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00:08<chump_>hey guys i have ABG 3945 intel and I can't get wpa to work ong it
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00:17<gsimmons>chump_: Have you installed/configured a WPA supplicant?
00:17<apm12>Hi all, i planing upgrade computer, and buy motherboard GA-MA69G-S3H. It contains integrated sound/net/video/sata-raid. I have debian etch r0 (kernel 2.6.18-4-686). Is all this integrated stuff works with debian, or no?
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00:30<chump_>i haven't configured it how do i do that?
00:31<gsimmons>!tell chump_ -about wpa
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00:32<DaCapn>apm12 you might have issues with the sata raid
00:33<DaCapn>apm12 integrated raid in motherboards is usually just nonsense anyway
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00:35<kmap_lab>How do I tell dpkg a better version of an existing factoid? Say I wish to correct spelling errors...
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00:35<kmap_lab>It complains saying "it's already something else" or the like.
00:35<gsimmons>streuner: The 'apache2' virtual package can be removed, which contains a symlink to apache2.2-common's README.Debian file. I've amended the apache2 factoid to point to doc/apache2.2-common instead.
00:35<apm12>i not care much about raid, if its not work its not important, but what about video/sound/net ?
00:36<streuner>gsimmons: thanks
00:36<kmap_lab>gsimmons: How do you amend the factoid for dpkg?
00:36<kmap_lab>forget and reset?
00:37<DaCapn>apm12 I've never had a problem getting a linux install with any distro to properly use any integrated video/sound/nic
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00:38<DaCapn>oh, actually I can't speak on sound, sorry. But the other two, I've never ever had a problem
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00:53<blarson>kmap_lab: I've seen dondelcarlo do sed-like commands to the bot. It's his bot.
00:53<kmap_lab>blarson: Right. I can see the sed like thingy for topic, but not for the factoid.
00:53<kmap_lab>Thanks. I'll ask him when he's around.
00:54<Supaplex>kmap_lab: I can help with that to. to tell it more, just say dpkg: foo is also .... to use sed s/// syntax on it, dpkg: foo =~ s///
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00:55<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Is also is fine. I learnt that. Problem is to substitute.
00:55<kmap_lab>Supaplex: And you just answered that
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00:58<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Perfect! Thanks a lot! :-)
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00:59<Supaplex>that'll be $57 USD
00:59[~]kmap_lab is off to alter spellings in more factoids
00:59<Supaplex>;) jk
00:59<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Yeah right! :-p
00:59[~]kmap_lab is not averse to paying for support, but he's broke atm...
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01:01[~]Supaplex is b0ked to
01:01<kurumin>jo ser um cara mto foda
01:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
01:02<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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01:05<chuy_max>hi, is there a way to monitor gpu activity?
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01:11<Supaplex>chuy_max: wow, good question. I haven't the foggiest clue. I know glgears ia a crude non-official wannabe benchmark, but I don't know about monitoring gpu demand.
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01:18<htraki>hi gyus
01:19<niru>how can i send a message to another machine from terminal
01:19<niru>any command
01:19<Xenguy>niru: write or talk ?
01:19<niru>Xenguy, just the message should be displayed
01:19<htraki>what about install an MTA client,and send mail localy
01:20<Xenguy>niru: that assumes that they are on the command-line too I think
01:20<niru>Xenguy, yes
01:20<niru>Xenguy, ex hi how r u message
01:20<niru>a message window or else
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01:25<niru>Xenguy, ?
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01:27<Xenguy>niru: I dunno (or I'd have replied)
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01:40<niru>how can I use talk command
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01:49<Xenguy>niru: man talk (I don't know if it can talk across machines tho :-/ )
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01:50<Supaplex>I think it's suid tty or something
01:52<Supaplex>oh no... man bash suggests $HISTCONTROL whould have ignorespace so lines prefixed with a space are omitted from saved history?
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01:54<Supaplex>ah ha... time to fix my rc files
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01:57[~]adm Всем привет!
01:57<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
01:59<adm>Дистрибутив "Etch" 64-bit поддерживает утроство D-Link DSL-200/RU ADSL USB?
02:00<Supaplex>adm: english only here please. see dpkg's last statement.
02:01<adm>Supaplex, Why?
02:01<dpkg>i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!!
02:01<Supaplex>mainly because it's the primary language, all others have their own channels
02:01<twb>Not random, arbitrary
02:02<Supaplex>dpkg: en
02:02<dpkg>it has been said that en is english
02:02<twb>It irks me when people misuse "random"
02:02<Supaplex>dpkg: english =~ s/random/various/
02:02<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
02:04<niru>Supaplex, do you have any idea on how can u communicate to another client from my machine through command line
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02:04<adm>Supaplex, I know english is not very well
02:05<adm>Supaplex, Если ты знаешь ответ на мой вопрос, ответь пожалуйста
02:05<Supaplex>and I don't understand any russian. it's not your fault my terminal doesn't grok unicode, but I'm going to ignore it now.
02:06<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Don't you think the english factoid is a taf offensive?
02:07<Supaplex>wow, I didn't even read that little part the first time.
02:07<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Soem s/// magic again, please?
02:07<adm>Кому сказать, не поверят
02:07<Supaplex>1m kmap_lab i'm working on it
02:07<kmap_lab>Supaplex: Thanks
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02:09<Supaplex>dpkg: no english as a language has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best english here anyway (we'll try to cope)
02:09<Supaplex>dpkg: forget english
02:09<dpkg>Supaplex: i forgot english
02:09<Supaplex>dpkg: no english is <reply> English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best english here anyway (we'll try to cope)
02:09<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
02:09<Supaplex>dpkg: english =~ s/english/English/g
02:09<dpkg>Supaplex: OK
02:10[~]kmap_lab hugs Supaplex
02:10<Supaplex>dpkg: botsnack
02:10<Supaplex>dpkg: bot snack
02:10<Supaplex>dpkg: snack
02:10<dpkg>Yess, pleaaaaaaaase
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02:10[~]kmap_lab hugs dpkg
02:10<kmap_lab>Er, dpkg isn't _that_ friendly? ;-)
02:11<Supaplex>try !snackbot :)
02:11<twb>"English is unfortunately the hacker lingua franca. In #debian, please use English as best you can. There are separate channels for discussing Debian in other languages. "
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02:11<twb>...that's how I'd put it
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02:14[~]Supaplex wipes out his 2gb sd card for the camera after backing it up
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02:17<twb>Did it burst into flowers?
02:17<Supaplex>I made an extra $50 from canon when I bought a new pc, camera and printer all on the same recepit
02:17<Supaplex>normally you get the printer free when you buy a pc or a camera
02:18<Supaplex>and I already fleBayed' the printer weeks ago. >:)
02:18<twb>Frivolous waste
02:19<twb>*I* take pictures using a pinhole camera made from a car'board cereal packet
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02:21<dpkg>[hu] Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
02:22<Supaplex>twb is just a show off ;)
02:22<twb>Why, when I tap the power button on my case, doesn't acpid respond by initiating a clean shutdown?
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02:25<chump_>heya guys i was wondering what you guys did to snazzy up the look of your desktop?
02:26<Supaplex>I disabled red and blue color mapping.
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02:26<Supaplex>HAH psyche!
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02:27<metalqga>chump_ nutting ...
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02:29<chump_>i think i want to make my debian to look like mac OS
02:29<Supaplex>ya think?
02:30<chump_>theres some how to's
02:30<metalqga>if you wanna make it look really like the damn thing, send me $300
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02:31<chump_>i want ot make the gui to look like i have a mac not my bank account look like i have one
02:32<metalqga>it was a jk
02:32<chump_>mine was also
02:32<Supaplex>yea, besides I'll do it for $299 usd
02:32<Supaplex>;) hehe
02:32<htraki>guys tell me which DVD image should I download? DVD 1 is enough for begin?
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02:33<Supaplex>!tell htraki -about netinst
02:33<chump_>thats all i used
02:33<Supaplex>htraki: yes, but netinst is better if you already have net access. you'll only download what is used. saves you time and download bw on mirrors
02:34<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32 system (see site for ongoing compaitbility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ.
02:34<Supaplex>or that, if win32 is installed already
02:34<chump_>yeah my internet SUCKS that why i downloaded the whole at the library
02:34<Supaplex>that's a good reason :)
02:34<chump_>Huges NET YES
02:35<Supaplex>!lart chump_'s ISP
02:35[~]dpkg judo chops chump_'s ISP
02:36<htraki>thanks guys
02:36<Supaplex>anytime :)
02:37<Supaplex>! =~ s!32!32/64!
02:37<Supaplex>! =~ s#32#32/64#
02:37<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
02:38<htraki>the debian.exe did you mean?
02:39<metalqga>many windows users download the whole iso and can't install debian because they didnt check the md5sums
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02:39<metalqga>while the debian.exe thing does it all
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02:43<chump_>yeah that debian.exe is pretty cool actualy
02:43<chump_>actually very small and really easy to do what you want
02:44<Supaplex>yup. it's slick :)
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02:47<james296>can anyone tell me why Im unable to get 1440x900 resolution in Mepis 7?
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02:47<gsimmons>!tell james296 -about mepis
02:47<htraki>james296: Off topic
02:48<sep>james296, can anyone tell me why uou ask a #mepis question in a debian channel ?
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02:48<james296>because I didnt know how to get to the #mepis channel as mepis doesnt come with xchat or any other IRC client installed?
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02:49<htraki>james296: get one from their repo
02:49<metalqga>look at your xorg.conf
02:49<james296>I did but wheere is #mepis located at?
02:49<metalqga>. /etc/X11/xorg.conf make sure it has the reso you want
02:50<james296>which server?
02:50<htraki>james296: freenode?
02:50<gsimmons>james296: #mepis is on
02:50<james296>and I want to be able to use the resolution I want without having to edit any files
02:50<htraki>james296: Use windows instead
02:51<Supaplex>!mepis =~ s/#mepis/#mepis on
02:51<dpkg>Supaplex: OK
02:51<htraki>james296:Better fits to your needs
02:51<james296>why? I had to reformat it because the installation wouldnt go through properly
02:51<james296>and Im able to use 1440x900 resolution on every other linux distro I have used
02:52<htraki>james296:Only edit xorg.conf or reinstall if you dont want to edit files
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02:53<Supaplex>debian works for me. :)
02:53<htraki>me either
02:53<james296>omg and theres only 17 people in the #mepis channel, I dont think that would do me any good...
02:54<james296>debian no offense, doesnt suit my taste
02:54<Supaplex>that's nice.
02:54<htraki>there are many other distros. Use them
02:54<james296>I have
02:54<james296>and thats why now Im using mepis
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02:59<metalqga>stop using computers if you don't want to edit any files
03:00<htraki>james296: Windows the best OS for you.You dont have to edit any files
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03:00<metalqga>yes worms do the job for ya
03:00<james296>well I just formatted my Windows partition because Im sick of using Windows
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03:01<htraki>james296: Only you have to do,is edit a file
03:01<htraki>Is that much?
03:01<Supaplex>xvidtune can do half the work for you.
03:02<Supaplex>htraki: we could suggest, but as ubuntu has shown, there's no telling how they've basterdized^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H modified the distro etc.
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03:02<htraki>Supaplex: You have right
03:03<htraki>And there many people
03:03<Supaplex>james296: if #mepis is unhelpful, consider #linux on this network, or maybe ##linux (I think?) on freenode
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03:05<Supaplex>it could be an xorg.conf issue, the video driver, xorg itself, opengl/etc, udev/hal, or a few other things. I don't even think you mentioned your video hardware. maybe it'll work with the vesa driver, or nv if you were using nvidia, or nvidia if you were using nv/vesa, or who knows what if it's ati (I don't follow ati)
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03:08<james296>ok, I have a custom made AMD Athlon dual core 64 bit processor, Nvidia Geforce 7300GS gc and 1.5gb of RAM as the basics
03:08<metalqga>the latest ati drivers are nice
03:08<james296>oh also the gc has 512mb of vRAM
03:09<twb>If they were FREE SOFTWARE they might be nice
03:09<ant_>Well the hardware isnt free either - so why should the software be? </troll>
03:09<james296>and I meant I have a custom computer, not a custom AMD Athlon processor, lol
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03:10<Supaplex>oh comeon, don't be bashful. you designed your own opcodes for it to.
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03:10<Supaplex>oh the lol opcode. good choice.
03:10<htraki>James296: Still we dont know how your xorg.conf look like. Drop it plz into pastebin
03:11<ant_>maybe we can get a desktop pc with a Cell BE chip, and then you could use that for all your graphic (they can do some really nice realtime ray tracing)
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03:11<Supaplex>james296: xvidtune can do half your work c/o modelines
03:12<Supaplex>xvidtune (1) - video mode tuner for Xorg
03:12<htraki>yeah,thats a command
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03:12<ant_>its a XFree86 command - not xorg....
03:12<Supaplex>it's nice to have all my pcs with the same alignment on this kvm. :)
03:13<htraki>james296: the other half of the work it is yours
03:13<Supaplex>ant_: and what is xorg a fork of? hummmm???
03:13<james296>hold on brb gonna restart
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03:13<Supaplex>as far as debian is conserned, it's now an xorg util. :) xfree is tEh depricated.
03:13<ant_>Supaplex, theres a reason they are a fork - some bits are different.
03:14<Supaplex>granted. the obvious reason is licensing and xfree calling it quits.
03:14<ant_>So long as it works on xorg
03:15<Supaplex>it's in etch, so I assume yes. it's worked just fine for me.
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03:18<metalqga>twb in comparison to the older releases this driver is superb(as far as my video card's performance is concerned)
03:18<chump_>what is it called when you have your icons on the bottom on that launch bar type thing?
03:19<chump_>seriulsy i've been trying to figure out what its called
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03:21<Supaplex>kde calls it kicker
03:22<chump_>hmm wonder if theres a gnome kicker
03:22<chump_>thanks supaplex how did you figure that out?
03:22<Supaplex>I asked about it years ago
03:22<Supaplex>I had to assume some things c/o your question
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03:24<chump_>heya buddy
03:24<chump_>c/o whats that mean?
03:24<Supaplex>care of
03:24<tomenbois>on parle pas français ici ?
03:24<metalqga>i think james296 cant start X anymore
03:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
03:25<tomenbois>ok thank you
03:25<bremner>de rien
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03:33<danf_1979>Hi, is there anything like gtk-qt-engine for kde4 in experimental?
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03:44<chump_>you can't run a KDE kicker on gnome can you?
03:47<Supaplex>I canno for I have not installed gnome ;-}
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03:55<serge>Hello! I need quick and simple solution, a X-program which could accept a word as a commandline option and then print it with given font and size. Can anybody advice something pls.
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03:57<Supaplex>serge: maybe xbanner
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03:57<ant_>I remember something like that - maybe it was xbanner, maybe something else. Tried searching apt and google?
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03:58<serge>Supaplex: sounds good. Thanks! Let me see...
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04:00<oskie>does dialog have problems with UTF-8?
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04:02<zaikxtox>hello. i have installed gdm but it does not crete /etc/init.d/gdm
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04:06<zaikxtox>tryed dpkg-reconfigure gdm but does not help
04:07<htraki>zaikxtox: I can give you one,if you want
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04:09<zaikxtox>htraki, my problem is that the one i had was failing to start... so i tryed apt-get remove --purge dpkg and then rm /etc/init.d/gdm
04:09<zaikxtox>but apt does not create the script again!
04:09<Belisarivs>Just want to ask, I installed apt-listchanges, but in synaptic I always get message libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file 'apt-listchanges/'
04:09<Belisarivs>but that file is in /usr/share/apt-listchanges/
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04:10<oskie>any idea why dialogs generated with dialog show up as x and qs?
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04:13<Fafa>hello all
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04:16<Fafa>i have a problem : i wanted to configure my xorg.conf (because the screen resolution is bad) but in the screen caracteristics i can't find what is "HorinzSynch" and "VertRefresh"
04:16<Fafa>any idea where I can find it ?
04:17<serge>Supaplex: I've just seen demo of xbanner -- nice program, but it like it's to beautify your screen of XDM login. I need something which could work this way: take commandline parameter (a word) and display it in the window of given size with font of given size, then quit when any key pressed.
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04:17<avtobiff>Fafa, producers homepage maybe
04:18<Fafa>well i didn't find it
04:18<Fafa>i tried many websites
04:18<avtobiff>google maybe, what screen do you have?
04:18<Fafa>a Hanns G - HW191D
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04:29<Fafa>perhaps is there "standard" values I can try ? (for a 19" wide 16/9 LCD ?)
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04:36<Supaplex>Fafa: using the wrong values has the potential to serverly damange hardware
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04:37<Fafa>i guess so yes, but since i can't find the true ones :/
04:37<koollman>not supplying value should work
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04:38<Supaplex>chase down the owners manual, it should be in there...
04:39<Fafa>it should be yes, only have to find it :)
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04:46<Fafa>oh yes i have find it , i think i will mail the constructor to add it on the caracteristics lines :) (some people throw the man)
04:47<Fafa>thanks, have a good journey ^^
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05:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
05:25<dpkg>from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine.
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05:27<sheldonh>phew, that iwlwifi page really should mention that you're better off if ipw3945 works for you
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05:28<lele>hi, i've got a problem with libncurses-dev package. can someone help me?
05:28<Saj>hi there
05:29<Saj>i have a problem... with a pcg-c1xn with a neomagic graphic card... and a resolution of 1024x480 :S
05:29<Saj>can anyone help a little xD
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05:30<lele>i'm trying to install libncurses5-dev but dependencies are broken
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05:31<gsimmons>!tell lele -about bat
05:32<lele>libncurses5-dev require libncurses5 =5.6+20071214-1 but i've got libncurses5 5.6+20071125-1
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05:39<Saj>i have a problem... with a pcg-c1xn with a neomagic graphic card... and a resolution of 1024x480 :S
05:39<Saj>can anyone help a little xD
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06:03<Alex1>hello, someone can tell me how can i set my screen resolution to 100dpi?
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06:45<lele>where i can find useful information about packages dependencies
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06:49<paistis>lele: like this?
06:49<avtobiff>lele, what do you mean? aptitude show packagenamehere shows dependencies
06:49<lele>libncurses5-dev require libncurses5 =5.6+20071214-1 but i've got libncurses5 5.6+20071125-1
06:49<lele>how can i resolve this problem?
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07:27<clone>my screen saver doesn't turn on when I use some video players, but does when I use mplayer, and I prefer to use mplayer, so how do I configure the system not to consider mplayer playing to be idle
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07:35<petteri>clone: mplayer has option -stop-xscreensaver or something. That prevents screensaver
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07:36<petteri>i think you can also put that into something like ~/.mplayer, but I'm not sure
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07:36<clone>petteri, thanks, I was searching for a system configuration, the mplayer option is way easier, thanks man
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07:37<[GM]Xen>hello everyone
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07:38<[GM]Xen>I have a question, may someone tell me how to install a package using aptitude or apt-get without configure that package?
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07:39<[GM]Xen>I mean, without getting the dpkg-reconfigure screen after instalation
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07:39<azeem>[GM]Xen: preseed the debconf question
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07:40<[GM]Xen>azeem, sorry didnt get it, may you explain better please?
07:40<azeem>did you read up on debconf preseeding yet?
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07:41<[GM]Xen>I am trying to make a script for instaling some packages, the things is I want to use config files I already have
07:41<[GM]Xen>so I dont need to configure those packages after install
07:42<lupine>you could probably use an option to dpkg
07:42<[GM]Xen>I would like to know if there is an option with apt-get to pass over that conf
07:42<[GM]Xen>but i am using apt to install the packages, not dpkg, I dont have them in .deb
07:43<[GM]Xen>did I explain myself?
07:43<petemc>that doesnt make sense
07:44<azeem>[GM]Xen: well, you can pass on some (all?) dpkg options to apt-get
07:44<lupine>--force-confold and put the old config files in place before installing the package
07:44<azeem>[GM]Xen: but what you're really after is something more thorough
07:44<azeem>[GM]Xen: you were talking about dpkg-reconfigure, i.e. debconf
07:44<azeem>[GM]Xen: now you're talking about having configuration files ready
07:44<azeem>that's something totally different
07:44<[GM]Xen>yes, sorry, english is not my mother language :D
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07:45<[GM]Xen>i am trying to explain myself as good as i can
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07:46<[GM]Xen>is like I have explained the second time, I mean, I have the config files already, so I want to install the packages with apt without need to configure the packages
07:46<[GM]Xen>because I want to pass over the configuration
07:46<[GM]Xen>after install
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07:46<azeem>[GM]Xen: a really hacky method would be to set DEBIAN_FRONTEND to noninteractive and then to copy over your files afterwards
07:47<azeem>[GM]Xen: are you *only* talking about packages which use debconf, or other packages as well?
07:47<azeem>also, you might want to look into solutions like cdengine
07:47<dpkg>rumour has it, cfengine is a Tool for configuring and maintaining network machines
07:47<[GM]Xen>azeem, both
07:48<[GM]Xen>azeem, but there isnt a non-interactive option with apt-get?
07:48<azeem>Guest2112: "set FOO to bar" usually means "set the environment variable FOO to the value bar via 'export FOO=bar'"
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07:56<tca>Are the mips autobuilder down? solfege has been waiting for 37 days.
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07:58<azeem>tca: are you the maintainer?
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07:59<azeem>tca: in that case, I suggest asking in #debian-release and possibly request a give-back as the build seems to be MIA rather than waiting
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08:01<tca>azeem: ok. thanks!
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08:08<Maulkin>tca: looking
08:08<leonidas>hi guys, I have got a quick question as e newbie:" When I install a new software, where is the best place to install it in the system ?"
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08:09<leonidas>is it /var/lib/ where I create a folder with the soft's name ? or is there another place ?
08:10<rame>leonidas, it is always advicebale to install new things under /usr/local
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08:12<leonidas>cheers rame, I have read as well that it is not advisable to use root too much. But as a newbie, I find very difficult to use anything else
08:12<leonidas>Is there anything else that I should be doing in order to avoid using root??
08:13<JasonS>leonidas: to do what?
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08:13<leonidas>well, for example, i just installed bitlbee as a mew software. But to do so i needed to be root
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08:14<leonidas>I would assume that there wasnt any other way??
08:14<gsimmons>leonidas: Uh, 'bitlbee' is already packaged for Debian.
08:14<azeem>leonidas: why did you not install the bitlbee debian package?
08:15<leonidas>on Etch ?
08:15<leonidas>because it wasnt for me
08:15<avtobiff>leonidas, yes
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08:15<JasonS>leonidas: sure why not on etch, its in the mirrors
08:15<avtobiff>i am using bitlbee from etch aws
08:16<leonidas>i had no idea, because when i ran apt-get install it did install it
08:16<avtobiff>leonidas, ?
08:16<avtobiff>leonidas, so what is your problem then if apt installed it as you told it?
08:17<JasonS>avtobiff: i think they meant it did not install it
08:17<avtobiff>JasonS, i suppose but i would like a clarification in that case ;-)
08:17<leonidas>I have got any. I was just trying to grasp the best practice(s) as a newbie and specially relating to root
08:17<leonidas>and installing new soft
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08:18<JasonS>leonidas: install apps as root using aptitude unless you absolutely cant
08:18<azeem>leonidas: you need admin privs to install packages
08:18<avtobiff>leonidas, what JasonS said
08:18<azeem>leonidas: use sudo to reduce your time as root
08:18<leonidas>as an exemple, when I download new soft it goes directly into a folder on my desktop
08:19<azeem>leonidas: don't download new soft, install the corresponding debian packags
08:19<leonidas>and then I install everything from that folder
08:19<leonidas>yes azeem, that is what I am going to do now.
08:20<leonidas>but in case there is no package available, the best practice is to create a folder in /usr/local/ from what rame said
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08:23<azeem>leonidas: no
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08:23<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mattia
08:23<leonidas>azeem how so?
08:23<azeem>leonidas: you dowload it, extract it, then (usually) run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local, and then make install will automatically put it under /usr/local
08:24<azeem>leonidas: unless you're talking about some stand-alone shell scripts or so, maybe
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08:25<leonidas>well, when I installed xchat, i got a message saying that they were some permissions pbs because i forgot to create a folder for it
08:26<leonidas>then i got a lock on xchat which was downloaded into my desktop folder
08:26<tca>Maulkin: In case I have to run, you can drop me a note about the autobuilder to, or I'll just watch the build logs...
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08:26<leonidas>i could install it no pb though just by being root
08:27<avtobiff>leonidas, that is the way it usually works.
08:27<avtobiff>leonidas, but also xchat already exists as a debian package
08:27<Maulkin>tca: Can't see any info. Waah on -release :)
08:28<leonidas>yes but the lock stopped me from erasing it from my desktop folder
08:28<JasonS>leonidas: of course, you just aptitude install xchat
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08:28<leonidas>I had to run "rm -Rf" which is not best practice
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08:33<h3xagram>hello, I have a minor problem that I can't seem to fix... Can anyone properly view this video? (MPlayer pops up in an external window with an error, "Error opening/initialising the selected video out (-vo) device
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08:34<h3xagram>I almost forgot... The video codec is DivX
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08:42<fadias>hi wie kann ich grafiktreiber uner debian installieren
08:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:55<clone>my system keeps slowing down,
08:56<clone>system monitor says load is maxed out, what is load?
08:56<clone>azeem, do you use system load
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08:57<Maulkin>dpkg: ping
08:57<azeem>clone: why do you ask me?
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08:57<clone>Maulkin, thanks
08:57<clone>azeem, cause you are intelligent and your name is holy
08:58<azeem>clone: ask the channel not people
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09:00<JasonS>azeem: your name is holy? heh
09:00<izzi>clone what give top for information?
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09:06<Cyorxamp>Hi folks
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09:11<clone>izzi: ?
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09:12<yggdrasil>good day, im wondering about how to connect to a headless computer i built thru the serial port , can somone point mein the right direction ?
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09:14<clone>probablyy you could just telnet using the serial port number
09:14<lupine>minicom and friends
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09:14<lupine>e.g. cutecom
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09:24<amo>i got a problem :P
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09:24<amo>this is not really a debian prob
09:24<amo>i tried to compile a new kernel in order to install nvidia graphic ssupport
09:25<amo>the problem is that after trying to boot the kernel it give me a kernel panic like
09:25<amo>devfs couldnt be mounted
09:25<amo>but i installed udev
09:25<amo>i wont let me use this instead
09:25<always_read_backward>why do you need a new kernel for graphic drivers?
09:26<amo>cuz when i start the installer it wants me to have sources and the gcc version which the kernel was installed
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09:26<always_read_backward>which nvidia do u have?
09:26<amo>-installed +compiled
09:27<always_read_backward>I have 3mx so i dont need new kernel
09:27<amo>i had the 2 mx but back then i needed to recompile as well :(
09:27<amo>it worked last time
09:27<amo>but now i got the devfs prob
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09:28<always_read_backward>which debian do u have?
09:28<amo>but in upgraded to unstable
09:28<always_read_backward>I have some kind of sarge
09:28<amo>the amd64 version cuz i use core 2 quad
09:29<amo>the real problem is to manage the devfs or udev
09:29<amo>i read that devfs was replaced by udev in the recent kernel but why does the kernel want to load the devfs anyway?
09:29<always_read_backward>I cant help you because my hardware is too old to use etch packages
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09:30<always_read_backward>I have a intel celeron coppermine
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09:31<amo>any1 else know what i could do?
09:32<always_read_backward>can someone help me? I cant use "sudo apt-get"?
09:32<amo>whats the error msg?
09:33<always_read_backward>Sorry, user live is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt-get' as root on xebian.
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09:34<JasonS>always_read_backward: so then just su to root, and ask in the correct channel as well
09:34<amo>i checked the sudoers list?
09:34<clone>when I first boot my system, it runs very fast, and after a while it starts slowing down. Namely when I tar xvf some files, it does it really fast but after a while of being booted, it starts to slow down big time, and my system is unresponsive during the extraction. Anyone know why?
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09:35<amo>always_read_backward: maybe u dont have the neeved privilegs in the sudoers file
09:36<always_read_backward>how can I safely install xorg?
09:36<JasonS>always_read_backward: on debian?
09:36<amo>use apt-get install xserver-xorg this is the way i do it
09:36<JasonS>not what i asked actually
09:37<always_read_backward>debian sarge 3.1
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09:38<amo>JasonS: u know howto compile kernel without devfs ?
09:38<JasonS>always_read_backward: try the xebian forums i suspect
09:39<JasonS>amo: nope, ive always used the debian kernels sorry
09:39<amo>JasonS: and what about graphics support?
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09:39<amo>i cant even run xorg at this time
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09:39<amo>im using irssi though bash :P
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09:40<stew>amo: what version of debian are you running?
09:40<stew>amo: and what does "uname -r" say?
09:40<amo>Linux version 2.6.18-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) ( (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007
09:40<stew>amo: there is no devfs anymore as of 2.6.15
09:40<amo>yes this is exaclty my problem
09:40<amo>after i compiled new kernel 2.6.23
09:40<stew>amo: you want devfs? why?
09:41<amo>it tries to mount devfs
09:41<stew>amo: what does?
09:41<amo>the kernel after booting
09:41<amo>i get a kernel panic
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09:41<amo>it says privot_root: no such file
09:41<amo>and unknown filesystem devfs
09:42<stew>amo: does /dev appear in /etc/fstab?
09:42<stew>amo: if so, remove it
09:42<amo>exec -o cat /etc/fstab
09:42<amo># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
09:42<amo># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
09:42<amo>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
09:42<amo>/dev/sda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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09:43<amo>u read it?
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09:44<stew>amo: i'd try recreating your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version matches the name of the directory in /lib/modules somehting like 2.6.18-5-amd64 or 2.6.23-2-amd64
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09:44<stew>!tell amo about paste
09:45<amo>i tried through mkinitrd
09:45<stew>amo: that is your problem then. you should not use mkinitrd since it relies on devfs, you should be using initrd-tools or yaird
09:45<zep>when i try to join any channel it says this :[Fri Jan 4 2008] [13:37:48] |Mode| Channel modes: no messages
09:45<miksuh>stew: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname-r)"
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09:45<amo>and i made the modules like make O=/bla/linux2.6.23 modules_install
09:46<zep>what does it mean?
09:46<miksuh>that should add version to command
09:46<stew>miksuh: i don't think the problem is with the currently running kernel
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09:46<miksuh>stew: ah, i jave not folowed the discussion so closely
09:46<miksuh>ok then :)
09:46<stew>miksuh: if he was able to boot the kernel having the problem, it wouldn't need a new initrd
09:46<miksuh>ah, yep :)
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09:46<amo>miksuh: stew is right since i cant even boot the new kernel its a diffrent kernel :P
09:47<stew>amo: you should use make-kpkg with the --initrd option, then this stuff would be done correctly for you automatically, /msg dpkg kp
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09:47<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
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09:47<amo>ill search on google a bit
09:48<stew>amo: /msg dpkg kp mantra
09:48<avtobiff>!kp mantra
09:48<dpkg>hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
09:48<amo>ok ill try that
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09:49<amo>thank u guys
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09:49<amo>hopefully it will work
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09:49<stew>amo: that would require you to recompile, which isn't necessary. just remember it next time you are compiling, for now, just make a new initrd but use mkinitrafs (from initramfs-tools) instead of mkinitrd
09:50<amo>aahhh ok
09:50<amo>so at this time its possible to use it?
09:50<amo>thanks man
09:50<amo>if this worx u saved me time and troubles
09:51<amo>cuz im sitting here sinc about 12 hours but i didnt want to as dumb question before i tried it by myself :)
09:51<stew>its possible, but it would be a full recompile. make-kpkg does all the compiling for you, and creates a .deb that you can intsall on a bunch of machines, and if you used the --initrd, a correct initrd would be created automatically when the .deb is installed
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09:51<stew>its too bad that mkinitrd doesn't warn you that there is no possible way it is going to work with a post 2.6.15 kernel
09:51<amo>so mkinitrafs would be my solution to not recomple it (sry for da bad english)
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09:52<stew>amo: either would work. mkinitramfs is far far faster
09:53<amo>ok plz stay here ill try to boot it if something goes wrong ill come back :D
09:54<amo>otherswise i will come back to thank u
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10:02<amo>hey im back
10:02<amo>i fixed one of my problems LOL
10:02<amo>damnid stew thank u
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10:02<amo>this was the real problem
10:02<amo>but now
10:02<amo>i got another error :P
10:02<amo>i cant find my hdd
10:03<stew>they are usually inside the case with a ribbon cable attached to them
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10:04<amo>but ill try to compile the kernel and make a new initrd so i can be sure i didnt use the wrong /lib/modules for the initrd
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10:04<amo>yeah there is it
10:04<amo>i can see it
10:04<dpkg>[kb] If you mean 'kB': see 'kilobyte', but see also 'binary units' for why it can mean 1,000. If you mean 'kbit': see 'kilobit', and also 'binary units'.. Killer Bunny, , or the microsoft's Knowledge Base
10:04<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
10:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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10:06<amo>!kp mantra
10:06<dpkg>well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
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10:07<amo>stew: sry i new to this make-kpgk
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10:08<stew>amo: are you going to change your config before you recompile? becuase, i wouldn't expect just recompiling with the same .config to make any difference
10:08<amo>so the command to compiel kernel and initrd should be like make-kpkg --initrd 2.3.23 ?
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10:09<amo>stew: the problemis i tried alot of moving the /lib/modules and things like that arround
10:09<amo>so i might did a problem there
10:09<stew>amo: export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image
10:10<amo>so this does compile the kernel copy the modules to /lib/modules and creat the initrd ?
10:10<iury>hello, someone can help me out with the installation of lenny?
10:10<amo>iury: depends on your problem :)
10:11<iury>amo i can't get to the "real" installation
10:11<stew>amo: no, it compiles the kernel into a .deb ;then when you run "dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.23-...deb", the .deb will put the modules into /lib/modules and then run mkinitramfs
10:11<iury>i've already done a netinstall of woody
10:11<amo>stew: ah ok
10:11<stew>iury: what do you mean by ""real" installation?
10:11<iury>installing packages
10:11<fadias>azeem ok ich hör auf mit paste bitte hör auf mich zu bannen bitte azem
10:11<fadias>ich brauch deine hilfe
10:11<fadias>ich wusste es nicht mit dem paste
10:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:11<iury>i've downloaded this iso: debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
10:12<iury>because i don't want to do a netinstall
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10:12<iury>so i boot up, configure locale, keyboard
10:12<fadias>azeem: ok ich mache keine paste mehr im channel ich wuste es nicht sorry
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10:12<iury>and the installer try to configure network interfaces
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10:12<iury>and the installation doesn't go anywhere
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10:15<stew>iury: you might just try using an etch installer, then upgrading to testing after getting etch intalled
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10:16<stew>iury: the testing installer is beta and often broken
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10:17<iury>stew thank you
10:17<fadias>azeem: da ist auch noch so ein .sh datei mitgeliefert
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10:17<fadias>azeem: vielleicht muss ich damit was machen kann das sein ?
10:17<azeem>fadias: this is an english chan
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10:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:17<fadias>azeem: bei kann ich nicht rein
10:18<fadias>ich bin gebannt
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10:18<azeem>16:15 <+fadias> naja bye
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10:18<amo>i got antother prob
10:18<fadias>azeem: sorry
10:18<fadias>kann ich wieder rein
10:19<stew>fadias: english only in here
10:19<fadias>ich kann kein englishc
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10:19<amo>ich kann deutsch
10:19<azeem>fadias: you've been quieted for ten minutes for talking non-english
10:19<azeem>amo: you want to be silenced as well?
10:19<amo>i just told him that i can talk german and help him
10:20<azeem>amo: we told him it's an english chan
10:20<amo>u still there?
10:20<azeem>and he was talking in for an hour just until he left
10:20<amo>azeem: sry yeah i didnt read it
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10:30<junior01>how install linux-headers.2.6.24-rc5 without kbuild?
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10:30<sheldonh>gparted is a thing of rare beauty
10:31<sheldonh>windows vista was only willing to resize the OS partition to 50% of its original size
10:31<sheldonh>ghost partition doesn't work on vista
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10:31<sheldonh>gparted allowed me to resize down to the 20GB i wanted, and just required a windows recovery boot off cd afterwards
10:32<maxamillion>vista doesn't work on vista
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10:37<stew>junior01: why do you want to install the one without the other?
10:39<junior01>stew, because dont have pkg for this version in
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10:39<stew>junior01: what are you going to do with the -headers package that you can do without the kbuild package?
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10:41<junior01>stew, Im trying to install gspsca-source and need -headers
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10:44<sheldonh>maxamillion: i just need to keep a windows partition handy in case i want to exercise my warranty rights -- it's a dell, and they're not helpful if you're using an unsupported OS (in this case, not vista)
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10:45<maxamillion>sheldonh: yeah they are, you just need to call the tech support number listed at
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10:47<sheldonh>maxamillion: not useful in south africa, for faulty hardware :)
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10:48<sheldonh>maxamillion: here, they simply refuse to honour hardware warranty if a) their diagnostic software doesn't show a problem, and b) you're not running a supported OS. the joke is, their diagnostic software is windows 3.1 based, and that's not a supported OS ;)
10:48<maxamillion>sheldonh: nice
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10:50<stew>junior01: you won't be able to compile modules against those headers without the kbuild
10:50<sheldonh>is it worthwhile (for performance as a developer workstation) to try anything other than i386 on intel core2 duos?
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10:51<stew>junior01: if you just want to install gspsca-source you can do that. if you want to actually compile it, you'd need the -kbuild package
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10:53<junior01>stew, i would like of the install pkg(kbuild->headers->gspca) ....dont have compile
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10:53<sheldonh>actually, ia64 is for itaniums only, right?
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10:54<stew>junior01: i don't know what you mean. what is the name of the package that you would actually like to install?
10:54<stew>junior01: i don't know what pkg(kbuild->headers->gspca) means exactly
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10:55<junior01>stew, i would like gspsca pkg...but gspca depend -headers and -headers depend kbuild
10:56<stew>!+info gspsca
10:56<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
10:56<dpkg>Package 'gspsca' does not exist.
10:57<stew>junior01: where is this gspsca from?
10:57<harry_>I'm trying to install etch rc2 on a dell vostro 400 but the cdrom is not being detected. I have also tried etch rc0 Anyone encountered this or similar before?
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10:58<junior01>!+info gspca-source
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10:58<dpkg>gspca-source: (source for the gspca v4l kernel module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 01.00.18-2 (sid), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
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10:58<stew>!depends gspca-source
10:58<dpkg>gspca-source: depends on debhelper (>= 5.0.37), module-assistant, bzip2
10:58<stew>junior01: it doesn't depend on -headers
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10:58<stew>junior01: if you wanted to build it you would need headers though
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10:59<stew>junior01: but, as i said before, you can't build it without -kbuild
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10:59<junior01>stew, how install -kbuild?
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10:59<stew>junior01: for which kernel?
11:00<harry_>Is there a recommended irc channel to get help with netinst problems?
11:00<junior01>stew, 2.6.24-rc5
11:00<Maulkin>harry_: depends what the problem is
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11:01<junior01>harry_, channel debian-boot
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11:01<stew>junior01: what does "uname -r" say?
11:01<harry_>Benn trying the etch rc0 and rc4 netinst cd's and getting cdrom not detected.
11:01<junior01>stew, 2.6.24-rc5-686
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11:01<stew>junior01: no such -kbuild package exists
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11:02<stew>junior01: you'd have to compile your own
11:02<harry_>I'll give that a whirl cheers.
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11:02<stew>junior01: or wait
11:02<junior01>stew, why dont have -kbuild pkg?
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11:03<mcr>hi... i'm looking for some apt-ftparchive experts... we maintain a local repo from some internal tools,
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11:04<stew>junior01: i don't know. perhaps nobody cares. this kernel hasn't been releease yet. -kbuild will when it is actually uploaded to debian
11:05<mcr>and if we happen to re-generate a .deb, often it has a slightly different size, and even if we remove the Packages file and run apt-ftparchive again, the Size: value will be wrong.
11:05<mcr>this results in size-mismatch.
11:06<junior01>stew, how do you build -kbuild?
11:06<stew>junior01: just like any other package
11:06<stew>junior01: why are you using unreleased kernels?
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11:07<junior01>stew, hardware is too new
11:07<stew>junior01: too new for 2.6.23?
11:07<stew>junior01: what happens with 2.6.23?
11:07<twb>harry_: can you install from a non-cd medium?
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11:08<junior01>stew, dont work
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11:08<stew>junior01: can you be more specific?
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11:08<hever> ln -d /etc/apache2/cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin tells me this it not permitted.... What can I do ?
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11:09<junior01>stew, tks very much!
11:09<Maulkin>harry_: try -s
11:09<Maulkin>hever: try -s
11:09<stew>hever: ext3 doesn't allow hardlinking of directories. why do you want a hardlink instead of a symlink?
11:09<hever>Maulkin: no no I need a hardlink
11:10<Maulkin>hever: Read man ln. You can't have it
11:10<sepski>Maulkin, try a bind mount
11:10<twb>Perhaps he wants cp -rl
11:10<stew>aiui you can on some filesystems, but i don't know which
11:10<hever>because suexec doesn't allow cgi-bins out of the document root
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11:10<hever>Maulkin: I read it
11:10<twb>hever: you want a bind mount
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11:10<nordx>ehm, somebody could help me with my first installation of debian x_x?
11:11<twb>Lots of people CAN
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11:11<twb>Whether they WILL depends on a range of factors
11:11<nordx>*gg*... ok but who would be so nice...
11:11<kop>Is it just me or is down?
11:11<stew>nordx: if you have a question, just ask it
11:11<kop>!tell nordx -about ask
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11:11<stew>kop: it's just you
11:11<twb>kop: I can talk to it's httpd
11:11<gsimmons>harry_: IIRC, the Dell Vostro has ICH9, which isn't supported in kernel 2.6.18. Try using an updated installer with a more recent kernel, such as the custom Etch 2.6.23 kmuto images.
11:12<nordx>okok ^^...
11:12<gsimmons>!tell harry_ -about kmuto
11:12<kop>stew :( Thanks.
11:12<hever>twb: thanks that works but why doesn't a simple hartlink not work ?
11:12<stew>kop: well maybe it's not just you, but it works for me
11:12<stew>hever: becuase your filesystem doesn't support hardlinking
11:12<stew>hever: (hardlinking of directories that is)
11:12<twb>hever: you cannot hard-link directories.
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11:13<nordx>So, i am @ installing debian on my other computer... so far so good, all works, only the identification of my network adapter doesnt work...
11:13<stew>nordx: do you know which network adapter you have?
11:13<harry_>gimmmons: Cheers. I wasn't sure about using the kmuto images.
11:13<harry_>I'll give them a whirl
11:13<gsimmons>harry_: Should that also fail, ask dpkg about 'generic ide' (and use that with the kmuto image). It's resolved a similar issue previously.
11:13<nordx>i have a pci network adapter card in my computer and it is a surecom... but it only showed me Marvell Yukon (onBoard adapter) and a realtek...
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11:14<nordx>SureCom EP320G-TX
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11:15<nordx>*jump* 97% of installing... "Räume auf" ... "clean up"
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11:16<twb>nordx: the label on the outside of the device might be a lie
11:16<twb>nordx: vendors commonly rebadge generic components
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11:16<harry_>gsimmons: I'll report back what happens.
11:16<stew>nordx: so it detects two network cards in your machine, but not the one you are expecting?
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11:17<nordx>the realtek isnt the right one
11:17<stew>nordx: how many network adapaters does your machine have?
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11:19<nordx>only this two
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11:19<nordx>Marvell Yukon Gigabit... onboard card, and a SureCom PCI Card
11:19<spq>you have two nics and detected are two nics?
11:20<Maulkin>So it's got a Marvel thing, an onboard thing, and a SureCom?
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11:20<Maulkin>So... three cards
11:20<spq>you have two nics and detected are two nics?
11:20<nordx>but there cant be three ^^...
11:20<spq>yes to this?
11:20<stew>Maulkin: no, it has a marvel thing which is the onboard thing and a surecom which was detected as realtek
11:20<Maulkin>the marvel, the onboard, and the surecom == 3
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11:21<spq>okay, so your not-on-board card is a 3com card
11:21<Maulkin>Now I'm hust confused :)
11:21<stew>or maybe i am
11:21<kop>Is there a 2.6.23 kernel for etch anywhere? I can't find one at There is something at but it's not exactly up to date.
11:21<stew>probably we all are
11:21<Maulkin>kop: not an official one yet
11:21<spq>[17:17] <spq> you have two nics and detected are two nics?
11:21<spq>[17:17] <d'nordx> but there cant be three ^^...
11:21<spq>[17:17] <spq> yes to this?
11:21<spq>[17:17] <d'nordx> yes
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11:22<kop>Maulkin : Thanks.
11:22<Maulkin>kop: There's an unofficial one kicking around though
11:22<Maulkin>!tell kop about kmuto
11:23<nordx>now i am finish with the installation...
11:23<nordx>now i can look for the cards again,... but where?
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11:23<spq>nordx, where is your problem? if you have two cards and two are detected...
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11:24<spq>the manufactor just sold a rt chip under their name
11:24<nordx>it works -.-'
11:25<nordx>maybe yes
11:25<nordx>it is ^^...
11:25<nordx>but i was connected with the marvell yukon adapter
11:25<kop>Maulkin : Thanks. I recall coming across that before. But I never really understood. So you install with that d-i, but there's no kernels anywhere. So the only way to get a newer kernel is to re-install? Oh wait, I guess you could download the whole iso and mount it loopback and drag a kernel out of it. Right?
11:25<nordx>now i want to connect with the surecom card...
11:25<nordx>hopefully it works now...
11:25<Maulkin>kop: or compile your own.
11:26<Maulkin>kop: or try and grab a backport from there if they have a repository not on the iso.
11:26<kop>Maulkin : That I can do. :)
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11:26<Maulkin>OR wait until etch-and-a-half is released :)
11:26<kop>Maulkin : I wasn't able to find a repository anywhere.
11:26<kop>Maulkin : I wish. I've a box that needs 2.6.23 for the nic.
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11:29<Maulkin>kop: urgh. What sort of horrible nic is it?
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11:29<Maulkin>kop: I'd suggest rollign your own kernel, or grabbing the deb from the iso
11:31<nordx>haha :D
11:31<nordx>debian is a nice OS :> *geeeeking*
11:31<dmobi>for a laptop for desktop use what to put? testing or unstable?
11:31<dmobi>i want it for a simple user
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11:32<nordx>i can hear music ^^... without installing a audio driver :>
11:32<kop>dmobi : For a simple user install stable.
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11:33<dmobi>but stable does not have packages like ndis-gtk. i must install some drivers for wifi card
11:33<kop>Maulkin : I forgot. lspci says "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0)
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11:33<kop>Maulkin : It needs the atl1 driver.
11:33<stew>dmobi: what id ndis-gtk? testing and unstable don't have such a package either
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11:34<dmobi> there is here for unstable and testing
11:34<dmobi>ndisgtk, sorry
11:34<stew>dmobi: you definately don't want unstable
11:36<dmobi>so testing
11:36<dmobi>testing is more near to ubuntu?
11:36<kop>dmobi : Suppose so, if you really require the MS windows drivers.
11:37<dmobi>i see
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11:38<nordx>but why, DHCP doesnt work?
11:38<nordx>i have to write the static ip in the network-configs..
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11:44<nordx>ok now... how can i update my security"things" ... the update didnt worked when i installed debian
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11:49<jolle>could someone please help.. i have to transfer one file over 5gb from my winxp latptop to my ubuntu 7.10 desktop computer.. but i dunno how.. i dont have usb stick or any other that kinda device big enough and i have NAT turned on on my router and in MSN the file is transferred for something like 200kb/s so it comes over internet.. how can make the transfer go faster, so it wouldnt come 'over the internet'.. thx for your answers already :)
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11:51<kop>jolle: Do you have both computers plugged into the same network?
11:51<jolle>yes, same router
11:51<kop>jolle : Do you know the IP numbers assigned to each computer?
11:51<nordx>where i could edit the apt-get informations? because when i want to install the mysql-server or other things or update apt-get it always wants to connect to the cd..
11:52<kop>nordx : /etc/apt/sources.list
11:52<jolle>umm.. i think.. i go, right ?
11:52<nordx>ah thx
11:53<kop>jolle : No. That will give you the IP assigned to your "router", which is standing in for all the computers on your network. (Probably.)
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11:53<jolle>oh yeah.. well in my router settings in firefox, i see two ip's
11:53<kop>jolle : On your MS box open a dos window and type "ipconfig /all". On your Debian box type "/sbin/ifconfig"
11:54<kop>jolle : That'd be them.
11:54<jolle>okay.. what's next
11:54<kop>jolle : What are they?
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11:54<jolle>other is and other ends 101
11:55<jolle>i guess.. i dont remember but anyway the end is not same and the beginning is
11:55<kop>jolle : next, you install putty on you windows box. (We could use samba, and do file sharing. But I always have to poke that with a stick for a while to get it going. Someone else might be able to help with that to make life really easy in the future.)
11:55<kop>jolle : those are they.
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11:55<jolle>well.. okay
11:55<kop>jolle : To install putty, type "putty" into google and hit "I'm feeling lucky". then choose the full install and download that.
11:55<jolle>so "putty" in the google and download newest version, right?
11:56<kop>jolle : Yup. There are several, you may as well install the one with everything.
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11:57<kop>jolle : The other nice thing about putty/ssh/scp is that with that you'll be able to transfer files around the internet, securely. Whereas samba just works on the lan.
11:57<twb>kop: don't bother with the full install
11:57<twb>Just get putty.exe and put it in C:\Windows so it's in %PATH%
11:57<jolle>umm.. right now i cant get into the laptop my dad's busy with it right now but if it's possible, i would appreciate if you would tell me the instructions beforehand.. =)
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11:58<kop>twb : Except that I'll be having him do scp. Does the putty executable do that?
11:58<twb>kop: no, use pscp.exe for that
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11:59<Kokon>I need help: I can ask with 'hwinfo | grep "block.device ="' all block devices like harddisk, floppy, cd-rom. Now i need the Filesystemtype. I could read in the /etc/fstab. But i need to write in new devices manualy. lshal will do the same like hwinfo. So what i want is a tool like kdf or kWikDisk for the Console. Have somone a idea? Short: Ask all avaible Devices and there Mountpoint and FSType and the size(df)
11:59<jolle>kop, now i got the laptop =D it was sooner than i expected
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11:59<jolle>so what's next if i may ask..
12:00<kop>jolle : Anyhow. Once putty's installed, you go to the dos shell in MS Windows and type "scp C:\path\to\file\to\send you@" (Assuming the Linux box is It will ask for your password ("you" being the name of your login) and that's it.
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12:00<jolle>oh gee.. that simple ru sure?
12:01<kop>jolle : It then goes in your home directory. You can read "man scp" on the linux box for more info.
12:01<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
12:01<kop>jolle: It may say something like "I've never seen this computer before, are you sure it's the computer you think it is" before making the connection.
12:02<jolle>okay... keep going =)
12:03<kop>Kokon : You want "file -s /dev/hda1", or something like it. Probably.
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12:04<nordx>i cant edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
12:04<Kokon>thx :)
12:04<nordx>it always say that i dont have the write rights...
12:04<kop>nordx : You need to be root.
12:04<nordx>yes... but how?
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12:05<nordx>if i want to log on as root, it says i cant logon in this window...
12:05<kop>nordx : Depending on your security policy, either "su -" or "sudo bash".
12:05<nordx>or something like that
12:05<twb>kop: I like sudo -i
12:05<twb>sudo bash leaves you with borkage from the parent shell
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12:06<kop>twb: Yes, sudo -i seems cleaner. Thanks.
12:06<nordx>i typed "su"... entered the password and now i am root,... in the terminal... but how can i edit now the sources.list?
12:06<twb>Note that -i isn't available in really old sudos.
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12:06<twb>In which case, use sudo -H -s
12:06<nordx>which notepad is installed on debian?
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12:07<kop>nordx : You want "su -", with the - most likely. But you can probably get away with just su for now.
12:07<twb>nordx: editor /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:07<twb>On Debian `editor' will always link to the systemwide default editor, which by default is nano
12:07<twb>Well, FSVO always.
12:08<rob__>i have 40r2 loaded and the software update does not work. I am new to linux so I am a little lost. Can anyone help?
12:09<twb>rob__: define `software update'
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12:09<rob__>if you use the software update in the admin menu
12:10<rob__>sorry update mgr
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12:12<kop>rob__ : You're running debian right? What is your desktop program that makes the menus? kde? gnome?
12:12<twb>rob__: just "pretend" for a minute that we don't use GUIs.
12:12<rob__>yes I am running debian with gnome
12:13<twb>rob__: do you know what the program name is?
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12:13<kop>rob__ : Right, we don't use guis. they keep changing. We're stuck in 20 years ago, updated to today.
12:13<twb>Run `xprop | grep WM_COMMAND' and click on the window
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12:13<twb>rob__: what does it print?
12:13<twb>(I'm guessing "synaptic")
12:14<rob__>i have synaptic but i went int the desktop>administration> update mgr
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12:15<rob__>what happens is it looks for updates(Security and such) it downloads but does not install them
12:15<jolle>kop: you've done already very much but i'm stuck now with this transfer.. :/
12:15<kop>I happen to be running kde at the moment and don't know how to get to the gnome menus.
12:15<cire>I want to capture the video stream from a usb camera (working with pwc module). What program would you prefer? (best would be console-only)
12:15<kop>jolle : What does it say?
12:16<kop>jolle : (And what did you type!)
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12:18<jolle>well.. i got to the cmd and wrote everything you said.. and now it says something like (it's hard to translate into english..):"command was not identified interior or exterior command"
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12:18<jolle>sorry about my bad enlisgh :D
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12:19<XChatter>hi every body
12:19<XChatter>how to force my LAN users get proxied
12:19<kop>jolle : Humm... Sounds like you might need to give the full pathname to the scp executable. like C:\where\on\disk\scp. IIRC there's some sort of gui front end for this that somebody made for putty, but I'm not sure.
12:20<jan>XChatter: squid transparent + iptables
12:20<@weasel>also, don't.
12:20<XChatter>jan, I've squid configured well
12:20<kop>jolle : (or just cd into where the putty executable lives.)
12:21<jolle>what is scp :o
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12:21<XChatter>jan, but when they choose 'direct connection to internet' in their firefox they are not proxied
12:21<kop>jolle: Oh, I know. duh. Putty's scp program is called pscp, not scp.
12:22<jolle>oh.. :D
12:22<veo|3ds>what's best (or most convenient) ftp server around?
12:23<kop>jolle : Secure CoPy.
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12:24<jolle>but.. in my start menu i see a few programs: "Pageant, PSFTP, PuTTY, PuTTY Manual, PuTTU, Web Site, PuTTYgen" does it has nothing to do with anything that there's no pscp
12:24<twb>jolle: pscp is a command-line program
12:24<kop>veo|3ds : Someone else may correct me, but I'm pretty sure debian "stock" is vsftp. I found it easy, although secure, so there's always more hoops if you want.
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12:24<rob__>twb_ where do I run the xprop command you said earlier
12:24<jolle>umm... so what should i do now?
12:24<kop>jolle : Probably the PSFTP program will do what you want via a gui.
12:25<jolle>i'll try
12:25<kop>jolle : Or run the pscp command from the command like like I said before.
12:25<twb>I highly recommend vsftp for serving world-facing read-only files.
12:25<kop>command line
12:25<twb>rob__: in a shell
12:25<jolle>oh man i'm noob
12:25<kop>rob__ : (Shell means command line.)
12:26<twb>jolle: you will want to make sure PSFTP is configured to use the appropriate protocol (SFTP, SCP or SSH)
12:26<jolle>i thought you meant that i was supposed to type that text into windows command line
12:26<twb>jolle: that's how we'd do it
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12:26<kop>jolle : Yes, you type the pscp commadn into the command line.
12:26<twb>jolle: but we LIKE command lines
12:26<rob__>kop_ how do I get to a command line. sorry i'm a newby
12:26<jolle>ah, okay :D
12:26<jolle>yes, but PSFTP is also command line program
12:27<twb>rob__: alt+f2, type "bash" and press "OK
12:27<twb>Or "run" or something
12:27<jolle>i.m supposed to type the text into that, right? not into windows command line
12:27<twb>Oops, you also need to tick "run in a terminal"
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12:27<kop>jolle : The other thing you'll need to be sure of is that the openssh-server package is installed on your debian box. "aptitude install openssh-server"
12:27<twb>jolle: oh, is it?
12:28<twb>jolle: well, you can either use pscp from the command line, or install a GUI SFTP program
12:28<jolle>oh.. well i guess i'm using command line :)
12:28<twb>kop: is it possible to have a debian server ONLY support SFTP and NOT ssh?
12:28<jolle>actually i have ubuntu.. does it matter? :/
12:29<kop>twb: Yes. I forget the details. It's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
12:29<kop>!tell jolle -about ubuntu
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12:29<kop>jolle : It'll _probably_ work.
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12:32<kop>twb: I swear I did it before. Maybe there's something needs tweaking in pam or /etc/passwd too.
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12:35<XChatter>what to do with iptables when configuring transparent squid proxy??
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12:35<hallmackenreuther>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
12:36<hallmackenreuther>XChatter: Read
12:36<XChatter>it says bad argument tcp :(
12:37<hallmackenreuther>modprobe libipt_tcp
12:37<nordx>how do i search for the right debian sources, for the source.list ?
12:37<@weasel>it should autoload the stuff it needs tho
12:37<hallmackenreuther>sry: libipt-tcp
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12:38<XChatter>it's ok now
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12:38<nordx>for example... i want to install mysql-server-5.0
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12:38<@weasel>nordx: apt-cache search mysql | grep server?
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12:39<@weasel>nordx: apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
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12:39<kop>nordx : You put the sources in your sources.list and then aptitude finds the right source automagically.
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12:39<kop>!tell nordx -about backports
12:40<@weasel>kop: what has backports to do with this?
12:40<jolle>kop, this is not working.. :/ it still complains the same thing that "psftp" isn't a program
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12:40<fxiny>kop: sorted ?
12:40<kop>weasel : I'm not clear on what he wants. He asked about installing particular versions of packages.
12:40<@weasel>kop: so?
12:41<@weasel>kop: 5.0 is in stable.
12:41<kop>weasel : If he updates his sources to, say sid, to get a particular version, bad things will happen.
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12:42[~]weasel shakes head
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12:43<kop>jolle : The command line program is pscp, the menu item is for psftp.
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12:43<jolle>i also tried pscp and same result :/
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12:43<fxiny>how old is etch ? can't remember
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12:44<kop>jolle : Did you put in the full path to pscp?
12:44<obiwan>Debian uses inetd by default yes?
12:44<jolle>kop yes i did
12:44<sepski>fxiny, released on April 8th, 2007
12:44<fxiny>sepski: ok
12:44<jolle>kop no wait.. what do you mean..
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12:45<sepski>obiwan, if you install a inetd using service openbsd-inetd will be the default yes,
12:45<obiwan>how do I replace it with xinetd?
12:45<obiwan>I am running etch
12:45<jolle>kop i typed "pscp C:\this\is\where\the\path\is.typed"
12:45<kop>jolle : Insead of "scp" you'd write "c:\programs\wierd\windows\location\putty\pscp" I don't know the exact path.
12:45<fxiny>i have just one bpo installed , i believe i'll go to lenny/stable this way . sarge needed more bpo packages
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12:45<sepski>obiwan, aptitude search inetd and install the one you want
12:46<@weasel>obiwan: install it?
12:46<sepski>probably called xinetd something
12:46<jolle>kop oh man you mean i have to type pscp path also? :D
12:46<kop>jolle : right.
12:46<obiwan>do I need to remove the default inetd first?
12:46<sepski>they should conflict so it should happen by itself
12:46<@weasel>maybe. probably not. try it?
12:46<@weasel>what's the worst that could happen
12:47<fxiny>unless the next firebug3 will be good and backported
12:47<sepski>obiwan, actauly you can happily run both, so yes you have to remove it (if you dont want both)
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12:47<obiwan>i just installed xinetd
12:47<obiwan>Adding `diversion of /etc/init.d/inetd to /etc/init.d/inetd.real by xinetd'
12:47<kop>nordx: You might want to read the reference manual section about installing software at
12:47<obiwan>that's what it said
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12:48<fxiny>installing xinetd on etch ? very easy
12:48<jolle>kop what is the file's end..? like .exe or something.
12:48<kop>jolle : I don't think that part's needed. but I think it's .exe.
12:49<@weasel>could you take your windows talk some place else, folks?
12:49<kop>weasel : he's trying to transfer a file to a debian box. It either this or we tell him how to install and configure samba.
12:49<@weasel>tell him to install winscp
12:50<@weasel>not that "want to make my windows box talk to debian" is a good reason to give windows support in here.
12:50<obiwan>okay I think I have done it
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12:51<fxiny>hard work :P
12:51<fxiny>obiwan: :)
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12:56<twb>##windows on provides Windows support, I believe
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12:58<kop>twb: Well, we don't want windows support either, because there's a debian half of the ssh connection. I think a channel dedicated to ssh might be the place.
12:58<jolle>kop oh weak.. this says that there is no such a path :/
12:59<obiwan>removing the existing inetd doesn't seem easy
12:59<twb>kop: so he can do the sshd half here
12:59<twb>kop: he can go there for winscp
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12:59<obiwan>which is it, is it openbsd-inetd or inet-superserver
12:59<twb>The two steps are totally independent
13:00<twb>obiwan: either
13:00<obiwan>aptitude complains when I try to remove it
13:00<fxiny>obiwan: i've checked xinetd with vsftpd : automagically done it as expected
13:00<kop>jolle : They're right. This really is a windows problem and we can't talk about it here. Either use the PSFTP menu item or install winscp per weasel suggestion or figure out how to run something at the MS command line yourself. Then come back if there's more problems. Sorry.
13:01<obiwan>it tells me this:
13:01<obiwan>Install the following packages:
13:01<obiwan>inetutils-inetd [2:1.5.dfsg.1-2 (stable)]
13:01<fxiny>stopping , adding diversion , starting
13:01<kop>jolle : Or take twb's suggestion and go to ##windows on for windows support.
13:01<obiwan>what's inetutils-inetd?
13:01<obiwan>why do I need it?
13:01<twb>obiwan: another inetd implementation
13:02<fxiny>now i'm back with inetd , it was just a test
13:02<obiwan>I can't remove it!
13:02<jolle>kop okay i understand, but thank you a lot for trying to help, i appreciate it =)
13:02<twb>inetd is a daemon that connects daemons to ports, reducing the work that needs to be done by the daemons
13:02<fxiny>nmap doesn't like xinetd :P
13:02<obiwan>apt-get remove tells me a whole bunch of other stuff needs to be removed too
13:02<kop>jolle : just be sure you've the openssh-server package installed on the linux side.
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13:03<obiwan>mutt? exim?
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13:03<azeem>obiwan: because they need inetd?
13:03<azeem>obiwan: why don't you just install xinetd?
13:03<@weasel>because you try to get rid of netbase
13:03<obiwan>but I _have_ xinetd!
13:03<@weasel>so be happy, smile, and move on
13:04<obiwan>I don't need openbsd-inetd
13:04<twb>obiwan: you lie
13:04<fxiny>why not ?
13:04<@weasel>it won't start if it doesn't have any services configured
13:04<fxiny>i prefere inetd
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13:05<obiwan>so you're telling me there's no way to remove openbsd-inetd without removing all that other stuff I need
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13:05<obiwan>but I should just keep it installed?
13:05<@weasel>there is, but I can't be bothered to explain debian to you.
13:05<@weasel>so yes, just keep it installed
13:05<fxiny>why yoy want xinted ?
13:06<fxiny>do you know what xinetd does ?
13:06<obiwan>the same thing inetd does
13:06<@weasel>fxiny: expand.
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13:06<fxiny>it does more for binding for example
13:07<fxiny>to ifaces
13:07<sepski>and binding is needed when you want to use vservers
13:07<obiwan>yes but basically it's for the same purpose is it not
13:07<fxiny>is not the same
13:07<obiwan>you can either use one or the other
13:07<@weasel>fxiny: and his is this relevant to this discussion?
13:07<fxiny>weasel: dunno , i said it does more and i said i don't use it
13:08<fxiny>weasel: i wanted just to see how debian install it and everyone can check : is perfect
13:09<obiwan>uh, thanks
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13:13<fxiny>i forgot xinetd logs
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13:15<fxiny>and bitlbee :P
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13:29<Szaln>hello folks
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13:29<Szaln>how can i ask for the uuid of an unmounted swap?
13:30<sooperkuh>doesn't vol_id do this?
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13:31<Szaln>no, only gives the info of mounted partitions
13:31<Szaln>and, ...........
13:32<Szaln>it doesn't give the active swap's also
13:32<stew>Szaln: "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" ?
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13:32<sooperkuh> /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hda2
13:32<sooperkuh>gives an uuid for my swap partition
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13:34<Szaln>valuable info, but still it doesn't with the unomunted swap........ what do you think if i do a swapon?
13:34<stew>Szaln: what kind of device is the swap partition on?
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13:35<stew>Szaln: does the parition show up in 'fdisk -l' ?
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13:36<dulinho>sorka.... umiał by mi ktoś pomóc....:) na debianie w jednym z moich folderów nie ma paru plików... natomiast gdy jestem na windowsie one są... nie wie ktoś czemu tak jest?
13:37<zirblok>dulinho: sfdkfv cweodcnnca akscjasc akscjas ckasjc a
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13:37<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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13:39<Szaln>still I can't with swapon...............
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13:41<cahoot>if you mount it first and pick up its uuid for future use?
13:41<stew>Szaln: can't what?
13:41<Szaln>can't mount the external usb swap
13:41<stew>Szaln: what command are you running and what error are you getting?
13:42<Szaln>sudo swapon /dev/sdb2
13:42<Szaln>it doesn't give errors
13:42<stew>Szaln: and what is the problem?
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13:43<stew>Szaln: you wish to use a UUID instead of a device name?
13:43<Szaln>the problem is that i cannot see any entry for the usb swap in ls -l
13:43<kop>jolle: Transfer may be slow because of network speed, disk speed, or cpu overhead in the encryption. "vmstat 5" might help
13:44<stew>Szaln: in which directory are you expecting to see an entry?
13:44<Szaln>is important to know the uuid because is a complete debian in usb drive
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13:44<Szaln> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
13:44<jolle>kop: type that in where? :/
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13:45<Szaln>this command gives me all the uuids of the mounted filesystems, but not the usb swap :-(
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13:46<kop>jolle : On the unix command line. You might want to read "man vmstat" to understand what it's telling you.
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13:47<stew>Szaln: try hal-device or hal-device-manager to see if you can find it
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13:47<stew>though if hal knows about it, udev should
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13:49<arag0rn>may i ask an awk question ?
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13:50<zirblok>arag0rn: try it
13:50<arag0rn>ok thx
13:50<stew>Szaln: perhaps something like hal-device | awk '/sdb2/{seen=1};/uuid/{if(seen){print $3;exit}}'
13:50<arag0rn>i have a file just for test with 2 timestamps on 2 lines
13:51<arag0rn>i want to print this timestamps in UTC+0100 format
13:51<arag0rn>first line : 1199401200
13:51<zirblok>well - do it.
13:51<arag0rn>second line 1199381709
13:52<arag0rn>cat file | awk -F";" '{ system("date -d "1970-01-01 UTC+0100 $1 seconds""); }'
13:52<arag0rn>i get an error
13:52<arag0rn>date: date invalide `1968641199401200'
13:52<arag0rn>date: date invalide `1968641199381709'
13:52<Szaln>stew: 'empty'
13:53<arag0rn>what's this 196864 ?
13:53<zirblok>for i in $cat file
13:54<zirblok>echo $i | awk -F";" '{ system("date -d "1970-01-01 UTC+0100 $1 seconds""); }'
13:55<arag0rn>it will not solve the problem
13:55<arag0rn>no need to loop i think
13:55<arag0rn>the loop is in cat
13:55<arag0rn>date -d "1970-01-01 UTC+0100 1199401200 seconds"
13:55<Szaln>i'll, return in a minute. will test the new grub and fstab
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13:56<snavla>hi im a real noob to linux. can i ask a really noob question?
13:56<stew>arag0rn: perl -pe '$_=scalar localtime $_' < file
13:56<arag0rn>jeudi 3 janvier 2008, 23:00:00 (UTC+0100)
13:56<arag0rn>i m french
13:56<arag0rn>i think it is just a probleme with the "
13:56<arag0rn>used after -d in date("
13:57<kop>!tell snavla -about ask
13:57<snavla>iv e run the Debian cd, and in safe grafikmode i got to the desktop, but there is no install icon as described in release notes.
13:58<kop>snavla : Got a url for those release notes?
13:58<snavla>ill try and find the again, minute
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14:00<arag0rn>thx stew it seems to work
14:01<arag0rn>but i would like to have the other fields if any in the file
14:01<arag0rn>all in place but the timestamp replaced with the time in utc format
14:01<simonrvn>@release notes
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14:31<nordx>how could i install the newest version of firefox?! i downloaded the tar.gz file and extracted them, but now? which file i have to open or what i have to do with the files?
14:32<@weasel>you don't.
14:32<nordx>öhm.. and how can i run firefox now?!
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14:33<twb>nordx: apt-get install iceweasel
14:33<nordx>i have iceweasel..
14:33<twb>nordx: the rule of thumb is: don't ever install anything except via apt.
14:33<nordx>but cant i use firefox instead of that?
14:33<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
14:33<dpkg>one warez list being sent to marxx
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14:34<leo>Hi all. I've a problem with my X server, I log-in, but when i begin to see my desktop, my X crashs, look my Xorg.0.log :
14:34<leo>0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c82f1]
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14:34<leo>1: [0xffffe420]
14:34<leo>Fatal server error:
14:34<leo>Caught signal 11. Server aborting
14:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
14:34<nordx>!why iceweasel
14:34<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
14:34<nordx>omg ^.^
14:34<leo>twb: i cannot paste: i don't have any X server working
14:35<twb>leo: so use a text-based browser.
14:35<leo>lynx don't allow me to paste.
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14:36<leo>anyone know what the fuck is happen? :/
14:36<twb>leo: well yes; your X server is segfaulting.
14:37<twb>leo: without the full Xorg.log it is difficult to be more specific
14:37<johns>leo: use gnu screen
14:37<johns>for pasting
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14:37<leo>gnu screen for pasting? wtf
14:37<leo>i know what screen is, but pasting with that? err
14:39<johns>leo: yes, screen gives you copy and paste capabilities
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14:40<leo>ok, i try
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14:46<kevin>Hello. I'm running Debian Etch Stable, and everything so far has been good. However, I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils. When I run alsaconf, it says command not found. Alsaconf worked two weeks ago when I installed Debian. Has something changed?
14:47<twb>I noticed the other day that I needed to restart after installing sound-base before alsamixer would work
14:48<kevin>Alright, I'll try it.
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14:50<kevin>Well, I tried it.
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14:51<kevin>No dice.
14:51<Supaplex>!roll 3d6
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14:51<twb>kevin: does `aptitude search ~b' print anything?
14:51<dpkg>supaplex rolled: 4
14:51<dpkg>somebody said rr was Ram & Rom, a computer store in Oslo, Norway. RR is also RockRidge, an extension to ISO-9660, which allows unix filesystem semantics to be stored on a standard data CD. Unenlightened OS's will ignore it, and it can work alongside both Joliet and HFS extensions. Resource Record
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14:51<twb>I wanted to play roulette
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14:52<kevin>Dibs on blackjack.
14:52<kevin>But yeah, nothing on the search.
14:53<twb>russian blackjack?
14:53<twb>How does that work?
14:53<kevin>There are twenty one guns.
14:53<kevin>And a juggler.
14:54<nordx>ehm... when i installed ssh on network debian computer, can i join with putty over the network on this computer?
14:54<twb>nordx: putty is only a client
14:55<twb>Putty can connect to a debian server running openssh-server, but a Debian host running openssh-client cannot connect to a Windows machine with PuTTY
14:55<nordx>i know... i have the client on my computer A, computer A OS: WinXP, both are online and in the same network, computer B OS: debian etch (4)
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14:56<nordx>and when i open the connection putty says "Network errror: conncetion refused" ...
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14:57<nordx>on debian (computer B) i installed ssh with "apt-get install ssh"
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14:58<twb>nordx: meaning that sshd is not running, or it is configured to hate you
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15:01<nordx>didnt start the daemon... >.<
15:01<Supaplex>no biscuit for yew!
15:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64.
15:02<twb>ia64 is biarch?!
15:02<twb>I thought the whole reason it sucked was that it wasn't
15:02<nordx>but i CAN login with root... although i changed PermitRootLogin No
15:02<twb>nordx: did you restart sshd?
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15:04<twb>Personally I tend to tell the firewall to only allow port 22 from a whitelist of hosts/networks *and* do the same in sshd_config with AllowUsers twb@X.X.X.*
15:04<nordx>i changed the port
15:04<nordx>and only allow one user
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15:05<twb>I think AllowUsers supersedes PermitRootLogin
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15:20<chump_>hey guys how would i tell which kernels i have install i think i acidently installed 686-bigmem when i was trying to configure Virtualbox
15:20<kurumin>no entendi
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15:21<kurumin>portugues plis
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15:24<valdyn>chump_: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
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15:24<valdyn>chump_: mind, not all listed will be "real" kernels.
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15:24<valdyn>chump_: s/will/might/
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15:26<Killing_Frost>Anyone remember were to tweak the startup/login to prevent the motd from being changed back to that stewpid welcome screen every time you login? Tried grepping the entire? /etc dir for "motd" and nothing shows up.
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15:28<stew>Killing_Frost: its done in /etc/init.d/
15:29[~]Killing_Frost growls. KNEW I forgot to grep somewhere...Thank you *very* much!
15:29<twb>And /etc/motd.tail
15:29<twb>I remember that snuck into Etch and annoyed some people
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15:32<Killing_Frost>Wat's motd.tail for/from?
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15:33<valdyn>Killing_Frost: /etc/motd is constructed on bootup, see /etc/init.d/
15:33<Killing_Frost>(prolly find it in init.d)
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15:34[~]Killing_Frost jamz...
15:34<Killing_Frost>Thanks again...Take care.
15:34<chump_>i did install the bigmem kernel is there any reason i should switch to this kernel
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15:35<valdyn>chump_: how much ram do you have?
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15:37<neosix>Hello! Can somebody tell how to bring ath0 on strart. Every time I have to type: iwconfig ESSID... than ifconfig...
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15:38<neosix>In Gentoo I have to edit some files in conf.d, but where is that in Debian?
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15:38<bremner>neosix: /etc/network/interfaces
15:38<neosix>bremner: Ok, but where I can put my ESSID
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15:40[~]bremner goes to look for an example
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15:41<neosix>OK I'll try
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15:43<bremner>neosix: the thing to look for is wireless-essid: foo in an interface description
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15:44<neosix>OK thanks
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15:45<bremner>neosix: what kind of encryption? WPA, WEP, None?
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15:47<neosix>It is strage I can't use dhcp nor static, but I can connect if I type iwconfig ESSID.. and ifconfig ath0 up
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15:47<chump_>i have 2 gigs of ram
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15:51<bremner>(basically you can tell ifup to do the iwconfig(s) for you)
15:51<neosix>bremner: OK I'll check that
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15:53<latenal>hello, how do I know if i installed only right packages?
15:54<latenal>i mean, i want be sure, that there is no junk on my system
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15:54<bremner>latenal: define junk
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15:55<latenal>i just compiled audacious, i got to know that I didn't have some packages. like.. pango
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15:56<Myon>latenal: debfoster, deborphan
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15:56<bremner>if junk=unused libraries, then yes, what Myon said
15:58<latenal>if now the libraries are unused, it's a junk. But what if I'll need it later?
15:59<latenal>some libraries i will never have to use
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16:00<Myon>that's an AI-complete problem
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16:03<Supaplex>don't forget the dead tree kind to. :)
16:03<bremner>have fast net: install them again later. have big disk: keep everything. Have neither: cry
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16:03<FaCeLifT> Celebrity Cosmetic Surgery Botch Jobs! MUST SEE!
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16:03<FaCeLifT> Celebrity Cosmetic Surgery Botch Jobs! MUST SEE!
16:03<FaCeLifT> Celebrity Cosmetic Surgery Botch Jobs! MUST SEE!
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16:03<Supaplex>yes facelift, my apache benchmark shall see ;) twits. :p
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16:05<bremner>d0rt: sid/i386 kdebase upgrade works again (for me)
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16:23<monra>I just installed debian etch and as i see from /proc/cpuinfo my processors are working full speed(1.59 MhZ each) when i got intel core Duo 1.6 Ghz and that ends the battery too soon. How can i fix that?
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16:24<xsdg>monra: does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ exist?
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16:26<monra>xsdg: no
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16:28<E0x>read the part about : CPU Frequency Control:
16:28<E0x>i dont known much about laptop but i think that can help you a bit
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16:34<neosix_>bremner: I did it :). I edited interfaces: iface ath0 inet manual, and than I created script in /usr/local/bin and works :). Thams for help!
16:34<neosix_>Thanks for help!*
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16:45<chump_>is there any way to scroll up on irssi?
16:45<@weasel>tried PgUp?
16:45<vook>hit the page up key
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16:50<vook>how would I properly upgrade to gnome 2.20 without moving my whole system to unstable? I'm already running lenny. I have just encountered what is apparently a debian specific gnome bug.
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16:54<dondelelcaro>vook: get a backport of gnome to whatever version of Debian you're using
16:55<vook>dondelelcaro: thanks
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16:58<vook>something else I've been curious about - after I've added my user to a new group (fuse for example), how can I sort of "refresh" my group membership without logging out and back in?
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16:59<dondelelcaro>vook: start a new login shell
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16:59<vook>I did, it didn't work.
17:00<vook>while in X, I added myself to fuse, closed all terminals, started a new on, and my group permissions still were the same.
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17:01<dondelelcaro>you didn't start a new login shell
17:01<dondelelcaro>you just created more shells
17:01<vook>well, I closed X and went back to console, typed "group" and fuse still didn't show up, so I had to log out and back in.
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17:03<icks>vook: yes, you have to login again or login in some other way (e.g. using su)
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17:04<dondelelcaro>vook: again, you have to invoke a new login shell; whether that means ssh'ing to localhost, loging out and back in, or doing something else
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17:04<aleph> /server
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17:05<vook>ok, I knew I could do so if I logged in again, but - to the original question - I was wondering if it was possible to do so without logging out and back in. thanks.
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17:08<dondelelcaro>vook: you either start a new login shell somehow, or use newgrp or sg, or whatever.
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17:09<dondelelcaro>you don't have to login/logout unless you need everything to belong to the new group
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17:14<vook>dondelelcaro: yeah. Effectively I did need everything to belong to the new group. I needed my normal user to have rw access to a new fuse mount (while keeping the permissions on the mount at 0775 - and the group of the directory being fuse (the new group)) I do see what you are saying though... I could've opened a terminal, and done 'su - myuser'
17:15<vook>right on - thanks...
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17:23<Breeder>i'm getting this warning "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!", missing some key?
17:24<Supaplex>Breeder: yea, see topic
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17:27<monra>i installed ratpoison in a fresh installed etch system. When booting the laptop i get into tty1 i write startx and i work fine in ratpoison but when clicking Ctr+Alt+F1 i go to just a black screen!!! Why is this and what can i do to fix it?
17:28<Tuplad>I would like to reinstall debian, which image should I download ? There is that netinstall one of 700mb and one of ~180mb... in august I did the 700mb one but it came with KDE, Gnome and lots of other software... but I'd only like Gnome :)
17:29<Supaplex>Tuplad: netinst is usually the right choice (unless you have limited/no connectivity, various hw compatibility issues)
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17:30<Tuplad>Supaplex: thanks, is there some more info on netinst on debian's site ?
17:30<Tuplad>I can only find the download link
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17:31<dpkg>netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
17:32<Supaplex>Tuplad: while it doesn't come with kde or gnome, you can download that after debian is installed (instead of before)
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17:32<Tuplad>oh, so the system gets setup, and I only get console mode ?
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17:33<Supaplex>yes. to install gnome, just run aptitude install gnome
17:33<Tuplad>omg that's sexy :o
17:34<Supaplex>isn't it though? :)
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17:37<Tuplad>hehe :d
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17:42<bjoern1102>Hallo Leute
17:42<bjoern1102>habt ihr ne ahnung ob ich ein programm zur raumplanung irgendwoher bekommen?
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17:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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17:50<Tuplad>Supaplex: maybe you know the answer, but can I install from an extern harddrive instead of a cd ? :}
17:51<Supaplex>I think the install guide covers that
17:51<Supaplex>!tell Tuplad -about i-g
17:51[~]Supaplex forgets the last time he installed (hint: ages)
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17:52<Tuplad>thanks2u :)
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17:57<Tuplad>Supaplex: nopes, nothing on that :(
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17:59<Tuplad>and google gives only how to install ON an external hdd instead of from
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18:03<Ichigo-Hollow>anyone could help me?
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18:06<izzi>Ichigo-Hollow: with what
18:07<JasonS>Ichigo-Hollow: ask your real question
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18:08<Tuplad>ah I think I have found it,
18:08<Ichigo-Hollow>to find de device id of a pci sound card
18:09<Ichigo-Hollow>i want this
18:09<Ichigo-Hollow>of my sound card
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18:11<izzi>lspci -s nn:nn.n -n
18:12<izzi>try that
18:12<Ichigo-Hollow>damian@HoLLy:~$ lspci -s nn:nn.n -n
18:12<Ichigo-Hollow>lspci: -s: Invalid bus number
18:12<izzi>lspci -s nn:nn.n -n' to identify the hardware vendor:device ID of the sound card for the given PCI bus ID.
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18:13<Ichigo-Hollow>damian@HoLLy:~$ lspci -s nn:nn.n -n
18:13<Ichigo-Hollow>lspci: -s: Invalid bus number
18:13<Ichigo-Hollow>damian@HoLLy:~$ lspci -s nn:nn.n -n'
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18:13<izzi>better read this :)
18:14<Ichigo-Hollow>this is not what i need
18:14<Ichigo-Hollow>i have already
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18:17<steven-m>hi all
18:17<steven-m>does anyone know if there's away to prohibite the of the use of the su command over ssh?
18:17<steven-m>hi Ichigo-Hollow
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18:19<simonrvn>!tell Ichigo-Hollow -about paste
18:19<simonrvn>!tell Ichigo-Hollow -about paster
18:21<izzi>steven-m: search google on disable the root SSH login and PAM
18:22<reto>izzi: but thats not what he want, is it?
18:23<reto>steven-m: btw, don't use su at all and switch to sudo, doesn't help with your problem (afaik) but it generally reduces some risks
18:23<izzi>i think he dont what thats users cant use the command su when the use ssh
18:25<reto>but doesn't break deactivating pam a lot of other things?
18:25<reto>like local su?
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18:50<righard>Hello, I've bought a new computer, which has an onboard graphicscard with the BusID 00:0d.0 unnfortunatly xorg does not understeand this...does anybody have an idea as to how to covert this?
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18:53<stroyan>righard: The BusID means little. Run "lspci | grep VGA" to see exactly what kind of graphics hardware you have.
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18:54<righard>I yes I did this, but I need to fill in a BusID because I have two graphic cards.
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19:11<darsie>where can I find documentation on how to use files in /etc/modutils? I was told to put 'options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1' in /etc/modules.conf, but modules.conf tells me to use /etc/modutils.
19:12<stew>darsie: what version of debian are you running?
19:12<stew>darsie: then you want to be using /etc/modprobe.d/ instead, "man modprobe.conf"
19:13<stew>darsie: and you should just be able to create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d containing that line
19:13<darsie>a file with any name
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19:15<stew>darsie: yes
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19:17<darsie>there is a file with 'options nvidia ...' . I have to add to this line, right?
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19:20<stew>darsie: no
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19:26<darsie>killing X ... bye
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19:28<job>how do you set up a network of debian to debian machines
19:28<dondelelcaro>job: same way you set up any network
19:29<job>but where do you start? i set up samba every deb machine can communicate with the xp box but nothing from deb to deb
19:29<dondelelcaro>job: the debian machines can use samba, they can use nfs, or whatever else.
19:30<job>they say each other but there is no way to navigate in /home
19:30<dondelelcaro>job: but that sort of sharing is generally an insane network design
19:30<dondelelcaro>job: individual machines shouldn't be sharing files with eachother. They should be using a central server to store and retrieve files
19:30<job>no big deal about security here just a small home network
19:31<job>ok can i make one deb machine that central server?
19:31<dondelelcaro>if you want
19:31<job>if yes then i would like to know how to have my notebook retrieve files from the deb server
19:32<dondelelcaro>you can use samba, nfs, rsync, almost anything you want.
19:32<job>can i use a combination of samba for windows machine and nfs for linux?
19:32<dondelelcaro>if you want
19:32<job>my problem is that right now samba is not working for me between debian machines
19:33<dondelelcaro>you most likely just haven't added the right users to the smbpasswd file, and you may not have allowed the home directories to be shared
19:33<job>i have read so much on the subject and xchat is my last source of info
19:34<job>is there a way to show you one of my samba file on here?
19:35<job>meanwhile though, from the xp box to the server (deb) i am asked username and password accordingly
19:35<job>and for /home xp goes in no problemo but from my debian noteboot nada
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19:48<linxa>i have a question
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19:48<dmobi>at ubuntu system administration there is an option for language support to change the gnome language. How can i add something like to debian also? i have tried both debian stable and unstable but did not find such option and i dont know how to switch debian to greek. thanks
19:48<linxa>i need to configure this:
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19:50<linxa>when the user come to the system, the user can change the password only one time per session
19:50<linxa>is it possible
19:50<oxymor00n>dmobi: you can choose the language at the login screen for example, in gdm
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19:51<andrea>hi to all
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19:52<linxa>i lost my session here
19:53<meritol>I have a problem, I use dd to copy a win partition from hda1 (hd1,0) to sda2 (hd0,2), configurate grub but grub dont start win :(
19:53<meritol>hi linxa
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19:54<linxa>when the user log on server, this user can change his password wherever he wants
19:55<linxa>i need to configurate the server for that the user can change only one time his password
19:55<linxa>is it possible?
19:55<meritol>grub configuration:
19:57<linxa>someone help me!!!
19:57<dmobi>oxymor00n: there is only option for english and not greek! how can i install greek for exampe?
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20:00<oxymor00n>dpkg-reconfigure locales and generate greek or install locales-all (i think)
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20:15<Babarbapapa>hi there
20:15<Babarbapapa>i need some help :/
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20:16<Babarbapapa>ok, verybody sleeping.. sweet dreams guys :)
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20:18<DaCapn>1) is you have a problem ask a real question that will get you help. 2) don't expect a response within 2 minutes
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20:19<Babarbapapa>sorry, considering that big list above, i thought there will be constant activity
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20:21<mav>i have installed banshee and banshee-daap though i cant find anything to do with daap?
20:22<Babarbapapa>i just installed etch on cobalt qube 2 (mipsel) in wich i did plug a PCI card with realtek gigabit 8169 + agere IEEE1394 + nec USB 2.0. But seems like qube cant this the combo-pci card, how can i verify this , and get drivers compiled for this card on ma mipsel qube?
20:22<DaCapn>meaning you don't know what DAAP is or you don't see any options for DAAP?
20:23<mav>dont see any options for daap sorry
20:24<Babarbapapa>(lspci dont show my pci-combo card)
20:24<Babarbapapa>dont show any part of it, actually
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20:35<esaym>using "nmap -p80" will show all hosts that are up with either a closed,open, or filtered port 80. How can I get it to show only the hosts with an open port 80?
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20:37<mav>i have installed banshee with the daap package though i cant see any daap options?
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20:42<DaCapn>esaym if nothing else you could always pipe it into grep right?
20:42<esaym>hmm yea let me try
20:44<Babarbapapa>noone for ma weird qube?
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20:46<kfb>The best way to install Debian 'Lenny' is to install Debian Etch first then upgrade to Lenny ?
20:47<dondelelcaro>kfb: yes
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20:50<chealer>kfb: not necessarily. if you have a working lenny installer it will be faster.
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20:51<kfb>chealer: I have an Etch netinst CD allready burned from a previous installation so I'm guessing I'll just use that
20:52<Babarbapapa>nobody like qubes :'( poor, poor qubes
20:53<DaCapn>what is a mipsel qube anyway?
20:53<kfb>chealer: does Lenny come with kernel 2.6.22 or 2.6.23 ?
20:53<chealer>kfb: 2.6.22
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20:54<Babarbapapa>Qube is a lillte home server with a mips CPU (RISC)
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20:55<Babarbapapa>mine is qube2 , aka 2800
20:55<Babarbapapa>debian dist are different for mips and mipsel , and qube is mipsel, but that's not the big fact.
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20:56<Babarbapapa>mips and mipsel are quite same things, like bonnet blanc and blanc bonnet ^^
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20:57<esaym>DaCapn: yea that works now I need to figure out how to make grep print the two lines above "open"
20:57<DaCapn>oh... hahah right
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20:58<dondelelcaro>esaym: -B
20:58<dondelelcaro>esaym: man grep
20:58<Babarbapapa>grep -p
20:58<Babarbapapa>grep -pdelimiter
20:58<esaym>thank you I see that in the man pages ;-)
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21:01<gsimmons>Babarbapapa: Your card should be appearing in `lspci' output. Check that you have the card inserted fully into the slot. Part of the PCI card's bracket protudes slightly through the base of the unit, which can result in an unseated card if the base was obstructed.
21:01<kfb>Debian Lenny comes with kernel version 2.6.22-6 rather than 2.6.22-14 or ?
21:01<bma>This is probably a silly question, but what’s happened to the kernel packages in Sid? They don’t appear to exist…
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21:04<chealer>kfb: yes
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21:07<dondelelcaro>bma: uh... they're still there
21:07<dondelelcaro>!+info linux-image-2.6.23-1-686
21:07<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
21:07<dpkg>linux-image-2.6.23-1-686: (Linux 2.6.23 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.23-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18011 kB, Installed size: 52380 kB
21:08<bma>Ah. I should've updated before asking...
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21:10<leeds>testing 1 2 3
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21:12<seeS>hi leeds
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21:12<leeds>hello im working
21:14<leeds>my pc that is
21:14<seeS>thats good news
21:15<leeds>just run debian and seeing if all ok
21:16<leeds>laters other projects to contend with
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21:17<kfb>chealer: does the default Lenny kernel support SMP or does one need a custom compile ?
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21:18<kfb>chealer: because my CPU has dual cores and can use SMP
21:18<seeS>uname -a will tell you if it does
21:18<seeS>also you'll see 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo
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21:20<bernardo>I'm having trouble setting up my Ralink rt2561 wireless LAN card... anyone have one of these?
21:20<DaCapn>why might I have a hard time getting my initramfs made with yaird to be able to decrypt an encrypted root? If I boot into the root while it's unencrypted I can mount the secondary encrypted partitions jsut fine
21:20<seeS>i got a 3945 sorry
21:21<seeS>ah similiar problem, you need firmware
21:21<bernardo>seeS: i know....i already have the firmware
21:22<bernardo>seeS: it seems that my problem is that the card is not connecting to the router
21:22<seeS>did you make the driver module?
21:22<bernardo>seeS: I did...
21:22<seeS>ok, so it loads ok, you get an interface
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21:23<bernardo>seeS: it seems to be an issue regarding the wpa
21:23<chealer>kfb: there's no "default Lenny kernel". which Linux image do you use?
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21:23<seeS>yep. wpa can be a pain
21:23<seeS>how are you setting the parameters?
21:23<bernardo>seeS: oh yeah.....
21:24<bernardo>seeS: well...i'm doing pretty much what i've done with my intel wireless card...
21:24<bernardo>seeS: using wpa_supplicant
21:24<bernardo>seeS: configuring the /etc/network/interfaces
21:25<seeS>ah ok, i used network-manager
21:26<bernardo>seeS: does it really works?
21:26<seeS>it took a lot of mucking around but yes i got it in the end
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21:28<bernardo>seeS: hm....I think that setting up wireless cards should be more straighforward....
21:28<seeS>on my laptop, which im using at the moment, i used the network manager app and it works fine. the trick was removing all the manual stuff
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21:29<bernardo>seeS: well...maybe i will try that too....
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21:29<steven-m>does anyone know if there's away to prohibite the of the use of the su command over ssh?
21:30<seeS>i just deleted the interface out of /etc/network/interfaces
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21:30<seeS>i imagine pam would have something for that
21:31<Kokon>Hello, how can i ask over the console witch partition is part of an extendet partition for an sh script?
21:31<Kokon> -sda1 - ext2
21:31<Kokon> -sda2 - ext3
21:31<Kokon> -sda3 - extendet partition
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21:32<steven-m>seeS: pam?
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21:33<seeS>hmm, perhaps permit only if it is a local tty
21:33<bahatpc>bernardo: I got WPA working by playing around will all possible settings in /etc/network/interfaces and watching their effect with wpa_cli
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21:33<seeS>pam_listfile does that, put your list of local ttys in a file
21:34<steven-m>seeS: how?
21:34<seeS>in /etc/pam.d/su
21:34<seeS>auth required onerr=fail item=tty sense=allow file=/etc/suttys
21:35<seeS>suttys has the list of permitted ttys, eg not remote ones
21:35<steven-m>seeS: what is pam?
21:35<Supaplex>dpkg: pam
21:35<dpkg>[pam] the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at PAM Always Malfunctions
21:36<seeS>pam always malfunctions, lol. and when it does its very :(
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21:39<bernardo>bahatpc: thanks for the tip....
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21:39<steven-m>seeS: is there something is su's config that will do the job?
21:40<seeS>not that i know of
21:40<steven-m>seeS: or in sshd's?
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21:43<seeS>ssh can be restricted to certain commands
21:43<seeS>so a user can only run one or two things
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21:49<steven-m>seeS: can you do the reverse?
21:50<seeS>from what i remember only listing what you can do
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21:53<steven-m>so you can't list band commands?
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22:04<bahatpc>steven-m: what are you trying to do? there might be other ways to accomplish the same or similar, eg: forbid su to certain users, or root access from non-ttys (as seeS suggested)
22:04<bahatpc>ie, do you not trust ssh in general, or just most users of ssh?
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22:05<seeS>i wasnt sure myself, the other idea is a wheelgroup
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22:05<bahatpc>yeah, that's how I do it too
22:06<steven-m>what's the real group?
22:08<bahatpc>steven-m: you mean the wheel group?
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22:10<bernardo>does anybody know why my network goes down when i try to apply wpa_supplicant to my wireless card?
22:11<steven-m>bahatpc: ah yeah sorry
22:12<bahatpc>steven-m: it restricts access to root; if used, only members of a certain group (usually called 'wheel') can su to root
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22:18<muuluu>how to install cgi-bin
22:18<muuluu>i mean hottoset cgi-bin directory into apache2?
22:19<steven-m>bahatpc: seeS
22:19<steven-m>I only want one user to be accessible by ssh, so I don't want it to be able to su to anyone.
22:20<seeS>im sure if you look at that pam module i mentioned before it will do it
22:20<bahatpc>bernardo: I don't follow; how could the network be up before wpa_supplicant was running?
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22:22<bernardo>bahatpc: it is up, but not connected...
22:22<bernardo>bahatpc: you know....ifconfig up/down
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22:24<steven-m>seeS: ok, I try that but I was put off when you said it melfunctions
22:24<bahatpc>bernardo: oh, you mean the interface is up. Run wpa_cli (think you need to be root) and see what is says
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22:25<seeS>no i mean when i does play up it can be tricky if it is a remote machine
22:25<bahatpc>bernardo: it should at least indicate why it is failing: can't find network, wrong cipher, wrong key etc
22:26<bernardo>bahatpc: it says nothing.... only "network is down" , but it was up before.
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22:27<steven-m>seeS: oh ok, which module should I install
22:28<seeS>look at pam_listfile
22:28<seeS>you could even nail it down to a specific user instead if you like
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22:30<bahatpc>bernardo: ifdown the interface and kill any remaining wpa_supplicant processes. Then try to ifup again. In a second console, start wpa_cli and run the command 'status' a few times and see what it does
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22:32<bernardo>is there another way to configure a wireless wpa network wothout wpa_supplicant?
22:35<bahatpc>not that I know of... there has to be some decent UIs, however. my approach is certainly not the easiest one...
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22:36<bernardo>bahatpc: i tried what you've said... wpa_Cli says : "could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying"
22:36<bahatpc>bernardo: that means wpa_supplicant is not running
22:37<bahatpc>or you have to be root
22:37<bahatpc>bernardo: try ps -A | grep wpa
22:38<bernardo>bahatpc: shows nothing...
22:38<dipu>hi i have to reduce my "Synaptics Touchpad" sensitivity ... how do i do it ??
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22:42<bahatpc>bernardo: does the following say anything? ls /var/run/wpa*
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22:51<chump_>hey guys i'm having an issue with debian
22:51<chump_>errr debian and compiz
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22:53<bahatpc>g2g, bye
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23:05<chump_>hey guys i'm having an issue with compiz and debian do you guys give help with this at all?
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23:05<spq>i think this is more a compiz specific problem but you could try
23:05<spq>(i dont know anything about compiz
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23:13<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
23:13<twb>Does ntfs3g beat ntfsprogs?
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23:34<veo^^>Hi, what do i use to unrar with debian ?
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23:36<veo^^>i tryed unrar-free but it fails
23:36<gsimmons>veo^^: You probably have a RAR 3.0+ archive. Use the non-free 'unrar' package.
23:37<veo^^>cant get it :o
23:37<gsimmons>!tell veo^^ -about non-free sources
23:38<veo^^>what the non-free means btw?
23:38<veo^^>it's like a shareware?
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23:40<veo^^>well it works now at least ^^
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23:40<twb>non-free software does not meet the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines)
23:41<twb>vrms lists the reason for unrar-nonfree's non-freeness as
23:41<twb>Reason: Modifications problematic
23:42<veo^^>okay thanks for the explanation
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23:50<Aleric>Can anyone resolve '' ?
23:51|-|louise changed nick to Guest2164
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23:52<Guest2164>!eat a banana
23:52[~]dpkg eats a banana, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
23:52<knatteante>I'm really new with Debian and need some help. Can someone give me a tip on a c++ compiler that I can download. And how do I install it :)
23:52<Guest2164>the compiler is called "gcc" I believe.
23:52<Guest2164>apt-get install gcc
23:53<spq>aptitude install build-essential
23:53<spq>is your friend
23:53<knatteante>ah thanks Gust2164, a big <3 for you :)
23:53<Guest2164>what is build-essential?
23:54<spq>it will install some important packages you will need to compile most thing
23:54<Guest2164>knatteante, that looks even better
23:54<spq>it is a meta package, which will install some important tools
23:54<Guest2164>spq, can you help with mounting a camera?
23:54<spq>and aptitude is the newer version of apt-get
23:54<dpkg>from memory, build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit
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23:55<knatteante>Hmm.. I still get the same error
23:55<spq>which error?
23:55<dpkg>tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
23:55<knatteante>configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
23:55<spq>what do you want to do?
23:55<knatteante>I'm trying to install znc-bnc
23:55<spq>and there must be a more specific error
23:56<knatteante>I will priv you all ;)
23:56<spq>knatteante, aptitude install znc
23:56<Guest2164>no need
23:56<knatteante>So you don't mind if I spam this channel for a while? ;)
23:56<spq>see config.log for more details
23:57<spq>dont do it
23:57<Guest2164>spq, when I plug my camera into the USB port it doesn't give me an icon to access it, like my previous Mandriva installation did. Is there any way to make it do that too?
23:58<spq>Guest2164, ther should but i dont know how you can do it, i dont have debian as desktop just as server distro
23:58<Guest2164>ok thanks
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23:59<Guest2164>ahh, found something. I can click on "Computer" on the desktop, and an icon for the camera is there. When I click it, I get an error message; I'll post that and maybe you can help?
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