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00:49<istoc>When I type "groups ftp" it prints "ftp: nogroup" does that mean that ftp belongs to the nogroup or that it doesn't belong to any?
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00:54<kmap>istoc: I think ftp belongs to nogroup
00:54<istoc>kmap: thank you
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01:18<oddtod>hey guys what would the sources line look like for the for lenny main distribution
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02:42<bosco>how do i burn a (AVI) file to a cd so i can play it in my dvd player on my tv can anyone help me
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02:47<kaxi>how do i give lilo the option to specify a kernel?
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02:52<Raaawr>can somebody help me?
02:53<blarson>!tell Raaawr about ask
02:54<Raaawr>I have a problem with Tor I'm running ubuntu 6.10, why i can't connect on irc with tor?
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02:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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02:59<test1-pidgin>hi, all
02:59<test1-pidgin>I have a problem with apt-get and synaptic
02:59<saiianKmuh>hyy jg ....
03:00<test1-pidgin>my problem is that when I ru "apt-get update" it says me:
03:00<test1-pidgin>"Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of"
03:00<test1-pidgin>what is its solutions ? :-(
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03:02<blarson>test1-pidgin: edit your sources.list to have fewer sources, or change the apt configuration.
03:02<simonrvn>never seen that before. too much crap in sources.list?
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03:04<test1-pidgin>no my only line of sources.list is :
03:04<test1-pidgin>deb gutsy main universe multiverse
03:05<test1-pidgin>"deb gutsy main universe multiverse"
03:05<blarson>!tell test1-pidgin about ubuntu
03:05<test1-pidgin>blarson, I khow enough about differences of ubuntu and debian , but
03:06<test1-pidgin>they both use same apt-get system
03:06<simonrvn>please stop, we've heard them all
03:06<blarson>but their defaults for things like apt.conf may differ.
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03:09<twb>Their defaults for sources.list *do* differ, and you cannot interchange Debian and Ubuntu packages safely.
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03:11<test1-pidgin>twb, yes but that error message is not related to ubuntu, it is related to apr system only
03:11<test1-pidgin>blarson, yes but that error message is not related to ubuntu, it is related to apr system only
03:11[~]simonrvn sighs
03:11<simonrvn>o/~ another bites the dust o/~
03:14<kmap>test1-pidgin: That error message depends on the _default_ APT configuration in Ubuntu, about which we are unfortunately unaware
03:14<kmap>(or so we think)
03:15<blarson>and how many packages are pointed to by your sources.list , which we also don't know.
03:16<blarson>test1-pidgin: I already gave you a clue on what man page to read if you were running debian.
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03:21<floydiano>guys hello
03:21<floydiano>which is the room for debian-spanish?
03:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:22<floydiano>wow dpkg is sooo smart! jeje
03:22<bremner>de nada :-)
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03:37<twb>Onomatopoeia is a funny thing
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04:35<praveen>heh ne one here
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04:42<zepard>hi every body im looking for hungarian debian irc, any idea?
04:42<@weasel>try on
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06:04<bremner>!greet antonio
06:04<dpkg>Hello, antonio
06:05<antonio>i am new on this irc#
06:05<bremner>!tell antonio about ask
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06:07<danf_1979>Hi, I have a problem with virtualbox. I have installed two packages right now: 1) virtualbox-ose and 2) virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-k7 for my kernel (2.6.22-3-k7). The problem is that when I execute virtualbox it says: "The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created... Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start' as root. ". The problem is that
06:07<danf_1979>/etc/init.d/vboxdrv does not exist in any of the packages I have installed, and I don't know where I can find it. Also, I don't know what happened to apt-file, but it doesn't work anymore. So, in what package is /etc/init.d/vboxdrv ?
06:07<dpkg>it has been said that apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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06:17<bremner>danf_1979: oh, sorry, I didn't see you mention apt-file
06:17<bremner>danf_1979: did you try reinstalling apt-file (or apt-file update)?
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06:22<danf_1979>Yes bremner, I reinstalled apt-file already and then runned it with --verbose. It said it couldn't find Contents.gz :(
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06:27<ServerSide>can someone enlight me: glxgears: I got 5000 fps with '', i install the new one: '' -> I got 2000fps ... Well i reinstalled the 'old' and know i've 3000fps, help :(
06:29<metalqga>try to resize the glxgears window to a smaller window
06:29<bremner>danf_1979: i looks like virtualbox installs the init script in a postint script, so apt-file won't find it anyway
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06:31<bremner>danf_1979: hang on, I'm investigating
06:32<danf_1979>okay, thanks bremner
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06:35<bremner>danf_1979: are you using the packages from the debian repository (i.e. not downloaded from innotek?)
06:36<danf_1979>I was, but now I'm downloading from innotek to see if I can install from there...
06:37<bremner>danf_1979: can you try restarting udev? sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
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06:41<danf_1979>the innotek version is an evaluation one... I'm back to -ose :S
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06:42<bremner>danf_1979: I've pretty much gone as far as I can. I think the message does not take into account the repackaging on debian
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06:42<bremner>Innotek has their own debian packaging, which includes /etc/init.d/vboxdrv, but the official debian packages do not
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06:43<bremner>danf_1979: check if the device exists or not /dev/vboxdrv
06:44<bremner>danf_1979: check about e.g. permissions problems
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06:44<bremner>danf_1979: maybe file a debian bug report about that message
06:45<danf_1979>Uhm, ok thanks bremner, I'll read that wiki
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07:19<bremner>danf_1979: another hint. try modprobe vboxdrv (as root)
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07:26<bremner>danf_1979: with the modprobe, and adding myself to vboxusers group, it now seems to work for me
07:27<bremner>danf_1979: in general I guess you would have to add vboxdrv to /etc/modules to make it automatic
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07:47<Zeus>hi I have a question...I need to change PC, but stay OS...but there is other platform (Athlon) how to make this system work there well? is intall packet deb with kernel that I need will work? or it`s need to recompile it?
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07:48<lupine>Zeus: the default kernel will work fine with all x86 architectures
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07:49<Zeus>but here CPU Celeron there is it no difrent?
07:49<lupine>hugely different, but compatible
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07:50<peyman>What alternative package is for pdfedit in stable?
07:51<Zeus>so how change it ( ?
07:52<bremner>peyman: pdftk is in stable. What do you want to do?
07:52<peyman>bremner: editing pdf files
07:52<peyman>bremner: you know like the recommendation letters. I want to insert text in fields
07:53<bremner>peyman: pdftk can fill in forms
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07:53<peyman>bremner: thank tou
07:53<bremner>peyman: it is not super easy to use, but I do it; let me know if you need hints
07:54<peyman>bremner: sure, thanks again
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07:59<bremner>!greet warripei
07:59<dpkg>Nihao, warripei
08:00<peyman>bremner: mmm, how do you open a file with this thing!?
08:00<peyman>bremner: shouldn't be as easy as "pdftk foo.pdf" ?
08:01<bremner>peyman: it is command line madness. I am just writing a blog entry about how to proceed. Maybe adobe acrobat is more what you are looking for?
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08:01<bremner>peyman: pdftk is not interactive.
08:01<peyman>bremner: yeah, maybe. but I don't like it so bulky.
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08:01<peyman>bremner: oh! then I like it bulky!
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08:02<bremner>peyman: well, look at later today or tommorow for help on pdftk
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08:02<peyman>bremner: alright. thank you.
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08:06<peyman>bremner: can I send you a private message please?
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08:15<mosty>i'm having trouble with initramfs and kernel, the initramfs image doesn't create /dev/sda1 through sda7 and sdb1 through sdb7 but it does create /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
08:16<azeem>mosty: you have severn partitions on both sda and sdb?
08:16<mosty>i copied fdisk into the initramfs, and i can fdisk /dev/sda and see all the partitions
08:17<mosty>if i mknod the devices then run mdadm, it says there's no valid superblock on there
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08:22<mosty>when my initramfs image gets stuck, it says "waiting for root filesystem" and then stops for a few minutes- is there any way to make it give up immediately and give me a busybox prompt?
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08:26<mosty>i think i see the problem, the kernel doesn't recognise the partition table, even though fdisk does
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08:38<ger27000>есть ли здесь граждане, которые могут сказать, куда пишутся сообщения при загрузке Debian?
08:39<ger27000>сильно хочу почитать
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08:40<azeem>ger27000: server
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09:09<sperca>Bonjour tout le monde
09:10<sperca>est-ce quelqu'un pourrait vérifier si ma configuration wifi svp ?
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09:10<@weasel>wrong channel
09:10<sperca>oh sorry
09:11<sperca>does anyone can check ma wifi configuration
09:11<sperca>just interfaces file
09:12<azeem>sperca: does it not work? Which wlan chip do you haveß
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09:12<sperca>I have an atheros chipset
09:13<azeem>sperca: does the iwconfig report it?
09:13<sperca>i installed madwifi thanks to module-assiatnt
09:13<azeem>you need to get it recognized by the system before you can worry about configuration
09:14<sperca>atho is reported
09:14<sperca>but my essid doesn't appear
09:15<lupine>iwlist ath0 scan
09:15<sperca>It's just I have a problem with the file /etc/network/interfaces
09:15<lupine>after ifconfgi ath0 up
09:15<lupine>erm, ifconfig
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09:16<sperca>I copy my file and say me if it's right
09:16<sperca>because I'm using wpa
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09:16<sperca>and it's a little strange to configure
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09:17<sperca>auto ath0
09:17<sperca>iface ath0 inet dhcp
09:17<sperca> wpa-driver madwifi
09:17<sperca> wpa-ssid letruc
09:17<sperca> wpa-key-mgmt PSK
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09:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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09:17<lupine>so much fail
09:17<sperca>ok I didn't konow
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09:19<sperca>I put my file on rafb
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09:23<sperca>someone has an idea ?
09:23<sperca>because I took this configuration on the Internet
09:23<azeem>sperca: you didn't tell us any pastebin URL yet to look at
09:24<azeem>sperca: that's not the URL to your pate
09:24<azeem>that's better
09:24<azeem>hopefully somebody can help you, I don't use WPA
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09:26<sperca>thanks anyway
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09:27<sperca>Does anyone use WPA ?
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09:31<sperca>nobody for WPA ?
09:31<azeem>be a bit more patient
09:31<azeem>sperca: also, it might help to actually describe the errors you get and/or paste logfiles as well
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09:33<sperca>In fact when I want me to connect, dhcp don't give me an IP
09:33<azeem>how do you connect?
09:34<sperca>for example when I reboot my desktop, or when I restart the network with /etc/init.d/networking restart
09:35<azeem>ifup <interface> is the usual way to connect
09:35<sperca>it's the same with ifup
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09:40<rjent_>Greetings, how I can determine what application is making the connection to a given ip on a system?
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09:40<sperca>I have this DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to port 67 interval 11 many times and finally nothing dhcp can offer me an IP
09:40<sperca>can't sorry
09:41<azeem>sperca: does it work from e.g. Windows, maybe?
09:41<petemc>rjent_: netstat
09:41<azeem>otherwise, it could also be a configuration issue on your router
09:41<rjent_>sperca: what does iwlist (interface) scan say?
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09:42<rjent_>petemc: well netstat is how I saw the connection, but how do I know which process is making the connection?
09:42<sep>netstat -p
09:42<petemc>rjent_: -p, as root
09:43<sperca>I have that with iwlist
09:43<sperca>my essid is "letruc"
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09:44<sperca>azeem :(what does e.g mean ?)
09:45<rjent_>petemc: ok, thanks for the help. I should have rtm ;)
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09:45<azeem>sperca: for example
09:46<sperca>I have other desktop, where one of them is on Windows and it work
09:47<gurpreet>how can i set up a firewall in the easiest way?
09:47<sperca>but before to format, everything was ok but...
09:47<azeem>sperca: maybe you need to add the hardware adress of the wlan card to the wlan config on the router?
09:48<petemc>gurpreet: if you just want to protect the host the firewall was running on, you dont need to bother, certainly if you want to do it in such a way where you dont understand what its doing
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09:48<sperca>azeem : where I can add that ?
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09:49<sperca>azeem : because before I never needed to add the hardware adress :S
09:50<azeem>I said "maybe"
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09:50<gurpreet>petemc, firewall isn't running right now, i want to run it. but reading and learning all iptables rules etc seems to be an overkill, i want some simple solution, like basic iptables rules prewriten somewhere for example
09:51<bremner>gurpreet: arno-iptables-firewall might be a good choice
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09:51<sperca>azeem : yes I understood, it's just I don't know how to add them
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09:52<gurpreet>petemc, and even if i set up the rules myself, there is possibility that i can leave some loophole in the system, or i can stop some necessary service
09:52<gurpreet>bremner, checking out arno-iptables-firewall
09:52<petemc>gurpreet: shorewall is popular - what do you want the firewall to do tho?
09:53<azeem>sperca: if the other computers work fine on the wlan without having been added, then this isn't needed
09:53<gurpreet>petemc, just basic protection, like right now my system is vulnerable from outside attacks, just like a zonealarm sort of thing in windows
09:54<petemc>gurpreet: which attacks is your system vulnerable to? how would this "firewall" help?
09:54<sperca>azzem : ok, but is there a method to know if my wpa-key is right ? Or other problems ?
09:55<fxiny>you'd better read a good iptable howto firts
09:55<rjent_>I am looking for a simple way to have remote systems that I need ssh access on to phone home somehow so I can see what their current IP address is that they are leased. Any ideas?
09:55<petemc>rjent_: dynamic dns
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09:56<gurpreet>petemc, right now there are 3 systems running in 192.168.1.* network behind the external ADSL modem. i just wanted to give them a secure feeling
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09:57<gurpreet>fxiny, i've read an iptables howto but making all the rules correctly seems a lot of work, i just wanted something intelligent which i can switch on and off
09:57<petemc>a secure feeling, ok..
09:57<fxiny>gurpreet: shorewall then
09:57<gurpreet>fxiny, trying it
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09:58<fxiny>gurpreet: be prepared for some reading :P
09:58<gurpreet>i was reading, but it seemed a lot of work
09:58<gurpreet>it _was_ a lot of work
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09:59<petemc>network security isnt intuituve
09:59<fxiny>that's the good tut
09:59<cahoot>gurpreet: is you system actually accessible from the 'outside' ?
10:00<gurpreet>one thing more, i am not sure whether i need a firewall or not, as my systems are behind a external modem and in a private n/w, i am not sure if someone can still attack them or not
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10:00<gurpreet>may be i am just getting paranoid :)
10:00<JasonS>gurpreet: your only paoanoid when you "think" they're out to get you :)
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10:00<gurpreet>cahoot, yes, this is the first thing i am not sure of
10:00<petemc>nat traversal is possible, but unlikely
10:01<petemc>more important to keep the apps the users are running on the machines up to date
10:01<gurpreet>petemc, if it can happen it firewall will be good idea, else i am just getting paranoid
10:01<gurpreet>petemc, everything is up to date to etch stable
10:02<petemc>i dont use firewalls, except for routing and portforwarding and such
10:02<fxiny>same here
10:02<rjent_>petemc: ok on dynamic dns like ddclient? I have a domain name I want to add like for remote1 system. So will this work?
10:02<gurpreet>petemc, as my systems are behing NAT, may be i too don
10:02<gurpreet>..dont need firewall
10:03<petemc>rjent_: you can do it yourself, easier to use a premade client and dyndns
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10:04<rjent_>petemc: so ddclient ok or would you offer others I should look at?
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10:05<petemc>rjent_: if it works im sure its fine
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10:05<sperca>azeem : thanks anyway for all
10:05<rjent_>petemc: ok
10:06<rjent_>petemc: thx
10:06<sperca>I'll see this later
10:06<sperca>bye everybody
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10:17<Woland>hello! does anybody speak Russian?
10:18<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:23<harry_>Is there anyway to get an nvidia graphics card working with Kenshi Muto's custom kernels. When I try and install the nvidia driver it complains about rivafb and aborts.
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10:25<petemc>harry_: isnt that just a kernel to install with? you may be betetr served with a backported kernel
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10:27<harry_>The reason I need Kenshi's kernel is that I need the e1000e network driver. The latest kernel does not have e1000e.
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10:47<omer>Hi there! I just installed Sid on my new MSI motherboard and it doesn't detect the sound card (builtin ALC883)
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10:47<omer>... while it's works fine with Knoppix 5.1.1
10:47<gurpreet>i keep on getting this message in my terminal along with a beep "kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode". what can be wrong?
10:48<gurpreet>and this too "CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode"
10:48<omer>I've put some infos about my hardware here:
10:48<omer>I suspect some IRQ conflict (see lspci output) but don't know lmuch about that... - any idea ?
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10:52<cahoot>gurpreet: cpu too hot?
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10:53<gurpreet>cahoot, can't say if its hot, but the message says that its running in modulated clock mode, i haven't changed the clock more or did overclocking etc
10:53<gurpreet>clock mode*
10:54<cahoot>gurpreet: take a look at /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0 (or such)
10:54<gurpreet>and this message is really buggin me, coming in every open terminal and with a speed like when we ping localhost :)
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10:56<gurpreet>cahoot, my thermal_zone folder is empty
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11:04<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
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11:12<lupine_85>hey. I've modified a version of the sqlite3 package (to add stdev() to it's functions) and I'm trying to keep apt from installing anything over the top of it (I forgot to modify the version in debian/changelog). Any suggestions?
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11:12<lupine_85>well. libsqlite3 package set
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11:24<latenal>hello, where i can get etch kernel?
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11:26[~]__|__ se despide o/
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11:26<mattl>can someone help me? i upgraded my kernel, and when lilo runs, i get Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda")
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11:27<latenal>i have a low-speed internet connection and dont have resources to download the image
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11:30<Zingaro>i have installed a package from unstable to stable
11:30<Zingaro>forcing it
11:30<Zingaro>now gui of aptitude tell me "do apt-get install -f"
11:30<Zingaro>can i avoid to do this ?
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11:33<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
11:33<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:34<lexel>privet-privet :)
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11:45<DebianGuy>hi people, i re-installed grub via the recovery cd, but it lands me in a grub console ( previously i got the grub menu, but i don't get it now)
11:46<DebianGuy>what should i do to get the old grub menu back?
11:48<cahoot>create a /boot/grub/menu.lst?
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11:49<DebianGuy>cahoot, i already have it
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11:50<cahoot>grub installed at another location than originally?
11:50<DebianGuy>i think so :s
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11:50<DebianGuy>i reinstalled grub by grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
11:50<DebianGuy>what should i do now??
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11:51<DebianGuy>but after doing that, i got another /boot in my /boot partition
11:51<DebianGuy>that second boot has a grub folder in it too
11:52<cahoot>no /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst?
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11:52<DebianGuy>cahoot, but i have a /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:52<DebianGuy>should i rm -rf /boot/boot
11:53<omer>DebianGuy: maybe use /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda ? (or whatever number you want)
11:53<cahoot>but grub seems to look for it in /boot/boot/grub
11:53<DebianGuy>and then make it use /boot/grub/menu.lst somehow?
11:53<DebianGuy>cahoot, can i not reinstall
11:53<omer>(I think I had this in the past, but definitely not sure)
11:53<DebianGuy>omer, you mean /dev/sdaX ?
11:53<cahoot>DebianGuy: don't blindly remove directorys
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11:53<DebianGuy>omer, but which parition?
11:54<DebianGuy>cahoot, hmm
11:54<omer>I generally choose the root one (/)
11:54<DebianGuy>omer, should i do grub-install /dev/sda9? the root one?
11:54<DebianGuy>my / is on sda9
11:55<omer>I think yes, but I repeat : definitely not sure ;)
11:56<omer>oh wait a minute... maybe --root-directory=/ ?
11:56<omer>so it gets installed in ${root-directory}/boot, which explains the /boot/boot
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11:57<DebianGuy>hmm, yeah thats what i tried before
11:57<DebianGuy>but it gave me error
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12:04<zepard>hi Im looking for some wifi documentation: especially on modes: 54g (auto , lrs...) and the difference between these modes, google gives nothing satifing :/)
12:05<lucas_amorim>hello, I downloaded a divx movie but I cant play it nor with vlc neither with mplayer. They display no error output. In vlc it starts running without the image, as if it were an audio file, but no audio is played, just the progress bar is going on until, after a minute (which is not the right duration of the file I am playing) it reaches the end and that is all. mplayer started from terminal says something as "playing file.avi" no screen pops up an the
12:05<lucas_amorim>n "End of file" and stops.
12:05<lucas_amorim>would it be the lack of a plugin or a corrupted file?
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12:07<cahoot>no use trying different -vo's ?
12:08<cahoot>(for mplayer)
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12:12<lucas_amorim>-vo ?
12:13<cahoot>mplayer -vo help
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12:13<sheldonh>upgrading to sid, should i throw away linux-image-2.6-686? it seems to depend on linux-image-2.6.22-3-686, which only exists in testing
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12:15<lucas_amorim>cahoot: doesn't work
12:16<cahoot>mplayer -vo help - doesn't work?
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12:18<cahoot>*should* give you a list av video output modes to try
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12:22<gurpreet>i am getting message "CPU[0|1] running in modulated clock mode, what can be the reason for this?
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12:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:23<lucas_amorim>cahoot: works, but I have tried a lot of vo, none worked
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12:25<fxiny>you sure is not a rar file ?
12:26<Aleric>Is it possible to downgrade from testing to stable?
12:27<Myon>Aleric: very hard in practise
12:27<Myon>and not supported
12:27<Aleric>What can go wrong?
12:27<Aleric>"not supported" is a microsoft thing :p
12:28<Myon>well any locally compiled binaries will have the wrong libc version afterwards
12:28<fxiny>true : they know how to go back , see winstoze :P
12:28<sheldonh>can a current sid user confirm for me that linux-image-2.6-686 is at 2.6.22+11, but it depends on linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 while only linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 is available?
12:28<Myon>plus the pain of actually downgrading libc itself
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12:29<Myon>Aleric: you can apply lots of dpkg --force and will eventually succeed, but some packages might play havoc
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12:29<Myon>(iirc mailman's postinst refuses to downgrade)
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12:32<luciano_uisk>i am using debian for amd64 and i am having troubles with my soundcard
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12:33<luciano_uisk>i was using debian for X86 and i had to recompile alsa-driver, alsa-lib and alsa-utils, but when i do it in debian for amd64 it doesnt work
12:34<luciano_uisk>anyone knows why?
12:34<Aleric>"it doesn't work"
12:34<luciano_uisk>do i have to download a special version of alsa?
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12:35<Aleric>I know why: "something is wrong"
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12:35<tiagosab>omer: I think you need to updgrade your kernel; you said you are using sid, but sid's kernel is 2.6.22
12:35<Myon>luciano_uisk: what exactly "does not work"?
12:35<luciano_uisk>well, the classical
12:35<luciano_uisk>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
12:35<Myon>like, does it play trash, or does the compiler explode...?
12:35<sheldonh>tiagosab: are you sure? i just did apt-get update and the only image available is 2.6.23
12:35<luciano_uisk>it compiled fine, but i cant open alsamixer
12:36<luciano_uisk>and i cant hear anything, too
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12:36<tiagosab>sheldonh: no, I am not sure. But omer has 2.6.18
12:36<sheldonh>tiagosab: ah. way off :)
12:36<Aleric>Why do you have to recompile things?
12:37<Aleric>I'm using amd64, and sound works fine.
12:37<luciano_uisk>maybe it is because of my board, ..
12:37<sheldonh>Aleric: if he's using snd_hda_intel, he needs alsa-1.0.15
12:38<Aleric>I'm using snd_hda_intel
12:39<luciano_uisk>the manual said that the audio chip is an realtek alc883
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12:39<sheldonh>Aleric: *shrug* on my dell vostro 1700, alsa-1.0.12 didn't support my sound card (Intel 82801H)
12:39<luciano_uisk>i taught that it was an snd-hda_intel, ..
12:39<cahoot>a myriad of chips using hda-intel
12:40<sheldonh>cahoot: hda's like phy for audio, yes?
12:40<luciano_uisk>te part that i think is the most funny is that i was able to make this sound board work in the X86 debian, but not in the amd64 debian,
12:40<Aleric>luciano_uisk: I wouldn't start recompiling things until you know that that is really needed, and why.
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12:41<luciano_uisk>well, last time i heard that recompiling alsa would work, ...
12:41<luciano_uisk>and worked, ..
12:41<luciano_uisk>where should i star, then?
12:41<luciano_uisk>start, ..
12:42<cahoot>what alsa version do you have atm?
12:42<tiagosab>luciano_uisk: Find out what your hardware is with lspci -v
12:42<sheldonh>luciano_uisk: you were using x86 on amd64 hardware, then switched to an amd64 kernel?
12:42<luciano_uisk>yes, that is
12:43<sheldonh>luciano_uisk: did you rebuild the alsa kernel drivers afterwards?
12:44<luciano_uisk>i rebuilded 3 packages: alsa-drivers, alsa-utils and alsa-libs
12:44<luciano_uisk>the lspci -v popped out this
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12:44<luciano_uisk> Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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12:44<tiagosab>Ok, I have the same chip, working fine on sid, without recompilation of alsa
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12:44<luciano_uisk>well, i am using etch, ...
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12:45<tiagosab>luciano_uisk: I believe you need a newer kernel
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12:45<sheldonh>luciano_uisk: see tiagosab's feedback. i'm pretty sure alsa-1.0.15 wants >=linux-2.6.21
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12:46<sheldonh>tiagosab: your sid up to date?
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12:47<luciano_uisk>well, but this kernel is only supported on sid, doesnt it?
12:47<tiagosab>sheldonh: no, it's a lenny/sid mix
12:47<sheldonh>tiagosab: it's my first sid upgrade, and i'm worried i'm doing something stupid, kernel-wise
12:47<sheldonh>tiagosab: molotov cocktail
12:47<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
12:47<luciano_uisk>and could this mess with my installation?
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12:48<sheldonh>i don't think alsa-source_1.0.15 is in backports. check first
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12:50<luciano_uisk>if i pick up the kernel from "sid" and put in my etch installation, will it work fine?
12:50<luciano_uisk>or it can mess with my installation?
12:51<omer>tiagosab: thanks, I just forgot the kernel upgrade failed when I upgraded from stable to unstable
12:51<omer>just installed 2.6.23-1 and trying it...
12:52<sheldonh>omer: did you have to remove linux-image-2.6-686?
12:53<omer>sheldonh: no, I installed from debian-amd64 (with linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 by default)
12:55<chealer>sheldonh: if you have to ask, you don't want to upgrade to sid.
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12:58<tiagosab>luciano_uisk: no, don't do it. Sorry, I have to go, look after my daughter...
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12:59<luciano_uisk>just one thing: i am using debian etch, and my kernel is 2.6.18-5-amd64, that is the newest i see in the package lists
12:59<luciano_uisk>how can i upgrade it then?
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12:59<luciano_uisk>ok, tahnks for the help, tiagosab
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13:00<tristian>Hi all, I seem to be having a problem with pretty much any opengl application (compiz/armagetron), where X seems to restart itself when I try to run any opengl application. As a result I cant find any logs to figure out what could be causing the crash... anyone have any advice?
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13:02<tristian>infact - I just found this in the syslog: Jan 6 17:54:38 leviathan gdm[25221]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
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13:14<Aleric>Hmm, I guess that worked (I rebooted my firewall)
13:15<Aleric>Didn't downgrade libc though... I just just sources.list and ran apt-get dist-upgrade :p
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13:19<luciano_uisk>hi all
13:19<luciano_uisk>its me again, ...
13:20<luciano_uisk>i dont know why, but my soundcard is working just for root, ...
13:20<luciano_uisk>for my normal user it doesnt work, ....
13:20<cahoot>make user member of audio group
13:20<luciano_uisk>should be for a "permission denied" somewhere, ..
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13:20<luciano_uisk>ah, ok, ..
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13:21<luciano_uisk>i taught that i should set the /dev/audio for writing, or something, ..
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13:21<cahoot>don't mess with that
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13:22[~]Aleric makes a list of all running executables..
13:22<Aleric>for pid in `ps -eo pid | grep -v PID | sed -e 's/ *//g'`; do sudo ls -l /proc/$pid/exe 2>/dev/null; done | grep -- ' -> ' | sed -e 's/.* -> //' | sort -u
13:23<cahoot>like top?
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13:30<Aleric>wtf is that avahi-daemon ?
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13:30<`cle>hello.. anybody can help me on pure-ftpd?
13:31<`cle>i want to know how to automatically start my pure-ftpd and include option -j
13:31<`cle>cause my server didn't include this
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13:36<Kebianizao>valdyn: fxiny: I don't have same DVD as yesterday but I tried with another one and worked perfectly (do you remember? mplayer)
13:36<Kebianizao>now what I'd like is to see the bash commands of as script as it is runs
13:37<`cle>hello.. anybody can help me on pure-ftpd?
13:37<`cle>i want to know how to automatically start my pure-ftpd and include option -j
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13:44<Cyorxamp>Hey, why does debian come with an MTA? (exim4) on all the CD1's ?
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13:44<zepard>`cle, don't know pure ftpd but why not change deamon script
13:45<Kebianizao>Cyorxamp: it is need for internal use I think
13:45<zepard>`cle, and include your option in it
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13:45<Cyorxamp>Kebianizao: so it's not safe to remove?
13:46<Kebianizao>Cyorxamp: nope
13:46<Cyorxamp>I mean if I did want this to be a mail server (which I don't) i'd install postfix which gets rid of exim4 anyway
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13:46<Kebianizao>Cyorxamp: there are livian mailers, but you need at least one
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13:46<Cyorxamp>livian mailers?
13:46<`cle>zepard, i think i would like to change he deamon script
13:46<Kebianizao>Cyorxamp: having at least one is ok, doesn't matter which one
13:46<`cle>but i don't know how cause i still new at linux
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13:47<Cyorxamp>ok gonna install postfix then, at least it doesn't take like 15seconds to start :S
13:47<Cyorxamp>exim4 is slooow to startup
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13:48<zepard>`cle, take a look in /etc/init.d/"your pure-ftpd script"
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13:48<`cle>yes, i looking.. but don't know where to put
13:48<zepard>`cle, it should have a start function
13:49<`cle>i see that
13:49<fxiny>is called nullmailer , and exim is fast to start as postfix
13:49<fxiny>Kebianizao: what exactly do you need ?
13:50<Kebianizao>I need to know where a postinst script is failing since output is insufficient
13:50<Kebianizao>fxiny: ^
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13:50<`cle>zepard: but where i can put that option to??
13:50<zepard>`cle, is there a $options variable?
13:50<fxiny>Cyorxamp: if exim start as you said sloe is your fault . i use postfix but exim is pretty good
13:50<`cle>don't have
13:51<Cyorxamp>its not slow in what it does, just slow at the ping of "Starting exim4..."
13:51<zepard>`cle, an exec then
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13:51<Cyorxamp>Always on every debian I've installed on many machines
13:51<zepard>`cle, in that method
13:51<fxiny>exim works out of the box , i used it for years
13:52<Cyorxamp>oh ffs, I'm not saying it _doesnt_ work... nevermind
13:52<`cle>erm.. i see start-stop-deamon --start bla bla bla there
13:52<`cle>is it this one??
13:52<fxiny>Kebianizao: don't understand : an mplayer line to play dvd ?
13:52<zepard>`cle, might be that one
13:52<Kebianizao>fxiny: now, this is atotally different issue
13:53<fxiny>i mean : i'm using postfix not becasue i'm not happy with exim
13:53<Kebianizao>fxiny: on a xbox
13:53<`cle>yeah.. there is something like --exec $WRAPPER -- $SUFFIX
13:53<zepard>`cle, and you don't have an $options variable
13:53<fxiny>xbox ? i have no idea about xbox
13:54<knewt>if exim is slow starting up i usually find that's due to issues with /etc/hosts (or sometimes dns). i'd check that your machine is correctly identified in /etc/hosts
13:54<Kebianizao>fxiny: forget about the xbox it's debian on xbox so debian all in all
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13:54<zepard>`cle, ok
13:54<fxiny>Kebianizao: is not debian : is xebian
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13:54<zepard>then search the $postfix in that file
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13:55<zepard>`cle, find the definition of that variable
13:55<`cle>is that mean that i have to trace back the $SUFFIX function to see where to put my option??
13:55<Kebianizao>well, ok, is xebian upgraded to etch, but I'm not expecting everything works perfectly (even it almost is) I wanted to know why that script fails
13:55<fxiny>knewt: that's right : is a user fault
13:55<zepard>`cle, it's not a function
13:56<zepard>`cle, it's a variable, wich should contain options
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13:56<fxiny>Kebianizao : i have no clues about xebian
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13:57<Kebianizao>fxiny: ok, just let's stick to my first question, you have a script and you want to see where it is failing
13:57<Kebianizao>like echoing the command and the result
13:57<zepard>`cle, its definition should be in the begining of the file, the idea is to initialize your $postfix with the option you want to start with
13:57<Phocean>I can't get through this fucking message :
13:57<Phocean>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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13:57<`cle>yeah.. i saw something up there like SUFFIX='basename $ME | sed -ne 's/^pure-ftpd-\(.*\)/\1/p''
13:58<`cle>so, where i should put my -j option?
13:58<fxiny>the standard error ? any bash tutorial can show you how
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14:00<fxiny>Kebianizao: i'm trying to be fair with you , right ? if you keep on using me for supporting xebian i can tell you to google up
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14:01<Kebianizao>fxiny: no, man I don't want you to support xebian, I mean it
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14:01<Kebianizao>I don't even thought about that
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14:01<zepard>`cle, if it's already initialized, then you can add another variable just after --$suffix
14:01<Kebianizao>I'm asking you and the rest of the channel how to get verbose/debug output when running a bash script
14:02<Kebianizao>and if you think that's supporting xebian, I'm really sorry, that's not my intention for sure
14:02<Kebianizao>I know the rules more or less, I don't want to abuse on people's time
14:02<zepard> --exec $WRAPPER --$SUFFIX -$OPTIONS, where OPTIONS declared after POSTFIX and initialized with your j option
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14:03<`cle>erm.. ok.. let me try..
14:03<`cle>get back to u later
14:04<fxiny>Kebianizao: i told you . feed google with this : "bash standard error"
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14:05<zepard>`cle, what is your wrapper equals? to be sure
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14:06<sheldonh>cool! upgrade to sid completed, with suspend-to-ram being the only casualty
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14:08<zepard>`cle, i just installed it to try, is it good, why did choose this one?
14:08<`cle>i don't know.. read some articles in internet and debian website..
14:08<`cle>they recommend this server
14:09<`cle>so, i just take a try on it
14:09<zepard>is it for personal use
14:09<`cle>yes, for meanwhile.. but later will be for my company
14:09<`cle>if everything work out fine
14:10<zepard>j option is to create homedir?
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14:10<fxiny>Kebianizao: are you ok now ?
14:11<Kebianizao>fxiny: that gave me some clues, I'm still googling and also reading about shopt in the bash man
14:11<Kebianizao>but no success for the moment
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14:12<`cle>without this options, just now, i need to create home directory for users manualy
14:12<fxiny>Kebianizao: i understand you are playing with an xbox ;)
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14:13<Kebianizao>fxiny: :) if playing means trying to upgrade to a reasonably recent system, you are right
14:14<Kebianizao>I installed xebian long time ago, xebian was working perfectly but since it's based on sarge it was aged as hell
14:14<Kebianizao>I managed to upgrade to etch,but I'm still running a 2.4 kernel :O
14:14<zepard>`cle, i had proftp, pretty basic thing, this one has a more complex start script
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14:14<Kebianizao>my next target is trying to get a 2.6 working, work in progress
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14:15<`cle>is it good? configurable?
14:15<Kebianizao>the only think that failed to upgrade is bootsplash which I don't care much, but I'm curious where the problem is
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14:16<Kebianizao>if I understand correctly stderr should also be printed on a console, right?
14:17<sheldonh>haha, s2ram fixed
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14:17<Kebianizao>hehe, I have it: bash -x script
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14:19<zepard>`cle, not hard to do
14:19<zepard>`cle, but only for home, in my case
14:19<Kebianizao>that lead me to another command /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst
14:19<Kebianizao>I'll remove bootsplash, I don't want to loose any more time on that
14:20<`cle>zepard, may be i'll take a look on that one later.. see the suitablity... now i still try working on this pure-ftpd
14:26<Aleric>How safe is it to try to delete a library package (hoping it isn't used by any other package)?
14:26<Aleric>I want to delete all libraries that I don't use.
14:26<fxiny>use deborphan
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14:31<Kebianizao>fxiny: well, thanks after all :)
14:31<fxiny>Kebianizao: :)
14:32<Kebianizao>but I wouldn't like you remain thinking I was asking for xebian support
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14:33<Athena>nick Athena
14:33<knewt>Aleric: well, if you try and remove with apt-get or aptitude they'll let you know if other packages depend on it
14:33<fxiny>Kebianizao: ok ok , no worries
14:33[~]Kebianizao smiles
14:33<Athena>i'm looking for a good lightweight debian system based on Gnome...i like mepis but would like a second installation as there is more for gnome
14:34<Athena>any ideas?
14:34<zepard>`cle, another idea is to look in configuration files i'll look at them later
14:34<zepard>be back
14:34<fxiny>Kebianizao: look at that : you are a saint !
14:34<Athena>I DON'T like UBUNTU
14:35<Athena>(if this is the wrong place to talk about this...any suggestions on a channel?)
14:35<fxiny>a light debian ?
14:35<Athena>i'm using a Pentium 3 with a half gig of well on mepis
14:36<Athena>something where i can not have everything running at once
14:36<fxiny>Athena: PII 400Mhz running etch + veservers
14:36<Kebianizao>fxiny: that's why I was worried, I may look like a fool sometimes, but at least I take my time investigating
14:36<fxiny>is it ok for you ?
14:36<Athena>what is etch like?
14:36<Athena>and veservers?
14:36<Kebianizao>fxiny: xbox is PIII celeron 733MHZ, so it's close :P
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14:37<fxiny>Athena: i run fluxbox , i have half of your mem , you can run a full gnome desktop
14:37<Athena>ok i'm at 933 mh from what i can tell
14:37<Athena>'s a gnome system?
14:37<Kebianizao>Athena: no, fluxbox is fluxbox
14:37<marco_>as far as I know, debian is excellent with a P2 Pentium 3.. Gnome is quite a heavy window manager, just like kde...
14:37<Aleric>EXCUSE me...
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14:37<Athena>(cause i'm looking for some of their Wine support)
14:37<Aleric>sudo apt-get remove `deborphan`
14:37<Athena>what is flubox?
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14:38<Aleric>... The following packages will be REMOVED: ... libc6-amd64
14:38<fxiny>Athena: nahhh is a desktop env : you can run a full gnome desktop if you like gnome with half a G
14:38<Aleric>Oh wait... this is a i386 box :/
14:38<sasha>hi , is it possible to use grub to start a bitlocker vista partition or is it obliged to use the vista boot loader
14:38<Kebianizao>Aleric: that's the architecture probably
14:38<Kebianizao>sasha: you can
14:38<Athena>i would have thought gnome was less heavy than mepis...which is admitedly set up to be a lightweight KDE system
14:39<Kebianizao>sasha: at least using grub
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14:39<Athena>I don't like gnome...i want wine applications to work
14:39<Athena>is there another way to do that?
14:39<Kebianizao>Athena: one think is the distro(mepis) an other is the DE (KDE or gnome)
14:39<sasha>i ve readed somewhere that each time you start the vista partition it will reset the bootloader in mbr or something like this is it true ?
14:39<Kebianizao>Athena: already told you, fluxbox
14:39<Athena>well Mepis only comes in KDE (there is a new version with XFCE)
14:40<Kebianizao>sasha: you will have to look into winblows docs, I don't know
14:40<fxiny>Athena: try xfce
14:40<Athena>Could I do that on my system? (IE from a KDE system?)_
14:40<Athena>ok though---goal to run wine programs that seem to be set up for gnome...will that work if i get the right repositories?
14:40<Athena>(it takes me 7 hours to download a distro)
14:41<fxiny>7 hours ?
14:41<Kebianizao>Athena: what's you internet speed?
14:41<Athena>yes, i'm on the slowest high speed internet you can get...the machine doesn't run much faster regardless...the only time it bugs me is downloading distros
14:41<Athena>it's supposed to be 128KB upload and 128KB download...i rarely get up to 40KB/s
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14:42<fxiny>Athena: why downloading a full fistro ? just download what you need , nothing more
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14:42<Athena>i think that is the there a way to check?
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14:42<Athena>I'm still kinda do i download only what I need from a distro?
14:43<Aleric>It's getting pretty clean here :)
14:43<Aleric>468 packages left.
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14:43<Athena>Mepis is kinda like that...not much installed by default...if you want it you get it..
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14:43<Athena>but it won't take much gnome has a fit and uninstalls the KDE if you try
14:44<dpkg>it has been said that gnome is a desktop environment - see a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome
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14:44<Kebianizao>!tell Athena about netinst
14:44<fxiny>wrong factoid , i want the "core" one
14:45<Athena>wouldn't the suggestio fry my version of mepis (although i appreciate it...i just spent 10 days getting the drivers for my printer to work)
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14:45<simonrvn>and mepis is off-topic here
14:46<Athena><sorry> just trying to give an idea of what i use...and why i want to move elsewhere (mostly)
14:46<Athena>is it off topic because it uses some firmware...or becuase it's KDE?
14:46<simonrvn>because its's another distro
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14:47<Athena>is there a "pure" debian system?
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14:48<Athena>my skill set is can install without a fancy disk (ie from a set of suggested commands) cannot install from scratch
14:48<sheldonh>Athena: Debian 4.0 (Etch)
14:48<chealer>Athena: yes
14:49<Athena>is it small?
14:49<sheldonh>Athena: click on "Getting Debian" at read that page, then click on the link that appeals to you the most. then read that page
14:49<Athena>OK I'll do that...i'll come back if i have more questions...thank you so much
14:50<Athena>I've always gone with distros others have suggested
14:50<sheldonh>Athena: when we install etch for servers at work, the OS comes in at under 1GB
14:50<Athena>time to move on
14:50<sheldonh>Athena: but i imagine that a desktop system will want more
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14:51<Athena>Yes I want more...but I've only got 40 gig total...
14:51<Athena>I want fast...and where I can choose what I want, not small necessarily
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14:52<Athena>with just came with too much default stuff
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14:52<fxiny>debian comes with excellent docs
14:53<sheldonh>Athena: sounds like plenty -- my development workstation comes in at 23GB, which includes my home directory (7.5GB)
14:53<sheldonh>fxiny: one of the primary reasons why i pushed for my company to switch to it. awesome documentation, highly googlable, good community support if you present decent questions
14:53<fxiny>sheldonh: users do the other way around : 3.5-7.5 to 23G :)
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14:55<Athena>fxiny: could it run WINE programs meant for gnome (the only reason i care is because i have a useless walkman...can't afford to replace it yet)
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14:55<sheldonh>fxiny: still looking for the heavy consumers in that 23G -- i'm sure i've... oh... looky here, 6.5GB for ut2004
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14:56<fxiny>Athena: yes, you can run a full gnome desktop with your hardware if you want a small gnome try : apt-get -s install gnome-core , -s stands for symulation , it won't install anything . later you can add more
14:57<Aleric>gnupg discover1 ftp klibc-utils libboost-dbg genisoimage pmount
14:57<Aleric>lol: You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
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14:57<fxiny>Athena: wine change often , somethimes weekly so make sure you get the version you want
14:57<Athena>if i try to install gnome (permanently) my system crashes
14:58<fxiny>Athena: for example : i have a very old version installed Installed: 0.0.20041019-1 , nmow the etch candidate is 0.9.25-2.1
14:58<Athena>so...i think I'll try both a debian and the way to get them without a 7 hour download?
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14:59<sheldonh>Athena: take my advice re "Getting Debian" at :)
14:59<fxiny>Athena: flux is very small . check if suits you or try xfce4
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14:59<Athena>it's nice to have choice...i've loved moving away from windows
15:00<`cle>zepard, found anything? i still can't make it work.. :/
15:00<Athena>yes...i think i'm seeing a minimal package...
15:00<fxiny>Athena: yes, go minimal , and add later
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15:01<fxiny>Athena: i use flux cause i don't like clicking around but on this machine i can run gnome and kde . a bit slow but i can
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15:03<sheldonh>windows? is that an rpm-based distro?
15:03<Athena>i'm getting daily changes on the ISO image for the STABLE release?
15:03<simonrvn>windows? i have 5 or 6 of them here.. is that what you mean?
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15:04<Athena><fxiny> and what is your machine again? sounds like a good combo...close to what i'm looking for
15:04<simonrvn>4 uxterms a galeon, and an emacs
15:04<Athena>no mswindows
15:04<Athena>much hated
15:04<kfb>anyone having problems with totem on Debian Lenny ?
15:04<fxiny>Athena: a PII 400 mem is only 224444
15:04<Athena><fxiny> then i should be able to run it find
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15:05<Athena>still why all the different debian releases on a stable build?
15:05<Aleric>394 packages left on this machine :)
15:05<fxiny>Athena: you are confusing desktop environments with the system
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15:06<Athena> which is suggested for minimum install
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15:06<florin>enough with the geek talk were's the party at? :D
15:06<Athena>oh, i knew you could find two flavours...but not that you could run them both
15:06<Athena>through different boots?
15:07<fxiny>Athena: you can install as many desktops env you can fit in your hd
15:07<michalato>just wondering if anyone else has had freaky problems with 2.6.22-3-686 stock kernel and an external ide controlled being detected as the primary one messing up the order of hd* devs and leaving the system not able to boot approx 3 tries out of 4?
15:09<Athena>i'm at the flux doesn't provide an ISO...i don't know how to install without one (or am i missing something?)
15:09<sheldonh>michalato: 2.6.22-3-686 was unusable on my dell vostro (frequent ata timeouts and attendant restarts)
15:09<fxiny>Athena: if you are concerned about downloading and if you want a "modern" desktop start with xfce4
15:09<Athena>dells can be a pain in the ass (i have one a P4---slower than my P3 on most things)
15:09<Athena>ok, what is a good xfce4 distro to try?
15:10<Athena>(it's Debian so ok to talk about?)
15:10<michalato>sheldonh: mine seems perfevtly stable apart from detecting 2 ide controllers in seemingly random order at boottime
15:10<sheldonh>Athena: debian 4.0 Etch
15:10<fxiny>just that : xfce4 . browse for screenshots
15:12<Athena>the etch page at doesn't seem to be stable...there are multiple releases...very frequent
15:12<fxiny>Athena: if i understand you : main problem is the download speed , second: you are not really expert so go for xfce4 . fluxbox needs some skill to set it up and manage
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15:12<zepard>`cle, not realy, I had dinner.
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15:12<Athena><fxiny> yes download speed #1 problem (because of time needed for each new try) 2 I'm still learning
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15:13<`cle>ic... still can't get what i want.. :/
15:13<sheldonh>Athena: what are you talking about, "multiple releases"?
15:13<`cle>still looking at it
15:13<fxiny>Athena: check some xfce4 screenshots . browse for it , is very nice
15:13<Athena>when i go to the download page there are multiples listed
15:13<zepard>I look in configuration files now
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15:13<JasonS>Athena: why not just aptitude install xfce4 then?
15:13<JasonS>or did i miss something again?
15:14<sheldonh>Athena: you're joking, right? those are multiple cds :)
15:14<sheldonh>Athena: this would all make a lot more sense if you'd taken my advice, which would have eased you into documentation that explains all this :(
15:15<Athena>I looked at the really get it I'd need to print's 140 pages long
15:15<Athena>maybe i can print the first few
15:15<`cle>zepard, i think it's nothing there.. it's configuration files is too simple
15:15<fxiny>what documetation ?
15:15<Athena>the debian documentation
15:16<zepard>be back soon
15:16<Athena>Debian GNU installationg guide
15:16<Athena>from the Debian page
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15:16<Athena>all 147 pages of it
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15:16<Athena>(if you download it)
15:17<JasonS>Athena: read it online then, its not as easy i find as on paper but still
15:17<sheldonh>Athena: the directory you were looking at contains images for the 4.0r2 release on the i386 architecture. 21 CD images (although most users only need the first CD), then a businesscard iso, then a replacement for CD1, for those who prefer KDE, then a netinst install iso, then a replacement CD1 for those who prefer xfce (hint hint), then 4 isos for update CDs, for those with a previous 4.0 release cd set
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15:17<Athena><sheldohn> said it was for a minimal installation...maybe minimal for a workplace
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15:18<Athena>so the hint is that this one would work?
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15:18<sheldonh>Athena: it sounds like you should either use debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso or debian-40r2-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ... which one depends on a) whether your network interface is supported by 2.6.18, and b) whether you care about the difference in upfront download size
15:19[~]weasel still thinks it's confusing the netinst is called netinst
15:19<@weasel>the netboot should be called netinst
15:19<Athena><sheldohn> I care about the size...standard distributions take me 7 hours on a torrent
15:19<sheldonh>Athena: please bookmark this for later reading:
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15:21<Athena>ok i am looking at the pages suggested (and will bookmark) in the meantime I've found the XFCE you've suggested...the second one is the faster download?
15:22<Athena>debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso ( i thought this was what i was getting when i got the multiple CD thing)
15:22<Athena>(thanks to all for patience)
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15:23<sheldonh>Athena: the netinst is the smaller of the two (the file sizes are listed in the directory listing)
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15:24<Athena>ok so just go after ONE of the files...that makes sense. Do you think a torrent or download would be faster (given my slow net speed...)
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15:25<Athena>[i have been using linux for almost 2 years...believe it or not]
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15:26<flamsmark>anyone have any idea why a gigabyte ga n608 dq6 motherboard might be beeping intermittantly?
15:26<`cle>zepard, there? i think i am giving up on this pure-ftpd
15:26<Aleric>intermittantly meaning?
15:26<`cle>the init.d file still have some undefined constant
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15:27<`cle>but strangely, the program initiated fine at system start-up
15:27<kfb>Athena: if you have slow net speed I wouldn't use the netinst ISO even though it will install a minimal system it's meant to grab extra packages via sets from mirrors via ethernet or DSL or some other fast internet connection type
15:28<Athena>yes, i see the size...definitely a 7 hour job
15:29<Athena>what would be the same but minimal where i could then put what i want on it (i don't need a example CD but i do need some suggestions when installing)
15:29<JasonS>Athena: do what i did when i was on dialup and trying linux? start the dl and go to bed, when you wake up etc.
15:29<Athena>ie not a live cd
15:29<kfb>Athena: ok then use the netinst CD
15:29<Athena>yes that has occured to me (the go to bed part)
15:29<Athena>ah yes much smaller
15:30<kfb>Athena: but I warn you the netinst CD will install a really minimal bare bones system
15:30<Athena>can i then download what i want? like and XFCE system?
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15:30<Athena>hmm...i'll think on it...but thanks for all the help :-)
15:31<kfb>Athena: yeah you can then download what you want with apt-get or aptitude
15:31<Athena>is there a way to use synaptic (i'm much more comfortable with it)
15:31<JasonS>Athena: of course
15:31<Athena>no point getting a system that only uses adept
15:32<Athena>it will drive me nuts
15:32<JasonS>Athena: you wont, but theres nothing easier then aptitude install foo
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15:32<kfb>Athena: I don't think the netinst base system installs Xorg by default so you won't be able to use synaptic at first
15:32<Athena>I think i'll download it overnight then
15:33<Athena>or if it has aptitute...can the first thing i do is add synaptic
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15:35<sheldonh>Athena: if you use netinstall, you can install xfce on the box with aptitude. fire up apttiude, select Tasks, End-user, move down to Xfce desktop environment and press plus (+). then press g and be happy
15:35<kfb>Athena: <-- use this advice but use XFCE instead of fluxbox
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15:39<Athena>again many thanks...bye for now
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15:49<zepard>`cle, im back
15:50<`cle>may i know, if i do changes in init.d, do i need to do the same changes to rc2.d in order to make things run??
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15:52<_grim_>`cle: if you mean changes to scripts, you don't as long as all stuff in rc2.d are links to init.d
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15:53<`cle>ic.. that's mean everything in rc1.d etc are initially linked to init.d
15:53<frood>that's right
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15:53<`cle>icic.. thx
15:53<frood>just links to wahtever services you want running at runlevel 1
15:53<frood>which is single user mode, so not much
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15:54<`cle>icic... :)
15:54<`cle>guys.. getting quite fed-up with my pure-ftpd here.. any good recommendation for a good ftp server??
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15:55<_grim_>`cle: is vsftpd not enough for you? it's quite usable
15:56<`cle>don't know.. i'm new in linux server.. pure-ftpd was the first ftp server i tried
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15:56<_grim_>sorry, bad me
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15:57<`cle>may be give it a try on vsftpd.. :)
15:57<_grim_>just when i think about ftp server, vsftpd comes to mind
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15:57<_grim_>it's not that it's default or something
15:57<_grim_>it's simple and said to be secure
15:58<`cle>haha..... don't worry... i am looking for recommendation here also
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15:58<frood>i've been trying to expand my desktop across two screens using xrandr. however, when i increase the "Virtual" size in Xorg.conf and startx, the display crashes after about 5 seconds. any ideas where i can start to troubleshoot?
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15:58<_grim_>`cle: i heard pure-ftpd is good too, but never tried it
15:58<zepard>quite simple
15:59<`cle>yeah.. my friend recommend me pure-ftpd
15:59<zepard>I think it depends on what you whish to do with it
15:59<`cle>it's quite good initially.. but when i tried to add user
16:00<`cle>it's come to a big headache for me
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16:00<kfb>anyone having problems with totem in Lenny or is it just me ?
16:00<_grim_>`cle: it's simple when you ask for it to do simple things
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16:01<zepard>I found this, but humm
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16:02<_grim_>as for vsftpd, it uses standard linux users - those in passwd
16:02<leleobhz>someone know where can i find the status of kfreebsd port?
16:02<OWL[5053]>åñòü êòî ãîâîðèò ïî-ðóññêè? :-)
16:02<OWL[5053]>íóæíà ïîìîùü íîâè÷êó....
16:02<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:02<_grim_>pure-ftpd and proftpd can use user's in database
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16:02<lexel>OWL[5053], òóäà
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16:03<OWL[5053]>lexel: ñïàñèá ;-)
16:04<`cle>but i am trying to totally migrate my company windows server over to linux
16:04<`cle>that's why i am doing the testing at home now
16:05<`cle>so, i need to test run all the packages i need, and find a best of it.. :)
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16:06<`cle>grim: ic.. if the server cannot support virtual users, then i think i can't use that
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16:07<JasonS>`cle: i dont know about pure or pro but i do know vsftpd supports virtual users very well
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16:07<bloom>can't anything that supports PAM support virtual users?
16:08<_grim_>bloom: just pam itself is not enough
16:08<thomasbl>im right with that you need the service who do it?
16:08<bloom>what else is needed? (I'm not a PAM guru)
16:09<thomasbl>what exactly are you wanna do?
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16:09<`cle>if vsftpd can, then i should take a look on it..
16:09<thomasbl>is it for a FTP server or what service else?
16:09<_grim_>bloom: you need some way to get user details (uid, gid, home dir maybe), that all done either via nss or got from database
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16:10<`cle>anyway guys.. how to remove packages from debian??
16:10<zepard>apt-get remove
16:10<thomasbl>`cle: apt-get remove
16:10<frood>apt-get remove
16:10<JasonS>`cle: same way you installed it apt-get remove, aptitude remove
16:10<zepard>apt-get remove pure-ftpd
16:10<`cle>icic.. thanks
16:10<frood>apt-get autoremove
16:11<thomasbl>apt-get remove --purge
16:11<frood>rm -rf /
16:11<thomasbl>if you wnat to delete the configfiles either
16:11<JasonS>frood: stop that
16:11<zepard>not nice :/
16:11[~]frood looks sheepish
16:12<JasonS>frood: good way to not only get banned but iirc klined as well
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16:12<frood>yeah, wasn't thinking. sorry all
16:12<thomasbl>well the guys on oftc are very strange with that kind of helping....
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16:12<zepard>ok, have fun guys, bye see you next time tomorrow is working day
16:13<_grim_>as for that rm -rf, it's as funny as real. the silly joke of friend resulted in reinstalling the system
16:13<`cle>zzz.... still alot of testing need to be done.. and it's 5:13 in the morning over my place here
16:14<`cle>omg.. rm -rf is for reinstalling the system??
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16:14<JasonS>`cle: no, and please dont run that command
16:14<zepard>rm == remove
16:14<thomasbl>its for deleting any stuff on your harddrive
16:14<zepard>-r recursive
16:15<`cle>u mean all the stuff??
16:15<zepard> == on root means on whole your system
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16:15<zepard>ok should go , bye
16:16<`cle>that's mean if i run that command on root, mean my whole system gone??
16:16<zepard>proftpd for simple config then :)
16:16<`cle>ok.... zepard
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16:16<`cle>thanks for help
16:16<zepard>but read guides first
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16:20<kfb>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning "can't configure Debian"
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16:22<bjb_>set log
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16:28<bjb_>so to answer my question of Jan 2: check out dbs (but it's not official policy) and/or dpatch (afaict, also non-official policy). Or maybe even quilt (again, not official policy).
16:28<bjb_>The question was how can I add a patch to the pilot-link package?
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16:29<gravity>dbs is kinda icky
16:29<gravity>bjb_: How is pilot-link already packaged?
16:30<jrolland-iMac>I'm having some problems running xmame (a part of non-free)
16:31<gravity>There's our answer then
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16:31<jrolland-iMac>It isn't showing up in the Applications menu and it refuses to run from the command line
16:33<azeem>jrolland-iMac: instead of saying "refuse to run", you should've given us a precise error description
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16:34<@weasel>it its on the couch all day demanding beer
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16:35<bjb_>gravity - it has patches
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16:36<bjb_>azeem, gravity - I'm currently trying to tell if pilot-link build-depends on dbs - probably doesn't but I should check
16:36<azeem>22:30 < azeem> dpatch
16:36<bjb_>azeem, thanks - didn't know if you were recommending dpatch over dbs, or saying "pilot-link uses dpatch". Now I suspect the latter more than the former :-)
16:37<azeem>both, actually
16:37<bogyo>Hi there. Is it possible in Debian to have a partition encrypted so that it's content cannot be accessed nor cracked or whatever if the PC is stolen ?
16:37<azeem>bogyo: yes
16:37<bogyo>azeem: how secure is the encryption ?
16:37<bjb_>great - it looks easier. Although if pilot-link already used dbs the hard work was already done.
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16:38<bogyo>what about LUKS ? (reading a manual right now..)
16:38<azeem>bogyo: I don't know, I assume it's fine for you, unless you're working for some national secret service
16:38<oreoz>Hey all, I'm having a big problem resolving a glibc issue, anyone care to help me out?
16:38<azeem>bjb_: why do you keep bringing up dbs?
16:38<azeem>it's so 90s
16:38<bogyo>I'd like to secure my data exactly from the national secret services :)
16:39<oreoz>Everytime I've installed a new linux distro I've had a glibc problem, it's probably operator error.
16:39<bogyo>(against them)
16:39<Myon>oreoz: put the full error message on
16:40<bjb_>azeem, I was looking for a way to work with these patches easily, and that was the first package I ran into. Not knowing anything about it, I figured I'd better look at it. But afterwards, also noticed references to dpatch. So as a quick way to discover more, typed their names into #debian :-)
16:40<gravity>bjb_: For what it's worth, you can check the build-depends in debian/control to see if it depends on a patch system like dbs or quilt
16:40<azeem>bjb_: if you make a new package, use dpatch or quilt (or cdbs' simple-patchsys for trivial patches if you use cdbs anyway)
16:40<bjb_>thanks gravity - I was wondering if there was an apt-cache depends -like command but I guess not
16:40<oreoz>Myon: sent.
16:40<azeem>bjb_: otherwise, use whatever the package you look at uses
16:41<bjb_>Thanks azeem, will take note
16:41<azeem>bjb_: it's apt-cache <package> | grep Depends
16:41<azeem>bjb_: it's apt-cache showsrc <package> | grep Build-Depends
16:41<Myon>oreoz: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
16:41<bjb_>azeem, thanks
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16:42<Myon>remove all locally built versions
16:42<azeem>`cle: eh?
16:42<`cle>i removed the pure-ftpd from my system
16:42<`cle>and install vsftpd
16:42<`cle>but when i try to connect to my server
16:42<`cle>it's still connected to pure-ftpd with error
16:43<Myon>`cle: start by pressing Enter less often
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16:44<`cle>ok... i tried pure-ftpd and fed-up.. so i decided to removed it and get vsftpd.. after i configure everything on vsftpd.. i try to connect to my ftp server, it's still connected to the pure-ftpd packages
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16:45<Myon>well, make sure the daemon is really stopped, and that inetd.conf is up to date if you are using that
16:45<`cle>and come out with all sort of error
16:45<Myon>errors ->
16:46<jrolland-iMac>Errors for xmame
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16:47<chump__>hey guys for some reason ipw3945d isn't in my cache
16:47<oreoz>Myon: I can
16:47<oreoz>er... excuse me
16:47<jrolland-iMac>azeem: FYI
16:47<oreoz>Myon: I can't seem to locate the older version of glib... eh or the newer one at that
16:48<stew>chump__: its not in debian becuase its not free. you can get it from the non-free repositories: /msg dpkg non-free
16:48<Myon>most likely in /usr/local/*
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16:48<oreoz>i thought so too... shall look again
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16:48<Myon>`cle: man inetd.conf
16:49<`cle>what i should do to my inetd.conf??
16:50<oreoz>Myon: okay so I'm pretty lost here, I'm finding glib2.0 under /usr/local/lib.... but dont know what is the older or newer or what
16:51<_grim_>chump__: ipw3845 is deprecated by upstreams
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16:52<jrolland-iMac>Can someone help with xmame?
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16:55<Myon>jrolland-iMac: is that with the original Debian packages?
16:55<jrolland-iMac>Myon: yes
16:55<Myon>on etch?
16:55<jrolland-iMac>It's in non-free
16:56<jrolland-iMac>Yes, on etch
16:56<`cle>myon: thanks.. it's done
16:57<Myon>jrolland-iMac: try installing one of these
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17:00<frood>hmm so xrandr works if i run KDE as root. but not Gnome as me o Gnome as root :S
17:00<frood>why is nothing ever easy?
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17:02<JasonS>frood: makes you appreciate it more that way
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17:05<frood>i guess
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17:06<jrolland-iMac>Myon: I installed the package, but still got the error:
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17:06<azeem>jrolland-iMac: which package?
17:06<jrolland-iMac>Maybe the library is installed in a nonstandard directory
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17:22<Knorrie>who! aptitude segfault!
17:22<Knorrie>Reading state information... Done
17:22<Knorrie>Reading extended state information
17:22<Knorrie>Segmentation faultge states... 0%
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17:22<Knorrie>never seen that before
17:22<Knorrie>sadly i cant reproduce
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17:36<Guest2336>good night
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17:37<Guest2336>i have one question regarding the 4.0 r2 release.
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17:38<Guest2336>i have downloaded the dvd
17:38<Guest2336>how can i use the dvd in order to update my debian 4.0 ?
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17:40<schloffengoggan>hey guys i have a ipw3945 and i'm trying to get it operational i have installed the ipw3945d and the drivers and i've modprobed it but now when i try and start ipw3945d it give this error ERROR: Counld not find the Intel Pro/Wireless Network Connection
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17:40<_grim_>schloffengoggan: did you installed the firmware as well?
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17:41<schloffengoggan>i was going to but the package said 'old'
17:41<geert_>Can someone explain why I see different values in df -k and in lvdisplay --units k? I'm trying to resize the lvm volume and to see how much I should shrink my ext3 fs.
17:41<schloffengoggan>so i figured it was no longer needed
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17:43<_grim_>schloffengoggan: and you shoudn't bother starting ipw3945d - module starts it automatically
17:43<schloffengoggan>so it will start in boot?
17:43<Guest2336>how can i use the dvd of r2 in order to update my debian 4.0 ?
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17:44<valdyn>Guest2336: why the hell did you download it just to do that upgrade?
17:44<_grim_>schloffengoggan: it'll be started by the ipw3945 module on loading
17:44<schloffengoggan>is there a way i can tell it not to start on boot because it makes my boot time like 45 seconds longer with it start automactically waiting for eth1 and eth0 to time out on dhcp if i'm not at my house
17:44<_grim_>so you need just to add ipw3945 to loaded modules on startup
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17:45<schloffengoggan>i do this in system sessions?
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17:45<_grim_>schloffengoggan: as for now you may try modprobe -r ipw3845
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17:45<schloffengoggan>yeah its modprobed now
17:45<_grim_>schloffengoggan: and modprobe ipw3845
17:45<valdyn>Guest2336: your system should already be up to date if you run apt-get uppdate && apt-get upgrade regularily and have nothing held back
17:45<schloffengoggan>it was the firmware
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17:45<Guest2336>i have a machine wish is not connected to the internet i since they have released the update dvd, well it's supposed to use it ?
17:46<Guest2336>right ?
17:46<valdyn>Guest2336: no
17:46<valdyn>Guest2336: that
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17:46<valdyn>Guest2336: thats 4.4G for a ~50mb upgrade maybe (depending on your actual current state)
17:47<Guest2336>the machine i have is installed with version 4.0 r0
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17:47<schloffengoggan>thank you _grim_ and valdyn you both helped me fix that problem i have a question if i leave terminal open just in idle i get this coming up "disabling IRQ #18" and it locks up that terminal any idea what its doing here and why ?
17:47<valdyn>Guest2336: yes, i know
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17:48<Guest2336>i already "add cdrom" in synapitc
17:49<Guest2336>the system know of the existence of the dvd.
17:50<Guest2336>the other machines i have with debian, are connect to the internet, and i do all the updates.
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17:52<sheldonh>compiz --replace wasn't nearly as exciting as i'd hoped :)
17:53<frood>you don't like compiz?
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17:54<sheldonh>frood: dunno. it just blew away my window manager (kwin) and apparently left me in 2d mode (which i'm trying to avoid because the proprietary nvidia drivers have terrible 2d performance on the 8 series)
17:55<sheldonh>frood: (i installed compiz-kde, on sid)
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17:55<frood>sheldonh: it's cool. too slow on my lappy thuogh
17:56<frood>sheldonh: expose is useful. the rest is kinda pointless
17:56<Kebianizao>Hello again
17:56<sheldonh>frood: did you follow
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17:56<Kebianizao>anyone could explain why in, line 11-12 and 198 defers so much?
17:56<frood>sheldonh : no i found some page with the apt sources and apt-getted it. i then just clicked the compiz-fusion icon
17:56<Kebianizao>that's a schroot -i -c sid32 --debug=notice
17:57<frood>sheldonh : thats a good point actually. i'm using compiz-fusion
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17:58<blal>Is it possible to get Xvnc (the X server that uses VNC) to use SSH for authentication?
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18:00<flamsmark>using the netinst cd [40r2], can intall to an encrypted lvm on a softraid array [my mobo has a pseudo-raid-controller]
18:01<chump_>how hard is ipw2200 to get up and running ?
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18:09<frood>bla1: You can have VNC only accept connections from localhost, and use an SSH tunnel to connect
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18:18<inis>hi i have a problem with sendmail. i tried to figure out why i cannot send mails, but i am stuck.
18:18<inis>i tried this tutorial
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18:18<frood>inis : Do the mails bounce?
18:18<inis>sendmail daemon restarts fine
18:19<inis>my queue is full though
18:19<frood>inis : What do the logs say?
18:19<inis>frood: (Deferred: 451 4.3.0 Temporary system failure. Please try aga)
18:19<inis>thats in my queue
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18:20<inis>my log sais: frood: (1000/1000), delay=01:41:46, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=1290013, relay=[], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: 451 4.3.0 Temporary system failure. Please try again later.
18:21<inis>and this, but i cannot figure out what it means: SYSERR(root): hash map "access": missing map file /etc/mail/access.db: No such file or directory
18:22<frood>inis : google says that that error can be caused by incorrect permissions on /etc/mail/access.db. your error there seems to suggest that that file could be the problem
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18:23<frood>inis : do you even have an access.db file? maybe the location is wrong in a config file somewhere
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18:24<inis>no i do not have the file.
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18:38<vook>Is Iceweasel exactly identical to Firefox with the exception of the artwork?
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18:41<frood>vook : yeah
18:41<vook>I ask I've been experiencing an issue with iceweasle. It occasionally falls into some kind of endless loop, causing my whole system to screech to a stand-still.
18:42<frood>try the FF3 beta
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18:48<miksuh>vook: could be flash
18:48<miksuh>flash really sucks sometimes
18:48<vook>its not
18:49<vook>it happens when I'm coding my own html.
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18:50[~]JasonS still blames flash, just cause
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18:51<vook>It happens when I write buggy html (while in the process of debugging). It's pure html 3.2 too.
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18:55<vook>I can see it happen - my system load meter in gnome is generally low/flat. All of a sudden, I start to see it gradually climbing. At that point it's a race to kill firefox-bin while the system is still responsive.
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19:01<vook>Does anyone here have an ATI 9000 chipset on their laptop? I just bought a IBM T41 (I don't have it yet). I'm curious if it'll support xcomposite/transparency.
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19:06<lupine_85>vook: both the 'ati' and 'fglrx' drivers support composite these days
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19:08<lupine_85>I have a program playing sounds through alsa. How do I prevent that one program (but not any other programs) from playing sound?
19:08<lupine_85>(the program is iceweasel)
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19:16<tkword>anybody here ?
19:17<xayon>tkword, I'm here
19:17<xayon>Why? :P
19:17<tkword>hi~ ^^
19:18<lupine_85>nobody here but us chickens...
19:19<tkword>your country ..?
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19:20<tkword>ye.. im korean
19:20<kfb>Anyone else having problems with totem on Lenny or is it just me ?
19:20<xayon>kfb, what kind of problems?
19:21<kfb>xayon: hold on a second I'll get the error messages
19:23<kfb>xayon: ** (totem:8557): WARNING **: Error connecting to D-Bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session **** ** (totem:8557): WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session **** Plugin Error : unable to activate plugin Media Player Keys
19:23<kfb>xayon: those are the error messages I get
19:23<kfb>xayon: dbus is running on my system
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19:26<kfb>xayon: at least vlc is now working on Lenny so I have an alternative solution
19:27<xayon>Don't know, just for trying, dbus-launch totem does the same?
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19:29<kfb>xayon: I fixed the problem
19:29<kfb>xayon: I had to install the dbus-x11 package
19:30<kfb>xayon: that should probably be a dependency with totem-xine or totem-gstreamer IMHO
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19:31<xayon>I dind't have to install it :/
19:31<kfb>xayon: weird I did
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19:42<flamsmark>is it possible to put an encrypted lvm on top of a raid5 array? when i try to do it with 'guided', it tells me to erase the lvm already on the disk [which it can't]. if it can be done, how can i install to an encrypted root on the array?
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19:47<butthead_>Where does mysql store the actual database files?
19:47<petemc> /var/lib/mysql/
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19:48<butthead_>petemc: thats what I thought, /var/lib/mysql is empty, but I have entries in databases when I run a mysql client.
19:48<butthead_>petemc: I can show the tables, etc, but I cant find the actual files.
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19:49<xayon> /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout
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19:49<xayon>fuck, sorry
19:49<inis>i do not understand this logfile from sendmail. first it tells me the mail is accepted then it does not send the mail.
19:50<inis>ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, pri=30053, relay=[] [], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (m070t5N5017463 Message accepted for delivery)
19:50<inis>STARTTLS=client,, version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA, bits=168/168
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19:51<inis>at last it tells me the service is unavailable.
19:51<flamsmark>so, anyone know how to install an encrypted root onto a raid array?
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19:54<veo^^>hello, i'd like to access my mysql from another server, how do i make it listen for outside connections?
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20:02<stew>veo^^: edit the bind-address line in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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20:05<Tetracomm>Does anyone in here think that Debian is higher quality than Ubuntu?
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20:05<Tetracomm>I'm thinking about switching.
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20:06<Tetracomm>Or faster than Ubuntu?
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20:11<Tetracomm>Is Debian any faster or more efficient than Ubuntu?
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20:11<Tetracomm>Or more stable?
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20:11<Tetracomm>Better in any way?
20:11<Knorrie>Tetracomm: compare the packages and kernel which you wanna use?
20:12<Knorrie>or the release-system?
20:12<Tetracomm>I don't know.
20:12<Tetracomm>The quality of the operating system itself.
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20:15<Knorrie>the 'operating system' is (concerning debian) made of the Linux kernel and the GNU userland
20:16<Knorrie>so debian does not make an operating system, it manages to put together the kernel and GNU all extra thingies to let it 'just work'
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20:16<Tetracomm>Is Debian itself better than Ubuntu?
20:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
20:17<Knorrie>hey.. :)
20:18<Tetracomm>Thank you.
20:18<chealer>Knorrie: it's not because Debian uses the product of other projects that it's not an operating system.
20:18<Knorrie>ubuntu is a snapshot of debian unstable, thoroghly hacked to add more end user experience
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20:33<Knorrie>chealer: sure, but i wonder what's the 'official' difference between an OS and a distro
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20:36<vook>eh... we have a kernel (linux), then we pile on a bunch of GNU software. If my kernel boots, and I have a shell and a filesystem, I have an OS.
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20:37<Lynx>or let's say: A distro is a compilation of software
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20:38<vook>how about we say a distro is a distribution of software?
20:38<vook>ya think?
20:39<flamsmark>i figure that enough time has passed that it's reasonable to ask again
20:39<flamsmark>how can i install an encrypted root on a raid5 array?
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20:43<flamsmark>apparently not :(
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20:43<vook>flamsmark: are you using netinst?
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20:47<chump_>hey guys i'm trying to get Virtualbox-ose running and I have install the proper module for my system and wheni try and start a VM it tells me to start a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start... but i don't have this in this file did i miss something in the install?
20:47<chump_>thanks an advance for any help you can give me
20:47<flamsmark>vook yes
20:50<flamsmark>vook is that going to be a good or a bad thing?
20:50<steven-m>can anyone help me out with pam_listfile?
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20:53<DaCapn>anyone able to offer some suggestions as to where to look for solutions to the following problems with an encrypted root?
20:53<steven-m>hi all
20:54<chump_>hey steven-m
20:54<steven-m>can anyone help me with pam_listfile?
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20:55<flamsmark>vook, are you there?
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20:57<chump_>DaCapn: did you forget the passphrase or what?
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20:58<DaCapn>nope, passphrase is entered correctly, when I boot from a livecd, I can then decrypt and mount the partition
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21:01<flamsmark>alas, it appears that my only potential benefactor has died :(
21:01<flamsmark>[or been otherwise incapacitated]
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21:04<chump_>flamsmark: put me down i'll take your stuff if you die
21:04<flamsmark>chump_ i wan't feeling at risk of that until now
21:05<chump_>flamsmark: don't worry about it you don't need stuff if you die any way you can just haunt a really nice place
21:06<flamsmark>but i have really nice stuff!
21:06<flamsmark>i want to keep it
21:06<flamsmark>and use
21:06<flamsmark>and so on
21:07<chump_>well i guess live a clean life and you'll get as much use out of your body and stuff as you can get
21:08<chump_>unless you get hit by a truck in which case no amount of living right helps truck > living right
21:08<chump_>oh and by living right i mean put me down as your next of kin
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21:09<chump_>how terrible is that if some random person is out there wanting you to die so he gets stuff
21:09<flamsmark>what makes you deserve my stuff?
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21:11<chump_>i'll give you an awsome uglly
21:11<flamsmark>i'd like to see you ugoogalise anyone
21:11<The_Rikard>I'm trying debian in stead of Fedora 8 at the moment. Is there a package manager type program like yum?
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21:11<chump_>yum was stolen from debian
21:12<The_Rikard>Seeing as Linux is free software, don't you mean it was modified?
21:12<The_Rikard>Everythings open source. How do you steal from another distribution?
21:12<chump_>well you get that reference you can't be old flamsmark don't worry aobut it
21:12<chump_>it was a joke The_Rikard
21:13<chump_>i do think Mac steals from the linux community but thats nor here nor there
21:13<chump_>altho linux steals from mac also
21:13<The_Rikard>Is there a type website for debian so I can look for common questions?
21:13<flamsmark>unless i'm one of those creepy old people who like's to hang with the young crowd
21:13<flamsmark>i can party with the teenagers
21:14<flamsmark>i have unprotected recreational sex
21:14<flamsmark>and do some coke
21:14<chump_>well then why would you worrya bout dropping dead
21:14<chump_>well that might kill you
21:14<flamsmark>i have a gimp in the basement
21:14<chump_>that F's with your heart
21:14<flamsmark>i'm planning to break him in next weekend
21:15<flamsmark>for years now, my heart has been like ice within my chest
21:15<chump_>gimp in hte basement seems more like a prison thing then a death thing but hey good for you white slavery rules
21:15<flamsmark>a heavy weight upon my soul
21:15<flamsmark>who says either of us are white?
21:15<chump_>white slavery is a term used for sexual slavery
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21:16<chump_>has nothing to do with skin color
21:16[~]flamsmark takes notes
21:16<The_Rikard>How do I turn off apt-get's auto update so I can run it myself? :/
21:16<chump_>i've never had auto update on
21:16<flamsmark>incidentally, why can't i mark any of my partitions as bootable?
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21:17<chump_>good question i have no idea
21:18<flamsmark>it is decidedly inconvenient
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21:20<chump_>seems as thought it would be
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21:23<Supaplex>flamsmark: no kicking the pc now ;)
21:23<chump_>what are you using to parition your disks flamsmark?
21:24<flamsmark>partman on the netinst disk
21:24<flamsmark>and i wouldn't kick it. it is awesome, and fragile, and oh-so-shiny
21:24<flamsmark>also, i have it on good authority that it 'pwns' owing to its being 'l337'
21:24<Supaplex>yea, it's too nice to kick with a boot. :)
21:25<flamsmark>waaaaaaaaaay to nice
21:25<flamsmark>especially with the steelies that i'm wearing
21:25<Supaplex>how does fdisk fare at flagging the partition bootable? are you using multiple os'es to boot?
21:25<flamsmark>they'd put a right dent in my lian li
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21:25<flamsmark>i'm not using multiple oses
21:26<flamsmark>but i am doing something silly
21:26<Supaplex>any reason a bootloader on the mbr won't work?
21:26<flamsmark>i have three disks, each filled with a single partition
21:26<flamsmark>these partitions are marked as physical bits for use as a raid
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21:26<flamsmark>the mdisk uses all of them, with an lvm on it
21:27<flamsmark>this contains two lvs
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21:27<flamsmark>one is a 256mb ext3 /boot
21:27<flamsmark>the other is a <large> block marked as physical space for yet *another* lvm
21:28<flamsmark>sorry, not there yet, that block is marked as physical space for encryption
21:28<flamsmark>in that encrypted block, there lives an lvm
21:28<flamsmark>inside *that* lvm are two partitions
21:28<flamsmark>a little swap one at the end
21:29<flamsmark>and a large / one at the start
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21:29<flamsmark>i wouldn't know how fdisk would fare, because - and here's the kicker - i can't get out of this screen *without* marking something as bootable
21:30<flamsmark>i guess i could put a bootable partiton on my *other* other disk
21:30<flamsmark>but that's going to be formatted later anyway
21:30<flamsmark>i am at a loss
21:30<chump_>what screen are you at flamsark?
21:31<flamsmark>'[!!] Partition disks' is the title
21:31<flamsmark>it has a large selection of disks, and partitions, and lvms, and so on
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21:37<flamsmark>yes, another entire room full of experts foiled with my apparently simplistic problem
21:38[~]flamsmark profits
21:40<chump_>i'm NO expert for sure
21:40<chump_>are you implementing lvm?
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21:43<flamsmark>i'm using lvm, to be sure
21:44<chump_>if i recall correctly there is an option at the top to complete LVM formating
21:44<chump_>you have to create the lvm's and go to an option at the top or next screen to make then bootable
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21:45<chump_>its been a while since i played with LVM but if memory serves thats where its at
21:45<flamsmark>at the top, you say...
21:45<flamsmark>hmn, well, i just tried *something*
21:45<flamsmark>at the top
21:46<flamsmark>in the lvm option
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21:46<flamsmark>unfortunately, one of the tasks in which it seems to be interested is formatting / as ext3
21:46<chump_>and you don't want to do this?
21:46<flamsmark>well, i do
21:46<flamsmark>but not yet
21:46<veo^^>does somebody know why ANY change applyed to my.cnf result in a crash when mysql start?
21:48<chump_>hmm why not?
21:48<chump_>i'm about 100% sure you have to label them then go and mark them as bootable
21:48<flamsmark>because / is one and a half terabytes big
21:48<flamsmark>and i have to sleep sometime
21:49<flamsmark>it looks like i'll just get up in the morning, and see what happened :s
21:50<chump_>what are you doing with 1.5teras ?
21:50<javo>hello, i have a rare problem, i think maybe can be a bug.... i have a disk partition ntfs which i mount using ntfs-3g. I set a charset when mounting in /etc/fstab. This partition contains lot of music. When i browse this partition with konqueror i see all characters ok, but when i browse it with amarok, i have some troubles with charset.
21:51<flamsmark>certainly not restarting carnivore ¬_¬
21:51<javo>any idea? Thanks you!
21:51<flamsmark>strictly, i have 2.25TiB
21:51<flamsmark>but the 3-disk raid limits that a bit
21:52<flamsmark>nonetheless, i could probably hook this baby up to the internet and just start downloading
21:52<flamsmark>my other computer only has 800gb :(
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21:53<chump_>hha i thought i was rocking with 1 tera for my sever haha
21:54<flamsmark>whadayamean server? this thing's a desktop :p
21:54<flamsmark>well, when i say that, what i mean is 'i'm installing windows on a 76gb raptor so that i can play games'
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21:55<flamsmark>right, so the formatting has finally come to a close
21:55<flamsmark>you were - perhaps - suggesting that i aim for 'configure logical volume manager' among the options at the top of the screen?
21:56<flamsmark>this allows me to 'display configuration details' 'delete logical volume' or 'finish'
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21:57<flamsmark>the first option 'diskplay's without giving me any power
21:57<panagos>i want to upgrade my graphics card from nvidia to ati, do i need to uninstall anything before i install the ati drivers?
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21:57<flamsmark>isn't that commonly called a *down*grade, panagos?
21:58<panagos>flamsmark: well... the nvidia one is onboard, while the ati one is a full-fledged card ;)
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21:58<flamsmark>javo, have you checked amarok so see if it's their problem?
21:59<flamsmark>panagos, well, i'll begrudgingly give you that one
21:59<javo>no i didnt check anything yet
21:59<flamsmark>what *i* would do (and this is just me) is:
21:59<panagos>flamsmark: well, it's also a matter of $
21:59<flamsmark>javo, i'd recommend that
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21:59<flamsmark>panagos, step 1) power off
21:59<flamsmark>step 2) insert card
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22:00<javo>thanks flamsmark !
22:00<flamsmark>step 3) power on
22:00<flamsmark>javo, it's just a guess
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22:00<flamsmark>panagos, step 4) wait
22:01<flamsmark>step 5) swap your monitor between sockets until you get a picture
22:01<flamsmark>at this point, it almost certainly won't look like you want
22:01<flamsmark>step 6) fix it
22:02<panagos>guess i'll have to go through the bios setup to make the ati default
22:02<flamsmark>it might do it on it's own
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22:04<flamsmark>noooo, chump, don't leave me!
22:04<flamsmark>if - say, you already had it set to do so when you plug in a gpu, panagos
22:05<panagos>won't there be a problem if i don't uninstall the nvidia drivers properly?
22:07<flamsmark>but my nothing-to-lose ralatively anonymous disembodied internet voice suggests that it'd be easier to fix with the new card plugged in than not
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22:08<panagos>if i recall correct, i had used m-a to install nvidia
22:08<flamsmark>who will help me with my raid and lvm and encryption now that chump has left?
22:09<flamsmark>does anyone know how to make partitions on an lvm bootable?
22:09<panagos>flamsmark: i don't think you can
22:09<panagos>since they are not real partitions
22:11<flamsmark>but they have real partitions *in* them
22:11<flamsmark>besides, how else can you boot off a raid?
22:11<panagos>personally, i have a seperate real partition for /
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22:12<flamsmark>how would i do that?
22:12<flamsmark>in partman
22:13<panagos>flamsmark: in a new installation?
22:14<flamsmark>that's a 'yes'
22:14<flamsmark>i have - 3 hard drives
22:14<flamsmark>i want - a raid 5 containing something encrypted, that i can boot
22:14<panagos>to be honest, when installing debian, i had used the installer's partitioner
22:15<panagos>encryption works on top of raid or under it?
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22:16<flamsmark>i'm using the installer's partitoner
22:16<flamsmark>it's called partman
22:16<flamsmark>and i'm putting the encryption on top of the array
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22:18<panagos>i recommend that you use a normal boot partition, or else it can get very confusing :D
22:18<panagos>i guess grub has its limits
22:19<flamsmark>where can i put the boot partition?
22:19<panagos>the disks are all the same size?
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22:20<flamsmark>there's no convenient 256mb left over after equal partitons
22:20<panagos>and i guess you're using linux software raid (md)? or lvm?
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22:21<QueenLIVES>ok seriously, wwhat is DEBIAN?
22:21<flamsmark>it seems to be a software raid with an lvm on top
22:21<flamsmark>and i can't get rid of the lvm, or change it in any way
22:21<panagos>oh my god
22:21<QueenLIVES>i`m new
22:21<flamsmark>do not feed the troll
22:21<panagos>flamsmark: but you said it's a new installation
22:22<QueenLIVES>what is debian
22:22<flamsmark>if i create a raid array, it has an lvm on it
22:22<panagos>ah, multi-boot
22:22<flamsmark>no multiboot
22:23<flamsmark>lvm iff raid array
22:23<panagos>a first idea would be: make a 200MB partition on each drive, and make a raid with the rest
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22:24<flamsmark>but that's be a waste of - like - almost a gigabyte!
22:24<panagos>and a 600MB vanilla lvm for /
22:24<panagos>(or 40MB instead of 200MB, etc)
22:25<panagos>and you have a root partition that should be easier to boot
22:25<panagos>(just brainstorming :D)
22:26<panagos>if you also want / encrypted, make a /boot partition
22:26<panagos>just for grub and the kernel image
22:27<panagos>* if you also want the root partition encrypted, make a /boot partition
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22:27<flamsmark>what's that about a 600mb lvm for / ?
22:27<panagos>i just wanted to illustrate my point, you can make it as big/small as you want
22:27<panagos>say 3x40MB
22:28<flamsmark>i had a /boot partition in an lvm on the raid with a big partition next to it that was encrypted and had / and swap
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22:28<flamsmark>but i couldn't make the /boot bootable
22:28<flamsmark>in fact, i couldn't mark *anything* as bootable
22:28<panagos>when you say "bootable", you mean the boot flags in the partition table?
22:28<panagos>MBR and the like
22:29<flamsmark>that's what i mean
22:29<panagos>only real primary partitions (hda[1234]) can be made bootable
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22:31<flamsmark>so, in conclusion, i can't boot off a raid array for any reason
22:32<panagos>the partition with the boot loader (eg grub) must be a real partition
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22:32<panagos>and a primary one
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22:33<panagos>from what i know
22:33<flamsmark>i see another way around
22:33<flamsmark>i hadn't set my raid paritions as bootable
22:33<flamsmark>maybe that'd help
22:33<flamsmark>otherwise, i'll just make a small real partition at the start
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22:33<flamsmark>but that's not as elegant
22:34<panagos>the whole booting issue is pretty messy, i suggest you avoid it :D
22:34<flamsmark>rather along the same line as making a machine that never crashes
22:34<panagos>make a traditional root partition, and put a raid on the rest of the drive
22:35<flamsmark>actually, i could put in a tiny memory card, and put /boot and the key on that
22:35<panagos>or, you can boot from a usb drive! :P
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22:36<flamsmark>you know what, i think i'm going to go with the 'little boot partition'
22:36<flamsmark>how small is boot allowed to be?
22:37<panagos>i'd suggest a few hundred MB, to be sure
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22:37<panagos>no, that would be for a full root partition!
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22:38<panagos>if you have the kernel image in the raid, then i think even a megabyte is enough for /boot
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22:39<flamsmark>the kernel image?
22:39<panagos>at least my /boot/grub directory is that small
22:39<panagos>you know, the file with the kernel
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22:40<flamsmark>i thought that was on / ?
22:40<panagos>it can be on /boot
22:40<panagos>the idea is that if the kernel image is on a normal partition, the boot loader can find it more easily
22:41<flamsmark>you know what, fuck this, it's a 1.5tb array, why do i care about 500bm either way?
22:41<panagos>well, if you don't need to have /etc encrypted, i suggest you use a full / partition
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22:41<flamsmark>i'm making the damn /boot in 256mb, and doing everything else as planned
22:42<flamsmark>i want one system partition, and it's / and it's encrypted
22:42<panagos>but why?
22:42<panagos>why *one*?
22:43<flamsmark>because i don't know what sizes they're going to be
22:43<panagos>that's what lvm is for
22:44<panagos>lvm+ext3 -> online resizing of partitions
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22:45<flamsmark>but , with *one* partition, the directories always automagically negotiate disk space
22:45<flamsmark>what's the advantage of separate partitions?
22:45<panagos>but if the filesystem fails, you lose al your data
22:46<kmap_lab>flamsmark: Consider this. Your /usr or /etc is spoiled
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22:46<kmap_lab>flamsmark: If your /home is separate, it is enough to remove other stuff, and /home remain intact
22:46<panagos>besides, ext2/3 has problems with too big partitions
22:46<kmap_lab>flamsmark: So you can resintall and remount the old /home and use it as though nothing happened.
22:46<flamsmark>where does this 'spoil' ing come from?
22:47<panagos>(wait for btrfs!)
22:47<flamsmark>how big is 'big' for the purposes of ext3?
22:47<panagos>still in development
22:47<kmap_lab>flamsmark: You never know what might happen.
22:47<panagos>for ext3, i think about 50-60GB
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22:48<panagos>to tell you the truth, i had read that somewhere (can't recall where)
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22:48<flamsmark>well, that is consistant with the fact that i can't seem to format my 200-300gb external hard drives as ext3
22:48<panagos>but i have a /home of 97 GB, and it works pretty well, so i don't know
22:48<reto>question about amavis-new: how do I see if it has loaded a AV engine?
22:48<reto>I just get"ANTI-VIRUS code NOT loaded"
22:49<reto>although the corresponding av scanner has been added to the av_scanner array
22:49<panagos>flamsmark: you mean, the installer doesn't allow you?
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22:49<flamsmark>no, on my laptop, it consistantly fails
22:49<flamsmark>and on my old desktop
22:49<flamsmark>so i left them as ntfs or fat32
22:49<panagos>well, ext2/3/... is starting to get old...
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22:50<panagos>after all, it's optimized for small files
22:50<flamsmark>so - for the sake of argument - what fs should i be using for a 1.5gb array?
22:50<flamsmark>which will have lots of big files on it
22:50<flamsmark>generally undergoing slow incremental changes
22:50<panagos>1.5 TB you mean?
22:51<stew>panagos: you are saying that ext3 has problems with 60GB partitions? that's crazy
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22:51<stew>flamsmark: when in doubt, use ext3
22:51<flamsmark>yes, tb
22:52<flamsmark>that's what i was thinking
22:52<panagos>stew: i was trying to put a limit
22:52<flamsmark>but i have had problems with ext3 before
22:52<panagos>stew: how much would you say?
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22:53<stew>panagos: i don't know. i have not had problems with a couple of 4tb partitions. certainly WAY more than 60gb
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22:53<stew>panagos: i don't know what kind of problems you thiink might exist
22:53<flamsmark>my two cents here - i've never managed to get more than 76gb to work with ext3
22:53<stew>flamsmark: why not?
22:53<panagos>b-tree-ish problems
22:54<flamsmark>gparted throws an error
22:54<stew>panagos: what does that mean?
22:54<panagos>you know
22:54<stew>panagos: what is a b-tree-ish problem?
22:55<panagos>i don't know!
22:55<flamsmark>a problem loosely related to a b-tree
22:56<panagos>for example, it could run out of inodes :P
22:56<stew>panagos: and that is a b-tree-ish problem?
22:56<stew>i don't see what ext3 has to do with b-trees at all
22:57<panagos>or with whatever structure is used to implement the fs
22:57<flamsmark>is b here short for binary?
22:57<panagos>b is for b
22:57<panagos>jsut that
22:57<stew>flamsmark: a b-tree is a type of data structure that ext3 doesn't use.
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22:58<panagos>the whole thing of double/triple indirect blocks
22:58<stew>panagos: which whole thing is that?
22:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 299] by debhelper
22:59<flamsmark>so let's review
22:59<panagos>i mean, it starts getting inefficient after some size
22:59<flamsmark>is or is ext3 not suitable for sizes over about 65gb
23:00<flamsmark>and - that said - what's the 'right' fs for 1.5tb?
23:00<stew>flamsmark: ext3 is suitable for multiple terabytes at a time
23:00<stew>flamsmark: ext3
23:00<flamsmark>do we have consensus?
23:00<stew>flamsmark: i have several arrays here which are 1-4TB. i run ext3 with all the default settings, they have millions of small audio files, and i've never had problems
23:00<flamsmark>sounds resonable
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23:00<panagos>don't listen to me
23:01<flamsmark>right - being as that's the case
23:01<stew>flamsmark: you can ignore pangos. anyone that says ext3 has problems under 100GB is crazy
23:01<flamsmark>isn't crazy a prereq for using ext3 anyway?
23:02<flamsmark>sorry, forgive my humourloessness
23:02<panagos>i'll ignore that
23:02<flamsmark>might you be able to chip in on the subject of how to get an array to boot from an encrypted root that lives on it?
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23:04<panagos>flamsmark: btw, you use luks?
23:05<flamsmark>was that a false eureka?
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23:06<flamsmark>you know the answer?
23:06<flamsmark>oh come *on*
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23:06<panagos>i just had the feeling that luks was not in general use
23:07<panagos>i mean, i haven't heard of much talk around it
23:08<flamsmark>can i get a second opinion?
23:08<flamsmark>i thought that luks was the standard
23:08<panagos>oh, forget it
23:09<panagos>i mean, there seem to be few utilities around it
23:09<panagos>i haven't read many articles on it (compared eg to ext2)
23:09<panagos>but that might just be my imagination :P
23:09<flamsmark>as far as i see, they're generally limited to loopback thingy and luks
23:10<panagos>don't use loopback
23:10<panagos>the encryption algorithms are old
23:10<panagos>and so are the manpages
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23:11<flamsmark>this i know
23:11<chump_>hey guys i can't seem to instal my kernerl-headers
23:11<flamsmark>pleasure to see you again
23:11<panagos>to be honest, i really don't think that grub can use luks
23:11<chump_>hey whats going on flamsmark
23:11<chump_>apt-cache search kernel-header-`uname -r`
23:12<panagos>chump_: linux-kernel-headers
23:13<chump_>thanks panagos
23:13<chump_>i'm a tard
23:13<panagos>you're welcome
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23:13<stew>chump_: no, panagos is wrong, you want linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; linux-kernel-headers is something different
23:13<panagos>finally, i'm useful at something! :P
23:13<stew>panagos: no
23:14<flamsmark>part of the manual says that it might be able to
23:14<chump_>haha he got me lookingin the right direction though
23:14<flamsmark>the deb install manual, that is
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23:14<chump_>wait theres a manual?
23:14<chump_>where can i get said manual?
23:14<flamsmark>everything has a manual!
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23:14<flamsmark>it's in the tubes
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23:14<stew>chump_: which manual are you looking for?
23:15<chump_>well wher can i look to see where these manuals are
23:15<stew>chump_: what manuals?
23:16<chump_>flamsmark says theres a install manual
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23:16<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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23:17<flamsmark>i have been reading said install manual
23:17<chump_>hmm good times
23:17<flamsmark>it's almost very useful
23:17<panagos>liked that "almost"
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23:18<chump_>haha i did also
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23:18<flamsmark>well, it's true
23:18<flamsmark>it does two things
23:18<flamsmark>it tells you how to almost set up a very good system
23:19<flamsmark>it almost tells you how to set up a very good system
23:19<flamsmark>and it tells you how to set up an almost very good system
23:19<flamsmark>three things
23:19<flamsmark>the three things the manual does are to
23:19<DaCapn>anyone able to offer some suggestions as to where to look for solutions to the following problems with an encrypted root?
23:19<flamsmark>tell you how to almost set up a very good system
23:20<flamsmark>almost tell you how to set up a very good system
23:20<flamsmark>tell you how to set up an almost very good system
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23:20<flamsmark>and tell you almost how to set up a very good system
23:20<flamsmark>four things
23:20<DaCapn>could you stop that?
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23:20<flamsmark>dacapn, there's a punch line, can i finish?
23:21<flamsmark>no, amongst the things that it tells you how to do...
23:21<DaCapn>beating a dead horse is never funny
23:21<flamsmark>i'll come in again
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23:21<flamsmark>ahem, well i liked it
23:21<victor>Under Debian system, how can one speed up internet connection?
23:21<flamsmark>actually, dacapn, we were just talking about encrypted roots
23:22<victor>Mine is 1.5m cable, yet the page loading is so slow.
23:22<panagos>victor: you mean things like getright?
23:23<victor>panagos, let me google getright first.
23:23<flamsmark>victor, have you done a speed test?
23:24<victor>flamsmark, not yet.
23:24<flamsmark>i'd suggest that as stage 1
23:24<jonathan>hi, new to linux/debian here. I am trying to add flash plugin to iceweasel
23:24<flamsmark>are you using a router?
23:24<flamsmark>johnathan, what did you do?
23:24<jonathan>I have a amd64
23:24<chump_>man oh man Its Always sunny in philidelphia is great
23:24<jonathan>It won't let me change opermissions
23:25<victor>flamsmark, yes, I am.
23:25<flamsmark>victor, do you have a router?
23:25<jonathan>says I am not owner
23:25<flamsmark>can you go to the router's control panel and see what speed it thinks itc connected at?
23:25<jonathan>I found that
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23:26<flamsmark>victor, then pause your porn downloads, and your torrents, and your wares, and run a local speed test
23:26<panagos>jonathan: what permissions?
23:26<jonathan>to access the plugings
23:26<stew>victor: you might have a look at wondershaper
23:26<victor>flamsmark, i have no porn nor torrents.
23:27<victor>stew, ok.
23:27<stew>victor: are you trying to improve throughput or latency?
23:28<flamsmark>want to check the router and speed test first, then we know what we're dealing with
23:28<flamsmark>if you're going for throughput, i recommend upgrading to sneakernet
23:29<jonathan>tying to reach it through terminal says "you don't have permission" and when I try to place the file directly in the iceweasel extension folder it says the same thing
23:29<victor>stew, flamsmark is right, I don't even know what the problem is.
23:29<jonathan>when I try to change permission it say that I am not the owner
23:29<stew>jonathan: which files?
23:29<flamsmark>doing those speed tests victor?
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23:32<victor>flamsmark, sorry, the router is at my friend's, gotta do it later.
23:33<flamsmark>wait, what're you connected via now?
23:36<victor>flamsmark, a router, of course.
23:37<victor>we share one connection cable through the router, and the router is at his place.
23:37<flamsmark>okay, to go to the ip of your default gateway, and browse the control panel until you find the details
23:37<flamsmark>it doesn't have to be there with you
23:37<victor>flamsmark, see.
23:37<panagos>victor: how many metres is the cable?
23:37<flamsmark>are you sure that *he* isn't downloading porn and wares?
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23:38<flamsmark>once, i lost a box
23:38<flamsmark>it was responding to pings and working fine
23:38<flamsmark>i just couldn't find it
23:38<flamsmark>i searched high and low through the whole house
23:39<panagos>victor: you might want to check with the cable's condition
23:39<victor>flamsmark, almost sure. He is out and probably wont be back until tomorrow.
23:39<victor>panagos, it's a new one.
23:39<flamsmark>i later discovered that i was only connecting to it via a sort of vpn. the box was in another continent
23:39<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
23:40<flamsmark>anyway victor, despite the fact that when you're away is the ideal time to be downloading porn, lets move on
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23:40<flamsmark>can you go to the router's ip address in your web browser?
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23:40<flamsmark>and also to
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23:41<victor>flamsmark, i need to use the toilet, will be back.
23:41<flamsmark>victor, i feel that that might have been a little too much information
23:41<panagos>this is not gound to end well...
23:41<panagos>* going to
23:42<flamsmark>pangos, i fear that you may be right
23:43<flamsmark>even if i spell your name wrong
23:43<panagos>oh well
23:43<jonathan>Stew, I downloaded the tar.gzfile from and tried to place it in the iceweasel extension file
23:44<stew>jonathan: adobe doesn't make a 64 bit linux plugin
23:44<panagos>the thing is, when someone spells my name incorrectly, i don't get a notification that someone mentioned my name :P
23:44<panagos>jonathan: you don't have to do that
23:45<jonathan>how would I do it?
23:45<panagos>you decompress it, and an .so pops out
23:45<jonathan>i can't do anything to the apt sourcelist
23:46<flamsmark>i know
23:46<flamsmark>that's still something i find kinda eerie about irc
23:46<flamsmark>your ears burn if people talk about you
23:47<panagos>for a while, i had a two-letter nick, but later felt it was kindof rude
23:49<stew>jonathan: there is gnash which is a free implementation, or there is nspluginwrapper
23:50|-|hexmode` changed nick to hexmode
23:51<flamsmark>okay, i'm bored of ths
23:52<flamsmark>but with an i
23:52<flamsmark>now, how does one...
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23:57<victor>I have gone through the router's ip address, it doesn't say anywhere about the connection speed.
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23:58<victor>and the connection type is PPPoE.
23:59<victor>I have also run a test on
23:59<victor>and the result is
23:59<victor>down: 1500+
23:59<victor>up: 500+
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