika>twb: like booting an install cd ?
14:04<twb>Or from network or hard disk or usb key or whatever
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14:05<pikapika>twb: i have not found a ppc live cd that autoconfigure network and does ssh
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14:05<dragon_cyrix>twb, when i try to install the system doesn't detect my hd and cdrom ... both serial ata 3Gb/s
14:05<pikapika>already tried gentoo and an old ubuntu
14:06<twb>pikapika: I'm not talking about a live cd
14:06<twb>pikapika: I'm talking about the etch install cd
14:07<pikapika>twb: it won't configure network and boot ssh, does it ?
14:07<twb>pikapika: you tell it to
14:07<pikapika>twb: making a custom installer then ?
14:08<pikapika>seems i missed something then :)
14:08<twb>You boot it with something like `install auto=true early-command=anna-install ssh'
14:09<pikapika>ok thanks
14:09<pikapika>i'll try it
14:09<twb>Only it occurs to me you can't seed values with spaces, so you'd need auto=true url=http://otherhost/preseed.cfg" or similar
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14:10<twb>If you're using a USB key or HDD it's easy to add the preseed.cfg file to the medium, then just do file=preseed.cfg or thereabouts
14:13<dragon_cyrix>twb, 1st, sry about the bad english.. i'm brazilian and studing the language yet...
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14:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:15<dragon_cyrix>dpk tnks ...
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14:15<|_James_Bond_|>Hi ppl
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14:16<dragon_cyrix>well.... my drives dont appears to e recognized by etch... cd and hd.. tey are SATA 3Gb/s (in brazil sata2) ....
14:16<|_James_Bond_|>happy new year
14:17<dragon_cyrix>I can't find anything about on google ... only people with the same question
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14:18<|_James_Bond_|>plz help to configure this tv card is avermedia w/ chipset bt878
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14:20<Christmas>try to install tvtime and see if it works
14:20<|_James_Bond_|>tvtime is installed...
14:20<|_James_Bond_|>is a not work...
14:21<dragon_cyrix>|_James_Bond_|, what lspci return about it ?
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14:22<|_James_Bond_|>00:0e.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)
14:22<|_James_Bond_|>00:0e.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)
14:22<dragon_cyrix>|_James_Bond_|, do it -> lsmod | grep bttv
14:22<|_James_Bond_|>root@nuno-desktop:/home/nuno# lsmod | grep bttv
14:22<Christmas>i have the same lspci
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>bttv 177012 0
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>video_buf 26244 1 bttv
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>ir_common 35460 1 bttv
14:23<Christmas>and it works ok, i have a leadtek tv 2000 xp deluxe
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>compat_ioctl32 2304 1 bttv
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>i2c_algo_bit 7428 1 bttv
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14:23<|_James_Bond_|>btcx_risc 5896 1 bttv
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>tveeprom 16784 1 bttv
14:23|-|mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>i2c_core 26112 6 bttv,tuner,tvaudio,i2c_viapro,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>videodev 29312 1 bttv
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>v4l2_common 18432 4 bttv,tuner,tvaudio,videodev
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>v4l1_compat 15364 2 bttv,videodev
14:23<|_James_Bond_|>this card is avermedia...
14:23<jello>|_James_Bond_|: don't do that, just use pastebin or #flood
14:23<dragon_cyrix>|_James_Bond_|, what's the model of your card ?? avermedi xxx ???
14:23<@weasel>|_James_Bond_|: I hope this was the last time ever.
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14:24<@weasel>(and if this wasn't a new keyboard that I'm not yet used to you'd be long gone)
14:24<|_James_Bond_|>this my tv card is bttv IR (card=13)
14:24<|_James_Bond_|>bttv IR (card=13)
14:25<dragon_cyrix>|_James_Bond_|, did you try to load the moddule bttv with some options yet ?
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14:25<|_James_Bond_|>is a not error...
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14:26<|_James_Bond_|>this a testing... connected this cable...
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14:26<|_James_Bond_|>is a not search....
14:26<dragon_cyrix>maybe the hotplug doesn't load the module correctly (with card=13 or something) ..
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14:26<|_James_Bond_|>root@nuno-desktop:/home/nuno# modprobe bttv
14:27<simonrvn>ffs STOP PASTING ALREADY
14:27<dragon_cyrix>|_James_Bond_|, modprobe bttv card=13 tuner=?? radio=? ...
14:27<|_James_Bond_|>this a my tv card is a not radio...
14:28<dragon_cyrix>well... don't use the radio option ...
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14:36<mike_>Hi! Please, say to me how to compile fglrx driver?
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14:37<KaiSVK>mike_, search for some nice howto
14:37<KaiSVK>mike_, are you using etch?
14:37<mike_>no, I'm using lenny/sid
14:37<mike_>testing brunch
14:37<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
14:37<Hideo>!fglrx one-liner
14:37<dpkg>fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
14:38<mike_>Thank you!
14:38<Hideo>thank you dpkg
14:38<dpkg>de nada, Hideo
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14:39<jello>dpkg: fglrx one-liner =~ s/m-a prepare &&//
14:39<dpkg>jello: OK
14:39<francois>hi people
14:39<francois>what's up
14:39<KaiSVK>Hideo, :) god thanx I have nvidia ;)
14:39<francois>kaisvk nvidia? which server?
14:39<KaiSVK>francois, actually I dont know at the moment wait a second ...
14:40<francois>there is this strange thing
14:40<francois>I have a t61p lenovo with a nvidia quadro 570M something
14:40<francois>and the vesa driver is four times faster on it than the nv ...
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14:40<jello>francois: you should've gotten the intel version like me :)
14:41<KaiSVK>7.2-5 xserver-xorg :)
14:41<francois>please don't make me cry jello
14:41<KaiSVK>and I think actual driver downloadable from
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14:42<francois>jello note that despite the nv driver being pretty loosy, it works wonderfully with xrandr ...
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14:42<KaiSVK>francois, what's your prob'?
14:42<francois>hence I have a very slow, 2d-only, crashing when suspdending x-server that handles perfectly and dynamically my external output
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14:42<francois>kaisv I want to use only open-source driver, hence either vesa or nv, and I want to have multi-head working
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14:43<francois>jello if you have never played with xrandr, give it a try, it's just amazing
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14:43<jello>francois: it's on my list of things...
14:43<jello>s/on/already on/
14:43<wusel>can i use firefox2 and thunderbird2 the apt way? (using testing)
14:44<KaiSVK>francois, what about those novuo or whatever its name is ? ;)
14:44<francois>nouveau ?
14:44<jello>wusel: apt-get install iceweasel
14:44<francois>in French we have this expression ... "Essuyer les platres"
14:44<francois>which describes all the mess that happens when you are among the ones using very new fresh things
14:44<KaiSVK>francois, what does it mean at least in English ? :)
14:44<francois>and nouveau seems to qualify for that :)
14:44<jello>wusel: and use icedove for thunderbird
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14:45<francois>is it packaged in debian ? the nouveau driver ?
14:45<KaiSVK>jello, this iceweasel thingy started me to using Epiphany browser :)
14:45<jello>well, iceweasel == firefox without the branding...
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14:46<francois>never understood why people were upset by this re-naming
14:46<KaiSVK>jello, the branding than, made me to start using epiphany :)
14:46<francois>it makes a lot of sens to me
14:46<francois>kais just because of the _name_ ?!
14:46<KaiSVK>francois, yeah just because of the name :)
14:46<wusel>jello: but i mean firefox2 and thunderbird2 - the 2! :)
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14:48<jello>wusel: yes, iceweasel is v
14:48<jello>wusel: oh, are you running lenny or sid?
14:49<KaiSVK>francois, but I am quite happy now with Epiphany :) nice minimalistic browser
14:49<francois>let me try
14:49<jello>wusel: even etch has ...
14:49<wusel>jello: testing
14:49<francois>if my web page looks good, we may have a deal ;)
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14:49<francois>good, does not need 23847 gazillions gnome package
14:50<jello>wusel: testing has
14:50<robokop>KaiSVK: try elinks for a minimalistic browser
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14:50<francois>jello what package is epiphany ?
14:50<francois>I just installed epiphany but that does not look like a web browser to me
14:50<jello>francois: dunno, apt-cache search ?
14:50<Hideo>robokop: I prefer netcat for a minimalistic browser :P
14:51<francois>sorry I meant kais
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14:51<wusel>jello: you were right - firefox/iceweasle is up to date but my thunderbird remains 1.5.*
14:51<KaiSVK>ok ... for robokop ;) I meant nice minimalistic GRAPHIC web browser :)
14:51<francois>epiphany-browser does come with the full gnome experience
14:51<francois>that will not be tolerated on my PC
14:51<wusel>or "icedove"
14:52<KaiSVK>francois, what is the problem ?
14:52<robokop>Hideo: yes i try to work with that to
14:52<jello>wusel: yes, hasn't made it to testing yet from unstable
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14:52<robokop>Hideo: but i'm not good at it
14:52<francois>you should see a screen shot of my work space
14:52<kira>hi somebody knows deb packages or a apt source for new GIMP 2.4 ? for debian etch
14:52<jello>wusel: it should get there in a few days
14:52<Hideo>robokop: neither am I :P
14:52<francois>you'd see the problem with the full gnome thing
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14:53<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
14:53<wusel>jello: kewl fine
14:53<jello>kira: it's already in lenny; if you're running etch/stable check
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14:54<jello>KaiSVK: no need to spam the channel, just tell dpkg to msg the user
14:54<KaiSVK>jello, I apologize :-*
14:54<KaiSVK>jello, as I say we are all learning every day ;)
14:54<wiehan>how do I log in again?
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14:54<wiehan>hehe, with IRC
14:54<jello>wiehan: log in again??
14:54<jello>what do you mean?
14:55<wiehan>sumthin like msg nickserv [nick] [password]
14:55<jello>wiehan: /msg nickserv identify password
14:55<jello>or just /msg nickserv help
14:56<KaiSVK>jello, I think he didn't /leave and started again his irc client
14:56<jello>KaiSVK: yeah, nickserv should straighten it out for him/her
14:57<francois>the other problem is why on earth osd_cat can't find the font
14:58<wiehan>ok, I have a Question concerning Ubuntu
14:58<KaiSVK>!ubuntu @ wiehan
14:58<wiehan>what does that mean>
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14:59<KaiSVK>wiehan, watch out for topic !
14:59<KaiSVK>wiehan, this is debian channel
14:59<wiehan>I'm a n00b, how do I get to an Ubunut channel then?
14:59<@weasel>wiehan: connect to and join #ubuntu
15:00<jello>wiehan: /j #ubuntu
15:00<francois>and I am slightly shocked to see the emacs channel empty on that server
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15:02<wiehan>Debian Question: Why can't I change my Hard disk Label?
15:02<francois>what do you call the hd label ?
15:03<jello>wiehan: if you mean the fs label, use e2label
15:03<wiehan>If I right-click on the HD and click Properties and then try to change it it gives an error...
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15:04<Hideo>... that's a gui specific question
15:04<Hideo>you may have to be root too
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15:04<wiehan>ok, how do I simply change it say in terminal
15:05<razorboy>with e2label for ext fs... simply "e2label /dev/$yourdevicname label"
15:07<wiehan>well that is greek to me
15:07<razorboy>where is the problem ?
15:07<wiehan>when you say "$yourdevicename" can I say "c"
15:07<razorboy>no that's something like /dev/sda1
15:07<razorboy>for example
15:08<razorboy>use gparted or qtparted to look up which name your partition has
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15:08<Hideo>fdisk -l
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15:08<Hideo>nvm, i thought it does that
15:09<lupine>hmm. whoops
15:09<lupine>can someone tell me how to repopulate /dev ?
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15:11<lupine>LOLfail in my case
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15:11<francois>google does not help?
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15:11<lupine>ah, MAKEDEV
15:12<francois>well, aint you supposed to provide it with the "adequate parameters" ?
15:12<jello>lupine: /dev/MAKEDEV
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15:12<francois>nice one
15:12<francois>what's that ?
15:12<lupine>lucky it's in /sbin too
15:13<jello> /dev/MAKEDEV is a symlink to /sbin/MAKEDEV
15:16[~]lupine slaps cp
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15:17<lupine>*phew*. There's mouse back anyway
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15:19<francois>lupine the happiness of recovering :)
15:19<lupine>whoops, broken permissions
15:19<lupine>that was stupid of me
15:19<francois>nothing better than messing up one's computer big time to be happy to get back where we were originally :)
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15:20<Hideo>try erasing your /etc/
15:20<Hideo>hours of fun
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15:20<lupine>of /dev ?
15:21<Hideo>jello: I know
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15:21<francois> /etc is an expensive one
15:21<Hideo>this was before I learned the lesson
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15:33<KaiSVK>I was just wondering if anybody cares about debian wiki ?
15:33<francois>I don't
15:33<KaiSVK>francois, why not ?
15:33<francois>should I ?
15:33<KaiSVK>francois, I mean ...
15:34<francois>I did not intend to be rude, just meant I don't care
15:34<KaiSVK>francois, now I start to see why is Ubuntu so popular
15:34<francois>the question is should Debian be more popular
15:34<KaiSVK>francois, I don't think that its just because it is for dummies ;)
15:34<francois>I am fine with Debian as it is
15:34<KaiSVK>francois, sholdn't it be ?
15:34<francois>I am not sure
15:34<francois>all depends with who you are targetting
15:34<KaiSVK>francois, I respect that and I see your point
15:35<KaiSVK>francois, but all the debian must be like a dead thingy for newcomers
15:35<francois>note that I don't try to play the card of elits against end user
15:35<francois>it's just that I always thought it was a mistake to want all distribution to target the same people
15:35<KaiSVK>francois, look at the main page, the wiki, this channel is also ... with maybe up to 20 active users from morning till now ... :(
15:35<francois>it's nice to have a distribution that does not try to be "very up to date"
15:36<francois>and not "full of glitz"
15:36<francois>now, maybe it won't last like this
15:36<KaiSVK>francois, understood that ... and agree too :)
15:36<KaiSVK>francois, as I use testing and I have actual software I think :)
15:36<francois>but the idea of Debian being a sort of backbone from which more friendly distribution spreads seems pretty efficient on the long term
15:36<francois>my two cents
15:37<francois>my main concern with debian
15:37<lupine>debian rocks for the end user
15:37<francois>is that the donation page sucks moose balls
15:37<KaiSVK>lupine, it does
15:37<lupine>but seriously. wiki? You'd think this is web 2.0 or something
15:37<francois>lupine it seems that ubuntu is fancier, no ?
15:37<lupine>do you want fancy or working?
15:37<francois>shiny :)
15:37<francois>with you know
15:37<lupine>off you trot then
15:38<francois>these things kids love these days
15:38<lupine>SuSE will take you, I'm sure
15:38<KaiSVK>francois, you don't see my point, for example I am correcting the debian wiki all day long ... I mean ... somebody started the wiki, make some articles and now it is just left on its own destiny nobody cares if it lives, if it is actuall ...
15:38<francois>I see
15:38<francois>lupine hm, I don't like fancy dude
15:39<lupine>make your mind up :
15:39<francois>as long as emacs, fvwm2 and xterm work I am happy
15:39<francois>lupine where did you read that I like "fancy" ? :)
15:39<KaiSVK>francois, and on the debian forum I posted that it would be nice idea to modernize the debian main page, the poll was about 50 to 50, and some people posted very nice looking, still viewable in text browser pages
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15:39<francois>in fact
15:39<lupine>[20:38] <lupine> do you want fancy or working? [20:38] <francois> fancy
15:39<francois>for talks I'd love to have one of these opengl based fancy pdf readers
15:40<francois>I meant that I meant fancy
15:40<francois>not that _I_ wanted fancy
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15:40<francois>I use emacs for 95% of my work, xterm for 4% and xpdf for 1%
15:40<francois>I don't really care about icones and stuff
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15:40<francois>I starts my applications with emap and a huge bash scripts
15:40<KaiSVK>stick to the points boys :)
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15:41<francois>kai but I see your point, you just talk about "spreading information"
15:41<KaiSVK>I mean ... the new head of Debian ... he told everybody he wants to make Debian SEXY AGAIN
15:41<francois>sexy for me means fvwm2 working
15:41<lupine>Bruno already brought sexy back
15:41<francois>so it has been sexy for 15 years
15:41<KaiSVK>francois, what I whole mean ... debian is "looking" dead from the outside
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15:42<francois>kais is it so problematic ? :)
15:42<lupine>I wouldn't say so
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15:42<lupine>just because there isn't a new release every 6 months :p
15:43<francois>let's talk a bit about that nv driver
15:43<francois>btw is nouveau packaged ?
15:43<lupine>last I checked, nouveau wasn't fit to be packaged
15:44<KaiSVK>francois, it is NOT problematic ... if it was problematic I dont use debian on our servers, on my desktop, on my laptop etc.
15:45<KaiSVK>francois, lets take it by some "economy", more users => more developers :)
15:45<KaiSVK>= better debian ?
15:45<francois>kai my own way of functionning, that I'd love to see other people doing is to put on my web page a summary of what I did to solve something eveytime it took some time
15:46<francois>hence googling is enough
15:46<KaiSVK>francois, I am sorry, I didn't understand that :/
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15:46<francois>everytime I solve a problem
15:46<francois>like "how to have 256 colors in emacs in an Xterm"
15:46<francois>I write a summary and put it on my web page
15:46<francois>so that if someone has the same problem, google will very likely bring him/her on my web page
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15:47<DaCapn>it's almost too reasonable to work
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15:47<francois>that seems reasonnable though :/
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15:47<KaiSVK>francois, that's superb.... I understand now ... but ... you changed topic
15:47<francois>kais I don't know for the wiki
15:47<KaiSVK>I say ... debian must look as dead or dying project to outsiders :/
15:48<francois>it seems that if it does not "naturally flows" it won't happen, period
15:48<marco_>KaiSVK... I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I think you are missing the point of view of Debian and the philosophy of Open Source which is why I choose Debian in the first place and I find is the most important part of this distro. Although Debian has different repos (free and non-free), it is meant to cater more for Open Source. How the end-user experiences Debian, like the packet manager (dpkg), and you want to facilitate things, then Ubuntu
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15:48<DaCapn>more specifically GPL, not just open source
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15:49<KaiSVK>marco_, I think you are completely out :/ sorry
15:49<francois>the thing is that "256 colors emacs" does not bring to my page at all :)
15:49<francois>my theory is collapsing
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15:49<KaiSVK>francois, you see ... you should have writen about it on debian WiKi ;)
15:50<francois>would it be findable there? :P
15:50<KaiSVK>francois, I think so
15:50<francois>note also that this is not debian specific
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15:50<francois>in fact there are very few debian specific problems
15:50<francois>while it's easier in general to give a solution on debian in term of what packages to install for instance
15:51<KaiSVK>francois, what are debian specific problems then ?
15:52<francois>now that I think about it ...
15:52<jello>KaiSVK: where to set up certain things
15:52<jello>like update-alternatives
15:52<jello>or other debian-isms
15:52<jello>using apt-pinning
15:52<jello>many other examples available...
15:53<KaiSVK>jello, I don't know if you looked at our discusion with francois and lupine ? ;)
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15:58<chump_>hey guys whats up?
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16:06<jw>In final step of building kernel , 'yaird.mkinitrd -o /boot/init.img-' produces error 'yaird error meaning cannot get 'show depends' on module dm-mod. I see there are bug reports out that libdevmapper does not load dm-mod. Haven't been able to get any of the 'fixes' to work. Plz advise how to recover ...
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16:23<bremner>jw: could a different initrd maker help? e.g. initramfs-tools
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16:31<jw>OK. What is the command line to use it in lieu of 'yaird.mkinitrd -o /boot/init.img-'?
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16:37<lupine>update-initramfs -k <version>
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16:44<bremner>or update-initramfs -c -k <version>
16:44<bremner>(I only looked at the man page)
16:45<bremner>I always use make-kpkg --initrd
16:45<bremner>which calls mkinitramfs-kpkg
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16:46<stan-k>hi guys
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16:47<stan-k>i've been recently using ubuntu and since it is based on debian I would like to know the essential differences
16:47<stan-k>can someone say seomthing on this?
16:47<lupine>ubuntu has a different release cycle
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16:47<lupine>and different goals
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16:48<debianuser>stan-k, they take a lot of packages from debian
16:48<blarson>and different policies
16:48<debianuser>but they do their own things a bit too
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16:48<Blu3pr1nt>hey guys...Ive got a big Problem with my Intel Wifi-Card 4965 under Ubuntu 7.10...may anybody can help?
16:48<arve>7.10, I screwed up a bit
16:48<razorboy>does anybody know how to repartition inside an encrypted lv?
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16:48<debianuser>i actually came here cos i have a problem, with debian/unstable. is that okay here?
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16:49<arve>I accidentaly deleted a launcher on the panel, showing signalstrengt on wireless network and bluetooth icon
16:49<arve>now it's gone and I don't know how to get it back
16:49<stan-k>ok, and in terms of using it?
16:49<debianuser>blue, no :)
16:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
16:49<noflash>@tell stan-k -about why debian
16:49<stan-k>i find it very convenient in ubuntu with all the packages available and all that
16:49<stan-k>cheers :)
16:49<noflash>!tell stan-k -about why debian
16:50<debianuser>i think stan-k is okay :)
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16:50<lupine>razorboy: you need to reduce/increase the filesystem size, then just lvresize
16:50<debianuser>lupine, how safe is increasing/decreasing file systems ?
16:50<lupine>very safe, as long as you get it right
16:51<debianuser>anyway, dose anyone know why upgrading from libc6 2.6 to libc 2.7 on debian/unstable may be segmentation violating..
16:52<debianuser>i'm sure i've done it on other computers without issues
16:54<df1amb>debianuser: I'm actually using testing and my libc6 is allready 2.7
16:55<razorboy>in which package can i find lvresize ??
16:55<debianuser>df1amb, this copmuter hadn't been upgraded in a while
16:56<debianuser> /bin/sh: line 1: 26000 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt
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16:56<debianuser>i'm getting lines like that
16:56<debianuser>testing is actually probably more sensible in general
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16:57<debianuser>oh, hmm, python is seg faulting at least easily
16:58<df1amb>debianuser: oh try upgrading libc6 with aptitude or dselect this should solve it. When not upgrade all this may take a long time but I think it is the best way
16:58<debianuser>df1amb, rather than apt-get?
16:58<debianuser>well if i downgrade to 2.6 it's fine .. it should still be fixable somehow i imagine
16:58<debianuser>looking at what libraries python uses
16:59<seeker56>i have written a very simple php file how do i get my browser to view it. i am using debian with epiphany browser
16:59<debianuser>oh wtf
16:59<debianuser>okay i think i've found the problem
16:59<df1amb>upgrade python
16:59<debianuser>some 32 bit libraries from /emul/ia32-linux are being used
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17:01<stroyan>arve: Try right click on the panel, "add to panel", and see if you can find your missing item.
17:01<arve>done it, can't find it!
17:01<arve>it's not on the add to list
17:01<debianuser>adding /lib to seems to have fixed things
17:01<arve>it included bluetooth, wireless, battery monitor items
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17:01<arve>very very very handy stuff
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17:02<debianuser>df1amb python was the most recent version
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17:02<debianuser>it was just that libc6 2.6 to 2.7 had seemingly prioritised 32 bit binaries over 64 bit ones
17:02<debianuser>and putting /lib in seemed ot fix it
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17:03<leonidas>hi giuys, I am trying to install swifmill but I am blocked by dependancies
17:04<leonidas>anyone could give me a hand??
17:04<leonidas>dependancies which are installed but not wiht recent versions
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17:05<df1amb>debianuser: good to know
17:05<seeker56>trying to find an answer to php being seen by debian epiphany
17:06<debianuser>seeker, you have to run your own web server
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17:07<seeker56>so the apache server has to be configed and set up
17:08<debianuser>yeh - or another one like lighttpd
17:08<debianuser>but you need some kind of web server, yes.
17:08<debianuser>or to stick your files on someone elses web server
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17:09<debianuser>it's not really that hard to setup your own web server though.
17:09<seeker56>ok thanks i will check my text books to see how that is done unless you ant to quickly walk me through now
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17:13<seeker56>ok thanks better than football games have a great 08
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17:15<Tuplad>could anyone help me out ? I can play mp4 movies in my totem player, but there is no sound and I can not find the appropriate driver either (tried google and aptitude), what to do ?
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17:16<Tuplad>oh, and realplayer won't work either, there is sound but no movie
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17:17<razorboy>the thing is mp4 is just a container
17:17<razorboy>there could be any video codec inside
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17:18<Tuplad>and can I find out which one ?
17:18<razorboy>yeah you should
17:19<Tuplad>any idea how ? :}
17:19<razorboy>im thinking ^^
17:19<razorboy>it should work with totem
17:20<razorboy>open the mp4 file and then
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17:20<razorboy>in the side pane there should be something to choose from playlist to properties
17:21<Tuplad>codec: H.264 / AVC
17:21<razorboy>and audio ?
17:21<Tuplad>audio codec?
17:21<razorboy>hmmm interesting ^^
17:21<Tuplad>all grey
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17:22<joel_>hi all....what'a another utility to read pdf? I know evince from gnome....what's for kde?
17:22<razorboy>maybe corrupt file...
17:23<razorboy>but audio works in general ?
17:23<Tuplad>razorboy: :O
17:23<Tuplad>razorboy: yes, everywhere
17:23<Tuplad>razorboy: it works with realplayer, but then I get no video
17:23<Tuplad>razorboy: with totem, I get video, but no audio
17:23<razorboy>try with mplayer
17:23<Alam_Debian>mplayer? shot, too late
17:24<Tuplad>mplayer won't work for me for an unknown reason
17:24<razorboy>that's not good
17:24<Tuplad>wait, I'll tell you why
17:25<Tuplad>it's getting installed
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17:25<Tuplad>error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device
17:26<Alam_Debian>-vo xv
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17:27<francois>-vo x11 always works for me
17:27<razorboy>ok don't know about that... but have you installed gstreamer faad plugin... may help if you use totem-gstreamer
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17:27<Tuplad>it works now, but where's the control panel and stuff ? :o
17:27<Alam_Debian>man mplayer
17:27<Alam_Debian>or try gmplayer
17:27<Tuplad>oh yeah, excuses
17:28<Alam_Debian>you can modify /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and/or ~/.mplayer/config
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17:30<Tuplad>thanks, I'm on it
17:30<Tuplad>thanks very much!
17:31<Tuplad>Alam_Debian: everything is with # in front, so everything is commented out ?
17:31<Tuplad>thanks, was just making sure
17:31[~]Alam_Debian tries mplayer -vo aa:dim:bold::reverse:normal:boldfont:extended::eight:floyd_steinberg foobar
17:32<Tuplad>Alam_Debian: do I have to do anything fancy after the config file has been edited ?
17:32<Alam_Debian>no, why?
17:33<Tuplad>Alam_Debian: vo=xv in config file, but it still won't play unless I do it with commandline
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17:34<Alam_Debian>not even in ~/.mplayer/config?
17:34<Tuplad>Alam_Debian: I put it in both
17:34<Tuplad>/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and in ~/.mplayer/config
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17:35<Alam_Debian>with mplayer, not gmplayer, correct?
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17:37<Tuplad>ah, nevermind :) I'll just use the commandline
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17:42<razorboy>does the mp4 now work with mplayer?
17:44<zeon>debian:/home/realone/Desktop# xwine
17:44<zeon>erreur: wine ne fonctionne pas correctement, ils est peut etre mal install�...
17:44<francois>en francais?
17:45<azeem>zeon: did you change nicks from real0ne?
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17:50<zeon>u don't help
17:50<zeon>just speack blablabla
17:50<azeem>zeon: I'm just keeping an eye on you
17:50<azeem>remember, you got klined before
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17:51<jw>bremner: or update-initramfs -c -k <version>
17:51<jw>bremner: :-)update-initramfs -c -k <version> did work. :-(Boot error resulting is: '/proc/misc: No entry for device mapper found. Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.08 (2006-07-17) and kernel driver.' All this seems to be centered around libdevmapper. More suggestions?
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18:04[~]francois is away - sleeping - msgs are logged
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18:05<lupine>jw: the dm-mod module needs to be loaded, and /proc needs to be mounted
18:05<lupine>wait, I'm not reading properly
18:06<lupine>is this a custom kernel?
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18:10<tuxxxinator>this isnt #ubuntu? darn!
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18:10<gary>hey can anyone help me with xrandr and setting up my monitor
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18:16<ranix_>hey guys, I have a fried computer with a default Etch install, and I want to salvage a mysql database from it
18:17<ranix_>the ide controller on the motherboard or the hard drive itself is mostly toast
18:17<ranix_>can I just salvage some files from it and add them to another mysql install, somehow?
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18:19<koollman>ranix_: if it's the same architecture (like x86) and a close enough version of mysql, you can copy the /var/lib/mysql directory
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18:20<mikes1>I cannot find a working lenny iso ;(
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18:27<ranix_>thanks koollman
18:27<ranix_>I'll give that a shot tomorrow morning and see how it works out
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18:38<joel_>Seems that debian repos have filezilla 3.0.0-beta
18:38<joel_>How can I updated to the current 3.0.4?
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18:41<DaCapn>download the source and compile it
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18:43<joel_>DaCapn: oki
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18:43<joel_>thanks, laters.
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18:54<hate29>Hi, I installed etch and can't get alt gr to work. Anything that needs alt gr don't work. Email address is quite hard to write because of that etc.. is there anything that can fix this?
18:55<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once)
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19:25<Knoppix_sec>hi everyone
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19:32<istoc>What's the term for a computer that acts invisibly and allows computers behind it to get an ip from the ISP rather than from the computer connected to the ISP?
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19:33<istoc>It's gateway vs. router right?
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19:35<tifine>does anybody know any usenet grabber which have supersearch ?
19:35<lupine_85>define invisible. does it show up on traceroute or not?
19:36<istoc>Umm Im not sure. I just want each computer to have it's own ip and not a local ip.
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19:38<lupine_85>so you need an IP block from your upstream provider (ISP)
19:38<lupine_85>and a router which will route those IPs to your local computers
19:38<lupine_85>you might also want to assign them using DHCP; the router can do that too
19:39<istoc>wouldn't those be local ips only? (unreachable externally)
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19:39<lupine_85>well, nop
19:39<lupine_85>erm, no
19:39<lupine_85>for instance, I had until recently
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19:40<lupine_85>My router had an external IP in the 217.169.x.x range, and on the LAN side it was 81.187
19:40<lupine_85>it passed out to other computers attached to it on the LAN, using DHCP
19:40<istoc>How does it know what ips are availible from the ISP?
19:40<lupine_85>You tell it
19:41<lupine_85>What has your ISP given you
19:41<istoc>I think the router gets an ip automatically from the isp
19:41<lupine_85>Your ISP will give you /1/ IP by defaulty
19:41<lupine_85>if you want more than 1, you'll have to ask them
19:42<istoc>Is that an email kind of request or is it done by computer
19:42<lupine_85>depends on your ISP
19:42<lupine_85>they might refuse to give you any, or they might charge you for them
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19:44<istoc>If it had a computer between the modem and the rest of the lan, could I at least access the computer without having nay problems?
19:44<lupine_85>If it's actually a modem (so it passes the IP to the computer, rather than keeping it to itself) then yes
19:47<istoc>How would I be able to differentiate between the gateway computer and the rest of the network behind it?
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19:51<leonidas>hi guys, I have installed Gnash on my pc amd64. How can I install the plugin Gnash now in my browser ??
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20:31<ximobile> anyone heard of debian repos having issues this evening??
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20:38<dondelelcaro>ximobile: which ones?
20:38<dondelelcaro>ximobile: we have more than 100 major mirrors, so...
20:39<dpkg>somebody said debian mirrors was or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
20:39<ximobile>currently I am having trouble with unstabl
20:40<ximobile>thanks dondelelcaro
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20:43<dondelelcaro>ximobile: you should probably use a different mirror, ideally one that is close to you network wise.
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20:46<ximobile>OKthanks dondelelcaro
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22:18<emperador> bnggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggbbgfgrfdgbbbbb
22:19<jagerman>Sounds like an Ubuntu user.
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23:39<kop>An odd thing happened. I put a fat16 fs on a usb stick and wrote a /boot/grub/menu.lst to it. It was there, I unmounted and mounted, it was still there. I tried booting in another box, no boot menu. I mounted again and menu.lst was gone. I explicitly set the "disk geometry" when partitioning the usb stick. Is there somewhere in hardware where usb "geometry" is set? Where do I see this?
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