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00:03<toor>Greetings :)
00:04<toor>Anyone know something about anything when it comes to chrooting apache?
00:04<Supaplex>it's a learning exp
00:05<toor>Yes, I can tell!
00:05<toor>I was so sure I did everything correct...
00:06<toor>It starts but dispite the conf changes it still runs as www-data and not my chroot user designated for it.
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00:07<Supaplex>my hands are full atm. need to refurb the inkjet heads on this messy printer. bbiaf.
00:08<toor>Take your time, thats all I got.
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00:40<aquaman>I'm having some trouble getting my wireless to work, im using a dell d400 with internal wifi, when i dhclient the card receives an IP address but I have no access to anything.
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00:58<DaCapn>talk sense man
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01:08<Supaplex>DaCapn: I think he wanted !es, but alas he's a gonner now.
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01:10<mzhang>dli: there?
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01:12<mzhang>for core 2 quad should I install amd64 or ia64 of debian?
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01:18<bremner>mzhang: not ia64
01:18<bremner>mzhang either amd64 or i386
01:18<JustSoul2>jm_: morning
01:18<jm_>JustSoul2: 'lo
01:20<mzhang>bremner: thanks.
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01:29<JustSoul2>Debian installed on software md0 [raid1 sda1(bootable, grub)+sdb1(not bootable), mirror], sda crashed, machine still working on sdb1. I have new sd, but hotplug is not recomended. I have 44KB data of old sda. Iif I just copy them to new sd, system will not boot (test on VM).
01:29<jm_>JustSoul2: why don't you simply try to boot sdb with GRUB?
01:30<jm_>bb in 10
01:30<JustSoul2>jm_: how? =)
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01:39<jm_>JustSoul2: with GRB floppy/CD
01:39<jm_>GRUB too
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01:44<antoine>does anyone know where I can find a tutorial in French for Konversation ?
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02:10<debnoob>Good evening, I'm looking for some help with fstab and mounting an ISO anyone on, good with mount?
02:11<JustSoul2>with -o loop
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02:11<suiside>debnoob: you want to mount it as a loopback device, 'man mount' for more info
02:11<debnoob>apparently thats the trick, but how would I form an FSTAB line
02:12<jm_>loop goes under options
02:12<debnoob>ok I'll try that..
02:12<debnoob>trying to mount my deb iso's since my burner is on the fritz and i still got the ISO on my drive
02:13<debnoob>this worked for me as rot
02:14<debnoob>mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test
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02:15<debnoob>so it would be fril.iso /mnt/test -o loop-t iso9660 0 0
02:15<debnoob>or doI need more?
02:16<JustSoul2>jm_: just "loop,iso9660" w/o -o & -t ?
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02:17<debnoob>/home/me/file.iso /mnt/test loop,iso9660 w/o -o & -t
02:17<jm_>JustSoul2: no, iso9660 is not a mount option, it goes in a different field
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02:17<jm_>compare it to existing entries
02:19<debnoob>/file.iso /mnt/test loop,iso9660 ro -o & -t
02:19<debnoob>oh... what about the -o -t switches
02:19<debnoob>not needed?
02:19<debnoob>I could put ro,user
02:19<JustSoul2>jm_: ~/moo.iso /mnt/moo iso9660 loop,ro 0 0
02:20<debnoob>ah thanks
02:20<JustSoul2>may be )
02:21<debnoob>sounds good, seems to make sense, I'll try it...
02:21<JustSoul2>wait for 1-2 minutes, i'll check
02:22<JustSoul2>looks correct
02:23<debnoob>didn't seem to work, must be something wrong with my mount point
02:23<twb>The /mnt tree is reserved for admin use; endemic mounts (such as those in fstab) should use /media.
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02:24<JustSoul2>~/moo.iso /MountPoint auto loop,ro 0 0
02:25<twb>Also, I strongly doubt ~/ has meaning in fstab.
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02:25<debnoob>I think it was just anexample,
02:26<twb>An example that's wrong isn't very useful.
02:27<debnoob>I believe when he wrote ~/moo.iso he meant replace ~ with my path to moo.iso
02:27<debnoob>I understood it
02:28<simonrvn>no, it means something specific
02:28<debnoob>perhaps, u I don't think that was his meaning in this instance.
02:28<JustSoul2>no, it's means, that's I need a coffee
02:28<debnoob>to err is human
02:28<debnoob>Be back in a few minutes... i want to try out a few things
02:29<debnoob>thanks for al your insight
02:29<JustSoul2>mount -a ?
02:29<debnoob>excuse my bad typing I need a new keyboard
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02:30<twb>simonrvn: oh?
02:30<twb>simonrvn: ~ has special meaning in fstab?
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02:31<twb>Incidentally, ISO9660 is a poor choice of filesystem for a read-only loopback archive.
02:31<simonrvn>twb: no, i was seconding what you said. ~/ means your own ~user
02:31<twb>cramfs or ext2 would be better.
02:31<twb>simonrvn: OK.
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02:52<silent> is it effective, or at all safe to use an ext 3 or 4 filesystem on an SD memory card?
02:55<twb>There's not really any point in doing so.
02:55<twb>The third and fourth revisions add features that aren't much use for such media.
02:56<twb>If you have hardware-based write thingying, which most modern units do, then you can use any filesystem safely.
02:56<twb>Otherwise you need... jffs, I think.
02:57<jm_>yeah, modern devices will often use wear leveling algorithms for it, so it shouldn't matter much
02:58<peterS>I wouldn't call it 'safe' to use ext4 for anything at all
02:58<peterS>well, I mean, who knows - but it isn't meant to be a production filesystem yet, last I heard
03:00<twb>wear levelling, that's what I meant.
03:00<twb>ext4 is as safe as reiserfs!! :P
03:00<twb>XFS without a UPS, hee hee.
03:01<silent>I have an ext3 partition on a flash drive managing my entire file server
03:01<silent>It's a fairly new system... though low quality
03:02<silent>it manages 3 sata disks on lvm
03:02<silent>I don't want to have to recover data on the server
03:02<peterS>as for flash and wear leveling, I figure if a drive is designed to work with FAT, it's got all the wear leveling it needs. the FAT (the actual file allocation table from which the filesystem gets its name) is updated on _every_ file write, after all.
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03:03<silent>the flash drive is a dell 512 mb drive that came with my brothers fairly new dell laptop
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03:07<Supaplex>I use to have flash for /boot. all the remaining disks were sata using lvm+raid
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03:09<twb>peterS: indeed, that is probably why we now benefit from hardware wear levelling support -- because "mainstream" consumers are too stupid to use an appropriate filesystem.
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03:11<peterS>twb: I dunno, what's the alternative? NTFS has got to be overkill for most removable media
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03:12<twb>Well, we're assuming that non-stupid consumers would be using an OS that supports more than three filesystems
03:13<Supaplex>and theres always someone trying to use it for swap
03:14<JustSoul2>yo, I boot my md0 w/o sda (on VM)
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03:19<tricky> anyone have any idea why i cant see ansi/high ascii in any of my terminals? (running debian etch)
03:19<tricky> same in x and text console\
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03:19<tricky>color is fine, just no block/line chars, etc.
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03:23<twb>block and line characters are not part of ASCII.
03:24<jm_>tricky: did you verify if your font has them? or maybe try fonts like sabvga, vga, etc.
03:24<JustSoul2>jm_: thx very much again
03:24<jm_>JustSoul2: no worries
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03:28<tricky>\jm: i have tried sabvga, vga, etc
03:28<tricky>i think its a terminal problem?
03:28<jm_>tricky: they work fine for me - how are you testing it?
03:29<tricky>with bitchx and epic
03:29<jm_>uhh let me try
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03:29<tricky>i keep seeing things regarding ESC(U vs ESC(R
03:29<tricky>i think that has to do w/ it?
03:29<jm_>that's for console only
03:29<tricky>well i cant see them in console either btw
03:29<jm_>we used that regularly in the old days, some IRC clients even had it built-in :)
03:29<tricky>its been driving me nuts for about a wk now
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03:30<tricky>everything else on the system is FINE
03:30<tricky>just this highascii problem
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03:30<tricky>and i'd really like to be able to see the proper chars in my crap when on irc
03:30<tricky>ya know
03:30<jm_>it looks like it works for me in bitchx
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03:31<tricky>can i see your xorg.conf?
03:31<jm_>does /wii use those chars?
03:31<tricky>well bitchx alone will probably look fine
03:31<tricky>youll have to load a script
03:31<tricky>like cypress or amnesiac
03:32<jm_>let's try that then
03:32<tricky>althought i think /wii does use line chars
03:32<tricky>the default wii i mean
03:34<jm_>don't see a big change with cyp.bx loaded
03:34<hever>Hello I'm running Apache2 with mod_fcgid and suexec. I got an error that fcgid can't connect to apache unix domain socket. The socket has the permission srwx------ and the owner is www-data. Sure with this permissions it's not possible to connect as an other user than www-data (suexec). What can I do to get it run ?
03:35<tricky>jMCg: did the cypress logo show up properly?
03:35<tricky>er jm_
03:36<jm_>tricky: it didn't show it
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03:36<twb>It's *not* ASCII!
03:36<serge>Hello! Does anybody has experience using SNPP? We need enable our linux project to communicate 2-way SMS with mobile users. I'm reading sendpage documentation... The wireless provider gave us the folloving: IP:port -- it's clear, but login/passwd, ton: 49, npi: 2, data_coding = 4 -- I don't know where to type these settings. Is sendpage is right choice? Which SNPP client is the best?
03:37<tricky>twb: highascii and ansi are the same thing
03:37<tricky>this is aggravating the crud out of me.
03:37<jm_>ahh it's supposed to go in ~/cyp, how annoying
03:38<twb>tricky: are you referring to ANSI X3.4-1986?
03:38<jm_>yeah I think it looks fine
03:39<tricky>jm_: can i see your xorg.conf
03:39<jm_>tricky: wait
03:40<tricky>twb: i'm referring to any and all block/line/etc chars dubbed as ANSI or high-ascii, regardless of what we want to call them, the problem here is i am unable to see them in all of my terms =]
03:41<twb>It matters what you call them because if you set your encoding incorrectly then no codepoint is defined for them, and thus they cannot be displayed by your terminal emulator.
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03:41<twb>Specifically, ISO 8859 does not support line drawing characters; UTF-8 does.
03:42<tricky>twb: yessir. i'm set to utf8
03:43<twb>So you should be referring to the "box drawing" characters.
03:43<twb>Sorry, "box drawing range".
03:43<tricky>my bad
03:44<tricky>you know what i'm referring to tho :P
03:44<twb>Exercise your polyglossy! Say "mea culpa" instead of "my bad"!
03:44<JustSoul2>Is it possible to change user permissions for linux client from MS AD?
03:44<tricky>twb: you funny
03:44<tricky>twb: you'd be funnier if you could fix my issue tho!
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03:46<twb>You're going about it all wrong. You have to say "linux is so shit, it can't display box drawing characters properly. It works fine on OS X!!"
03:47<twb>tricky: you are using X?
03:49<tricky>yes i'm using xwin
03:50<twb>What is xwin?
03:51<twb>I can find no package referring to "xwin" in Debian.
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03:53<Supaplex>twb: xorg?
03:54<twb>He *might* mean that, but if I simply assume he means Xorg, I could spend half an hour trying to solve the wrong problem.
03:54<twb>Certainly xserver-xorg makes no reference to \<xwin\>
03:54<Supaplex>tricky: twb is asking you want you mean by xwin.
03:55<Supaplex>twb: granted. pffft.
03:55<Supaplex>yup. typos abound :)
03:55<tricky>yes i mean xorg
03:55<tricky>sorry im switching between machines
03:55<twb>What terminal emulator are you using?
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03:57<tricky>at the moment gnome terminal
03:57<tricky>but it's not working in any of the terms including the console.
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03:59<twb>Within gnome-terminal, what is the value of the TERM environment variable?
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04:02<tricky>twb: xterm
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04:12<twb>tricky: what client application is generating these box drawing characters?
04:14<tricky>twb bitchx and epic, but ansi files dont display properly when i cat them either
04:14<tricky>however mc displays line chars.
04:15<twb>You say that mc is working?
04:15<tricky>it is in gnome-terminal
04:15<tricky>not in xterm
04:15<tricky>same w/ aptitude
04:15<twb>If only some apps are working, then your apps are misconfigured.
04:17<tricky>twb: jm_ ironed me out.
04:17<twb>Note that bitchx is abandoned and will not be in the next release.
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04:17<tricky>note that im using bx for testing and i prefer to use epic/amn
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04:17<twb>Well, I am not familiar with either client.
04:18<twb>It may be that they do not support box drawing at all.
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04:20<jMCg>tricky: nope, didn't.
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04:21<tricky>jm_: mouse support in text console, help?
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04:21<twb>tricky: install gpm
04:23<tricky>jm_: is there a way to attach that line you gave me that worked to the shortcut to xterm?
04:23<jm_>tricky: probably, you could start it via a shell script if all else fails
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04:24<twb>jm_: what line?
04:24<jm_>maybe check properties for it if you can specify environment for it somewhere
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04:27<tricky>twb: this one LANG=C LC_ALL=C xterm -fn sabvga
04:27<tricky>fixed the problem w/ ansi.
04:27<jm_>we did some other important things before too :)
04:27<twb>The environment variables go in your .profile or .bash_profile
04:27<tricky>but that was the kicker
04:27<twb>Or if you have $ENV set, they are best to go in there.
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04:28<twb>echo XTerm\*font: sabvga >>~/.Xdefaults
04:28<jm_>I shall try this at home where I use utf8
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04:28<twb>Then make sure .Xdefaults is sourced with xrdb(1) in your X start script -- gdm and startx probably do that automatically.
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04:29<twb>xrbd ~/.Xdefaults & in .xsession or similar otherwise
04:29<jm_>nope, .Xresources
04:30*Supaplex tags the epson stylus photo 780 printer for the scrap heap
04:30<twb>jm_: you can explain the difference between the two?
04:30<jm_>twb: nope, I simply do ln -s .Xresources .Xdefaults because I can never remember which is used
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04:31<jm_>twb: but startx will import .Xresources only by default
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04:31<twb>Similarly it depends what version of gdm you run as to whether it looks for .Xclient, .xsession or .xinitrc
04:31<twb>Stupid bastards...
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04:32<sheldonh>k3b sees "Empty DVD-R medium" in the main window's device list, but the "burn CD Image" window insists on "Please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium...
04:33<sheldonh>surely i can burn an iso9660 image to dvd instead of cd?
04:33<twb>sheldonh: wodim dev=/dev/cdrw foo.iso
04:33<jm_>time to switch to growisofs
04:34<sheldonh>i've gotten quite attached to clickety click over the last year :)
04:35<sheldonh>i'm just worried that my upgrade to sid has borken something clever i did to make dvd writing work. i'm pretty sure when i started with debian etch, i had to do something a little off the wall (but maybe it was just including non-free in sources)
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04:35<jm_>sheldonh: maybe the problem is in selecting "burn CD image" as opposed to "burn DVD image"?
04:36<jm_>if there is such a thing that is
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04:37<sheldonh>jm_: nope, k3b simply uses the notion "burn directly"
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04:40<jm_>sheldonh: did you check BTS?
04:40<sheldonh>jm_: doh, good idea, thanks
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04:42<jm_>wow surprisingly few bugs for k3b
04:42<twb>I bet it's a coverup
04:46<jm_>nicely handled :P
04:47<tricky> (twb ) Then make sure .Xdefaults is sourced with xrdb(1) in your X start script -- gdm and startx probably do that automatically.
04:47<tricky>^ confused
04:47<tricky>im checking startx and theres no xrdb ref'd
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04:50<twb>tricky: it's in /etc/X11/Xsession
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04:50<twb>Oops, no it's not.
04:50<jm_>it is on Etch, sourcing is in Xsession.d/30xfreesomething
04:51<tricky>/etc/X11/Xsession ref's $HOME/.Xresources
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04:51<jm_>(it is = the filename which is sourced)
04:51<twb>In /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources
04:52<jm_>ahh it looks like I have lots of old files there
04:52<jm_>some are from x11-common, some from xfree86-common
04:53<tricky>so if i ln -s .Xresources .Xdefaults i should be okay?
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04:53<jm_>tricky: yes
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04:54<twb>If you're using startx on Debian just call it .Xresources and you'll be fine
04:54<jm_>with that all your xterms will use sabvga font
04:55<sheldonh>twb: good call on switching to cli tools -- nothing to do with k3b
04:55<tricky>giving her a good reboot. we'll see what happens
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04:57<jm_>sheldonh: seen that bug?
04:58<tricky>didn't work
04:59<tricky>ill just make a shell script for that command line i guess
04:59<twb>You need to restart X.
04:59<sheldonh>jm_: not quite the same thing, i don't think. i've been through most of them now
04:59<tricky>twb: i just rebooted.
04:59<jm_>sheldonh: but the picture shows exactly the same thing I think
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04:59<sheldonh>jm_: it doesn't matter what you call the medium, the problem is that the Start button can't be clicked on :)
05:00<sheldonh>jm_: the pic in the bug report isn't of the "Burn CD image" window
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05:00<jm_>sheldonh: ahh I misunderstood it then, the bug really was about changing the error text, I thought he wanted to do the same as you
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05:00<tricky>if i wanted the script to close the term the command for the new xterm is being called from after opening xterm
05:00<tricky>how would i do that
05:01<thctlo2>good moring everybody
05:01<twb>tricky: I don't understand.
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05:01<twb>If you're using a stupid wanker GUI, why not just make a .desktop file?
05:01<tricky>twb: like if i made a script called bxterm which contained "LANG=C LC_ALL=C xterm -fn sabvga"
05:02<sheldonh>wodim says "wodim: Track 1 has unknown length." when trying to write to dvd. just not my day, i guess
05:02<sheldonh>i hate change
05:02<tricky>and after it executed that
05:02<tricky>i wanted to close the term i ran that command from
05:02<twb>exec bxterm
05:02<twb>Sorry, bxterm & exit
05:02<jm_>or maybe bxterm &!
05:03<tricky>& exit didnt work
05:03<jm_>not sure that works in bash
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05:04<tricky>btw, it gives me a session mgr error when i run it
05:04<tricky>how do i make it ignore the session mgr
05:05<thctlo2>hi, i have a question. Im using nsswitch to see my ldap users, getent passwd, getent shadow and getent groups shows all of my users, but when i try to login with one of these users im unable to login.
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05:06<twb>thctlo2: what do the logfiles say?
05:06<thctlo2>worng username/password, but im 100000 % sure my username and password is correct
05:07<jm_>tricky: I have no idea, I don't use GNOME
05:07<twb>I assume you're using pam_ldap or something
05:07<twb>jm_: he's probably talking about spurious dbus errors
05:07<thctlo2>pam_ldap is installed and configure, same as libnss-ldap
05:07<twb>s/errors/warnings/, rather
05:07<twb>thctlo2: OK.
05:07<twb>thctlo2: I dunno then
05:08<tricky>Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Auth Rejected, reason : None of ther auth protocols specified are supported and host-based auth failed
05:08<sheldonh>how weird. module-assistant builds nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686_100.14.19-1+2.6.23-2 from nvidia-kernel-source_169.07-1!
05:08<thctlo2>is it still nessesary to configure the /etc/pam.d/modules ? i didnt do that op this server
05:09<thctlo2>i need the unix auth for my login, thats because of the mail application im using ( )
05:10<sheldonh>sid seems to want a lot more babysitting than i was expecting
05:11<sheldonh>the irony is, i'm trying to burn an ubuntu cd to see if it works out on this laptop hardware ;)
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05:11<twb>thctlo2: according to my records, I edit the following files: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf /etc/libnss-ldap.conf, /etc/libnss-ldap.secret, /etc/pam_ldap.conf, /etc/pam_ldap.secret, /etc/pam.d/common-account, /etc/pam.d/common-auth, /etc/pam.d/common-password, /etc/pam.d/common-session.
05:12<sheldonh>ha, what an idiot i am. left out the dev= from the wodim cli
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05:14<thctlo2>could work, but im using a replicated ldap server and i use md5 as password hash, these users are my samba users. very nice script anyway, i'll keep a copie of it..
05:15<thctlo2>( ow and its my 5th ldap replica ) ;-)
05:16<thctlo2>but so i understand i better, even if getent passwd shows all users, i still need pam.d/modules configured.
05:16<twb>I don't know
05:16<twb>I haven't touched that code in years
05:16<twb>When I was writing it I didn't really understand it
05:17<thctlo2>your script configs looks ook to me, i have pretty the same config exept for the crypt hash and the pam.d/modules atm.
05:19<Baggy>Are core files disabled by default in the current version of debian?
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05:21<jm_>Baggy: hmm don't think so
05:22<twb>ulimit -c unlimited, or something
05:22<jm_>yeah or some large number
05:22<twb>See also /etc/security/limits.conf
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05:46<sheldonh>reportbug is the shit
05:48<sheldonh>ha, there's my issue, already reported: #459848
05:48<jm_>hmm I could add /bts bla ;)
05:50<twb>Reportbug doesn't work on Ubuntu. I consider that a release-critical error for the whole of Ubuntu.
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06:00<tricky>aterm > xterm
06:02<tricky>i couldnt use alt+# to switch windows
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06:03<sheldonh>bts doesn't want "me too's", right?
06:03<jm_>you can configure it to do so
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06:05<hever_>Hello. My /var/www is readable by everybody. My Apache is using suexec and fcgid. At the moment every php script can explore the whole /var/www (The subdirectories are secure.) What can I do to prevent this ? I don't want that a PHP user can see which other users and directories are on the system...
06:05<hever_>and therefore perhaps accessible via web or other things
06:06<mjt>are you sure you really need that? There's nothing wrong for a script to *see* what's in /var/www, usually
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06:06<mjt>but if you are, just chmod o-r /var/www
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06:07<mjt>note that your scripts can see your whole system, not only /var/www
06:09<hever_>mjt: I think its a bit a security problem if the user can see whats all on the system. For example a customer should not see which other customers are hosted on this server...
06:09<mjt>ok, here's my question, as well. After switching locale setting from /etc/environment to /etc/default/locale, $LANG etc aren't being set, it seems. /etc/pam.d/* mentions with /etc/default/locale, but somehow it does not act on that file, however it reads the file. How it's supposed to work?
06:10<hever_>Sure its not really insecure.
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06:10<mjt>so see above when ;) Both chmod and a note ;)
06:11<jm_>mjt: how are you logging in?
06:11<mjt>jm_: various - login, su, ssh
06:12<mjt>i just straced su - it opens/reads /etc/default/locale (with LANG=xxx), but in shell LANG is unset.
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06:12<jm_>mjt: did you verify pam_env is uncommented in /etc/pam.d for login, su and ssh?
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06:13<mjt>yes it is
06:13<jm_>right, the above more or less confirms it
06:13<mjt>or else why it reads that file? ;)
06:13<mjt>(there's no other relevant mentions of that file in /etc)
06:14<mjt>session required readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale
06:14<mjt>in /etc/pam.d/su
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06:14<jm_>does strace -v show it being set when execve occurs?
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06:16<jm_>try debug option for pam_env
06:16<mjt>hmm scratch that
06:16<mjt>it is
06:16<jm_>right so maybe shell is unsetting it?
06:16<mjt>it's in there - execve(..., "LANG=..."
06:16<N1ghtCrawler>Someone using pisg? Wondering where i shoult put the pisg.cfg..
06:17<mjt>jm_: ok, silly me, thanks for the pointer... digging further
06:17<mjt>(i was thinnking about pam_env)
06:18<hever_>mjt: Now I have the permissions set to executable and not readable by others. That means that nobody other can read for example a text file but execute a script, yes ?
06:18<jm_>hmm looks like it's not as easy to call irssi commands defined in a script from another script
06:18<mjt>hever_: nope
06:19<mjt>hever_: x for a directory means ACCESS files in there by name
06:19<mjt>without x you can't read/execute/etc anything within that dir
06:19<mjt>not even dir/. ;)
06:20<mjt>but r means just list contents of the directory
06:20<mjt>so your scripts will be unable to enumerate what's in there, but knowing a (file)name, they will still be able to access that
06:21<mjt>and here it's mostly all or nothing. You can't remove x from the top-level dir or else your users will not be able to see their own files.
06:22<hever_>mjt: ok thats what I want to know. That means also it is possible to write a script which could test which directories are exist and which not, also if there are no access permissions to it ?
06:22<mjt>brute-force everything ;)
06:22<hever_>mjt: yes I see removin the x is not a good idea
06:22<mjt>try every possible combination of numbers and letters...
06:23<mjt>but i still don't think you're doing the right thing.
06:23<hever_>mjt: ok but I think at the moment its enough to remove the readable flag.
06:23<mjt>you should secure the content of the subdirectories, so that one user can't see files from other users
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06:24<hever_>mjt: thats still so
06:24<mjt>and that should be enough
06:24<mjt>there are other ways to see who's in there, after all
06:24<hever_>mjt: but I also want that the user can't see (in a simple way) which other directories are there
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06:24<mjt>it's called security by obscurity
06:25<hever_>The best thing would be to chroot each virtual host but I read something that this is not possible under apache
06:25<mjt>nothing's wrong with seeing something, as long as it's impossible to get.
06:25<walid>السلام عليكم
06:25<mjt>yeah it's not (practically) possible, because apache is shared between users
06:26<walid>حد من مصر
06:26<walid>بقول حد من مصر يا مستحدمي يوبونتو
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06:26<mjt>hey, your charset is wrong...
06:26<padski>mjt: you know there are two schools of thought on that one.
06:26<dpkg>somebody said eg was Egypt
06:27<dpkg>i guess arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See
06:27<walid>yes im
06:27<padski>there are usually directions to an appropriate irc channel for the language :-(
06:27<mjt>well ok
06:28<riboflavin>hello there
06:28<riboflavin>what is the command to see how many line is the output?for example like dmesg,how can i see how many line of output it produced?
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06:29<mjt>i didn't think of arabic. The thing is that i'm russian, and quite often various people try to talk with me in russian in irc. But cyrillic is bad wrt number of charsets in use, and almost always it's done the wrong way... So I thought walid is trying russian too... ;)
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06:29<hever_>mjt: by the way I'm going to use mod_chroot at the moment to come away from having a (www) world readable system by a php browser script.
06:29<padski>mjt: I lookup the country of the AS
06:30<riboflavin>thanks jm_
06:30<mjt>i've seen walid is from egipt
06:30<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
06:30<mjt>but russians are everywhere (as probably every other nation) ;)
06:31<padski>sure, but that is arabic
06:31<mjt>just yesterday i was talking with a russian guy living in egipt
06:31<mjt>and it turned out it's MY system that doesn't support those (arabic) chars, after all
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06:32<walid>the arabic is the mst familiar than any language
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06:33<walid>do any body know how to read it
06:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, arabeyes is a project aimes to bring the Arabic Language into various UNIX Systems, it can be found at and #arabeyes
06:33<padski>walid: perhaps try #arabeyes for irc in arabic ?
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06:34<walid>ok thanks
06:34<mjt>arabic should be.... difficult, as it reads "backwards" compared to most other languages the computers are "used to"
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06:36<mjt>ghrm... So here's the next question with $LANG&stuff. I've set unicode for the console, but when I switch from X, the screen loses all the fonts and mappings, it seems. Is there a way to work arund this?
06:36<mjt>around, even
06:37<mjt>the screen looks... awful after switching from X, with all the square boxes in place of every char... ;)
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06:40<mjt>google suggests there are.. issues with that, but all mentions of this prob are quite dated.
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06:59<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team, what is the usual method to log in as root into an X session???
06:59<jm_>X session started by user?
07:00<AndyJ_Australia>Yes, switch user just says not allowed
07:00<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as root. aptitude install sux and documentation at . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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07:15<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... I'm struggling to add the PPD driver for a new Kyocera printer via the X desktop tools.
07:15<AndyJ_Australia>I've followed the process, can see the printer on the network, but the PPD file doesn't seem to have added the printer to the list.
07:15<ShaiGar>Gday, I'm trying something new "Installing Debian onto i386 networkboot" and I'm looking for any tips people might have, even if it's RTFM, just a bit of information on where I could find TFM
07:16<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: alternative is to use lpadmin command
07:16<AndyJ_Australia>Hi jm. I'll have a look
07:16<Baggy>Is it possible add an environment dir link so that I can fool my embedded environment to think that my ramdisk folder is actually a part of the read only filesystem?
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07:16<Tarcas>Baggy, can't you just mount your ramdisk -ro?
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07:17<ShaiGar>NM, just found tfm
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07:20<Baggy>Tarcas: I've got an app that's looking for a folder that should've been in the read only file system. I cannot add data at that path, and I cannot change the search path of the app.. I need to trick it somehow, else I need to compile a new disk image...
07:20<jm_>you can bind mount it
07:20<twb>Why can't you just copy the read-only tree to a writable area?
07:20<jm_>ahh bind mount might not help if path doesn't exist already
07:21<twb>The only way to avoid the copy/edit/recompile process for editing read-only filesystems is to use unionfs or aufs
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07:23<AndyJ_Australia>jm lpadmin looks pretty bleak compared to what I'm trying to do.
07:23<Baggy>and err.. when I wrote ramdisk folder earlier, I meant an actual folder that I've created in memory, bad typing..
07:23<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: how so?
07:23<twb>Yay for bleakness
07:24<jm_>Baggy: you didn't
07:24<AndyJ_Australia>It's a brand new, network enabled, duplex printer.
07:24<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: that's largely irrelevant
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07:24<AndyJ_Australia>I'd like it to be part of the X environment
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07:25<jm_>alternative is to add printer via cups gui, stop cups, copy .ppd over, start cups
07:25<AndyJ_Australia>I've had a look at the man page
07:25<lupine_85>cpus ftw
07:25<lupine_85>CUPS ftw
07:25<jm_>it will be accessible the same way as when added via GUI
07:25<AndyJ_Australia>assuming I can find it on the network.
07:25<AndyJ_Australia>smb doesn't think it's there
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07:26<jm_>maybe it's usable via socket like jetdirect printers?
07:27<AndyJ_Australia>I can see it on the network as km-netprinters
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07:28<AndyJ_Australia>cups is the tool I'm using to try and add the printer
07:28<AndyJ_Australia>gnome-cups manager
07:29<AndyJ_Australia>Following the add printer steps, but the printer model doesn't appear on the list.
07:30<AndyJ_Australia>I've added the ppd file, but can't find a way to get cups to see it.
07:30<jm_>yeah, in that case use one f the two alternatives I mentioned
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07:31<AndyJ_Australia>yep, well i'm working through the cups gui version, and have added the ppd, but can't find the missing step that lets me select it.
07:31<jm_>not familiar with that
07:32<AndyJ_Australia>the cups gui (Add Printer) has a button to add driver
07:32<AndyJ_Australia>I've added the driver, and if I try to do it again, the response is "Driver is already installed"
07:32<AndyJ_Australia>Yet I can't find it on the list.
07:32<jm_>maybe it added it under different section in the list?
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07:33<AndyJ_Australia>Possible, it's just a list of manufacturers and printers within that.
07:33<AndyJ_Australia>I'll have a look in case it's appeared under a different mfr
07:33<jm_>right - see /usr/share/cups, maybe find -mtime -60 it
07:34<AndyJ_Australia>will do
07:35<AndyJ_Australia>interesting... the driver file appears in /usr/share/cups/model
07:35<jm_>hmm, directly?
07:36<AndyJ_Australia>It's one of three ppd files in that directory
07:36<jm_>grep it for Manufacturer
07:36<Tarcas>ah, mount the ramdisk as the folder where your writable file should be.
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07:38<Tarcas>Baggy: You may have to copy out your file to a temp location to get it to the ramdisk first. But now I need to get to work, so I'm out.
07:38<AndyJ_Australia>jm: interesting manufacturer does not appear in the file, I'll have a look at a the other ones and see if I can just add a line.
07:38<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: did you look under other?
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07:39<[padykes]>i need help what raid controller works with debian?
07:39<[padykes]>promise sx4060 dont works :(
07:40<AndyJ_Australia>jm: found it! It's under an item called PCPI
07:40<jm_>[padykes]: 3ware, areca
07:40<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: quality
07:40<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: quality?
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07:40<[padykes]>high point working with debian?
07:40<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: yes, very descriptive item, isn't it?
07:40<[padykes]>if you can tel me model plz..
07:41<qwe>How experimental differs from unstable?
07:41<jm_>experimental is only a very minor set of packages
07:41<qwe>jm_: What else differences?
07:42<jm_>!tell qwe -about experimental
07:42<[padykes]>wheare i can get list what debians works raid controllers?
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07:49<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: I'm having trouble determining the printer's URI
07:49<AndyJ_Australia>On the network I can see smb://km-netprinters/
07:50<AndyJ_Australia>the printer calls itself \\KM752DE9\Printer
07:50<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: well you'll need to know how the printer is accessible for that
07:51<jm_>so use smb syntax then, smb://server/sharename for smb
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07:51<jm_>or this if it needs username/password smb://user:pass@server/sharename
07:52<twb>Yay for cleartext auth
07:53<jm_>that requires smbclient
07:53<NewToLinux>hi everyone
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07:53<NewToLinux>ive been intnerested into getting into a unix administration role but im not sure where to start
07:54<NewToLinux>what variant should i be learning unix/linux/or sun? I find more Sun Systems are commonly used in corporatiions
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07:57<AndyJ_Australia>The printer is it's own server (built in network card) but I haven't found a way to get it to identify itself in a smb friendly manner yet.
07:57<jm_>does documentation mention any other methods?
07:57<jm_>maybe try telnet printerip 9100
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07:59<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: So far doco is a bit light on linux - i.e. We support linux yay! install process not debian friendly... looking for many things that I don't have
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07:59<AndyJ_Australia>trying various versions of the smb:// URI
08:00<AndyJ_Australia>NetToLinux: I'm not ignoring you, just can't help.
08:00<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: try the telnet
08:00<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ will do.
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08:06<NewToLinux>thanks for replying anderson_s
08:06<NewToLinux>AndyJ_Australia :)
08:06<AndyJ_Australia>OK. I've telneted to the printer
08:06<NewToLinux>Do you any channels on this server where I can ask for assistance
08:06<jm_>on port 9100?
08:06<NewToLinux>I never thought you could telnet on to a printer?
08:06<AndyJ_Australia>oops. there should have been a colon in there. BRB
08:06<JasonS>NewToLinux: seeing as this is #debian we of course will suggest you learn debian for a more nonbiased answer perhaps you can try ##linux
08:06<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: bear with me for a sec, and I'll share my extremely limited knowledge
08:07<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: Dang! I can't get out of telnet!
08:08<ranix_>JasonS: we might tell him to use Ubuntu
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08:08<JasonS>ranix_: snicker
08:08<ranix_>oh ho ho
08:08<twb>AndyJ_Australia: pull the plug out of the back
08:08<ranix_>by the way, NewToLinux, ubuntu is a joke
08:08<twb>AndyJ_Australia: then hang up the phone
08:08<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: ctrl-] then q
08:09<AndyJ_Australia>Funny lads! Everthing I was trying in telnet was printing on the printer. Fun eh?
08:09<twb>AndyJ_Australia: that is called a teletype
08:09<ranix_>twb: beat me to it
08:09<twb>AndyJ_Australia: it's what people did before they invented TVs
08:09<AndyJ_Australia>Sure is: reminds me of 1985
08:09<ranix_>my grandmother was a teletype operator
08:09<ranix_>she was on the internet in 1928
08:09<AndyJ_Australia>teletype or teletext?
08:09<AndyJ_Australia>or telex?
08:09<ranix_>I don't know the difference
08:10<twb>Not teletext
08:10<AndyJ_Australia>Sorry: Joke.
08:10<twb>That's a European thing for downloading television programme listings over the analog television frequencies
08:10<ranix_>I like it
08:10<AndyJ_Australia>Doesn't look like it likes port 9100
08:10<twb>Last time I looked it was mostly for getting horse racing results
08:10<ranix_>is europe doing the forced-HD thing too?
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08:14<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: It probably doesn't matter much
08:14<pusling>hi. how do I debug not working sound ?
08:14<NewToLinux>i see
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08:14<twb>pusling: quietly
08:15<pusling>twb: haha. next step.
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08:15<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: I'm trying to remember what my stuff is running on at work, but so many tools are common.
08:15<twb>linux-sound-base is installed?
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08:15<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: BSD is more like UNIX, but all the varieties of Linux are UNIX-like
08:16<twb>UNIX the name or UNIX the software?
08:16<NewToLinux>OK so what do you rrecommend?
08:16<twb>The two are only vaguely related.
08:16<ranix_>I dislike the bsd drivelabels
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08:16<pusling>twb: yes. it is a debian desktop installation (upgraded to unstables)
08:16<ranix_>NewToLinux: we recommend Debian
08:16<JasonS>thought i said that all ready heh
08:16<AndyJ_Australia>Are you running linux at home? Which version?
08:17<ranix_>NewToLinux: I also recommend installing NetBSD on a handheld device, though
08:17<ranix_>and checking out FreeBSD is not a bad idea
08:17<padski>twb: UNIX-like is a recognizable term. see wikipedia etc.
08:17<twb>padski: he didn't say "UNIX-like"
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08:17<twb>Well, not in regard to BSD
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08:17<NewToLinux>BSD = UNIX or BSD = Sun?
08:18<twb>Solaris is a BSD-style system.
08:18<ranix_>NewToLinux: I learned my way around a unix-like system by fumbling around in Debian first, then learning how to install NetBSD on a handheld computer, then I installed Slack and Fedora and FreeBSD on machines in my basement and went back to Debian. Been using Debian for a good long time now for doing work, and use a Windows computer for games
08:18<AndyJ_Australia>Sun = Solaris = BSD type
08:18<twb>Debian and other GNU/Linux distributions are closer to SysV than BSD.
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08:19<ranix_>NewToLinux: so my advice is start with Debian, then mess with BSD and slack, then go back to Debian. Stear clear of Jubumboo faggot linux
08:19<twb>NewToLinux: why do you care about Linux?
08:19<twb>NewToLinux: what distribution you choose depends on why you are using a computer in the first place.
08:19<NewToLinux>Ive done a few basic admin courses when i was youger and I had a passion for it
08:19<NewToLinux>I want to break into the admin fie;d
08:19<padski>twb: solaris is an svr4 descendant surely ?
08:20<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: If you're administering stuff on a corporate server, most things probably come with their own front-ends these days
08:20<NewToLinux>and it would add a nice compliment to my other skillsets?
08:20<twb>NewToLinux: it may be that you aren't experienced enough to cope with Linux at all; and would be better off starting with Free software applications on Windows (assuming you're used to Windos already.)
08:20<NewToLinux>i dont mind geting into the nitty gritty
08:20<NewToLinux>is there are resource that you guys are aware of which trainns you online free?
08:20<ranix_>NewToLinux: it's better to start using linux for a reason
08:20<dpkg>somebody said rute was the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition. A fantastic book that is available at, can be purchased at Borders, or install the 'rutebook' <non-free> package. It covers Linux in a very non-distribution specific method. The start of the book is "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing".
08:21<ranix_>NewToLinux: I used it because I hosed windows and was too lazy to ghost it
08:21<SharkMa-san>I've noticed that google is your best friend :P
08:21<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: It happens from time to time, my main work is software specs, user interfaces and testing, but I'm messing around in a couple of environments that let me install the application as the developers finish an iteration
08:21<AndyJ_Australia>This means basic scripts (bash) and basic unix commands
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08:22<AndyJ_Australia>If you're starting from scratch, try Unix in 24 hours
08:22<NewToLinux>ohh i see
08:22<twb>I strongly advise *not* using the SAMS "in 24 hours" series.
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08:22<NewToLinux>there is a sun system at work which backs up data to tape every day
08:22<AndyJ_Australia>twb: fair enough
08:23<NewToLinux>the unfortunate thing is that it doesnt send any email notifications
08:23<twb>If you must buy a dead tree textbook, O'Reilly are the most widely respected Free software publisher.
08:23<NewToLinux>do you think there is an eays way to send an email through scripting if the job was completed or not?
08:23<twb>NewToLinux: probably, but we do not support Solaris here.
08:23<twb>NewToLinux: try #solaris, I think, on
08:23<AndyJ_Australia>NewToLinux: yes. email is pretty basic functionality
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08:24<twb>AndyJ_Australia: it is a question of making the email subsystem hook into the tar system.
08:24<ranix_>solaris is different from Debian
08:24<twb>Solaris is *very* different to Debian.
08:24<ranix_>different from linux rather
08:24<ranix_>it's more different than BSD is different from Linux
08:24<jMCg>Or rather #OpenSolaris, because #Solaris is, as you can quite expect from a Unix channel, quite hostile ;)
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08:25<twb>jMCg: I doubt he's running OpenSolaris
08:25*jMCg should probably read backlog.. but yeah.
08:25<twb>But anyway, they can help him or redirect him as they see fit.
08:25<AndyJ_Australia>OK team, thanks for the support with this pesky printer! Wife is dropping serious hints.
08:25<jMCg>To at least....
08:25<twb>She sounds pretty clumsy
08:26<twb>You should trade her in for a new one
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08:26<AndyJ_Australia>PS> I do BA work because it pays _better_ than coding, sorry 'bout that. :-)
08:27<bored>hello ppl, we have about 40 machines in our network and each machine has about 40 gig free space.. any suggestion on how do put good use of it? can it somehow be used as a backup of the nfs servers we have
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08:29<twb>Bachelor of the Arts?
08:29<twb>bored: sounds like you want a distributed filesystem.
08:29<twb>bored: I'd start by looking at Plan9 and AFS.
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08:32<azeem_>twb: Plan9 is a distributed file system?
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08:32<twb>Plan9 is an operating system.
08:32<twb>It places emphasis on distributivity.
08:33<twb>bored: another thing you might try is to export each node as a network block device (ndb), then RAID5 the lot of them.
08:33<twb>Then you'd put a filesystem on the RAID5 array and re-export if as NFS or AFS.
08:33<azeem>twb: it's also pretty much non-mainstream and unusable compared to a modern Linux desktop
08:33<twb>This would bottleneck all I/O at the hub.
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08:33<twb>azeem: we aren't discussing desktops, and Plan9 is not a Linux.
08:34<azeem>it's also not Debian
08:34<ranix_>what is BA work
08:34<twb>ranix_: perhaps he meant DBA
08:34<jMCg>ranix_: Bachelor
08:35<twb>That would explain why he had no clue, and was also working with tape drives on a stinky old solari- oh wait, that was the other guy
08:35<ranix_>hey I use tape drives
08:35<ranix_>DLT is great with dump and restore
08:35<azeem>twb: AFAICT, bored said "we have about 40 machines in our network and each machine has about 40 gig free space"; he didn't say "please advise on the most obscure thing I could do with this"
08:35<ranix_>~200 gigs of space on each tape makes for quick and easy offsite backups of the engineering documents
08:35<ranix_>and 10 megs a second transfer speed is hot, also
08:36<twb>azeem: plonk
08:36<ranix_>what does "40 machines" mean
08:36<ranix_>does that mean they're running windows?
08:36<bored>ranix_, nope 40 machines with etch
08:36<ranix_>are they running laps?
08:37<ranix_>desktops, bored?
08:37<bored>ranix_, yes
08:37<ranix_>what do you use them for, just word processing?
08:37<bored>ranix_, the home folder is mounter via nfs so most of the space in the desktop goes unused
08:37<bored>ranix_, mounted*
08:38<padski>are there any plans to package Plan9 in Debian ?
08:38<azeem>padski: it's an operating system
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08:38<padski>azeem: so ?
08:38<azeem>padski: so what do you mean with "in Debian"?
08:38<ranix_>padski: so your question is nonsense
08:39<azeem>you don't package operating systems
08:39<ranix_>are there any plans to package Windows CE in Debian, azeem?
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08:39<azeem>at least Plan9 is Free Software for a couple of years now
08:39<padski>azeem: one might regard Linux and FreeBSD as an operating system
08:39<azeem>padski: they are
08:39<ranix_>one might?
08:40<pusling>azeem: you can port debian to plan9 when hurd gets released with debian
08:40<azeem>padski: Plan9 is pretty much source incompatible with the Unix-derived operating systems
08:40<ranix_>no POSIX libraries
08:40<padski>azeem: I know :-(
08:41<azeem>so why do you bring it up?
08:41<padski>azeem: it was a genuine question :-)
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08:41<azeem>well ok
08:41<azeem>padski: to reiterate, you don't package operating systems
08:42<ranix_>bored: I can't think of anything useful to do with that hard disk space off the top of my head
08:42<azeem>and as far as Plan9 is concerned, you'd probably have to start by reimplementing dpkg from scratch, dunno
08:42<jm_>might want to speed it up in the process ;)
08:42<ranix_>bored: you could mount them as NFS filesystems and raid them
08:43<padski>azeem: even the idea of porting dpkg style package management to plan9 might be enlightening :-)
08:43<bored>ranix_, hmm ok..
08:43<azeem>padski: yeah, but also off-topic here
08:43<ranix_>bored: keep in mind the chances of a single drive failing at any point is high. Maybe you can ask the clustered computing guys what they think
08:43<azeem>and it gives twb's trolling more credit
08:43<ranix_>is there a #beowulf or something in here
08:43<padski>azeem: fair point
08:44<twb>ranix_: youcan't raid filesystems
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08:45<twb>00:33 <twb> bored: another thing you might try is to export each node as a network block device (ndb), then RAID5 the lot of them.
08:45<twb>00:33 <twb> This would bottleneck all I/O at the hub.
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08:45<bored>how good is AFS? i keep hearing a lot about its features, y isnt it being used widely?
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08:45<azeem>bored: it's used widely in enterprise Unix stuff AFAIK
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08:46<azeem>t388130@lx64a2:~> mount | grep type.afs
08:46<azeem>AFS on /afs type afs (rw)
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08:46<pusling>hmm... on my brand new lenovo thinkcentre workstation, I can't get any proper sound output. Any advice on how to try to debug stuff ?
08:47<twb>bored: AFS is crap
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08:47<twb>bored: all existing network filesystems are crap
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08:47<koollman>"except this other one no-one as tested yet" ;)
08:48<twb>koollman: that's crap too, if only in terms of robustness
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08:48<koollman>I still have lustrefs on my personal test list
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08:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, video is interrupt 10h for the video BIOS
08:52<shardzez>whats good video editing software?
08:53<purplebob>cinelerra is supposed to be good
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09:12<myki>Hello, I have problem removing amule-deamon using apt. I get this error: "dpkg: error processing amule-daemon (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.Errors were encountered while processing:amule-daemon"
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09:13<myki>How do I fix it?
09:13<jm_>what state is it in?
09:13<dpalacio>>>you should reinstall it before attempting a removal
09:14<myki>jm_: rFT
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09:14<jm_>myki: try to reinstall it first
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09:16<myki>jm_: it fails as well with: "invoke-rc.d: initscript amule-daemon, action "stop" failed"
09:17<jm_>myki: ok, what does 'dpkg --pending --configure' do?
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09:21<Florian>hi folks
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09:21<highvoltage>hey Florian
09:21<Florian>is it the official debian IRC ?
09:21<myki> jm_: the same error as before
09:22<Florian>ok thx
09:22<jm_>myki: edit postinst script
09:22<N1ghtCrawler>Hello, i'm trying to extract phpbb3 on my server, when i extract it with bunzip2 i get a tarfile, when i try to extract the tarfile he says it's not a tarfile. What am i doing wrong?
09:22<myki>jm_: may you tell me more about this?
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09:23<jm_>myki: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst
09:23<jm_>N1ghtCrawler: run file on it
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09:23<Maulkin>N1ghtCrawler: installing phpbb, and manually at that. That's never a good idea.
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09:24<N1ghtCrawler>jm_: phpBB-3.0.0.tar: POSIX tar archive so it should work wit extracting with tar?
09:24<N1ghtCrawler>Maulkin: how should i do then?
09:24<jm_>N1ghtCrawler: if it's not corrupted yes
09:25<N1ghtCrawler>shouldent be, downloaded the file twice
09:25<padski>N1ghtCrawler: phpbb2 is in etch, you could apt-get install that
09:26<Maulkin>N1ghtCrawler: install phpbb from etch.
09:26<Maulkin>And that's if you really, really want phpbb on your system
09:26<N1ghtCrawler>w00t? Whi is that needed? Its just a bunch of php files?
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09:27<N1ghtCrawler>phpbb says on ther hompage that you should download and extract on the server
09:27<Maulkin>And *that* is the rason you don't want to install anythign yourself.
09:27<padski>N1ghtCrawler: it is called "package management", as in "dont fsck with"
09:27<Maulkin>It's also called "Do you want your server to be hacked?"
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09:28<N1ghtCrawler>and why should it be that if i install it manual? The webserver, php and mysql configuration is still the same
09:29<padski>not only do you want to avail yourself of the excellent security support in your distro, but do you want to get the best out of the support resources like irc and mailing lists
09:29<Florian>padski ...
09:29<padski>package management is how it is done, and the reasons are legion. without it you might as well go do LFS.
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09:30<Florian>If he prefer install it from scratch let him do
09:30<padski>Florian ?
09:30<padski>Florian: I can't stop him :-)
09:30<N1ghtCrawler>whell i think its a big differens between a application and a webbpage
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09:30<Florian>I agree with N1ghtCrawler phpbb is just a website
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09:31<Florian>N1ghtCrawler, what is the original filename of your archive ?
09:31<Florian>before bzip
09:31<N1ghtCrawler>o0 Florian phpBB-3.0.0.tar.bz2
09:32<jm_>it unpacks fine here
09:32<myki>what's the difference between #invoke-rc.d something start and /etc/init.d/something start? First one fails while latter is ok?
09:32<padski>myki: doesn't invoke-rc.d call policy-rc.d ?
09:32<jm_>myki: invoke-rc.d was called with stop, wasn't it?
09:32<N1ghtCrawler>when i extract it it becomes phpBB-3.0.0.tar
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09:32<Florian>tar xvjf phpBB-3.0.0.tar.bz2
09:32<padski>or something
09:33<Florian>N1ghtCrawler, try tar xvjf phpBB-3.0.0.tar.bz2
09:33<N1ghtCrawler>Florian: okay, will try that, i used bunzip2
09:33<myki>jm_: I don't know. While updating system I occured an error, which seems to be, where it invoke-rc.d fails
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09:34<Florian>the usual way for a or tar.gz is to do it by one pass only with tar
09:34<Florian>that doesn't explain why it failed but may succes
09:34<N1ghtCrawler>Florian: thanks a lot, worked ot good
09:34<myki>jm_: As amule-daemon.prerm states, it was called with stop
09:34<Florian>u welcome
09:34<Florian>N1ghtCrawler, have a nice phpbbing
09:35<padski>myki: anyways, man invoke-rc.d for an explanation
09:35<jm_>myki: was it prerm or postinst that failed? dpkg --configure shall call postinst AFAIK
09:35<N1ghtCrawler>Florian: i hope so too :P have to check out if 3 is any good
09:35<jm_>myki: others will help you, I have to go
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09:35<myki>jm_: it doesn't matter, in both theres invoke-rc.d amule-daemon start / stop
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09:39<sheldonh>i'm having a blond moment. how do i use control@bdo to watch a bug?
09:42<padski>sheldonh: is it nnn-subscribe@b.d.o ?
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09:42<sheldonh>bleh. control--
09:43<sheldonh>wishlist: reportbug should offer subscription
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09:43<padski>does that actually file a wishlist bug ? ;-)
09:43<sheldonh>wouldn't that be cool
09:44<sheldonh>reportbug reportbug
09:44<padski>depends which end of the gun you are looking at ;-)
09:44<padski>but yes, it might might be nice :-)
09:45<padski>wishlist: be able to send "subscribe nnn" to control@
09:45<sheldonh>padski: i was going to report a bug re nvidia-kernel-source, saw that it's already filed as #454724 and thought, gee, i'd like to know when there's movement on this
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09:47<padski>sheldonh: I do the same from time to time
09:48<sheldonh>hahaha! #329298 reportbug: querybts: offer to subscribe users
09:50<padski>xchat thinks that #nnn is a channel :-(
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10:02<malebria>Hello, is sid *very* unstable these days?
10:02<malebria>Or is it ok?
10:02<Maulkin>Sid is always very unstable.
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10:02<Maulkin>If you're asking, you shoudn't be installing it.
10:03<malebria>I've used sid for some for some years a time ago..
10:03<malebria>I stoped using it, and now I want to get back using it.
10:03<malebria>As I remember, it was sometimes more unstable than usual..
10:03<lupine_85>go for it, tiger
10:04<malebria>Usually just after releases.
10:04<Maulkin>Try it. But if it's not broken today, it may well be broken tomorrow :)
10:04<malebria>Ok, I'll just try it.
10:04<Infinito>hey guys, do you know some big heavy well-known internet services, webportals etc that are currently hosted on linode ?
10:06<Infinito>I need examples to help convince my covenanter.. :p
10:06<Infinito>forget everthing I said
10:06<Infinito>wrong channel
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10:15<akille_k_25>chi mi aiuta pls
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10:15<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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10:17<jdt>Hi, just wondering whether there is a channel for Debian Unstable (Sid) users?
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10:18<petemc>jdt: this the official debian support channel
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10:19<jdt>petemc: Thanks - I thought that Sid users where not supposed to post here tho? only Debian Stable users?
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10:20<petemc>jdt: well, the idea is, if you're using sid, you should know what you're doing - of course thats not always the case. just ask, the worst that can happen is you being mocked
10:20<jdt>petemc: Thanks :) Well here goes..
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10:22<jdt>I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on the issue where by ones wireless adapter is recognised as wlan0_rename, and works fine, however eth2 which is supposed to be the wireless interface has no wireless extentions. This is using iwlwifi.
10:22<petemc>you can rename interfaces as you please
10:23<dpkg>from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
10:23<petemc>does debian use /etc/iftab?
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10:24<jdt>I have no /etc/iftab file or directory on my system
10:24<themill>jdt: iwlwifi usually has wlan0 and wmaster0 where wlan0 is the wireless device not eth2, unless you've tried to rename the iface already.
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10:26<jdt>themill: I haven't tried to rename yet, so far I was going down the track that petemc suggested, as this is consistent with most of what I have found googling.. I have eth1, eth2 which does nothing, wlan0_rename and lo interfaces
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10:27<themill>jdt: what version of the iwlwifi drivers are you using?
10:28<jdt>I get this error when the network is loading: "net wlan0_rename: device_rename: sysfs_create_symlink failed (-17)
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10:28<jdt>themill: I am using iwlwifi 1.2.23
10:29<jdt>however, the interesting thing is udev renames wmaster0 to eth1 without a problem
10:29<themill>jdt: I've not tried that one out yet... :(
10:30<jdt>themill: Well it works fine for me as wlan0_rename :) So I think this seems to be a udev rules issue as suggested by petemc - I might look this up some more and see how i go
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10:35<CK_Low>how can i mount NTFS on debian?
10:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also and
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10:36<CK_Low>but in computer i can see but cant read it write "Unable to mount selected volume" why
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10:38<dpkg>Look, it's not "my Windows", "my Debian", "my ncurses", or "my <whatever else>"; It's Windows, Debian, ncurses, and <whatever else>. The only time this doesn't apply is when you are maintaining your own source tree of whatever you're talking about, which you almost certainly aren't.
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10:39<bma>Has anybody had the misfortune of trying to run Oracle JDeveloper on Debian? I'm getting an exception "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/jdi/Bootstrap" and the main window comes up blank.
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10:40<bma>(Sid, with sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk, on amd64)
10:40<simonrvn>nope. thank Gisoolg for that
10:41<padski>CK_Low: also Malaysia Debian User Group: irc channel - #mydebian @
10:42<padski>CK_Low: what program are you using to attempt to mount the volume ?
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10:42<CK_Low>padski, when i install it already show in my computer , but when i click it show "unable to mount selected volume"
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10:44<padski>CK_Low: is this in the gui ? KDE or GNOME ?
10:44<CK_Low>padski, gnome
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10:45<padski>CK_Low: I am not all that familiar with GNOME, but in any case I suggest you figure it out using the commandline
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10:45<antares>I ve pb with Dell 3000cn printer, i am using cups driver, debian OS, i need the driver to run well
10:46<CK_Low>how to view partition
10:46<jdt>bma: Are you running desktop effects?
10:47<bma>jdt, no.
10:47<padski>CK_Low: on a PC it is fdisk -l /dev/foo
10:47<bma>(Yes, I saw the post on the ubuntu forum about it.)
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10:47<padski>CK_Low: where foo is something like hda or sda
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10:49<antares>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid
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10:52<jdt>bma: have you set your JAVA_HOME env variable?
10:52<bma>No, not explicitly. I think it's set by jdeveloper, though, since it prompts for a path. Will try that.
10:53<padski>antares: google dell 3000cn linux
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10:53<jdt>also double check what /usr/bin/java actually links too - and make sure that if JDeveloper is setting the JAVA_HOME, that it is to the same place
10:55<jdt>bma: Anyway, what a good excuse to use Eclipse instead :)
10:55<bma>I'd gladly use Eclipse, but it's a requirement for the course that we use jdeveloper. :(
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10:56<antares>padski : i see this web site but it is not enough
10:56<simonrvn>damn, there's a lot of update-* commands
10:56<bma>No, setting JAVA_HOME does nothing.
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10:59<jdt>bma: So which directory did you use for JAVA_HOME?
10:59<bma>/usr, /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun, or /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
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11:02<jdt>and your #java -version is the same one?
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11:09<jdt>bma: I'm not sure then. It seems Java is ok - so must be something specific to JDeveloper. I wonder if JDeveloper has any special classpath requirements or something like that
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11:14<bma>jdt, thanks for your help. I'll just have to use the university machines.
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12:20<themill>dpkg: test
12:20<dpkg>Test Failed.
12:20<themill>dpkg: greet vortex_07
12:20<dpkg>Howdy, vortex_07
12:20<vortex_07>i'm french and newbees
12:22<vortex_07>bye sorry
12:22<themill>vortex_07: Welcome, then! And farewell!
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12:35<Kokon>i need a solution for sh scripts to get the 10 last created files/dirs in a dir and the 10 last changed files in a dir. Some idea for a Easy Solution? sort "ls " date and use tail?
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12:36<padski>Kokon: ls -lrt | tail -n10
12:36<Kokon>thx :)
12:36<themill>sort of works
12:37<themill>Kokon: also look at the -c for the ctime (-t is for mtime)
12:38<Kokon>thx for the help :)
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12:40<themill>Kokon: there's also the -1 option (that's the number one) that you can use instead of l (that's little L) to just get the filenames and not the other stuff
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12:41<Kokon>okay thats usefull.
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12:42<themill>Kokon: but you might find some of the options to find useful too -- find files newer than another file etc. see the -newer and -cnewer options. Not sure what you're trying to achieve, but that might be more helpful than just the last 10.
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12:43<Kokon>i know, but i just need the last 10 for my filebrowser :)
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12:44<Kokon>a addon option for a gridview.
12:44<themill>you're making a filebrowser using shell scripts?
12:45<Kokon>not with shell scripts. Just some parts is in shell. For SCP i use the Shell and created a virtual Shell/Bash.
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12:46<jones_mccoy>my start-stop-daemon is failing because the script has the name as the daemon i'm trying to run. but i specify the --pidfile option which say it checks pids, not similar processes.
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12:46<jones_mccoy>how can i avoid this cosmic tragedgy?
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12:46<Maulkin>Erm.. what?
12:47<jones_mccoy>"guestd is already running, exiting"
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12:47<jones_mccoy>^--- lies. pure pure lies. the only guestd running is the /etc/init.d/guestd script that should be starting guestd
12:49<jones_mccoy>AH FRIGGIN HA, i'd defined an $IDFILE instead of $PIDFILE
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12:49<Maulkin>Ok then.
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12:50<jones_mccoy>bah. i'd renamed it guestd-start. when i moved it back to guestd it broke again.
12:50<themill>Kokon: do you know about fish?
12:51<peterpen>hi guys, when i try to mount an NTFS patition, the system freezes
12:51<Maulkin>jones_mccoy: read man start-stop-daemon, carefully
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12:52<Kokon>i know. But i'am writting just for fun a SCP and SFTP Client with some extra Features. All in QT/KDE. I kan embbed the konqueror file browser part but accessing the fish protokoll doenst work correctly in this language. Its more for learning the language :)
12:53<themill>Kokon: sounds fair. Just checking ;)
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12:53<jones_mccoy>man page is somewhat ambigous about what exactly --pidfile option does, all it does is hint at the fact taht is does not operate in quite such a draconic process seeking mode.
12:54<Maulkin>jones_mccoy: you'll need to post your script somewhere
12:55<Kokon>themill: a nother problem is to get the size of a swap partition and how to get all links of an file.
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12:56<snakeman>anyone can give me a decent link to download debian ? i tried allot but i don't find a good one :s ( non net install cuz that one gives module error :s )
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12:56<kop>Kokon : sfdisk -l -u M /dev/hda (or whatever device has the swap partition on it.)
12:56<themill>snakeman: the installer is the same for netinstall or other installs. What's the error
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12:57<themill>Kokon: you can use free to find the total size of swap (all swap partitions and files are aggregated though)
12:57<snakeman>themill idk exactly , but the floppy linux driver couldn't load :s
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12:57<kop>Kokon : What do you mean "all the links"?
12:57<Kokon>follow a link to the file is easy. but i dont know a solution for the other way. To get all Links of Files.
12:58<themill>that's non-trivial
12:58<snakeman>? :s
12:59<Kokon>that shows the swap space. But i need t oget the size of none mounted swap.
12:59<kop>Kokon : The only think I can think for softlinks is something like: ls -lhR / | grep yourfilename
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12:59<themill>kop, Kokon: and then wait for a while
12:59<kop>Kokon : Use the sfdisk command I gave you.
12:59<Kokon>kop: ok. :)
13:00<Kokon>s -lhR /dev | grep yourfilename <- to get device links, i think it will be fast enough :)
13:00<themill>Kokon: you'd have to search for the inode not the filename for hard links.
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13:00<snakeman>so anyone ?
13:00<themill>Kokon: ahh... if you're only looking in dev, then that will work.
13:01<themill>snakeman: you need to give us plenty more information to help you with that. A different debian installer won't help.
13:01<Kokon>themill: yes just for dev. But i have hoped it will give a other solution to make a function to search for other files.
13:01<snakeman>ok i'll try it again and note it
13:01<kop>Kokon : For hard links, maybe a disk editor like lde would help. Possibly.
13:01<themill>snakeman: as I said, they're all the same installer just downloading things in a different order
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13:01<themill>snakeman: did you check the md5 of the iso image you downloaded?
13:02<snakeman>eh what ? :p
13:02<Kokon>kop: for the first time i just need softlinks. :)
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13:05<jones_mccoy>pardon still working on getting a web browser on the system having start-stop-daemon issues
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13:05<jones_mccoy>suffering some minor amd64 burns along that road
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13:07<jones_mccoy>nm that business,
13:07<jones_mccoy>it works if i rename it to vmware-guestd-start or some such
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13:08<jones_mccoy>but if it remains vmware-guestd, which is the name of what its trying to start, it fails "Guestd is already running, exiting" which i would not expect to happen given that start-stop-daemon is being run with --pidfile
13:08<profobofucho>hello, i have upgraded memory from 256 to 756 megas; should i resize my swap partition with gparted?
13:09<profobofucho>my swap is 756 megs
13:09<profobofucho>or is it convinien to completely reinstall debian?
13:09<cahoot>profobofucho: if you really need more swap you can just make a swapfile
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13:09<profobofucho>cahoot, thanks, i do not need it!
13:10<jones_mccoy>swap files are less performant than swap partitions
13:10<profobofucho>this is not a server XD
13:10<cahoot>nowadays not much
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13:11<jones_mccoy>just saying, gparted "rarely" borks disks too, if you have the HD space to give up.
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13:12<jones_mccoy>whoever is rocks, the rest of you go to and tell me whats wrong with my script. :(
13:12<jones_mccoy>again it works fine if i rename it to something other than the name of hte daemon its trying to start, but with --pidfile that shouldnt be required
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13:17<themill>jones_mccoy: why not just change --startas to --exec and why is there an extra -- in the middle of the arguments?
13:18<themill>or is your syntax just completely snafu'd
13:19<themill>jones_mccoy: or are you passing --background to the daemon?
13:19<jones_mccoy>the -- seperates the params for start-stop-daemon from the params for the daemon to be run
13:19<jones_mccoy>--background to daemon
13:19<jones_mccoy>i tried --startas and --exec both and it made no difference
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13:20<jones_mccoy>also, there should be no --name parameter in there, but even without that it still doesnt work
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13:25<themill>jones_mccoy: --name with $NAME in there is bad because it will match every time
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13:26<jones_mccoy>yeah i've tested without that to no better effect sadly
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13:27<themill>I'd be looking at: start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- --background $PIDFILE
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13:27<jones_mccoy>that was where i started at, it does not work though, "Guestd is already running, exiting"
13:28<themill>I presume there wasn't a stale pid file lying around
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13:29<jones_mccoy>just tried again with that line after making sure thre wasnt a pid, same result
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13:29<jones_mccoy>i feel bad filing a bug report against start-stop-daemon but i dont see a good alternative at the present moment. the command line you specified really should work.
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13:41<Kokon>how can i change the output from ls if a file has more than two space in the filename like "test Test.txt"
13:41<Kokon>so convert the output in a bash readable like \ \?
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13:42<cahoot>pipe through tr?
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13:42<weasel>Kokon: you don't want to do that.
13:42<weasel>rather use find -print0 | xargs -0 or something like that
13:43<Kokon>hmm... ok...
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13:52<Kokon>the solution is ls -b :D
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14:01<widowmaker>anyone can tell me wat this means.....hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request.
14:01<widowmaker>freaking pissing me off
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14:03<maex>hallo ist die chatsprache hier deutsch ?
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14:04<widowmaker>ek kan min afrikaans praat
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14:04<ranix_>hey guys, I need to use sed to find three numbers in a row. Is there something I can do besides [0-9][0-9][0-9] ?
14:04<ranix_>the manual is long
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14:12<widowmaker>anyone can help me here?
14:12<Spider>whats problem
14:13<Spider>what's your problem
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14:15<widowmaker>dmesg gives me the ffg o/p
14:15<widowmaker>hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request.
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14:15<fxiny>ranix_: [0-9]{3} ?
14:15<widowmaker>hda is my dvd writer
14:15<widowmaker>running debian etch
14:16<fxiny>ranix_: forget it : thatìs 123
14:16<ranix_>fxiny: I thought that was it but I'm not matching
14:16<panagos>is there an msn client that supports sane file transfers? (ie direct client to client)
14:16<ranix_>I have this
14:17<widowmaker>spider>> after a while i get this....
14:17<widowmaker>spider>> hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
14:17<widowmaker>ide: failed opcode was: unknown
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14:17<ranix_>sed 's/\"[0-9]{7}\.[0-9]{2}
14:17<ranix_>bah hit enter early but that should show the picture
14:17<ranix_>that doesn't work
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14:18<Spider>change slot in motherboard
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14:18<fxiny>ranix_: [0-9]{3,4} ?
14:19<snakeman>w00t i just got debian installed :p
14:19<fxiny>ranix_: iirc should be three not more then 4
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14:19<widowmaker>its ide
14:20<widowmaker>mobo is p35 ds3l
14:20<widowmaker>only 1 ide slot
14:20<widowmaker>the thing is that it works fine
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14:20<widowmaker>i just used it to install xchat
14:21<snakeman>eh can anyone help me , i got as Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) any idea how i would get it installed ? :p
14:21<fxiny>ranix_: i prefere [:digit:] anyway
14:21<ranix_>wow man
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14:22<Spider>you try mount ? manually
14:22<berto>instructions for lenovo thinkpad, but I think that they should work for any computer
14:22<ranix_>echo 1234567 | sed 's/[0-9]{7}/foo/' echoes 1234567
14:22<Spider># mount /dev/hda -t iso9668 /media/cdrom
14:22<ranix_>did some jackass admin alias sed to something else?
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14:23<widowmaker>Spider >> yes yes all that works
14:24<widowmaker>if u just leave the rom alone, even with no dvd in it, it kicks up this error after a while
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14:24<fxiny>ranix_: that means "match 7 times" of the preceeding character
14:24<snakeman>ty berto :p
14:25<berto>you're welcome
14:25<snakeman>hmm how would i do this ? do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list
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14:26<widowmaker>yeah i know
14:26<widowmaker>i did some research on this
14:26<widowmaker>and for other ppl the problem just goes away on its own or the drive dies.....i hope mine is the former
14:26<Spider>you see THE ORACLE Google/Linux ?
14:26<widowmaker>anyone know anything about overclocking in linux?
14:27<Spider>try search hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } in
14:27<snakeman>anyone ?
14:27<widowmaker>wats wrong snakeman?
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14:28<snakeman>hmm how would i do this ? do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list
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14:28<widowmaker>go like this
14:28<widowmaker>vi /etc/apt/sources.list
14:29<snakeman>ye i know that , but then what ? :p
14:29<`cle>guys, what is the command to remove packages from my system?
14:29<widowmaker>then you must copy the repos
14:29<widowmaker>i mean insert the lines
14:29<snakeman>which repos ? :(
14:29<snakeman>thats my problem its for my wireless
14:29<widowmaker>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
14:30<widowmaker>well the link that you followed, they should tell you which repos to put in
14:30<widowmaker>nb, dont put that link in above
14:30<widowmaker>it ownt help you here
14:30<snakeman>euh this is the link : !ipw3945
14:30<`cle>hello.. anyone can help me? what is the option of apt-get remove to completely remove packages from my system??
14:31<Spider>apt-get remove <package>
14:31<snakeman>apt-get remove <program name>
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14:31<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
14:31<snakeman>thats the one widowmaker
14:31<`cle>yeah, but if i want to remove the setting file all together? what's the option i need to use?
14:31<snakeman>it should do it all for you
14:32<Spider>apt-get remove <package> --purge I think
14:32<snakeman>so any idea widowmaker ?
14:32<Spider>apt-get remove --purge <package> I think
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14:34<widowmaker>that link is not too helpful
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14:34<widowmaker>wat is the o/p of '/sbin/ifconfig'?
14:35<widowmaker>spider >> thanks, didnt know abt
14:35<widowmaker>wat is the o/p of '/sbin/ifconfig -a'?
14:36<snakeman>brb guys
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14:38<widowmaker>1 of the suggestions is that the device could be sharing an IRQ
14:38<widowmaker>which makes sense to me
14:38<widowmaker>il check in the bios
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14:39<snakeman>omg i feel so elite :p i just installed ipw almost on my own XD
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14:42<widowmaker>if its working dont fiddle with it else ul f it up......ask me i know
14:43<`cle>guys... anyone can help me? why i installed postgresql 7.4 last time, i would like to remove and to upgrade to 8.1
14:43<snakeman>:p well i'm to scared to f it up so i'll leave it alone :p
14:43<`cle>but after i remove packages using apt-get remove, and installed 8.1, my 7.4 server is still running on my server??
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14:44<widowmaker>did u add the repos?
14:44<widowmaker>snake u gota try compiz-fusion
14:44<widowmaker>it kicks aeros a$$
14:46<snakeman>yes widow :p
14:47<widowmaker>u running it?
14:48<snakeman>oh compiz no
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14:48<snakeman>i'm gonna do taht after i get my freaking nvidia to work
14:49<widowmaker>nvidia is piece of cake
14:49<snakeman>not rlly
14:49<widowmaker>y not?
14:49<snakeman>not if your name is snakeman and you got the brains of a fly
14:49<widowmaker>awwwwwwww come on
14:49<snakeman>no rlly , i have NO idea how to do it
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14:50<widowmaker>u know howto do this dont you "./"
14:50<azeem>snakeman: /msg dpkg nvidia
14:50<azeem>widowmaker: please don't recommend the nvidia installer here
14:50<widowmaker>sorry, im a noob to chat, may i ask y not
14:51<azeem>!nvidia-installer really sucks.
14:51<dpkg>We don't tell you not to use the installer from for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break horribly, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it right the first time - ask me about <ngd>.
14:51<widowmaker>i had no probs so far
14:51<Christmas>neither did i
14:51<JasonS>that would be the work fine for a while part
14:52<widowmaker>if u dont touch it how can it break
14:52<azeem>widowmaker: touch X in general
14:53<ranix_>who was the guy looking for help with nvidia stuff yesterday, did he get it working?
14:53<ranix_>I have my xorg.conf here if he still wants it
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14:53<widowmaker>does dpkg nvidia install the linux nvidia driver?
14:53<ranix_>the guy with the Go 6200
14:53<widowmaker>if so how does it compare to the nvidia driver
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14:54<ranix_>widowmaker: the package nvidia does not install the nvidia driver. You're looking for the proprietary nvidia driver you can install with module-assistant
14:54<ranix_>widowmaker: you should be able to get a return from google with "nvidia debian module-assistant howto" or similar
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14:55<ranix_>or "nvidia driver the debian way"
14:55<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
14:55<Maulkin>Go see that
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14:55<ranix_>my second google search brings you to the page Maulkin just linked you to, by the way, widowmaker
14:56<ranix_>in the future try asking google before you klutz around
14:56<widowmaker>google my bestest buddy
14:56<widowmaker>but he cant help me with this prob :-( .....hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request.
14:56<SharkMa-san>and that brings me the question. how old is the nvidia driver in etch :P
14:58<bma>SharkMa-san, probably as old as everything else in etch.
14:58<widowmaker>damn ice-weasel crashes alot
14:58<ranix_>widowmaker: get a flash blocking extension
14:58<bma>SharkMa-san, no more recent than April '07.
14:58<sepski>SharkMa-san, etch was released on, April 8th, 2007 and frozen some months before
14:59<widowmaker>thanks ranix
14:59<widowmaker>anyone familiar with conky?
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15:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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15:03<widowmaker>conky is configured as one of my startup programs in X, but occasionally it dissapears and the only way to get it back is kill the pid and restart it
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15:08<`cle>guys... where i can find a good guide to use kde on my debian??
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15:10<ranix_>apt-get install kde
15:10<ranix_>why what do you want
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15:11<`cle>nothing.. just starting to use debian a few weeks ago and haven't even get on hand on kde..
15:12<twb>widowmaker: are you using nautilus?
15:12<`cle>would like to know how to use kde, may be some newbies guide
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15:13<omer>`cle: khelpcenter is good start
15:13<omer>or (lots of docs)
15:14<`cle>khelpcenter? u mean channel??
15:14<omer>no the command (or help in the K menu)
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15:14<omer>but that's a good idea too : #debian-kde ;)
15:14<`cle>ic.. thx.. i go take a look.. :)
15:17<dpkg>somebody said ic was (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C). Imperial College, London
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15:19<`cle>twb, thx for moroness
15:20<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
15:20<ranix_>twb, sepski: you realize you've been indirectly trolled by doing that
15:20<themill>`cle: please remember that other people's command of the English language may not be as good as yours, and lots of l33t-speak abbreviations tend to make what you write very hard for others to read.
15:21<sepski>ranix_, i like the thx reference :)
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15:28<gidna>when I use apt-get I receive E: Il pacchetto sun-java6-bin deve essere reinstallato, ma non si riesce a trovare un archivio per esso.
15:28<`cle>themill, may be i should agree with you. but for the word "thx" i don't think there is any problem with it. coz internet short form is so many years in the computer world and if anyone do don't understand, it won't be much problem either, coz there is not much information on it
15:28<twb>gidna: please reproduce with LANG=C apt-get
15:28<widowmaker>i wish i could read spanish
15:28<twb>widowmaker: it's Italian, I think
15:29<gidna>How can I change the language?
15:29<twb>gidna: 07:28 <twb> gidna: please reproduce with LANG=C apt-get
15:29<widowmaker>but i still wish i could read spanish
15:29<donfede>hello, any tips on how to find what "pts" a terminal corresponds to?
15:29<twb>widowmaker: granted
15:29<gidna>for all the commands
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15:29<twb>donfede: pts = pseudoterminals
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15:30<donfede>twb: thanks for the response. ex: "ps ax | grep script", i get back "pts/2" ... now I have a pile of open xterms... within an xterm / shell, how can I see what pts it is? (something like "echo $PTS")
15:31<omer>gidna: export LANG=C if you want that for only one session
15:31<twb>Offhand I don't know
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15:31<omer>or dpkg-reconfigure locales for permanent change
15:31<angelo>questo programma?
15:31<gidna>when I open synaptic I receive E: The package sun-java6-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
15:31<angelo>più che
15:32<angelo>altro a
15:32<ranix_>CAUTION: dpkg-reconfigure locales can take a LONG TIME
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15:32<angelo>cosa serve?
15:32<twb>ranix_: only if you enable lots
15:32<ranix_>angelo: !es
15:32<`cle>guys.. if i need to prepare my harddisk partition to accomodate my kde, which partition i need to make it bigger and what's the size needed??
15:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:32<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
15:32<ranix_>Que no hablan el idioma aquí luna loca
15:32<gidna>twb I have translated..
15:32<omer>`cle: (almost) everything goes under /usr
15:32<gidna>can you help me..
15:33<gidna>it's a big problem
15:33<ranix_>Che non parlano la lingua qui folle luna
15:33<twb>gidna: what is the translation?
15:33<omer>`cle: apt-get kde -s will tell how much space you need to install
15:33<gidna>E: The package sun-java6-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it
15:33<widowmaker>Cle, kde is a window manager, u dnt need a seperate partition for it
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15:34<themill>gidna: are you running etch or lenny? (and why does synaptic want to reinstall it?)
15:34<`cle>omer, if like that, how much i need for that partition??
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15:34<`cle>i mean at least??
15:34<gidna>ubuntu 7.10
15:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
15:35<themill>gidna: You'll have to ask #ubuntu that question
15:35<widowmaker>dpkg is a busy mane
15:35<gidna>they can't answer
15:35<omer>`cle: I don't understand what you mean
15:35<widowmaker>dpkg is a busy man
15:35<widowmaker>dpkg is a busy man/woman
15:35<twb>gidna: this is a good reason not to use Ubuntu
15:36<`cle>omer, never mind.. may be i go and try first.. only decide on my final installation.. :)
15:36<`cle>anyway dpkg stand for what??
15:37<ranix_>twb: blast you keep beating me to it
15:37<ranix_>twb: troll slower
15:37<twb>`cle: debian package
15:37<ranix_>you're on cruise control for cool here or something
15:37<twb>ranix_: I'm perfectly serious: the relatively large, untrained community around Ubuntu makes it very noisy when trying to solve legitimate problems
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15:38<ranix_>twb: I do realize, but that doesn't make it any less fun to point out
15:39<`cle>but is that ubuntu has more users than debian??
15:39<donfede>ranix_: fuck off dickhead
15:39<twb>`cle: It sure feels that way sometimes.
15:39<donfede>ranix_: and learn to identify the languages you spite
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15:39<twb>donfede: *fuck off, dickhead; you need a comma.
15:40<donfede>twb: thanks... ranix_: fuck off, dick head!
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15:40<themill>donfede: ummm... you're in #d not in #bash. Please put the blow-torch away.
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15:41<donfede>themill: sorry, i got sore at seeing the lack of appreciation of the internationalness of the net
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15:41<donfede>themill: maybe it's because i'm a "goddamn spic" surrounded by rednecks for too long
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15:42<donfede>themill: sorry ... and ranix_ sorry also ... i lost it too quickly ... (though I am also on #bash ;))
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15:42<twb>donfede: I see no reference to "spics".
15:43<donfede>twb: no, only a pile of !es (which are not even appropriate here)
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15:43<themill>ranix_: please don't insult people here in any language, even the ones that the ops might not notice at first.
15:43<twb>themill: ranix_ didn't insult anyone.
15:43<themill>donfede: that's ok -- I'd not looked carefully at what ranix_ said. He was out of line.
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15:44<twb>themill: he (presumably) guessed that a poster was speaking Spanish, and used the normal mechanism to redirect them to a channel where Spanish is understood.
15:44<donfede>ok, again ... sorry all (especially ranix_) for loosing my lid.
15:44<jthomas>I just tried to install exuberant-ctags on Etch and its giving me errors with dpkg cannot configure apache-ssl... any help?
15:44<monra>Hello. I was wondering if it is able to check all the logins to a system to spesific account. For example when logging to an computer through an ssh account i see "Last Login: Time from x.x.x.x ip".I would like to see all the last logins.Not just the last to my account. is that possible?
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15:44<twb>monra: man lastlog
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15:45<themill>twb: no, he also said something along the lines of "I don't speak the language of morons" in both Spanish and Italian. (I have no problems with !it and !es)
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15:45<twb>themill: oh, I didn't see that.
15:45<monra>twb: thanks will check it
15:45<jMCg>lastman last
15:45<twb>themill: perhaps I have ignored the person to whom he spoke.
15:45<donfede>themill: yes , true
15:45<themill>twb: nor did I at first until donfede pointed it out.
15:46<twb>Ah, yes, I see it now.
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15:47<`cle>anyway guys.. i think that's enough for this topic for today.. pointless to discuss anyway
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15:47<twb>Let's talk about The Ball Game last weekend
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15:47<themill>yeah... Australia won again against India!
15:48*themill hides
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15:48<twb>What were "we" playing?
15:48<rio>Hi, I just installed debian (lenny) and "apt-get install xorg kdm kde" but I can't enable sub-pixel hinting (the check box is inactive). Anyone know why? Or maybe because BYTECODE_INTERPRETER_someting (FreeType) not enabled by default on Debian package?
15:48<twb>rio: can't enable it where?
15:49<rio>kde control cnter of course
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15:49<twb>It's amazing what some people assume.
15:49<themill>twb: cricket... you must have been hiding under a rock to not have heard the drama (given that you're in .au...)
15:49<twb>rio: I can't help with KDE, sorry.
15:50<themill>rio: works for me under both etch and lenny....
15:50<twb>themill: no, I just hang out with people who don't give a shit
15:50<monra>twb: i just see the last login .. not the all the last day logins ... I'm interested in finding all the last day logins from me
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15:51<`cle>monra: special interest of you, u may be need to find some supporting package for yourself for that
15:51<donfede>ausies, kind supporters of samba :-D
15:52<twb>monra: sorry, I don't know how to do that.
15:52<twb>monra: try looking at packages with "pam" in them.
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15:52<rio>themill: Really? I just can select hinting style (full, medium, etc)...can't enable sub-pixel hinting (RGB, BGR,...)
15:52<twb>The samba is from the continent.
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15:53<twb>Hmm, apparently it's from the dark continent as well.
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15:54<donfede>fyi as per my question of tracking down the pts ... the "tty" command helped identify which pts/tty a shell corresponded with
15:54<monra>`cle: not possible. Here is my problem. I have an ssh account at the university, and I'm worried that someone could had login to my account although my password was too hard i logged in(maybe from a pc with a keylogger in it). I want to be sure nobody went in my account and stole some excercises i have there.
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15:55<twb>monra: oh, you don't have root
15:55<twb>monra: that severely limits your options
15:55<monra>twb: nope. No root. Just a simple user.
15:55<`cle>monra, it's very simple anyway
15:55<jw>how to shutdown x-windows on debian so can install nvidia drivers? Boots now to runlevel 2.
15:55<twb>The biggest issue, of course, is that anyone that can log in as you can delete any logging information you can create
15:55<`cle>monra, because, if u remember the last time u login
15:56<twb>jw: please say "X" or "the X window system"
15:56<`cle>if somebody steal your password
15:56<bma>jw, /etc/init.d/xdm stop
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15:56<`cle>u can always know if anybody logged in
15:56<twb>jw: the easiest way is probably to install rcconf, then run it (as root) and un-tick xdm, gdm and kdm.
15:56<monra>`cle: but the problem is i logged in several times since then and destroyed the last login thing
15:56<twb>That's if you want to stop it across reboots
15:57<twb>To just stop it NOW, listen to bma
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15:57<`cle>monra, no.. if security is your care, try change your password often, may be once a week
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15:57<`cle>and then, everytime u log in, check the last login
15:58<`cle>if u practice this 2 step, i think won't be much problem
15:58<toor>Anyone know anything about something when it comes to chrooting apache?
15:58<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:58<knoppix_>hi ppls
15:58<dpkg>I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many?
15:58<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
15:58<monra>`cle: will do from now on! thanksd anyway!
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15:59<bma>monra, if you want better security on SSH you may want to look into key-based authentication, rather than passwords.
15:59<Guest2705>can i ask question for knoppix here?
15:59<donfede>probably better in other forums, as pointed out already
15:59<Maulkin>Guest2705: no
15:59<twb>bma: he can't disable password-based logins without root
15:59<Guest2705>for ubuntu ?
15:59<twb>Guest2705: no.
15:59<Maulkin>Guest2705: no
15:59<Guest2705>then for what ?
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15:59<Maulkin>Debian, suprisingly
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16:00<Kokon>does someone know a good page for the shell tool convert? Some tutorials?
16:00<Guest2705>i joined #knoppix but noone is there
16:00<twb>Kokon: yes, it comes with HTML documentation
16:00<noflash>Guest2705, try
16:00<twb>Guest2705: because knoppix is deprecated
16:00<donfede>Guest2705 on this irc network, or on the freenode one?
16:01<Kokon>good thx :)
16:01<dpkg>it has been said that debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:
16:01<donfede>twb: knoppix is depricated? as in no more development?
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16:02<monra>As you get in my university account i got some programming excercises that i done. if a guy steals them and give the same to the lesson we will both get 0. Of course then I guess i will know who logged in.. but it will be to late. I was just needed last logins to change my whole code in order not to be catched by Moss. That's all. Anyway thanks guys.
16:02<twb>donfede: Knoppix was originally developed because nobody cared enough to make an official Debian Live sub-project.
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16:02<twb>donfede: people care now, so we don't need to deal with the horrible mess that is Knoppix.
16:02<donfede>twb: sure, and they made great steps in creating a nice "linux demo" / "live" cd
16:02<twb>For example, Knoppix has stub packages from WOODY, FFS
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16:03<donfede>twb: is the debian-live as "polished" as knoppix was for a bit?
16:03<nido>are there some people here who can help me with some weird dhcp problems?
16:03<donfede>twb: ie: if there was a "newbie" that wanted to see what linux was like, i'd toss them a knoppix cd.
16:03<twb>donfede: debian-live is quite close to Ubuntu's live infrastructure
16:03<twb>donfede: it is a fork of Ubuntu's casper
16:03<`cle>monra, university case i think if really somebody steal it, i think the best u can do is that.. but i don't think it's so stupid for anybody to copy exactly the same
16:04<twb>If you boot it, it will drop into a guest account of gnome/kde/whatever, using the *standard* packages from etch/lenny/sid, rather than a hodge-podge of crap that Knopper uses
16:04<`cle>monra, if me last time, i will just change the variables name inside or anything.. not too hard to do.. :)
16:04<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
16:05<nido>I have a server, cabled to a wifi router, cabled to another wifi router, cabled to my home box. If i do dhclient I do get a DHCPOFFER on this box, but it doesn't configure the address and alike
16:05<monra>`cle: you mean create a shell script or so? that checks if the last logn was me?
16:05<ranix_>no u
16:05<`cle>monra, if u have no root access, nothing can be done..
16:06<`cle>so, end case.. :)
16:06<nido>if I configure the address manually, ethernet works
16:06<monra>`cle: ok but i could suggest something to the root anf if it's good she maybe do it! We have that ability. or tell her install something
16:06<`cle>twb, y u so luv to point out ppls short form??? x written for u 2 c anyway
16:06<twb>`cle: plonk
16:07<dpkg>[aol] America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet.
16:07<ranix_>twb: yhbt
16:07<`cle>twb, love my short form??
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16:08<ranix_>`cle: the people in #debian are the cool people you try to be like, not the ones you try to impress with your aolspeak
16:08<ranix_>by the by
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16:08<weasel>ranix_: aolspeak is useful,
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16:08<weasel>ranix_: it lets you know immediately who is an idiot who isn't worth helping
16:08<ranix_>weasel: if you don't have a querty keyboard on your telephone, also
16:08<twb>weasel: not immediately
16:08<weasel>soon enough
16:09<twb>weasel: if they refuse to learn, THEN they are plonkable
16:09<ranix_>what is plonk
16:09<weasel>the sound that a name makes when it falls to the bottom of a killfile
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16:09<ranix_>ah, I see
16:09<weasel>I'm sure the jargon file has more on it
16:09<ranix_>or should I say, "o i c"
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16:10<`cle>guys... i just curios, when it's about time to help people, somebody in this channel keep on do some stupid actions here, pointing out the short form that ANY HUMAN BEING can understand
16:10*weasel has no problems with common abbreviations like "ic". it's the stupid abbreviations like sry and tnx and u that I mind
16:10<Maulkin>And also, please please please read the links the the topic, like the FAQ. See? I'm being nice and everything. It does mention using 'u' etc. And it really isn't there to gather dust. The topic space is valuble ya know...
16:11<ranix_>`cle: unless maybe they're japanese or russian and don't know much english. Did you know that shorthand in the Netherlands for "afk" is "ff"? Or that laughing shortform in brazil is "hua"?
16:11<ranix_>no, you didn't
16:11<ranix_>so don't use it in a multinational channel
16:11<Maulkin>I'd rather it was reclaimed to build the new 'answer to all debian questions ever', but the planning board won't let us put that in the topic as long as people insist on using 'u' and '2 c' etc. It's so sad, but there you have it.
16:12<monra>`cle: hm? i thin last shows me all my last command shows all my last logins! Is that correct?
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16:12<`cle>monra, yes.. that's all u can do for the moment
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16:13<monra>`cle: basically that's what i wanted to do :S .. i guess i can check each computer the last command and see if somebody logged in!
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16:14<twb>m0RrE: if you are really worried about plagiarism, there is a simple solution
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16:14<twb>Sorry, bad completion.
16:14<twb>monra: if you are really worried about plagiarism, there is a simple solution.
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16:14<monra>twb: i get it was me :)
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16:14<twb>monra: don't store your work on a student shell server.
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16:14<twb>Keep it on your home machine and only copy it across to submit it.
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16:15<monra>twb: that's right. but i was afraid something happens here and must write it all from the beggining
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16:15<ranix_>watch "date;ps aux | grep <pts or tty> >>file.log" should help maybe, monra?
16:15<twb>You will also probably want to discuss what actions you can take if your work IS stolen.
16:16<ranix_>you trying to catch people logging in, ghetto style?
16:16<`cle>go hit that theif
16:16<monra>twb: IS?
16:16<twb>monra: however I can tell you that unless you leave your password lying around, nobody is going to bother trying to break into another student's account.
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16:16<twb>monra: "is", the copula.
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16:16<twb>monra: capitalization for emphasis.
16:16<ranix_>monra: make sure your home directory is chmod o-x
16:17<ranix_>monra: I've had some fun in my youth with that
16:17<ranix_>some web hosts still have problems with correct home directory permissions
16:17<monra>twb: i didn't let my pass arround. My password is an 8 characyer string with caps, numbers, symbols and just changed it again.
16:17<ranix_>monra: what is the problem you're trying to fight
16:18<monra>ranix_: i have 711 permissions although in all my files there are 700. i guess that's ok?
16:18<monra>except public_html which is also 711 :)
16:18<twb>ranix_: he's been warned that if the plagiarism detector finds two assignment solutions that match, both students fail that assignment. Now he's being paranoid about people getting onto his account and stealing his work.
16:18<twb>I hesitate to call it "excessively" paranoid, because I don't really think there's any such thing.
16:18<`cle>monra, is it means that your school are full of lazy bunk?? that like to steal people's work??
16:19<twb>But I think there's nothing you can do to further mitigate risk in this case.
16:19<monra>`cle: i guess it's so!
16:19<ranix_>monra: easy, make sure all your assignments are barely passing
16:19<`cle>of may be your school's lab are full of keylogger??
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16:20<monra>`cle: it's impossible schools labs being keylogged(i guess) but i logged in from some Windows systems in the library computers :S .. Anyway guys. Thanks for your help :)
16:20<ranix_>twb: could write a report on false positives and arrow's impossibility theorem and have it prepared to hand in if the teacher pulls that
16:20<`cle>i still remember my old time, when everybody share 1 work, with everybody sharing 1 people's work.. change the layout, change the variables
16:20<`cle>then everybody passed
16:21<twb>It's entirely possible to install physical or software keyloggers on student lab machines
16:21<twb>It wouldn't surprise me at all if the admin staff did it
16:21<nido>twb: also not as root?
16:21<twb>nido: I'm assuming the IT staff have root
16:21<monra>twb: hm? The systems have Linux? i guess they should need root access in order to do something like this
16:21<`cle>twb, u don't forget there was a lot of windows base system in lab
16:21<nido>twb: I'm just curious whether i could pull that stunt at the uva
16:22<nido>cuz then I need to rethink security
16:22<twb>It's not hard to get root on most commodity workstations
16:22<twb>Just boot from a removable medium with Debian on it
16:22<twb>If you can't do that because the boot order is password protected, you need to remove the outer casing and short a jumper to reset the password
16:22<monra>twb: i get i will just get local root access(i mean root power for the spesific computer))
16:22<nido>i can do ypcat passwd, which is a nice start. The IT usually responds quite quickly to livecds though. I've seen physical sysadmins at my desk
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16:23<twb>Sophisticated keyloggers are physical devices that are placed inside the casing of the keyboard, and are removed again at a later date.
16:23<twb>You simply won't detect those using conventional civilian gear.
16:23<twb>nido: obviously it varies between sites.
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16:24<`cle>twb, i still remembered i saw a keylogger in a windows system that installed with physical rool back system
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16:24<monra>twb: oh.. anyway in our computer we have 2 things in GRUB Debian login and Recovery mode. I think you mean recovery mode to reset root password? But that would be to easy :S I'm kind of worried now
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16:24<twb>monra: please go read the essay _Reflections on Trusting Trust_
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16:25<nido>i'm gonna try that next time, open grub see if I can get it
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16:25<twb>monra: it demonstrates that any system that you did not build YOURSELF from THE GROUND UP, including all hardware and software, can theoretically be compromised and the compromise is certainly not detectable.
16:25<mzhang>is it true that flash still doesn't support amd64 officially?
16:25<monra>twb: hmm. wiil check it out
16:25<twb>mzhang: are you referring to the proprietary client implementation?
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16:27<mzhang>twb: afraid so, what else to use in firefox for the same functionality?
16:27<twb>I don't know.
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16:27<twb>For "flash video", you can use mplayer.
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16:27<twb>Older flash formats are supported by Free implementations, but I don't know how well.
16:28<mzhang>twb: thank you.
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16:28<twb>I think flashplugin-nonfree is available in the non-free/ branch of Sid, at least.
16:28<twb>Possibly I'm thinking of
16:28<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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16:31<mzhang>twb: you are right, they have it in etch too.
16:31<mzhang>twb: thanks.
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16:33<mzhang>twb: though in etch, at least, it only supports i386. :(
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16:33<twb>mzhang: bpo has it for amd6
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16:36<`cle>twb, what's good bittorrent client for debian??
16:36<`cle>if u use any..
16:37<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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16:37<weasel>(V jnf nobhg gb fnl egbeerag, ohg gura punatrq zl zvaq naq fnvq !h vafgrnq</rot13>)
16:37<`cle>ok ok.. sorry... you*
16:38<JasonS>`cle: didnt you ask this earlier and get an answer?
16:39<`cle>at least it's not me
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16:39<mzhang>twb: that is helpful though I have to figure out how to install it. thanks.
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16:40<dpkg>i guess is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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16:44<mzhang>twb: thanks a bunch!
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16:47<panagos>when i run find, it prefixes all results with "./"; how can i remove that?
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16:48<dondelelcaro>panagos: because that's where the results are. If you just want the filename, use -printf '%f\n' or similar.
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16:48<dondelelcaro>panagos: man find for details.
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16:49<twb>panagos: pass targets to find
16:49<panagos>dondelelcaro: thank you very much, that's what i needed!
16:49<twb>panagos: by default the target is ./
16:49<twb>find *.d/ -type f
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16:49<twb>...for example.
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16:59<jthomas>my K3b cannot burn DVDs; it gets to x% (highest was about 21%) and then either dies or says it finished in 2minutes. Its 4.2GB on a 4x drive, so it is by no means finished. Anyone else have this issue on Lenny?
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16:59<jthomas>what is the command to burn a DVD of a particular folder?
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17:01<dondelelcaro>jthomas: growisofs
17:01<hax>anyone use lighttpd? i'm trying to find a repos that has recent versions... etch only has .13, but that supposedly has security holes... latest is .18
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17:02<dondelelcaro>hax: uh... if there are security vulnerabilities, they should have been fixed in etch4, which has security fixes.
17:02<dondelelcaro>hax: check the DSA for lighttpd
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17:03<jthomas>Does k3b require temp space? I bet that is it -- i am out of drive space pretty much across my whole HDD
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17:03<hax>dondelelcaro: DSA?
17:03<dpkg>somebody said dsa was Debian Security Announcement, see or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via to install software and such on Debian Project computers
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17:15<oddtod>hey guys i have debian installed on my laptop and i tried to install windows at the begining of the hardrive that i save for windows and windows complained about the drive after i deleted the first partition and windows wouldn't install when i rebooted system bitched about no operating systemhow do i reinstall grub from an ubuntu live cd to fix this?
17:16<lupine_85>chroot into your debian system and run grub-install
17:16<lupine_85>that's, um, it
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17:17<gsimmons>!tell oddtod -about fixmbr
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17:18<oddtod>is there any way i can still install windows?
17:18<oddtod>i guess delete that first partition and try again?
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17:27<dkr>better to install windows and then debian. debian is smarter about sharing the system with another os
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17:34<jaggy>any idea how i get Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller to work ?
17:34<twb>Plug it in
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17:34<jaggy>it is plugd in
17:34<jaggy>but no sound
17:35<twb>Did you check channel volumes and mutedness?
17:35<klimy>perhaps this is a feature ;)
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17:36<alexs>tyt po ryski ktoniti ponimati?
17:37<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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17:38<jaggy>so anyone has an idea how i get Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller working ?
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17:54<prahal>hi has anybody noticed freeze of most applications while heavy io happens on the disk with newest kernels (sorry I cannot tell when it started ) ?
17:54<prahal>a simple apt upgrade is enough to render the computer barely usable
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17:58<twb>prahal: yes, since the 2.6 branch
17:58<jclinton>prahal: define "new"
17:58<jclinton>twb: hah
17:58<twb>On 2.6 once you start swapping to disk, you're fucked
17:58<twb>Give up and go home for the day, just like the old Lisp machines
17:59<twb>I remember one time I wasn't thinking straight; I decided to try making a 10GB tmpfs /tmp and then test it with dd... not occuring to me I only had 4GB of swap
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18:04<jclinton>well duh, swapping out a kernel process is a terrible, terrible situation
18:04<jclinton>i think 2.6 handles user space swap much better
18:04<jclinton>but that's beside the point; the question was about disk I/O in general
18:05<jclinton>prahal: you probably have a failing drive or something like that
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18:05<jagerman>Or maybe a drive not using DMA for some reason
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18:16<eshen>hey, my debian net install is hanging at 87% and it hangs there every time i try to install it
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18:18<eshen>can anyone help?
18:19<panagos>eshen: disk problem?
18:19<donfede>eshen: any footprints if you look in the debug consoles (alt f2 , alt f3 ... so on) ?
18:19<eshen>panagos: i dont think so i burned several different disks
18:19<eshen>donfede: nope
18:19<panagos>eshen: i mean the hard drive
18:20<donfede>eshen: there must be something ... you know what I'm talking about, as per the debug consoles ... correct?
18:20<donfede>eshen: other key information to note is what file / step is it getting stuck at ... 87% is "interesting" ... but there must be more
18:20<donfede>eshen: other ideas include, have you tried different mirrors? (maybe the mirror you are trying is foobar around there)
18:20<eshen>donfede: configuring GDM
18:21<eshen>donfede: ill try that
18:21<prahal>hum maybe but it could be the swapping issue , gnome-terminal is eating nearly 1G (with only 9 tabs openened well for a month) and firefox eats near as much and the remainings eats most of the 1G of swap/ram remaining ... this is a sata drive so either it is dying or I am too low on swap
18:22<donfede>eshen: before you reboot
18:22<panagos>is there a qwerty layout that can also support acutes, circumflexes, umlauts etc?
18:22<donfede>try all the alt f1 through alt f7 combinations
18:22<donfede>i don't recall off the top of my head ... but one (or two) of those consoles give debug output
18:23<donfede>eshen: one last idea... is go to alt-f2, hit enter , and get a debug shell ... what sort of forensics can we check out to see where things are foobar? ... "ps" is the first that comes to mind
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18:23<jagerman>panagos: You can set up a compose key; I remap my right-alt, so ralt-e-' for instance gives me é
18:23<tik>Hi, does anyone know a good partition/disk image software that works for both nix and win?
18:24<panagos>jagerman: where do i set this up?
18:24<jagerman>panagos: What WM are you using?
18:25<panagos>jagerman: kwin
18:25<jagerman>I have no idea, then :)
18:25<panagos>jagerman: what do you use?
18:25<jagerman>In GNOME it's under keyboard prefs. Of course you can also xmodmap it
18:25<donfede>tik: partition magic is supposed to be sweet, but non-free (ie: commercial)
18:26<tik>donfede: I meant a software to save a partition/disk sorry.
18:26<tik>not to edit the partition, need a free one too.
18:26<donfede>tik: something like ghost?
18:27<panagos>jagerman: if i just set a key as compose, the combinations are set automatically?
18:27<donfede>to copy a partition across the network ?
18:27<tik>donfede: yes. :)
18:27<donfede>tik: I Very seldom deal with windows ... in linux land I normally do a "cp -a" from one partition to another ... or "dd" if I want to be more low level ... ... but sorry , no better ideas (other than commercial ghost)
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18:28<jagerman>panagos: They are defined somewhere in X, though I forget exactly where. So yes.
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18:29<tik>donfede: Ok npz thanks.
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18:29<jagerman>panthera: This may help:
18:32<jagerman>oops, sorry panthera.
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18:42<ranbog>can anybody help me
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18:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:53<rhinovirus>do i need a certain program to use .run files?
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19:14<dkr>you can use the file command to see what kind of program it is
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19:15<dkr>oops, didn't notice it was an old question and he left. :)
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19:18<DaCapn>That's what happens when people only have one minute attention spans...
19:18<DaCapn>I'm not sure whether I hate that more or less than "Hey I need some help please? Anyone? No? Damn..."
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20:03<bernardo>hello everybody
20:04<bernardo>What is a good C/C++ IDE for Debian?
20:05<ironm>good question bernardo ;-)
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20:05<ironm>eclipse seems to work fine under Debian .. (but for Java ... ) | bernardo
20:05<themill>bernardo: I use kdevelop
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20:06<twb>ironm: eclipse works with Free java
20:06<ez>I have a question
20:06<ironm>oh twb .... what about Sun java?
20:07<jmorrison>Hi guys, I'm using unstable/testing and I'm having a wierd problem with update-initramfs. Is anyone else here having grief with that?
20:07<ez>i am come from taiwan
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20:07<ez>where is the server
20:07<ironm>etch 4.0 r2 here jmorrison
20:07<dpkg>tw is, like, an abbreviation of Taiwan
20:07<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
20:08<bernardo>themill: I'm not using kde...
20:08<twb>ironm: Eclipse also works with Sun Java, but Sun Java is not part of Debian
20:08<ironm>right twb ;-)
20:08<bernardo>ironm: do you know if there is a good C/C++ plugin for eclipse?
20:08<twb>jmorrison: please, be MORE vague
20:08<themill>bernardo: that doesn't stop you from using kdevelop... (sun-java is in non-free)
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20:09<ironm>bernardo: I don't know
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20:09<bernardo>themill: do you?
20:09<themill>never used eclipse
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20:09<bernardo>themill: it's very nice....
20:10<jmorrison>ironm, it's just the latest testing packages. I've been apt-get dist-upgrade-ing since forever. I'm having a problem where update-initramfs writes initramfs without proper modules
20:10<bernardo>themill: but I can't find the C/C++ plugin for it...
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20:11<themill>bernardo: don't look at me... ask google or be more specific to see if anyone else uses it.
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20:11<ironm>I see jmorrison ... maybe kano could help you ... on
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20:12<jmorrison>ironm: which channel?
20:13<jmorrison>my initramfs-tools is 0.91d
20:13<ironm>jmorrison: #kanotix
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20:13<ironm>another irc-server jmorrison
20:14<jmorrison>ironm: I know of freenode, just needed to clarify channel.
20:14<jmorrison>thank you
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20:15<ironm>you are welcome jmorrison ;-)
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20:19<ironm>KDevelop looks great ! :-)
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20:22<mikes>hello all. i have removed an extra repository of debian, updated, but apt still sees the packages of that. the result of trying to install is Package is not available, but is referred to by another package
20:22<mikes>is there any way to clear apt database ?
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20:26<dkr>apt-cache clean?
20:27<jmorrison>dselect update will replace the list of available packages, I think
20:27<dkr>aptitude autoclean
20:27<dkr> Removes any cached packages which can no longer be downloaded.
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20:29<jmorrison>re-asking: does anyone know of problems with update-initramfs (my initramfs-tools is version 0.91d) where modules are not properly set up in the initramfs and the result is the kernel can't see usb
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20:31<twb>jmorrison: why should USB modules be in the initramfs?
20:31<twb>jmorrison: have you asked for them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
20:32<jmorrison>twb: I don't know if the modules are not in the initramfs, or if something they depend-upon is mis-set there and they fail to load
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20:32<jmorrison>twb: I do know that the old initramfs works and the newly written one doesn't
20:32<twb>You understand that the initrd only contains those modules needed to find and mount the root partition?
20:33<javo>hi. i accidentally removed httpd.conf .... there exists a way to recreate it ? i have etch stable
20:33<twb>Once the root partition is pivoted, the initrd is no longer responsible for anything.
20:33<javo>please i need help with this
20:33<twb>javo: well the obvious way would be to aptitude reinstall apache2-whatever
20:33<jmorrison>twb: different behavior with different initrds convinces me that's the core of the problem
20:34<jmorrison>twb: I literally copied the old one back into place and ran lilo, and it reverted in behavior
20:34<twb>jmorrison: is USB involved in the bootstrapping process on your system?
20:34<twb>I think it's more likely that you're inadvertently running the old kernel, which is still installed.
20:34<jmorrison>twb: only once it gets quite far in - I have a LUKS encrypted USB external hard-drive
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20:36<jmorrison>twb: no, I observed a difference just by changing the one file, the initrd, by copying the old one back into place with cp
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20:38<gsimmons>!tell javo -about confmiss
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20:38<mepis32>I think I need to adjust the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable, because I prefer to build applications with the prefix /usr/local/ (so I don't pooch my system) .... should the value be /usr/,/usr/local ?
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20:44<javo>twb: i writed in console dpkg --force-confmiss but seems is needed an option of dpkg :(
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20:48<gsimmons>javo: You'd want to read the confmiss factoid, provided to you by dpkg in a private message.
20:48<mepis32>Perhaps a more appropriate question would is the value set like any other path variable ... values are seperated by a colon
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20:55<Armadillio>anyone up for a question?
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20:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:57<zee>hi is there a colour file i can download or a way to change the colour of syntax highlighting in vim?
20:57<Armadillio>anyone have any luck with the WUSB11v4 wireless card?
20:58<dkr>zee: you can modify colors used on x terminals with some xresource settings. yeah, I'msure vim has it's own highlight coloring conf
20:58<gsimmons>zee: Use 'colorscheme foo' within vim. See /usr/share/vim/vim70/colors (assuming you're using Etch) for the schemes available.
20:59<dkr>Armadillio: re-read dpkg's message above
20:59<dpkg>somebody said wusb11v4 was a wireless LAN USB device produced by Linksys, which contains an ALi M4301A chipset. No native Linux drivers for this chipset currently exist. Ask me about <ndiswrapper>.
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21:00<dpkg>ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
21:00<javo>twb: manny thanks!!!! it worked fine !!!
21:00<zee>Ok I'll try that, thanks guys.
21:00<dkr>I guess an "anyone use *" was enough in this case. heh
21:00*twb is a genius! Tell your friends!!
21:00<Armadillio>!ndiswrapper wusb11v4
21:00<javo>i'll tell 'em ! ;)
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21:02<twb>On the subject of 802.11... I'm interested in the Asus eeePC unit, which apparently ships with an Atheros/madwifi chipset. How hard is it to make that go, preferably with WPA, under Lenny/Sid?
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21:05<javo>Now eeepc comes in 9inch :D
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21:07<javo>this week a coworker bought a 7inch model, i just tell you that in its tiny screen is difficult to a standard distro to be seen ok (windows are too big for the screen)
21:07<javo>so options are distros special for eepc
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21:07<javo>so idela are distros...
21:08<Armadillio>my card is wusb11v4, but there is a linux driver for wusb11, would that still work?
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21:09<gsimmons_>Armadillio: No. These models use different chipsets.
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21:12<jrolland-iMac>Does anyone know how to recreate an SSL certificate?
21:12<jrolland-iMac>I made a boo-boo when i set it up, and now I don't know how to correct it
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21:19<basava>how do i setup update monitor to check and notify me reglarly?
21:19<dondelelcaro>just use cron-apt
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21:27<dkr>or apticron
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21:35<jrolland-iMac>Does anyone know how to start tinyca?
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21:36<jrolland-iMac>I installed it, and now I can't figure out how to start it
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21:40<ghostbar>how could I specify how I want to be handle a redirect with some environment variable or something like that? Like redirects to but without making the application handle this?
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21:41<ghostbar>I need a proxy obligatory?
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21:58<dkr>ghostbar: you could try putting an entry for nik.cominyour /etc/hosts file with the ip address of
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22:04<RIVE>Good night.
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22:10<jrolland-iMac>Could someone take a look at this site
22:11<jrolland-iMac>I am trying to configure the last bit for apache and it is confusing
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22:21<Tarcas>jrolland-iMac, what's the problem?
22:23<jrolland-iMac>I created a certificate when i installed SSL, and I did it wrong
22:23<jrolland-iMac>Now I don't know how to correct it
22:24<jrolland-iMac>Also, the certificate I created seems to have expired
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22:24<jrolland-iMac>so, I'd need a new one anyway
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22:25<jrolland-iMac>it gives the error messages
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22:26<Tarcas>When did you create the cert?
22:26<jrolland-iMac>A few months ago, I can't remember exactly when
22:27<jrolland-iMac>tinyca is supposed to be a nice front end for doing this, but I can't figure out how to start it
22:28<jrolland-iMac>i supposedly have tinyca installed via synaptic
22:30<Tarcas>Well, I don't know anything about tinyca, you might want to find a tutorial on that, but for what's on this page, you might want to start at the section entitled "Creating a Root Certificate" and work down from there.
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22:33<jrolland-iMac>I did everyihing down to Installing the Certificate and Key
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22:36<Tarcas>Did you do that with a new certificate, or are you using the expired one?
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22:38<jrolland-iMac>I created a new certificate
22:40<Tarcas>okay, and you're not sure how to install it?
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22:40<jrolland-iMac>Yes, or how to get rid of the old one
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22:41<Tarcas>From what I see, it looks like you can just delete (or move, to be safe) the old one and put your new one in its place. The config file is pointing Apache at the file, not at your old key explicitly.
22:41<Tarcas>If you've done that and it didn't take, try restarting apache.
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22:43<jrolland-iMac>Ok, stupid question: where would my old one be located if I created it following the configuration instrictions in Synaptic?
22:44<me3>anyone ever get the right ubuntu drivers install for ATI 7500 mobile video?
22:44<jrolland-iMac>I've been rooting around and I was unable to find it or a pointer to it
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22:46<Tarcas>/home/httpd/ssl/cert.pem Site certificate /home/httpd/ssl/key.pem Site private key
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22:47<jrolland-iMac>Thanks so much!
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22:48<jrolland-iMac>Oops, that doesn't exits
22:48<jrolland-iMac>home has my three users and "ftp"
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22:49<jrolland-iMac>No httpd
22:49<Tarcas>hmm... That's where the walkthrough says. Check /etc... that usually where those configs go.
22:52<jrolland-iMac>I'll "find" on ssl
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22:53<jello>what's the problem?
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23:14<kmap_lab>Friends, I wish to carry debs for a package available in backports to a place with poor internet, but all three Etch DVDs. Can I find the minimum "extra" debs needed from backports beforehand and carry them with me?
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23:18<jorje_villafan>I just ran memtest86 and I'm not sure how to decifer the results
23:18<Tarcas>kmap_lab, the first CD/DVD has the most popular packages. You can install a complete system from that, but you may be missing some packages you'd wished you'd had. Surely there is a list of what packages are on what disc.
23:20<kmap_lab>Tarcas: That does have it
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23:21<kmap_lab>Tarcas: Just wanted to double check that the backports version doesn't need some other backported package. :-)
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23:23<Tarcas>kmap_lab, I don't know what you're backporting. I suspect that anything on the first CD will have all of its prerequisites on the same CD.
23:23<jorje_villafan>how do I tell if I have bad memory?
23:23<kmap_lab>Tarcas: Manualy checked, seems to be OK.
23:23<kmap_lab>Tarcas: Thanks. git-core is the package, BTW
23:24<jorje_villafan>Says 133 errors
23:24<Tarcas>...considering it's built using popularity contest and any prerequisite packages would have to be at least as popular as the package itself, that would make sense.
23:24<Tarcas>jorje_villafan, any memory errors are unacceptable.
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23:25<jorje_villafan>Do you remember my issues from yesterday?
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23:25<RIVE>jorge_villafan, i think you need to chabge your memory.
23:25<hax>you know the user@host prompt on the shell? where do i define "host"?
23:26<kmap_lab>hax: Try \h in the PS1 variable in bash
23:26<kmap_lab>hax: And to that uses the current hostname
23:26<hax>kmap_lab: err, yeah, i mean for the system though
23:26<kmap_lab>hax: /etc/hostname?
23:26<hax>kmap_lab: that's what i thought, but i don't have one of those
23:27<kmap_lab>hax: Oh! Then what is the output of the hostname command?
23:27<Tarcas>jorje_villafan, I do. Sounds like we were right about bad RAM. Sounds like you need to make a quick stop by Tiger Direct or NewEgg.
23:27<hax>kmap_lab: well, it's the hostname... but it was already assigned to this box when i got it, and there's no /etc/hostname file
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23:28<RIVE>Tarcas i wish someday Newegg wold ship to México, the prices are very good.
23:28<kmap_lab>hax: I see. I _think_ creating that file would change it (as would running hostname <name>)
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23:29<hax>kmap_lab: is it /etc/hostname or /etc/HOSTNAME?
23:29<kmap_lab>hax: Small. No caps.
23:29<hax>hmm i'll try it
23:29<jello>no, /etc/hostname gets read during boot to set hostname
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23:29<jorje_villafan>ThankS!!!!! another question--I want to upgrade my sound card for recording music. Does does anyone have any suggestions?
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23:30<kmap_lab>hax: So, according to jello, creating that file would need a reboot to check, though you could just run the hostname command to set the name (as root)
23:30<hax>kmap_lab: or running /etc/init.d/ works too
23:30<jello>just run /etc/init.d/ start
23:30<hax>got it :)
23:30<Tarcas>Why the fsck is proftpd complaining about not being able to start in neither inetd nor standalone modes? The config file clearly says inetd, which is what I chose at install time. Any ideas?
23:30<kmap_lab>Ah! OK! :-)
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23:53<hachi>anyone know how to build the lirc-modules-source on debian? the docs refer to steps in themself which don't exist
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23:54<hachi>course, module-assistant doesn't work either
23:55<hachi>and I can't build the package from source either
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