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---Logopened Mon Jan 07 00:00:16 2008
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00:00<victor>throughput seems to be okay.
00:01<victor>I think what I must deal with is latency, am I right?
00:04<victor>stew, panagos, are you guys there?
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00:04<victor>any suggestions?
00:05<panagos>try downloading something big
00:05<panagos>(eg a debian iso cd!)
00:05<predder>does anyone know of a pre-existing method of checking which packages are installed on multiple Debian machines remotely short of ssh'ing in and running dpkg -l
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00:07<panagos>victor: i guess, when downloading something big, latency isn't much of an issue, and you can see your real speed
00:08<victor>panagos, ok.
00:08<panagos>predder: "aptitude search ~i"
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00:09<panagos>victor: well?
00:10<victor>panagos, wait a munite please.
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00:11<panagos>victor: if your friend is indeed downloading torrents, try setting priorities in the router
00:12<victor>how, please?
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00:13<panagos>victor: go to the router's html interface, and search around
00:13<veo^^>sql: Connection failed. Reason was `Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)`
00:14<veo^^>do i have to set something in /var/run/mysqld/ ?
00:14<victor>panagos, ok.
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00:25<chump_>hey guys how do i get adobe flash to work ?
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00:30<victor>panagos, i have tweaked iceweasel and it is much faster now. 
00:32<panagos>victor: good for you :P
00:32<victor>panagos, the downloading speed is around 160kbps.
00:32<victor>kind of slow.
00:32<panagos>it's a low of parameters
00:33<panagos>* a lot
00:33<victor>you mean the parameters are not accurate?
00:33<panagos>try downloading something from, they have really fast speeds
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00:34<panagos>victor: no, i mean there are a lot of reasons your speed can be low
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00:35<victor>panagos, i see. you mean servers, distance, workstation condition etc.
00:36<victor>Thank you for all your help.
00:36<jonathan>how do I get permission to access /etc/apt/sources.list
00:36<jonathan>I've been at it for a while now
00:36<panagos>jonathan: you must be root
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00:37<jonathan>I believe I am root
00:37<chump_>type whoami
00:37<panagos>run id
00:37<panagos>$ id
00:38<jonathan>whoami gets root : id gets root
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00:38<kmap_lab>jonathan: chmod 644 /etc/sources.list?
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00:41<jonathan>still no luck
00:42<kmap_lab>jonathan: What does ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list|awk '{ print $1}' give?
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00:42<kmap_lab>jonathan: Or, what are the permissions for the file?
00:44<chump_>do i need new repos to install adobe flash?
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00:47<streuner>chump_: there is a non-free and a free one
00:47<kmap_lab>jonathan: Then how are you tryng to access it? Or edit it?
00:47<streuner>but speaking about adobe is, of course, non-free
00:47<chump_>i've tried installing gnash but it still doesn't work
00:47<kmap_lab>jonathan: The permissions seem OK
00:48<jonathan>I tried through terminal and to edit the file
00:48<kmap_lab>jonathan: And what error do you get?
00:48<chump_>whats its name i can't find it in the repos
00:48<kmap_lab>chump_: flashplugin-nonfree?
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00:48<streuner>flashplugin-nonfree is the one from adobe
00:48<jonathan>through terminal I recieved: permission denied
00:49<jonathan>and going to the file I recieved : you are not the owner so you can't change permissions
00:49<kmap_lab>jonathan: What are you doing to get that command! Are you doing su;vim /etc/napt/sources.list?
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00:50<kmap_lab>jonathan: First of all, su
00:50<jonathan>I just typed in /etc/apt/sources.list
00:51<kmap_lab>jonathan: Noooo! That file is to be edited by an editor, like Emacs, Vim, gedit, Kate etc.
00:51<kmap_lab>jonathan: It can't be `executed'.
00:52<jonathan>when I edited through gedit it says I don't have permission
00:52<kmap_lab>jonathan: OK, did you do su?
00:52<kmap_lab>Then please do so
00:53<jonathan>what is that?
00:53<kmap_lab>jonathan: It makes you root in that shell
00:53<kmap_lab>Just type su
00:53<kmap_lab>Enter the root password
00:54<jonathan>where do I enter it at
00:54<kmap_lab>In the terminal
00:54<jonathan>sorry for my ignorance I am new to all this
00:54<kmap_lab>No problems. It's all simple. Let's do this now
00:55<chump_>what would be the repo for flashplugin-nonfree i have my set to non-free
00:55<jonathan>when I type su, nothing comes up
00:55<kmap_lab>jonathan: Now type whoami?
00:55<Christmas>you type your password
00:55<Christmas>the root password
00:55<Christmas>it goes in even if no feedback is provided as you type it
00:55<kmap_lab>Christmas: I suspect he's root already!
00:56<Christmas>oh, or that too :)
00:56<chump_>type whoami
00:56<jonathan>I am root already
00:56<kmap_lab>jonathan: Now try this
00:56<kmap_lab>jonathan: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
00:57<kmap_lab>jonathan: If it still doesn't work, do chown root.root /etc/apt/sources.list and then try editing it
00:57<kmap_lab>(Oh, and you can use gedit in place of nano -w)
00:58<jonathan>it did somethin'
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00:59<kmap_lab>jonathan: I see.
00:59<kmap_lab>jonathan: You can now use gedit to edit the file, I guess...
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01:01<jonathan>so I can add "deb etch main" to the file.
01:01<kmap_lab>jonathan: I guess you can.
01:02<kmap_lab>jonathan: And are you logged in to graphical mode as root?
01:03<jonathan>this is my second day with linux
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01:03<kmap_lab>jonathan: I see. But you're getting there pretty fast!
01:03<chump_>ok so does any one know which repo flashplugin-nonfree
01:03<kmap_lab>chump_: contrib
01:04<kmap_lab>chump_: Any standard mirror should have it
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01:04<jonathan>thanks for your help
01:04<jonathan>I'll let you know if it works
01:04<kmap_lab>jonathan: No problems. But please answer my question.
01:04<kmap_lab>jonathan: OK...
01:05<jonathan>what ?
01:05<kmap_lab>jonathan: Did you log into graphical mode with root user?
01:05<chump_>deb lenny main contrib non-free
01:05<chump_>that should give me what i need right?
01:06<kmap_lab>chump_: I am not sure
01:06<kmap_lab>chump_: It doesn't seem to be in testing...
01:07<stew>chump_: what arch are you on?
01:07<stew>chump_: and what version of debian?
01:08<dpkg>~ is, like, a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+'
01:09<kmap_lab>chump_: ?
01:10<chump_>debian lenny
01:10<kmap_lab>chump_: What architecture? i386 or amd64 or...?
01:11<kmap_lab>chump_: Ah. Just get the package from sid and dpkg -i <pkg> should work
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01:11<kmap_lab>I would not recommend adding sid to sources.list if you are unsure about it...
01:13<kmap_lab>chump_: Here's the reason:
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01:14<chump_>hmm so i should change it from lenny to sid?
01:14<stew>chump_: no, you shoudln't. just download this package from the web from sid and install it with dpkg -i
01:15<kmap_lab>chump_: And in case it complains about dependencies, use apt-get to get the dependencies and do dpkg -i again.
01:15<chump_>got ya thanks for your help
01:16<kmap_lab>chump_: No problems. :-)
01:16<stew>or run "aptitude -f install"
01:17<kmap_lab>Yes, I was about to say apt-get install -f...
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01:18<chump_>i download the .dsc version correct?
01:18<kmap_lab>chump_: Nope
01:18<kmap_lab>chump_: You should get the .deb for i386
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01:19<chump_>i'll find it i'm sure
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01:21<K|NgGh0sT>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, but I an getting the error nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable
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01:33<jonathan> kmap_lab: I tried to edit the grafical but it still says I do not have the permissions necessary to save to the file
01:34<jonathan>sorry for the delay i had to deal with my kids
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01:40<stew>jonathan: what do you mean by "edit the grafical" ?
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01:42<jonathan>in gedit
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01:42<jonathan>it wont let me save
01:45<stew>jonathan: what user did you run gedit as?
01:47<jonathan>I believe root
01:47<jonathan>How can I tell
01:48<stew>jonathan: type "whoami"
01:48<jonathan>I did it
01:49<stew>jonathan: what did it say?
01:49<jonathan>I have been trying access it the the my computer icon
01:50<stew>jonathan: i don't know what you mean by "it the the my computer icon"
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01:51<jonathan>by clicking my computer, then filesystem, then ect........
01:51<stew>jonathan: what is returned when you run "whoami"?
01:52<jonathan>I access gedit through the terminal and it worked
01:52<jonathan>I was able to edit it
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02:33<chump_>hey guys i was wondering what the command for seeing when a file was last modified?
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02:33<suiside>chump_: man ls
02:34<stew>chump_: stat filename
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02:39<chump_>thanks guys do you know of a manual for manageing user/groups on a server?
02:39<chump_>from the CLI?
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02:40<bremner>chump_ man adduser
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02:49<jonathan>Well, I got everything working
02:49<jonathan>thank you guys for the help
02:49<jonathan>I learned a bunch tonight
02:50<chump_>its good stuff
02:51<S7_aNG3r>Hi all. I have a question. What's going on in debian-russian mailing list? Yesterday and today some spam messages have got there.
02:52<S7_aNG3r>There some messages on japanese language.
02:58<jm_>probably spam
02:59<S7_aNG3r>ok. but is this normal?
03:00<chump_>glad i'm not signed up for any mailing lists haha
03:00<chump_>i get enough spam
03:00<kmap_lab>jonathan: Great!
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03:01<kmap_lab>S7_aNG3r: It depends on how many messages. A few messages once in a while is expected
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03:01<kmap_lab>chump_: That's cowardly, IMO. :-p
03:01<jm_>sadly it is normal these days
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03:01<kmap_lab>jm_: Especially after they shifted
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03:03<chump_>kmap_lab: my work email address was published on the company website haha so i get nothing but spam on that account and that forwards into my private email haha so trust me i get to go through my stack of spam daily
03:03<S7_aNG3r>kmap: ok. thanks.
03:03<kmap>chump_: :-)
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03:04<chump_>can someone tell me why all OS's suck at handling printers, i swear windows takes like 25 minutes to delete a file if its going to actually do it
03:04<chump_>linux isn't much better haha
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03:05<jm_>you mean delete a job from queue?
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03:08<Homer>I'm about to download a Debian installation DVD but I'm not sure which one to get. I have an Intel Q6600 CPU. Do I get AMD64 or IA64?
03:09<chump_>jm_: yeah
03:10<jm_>chump_: you are probably refering to printer not stoping printing when you do that, right?
03:10<jm_>Homer: amd64 if you want 64bit installation, x86 (or 386) otherwise
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03:10<Homer>even though I have an Intel CPU?
03:11<Homer>OK. strange but I'll get the amd64 DVD. thanks
03:11<chump_>no i mean the file staying in the queue
03:11<chump_>but yeah normally still prints
03:12<kmap>Homer: If it's one of those Core 2 Duos, I'd recommend amd64
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03:12<jm_>hmm never checked actual files on the disk, but checking queue status tells me it's gone
03:12<ant_>IA64 is Intel Itanium
03:12<Homer>kmap: I have a Q6600. thanks for linkage. will read now
03:12<ant_>which you wont see in a desktop
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03:14<Homer>is the AMD64 version of Debian a safe bet? I checked out Mepis 7 and it seemed much quicker than other distros I've been evaluating since Christmas, but some distros seem to have 64-bit issues
03:14<Homer>Mepis 7 64 bit, that is
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03:14<kmap_lab>Homer: Debian AMD64 is safe, but what doubts do you have?
03:15<jm_>there are some issues with some software for 64bit architectures, it's being fixed all the time - in short, not as smooth as 32bit x86, but not far off either
03:15<kmap_lab>Homer: In the sense, what problems do you anticipate?
03:15<Homer>kmap_lab: well, I hopefully anticipate no problems but general comments about mepis 64, for example, was that it was buggy and to stick with 32-bit
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03:16<kmap_lab>Homer: I can assure you tha several friends are running AMD64 peacefully, and it would be safw
03:16<ant_>Debian is fine for 64 bit - but if you use third party binaries you might have a bit of trouble. E.g. java plugin to firefox doesnt work, flash will with nspluginwrapper, skype needs libs installed by hand or a 32bit chroot
03:17<ant_>but all hardware works on my boxes, and all free software runs fine on it
03:17<Homer>given that so many distros are based on Debian I'm pondering just using Debian to switch from Windows instead of using them, but Debian might be more for techies?
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03:18<jm_>you shall be fine
03:18<ant_>Debian is not as simple as some other distros, but if you know a little you can get it working just fine!
03:18[~]Homer was hoping to check out Compiz, though, which hasn't been a walk in the park on other distros (well, PCLOS was nice in that respect)
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03:19<ant_>iirc Ububtu has it working fairly well, but I also havent tried the latest packages in Debian yet (my 3d cards all have some driver problems at the moment)
03:20<Homer>Compiz is just a curiosity that I mainly want to show off to Windows people. Anyway, one other question. Should I get just the first Debian CD or DVD? If I get the first DVD, there'd be less chance of having to download packages afterwards when I want things?
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03:21<chump_>ant_: i love debian its been the funnest for me so far
03:21<twb>Homer: if you want to minimize overall downloads, get the mini.iso, BBC or netinst ISO.
03:22<twb>Homer: they defer all downloading until you know you actually need to download something.
03:22<chump_>does any one know if VM-ware runs better or Virtualbox?
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03:22<twb>chump_: define `better'
03:23<Homer>twb: I have a mirror that doesn't count to my download quota. Would it be safe to use that for my official repositories? ( my experience using Internode's mirror of openSUSE resulted in a busted system and #suse people said the mirror was crap
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03:24<twb>Homer: sure, I use mirror.i.o.n
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03:24<twb>Homer: that also mirrors the .iso's, I think
03:24<Homer>twb: Internode's mirror isn't listed on Debian's page, though. If this were openSUSE, I'd be told not to use Internode:
03:25<twb>It's not on Debian's page because it's a private, tertiary mirror.
03:25<Homer>twb: just checking before I do anything. sorry for buggy questions
03:25<twb>SuSE are evil non-Free-hugging clowns.
03:25<Homer>twb: does that mean it's not necessarily a reliable mirror and my packaging might stuff up?
03:25<chump_>virtualbox seems to choppy
03:25<twb>Homer: theoretically.
03:25<Homer>twb: actually, the SUSE people were rather disapproving of my attempts to use a proprietary ATI driver
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03:26<ameyer>but SuSE bent over for a certain small and flaccid convicted monopolist software company from redmond washington
03:27<twb>Aren't they also wholly owned and controlled by Novell?
03:27<ameyer>something like that
03:27<chump_>Novell sucks
03:27<twb>Sounds evil to me
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03:27<twb>And they use rpm, which is icky as all hell
03:28<Homer>I also busted kdeinit when I uninstalled a video player in PCLinuxOS, too.. A friend of mine always said that RPM was evil and that DEB was better. I hope DEB won't allow such things
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03:28<chump_>man my first experience with linux was slackware 9 i think, it was like 13 dependencies deep and felt like killing my self
03:29<twb>Really, Debian fails to suck because it has a strict Policy manual and packages that violate it are officially Naughty.
03:29<twb>The dpkg, apt &c tools just facilitate that.
03:29<twb>...that's my view, anyway.
03:30<Homer>maybe I should download official DVDs from Internode's mirror then use officially-listed mirrors of repositories thereafter? that'd be safest?
03:30<twb>Ubuntu doesn't adhere to the policy manual, and in some of the packages they didn't inherit from Debian you can see Suckage that nobody is bothering to fix.
03:30<twb>Homer: I really doubt the internode mirrors are in any way broken
03:31<Homer>twb: I just don't want it to come to somebody in IRC saying "you're not using an official mirror, so that's why your system is now broken", for example :-)
03:31<twb>Homer: if you want, you can always add BOTH internode and mirrors, with internode first. Then it will pull from internode if it can, and debian if it can't.
03:32<Homer>Does anybody know if KDE is on the first Debian CD?
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03:32<twb>I've had lots of problems with the primary au mirror,, in the past -- it's planetmirror, and seems to give redirects that apt can't understand because I'm not a paying "subscriber" and there are "too many" people downloading.
03:32<twb>Homer: does it matter?
03:33<Homer>twb: probably not. I'll just get first CD, using Internode's mirror, and see how I go :-)
03:33<Homer>twb: I'm only looking for now, and have the spare partitions to check out Linux. I can always keep using XP if all else fails
03:34<ant_>Homer: why not a netinstall and then download as you install packages?
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03:34<twb>ant_: indeed, I suggested that initially
03:34<twb>19:21 <twb> Homer: if you want to minimize overall downloads, get the mini.iso, BBC or netinst ISO.
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03:34<Homer>I've never done a netinstall before. Somehow I feel safer getting at least one CD and going from there... Is it a live CD tester/installer like all the other distros?
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03:35<Homer>then I can give copies of that CD to my brother
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03:35<ant_>no, its a ~100mb install cd that just downloads stuff from the net. It means you only download what you install, rather than having to download loads of cd's to find you only use half of them
03:35<twb>Homer: the Debian CD is not a live CD.
03:35<twb>a=amd64; wget$a/current/images/netboot/gtk/mini.iso
03:36<twb>That's 13MB
03:36<ant_>wow - certainly have got smaller...
03:36<twb>ant_: no, it just has less stuff
03:36<twb>ant_: particularly, all the .udebs it downloads on demand
03:36<ant_>Homer: theres always
03:37<twb>The non-GTK installer (../mini.iso) is 6MB
03:37<ant_>twb: thats incredible... I am not sure I own anything too small to fit that on
03:37<twb>Homer: if you're doing the install on a system that has a NIC, there's really no point downloading the whole CD.
03:38<Homer>getting mini.iso now. may as well give it a shot
03:38<twb>ant_: please understand that mini.iso doesn't change the minimum hardware requirements -- a base install will still consume hundreds of MB
03:38<twb>...of the hard disk, I mean
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03:39<Homer>I have a 10GB partition free for / and 30GB free for /home
03:39<Homer>and 4GB for swap
03:39<Homer>my god. mini.iso is down already
03:40<twb>It sure is annoying to do network installs of CentOS, though -- instead of lots of little on-demand .udebs, they have a single *EIGHTY MEGABYTE* cramfs.
03:40<twb>Homer: that's the point
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03:40<ant_>twb: I understand that
03:40<twb>ant_: OK, I must have misparsed
03:41<Homer>mini.iso will let me use Internode's mirror to download packages? Shoudl I write down some special location for it first assuming Internode's not listed by default?
03:41<ant_>was thinking that the smalles usb key I have is 16 or 32mb - and I have no floppies...
03:41<twb>Homer: yes.
03:41<ant_>Homer: you can type in the address when it asks you what mirror to use
03:41<twb>It will prompt for a repository; choose "enter information manually"
03:41<kmap_lab>Homer: While selecting the mirror, in the list, scroll up to the top, and choose "enter manually" or the like
03:41<kmap_lab>Ah, twb said it.
03:42<Homer>and enter "/pub/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/" perhaps?
03:42<twb>Ew, no
03:42<twb> and /pub/debian
03:42<Homer>and it'll know where to find the amd64 packages below that? It won't go getting ancient i386 packages or anything?
03:43<twb>Note that it will still use (metered) unless you choose "expert install" and override the security mirror.
03:43<twb>Homer: correct.
03:43<Homer>I think I can afford the quota to get default security stuff
03:43<twb>apt is not as retarded as yum and urpmi
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03:43<twb>Homer: right, the downloads are minimal
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03:43<Homer>I'll reboot now and give it a go. It'll let me specify a manual DNS? The DNS inside my Billion router is crap
03:44<twb>I don't know.
03:44<kmap_lab>twb: BTW, in the daily builds, it asks if you want to do the security uploads. :-)
03:44<twb>kmap_lab: that's probably a bug :P
03:44<kmap_lab>Homer: Choose to configure network manually
03:44<Homer>kmap_lab: thanks. rebooting now. thanks everybody
03:44<kmap_lab>twb: No. It's needed. I wanted that feature
03:44<twb>You can probably just do Ctrl+Alt+f2 and press RET and overwrite the /etc/resolv.conf
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03:44<twb>kmap_lab: you can preseed that setting away, even in Etch
03:45<kmap_lab>twb: We are in a place with a mirror inside, and a HTTP proxy which uses ntlm auth...
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03:45<kmap_lab>twb: So, we usually let the security.d.o request die, and continue with the install
03:45<twb>kmap_lab: ew, evil
03:45<kmap_lab>twb: Could you please point me to the preseed details?
03:45<twb>One moment
03:46<twb>The reference in install-guide-amd64's Appendix B
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03:47<kmap_lab>twb: Right. Reading it up. Thanks
03:47<sheldonh>beryl/compiz would be awesome if they just had a complete kwin clone as a decorator
03:47<twb>d-i apt-setup/security_host string
03:47<sheldonh>all i really want is the gl rendering, to work around shocking 2d performance :)
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03:47<sheldonh>ho hum
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03:47<twb>Leaving it empty will prevent security updates
03:47<twb>You can also put a different URL
03:47<Le_Vert>any aptitutde wizard here ?
03:47<twb>Le_Vert: yes, next question
03:47<Le_Vert>I have a problem on a sarge box
03:47<kmap_lab>twb: Ah! It's so simple!
03:48<Le_Vert>aptitude dist-upgrade
03:48<Le_Vert>want's to remove mysql*4.1
03:48<twb>kmap_lab: I highly recommend pestering cjwatson on #debian-boot
03:48<Le_Vert>and replace it with mysql 4.0
03:48<Le_Vert>I don't understand why
03:48<streuner>Le_Vert: did you read release notes?
03:48<Le_Vert>sarge releases notes ?
03:48<twb>Le_Vert: that's not supported, and I know for a fact that downgrading mysql BREAKS EVERTHING
03:48<streuner>nah, etch, of course :-)
03:48<Le_Vert>it's a sarge box
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03:48<kmap_lab>twb: Oh, you do? What for? I'll do the needful...
03:49<Le_Vert>I don't want to upgrade it to etch
03:49<twb>Well, I was doing it on Etch.
03:49<Le_Vert>it's still on sarge
03:49<Le_Vert>and I don't want to downgrade mysql neither
03:49<twb>But I doubt mysql is gonna suck any less (at downgrading, or otherwise) on Sarge.
03:49<streuner>yes, but dist-upgrade suggest it would be a upgrade to etch
03:49<Le_Vert>just want to understand why aptitude want to replace mysql4.1 with mysql4.0
03:49<Le_Vert>and how to disable this stupid behavior
03:49<twb>Oh, aptitude *wants* to
03:49<twb>I thought *you* wanted to
03:50<Le_Vert>no aptitude does want it
03:50<Le_Vert>I don't ;)
03:50<twb>Hmm, bleh
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03:50<twb>pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list and apt.conf (if it exists).
03:51<Le_Vert>no specific apt.conf and plain sarge sources.list
03:51<Le_Vert>official mirror plus security
03:51<twb>You need to change sources.list prior to dist-upgrading, I believe
03:51<dpkg>dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch>
03:51<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
03:51<twb>See those releasenotes, too
03:52<Le_Vert>yes but i don't want to upgrade to etch
03:52<Le_Vert>really :p
03:52<twb>Then don't use dist-upgrade
03:52<Le_Vert>I just want to use aptitude on this box
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03:52<Le_Vert>where ppl used to play with apt-get
03:52<hachi>hi, anyone know how to build module sources against the currently running debian kernel? in particular I'm trying to get lirc modules compiled
03:52<hachi>m-a isn't working, the build process dies
03:53<twb>hachi: did you look in the BTS to see if lirc-source (or whatever the package is called) is busted against your current kernel?
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03:53<twb>hachi: does m-a give a meaningful error?
03:53<hachi>m-a gives me the whole 'make' output
03:53<hachi>so... yes
03:53<hachi>useful in some sense
03:53<twb>hachi: if you can dump it to a file, please pastebin it
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03:57<chump_>anyone know of something useful i can set up for fun tonight?
03:58<@weasel>chump_: kerberos?
03:58<chump_>what is that for sir?
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03:59<twb>It's a way for hosts to tell if other hosts are who they claim to be
03:59<@weasel>google knows
03:59<twb>!tell chump_ -about kerberos
03:59<@weasel>s/hosts/principals/ and it's more correct
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03:59<twb>Always people have to make up new words :-(
04:00<@weasel>there's a difference.
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04:00<chump_>hmmm well doesn't seem like it would be very helpful for me
04:00<twb>hachi: line 186, drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h: No such file or directory
04:01[~]hachi shrugs
04:01<chump_>ohhhh ii just thuoght of noe i dno't have wpa supprot
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04:01<twb>hachi: apt-file doesn't know about this file
04:01<hachi>that's a kernel source file!
04:01<twb>Indeed it is
04:01<twb>Perhaps upstream kernel changes need to be accommodated by a new lirc-sources release
04:01<hachi>still, shouldn't that have been in the linux-headers package?
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04:03<hachi>newer package in experimental
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04:04<twb>hachi: you'll see it doesn't build with 2.6.23 or 2.6.21 either
04:04<hachi>how wonderful
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04:05<hachi>maybe I can just disable the bttv parts, cause I don't care about them
04:05<twb>You could try the patch
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04:06<twb>Hmm, the patch fixes something different
04:06<hachi>could, but I'm still getting to the bug reports... tasking my cpu with something now
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04:07<hachi> changed their template... I just can't see the bug reports now XD
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04:07<hachi>upper right corner now
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04:08<pmidas>happy new year to al
04:08<twb>hachi: You mean ?
04:09<hachi>I just couldn't see it
04:09<hachi>last time I saw those pages the bug reports were on the left
04:10<twb>The requested URL /pkgreport.cgi was not found on this server.
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04:10<twb>Oh, b.d.o
04:10<twb>You said qa.
04:10<hachi>no, I pasted you the wrong things just now
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04:11<hachi>man, I'm crossing things
04:11<twb>20:03 <twb> hachi:
04:11<twb>Oooooh, *that*
04:11<hachi>yes, I know what I said
04:11<hachi>or you said
04:11<hachi>brain going 30 different ways now
04:11<twb>I don't think I ever type that URL manually
04:11<chump_>how can i get my 3945abg to support wpa debian lenny
04:11<twb>I always follow the link from packages.d.o or qa.d.o
04:11<hachi>me too
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04:12<twb>That page uses tables for alignment, graah
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04:12<twb> <-- unreadable, graah
04:12<hachi>they changed it somewhate recently too
04:13<twb>Stupid sidescroll-encumbering, copy-breaking table alignment, graah.
04:13<sheldonh>in sid, linux-image-2.6-686 depends on linux-image-2.6.22-3-686, but sid has linux-image-2.6.23-1-686. is this just buildd lag?
04:13<twb>I heard buildd was broken for i386
04:14<hachi>yeah, 2.6.23-1 has been in there since like... december 7th
04:14<sheldonh>chump_: i found ipw3945 support in lenny buggy as hell. upgraded to sid, using iwlwifi instead of ipw3945, and am happy as a shig in pit
04:14<hachi>if memory serves
04:14<sheldonh>cool, so i just remove linux-image-2.6-686 and keep an eye out for new linux-image versions
04:14<twb>sheldonh: that's a slander against pigs
04:14<sheldonh>twb: shigs, you mean ;)
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04:20<chump_>hmm how hard is it to set up a LTSP?
04:20<chump_>or LTS?
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05:19<Kebianizao>could anyone explain on the differences on line 11-12 and 198
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05:24<twb>Kebianizao: what are we looking at?
05:24<Kebianizao>sorry, twb schroot -c sid32 -i --debug=notice
05:25<twb>Oh, it's something like OpenVZ?
05:25<kmap_lab>twb: It's a wrapper to enter a chroot.
05:26<Kebianizao>it's told to be like dchroot but better
05:26<twb>I'm not familiar with it, sorry
05:26<Kebianizao>I'm trying to get my 32bit chroot working
05:26<Kebianizao>twb: it's ok thanks :)
05:26<twb>FWIW I never bother with 32-bit chroots; everything Just Works with ia32-libs
05:27<lupine_85>not /quite/ everything
05:27<Kebianizao>twb: really? what about installing a i386 deb
05:27<twb>Everything *I* need, I mean
05:27<lupine_85>but add getlibs and you can usually get everything fine
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05:27<lupine_85>Kebianizao: --force-architecture, of course :p
05:27<twb>Kebianizao: that's not supported, but somebody said --force-architecture is evil and works
05:27<dpkg>it has been said that multiarch is and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64.
05:28<twb>lupine_85: getlibs?
05:28<Kebianizao>oh, I see, I've already read something about that, but since it's not being working very well for me I thought in a chroot
05:28<Kebianizao>yes, lupine_85:?
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05:29<lupine_85>twb: it's a script that checks what 32-bit libraries a binary needs, then drags them down from the relevant place and installs them for you
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05:30<Kebianizao>lupine_85: how do you install 32bit libs into a 64bit system?
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05:30<Kebianizao>I mean, properly
05:30<lupine_85>by putting them in /lib32
05:30<twb>lupine_85: it doesn't seem to be in sid
05:30<lupine_85>no, it's not packaged
05:30<twb>not packaged = abomination
05:30<lupine_85>and the libs it installs aren't package-maintained either
05:30<Kebianizao>lupine_85: should we trust that?
05:30<Kebianizao>twb: yeah ;)
05:30<lupine_85>well, it's your choice
05:31<twb>Thou shalt not suffer an upstream to live
05:31<lupine_85>I'm running x86_32 these days
05:31<Kebianizao>lupine_85: so I could consider that evil as well :P
05:31<Kebianizao>err, looks like an *buntu thingie
05:31[~]Kebianizao trembs
05:32<twb>ubuntu = cowboys
05:32<lupine_85>oh, it's definitely a cowboy way of doing it
05:32<lupine_85>but extend apt to support multiarch and it'd be an awesome application
05:33<twb>Does this script use --force-architecture, or does it just hard-bork your system with curl | tar -C /usr -zx ?
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05:33<lupine_85>the latter, I think
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05:34<Kebianizao>BTW, I'm not currently quite happy with ia32-libs, it's tricky having ~80MB libs into a single package just in case
05:34<Kebianizao>a better method should be invented
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05:35<twb>ia32-libs is a hack
05:35<Kebianizao>I'm still looking at the getlibs thing, but even with that I'll need a 32bit chroot, I need to build some packages for 32 bits
05:35<Kebianizao>twb: agreed
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05:37<Kebianizao>what I need is something that mounts real system /tmp and /home into the chroot automatically, I thought about schroot, but I think it's not yet there
05:37<Kebianizao>anyone running chroots could help me with this?
05:38<lupine_85>Kebianizao: dchroot? Or a 3-line script?
05:38<Kebianizao>funny about getlibs is that its home page is an ubuntu forum thread
05:38<Kebianizao>lupine_85: I would like to be handled in a smart way, i.e. umounting on exit
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05:39<Kebianizao>lupine_85: and /tmp and /home are just problems I've seen by now, maybe I'll find more later
05:39<Kebianizao>also take into account that it should be something a regular user should be able to execute, so a script would be configuring sudo or the like
05:40<Kebianizao>schroot is almost that, but maybe I don't know yet how to use it properly
05:40[~]ant_ has a schroot at home working fine
05:41<ant_>I have a script in /usr/bin that you can link to and each link spawnes a schrooted app to launch. The only problem is unmounts of the schroots never worked properly, so you end up with some extra moutns after a while
05:41<ant_>also, the schrooted apps can only see inside the schroot
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05:43<buffoon_work>I would like to use a e-mail to configure certain files like add a line to it. So if i send a e-mail to a certain address with the line "add e-mail" it should add the line " OK" to the /etc/postfix/relay_recipients and call postmap
05:43<buffoon_work>do you have some suggestions for that?
05:43<Kebianizao>ant_: I've seen that, but there you don't have an explanation on how mounting addition fs on the chroot (/tmp and /home)
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05:44<Kebianizao>ant_: lso if you look at my first lines of the day, it looks like schroot is not parsing config options coprrectly
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05:45<ant_>Kebianizao, look just above, theres some example fstab lines
05:45<Kebianizao>ant_: that's what I have now, but I was looking for a smarter way
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05:45<Kebianizao>that's why I came here :)
05:45<ant_>fstab will mount them as a chroot binding - afaik thats the best way
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05:46<Kebianizao>ant_: you need to hard code the chroot path, so if you have 2 or three you'll need plenty of lines
05:46<ant_>schroot then sets up the rest thats needed in a chroot for things to work nicely. I can't think of a better method really (other than multiarch)
05:46<Kebianizao>at least 2 per chroot
05:47<Kebianizao>ant_: ok, thanks, looks like I've done the best I could
05:47<ant_>only for each chroot - how many chroots do you need? You only have to remount phyiscal devices
05:47<ant_>you could possibly set up the chroot to run a script on login to mount some more, but that seems nastier
05:47<Kebianizao>ant_: maybe I should write a schroot init script
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05:48<Kebianizao>so that schroot will run it on every call
05:48<ant_>schroot can run scripts for you, so you would just have to write it
05:48<Kebianizao>ant_: right! ;)
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05:48<ant_>for me that would not be any neater, but could work for you
05:49<ant_>I only have one chroot, so only a few lines to add the the fstab
05:49<ant_>the schroot launch script they give is clever too (exec schroot -p -c sid32 -q -- "`basename $0`" "$@"). Any link you create to a file with that contents will try to run that command within the chroot
05:50<Kebianizao>good, but did you know that if you bind mount and remove the chroot what's bind/mounted is also removed? ;)
05:51<Kebianizao>I wanted to protect from my sillyness :P
05:51<ant_>depends how silly you are - anything you delete in the chroot will really be gone!
05:52<ant_>the only solution is to mount it again as read only...
05:52<Kebianizao>I don't trust me ;)
05:52<Kebianizao>it would be hard to work on that
05:52<ant_>indeed - but if you dont trust yourself then you should be more worried about backups
05:53<ant_>anyway, mounting in the chroot (with a script etc) will still let you delete the contents of the mount. not sure about from outside the chroot, quite possibly
05:53<Kebianizao>I've never given priority enough to that topic, yet I tried, this is most like 99% people I think :S
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05:54<ant_>I am sure most people dont backup properly - I only do because of the number of times I have deleted entire filesystems, had disks die, had viruses delete things, etc
05:54<Kebianizao>ant_: yes but If I execute anything from the chroot and once execute it exits chroot immediately then there won't be any danger
05:55<ant_>ok - but why would you be doing rm -rf /var/chroot/ ?
05:55<Kebianizao>I won't once I have it working, but if I have any problem I would probably be tempted to delete everything and start over
05:56<Kebianizao>but TBH, I don't think I'll do that knowing the effects
05:56<ant_>well - best be careful with commands as root
05:57<Kebianizao>BTW, one more thing I also want a native experimental chroot, but I don't want to install same things twice on my system, how could I make that chroot only contains things not existing already in the real system?
05:57<Kebianizao>in case this is possible at all
05:57<ant_>you can probably do it with UnionFS, but its probably easier to just create a new chroot for playing in.
05:58<sheldonh>Kebianizao: unless your time is very cheap, more disk space will work out best
05:58<Kebianizao>indeed what I want is trying the new kde4, but I don't want to install xorg again
05:59<Kebianizao>sheldonh: time vs money, same old topic ;)
05:59<ant_>does kde4 need a new version of xorg?
05:59<Kebianizao>sheldonh: most of the time is not only about time, but knowing if that's possible, learning and reporting back
05:59<Kebianizao>ant_: no, the same, so I don't want it twice
06:00<ant_>so why install it in a chroot? just install kde 4 on the main install?
06:00<lupine_85>Kebianizao: lvm snapshots ftw
06:00<Kebianizao>ant_: well, new kde4 will overwrite kde3 installation, so it's not coinstallable
06:00<Kebianizao>and I don't trust kde4 enough to use it everyday
06:01<lupine_85>it's a bit crap at the moment :p
06:01<sheldonh>i have serius ants in my pants about kde4
06:01<Kebianizao>well, It'll be great, but the more testing the better, you know?
06:01<lupine_85>mostly due to the new taskbar & desktop (plasma?). dump that and run kicker, and it's all good
06:01<ant_>Kebianizao, why not install it, test it and report bugs?
06:02<Kebianizao>ant_: becuase I want to be able to return to kde3 (aka usable system) and installing kde4 won't make that possible
06:02<ant_>only if kde4 is broken - and you should be able to downgrade back to kde3
06:03<Kebianizao>ant_: I can downgrade, well, it is supposed to be able, but experimental is called like that for any reason
06:03<sheldonh>lupine_85: hence, it's remarkable absence from my laptop :)
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06:08<Homer>Hello. I've just done a fresh Debian install from using the amd64 mini.iso, all went well, didn't complain about anything during install, then, after boot, I get the following nasty error messages (I wrote down onto a piece of paper then typed up):
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06:09<cosa>Anyone alive?
06:09<Homer>me but I'm a newb so I can't help you :-)
06:10<Kebianizao>Homer: the root device specified on the boot cmdline is not available there
06:10<Kebianizao>!tell cosa about ask
06:10<Alam_Debian>Homer, ls /dev/sd* /dev/hd*
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06:10<Homer>Kebianizao: Debian seemed to format and install packages onto /dev/sda6 quite nicely during install (unless it was faking it)
06:11<Homer>Alam_Debian: I'm back in Windows because my network instatall just left me at an (initramfs) prompt and a flashing cursor
06:11<Kebianizao>maybe any driver is not loaded
06:11<Kebianizao>did you use lvm or dm_crypt?
06:11<Homer>nope. normal drivers
06:11<Homer>I have /dev/sda6 10GB ext3 for "/", /dev/sda7 30GB ext3 for "/home" and /dev/sda1 4GB for swap
06:12<Kebianizao>are you sure you didn't used lvm?
06:12<Homer>My /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 (from memory) are Windows partitions.
06:12<Kebianizao>what debian did you install?
06:12<Homer>Kebianizao: nope. I didn't use lvm. I chose manual and then chose my existing ext3 and swap partitions from previous linux distro evaluations and told it to format them and specified mount points as above
06:12<Homer>I used the mini.iso for the amd64 from current
06:13<Kebianizao>Homer: do you have a link?
06:13<Homer>hang on. let me connect to the FTP site and paste link to the one I downloaded
06:13<cosa>Okay, stupid question.
06:13<cosa>I get no ansi in ANY of my terms in X when using epic or bitchx
06:13<cosa>how might i fix this?
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06:14<petemc>no ansi?
06:14<Kebianizao>cosa: ansi?
06:14<petemc>no colours, you mean?
06:14<cosa>no ansi chars
06:14<cosa>color is fine
06:15<cosa>ive tried different fonts, i've searched/read everything on the web
06:15<cosa>can't fix it
06:15<cosa>pulling hair out now.
06:15<Kebianizao>cosa: install console-setup-mini
06:16<cosa>Kebianizao: in the package mgr?
06:16<Kebianizao>cosa: aptitude install console-setup-mini
06:16<Kebianizao>cosa: as you prefer
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06:17<Kebianizao>Homer: there's something wrong anywhere, that's for sure, but I can't tell you where exaclty
06:17<Kebianizao>the best bet would be into that shell and check somethings
06:17<cosa>Kebianizao: serveral errors.
06:17<Kebianizao>Homer: would you be able to get there and here at once?
06:18<Kebianizao>cosa: paste them please
06:18<Kebianizao>!tell cosa about paste
06:18<cosa>can't paste, im not irc'ing from the linux box.. but i'll type the jist.
06:18<Homer>Since Dec 26 I've evaluated PCLinuxOS, openSUSE, Linux Mint, Simply MEPIS 7 64-bit, and Kubuntu 7.10 nd they all were able to use /dev/sda6 fine... but thanks for looking into it anyway
06:18<Homer>Kebianizao: nope, same machine, sorry
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06:19<cosa>e-Flex__: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temp unavail)
06:19<Homer>I also tried the Linux (single-user) boot option in GRUB, same deal
06:19<cosa>not eflex.
06:19<Kebianizao>cosa: you need to be root
06:19<cosa>i am root
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06:19<cosa>im in root term.
06:19<Kebianizao>cosa: then there's another package manager being executed somewhere
06:19<BBoyDanny>cosa® ps aux|grep dpkg
06:20<BBoyDanny>then kill -9 <process id>
06:20<cosa>Kebianizao: lol danke. it was in another workspace.
06:20<cosa>its installing now :P
06:20<twb>BBoyDanny: pgrep!
06:20<Kebianizao>Homer: then try again and note this things: cat /proc/cmdline
06:20<BBoyDanny>pgrep? :O
06:20<Kebianizao>Homer: cat /proc/modules
06:20<BBoyDanny>what's that?
06:20<twb>BBoyDanny: guess
06:21<Kebianizao>Homer: and ls -l /dev/sda*
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06:21<Homer>OK. thanks. I'll reboot and give that a go and write down what I see
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06:21<cosa>Kebianizao: installed. now what?
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06:22<Kebianizao>cosa: then it should work, otherwise execute setupcon on the console as root
06:24<cosa>not workin =\
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06:25<cosa>how the hell do i drop out of x to a plain text based console as well (i'm just getting back into *nix after over ten years - i never even ran x then.)
06:25<Maulkin>Seems cosa ctrl+alt+F1
06:27<cosa>Maulkin: ty.
06:28<Maulkin>cosa: Please don't message me, and you do alt+F7 to go back to X
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06:28<cosa>lol. kthx.
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06:30<Kebianizao>growisofs has hanged, I got a backtrace but not very useful, I then build the -dbg package for dvd+rw-tools and tried again the backtrace but gdb can't find the debugging symbols
06:30<Kebianizao>where could be the problem?
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06:31<Kebianizao>dbg package file list:
06:31<cosa>Kebianizao: okay, ran setupcon, still no ansi chars in X or text console
06:31<Kebianizao>cosa: so the problem is that you don't have a text console, right?
06:32<Kebianizao>cosa: you misexplained before, I understood you didn't have a correct text fonts in the test console
06:32<Kebianizao>that looks like a video driver issue, which video card do you have?
06:32<cosa>old ati rage 128 pro
06:32<cosa>its jurassic
06:33<cosa>but it used to display ansi on redhat back in the day
06:33<cosa>so i dont think its the card.
06:33<Kebianizao>cosa: do you see text on booting?
06:33<Kebianizao>and when do you stop seeing it, when Xorg boots?
06:34<Kebianizao>do you use framebuffer or bootsplash in the text mode?
06:34<Kebianizao>cosa: also paste your xorg.conf
06:34<cosa>sec let me irc from that box here
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06:36<cosa>I can paste it all here?
06:36<cosa>bots aren't gonna kick?
06:36<Kebianizao>!tell cosa about paster
06:37<cosa>or do you want a specifc section pasted
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06:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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06:40[~]Kebianizao looks into his cristal ball for the paste link
06:40<Homer>Kebianizao: cat /proc/cmdline showd: root=/dev/sda6 ro
06:40<sep>cosaX, now... if you want anyone to look at it you might want to tell us the link
06:40<Homer>Kebianizao: ls -l /dev/sda* showed: ls: /dev/sda*: No such file or directory
06:40<Kebianizao>cosaX: ball cloudy today, sorry
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06:41<Homer>Kebianizao: before I go typing up the big list from cat /proc/modules, is there anything in particular you're looking for?
06:41<cosa>sep: if i knew the link, i would tell you.
06:41<cosa>it just returned me to the form.
06:41<Kebianizao>Homer: there you have it, sda6 doesn't exist, try: ls -l /dev/hda*
06:41<`cle>copy and paste the returned page url here
06:41<Kebianizao>cosa: :D do you have a, address url?
06:42<cosa>it returned to index.php.
06:42<Homer>Kebianizao: but all the partitions were sda-something during the Debian installer. I don't get it.
06:43<Kebianizao>Homer: it could be that the installer and the system runs 2 different kernels that make such a difference
06:43<Homer>Kebianizao: I'm using a Seagate 500GB SATAII drive
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06:43<Kebianizao>Homer: either any module is missing or the devices are misnamed
06:43<cosa>i think the one on the debian site is broken.
06:43<Homer>Kebianizao: when you say "any module" do you mean something specifically or a module actually called "any"?
06:44<Kebianizao>Homer: no, a module called whatever, where whatever could be whatever name ;)
06:45<Homer>of the modules it showed, ones that seem relevant to me were ide_generic, ide_cd, ata_piix, scsi_mod, jmicron, generic, and ide_core
06:45<Homer>Kebianizao: I'll reboot and try ls -l /dev/hda*
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06:46<Kebianizao>Homer: I think there a mismatch between the names possibly
06:46<`cle>is there any service over here at oftc to send msg to user??
06:46<`cle>i mean offline user
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06:46<jm_>you mean like noteserv?
06:47<`cle>is noteserv available here??
06:47<`cle>too bad
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06:49<`cle>no longer available... too bad..
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06:55<Kebianizao>cosa: just a moment
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06:59<Kebianizao>cosa: the ati driver should restore the text terminal on chvt, but I don't know why it's not doing it
06:59<Kebianizao>cosa: gimme some time, I'm a little busy right now
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07:03<Homer>Kebianizao: ls -l /dev/hda* showed nothing either. I then decided to try "acpi=off" at boot-time then saw a heap of hdg? partitions, so tried specifying root=/dev/hdg6 but got into some other scarey non-X shells with error messages (one of them was even red, not the usual white). I might just have to give Debian a miss, I think. Thanks anyway for your help
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07:03<Kebianizao>Homer: do you have the installation log?
07:04<Homer>Kebianizao: nope. where would I have gotten that from?
07:04<Kebianizao>Homer: from the debian installer
07:04<Kebianizao>I'm afraid it's too late
07:04<Homer>I don't recall it ever prompting me to save one
07:04<Kebianizao>I think that's a somewhat hidden option
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07:05<Kebianizao>I can't figure out why the disk is not detected
07:05<Homer>I'll have to appreciate Debian in the form of a down-stream distro, I think, one that's more "automated" and "just works" than the fully-fledged and pure Debian itself
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07:05<Kebianizao>Homer: I've never had a problem with its installer
07:05<Kebianizao>BTW, maybe you could try with a the latest debian installer, but that would lead you to testing or unstable
07:06<Homer>Kebianizao: none of the five other distros I've checked out this past week have had problems saving a system to disk and booting from it. Mandriva wouldn't even start X from the Live CD, so I couldn't even get that going
07:06<Homer>Kebianizao: I wanted to stick to the stable release of Debian
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07:06<Homer>Kebianizao: I'm looking for a stable replacement for XP not something that might require even more tinkering than even this stable Debian seems to want
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07:07<Kebianizao>Homer: would you be able to send and installation report?
07:08<Homer>Kebianizao: I probably could but there are things now that I don't know for certain since I have no installation log, etc
07:08<Kebianizao>I was afraid of that
07:09<Homer>I might do it anyway
07:09<Kebianizao>Homer: I'm reading the release notes in case there's something about that
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07:10<Kebianizao>Homer: is that a laptop and is the hard disk internal?
07:10<Homer>tower system internal hard drive
07:11<Kebianizao>Homer: what would help for real is the full boot log, but that's difficult to get if you don't have two computers
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07:11<Kebianizao>and without having to type some commands
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07:12<Homer>indeed... I have a chicken or the egg problem
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07:13<Kebianizao>I'm sure there's people here that can help you further, but probably not in the conversation
07:13<Kebianizao>Homer: I could help you further, typing on that shell, but I understand it wasn't your aim to do those things
07:13<Homer>well, I appreciate your attempts to help, anyway :-)
07:14<Kebianizao>i'm sure it shouldn't be a difficult problem, and knowing that could help others
07:14<Kebianizao>or maybe it's just solved on more recent versions of debian
07:14<Homer>that mini.iso is fairly recent, though.. I'm sure the date-stamp was January this year on the FTP server
07:14<Homer>and etch isn't that old, is it?
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07:15<Kebianizao>etch was released on May or June last year
07:15<Kebianizao>but that doesn't mean much, its linux kernel was released almost a year aog
07:16<Homer>oh, I see... well, Mint and Ubuntu, being based on Debian testing, are more recent then. no wonder they worked fine
07:16<Kebianizao>Homer: I need to run an already not released linux kernel to get my laptop almost properly
07:16<Kebianizao>Homer: ubuntu was release on October so maybe less that 6 months kernel
07:17<Homer>I'm not keen on Ubuntu anyway because it uses GNOME (which I noticed the Debian installer's idea of "Desktop Environment" is also GNOME, but I would have installed KDE if I got it to boot)
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07:18<Kebianizao>Homer: kubuntu
07:18[~]Kebianizao hides
07:18<Homer>that felt like Ubuntu's unwanted stepchild. it was rather buggy to say the least (no wonder you're hiding!) :-)
07:18<jm_>you can find Etch installer with 2.6.23 kernel too
07:18<Kebianizao>jm_: have you read about Homer's issue?
07:20<jm_>Kebianizao: mostly
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07:20<Kebianizao>why do you think the hard disk device is not found?
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07:21<jm_>Kebianizao: maybe he should use old style PIIX driver, not ata_piix
07:22[~]Homer is using what the installer chose on my behalf :-)
07:22<Kebianizao>and what did the d-i kernel used?
07:23<jm_>must have been ata_piix if it ison sda6
07:23<Homer>I have no idea what the debian installer kernel used. This is where I got the mini.iso:
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07:24<Kebianizao>jm_: then if ata_piix worked on the installer why it's not working on the installed system?
07:24<jm_>Kebianizao: good question :)
07:25<jm_>Homer: but you said your drive is SATA, right?
07:25<Kebianizao>also that
07:25<Homer>anybody that wants a CC of my bug report email is welcome. post email address here now
07:25<Homer>SATA, yes. Seagate 500GB connected to the JMicron controller on my GA-965P-DS3 motherboard
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07:25<Kebianizao>Homer: you will receive a bug number, I'd like to have that
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07:36<cosa>Kebianizao: any ideas on my problem?
07:36<Kebianizao>cosa: not yet
07:37<cosa>i'd hate to have to go with another distro after all the crud i've put into this box.
07:37<cosa>just bc of domething silly like this
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07:38<Homer>Kebianizao: how long does it usually take for it to reply with the bug number?
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07:38<Kebianizao>Homer: 1 hour at most I think
07:38<Homer>if I get it before going to bed I'll paste it into IRC for you
07:38<jm_>heh my bro has GA965-DS3 board at work
07:39<Kebianizao>jm_: it would be even funnier he having the same hard disk :)
07:40<Homer>does your bro run Debian on it?
07:40<jm_>Homer: yup
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07:40<Homer>well, lucky him :-)
07:41<Kebianizao>cosaX: cosa: please follow up on #debian-x
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07:41<jm_>but he used newer kernel than what Etch has to install it
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07:43<Homer>Kebianizao: the bug number is 459588
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07:47<Kebianizao>Homer: thanks a lot for the bug report looks quite complete
07:47<Kebianizao>I'll subscribe to it
07:47<Homer>complete enough, hopefully
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07:48<Kebianizao>cosa: what happen on the text console when you do setupcon as root?
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07:49<whadar>does fstab look for mount.<name of the 3rd column>, or it simply call mount -t <name of 3rd col> ?
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07:50<jm_>Homer: is this with 2.6.18?
07:50<cosa>Kebianizao: i see it loading the fonts when i setupcon -v
07:50<Kebianizao>cosa: but do you see text at all?
07:50<jm_>whadar: fstab doesn't look for anything, it's just a file - mount does
07:50<Kebianizao>cosa: could you upload a screenshot/photo anywhere?
07:51<cosa>give me like 5 min
07:51<cosa>how do i screenshot in text console
07:52<whadar>jm_: oh right...
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07:53<jm_>script or ttyrec or use cat /dev/vcsX > screenshot
07:53<whadar>if I will create mount.custom under /sbin, I will be able to do mount -t custom/mount using fstab while 3rd column is "custom"?
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07:55<jm_>hmm no idea, try it
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07:57<Kebianizao>jm_: where to get the d-i with a later kernel?
07:58<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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07:58<Kebianizao>oh, the fine Kenshi :)
08:00<cosa>Kebianizao: the chars in the statusbar that look like ?? should be ansi lines, etc
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08:01<jm_>cosa: are you using UTF8 for console?
08:02<jm_>what does locale charmap say?
08:02<cosa>fucking arabic
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08:05<cosa>what should it be set to?
08:06<jm_>well I don't know, C locale usually works for me - what do you normally use?
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08:13<cosa>well if that looks right
08:13<cosa>then whats the problem?
08:14<jm_>what's your TERM set to?
08:15<jm_>wait, this isn't really console, it's just a tty client in a terminal, right?
08:16<cosa>for this instance im using the terminal on the accessories menu in X
08:16<cosa>i don't see the proper chars in console either
08:16<cosa>so it scream font issue to me?
08:16<jm_>does the font used have ANSI characters in it? try TERM=linux
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08:17<cosa>the font is Terminal
08:17<cosa>i believe it has anis chars.
08:17<cire>What is the correct Partition-id for an windows-readable ntfs partition? (7,86, or 87)
08:17<cosa>sorry. i can't type tonight.
08:17<cosa>this morning, w/e
08:17<cosa>setting TERM=linux didn't help.
08:18<jm_>cire: I use 7
08:18<jm_>cosa: how did you set TERM?
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08:19<cire>jm_: thank you. Did you format it using mkntfs or windows?
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08:19<jm_>cosa: I'd be highly surprised if it has those line drawing chars - see if you can identify which font it is and use xfd with it
08:19<jm_>cire: windows :)
08:19<cire>do you know any problems with mkntfs? Or did you just not trust it?
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08:20<jm_>never actually used it
08:21<cire>okay, thanks
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08:37<dmytro>Hi ppl :) mary christmas !
08:37<Cassandra>hi (for those who remember me if any)
08:37<dmytro>Hi :)
08:37<Cassandra>i've now got an xfce antiX version that is going to drive me crazy if it doesn't explain some stuff
08:38<Cassandra>(but it does seem fast!)
08:38<dmytro>Antix ????
08:38<dmytro>what does it mean ?
08:39<JasonS>thats what i was wondering too
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08:39<Cassandra>type of xfce debian from MEPIS...i'm trying to cut and paste the address
08:39<dmytro>Hmm... Guess it it non ordinary tool
08:40<Cassandra>yes, which is what is driving me nuts!
08:40<Cassandra>put AntiX into google and should come up with a WIKI on it
08:40<Cassandra>(what I'm trying to copy address of)
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08:41<dmytro>I use kde. Nothing else. Maybe blackbox
08:42<twb>I bet you use Linux and GRUB, too.
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08:42<Cassandra>anyway seems to be xfce meets fluvox
08:43<dmytro>I've debian etch
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08:43<Cassandra>well i've got an older machine and I'd figure I'd try this...
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08:44<dmytro>I've got 486 laptop. Run debian etch on it
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08:45<dmytro>have you older ? :)
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08:48<twb>dmytro: I have a Quadra
08:49<twb>I used to use it for voice synthesis
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08:52<dmytro>Quadra ? Is this a window manager ?
08:53<azeem>it's a type of Apple Macintosh computer
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08:53<dmytro>better than debian ?
08:53<azeem>debian is an operating system, not a computer
08:54<azeem>it's probably better than a 486 though, dunno
08:54<dmytro>mac pc is too expensive for me
08:54<azeem>anyway, this is off-topic, this channel is for support
08:54<ant_>nothing is better than debian - debian is the only truly "free" operating systems. Free from contaminants
08:54<azeem>ant_: that's incorrect
08:55<dmytro>i know they're more stable than win
08:55<ant_>azeem, core debian is free - there are nonfree parts if you want them.
08:55<ant_>i cant think of any other OS that segregates free and non free so clearly
08:55<azeem>ant_: how is fedora different?
08:55<azeem>fedora doesn't have non-free
08:55<azeem>makes it less free, eh?
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08:55<twb>Debian contains more non-Free software than Gnuisance.
08:55<ant_>i though it has non free parts in its main repo
08:56<azeem>well, it doesn't
08:56<ant_>oh - i stand corrected then
08:56<twb>Debian has binary kernel blobs in main/ in Etch.
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08:56<dmytro>What are you using for voice synthesis now ?
08:56<twb>dmytro: festival.
08:57<ant_>twb: surely that means it cant be in main
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08:57<twb>ant_: it was decided that shipping Etch was more important than removing support for wireless cards and stuff
08:57<ant_>twb: got any urls? I am curious what is in it...
08:58<twb>ant_: I don't remember, sorry.
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09:00<twb>#383403 ?
09:00<dmytro>For me. I fully satisfied with etch. I use him for home. It is more than enough
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09:01<twb>dmytro: "it", not "him". Debian takes genderless pronouns in English.
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09:04<dmytro>Sorry ...
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09:07<twb>stew: thanks
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09:30<ant_>stew: thanks
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09:36<brif8>Finally got a bootsplash screen going using usplash but what should be top left is half way across the screen and 1/5 of the way down ??? any ideas ?
09:37<cosa>i still have the same problem
09:37<cosa>another 2 hr of reading into it later.
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09:38<cosa>does ANYONE know why i'm not able to see full ANSI chars (lines/blocks/etc) in ANY of my term programs in X, nor can i see them in text console
09:39<cosa>Please help, it's been like 7 hrs of trying to fix this. =[
09:40<ysma>Hi, I installed a Lenny + KDE (kde-core) and I noticed that some KControl modules are not displayed (specifically "Component chooser" and "Monitor & Display" and perhaps others I didn't notice yet)
09:40<ysma>I can run by hand the ones which I know the name (eg. kcmshell componentchooser) but...
09:40<ysma>1) I don't know all names
09:40<ysma>2) I'd rather have everything in KControl as it is intended :)
09:40<ysma>Does anyone have an idea how to fix that?
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09:45<vagamentee>hi all
09:45<vagamentee>any planner user here?
09:46<azeem>vagamentee: likely not, just ask your question
09:47<vagamentee>my html export in gnomeplanner give a different file... anyone knoews why?
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09:54<ysma>Hi, I noticed that on my Lenny + KDE (kde-core) some KControl modules are not displayed (Component chooser, Monitor & Display, and possibly a few others). I can run "by hand" the ones I know the names (eg. kcmshell componentchooser) but I can't find a way to display them in KControl (kcontroledit doesn't help, the modifications I make there are not displayed in KControl). Does anyone have an idea?
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09:56<petemc>ysma: a wild guess, as i dont use kde, but perhaps kde-core wasnt the right meta-package for you
09:58<omer>ysma: right, try 'kdebase' for minimal install or 'kde'
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10:00<ysma>omer: kde-core depends on kde-base (it just adds a few useful packages), and kde is way too much cluttered
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10:02<ysma>the catch is: the modules are installed (I can run them through kcmshell) but not properly "registered" into KControl. That's more of a *default* configuration problem IMHO
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10:07<lrp>hello everyone
10:07<lrp>!debian xen
10:07<lrp>where i can download debian cd1 with xen support ?
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10:11<lrp>123 testing any one here know what i am talking about ? debian with xen in kernel ?
10:12<stew>lrp: i don't know if such a cd exists. xen appears to be on cd4
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10:12<lrp>stew yes , a friend told me that , anyway im going to try again
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10:13<lrp>stew see im installing debian in a suse server with xen (i want to install a virtual server in debian) , im going to research deeper , be rigth back in a few minutes
10:13<ant_>lrp - theres a debian package somewhere containing a debian xen image with a supported kernel for a guest os... you could unpack that
10:14<stew>lrp: you mean suse is going to be the dom0 and debian is going to be a domU?
10:14<lrp>debian is going to be the virtual server
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10:14<lrp>stew debian is going to be the virtual server
10:15<lrp>stew anyway give me 5 minuytes may be i did some step wrong in the wizzard
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10:15<lrp>stew brb
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10:15<stew>lrp: then debian won't even need a kernel, it would be using the kernel of the dom0
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10:19<jMCg>I'm having issues with a fuse mount (curlftpfs, to be exact): when I mount it as root -- the /etc/fstab line looks like this: curlftpfs#user:password@host /backup fuse rw,uid=34,gid=34,noauto 0 0 -- then only root can really see it ---- for others the mount looks like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /backup
10:19<Kebianizao>Hello 'gain
10:19<Kebianizao>does anyone knows what format does reportbug store the bug reports when it has been unable to send it
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10:21<lrp>stew grrr , its the same error
10:22<stew>lrp: what error?
10:22<stew>Kebianizao: it stores the email as text in /tmp
10:22<stew>Kebianizao: mbox
10:22<Kebianizao>ok, thanks
10:22<lrp>the system said , cound not load ... source from device
10:22<stew>lrp: what were you doing, and what was the exact error?
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10:23<lrp>stew wait a sec
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10:24<K|NgGh0sT>Hello, I'm in the midst of creating an LVM but when I go to mount it it doesn't seem to exist but everything else says it goes "vgscan, lvdisplay etc.." is the log, but in lvdisplay it does say LV Status NOT available
10:24<cosa>does ANYONE know why i'm not able to see full ANSI chars (lines/blocks/etc) in ANY of my term programs in X, nor can i see them in text console
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10:27<Kebianizao>cosa: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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10:27<Kebianizao>select one with utf-8
10:27<whadar>how can I kill all children process from the process I am running (bash script)?
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10:30<whadar>as non root... :)
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10:31<lrp>stew im back
10:32<stew>K|NgGh0sT: do you need to "vgchange -a y" ?
10:32<stew>cosa: what happens when you try to display line drawing characters in /usr/bin/xterm ?
10:32<lrp>stew , error extracting from kernel in installation source
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10:32<stew>lrp: why are you installing a kernel?
10:33<lrp>stew thats what xen said to me
10:33<stew>lrp: where?
10:33<lrp>stew see im in suse server , witch have xen installed ,
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10:33<stew>whadar: running "ps" will get you a list of processes, "kill pid1 pid2 pid3" will send them a TERM signal
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10:33<lrp>stew them i need to install in the xen virtual software , debian as client server
10:34<stew>lrp: if you are running debian inside xen in the suse server, debian is going to be using the suse kernel and won't be running its own kernel
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10:35<lrp>stew , now the trouble where should be ? in the debian cd or there is force to use suse in that xen ?
10:36<stew>lrp: i didn't understand that at all
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10:36<Munkie>Is Xen still in Sid? I haven't seen kernel packages for ages. Does this have to do with the Citrix buyout?
10:37<K|NgGh0sT>stew, that worked. But I think I screwed up my creating of my Lv. For some reason it's 200megs and not whatever is left of my disk space
10:37<lrp>stew , its okay , im still learning english :) , anyway , let me explain all to you , see i have a suse linux server with xen
10:38<stew>Munkie: my understanding was that there aren't xen kernels in sid becuase xen is being merged into the mainline linux sources
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10:38<lrp>stew xen inthat serer is working a virtualization for other server who are runing in background
10:38<Munkie>stew: But I thought that KVM was the new big thing kernel wise...?
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10:39<Munkie>except for people that don't have hardware supported virtualisation of course (like me with my 5 year old CPU)
10:39<lrp>stew but with the diference that they are runing in the same Os , suse , now i m trying to install a new VM with debian
10:39<whadar>stew: thanks
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10:39<lrp>stew better now my friend ?
10:39<whadar>actually, it is a rather ugly workaround for overcoming a bug in curl...
10:40<whadar>the --max-time doesn't work properly
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10:40<drone77>lrp, have you read this ?
10:41<stew>lrp: i understood this part all along. i don't understand why you care about a kernel for debian, since debian will not have the ability to run its own kernel. debian will be running inside the suse kernel that is hosting it
10:41<stew>whadar: file a bug against curl if it isn't working correctly
10:42<lrp>stew my friend is telling me that he does not, because he believe that xen should work with debian if there is a modification in the kernel for the kernel with xen on suse
10:42<whadar>stew: whew... it works, but only for integers... i did -m 0.5
10:42<lrp>drone77, let me check that pal
10:42<whadar>now I use -m 1, which is reasonable also
10:43<stew>lrp: so you need a suse kernel with xen support? or are you looking to replace your suse kernel with a debian one so that the suse server runs a debian kernel instead?
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10:44<lrp>stew , nope , debian must have a compiled kernel to xen , but in my case is not working :(
10:44<stew>lrp: debian doesn't need to have a kernel at all, since it is going to be running under the suse kernel
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10:46<lrp>stew 10 minutes , i will ckeck the official page of xen ;)
10:46<K|NgGh0sT>stew, everytime I boot I have to mod_probe dm_mod anyway to make this happen at boot?
10:46<stew>K|NgGh0sT: is your / partition on lvm?
10:47<K|NgGh0sT>no, but I got the LVM working properally now
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10:47<K|NgGh0sT>er properly
10:48<stew>K|NgGh0sT: you can set dm_mod to load automatically at boot by listing it in /etc/modules
10:48<K|NgGh0sT>alright thanks
10:49<stew>K|NgGh0sT: though i would expect that it would get loaded automatically when vgchange -a y is run by /etc/init.d/lvm2 anyway
10:49<K|NgGh0sT>Now, time to get nvidia installed
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10:50<K|NgGh0sT>Thanks stew for the help
10:50<lrp>stew , does not work in suse , im going to make migration by hand
10:51<lrp>stew , i believe im going to install suse kernel and some sources and from there im going to install dpkg apt and debian kernel
10:51<lrp>stew i believe that is doable no ?
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10:51<Zathras>hi. What is the best way to let apache listen to multiple ports? I want to tunnel http requests through SSH to be handled by a local apache. Port forwarding of port <1024 is a bit tricky though. What is the best solution?
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10:51<cosa> (Kebianizao) cosa: dpkg-reconfigure locales
10:52<cosa>^ did that
10:52<cosa>selected utf8
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10:52<cosa>still no ansi chars.
10:52<cosa>W T F
10:52<Kebianizao>cosa: please, paste the output of "env"
10:52<stew>lrp: installing a debian kernel by hand should be doable. but there is no reason that you should do it. i keep telling you that you don't need debian to have a kernel, since it can't boot a kernel anyway. but you seem to not want to listen to me, so i'll quit trying to convince you of it now
10:53<Kebianizao>cosa: does aptitude shows correctly?
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10:53<stew>cosa: what happens when you try to view ansi line drawing characters in an xterm?
10:53<stew>cosa: and by xterm i mean actually /usr/bin/xterm
10:53<stew>i don't see what this has to do with locales
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10:55<cosa>xterm errors
10:55<stew>xbaez: what error?
10:56<stew>cosa: what error?
10:56<cosa>/usr/bin/xterm errors
10:56<lrp>stew nononnonononono my friend that is not the trouble
10:56<cosa>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
10:56<stew>cosa: are you trying to run xterm as root?
10:56<cosa>ok it runs as root.
10:56<lrp>stew , im listening to you , may be im missunderstanding you or you are missunderstanding me
10:57<cosa>but not as my non root acct
10:57<stew>cosa: are you logged into x as root?
10:57<stew>lrp: perhaps you should find a channel that can help you in your native language then. what is your native language?
10:57<cosa>i'm not
10:57<lrp>stew , spanish
10:57<stew>lrp: try #debian-es
10:57<cosa>im logged into x w/ my normal acct
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10:58<stew>cosa: this makes no sense. can you start other programs as non-root?
10:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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11:00<stew>the kurumin distro must have some irc client that defaults to this channel
11:00<cosa>^ paste of env
11:01[~]cosa has been up for too long with this problem.
11:01<stew>cosa: this is the env where xterm works or doesn't work?
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11:02<cosa>that was from the root term
11:02<Zathras>issue resolved. Thanks. Bye
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11:02<cosa>but the issue is happening in ALL terms
11:02<cosa>even text console
11:03<stew>cosa: does it happen in xterm?
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11:03<cosa>but differently
11:03<stew>cosa: what happens in xterm when you try to display line drawing characters?
11:03<cosa>its slightly different in text console too
11:03<stew>cosa: this is likely to be a font problem
11:03<cosa>stew: they show up as like diamond shaped blocks with ? in the middle
11:03<cosa>stew: thats what i said..
11:03<stew>in an xterm?
11:04<cosa>in xterm they just dont show up
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11:04<cosa>and some garbled ansi color codes are where line drawings should be
11:04<cosa>ascii shows up fine
11:04<cosa>just ansi lines/blocks/art doesn't.
11:04<cosa><- ansi lover.
11:04<cosa>this is not a good situation
11:04<stew>cosa: when you ctrl-right-click in an xterm, is "Line-Drawing Characters" checked or unchecked?
11:05<home>hey i need some help wid btree can anyone suggest some good books?
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11:05<cosa>stew: it is now, lets test it
11:05<home>hey i need some help wid btree can anyone suggest some good books?
11:05<cosa>if this fixes it then you're god.
11:05<home>hey i need some help wid btree can anyone suggest some good books?
11:05<home>hey i need some help wid btree can anyone suggest some good books?
11:05<home>hey i need some help wid btree can anyone suggest some good books?
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11:05<@Ganneff>i suggest getting a brain.
11:05<cosa>didnt fix it
11:06<cosa>home: stfu and stop scrolling
11:06<Maulkin>home: has some. Go look
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11:07<cosa>stew: no dice.
11:07<cosa>doesn't work either checked or unchecked
11:07<stew>cosa: what happens if you run "xterm -fn fixed"
11:09<cosa>same thing
11:09<stew>cosa: how are you trying to display line drawing characaters?
11:10<cosa>it errored when i ran -fn fixed
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11:10<cosa>solemnwarning: missing charsets n string to fontset conversion
11:10<cosa>solemnwarning: unable to load any usable fontset
11:10<stew>cosa: are you running an ncurses application? are you running a whiptail program? are you trying to echo ansi codes?
11:10<cosa>it happens in both bitchx and epic5
11:11<cosa>epic5 + amnesiac is what i'm specifically trying to run.
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11:12<cosa>ok if i putty to it from my windows box
11:12<cosa>and run epic
11:12<cosa>everything runs fine/displays fine
11:12<cosa>(if that helps)
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11:16<stew>cosa: well it seems like you have something wrong with your fonts, but i'm not sure what
11:16<stew>cosa: what version of debian is this?
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11:17<stew>cosa: which one is that?
11:17<Munkie>I have a DivX capable dvd player. Are there tools for Debian that I can use to convert films to DivX or equivalent? I'm a bit new to all this video stuff...
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11:18<Kebianizao>Munkie: sure, k9copy, shrinkta and ogmrip
11:18<stew>Munkie: no, debian doesn't include converters to divx becuase they are protected by patent
11:19<ant_>Munkie, try mencoder. You may need to add a new apt source for debian multimedia, as there are some legal problems around certain codecs
11:19<Kebianizao>well, it was not exactly debian, but the debian-multimedia repo
11:19<cosa>stew: /etc/debian_version says 4.0
11:19<Kebianizao>munga: and also you should substitute divx to xvid which is free
11:20<Kebianizao>cosa: are you on etch then?
11:21<Munkie>Thanks for the help folks. Will go and immerse myslef in the multimedia stuff
11:21<stew>xvid is also not free
11:22<cosa>Kebianizao: yes it appears so
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11:22<Kebianizao>stew: patent free?
11:22<stew>Kebianizao: it is not believed to be patent free
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11:23<Kebianizao>:/ I thought that was the different. xvid has a free implementation?
11:23<Kebianizao>where's the difference?
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11:25<cosa>ugh this is so frustrating.
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11:25<lrp>stew trouble solved , im going to install from iso and with the kernel headers source :)
11:26<stew>Kebianizao: xvid is released under the gpl, however distributing it is violating patents, meaning it is not free software
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11:27<Kebianizao>stew: ok, thanks
11:27<stew>cosa: can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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11:33<cosa>im not ircing from the busted machine
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11:34<stew>cosa: look at all of the warnings at the top. that is your problem
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11:34<stew>well maybe not
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11:34<stew>i guess it did set a font path, but all those old paths don't need to be there
11:35<cosa>how do i rem the old ones
11:36<stew>yeah, but i don't really think they are the problem since it did set a sane font path automatically
11:36<cosa>this is retarded.
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11:42<fatal>hi, I'm using apache2 and mod_vhost_alias to set up mass virtual hosting. This basically means I have the same config for all (virtual) hosts. I've set up the ftp to map virtual users to one real account. Now I'd like to in some way limit php so that different virtual users can't overwrite and preferably not even read (access) other peoples files.... is there any way to chroot php to /www/hosts/<current_domain>/ ?
11:42<mikegrb> 500 (Internal Server Error) Can't connect to http::80 (Bad hostname 'http:')
11:42<mikegrb>apt-cacher :/
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11:48<Kebianizao>mikegrb: where's that?
11:48<mikegrb>command line on client
11:48<mikegrb>when try to do anything
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11:49<Kebianizao>mikegrb: what client?
11:49<mikegrb>aptitude apt-get whatever
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11:50<Kebianizao>mikegrb: could you paste your sources.list?
11:50<mikegrb>it seems that it is talking to apt-cache but for some reason apt-cacher is incorrectly parsing the url
11:50<mikegrb>the sources.list is normal
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11:50<Kebianizao>mikegrb: and also could you write here the full command?
11:50<mikegrb>using Acquire::http::Proxy ""; in the apt config
11:50<mikegrb>the full command?
11:51<mikegrb>'apt-get update'
11:51<Kebianizao>mikegrb: stop the apt-cacher service
11:53<mikegrb>I've tried restarting it
11:53<mikegrb>it definately won't work if it's not running :p
11:53<jthomas>what are some commands to test a CDROM drive?
11:54<JasonS>jthomas: put in a cd and hit play?
11:54<jthomas>at the command line?
11:54<cahoot>wodin prcap?
11:59<spq> i have a problem with apt, it always reinstalls postfix because i have a local mirror which has patched postfix packages and is pinned to Priority 999
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12:02<spq>Package: * / Pin: release o=ConceptT / Pin-Priority: 999
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12:13<Kebianizao>I did a DVD copy bid using k3b, and it got wrong by nearly the end, I'm looking for a way to close the session so I could used the DVD
12:13<Kebianizao>any idea?
12:14<Kebianizao>I've tried this, as per man, but as you can see, no lucj
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12:18<valdyn>Kebianizao: dvd supports resume
12:19<Kebianizao>think so, but lemme check
12:19<valdyn>Kebianizao: automagically
12:19<Kebianizao>valdyn: do you refer to the media or the drive?
12:20<valdyn>Kebianizao: both
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12:20<Kebianizao>may this helps?
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12:21<valdyn>Kebianizao: try burning the same image on the same disk again?
12:21<Kebianizao> <- valdyn
12:21<Kebianizao>I've tried that before and I got another failure but I can try again
12:21<Kebianizao>should I try using k3b again or just bare growisofs?
12:21<valdyn>Kebianizao: just growisofs
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12:22<valdyn>Kebianizao: that bug report has a /dev/hdc: writing lead-out
12:22<valdyn>Kebianizao: obviously you cant resume if it already has a lead-out
12:22<yupeng>anybody using fluxbox?
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12:22<JasonS>yupeng: some do some dont
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12:22<Kebianizao>valdyn: my comment is not there, could I comment archived bugs? the mailer returned me the comment
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12:23<yupeng>do you use fluxbox?
12:23<valdyn>Kebianizao: i guess you can
12:23<valdyn>Kebianizao: just write to the bug address
12:23<Kebianizao>there you can see my comment
12:23<valdyn>Kebianizao: which one is yours?
12:23<Kebianizao>none, but last comment on last is mine
12:24<JasonS>yupeng: try asking your real question
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12:24<valdyn>-Z /dev/scd1 is FUCKED up
12:24<valdyn>oh ops, brain fart
12:24<Kebianizao>valdyn: :O
12:25<Kebianizao>latest paste was about mailer not liking my comment to 344428 bug
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12:25<valdyn>Kebianizao: try growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=file.iso
12:25<Kebianizao>valdyn: well, I did a copy on the fly, so I'd need to get and iso
12:26<Kebianizao>should I?
12:26<valdyn>Kebianizao: probably, its crucial that that iso is 100% identical
12:27<Kebianizao>valdyn: yap, I hope it is, should I dd it, to make it sure?
12:27<Kebianizao>or just use k3b as before?
12:27<valdyn>Kebianizao: no
12:28<valdyn>Kebianizao: i fail to see the error or why growisofs should have had an error when it finished writing without an error
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12:28<Kebianizao>valdyn: that's the problem that growisofs didn't even throw an error, just hanged
12:29<Kebianizao>according to the backtrace I could also blame libc, but I don't think the problem's there
12:29<valdyn>Kebianizao: you want to know where exactly its hanging..
12:30<Kebianizao>well, it could be nice
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12:30<valdyn>Kebianizao: running it with strace would probably tell
12:30<Kebianizao>but according to the BT, in main, isn't it
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12:30<Kebianizao>valdyn: for that I would need another blank DVD to be borked on the process :)
12:31<valdyn>Kebianizao: yea
12:31<valdyn>Kebianizao: try resuming anyway..
12:31<Kebianizao>ok, I'll try that, what do you recommend to get the iso?
12:31<valdyn>Kebianizao: i dont really know
12:32<Kebianizao>I'll try k3b
12:32<valdyn>Kebianizao: doing exactly the same procedure in k3b might just the same trigger a resume
12:32<valdyn>Kebianizao: i dont know how this resuming works exactly, i just observe it
12:32<Kebianizao>lemme get an screenshot from k3b
12:32<Kebianizao>hold on
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12:33<drone77>Kebianizao, to get the ISO - if=/dev/dvd of=DVD.iso ?
12:33<valdyn>Kebianizao: generally you might just aswell have broken dvd drive
12:33<valdyn>Kebianizao: they do not last long
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12:34<Kebianizao>the drive worked some months ago, TBH I haven't use it since then
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12:38<Kebianizao>that's k3b with the bad DVD on scd1(2nd line) and with a new DVD project after having imported the existing session
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12:40<twb>I really hate how imageshack has HTML URLs that end in image extensions.
12:41<Kebianizao>twb: any alternative?
12:41<twb>Yes, forcing idiot users to copy the URL to the image itself, instead of what's in their location bar
12:41<twb>Personally I just run a simple read-only ftpd from my workstation:
12:42<Kebianizao>twb: I took the url imageshack suggested
12:42<Kebianizao>twb: yep, it's easier when you have a server
12:42<twb>Kebianizao: apt-get install vsftpd
12:42<twb>Kebianizao: now you have a server.
12:42[~]cosa shoots debian box.
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12:42<cosa>i'm about five mins away from isntalling fbsd.
12:43<cosa>if i can't fix this crap.
12:43<Kebianizao>twb, no, I would have an additional unconfigured service+ and unconfigured router + dinamical ip ;)
12:43<twb>Kebianizao: apt-get install ez-ipupdate
12:43<Kebianizao>twb: 0.75 of the same
12:43<twb>cosa: IME, installing fbsd doesn't magically fix anything
12:43<Kebianizao>twb: but I'm just lazy about that
12:44<Kebianizao>twb: but we have to reckon it would be funny :)
12:44<twb>drone77: well yes, if you want to do it by hand
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12:46<drone77>was meant to be showing him how to deal with the 'dynamical ip' problem
12:47<drone77>but yeah, same thing
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12:47<Kebianizao>drone77: well, I know + or - about the solutions, but as I told, I was lazy about doing them
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12:50<cosa>twb: you're right. but i bet five bucks i'll be able to see ansi chars properly in it.
12:51<drone77>Kebianizao, hope this reminds you to do them then =]
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12:53<Kebianizao>drone77: I'd expect my router do it for me, but being the crap it is, I doubt it
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12:54<drone77>Kebianizao, mine has an auto-update application for Only good thing about it...
12:54<drone77>(the router that is)
12:55<cdavis>You know when you edit a file and forget to sudo vim and don't have write access, is there a way within vim to sudo save instead of exiting and then sudo vim all over again?
12:56<sep>cdavis, save to a different filename then sudo cp tmpfile orginalfilename
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12:57<Kebianizao>cdavis: sudoedit
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12:57<Kebianizao>drone77: the one at work has it, but it has never being working properly
12:57<zepard>hi people
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13:04<sasha999>hi , could somebody paste me the dpkg command for the mmap ran out of room problem thanks
13:05<drone77>Kebianizao, have to use ez-ipupdate or update it manually then
13:05<stew>sasha999: /msg dpkg mmap
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13:05<stew>sasha999: it ususally means "get rid of sources you don't actually need"
13:06<sasha999>hehe , for sure but i prefer to have all the deb-src for in case of purpose
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13:08<Maulkin>cdavis: there's a vim plugin thing for that
13:09<Maulkin>cdavis: search google for sudo and vim
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13:09<cdavis>Maulkin, thanks
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13:11<Kebianizao>well, could anyone tell me why all communication related to #344428 fails?
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13:12<azeem>Kebianizao: the bug is archived
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13:12<stew>Kebianizao: at the top of that bug, "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made. "
13:12<Kebianizao>azeem: is that the problem
13:12<azeem>"Bug is archived. No further changes may be made."
13:12<Kebianizao>stew: I wanted to reopen it
13:13<azeem>you'd have to unarchive it first
13:13<Kebianizao>well, I was told it could be possible
13:13<xDbr>wich iso image shoul i download for an Amd k6-2?
13:13<Kebianizao>azeem: how do I do that¿
13:13<Kebianizao>xDbr: i386
13:13<stew>Kebianizao: echo "344428 reopen" | mail
13:14<azeem>that's what he tried
13:14<azeem>I guess
13:14<Kebianizao>stew: I've already done that, let me recheck
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13:14<stew>azeem: the DSN he showed was for not
13:14<Kebianizao>but I also did that:
13:15<Kebianizao>> reopen 344428 !
13:15<Kebianizao>Bug number 344428 not found. (Is it archived?)
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13:15<Kebianizao>that's the anwer from control@b.d.o
13:15<stew>Kebianizao: oh, you need to "unarchive 344428"
13:15<Kebianizao>stew: thanks
13:15<viking>whats the compiz channel again?
13:16<Kebianizao>could I do all at once? in the same mail? I mean unarchive, reopen and comment?
13:16<Kebianizao>viking: #compiz-fusion
13:16<esop>dpkg for president!
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13:29<Kebianizao>the answer to my previous question is no: you have to request control@b.d.o first and then do whatever else
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13:33<viking>oh sorry Kebianizao... was off looking at some things. Thanks for the Compiz channel
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13:34<Kebianizao>viking: np :)
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13:45<AlteKiet>I'd like to replace my UW-imap server with Courier or Cyrus. For only two users to connect by IMAP and webmail(IMAP) Which ones do you prefer?
13:45<@weasel>AlteKiet: dovecot
13:45<stew>yeah, dovecot
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13:48<Baader_Meinhof>alguem aki fala portugues?
13:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:58<spq>I have a problem, i have a local debian repo with some patched packages, which is pinned to prio 999 and some pakages are always reinstalled on apt-get upgrade, some outputs:
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13:59<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to install etch r2 from a mirror but I keep getting invalid archive mirror
13:59<bcochofel>From where can I install the netinst?
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14:02<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
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14:09<ammoniac>hi everyone
14:09<ammoniac>I've got some question
14:09<ammoniac>I've just installed the netinst debian,and i wish to get gnome
14:10<ammoniac>but I dont know if I should install gnome or gnome-desktop-environement
14:10<sep>!install gnome
14:10<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
14:11<ammoniac>oh got it
14:11<bcochofel>where can I get a list of the mirrors to choose one that has etch r2?
14:11<ammoniac> I hesitate xD
14:11<bcochofel>I have choose several ones that gave me errors
14:13<ammoniac>ok,I'm gonne try,see ya later!
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14:13<`cle>anybody here have experience in mysql server?
14:13<sep>ammoniac, all official mirrors should have identical content it's why they are called mirrors. generally i'd day would be the place to be, where CC = your iso country code
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14:14<sep>!tell `cle about ask
14:14<lupine_85> is what I use
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14:16<sheldonh>just took the kde4rc2 livecd for a spin. i'm... surprised it's a candidate for release :)
14:16<`cle>i know that rule here.. just if anybody know how to set my mysql server to accept remote administration.. i mean using mysql administrator on other machine
14:17<`cle>coz i dont know why i can't connect to my server
14:18<stew>`cle: is mysql listening on a public ip address? or still just (which is the default)?
14:19<sep>`cle, also read README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*
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14:20<`cle>i just install my mysql.. and i found out from my my.cnf file, bind-address =
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14:21<`cle>is this the place i need to make adjustment?? cause i would like to access my server from LAN, which is behind firewall
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14:21<zepard>hi `cle, installing mysql?
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14:22<debianweaver>hi everybody
14:22<`cle>hi zepard
14:22<`cle>i settle down with my pure-ftpd today..
14:23<`cle>actually the setting was so easy....
14:23<debianweaver>i need some help about k3b
14:23<zepard>`cle, well tell me...
14:23<`cle>too easy actually.. just need to put individual file with the setting as filename inside conf directory
14:24<zepard>`cle, ok i see
14:24<zepard>then what did you put in it
14:24<zepard>the name of the option and th value yes
14:24<`cle>took me half day to find this stupidly easy configuration way
14:25<zepard>not conentional, it's true
14:25<zepard>what was the option then?
14:25<viking>quick newbie question... I thought I was running Fiesta... how do I check?
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14:26<`cle>yeah, just make a file with filename CreateHomeDir
14:26<thecreator>Can anyone tell me how to get the source code of a package with apt-get or something like apt-get?
14:26<`cle>then, put 1 line inside with "yes"
14:26<`cle>that's all
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14:27<stew>`cle: yes, you'd need to change the bind-address, instead of would mean to listen to any ip address. you'll also need to grant access using the grant statement, which you should look up on
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14:27<thecreator>I thought I remembered a way to do this...
14:27<zepard>man of pure-ftpd-wrapper contains the possible options.
14:28<viking>what command do I use to check to see if I am running Gutsy or Fiesta?
14:28<zepard>well, good
14:28<`cle>stew: that's mean i need to bind to just change the config file and restart, then should be ok??
14:28<`cle>yeah.. i learned from that wrapper file too
14:28<stew>`cle: yes
14:28<`cle>haha... really overlook on it
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14:30<viking>in System > About Ubuntu... it says this "Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 7.10
14:30<viking> - the Gutsy Gibbon - released in October 2007." so I would be right to assume I have Gutsy instead of Fiesta, right?
14:30<thecreator>uh... sounds like it
14:30<thecreator>considering it says it in the about...
14:30<viking>k, and Fiesta is the newest right?
14:30<stew>viking: please go to #ubuntu on for questions about ubuntu
14:31<viking>stew: thanks... didn't realize I was in #debian... sorry
14:31<ameyer>Fiesta? lol
14:31<`cle>zepard: and information on vsftpd website stated that proftpd is flawed..
14:31<thecreator>Is there a way to get the source code of a package using apt?
14:32<ameyer>and Gutsy is newer than Feisty
14:32<viking>oh ok... thanks ameyer :)
14:32<stew>thecreator: apt-get source packagename
14:32<stew>thecreator: it will extract it to the current directory
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14:32<`cle>zepard: take a look on this..
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14:32<ameyer>it went dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy, and hardy's currently the development version
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14:36<`cle>stew: it's done.. thanks
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14:39<zepard>`cle, good to know, but it was in 2003, on sid version 1.3.1 is available (etch 1.3.0), what will be interesting is how much did it take to correct that hole.
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14:40<zepard>`cle, I think too that ssl or other stuf is necessary with ftpd's
14:40<zepard>`cle, thx
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14:41<`cle>zepard, np.. just share with u what i found out and why i choosed not to use proftpd.. :)
14:41<metalqga>a quick question, what is your favourite terminal?
14:42<metalqga>looking for a replacement of gnome-terminal
14:42<zepard>`cle, i am trying pure-ftpd now :)
14:42<`cle>:)... good luck..
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14:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:47<JasonS>metalqga: aterm, eterm mostly, but install a couple and try them till you find one you like
14:48<metalqga>trying xterm, and mrxvt
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14:48<metalqga>aterm keeps showing up in ggle .... maybe there is a reason JasonS :D
14:49<JasonS>metalqga: ggle?
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14:53<monra>Hello. I just installed apache, mysql and php5 and phpmyadmin to my etch system. But when trying mysql -u root -p i enter the password and I get the following error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
14:53<monra>does anyvody have any idea why this happens? The same things happends when trying logging from phpmyadmin
14:54<stew>monra: it sounds like you have the wrong password
14:54<ploc>I'm actually installing via net-install and it is blocked at the step "retreiving whiptail", what can I do now ?
14:54<ploc>monra: try whithout space for the password -imypassword
14:54<monra>stew: I'm definetely sure ... it is the pass i gave when installing mysql, tried many times
14:54<stew>ploc: he's not entering the password on the command line
14:55<monra>ploc: yes that worked? But i don't get why. thanks
14:56<sheldonh>can ext2/ext3 volume labels be used in crypttab?
14:56<stew>monra: wait, what exactly was the command that failed?
14:56<monra>stew mysql -u root -p and then i was asked for giving the pass and it failed
14:56<zepard>`cle, mysql vs postgresql?
14:56<`cle>no idea..
14:56<stew>monra: you were typing the wrong password at the prompt then
14:56<stew>monra: you mean "mysql -u root -p" ?
14:57<`cle>all said postgre is better
14:57<monra>stew: yes
14:57<`cle>my i got to stick to mysql coz my old company database was window version of mysql
14:58<`cle>monra: is it ok now?? if not mistaken.. your fresh installation of mysql don't have root password
14:58<`cle>if u put -p, then it won't work
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14:58<zepard>google is using mysql, it is said!
14:58<monra> `cle: yes i saw that
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14:59<`cle>zepard: yeah.. alot of giant company out there using mysql
14:59<`cle>don't know why... as alot of peoples said mysql is flawed
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15:00<viking>how do I kill processes that have frozen?
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15:00<df1amb>viking: killall -KILL processname
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15:00<`cle>monra: if it is a fresh installation, just try mysql -u root
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15:00<`cle>without -p
15:00<stew>`cle: these days a fresh install of mysql-server, one should end up with a root password set
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15:01<ploc>I'm actually installing via net-install and it is blocked at the step "retreiving whiptail", what can I do now ?
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15:01<`cle>stew: i don't know.. coz i just install yesterday.. i still got to set the password myself
15:01<df1amb>stew: you are wrong my mysql was install without using password. I had to change this on my own.
15:02<stew>its asked at priority medium, which i believe is the defualt
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15:02<stew>so if your debconf priority is high you might still end up with no root password. "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0" would then set it. but i believe that medium is the default debconf priority
15:02<`cle>ploc: is it the mirror u use don't have this packages??
15:03<ploc>how can I check that ? I'm using the french mirror...
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15:04<`cle>stew: i don't know.. i just use apt-get then, end up, a fresh installation without root password
15:04<`cle>ploc: why don't u skip that packages and add it later?
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15:05<ploc>how can I skip this package ? ctrl-C ?
15:05<stew>ploc: you don't want to skip that package
15:06<ploc>stew: why ?
15:06<stew>ploc: becauase debconf depends on it
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15:06<`cle>stew, what is whiptail package for?
15:07<ploc>ok, so, what can I do then... I think I'm using for the arm architecture...
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15:07<`cle>stew, is that anyway to choose other mirror while on net-install stage??
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15:08<stew>ploc: you are using
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15:09<ploc>yes, when I said I was in France, the netinstall asked me to choose a mirror close to me, I took the first choice on the list...
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15:09<stew>ploc: and you are installing etch? aka 4.0? on what arch? i386? amd64?
15:11<ploc>stew: etch r2 on arm arch
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15:14<stew>ploc: its not the mirror then, i can download just fine
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15:17<stew>ploc: is it possible that your network connection went down? can you hit "alt-f2" to get to a text console and run "wget -O /dev/null" and see if that works?
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15:21<flash>hi all! I've great problems with the modem on a thinkpad t60
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15:21<`cle>text console available on net-install?? i really don't know.. i never do net-install
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15:23<stew>`cle: yes, alt-f2 gets you to a text console
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15:25<`cle>:).. ic.. i gave up net install last time because everytime failed.. :/
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15:26<`cle>zepard: how's the testing over there??
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15:27<flash600>problem with modem on t60
15:27<flash600>i tried so much...
15:29<flash600>flash@T60:~$ /usr/sbin/slmodemd -c ITALY
15:29<flash600>error: mdm setup: cannot open dev `/dev/slamr0': No such device
15:29<flash600>error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0'
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15:32<grummund>can anyone tell me what is HUSHLOGIN environment variable for pls?
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15:32<azeem>grummund: did you try google?
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15:33<grummund>HUSHLOGIN=FALSE Debian
15:33<hillih>got some wired prob w/ my nvidia card in X. It worket fine in etch w/ the nvidia driver(xorg.conf) but now after after upg to lenny the nvidia drv in xorg.conf don't work, but the nv drv does. And yes nvidia mod is loaded.
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15:34<ammoniac>hi again
15:34<ammoniac>I'm having trouble installing firefox
15:34<ammoniac>because iceweasel isn't updated enough
15:35<ammoniac>or something
15:35<ammoniac>firefox: Dépend: iceweasel (< mais devra être installé
15:35<azeem>ammoniac: install iceweasel directly
15:36<ammoniac>that's what I did
15:36<stew>ammoniac: remove the 'firefox' package, just use iceweasel
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15:36<ammoniac>No way else?
15:37<ammoniac>maybe my sources.list is wrong or something
15:37<azeem>ammoniac: what is the actual problem?
15:37<azeem>ammoniac: firefox got renamed to iceweasel in Debian
15:37<azeem>so install iceweasel instead
15:38<ammoniac>that's too bad
15:38<stew>!why iceweasel
15:38<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
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15:38<ammoniac>somehow I got used to that foxy xD
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15:39<_moro_bana_>dd if =<hddfilesystem> of =<hdd137.3 GB Volume: disk>
15:39<ammoniac>So,besides the name,it's the same?can I still use extensions?
15:39<_moro_bana_>can anyone help me with that
15:39<brif8>Is there a simply guide to build from source ? I have d/l the source package and edited the .c files now I need to build the .deb and install it ? thanks You ?
15:39<stew>ammoniac: yes there was a minor font change, and debian makes security patches. extensions and plugins should work exactly the same
15:39<bremner>brif8: debuild
15:39<_moro_bana_>i wanna transfere my installing to a another hdd
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15:40<brif8>bremmer: from which dir and debuild not found guess I need to install it
15:40<ammoniac>ok,thank you very much!
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15:41<stew>brif8: aptitude install fakeroot devscripts build-essential ; apt-get build-dep packagename ; run "dch --nmu" to bump the version number of the package. then build the package with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
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15:41<bremner>brif8: from directory containing debian/ ; apt-get install devscripts
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15:41<stew>brif8: when you run "dch --nmu" it will put you in an editr with the version number ending in .1, i recommend changing that to something more descripting like +somepatch
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15:42<brif8>bremmer: sorry I'm new to debian what is "debian/" I have the source installed at /usr/src/{module name }
15:42<bremner>brif8: is it a kernel module?
15:42<brif8>a pam module
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15:43<bremner>brif8 is it already packaged for debian (i.e. did you download it using apt-get?)
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15:43<`cle>guys.. what is the command to check my harddisk utilization in MB??
15:43<stew>zepard: df -m
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15:43<stew>`cle: df -m
15:44<`cle>k. thx
15:44<brif8>it is packaged already yes. But I apt-get source libpam-krb5 and put in some output log lines to see where it is failing now I need to rebuild the package
15:44<flash600>can someone help me to get running the internal modem on a thinkpad t60?
15:44<bremner>brif8: OK, so inside the mainpackage directory, there should be subdirectory called debian
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15:45<Guldhammer>Hi there
15:45<bremner>ok, from there, once you have the right packages (see stew's messages)
15:46<Guldhammer>does anyone know where i can get a list over usergroups and rights to debian 4.0?
15:46<flamsmark>i'm reasonably confident this issue is completely unrelated to debian, but it frustrates me, and the people in this room are pretty smart & savvy, so i'm going to ask anyway
15:46<bremner>brif8: you can run debuild or dpkg-buildpackage
15:46<`cle>flash, at least u give the modem details if people here can help u
15:46<brif8>ok I see it building thanks
15:46<flash600>what details? I'm new in linux..
15:46<flash600>i tried with sl-modem
15:47<flamsmark>why, immediately after shutting down my computer can i not start it up for a few minutes? it feels like starting a car. you push the buton, it revs, and nothing happens
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15:47<`cle>chipset manufacturer and version?
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15:48<flash600>I've tried this:
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15:48<flash600>when i try to run slmodemd i recive "cannot open dev/slamr0 no such device"
15:49<stew>brif8: building it should create a .deb in ..; you can install it with dpkg -i, then you may want to put it on hold to prevent apt from updating to a new version (which might not have your changes): /msg dpkg hold
15:49<stew>flash600: does /dev/slamr0 exist?
15:49<brif8>thanks for the heads up
15:49<stew>flash600: did you create it?
15:49<bremner>flash600: you link is double-plus-ungood
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15:50<flash600>i can't remember, i've tried so much
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15:50<brif8>perhaps you might know if I add debug to a line in /etc/pam.d/common-* where is the log file created ??
15:50<stew>flash600: did you run "m-a a-i sl-modem-source" or something similar
15:50<bremner>flash600: you sound like you should take a break, and work on this another day :-)
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15:51<flash600>can i send some outputs, like lspci or somethink?
15:51<stew>flash600: did you modprobe a driver?
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15:51[~]bremner decides to take his own advice. Good luck all
15:51<flash600>You will need to compile the module
15:51<flash600> #Add "non-free" and "contrib"
15:51<flash600> deb etch main contrib non-free
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15:52<flash600>why i was kicked?
15:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
15:53<flash600>have you seen, what i've pasted?
15:53<stew>flash600: there is no reason to paste the contents of the page, you can just give the correct url:
15:53<stew>flash600: where did you paste it?
15:53<flash600>i've done!
15:54<flash600>sorry, my english is bad
15:54<stew>flash600: did you modprobe the driver you built with m-a?
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15:54<`cle>flash600, repaste..
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15:54<flash600>flash@T60:~$ lsmod|grep sla
15:54<flash600>slamr 375588 0
15:54<stew>flash600: were there any errors in dmesg when you modprobed it?
15:55<flash600>slamr: module license 'Smart Link Ltd.' taints kernel.
15:55<flash600>slamr: SmartLink AMRMO modem.
15:55<stew>flash600: that's from dmesg? or from stdout?
15:55<flash600>no, no errors
15:55<flash600>dmesg|grep slamr
15:56<`cle>omg.. it's getting late.. bye all
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15:57<df1amb>flash600: try 'find /dev -name slam* -print' maybe it is located somewhere else
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15:58<flash600>find: /dev/.static: Permission denied
15:58<chump_>hey guys is there an issue with lenny and WPA right now i head the package was broken or somethin how can i fix this ?
15:58<stew>chump_: /msg dpkg bts
15:58<df1amb>flash600: that means slamr0 is located in /dev the rest is not important
15:59<flash600>ok. sorry, i'm very new in debian..
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16:00<flash600>what can I do, to get running this f*** modem?
16:00<chump_>hmm so there is no issues why can't i get wpa to work correctly
16:01<flash600>apropo: uname -r = 2.6.18-5-686
16:01<df1amb>flash600: no problem but the utput means /dev/slamr0 exists and you should be able to use it. pse paste the output of 'ls -l /dev/slamr0'
16:01<stew>flash600: can you put the output of "lspci ; lspci -n ; grep slamr /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" into a pastebin such as
16:02<stew>df1amb: he already said that /dev/slamr0 exists
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16:03<df1amb>stew: yes but I think it is a problem of the permissions
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16:03<stew>df1amb: if it were the error woudl be "Permission denied" not "No such device"
16:03<stew>df1amb: no such device means, the driver is there but no hardware was found that the driver knows how to drive
16:05<df1amb>stew: sorry but when the devicenode in /dev exist I think in this case the device exists as well. But maybe I am wrong.
16:05<azeem>df1amb: what about /dev/ircomm0? Should that only exist if my ir-enabled mobile is around?
16:07<stew>flash600: i think that the likely problem is that either A) the driver you compiled is too old for the hardware you have (which i should be able to tell you if you get me that above info). or B) the device is disabled somehow in the bios
16:07<df1amb>azeem: no but it exists when an irda hardware is connected/mounted to your computer
16:09<stew>df1amb: how was /dev/slamr0 created? was it created by udev or mknod?
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16:10<df1amb>stew: in case he is using etch I think with udev
16:10<stew>df1amb: how do you know that he didn't create it with mknod?
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16:12<df1amb>stew: he said he is a newbee. I am not but I cannot use mknod either.
16:12<flash600>i had network problems..
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16:13<donfede>hello, i'm having some nfs locking problems.... my procmail scripts are hanging on flock calls (strace shows ... "fcntl64(5, F_SETLKW64, {type=F_WRLCK" ...)
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16:13<stew>df1amb: he knew to run aptitude install modules-assistent build-essential && m-a a-i sl-modem-source && modprobe" becuase he read that he should do it on some webpage, i dont' see how he couldn't have also read somwhere to run "mknod -m 600 /dev/slamr3 c 242 3"
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16:14<stew>flash600: can you put the output of "lspci ; lspci -n ; grep slamr /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" into a pastebin such as
16:14<donfede>i have been working on setting fixed ports via the debian nfs howto, and opening them up in my firewall. i have droppd packets logged, and am no longer getting dropped packets
16:14<flash600>is here nobody who use a 56k modem??
16:14<donfede>yet still, my locks (via procmail) don't work ... they hang indefinitely
16:14<donfede>flash600: not for 5+ years
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16:14<flash600>i cant't get adsl :-(
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16:15<donfede>and no cable/cable modem?
16:15<df1amb>stew: you've got me
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16:15<flash600>i would change from windows to debian, but without internet ...
16:16<donfede>well, linux worked ok with 56k modems back them (those external us robotics modems were "the shit" back then, they just worked)
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16:16<donfede>flash600: but even with my internal laptop modem, I was able to get thing working back then
16:16<flash600>i don't have a serial port
16:16<@weasel>get a real computer :)
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16:16<stew>yeah, it sucks that newer thinkpads don't have rs232 ports anymore
16:17<flash600>i thinked that a t60 is a real computer :-)
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16:17<@weasel>yup, having the same problem
16:17<@weasel>I need to get a usb2serial for my switches and stuff in case
16:17<donfede>weasel: looking at things honestly, serial ports (rs232 etc) are "yesterdays" technology... everything is usb now
16:17<flash600>my old t40 had it .-(
16:17<zepard>somone told me somthing?
16:17<@weasel>all my suns have serial ports
16:17<flash600>at the moment i go online with an xp as router
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16:18<@weasel>you could probably get one of those linksys things to work just fine as a router
16:18<@weasel>if you solder a 9pin rs232 connector to the board
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16:18<donfede>flash600: the internal modem is not working for you?
16:18<df1amb>flash600: btw have you tried to install sl-modem-deamon ? I do not have a T60 but after installing that package I could use my softmodem.
16:18<ammoniac>hi again
16:19<flash600>i've installed sl-modem-daemon
16:19<ammoniac>as you can guess I've got another problem !:P
16:19<donfede>no one has any input on my nfs lock problem hell?
16:19<flash600>but it doesn't work, or i'm to stupid
16:19<stew>i have a t61, i'd test but i'm running amd64, so i can't try sl-modem-source
16:20<ammoniac>I'm trying to install nvidia legacy drivers,with the help of the ubuntu documentation,but I can't find the nvidia-glx packages
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16:21<flash600>I've done this:
16:22<flash600>and this
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16:24<flash600>if someone has an idea: I go sleeping. bye at all, and thx
16:24<pedro><--- looking for a swedish channel. /me n00b....
16:24<stew>flash600: i have ideas, but you don't want to answer my questions
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16:25<flash600>what questions?
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16:25<stew>flash600: can you put the output of "lspci ; lspci -n ; grep slamr /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" into a pastebin such as
16:25<flash600>ok, moment please
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16:26<df1amb>I need a beer back in 5 minutes.
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16:27<ammoniac>anybody knows if there's an equivalent to nvidia-glx or any proper method to get hardware acceleration? (meaning:no compilation xD)
16:27<donfede>df1amb: could you get me an IPA ? :-P
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16:28<df1amb>donfede: sorry I have only 'Andechser Doppelbock Dunkel'
16:28<df1amb>!beer donfede
16:28[~]dpkg pours a quart of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for donfede
16:28[~]donfede ahh Tasty :-P
16:29<flash600>ok, uploaded
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16:29<flash600>can you see it? I don't know how work this
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16:30<stew>flash600: where did you upload it?
16:31<df1amb>donfede: btw where can I get an IPA? I've never heared of it. Maybe somewhere in germany?
16:31<flash600>but i can't see me
16:31<stew>flash600: the most recent paste there was 17 minutes ago
16:31<flash600>ok, now is up
16:31<gnusmas>hi, can anyone help me on installing a framework? The point is that I need to compile some files (C language), but I get some errors. My gcc version is 4.1.3.. any help?
16:32<gnusmas>some errors such as: [apply] /usr/include/stdlib.h:852: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘size_t’
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16:33<ammoniac>just trying:
16:33<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
16:33<ammoniac>well,lucky shot :)
16:33<donfede>df1amb: this has been my fancy as of late... one fine tasty beer ( ) ... and general ipa info, they tend to be hoppier and maybe more alcohol ( )
16:33<stew>i don't see a modem in lspci there
16:34<flash600>i know.. i've loaded the slamr (modporpe slamr)
16:34<zepard>ok going to sleep bye guys
16:34<gsimmons>ammoniac: There's currently no 'nvidia-*' packages within Etch, see "Current Issues" at <> for the reasons why.
16:34<stew>i would have expected to see 8086:27dd or 8086:266d
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16:34<gsimmons>ammoniac: s/Etch/Lenny/
16:36<ammoniac>oh i see
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16:36<flash600>do you need other infos?
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16:37<ammoniac>so if I uderstood well,I have to get them from Sid?
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16:39<stew>flash600: have you tried running "/usr/sbin/slmodemd -c ITALY" as root?
16:39<flash600>can i reinstall the sl-modem?
16:40<stew>flash600: what do you mean?
16:40<gsimmons>ammoniac: That's right. You can either set up a testing/unstable mix (ask dpkg about 'tsm') or backport the relevant packages from unstable (ask dpkg about 'simple sid backport').
16:40<flash600>it's so hard for me to write in english..
16:41<ammoniac>like this?
16:41<ammoniac>!simple sid backport
16:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
16:41<flash600>yes i've tried this
16:41<ammoniac>oh great
16:41<flash600>the output is:
16:41<flash600>error: mdm setup: cannot open dev `/dev/slamr0': No such device
16:41<flash600>error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0'
16:42<stew>flash600: that's running it as root, right? last time you showed us that output you had run it as 'flash'
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16:42<flash600>no, as root, sure!
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16:42<flash600>T60:/home/flash# whoami
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16:43<flash600>i try now 1 month to get running this shit modem... under MS you install the driver click click, finish..
16:44<flash600>but the rest of ms don't work :-)
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16:44<d0rt>it's not the spam on the debian lists that bothers me -- it's the meta-conversations about spam that annoy me (because those posters don't understand that they're as bad (or worse) than the spammers)
16:45<flash600>can i send you a mail? because i've cold now..
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16:46<flash600>my addr.
16:47<flash600>thnx for your help stew! i go to bed now.bye
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16:48<Guest2425>hablo spanish
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16:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:50<Guest2425>mi name is carolina
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16:51<Guest2425>ich haiße carolina
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16:52<df1amb>!tell Guest2425
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16:58<ammoniac>still cant get the backported nvidia-glx :P
16:58<ammoniac>they say something like it is in the database,but cant be found
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16:59<dpkg>from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
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17:00<ammoniac>!simple sid backport
17:00<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
17:00<gsimmons>!tell ammoniac -about selftell
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17:09<grummund>Hi, could someone running lenny say where PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" is set, ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile ?
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17:12<df1amb>grummund: in /etc/profile
17:13<df1amb>grummund: but you need to access it as root
17:13<grummund>df1amb: so it is none of /etc/skel/.* ?
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17:15<grummund>i'm not sure /etc/profile gets sourced for an xterm shell window
17:16<df1amb>grummund: The thing is your path variables are set in /etc/profiles for every user but I don't know what you what to do. Do you want to add maybe ./ to your path then put it in this file. After that you have to restart your terminal.
17:16<grummund>df1amb: just to add ~/bin to PATH if it exists.
17:17<grummund>df1amb: the default config in etch seems to be to do that in ~/.bash_profile
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17:17<grummund>but i had to move it to .bashrc, hence why i wondered what lenny has
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17:19<df1amb>grummund: I am using lenny and the ~/.bash_profile exists and works the same way it does in etch.
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17:19<grummund>df1amb: does /etc/skel/.bash_profile have PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" ?
17:20<jjl>hi guys, how can i configure apt to not install the recommend packages als default? (somebody tell me this is new in lenny). I read man apt.conf but wasnt able to find th answer.
17:20<grummund>ok, thanks.
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17:22<df1amb>jjl: I recommend aptitude for that.
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17:23<chealer>jjl: see
17:23<grummund>df1amb: can you tell me do you have a ~/bin dir? and if so does it get added to $PATH for an xterm shell?
17:23<chealer>df1amb: I don't think can do that.
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17:24<df1amb>grummund: I dont have sorry.
17:24<grummund>ok, np.
17:27<df1amb>chealer: why not only go to the package you want to install open the details and then look at recommended so you can do that. btw I dont know any other way.
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17:28<Knorrie>argh why are all colors and stuff different in gvim than in vim
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17:36<monra>i installed apache on my computer and by visiting localhost it goes me to localhost/apache2-default. I just want it to go me to localhost/index.html or index.php. I deleted the php2-default directory from /var/www and added an index.php there but still when writing localhost in a browser it goes me to localhost/apache2-default although without finding the file.
17:36<monra>what can i do?\
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17:38<stew>monra: look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
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17:41<monra>stew: nice thanks!
17:44<stew>monra: you might either want to edit that file, or create your own similar file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ; you can disable that site with "a2dissite 000-default" and enable one you create in sites-available with 'a2ensite sitename'
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17:50<PetaWindows>ohhh.. i'm not agree with you
17:50<PetaWindows>neither am i
17:50<PetaWindows>interesting :O
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17:54<xDbr>i´m tryng to install using the cdrom, but my cdrom is not used to work more
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17:55<xDbr>what should i do?
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17:55<chealer>xDbr: is the installation of Debian finished?
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17:57<PetaWindows>xDbr: good nick
17:57<PetaWindows>xDbr: it's funny
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17:57<chealer>xDbr: do not send messages privately unless they're private without asking for permission first.
17:58<chealer>xDbr: what do you mean by "my cdrom is not used to work more"?
17:58<PetaWindows>good question
17:58<xDbr>i mean
17:58<xDbr>i installed DSL
17:59<xDbr>bur i wold like to install Debian
17:59<PetaWindows>Damn it
17:59<xDbr>when i putted the cd on drive, the drive coldn´t read the cd
17:59<JasonS>xDbr: so you burnt the debian iso to cd, put it in and rebooted and the drive doesnt work
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18:00<xDbr>the bios try to access the drive
18:01<xDbr>but it can´t see de cd
18:01<xDbr>i tried another linux
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18:01<xDbr>same problem
18:01<azeem>xDbr: maybe you're burning it wrong, did you check whether there's not just one "*.iso" file on the Cd if you access it from Windows or so?
18:02<xDbr>it´s rigth burned
18:02<JasonS>xDbr: you checked the md5sum before burning?
18:02<xDbr>i burned the same way on all linux
18:03<JasonS>xDbr: how did you burn them? straight to cd or as image?
18:03<xDbr>as image
18:04<monra>stew: i thought tha tby installing php i could do php file.php in the shell but i don't see any php* command alhtough php files in apache works just fine.
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18:05<stew>monra: install php5-cli or (php4-cli)
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18:05<monra>stew: ok. thanks :)
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18:07<xDbr>is possible to update my cd drive?
18:08<azeem>xDbr: sounds like non-Debian question
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18:15<miksuh>shouldn't that be fixed?
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18:16<azeem>hrm :)
18:17<azeem>miksuh: where did you see that link?
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18:18<miksuh>I just typed it to my browser :)
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18:18<azeem>miksuh: why?
18:18<miksuh>because I was searching for full sarge disks. I don't need it but someone else does
18:18<miksuh>but still i think that should be fixed
18:19<miksuh>it does niot matter why I used that link
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18:19<gsimmons>!tell miksuh -about sarge
18:19<miksuh>it's quite odd that leads to ubuntu
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18:32<lucas_amorim>Hello, I am having a problem with the OSS sound plugin. Sound is not working in any program that uses it.
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18:33<lucas_amorim>How would I test the system to see what is going on an solve the problem?
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18:36<panagos>do i need to do a clean install of the nvidia driver before installing an ati graphics card? i used the installer method "/msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch"
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18:37<lucas_amorim>panagos, do you really need to remove it?
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18:37<lucas_amorim>cant you install ati and leave nvidia there?
18:37<panagos>lucas_amorim: i don't know
18:37<lucas_amorim>I mean, in xorg.conf you will choose which driver to use
18:38<lucas_amorim>I am not an expert, but I would try to install it without removing the nvidia drivers and then edit xorg.conf
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18:39<panagos>lucas_amorim: i want to avoid any fuss about clashing kernel modules and the like
18:39<lucas_amorim>I understand. how did you install nvidia drivers?
18:40<dpkg>i guess nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:41<panagos>lucas_amorim: ^^
18:41<lucas_amorim>then, cant you just apt-get remove what you installed?
18:41<panagos>lucas_amorim: how can i reverse m-a's work?
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18:43<lucas_amorim>sorry, I don't know. I installed the proprietary nvidia drivers in this box, so I did not need to do what you did
18:43<lucas_amorim>wait for someone more experienced in this issue to answer your question :p
18:47<tiagosab>panagos: m-a installs the nvidia driver as a package;
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18:48<tiagosab>all you have to do is remove the nvidia-related package
18:49<tiagosab>iirc, its nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
18:49<panagos>should i remove all nvidia related packages?
18:49<BenJi-51>¤ bsoir il y a des français ici ? ¤
18:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
18:50<tiagosab>i believe all nvidia packages are related to graphics device, panagos, but i am not sure.
18:50<tiagosab>you can remove nvidia-settings, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-kernel-common
18:50<panagos>tiagosab: note that i want to uninstall the nvidia driver
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18:51<panagos>basically, i'm looking for the cleanest way to transition from nvidia to ati
18:51<tiagosab>panagos: Have you already installed your ati card?
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18:51<BenJi-51>~¤ Thx tiagosaB ¤~
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18:51<panagos>tiagosab: not yet
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18:52<panagos>tiagosab: should i first mount the card on the motherboard, and deal with driver un/installing later?
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18:53<tiagosab>I am not sure what the *better* way is, but I would first backup my xorg.conf, then reconfigure my xorg to work with vesa
18:53<tiagosab>(generic graphic card)
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18:54<pangel>is there an easy way to upgrade to sqlite > 3.3.8 on etch? I can't figure out how to install it myself
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18:54<tiagosab>then install the new card, which should work with this config, install the new drivers, and then remove the old ones.
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18:58<panagos>tiagosab: right
18:58<bernardo>Is there a software for debian that creates some sort of recovery disc for your pc?
18:59<panagos>something else; should i install the opensource drivers (fglrx*) that come with debian, or should i use the ones generated by the ati installer? or maybe install directly from the installer?
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19:05<PetaWindows>bernardo: apt-cache search backup
19:05<PetaWindows>bernardo: I know there is a good program but i don't remember it :(
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19:06<bernardo>PetaWindows: Mkcdrec?
19:06<PetaWindows>i don't know :(
19:07<bernardo>PetaWindows: this "backup" package allows you to create bootable cd's?
19:07<PetaWindows>allows you to make the backup on CD, DVD, ...
19:07<PetaWindows>but i have used it only one time
19:08<bernardo>PetaWindows: is it any good?
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19:09<PetaWindows>if you search in apt you will find a lot of programs for this purposes
19:10<bernardo>PetaWindows: ok...I'll take a look, thanks
19:12<pangel>I've been looking around about my sqlite problem, and in a more general fashion it seems hard to apt-get stuff that's beyond the release you're working with. Is there a port of ubuntu's prevu on debian?
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19:16<chump_>hey guys does any one know where a good guid for compiling a kernel would be by chance?
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19:17<bernardo>chump_: u mean a guide?
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19:19<chump_>yes thats exaclty what i mean
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19:20<bernardo>how can I install an RPM package under debian?
19:20<chump_>bernardo: thanks
19:21<bernardo>chump_: no problem...
19:22<JasonS>bernardo: alien but are you positive what ever you're after isn't in debian?
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19:23<bernardo>JasonS: I'm not sure what u mean...
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19:24<JasonS>bernardo: alien is used on rpms but are you sure what you what to install isnt all ready available on a debian mirror?
19:24<bernardo>JasonS: ohhh I see...
19:24<bernardo>JasonS: I couldn't find it in debian
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19:25<bernardo>JasonS: it's the Mkcdrec package
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19:25<chump_>bernardo: is this tutorial kinda out dated because i don't see some of the packages theya re refereing to
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19:25<bernardo>chump_: like what?
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19:26<chump_>kernel-source'uname -r'
19:26<chump_>err kernel-source-'uname -r'
19:26<chump_>i think its now under linux-image
19:26<chump_>i think
19:26<bernardo>chump_: that is your kernel's source code
19:27<chump_>yeahi can't find it on the apt-cache search
19:27<bernardo>chump_: type this: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r)
19:27<bernardo>chump_: perhaps it's linux-source-....
19:27<chump_>: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.22-3-686
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19:28<chump_>yeah i think they changed the name at some point
19:28<bernardo>chump_:'s linux-source-$(uname -r)
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19:28<chump_>hmm i'll continue to search for a newer tutorial
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19:29<bernardo>chump_: i think this tutorial is still useful...
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19:30<chump_> yeah i'm just looking for one thats more up to date thats all i'm sure they have them might as well use them
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19:31<bernardo>chump_: ok...
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19:46<hugo>thank you
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19:47<hugo>I like debian very much
19:48<predder>that's nice to hear
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19:50<hugo>I used linux as for 4 years
19:50<bernardo>how can I reconfigure the sources from my apt with that assistant that shows up on the system installation?
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19:51<JasonS>bernardo: apt-setup you mean? it no longer exists
19:51<JasonS>!tell bernardo about sources.list
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19:52<bernardo>JasonS: so what is it's substitute?
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19:53<bernardo>JasonS: it's because I don't want to edit the file myself....I don't know the repository address in my head...
19:53<chump_>if i'm running 2.6.22-3 would i compile 2.6.22 linux source?
19:54<bernardo>chump_: i think it's ok
19:54<hugo>#apt-get install apt-spy
19:55<hugo>mv sources.list sources.list.bak //backup
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19:55<hugo>#man apt-spy
19:55<Kokon>hi :)
19:55<hugo>#apt-spy update //update your list
19:55<hugo># apt-spy -d testing -a yourlocal
19:56<chump_>yeah you need to do a apt-spy -a NorthAmerica - d testing
19:56<Kokon>i need some help in shell commands: how can i ask wich link shows to a device?
19:56<hugo>this is ok for sources
19:56<Kokon>/dev/sr0 and all links wich shown on this deivce - some idea?
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19:57<JasonS>bernardo: read what dpkg told you about sources.list
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19:59<bernardo>JasonS: I did...thanks
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20:00<chump_>whats the lightest torrent client ?
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20:02<hugo>maybe you can #fdisk -l
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20:06<JasonS>chump_: cant imagine they get much lighter then rtorrent
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20:09<panagos>how can i enable high resolution timestamps in ext3?
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20:10<Tarcas>Does anybody happen to know what happens when a drive fails during a RAID5 resync? Does the entire array die as if two drives had failed, or does it simply have to restart the resync?
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20:10<Tarcas>Panagos, how high resolution?
20:11<panagos>Tarcas: nanoseconds
20:11<Tarcas>wow, what for?
20:11<panagos>Tarcas: nothing special
20:12<panagos>ok, at least less that a second
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20:12<panagos>i'm getting bored of /usr/bin/stat showing things like "Access: 2008-01-07 07:57:09.000000000"
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20:12<panagos>(note the 000000s)
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20:15<panagos>besides, one-second resolution timestamps can be somewhat small sometimes, for things like eg make
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20:21<Tarcas>panagos, I see all over that it's a possibility, but I'm not seeing how.
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20:30<bernardo>how can I get the win32 codec package?
20:31<Tarcas>Sorry, panagos... I've got nothing. mke2fs should have the option. I wonder if it's just a theoretical possibility right now. I do see they're talking about that for ext4 also.
20:32<Jflesch>bernardo: deb unstable main
20:32<panagos>hmmm, well, guess i'll have to wait for ext4/btrfs! :P
20:32<Jflesch>bernardo: and then, apt-get update && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
20:32<Jflesch>and to finish, apt-get install w32codecs
20:33<Tarcas>bernardo, try:
20:33<Tarcas>apt-get install w32codecs
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20:33<bernardo>Jflesch: thanks a lot
20:33<Jflesch>bernardo: you're welcome :)
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20:35<Tarcas>panagos: unless you have scripts depending on that subsecond resolution, you're probably better off avoiding the performance hit. I'm also seeing talk about nanosecond resolutions causing problems with gcc.
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20:37<macdeem>I have a major problem, my harddrive starts clicking and sometimes make my system crash. So I went a bought a new computer. I am still running p3 1.26 but now I have a dual system. I bought the ibm server, put in a video card but can't find the keyboard connection
20:38<macdeem>Can usb keyboards work?
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20:38<azeem>macdeem: you bought an ibm server, but cannot find the keyboard connection??
20:39<Tarcas>I just ran the Etch installer with a USB keyboard right out of the box.
20:39<macdeem>azeem, yeah, it has some series connection for kvm setup, so you can connect a rack of servers to just one keyboard, mouse, and display, but I didn't notice when I bought it
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20:40<macdeem>Tarcas, were you able to browse the bios with the USB keyboard?
20:40<Tarcas>I was.
20:40<macdeem>Tarcas, hmmm, good news, so I guess I just gotta get a USB Keyboard
20:41<Tarcas>Oh, you're having a problem with a PS/2 keyboard?
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20:43<macdeem>Tarcas, did you use one of those ps/2 to usb connectors, or did you just plug in the usb keyboard into the usb slot, and browse the bios, I have a server without a PS/2 connection, it has some kvm setup so you can connect a bunch of servers in series, but i don't have the cable, and I don't know where to buy it from
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20:45<Tarcas>Macdeem, no, my keyboard is straight USB. You could try the adapter, but in my experience the PS/2 to USB converters aren't always 100% reliable. At a previous job we had so much trouble with them that we mandated a single brand and just bought dozens of those. Sad to say, I don't remember the name of the brand.
20:47<Tarcas>If budget is a concern, though, stop by just about any used computer parts place. Used keyboards and mice are dirt cheap. EPC here in St. Louis literally gives them away (in small quantities only.)
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20:48<macdeem>Tarcas, I bought one of those connectors from the dollar store and it worked fine. But my current situation is different. I have a server that doesn't have a ps/2 connectorto plug in anything, it requires a special cable that connects one plug into computer, and has three plugs at other end for all three mouse, keyboard, and video. But i have no idea where to buy it from
20:48<Tarcas>So it's a proprietary KVM solution? Yuck!
20:48<macdeem>Tarcas, Yeah IBM can be a pain
20:49<macdeem>I wonder if I can ever find that cable
20:49<Tarcas>Macdeem: E-bay!
20:49<macdeem>Tarcas, Thats why I was ask about, USB keyboard, you think it would work on my server
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20:50<macdeem>Tarcas, I don't have a darn credit card for E-bay
20:50<Tarcas>Macdeem, what're the specs? How old is it?
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20:51<macdeem>Tarcas, its pretty old, p3 1.26, eserver xseries 330
20:51<Tarcas>Might I recommend getting one of those. (even if you're young, use it rarely and build your credit rating by just having one that's active. Just be SURE to pay it off every month.)
20:52<Tarcas>ooh... a p3 should, but I can't really guarantee that. You might want to check the spec sheet on IBM's website. It'll probably also tell you the model number of the KVM cable in case you wind up needing that.
20:52<macdeem>Tarcas, I'm not so young, my credit rating is in the gutter. I have been blacklisted from this society. I must run from this land to the third world to regain my freedom. Its the war on terror, lots of people hate non gay muslims now
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20:53<macdeem>Tarcas, hmm, I was looking at the website but I can't seem to find the option to buy the cable, but that how I found out about the cable in the first place
20:53<Tarcas>Sorry about that macdeem.
20:54<Tarcas>Macdeem, Is there not a PDF of the entire manual out there somewhere?
20:54<macdeem>Tarcas, I shouldn't have wasted money on this server, cause I am gonna need it for airfare, but its keeps me busy and helps the time pass, these computers
20:55<macdeem>Tarcas, yeah, but it doesn't say where to buy the cable
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20:57<Tarcas>Macdeem, if it doesn't have PS/2 connectors, surely it will support USB in the BIOS. I'd try that before you run out for a cable.
20:57<macdeem>Tarcas, for sure
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20:57<Tarcas>Does anybody happen to know what happens when a drive fails during a RAID5 resync? Does the entire array die as if two drives had failed, or does it simply have to restart the resync?
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20:59<macdeem>how do you copy booksmarks?
21:00<Tarcas>macdeem, bookmarks in what?
21:01<macdeem>Tarcas, mozilla, don't worry I figured it out
21:01<macdeem>Tarcas, thanks though
21:01<lexel>Tarcas, 2 dead drives from Raid 5 = dead raid
21:02<Tarcas>lexel, I know that much, but it's a resync, not a rebuild.
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21:03<stew>Tarcas: what is the difference between a resync and a rebuild?
21:06<macdeem>serversw are so load
21:06<Tarcas>a rebuild, you can't trust the data on one of the drives. It may be corrupted or nonexistent.
21:06<Tarcas>If I understand right, when an n-disk RAID5 array is initially built, it acts as if it was an array with a failed element and resyncs the last one to match all the parity of the junk data already on the other drives. I'm jsut not sure if it prerecords good data on the last drive and only syncs up what is left, or if it essentially treats it as failed.
21:07<stew>Tarcas: why would an n-disk RAID5 array acts if it has a failed element when it is initial built?
21:07<macdeem>ok, I gotta usb, wireless keyboard and gonna see if it runs the server
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21:09<Tarcas>The resync is faster that way than if it were to read all the data from all n disks and write the parity to all n disks. If it did that you would have n-1 drives reading a stripe, calculate parity, then write it to the last one and then move on.
21:09<Tarcas>With the resync, you read n-1 drives, and write one drive. No waiting between stripes before the writing drive turns into a reading drive in order to calculate the next parity stripe.
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21:11<Tarcas>Not that changing from a write to a read is slow, but you have to read all n-1 drives BEFORE the last one can write. and it has to finish that write before it can read the next stripe. Consider it context switching at the hard drive level. :-D
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21:13<Tarcas>Stew, understand?
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21:13<lexel>m ... resync = fast rebuild ? am i right ?
21:13<Tarcas>lexel, right.
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21:15<Tarcas>Fast, of course, being a relative term. I've been up 1 hour 43 minutes and my 1.5 TB 4-drive array is only 73% complete with its resync.
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21:18<Tarcas>so... 2 hours 20 minutes to write parity to 500 GB at this rate. 3.57 GB/min. Not sure if that's good or not.
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21:19<lexel>it looks normal.
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21:21<lexel>i had 3ware raid 5 on 4x500gb sata ... rebuild takes about 3 hours
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21:22<Tarcas>And that was with hardware RAID. This is all Linux SW RAID.
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21:24<Tarcas>Probably attribute the difference strictly to the write speed of the drive. Before I call this build done, I'm going to time a complete rebuild of each drive in the array just for a benchmark.
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21:47<Tarcas>300 people in the room and nobody has a thing to say to anybody. How sad.
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21:57<blarson>Tarcas: This is a support channel, not a discussion channel.
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22:07<rideick>Hi.. somebody there is from Canada?
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22:08<rideick>Hi.. somebody there is from Vancouver?
22:08<noflash>do you have a debian question?
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22:09<rideick>noflash, I'd like just to chat
22:10<lexel>not here
22:10<clone> computer won't recognize my usb keyboard and so I cant install anything
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22:11<Tarcas>clone, neither BIOS nor the boot CD recognizes it?
22:12<clone>Tarcas, I don't see what the difference would be
22:12<clone>But, I put in the boot cd(netinstall) and the keyboard never works
22:13<Tarcas>Clone, if BIOS does but not the CD, you may just have an old CD (Did Sarge support USB in the installer?) but if the CD does but not the BIOS, then the BIOS doesn't support USB config, but does support the USB protocol. I have encountered this on older systems.
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22:14<Tarcas>Sorry, Sarge would have. Woody might not have.
22:14<blarson>clone: If bios doesn't recognise it, it is a hardware or bios issue. You could try a differnt USB port.
22:15<clone>Tarcas, well the cd goes to the press f1 for help, or enter to boot, so it doesn't load anything yet, so how could it help cause I cant press f1 or enter
22:15<clone>blarson, I didn't try that, I have two usb ports, 1 and 2, I tried 1, you say maybe two will work?
22:16<clone>Tarcas, it is etch
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22:16<Tarcas>Clone, pray that you have a bad USB port and try #2. ;-)
22:16<blarson>clone: depends. More likely if different USB controlers.
22:16<clone>blarson, I don't think so but it is worth a try
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22:17<blarson>Some systems don't support keyboards through USB hubs. Some keybords have internal hubs (to have another port for mouse, etc.)
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22:20<clone>did work, I saw some gentoo site, and they installed using usb keyboard, dunno why its not working for me though
22:20<clone>*didn't work
22:21<Tarcas>Clone, did they install gentoo on the same hardware you're using?
22:22<clone>Tarcas, yep
22:22<clone>I guess I will just have to buy the cables tomarrow
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22:25<Tarcas>Clone, you'll notice they used a null modem cable to get into ASM before their keyboard started working. Do you happen to have a null modem cable?
22:26<clone>I have no idea what that is even. I removed that card too, to make room for sound card, so I hope the one of the four jacks that look like rj45 work for ethernet. I think two are ethernet and two are something else
22:28<Tarcas>Clone: Basic concept, it's like a crossover cable for an RS232 serial port. You hook two computers directly to each other and can talk as if you were connected by a modem. They're not very commonly used anymore.
22:29<clone>whats rs485?
22:32<Tarcas>Clone, per Wikipedia: EIA-485 (formerly RS-485 or RS485) is an OSI model physical layer electrical specification of a two-wire[1], half-duplex, multipoint serial connection. The standard specifies a differential form of signalling. The difference between the wires’ voltages is what conveys the data.
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22:33<Tarcas>I've never heard of it, but it's a physical connection protocol. I doubt any of your other devices would support it.
22:34<clone>Tarcas, thanks, I guess I can't connect my internet through those, I hope the other two are regular ethernet, cause I only have two pci slots, for adding sound and video, w/out them both, I won't have nice video, only 8mb
22:34<clone>Tarcas, I'd better find a spec sheet
22:35<Tarcas>Clone, it looks like those are for SCSI2 and SCSI3 most likely.
22:37<Tarcas>RS-485 is the physical layer used by SCSI-2 and SCSI-3 according to what I just read.
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22:40<clone>Tarcas, I dont know about that stuff, this server stuff gets into some high tech things
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23:53<Walei>what's the easiest way to get m4a to work?
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