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---Logopened Wed Jan 02 00:00:47 2008
00:00<Supaplex>kop: in autocad? ;)
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00:02<kop>Supaplex : There's the awful possiblity that, at boot anyway, it's somehow determined by the bios.
00:02<Supaplex>afaik grub is suppose to account for that
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00:04<kop>Supaplex : I'm doing all this to boot freedos off a usb stick, installed via debian. So, I gotta know the geometry to create the dos boot sector. Anyhow, something's wack because files should not just disappear.
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00:04<niru>Supaplex, hi
00:05<niru>Supaplex, while i build debian-insatller from source
00:05<niru>Supaplex, I am not getting the gtk-miniiso folder
00:05<niru>any more
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00:05<niru>which i used to get for earlier d-i source
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00:06<kop>Supaplex : I even did a sync before unmounting just to be sure.
00:07<Supaplex>kop: what capacity is the usb stick?
00:07<kop>Supaplex : It's a 1G stick, but I only made a 20MB partition.
00:08<Supaplex>niru: try asking in #debian-boot - I may know a few things about it, but I'm not that familar with it c/o this question.
00:08<kop>Supaplex : I deliberately set the CHS geometry to x*255*63 so as to allow for the largest possible disk size.
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00:08<kop>Supaplex : (Should I want a large partition.)
00:09<Supaplex>20mb should be easy to zero in on. Are you familar with dd, hd, and diff?
00:09<kop>Supaplex : I also used fdisk -b to set the sector (aka block) size to 512.
00:09<kop>Supaplex : Yup.
00:10<kop>Supaplex : But then I got to wondering if any of that is hiding somewhere in the usb hardware. (IIRC at one point _something_ reported a 1024 block size.)
00:10<kop>Supaplex : I've been using a lot of those tools.
00:10<Supaplex>prepare it the way you think it should be working, grab a backup via dd of the first 21mb, test it, if it fails grab a second copy, use hd on both copies, and diff to compare
00:11<hachi>I'm having a problem where my mouse is no longer attached to Xorg for input
00:11<hachi>I can move the pointer, but clicking doesn't do squat
00:11<hachi>this happens while Xorg is running, and always about 20-30 seconds after I finish resuming my machine
00:12<hachi>bloody annoying, anyone have any hints?
00:12<kop>Supaplex : So far, it _always_ fails. :-) Thanks. That'll give me something to try. But not now. Maybe tomorrow.
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00:24<bjb_>I had to make a custom change to a package - I rebuilt and installed it - but now I want to make sure it won't get upgraded. I'm going to have to rebuild with a different version number and pin it - I need advice on that. It's a library package that comes from a source package with several binary packages (source package: pilot-link - lib I'm changing: libpisock9)
00:25<bjb_>where in the pilot-link-0.12.2/debian directory do I change the version number?
00:26<bjb_>which part of the version number do I change?
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00:28<Supaplex>bjb_: uupdate can take care of that. I think it's the control file, but might be populated by some other means with a macro, or variable expansion
00:28<bjb_>thanks Supaplex
00:28[~]bjb_ reads about uupdate
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00:33<crazee_canuck>bjb_, the version number would be changed in debian/changelog, dch or debchange would be the tool you want
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00:33<bjb_>thanks crazee_canuck, I'll have a look at that too (learning debian packaging was on my list of stuff to learn)
00:34<crazee_canuck>it's actually not all that difficult
00:35<bjb_>so they say - but with 5 bazillion different undocumented tools to do the packaging, I always find it difficult when I have to go in that area
00:35<bjb_>apt-file, apt-search, apt-cache, apt-get, apt-this, apt-that ....
00:35<bjb_>dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure ....
00:36<bjb_>and this page: says that maybe one day there will be a packaging manual, the old one is "withdrawn"
00:36<bjb_>but as long as there is irc, there is hope :-)
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00:41<lam64>hi all
00:44<DaCapn>bjb_ are you saying that there's insufficient documentation for apt?
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00:45<bjb_>DaCapn - well, that's a loaded question, isn't it? There's tons and tons of documentation for apt and related tools. Most of it conflicting.
00:45<bjb_>I keep forgetting the smiley
00:45<DaCapn>I don't know, I just use this:
00:48<bjb_>DaCapn - ok - well in section 3.10 it says if you want apt to keep your package and never change it then you should pin it at priority 1001
00:49<bjb_>So I did that, and just for kicks I did an apt-cache policy, and it gave a couple of sources for my package: one at priority 100 in /var/lib, and one at priority 500 on the net.
00:49<bjb_>Curious - so I did an apt-get -n upgrade - and it wanted to upgrade that package (libpisock9) to the one on the net.
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00:50<htraki>hi guys
00:50<bjb_>It is a bit annoying that I can't tell it "just leave that package alone", although I understand I'm doing bad things by changing the package without changing the version number
00:51<zeal>bjb_: dpkg --set-selections
00:52<zeal>your_package hold
00:52<DaCapn>hm, I'm not familiar with the use of apt in that context
00:52<bjb_>zeal, are you saying "hold" is different from "pin"?
00:52<bjb_>or, is "hold" a dpkg -only concept?
00:52<bjb_>(ie, dpkg would respect holds, but other apt tools wouldn't?)
00:53<zeal>bjb_: if sth is hold ,you will not get it upgraded when doing dist-upgrade
00:53<zeal>bjb_: other tools ...?
00:53<bjb_>zeal, if the mechanism it uses is pinning - I'm saying (because of the illegal thing I did) it does want upgrade my package
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00:53<bjb_>apt, aptitude, synaptic, kpackage ...
00:54<bjb_>I know that dpkg looks in /var/lib/dpkg and apt looks in /var/lib/apt (and maybe also in /var/lib/dpkg), not really sure of the division of labour there
00:54<zeal>bjb_: apt can recognize "hold" and when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, my hold packages remain intact
00:55<zeal>and I think aptitude and synaptic, kpackage should be the same, because they are just only frontends for apt
00:56<chealer>but in reality, synaptic doesn't respect holds
00:56<bjb_>I've changed the sources, rebuilt while neglecting to change the version number (that's the "illegal thing" I did) and pinning is not behaving like I expect
00:56<bjb_>hence my question to you of "is 'hold' implemented by 'pin' mechanism"
00:57<bjb_>I think it's better for me just to use dch, change the version number, and rebuild and reinstall
00:57<bjb_>then pinning will work and everything will be hunky dory
00:57<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
00:58<dpkg>i guess pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning
00:58<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
00:59<zeal>bjb_: how to pin a package? I never use pin
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00:59<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
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00:59<crazee_canuck>yeah, i think rebuilding would be best, change the version to something like 0.12.1-5bjb1 and it won't be upgraded unless there is a newer version available
00:59<bjb_>zeal, put an entry in /etc/apt/preferences. If you don't have one, create one. man preferences(5)
01:00<zeal>bjb_: i see :)
01:00<bjb_>oops, I don't have a man page for preferences
01:00<crazee_canuck>*man apt_preferences
01:00<bjb_>man apt_preferences(5)
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01:00<zeal>don't either :)
01:01<htraki>where can find backports for stable?
01:01<bjb_>Well, I guess I'd better look at this tomorrow ... it's after 1 am. So much for the New Year's Resolution
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01:02<bjb_>Thanks for your help zeal, crazee_canuck DaCapn
01:02<bjb_>and you too chealer (useful info re synaptic and holds)
01:02<chealer>!tell htraki about backports
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01:03<bjb_>it's those niggly little details that bug me about apt and dpkg and related apps
01:03[~]crazee_canuck didn't really say all that much but yw if any was helpful ;)
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01:06<htraki>bjb: did you see
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01:23<blarson>!tell htraki about backports
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01:28<htraki>hi guys
01:28<htraki>I've just installed the backports repo in synaptc and dont have the all the packages,and I dont know why?
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01:31<htraki>there is no public key for backports,is that normal?
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01:34<crazee_canuck>htraki, see
01:34<istoc>Can someone "tell me about" pastebins?
01:35<crazee_canuck>!tell istoc about pastebin
01:37<htraki>crazee_canuck: Thank you
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01:49<apeitheo>If you have two interfaces up (let's say eth0 which is hooked up to a cable modem, and ppp0 which is hooked up to a dialup modem), how does linux decide which to use as the gateway to the internet?
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01:51<htraki>good question,I dont know
01:52<niru>from where can i download a complete single cd for debian lenny
01:53<rjn>apeitheo: Run $ /sbin/route -n
01:53<htraki>niru: it is better way to install etch first,then switch to lenny
01:53<apeitheo>rjn, I've been looking at that table for a while and looking through the man pages, etc
01:54<niru>htraki, ok
01:54<apeitheo>rjn, it seems whichever interface I bring up last (say I bring up eth0 last after ppp0) eth0 is used as the gateway to the internet
01:54<rjn>apeitheo: That sounds accurate. You can manipulate the routing table.
01:55<apeitheo>but let's say I swap the interfaces (to use my cable modem instead of my dialup connection), the routing table (according to route -n) stays the same I think
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01:56<rjn>apeitheo: And you've tried doing # route add default gw <dest-iface-ip>?
01:56<mav>i have installed drivers for my wg511v2 card though modprobe ndiswrapper isnt working
01:57<apeitheo>rjn, hold on
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01:57<htraki>mav: wg511v2 is a wlan card?
01:57<mav>yes sorry
01:58<htraki>mav: did you executed ndiswrapper -m
01:58<mav>i just did, no luck
01:58<htraki>mav: ndiswrapper -l tells you there is an alt driver?
02:00<chealer>niru: did you check Debian's website?
02:00<chealer>mav: if you don't mind, what's the card's chipset?
02:00<niru>chealer, yes and seeing for netinst image
02:00<chealer>niru: there are links to all kinds of images from
02:01<htraki>mav: dmesg what tells you?
02:01<chealer>niru: note that current lenny daily images are broken
02:01<mav>ndiswrapper -l came back with invalid driver
02:01<chealer>niru: (for i386 at least)
02:01<mav>just trying to install the xp rather than 2000 drivers
02:01<niru>chealer, ok
02:02<htraki>mav: I think you did install the wrong inf file
02:03<mav>how do i rmdir with files in it?
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02:03<htraki>mav: remove the driver,that you have installed: do ndiswrapper -r <inf filename>
02:04<mav>ndiswrapper -e <fn> returns driver not installed
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02:05<htraki>I dont have -e option by me
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02:05<rjn>mav: rm -rf
02:05<mav>-e is the remove option
02:06<htraki>no, by me it is -r
02:06<H>hi, i try to do one reportbug but i have problems to set my MTA, can anyone helpme ?
02:06<htraki>what version do you have?
02:06<mav> 1.1
02:06<mav>-r is an invalid option
02:06<htraki>do you have sarge?
02:06<mav>im not sure
02:07<htraki>debian 3.1 is sarge
02:07<rjn>mav: $ cat /etc/debian_version
02:08<mav>returns 4.0
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02:09<macdeem>I installed some gnome-icon-theme-blankon but when I go to desktop preferences, I don't see any new themes available there. I wanna make desktop look really flashy
02:09<htraki>as I know ndiswrapper in etch is 1.28
02:10<chealer>H: not unless you explain your problems.
02:10<htraki>did you install ndiswrapper-source
02:10<H>i tryed with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
02:10<mav>my stuipidity stopped me...i tried to uninstall the inf :/
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02:11<H>and mailq still shows it: 4h 326 1J9tb3-00056E-Hv <ochominutosdearco> one @ is there
02:11<macdeem>how do you clean lcd displays, I used to just use windex on crt monitors, but not sure about the lcd display
02:11<H>i cant send emails with mta i think
02:11<H>i did not configured it
02:11<htraki>mav: We have to uninstall because ndiswrapper says that is invalid driver
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02:12<mav>yeah i uninstalled that driver
02:12<mav>then installed the xp driver and says driver and hardware present
02:12<mav>ndiswrapper -m returned that the alias is present in modprobe
02:12<htraki>alright,did you install ndiswrapper-source?
02:12<mav>yeah and utils-1.1
02:13<htraki>ok,do module-assistant autoinstall ndiswrapper
02:13<H>i think i did something wrong and its not configured, not well
02:13<H> /etc/init.d/exim4 force-reload does not solve the problem
02:14<H>must i restart exim?
02:14<mav>now what am i doing?
02:14<htraki>we compiling the kernel module for ndiswrapper
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02:15<mav>ok, which option do i select?
02:16<mav>i have overview/select/update/prepare
02:16<rjn>H: It will be difficult to troubleshoot your mailing configuration - everyone has a unique situation. Do $ ps -ef |grep exim if you are uncertain that exim is running.
02:16<mav>now find the wg driver?
02:16<debnoob>Hi peeps, a real noob question for you, just set up debian and installed and managed to get my winblows ntfs drive mounted as root but I can't seem to figure out how to mount it as user in the computer tool
02:17<htraki>do modprobe ndiswrapper
02:17<htraki>after install
02:17<H>i see it runing 4 times there
02:17<debnoob>also not sure which packages I need and which i don't ... would like to get it to mount at boot so I can start transfering my files off of win
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02:18<htraki>sorry,select ndiswrapper
02:18<debnoob>any peeps know the NTFS project an can help me configure this properly?
02:18<mav>i need to upgrade my headers package
02:18<htraki>go ahead
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02:19<rjn>H: You will probably have to run through # dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config a few times, trying different options, until you get things working well with your ISP.
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02:21<rjn>For NTFS auto-mount at boot: I would try editing /etc/fstab to add a line for the NTFS partition. Open it up with a text editor, use one of the other lines as a template, ntfs is the type.
02:22<debnoob>did that, it mounts complains about fuse and unmounts... if I modprobe fuse as root it mounts
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02:22<macdeem>anyone have a really flashy desktop, that what I want.
02:23<rjn>Edit /etc/modules and add fuse at the bottom - fuse will load at boot time. Maybe this is your solution?
02:23<debnoob>thats an idea
02:23<robokop>i'm on lenny and used the sid repos to install nvidia drivers but now nvidia-xconfig segfaults and just setting the driver to nvidia doesn't work either
02:24<htraki>debnoob: did you try to change fs type to ntfs-fuse?
02:24<debnoob>when I open computer, I see the HDD and size but can not mount it as user, how can I change that?
02:24<htraki>debnoob: use umask=0 as option
02:25<debnoob>/dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs-fuse fmask=0111,dmask=0,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
02:25<htraki>fmask and dmask does not need,I think
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02:25<htraki>use umask insted
02:26<debnoob>so just use umask=0
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02:26<htraki>you can also add users option
02:26<chealer>H: did you check exim's log?
02:26<debnoob>I am the only user who need access at the moment
02:27<H>ill try
02:27<htraki>debnoob: change dir permission
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02:28<macdeem>you should make the user you wanna mount with the owner in /etc/fstab
02:28<macdeem>yeah or do chown
02:29<debnoob>As I said earlier, I don't necessarily require it to mount at boot, but I would like to mount it by selecting the drive in computer applet
02:29<debnoob>how do I make the owner in fstab?
02:29<debnoob>se my ID ?
02:29<htraki>debnoob: if you dont want to mount at boot,then just add noauto option
02:29<macdeem>maybe defaults should work
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02:30<htraki>with defaults user does not have permission to mount
02:30<smoke>hi to all
02:30<htraki>hi smoke
02:30<smoke>and happy new year!
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02:31<htraki>happy new year to you
02:31<debnoob>so how do I edit that? I'm still very noob...
02:31<rjn>Set user,noauto in fstab. You will be able to mount the drive by clicking once you are in X.
02:31<debnoob>I mean how do I change it's permission
02:32<htraki>umask=022 is the normal user
02:32<debnoob>so replace user with my username?
02:32<htraki>I think
02:32<smoke>what's the programs that show the interrupts' number of keyboard ?
02:32<htraki>debnoob:dont do that,wont work
02:32<debnoob>noauto has been added.
02:32<debnoob>ah, user,noauto
02:32<macdeem>debnoob, I guess just use defaults and then do chown on that directory
02:33<htraki>macdeem: I said that before
02:33<debnoob>htraki: if I do user,noauto I don't need umask right?
02:34<htraki>yes, you need,because that will allow the normal user to mount
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02:34<debnoob>ok I'll try that.
02:34<apeitheo_>rjn, thanks for your help, I was able to figure out my underlying problem.
02:34<htraki>users option means that user can mount and umount
02:34<debnoob>do I have to reboot or is there an easier way to try this out, like su username
02:35<rjn>apeitheo: Glad to hear. Was hoping you'd make it back online before I put myself to bed.
02:35<htraki>you dont have reboot,just save fstab,and try it out
02:35<apeitheo_>rjn, the routing table was okay, it was my iptables settings (set by ipmasq) which was what was causing my problem -- wasn't allowing the connection to go through until one or the other interface was put down and up again
02:35<macdeem>htraki, sorry
02:35<rjn>apeitheo: That makes an awful lot of sense.
02:35<macdeem>so who have the most flashy desktop? I wanna install some new theme
02:36<robokop>macdeem: go check out dwm :P
02:36<macdeem>robokop, no, just a them for gnome
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02:37<macdeem>I'd say that enlightment is the flashiest dwm but it crashes so much
02:37<debnoob>[mntent]: line 11 in /etc/fstab is bad
02:37<debnoob>mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:37<robokop>macdeem: i wasn't serious, if you can find a smaller wm then dwm plz tell me
02:38<htraki>did you try it as root first?
02:38<macdeem>I never heard of dwm
02:38<robokop>E16 is quite stable (even the cvs version)
02:38<debnoob>was mounted as root, I did umount then tried it as user
02:38<htraki>debnoob: sory what is your fstab entry
02:39<htraki>debnoob: the problem is that only who mounted,can umount it
02:39<debnoob>I think I figured it out
02:39<debnoob>I had a space where I shouldn't have and now it only complains of permission
02:39<debnoob>I'll try to chown and test again
02:41<debnoob> permission denied
02:41<debnoob>failed to startup volume : permission denied
02:41<debnoob>couldn't mount device '/dev/sdb1' : permission denied
02:41<debnoob>mount failed.
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02:43<htraki>debnoob: did you do that as user?
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02:55<test1-pidgin>hi, all
02:55<test1-pidgin>i have some problems with my sound system
02:55<test1-pidgin>i am using ubuntu 7.10 (gutsy) amd64 version
02:55<test1-pidgin>on a computer with 64bit cpur dual-core
02:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
02:56<test1-pidgin>can anyone help me
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02:56<test1-pidgin>can anyone help me
02:57<macdeem>apt-cache search alsa
02:57<macdeem>alsa-conf configures it automatically, just click enter, enter...
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03:04<htraki>test1-pidgin: I can help you in privat,I hope
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03:07<macdeem>anyone ever tried compiz?
03:07<htraki>macdeem: compiz is very unstable
03:07<macdeem>how do you try it out though?
03:07<macdeem>I installed it but don't know how to try it
03:08<htraki>well,I did not try it yet,but I saw on brothers computer
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03:19<walkies>I like debian and gnu and the community and especially the package repository
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03:21<walkies>I wish it came with some restricted drivers and such for better compatibility, but I realize that that is found in other projects
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03:23<walkies>i like the debian philosophy and would like to find a variant that stays close to that, while also including some proprietary drivers and programs
03:23<walkies>and not ubuntu
03:24<htraki>walkies: look for katonix
03:25<htraki>or sidux
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03:26<walkies>they are both derived from the sid brach of debian, correct?
03:27<twb>Debian include proprietary drivers and programs.
03:27<htraki>but katonix not.I think
03:27<walkies>seduced by the dark-sidux
03:27<twb>Well, it distributes them, but claims they aren't part of Debian.
03:27<twb>I refer to /non-free
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03:36<Jon>I have a question about bugzilla - testopia: I have currently installed bugzilla-2.22.1-debian from apt, and now I want to install testopia. When I tried to patch bugzilla with "perl" I could not locate a fitting patch. So I also tried the -nopatch parameter, but still no luck. I have asked around on mozilla IRC channels but they directed me to this channel. Can tell me if there is a patch for bugzilla-2.22.1-debian so I can install testopia?
03:36<macdeem>walkies, what proprietary drivers and programs are you running?
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03:37<walkies>an intell wireless pro driver
03:38<walkies>however the real problem I am having is a more difficult hardware problem
03:38<walkies>for some reason, in most linuxes, when the X windows system come up, my laptop just turns off
03:39<htraki>walkies: how many RAM do you have?
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03:40<walkies>512 MB
03:40<htraki>how many do you share?
03:40<walkies>I think the video memory shares 64
03:40<htraki>what hw do you have?
03:40<walkies>the kernel option nolapic makea it work in SUSE but no such luck in debian or ubuntu
03:41<walkies>it's a toshiba sattelite series laptop, pentium M processor, intel chipset
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03:42<strangerDanger>heya guys
03:42<walkies>I'm kind of embarrased to admit, I'm hoping some variant, maybe with better hw autodetection, will make it "just work"
03:43<htraki>what intel chip do you have?
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03:48<macdeem>walkies, maybe you should just Suse from Novell cause they include that driver, I could get it running with debian. This wireless business is a real shame
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03:51<walkies>I really like the debian userland, is it possible to adapt that to suse?
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03:52<walkies>I really hate this laptop
03:52<walkies>suse is unstable on it
03:53<walkies>I am going to flash the bios to the newest version, there are firmware and microcode updates... for that i must reinstall windows xp
03:53<walkies>but I shall perservere :P
03:54<walkies>I do appreciate everyone's suggestions and support
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04:00<vook>is dunk-tank dead?
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04:08<kira>plz where i can find the easy way to install unrar i need it urgently
04:08<macdeem>I heard compiz is unstable but I forget who said it to me here
04:08<gsimmons>!tell kira -about unrar
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04:09<htraki>apt-get install unrar is the fastest way
04:09<gsimmons>kira: You'll need to add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file, assuming you're after the non-free unrar that can unextract RAR 3.0 archives.
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04:17<mav>i have just installed a wireless card
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04:18<mav>how do i set it up so dhcp allocates the wireless instead of the eth?
04:18<dondelelcaro>mav: set up /etc/network/interfaces appropriately or use network-manager
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04:31<ant_> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
04:32<ant_>anyone else have problems with radeon cards under lenny recently? My Xorg either crashes or uses all cpu. Was fine a few weeks ago
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04:34<walkies>who whoses Debian GNU/Hurd?
04:34<walkies>i think I need sleep..
04:37<walkies>my girlfriend usually tells me that I am a cunning linguist
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04:38<mav>ha ha
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04:43<mav>is there an artical on dpkg?
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04:52<twb>How do I tell which of my two IDE Controllers listed in lspci is controlling /dev/sda?
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05:09<Jon>I have a question about bugzilla - testopia: I have currently installed bugzilla-2.22.1-debian from apt, and now I want to install testopia. When I tried to patch bugzilla with "perl" I could not locate a fitting patch. So I also tried the -nopatch parameter, but still no luck. I have asked around on mozilla IRC channels but they directed me to this channel. Can anyone tell me if there is a patch for bugzilla-2.22.1-debian so I can install testopia?
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05:11<Jon>Pretty please?
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05:14<gandhi>alguém de Porto Alegre por aqui?
05:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:24<Maulkin>Jon: tried just applying the patch?
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05:29<Jon>yes I have. tried this "perl testopia/patch-2.22 and 2.22.1 and even 2.22.2"
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05:35<xsdg>twb: ftr, that was portuguese :o)
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05:37<twb>xsdg: oops
05:38<twb>Apart from the first word, it's spanish, too :-)
05:38<twb>I misread the first word because he's using an evil ol' encoding.
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05:42<xsdg>twb: UTF-8 isn't evil :o)
05:42<twb>He wasn't using UTF-8
05:42<xsdg>twb: but anyway, yeah, that's true (and sort of odd)
05:43<xsdg>twb: looks fine here
05:43<twb>Probably your client falls back to 8859-1 if it looks like gibberish as UTF-8
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05:53<mike__>I cannot download Lenny?
05:53<mike__>or 4.0?
05:53<SpeedyG>why not ?
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05:55<twb>Anybody remember how you fix this error?
05:55<twb>"Unlink after no-IRQ? Controller is probably using the wrong IRQ."
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05:55<htraki>hi guys
05:55<twb>This USB HCD is misbehaving
05:56<twb>It only detects devices inserted at boot time, and HID (mouse and keyboard) devices are really jittery, suggesting massive latency / bottleneck borkage
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06:40<artur>Hello All, Happy New Year!
06:41<twb>artur: get to the point
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06:41<artur>A somewhat broad question: has anyone been able to install and run Compiz Fusion on Etch? I've tried two or three tutorials, to no avail (so far)
06:42<artur>tiCo, could you point to the source please? Is it on Debian's wiki page? if so, that did not work for me, unfort
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06:42<tiCo>artur: I don't remember, I just answered your question
06:42<artur>ah, okay then
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06:43<greenplastic><artur> what do you mean not working? are you getting any errors?
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06:45<artur>greenplastic, it just wouldn't load that's it. no error messages. I do the sources.list, aptitude update, install the required packages and then, when I load theme-manager, nothing happens. no, no error messages
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06:47<greenplastic>artur, try to look at /var/log/Xorg.log
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06:48<artur>ok, thanks for the pointer. I will re-install the thing (silly me, I did aptitude --remove) and will look where you said. maybe the root of my "troubles" is there :) cheers
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06:50<mike__>SpeedyG, No working links
06:51<twb>artur: also look in ~/.xsession-errors
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06:54<artur>twb - thanks, will do
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06:55<mav>how do i change between tiles in irssi?
06:56<twb>Probably through a cunning combination of keystrokes
06:56<vook>ctrl-shift sompin
06:56<vook>or sompin
06:57<mav>thats underline :)
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06:58<twb>If a PATA HDD is underperforming (according to hdparm -t) and udma5 is on, what else can I try to speed it up?
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07:06<gsimmons>twb: You could enable 32-bit I/O and set the drive's sector count to MaxMultSect, if not already. Enable interrupt unmasking, possibly.
07:07[~]twb reaches for the hdparm manual
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07:11<twb>Apparently it's already in 32-bit mode, I can't set the sector count, and interrupt unmasking is on.
07:11<twb>This further reinforces my suspicions that the drive is simply crap
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07:20<negrito>ola wpas
07:21<negrito>me cago en buestra puta nacion
07:21<negrito>ijos de puta
07:21<twb>For the trigger-happy ops: that usuario chap was swearing.
07:23<negrito>ay algun puto español
07:24<negrito>me cgo en buestra putisima madre ijos de puta
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07:24<twb>!ops unsolicited impoliteness
07:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: unsolicited impoliteness
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07:25<twb>Thank you.
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07:27<jae_>Anyone got the w3c validator running locally? I'm stumped as to why it doesn't work here (it complains about "/usr/local/validator/templates", which I think means it doesn't read the config)
07:27<twb>jae_: apt-get install tidy?
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07:28<bremner>jae_: you mean on the command line?
07:28<jae_>Nope, via local apache
07:29<twb>The /usr/local complaint makes me think it isn't being built correctly by debian/rules
07:29<jae_>I put my local site into "Validate by URL", hit "Check", and only get the error message
07:29<bremner>jae_: ok can't help then. What twb said about /usr/local. You are using the debian package?
07:30<jae_>twb: that was my thought too... but then I checked the source, and it should read /etc/w3c/validator.conf, which sets the right path
07:30<jae_>I am using the Debian package (or I would kick myself instead of coming here)
07:30<twb>jae_: are you running apache in chrooted?
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07:45<victor>y can't mplayer plugin play midi in iceweasel? I've enabled support for midi.
07:46<victor>try this:
07:49<htraki>hi victor
07:49<victor>htraki, hi.
07:49<victor>it's annoying
07:50<peterS>yes, midi in web pages is annoying
07:50<victor>peterS, do you have any suggestions?
07:51[~]vook now wonders why he is trying to get midi to work in his browser
07:51<vook>it is annoying
07:51[~]twb is fortunate
07:51<twb>w3m-el does not implement midi support
07:51<peterS>...though I also think people who spell why as "y" are annoying
07:52<petemc_>they r
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07:52<SpeedyG>r ty ?
07:52<peterS>im in ur htm, playin ur midi
07:53<victor>peterS, and you are also using mplayer?
07:53<peterS>not with a web browser
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07:54<victor>peterS, then you must have downloaded the midi file, haven't you?
07:54<peterS>hmmm, METAR weather data dpesm
07:54<peterS>doesn't like me this morning. Temperature : -12 C
07:55<peterS>I don't think I've ever tried to play a midi file with mplayer. I just use timidity and such
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07:56<peterS>I hadn't heard that mplayer even claimed to support midi
07:57<htraki>then why mplayerplug-in has midi support?
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07:59<victor>peterS, so what do you think is the best tool for playing midi?
07:59<peterS>I refuse to answer that on the grounds that I already answered it implicitly
08:00<zeal>peterS: OMG, freezing !
08:00<peterS>as for midi from a browser plugin ... that sounds like you really want web pages to play crappy music to you automatically when you open them. and I get so annoyed with browsers that do that, I'm afraid I just can't figure out why someone would want to configure a browser that way on purpose
08:00<peterS>zeal: yeah rather.
08:00<twb>Apple II's are pretty good for playing MIDI
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08:01<vook>midi was fun in the old days
08:01<twb>peterS: you could say the same thing about GNOME
08:01<zeal>peterS: where are you ?
08:01<peterS>twb: really, I would have thought the necessary sound banks would eat up a lot more than the max system memory of 64kB
08:01<peterS>zeal: weather station KIAB. wichita, kansas, usa
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08:02<twb>Weather stations are still manned?
08:02<zeal>peterS: you can skating on the lake :)
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08:03<peterS>twb: I have no idea. the METAR station closest to me is McConnell Air Force Base, and I've never thought to ask who does the reporting. it claims to be reported every hour at exactly :55, though
08:04<twb>No mere fleshmonkey could be so accurate!
08:05<twb>But if you're *at* a weather station, surely you know if it's manned -- because you're manning it.
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08:06<vook>or womanning it
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08:07<Merlin69>happy new year you all...
08:07<htraki>happy new year, merlin69
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08:07<zeal>vook: you must be kidding, women are for parties :D
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08:21<victor>how to quit an already running command, like timidity -ie path/file?
08:21<twb>pkill timidity
08:22<victor>twb, thank you.
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08:33<victor>if mplayer has no support for midi, why does it try to read the file and show a box in the page?
08:33<victor>it interferes with timidity.
08:34<victor>how can it be stopped from doing that?
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08:34<htraki>disable midi support
08:35<victor>that having been done.
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08:37<mav>how do i find what dependencies a package has?
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08:37<gsimmons>mav: apt-cache depends foo
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08:46<mav>i need to install libdvdcss to watch dvds but i cant find it as a dependency and isnt available in apt-get help?
08:46<SpeedyG>it's in the debian multimedia repos
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08:59<mav>still asks for libdvdcss ...
09:00<SpeedyG>mav: did you install it yet ?
09:00<twb>It's libdvdcss2
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09:01<azeem>mav: you might have to restart your DVD application after installing libdvdcss2
09:02<hjb>Hi. I've somehow screwed up my console setup.
09:02<hjb>I'm using de_DE@utf8 as locale
09:02<mav>no joy
09:03<mav>i just installed the debian-multimedia-keyring ... that has libdvdcss2 in it i assume
09:03<hjb>Right now my german Umlauts are not displayed coreectly, and also not the Euro sign
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09:04<hjb>I'm on Debian Lenny here. What can i do to reset my setup into the state it was after installation?
09:05<hjb>Which of all the available console-* and kbd packages are needed?
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09:05<twb>hjb: none
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09:09<hjb>twb none for what environment?
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09:14<hjb>twm language environment
09:14<hjb>twm i've removed all console-* packages and kbd package and rebooted
09:15<hjb>now i've got a plain querty english keyboard layout
09:15<twb>hjb: So?
09:16<hjb>twb So... not i want to setup a german keyboard layout
09:16<hjb>twb and a console font correctly displaying the chars i'm typing
09:16<twb>Ah, you should have said.
09:16<twb>aptitude install console-setup
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09:17<hjb>twb Haven't i? :-) Ok, i'm trying that
09:17<twb>dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup
09:18<twb>hjb: ah, I see it now in the scrollback
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09:20<slav0nic>anybody know as fix error FAT: Unrecognized mount option "uhelper=hal" or missing value
09:20<slav0nic> when insert flash stogage (in gnome)?
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09:23<Maulkin>slav0nic: change /etc/fstab ?
09:23<hjb>twb Wow thanks :-) Everything's fine now, using TerminusBoldVGA!
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09:24[~]twb no like Bold
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09:24<slav0nic>Maulkin, there now lines about sdb device, only hdd
09:24<twb>1600x1200px, 12x6px terminus, yum
09:25<Maulkin>slav0nic: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
09:25<fxiny>terminus ? my preferred fonts
09:26<slav0nic>ii libc6 2.7-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:26<hjb>twb fb or plain console?
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09:26<fxiny>i use 'em with emacs too ;)
09:27<hjb>twb i should try it out. But this screen can only go up to 1024x768. Any font suggestion?
09:27<twb>hjb: dont use vesafb
09:27<hjb>twb what else?
09:28<twb>Er, that is vesafb can't do >>1024x768
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09:28<hjb>twb as said above, that's no problem here ;-) But i guess it's also slower than specialized fb?
09:29<twb>I doubt it
09:29<twb>Not slower enough to notice, anyway
09:30<hjb>twb hmm, then i'll first try vesafb
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09:31<hjb>twb The name of the bootparam was vga=<some special number>, right? Sadly, man bootparam doesn't know it :-/
09:32<twb>vga=780 is close, I think
09:32<twb>Or try video=vesafb:1024x768
09:32<hjb>the latter sound ok
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09:44<zeal>twb: vesafb is somewhat slow when scrolling up
09:44<zeal>twb: with zhcon its much faster :)
09:45<twb>Running on top of vesafb?
09:45<zeal>twb: sure, it seems zhcon makes vesafb much better
09:45<twb>I tried jfbterm, and it was even slower than vesafb
09:46<zeal>twb: however, zhcon is a chinese console :P
09:46<twb>I know
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09:46<zeal>twb: go and try it, I think you will be impressed
09:48<zeal>twb: see that ?
09:49<zeal>zeal: just man ssh and scroll up&down and see how fast it is VS raw vesafb console
09:49<zeal>sorry, to twb
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09:51<zeal>Well any vesafb is no match for konsole even xterm :P
09:51<twb>xterm is obviously very fast
09:51<twb>People spend a lot of effort making Xorg fast
09:52<zeal>there is a benchmark showing konsole is faster than xterm :)
09:52<twb>Because they care more about 120fps in Quake than in ncurses
09:52<twb>Benchmarks can be tweaked easily
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09:53<zeal>For quakeIII 140fps is the common choice for me LOL
09:53<twb>I wouldn't know, I've never played quake
09:54<zeal>you know for CS, 40~60fps is quite ok, but for quake 90~100fps is damn slow
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09:55<zeal>if your card can not pull you to 140fps , you got easily raped by others lol
09:55<twb>If you say so.
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09:55<azeem>zeal: how do you make your eyes scan the LCD more than 25 times a second?
09:56<azeem>or did you connect your VGA directly to your brain?
09:56<twb>azeem: he is a mutant
09:56<twb>azeem: don't you know everyone in china is a mutant robot
09:56<twb>They reproduce by budding and have scales
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09:57<zeal>twb: are you kidding me ?
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09:57<zeal>azeem: let me explain
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09:58<zeal>azeem: when you get in a very hot match and jump&shot very fast, sometimes the fps drops dramtically
09:59<zeal>which means, if you do not have an 140fps as normal speed, in those critical cases you are so dump
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09:59<zeal>and just cannot react in timer
09:59<fxiny>that's the only thing you can do in quake to survive : move faster then the evil zurg
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10:01<zeal>and besides when a man in very critical circumstances, for a very short period, you eyes DO read much faster
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10:02<zeal>fxiny: yeah~, move faster and shot faster :)
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10:03<hillih>Hi! Does anybody know how to downgrade a package? t.ex. vim-7.0-122+1etch3 -> vim-7.0-122+1etch1 ?
10:04<fxiny>zeal: there are no such circumstances , your retina never change in better , yuor brain can react faster not your eye
10:04<azeem>hillih: apt-get install vim=7.0-122+1etch1
10:04<hillih>azeem: thanks! will try that
10:05<fxiny>zeal: unless we agree the speed of light is not constant , and i believe so
10:06<zeal>fxiny: well, it may be more accurate to say "the speed of the brain processing images"
10:06<fxiny>zeal: that's right
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10:06<fxiny>so was azeem :)
10:07<zeal>fxiny: but I think fps does have subtle impact on your eyes: you can easily distinguish a screen refresh rate lower than 70fps ?
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10:08<zeal>25fps is for movie
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10:08<fxiny>zeal: is the "symlink" your-finger-your-eye that counts in gaming
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10:09<fxiny>nothing to do with extra power
10:09<fxiny>adrenaline can help as you noticed before ...
10:11<zeal>fxiny: I think we are much off-topic now :)
10:11<fxiny>zeal: :)
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10:12<fxiny>zeal: i read today of the foss game project , good news for us :)
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10:13<zeal>fxiny: oh, what's the news? :)
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10:16<zeal>bed time, see u all :)
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10:19<fxiny>zeal: slashdot
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10:20<hillih>azeem: yes, it works fine :-)
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10:21<zztop>hello world
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10:22<zztop>can anyone help me? i dont know what to do with the run file i just downloaded?
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10:22<azeem>zztop: you should install .deb files not .run files
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10:23<zztop>strange, its the only file tremulous is offering for download for linux
10:24<azeem>what is tremulous?
10:24<zztop>coolest game on earth :)
10:24<gsimmons>zztop: You might as well install the 'tremulous' package from contrib.
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10:24<azeem>!info tremulous
10:24<dpkg>tremulous: (Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 641 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB
10:24<zztop>yep - for some reason i only thought of that now.
10:24<zztop>thanks guys!
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10:26<zztop>bye bye
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10:27<XoX>what image iso image should i get for use as a rescue cd for debian etch?
10:28<Maulkin>XoX: Netinst
10:28<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
10:28<stullekunde>hallo, ich hätte mal ne Frage zu den IPTables unter etch (2.6.21) ... welche Kerneloptionen müssen aktiviert sein fürs masquerading?
10:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:28<gsimmons>!tell XoX -about rescue mode
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10:43<iisjmii>small non-debian question...what
10:43<iisjmii>wait sorry
10:43<iisjmii>what is the opposite of preceding ?
10:43<iisjmii>offcourse thank you :)
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10:44<padski>or suceeding
10:44<padski>but with two 'c'
10:45<iisjmii>is 'a comma following/succeeding a collon' a correct sentence?
10:46<padski>iisjmii: is this in wany way debian related ?
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10:47<iisjmii>yep, im programming some package and I need to know how to call a variable :)
10:47<odla>does anyone know how to change the theme in kdm?
10:47<iisjmii>but I addmit it is a little 'offtopic' sorry
10:47<padski>iisjmii: colon has one 'l', and a sentance will generally have a verb.
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10:49<iisjmii>padski: first was a typo, second, i use it in a qcomma_succeeding_colon; Thank you for the help I did not want to name it wrong
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10:51<htraki>hi guys
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10:51<htraki>Is there anybody that runs skype with 64bit arch?
10:52<iisjmii>not me sorry, something wrong?
10:52<htraki>well,just want ot know,if skype runs on 64 bit debian?
10:52<iisjmii>I'm testing it as we speak ;)
10:53<iisjmii>(i need it any way)
10:53<cahoot>htraki: doesn't skype have a linuxoriented forum?
10:53<htraki>I dont know any
10:53<cahoot>i e you haven't looked
10:54<htraki>yes,i dont need it,only my friend
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10:55<iisjmii>downloading is a bit slow
10:56<padski>iisjmii: you have a variable called qcomma_succeeding_colon, and it is an integer. are you counting commas ?
10:56<iisjmii>yes why?
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10:57<padski>iisjmii: by the sounds of things "commas after colon" would be more idiomatic
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10:58<iisjmii>padski: and mcuh simpler :), I think I take your advice, thanks
10:59<iisjmii>I always call thinks too cryptic
10:59<hjb>Hi. How do i use nvidiafb instead of vesafb for my systems console?
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10:59<padski>iisjmii: context is king
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11:00<victor>I have set the system volume to maximum, still it's not loud enough while playing internet radios.
11:01<iisjmii>yes it is.
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11:01<victor>Is it possible to make it louder by a command line?
11:02<cahoot>see if alsamixer is of any use
11:02<iisjmii>victor: you could thy alsamixer
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11:02<iisjmii>sorry too late
11:03<hjb>It looks like with the plain debian kernel, both fbcon and vesafb are compiled into the kernel, while nvidiafb is compiled as a module
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11:04<hjb>The kernel Documentation for fbcon says: when fbcon is compiled into the kernel, and the fb driver is compiled as a module, then modprobing the module will make fbcon take over the systems console
11:04<hjb>i've tried that, but nothing happended :-/
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11:05<hjb>Further, i've tried to get information about the fb dev using fbset. But i realized that i've got not /dev/fbX device nodes
11:06<hjb>I guess it's a problem with udev, right?
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11:08<iisjmii>htraki: answer is no I'm afraid
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11:14<mp>sweet, i guess i won
11:15<hjb>That was me, but ok: you won!
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11:16<Maulkin>!win mp
11:16<dpkg>Congratulations, mp! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
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11:16<fxiny>like Ronnie Biggs
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11:17<mp>heh, <3 the great train robbery
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11:20<evgeni>hi, could somebody answer my question please, I am new to linux community?
11:21<elky>evgeni, if we knew what it was, we might be able to answer the one you just asked.
11:21<jessejazza>i can try
11:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:21<JasonS>evgeni: you have to ask it first
11:21<Maulkin>You haven't asked it yet, so it'll be quite hard to answer.
11:21<evgeni>:) just wanted to see how many ppl were awake
11:21<Maulkin>We're all asleep
11:21<elky>evgeni, so you didnt even have a question?
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11:22<evgeni>I installed ubuntu desktop version, but I really need to have a website hosted on this machine, what server applications would you recommend to get?
11:22<azeem>evgeni: please ask #ubuntu on
11:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
11:22<evgeni>ok thank you
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11:24<elky>evgeni, reading a channel's topic (usually says it when you join the channel) is often helpful too :)
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11:40<heron>boa tarde
11:40<heron>so testando
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11:42<chrysopa>Hi all,
11:43<dpkg>All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either.
11:44<davi>Which is the quicker file system for a USB stick? ext2, vfat?
11:44<@Ganneff>wrong question. you cant compare them.
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11:44<@Ganneff>one is totally crap and doesnt know about simple things like ownerships and rights and stuff
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11:44<chrysopa>I try to install debian-testing in the last month without suceess. I get the weekly build iso but it fail on installer.
11:44<padski>davi: go and benchmark it ?
11:45<chrysopa>I show a message about the wrong kenel modules on the installer
11:45<davi>padski, well, if I am forced to do it :)
11:45<izzi>chrysopa: install etch and then change the sources.list to lenny
11:45<izzi>or uynstable
11:46<chrysopa>izzi, OK, testing' installer is really broken?
11:46<izzi>then dist-upgrade :)
11:46<izzi>I dont now
11:46<davi>Ganneff, So vfat rejected. About choosing ext2, ext3, etc., I think the quicker will be ext2
11:46<izzi>whats the error ?
11:46<@Ganneff>also wrong way to compare
11:46<@Ganneff>using journaled fs on usb AKA flash is bad
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11:47<padski>davi: it might help you to articulate your question
11:47<davi>Ganneff, So the only option is ext2 :) ?
11:47<chrysopa>I dont have, at this moment, net on this computer. That is I try to install testing directly.
11:47<@Ganneff>davi: no, but from what you listed its the best for a flash memory stick
11:47<davi>thanks Ganneff
11:47<padski>davi: most filesystems are optimised for rotating media
11:48<davi>padski, Good point
11:48<@Ganneff>journaling writes more, so wears out flash more.
11:49<davi>I try to remember the name of a filesystem for ROM and USB sticks ....
11:49<davi>It was a Linux kernel module
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11:49<davi>yep :)
11:49<padski>davi: jffs is flash specific, but lower level, does wear-levelling
11:53[~]bjb_ is pleased that apt-cache policy shows the newly built, new-version-number pinned package actually being pinned this time.
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11:54<padski>davi: note that the word 'flash' appears nowhere on that page
11:54<davi>I note it
11:54<davi>cramfs seems to be read only
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11:55<padski>davi: what do you want to do ?
11:57<davi>I was thinking about format my 8GB USB stick to get higher transfer speed. Its current format is vfat.
11:57<padski>davi: I would be surprised if the format makes much odds
11:58<davi>I do not know if doing that trick I could get a better speed than the current one
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11:59<padski>davi: I hear that the speed of flash varies a great deal from product to product
11:59<padski>davi: you might get a win from compression if you have cpu cycles to burn
11:59<davi>I though that the USB 2.0 was used at the higher limit in GNU/Linux systems, due to the good kernel driver
12:00<davi>Compression is not an option to me
12:01<padski>davi: benchmarks would get you facts on where the bottlenecks are in your particular system, I can only hazard guesses :-)
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12:02<davi>padski, # time cp -r Family /mnt/
12:02<davi>I will be back to report (vfat vs ext2)
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12:10<davi>let me look at it
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12:13<padski>davi: log structured filesystems is the recurring meme for flash, presumably because you don't have the seek problem that rotational media has.
12:14<Gathond>padski: that and you get wear levelling basically for free
12:15<davi>Great article! It match my needs. So HFS seem which offers the best performance
12:15<padski>davi: you know what hfs is ?
12:16<padski>davi: mac
12:16<davi>shit, :P
12:16<davi>Hierachical File System (Apple)
12:17<davi>Anyway let me check if there are free drivers for the Linux kernel
12:17<padski>davi: like Ganeff said, the question is "wrong"
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12:18<davi>padski, What exactly was the wrong question?
12:18<padski>Gathond: I'll take your word for that, but I would have thought the tricky bit would be the worst cases
12:19<Gathond>padski: I JFFS at one time always wrote the entire flash before starting to actually erase stuff
12:19<padski>davi: chances are that once you know the answer you'll realise you are optimising the wrong thing
12:19<Killing_Frost>Wrong Question: How do I get my WinMODEM to work in Redhat? It works fine in Windows...
12:19<azeem>Killing_Frost: please ask in a redhat chan
12:20<Gathond>padski: usually filesystems (block structured) writes the same blocks, which is bad for flash as the limitation in lifetime is basically the number of erase cycles
12:20<padski>Gathond: I had jffs2 on an ipaq some years back. iirc with nand flash you can flip a bit one way for free but not the other.
12:21<Killing_Frost>I'm not here for that. I'm just wondering how to toggle off the "Thanks for installing Debian" login screen.
12:21<Killing_Frost>I can't remember which config it's in...
12:22<Gathond>padski: true, a reset flash is generally 0xFF and you change bits to 0, then delete it all by erasing the block which then goes back to being 0xFF
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12:22<Gathond>well a lot of 0xFF some flashes has 128 KB block sizes
12:23<padski>Gathond: as we enter the flash age, we are going to notice those missing explicit erase operations ;-)
12:24<davi>I have installed the mtd-tools package
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12:30<waza-ari>hallo @ all
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12:30<waza-ari>ich hätte mal ne frage
12:30<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:31<waza-ari>ah ok, thank you
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12:31<waza-ari>didnt know that this is an english channel
12:31<waza-ari>going to ask there
12:31<padski>I see german, I type !de, no thoughts in between ;-)
12:31[~]bjb_ discovers yet another set of apt commands: auto-apt
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12:34<geekunit>Anyone know the steps to getting a USB joystick working in Debian?
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12:37<padski>geekunit: not exactly what you asked, but I saw this recently is a similar connection:
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12:43<geekunit>padski: kde's joystick calibration tool recognizes it. Having trouble with SNES9x tho
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12:45<keyz>i got strange stuff: i juste upgrade my lenny and libgimp goes from 2.4.1-1 to 2.4.3-1 ... so gimp doesn't work anymore :/
12:45<padski>geekunit: device naming issue ? see for example:
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12:48<padski>keyz: how did you do that upgrade ?
12:48<keyz>apt-get upgrade
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12:48<bjb_>You're never really finished finding apt stuff eh? Looking at package apt-doc, it has a small set of pages. But I was pointed to the apt-howto last night - it is a separate package with a ton of useful documentation
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12:50<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
12:50<padski>keyz: so not like the above ?
12:50<keyz>yes but i was on lenny
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12:50<keyz>it was just a routine upgrade
12:50<ViRaveNuS>can somebody please tell abot the nvidia onliner?
12:50<padski>keyz: apologies, I misread
12:50<keyz>padski, no problem ;)
12:51<ViRaveNuS>can somebody please tell me about the nvidia onliner?
12:51<ViRaveNuS>one line nvidia driver install
12:51<padski>keyz: did apt-get exit with an error
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12:51[~]bjb_ adds link to to
12:51[~]Aleric uses
12:52<keyz>padski, no problems at all with apt, but all my gimp packages are in 2.4.1-1 but the lib in 2.4.3-1
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12:53<keyz>ViRaveNuS, the driver from nvidia is good ... if this is what you want
12:54<ViRaveNuS>ok thx
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12:56<padski>keyz: so if you apt-get upgrade again what does is say ?
12:57<ViRaveNuS>i have an buzing error with envy he is tell me that i have "dependencies problem" by who depends envy :(
12:58<keyz>nothing, just usual upgrade apt's verbosity
12:58<ViRaveNuS>no i had done that
12:58<padski>keyz: is it holding back gimp ?
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12:58<keyz>padski, not at all
12:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 338] by debhelper
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12:59<keyz>ViRaveNuS, you probably check the wrong answer ;)
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12:59<keyz>ViRaveNuS, you have to compile something
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12:59<keyz>ViRaveNuS, if you don't manage to, got you're kernel headers
12:59<padski>keyz: well, gimp is at 2.4.3-1 in lenny
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13:00<ViRaveNuS>i want to install the nvidia driver with envy and i have finished update/upgrade the debian os and after i had installed envy and still tells me that i have dependencies problems and envy will not work without them
13:00<keyz>oops, it was with dist-upgrade :D
13:01<Aleric>Can someone help me? Which package contains the graphviz png plugin?
13:01<keyz>sorry mate ;)
13:01<padski>keyz: no worries :-)
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13:03<keyz>it may explain some other strange behaviors
13:04<padski>keyz: :-)
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13:09<padski>!why not dist-upgrade
13:09<dpkg>If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want.
13:10<padski>doesn't seem to account for your problem though :-(
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13:11<keyz>yes, it gaves me another ones, i saw my ati driver uninstalled ;)
13:11<padski>ah! you have come to right factoid ;-)
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13:12[~]bjb_ installs yet another packaging tool (cdbs)
13:12<padski>[note to editor: insert "the" before right]
13:13<Aleric>ugh, I haven't run apt-get update in a while..
13:13<Aleric>331 upgraded, 37 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
13:13<Aleric>I hope things will still work after this :p
13:14<keyz>if you want this , keep it stable ;)
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13:14<keyz>so ... i have to try, brb
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13:16<doodoo>Someone knwow Postfix?
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13:17<padski>Aleric: I'm willing to bet that any problems will be relatively easy to trace down and fix. contrast and compare with other systems is left as an exercise ...
13:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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13:17<JasonS>doodoo: #postfix sure does
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13:22<fxiny>it seems all the spam bots moved over to .ar , targeting lists from there ...
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13:27<bjb_>I made a small change to a package (pilot-link, libpisock9) and I've packaged it up - but I don't like the way it's done - edit the source code directly. I want to redo it by making a patch of my change and putting that patch in pilot-link-0.1.12/debian/patches - is there a howto for that?
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13:29<bjb_> covers customizations such as changes to compile options (changes within debian directory only) but not making a patch that gets applied to pilot-link_0.12.2.orig.tar.gz
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13:33<kop>I just wrote to a usb stick, dd-ed the result, removed and re-inserted, dd-ed again and got something different. Specifically, I removed a file and then made a new one. The new file is gone and the old one is back. (As far as the directory entry goes, and the new file's content. There's some other difference that does not look quite like the old file going away.) Paste of history is: I'm running etch.
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13:34<kop>After mounting the second time I can see that the removed file is back (including contents).
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13:35<bjb_>hmm, maybe that uupdate program can help ...
13:35<fxiny>kop: fs ?
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13:36<kop>fxiny : Zeroed the partition table, recreated it and put a fs on all on the debian box. (The goal is to get freedos on a bootable usb stick. But I couldn't figure out where my grub boot menu had gotten to. Now I know. It got eaten. :(
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13:39<fxiny>kop: zeroing the partition table won't delete fat files already deleted
13:39<andrej>can somebody hellp me configure proftpd ?
13:39<kop>fxiny : Just explaining how the partition table et-al got on the stick to start with.
13:40<andrej>or is somebody knows for a easy guideline for proftpd ?
13:42<kop>fxiny : I did write the freedos bootloader block onto the first block of the first partition (the fat16 partition) after putting a fs on it, but before mounting it. I can't see that'd matter, but who knows....
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13:44<fxiny>kop: with a disk editor like lde you can recover fat files easy , i never tried sfill on a stick (from secure-delete , iirc ext2 dunno ext3)
13:44<kop>fxiny : Anyhow. After getting a partition table, a partiton, and a fat16 fs, then I mounted, wrote a bunch of stuff, deleted the one file and added one and found the final delete/add did not "take".
13:45<fxiny>kop: automagically ? f* evil stick !
13:45<kop>fxiny : I don't need to recover, I need to be able to write to the stick relyably. I don't know where to start to figure it out.
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13:45<kop>fxiny : Yes. Just unmounted, unplugged, replugged, remounted and then found the last changes "undone". (!)
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13:46<kop>fxiny : Could it be the stick?
13:47<fxiny>kop: i'd check with a disk editor to see if when you delete that file is really deleted first , can't rememeber now the hex code something like a 5 ?
13:48<kop>fxiny : I dd-ed before and after. The "before" does not have the deleted file, I'll paste the diff of the hd.
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13:50<kop>fxiny :
13:51<kop>fxiny : The "written" is what I got before unmounting and unplugging the usb stick. The "read" is after re-inserting the stick.
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13:53<mar0>anyone there?
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13:54<fxiny>kop: i'm looking for my (very) old notes , since ext3 i do not play with undeleting anymore ;)
13:55<kop>!tell mar0 -about ask
13:56<mar0>I just wasn't sure if everything is allright with the irc client.
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13:57<fxiny>kop: right : E5
13:57<fxiny>i remembered a 5 ....
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14:00<kop>fxiny : I don't see the E5 in the hexdump diff. I think I see the old directory entry replaced with something new. At least that's how I read the diff.
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14:01<mar0>I have installed all codecs, graphic-card drivers and even all the required plug-ins etc. to get video working in my web browser (ff and opera, both having problems handling it).
14:01<mar0>Firefox displays the "flash player" but doesn't seem to be working proprly. Any ideas?
14:02<kop>fxiny : I can't imagine a bad usb stick would be this consistent in what it does.
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14:04<mar0>It doesn't even let me reinstall firefix cos of aditional sofware depanding on it or some crap.
14:04<kop>mar0 : There's also the conky (?) stand-alone player. You could try that. Otherwise, you'll need to say more than "does not work properly" if you want help.
14:05<mar0>kop: You know dude, sometimes I hear some noise than I get a frame or 2 from the vid but it freezes after a while
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14:06<kop>mar0: I'm flash clueless.
14:06<fxiny>kop: you can do this : create a 123.txt file ,then delete it . use lde or somethng else and check if for the 1 at beginning of the file name you get E5 .
14:07<fxiny>if you dont get it you are into trouble
14:07<mar0>kop: k I am gonna check your player out, brb with feedback
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14:11<mar0>kop: uhmm I can't find any player called conky ( conchy, concy...) there is some music-sofware but not what I am looking for. It's just like when I visit metacafe or youtube the vids dont play... Did this help any?
14:12<kop>fxiny : Should I umount before trying lde?
14:13<kop>mar0 : I don't think conky is in etch. If you've etch then you need to get it from, about which I know not much.
14:13<mar0>There are many threads in the forums but can't find any solution.
14:14<fxiny>kop: just delete and fire lde up : check for the infamous E5 :)
14:15<fxiny>kop: there is sleutkit for this kind of recovery/check maybe there are specific tools to check sticks integrity , dunno but with all this sticks around i think i'll go back playing , i just need a victim :P
14:15<mar0>I am using ubuntu dist btw.
14:16<fxiny>i rememer sleutkit , hahahah pretty cadaveric names ....
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14:17<fxiny>kop: but i was checking ext2 , not fat ! and then sfill smem sswap and srm too
14:17<fxiny>good time !
14:17<fxiny>ext3 killed my personal bamboo :P
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14:19<fxiny>when dpkg calls fat pathetic i always laugh :P
14:19<kop>!tell mar0 -about ubuntu
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14:24<fxiny>kop: now i remember where and why the E5 : the damned floppies ! yeahhh hahahah
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14:25<ZeuZ>Is there any way to remove a module from an un-bootable kernel without recompiling it?
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14:26<mar0>kop: k, th
14:27<xsdg>ZeuZ: what do you mean?
14:27<tpr>any convenient built-in ways to 'low level' format a disk (scsi or ide)? to prevent easy recovery of data by someone else
14:27<xsdg>ZeuZ: also, it matters whether the module is in the initramfs or not
14:28<xsdg>tpr: has a rescue cd, memtest86, and hdshred, all in one package
14:28<tpr>xsdg: cheers but not built-in and i dont have a cdrom :p
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14:28<ZeuZ>xsdg: No, it's not on initramfs... it loads all until the KDM then it fails and comits Kernel Oops
14:28<witte>tpr: you can copy cat /dev/random to the disk
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14:29<xsdg>tpr: I believe the program you're looking for is called "hdd shred" or something like that; check google
14:29<tpr>witte: blunt but effective propably :p
14:29<_kb>Is it possible to divide a lvm over two encrypted harddiscs without letting the / (root) unencrypted?
14:30<witte>tpr: and it is built in :-)
14:30<xsdg>tpr: keep in mind that may cause a kernel panic before it's done
14:30<xsdg>(if it has the root partition)
14:30<fxiny>tpr: hard to prevent with journaled fs
14:30<tpr>xsdg: i have, was just hoping for some easy solution such as an option for fsck ;)
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14:31<xsdg>tpr: also, depends how much effort you want to thward
14:31<tpr>fxiny: perhaps but my intention is not to be 100% secure just so that the next box owner cant simply use any recovery software and access my data
14:31<fxiny>check secure-delete utilities like sfill , it can cook your hd as all the multi Guttman-style pass apps
14:31[~]Aleric wrote a script that generates the skeleton of a new C++ project.
14:32<tpr>fxiny: that would be in correlation to dod standards right
14:32<tpr>that guttman algorhitm
14:32<witte>tpr: just overwrite it with x copies of the debian iso
14:32<tpr>Aleric: congratz!
14:32<fxiny>i mean : Guttman n passes
14:32<witte>or any data you may have lurking around which is not harmfull
14:33<fxiny>tpr: the best way to prevent is encryption
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14:33<xsdg>witte: :o)
14:33<tpr>witte: now youre saying debian isos are not harmful!
14:34<tpr>err sounded more funny than it ended up to be :o
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14:34<witte>tpr: they never did me any harm at least ;-)
14:34<fxiny>tpr: if you next owner is not a 3 letter company employee , no problems . mutipasses and some such shoud be ok
14:34<xsdg>fxiny: IBM? 8)
14:34<fxiny>xsdg: UBU ? hahahahaahha
14:34[~]xsdg laughs
14:35<Aleric>tpr: have a look, I get it does more than you think :)
14:35<Aleric>I bet*
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14:36<fxiny>i don't even think to do a multipass something on my hd : they probably will be dead before the end
14:36<tpr>think ill encrypt, just sounds the easiest
14:37<tpr>thanks for the input
14:37<fxiny>if i can't recover it i'm ok . i don't have secrets the riia can be interested in :P
14:37<tpr>nor do I :)
14:37<tpr>or i wouldve encrypted already :o
14:38<fxiny>tpr: my next box will be dual hd , only one will be encrypted
14:38<fxiny>i alredy have planned it
14:38<bremner>Aleric: I think I could write hello world in less lines :-)
14:39<fxiny>tpr: pgp will take care of all files going into the unencrypted ;)
14:40<ZeuZ>Problem solved ^^
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14:40<fxiny>trhere is no point on writing files , deleting them and then the sfilling up the empty space
14:40<fxiny>is stupid
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14:42<andrej>what is the command that shows you which processes are running currently ?
14:42<Robinayor_>andrej: rm
14:42<witte>andrej: top? ps?
14:42<Aleric>bremner: Sure... but this project has support for "cdeh" (, libcwd (, uses cwautomacros (automated libtool, automake, autoconf environment,, and sets up a fully configured doc directory for doxygen)
14:43<andrej>how can i kill the process ?
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14:43<witte>andrej: kill <pid>
14:43<Xenguy>andrej: identify the PID number, then 'kill' it
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14:44<Xenguy>andrej: ps |grep processname
14:44<Xenguy>andrej: ps aux | grep processname
14:44<andrej>i used kill and pid no.
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14:46<Xenguy>fxiny: interesting, didn't know about pgrep
14:46<fxiny>Xenguy: i think i learned in this chan
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14:47<vegenero>hi there - how can I prevent DHCP from updating my /etc/resolv.conf?
14:48<xsdg>vegenero: there's some option in dhcp.conf, iirc
14:48<fxiny>resolvconf ?
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14:50<xsdg>19:47:28 < vegenero> hi there - how can I prevent DHCP from updating my /etc/resolv.conf?
14:50<xsdg>19:48:31 < xsdg> vegenero: there's some option in dhcp.conf, iirc
14:50<xsdg>19:48:38 < fxiny> resolvconf ?
14:50<xsdg>vegenero: though I guess I meant dhclient.conf nowadays
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14:50<vegenero_>xsdg: thanks
14:50<fxiny>sounds like an encryption puzzle : vigenere
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14:51<xsdg>vegenero_: np
14:51<vegenero_>I tried adding 'dns-nameservers' to '/etc/network/interfaces' but it won't work
14:51<fxiny>xsdg: is not that one ? lemme ask apt-cache show
14:51<vegenero_>and I can't find any dhclient.conf in /etc
14:52<kop>fxiny : Well, I can't figure out lde, at least not in so far as getting it to navigate a fat16 fs. dd | hd tells me, as far as I can tell that the entire directory entry is gone. I don't see a e5. But it was the last thing added to the directory.
14:52<vegenero_>I'll have a look at the 'resolvconf' pakcage
14:52<xsdg>vegenero_: do you have dhcp.conf?
14:52<xsdg>fxiny: I guess it depends on the branch
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14:52<vegenero_>xsdg: yes, because the machine runs a DHCP server
14:53<koala>can somebody help me ? I can't change my screen resolution
14:53<koala>the preferences screen only gives me one option : 640x480
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14:53<xsdg>vegenero_: hmm...
14:53<xsdg>vegenero_: what branch are you running?
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14:53<witte>!tell koala about drxx
14:54<koala>thx I'll test :)
14:54<fxiny>kop: e5 is the last thing ? could be ok , has been long time and my notes are too cryptic and dusty
14:55<vegenero_>woops, I just found a dhclient.conf
14:55<kop>koala : (If that does not help, then you'll need to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. But then come back and ask.
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14:56<fxiny>kop: what is the letter for the e5 ? , can you change it back to the original you remeber ? it should undelete it
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14:56<andrej>can somebody tell me why amarok 1.4.7 starts to work very slowly if i play stream (radio) ?
14:56<andrej>if i play mp3 works normaly
14:57<fxiny>kop: say e5 > K23.txt change k with 1 and you get the 123.txt file back
14:58<kop>fxiny : I think it ends in a 0x00. But anyhow, I don't need to get _anything_ back. I'm just trying to write to my usb stick and finding it does not happen.
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14:59<vegenero_>ok, removing 'domain-name-servers' from the 'request' line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf seems to have done the trick
14:59<vegenero_>thanks for helping!
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14:59<fxiny>kop: maybe you need to umount it when you write/delete it or the zombie comes back
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15:01<novakyu>i have a rather annoying problem on my debian etch system (running xfce).
15:01<novakyu>every now and then, some keys get stuck, but not mechanically.
15:02<novakyu>sometimes it's a modifier key like ctrl and shift, and sometimes it's an alpha-numeric key, and in the worst case, it's the return key ...
15:02<kop>fxiny : Yup. If I mount, add file A, rm file A, add file B, unmount, remove, reinsert, mount then file B is gone and file A comes back. But if I mount, add file A, delete file A, unmount, remove, reinsert, remount, add file B, unmount, remove, reinsert, remount then everything is as expected.
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15:02<fxiny>novakyu: pc105 ?
15:02<novakyu>and i'm rather stumped why it's happening, and i was wondering if anyone had an idea why it might be happening.
15:03<novakyu>oh, and i use dvorak keymap.
15:03<fxiny>kop: sticks and stones ! ;)
15:03<kop>fxiny : So I can work-around, but it sounds like some kind of bug. Somewhere. Is there anything I can do to get this fixed?
15:03<kop>fxiny :)
15:03<novakyu>fxiny: is pc105 mutually exclusive with dvorak?
15:03<novakyu>if not, i probably chose whatever was the install default.
15:04<fxiny>novakyu: dvorak ? dunno , never used a dvorak keyboard
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15:04<novakyu>i haven't had this stuck-key problem in the virtual terminal ... but then, i don't work in virtual terminals usually. i was thinking maybe it's something related to X.
15:04<kop>koala : After dpkg-reconfigure of Xorg you might need to logout and log back in again. (I.e. restart X)
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15:05<kop>novakyu : This is somewhat far afield, but I wonder if your problem is related to this:
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15:07<novakyu>kop: well, thankfully it's not as severe as that.
15:07<novakyu>usually, when my keys get stuck, hitting the key one more time unsticks it.
15:07<novakyu>i should say "stuck", because it's not mechanically stuck ...
15:07<andrej>does anyone know for a kind of graphic ftp server ? :)
15:08<vegenero_>graphic != server
15:08<witte>andrej: server?
15:08<novakyu>and as a point of interest, sometimes i would get the ctrl key stuck while hitting the right ctrl ... and for some reason to get it unstuck, i have to hit the left ctrl key.
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15:08<witte>andrej: or do you mean graphical program to log in onto an ftp server? in case of the latter: gftp
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15:08<andrej>witte: yes like proftpd just with windows and stuff :))
15:08<koala>I lost my x server :p
15:08<vegenero_>andrej: in that case, you're looking for a client, not a server
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15:09<fxiny>kop: i'm checking if srm from secure-delete can delete fat
15:09<andrej>vegenero_: i'm looking for server not client ...
15:09<witte>koala: you lost it? which was the error you got?
15:09<koala>couldn't find screen
15:09<vgnr>andrej: in that case, I'm afraid you're not gonna find anything graphical in the debian realm
15:10<vgnr>andrej: Debian ain't like Windows NT :)
15:10<vgnr>andrej: but you can have a look at proftpd
15:10<koala>"no screens found"
15:10<witte>koala: can you upload your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a pastebin
15:10<vgnr>andrej: it's fairly easy to configure, comes with a well commented config file by default
15:10<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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15:10<fxiny>kop: no point : 38 pass will kill your stick
15:10<fxiny>too much
15:11<andrej>vgnr: i know :D very much !! i have tried proftpd but i did not make it work... me stupido ....
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15:12<fxiny>and anyway "the program were NOT programmed for any windows environment" : rip :P
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15:16<fxiny>kop: are you planning to use your backup app on the stick ?
15:16<witte>koala: and can you also upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:18<koala>would you have maybe an ftp I could upload to ?
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15:18<koala>pasting is kinda hard without a mouse or a graphics interface :p
15:18<witte>!pastebin pipe
15:18<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
15:19<chealer>koala: do you use the nvidia driver?
15:19<witte>koala: apt-get install libwww-mechanize-perl;wget;cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |perl
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15:23<witte>koala: if all works as it should, you should now have a url, which you can post here
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15:24<koala>I don't know if it's my connection or something else but it's lagging
15:24<koala>I'll write the result as soon as I get it
15:25<witte>koala: which step
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15:25<koala>it's awaiting a reply from the website
15:26<koala>it's trying to get the .pl file
15:26<witte>koala: ok, ill check that
15:27<witte>koala: that paster seems down
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15:30<witte>koala: in that case i have no clean solution, i am not really capable of writing a similar script for an other paster within 5 minutes
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15:32<koala>I can understand
15:32<koala>maybe an ftp I could upload to ?
15:33<stew>koala: ?
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15:33<witte>koala: you can use a text based web browser (elinks) to upload as well
15:34<koala>I was using lynx
15:34<witte>koala: or if you have a ftp server...
15:34<witte>stew: that site is down
15:34<koala>I'm behind some kind of router that sucks
15:34<koala>I don't have rights on it
15:34<witte>stew: i adviced him to use the paster script, but that refers to, which does not work
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15:35<koala>debian paste doesn't work either
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15:35<stew>koala: what do you mean by "doesn't work"?
15:35<koala>couldn't reac
15:36<koala>website is not responding
15:36<witte>koala: the site is reponding
15:36<koala>by debian paste I meant
15:36<koala>... I typed pastebin, sorry my bad
15:36<stew>koala: have you tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
15:37<witte>stew: that is how he got there :-)
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15:41<hjb>Hi. Are there any usable text mode browsers available fr debian?
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15:42<witte>hjb: elinks, (and i believe w3c is also a text based browser)
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15:42<hjb>witte i've tried elinks, but it was disappointing. Togehter with the (standard?) utf8 console under debian it displays a lot of garbage on the screen
15:43<stew>hjb: w3m, elinks, links, lynx
15:43<Xenguy>hjb: I generally use elinks myself; w3m is interesting too (but get ready for rather offbeat key-bindings :-)
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15:43<witte>hjb: i only use elinks/links only for damage control ;-)
15:43<haier>hi all
15:43<hjb>witte :-)
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15:47<hjb>Xenguy Hmm, w3m is the only one of those which correctly displays german Umlauts (and possibly other foreign characters)
15:47<hjb>Xenguy But the keybinding ... :-D
15:48<hjb>Xenguy I guess it's made for vi users?
15:48<Xenguy>hehe, probably worth the 'unique' key-bindings, tho, I agree
15:49<Xenguy>hjb: it's been awhile, I am a vim user for years, but I *still* remember w3m keys seeming weird :-)
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15:51<hjb>Xenguy: :-) Having to start it up in *visual* mode to actually see anything also indicates *some* intentional (?) relationship ;-)
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15:52<hjb>Oh, elinks also display foreign chars correctly :-) But not in it's own menus :-/
15:52<Xenguy>hjb: you are either the developer himself, or a religious w3m user, so either way I must be careful ;-)
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15:53<hjb>Xenguy Are there, actually, any known relegious w3m users out there? :-O
15:53<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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15:54<Xenguy>hjb: I think I knew one :-) He liked to use it to bring in graphics (go figure)
15:55<hjb>Xenguy Oh, than he was totally wrong. He should have used links2 :-) It supports graphics
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15:56<hjb>Xenguy But i don't like it, either. I instead would use firefoy or something for graphical browing experience ;-)
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15:57<Xenguy>hjb: yes I like iceweasel, and use that mostly, tho I'll still use elinks sometimes (e.g. to do an 'elinks -dump')
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16:02<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:02<zeon>erreur: wine ne fonctionne pas correctement, ils est peut etre mal install�...
16:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
16:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:03<dpkg>gr is probably for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el. General Resolution
16:03<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:03<witte>!tell hjb about selftell
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16:04<latenal>hello, xmms does not work. there's an error all the time: failed to open audio output. (debian 3.1r3, kde 3.3, alsa 1.2.10)
16:04<hjb>witte oh thanks
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16:04<hjb>witte just one more time....
16:04<hjb>!tell hjb about selftell
16:05<hjb>cool, it replaces my name with "yourself"
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16:05<hjb>that's advanced! :-)
16:05<cahoot>latenal: told xmms to use alsa output?
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16:06<cahoot>latenal: might also be artsd since you have kde
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16:06<adam_>Can I use cat6 cable in place of cat5e in a regular router (or does the router need to specify that it can use cat6?)
16:06<cahoot>latenal: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* might help to clarify
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16:08<latenal>cahoot: thanks, i'll try it
16:08<lupine_85>adam_: cat6 is fine
16:08<adam_>lupine_85, so it should be compatible with all the NICs I use it with, even with older ones?
16:08<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:08<zeon>erreur: wine ne fonctionne pas correctement, ils est peut etre mal install�...
16:08<adam_>lupine_85, okay, thanks
16:08<lupine_85>well, unless you try wiring into a BNC connecter
16:09<hjb>What's the "nick-o-meter" of dpkg good for?
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16:09<cahoot>harassing people
16:09<lupine_85>hjb: lets you know how lame you are
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16:10<hjb>Is beeing maore lame considered positive or negative?
16:10<hjb>Cool, so i'm 100.000% positive
16:11<hjb>Makes my day happy :-)
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16:11<witte>zeon: apt-get install --reinstall xwine
16:11<zeon>i have do it a lot of time
16:12<zeon>but always the same Problem
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16:13<zeon>he give me always the sale erreur message
16:13<hjb>zeon Please 'export LANG=C' and then start xwine again
16:13<hjb>zeon english error messages are understood by more people on this channel, i guess
16:14<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:14<zeon>erreur: wine ne fonctionne pas correctement, ils est peut etre mal install�...
16:14<zeon>debian:/home/realone# export LANG=C
16:14<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:14<zeon>Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
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16:14<zeon>i have give now the errore message
16:15<latenal>cahoot: there is artsd, but i don't get. xine works good with alsa
16:15<cahoot>latenal: tell xmms to use arts?
16:16<latenal>cahoot: no. how to do it?
16:16<zeon>alsa is a package?
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16:17<cahoot>latenal: long time since I used xmms but there is some config options in a menu somewhere
16:17<zeon>explain me plz
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16:18<latenal>cahoot: is there something better?))
16:18<Ryuw>salve a tutti
16:18<cahoot>latenal: I prefer to disable arts
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16:19<zeon>explain me what is the Problem now with this xwine plz
16:19<Ryuw>i hate ubuntu
16:19<cahoot>latenal: i e kde's sound server
16:19<hjb>Anyone knows why Gdk complains about LANG=C, LANG=POSIX as unsupported locales by c library?!?
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16:19<cahoot>Ryuw: I you feel the need to unload your sentiments - this is not the place
16:20<hjb>I believed they are the plain, unlocalized versions of all software
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16:20<Ryuw>project ubuntu is crazy
16:20<JasonS>Ryuw: then don't run it
16:20<Ryuw>ops sorry
16:21<cahoot>Ryuw: blog about it or whatever - don't dump your sorrow here
16:22<Ryuw>i love DebianKde stable
16:22<latenal>cahoot: emmm.. .i have a really rare sound card)) i used asp before, and there was another problem: sounds were queueed for playing))
16:23<cahoot>latenal: modern alsa *should* handle simultaneous multiple sound output
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16:23<cahoot>latenal: without any external 'sound server'
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16:24<cahoot>latenal: you can test that using multiple instances of f ex aplay
16:24<hjb>zeon Oh, i forgot: also "export LC_ALL=C" and then run xwine again
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16:25<zeon>i have do it
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16:26<munga_>using skype on debian sid I get a bus error ... am I the only one ?
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16:26<hjb>zeon you have executed both "export LANG=C" and "export LC_ALL=C" before "xwine"?
16:26<zeon>debian:/home/realone# export LC_ALL=C
16:26<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:26<zeon>error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it...
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16:27<zeon>debian:/home/realone# export LANG=C
16:27<zeon>debian:/home/realone# export LC_ALL=C
16:27<zeon>debian:/home/realone# xwine
16:27<zeon>error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it...
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16:27<witte>zeon: apt-get install wine
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16:27<witte> zeon: apt-get install wine
16:27<witte>zeon: and don't paste here
16:27<witte>!tell zeon about paste
16:28<zeon>the same thing
16:28<zeon>error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it...
16:28<hjb>zeon What happens if you run "wine" directly?
16:29<zeon>debian:/home/realone# wine
16:29<zeon>bash: wine: command not found
16:29<witte>zeon: apt-get install wine...
16:29<hjb>zeon "dpkg --list wine"
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16:30<zeon>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
16:30<zeon>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
16:30<zeon>||/ Name Version Description
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16:30<latenal>cahoot; i'm not an advanced user.. i think, it would be easier for me to make xmms play.. but there is no option with artsd..
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16:31<witte>zeon: are you an idiot, DON'T paste here
16:31<zeon>i have send link
16:31<zeon>don't say iddiot
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16:31<Robinayor_>zeon: retard
16:32<witte>zeon, it was the third time you got kicked, that should give you a clue ;-)
16:32|-|alsledig changed nick to mitsledig
16:32<hjb>zeon so, where's that link?
16:32[~]JasonS hits zeon with the clue bat ;)
16:32<cahoot>latenal: as I said I know little about xmms
16:33<latenal>cahoot: it's a pity
16:33<zeon>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
16:33<zeon>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
16:33<zeon>||/ Name Version Description
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16:33<witte>i can't believe it
16:34<witte>zeon: again?
16:34<zeon>! paste
16:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
16:34<JasonS>its not rocket science zeon heh
16:35<hjb>zeon you can also just paste the *last" line of dpkgs output ;-)
16:35<zeon>un wine <none> (no description available)
16:35<zeon>that is the last line
16:35<hjb>so, have you tried "apt-get install wine" ?
16:36<hjb>it seems not
16:36<Robinayor_>zeon: do you know what "paste" means?
16:36<JasonS>im guessing no
16:36<Robinayor_>zeon: so.. you're voting for g.w.bush?
16:37<zeon>E: Package wine has no installation candidate
16:37<Robinayor_>JasonS: :-)
16:38<zeon>hjb what is the Problem now
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16:38<witte>zeon: post your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin (NOT HERE)
16:39<hjb>zeon you didn't have the right lines in your sources.list
16:39<witte>zeon: why do you need xwine in the first place, is there no alternative you can use?
16:39<hjb>zeon probably there's just a contrib or non-free missing somewhere
16:40<hjb>zeon but just do what witte suggested :)
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16:40<witte>hjb: wine is in main
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16:40<hjb>witte sorry, i wasn't sure
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16:41<hjb>witte then he must have some strange archives listed in his sources.list
16:41<witte>hjb: i was thinking in the same direction
16:41<kop>How do I know if my usb stick is going bad? I tried this: and wierd stuff is happening. I've hardly used the stick. Am I doing something wrong? Can someone else reproduce my results?
16:41<kop>I'm running etch.
16:41<Supaplex>does k3b support lightscribe?
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16:42<witte>zeon: apt-get update;apt-get install wine
16:42<witte>zeon: your sources are correct as far as i can see
16:43<hjb>zeon your sources looks fine
16:43<hjb>oh, sorry for redundancy :-/
16:43<zeon>i'm a good one
16:43<hjb>witte wine *should* be in etch, shoudn't it?
16:44<witte>hjb: it is, i just checked the debian webpage
16:44<zeon>there is no wine package
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16:45<JasonS>zeon: in etch? there sure is
16:45<hjb>witte ok, so it *should* correctly install from his sources.list
16:45<hjb>zeon, that's strange
16:45<hjb>try switching mirrors?
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16:47<witte>hjb, zeon: just installed wine on etch, no problem
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16:48<zeon>but i can't
16:48<zeon>he say me
16:48<JasonS>zeon: errors?
16:48<hjb>witte have you used zeons sources?
16:48[~]JasonS holds on for the flood
16:48<zeon>there is any wine package
16:48<witte>hjb: no, i used my own sources
16:48<JasonS>he only has main listed
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16:48<hjb>JasonS witte says it's in main
16:48<JasonS>oops never mind
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16:49<hjb>witte zeon Maybe there's something wrong with the french mirrors?
16:49<witte>zeon: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list, maybe there is a problem with your mirror
16:49<witte>zeon: deb etch main non-free contrib
16:49<witte>zeon: that is a belgian server, not to far away ;-)
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16:51<zeon>i have addd the link and now i will see :)
16:51<hjb>zeon thumbs up!
16:52<witte>zeon: you have to update before you can install wine
16:52<zeon>i have do update
16:52<witte>zeon: apt-get update ;-)
16:53<zeon>i have do it
16:53<hjb>zeon does it install now?
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16:53<witte>same error?
16:53<zeon>ther is any package with the name of wine
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16:54<witte>zeon: well ,there is, and i just in stalled it from the same server ;-)
16:55<witte>zeon: do you have debian?
16:55<hjb>zeon what does "aptitude show wine" tells you?
16:55<mib>hi all here!
16:55<zeon>i have debian
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16:56<zeon>nothing With aptitude show wine
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16:56<hjb>zeon same error?
16:57<zeon>he say
16:57<zeon>no package with the name "wine"
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16:58<hjb>zeon try uncommenting all sources but the one from wille out of your sources.list
16:58<hjb>then run "apt-get update" again
16:58<hjb>zeon btw. you aren't low on disc space, are you?
16:59<witte>hjb: normally the french one should work as well, i can download the package from that mirror
16:59<hjb>witte ok...
16:59<hjb>witte then i'm stucked now :-(
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17:00<zeon>can some one found the sourceof wine
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17:00<hjb>zeon your source is alive
17:00<hjb>zeon there must be something wrong with your setup
17:00<zeon>wich setup?
17:01<JacobH>zeon: can you install any other programmes?
17:01<witte>zeon: i agree with hjb, your system is fucked up
17:01<hjb>JacobH good question
17:01<witte>zeon: apt-get install mg
17:01<zeon>i can
17:01<JacobH>I wonder whether it is a problem with his connection
17:01<zeon>install all thing
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17:02<hjb>JacobH You mean something like not the whole indicies of the archives are transferred correctly onto his machine=
17:02<brunner>Does anyone know how I can connect to an SSH server *through* a SOCKS5 proxy?
17:03<hjb>brunner i think i've read something about that in sshs manpage
17:03<JacobH>hjb: it was just a thought
17:03<brunner>I just read the man page for ssh
17:03<hjb>brunner sorry than
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17:04<brunner>I thought I've seen a windows client that can do it, or something
17:04<brunner>maybe WinSCP
17:04<mib>I'm not sure if this is the right place or should I ask for a help on a debian forum, but I would like to try ask here. I have a problem with an iptables module, e.g. I can't compile debian kernel 2.6.22 with iptables 1.3.8 and p-o-m because of this error "Unable to resolve dependency on linux/netfilter_ipv4/ip_conntrack.h"
17:04<hjb>brunner check ProxyCommand in man ssh_config
17:04<brunner>awesome, thanks
17:05<mib>...and really sorry for my English.
17:05<hjb>JacobH That was also the thought behind my "disc space" question :-/
17:05<zeon>i will se this Problem
17:06<hjb>zeon maybe it will solve itself, later :-)
17:06<hjb>zeon good luck, anyhow!
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17:06<zeon>hjb d u Ruby
17:07<hjb>zeon do you mean if i use Ruby?
17:07<Knorrie>in de gangkast zetten
17:07<Knorrie>ho wrong chan
17:07<zeon>i want to compile one script into debina
17:07<JacobH>hjb: ah, I see…sorry…mind was elsewhere
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17:07<hjb>I have used it for a course on web services using ruby on rails
17:07<zeon>i have run it in termina and give it 777
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17:07<hjb>zeon what happened?
17:08<Knorrie>mib: is ip_conntrack.h in the 2.6.22 source?
17:08<Knorrie>mib: 2.6.22 uses nf_conntrack
17:08<zeon>hjb i musst install the package for ruby i thing
17:08<hjb>JacobH np :)
17:09<hjb>zeon that's right :)
17:09<brunner>bingo. thanks all!
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17:09<zeon>wich one
17:09<hjb>zeon let's see...
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17:09<hjb>zeon plain "ruby" should do the trick
17:10<hjb>zeon it depends on the latest supported version
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17:15<hjb> gn8 all
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17:16<gidna>I want to recompile the kernel.. but i receive this
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17:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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17:24<Solar_Ecliptor>If I do, "apt-get install xfce4" and install xfce4, do I need to get rid of my current desktop enviroment (gnome)?
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17:25<stew>Solar_Ecliptor: /msg dpkg remove gnome
17:25<chealer>Solar_Ecliptor: no
17:26<stew>Solar_Ecliptor: what chealer said. i misread as "how do i get rid of"
17:26<stew>i'm doing too much of that. my head is still in 2007
17:27<Solar_Ecliptor>so how do I activate xfce then
17:30<lupine_85>using a display manager?
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17:32<adii>where can i get some help with language C ?
17:33<lupine_85>##c ?
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17:33<lupine_85>that one Freenode
17:33<Solar_Ecliptor>hmm, see I installed xfce but I dont know how to apply/activate it
17:33<adii>i'll go there :)
17:33<Solar_Ecliptor>everything still says gnome
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17:34<lupine_85>Solar_Ecliptor: exit your gnome session, select an XFCE session at your display manager, then login
17:35<southernc>anyone know how to fix this device-mapper: ioctl: device doesn't appear to be in the dev hash table.
17:35<Solar_Ecliptor>exit as in log out?
17:37<southernc>while trying top use crptsetup
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17:38<Guest1976>Soy nuevo en Linux, alguien que me pueda ayudar?
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17:40<chealer>stew: well, happy 2008 :)
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17:49<Bubbletoes>hey guys! I just installed 4.0 on my other machine, my cable modem is hooked up to my ehternet card. however, i cant get online. anyone got any suggestions for me? thx!
17:50<Maulkin>Bubbletoes: do you get an ip address from the cable modem?
17:51<Bubbletoes>yes, it looked that way when i looking in network tools
17:51<Bubbletoes>it showed me two interfaces, a loopback and eth0
17:51<Bubbletoes>but i dont know why it doesnt work
17:51<rockstar>Bubbletoes, what does `route` tell you?
17:51<Bubbletoes>eth0 showed to have an ip
17:51<rockstar>And what about the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
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17:52<Bubbletoes>Cant tell ya :( I'm at work right now . I just came seeking whatever advice i could get
17:52<Maulkin>Bubbletoes: Not without knowing that really I'm afraid
17:53<Bubbletoes>ok, Well I'll be back when i get home :o) Thanx alot guys
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17:56<rockstar>Bubbletoes, well, then here's what you do: (1) Check that eth0 has an IP address, (2) check that the default gateway is set up properly, and (3) make sure that the DNS servers are set up in /etc/resolv.conf
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18:26<hachi>on a debian testing machine I'm typing 'perl -Ilib t/[tab][tab][tab]' and bash isn't showing me possible completions of that line... 'ls t/[tab][tab][tab]' works fine to show the possible completionns
18:26<hachi>does anyone know why this is broken on debian?
18:27<twb>Why do you think it's broken?
18:27<twb>See /etc/bash_completions
18:27<hachi>because it's not showing possible expansions
18:27<hachi>#bash on freenode blamed the problem on the fact that I was using perl instead of python. So I'm going to ignore them.
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18:28<azeem>hachi: why should a file name follow after t/ in perl?
18:28<hachi>because they exist?
18:28<Supaplex>hachi: i'm suprised they didn't blame it on not using bash. ya know? :p hehehe that's just funny.
18:28<hachi>bash is somehow seeing the 'perl' on the start of the line and assuming something magical
18:29<twb>That's bash's job
18:29<hachi>oh really?
18:29<hachi>'ls -Ilib t/[tab][tab]' shows possible expansions
18:29<azeem>hachi: you could probably trick bash by doing t/<space><tab><esc-b><backspace>
18:30<hachi>'perl -Ilib t/[tab][tab]' fails to show possible expansions
18:30<hachi>so it's something magical
18:30<azeem>00:29 < twb> That's bash's job
18:30<azeem>hachi: you dislike magic?
18:30<hachi>I dislike broken magic
18:31<Supaplex>hachi: move it to the hex dump. that's where dicarded magic belongs. ;)
18:32<hachi>you know what
18:32<hachi>if you want to be helpful, I'll happily listen
18:32<hachi>but sarcasm isn't going to help at all, and I really don't want it right now
18:32<Supaplex>I'm sorry for trying to lighten your day.
18:32<hachi>#bash already ruined it for me
18:32<hachi>I went there with a valid question, simply asking what I can change to fix it
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18:38<twb>10:27 <twb> See /etc/bash_completions
18:38<twb>You already had your answer
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18:39<pakalolo>hello people
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18:43<hachi>yeah, I'm having fun reading all 9300 lines of that
18:43<adisbladis>Hi, im writing a shellscript atm, but i cant figure out how to use sed.. I am trying to find a way to split at the chars |~| in the string Winrar|~| to show just the url or just the application name. Is there any simple way of doing that?
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18:45<hachi>adisbladis: I wouldn't use sed myself
18:45<hachi>I'd use awk
18:45<hachi>awk -F '\|~\|' '{ print $2 }'
18:45<hachi>or $1 for the name
18:46<hachi>just... at this distance it looks more like an awk thing than a sed thing to me
18:47<witte>hachi: i would start reading around line 5163
18:47<adisbladis>nice, but how would i do to export that as a variable in the shellscript
18:48<blarson>I'd do cut -d~ -f2
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18:49<hachi>same way you capture any output into a variable
18:49<mikes1>Hello all,,Anyone got a fast lenny iso link please :)
18:49<blarson>oops, just noticed your delimeter was more than one char.
18:49<hachi>FOO=`awk -F '\|~\|' '{ print $2 }'`
18:49<stew>adisbladis: sed 's/\(.*\)|~|\(.*\)/\1/' change possibly change \1 to \2 for url instead of name to answer your original question
18:49<hachi>FOO=$(awk -F '\|~\|' '{ print $2 }')
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18:50<hachi>yeah... see how as a sed creation it turns into all this ignored capture and stuff. the awk version is more about fields and delimiters
18:50<mikes1>D/loading lenny kde iso but very slow 8hrs
18:50<hachi>it really depends on which style the source data actually is
18:50<chealer>mikes1: which one do you use?
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18:51<stew>rafael: do you have a question?
18:51<rafael>with nm-applet
18:51<stew>rafael: if you have a question, just ask it
18:51<mikes1>Just the default 'testing" i386 chealer
18:51<rafael>it don't start at boot and it forget the passwords
18:52<blarson>!tell rafael about ask
18:52<chealer>mikes1: what's the URL?
18:52<rafael>i cant start it directly with alt + f2
18:52<rafael>i need gksu for that
18:52<stew>rafael: why do you need gksu?
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18:52<pakalolo>hello guys, i have a wireless connection working fine, but gnome don't finds it
18:53<stew>rafael: add yourself to the 'netdev' group so that it doesn't require root privileges
18:53<pakalolo>ie already installed gnome-network-manager, but nothing]
18:53<chealer>mikes1: did you try ?
18:53<mikes1>chealer, will try it ,,:)
18:54<pakalolo>it says theres no connection, but i'm connected
18:54<adisbladis>hachi: thanks
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18:55<adisbladis>hachi: i will use awk instead of sed
18:55<adisbladis>seems much simpler
18:55<witte>pakalolo: but you can access the internet?
18:55<hachi>in this case, perhaps... it's really your decision :)
18:55<pakalolo>witte: yes
18:55<witte>pakalolo: why do you need gnome to be aware of it?
18:56<azeem>pakalolo: did you configure the wireless in /etc/network/interfaces?
18:57<rafael>i have keyring installed
18:57<adisbladis>hachi: could you help me make one with a description too?
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18:57<adisbladis>like this: Winrar|~|A gui app for rar files|~|
18:57<hachi>same form as mine
18:57<hachi>$1 $2 and $3
18:57<hachi>the $num picks which field you want
18:58<pakalolo>witte: i want everything to be ok
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18:58<pakalolo>azeem: yes, it's working perfectly
18:59<azeem>pakalolo: that's it, gnome ignores interfaces you configure that way
18:59<pakalolo>but gnome can't find it
18:59<azeem>remove it from /e/n/i and restart n-m
18:59<pakalolo>azeem: how do i restart it?
19:00<azeem>"/etc/init.d/dbus restart" does it for sure
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19:00<pakalolo>azeem: won't this scramble my network configuration?
19:01<azeem>pakalolo: so what do you want?
19:01<azeem>you can't have it both ways
19:01<pakalolo>hm.. ok i get it
19:03<azeem>pakalolo: don't erase the wlan configuration, just comment it out by putting # at the beginning of the lines
19:03<azeem>that way you can revert if n-m does not work properly for some reason
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19:07<pakalolo>i thought gnome looks for my available connections, whatever they be
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19:11<Aaron001>Would anyone have any advice of what release of debian I should download for running a basic server off of?
19:12<Aaron001>should i get the netinst stable?
19:12<azeem>sounds ok
19:12<pakalolo>azeem: none available connections were found
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19:13<azeem>pakalolo: did you left-click on the icon? Are there no wlans shown?
19:13<pakalolo>none shown
19:14<azeem>and right-click on the icon shows that the wireless connection is activated?
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19:14<Aaron001>Also I'm not sure which one to download. The current computer I'm going to install it on is an Intel Pentium D 3.00 GHz, so which particular one do I download. (
19:14<Sewage>Hello, I've been wondering if there are any guides for debian on proper way to configure (apache2) server
19:15<gsimmons>!tell Sewage -about apache2
19:15<azeem>Aaron001: you can choose between i386 or amd64 I guess
19:15<Aaron001>Its an intel machine...why would I download amd64?
19:15<pakalolo>azeem: none appears... i think i'll not worry with this, i'm connected anyway
19:16<azeem>Aaron001: because
19:16<azeem>Aaron001: depends on what you want to do - if you need flash or other binary-only stuff not available in 64bit, use i386; if you need to handle lots of RAM, use amd64
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19:16<Aaron001>So let me ask, would there be any drawback to using amd64bit instead of i386?
19:16<Sewage>I'll go checkout that Readme.debian file then, thanks
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19:17<azeem>Aaron001: I just said
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19:17<Aaron001>So what stuff might apply to me that is available in only 32-bit?
19:18<azeem>how do I know?
19:18<Aaron001>Good point.
19:19<azeem>if you don't plan to run any binary-only drivers or software, you can probably safely choose amd64
19:19<Aaron001>Well basically I'm going to get more familiar than I already am with linux in general, and then start experimenting with VMware if that gives you any more perspective on what I'm trying to do.
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19:20<mzilikazi>epiphany-gecko 2.20.2-1 on Sid - greasemonkey is enabled in preferences but there is no configuration dialog - anyone else seeing the same problem?
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19:46<adisbladis>Hi, as i previously said im writing a shellscript, but i cant seem to set a variable from a command, so if i wanted to set the output from the command "cat $appdb | grep -i $package | awk -F '\|~\|' '{ print $3 }'" as a variable, how would i do that?
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20:14<shardz_ez>what do i do to get an updated system log type thingy
20:14<shardz_ez>in a xterm
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20:15<simonrvn>less +F /var/log/yourlogfile
20:15<simonrvn>easy, eh?
20:15<shardz_ez>what would be yourlogfile?
20:16<shardz_ez>it creates a file from system messages?
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20:18<Supaplex>shardz_ez: yourlogfile is not a literal. cd /var/log ; ls
20:19<shardz_ez>yeah, was just looking, i just meant which one to use :)
20:19<shardz_ez>syslog i guess
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20:21<shardz_ez>i want to watch my ports and stuff
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20:47<Supaplex>argggg.. time to figure out why RT is not able to save messages. *sigh*
20:47<mav>my sound wont play in mozilla
20:47<jello>Supaplex: out of disk space ?
20:48<jello>mav: only in mozilla?
20:48<mav>i cant find an option in preferences
20:48<jello>don't think there is one
20:48<jello>although i'm not an expert on that
20:49<simonrvn>iceaperc, etc.
20:49<mav>doesnt work in epiphany either
20:50<mav>though fine in totem/mplayer/xine etc
20:51<Supaplex>how odd. Can't find for OID 0[Thu Jan 3 01:57:06 2008] [crit]: RT::Attachment->Create couldn't, as you didn't specify a transaction
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20:52<Supaplex>jello: nawe. 8gb+ free
20:53<Supaplex>nearly 1gb of free ram.
20:53<Supaplex>nearly dead idle cpus.
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21:08<jello>!greet H4yk0
21:08<dpkg>Wassup, H4yk0
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21:12<adisbladis>I am still wondering how to get a commands output into a variabel
21:13<adisbladis>i mean variable ofcourse
21:13<adisbladis>if i try foo="ls" ls becomes the variable
21:14<jello>adisbladis: try FOO=`uname -a`; echo $FOO
21:14<jello>note the type of quotes used
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21:16<adisbladis>jello: does not work with this command, cat $appdb | grep -i $package | awk -F '\|~\|' '{ print $3 }'
21:17<jello>adisbladis: try FOO=$( ... ); echo $FOO
21:20<adisbladis>not that either, just gives blank output
21:21<jello>adisbladis: what are you trying to do anyway?
21:22<blarson>adisbladis: You have a useless use of cat, but that's not a major problem.
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21:22<adisbladis>parsing a small plain-text database and download a file from that output
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21:24<dpkg>logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/
21:24<dpkg>shardz_ez netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port
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21:25<jello>shardz_ez: no need to spam the channel, just pm the bot
21:26<jello>adisbladis: try it without the awk part, does it work?
21:27<adisbladis>jello: yep
21:27<jello>ok, so your awk is bad somehow...
21:27<istoc>What's the difference between when if-up.d and if-pre-up.d?
21:27<jello>the pipes are probably the culprit
21:27<jello>istoc: pre-up is run before the interface comes up
21:28<istoc>So if they don't come up if-up.d won't be run?
21:28<jello>iirc, yes
21:28<jello>check interfaces(5) or ipup(8) to be sure
21:29<istoc>Ok, thanks
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21:36<rockstar>I just installed a new debian machine, and I have dynamic DNS set up on the network. How can I get this debian machine to register it's hostname with the DNS server?
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21:36<witte>rockstar: i think this is up to the DNS server
21:37<witte>rockstar: is this an isp or a machine you maintain yourself
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21:42<twb>rockstar: aptitude search ~ddyndns
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21:43<twb>rockstar: any of the following will do: ddclient ddns3-client ez-ipupdate inadyn ipcheck
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21:44<rockstar>No, it's not dyndns. It's bind and dhcp on another Debian box. I want it so that I can ping the system on my lan by its name.
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21:44<twb>Then you need to run a local DNS server.
21:44<rockstar>The ubuntu boxes, the macs, and even the Wii all update DNS.
21:44<twb>Oh, I see what you're saying
21:44<jello>it's probably some option in your dhcp client...
21:44<jello>which one are you using?
21:44<rockstar>twb, I AM running a local DNS server, bind. It's working on all the other boxes right now, just not the new debian box.
21:44<twb>You want your Debian DHCP *client* to tell the DNS server it's hostname.
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21:44<rockstar>jello, I'm using bind and ISC dhcpd right out of etch's repos
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21:45<rockstar>twb, essactly
21:45<twb>English, please.
21:45<jello>rockstar: no, the client -- not the server
21:45<jello>rockstar: are you using pump? dhclient?
21:45<twb>rockstar: in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
21:45<twb>rockstar: add `send host-name "henrietta";' or similar
21:46<rockstar>Ah, I see it. Thanks!
21:46<twb>And next time, describe the problem more precisely :-)
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21:48<Supaplex>gah. antiquated procedural perl. %*@$(
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21:56[~]dpkg waves at to Delia
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22:24<Golfgeo>Hi all
22:24<jello>!greet Golfgeo
22:24<dpkg>Moo, Golfgeo
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22:24<Golfgeo>Got a question: Is there a dummy ethernet device on linux?
22:25<jello>what are you trying to do?
22:25<Supaplex>Golfgeo: yup.
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22:25<Golfgeo>Supaplex, do you know its name?
22:26<Supaplex>yup, dummy0 and up.
22:26<Supaplex>modinfo dummy
22:26<Golfgeo>Supaplex, great. Thanks mate
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22:30<lucas_amorim>hello, how do I use the command update-alternatives to set java from gnu's to sun java?
22:30<lucas_amorim>both are installed
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22:30<Supaplex>there's no man page?
22:31<lucas_amorim>yes there is, but i couldn't figure out
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22:31<Supaplex>looking ...
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22:32<witte>lucas_amorim: update-alternatives --config java
22:32<lucas_amorim>witte: thanks
22:33<lucas_amorim>I have tried this way: update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
22:33<lucas_amorim>will it work?
22:34<witte>lucas_amorim: could be, never used the set flag, but if you do ls -al /etc/alternatives/java, you will see ;-)
22:34<lucas_amorim>witte: it worked, thanks!
22:34<witte>lucas_amorim: config gives a sort of a menu, which i find easier
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22:35<lucas_amorim>yeah. I will remember that next time ;)
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22:55<Wizbang>hey guys
22:55<Wizbang>i just installed debian on my other machine
22:55<Wizbang>however it doesnt usemy ethernet card connected to my cable modem to get online
22:55<Wizbang>anyone have an idea? :(
22:56<Supaplex>Wizbang: which release are you working with?
22:56<Wizbang>4.0 etch
22:57<witte>Wizbang: do you have an ip? (do /sbin/ifconfig in a console)
22:57<Wizbang>everything it lists under eth0 looks fine
22:57<Supaplex>does route -an check out?
22:58<Wizbang>what should it say?
22:58<Supaplex>nnnnice, A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started.
22:58<Supaplex>Wizbang: can you ping the router?
22:59<Wizbang>i'm not using a router
22:59<Supaplex>oops, I mean, route -n
22:59<Wizbang>i can try it
22:59<Wizbang>i will hafta disconnect because i'm not using a router
22:59<Supaplex>it's what your isp will forward packets from
23:00<Wizbang>oh ok
23:00<Wizbang>i'll try this and brb
23:00<Supaplex>eg, route -n | grep ^
23:01<Wizbang>aight brb
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23:07<Wizbang>i tried those commands you gave me
23:07<Supaplex>any results? none means you have no default route (not path to the global internet)
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23:08<Wizbang>for route -n...
23:08<Wizbang>my gateway is
23:08<Wizbang>my interface being eth0
23:09<Wizbang>do you guys have people in here with problems like this often?
23:10<Supaplex>Wizbang: the only problematic issue here is, proper setup. you set it up correctly, and it works.
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23:11<Supaplex>see column 2 on line 4? ip.ip.ip.194? That's my default route
23:11<Supaplex>I asked for | grep ^ and yes, the ^ is significant.
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23:12<Supaplex>it would produce something simliar to line 4 (the router for your default route would be in column 2)
23:13<Supaplex>Wizbang: are you using dhcp?
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23:14<Supaplex>compare /etc/network/interfaces between machines
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23:15<Wizbang>it says:
23:15<Wizbang>auto lo
23:15<Wizbang>if i change that to eth0....
23:15<Wizbang>might that solve my problem?
23:17<Supaplex>add auto eth0. leave auto lo alone.
23:17<Supaplex>man 5 interfaces for detailed background on that config file
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23:19<Wizbang>so do i need to reboot for those changes to take effect?
23:20<kmap_lab>Could someone please tell me where I add the configurations for /sbin/route to occur at startup?
23:20<kmap_lab>I mean, I've tested /sbin/route to work, how do I make the changes occur st startup?
23:21<pretender84>how can I setup debian to share my dial up connection with users on my lan?
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23:21<pretender84>I've got DHCP and DNS working, I just need to know how to forward
23:22<jhford>does anyone know how to get the NVidia proprietary driver to not keep the GPU fan at 100% all the time?
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23:22<pretender84>will this work?
23:22<Supaplex>kmap_lab: /etc/networking/interfaces too opague for your needs?
23:22<dpkg>Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages.
23:23<kmap_lab>Supaplex: I see. Thanks. I'll check it out in detail
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23:25<Supaplex>kmap_lab: if you only need one router, interfaces should be just fine. It might support multiple routers, but I don't recall testing that recently.
23:25<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Should be. I'll check it out
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23:34<ceppy>Where is this ?
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23:36<Supaplex>cjmrdc: huh? this what?
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23:37<Supaplex>cjmrdc: misdirect, nm
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23:39<istoc>Is dhcp3-server the most used DHCP server?
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23:39<Supaplex>istoc: it's widely used and very confirurable.
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23:40<istoc>Supaplex, sounds good, thanks
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23:48<Supaplex>er configurable, but you knew that.
23:48[~]Supaplex larts his buggy kvm
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