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00:04<veo^^>Hi, i got preinstalled debian on my remote server and language used is french for all software, any ideas to change it back to english permanently (without have to use "export LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1" all the time)
00:05<kmap_lab>veo^^: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:05<kmap_lab>veo^^: And ensure that you choose the default locale properly there.
00:05<veo^^>did it
00:05<veo^^>restarted, nothing
00:06<kmap_lab>veo^^: I see...
00:06<veo^^>that's why i came here :)
00:06<kmap_lab>veo^^: Did you try not generating the French locale at all?
00:07<veo^^>yeah but got some errors after that
00:08<kmap_lab>veo^^: What were the errors?
00:08<azeem>veo^^: check /etc/environment maybe
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00:09<veo^^>some perl setting locale failed and cant set LC_CTYPE/MESSAGES/ALL to default locales
00:09<kmap_lab>veo^^: That is a warning, I presume...
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00:11<veo^^>just like to know where i change the language setting manually to put it to en_US once for all
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00:12<Supaplex>in /etc/environment or /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc
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00:13<veo^^>seems it's there :)
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00:14<javo>this week a friend teached me the goods of using the mid-button mouse for copypasting,,, i never noted before... that is an amazing function !! :D
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00:15<Xenguy>javo: you can do it on the command-line using Shift-Insert also
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00:16<javo>yes, but the idea of selecting some text and after pasting everywere just with the middle button... its incredible !
00:17<Supaplex>no eatting any paste!
00:17<Xenguy>javo: I agree, that's the X clipboard for ya :-)
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00:19<niru>I am getting an eoor as
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00:19<niru>no kernel modules were found
00:19<niru>probabily tehre is a mismatch between archive kernel and the installer kernel
00:19<niru>what could be the reason
00:20<Supaplex>niru: what's uname -r say?
00:20<niru>Supaplex, uname -r
00:20<niru>is 2.6.22-3-486
00:20<niru>this error I get while installing from a cd
00:21<Supaplex>after debian is installed? durring install?
00:21<Supaplex>of debian...
00:22<niru>Supaplex, during instllation
00:22<niru>after checking for cdrom
00:22<Supaplex>any reason you're not using the stable release?
00:22<niru>Supaplex, yes trying out something
00:23<Supaplex>okay. if you're patient with #debian-boot, you should get an answer eventually.
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00:24<niru>Supaplex, ok but can you tell me what could be the reason of getting such an error
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00:24<niru>Supaplex, may be I myself can solve it
00:24<test1-pidgin>hi all
00:24<niru>Supaplex, is it problem with the udebs
00:24<niru>hi test1-pidgin
00:25<test1-pidgin>i have a linux server based on Debian 40r1 but i have a problem
00:25<niru>test1-pidgin, whats that
00:25<test1-pidgin>its clock worked incorrectly
00:25<niru>test1-pidgin, why don't you installntp-simple
00:26<niru>for setting the clock-time correct
00:26<niru>I think thats missing
00:26<test1-pidgin>its time is slow that real time and almost every 1 week it remain about 30 minutes before the real time :-(
00:26<Supaplex>test1-pidgin: you could install ntpd
00:26<niru>test1-pidgin, please install ntp-simple
00:26<niru>Supaplex, even ntp-simple will do I hope
00:26<Supaplex>hopefully :)
00:26<Supaplex>I don't see why not.
00:27<niru>Supaplex, tell me the reason of getting such an error
00:27<Supaplex>niru: but no, I'm not sure.
00:27<javo>will kde4 be added to lenny after their release next week ?
00:27<Supaplex>javo: not unless it's atleast in sid for a while
00:27<niru>Supaplex, any idea
00:28<test1-pidgin>Supaplex, 1 week ago when i found this problem , i installed ntp package but
00:28<test1-pidgin>this problem exists now
00:28<Supaplex>niru: uhm, what was my last reply?
00:28<niru>Supaplex, I know
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00:29<niru>Supaplex, but at least any clue that I can get to start with
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00:30<Supaplex>niru: I don't know how udebs are made, but it sounds like the kernel package bothced it.
00:30<Supaplex>!custom netinst
00:30<dpkg>well, custom netinst is or or or or see <sarge uni>
00:30<Supaplex>study that, maybe you can isolate it
00:30<Supaplex>now for dinner.
00:31<test1-pidgin>niru, i installed ntp but not ntp-simple
00:31<test1-pidgin>niru, the synaptic says about ntp-simple that: This package is a transition package
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00:31<gsimmons>test1-pidgin: 'ntp-simple' is a transitional package to 'ntp' on Etch, don't worry about it.
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00:33<test1-pidgin>if i install ntp only without any configuration, it will maintain the clock of system correctly or i must do some setting for ntp manually ?
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00:35<gsimmons>test1-pidgin: The 'ntp' package installs a default configuration which synchronises with See /etc/ntp.conf and /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz.
00:36<gsimmons>test1-pidgin: If you have a local time source, you can adjust ntpd's configuration to use that instead.
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00:43<test1-pidgin>gsimmons, why my clock of computer itself remain before real time ?!!
00:44<gsimmons>test1-pidgin: Sorry, I don't understand your question.
00:44<test1-pidgin>gsimmons, this server's hardware is compaq proliant DL380GL 2 dual-core xeon
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00:46<test1-pidgin>gsimmons, my problem was that the clock of my server is slow that real clock and its clock is about 35 minutes before real time, while i set it to real time about 1 week ago
00:46<test1-pidgin>now, i reastarted ntpd and opened the udp port 123 from firewall, and its clock changed to real time
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01:23<Corrine>anybody know of a utility for converting itunes files into something usable?
01:23<Corrine>without shredding the quality
01:24<Xenguy>Corrine: you want to circumvent the DRM you mean?
01:24<Corrine>No, I want to play them on my portable music player
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01:26<Corrine>my best bet seems to be to use flac... big waste of storage when I'll have the compressed quality anyway though
01:26<chump_>hey guys i'm looking for some tips on how to pretty up my terminal experience while i'm in X, I use terminal for most everything i do
01:26<Xenguy>Corrine: apt-cache show hymn
01:27<Corrine>try vigor for when you're using vi
01:27<Substrata>itune can convert aac to mp3 I think?. I don't think there's any way to convert aac to anything else without losing some quality
01:28<DaCapn>anyone happen to have done this: with lenny? I've done it with etch but I needed lenny for my setup because of my sata disks. It's 64-bit also, after formatting the encrypted filesystem I couldn't open the root partition. On the debian install I loaded the 'aes-x86_64' module but in the ubuntu session I loaded just 'aes' could these modules be different or just named differently?
01:28<Substrata>flac is lossless I think
01:29<Supaplex>hence the l in flac
01:29<Corrine>it is yes, it's also huge, and my player only has 8 gigs
01:29<Corrine>(I cannot belive I just said 'only 8 gigs'...)
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01:32<Supaplex>what, you don't want to encapsulate your raw 32bit 32channel wav with 18 generations deep in mime-encoding?
01:32<Supaplex>everyone's doing it
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01:32<Corrine>Oh no, I do that too
01:32<debnoob>Hi debian friends
01:32<debnoob>it's almost a great day
01:33<Corrine>but these are already compressed, and since I can't buy the album (It does not actually exist) I'm never going to get full quality anyway
01:33<Substrata>you could probably convert from aac to flac, and from flac to whatever other compressed format without losing quality
01:33<Corrine>gonna try this hymn thing
01:34<debnoob>Have a real noob question for you, what are all those dpkg's in the title of the room?
01:35<DaCapn>you sent a private message to the bot whos nickname is dpkg
01:35<DaCapn>and it responds to those commands in some way
01:35<debnoob>ah, neet
01:36<debnoob>dpkg kicked me yesterday for accidentallyflooding the channel
01:36<debnoob>nice bot
01:36<Supaplex>oh title. you mean topic. deh, /title no work. hah
01:38<debnoob>well I am obviously here with a few questions to solve the last of my issues. I have almost everythign set up that I want, except a couple of MAJOR items that are giving me trouble. Anyone here familiar with NTFS and gnome?
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01:38<Supaplex>they're related?
01:39<debnoob>n not really but I want to mount and view my ntfs partition from my gnome account and I want to use the more reliable ntfs project to do it if possible
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01:40<debnoob>there is a computer applet that displays my drives, and I like it very much, but it displays my second HDD (THE NTFS ONE) as unmountable.
01:40<Supaplex>kernel ntfs is pretty stable for read-only, otherwise ntfs-3g for r/w
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01:41<debnoob>is ntfs-3g reliable?
01:41<Corrine>looks like hymn only strps the drm an some of the metadata
01:42<debnoob>I think I only want to read anyway but I noticed that the kernal version of ntfs did not appear in my listing of supported filesystems
01:42<cjmrdc>supaplex, i'll have you know i had this window scrolled up and didn't know it, and it was on a conversation you had 2 days ago where you told someone they should be using kernel 2.6, and i thought you were having the same conversation today, sad that the screen didn't move for 2 days and i didn't notice
01:42<debnoob>so I tried installing ntfs-3g
01:43<Supaplex>cjmrdc: hehe interesting.
01:43<Supaplex>debnoob: if it's not listed in /proc/filesystems you'll have to either load the module, or use mount -t <something>
01:43<debnoob>I am not sure what method I am now using, I'v installed so much and tried so many things to get it working in the past week or so
01:44<debnoob>that was it, originally it was not listed in /proc/filesystems now I'm using Fuse
01:45<debnoob>and despite my efforts to make it mount in my user on demand, I was unsuccesful
01:45<Supaplex>debnoob: grep ntfs /etc/fstab and paste it to
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01:48<Supaplex>paste use the new url
01:48<Supaplex>paste us the new url
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01:50<debnoob>at the moment it mounted at boot, or the first time. and due to all the permissions changes I made it's accessile to my user, but I know I'm doing this wrong
01:50<Supaplex>ntfs-fuse should be ntfs-3g I believe
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01:50<debnoob>All I really want, if possible, is to access the folder from the computer applet on my desktop that lists the drive
01:52<debnoob>as I mentioned it is mounted with ntfs-fuse but I can't figure out how to make it work in the computer folder on my desktop. It shows my drive as always but does not allow me to browse it.
01:52<Supaplex>I know little about that, but if that's the case, I don't think it belong in fstab. I think you'll need permissions on the block device
01:52<debnoob>should I use ntfs-3g for that?
01:52<Supaplex>!tell debnoob -about ntfs-3g
01:52<debnoob>ok, how do I accomplish that?
01:52<Supaplex>I'm more accustom to persistant mounts, or doing it by hand on demand.
01:52<Supaplex>read what dpkg said to you
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01:53<debnoob>I did, I'm usig etch and not sure what a backport is
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01:53<chump_>denoob are you trying to read or write to the drive?
01:53<Supaplex>!tell debnoob -about backport
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01:54<debnoob>Read should be sufficient but i possible I would like to be able to open from the computer applet on my desktop
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01:54<debnoob>thanks Supaplex
01:54<chump_>i don't know what you mean by applet but if you were to just need one or two files off it you can do a cp /Full/path/to/file
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01:55<chump_>if you want to figure out the full path to file as root do a ls /mnt/NTFSDRIVE
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01:55<debnoob>well, in gnoe, what do you call that icon on the deskop called computer that contains all my drives
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01:56<chump_>i don't know i just didn't know what applet means wasn't saying you were wrong just i didn't know what you were talking about
01:56<Supaplex>I don't use gnome, and i'm only vagely aware of how that filesystem browser functions. I've only used it a few times.
01:57<debnoob>i'm sorry I call that an appelet a mini app
01:57<debnoob>I see. are you using KDE ?
01:58<chump_>i'm using gnome
01:58<debnoob>I am just building my first debian system and got everything else working by myself and waned to play with a couple of more things before I commit to debian
01:58<chump_>i think its clearner
01:58<chump_>that and i'm too lazy to install more then i need
01:58<debnoob>dunno, I kinda like the kicker in kde but am using gnome at the moment cuz I haven't lookd into changing to KDE yet.
01:59<chump_>thats pretty impressive i know when i first started if i didn't have someone showing me everything i would have gotten lost setting stuff up
01:59<debnoob>fortunately I got all my equipment to wor except my webcam that seems not supported
02:00<chump_>i have found that constantly with laptop features mostly
02:00<debnoob>thanks for the compliment. I do lots of reading before bothering my busy friends here
02:00<Supaplex>I think it is part of nautilus
02:00<debnoob>todays laptops often have a digital usb cam and thats a little easier
02:01<debnoob>so you think nautilus might contol thos icons?
02:01<chump_>i'm more of the dive head first trial by fire kinda person
02:01<chump_>i think supaplex is right
02:01<Supaplex>I'm using flwm. /bin/sh + xterm is my file manager. ;-)
02:02<Supaplex>!+info flwm etch
02:02<debnoob>when I click my drive when it's not mounted, it now mounts. but when it's mounted and I click it or select browse it says drive already mounted and offers me an option to force
02:02<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
02:02<dpkg>flwm: (Fast Light Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.02-1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 152 kB
02:02<Supaplex>and libflwm* is like 1.1mb
02:02<debnoob>I tend to do that too
02:02<chump_>thats pretty bad ass supaplex
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02:03<chump_>debnoob are the icons set up to run a command when you click on them?
02:03<Supaplex>it's not like I can't throw cpu or memory at it. I have 4GB ram and 2 cores at 5000+ bogomips. :)
02:03<chump_>why don't you jsut have Fstab mount them and then just point the folders to the mount points?
02:03<debnoob>right now I'm compiling a list of required installs, and instructions so I can wipe this puppy clean and install it right
02:03<debnoob>I know I have too many packages installed
02:04<chump_>yeah I tend to install too much crap alot just playing with stuff
02:04<debnoob>I hadlots of trouble with fusion and copiz-fusion
02:04<debnoob>I'm trying to make asecure reliable box to work on.
02:05<debnoob>I even installed Virtualbox to play with my windows
02:05<debnoob>for those odd apps I might need until I can find a linux equiv
02:06<debnoob>not sure how to manage that particular folder
02:06<debnoob>can't locate where it's configured
02:06<chump_>you might want to check out Xen i've never played with virtualbox but xen is pretty nice and easy
02:07<chump_>i run VMware because i run windows at work also
02:07<chump_>and its nice to beable to build vm's here and then take them to work
02:07<debnoob>I was searching for something else when I came accross Virtualbox, it's real nice and I already got win 2k installed in it
02:08<Supaplex>ewps. /usr/local/sbin has real copies of what was in /backup/sbin (and should only have a symlink). No wonder this got confused. *whew*
02:08<debnoob>I hear it's better than VMW and Xen, easy to install and setup too
02:09<Supaplex>better is relative. xen isn't very user friendly, but it blows the other two away in performance
02:09<chump_>i'm installing it now
02:09<chump_>supaplex what happeded?
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02:10<debnoob>not so sure about that I was playing an online game in mine yesterday
02:10<chump_>i'm always down to try new software
02:10<debnoob>it can be fun, I just gotta try not to install too much.. then not know what to remove
02:11<chump_>hey do you guys know if i can just have the icon bar at the bottom look like mac's w/o haveing beryl or compiz installed?
02:11<Supaplex>chump_: oh, my issue? I have my backup scripts under svn control, but the files in /usr/local/sbin for them should never be real copies. they need to be network copys so they're unable to run if that nfs mount is gone. (prevents backups from flooding the local box when it belongs on nfs). it also keeps the whole network in one consistant release when I update it.
02:12<chump_>how did they become real copies?
02:12<Supaplex>I think I replaced them by mistake. I usually use rsync -avP --delete here/ there/
02:12<debnoob>guess I can live with the present mount for the moment
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02:14<debnoob>can someone tell me what is safe to remove if I'm using fuse ? I have installed libntfs-3g0 libntfs9 libparted1.7-1 and ntfsprogs and ntfsdoc which I am not sure how to view
02:14<chump_>you want to remove those packages?
02:15<chump_>well don't do that next time supaplex :)
02:16<Supaplex>chump_: oh, okay. ;)
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02:16<debnoob>well some of them I am not using 3g but I will read more of the ntfs project to figure out if it's more reliable than fuse
02:16<debnoob>question of the day, what IRC app are you using?
02:16<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
02:17<Supaplex>that and screen
02:17<chump_>don't worry about it, i did a huge boo boo at work today i took away the associations for .exe's on our server today so it was erroring left and right
02:17<chump_>supaplex turned me onto Irssi its pimp
02:18<Supaplex>haha. nice
02:18<debnoob>don't laugh, I'm using gaim
02:18<chump_>i was using pidgin yesterday
02:18<chump_>same same
02:19<debnoob>but got amsn for an msn client so I can use my cam
02:19<Corrine>ver seen it installed on a system that had been relying on mcaffee of avg and not pick up a virus
02:19<Corrine>er, wrong chan
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02:21<Supaplex>~confuse Corrine
02:21<dpkg>Yes, how is their pineapple yesterday, Corrine? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies
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02:22<Corrine>pinnapple on pizza ia an abomination
02:22<Supaplex>only if it's uneatten
02:22<chump_>oh dude SO wrong pineapple + ham hey a gay guy might have made it but its delicious
02:23<debnoob>or a hawaiian
02:23<Corrine>no, a gay guy did the whole slice of pinapple instead of chunks deal
02:23<debnoob>lol came up with the center ring huh
02:24<chump_>denoob that line is from 2 and a half men. makes me laugh everytime someone brings up pineapple on pizza
02:24[~]Supaplex is blissfully unaware
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02:24<chump_>i use that lineall the time supaplex can't hide behind ignorance
02:25<chump_>you're far too smart for that
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02:26<Supaplex>I try to be that good LDS boy you never hear about. (even if I momentarily slide once in a while)
02:26<chump_>do you guys know if irrsi can handle channels that run Fserve?
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02:26<Supaplex>like dcc file transfers?
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02:27<Supaplex>try /help dcc
02:27<debnoob>Hmmmm gotta try that with gaim see what it can handle
02:27<chump_>do you mean LSD boy?
02:27<chump_>gaim sucks at handling many dcc transfers
02:27<chump_>i couldn't get it to auto accept
02:27<debnoob>don't need many
02:28<debnoob>not too worried, I bit torrent most of the time
02:28<chump_>i hate it because i have to be near the computer when i download things
02:28<debnoob>I must admit I miss mirc
02:29<chump_>Mirc is the best
02:29<chump_> it might run under wine
02:29<chump_>i haven't looked
02:29[~]Supaplex hides away from that evil Kahledware
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02:29<chump_>supaplex i shoudl have known what LDS stood for but i'm an idiot
02:30<Supaplex>chump_: I was born an idiot. anyone can grow out of it :)
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02:31<chump_>yeah but i'm kinda partial to being able to walk blindly through this world, makes me worry less about the future
02:31<Supaplex>huzzah for svn. now this script finally works.
02:32<Supaplex>chump_: yea, it's like finding a news source that's less than 50% negative/critical/gloom+doom
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02:34<debnoob>you mean a news souce thats loosing money because it's not sensational enough?
02:34<Supaplex>sure, add that to the list too.
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02:37<chump_>thats why i get all my news blindly from CNN
02:37<chump_>and FOX
02:37<chump_>the only people in news you can trust their promos even say so
02:38<Supaplex>~poke chump_
02:38[~]dpkg pokes chump_ with a cattle prod
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02:38<chump_>nah i'm not really into the news too often if i do watch it its the daily show because john stewart is amazing
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02:39<chump_>do you guys know if Firefox has a memory leak of some sort?
02:40<dondelelcaro>chump_: it has some, but the vast majority of its problems are that it just uses large amounts of memory
02:41<Supaplex>I had 80 tabs open once. that ... was urm.. fun :-D
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02:44<debnoob>not sure this debian came with iceweasel and evolution
02:44<stew>heh, now ps just tells me that firefox-bin has been running since "2007"
02:44<debnoob>my iceweasel is buggy, always kicking me out just when I'm about to do something useful
02:45<debnoob>fortunately it remebers the multiple sessions I have open and can resume all of them
02:45<Supaplex>I have most of my plugins disabled.
02:45<stew>debnoob: try disabling some extensions
02:45<debnoob>I'll do that,but I didnt install any
02:45<stew>debnoob: no plugins either?
02:45<Supaplex>and lay off the goatse galleries
02:47<debnoob>didn't install any, jst using the base
02:47<debnoob>had to install adobe flash player the other day, it crashed on the adobe site a few times
02:48<Supaplex>how sad is that
02:48<chump_>i had like 8 tabs open and it was running at like 150 megs of ram and 60% cpu usage and it was just bogging the whole system down which was running terminal only
02:48<debnoob>I think thats the only feature I installed
02:48<Supaplex>flash-block is a must if you have flash
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02:48<debnoob>I gotta set up a desktop for monitoring system performance,
02:49<debnoob>does it work with iceweasel?
02:49<chump_>thansk dondelecaro
02:49<debnoob>I still can't figure out hy firefox wasn't included in deb
02:50<stew>debnoob: /msg dpkg why iceweasel
02:51<chump_>supaplex how do you look at your PM's when you're using irrsi?
02:52<Supaplex>chump_: /window 49
02:52<debnoob>so iceweasel i sort of firefox in a different package? neat
02:52<Supaplex>debnoob: for the most part, it's rebranded with security updates.
02:52<stew>debnoob: iceweasel is firefox with different artwork a different name, pango font support and possibly some security fixes
02:53<debnoob>so iceweasel 2.0 can handle firefox plugins for 2.0 ?
02:53<Supaplex>mozilla got their panties in a wad over the firefox name and our artwork or something.
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02:53<stew>debnoob: yes
02:53<chump_>supaplex any way of knowing how many windows htere are?
02:54<debnoob>ok well I'm probably gonna probably rename it in my system to web browser 2.0
02:54<Supaplex> shows I had atleast 8 at that time.
02:54<debnoob>all these names of packages got my head sinning
02:57<debnoob>any idea why my fstab auto mounts?
02:58<chump_>what do you mean auto mounts?
02:58<Supaplex>that's by design. use noauto
02:58<debnoob>as you may have seen I did
02:58<Supaplex>failing that, comment it from fstab (some fs modules don't support noauto iirc)
03:00<debnoob>yesterday to get it to mount and be usuable by my user, i had to change own and grp of the mnt and mnt/ntfs is that recommended?
03:00<debnoob>is there another way?
03:00<chump_>supaplex what is in the back round of that screencap
03:02<Supaplex>chump_: that was taken weeks ago
03:03[~]Supaplex 's graymatter has 20% or less remaining
03:05<debnoob>hmm sounds like a new nick for me
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03:13<Corrine>okay, so the good news is, if you rip a compressed file to flac, you don't get a bigger file than you started with
03:13<Corrine>bad news is, the flac encoder only wants to rip one song in 5...
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03:16<Corrine>-whimpers- though from what the m4as sound like, maybe I should just give up
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03:18<Corrine>screw it, I'm getting bittorrent, somebody must have a copy of this that's not ruined
03:19<chump_>what are you ripping corrine?
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03:20<Corrine>trying to get some itunes files into a format my new music player supports
03:21<Corrine>namely converting to flac so it doesn't sound worse than it already does
03:21<debnoob>ok well I think I'm gonna unount with fuse and try to use ntfs-3g since its supposedly very stable for writing
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03:22<debnoob>do you concurr?
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03:23<debnoob>wait a second, tfs-3g requires fuse as a dependant
03:23<htraki>hi guys
03:23<debnoob>hi morgan
03:23<htraki>you are back
03:23<debnoob>hey hey htraki
03:24<debnoob>yes I am as promised
03:24<debnoob>today it automounted
03:24<debnoob>not eactly what I wanted but it sort of woks
03:24<htraki>everything ok?
03:25<htraki>what version of fuse do you have?
03:26<htraki>because you could get some perforamance by upgrading fuse to 2.7.1
03:26<chump_>what music is it corrine?
03:26<debnoob>got like a bunch of fuse and a bunch of ntfs lol
03:27<debnoob>fuse-utils 2.5.3-4.4
03:27<Corrine>World Inferno Friedship Society - A Lexicon of Friends and Enemies
03:27<debnoob>libfuse2 2.5.3-4.4.
03:27<htraki>yes,as I tought
03:27<debnoob>also have libntfs-3g0 installed
03:27<Corrine>never actually rleased, so I can't just buy it
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03:28<htraki>debnoob: Your fuse is very outdated
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03:29<Corrine>found one torrent that has part of it
03:29<debnoob>um ok
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03:30<Corrine>maybe I should see if the guy I got it from originally still has the master he ripped with itunes
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03:38<stew>debnoob: your fuse is not outdated, it is current
03:43<chump_>Corrine who is it?
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03:45<Corrine>friend from an IRC channel... jhaven't seen him in a year though
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03:50<Corrine>the torrent actually has seeders
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04:01<monra>hello. I have a big problem. Yesterday i apt-get isntalled some things but with them some packages where removed and destroyed some python files i had in my pc. I tried removing the installed pacakges running the same connad with remove but it worked out by removing me gnome!!! I don't have an X system now, I'm from irssi through console. I try ratpoison to maybe login from there but nothing. I tried apt-get install gnome but at the end of it i got some dpkg e
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04:02<kmap_lab>monra: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome-core
04:02<kmap_lab>Does that work?
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04:02<monra>let me see
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04:03<monra>kmap_lab: we will see at 100% if it's actually worked. right?
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04:04<stew>monra: what version of debian are you running?
04:04<kmap>monra: Hope so...
04:04<kmap_lab>monra: (Er, wrong screen)
04:04<monra>stew: that was the original problem. I had etch but seems by installing yesterday I partially upgraded to lenny :S
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04:05<kmap_lab>monra: Let the configuration happen, then we'll see
04:05<monra>kmap_lab: ok. But i guess my dpkg has also a problem :S
04:05<kmap_lab>monra: Once that's done, /etc/init.d/gdm restart should show the light of the day.
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04:06<monra>kmap_lab: but we will see
04:06[~]kmap_lab keeps his fingers crossed.
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04:09<OSuKaRu^-^>my problem with the hda-intel module persist
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04:09<OSuKaRu^-^>and i think what's the problem
04:09<sheldonh>i'm looking for a link for debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent
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04:11<OSuKaRu^-^>making a "dmesg" i found that try to find the sound card in the bios, bu it dont
04:11<OSuKaRu^-^>then said "hda_codec: Cannot set up configuration from BIOS. Using base mode..."
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04:12<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: change alsa-driver package fully
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04:12<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: to 1.0.15
04:12<OSuKaRu^-^>and then...
04:12<monra>kmap_lab: I got this at the end "Error where encoutered while processing: gnome-theme-extras gnome and after E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returnedn an error code (1) "
04:13<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: I hope it is goning to work
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04:13<kmap_lab>monra: Oh! I see.
04:13<kmap_lab>monra: Could zero in on the exact failing package?
04:13<kmap_lab>monra: Or paste the output to a pastebin?
04:14<OSuKaRu^-^>i've hadethe 1.0.15-2
04:14<monra>kmap_lab: i cannot paste in graphical.!
04:14<monra>kmap_lab: i mean in console
04:14<kmap_lab>monra: Oh, sorry!
04:14<kmap_lab>monra: Yes, I forgot. :-(
04:14<monra>kmap_lab: should i try install dpkg but how?
04:14<kmap_lab>monra: OK, but can you find the exact package which fails?
04:14<kmap_lab>monra: No, I don't think the fault lies with dpkg.
04:15<sheldonh>monra: look for the actual error output during the gnome-theme-extras gnome install. i suggest using script(1) to capture the output of what you're doing, so you can scroll back conveniently and even dump it into a pastebin to show others when asking for help
04:15<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: what sound chip do you have?
04:15<monra>kmap_lab: i don't think i can find the package that fails. Maybe i should try apt-get install -f ?
04:15<OSuKaRu^-^>the Alsaconf said that i had an hda-intel
04:16<kmap_lab>monra: Worth a try. And try noting the error this time
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04:16<OSuKaRu^-^>it's an embed sound car in the motherboard
04:16<OSuKaRu^-^>card. no car
04:17<monra>sheldonh: oops! I didn't now script command! kmap_lab i will try make a paste and then with lynx to upload it in the web
04:17<kmap_lab>monra: Sure.
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04:19<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^:perheaps you have a very new sound chip or southbrige
04:19<OSuKaRu^-^>well. i not the only one i had this problem
04:20<OSuKaRu^-^>finding on the web (forums and stuff) i found a lot of people with te same problem
04:20<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: What motherboard do you have?
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04:20<OSuKaRu^-^>and a lot of useless solutions T-T
04:21<monra>kmap_lab: could you give me again the apt-command because i lost it. I'm in irssi and don't know what happened but last !apt seems something different now! :S
04:21<OSuKaRu^-^>asRock Dual Sries 4core sata-2
04:21<kmap_lab>kmap: apt-get install gnome-core gdm x-window-system-core
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04:23<htraki>OSuKaRu^-^: I think you have to wait a bit,till alsa-porject makes the work
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04:26<monra>kmap_lab: here you are
04:26<kira>hi all! I have installed w32codecs but now i have movies with divx mpeg-4 codec cant ply wit debian somebody knows where to find this codec?
04:27<kmap_lab>monra: Hold on
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04:28<kmap_lab>monra: Could you please apt-get --reinstall install libgtk2.0-0
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04:29<monra>kmap_lab: sure. Just doing this
04:29<monra>kmap_lab: same errors
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04:29<monra>kmap_lab: want to see it ?
04:30<kmap_lab>monra: Argh
04:30<kmap_lab>monra: How about dpkg -r libgtk2.0-0?
04:30<kmap_lab>monra: I'm just trying to clean it up, and give it a fresh trial
04:31<monra>kmap_lab: It says dependancy problems - not removing :(
04:31<kmap_lab>monra: Force it. dpkg -r --force-all libgtk2.0-0.
04:31<kmap_lab>Should be fairly safe, as X etc. are broken anyway. :-)
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04:32<monra>kmap_lab: no error this time!
04:32<kmap_lab>monra: OK. Now apt-get install -f
04:32<monra>should i know try reisntalling ligtk2.0-0?
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04:33<kmap_lab>monra: What does apt-get install -f do?
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04:37<monra>kmap_lab: installing -f? He? I don't know. No idea!
04:37<monra>kmap_lab: did you said anything. I was logged out :S connection problems
04:37<kmap_lab>monra: apt-get install -f
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04:42<monra>kmap_lab: this will take lot time. still in 16% as it is 100+MB. Will tell the results at the end
04:43<kmap_lab>monra: Sure.
04:43<kmap_lab>monra: I may be away for a while, so it's fine if someone else answers...
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04:43<kmap_lab>monra: But I'll definitely check in a while
04:43<monra>kmap_lab: ok! thank you for your help!
04:44<kmap_lab>monra: BTW, is it fetching files for install now?
04:44<kmap_lab>Ah, OK. So it is...
04:44<monra>kmap_lab: i think so ... it is GETting them
04:44<kmap_lab>Most likely your problems should be solved. Let's hope for the best! :-)
04:45<monra>kmap_lab: i now saw that I'm taking from testing repositories ... :S. IS that ok?
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04:45<kmap_lab>monra: Yes. I guess you're better off moving to Lenny. :-)
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04:46<kmap_lab>monra: Always better than keeping a mixed stable+testing, which is what led to the problem earlier...
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04:46<baruch>Is there any debian install image that is 16MB or less? (trying to install debian on a remote dell with virtual flash)
04:47<petemc>the floppy disk images are small
04:48<baruch>I'll take a look at the floppies, the business card for amd64 is 37MB
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04:51<Supaplex>baruch: well, there's
04:51<baruch>The server is currently Debian and I need to reinstall it to use a different root fs (XFS instead of ext3), I also need to change the hardware raid to raid 1+0 from Raid 5
04:52<Supaplex>baruch: i-g, installing on existing linux systems.
04:52<Supaplex>!tell baruch -about i-g
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04:59<baruch>Supaplex: thanks, but this assumes an existing partition and the bozo who installed it didn't even setup swap
04:59<Supaplex>baruch: is anything ext2/3? you could use resize2fs
04:59<Supaplex>or even tmpfs if you're daring
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05:01<baruch>I'm trying now to figure out how to use virtual media on the DRAC5 to use the business card cd to do the work
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05:01<baruch>I'm having problems getting the thing to work, when it rains, it pours
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05:10<macdeem>is there a way to unrar pass a missing rar file say 12/42
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05:10<macdeem>can't you unrar from 13 to 42?
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05:15<petemc>macdeem: not if it needs the stuff contained within to make up the full file
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05:24<sheldonh>i'm looking for a link for debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent
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05:26<padski>sheldonh, I'm not seeing 4.0_r2 on cdimage.d.o, have they been done yet ?
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05:28<shaun>hello there
05:28<macdeem>petemc, darn
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05:29<thijs>hi all
05:29<thijs>i want to build a PXE server with debian to install debian?
05:29<thijs>good guides?
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05:31<shaun>what did you mean with deiban to install debian
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05:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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05:32<padski>thijs, google says:
05:32<gsimmons>thijs: Take a look at the Installation Guide. Setting up a TFTP server (for installation via netboot) is covered.
05:33<monra>kmap_lab: :( Unfortulately didn't work. Same error at the end about dpkg returning error code (1) and also error in gnome-theme-packages was encoutered
05:35<monra>Could anybody help me. I tried upgrading to lenny but doesn't seem working. I did apt-get install -f but still nothing. Any ideas on how can i work on X enviroment? I'm really in need of this.
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05:38<padski>monra, you tried upgrading from what to lenny and how ?
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05:39<monra>padski: from etch to lenny. i removed the libgtk2.0-0 and then did the apt-get install -f that fetched over 150MB+.
05:40<padski>monra, how ?
05:40<monra>padski: what do you mean how?
05:40<padski>or possibly "how !?!?"
05:40<shaun>why not update first :)
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05:41<monra>shaun: you mean apt-get update?
05:41<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
05:41<monra>i didn't do this... but what i fetched was from a lenny repository ...
05:42<padski>monra, its not end of the world. what is broken ?
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05:43<monra>padski: Graphical enviroment basically. When hitting Ctr+Alt+F7 just see the mouse point.. nothing else. Not a login screen as used.
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05:46<monra>padski: not total gone to lenny ... just in some way
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05:48<padski>monra, ok. I'm just trying to decide what would be good advice. I'm resisting metaphors involving guns, feet and field-dressing skills.
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05:50<jnaranjo>hi all i'm looking for some help
05:50<snogglethorpe>padski: how about metaphors involving Uwe Boll and Michael Bay? those are always fun...
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05:51<jnaranjo>I am installing an app that uses mono... and i'm getting an exception because my system can't handle the windows-1252 encoding
05:51<padski>for that I will need google
05:51<jnaranjo>do you know what can i do?
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05:54<padski>snogglethorpe, thanks for the tip. looks right up my street. priceless :-)
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05:55<padski>monra, would you normally expect gdm ?
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06:04<sheldonh>padski: hmmm, perhaps not. bit silly to announce prior to availability :(
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06:05<padski>sheldonh, I think the first time I realised it is like this was 4.0_r1. seems quite relaxed :-) does jigdo help ?
06:06<sheldonh>hmmm, there's a thought
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06:10<sheldonh>hooray! my first package accepted into debian
06:10<sheldonh>it's gonna be a great year ;)
06:10<padski>sheldonh, congrats, which one ?
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06:12<padski>sheldonh, ah! nice :-)
06:13<sheldonh>padski: yeah, i'm hoping to use it to replace our current svk+rdiff-backup approach
06:14<padski>sheldonh, /etc under VCS would be the most commonly mentioned itch
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06:18<junior>hi everybody
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06:19<Guest2027>i want to know about lmbench package available in debian,is there anybody who used this one
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06:25<Guest2027>i installed lmbanch package in my system and executed that one.But i can't see/generate any performance analysis graph with the data which it produced during run-time
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06:25<macdeem>anyone ever changed an application icon. I wanna replace the mplayer icon but I have no idea how. I downloaded some replacements
06:25<galataranator>hi, could someone tell me if there is an official debian hardened project?
06:26<galataranator>i have been away from Debian for quite some time now
06:26<galataranator>using gentoo-hardened and prevously adamantix
06:26<[machine]>gala: there's nothing official atm, but there's a working party working on it
06:27<galataranator>but basically i want to have RSBAC or possibly SeLinux capabilities
06:27<galataranator>is there an official way to obtain these features?
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06:28<galataranator> as well as seem to be defunct
06:28<galataranator>i will check that out
06:28<galataranator>thanks machine
06:29<[machine]>gala: that link is pretty much dead i think... (debian-hardened)
06:29<galataranator>yup looks like the last activity on that project was like 05
06:29<[machine]>there's a private mailing list that has working party discussions on hardening debian by default... (basically looking at forcing non-executable stack and other such stuff)
06:30<galataranator>yeah, thats what i am looking for
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06:30<[machine]>they're test building packages with such options enabled (to see how many packages would break etc)
06:30<galataranator>i have been using gentoo, but gentoo takes too much time
06:31[~][machine] is on the mailing list but it's not end user i think
06:32<[machine]>gala: it's basically a bunch of debian security related developers and maintainers trying to figure out how to harden it without breaking lots of stuff
06:33<dpkg>[lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
06:34<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
06:34<galataranator>i do like that debian has added gpg sigs
06:34<galataranator>that is new since i have last used it
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06:35<galataranator>[machine]: thanks for the help man, i would be interested in helping with the project perhaps in march when i have way more time
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06:39<maliks7>how do i turn on automatic updates in etch?
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06:41<suiside>maliks7: simple script and cron, or if you use a graphical apt-frontend there's usually a checkbox somewhere convenient
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06:41<koollman>maliks7: you can use 'cron-apt'
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06:43<macdeem>Oh man linux rules
06:43<macdeem>how do you replace specific applicaton icons though
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06:55<htraki>hi guys
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06:57<htraki>hi macdeem
06:58<macdeem>how are you?
06:58<dpkg>macdeem: peachy
06:58<macdeem>!dpkg kernel
06:59<pari>is there anybody who knows about lmbench?
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06:59<htraki>no,what is that?
07:00<macdeem>htraki, I don't like the mplayer icon and I downloaded some nicer looking onces but what should I do with them, just replace them in the icons directory, where is that one?
07:01<htraki>place it in /usr/share/pixmaps,there are the gnome icons
07:01<htraki>or you can use your own .gnome dir
07:02<macdeem>htraki, I think that would be better cause in /usr/share/pixmaps, mplayer is a xpm file, and I have some png files
07:02<Lynx>Hi, is here somebody who knows something about partitions and harddisks?
07:03<htraki>lynx: I will help you
07:03<htraki>macdeem: You have to convert them to xpm
07:03<htraki>Lynx: What is your problem
07:04<pari>lmbench is a performance analysis tool for unix based system
07:04<macdeem>htraki, how do you do that? Cant I use the .mplayer directory instead?
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07:05<macdeem>pari, what about it?
07:05<htraki>macdeem: As I see there are also png files try to use them first
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07:06<test1>hello all
07:06<htraki>.mplayer contains mplayer settings,but not for icons
07:06<htraki>hi test1
07:06<Lynx>ok nice, so I have 2 harddisks from maxtor. they seemed to be identical for me, but they aren't. one is 160gb with n sectors, the 2nd one is 163gb with n+1000 sectors. now i wanted to build a linux software raid1 (with mdadm). so I followed an instruction, which told me to copy the partition table from disk 1 to disk 2 via sfdisk. but the last partition on disk 2 got an superblock error (can't find it). so what the hell?
07:06<pari><macdeem>:there is a package in debian pool .lmbench
07:06<macdeem>htraki, I can't even find the file that contains the image of the icon I see in my menu
07:07<test1>i have some problem with one one our servers that i manage it, the
07:07<test1>problem is that it has wrong time , even when i installed ntp daemon
07:08<test1>can any one help me ?
07:08<htraki>lynx: Short partion table,plz
07:08<pari>i run that one and it has generated various system related data after a serious of performance analysis checking but it is in raw text format i want some graph how to generate that one
07:08<htraki>test1:did you start ntp daemon?
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07:09<cahoot>define wrong time
07:09<htraki>test1: then you have to a bit
07:09<Lynx>htraki: it is on my 2nd computer, that's not possible to past it here. or shoud I write it down manually?
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07:09<htraki>test1: sorry, I mean You have to wait a bit
07:09<test1>htraki, i installed it about 1 week and from about 6 hour agao i opened its required ports(123) in firewall
07:10<cahoot>define wrong time test1
07:10<htraki>Lynx,use paste bin plz
07:11<Lynx>will take some time
07:11<test1>yes, about 6 hours ago when i opened the udp port 123 for it , the server's clock was became correct but 3 minutes ago i notices that
07:11<test1>the server's clock is exactly 30 minutes before the real time !!!!!!!!!
07:12<htraki>macdeem: /usr/share/menu dir contains all the description to the icons in the menu
07:13<cahoot>test1: this is on a debian system?
07:13<twb>test1: so your timezone is wrong
07:14<test1>cahoot, yes, debian etch 4.0r1 amd64 on a 2 dual-core xeon-3.4 server ( compaq DL 380G)
07:14<test1>twb, no my timezone a correct certainly
07:15<twb>I don't believe you
07:15<test1>twb, no, my timezone is correct surely.
07:15<twb>What is the output of `date +%Z%z'?
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07:15<test1>twb, IRST+0330
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07:16<test1>twb, and the output of 'date' itself is:
07:16<test1>Thu Jan 3 15:21:13 IRST 2008
07:16<test1>and it is exactly 30 minutes before real time !!!!!!
07:16<htraki>Lynx: Did you resize your disk2?
07:17<twb>test1: IRST is the correct timezone?
07:17<test1>twb, yes
07:17<twb>Are you dual-booting with OS/2 or Windows?
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07:18<htraki>Lynx: Did you ran sfdisk -V <device>
07:18<twb>htraki: *run
07:18<htraki>yes, thank you twb
07:18<test1>twb, no this is a 24-hour x 7-days server without the need to any reboot, and its uptime is about 21 day
07:18<Lynx>It had no partitions. So I copied via sfdisk the partition table to disk2 and createt the filesystems on it. First ext3fs and then "fs Linux raid autodetect". After that I created the Raid Array with only the 2nd disk and then he tells me /dev/md3 (last partition) has got a not findable superblock.
07:18<twb>test1: so now we get to the important question: are you running ntpdate and ntp?
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07:19<Lynx>sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk /dev/hdb
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07:19<Lynx>but I had to force it, it always told me, that hdb is busy
07:20<Lynx>then I noticed it is because of the swap on it, so I turned it off. device was still busy but it "worked"
07:20<htraki>lynx: That was the mistake
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07:21<Lynx>mh okay, that's possible
07:21<test1>twb, i installed the ntp package without any change to irs default configuration and
07:21<Lynx>wait, I will past it soon, one second
07:21<test1>with the ntp-doc package only
07:21<twb>test1: did you install ntpdate?
07:21<test1>twb, is the ntpdate part of ntp package ?
07:21<twb>ntp does not correct large differences in time.
07:21<twb>No, ntpdate is a separate utility.
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07:22<cahoot>he describes a clockdrift of 30 mins in 6 h
07:23<twb>Well, ntpdate will solve the immediate problem and hopefully I won't be here when it recurs
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07:23<cahoot>in spite of ntp running
07:23<htraki>Lynx: I thn
07:23<htraki>Lynx: I think you should
07:23<test1>twb, no , i didnt't install ntpdate
07:24<twb>test1: do so
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07:24<test1>twb what is the difference between ntp and ntpdate ?
07:24<twb>test1: they are orthogonal
07:25<test1>twb, what do you mean ?( can you explain)
07:25<test1>is the ntpdate client and ntp the server side only ?
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07:25<htraki>Lynx: I think there is no other way, you have to do everything agian
07:25<twb>test1: ntpdate and ntp do different things
07:26<htraki>Lynx: Everything seems fine
07:26<twb>test1: ntp runs constantly and corrects small drifts. ntpdate runs at boot and corrects insane drifts.
07:26<Lynx>so, the RAID1 is active now, maybe I should turn it off and recreate /dev/hdb4 again?
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07:26<twb>ntp will NOT fix a 30 minute drift, because it's too big
07:27<test1>twb, i installed ntpdate
07:27<twb>Lynx: you shouldn't be copying the partition table between disks of unequal size.
07:27<test1>twb, now what must i do ?
07:28<twb>Lynx: it's perfectly safe to just make a partition on each disk separately, as long as the partitions are the same size.
07:28<htraki>Lynx: Turn off raid1,clear disk2,do everything again
07:28<Lynx>twb: I copied it from the smaller disk, so it shoudn't be a problem right?
07:28<twb>In theory, it will usually work.
07:29<Lynx>I was just confused, that debian always told me, that the disk is busy
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07:30<Lynx>and that was during installation and in shell then
07:30<twb>Lynx: from the paste, the only thing "wrong" with the partitions is the filesystem type
07:30<Lynx>which one?
07:30<twb>On hdb they're all set to raid.
07:30<Lynx>well, the instruction told me to do this
07:31<test1>twb, now what must i do ?
07:31<twb>Lynx: you want four separate RAID-1 arrays?
07:31<twb>test1: is the time fixed?
07:31<Lynx>mh thats a good point. 1 array is enough I guess...
07:32<macdeem>how do I make a xpm file out of a png file?
07:32<Lynx>but I'm not good in this RAID stuff at the moment
07:32<twb>That is apparent.
07:32<twb>macdeem: that is a lossy transformation.
07:32<twb>macdeem: convert foo.png foo.xpm
07:32<test1>twb, no the time is wrong as before !!
07:32<twb>macdeem: convert(1) is in the imagemagick package.
07:32<test1>must i run ntpdate manually ?
07:33<test1>twb, must i run ntpdate manually ?
07:33<twb>test1: is the network connected?
07:33<Lynx>twb: maybe you have got a better instruction for me?
07:33<macdeem>twb, well I have the mplayer.xpm file in share/menu, but I wanna use another icon which I have in a png file, what can I do?
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07:34<htraki>macdeem: Change the descirption file's icon entry
07:34<test1>twb, yes, it is permanently connected to internet with a 1MBps connection
07:35<macdeem>htraki, ok, so I will copy the png into /usr/share/pixmaps and then point the /share/menu to the png instead of a xpm, and then restart gnome?
07:36<htraki>macdeem: Just relogin
07:36<macdeem>htraki, ok, thanks
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07:37<twb>test1: are you using a firewall?
07:38<twb>Lynx: can't you just use the partition manager in debian-installer?
07:38<test1>twb, yes but i opened the udp port 123 of this server
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07:39<Lynx>twb: The partition manager has nothing to do with I don't get it what you mean
07:39<test1>twb, i conclude from man page of ntpdate that i must run ntpdate manually
07:39<test1>twb, or as a cron job
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07:40<cahoot>but not if ntp is running already?
07:40<test1>twb, but it needs a server's ip address
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07:40<test1>twb, do you recomment a specific server ?
07:40<twb>Lynx: er, d-i's partition manager support md and lvm.
07:41<macdeem>is there a way to reload icons without loging out?
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07:42<twb>macdeem: what icons
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07:42<test1>twb, i ran "ntpdate" and the time became correct :-)
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07:43<htraki>twb: Gnome icons
07:43<test1>twb, is this way correct ?
07:43<macdeem>like for my application in the menu, or on the toolbar
07:43<macdeem>anyway, I logging in and it didn't work htraki
07:44<htraki>macdeem: check the path first
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07:46<sheldonh>Lynx: in the installer, the "partition manager" is used to configure RAID, LVM, partitions and filesystems
07:46<Lynx>twb: So now I found a howto from mdadm, it shows how to create just 1 array. well, I will read it and then I see
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07:47<Lynx>sheldonh: Yes, but I don't think you can use RAID with the defaul kernel
07:48<Lynx>there is no raid function compiled in it
07:48<sheldonh>Lynx: you can. almost all our debian installs use software raid
07:48<sheldonh>Lynx: if mdadm isn't installed when mkinitrd is run, then mkinitrd won't include the raid kernel modules in the initial ramdisk
07:49<Lynx>okay, interesting
07:49<sheldonh>Lynx: but if you use the installer, mdadm is automatically selected if you create RAID arrays :)
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07:50<sheldonh>Lynx: nice once you know how it works -- too much magic can be frustrating :)
07:50<Lynx>ok, but I think it is faster to wipe all data out
07:50<Lynx>that was the suppose ... to learn it :)
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07:50<Lynx>because if something is fucked up, then I want to know what to do
07:50<macdeem>how do you refresh gnome, with out logging in and out?
07:51<twb>Stock Debian kernels support md.
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07:51<test1>twb, thanks
07:51<Lynx>okok, i believe you all :D
07:51<twb>macdeem: try running `gnome-control-center' and playing with the `appearance' or `theme' option
07:51<macdeem>twb, thanks
07:51<twb>macdeem: somewhere in there is the icon theme, if you change it then change it back the icons should update
07:52<twb>Note that GNOME 2 does not use xpm for icons
07:52<macdeem>twb where is the gnome-control-center?
07:52<twb>It's a program
07:52<macdeem>I am using xpm for some icons here?
07:53<twb>You can force a particular .desktop file to use an XPM icon by specifying the full path.
07:53<twb>By default, GNOME icons are all SVG or PNG, depending on theme.
07:53<twb>One exception: some very old software (e.g. xmms) still uses xpms, even under gnome
07:53<macdeem>twb I see, thanks
07:54<macdeem>twb, yeah same with mplayer
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07:54<sheldonh>Lynx: i must admit, starting from scratch often makes me feel safer when i've botched something at the storage level :)
07:54<macdeem>but then I copied a png file into /usr/share/pixmaps and then changesd then entry in /usr/menu/mplayer
07:54<Lynx>well, I think I will do a low level format first
07:54<Lynx>and check if the hard disk is okay
07:55<twb>23:48 <sheldonh> Lynx: if mdadm isn't installed when mkinitrd is run, then mkinitrd won't include the raid kernel modules in the initial ramdisk
07:55<Lynx>makes me feel better ^^
07:55<twb>sheldonh: using initramfs-tools, the ramdisks should be rebuilt when mdadm is installed
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07:55<sheldonh>twb: yeah, that sounds familiar
07:56<twb>However, I believe the ramdisks ALSO should be rebuilt whenever you add a new array, for maximum safety.
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07:56<twb>By default ISTR Debian will try to activate all arrays it can find before trying to find the root (e.g. root=/dev/md0) device
07:57<twb>But to know what "all arrays" mean ISTR it looks at what's around when the ramdisk is built
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08:00<Gimmy>Buongiorno a Tutti!
08:02<Gimmy>c'è nessuno?
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08:02<Lynx>is there any linux rescue cd compilation with a low level format tool in it? oO
08:03<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
08:03<twb>Lynx: yes: all of them
08:03<Lynx>System Rescue CD dont seem...
08:03<Lynx>well I can't find it in the description
08:03<twb>I'm not familiar with that distro
08:03<Gimmy>Tanks! ... Sorry
08:04<Lynx>ok, so what are you thinking about?
08:04<twb>Look for *fdisk or parted
08:04<Frolic>Lynx, I think that EBCD have it.
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08:04<Lynx>but that's not low level I think?
08:04<twb>Lynx: what, then, do you mean by `low level'?
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08:06<Lynx>I thought low level means: Going from sector to sector and check if the sector is okay (in this procedure all data is lost) and map bad sectors out
08:06<twb>Isolating bad sectors is a totally separate activity
08:07<macdeem>can someone tell me howto install
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08:07<twb>Lynx: I believe e2fsck can do that.
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08:08<Lynx>well ok
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09:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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09:18<solz>come si fa' ad installare ubuntu su un hd ext???
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09:19<`cle>hi there
09:19<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
09:19<`cle>anybody know why i can't download jigdo file today?
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09:21<`cle>anybody can help me?
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09:22<padski>what error do you get ?
09:22<`cle>The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/jigdo-cd/ was not found on this server.
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09:23<`cle>just wondering is that server down today
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09:23<padski>`cle, I see that too now. it was there earlier. perhaps they are updating to r2
09:24<padski>`cle, indeed, they have.
09:24<`cle>but i tot r2 was released last month??
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09:24<padski>`cle, you thought cirrectly
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09:25<`cle>tot a week passed by, can go download and upgrade my system
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09:25<`cle>too bad, tried whole day, still the same error
09:25<gsimmons>`cle: was recently updated with 4.0r2 images. If you still want 4.0r1, use <> instead.
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09:25<`cle>never mind.. just wait r2 out
09:25<padski>`cle, do you not just use apt-get (or aptitude) upgrade ?
09:26<`cle>nope.. my computer harddisk crashed last week
09:26<`cle>now want to do new installation
09:27<`cle>tried 2 times using net installation but failed
09:27<`cle>that's why want to try download using jigdo
09:27<padski>`cle, is that r1 net install ?
09:28<`cle>it's there
09:28<`cle>didn't realize the url error
09:28<padski>see above :-)
09:28<`cle>the url provided on website still r1
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09:29<`cle>lol.. can ady.. just manually change the url to r2
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09:31<Lynx>twb: I found out, that writing the partition table from disk 1 to disk 2 (specs are a little different) isn't a real good idea... :(
09:31<`cle>padski, can i ask a question...
09:31<padski>`cle, yes, IIUC, that is a different developer ;-)
09:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:32<Maulkin>`cle: What page did that error come from?
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09:32<`cle>if i just want to use debian for desktop, i need to download all 3 dvd??
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09:32<`cle>maulkin, from this url:
09:32<lupine>`cle: no, just the first one
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09:32<Maulkin>`cle: thanks
09:33<lupine>unless you plan to install all sorts, and dont' have internet to the PC you're installing too
09:33<`cle>i think just now i come from the other way round also get the same error
09:33<`cle>thats mean i just need to install using the first cd
09:34<`cle>then the rest i can just download the packages from net??
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09:35<padski>`cle, yes. there is even the net inst and business card disks.
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09:36<`cle>yes.. but i tried 2 times using new inst.. but failed.. don't know why
09:36<padski>`cle, I think I saw something about r1 floppies not working against the r2 repo, perhaps that extends to net inst, dunno
09:37<padski>`cle, would be interested to know what you get with the r2 net inst. unless there is some other obvious reason why net inst is failing for you.
09:38<`cle>ok.. may be i tried it out again later.. see what's the error...
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09:41<`cle>wow.. it's change ady.. maulkin is the website admin here??
09:41<Ant0nio>happy new year
09:41<`cle>hi.. happy new year
09:41<Ant0nio>this channel is for help too?
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09:41<JasonS>Ant0nio: for debian
09:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:42<Ant0nio>yes help for debian?
09:42<`cle>lol.. dont know.. im new here too
09:42<`cle>but found out this channel come in quite handy
09:42<Ant0nio>i have debian etch
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09:43<Ant0nio>i have /usr/share with the flag I set on (i don't know why)
09:43<Maulkin>`cle: should be fixed
09:43<Ant0nio>i use chattr -i /usr/share/
09:43<Ant0nio>but the flag stay again there
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09:43<`cle>maulkin: yes, it's fix.. i checked just now
09:44<Ant0nio>maybe corrupted files?
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09:46<`cle>padski, what if i download using bittorrent, is that image same with the one i get from jigdo?
09:46<Maulkin>`cle: it ends up the same, yes.
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09:47<`cle>ic.. thx.. coz for me, i feel more confortable with bittorrent.. lolx
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09:50<`cle>antonio.. may be u should wait some expert free to help u..
09:50<`cle>i still too new with debian.. lol
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09:51<Ant0nio>welcome in debian then
09:52<`cle>thx thx...
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09:53<Maulkin>Ant0nio: try with -d
09:53<Maulkin>(and -i
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09:53<Maulkin>And as root
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09:55<Ant0nio>don't work
09:55<Ant0nio>chattr -id /usr/share/
09:55<padski>chattr takes a -d option ? lsattr does
09:55<Maulkin>Ant0nio: how do you know it didn't work?
09:55<Ant0nio>chattr too take -d
09:55<Maulkin>padski: possibly not. I assumed it did :)
09:56<Ant0nio>lsattr /usr/share/
09:56<Ant0nio>there is flag I
09:56<Maulkin>Ant0nio: lsattr -d /usr/share
09:56<padski>"not a candidate for backup when dump(8) is run"
09:56<Maulkin>Ant0nio: Well, -i isn't the same as -I
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09:56<Maulkin>read man chattr
09:56<Ant0nio>the flag is always there
09:57<padski>Ant0nio, paste what you are doing
09:57<Ant0nio>paste in channel?
09:57<Maulkin>Ant0nio: The -I flag?
09:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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10:07<Ant0nio>excuse me for delay
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10:08<padski>Ant0nio, what Maulkin said: -I is not the same as -i
10:08<Ant0nio>but -I don't exsist as option
10:09<Maulkin>Ant0nio: yes it does. Go read man chattr again
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10:10<Ant0nio>Usage: chattr [-RV] [-+=AacDdijsSu] [-v version] files...
10:10<Ant0nio>i read man page I there isn't
10:10<`cle>got the new net inst image.. time for 3rd testing..
10:10<padski>Ant0nio, try lstattr -l
10:11<Ant0nio> chattr -I /usr/share
10:11<Ant0nio>Usage: chattr [-RV] [-+=AacDdijsSu] [-v version] files...
10:11<Ant0nio>debian:/home/utente1# lstattr -l
10:11<Ant0nio>bash: lstattr: command not found
10:11|-|Ant0nio kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
10:11<padski>or even, just try chattr -I as suggested
10:11<Maulkin> The ’I’ attribute is used by the htree code to indicate that a directory is being indexed using hashed trees. It may not be set or reset using chattr(1),
10:11<Maulkin> although it can be displayed by lsattr(1).
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10:11<Maulkin>That is in the chattr man page
10:11<Ant0nio>lstattr -l command not found
10:12<padski>Maulkin, ah! apologies!
10:12<Ant0nio> chattr -I /usr/share
10:12<Ant0nio>Usage: chattr [-RV] [-+=AacDdijsSu] [-v version] files..
10:12<Ant0nio>-L not exsist
10:12<Maulkin>yes. Read man chattr
10:12<Ant0nio>-I excuse
10:12<Ant0nio>i readdddd
10:12<Maulkin>Or the lines I just posted.
10:12<azeem>Maulkin: he was kicked
10:13<padski>no, he came back
10:13<Maulkin>The ’I’ attribute is used by the htree code to indicate that a directory is being indexed using hashed trees. It may not be set or reset using chattr(1), lthough it can be displayed by lsattr(1).
10:13<Maulkin>That is in the chattr man page
10:13<Ant0nio>i have italian man pages and there isn't
10:13<Ant0nio>so lsattr - I?
10:13<azeem>Ant0nio: the bottom line is: don't worry about it, all is fine
10:14<padski>"Indexed" is not the same as "Imumutable"
10:14<Ant0nio>because my first problem
10:14<Xanthomryr|wrk>aptituz: ich habe jetzt eine ubuntu 6.06 installiert hat Debian eben Pech gehabt wenn es nicht läuft
10:14<Ant0nio>is that fonts /usr/share/consolefonts
10:14<Ant0nio>give me permission denied as root to
10:15<`cle>maulkin, forgotten to tell u just now.. here also got URL error:
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10:16<Ant0nio>so my paste says that /usr/share/ is not immutable?
10:17<Ant0nio>is simply indeexed?
10:17<Ant0nio>what about the permission denied error then?
10:18<Ant0nio>i have searched on google
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10:18<Ant0nio>i find that permission denied as root
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10:18<Ant0nio>is caused by immutable flag
10:18<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:19<Maulkin>azeem: What error?
10:19<Maulkin>Ant0nio: What error
10:19<Ant0nio>i paste now
10:20<Ant0nio>/etc/kbd/config: line 21: /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold20x10.psf.gz: Permission denied
10:20<Ant0nio>Permission denied as root user
10:21<Ant0nio>i had problem of freeze caused by driver
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10:21<Ant0nio>so i must reboot bad sometimes
10:22<Ant0nio>maybe files corrupted?
10:23<Maulkin>Ant0nio: ls -l /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold20x10.psf.gz
10:23<Ant0nio>-rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 4600 2007-01-28 14:12 /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold20x10.psf.gz
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10:23<Ant0nio>i have set to 777 to
10:23<Ant0nio>don't work
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10:24<Ant0nio>now 666
10:24<Ant0nio>but 666 is not default
10:24<azeem>Ant0nio: ls -l /usr/share/consolefonts ?
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10:27<Ant0nio>why do you want see permission of file
10:27<Ant0nio>i launch the script as root
10:27<Ant0nio>root must have permission
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10:29<`cle>ok.. time for supper... c ya maul and padski.. i shall return later.. :)
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10:30<Maulkin>Ant0nio: IT may not be doing what you think it is.
10:30<Ant0nio>that surely
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10:30<Ant0nio>but what is?
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10:31<Maulkin>What's on line 21 of /etc/kbd/config?
10:31<Ant0nio>a variable with font
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10:31<lucas_amorim>hello, does anyone know which is the best xorg driver for this card: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] ??
10:32<lucas_amorim>savage driver that comes with the system is crashing anytime I try opening a 3D application. It causes a restart on xorg
10:32<Ant0nio>strange thing
10:32<Ant0nio>kbd use setfont
10:33<Ant0nio>if i do , as root, setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni etc etc
10:33<Ant0nio>so the problem is in the boot script
10:33<Ant0nio>but i don't know much
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10:33<Ant0nio>maybe i can reinstall kbd
10:37<Ant0nio>the script' s owner is root
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10:39<Ant0nio>azeem, do you find something? :)
10:40<azeem>Ant0nio: es sorry
10:40<Ant0nio>thx you
10:40<azeem>I meant "ls -l /usr/share | grep consolefonts"
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10:41<Ant0nio>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20480 2008-01-03 15:17 consolefonts
10:42<azeem>sorry, no idea
10:42<Ant0nio>thx you
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10:42<Ant0nio>now i search well on google "permission denied as root"
10:42<Ant0nio>because i very strange
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10:42<lucas_amorim>can anyone help me on that?
10:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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10:44<lucas_amorim>this may be useful:
10:45<lucas_amorim>the system is crashing anytime I try opening a 3D application. It causes a restart on xorg
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10:45<Maulkin>lucas_amorim: helpful. Install libgl1-mesa-dri
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10:46<lucas_amorim><Maulkin: Ok, thanks, I will try
10:46<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: installing
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11:02<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: still not working:
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11:04<Maulkin>lucas_amorim: install driconf
11:05<Maulkin>After runnign that, it'll create a ~/.drirc
11:05<Maulkin>you can move that to /etc/drirc to make it global
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11:05<monra>kmap_lab: hi. there?
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11:11<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: ok
11:11<zhonghong>how to assign DNS
11:12<evgeni>I have a weird error when I run ./configure for a program, any ideas? "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"?
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11:12<Maulkin>zhonghong: run a DNS server.
11:13<dpkg>methinks wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get)
11:14<zhonghong>nslookup work very well ,but the xchat and iceweasel cannot resolve the name
11:14<evgeni>the installation docs are saying to run a ./configure script before running "make install"
11:14<azeem>evgeni: install build-essential
11:15<evgeni>is that a command?
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11:15<evgeni>sorry, i am new to linux
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11:16<cahoot>what are you trying to install?
11:16<evgeni>for the website
11:16<evgeni>it's a module
11:16<cahoot>install it with debians tool - aptitude or apt-get
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11:18<evgeni>it says: "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/linb/dpkg/), is another processo using it?" when i run apt-get
11:18<cahoot>as root
11:18<evgeni>i use sudo
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11:19<cahoot>then you're displaced - but probably your package manager is running already
11:20<evgeni>what does that mean?
11:20<noflash>displaced...very nice ;)
11:20<cahoot>this channel isn't for ubuntu support evgeni
11:20<evgeni>are you upset that I am "ubuntu" and not "debian"?
11:21<evgeni>i know, but the channel for ubuntu doesn't have anybody right now
11:21<cahoot>no I'm not upset
11:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
11:21<Maulkin>you want #ubuntu on
11:22<evgeni>tried that already
11:22<evgeni>nobody in ubuntu
11:22<evgeni>it forwards to ubuntu-read-topic
11:22<Maulkin>There's lots of people there
11:22<evgeni>where there NOBODY
11:22<azeem>evgeni: please read what people tell you
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11:23<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: still not working:
11:23<Maulkin>There are 1237 people in #ubuntu on freenode
11:24<Maulkin>lucas_amorim: that seems to work.
11:24<evgeni>why is there all this bs about "we are not ubuntu, etc"? Aren't all of you guys for the same greater goal, linux community etc...?
11:24<azeem>evgeni: Ubuntu is different, we don't know all the details
11:24<azeem>so we cannot support
11:24<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: well, maybe the application I am trying is the problem. Do you know a good way to test?
11:25<azeem>evgeni: you got the answer to the question anyway: another package manager is running somewhere, close it or use that
11:25<evgeni>now that's a good reason, simply telling to go screw myself was striking me in a weird way
11:25<Maulkin>evgeni: BEcause it's not the same thing. Ubuntu changes stuff, we don't know what they've changed. It's as if you're asking ford why they can't service your VW.
11:25<cahoot>evgeni: you already got a plausible answer despite asking in the wrong place " probably your package manager is running already"
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11:25<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: glxgears is working :)
11:25<evgeni>i don't know what that means unfortunately, i just installed linux for the first time 1 day ago
11:25<Maulkin>lucas_amorim: good good :)
11:26<evgeni>but I guess I'll google that, thank you
11:26<Maulkin>evgeni: Really, ask #ubuntu on They do odd things with package managers.
11:26<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: glxgears is working :)
11:26<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: thanks :)
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11:26<evgeni>thank you
11:26<Maulkin>lucas_amorim: no problems
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11:26<Maulkin>Right. Now to go find the Debian Konversation maintainers
11:26<Maulkin>I have ahunch
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11:32<lucas_amorim>Maulkin: the application I want (epsxe) still does not work:
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11:34<maliks7>can any one help with installing the mozilla-mplayer plugin?.......... synaptic is tellin me that this package is broken
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11:36<fxiny>maliks7: etch ?
11:37<maliks7>fxiny: yes plz
11:37<cahoot>taken as an offer?
11:37<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
11:39<fxiny>cahoot: i though you were busy listening to 20 years of J.T. :P
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11:40<cahoot>tbh mostly the band
11:41[~]Supaplex tries to clear his sinuses, and hands fxiny the left over tissue
11:41<fxiny>a very bad aqualung version
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11:42<Belisarivs>Just wanted to report bug in icedove in Sid.
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11:42<Supaplex>!tell Belisarivs -about bts
11:42[~]fxiny grabs the Supa tissue and waits for the muses to talk him back
11:43<Belisarivs>OK then, just wanted to get response whether same happens to you or so,.
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11:44<Supaplex>Belisarivs: bts tracks bugs like these for countless people. if it's not there, use reportbug after you verify it's not profile related (stop all mozilla programs, mv .mozilla .mozilla-backup) and retest.
11:45<Belisarivs>OK, thanks
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11:45<scrod>good morning
11:46<maliks7>fxiny: still smae prob..........synaptic says broken and unmet dependencies
11:46<scrod>I need help configuring my new Debian server to allow access from my existing Win-Dohs! network
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11:48<fxiny>maliks7: this is the etch version i have : Installed: 1:3.40-0.1 . are you sure yours is not a mixed testing/etch box ?
11:48<maliks7>i dont know which etch version i have
11:48<Supaplex>scrod: what kind of access? samba? printing? plain ordinary IP networking?
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11:50<scrod>I have samba working Linux to Windows but not the other way around
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11:51[~]fxiny gets a Evil Emp Zurg to sniff Supaplex tissue : the Emperor nods .
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11:51<scrod>I need to get full file and user access - I'm setting up this server to run MySQL/Ruby on Rails and MythTV backend
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11:52<scrod>so... IP Networking
11:53<fxiny>maliks7: apt-cache policy mozilla-mplayer will tell
11:54<scrod>Supaplex: IP Networking
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11:56<scrod>Supaplex: Samba is working Debian to Windows only - I suspect user access is the issue
11:56<ratziiidd>kann mir jemand helfen ?
11:56<bahman>Hi all
11:57<bahman>I'm a Ubuntu new user
11:57<ratziiidd>wird hier deutsch gesprochen
11:57<bahman>Could you help me to add a termial shurtcut in any window?!
11:58<macdeem>cant you just drag and drop?
11:58<johns>ratziiidd: velleicht
11:58<fxiny>drag towards #ubuntu :P
11:59<maliks7>fxiny: where should i paste the out put of that ?
11:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
12:00<Maulkin>bahman: try #ubuntu on
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12:00<fxiny>maliks7: try this in the meantime : apt-get -s install mozilla-mplayer . don't worry , -s stands for symulation
12:00<ratziiidd>I can mac osx programme under debian?
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12:01<ratziiidd>can i work mac osx programs at debian
12:01<azeem>ratziiidd: don't cross-post your questions, please
12:01<azeem>and be a bit more patient
12:01<maliks7>fxiny: thats where the output is
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12:02<fxiny>maliks7: tha's testing > testing/main Packages
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12:03<`cle>it's quite funny.. for the last 2 failed installation, my installation tried to download 723 files..
12:03<`cle>but this time, i choosed the same packages, only 703 files
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12:03<maliks7>fxiny: so what do i do?
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12:04<fxiny>maliks7: change it like this : deb etch main
12:04<fxiny>maliks7: reload : apt-get update
12:06<maliks7>fxiny: thats the sec output
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12:08<fxiny>maliks7: check your sources list . dunno what this is .
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12:09<fxiny>maliks7: i use only official debian repo . plus debian multimedia . never had problems
12:09<maliks7>fxiny: would u have a look on my repo list?
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12:13<maliks7>fxiny: thats the repository list im usin, feel free to tell me what i shud take out of it
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12:16<fxiny>maliks7: i'd take lines number : 10 . 11 , 14 , 16 and 17 off
12:16<scrod>need help getting existing windows network to access Debian server
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12:17<htraki>maliks7: what about adding bakcports?
12:18<fxiny>maliks7: then run : apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade
12:19<htraki>backports,I mean
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12:19<maliks7>fxiny: ok done thanx, how do i add backports?
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12:19<maliks7>htraki: how do i add backports?
12:19<fxiny>maliks7: you don't need backport atm
12:20<dpkg>it has been said that is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
12:21<fxiny>maliks7: don't install anything if you don't know what is about it
12:21<fxiny>maliks7: feel fres to join and ask
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12:22<maliks7>fxiny: what does backports contain anyway?........multimedia stuff or something?
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12:24<metalqga>stuff that is in lenny, but compiled for etch
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12:25<fxiny>metalqga: hi !
12:25<maliks7>sounds like trouble, i rather stay away :)
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12:26<metalqga>do you have snow fxiny?
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12:26<fxiny>metalqga: yes !
12:26<metalqga>ppl cant go out of the home here :D
12:26<htraki>metalqga: where do you live?
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12:28<metalqga>how's the weather like in croatia, htraki?
12:28<htraki>metalqga: We dont have snow here. I am form hungary, Gyor
12:29<fxiny>metalqga: just 25cm but it won't stop . i'll see tomorrow morning , the only think i care is the telephone line :))
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12:29<htraki>The street is dry
12:30<fxiny>wait for your turn :P
12:30<metalqga>lol, my cable isp surprises me pleasantly these days
12:30<fxiny>htraki: :)
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12:35<fxiny>metalqga: my cat does'n like snowing but unfortunately all males cats are already meowing around for her :P
12:35<fxiny>so yeahhh it's definetly winter !
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12:38<metalqga>apt-get remove snow
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12:44<denver>have any of you had success with openvpn on default etch install?
12:44<denver>it does not seem to like tun interface
12:45<htraki>I dont use that
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12:47<seenu>wat is irc ?
12:47<seenu>can anyone tell me plzz
12:47<Lynx>Internet Relay Chat
12:47<seenu>i mean howz it different from other messengers
12:47<Lynx>It is a protocol like http or ftp
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12:48<Lynx>ICQ is a protocol too
12:48<seenu>is it platform independent ?
12:48<Lynx>look that up in wikipedia
12:48<seenu>howz it maintained ?
12:48<metalqga>surprise! this is irc you are using now
12:49<Lynx>there is a server
12:49<Lynx>and you are the client
12:49<Lynx>it uses the multi broadcast technique
12:49<seenu>ya i just tried it first time
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12:49<denver>seenu, read the rfc
12:50<denver>its exactly what you are asking
12:50<Ryuw>irc prort 6666 6667 6665,..
12:51<seenu>i am using debian from 1 year
12:51<azeem>Lynx: eh?
12:51<seenu>i want to try JAVA thru GCJ
12:51<azeem>Lynx: stop that
12:51<Lynx>this are IRC related RFCs
12:51<Ryuw>download kvirc2
12:51<seenu>can anyone how to run a java prg thru gcj ?
12:52<metalqga>Lynx how does internet work?
12:52<Lynx>Do you want RFC? :D
12:52<denver>you should be asking al gore
12:52<denver>not lynx
12:52<Lynx>haha :D
12:52<Ryuw>azeem download kvirc client for chat irc
12:52<Lynx>Or ask Wolfgang Schaeuble
12:53<Ryuw>Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart schaeuble?
12:54<fxiny>ehi ! what's wrong with Wolfy ?
12:54<seenu>how can i add more servers here ?
12:54<seenu>in IRC
12:54<Lynx>It is a German guy in the "Bundestag" (out parlament)
12:54<Lynx>and now he decided with our Bundestag, that they can hack every computer in germany
12:54<azeem>please keep it on topic
12:54<Lynx>and spy them
12:54<denver>did he invent the internet along with al gore?
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12:54<fxiny>parliawhat ? not my cup of tea :P
12:55<Lynx>argh dont know the exact englisch word
12:55[~]Lynx keeps on topic now :D
12:55<denver>in america it is congress
12:55<metalqga>in russia it's putin :D
12:55<denver>i love that man
12:56<denver>the stoic look on his face
12:56<Lynx>ok, i meant congress, or something similar to that
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12:57<denver>hes not afraid to go stalin style and kill a few russian nationals either
12:57<azeem>denver: please keep it on topic
12:58<macdeem>the mplayer icon is so cheap looking, I have a replacement. Can someone tell me how to replace it please, I am using gnome
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12:59<Lynx>macdeem: still working on that problem? -.-
12:59<metalqga>use mc, it shows no icons
12:59<stew>macdeem: the icon in menus?
12:59<macdeem>no, I quite a while ago after failing
13:00<Lynx>I'm still failing with my harddrives
13:00<metalqga>just make a new shortcut
13:00<fxiny>today i read of some sittin-parla idiots ready to ban say nmap cause is a cracker tool , hahahah all this rulers are ignorant pigs :P
13:00<macdeem>Lynx, I will help, me explain the sitiation
13:00<metalqga>it has a field to use a different icon
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13:01<stew>macdeem: where are you seeing this icon?
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13:01<twb>fxiny: you think that's dumb? Australian politicians have passed laws enforcing censorship of the internet
13:01<Lynx>Oh, I just want to create a Raid1 array but I have no clue why I get this crappy "superblock not found" error on this array
13:01<macdeem>stew, I am not sure where it is, but yeah the one in menus is it, but the problem is it is a xpm file and the replacement is a png file. If I could convert the png to xpm, and then just replace that file, I bet it would work, but I couldn't find a converter
13:01<twb>Lynx: the superblock is the bit at the start of each node in the array that says "I'm a raid node!"
13:01<macdeem>Lynx, I worked with scsi, but not raid
13:01<junior01>How install built-in Webcam & Mic on notebook toshiba?
13:02<stew>macdeem: edit /usr/share/menu/mplayer and run 'update-menus' ; a png is fine
13:02<fxiny>twb: i knew that but this uk idiot is even worse
13:02<macdeem>Lynx, all I know is, you must do partition the disk how you like, and then do mkfs.ext3, and then add your drive in fstab and you are good to go
13:02<stew>fxiny: please keep it on topic
13:02<htraki>junior01: what webcam chip do you have?
13:02<macdeem>stew thanks
13:02<fxiny>stew: ok
13:03<Lynx>macdeem: That's not so easy, if you want to create a Raid1 Array on a running system...
13:03<Lynx>that's what I know
13:03<twb>Lynx: you have important data on the disks that you want to keep?
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13:03<junior01>htraki, how output webcam chip?
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13:03<twb>I'm confused as to why you're having trouble, then
13:03<macdeem>Lynx, what are kind of system besides a running one would you do it
13:03<twb>d-i has a whizz-bang dinky GUI to do it
13:03<htraki>junior01: lsusb
13:04<Lynx>I confused myself I think...
13:04<macdeem>Lynx, once you get it right, it is very easy, until then it is impossible. start with cfdisk
13:04<macdeem>do cfdisk /dev/sda
13:04<Lynx>so wait
13:04<macdeem>Is that right? First you do cfdisk, and mkfs.ext3, I can't remember, it was last summer when I did that
13:04<junior01>htraki, Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
13:05<twb>macdeem: I don't think you're helping
13:05<Lynx>I will try myself, I dont want to exhaust you on your icon problem :D
13:05<macdeem>Lynx, my icon is on a far back burner compared to your disk problem
13:05<htraki>junior01: try gspca latest,but first need usb ID
13:06<macdeem>Lynx, let me check something out for you one sec
13:06<Lynx>Well, I will do a reinstall of my debian
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13:06<twb>That's probably for the best
13:06<htraki>junior01:Dont you have usb keyboard?
13:06<Lynx>and twb told me, that I can create a Raid1 array right there in the install
13:06<junior01>htraki, nope
13:07<twb>If these are big disks, I suggest you create LVM on top of the RAID1, too.
13:07<macdeem>Lynx, first you ave to figure out where you harddrive is. Which /dev/sd* it is
13:07<twb>That gives you more flexibility to resize stuff later
13:07<Lynx>/dev/hda and /dev/hdb
13:07<Lynx>I have no clue about LVM
13:07<stew>i suggest lvm on top even for small disks
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13:07<twb>stew: well, "small" to me means 2GB to 8GB
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13:08<macdeem>Lynx those are ide drives, but raid drives are scsi right, they are gonna be sda, sdb, sdc, like that, and then partitions on them are gonna be sda1, sda2, like that, but that will be take care of by cfdisk
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13:08<twb>macdeem: no
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13:08<kop>fxiny : I found part of yesterday's problem. The default fat mount type is vfat, not msdos, so grub-install was writing long file names and that was borking the fat (not vfat) filesystem that was mounted vfat. However, now that I have no problems with the directory entries, the file contents are going bad on me. :(
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13:08<Lynx>this are IDE drives
13:08<Lynx>and that's not that problem
13:08<fxiny>kop: ohhh
13:09<twb>Lynx: are you ircing from a different host from the one you're reinstalling?
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13:09<Lynx>of course
13:09<twb>Well, not necessarily ofcourse
13:09<macdeem>Lynx, IDE Raid drives, are you sure?
13:09<twb>But that makes it a lot easier
13:09<twb>macdeem: yes!
13:09<Lynx>but sometimes I have to change the CAT5, because it is a netinstall image
13:09<kop>vfat16 fs, as made by default by mkfs.vfat, has long file names. Right?
13:10<twb>You can't slap a spare NIC in the irc box and bridge it?
13:10<macdeem>well, whatever the case is, you must start with cfdisk, or just fdisk, but cfisk is so much easier to you use, and then you must do mkfs.ext3, and then you can mount
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13:10<twb>macdeem: please be quiet, since you don't seem to know anything about setting up raid.
13:10<Lynx>macdeem: It is similiar to this doc:
13:11<Lynx>well, I have a 1gbit direct uplink, no switch and no router, so it's not possible to link my 2nd computer to the internet
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13:11<twb>Fair enough.
13:11<fxiny>kop: isn't fat16 the fs nt4/w2k creates if the partition size is less then 2G or equal to ?
13:12<stew>macdeem: you seem to be assuming he is using hardware raid and not software raid. certainly ide drives can be a part of a raid, for that matter, so can a digital camera and a floppy disk, as long as they are block devices
13:12<stew>Lynx: what exactly are you trying to solve?
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13:12<Lynx>ok look
13:12<Lynx>I want Linux Software Raid1 via mdadm
13:13<kop>fxiny : That's what I thought.
13:13<Lynx>and I followed a instruction yesterday
13:13<Lynx>the problem is
13:13<hever>Hi there, I'm running apache with mod_fastcgi an suexec. To run mod_fastcgi I need a script like php-fastcgi to execute the php binary. Now I don't want to create for each virtual host this script, but it seems that if I'm running suexec. I have to create for each virtual host a php-fastcgi script. Ortherwise suexec tells me UID mismatch. Is that correct or are there alternatives ?
13:13<Lynx>that are 2 different IDE Drives, but very similiar
13:13<fxiny>kop: how do you mount it ? mount -t vfat ... -o defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 ?
13:14<Lynx>and after creating a Raid Array, I got a error that the superblock couldnt have been found
13:14<kop>fxiny : Just mount -t vfat /dev... /mnt...
13:14<twb>You probably dont even need -t vfat
13:14<stew>Lynx: you got that error when doing what?
13:14<Lynx>mounting during boot
13:14<kop>twb : No, I don't. But I got burned when my msdos fs was mounted vfat, so now I'm paranoid. :)
13:15<twb>Probably you mean that you got the error when assembling the array, which happens just before its mounted
13:15<stew>Lynx: and your root partitions is on this array?
13:15<twb>kop: you don't use freedos?
13:15<fxiny>kop: long ago , i used to mount a fat16 that way
13:15<Lynx>it WAS on the array, I am currently wiping all out from the drives
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13:16<kop>fxiny : It's driving me nuts. Now my menu.lst contents are turning to something binary-ish.
13:16<Lynx>and starting from begining
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13:16<Lynx>and I will do like twb ordered me :D
13:16<kop>twb : I'm trying to come up with a procedure to install freedos on a bootable usb stick. From linux (partly because freedos does not do usb.)
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13:16<twb>Lynx: correct me if I'm wrong: you did a d-i install to a single disk, then tried to turn it into a two-disk RAID1 array. Now you're blowing that away and using d-i to create the RAID1 array during the initial install.
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13:17<fxiny>kop: apt-cache show dosfstools
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13:17<twb>Bleh, it's 5am and I don't feel like starting work yet
13:18<twb>But if I got to bed I suspect I'll sleep `til noon
13:18<Lynx>oh, I had this problem last night, or better morning :)
13:18<twb>I need... like coffee, but for apathy instead of fatigue
13:18<kop>fxiny :
13:19<macdeem>stew, it didn't work, edit /usr/share/menu/mplayer and run 'update-menus'
13:19<kop>twb : You might find your girl for a quickie?
13:19<twb>girls are low ROI
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13:19<twb>So I don't have one.
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13:20<twb>Anyway, that would just make me sleepy.
13:20<macdeem>stew I copied a file called mplayer_32x32.png to /usr/share/pixmap/mplayer_32x32.png, and then I changed the file name in /usr/share/menu/mplayer to _32x32.png instead of the original .xpm
13:20<stew>Lynx: i've used the steps in this guide: ; its old but the steps you have to perform with creating a degraded array and recreating an initrd are correct, however you shouldn't be using mkinitrd to create initrds, you should create them with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version"
13:21<twb>macdeem: just changing the extension from .xpm to .png will not make it a PNG
13:21<macdeem>twb, no I copied the png file there
13:21<stew>twb: he's doing the right thing
13:21<macdeem>twb, I didn't change any extension
13:21<twb>stew: ok
13:21<stew>macdeem: then you ran update-menus? if that didn't work, try logging out and back in
13:21<twb>stew: I don't really know much about fancy-pants DEs
13:21<macdeem>stew, ok
13:22<stew>twb: i barely do, but i maintain packages with menu files now.
13:22<kop>fxiny : What's to see in the apt-cache output?
13:22<twb>Oh, I do that too
13:23<fxiny>kop: you can check that fs
13:23<twb>I used the menu subsystem back when I first started, on mdk
13:23<Lynx>stew: that is similiar to what I've done...but something went wrong. anyways, I'm trying with the debian installer
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13:24<kop>fxiny : Oh. Duh.
13:24<fxiny>kop: you should be able to mount/read and write a fat16 fs as vfat without problem
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13:24<fxiny>kop: i'm 100% sure i had a fat16
13:25<twb>Bah. FAT's a sucky design anyhow
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13:26<Lynx>so, I am in the partitioning screen now
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13:27<Lynx>I can choose "Physical volume for RAID"
13:28<kop>twb : I've a feeling I'm exploring the intimate crannies of it's suckyness.
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13:29<twb>Lynx: yes, do that for a partition on each disk
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13:29<twb>Lynx: then pick "manage raid" or similar from up the top
13:29<Lynx>so, I configure the hole space as 1 RAID Volume ?
13:29<twb>Lynx: and say "create raid" from "hda1" and "hdb1"
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13:29<Lynx>ya sry :S
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13:30<Lynx>whole space as "Physical Volume for RAID" ?
13:30<clone>stew, hey I finally did it, it was so easy, I just used the Alacarte Menu Editor
13:30<twb>Lemme catch up
13:30<twb>Fucking vmware locks up for two minutes whenever I halt a CentOS guest :-/
13:31<twb>clone: I was wondering about that
13:31<fxiny>alacarte du vin . the gnomish best newspaper :P
13:31<clone>twb, so easy
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13:32<Lynx>and I guess the RAID Arrays have to have the same size right?
13:32<twb>No, but for RAID1 any difference in size will be wasted
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13:32<seenu>anybody der
13:33<twb>seenu: no
13:33<twb>seenu: next question
13:33<seenu>can anyone temme how to run a java prg in gcj
13:33<clone>how much does these ide raids cost? How fast is it? SCSI drives go like 10k, oh so fast
13:33<twb>seenu: yes
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13:33<twb>clone: software raid runs on any hardware
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13:33<stew>seenu: "java -cp your:class:path" or "java -jar /path/to/jar/file"
13:34<clone>twb, don't you need a raid card?
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13:34<seenu>i mean thru GCJ
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13:34<seenu>not SUN JAVA
13:34<twb>Correct, you do not need a raid card.
13:34<Lynx>this is software raid, like the word says, software
13:34<kop>clone: And the nice thing about software raid is you don't need to keep a spare, compatible, hardware controller around in case yours breaks.
13:34<stew>seenu: yes, running something in gcj is exactly the same as sun java
13:35<twb>Indeed; md arrays can be moved between controllers easily.
13:35<stew>seenu: if gcj is not your currently default java you can run "update-alternatives --config java"
13:35<seenu>can u temme d command
13:35<Lynx>do the raid arrays need bootable flag? I think it's wayne reight?
13:35<twb>It's also easier to manage because you don't need to 1) reboot to BIOS; or 2) install non-Free software that doesn't work.
13:35<dpkg>hmm... en is english
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13:35<stew>seenu: "java -cp your:class:path" or "java -jar /path/to/jar/file" if gcj isn't default you can explicitly use "/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java" instead of "java"
13:36<clone>kop cool
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13:37<clone>I think qt rules over java
13:37<stew>i think oranges are tastier than apples
13:37<seenu>how to transfer a file here
13:37<seenu>in IRC
13:38<twb>clone: qt is a GUI toolkit. Java is a language.
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13:38<twb>seenu: apt-get install scp
13:38<clone>qt is language just like java
13:38<twb>clone: that is not correct.
13:38<clone>qt classes are just like java.swing
13:38<seenu>is qt a compiler for JAVA
13:38<clone>no, qt uses make
13:38<Gathond>seenu: qt is a GUI toolkit written in C++
13:39<stew>seenu: ignore clone, he's talking nonsense
13:39<stew>clone: please stop. you aren't making sense
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13:39<clone>qmake --project; qmake dir_name; make
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13:39<Lynx>twb: Well, there is no RAID Configuration in the debian installer :)
13:39<twb>Lynx: lies!
13:39<seenu>nyway g2g
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13:40<clone>stew, I like oranges better too
13:40<stew>Lynx: you have to first assign partitions to be "use as: raid" ro something before the raid options appear
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13:40<Lynx>and no raid option
13:41<clone>stew, Did you ever try java o/s, I think its written in java
13:41<clone>stew, gnome and kde are written in qt?
13:41<azeem>clone: do you have a debian questoin?
13:42<twb>Java was originally intended for embedded systems programming.
13:42<Lynx>I just wait until twb finishes his war with VM, then he can tell me...
13:42<twb>Lynx: sorry, am getting there
13:42<stew>clone: kde is written in c++ and gnome is written (iirc) in c (or is it also c++, or both)
13:42<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: I created a chroot environment with debootstrap. Question is, can I run apps that use X inside the chroot and have them use the X server running outside the chroot? If yes, how? Thanks
13:43<Lynx>twb: Java was designed for washing machines...
13:43<twb>Lynx: which are embedded systems
13:43<seanius>i know a place in santa cruz that's a combination laundromat and cafe
13:43<stew>clone: qt is a library that kde uses (not a language). gnome uses the gtk library instead of qt
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13:44<stew>seanius: yeah, there was one with a pub in SF named 'brain wash'
13:44<clone>stew, that is the whole point of object design, use libraries. Coding with objects is using libraries. Java is all libraries
13:44<azeem>clone: you're off-topic
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13:44<stew>clone: please stop. most of what you are saying is both false and off-topic
13:44[~]seanius hides
13:44<clone>azeem, get off my head
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13:45<twb>clone: I also would like you to shut up.
13:45<DaCapn>anyone ever do anything like this: with lenny and run into trouble opening the encrypted root device?
13:45<clone>why you guys antogonizing
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13:45<twb>clone: why are you so big-headed and ignorant?
13:45<stew>clone: just drop it and stay on topic
13:45<stew>twb: drop it
13:45<seanius>because it's both off-topic and incorrect?
13:45<twb>stew: sorry.
13:46[~]gatito_triste_ miau
13:46<clone>I've been using linux for years and never run other than a stock kernel. But when I started out, everyone saying, you gotta compile a kernel, you gotta see the baby
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13:47<twb>Lynx: <-- what I see
13:47<clone>Whats up with intel, why won't they release their source code for their wireless nics, what secrets would that reveal?
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13:48<stew>clone: they do release the source code for thier nics
13:49<kop>fxiny : No fs errors from fsck. Yet when I umount, unplug, replug, mount the usb stick the menu.lst file content changes to trash. :(
13:49<stew>clone: if you mean the firmware, it would enable to use their cards illegally by using them out of band or as a jamming device, and they are thus bound by law not to help you
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13:49<Lynx>twb: This screenshot is useless to me
13:49<clone>stew, oh
13:50<clone>whats that ftp link about?
13:50<seanius>stew: that's kind of a BS argument, butyeah that's what they say
13:50<twb>What are you looking at, if not something like that?
13:50<Lynx>What do you want to tell me :D
13:50<Lynx>It's just a screenshot of IRC
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13:50<twb>Is it?
13:50<Lynx>lol :>
13:50<twb>import(1) lag
13:50<clone>stew, It just that I never ran wireless on debian yet, I know their are some wireless nicks that work, I wonder if there is a list, I'm sure there is,
13:51<kop>fxiny : I've fscked at every step while the stick is pugged on.
13:51<Supaplex>seanius: just look at what happened to karma and the atheros patch :)
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13:51<twb>Lynx: refresh now
13:51<clone>so who is ignoring me now, I can't tell
13:51<Lynx>i'm using this text based installer
13:52<Lynx>not this graphic one
13:52<twb>It should be the same set of options
13:52<Lynx>ya, it would be very nice if so
13:52<clone>twb, what does it mean to be big-headed?
13:53<twb>So you have a partition entry "raid" somewhere there, but no "Configure software RAID" at the top?
13:53<simonrvn>fat head coneheads ;p
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13:53<clone>I over-compensate for a small dick
13:54<clone>I wish I was a linux guru/genius
13:54<Lynx>well, then I will start the graphic installation
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13:54<twb>The code behind the front-ends is identical
13:55<twb> are using the Etch debian-installer, right?
13:55<Supaplex>may be too graphic for nonnoobs ;)
13:55<ra9ftm>Hello all. I need a help with LVM. I need to rename physical volume.
13:55<Supaplex>ra9ftm: lvrename
13:55<Lynx>that drives me crazy -.-
13:55<ra9ftm>So now it is dev/hdb5. I need to change it to /dev/hda5
13:56<Supaplex>ra9ftm: oh wait, you said rename pv, not lv.
13:56<twb>ra9ftm: that's not renaming
13:56<ra9ftm>I changing my IDE drive from Slave to Master.
13:56<Supaplex>ra9ftm: that has almost nothing to do with lvm.
13:56<twb>ra9ftm: it didnt Just Work?
13:57<Lynx>twb: did you start "installgui" or "expertgui"
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13:57<DaCapn>Lynx I know you've been going through this issue for a while with people, but what is this problem you're having with RAID?
13:57<twb>Lynx: I'm booting directly from a kernel and ramdisk
13:58<twb>It defaults to GTK unless I do vga=normal
13:58<Lynx>DaCapn: I am too stupid for this as you can see.
13:58<ra9ftm>when I trying to change it to master, it stop booting and said me that I should type CTRL-G to continue or enter root password and fix errors.
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13:59<twb>ra9ftm: hm
13:59<ra9ftm>But if I type CTRL-G system boots up and working correctly
13:59<twb>ra9ftm: oh, that
13:59<twb>ra9ftm: that's probably root=/dev/silly in your grub menu.lst
13:59<DaCapn>Lynx what specifically is your problem with RAID though in the installer. I JUST configured an array a couple days ago so it's fresh in my mind
13:59<Lynx>So you know the partioning programm during install?
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14:00<Lynx>You can say: Physical RAID Volume
14:00<Lynx>okay, I am doing this etc. etc. and then I should somehow configure the RAID, but there is no option
14:00<stew>Lynx: i don't recall specifically, but perhaps you have to commit the partition changes first?
14:00<DaCapn>it's at the top of the list
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14:01<DaCapn>the option to configure the software raid is at the top if you have selected those changes, then it prompts to write the changes to disk first
14:01<Lynx>k wait a sec
14:02<Supaplex>must ... lart ... websites that maximize windows ... DIE
14:02<DaCapn>so yeah, you do have to write the changes before configuring the RAID but you write the changes by selecting the "configure RAID" option
14:02<Supaplex>ok, so now that I've disabled that feature, how do I shrink iceweasel after it's maximized in flwm?
14:03<Supaplex>I have no titlebar
14:03<ra9ftm>twb hm, don't think it is grub, it give me that some logs are in /var/log/fsck.
14:03<Lynx>DaCapn: You are so right.
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14:03<Lynx>Thank you :)
14:03<DaCapn>so that's all you need?
14:03<twb>Lynx: [1-4].jpg
14:03<fxiny>kop: nmot sure if this help . a question : what says : file menu.lst , before the "trash" ?
14:04<junior01>I install kernel 2.6.24-rc5, but now i need install kernel-hearders...this apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) dont work
14:04<twb>Oops, [0-3]
14:04<twb>That's what I see
14:04<Lynx>what is the clue behind this MD Arrays?
14:05<Lynx>When there are partition 1, 2, 3 then I need only 1 MD Array?
14:05<twb>md = linux software raid
14:06<twb>For RAID1, you normally have one partition per disk per array
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14:06<twb>So if you have a single array, and two disks, you'd have ONE array (/dev/md0) composed of one partition per disk (/dev/hd[ab]1)
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14:08<Lynx>Well, then when I have two disks, and I want several partitions, then I can have several arrays, but I needn't?
14:08<twb>Lynx: why do you want several partitions?
14:08<Supaplex>more is painful
14:08<DaCapn>Lynx are you trying to boot from root filesystem in a RAID?
14:08<fxiny>less is delicious
14:08<Lynx>DaCapn: Yes.
14:09<Supaplex>and view is diVIne
14:09<DaCapn>did you read about the upshots of doing that?
14:09<DaCapn>because I came across some materials that seemed to indicate that it is non-trivial
14:09<twb>DaCapn: it's a non-issue to use grub with RAID1 /boot
14:09<fxiny>first thing i do on a fresh install is : a decent vim , screen and less !
14:09<twb>It's easy.
14:10<Lynx>So, it is better I only use just 1 partition for root and the rest
14:10<fxiny>kop: are you here ?
14:10<DaCapn>twb I guess I remember seeing that, now that you mention it, but isn't RAID5 more difficult or soemthing?
14:10<twb>DaCapn: yes.
14:10<twb>DaCapn: you can't boot grub off RAID5 /boot AFAIK
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14:11<twb>Lynx: the best layout is as follows: 256MB hd[ab]1 as md0 as /boot. 200GB hd[ab]2 as md1 as LVM PV. 4GB LVM LV as root as /. 80GB LVM LV as home as /home.
14:12<twb>Note that this leaves considerable space free, because it is easier to grow partitions on the fly than to shrink them.
14:13<twb>For a server, I'd only give / 2GB to begin with. A "do everything" workstation might need 8 or even 12.
14:13<ra9ftm>twb I am here again. Where can I put some logs, that you could see? it is /var/log/fsck
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14:13<Lynx>Oh dear, to much magic for today
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14:13<fxiny>kop : could that fat problem a nasty CR LN issue ? dunno what fat16 wants . flip could fix it , flip can convert binary files too so , file notrash and file trash should tell you
14:14<fxiny>fat is the E in Zurg :P
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14:16<Lynx>twb: /boot as RAID Array?
14:17<DaCapn>Lynx yeah, he's saying that you should make 2 RAID1's
14:17<ra9ftm>twb: ok, here it is: Some problem with /dev/hdb1 (it is root partition). But now drive is /dev/hda. There is no /dev/hdb drive in system.
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14:17<twb>Lynx: ideally, you'd have everything in a single partition on each disk, and this would be a single RAID1 array. You'd then put LVM on top of this so you can have "virtual partitions" that can be resized and moved between physical disks while the system is running
14:17<ra9ftm>twb: and here is what gives fdisk:
14:18<twb>Lynx: because grub legacy is very stupid, the /boot subtree can't be put there, it needs to be on a separate partition.
14:18<Lynx>hm okaaaay
14:18<twb>Lynx: we then RAID1 this partition across both disks so that Debian will update both disks at once, even though grub only uses one of them at boot time
14:18<twb>ra9ftm: I need to know what the root=... setting is in grub
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14:19<Lynx>I see
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14:19<ra9ftm>twb: it is.... Hm!!! I can't to see /boot directory now :(
14:19<twb>ra9ftm: also check /etc/mdadm/*
14:20<twb>ra9ftm: I think it's hard-coded there, but that might just be a cache
14:20<twb>You probably need to assemble the- oh wait, wrong problem
14:20<twb>Nope, I've never done this before. Or if I have, it just auto-detected everything.
14:20[~]fxiny watches toy1and2 , swiftly drinks "oh la la le vin brule'" and sends the resulting burps to Supaplex
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14:21<ra9ftm>twb: no, there is no /etc/mdadm/ directory
14:21<twb>ra9ftm: yes, I was talking nonsense
14:21<twb>ra9ftm: do you actually have a slave on the first bus at the moment?
14:22<ra9ftm>twb: ok, I mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt
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14:22<mikecartel>il y a t'il des français ?
14:23<ra9ftm>twb: so in grub/menu.lst here is string:
14:23<ra9ftm>kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/mapper/mandarin-root ro
14:23<twb>ra9ftm: ok, that's fine
14:23[~]dpkg takes a big bite out of's jugular vein
14:23<clone>any recommendation on linux wireless?
14:23<mikecartel>do you speak french ?
14:23<clone>which wireless nic one should one buy that is cheap
14:23<twb>!fr >mikecartel
14:24<Supaplex>!hi > fxiny
14:24<Supaplex>uh, that no work...
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14:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
14:24<mikecartel>thank you
14:25<Supaplex>twb must be thinking of some other bot on a based on debian distro channel. :)
14:25<ra9ftm>clone: hi, you need to chouse adapter, that will be fully supported by Linux kernel. )
14:25<twb>Bollocks, I've seen that work before
14:25<twb>!fr >twb
14:25<clone>ra9ftm, hehe, thats my question
14:25<Supaplex>!fr >twb
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14:25<Supaplex>oh, maybe it's the space after my >
14:25<fxiny>!zurg Supaplex
14:25<Supaplex>makes tab completion lame :(
14:25<twb>!fr > twb
14:26<twb>!fr | twb
14:26<ra9ftm>clone: I installed madwifi with my D-Link card. It works fine.
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14:26<stew>that doesn't work with blootbot, maybe with supybot (like ubotu?)
14:26<fxiny>what ? no zurg factoid !
14:26<Supaplex>the >nick works
14:26<Supaplex>but > nick doesn't
14:26<fxiny>wt4x !
14:26<stew>it does?
14:26<clone>what kind of dlink, cause I have one usb, and it doesn't work
14:26<Supaplex>!fr >stew
14:27<fxiny>is alive
14:27<ra9ftm>clone: it is PCI card here.
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14:27<Supaplex>when I !fr >twb, I got 19:24 <dpkg> Someone already said that 8 seconds ago
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14:27<Supaplex>weirdness. *shrug*
14:27<clone>ra9ftm, no usb, this is like jeapordy, I give the answer and then you ask the question, haha
14:27<stew>clone: i'd recommend asking #wireless on
14:28<Supaplex>clone: athreos is pretty stable
14:28<Supaplex>I wonder if I should toss my cardbus adapter on fleabay
14:28<fxiny>yahhhh i'll give you 10p
14:28<twb>You want to know something weird?
14:28<clone>what about TrendNet, its cheap
14:29<Supaplex>twb: shoot :)
14:29<twb>Yesterday I saw a shop on the high street that said "online auction! We sell your stuff on ebay!"
14:29<Supaplex>clone: yea I should anex those. little to no support, and shoddy stability
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14:29<twb>Am I the only one that finds it bizarre and weird that a physical shop is somehow fronting for ebay?
14:29<Supaplex>twb: people are lazy, those shops capitalize on that
14:30<Supaplex>there are a few in the valley here.
14:30<clone>Supaplex, the one dlink usb wireless I have is supposed to work using prism but I couldn't get it going, do you have to compile a kernel for wireless, or should you plug it in, and insmod
14:30<twb>You'd still have to get >whatever< to the shop
14:30<stew>twb: we've got two of them here
14:30<ameyer>there are a couple around here, I think
14:30<Supaplex>clone: you might have to use m-a.
14:30<Supaplex>!tell clone -about m-a
14:31<twb>It'd be ace if bot manufacturers standardized their message formats
14:31<twb>erbot uses "tell foo about bar", but I'm sure I saw "bar >foo" somewhere
14:31<stew>there is a blootbot compatible factoid engine as an alternative for supy
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14:33<dpkg>hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
14:33<clone>Supaplex, thanks
14:34<ra9ftm>twb: Can you say anything on my trouble with LVM?
14:34<twb>ra9ftm: nope, sorry
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14:35<Supaplex>ra9ftm: uhm, how are master slave pata/ide devices related to lvm? Do you really know what lvm is?
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14:36<Supaplex>ahh, so it's a mix of softraid and lvm. I see the mapper line in /lastlog
14:36<dpkg>i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid., or make-kpkg --initrd
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14:37<Supaplex>ra9ftm: you catcht he last part of what dpkg says here, right? you're using an initrd?
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14:37<twb>I don't understand how people can bear to NOT use a ramdisk for a workstation in this day and age
14:38<clone>do you need drivers for wireless keyboards and mouse?
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14:40<ra9ftm>What it is file in grub boot folder?
14:40<Supaplex>clone: ps2? certianly no, usb? nothing special (usually)
14:40<ra9ftm>it containts string: (hd0) /dev/hdb
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14:41<Supaplex>was his nameohhhh
14:41<clone>Supaplex, you do for usb?
14:41<Supaplex>clone: afaik it's integrated as part of hid
14:41<dpkg>it has been said that hid is the Human Input Devices and predates USB by a good decade
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14:42<twb>Far more than a decade
14:42<twb>babbage engines had human input devices
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14:43<Supaplex>the first cabbage patch engine? huh? =%-)
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14:52<clone>my system crashed cause of my downloads, that why it is important to partition your disk and not install everything in one partition like my lazy ass idd
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14:53<fxiny>crashed ? it can't be
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14:54<fxiny>ahh one partition ? ok
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14:55<eliteforce>hey, has anyone tried ventrilo 3 server on etch yet? i couldn't even extract it on my etch machine
14:55<ra9ftm>Hmm. My Debian still gives me a error on boot and don't whant to mount /dev/hda1 to /boot automatically. Here is error log:
14:57<fxiny>hda1 or hdb1 ? :
14:58<fxiny> >> No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hdb1
14:58<ra9ftm>fxiny: All worked ok, when my drive was Slave (so hdb). Now I need to change it to Master (hda) ! So there is no /dev/hdb1 in system now...
14:59<fxiny>check your fstab . your paste shows hdb1 as the target
14:59<ra9ftm>I found that script /etc/init.d/ checks my file systems and writes log to /var/log/fsck
15:00<ra9ftm>fxiny: ok, in fstab I have string: /dev/hdb1 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2
15:00<ra9ftm>now changed to hda1
15:00<ra9ftm>ok, I will reboot now.
15:00<clone>if you do that raid lvm to your ide disk does it run faster?
15:01<ra9ftm>clone: hmmm, don't know, I think it will be easy to modify partition sizes....
15:02<clone>ra9ftm, I see
15:03<fxiny>you don't modify , you add volumes
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15:04<ra9ftm>ok, rebooted with no errors.
15:04<ra9ftm>fxiny, thank you very mach for help!
15:04<fxiny>ra9ftm: np
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15:09<Lynx>so RAID is active now, also LVM
15:10<Lynx>seems to work
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15:15<Lynx>well thx twb for support :)
15:15<Lynx>and others
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15:27<clone>I installed linux-wlan-ng using module-assistant, but now when I do iwconfig, it still show no wireless extensions, what should I do
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15:28<ra9ftm>clone: what shows lspci ?
15:29<mcBullet>yay i jsut got irc
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15:30<ra9ftm>clone: Are you shure your card really supported by linux-wlan-ng? may be try madwifi...
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15:32<daniel_>join #ubuntu-games
15:32<daniel_>Shit! xDD
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15:33<clone>ra9ftm, willdo
15:33<clone>ra9ftm, its just says ma111 v1
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15:38<dondelelcaro>mcBullet: please don't do that.
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15:42<uruca>HELP, gnu ddrescue, quando crea un immagine ISO di un disco, cancella i file contenuti nel disco di destinazione anche se c'è abbastanza spazio per tutto?
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15:43<dpkg>[ge] Georgia
15:44<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:44<latenal>hello, i can't mount usb device
15:44<latenal>mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
15:45<uruca>HELP, gnu ddrescue destroys data on destination disk when writing an iso image? either if there's enough space for all data, too?
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15:46<clone>I wanna buy this for Linux: TRENDnet TEW-423PI PCI Wireless Adapter - 54Mbps, 802.11g
15:46<clone>or Zonet ZEW1602 PCI Wireless Adapter - 54Mbps, 802.11g
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15:47<JasonS>help with what mcBullet
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15:48<uruca>HELP, gnu ddrescue destroys data on destination disk when writing an iso image? either if there's enough space for all data, too? It's running now, should I stop it to undelete my data?
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15:49<JasonS>we saw you the first time uruca, be more patient
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15:50<uruca>JasonS, yes i should be patient, you're right, but i'm risking my data in this moment, excuse my impatience
15:50<JasonS>uruca: perhaps but asking that often is a quick way to get ignored
15:51<uruca>JasonS, ok, thanks
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15:51<ameyer>I sense an impending flood
15:52<JasonS>heh saw that coming a mile away
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15:52<JasonS>ameyer: indeed
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15:52<JasonS>when does school start again? hopefully they'll be too busy then to be childish
15:52<simonrvn>peLin_ is a spammer
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15:53<simonrvn>!ops peLin_ is a spammer
15:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: peLin_ is a spammer
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15:53<JasonS>simonrvn: all ready gone
15:53<stew>simonrvn: its being dealt with at the network level
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15:55<stew>uruca: what command are you running exactly?
15:55<uruca>stew, sudo ddrescue -v /dev/hdb1 /media/disk/buruca/Recovered.iso /media/disk/buruca/ddrescue.log
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15:56<uruca>stew, thanks for your attention
15:57<stew>uruca: that will craete a file in the directory /media/disk/buruca, it shouldn't destroy any data in /media/disk/buruca unless a file named Recovered.iso already existed
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15:58<uruca>stew, I think same, but i read on a webpage that it will replace all, perhaps with a different command, or option?
15:58<simonrvn>looks like a botnet attack (again)
15:59<uruca>stew, all my files are in /media/disk/... while /buruca is a dir created for the backup
15:59<stew>uruca: if you were to run something like ddrescue -v /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 ; it would destroy data on /dev/hdc1 partition, but you are writing to a file, not a block device
16:00<uruca>stew, ok, thanks, now I stay better :-)
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16:00<uruca>stew, bye
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16:02<latenal>i can't mount usb device. I modprobed usb-storage and edited fstab.
16:02<stew>latenal: what happens when you try to mount it?
16:02<latenal>stew: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
16:03<stew>latenal: does /dev/sda1 exist? is sd_mod loaded?
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16:04<latenal>stew: how to check if sd_mod loaded?
16:04<stew>latenal: with lsmod
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16:06<latenal>stew: sd_mod 10764 0 (autoclean) (unused)
16:07<stew>latenal: what makes you think it should be /dev/sda1 and not some other drive like /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdc1? have you checked dmesg?
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16:08<latenal>stew: :) i followed the article
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16:08<stew>latenal: can you show us the output of "
16:08<stew>"ls -l /dev/sd*"
16:08<stew>latenal: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:12<latenal>stew: should I paste into a new tab (dpkg)?
16:13<clone>I cannot install hostap using the module assistant, it says maybe I have to add something to sources.list like contrib or nonfree
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16:14<stew>latenal: paste it to and give us the resulting url
16:15<stew>clone: you don't need to install anything for hostap, its included in all debian current kernels already
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16:15<stew>latenal: what does "uname -r" say?
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16:15<clone>stew, what about module-assistant, it says I don't have it
16:16<latenal>stew: 2.4.27-2-386
16:16<stew>clone: you don't need module-assistant in this case, module-assistant is for compiling add-on modules from source for modules which are missing from the kernel. this module is not missing from the kernel,
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16:16<stew>clone: module-assistant is telling you that you don't have source to compile hostap, but you don't need it
16:16<stew>latenal: what version of debian are you running?
16:17<latenal>stew: 3.1r3 sarge
16:17<clone>stew, hmm, but iwconfig says no wireless extensions, but I have a wireless usb pluged in. What can I do?
16:17<stew>latenal: this guilde was assuming that you were running a 2.6 kernel and udev
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16:17<stew>clone: what chipset does your wireless have?
16:18<stew>latenal: can you run "modprobe -r usb-storage ; modprobe usb-storage ; dmesg | tail" and pastebin the results?
16:18<clone>stew prism 3
16:19<latenal>stew: min
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16:20<stew>clone: i don't know if hostap supports prism3, i know it supports prism2 and maybe 2.5, are you sure that it supports prism3?
16:20<clone>well, I saw some posting that someone used the prism 2/2.5 driver for it
16:22<stew>clone: they have a prism2 not a prism3
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16:23<clone>stew, I have the same nic he has. ma111
16:23<stew>clone: you have a nic that has the same model number as he, but is completely different on the inside. blame your manuracturer for not being kind enough to change the model number when they completely reworked the device
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16:24<Zingaro>i paste a problem...can someone help me?
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16:24<clone>stew, oh, but how do you know what chipset I have?
16:24<clone>stew, hehe I sure don't
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16:25<stew>Zingaro: just copy / symlink your font so that it is /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz and that will be automatically loaded at boot, or when you run "/etc/init.d/ restart"
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16:25<stew>clone: i have no idea. i was going on what you had told me
16:25<stew>clone: i can tell you for sure that there have been multiple completely incompatible versions of 'ma111'
16:25<clone>stew, thats what I mean, I have no idea either. If that guy says its a prism 2, then so would I
16:25<Zingaro>thx stew
16:25<Zingaro>i use framebuffer
16:26<clone>stew, How can I find out my chipset so I can install the correct driver?\
16:26<Zingaro>the fonts i want have psf.gz extension
16:26<stew>clone: google for "ma111 prism3" and you will find just as many hits with people that have prism3 based ma111 as do prism2 ma111
16:26<Zingaro>do i copy them in etc/console?
16:27<stew>latenal: your device was plugged in at the time that you did that?
16:27<clone>stew, I see, so I can I find out my chipset though?
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16:27<latenal>stew: yes
16:27<stew>Zingaro: yes, you can just run "cp /usr/share/consolefonts/whateverpsf.gz /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz ; /etc/init.d/ restart"
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16:28<Zingaro>thx i try now
16:28<stew>Zingaro: wait
16:28<stew>Zingaro: don't
16:28<clone>stew, is there a good chance that my nic isn't supported at all?
16:29<stew>Zingaro: i'm crazy. don't listen to me, i'm mixing up console fonts and console keymaps
16:29<Zingaro>in fact...
16:29<Zingaro>ok no problem
16:29<Zingaro>i have two script that work on font
16:29<Zingaro>but don't work
16:29<clone>I only see like five drivers for usb nics on, so I guess I should go about trying them all untill one works. When one does work, I can verify this just by typing iwconfig, and if it shows a wireless nic, I am good to go?
16:30<Zingaro>after installed kbd
16:30<stew>Zingaro: everything i told you was about console keymap. if you want to edit the console font, i don't really know, but i'd start by looking at what /etc/init.d/ does
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16:30<Zingaro> very complicated my problem
16:30<stew>clone: afaik prism3 is supported
16:30<Zingaro>do you see mistakes in the script i pasted?
16:31<ryuuku>hello i m new can you help me
16:31<Zingaro>hello ryuuku
16:31<clone>stew, afaik? you mean phony? What should I do?
16:31<dpkg>somebody said afaik was as far as I know
16:31<stew>clone: i'm under the impression that prism3 is supported
16:32<ryuuku>but i don't speak english very well , i speak french
16:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
16:32<clone>stew, hmmm, what is the driver called?
16:32<clone>I am looking at
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16:32<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
16:32<stew>clone: i don't know, i'd have to google for it
16:33<stew>Zingaro: so that fails when you try to run it from the command line? or does it work and just not work when run from init?
16:33<Zingaro>the script seems to work
16:33<clone>stew, oh yeah, I did google, that why I was installing hostap
16:33<Zingaro>but as you read
16:33<Zingaro>can't open file
16:34<Zingaro>but if i launch the command alone work
16:34<Zingaro>is from this morning that i fight with this problem
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16:35<danf_1979>Is kde4 in sid?
16:35<stew>Zingaro: it looks to me like you really just want to edit /etc/console-tools/config
16:35<melkor_>no isn
16:35<stew>danf_1979: /msg dpkg pdo
16:35<Zingaro>because i remove console-tools
16:36<Zingaro>because it don't work with fonts 20x10
16:36<Zingaro>so i installed kbd
16:36<melkor_>kde4 is in experimental
16:36<melkor_>i think
16:36<Zingaro>so i edit /etc/kbd/config
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16:37<Zingaro>but i want write anothe script
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16:37<Zingaro>doesn't work
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16:38<Zingaro>kbd use setfont
16:38<Zingaro>console-tools uses consolechar
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16:39<Zingaro>i know...time ago it worked!!!
16:39<Zingaro>now no
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16:40<clone>stew, why does module-assistant include hostap if it is already included in kernel, some kernel come without it?
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16:45<latenal>stew: what's the problem in your opinion?
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16:46<clone>latenal, what are referring to?
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16:47<latenal>clone: i cant mount a usb device: is not valid block device
16:47<clone>what command are you using
16:48<latenal>mount /media/usb0
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16:48<stew>latenal: i'm not sure. but i'm probably recommend trying a 2.6 kernel instead of 2.4
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16:49<stew>clone: for compiling hostap for the sarge (aka oldstable) kernel which didn't include hostap
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16:49<clone>try mount /dev/usb(tab) to see all those available, once you pick on do mount /dev/usb(picked_on) /your mount point directory
16:49<clone>stew, I see
16:50<clone>so when sid is stable, probably it will be removed by then eh?
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16:51<JasonS>clone: sid will never be stable
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16:51<clone>JasonS, kde or gnome?
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16:52<JasonS>clone: i mean the debian distro named sid, it will always be unstable
16:52<Supaplex>!tell clone -about sid
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16:52<clone>JasonS, hehe, I knew what you meant
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16:53<clone>JasonS, oooh, what is the testing version called currently
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16:53<JasonS>clone: lenny
16:54<clone>ok, so replace what I said about from sid to lenny
16:54<clone>JasonS, when do you expect lenny to be stable, how long did it take from sarge to etch?
16:54<latenal>stew: then i'll try another kernel. what is better?
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16:55<JasonS>clone: no idea to be honest, sometime before the next decade hopefully :)
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16:56<zaikxtox>hello. the script on /etc/init.d/gdm fails to start or stop gdm
16:56<zaikxtox>but if i run gdm as root it works flawless
16:57<clone>zaikxtox, yeah, you must run gdm as root
16:57<clone>zaikxtox, its like that on all of our computers
16:57<zaikxtox>clone, yes, but... i men
16:57<zaikxtox>if i run s root: /etc/init.d/gdm start
16:58<zaikxtox>it does not start
16:58<zaikxtox>if i run as root
16:58<zaikxtox>it works fine
16:58<zaikxtox>the script is failing at start_daemon $DAEMON
16:58<zaikxtox>where $DAEMON is /usr/sbin/gdm
16:58<clone>zaikxtox, I don't know about that one
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16:59<clone>zaikxtox, maybe its just a matter of symbolic links
16:59<clone>c ya'll, thanks for all ya'll help and company
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17:00<zaikxtox>mmmmmmh... strange thing. the problem is that as the init.d script fails so apt-get remove --purge gdm does not work
17:01<bcounts>hello. I need to mod my grub file but dont know the latest kernel ver for etch. After install of Lenny, grub failed to find etch on another hd.
17:01<Supaplex>zaikxtox: edit the init script to 'exit 0' on line 2
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17:01<zaikxtox>and then reinstall... no bad idea
17:01<zaikxtox>i will try that
17:01<Supaplex>zaikxtox: you'll need this to, 1m
17:01<Supaplex>!tell zaikxtox -about confmiss
17:01<Supaplex>just in case :)
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17:02<zaikxtox>Supaplex, that's a marvell... i like it
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17:05<stew>latenal: a 2.6 kernel. which cpu do you have? you should also consider an upgrade to the current version of debian (you are running the previous version of debian, released in 2005)
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17:06<zaikxtox>Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
17:06<zaikxtox>je... i have a mistreious bug
17:06<latenal>stew: athlon 1700 XP+
17:06<stew>latenal: "aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7" to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel
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17:09<latenal>stew: if i execute it now, what will happen?.. nothing bad?
17:10<stew>latenal: it would install a newer kernel. do you know if you run lilo or grub/
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17:10<latenal>stew: grub
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17:11<stew>latenal: then everything it should "JustWork". after aptitude install... you should be able to reboot into the new kernel
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17:11<Nazcafan>Ok I already asked about here an there and googled it but found nothing. Yesterday, after I dist-upgraded my lenny box, the interface font of iceweasel and icedove suddendly became bold. I noticed that selecting a font size <12 pts as "application font" in gnome-appearance-blahblah changed the font appearance back to normal, but 11 pts is a little small for me
17:12<Nazcafan>Does any one face the same problem with iceweasel when setting the "application font" to at least 12 points in gnome-appearance-properties ?
17:13<Supaplex>Nazcafan: can you test it as a new user?
17:13<Nazcafan>Supaplex: I will
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17:13<stew>that happens for me as well. i dont' believe it is a actually setting a 'bold' font, i think it is selecting a bond that in the normal weight just happens to look particularly bold
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17:14<Nazcafan>stew: so why does the font does not appear as "bold" in the other applications, as xchat or even the gnome menu bar, then ?
17:15<stew>Nazcafan: becuase it is a different font (is my guess)
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17:16<Nazcafan>stew: so iceweasel suddently decided to pick another font than my default font after this upgrade?
17:16<stew>Nazcafan: i don't know. mine has been behaving the way yours has for a few years
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17:16<Supaplex>Nazcafan: if you think it's isolated to iceweasel, downlod the old deb (if it's not already in your cache), and manually install it ala dpkg -i
17:17<stew>Nazcafan: i mean, the behaviour you are seeing NOW i have been seeing for a long time
17:17<Supaplex>well, I'd check bts before going though the trouble
17:17<Nazcafan>Supaplex: stew it is not only iceweasel, it also happens with icedove, which has not been updated by this dist-upgrade (in am 100% sure it hasn't)
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17:18<stew>Nazcafan: i don't know. iceweasel is only client i use with any regularity that uses scalable fonts
17:18<Nazcafan>Plus whatever font I chose in gnome-appearance, it appears bolder in iceweasel and icedove
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17:19<Nazcafan>I take back what I said
17:19<Nazcafan>Not whatever font
17:19<Nazcafan>that does not happen with arial
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17:20<Nazcafan>How weird
17:20<Nazcafan>I liked my sans font
17:21<Nazcafan>not bold sans font
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17:22<bcounts>After reading the grub man, i now see how to add etch, on my slave, to ther grub. My question is that since I will add the kernel ver. manually, will I have to manually update it for new kernels, or should it update itself? Grub failed to find the 2nd os after installing Lenny.
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17:23<Nazcafan>I think I found what happens
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17:27<Nazcafan>The "font gap" for bold appearance is between 12 pts and 13 pts
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17:28<Nazcafan>However, iceweasel and icedove seem to have suddently stopped using exactly 12 pts, but rather something like 13 pts
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17:30<Nazcafan>I hate them !
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17:52<latenal>huh,, i've just updated my kernel. there were a plenty of errors while it's loading. how to fix them?
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17:54<shardz_ez>whats that CLI dvd burner/iso program?
17:54<azeem>shardz_ez: wodim
17:55<stew>latenal: what errors?
17:55<shardz_ez>ah yes
17:55<shardz_ez>its changed recently, used to be cdburn or something
17:55<latenal>stew: including fatal errors
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17:57<dpkg>it has been said that wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See about the release notice.
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18:00<latenal>stew: dmesg says
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18:01<witte>latenal: is there a reason that you are updating to a very old kernel.
18:02<stew>latenal: that all looks good
18:02<stew>witte: that is the most current kenrel for his release
18:03<stew>witte: and he upgraded becuase 2.4.27 wasnt seeing his usb drive
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18:05<witte>ah, ok, i was not following the channel it seems :-)
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18:07<latenal>myabe it would be better to install another debian? i'm new adn i dont want to have many problems..
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18:09<stew>latenal: try running "modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod" then attach your device, then show us the output of "dmesg | tail"
18:09<stew>latenal: as I said before, you might consider upgrading to the current version of debian: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
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18:11<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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18:13<latenal>stew: there's nothing
18:14<Steven_M>hi all
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18:15<latenal>ooh! forgot to plug in
18:15<Steven_M>does anyone here use apt-file?
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18:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
18:16<stew>latenal: there, now it is recognized at /dev/sda ; "fdisk -l /dev/sda" should list partitions (if any) on the drive, you should be able to, for instance, "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
18:17<Steven_M>I want to change where apt-file checks for sources, is there anyway of doing that?
18:17<stew>Steven_M: /etc/apt/apt-file.conf
18:19<stew>Steven_M: well do you mean that you want it to look at some mirror other than the one in your sources.list?
18:20<kop>This just bopped into my head, so forgive me if the answer's obvious. What's the right way to change the background of the (kde? gdm?) login screen, and have it regularly change via cron? Seems to me the tricky part would be restarting gdm/kdm, but only if somebody's not logged in? Any thoughts on how to approach this?
18:20<stew>latenal: it appears to be unpartitioned, if there is actually data in it, then i'd expect, "mount /dev/sda /mnt" to mount it to /mnt
18:21<latenal>hooray!! it works!! :))))))))
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18:21<latenal>thank you
18:22<Steven_M>stew: I mean I want it to use a different file other than /etc/apt/sources.list
18:22<kop>latenal : The other way to get info is "file -s /dev/sda", which can be safely done whether sda is mounted or not.
18:23<stew>Steven_M: man apt-file
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18:25<latenal>kop: thanks
18:25<Steven_M>stew: I've done that couldn't find what I was looking for.
18:26<stew>Steven_M: search on in that manpage for sources.list
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18:28<kop>Steven_M : man apt.conf indicates something like: -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/etc/apt/anothersources.list maybe
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18:30<stew>kop: apt-file ignores apt.conf
18:31<stew>oh i lied, it doesn't
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18:34<lupine>With udev, how do I rename a network interface?
18:34<stew>lupine: /msg dpkg z25
18:34<lupine>ah, thanks
18:35<lupine>I did find that file, but was having trouble interpreting it. I'll have another look
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18:37<stew>lupine: just set the NAME="____" to be the name you want to give it. it is done by mac address "ip link" will list all of the MAC addresses on your machine
18:37<DaCapn>I had some trouble getting etch to recognize sata drives on a 64 bit system, is it any different on 32 bit?
18:38<stew>DaCapn: it shoudln't be any different, you might try /msg dpkg kmuto
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18:41<DaCapn>okay... well... let's see how this goes then. Thanks stew. I had to go for lenny but the packages I need are in sid and appear to be there for a reason.
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18:48<shardz_ez>how does one go about installing unrar (non-free)
18:49<azeem>shardz_ez: man apt-get
18:49<azeem>shardz_ez: /msg dpkg non-free
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18:50<shardz_ez>ah, so just put 'main contrib non-free'
18:50<shardz_ez>ty much
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18:51<azeem>Don_: please don't spam
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18:52<Don_>azeem, sorry
18:52<ra9ftm>is anybody using package iproute for trafic shaping?
18:53<petemc>i wasnt aware you could
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18:58<Steven_M>does anyone know which debian package contains the emerald window decorator for compiz?
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18:59<azeem>Steven_M: I don't think emerald is in Debian
18:59<elky>Steven_M, emerald was for beryl
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19:10<DaCapn>looks like this kmuto iso might do the trick, thanks again stew
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19:29<klando>I am looking for help configuring pulseaudio. some weblink for debian ?
19:32<shardz_ez>i should be able to access a windows(98) hardrive if i plug it into a splitted IDE cable and boot the machine, right?
19:32<azeem>shardz_ez: harddrives aren't operation system specific
19:32<azeem>only partitions can be
19:33<shardz_ez>right, but i wonder which drive will boot
19:33<shardz_ez>guess i should make a boot floppy
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19:37<Grey>E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
19:37<Grey>What have I ballsed up this time?
19:37<azeem>Grey: what command were you running?
19:38<Grey>aptitude install anything
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19:39<Grey>I tried aptitude clean, aptitude forget-new. Anything that vaugly sounded helpful in aptitude -h
19:39<azeem>try to reinstall that package, rather
19:41<Grey>Same as running kernel...
19:41<Grey>Going ahead with it anyways!
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19:43<Grey>Completed OK, attempting to install gnome again
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20:00<tilda140>how do I switch window managers?
20:01<dondelelcaro>tilda140: install a different one and exec it instead in your .xsession; other methods depend on your DM
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20:19<bernardo>how is Wine used?
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20:49<rabby>mounting a sshfs with fuse as user makes me accessing common files/dir. but what does not work, is a symlink :(
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20:50<rabby>can You tell me, please, how to get the symlink on the sshfs host work?
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21:08<predder>If I wanted a complete package list of every deb in etch, i386 would I parse /dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Contents.gz and get the "Filename: pool/main/a/asdf_i386.deb" line?
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21:24<dondelelcaro>predder: just use grep-aptavail or similar
21:24<dondelelcaro>something like grep-aptavail -n -sPackage '.'; is probably what you want
21:26<predder>thanks, I'll check that out
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22:09<rogi_cps>não há ningupem neste canal?
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22:10<bernardo>what is the default folder to store wallpapers?
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22:11<rogi_cps>álguem que fale português??? preciso de ajuda!!
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22:12<bernardo>rogi_cps: fala
22:12<rogi_cps>bernardo... vê se me salva... qual é o melhor prg de irc para debian 4
22:12<bernardo>rogi_cps: eu gosto do pidgin
22:13<rogi_cps>e tem mais uma... cabei de montar este debian e quero que ele logue em um AD2003 e autentique para usar proxy (squid) certo???? mas não to achando
22:13<rogi_cps>onde eu acho esse irc??
22:13<rogi_cps>to com o xchat e não aparece a lista dos user no canal
22:14<rogi_cps>sabe como eu logo em um server ad21003??
22:14<rogi_cps>digo ad2003
22:14<bernardo>rogi_cps: apt-get install pidgin
22:15<rogi_cps>o pidgin é nato do debian 4??? está no DVD??? como é que funciona?? sou totalmente leigo em linux
22:15<bernardo>rogi_cps: ele provavelmente esta no primeiro dvd
22:15<rogi_cps>só tenho um DVD!
22:15<bernardo>rogi_cps: abre um terminal e digita isso: apt-get install pidgin
22:16<rogi_cps>eu digitei e não deu nada!
22:16<bernardo>rogi_cps: oq apareceu?
22:16<rogi_cps>gnome terminal, certo???
22:17<bernardo>rogi_cps: certo
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22:17<rogi_cps>permissão negada!
22:17<rogi_cps>erro 13
22:17<rogi_cps>ao abrir
22:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:18<bernardo>rogi_cps: digite: su root
22:19<bernardo>rogi_cps: desculpe, mas aqui só pode falar em ingles ( sorry, english only )
22:19<rogi_cps>no english, please
22:19<rogi_cps>digitei e ele não encontrou o pacote
22:20<bernardo>rogi_cps: entra no canal #debian-br e a gente conversa lá
22:20<JasonS>!tell rogi_cps about br
22:21<JasonS>if only because theres a whole channel there who speak portugues and can help
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22:30<BlueG>how do I get all of the info documentation installed? On my system, info just pulls up man pages...
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22:31<BlueG>heh, even info info pulls up a man page... :-(
22:32<blarson>BlueG: Much of it is in non-free .
22:32<norbert_>hi, I was thinking that maybe the Debian install could ask the user whether they want to participate in a ...@home (folding, seti) project and explain what it means for cpu usage and things, then it could install in the startup files to make it run automatically and users be added to the Debian group
22:32<norbert_>it could just be a question like 'participate in the package survey?' thing
22:33<JasonS>norbert_: id rather the dds spent time on getting the new stable ready sooner
22:33<blarson>norbert_: seti@home is non-free .
22:33<blarson>so could not be in debian.
22:33<BlueG>blarson: the info documentation? I am talking about the gnu documentation for the coreutils and other gnu software...
22:34<blarson>BlueG: GFDL with immutable sections is not DFSG free.
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22:34<norbert_>blarson: how about folding@home? JasonS: well, this could be added very easily and it would a one time thing to work with all future releases
22:34<BlueG>blarson: wait a minute... even GNU documentation is non-free???
22:34[~]BlueG blinks in surprise
22:35<blarson>norbert_: I don't know folding@home.
22:35<blarson>BlueG: GNU and Debian have differnt definitions of free.
22:35<kmap>Hi! I just did a Debian (Lenny) install for a friend, and noticed that he didn't have a separate home partition for a previous installation, but could do with one for the new one
22:36<JasonS>norbert_: why? its not like its hard to install afterwards
22:36<kmap>So, what I did is, mount the old partition, and set things up by symlinking /home
22:36<kmap>From my observation, symlinking /home didn't give any problems, but are their potential issues to be aware of?
22:36<norbert_>JasonS: because if it comes with the package more people will use it and most people don't even know about it
22:36<kmap>(other than ensuring that the point the /home symlink points to is mounted etc.)
22:37<JasonS>norbert_: why should we "force" people to run something
22:37<norbert_>you don't, you would ask them about it
22:37<JasonS>most those things are nothing but security issues to begin with
22:37<Alam_Debian>uid on the old's /home would not match if the users on the new system do not have the same uid/added in the same order
22:37<JasonS>heh most, try all
22:37<BlueG>blarson: Gosh, and I thought GNU had the strictest interpretation of free around... how hard is it to pull in the GNU docs without enabling all of non-free?
22:38<bernardo>where is the folder that stores wallpapers?
22:38<norbert_>JasonS: "most" of "those things"... how many are there and what is the security threat, do you have proof of what you say?
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22:39<norbert_>bernardo: /usr/share/images/desktop-base
22:40<JasonS>norbert_: lets start with the world community grid for starters
22:40<JasonS>you install an app from a 3rd party source that "computes" data then uploads the result to a 3rd party
22:41<norbert_>The WCG is now conducting research known as "Human Proteome Folding" -> that looks like folding@home to me
22:41<blarson>openstreetmap tiles@home is free, but doesn't realy need any more clients.
22:42<norbert_>JasonS: well, if you look at it that way then, yes, all these things are security threats... how do you look at Skype?
22:42<JasonS>norbert_: major security issues
22:42<JasonS>security is always a balancing act though
22:43<norbert_>ok, so you wouldn't install it (on a server box), but I still think the Debian install could ask joe user about it
22:43<JasonS>wouldnt install it on any desktop either
22:43<norbert_>you never use Skype either?
22:44<JasonS>irc is a risk too i know so dont say it :)
22:45<JasonS>just not as many i feel as skype
22:46<JasonS>although the police forces love it when folks use irc
22:46<norbert_>isn't it a bit over the top to not use Skype because of a possible 'security threat'?
22:46<norbert_>on a desktop machine, I mean
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22:49<JasonS>not at all
22:49<JasonS>and i have contacts that are worse then i am norbert_ heh
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22:51<norbert_>there is this balance, with security measures on one side and freedom and living on the other, and I think you may be overreacting
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22:51<norbert_>you only use bitchx and vim? ;-)
22:52<JasonS>norbert_: i have a contact ive known for about 2 years now, i still have no idea what his real name is, i know 3 alias for him though, he makes me look naive and trusting
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22:53<JasonS>norbert_: true, like i said its a balancing act and skype and those folding type apps aren't worth the risk imo
22:54<norbert_>what exactly is the worst case scenario you have in mind, that all your private data would be interesting enough for people to be shared and spread, something like that?
22:55<norbert_>that person who only told you 3 aliases must be running for the government or something, that does not sound very natural - that or it's a 13-year old who tries to be mysterious
22:55<JasonS>somewhat, more the box get owned though said app
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22:56<JasonS>norbert_: ive met him, he's not 13 and neither am i, he's just super cautious, borderline paranoid i think sometimes
22:58<bernardo>what is the proxy server for debian?
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22:58<norbert_>bernardo: there are many of them, squid is used a lot
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23:00<bernardo>norbert_: thanks
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23:20<joey_>is debian a good linux distro to start with?
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23:20<simonrvn>i did
23:20<dondelelcaro>joey_: if you don't mind reading, sure
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23:21<dondelelcaro>you know, documentation?
23:21<streuner>yes, if you arent lazy and able to read man pages, docs etc etc
23:21<norbert_>joey_: my advice is to start with Debian, but ask someone else to install it for you (tell this person what you would like to use)
23:21<DaCapn>reading is for nerds, anything that's anything is on TV
23:22<joey_>i dont mind that at all, its just i ecided to dump windows for the new year and dont really know where to start
23:22<dondelelcaro>ah, you can install it yourself, actually.
23:22<simonrvn>start by fetching the netinst (net installation cd)
23:22<thepretender84>i just install apache, mysql-server, and phpmyadmin, but when I go to, it tries to open a phtml file
23:22<thepretender84>is there something else I need to install?
23:23<joey_>i mean do i need a really healthy knowledge of computers for linux?
23:23<dondelelcaro>thepretender84: you need to install php itself, and restart apache.
23:23<dondelelcaro>joey_: not really
23:23<DaCapn>I'd say it's certainly helpful...
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23:24<thepretender84>php5 is installed
23:24<norbert_>the-dude: try to install apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, mysql-server
23:24<dondelelcaro>thepretender84: have you restarted apache? have you restarted your browser?
23:24<simonrvn>enable php processing
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23:24<streuner>joey_: not really, you got usually problems, if the hardware isnt supported, in that case you might need some knowledge then
23:25<norbert_>joey_: when you ask someone else to make your first Debian install, you won't need any more knowledge than you already have as a Windows users, you may even get to like the Synaptic Package Manager program that allows you to install software almost automatically
23:25<norbert_>joey_: and make sure to ask that person to enable what are called "contrib" and "non-free" packages for you
23:25<thepretender84>thanks...I'll google "enable php processing"
23:25<chealer>thepretender84: yes. you need to install the apache module for PHP.
23:26<DaCapn>anyone know anything about this yaird problem that gives "yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal)" on 2.6.23-1-amd64
23:26<joey_>what if i dont know anyone who uses linux?
23:26<joey_>i suppose i could take a stab at it myself
23:26<streuner>joey_: you already knew :-)
23:26<chealer>joey_: then try installing by yourself and don't be shy to ask #debian's help a bit.
23:26<norbert_>joey_: you could, yes, that way you would learn the most of the whole experience
23:27<norbert_>joey_: first get and burn
23:27<norbert_>that will give you a CD that will download and install Debian over the Internet
23:27<simonrvn>my very first debian install i had to reboot constantly to fetch .debs and stuff 'cause i didn't know how to configure my pppoe
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23:27<Killing_Frost>Greetings, .
23:27<chealer>simonrvn: when was that?
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23:28<chealer>simonrvn: did the installer support PPPoE then?
23:28<norbert_>joey_: after the install, make sure to check out the menu's Administration and Preferences (in the menu under "Desktop", you will find them, I'm sure)
23:30<simonrvn>chealer: i think it did, but i'm not sure
23:30<simonrvn>i did get it fixed up eventually ;)
23:31<chealer>simonrvn: yeah. I think the installer regressed WRT to PPPoE support.
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23:31<streuner>easiest think is always a hardware-router
23:32[~]Killing_Frost wonders how a spanking new Cor-2 Duo Dell laptop can be slower than his 5 year-old celeron desktop.
23:32<simonrvn>chealer: yes, IIRC woody supported pppoe
23:32<ameyer>my woody supports pppoe
23:33<ameyer>oh wait, you're talking about a horribly old Debian release...
23:33[~]ameyer wanders off before he says too much and angers the wrong person
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23:34[~]Killing_Frost still has Debian Woody on 183 floppies.
23:34<Sewage>Where is the README.Debian for apache2 located? I can't recall the exact location , I think it's /usr/ something
23:34<streuner>docs are usually in /usr/share/docs/<package>
23:35<streuner>docs are usually in /usr/share/doc/<package>
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23:36<joey_>also whats better KDE or the other one (gnome?)?
23:36<streuner>matter of taste
23:36<joey_>whats more customizable?
23:37<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to remove a PV from a VG but it says I can't. I've tried making the PV unallocatable but that doesn't work either. What am I doing wrong. Thanks.
23:37<chealer>joey_: opinions vary. KDE is more customizable.
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23:38<joey_>is that what debian uses?
23:38<Sewage>Thanks for the Doc information!
23:38<norbert_>joey_: the default install comes with Gnome
23:38<joey_>so many choices........
23:38<streuner>joey_: yeah
23:38<streuner>joey_: you have plenty of choices in Debian
23:39<Sewage>... /usr/share/doc/apache2 not available, guessing I have to install it?
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23:41<apeitheo>I have a USB that the kernel identifies as a storage device, but I don't want to use it for that purpose--it's also a modem, but the modem driver only sees it after I eject the device from being a storage device. How can I make the kernel NOT detect this device as a storage device?
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23:42<streuner>Sewage: we dont like guessing much :-)
23:43<Sewage>Doing a LS on the directory and it's not there...
23:43<Sewage>There a man package for apache2?
23:43<Sewage>that I have to install?
23:44<Killing_Frost>/clsExec"/etc/cron.daily/find" and then 'locate apache'
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23:46<streuner>Sewage: there are some man-pages there, but please learn how to use (pdo)
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23:47<Killing_Frost>apt-get install fortunes-debian-hints
23:47<streuner>Sewage: /usr/share/man/man8/a2dismod.8.gz
23:47<streuner>/usr/share/man/man8/apache2.8.gz,/usr/share/man/man8/apache2ctl.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/suexec2.8.gz
23:48<Killing_Frost>if you really want apache, run 'tasksel'
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23:49<streuner>good idea
23:49<Sewage>Thank you, I was told last night by the bot that it was in apache2 not apache2.2-common
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23:49<streuner>!listvals apache2
23:49<dpkg>Factoid search of 'apache2' by value (10): apache2.2 ;; php ;; apache ;; mod_proxy ;; install php ;; apache manual ;; xampp ;; libapr0 fix ;; apache2 ;; a2enmod.
23:50<Killing_Frost>tasksel will get you to the right package.
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23:50<Sewage>I know, I already had it installed :) Just couldn't find the Readme file
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23:50<streuner>DOH :-)
23:50<dpkg>from memory, apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. Also see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian regarding Apache2 configuration under Debian.
23:51<Killing_Frost>locate apache | grep README
23:51<Sewage>See, apache2/Readme.debian not apache2.2-common :P
23:51<Sewage>That's where I had been looking
23:52<streuner>you talked about man-pages (apache2.2-common) and not "Readme"
23:52<streuner>but who ever read man-pages about apache at all, anyways?
23:53<Sewage>Sewage> Where is the README.Debian for apache2 located? I can't recall the exact location , I think it's /usr/ something
23:53<Sewage>Is what I asked, and I couldn't find it so I thought where was a Man for apache2 that I had to install, but I'm not going to argue over it. Thanks for the help.
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23:55<apeitheo>Is there any way to blacklist a usb device to prevent the kernel usb driver from looking at it?
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23:57[~]streuner is totally confused and wondering where or better what mistake in some apache2 factoid should be...
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23:59<Killing_Frost>Never played with apache, myself.
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