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00:02<hax>what builds aliases.db?
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00:02<hachi>if you're talking about postfix
00:02<hachi>then postmap does it
00:03<hachi>or newaliases
00:03<hax>hmm, i'm talking about /etc/aliases... but i did just install postfix
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00:03<hax>i'm not sure if it was there before
00:03<hax>i'd think postfix stuff would be it its own directory though
00:03<hachi>aliases.db is controlled by postfix
00:03<hachi>I'm pretty sure the postfix docs talk about this
00:04<hax>i'd imagine they do, i didn't know it was related :)
00:04<hachi>postmap is what really creates the file, I think 'newaliases' is a script that wraps around that for you
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00:04<hax>yes it is, ty :)
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00:05<hax>i wonder how hard it's going to be to port my .cf files over from an old postfix install on a centos machine
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00:05<jello>newaliases builds /etc/aliases.db
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00:06<hax>yup, it did
00:06<hax>oh one more question, how could i make etch look for security updates and automatically install them?
00:06<hax>(yes, i really want that)
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00:10<hachi>anyone have anything about lirc?
00:10<jello>hax: set up your sources.list to only contain the security source and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y in a cronjob
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00:10<hachi>I've been dicking around with this for days, haven't gotten lirc modules to compile on debian at all yet
00:11<hachi>#debianhelp has a topic, but there's nobody in there
00:11<hachi>well... except me, when I go in there
00:11<jello>oh well...
00:11<hax>jello: there's no way to do it without messing with the sources list? i still wanna be able to install things conveniently
00:12<hachi>last I checked, apt was the convenient way to install things
00:12<hachi>how do you define convenience? obviously you're saying that apt isn't convenient
00:13<jello>hax: yes there is, pass -o Dir::Etc::SourceList to apt
00:13<jello>and define a separate security-only sources.list file
00:13<hax>jello: now that sounds like a plan
00:13*jello wonders why he's telling hax how to really foul his machine up...
00:14<jello>hax: all you have to do is read the manpages... :)
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00:14<jello>hachi: lirc-source-modules looks pretty sucky
00:15<hax>jello: :p
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00:15<jello>hachi: perhaps put in a wishlist to convert to mod-ass ?
00:15<hachi>it's supposed to work with mod-ass already, the maintainers said so in the bug reporter
00:16<hachi>they were like "yeah, the docs suck, but it does work!"
00:16<hax>jello: and i can just put any script i want in cron.hourly/ and expect it to run, right?
00:17<jello>more or less, read the manpage for the details :)
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00:18<hax>jello: got it :p
00:18<hachi> m-a -t build lirc-modules-source
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00:28<hax>if i just install postfix/clamav-daemon/amavisd... is that all going to magically know how to work with each other?
00:30<hax>lol paistis
00:30<hax>err, wrong window
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02:29<prat>hi to all
02:30<SpeedyG> <= these are all soundsettings I know of that are required for this issue, anyone see anything awkward thats causing my digital-out not to produce any sound ?
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03:17<admon>im having trouble installing x and kde
03:17<admon>im pretty sure my sources arent correct, but im not sure what the correct ones should be
03:18<gsimmons>!tell admon -about sources.list
03:18<gsimmons>admon: If you're still unsure, please provide the contents of your sources.list file at a paste site.
03:18<admon>im not using etch
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03:20<admon>this is still sarge
03:21<admon>my sources are just stable main
03:22<gsimmons>admon: 'stable' currently points to Etch, so those sources would be incorrect for Sarge. You'd want to replace 'stable' with either 'sarge' or 'oldstable'.
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03:25<admon>ah alight thank you
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03:26<admon>and just doing an apt-get install kde will install xserver for me and all dependincies right?
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03:27<Error_X>Hey! I accidentially deleted my partitions (Without formatting), is there a way to recover data from it with a software?
03:28<Error_X>Can I do it from a debian boot cd?
03:28<admon>yeah im pretty sure, you can also boot it from a floppy
03:28<admon>if you have a dual boot you can do it from windows
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03:29<Error_X>I tried 'rescue' mode in debian and it only shows one root file system (Even windows partition is deleted
03:29<jm_>Error_X: see if there's gpart on it, otherwise use something like knoppix or grml
03:29<Error_X>its blank... no partitions at all
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03:30<admon>if you can download testdisk you can run it off knoppix
03:30<admon>and it will recover your partition table for you
03:30<Error_X>I'll try
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03:31<suiside>basically you should be able to recreate the partitions if you know their exact size and recover the data that way if you haven't formatted
03:33<admon>wouldnt doing it that way require you to know exactly what sectors they start and end on?
03:33<gsimmons>admon: Your command (to install KDE) should also install an X server. But ask dpkg (the bot) about 'install xf4' in the event you're missing something.
03:33<admon>where as test disk scans for you for deleted partion tables
03:33<admon>alright thanks gsimmons
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03:35<antares>the driver, which is adapted for Dell 3000cn for cups in Debian, is HP Color LaserJet 5500 Footmatic/pxlmono
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03:40<WolfClaw>can anyone tell me when kde4 will be pacakged for debian?
03:40<Baggy2>I've got a standard logitech usb mouse, will it work if only a PS/2 mouse driver is added in the kernel?
03:41<WolfClaw>i think the driver is loaded automatically
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03:41<WolfClaw>only way to know is to plug it in tho :)
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03:41<jm_>Baggy2: it will if you have relevant USB support
03:42<jm_>but not with only ps/2 driver
03:42<jm_>WolfClaw: kde4 is packaged already
03:42<Baggy2>jm_: it gets detected when I plug it in.. but I can't get it to work in my qtopia application..
03:42<WolfClaw>in which distribution
03:42<jm_>see here
03:42<WolfClaw>i am using unstable
03:43<WolfClaw>yes ive been there, but it only shows a live cd.
03:43<Baggy2>jm_: does that mean that this is a qtopia related problem, and not the kernel? I mean since it gets detected and all
03:44<jm_>Baggy2: is it listed in /proc/bus/input/devices?
03:44<jm_>it clearly says - KDE 4.0 experimental
03:44<jm_>but I don't recommend you to install it if you failed to figure this out
03:45<WolfClaw>yes but I'm thinking after kde4 gets released today, maybe a final version will make it through the packaging system.
03:45<WolfClaw>But I dont know how long I'll have to wait for it to pass testing
03:45<Baggy2>jm_: yes, it's listed
03:46<jm_>Baggy2: does it work in X?
03:46<WolfClaw>besides the live cd uses the kde4 beta
03:46<Baggy2>jm_: it's an embedded environment without X
03:46<Baggy2>That is way I'm in doubt
03:46<jm_>Baggy2: did you try gpm? how about simple mouse test with cat?
03:46<lish>what does FLOSS mean?
03:48<Baggy2>jm_: sorry, what is gpm and how exactly can I test it with cat?
03:48<dpkg>[floss] Free/Libre/Open-Source Software, or FLOSS, is an alternative term for free software. It is used by those who wish to be inclusive or who do not want to take a side on whether "free software" or "open-source software" is a better term. Although neither side has shown much enthusiasm for the term "FLOSS".
03:48<jm_>Baggy2: a sec
03:49<jm_>!tell Baggy2 -about usb mouse test
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03:51<WolfClaw>Baggy: are you sating that Qtopia has an ide that doesnt detect your mouse? because I think its an emulator and i thikn you'll have to load the drivers yourself
03:52<jm_>Baggy2: if that works you need to perhaps configure it in qtopia I suppose
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03:53<lish>I want some interesting softwares to taste, such as "bb", a ASCII demo
03:53<jm_>lish: sl
03:54<jm_>lish: toilet/figlet, aafire, aa3d and so on
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03:55<jm_>then there's mplayer -o aa (or -o caca)
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03:55<Slydder>morning ladies
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03:57<Baggy2>jm_: I don't have any directories within the /dev folder, and I can't see any mouse device. I thought this was because of my embedded environment. What do you think? I need to add an additional driver?
03:57<lish>wow. ill try
03:57<Error_X>I get: error while loading shared libraries: when trying to run testdisk in knoppix ( Need to recover my partition tables)
03:57<jm_>Baggy2: ahh the whole system is an embedded device?
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03:59<WolfClaw>Baggy2: yes you proabably will. Way I figure it, qtopia emulates your target device and installs (embedded) linux on it for you. You will probably find info for getting your mouse to run on qtopia's site.
04:00<WolfClaw>but still why would you need a mouse
04:00<WolfClaw>whats your target hardware?
04:00<Baggy2>jm_: yes
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04:01<Baggy2>jm_: but the qtopia app is added afterwards
04:01<Baggy2>WolfClaw: I am using a third party cross compiler toolchain
04:02<jm_>Baggy2: hmm do you have MAKEDEV/makedev? what about /proc/devices - does it list misc and usb?
04:03<WolfClaw>Baggy2: my point exactly. does your target hardware, the one youre cross compiling for, supprot a mouse?
04:03<WolfClaw>If its custom hardware you will probably have to write the mouse driver yourself
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04:04<Baggy2>WolfClaw: that was my initial question. I've configured the kernel myself, but I only added PS/2 mouse.. I thought that was sufficient, since the mouse gets detected and all
04:04<Baggy2>WolfClaw: its an x86 based controller
04:05<Baggy2>with standard usb interface
04:05<WolfClaw>Baggy2: I guess it isnt sufficient. Have you tried a PS/2 mouse?
04:05<Baggy2>the keyboard works fine
04:05<WolfClaw>The keyboard is usb?
04:05<WolfClaw>then i think you'll have to add a usb mouse driver.
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04:06<WolfClaw>i dont think a ps/2 mouse driver will be sufficient
04:06<WolfClaw>maybe qtopia adds the keyboard driver by defalut
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04:08<Baggy2>WolfClaw: it also adds a default mouse driver..
04:09<Baggy2>jm_: usb and misc is listed
04:09<Baggy2>jm_: i've got no MAKEDEV/makedev
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04:10<WolfClaw>Baggy2: does qtopia give you the specs for the default mouse driver? And does your mouse run on a standard linux install on a PC?
04:11<Baggy2>jm_: do you think the solution might be to add the "Logitech busmouse" in kernel?
04:12<Baggy2>WolfClaw: I've got the following choices "pc bus linuxtp yopy vr41xx tslib qvfb", pc linuxtp is selected by default..
04:14<WolfClaw>baggy2: well sorry baggy but you've lost me there. I dont know that much about drivers.
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04:14<WolfClaw>I think your best bet would be to get over to qtopia's forums
04:14<WolfClaw>they'll probably knwo much more and they'll understand your hardware better
04:14<Baggy2>However, I beleive that the qtopia mouse driver will only work if there is a mouce mounted at /dev/input/mouse0
04:16<wolfgang> HELLO
04:16<Baggy2>WolfClaw: Both my hw and linux environment are custom made..
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04:16<WolfClaw>but your mouse isnt
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04:17<WolfClaw>if you have a linux installation, plug your mouse in your pc and see what drivers it loads.
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04:28<jm_>Baggy2: do you have mknod?
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04:31<Baggy2>jm_: yes
04:31<jm_>Baggy2: so use that to create devices in /dev
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04:36<Baggy2>jm_: never used mknod before, will there be a problem due to my fs being read only?
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04:38<jm_>Baggy2: even /dev is read only?
04:39<Baggy2>jm_: unable to create folders in there
04:39<jm_>Baggy2: directories, not folders - well if qtopia insists on using /dev/input/mouse0 then you'll have to create it
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04:40<Baggy2>jm_: thanks, I'll do some reading.. :-)
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04:42<zepard>hi people
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04:43<jm_>Baggy2: you'll find major/minor numbers with ls -l or in devices.txt, or simply do it on a system where MAKEDEV exists
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04:45<Baggy2>jm_: where is the devices.txt located?
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04:57<admon>hi im having truble getting x11 to work
04:57<mikes>admon: new installation?
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04:58<Supaplex>admon: teleporter plugin not working?
04:58<admon>no x server wont start
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04:59<Supaplex>when you attempt to start it, are error messages displayed?
04:59<mikes>admon: be sure that you 've installed xorg with "apt-get install xorg", then configure it with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
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05:00<admon>i was trying to setup xorg but i couldnt remember the command
05:00<admon>im going to try to install xorg right now
05:00<BBoyDanny>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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05:01<mikes>admon: what type of display card do you have??
05:01<mikes>nvidia, ati etc??
05:01<admon>ati 9800 pro
05:01<admon>ive never had a problem before, i jsut cant remember exactly what packages i need
05:01<mikes>be sure to check radeon driver when configuring xorg ;)
05:01<gsimmons>admon: Is this still for your Sarge system?
05:02<mikes>admon: for a base install of xorg you need xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-ati, but in order to be sure you got everything you need just install whole xorg ;)
05:02<admon>yes its still sarge
05:03<gsimmons>!install xf4
05:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, install xf4 is "aptitude install read-edid mdetect discover x-window-system". You'll also want to install a window manager. You should consider upgrading to etch instead, ask me about <sarge->etch>
05:03<mikes>no big difference in Mb ;). then you may manually remove the unwanted drivers packages
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05:15<Rain_BG>can someone help me with RAID configuration on etch2 .... it gives me strange results when detecting my arrays
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05:18<Supaplex>not I, but you'll have better luck if you provide details on "strange"
05:20<Rain_BG>ok ... i define RAID10 array , but debian detects my hard drives like normal sata drives
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05:21<Maulkin>Rain_BG: Sounds like an issue with your raid controller.
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05:21<Rain_BG>i'm not shure
05:21<Rain_BG>it gives me status normal
05:21<sep>Rain_BG, sounds like you have loaded the wrong kernel driver. or you have a to old kernel driver. for your raid card. (or a crappy fake raid onboard raid controller)
05:21<Rain_BG>ot is onboard yes
05:21<Rain_BG>marvell 88se61xx
05:22<Rain_BG>intell matrix ...
05:22<Rain_BG>ASUS p5e ws pro MB
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05:24<Rain_BG>thats bad ... but .. why it cant detect my cdrom
05:24<Rain_BG>i can by promise pci raid card ... and
05:24<Rain_BG>hopefully the installation will detect them automatically
05:25<Maulkin>Rain_BG: Don't bother with the onboard hardware raid controller, just use software raid
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05:25<Rain_BG>how ?
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05:25<Rain_BG>i didnt see option for software raid
05:25<Maulkin>The Debian installer can do that for you
05:26<thctlo2>hi im looking for somebody who knows zarafa
05:26<thctlo2>( )
05:26<Rain_BG>will it be secure as hardware raid ?
05:27<thctlo2>hardware raid is safer.
05:27<thctlo2>but use BatteryBackup Cache to make it realy safe
05:27<sheldonh>hardware raid covers a huge range of products, and some of them are rubbish, compared with linux md
05:27<thctlo2>not noncence.
05:28<Maulkin>YEs it is
05:28<sheldonh>thctlo2: it's like saying mamals are faster than reptiles
05:28<Rain_BG>all i need to know is will it be safe enought
05:28<thctlo2>yes thats true, but in general hardware raid is safer
05:28<Rain_BG>i will use the pc for backup storage
05:28<Rain_BG>it is ~ 4 TB
05:28<sheldonh>thctlo2: you've obviously had very good luck with raid controllers :)
05:28<thctlo2>no i investigate first before i buy
05:29<sheldonh>thctlo2: that can help :)
05:29<Rain_BG>ok ... software raid ... but ...
05:29<thctlo2>i have dell server with perc raid controllers, and cone pc, with 3ware raid controllers
05:29<Rain_BG>what about detection of the cdropm
05:29<thctlo2>and,.. i also have software raid. :-)
05:29<Rain_BG>looks like bad pata driver
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05:29<thctlo2>only the proxy server
05:29<Maulkin>thctlo2: Hahahahaha. Oh dear... cheap and nasty then.
05:29<thctlo2>whats the problem Rain_BG
05:30<Maulkin>Rain_BG: is this a different issue?
05:30<Rain_BG>Maulkin: yep
05:30<Rain_BG>the PC boots
05:30<Rain_BG>from dcrom
05:30<Rain_BG>and when the setup try to mount cdrom
05:30<Rain_BG>for the installation process
05:30<Maulkin>thctlo2: I've had major problems with 3com, especially when it decides to start throwing out files containing all 0s.... :)
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05:30<Rain_BG>it says it cant find any cdroms
05:31<Maulkin>!sata cdrom
05:31<dpkg>Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See . For a netinst w/libata, see to make one with a custom kernel, or for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work
05:31<Rain_BG>not sata
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05:31<thctlo2>pata cdrom ? on what kind of ide chip set
05:31<Rain_BG>with marvell 88se61xx pata controller
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05:32<zepard>looking for language to interesting learn for next moths any idea? ocaml, lisp or more python, ruby..
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05:32<Maulkin>zepard: bash.
05:32<zepard>(this senyence is wierd :))
05:32<misslissa>how to you start dbus on a debian 4.0 system
05:32<thctlo2>is it a Asus P5K mainboard Radiance
05:32<Rain_BG>i didnt tru disable it
05:32<misslissa>when i boot up it tells me i must start dbus
05:32<themill>zepard: depends what you want to do... if it's to be useful for the long run, then bash and perl
05:32<Maulkin>Rain_BG: looks like some of those are very unsupported. Try just ignoring it
05:32<misslissa>i dont know what that is
05:33<Maulkin>ie: plug it straight into your motherboard instead
05:33<Rain_BG>ok ... big deal ... i will use external dvd rom
05:33<Rain_BG>it is in the motherboard
05:33<thctlo2>the marvel controller is a Pata AND Sata controller.
05:33<Maulkin>Rain_BG: Wasn't that your SATA controller?
05:33<misslissa>i tried looking it up no go
05:33<Maulkin>Oh, lovely...
05:33<misslissa>any one??
05:33<thctlo2>set the marvel to PATA only , and not AHCI
05:33<Rain_BG>it is discribed as
05:34<Rain_BG>PATA/eSATA controller
05:34<zepard>i'll take a look at them (bash , perl)
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05:34<thctlo2>so disable the sata part, and make sure only pata is enabled
05:34<Rain_BG>it is
05:34<Rain_BG>but setup dont detect it
05:34<Maulkin>misslissa: /etc/init.d/dbus start
05:34<misslissa>Thank you very much
05:35<misslissa>yeah it worked
05:35<misslissa>you are awsome
05:36<zepard>but i thought bash was only for system scripting!
05:36<Maulkin>zepard: Ish.
05:36<Maulkin>Rain_BG: .oO(You may want to go buy another controller...)
05:36<Rain_BG>it is onboard
05:36<themill>zepard: "only" is being a bit harsh. If you want to learn something that will always be useful to you, then learn some bash.
05:37<Maulkin>zepard: it doesn't only need to be used for scripting.
05:37<Maulkin>Rain_BG: You can still buy a PCI one
05:37<sheldonh>in fact, i'd say bash is only for interactive shellss
05:37<Rain_BG>3ware is $800
05:37<Rain_BG>i dont think so :)
05:37<Rain_BG>i will use software raid
05:37<sheldonh>shell scripts should target the bourne shell, not the bourne-again shell, i reckon
05:38<thctlo2>no can be much cheaper
05:38<Rain_BG>there have to be raid toops package
05:38<Rain_BG>right ?
05:38<Maulkin>Rain_BG: I didn't say 3ware. Anything else is better than something by marvell.
05:38<zepard>ok lets go for bash
05:38<thctlo2>or the an installer with kernel or higher
05:38<Maulkin>But for RAID, unless you're carfeul, stick with software raid.
05:38*sheldonh sighs
05:38<Rain_BG>i have 6 supermicro servers
05:38<Rain_BG>with 3ware raid
05:39<thctlo2>read that
05:39<Rain_BG>it works perfect but
05:39<Rain_BG>it is toooo expensive :)
05:39<thctlo2>Rain_BG: if your handy, you can install on your controller, just read the above link
05:40<Maulkin>sheldonh: Well, yes. zepard: you should also take care to learn the differences between bash and a POSIX shell.
05:40<Rain_BG>i'll try it
05:40<Rain_BG>i'll try in legacy mode
05:40<Rain_BG>if it dont works i will turn it off
05:41<zepard>are their libraries in bash?
05:41<zepard>be back
05:42<Rain_BG>libs ?
05:42<Rain_BG>what for ?
05:45<Rain_BG>Maulkin: ok ... i have a qustion ...
05:45<thctlo2>and Rain_BG : you could check this also:
05:45<Rain_BG>what to use
05:45<Rain_BG>AHCI or standart IDE ?
05:45<thctlo2>.. Standaard IDE, or no cdrom player wil be detected
05:45<Rain_BG>for the hard drives
05:45<thctlo2>++ > read :
05:45<Rain_BG>for software raid
05:46<sheldonh>you don't want your cdrom on the same controller as your raided disks
05:46<sheldonh>typically, new motherboards have a separate ide controller just for cdrom
05:46<thctlo2>software raid from within the sata controlleer also has problems. , ICH9 isn't supported under Linux unless you're using kernel 2.6.21+.
05:46<sheldonh>well, "new" for me, anyway :)
05:47<sheldonh>oh the joy of the new intel motherboards
05:47<Rain_BG>it is
05:47<sheldonh>load of rubbish
05:47<Rain_BG>IDE controller on the MB
05:47<Rain_BG>but it works with the marvell controller
05:47<Rain_BG>and it is presented as PATA
05:47<thctlo2>my tip, go here: download a iso and try
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05:49<Rain_BG>i will
05:49<thctlo2>i'll bet, this isos will work
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05:49<thctlo2>at least for me they did
05:49<thctlo2>:D :D
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05:53<thctlo2>now me, who is good with ldap searches.
05:53<thctlo2>i new with this, and i need to search uid> 2000 and < 20000
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05:54<zepard>Rain_BG, libs for multithreading, gtk, protocols use, mailing ...
05:54<Maulkin>ldapsearch -x uid<20000 uid>2000
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05:55<themill>thctlo2: ^^ protect the < and > from the shell though
05:55<Maulkin>More precicely...
05:56<Maulkin>actually... ldapsearch -x '(&(uid>2000)(uid<20000))'
05:56<Maulkin>That should do ya
05:56<thctlo2>my search starts like this: (objectClass=posixAccount)
05:56<Rain_BG>zepard: nope :)
05:56<Rain_BG>you have to implement them yourself :)
05:56<Rain_BG>you can make syscalls
05:56<Rain_BG>so .. :)
05:56<zepard>at my work they are thinking to do some half time telecommuting, problem: they use VSS (MS thing to develop apps) I haven(t MSWin is there a solution for this
05:56<Rain_BG>you can do anything
05:57<Maulkin>zepard: Deos it work under wine?
05:57<Maulkin>If not, try VMWare.
05:57<Rain_BG>VMWare will do the work
05:57<Rain_BG>at my work programmers use it for win software devel
05:58<zepard>Maulkin, didn't here that, i will look
05:58<thctlo2>so : ((objectClass=posixAccount)&(uid>2000)(uid<20000)) could work
05:58<Maulkin>zepard: or get work to provide you with a computer.
05:58<zepard>My purpose is to use debian
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05:59<jm_>Baggy2: still here?
05:59<thctlo2>my purpose is to only use debian :D
05:59<Baggy2>jm_: yep, think I got it now
05:59<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks for getting me on the right track earlier =)
05:59<Baggy2>saved me a lot of time
06:00<zepard>Maulkin, VMWare? that requires Win installed no?
06:00<Baggy2>lunch now..
06:00<Rain_BG>there is a package for vmware for linux
06:00<Maulkin>zepard: erm... no
06:00<Rain_BG>its just a virtual machine ....
06:00<Rain_BG>software ...
06:01<Rain_BG>like Microsoft Virtual machine , or Vbox
06:01<zepard>it virtualize any thing without installing it?
06:01<Rain_BG>it makes container
06:01<Rain_BG>on the hard drive ...
06:01<Rain_BG>lets say ... 10 GB
06:02<Rain_BG>and it starts virual computer in a windows
06:02<Rain_BG>and you can install anything in this computer
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06:02<Rain_BG>(container is the hard drive of this computer)
06:02<Rain_BG>like real PC ...
06:02<zepard>so I should install MSW
06:02<petemc>vmware can run on top of linux
06:02<Rain_BG>youo should install windows furst
06:02<zepard>with VMWare
06:03<Rain_BG>than in the windows installed in the vmware
06:03<Rain_BG>you can isntall anything you want
06:03<Rain_BG>just find it and try it
06:03<Rain_BG>you will get the point
06:03<zepard>rr, no ... i'll try first with wine
06:03<zepard>I don't want MSW on my laptop
06:04<thctlo2>.. install xen, its in debian
06:04<thctlo2>of use xen 4 if your cpu support VT
06:04<thctlo2>yes xen
06:05<thctlo2> xen debian howto ;-)
06:05<zepard>another virtualizer
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06:06<zepard>I see, it's a host based thing
06:06<thctlo2>yes xen express looks nice, but your cpu must support VT ( intel ) of AMD xxx
06:06<thctlo2>amd svm i thinks
06:07<thctlo2>yes hvm it was for AMD
06:08<zepard>but it assumes that I will have a complete acces to my work machine
06:08<thctlo2>im runnin xen on etch with 3.0.3 on 3ware raid, works very nice , almost 1 year running now without any problems
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06:09<thctlo2>you need addes for the installation, ( aka, put cd in cdrom drive ) and after u can use console from xp or linux pc
06:09<thctlo2>or by gui or bij webinterface
06:09<thctlo2>addes = access ..
06:09<thctlo2>sorry dronk to much coffee
06:10<zepard>thctlo2, or other thing
06:10<Rain_BG>i'm sick of this
06:10<zepard>thctlo2, :)
06:10<Rain_BG>now it cant find ahci drives
06:11<thctlo2>Rain_BG but your cdrom drive is found, did you use the d-i installer from the link i send.
06:11<zepard>thctlo2, you mean I should install xen on my working machine (at work)?
06:11<Rain_BG>i'm still downloading it
06:11<Rain_BG>i'm testing something else
06:11<thctlo2>yes thats also possible, but no xen 4 ,
06:11<thctlo2>only xen 3.03
06:11<petemc>3.1 would be better
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06:12<thctlo2>3.1 is better yes. . just apt-cache polixy xen-hypervisor
06:12<zepard>thctlo2, I can't install softwares on my working machine
06:12<petemc>zepard: use qemu, vmware or vbox - they're all easy to use
06:12<Rain_BG>run kernel exploit and you will :D
06:13<thctlo2>or chroot en debbootstrap
06:13<petemc>for windows?
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06:13<Rain_BG>or leave "i dont like sysadmin to run my bin files"-like backdoor
06:14<zepard>you have a job for me :D
06:14<zepard>I can't leave just like that its a client
06:14<zepard>I mean customer
06:15<zepard>I don't like it though
06:16<thctlo2>zepard, just show your admin this : and your on to a new job :D :D
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06:17<zepard>:D i think it's too complicated to my "sysadmin"
06:18<zepard>sorry it's evil
06:18<thctlo2>haha, it just copy past and change ipnummers, .. haha
06:18<thctlo2>im running xen with xen_shell and argo very simpel to setup, but no clustering, thats for the next server(s)
06:19<zepard>they are "linux-phobics"
06:20<zepard>I think
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06:20<thctlo2>then they must see my netwerk, no windows servers, but almost all the windows functionality
06:20<zepard>sorry I just said my wisdom theeth (off topic)
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06:21<zepard>said bye to wisdoms
06:21<thctlo2>groupware emai ( zarafa ) thats the only payed product .. anti spam solution which only passes about 1 spam message a week .. ddns dhcp samba cups nfs and more
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06:21<thctlo2>atm 6 servers
06:21<CK_Low>i have install captive-statis , why i still cant mount ntfs partition on debian
06:21<zepard>they use lotus, does it work on linux?
06:22<thctlo2>lotus notes works fine on linux servers
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06:22<zepard>erally didn't know that clietns too?
06:23<thctlo2>client is available for linux,
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06:23<zepard>it's an old version
06:23<thctlo2>but my users dont have linux client the use windows xp..
06:23<thctlo2>they are not prepair ( jet ) to run fully linux client
06:24<thctlo2>my software is.
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06:25<gsimmons>!tell CK_Low -about captive
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06:26<thctlo2>zepard, change from windows based server to linux base server i saved about 30.000 euro on licencing.
06:26<thctlo2>thats always good to tell your boss.. :-)
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06:27<zepard>and fire the sytsadmin
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06:28<thctlo2>you can hire me ;-) if your not living to far away.. me lives in the Netherlands
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06:29<zepard>not too far paris
06:29<thctlo2>a paris is nice i'v been there.. long ago
06:30<thctlo2>but only just passing through ...
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06:31<zepard>its there
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06:32<thctlo2>nice view if your on a high building.
06:33<zepard>level 17
06:33<thctlo2>haha nice
06:33<zepard>view on town, but facing a bitch on my desktopo
06:33<thctlo2>picture ;-)
06:34<thctlo2>i like bitches
06:34<thctlo2>haaha :D
06:34<zepard>50 years old, 80 kg
06:34<thctlo2>no no pictures please
06:34<zepard>always on phone how to develp ?
06:35<zepard>msw and freewares every were
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06:36<thctlo2>i came from ms and novell and as400 systeem, but linux ( debian ) is the best, its just how you combine it.
06:37<zepard>im pro-linux dude. but people not
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06:37<thctlo2>you just have to show them the best of 2 worlds, its not linux is the best of windows is the best, both have advantages and disadvantages..
06:38<zepard>question: is Ocaml faster the C or C++
06:38<CK_Low>i can mount ntfs partition now , but cant save and all my chinese character folder is gone , wat can i do
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06:39<zepard>it's not only best or not best question. it's also political. and education spends
06:40<thctlo2>CK_Low , i dont know chinise, but who is your locales set ( dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales )
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06:40<CK_Low>thctlo2, i also dont know , i new to linux , can u guide me?
06:41<thctlo2>dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
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06:41<thctlo2>check if your locales is enabled and set to default choose the safe on . -utf8
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06:42<thctlo2>to see al the supported locales : iconv -l
06:42<thctlo2>but i dont know which locales is used for chinese
06:43<thctlo2>and in 3 min im out for lunch :D .. need food :D
06:43<CK_Low>too bad
06:43<CK_Low>how do i change the setting
06:44<thctlo2>run: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
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06:44<thctlo2>select all you want, and set a default
06:44<thctlo2>logout and login again to enable it
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06:44<thctlo2>and / or read :
06:44<CK_Low>ok i try
06:45<thctlo2>good luck, im back in 45 min , me out for lunch
06:45<CK_Low>thanks thctlo2
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06:59<xDbr>man, all mirrors that i try don´t work. Wich one should i choose?
07:00<xDbr>i´m tring to install debian
07:01<jm_>perhaps the problem is not with mirrors then?
07:01<xDbr>i received a message: Bad archive mirror
07:02<xDbr>petemc: wich country?
07:02<petemc>for me, uk
07:02<xDbr>ok, i gonna try
07:02<petemc>obviously it vaires according to where you are]
07:02<petemc>i would have though that was obvious
07:03<xDbr>I alredy tried this one,
07:03<xDbr>same error
07:04<petemc>does your network work?
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07:04<jm_>try to access the mirror from 2nd tty
07:04<jm_>(by hand)
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07:05<petemc>how did you verify that?
07:05<jm_>see other ttys to check if it reports more info about the error there
07:06<xDbr>i installed DSL before..... but it is a crap
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07:07<jm_>so you basically haven't verified it
07:07<xDbr>i surfed on net
07:07<xDbr>i select the mirror and after a long time a receive this message:
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07:07<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ Hi there, I found the network printer finally. For the record, foomatic-gui spotted it straight away
07:08<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: how was it added in the end?
07:08<xDbr>Bad archive mirror: The specified Debian archive mirror is either not avaliable, or does not have a valid release file on it.Please try a diferent mirror
07:08<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: grep DeviceURI /etc/cups/printers.conf
07:08<AndyJ_Australia>jm_, one sec I'll cut n paste
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07:09<jm_>xDbr: please see above
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07:09<xDbr>see what?
07:09<jm_>the suggestions petemc and me gave you 5 minutes ago
07:09<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ smb://KM-NetPrinters/KM752DE9/PRINTER
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07:10<xDbr>i don´t know what is tty
07:10<xDbr>sorry =/
07:10<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: ahh including the domain name
07:10<jm_>xDbr: alt-f1 alt-f2 ... gives youa ccess to several ttys
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07:11<slapaf>i'm trying to install latest 2.6-amd64 to a HP DL380 G5, everthing installs fine but at first boot it hangs on Grub
07:11<slapaf>saying error 15....=/
07:11<slapaf>anyone know what that would mean?
07:12<jm_>info grub lists error numbers
07:12<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ : the "km-netprinters" part was visible in a smb window, and I'd found the printer name, but the PRINTER on the end was the part that had me stumped
07:12<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: that's share name
07:12<AndyJ_Australia>That plus "print test page" doesn't seem to work from the Printers window.
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07:13<slapaf>jm_: thx, it says "file not found" how do I find out what file its looking for ?
07:13<jm_>slapaf: who says that?
07:14<slapaf>grub list of errors
07:14<Rain_BG>how to make software raid ?
07:14<slapaf>error 15 in stage 1.5
07:14<jm_>slapaf: right it does mean file not found
07:15<AndyJ_Australia>slapaf: I'm always pleased to hear that there is another AMD-64 user out there :-)
07:15<slapaf>not for long if i cant install it
07:16<AndyJ_Australia>slapaf: If you do get it installed, you may find flash is a drag
07:17<thctlo2>flash a drag.. just apt-get install libflash-mozplugin
07:17<AndyJ_Australia>I've ended up installing a 32bit chroot so that I can use websites based on Flash 9.0
07:17<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: it's availablethese days
07:17<AndyJ_Australia>Good news
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07:17<slapaf>Andy: tis for a server
07:17<AndyJ_Australia>Too easy
07:18<AndyJ_Australia>I installed AMD-64 as a net install, it was pretty easy
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07:19<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia : check this
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07:19<slapaf>andy: yes, i use netinstall aswell, and it install alrigth
07:19<xDbr>AndyJ_Australia: you took wich mirror?
07:20<slapaf>but can't boot with Grub
07:21<thctlo2>slapaf : do lsmod and pm me for the output .
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07:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:21<themill>^^ then others can see it too
07:21<thctlo2>thats true..
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07:22<slapaf>how do i lsmod when i can't boot?
07:22<thctlo2>slapaf: at te install before the reboot, alt -F1 or F3 to console
07:22<thctlo2>there lsmod
07:23<slapaf>ok thx
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07:23<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: I used a local mirror, internode.
07:23<xDbr>AndyJ_Australia: thnks
07:23<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: No worries
07:24<slapaf>thctlo2: hang on, need to setup ilo first then so i don't have to run to serverroom...
07:24<thctlo2>ok i'll wait ,no problem.
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07:30<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: I've had a look at the FlashPlayer ref, but it doesn't mention AMD-64...
07:30<AndyJ_Australia>I've installed the 32bit Flash 9.0 player, but it didn't behave...
07:31<AndyJ_Australia>I had a couple of other 32 bit applications, so the chroot solved a few probs in one go.
07:31<thctlo2>wel then to apt-get build-dep flashplugin-nonfree && apt-get source flashplugin-nonfree -b
07:31<thctlo2>then you have amd 64 packages
07:31<jm_>haha right
07:32<thctlo2>or ... get the backports
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07:33<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia : just wget this : wget
07:33<thctlo2>dpkg -i flash...
07:33*dpkg installs flash... into thctlo2's head with a bone saw and a few screws
07:34<thctlo2>nice :D haha
07:34<thctlo2>but i dont use flash, to insecure..
07:35<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: I hate flash with a passion! But unfortunately a couple of lame genealogy sites rely on it for family trees
07:35<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: not to mention utoob
07:36<AndyJ_Australia>apt-get failed "no such package"
07:37<AndyJ_Australia>wget worked
07:37<thctlo2>in /etc/apt/sources.list add the backports tree
07:37<thctlo2>add: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
07:38<thctlo2>then: apt-get -t etch-backports install flash... etc.
07:38<thctlo2>and read :
07:40<themill>or use flash from dmm
07:40<AndyJ_Australia>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available :-(
07:40<themill>!adobe flash
07:40<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from or flashplayer-mozilla from (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
07:41<AndyJ_Australia>Seriously people, it's working fine in chroot, and that gives me the benefit of jailing flash
07:42<thctlo2>its working fine here bij installing from apt ( also on amd64 )
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07:43<thctlo2>what does : apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree say
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07:44<AndyJ_Australia>installed none, candidates none,
07:44<thctlo2>? and you added in your sources.list the backports tree
07:44<thctlo2>add: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
07:44<thctlo2>then apt-get update
07:44<AndyJ_Australia>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch-backports/mai n Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_mai n_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
07:44<AndyJ_Australia>apologies for the multi-line post
07:45<themill>can you pastebin your sources.list then?
07:45<AndyJ_Australia>one sec
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07:46<thctlo2>.. remove the " " in mai n_
07:46<thctlo2>in /etc/apt/sources.lst
07:46<thctlo2>in /etc/apt/sources.list
07:47<thctlo2>then apt-get update
07:47<xDbr>how to test if i´m conected in my network?
07:47<AndyJ_Australia>The space is only an artifact of IRC
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07:48<thctlo2>yes i see
07:48<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: ping something on your network
07:48<AndyJ_Australia>ping ipaddress
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07:48<thctlo2>get mine : wget
07:49<thctlo2>and compair
07:49<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: or ifconfig
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07:49<themill>AndyJ_Australia: since you're in .au, you could use the monash uni mirror rather than the US mirror as that will give you better dl speed.
07:50<themill>AndyJ_Australia: but that's a minor point...
07:50<themill>AndyJ_Australia: deb etch main contrib non-free
07:50<thctlo2>and add # before the cdrom
07:51<AndyJ_Australia>The internode mirror is my ISP
07:51<thctlo2>xDbr: type route
07:51<themill>AndyJ_Australia: tends to be a bit of a crappy mirror at times... I often include it as well as then at least one of other will work ;)
07:51<AndyJ_Australia>Very local
07:51<themill>AndyJ_Australia: you've only got a deb-src for that though
07:51<thctlo2>what is default its gateway address
07:51<themill>AndyJ_Australia: your actual mirror for downloading packages is the us mirror.
07:52<AndyJ_Australia>Clearly I should do some work on the sources...
07:53<themill>AndyJ_Australia: :)
07:53<thctlo2>xDbr: route add default gw ipadress
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07:53<AndyJ_Australia>That backports address is not working at all though.
07:53<thctlo2>ow yes is it is andy
07:53<themill>AndyJ_Australia: can you pastebin the entire output of apt-get update
07:54<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia: apt-get -t etch-backports install flash... etc.
07:54<thctlo2>should work fine
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07:55<AndyJ_Australia>I'll drop the backports address from sources first, all I'm getting is a pile of errors
07:55<themill>thctlo2: AndyJ_Australia's earlier post indicated that the packages list wasn't downloaded
07:55<thctlo2>therefor i said: get mine: wget
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07:56<themill>AndyJ_Australia: it might be worthwhile working this through... what are the errors
07:56<thctlo2>and install the debian-archive ring : apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
07:56<thctlo2>then apt-get update
07:56<AndyJ_Australia>(/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_ contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
07:56<themill>there should have been errors before that. please pastebin the entire output
07:57<jm_>ignore that
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07:57<thctlo2>i can apt-get update backports fine here.
07:57<themill>thctlo2: there's nothing wrong with the sources.list that should cause that.
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07:58<thctlo2>still this is strange : mai n
07:58<themill>I was hoping for apt0get update
07:59<thctlo2>same as: backports _non-free
07:59<themill>thctlo2: that's just a line wrapping thing
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08:00<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: I agree! I wonder if there is a weird character in there? I'll type it in by hand and see what happens
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08:01<themill>[12:53] <themill> AndyJ_Australia: can you pastebin the entire output of apt-get update
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08:02<Entheogen>does anyone know when kde4 will be available for testing\unstable?
08:03<AndyJ_Australia>Here you go: the space has gone now, but still plenty of errors
08:03<azeem>Entheogen: see debian-devel-announce
08:03<themill>!tell Entheogen about kde4
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08:03<EvilClaes>någon som har lyckats att koppla sin Vista dator till en Debian-server?
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08:04<themill>AndyJ_Australia: that's not the output of apt-get update
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08:05<thctlo2>EvilClaes which country are you from
08:05<AndyJ_Australia>themill: Sorry, I assumed you meant repeating the earlier attempt
08:05<dpkg>methinks se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode ( Not anymore.
08:06<azeem>heh, not anymore
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08:06<azeem>there's 40 users there
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08:07<themill>azeem: activity?
08:07<themill>or are they all bots
08:07<helldaemon>can someone help me with creating software raid ot deb 4.0rc2 ?
08:07<helldaemon>i get some errors and i dont know how to act
08:07<xDbr>i´m using dhcp on my router, but debian can´t find it
08:07<azeem>well, I didn't check
08:08<azeem>I only ran /list on freenode
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08:08<helldaemon>first to create the volumes, the file sustem and after that
08:08<helldaemon>creating the mountpoints
08:08<xDbr>man, weeks for install debian
08:08<thctlo2>helldaemon :
08:08<themill>AndyJ_Australia: ok. try running apt-get debian-backports-keyring
08:08<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: Hmmm... I'm trying to remember the steps I followed
08:08<helldaemon>thats cool but i have 2 raid1 arrays
08:08<themill>AndyJ_Australia: ermapt-get install debian-backports-keyring
08:09<themill>AndyJ_Australia: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
08:09<themill>ffs.... I need a coffee
08:09<thctlo2>so that works the same helldaemon
08:09<helldaemon>i'll try
08:10<thctlo2>helldaemon: and you could read:
08:10<AndyJ_Australia>Yes, I missed the install first time too.
08:10<AndyJ_Australia>23:41 here, affects quality of thinking
08:10<thctlo2>nice here it is 14:10 :D
08:11<xDbr>here is 11:17
08:11<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: Friday?
08:11<thctlo2>i live in the Netherlands
08:11<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: I'm living in your future! I'll try to not mess it up
08:11<thctlo2>haha nice lol
08:12<helldaemon>the second link is more helpfull
08:12<thctlo2>your welkom
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08:13<thctlo2>and helldaemon: just google a bit, i used: debian software raid howto ;-)
08:13<thctlo2>lots of articels on software raid.
08:13<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: are tyou running an X desktop?
08:14<helldaemon>yeah i know .. i found the first link by myself
08:14<helldaemon>but i didnt uderstood a lot
08:14<panv>i have been trying to solve my usb external hard disk for one month now, and it is not yet working
08:14<panv>i have read most of the posts.. on the net...
08:14<thctlo2>and helldaemon: you also seen this one:
08:15<panv>it is working very fine under windows, but my debian cannot just open it
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08:15<helldaemon>what about the swap
08:15<panv>IO Error...
08:15<panv>and i cannot format it...
08:15<panv>fdisk cannot see it...
08:15<thctlo2>i create the swap also on raid1 ,
08:15<panv>what about the swap /.???
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08:15<AndyJ_Australia>xDbr: Private Chat?
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08:17<AndyJ_Australia>flashplugin-nonfree: Depends: nspluginwrapper (>= but it is not installable
08:18<thctlo2>ists simple andy
08:18<thctlo2>apt-get source nspluginwrapper -b
08:18<helldaemon>swap ... logical or primary ?
08:18<thctlo2>if build fails, apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper
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08:19<helldaemon>sry for the dumb question :)
08:19<thctlo2>swap does not matter if logical or primary
08:19<AndyJ_Australia>E: Unable to find a source package for nspluginwrapper
08:19<thctlo2>hmm give me a sec AndyJ_Australia
08:21<panv>no one likes to help me in my issue :(
08:22<AndyJ_Australia>panv: Not enough info to know if I can help
08:22<AndyJ_Australia>My experience of external drives is: plug in, debian finds
08:22<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia : enable the unstable sources in your apt list ( see my sources.list ) , apt-get source ia32-libs-gtk && dpkg -i ia32-libs-gtk.
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08:24<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia : apt-get source ia32-libs && dpkg -i ia32-libs
08:24<helldaemon>wonderful ... 10x a lot thctlo2
08:24<thctlo2>install these 2 , the do the nswrapper
08:25<thctlo2>your welkom helldaemon
08:25<helldaemon>i hope it will be ok .. after that
08:25<helldaemon>and the japanese patched setup
08:25<thctlo2>and helldaemon
08:25<helldaemon>didnt work :D
08:25<thctlo2>good luck
08:25<thctlo2>then doe the flashplugin
08:25<AndyJ_Australia>need to get 273MB of source archives.
08:26<thctlo2>yep you need the software to compile
08:26<AndyJ_Australia>Of course, I've already installed all the 32bit libraries in the chroot.
08:26<AndyJ_Australia>Where flash works
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08:27<AndyJ_Australia>I wonder what happened to xDbr ???
08:27<thctlo2>i think he lost his internet .. grinnn.. ;-)
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08:28<AndyJ_Australia>Reminds me of old days...
08:28*helldaemon is looking for lost internet :P
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08:28<AndyJ_Australia>Hang on this cable is hooked around someth <NO CARRIER>
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08:29<helldaemon>old days ... my cat plays with the modem cable .... 5 mins later ... the cat runs with the cable ,and me after her with a newspapper
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08:29<petemc>get yourself a bad, a few bricks and take a walk down to the river..
08:30<AndyJ_Australia>Oh no! Vi jokes!
08:30<helldaemon>anyone who write in ansi c ?
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08:30<thctlo2>but fun is over, i have to work also a bit..
08:30*thctlo2 back 2 work
08:31<AndyJ_Australia>No worries! Thanks for the help!
08:31<thctlo2>no problem
08:31<helldaemon>and ... have been playing with the ptrace() function
08:31<AndyJ_Australia>helldaemon: your timing is no good, I just threw away three C texts last weekend
08:31<thctlo2>lots of people here helped me lots of times
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08:32<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: That's the beauty of IRC
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08:32<helldaemon>no no ... i just want to share knowlage (sry for the bad engl)
08:32<thctlo2>no that the nice thing of the people using debian, ;-) all nice people :D
08:32<AndyJ_Australia>but of course
08:32<helldaemon>i dont want papers :D
08:33<AndyJ_Australia>Me neither, I just bought an iLiad
08:33<helldaemon>i use red hat also :P
08:33<thctlo2>a iLiad ?? whats that
08:33<AndyJ_Australia>e-ink device
08:33*thctlo2 done working time for fun again :D
08:34<thctlo2>whats a e-ink device
08:34<helldaemon>i want a job like yours :P .... 10 mins work ... and all day fun :P)
08:34<thctlo2>ah, google is my frind
08:34<AndyJ_Australia>thctlo2: It's a tablet computer, that is wonderful for reading books on
08:34<thctlo2>no today is hard word
08:34<thctlo2>working an a ldap server and email server
08:35<helldaemon>so .. 10 mins is a lot of time to work ? :P
08:35<thctlo2>uhm, yep, the rest is hobby and fun.
08:35<thctlo2>i can develop what i want :D fun working here.
08:36<helldaemon>i'm making backup server ... with rsync , and my software for backuing up mysql table per table separeted in dirs with the database name ;)
08:36<AndyJ_Australia>Found xDbr, walking dog
08:36<petemc>helldaemon: whats the advantage of using a directory for each table?
08:36<helldaemon>for each database
08:36<helldaemon>not for each table
08:37<AndyJ_Australia>easier to keep track of databases if kept in own directories
08:37<helldaemon>database named dir with tables of the database in the dir
08:37<thctlo2>so your working on something like this :
08:37<AndyJ_Australia>otherwise common tables could cross-talk!
08:37<klando>ahev you heard of postgresql ?
08:38<helldaemon>similar but in ANSI C
08:38<helldaemon>with the damn mysql API
08:38<AndyJ_Australia>real men use assembler
08:39<helldaemon>try making it in assambler
08:39<thctlo2>pff thats over my head
08:39<AndyJ_Australia>I asked for a copy of a routine at work the other day, and received a page of nearly unreadable glop
08:40<helldaemon>i can write in assambler ...
08:40<helldaemon>but not much complicated code
08:40<helldaemon>just for faster syscalls ... etc :)
08:40<panv>so, nobody got that error before? ???
08:40<AndyJ_Australia>I used to code in Chip8 but not for many, many years
08:40<thctlo2>duh, about 18 years ago i did som assambler but now..
08:40<AndyJ_Australia>panv: what error?
08:40<helldaemon>damn ... i'm only 20y old :D
08:40<thctlo2>i'm learning programming in progress
08:40<helldaemon>me too
08:41<thctlo2>im 35 .
08:41<helldaemon>but i like ansi c
08:41<AndyJ_Australia>It's been more than 20 years since I was 20
08:41<helldaemon>and asm
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08:41<AndyJ_Australia>I don't code anymore... BA now
08:41<helldaemon>i've made my own rsync like communication
08:41<helldaemon>for the backup process :D
08:41<thctlo2>BA ?
08:41<jm_>backup admin
08:41<AndyJ_Australia>Business Analyst
08:42<jm_>ohh :P
08:42<helldaemon>sweet job :P
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08:42<AndyJ_Australia>Money's good, the development team I'm on - really nice
08:42<AndyJ_Australia>developing a mobile applications suite for Police cars
08:42<thctlo2>well here, the money is soso, but with my freedom here i dont complain. :D
08:43<helldaemon>and ... i'm still young ...
08:44<helldaemon>and the money is .... too less for the job i do
08:44<alarmo>Guys, I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but: Is there a way to use lenny and instruct it to only download a few packages from unstable ?
08:44<helldaemon>but ... that is in my country :)
08:44<AndyJ_Australia>Best part of job so far... ride along with Police Patrol, who said:
08:44<AndyJ_Australia>If there's any trouble, we're hiding behind you!
08:44<thctlo2>AndyJ_Australia: you know aberdeen , i have family there
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08:45<thctlo2>near sidney
08:45<thctlo2>, but i'v never been to australia .. ( jet )
08:45<AndyJ_Australia>Ah! I have a very good friend in other Aberdeen
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08:45<AndyJ_Australia>One sec I'll check map.
08:45<AndyJ_Australia>I know people in Annandale, Sydney
08:45<themill>near sydney in the north of newcastle sense
08:46<helldaemon>tell me ... what is your job reward like sysadmins ?
08:46<helldaemon>i'm curious
08:46<Guest2778>hello all - I have a big X problem on a fresh amd64 install of debian - I just get a load of stripes down the monitor. I could use a bit of help working through the log to identify exactly where the problem lies... any takers? (pretty please?)
08:46<AndyJ_Australia>The area around newcastle is really nice
08:46<gsimmons>!tell alarmo -about tsm
08:46<thctlo2>here im getting about 2600 Euro ( after taxes and company car , it's about 1600 euro )
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08:47<alarmo>thanks, gsimmons :)
08:47<AndyJ_Australia>helldaemon: It's hard to compare, AU$65 per hour
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08:47<thctlo2>so about 4298.06 AUD
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08:47<helldaemon>i take .... ~ 350 euro / month
08:47<helldaemon>and do the work for sys admin , dba , ba
08:48<AndyJ_Australia>When I have to work interstate (I don't like commuting by air) AU$120 per hour
08:48<thctlo2>but .. i could get more, but then i have to drive a lot and there is a lot of traffic here.
08:48<helldaemon>and wahtever administrative things you think of
08:48<Sleeping_Sloth><coughs> had to install xchat on windows as I only have CLI on linux at the moment :S
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08:48<Sleeping_Sloth>can anyone help?
08:48<thctlo2>Sleeping_Sloth explain your problem more please
08:49<AndyJ_Australia>Guest2778: what kind of video card?
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08:50<AndyJ_Australia>Download only at 28%
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08:51<Sleeping_Sloth>thctlo2, AndyJ_Australia - nvidia 6600GT - properly identified. the output is just a load of stripes though - this on a samsung syncmaster 206bw at 1680x1050. the monitor is identified correctly too, but there appears to be a problem with the syncs, or *something*, as xorg.0.log has a whole slew of entries along the lines of: "NV(0): not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)" ... although most of them have differing reas
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08:51<Sleeping_Sloth>ons for not using that res.
08:52<jm_>that's normal
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08:52<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ , was that directed at me?
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08:52<thctlo2>i this just remove the line with the 640 -x480 resolution ;-)
08:52<thctlo2>i think..
08:52<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: yes - not using default entries can be ignores
08:52<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ For a moment there, I thought you were dissing nVidias
08:53<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: naah, I am using nv cards for a long time now, since Ti4200
08:53<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ ok, I don't remember seeing anything similar with different distros... but okay, i'll ignore that
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08:54<AndyJ_Australia>jm_ just for a moment it sounded like: green stripes? that's normal for nVidia LOL!
08:54<helldaemon>so i'm just feeling f**ed up for working for 300E/m
08:54<helldaemon>whatever :)
08:54<thctlo2>helldaemon: where do you live
08:54<helldaemon>bulgaria :)
08:54<thctlo2>and your age
08:54<AndyJ_Australia>helldaemon: Sorry dude, at least you can console yourself that you don't have to endure 42 degree celsius days like we've just had
08:55<thctlo2>well i think for your county is a ok salary
08:55<helldaemon>yeah ... here is -7 degrees now ...
08:55<helldaemon>a frind of mine .... takes 2000 euro / month
08:56<AndyJ_Australia>It's probably about 18 at the moment here, we have wild temperatures in a single day
08:56<helldaemon>but it's 3 times the minimal salary
08:56<thctlo2>yeah, i know people like that, but every night they are fuc ked up from working that hard..
08:56<thctlo2>WHAT 3 times minum, .. .. thats not good
08:57<Sleeping_Sloth>so - if it has nothing to do with the resolution choices, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I might do to identify the problem?
08:57<thctlo2>you should do something about that.
08:57<helldaemon>the minimal salary in bg is 100 euro
08:57<helldaemon>i think
08:57<thctlo2>Sleeping_Sloth: sorry i m not able to help you with your problem.
08:57<helldaemon>there is nothing better than that at my age ... belive me
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08:57<helldaemon>here the dont look your skills
08:58<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: first identify if it's using appropriate mode for your LCD
08:58<helldaemon>they just look your age , and education
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08:58<helldaemon>my education is compleatly different from network administration :)
08:58*themill points to /topic
08:58<helldaemon>but .... there is nothing i can do about it :D
08:59<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ - mode as in what?
08:59<AndyJ_Australia>Sleeping_Sloth: Is there anything unusual in /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
08:59<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: resolution, frequencies etc.
08:59<Sleeping_Sloth>AndyJ_Australia, nothing that cries out, tbh. but then I am not exactly an expert
08:59<helldaemon>thctlo2: when i boot with the first debian DVD
08:59<Sleeping_Sloth>no warnings or errors, put it that way
09:00<helldaemon>how can i install from the other 2 DVD's
09:00<helldaemon>not network install
09:00<helldaemon>bg mirror of debian is compleatly f***ed up
09:00<thctlo2>so choose a other mirror
09:00<helldaemon>low speed connection ...
09:01<helldaemon>512 kbit
09:01<thctlo2>apt-cdrom --help could help
09:01<helldaemon>after installing the base ?
09:01<helldaemon>(from the 1st dvd)
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09:01<thctlo2>i never used it but yes why not
09:02<helldaemon>i'll try
09:02<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_, ah, I missed a warning.... "mode clock 147.1MHz (which, incidentally, is correct), exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz
09:02<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ does that mean anything to you?
09:02<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: it should mean it will ignore that particular mode - pretty normal I believe
09:02<helldaemon>can be configured network install over ftp ?
09:03<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ - that is the mode it should be using
09:03<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: not if monitor reports 140MHz is max bandwith and mode needs 147
09:03<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ - is that where the restriction is coming from - the monitor?
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09:04<thctlo2>helldaemon just apt-cdrom add i think , but not sure
09:05<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: with modern hadrware it asks monitor what it can do and then selects best modes - is it nvidia driver?
09:05<thctlo2>helldaemon: example: apt-cdrom -d=/mnt/cdrom add
09:05<Sleeping_Sloth>jm - its NV
09:05<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: paste the log on some paste site
09:05<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: what does monitor say about the mode?
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09:06<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ - well, it definitely supports it...
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09:07<AndyJ_Australia>Sleeping_Sloth: When I installed my new LCD, I had to sneak up on the settings... I started with something ridiculous like 640 x 480 and then configured with the nVidia driver within X
09:07<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: my Samsung monitor prints mode info if I press menu button
09:08<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ the best I can get is "64.5khz 60hz PN 1680x1050"
09:08<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ which is the current (and native) mode
09:08<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: sounds about right, why would you want more?
09:09<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ I dont want more....?
09:09<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ I'd just like it to work
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09:09<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: wait, this is in windows, right?
09:10<alarmo>by the way, you LCD guys: is 60Hz a "good enough" refresh for LCD ? I can't stand it on a CRT... looks like fireworks popping in front of my eyes...
09:10<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ I'm stuck on CLI in linux because x wont start....
09:10<jm_>alarmo: it is for me
09:11<Sleeping_Sloth>alarmo... the two are completely different - 60hz is fine
09:11<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: where did you get the above mode info from?
09:11<alarmo>jm_, Sleeping_Sloth: Thanks.
09:11<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ from the monitor itself
09:11<kop>I'm having NAT/DNS/VPN headaches. Is there anything that proxy's DNS and does NAT translations on the results? A NAT for DNS?
09:11<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: while you're working in windows, right?
09:12<thctlo2>kop: you better tell what your problem is
09:12<kop>alarmo : LCDs don't blank for a refresh interval. I think.
09:12<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ windows is not involved in any way
09:12<alarmo>kop, that would make a HUGE difference. I never quite found an LCD screen that I liked better than my CRT, though... perhaps that will change when I get a notebook and get used to them
09:12<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ the monitor gives me that information when I hit the menu button
09:13<Sleeping_Sloth>AndyJ_Australia, I've just tried starting X on 640x480, and with basically the same result (just a slightly different variation on the same stripes)
09:13<kop>thctlo2 : I've on both ends of a VPN. I'm using NAT to make the "office side" appear to have a different LAN network. The "office side" is supplying DNS for the LAN addresses to the remote side. These will be wrong, because they won't be NATted.
09:14<Sleeping_Sloth>AndyJ_Australia, and this time theyre flashing too...
09:14<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: CTCP VERSION reply from Sleeping_Sloth: xchat 2.8.5e Windows 5.1 [i686/1.73GHz]
09:14<thctlo2>kop: i think you just need a dns slave , set your resolve.con to localhost first and set the search order in the resolve.conf, if you pc/server had dhcp ip, in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf you can suppres your dns numbers.
09:14<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ so what?
09:14<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ I am talking to you from a laptop running windows
09:14<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ since I have no GUI at all
09:14<kop>thctlo2 : No. I need something that proxys DNS and does NAT translations on all the requests it proxys.
09:14<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ on my linux machine
09:15<thctlo2>and still 2 x and vpn ?? does that work ?
09:15<thctlo2>i dont think so
09:15<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: so 1680x1050 mode info is from problematic Linux machine running X?
09:15<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ yes
09:15<kop>thctlo2 : No. Unless you make it appear that one end or the other does not use the same network that the other end uses.
09:16<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: do you know what PN means?
09:16<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ from that mode information? no....
09:16<kop>thctlo2 : Which is what NAT does. But NAT does not translate DNS query results.
09:16<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: in that case I'd recommend nvidia legacy driver
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09:17<jazon>hello everybody
09:17<jazon>I need help
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09:17<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: actually no, you can use regular driver, no need for legacy
09:17<kop>!tell jazon -about ask
09:17<thctlo2>kop, what kind of vpn solution are you using
09:17<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ ok... I did try installing the nvidia driver as opposed to using nv, but couldnt find anyhing in the repos
09:18<kop>thctlo2 : OpenVPN server on a Debian etch box.
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09:19<kop>thctlo2 : Instead of using the --server directive you tweak what it expands into and then use iptables MASQUERADE to mung the packets as they cross into the LAN.
09:19<jazon>if someone speak french it can help me because I've got a bad english
09:19<thctlo2>kop: i think check this
09:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
09:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:19<jazon>thanks I go to french chanel...
09:20<kop>thctlo2 : No. That's a basic setup that won't work if both ends use NAT to talk to the net and have chosen the same subnet for their internal addresses.
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09:22<Sleeping_Sloth>okay.. cant find package nvidia-kernel-common
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09:22<Sleeping_Sloth>is the standard sources.list missing repositiories?
09:23<jm_>you need to add contrib non-free - are you using stable or something newer?
09:23<jm_>it's all explained on that page
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09:23<Sleeping_Sloth>jm_ stable
09:24<jm_>Sleeping_Sloth: then see above
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09:34<DaCapn>Oh good god! is on fire and I can't get my information! Oh wait... nevermind... google cache
09:34<thctlo2>kop: maybe your solution is in her:
09:34<thctlo2>kop: there are examples of iptable rules
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09:38<Slydde1>libapache2_php5_mod is a bitch. lol
09:39<Slydde1>just installed it restarted apache and still no php support. even though the mod is loaded.
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09:40<thctlo2>Slydde1 a2enmod php5
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09:40<dpkg>i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>,
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10:06<neosix>Hello! I installed Abiword, and everything was OK, but then I installed plugins, and now Abi is very slow. Any idea?
10:06<thctlo2>yes remove the plugins
10:07<thctlo2>check if its fast again
10:07<neosix>Yes I did that
10:07<neosix>and it is OK
10:07<neosix>But without plugins I can't open odt
10:07<Gathond>then install plugins one by one and find out when it gets slow again
10:08<neosix>But plugins are in one file abiword-plugins.deb
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10:09<neosix>how can I install one by one
10:09<helldaemon>what is the services managment consiole tool for debian
10:09<helldaemon>(services mysqld start)
10:09<helldaemon>like red hat
10:09<Gathond>helldaemon: none
10:09<Gathond>helldaemon: there are scripts in /etc/init.d/ for the services
10:09<helldaemon>and ... how to configure autostart servers
10:09<helldaemon>chkconfig service on
10:10<helldaemon>in redhat
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10:10<themill>helldaemon: update-rc.d
10:10<Gathond>update-rc.d I think
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10:10<Gathond>I just manually make the symbollic links though
10:10<Gathond>easier, faster:)
10:10<kop>update-rc.d is mostly for scripts
10:10<themill>Gathond: careful, or they'll just come back next time
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10:10<Gathond>themill: I usually only add them:)
10:11<Gathond>themill: it has been ages since I changed anything though
10:11<lanky>evening all
10:12<Gathond>neosix: I'm gussing abiword has something to enable/disable plugins on an individual basis, but I've never used any
10:12<kop>themill , helldaemon : As I understand it so long as you leave something in the rcX.d directory for the service, just change start to stop or change the number, then debian will leave your changes alone. Righ?
10:12<lanky>is this the best place to enquire about installing knoppix to a hard disc?
10:12<themill>kop: right
10:12<neosix>Gathond: I tryed that, but nothing.
10:12<kop>!tell lanky -about knoppix
10:13<neosix>Gathond: Is there some way to convert odt in other format without plugins
10:13<lanky>!tell lanky -about knoppix
10:13<kop>lanky : But if you want to install _Debian_, then this is the place to ask.
10:14<lanky>i have managed to install debian on my other server but when it comes time for the first reboot it always fails when trying to mount /root
10:14<Gathond>neosix: I don't know
10:14<neosix>Gathond: OK thanks
10:14<kop>lanky : We'd need to know the text of the error message.
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10:15<Gathond>neosix: check the BTS if anyone else has noticed anything
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10:15<tiagosab>neosix: odt2txt, in the package with the same name
10:15<lanky>right, well i will need to come back once i am near said server to get the exact error message
10:15<neosix>Gathond: what is BTS
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10:15<lanky>i was here as googling "installing knoppix" says this is the best place to get info
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10:15<lanky>i think it might be a bit incorrect...
10:16<tiagosab>neosix: unoconv converts to other formats from command line, but it uses oo
10:16<helldaemon>why when i use apt-get install smthn
10:16<helldaemon>it asks for cdrom ?
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10:16<helldaemon>can i remove that ?
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10:17<kop>lanky : (But there's two things to try. One is booting from your debian install cd in rescue mode and then rebuilding the initial ramdisk with mkinitrd. Not as tricky as it sounds, but you'll probably want to ask for step-by-step instructions. I forget the other thing to try. (!) Anyhow, start by posting the error message here.)
10:17<neosix>OK thanks falks!
10:17<kop>lanky : Basiclly, it shouldn't do that.
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10:18<lanky>kmp: thanks, i think it might be the raid card i have...but it was doing it before when i also had a 4 gig IDE drive as the primary boot device...its odd
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10:18<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:18<kop>helldaemon : You remove the cd from sources.list per above.
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10:19<lanky>kmp: the ubuntu installer ignored the raid card completely, debian Sarge found it, mounted it, installed everything to it after partitioning but it is the first reboot where it fails
10:19<kop>helldaemon : Synaptic can do this too.
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10:19<kop>lanky : Sounds like the initial ram disk.
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10:20<lanky>kmp: thanks for the advice, will attempt it in the morning, for now i need sleep as i am up quite late here in sydney
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10:21<Slydde1>found out why it wasn't working. after i installed the libapache2-mod-php5 package i forgot to clear my browser cache. LOL
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10:22<helldaemon>kop: so ... when i want to install new software ... can i use mirror
10:22<helldaemon>like this i used in network install
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10:23<helldaemon>rsync-ed from every three hours
10:23<helldaemon>this is the status ....
10:23<helldaemon>can this be used ?
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10:27<jthomas>the KDE4 instructions on the Debian KDE team's website says to "install Gabba"... Can anyone clarify?
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10:30<dpkg>i guess kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See
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10:34<Sleeping_Sloth>I've lost my start menu :S
10:35<neosix>Gathond: I solved problem with Abiword. I manualy removed some plugins from /usr/lib, and now everything is OK. :))
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10:37<Sleeping_Sloth>can anyone tell me how to get the 'applications, places, system' options back onto a panel?!
10:38<oxymor00n>from memory, right click, and add it as you would add an applet @ Sleeping_Sloth
10:38<Sleeping_Sloth>I kept my home directory intact from ubuntu, and the result has been that I dont have those options any more...
10:38<Sleeping_Sloth>oxymor00n, I'll have a look again
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10:39<oxymor00n>i'm not in gnome ATM but iirc it is something like main menu
10:39<thctlo2>Sleeping_Sloth , try update-menus
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10:39<thctlo2>and for the fun do update-pciids && update-usbid
10:40<brett_w>Is this the right place for help installing a Promise RAID card EX44350 on Debian Etch AMD64?
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10:42<thctlo2>brett_w : if the debian cd does not work, try a cd from here
10:42<Sleeping_Sloth>aha, 'main menu'.... I must have passed it 5 times :S
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10:59<gd>I need some assistance
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11:00<themill>!just ask
11:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:01<gd>Okay, so: Debian etch, Linux debian 2.6.22-3-686. Fresh system.
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11:03<Maulkin>gd: Debian Etch doesn't ship with 2.6.22-3-686.
11:03<gd>but I installed it from lenny after installing etch
11:04<gd>most of the system is from the etch repo, the kernel is from lenny
11:04<gd>I want to install Gnash
11:04<gd>and it says " You need to have the Ming development and utilities packages"
11:04<gd>".deb users: apt-get install libming-dev"
11:04<Maulkin>Right, so you're running a part-etch, part-lenny system
11:04<gd>but it is already there
11:05<Maulkin>How are you installign Gnash?
11:05<gd>from the source
11:05<Maulkin>Why not from the apt repo?
11:05<gd>I want the newest version
11:05<Maulkin>I'd suggest asking gnash then
11:06<gd>How is it called in the repo?
11:06<themill>or backport from sid
11:06<gd>apt-cache search can't find it
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11:06<Maulkin>you'll need a backport. Like you didfor your kernel?
11:06<gd>Ok, thanks
11:07<gd>It works now. Thanks for the help. :)
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11:08<densin>ia64 is for which CPU ?
11:09<gd>Intel Architecture 64 bites
11:09<densin>xeon too ?
11:10<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
11:10<densin>thank you
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11:12<Maulkin>dpkg ia64 =~ s/NOT ia64/NOT ia64, it's amd64/
11:12<dpkg>OK, Maulkin
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11:12<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
11:12<jaggy>anyone knows how to fix this error ? 2008-01-11 17:11:26: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
11:13<densin>very useful bot
11:13<Maulkin>jaggy: we need more lines than that. What's above it?
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11:13<themill>Maulkin: or i686 .. or is that just becoming too complicated
11:13<jaggy>ipw3945d - regulatory daemon
11:13<jaggy>Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
11:13<jaggy>version: 1.7.22
11:13<jaggy>tahts all
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11:13<Maulkin>jaggy: where's that from?
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11:14<jaggy>... my wireless
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11:14<Maulkin>jaggy: you shoudn't be running ipw3945d manually.
11:14<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
11:14<themill>jaggy: have you followed those steps ^^
11:14<jaggy>i don't normally , i did that , but now it doesn't work , after going unstable
11:14<Maulkin>It's possibly broken then
11:15<themill>jaggy: if you're running sid and a recent kernel then you may as well use iwlwifi
11:15<jaggy>ok how ? :p
11:15<dpkg>from memory, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
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11:16<Sleeping_Sloth>ok... I have the gnome button back, but no 'system' or admin options... how do I change screen res without?
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11:18<Maulkin>Sleeping_Sloth: right click -> add to panel -> MEnu Bar (not Main Menu)
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11:18<Sleeping_Sloth>Maulkin, doh. thanks.
11:20<kop>Where do I put an iptables command I want run on boot (or when the network comes up?)
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11:21<valdyn>kop: iptables --save ?
11:22<valdyn>kop: what do you really need to do?
11:22<morgan`>kop, in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, it will be run just before the network
11:22<kop>I've got an iptables command I want to use to NAT. I don't want to have to manually run it after each reboot. There must be some place in /etc/network/ where that sort of stuff goes.
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11:23<morgan`>et in /etc/network/if-post-down.d/, you can put the script to flush the tables
11:23<valdyn>kop: so you really want nat
11:23<sheldonh>do sid i386 kernels include the lkcd patch, perchance?
11:23<kop>valdyn : Yup.
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11:23<valdyn>kop: or internet connections sharing
11:23<dpkg>masq is probably See: by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L
11:23<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
11:23<valdyn>kop: ^^
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11:24<kop>valdyn : Not really. I only want to nat what's going over my vpn. Which I know how to do, but I need a place to put the command. I think morgan's got the spot: /etc/network/if.*.d/ somewhere.
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11:24<valdyn>kop: yes, that works too
11:24<valdyn>kop: i just hate to have firewall rules spread all over
11:25<kop>valdyn : Yup!
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11:26<kop>valdyn : Actually.... I should put it somewhere "special" and have openvpn do the up/down. Probably /usr/local/sbin/, now that I have my brain turned on.
11:26<valdyn>kop: if you have a simple setup, go for that way morgan` recommended, otherwise you might read about shorewall or less sophisticated solutions at
11:26<kop>valdyn : Or maybe /etc/openvpn/
11:27<valdyn>kop: i know some about firewalling, i dont know openvpn
11:28<valdyn>kop: i do everything with shorewall and just do a "shorewall reload" on ifup or ifdown, but shorewall is a beast, hardly worth learning for a simple setup
11:28<kop>valdyn : All I need is one iptables statement. Because I want it to go up/down with the vpn I think it's best kept in /etc/openvpn/ and have the openvpn daemon setup the network as it starts/stops.
11:29<kop>Thanks all.
11:30<sheldonh>has something taken over from lkcd as the premier kernel crashdump analysis method? i see patches on sourceforge for nothing since 2.6.10
11:32<sheldonh>dpkg knows nothing :)
11:32<valdyn>sheldonh: lkml has a thread showing how linus debugs oopses
11:32<valdyn>sheldonh: no idea what lkcd is
11:32<sheldonh>valdyn: recent?
11:33<valdyn>sheldonh: yes, very
11:33<sheldonh>valdyn: ta, thanks
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11:34<ServerSide>jaggy: hi
11:35<jaggy>hi ServerSide
11:35<ServerSide>ask here, better :)
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11:35<jaggy>i tried that , nowane gots a real anwser
11:35<ServerSide><themill> jaggy: if you're running sid and a recent kernel then you may as well use iwlwifi < that was right?
11:36<jaggy>it won't work what the bot says
11:36<dpkg>somebody said iwlwifi was the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
11:36<themill>jaggy: what won't work about it?
11:36<akshat>hi, i am an electronics student and planning to install debian for the sheer number of EDA packages it supports. i have been using slackware for a long time and just wanted to find out the major differences that would make me adapt easily
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11:37<valdyn>akshat: debian has real package management, if you try to avoid using its mechanisms you will just get into trouble
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11:37<valdyn>akshat: oh and i think slackware does not use sysv style init scripts
11:38<akshat>valdyn: yes it does, it has support for both bsd and sysv
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11:38<akshat>bsd comes first and later sysv scripts
11:38<valdyn>akshat: i was just talking about default
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11:39<valdyn>akshat: debian "supports" a couple more
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11:39<akshat>oh, even then it has both, it is not a matter of tuning it off or on
11:39<akshat>valdyn: like?
11:39<valdyn>akshat: filerc, upstart
11:39<valdyn>akshat: i dont really know what else is there
11:39<jagerman>Debian is, you know, a distribution instead of just some .tar.gzs of some dude's LFS system.
11:40<valdyn>akshat: the big change is package management anyway
11:40<valdyn>akshat: you want to ask this channel or google before you ever do a "make install"
11:40<jaggy>well themill i did what the bot said ( iwl..) and it returnd FATAL ERROR ...
11:40<valdyn>akshat: or google is probably not such a good idea
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11:41<themill>jaggy: you need to give us something better than that ffs
11:41<jaggy>ok wait
11:41<jagerman>!doesn't work
11:41<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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11:41<valdyn>jaggy: we really cant use "FATAL ERROR", that'S the part for the less clueful to see that its a serious issue, we need the part where it tells WHAT the issue is
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11:42<akshat>ok, i see a lot of cd images on the download server, which are the ones that i need for a basic install
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11:42<valdyn>akshat: only the first
11:42<akshat>and how can i find what each cd contains without downloading them
11:42<valdyn>akshat: there'S 3 "1st", each containing a different desktop environment on disk
11:42<jagerman>akshat: Really all you need is the much smaller net install cd
11:42<jaggy>here you go : i type modprobe iwl4965 it returns FATAL: Module iwl4965 not found.
11:42<valdyn>akshat: or /msg dpkg netinstall
11:43<akshat>one more thing, is the kernel source used in debian the raw kernel source by linus or is it patched before putting it on apt?
11:43<valdyn>akshat: no one who has the option uses cds to install software in debian
11:43<valdyn>akshat: its patched, not really heavily
11:44<jaggy>so anyone has any idea about that sweet error ? :p
11:44<akshat>jagerman: i don't have such bandwidth at home to be able to download all the packages from net
11:44<valdyn>akshat: why dont you?
11:44<valdyn>akshat: you're on dialup?
11:44<akshat>so i would like to know about the cds so that i can get them in college
11:44<jagerman>akshat: Aren't you going to have to use that bandwidth to download the iso?
11:44<jagerman>Ah, I see.
11:44<akshat>valdyn: no, dsl but limited connection
11:44<themill>jaggy: in that case you didn't follow the bots instructions properly.... what kernel are you running?
11:45<valdyn>akshat: or you could just get the 1st dvd
11:45<themill>jaggy: uname -r
11:45<valdyn>akshat: packages are sorted by popularity
11:45<akshat>valdyn: ok
11:45<valdyn>!cd contents
11:45<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
11:45<jaggy>2.6.18-5-686 @themill
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11:45<themill>jaggy: please reread the factoid then. Carefully.
11:46<jaggy>factoid ?
11:46<valdyn>akshat: i cant tell where your EDA stuff is, but likely everything else you ever need is on the first dvd
11:46<themill>!tell jaggy about iwlwifi
11:46<themill>jaggy: "Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels" and "difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21"
11:47<themill>jaggy: ^^ should give you some clues as to what you're doing wrong...
11:47<themill>jaggy: oh, and the howto...
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11:47<jaggy>ah damn stupid kernel :p so how would i fix it on another way ?
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11:47<valdyn>akshat: btw, even for installing a custom kernel you want to consult how debian does this
11:47<valdyn>akshat: just mentioning that because you asked about debians kernel
11:48<akshat>valdyn: where can i get information on the debian system?
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11:48<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
11:48<akshat>the install howtos don't help much
11:48<dpkg>somebody said refcard was A short reference of Debian commands can be found at and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian.
11:48<ServerSide>we must wait kde4 debian's packages for get it?
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11:48<themill>jaggy: you can either pull a more recent kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) or you can try to get your ipw3945 working.
11:48<valdyn>!debian reference
11:48<dpkg>the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at
11:48<jaggy>themill , whats the easyest ?
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11:49<themill>jaggy: ipe3945d is a pain... btw why did you update to sid anyway?
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11:49<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
11:49<akshat>valdyn: but a custom kernel just needs 3-4 files, so is there a lot of difference on where they are placed.
11:49<themill>jaggy: and if you're running sid, then you can just pull a newer kernel, you don't need the backport.
11:49<jaggy>because my freaking sound wouldn't work otherwise :'(
11:49<valdyn>akshat: not at all
11:49<jaggy>and how do i know if i run sid :p
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11:49<themill>jaggy: dpkg -l libc6
11:50<akshat>valdyn: what was that last answer for?
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11:50<valdyn>akshat: you _can_ live with kernels stock "make install" just fine, its just not a clean on a debian system, and a debian package could overwrite the files
11:50<akshat>valdyn: sorry, i am a bit confused :)
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11:50<themill>jaggy: the sound thing probably could have been solved with just a kernel upgrade from
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11:51<valdyn>akshat: its *nice* that each file on your system is tracked by a single database, you *want* that.
11:51<jaggy>themill eh you aren't actually able to read dutch are you ? i think i fcked up my dpkg :p
11:52<valdyn>akshat: i can check the integrity of all files installed by debian with "debsums", i couldnt do that with kernels "make install"
11:53<themill>jaggy: not really... (well, sometimes)... but run it again as "LANG=C dpkg -l libc6" and it will be in english
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11:54<akshat>valdyn: thanks for the great help, i have to go now and get debian ! :)
11:54<akshat>thanks again.
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11:54<jaggy>nono themill its far more complycated, i can't install dpkg xd it always returns : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
11:54<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:55<themill>^^ jaggy
11:55<themill>the entire output, please
11:56<jaggy>error when typing lang=c .... blabla
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11:56<jaggy>error while trieng to install
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11:58<themill>heh "Reading state information... Klaar" <= someone missed a string for i18n/l10n
11:59<jaggy>eh ? what you mean
11:59<themill>in the middle of all your dutch messages, there's one in english that wasn't translated
12:00<themill>is your disk full by any chance?
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12:01<jaggy>themill well , if you call 170gb free space full :p
12:01<themill>jaggy: can you run the same command with LANG=C before it and pastebin it for me
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12:03<jaggy>@ themill btw
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12:05<themill>!btssmite jaggy
12:05*dpkg beats jaggy around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if jaggy is running Unstable
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12:06<jaggy>that means that i can't use it ?!!!
12:06<themill>read the full bug report
12:06<themill>"it installs fine if you stop acpid before the installation"
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12:07<jaggy>ye i saw it :p
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12:09<jaggy>themill ... =_=
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12:11<themill>jaggy: yeah, that means you're using either a lenny/sid mix or a complete sid system.
12:11<jaggy>ok so thats fine , now what ? :p
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12:11<themill>jaggy: do you want to ipw or iwl? I'd recommend iwl as it's Free whereas ipw is not.
12:11<jaggy>iwl then :p
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12:13<themill>ok -- so you're going to have upgrade your kernel. The most recent kernel in sid is linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 (or -amd64, depending on what you're running)
12:13<jaggy>i use 686
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12:15<jaggy>finished it themill
12:15<themill>You'll need to reboot to be running the new kernel.
12:16<jaggy>kk brb :p and ty for all already themill
12:16<themill>np. good luck :)
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12:19<jaggy>themill, i'm back :p i got the new kernel running
12:20<themill>jaggy: excellent. check to see if this produces anything: lsmod | grep iwl
12:21<jaggy>iwl3945 83656 0
12:21<jaggy>firmware_class 9472 1 iwl3945
12:21<jaggy>mac80211 122020 1 iwl3945
12:21<themill>excellent. That means your hardware has been detected
12:21<jaggy>finaly :p
12:21<jaggy>so now ?
12:22<themill>How do you want to go about configuring the wireless? editing /etc/network/interfaces or using a gui like network-manager-kde?
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12:22<jaggy>easiest :p
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12:22<jaggy>srry for my bad enlish btw :(
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12:23<themill>! wireless connection managers
12:23<dpkg>You either love them or hate them: tools like network-manager-kde, network-manager-gnome and wifi-radar either make your life really easy or make it hell. Connections problems are usually very hard to diagnose with these tools and they are incompatible with some wireless device drivers.
12:23<themill>jaggy: no worries... better than my dutch ;)
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12:23<jaggy>so should i try one ?
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12:24<themill>If you're usually using KDE or GNOME or you want to be able to roam to the internet cafe etc, then yes. and the iwl drivers are normally quite well behaved with them
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12:24<jaggy>ok sweet i'll install gnome one
12:25<themill>jaggy: anyway... I've got to run off now... it should all be easy from here for you.
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12:51<charles>what linux distro do you use?
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12:51<noflash>charles, it's a debian support channel
12:52<noflash>did you want to guess
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12:53<charles>thats great I also use debian
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12:55<sepski>charles, what an amazing coincidence...
12:55<charles>zepard, have you tried to upgrade your debian box to lenny?
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12:56<azeem>charles: if you have a problem or question, ask
12:56<charles>sepski, do use have a lenny box?
12:56<charles>azeem, how do I upgrade my etch to lenny?
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12:57<noflash>!tell charles -about etch->lenny
12:57<dpkg>somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See
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13:01<t>charles, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change etch to lenny
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13:02<hever>Hello how can I get just the path from the following output (I need this for a shell script): " => /lib/i686/cmov/ (0xb7f95000)" ?
13:02<charles>I will try to edit the sources.list
13:02<azeem>hever: sed
13:02<azeem>or awk
13:02<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
13:03<dpkg>rumour has it, d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at
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13:06<charles>bye I will participate on sunday
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13:12<matth>hever: with awk : echo $ldd_output | awk '{print $3;}' or probably a little bit robust using perl : echo $ldd_output | perl -ne 'm/.*\s(\/\S+)/ and print "$1 "'
13:13<matth>(yet .* can be ignored)
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13:14<hever>thats cool
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13:28<lrp>hello everyone
13:28<dpkg>i guess irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons
13:28<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
13:28<lrp>!about irc bot
13:29<azeem>lrp: please /msg the bot
13:29<lrp>azeem, sorry pal ;)
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13:29<hever>ok I used perl and regexp to parse the ldd output but how can I forward the output to the mkdir command ?
13:29<lrp>anyone here know about the real name of dpkg bot ?
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13:29<lrp>i need to install one in my internal irc network
13:30<azeem>I think
13:30<lrp>azeem, blootbot ? ok
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13:30<azeem>or infobot, not sure
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13:33<hever>Something like "mkdir echo xxx"
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13:34<azeem>hever: mkdir `foo`, where foo is the commands you run, notice the backtics
13:34<azeem>hever: maybe try with echo `foo` first to verify the output is correct
13:34<lrp>the mode on the channel to registered users only in irc are ?
13:34<matth>hever: mmh did you check you're not reinventing the wheel ?
13:34<lrp>are /mode #channel ntr rigth ?
13:34<azeem>lrp: this is a Debian support channel, please ask elsewhere for general irc questions
13:34<matth>hever: what is your goal ?
13:35<chrono_>hever maybe you can use xargs comand
13:35<lrp>azeem ok thanks
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13:35<hever>matth: Ok better I tell you what I want: I want to create all dirs and files in a apache chroot to hardlink them then...
13:36<hever>Ehm all needed shared object files
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13:36<hever>but the mkdir 'echo xxx' works fine
13:37<matth>hever: I guessed so, anything wrong with makejail ?
13:37<hever>Its also a bit strange to me to do this but I don't want copy all the libraries into the jail, just the needed libs for example by the php-cgi binary.
13:37<hever>matth: I use mod_chroot
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13:38<hever>matth: But I'm not going to wrong doing this or do I ?
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13:39<posix>Anyone familiar with setting up openoffice base + mysql + jdbc from the lenny packages?
13:40<matth>hever: If you are using mod_chroot then why are you willing to recreate the dir hierarchy as it's main goal seems to avoid that tedious work ?
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13:42<hever>matth: I'm running mod_fcgid. And the php-cgi its executed from inside the chroot. I think I must do this I read on the mod_chroot mailinglist
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13:42<wald0>i can access to my webserver (local machine) from a chroot environment ?
13:43<matth>hever: yep, seems legitimate
13:44<hever>matth: ok ;) thanks for your tips!
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13:48<themill>hay: makes the cows shit
13:48<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
13:48<r3volv3r>what server ist
13:48<r3volv3r>what server ist
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13:48*tont hello to all
13:49<r3volv3r>are this is linux server
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13:51<tont>i have debian lenny...I can compile kde4 from svn script kdesvn-build?
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13:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See
13:52<themill>tont: it's in experimental
13:52<jclinton>themill: that information is wrong
13:52<r3volv3r>hey how about ubuntu
13:52<jclinton>themill: it will be released with lenny
13:53<themill>jclinton: do you have an update to that email to d-d-a?
13:53<r3volv3r>hey how about ubuntu
13:53<r3volv3r>hey how about ubuntu
13:53<r3volv3r>hey how about ubuntu
13:53<r3volv3r>hey how about ubuntu
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13:53<tont>themill: yes..I wanted to know if it was possible to compile
13:53<jclinton>themill: the email to d-d-a says it will be in lenny
13:53<themill>jclinton: no it doesn't.
13:53<themill>jclinton: "We will release Lenny with KDE 3."
13:53<jclinton>tont: /join #debian-kde
13:54<jclinton>tont: that doesn't mean it wont be installable
13:54<jclinton>err themill
13:54<jclinton>themill: 4.1 will not make it in to lenny
13:54<tont>jclinton: thanks..
13:54<themill>jclinton: "The primary reason against shipping KDE 4.0 with Lenny ..."
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13:55<themill>jclinton: I think that's pretty clear. 4.0 will not be in Lenny and 4.1 will be too late for lenny. kdelibs4 will, however, be in lenny
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13:55<seanius>istr ubuntu saying something similar fwiw
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13:55<themill>jclinton: I'm not on the debian Qt/KDE team -- perhaps you are -- but that's the news that they have said to d-d-a
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13:56<jclinton>themill: i am not either; my understanding was that kde 4.0 which is named "the developer's release" by their project leader, aaron, is going to be available
13:57<jclinton>perhaps there is a conflation of terms going on...
13:57<jclinton>themill: but i see what you mean by the announcement text
13:58<themill>jclinton: we'll see what happens... from what I've read, it's probably best to let the apps catch up to kdelibs4 and wait for a while ;)
13:58<jclinton>themill: yea i reviewed RC2 on my blog; it was a disaster
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13:59<hever>matth: How can I put a if in the perl call ?
13:59<hever>matth: touch `ldd /usr/bin/php-cgi | perl -ne '/=> (.*) \(/ and if( $1 =~ /\w+/ ) print "/var/www/$1 "'`
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14:01<thefrathouse>i know thius sounds kinda crazy but i ma working on getting a streaming radio going and well i am looking for a dj type them template for the site
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14:07<matth>hever: you better want to copy the original .so in the new arborescence instead of touching them don't you ?
14:07<jclinton>thefrathouse: you should look at web front-ends to MPD
14:08<hever>matth: I'm going to hardlink them. If I make changes or update the system it will be automatically done on this files...
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14:18<matth>hever: I would'nt really go like that actually, but you can forget about the 'and' statement and go with a double if. If you're not comfortable with perl, don't use it. All of that can be done in plain bash
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14:29<hever>matth: I'm not a perl expert but still write some scripts. But this one line scripting and "strange" if syntax is new to me.
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14:32<GottesDiener>how can I change the resolution of my panel from the terminal, I have an intel graphic chip
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14:33<matth>hever: I would have done something like (still I use a little bit of perl)
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14:35<matth>(mmh hardlinking between 2 different partitions seems impossible)
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14:36<hever>matth: The proble is that ldd returns " => (HERE IS NO FILE OR DIR) (0xffffe000)" So my script trys to create /var/www/ followed by nothing
14:36<matth>but you'll probably need to parse .so dependencies of the .so files as well (i.e build the total dep tree)
14:37<matth>hever: that's because you do not use my regexp
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14:37<matth>I'm avoiding that by placing the "/" in the matching group
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14:39<hever>matth: thanks oh yes I see! thanks. my direcotry pattern looks like this ;)
14:40<hever>ok it works ;)
14:40<hever>and by the way thanks for your script
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14:43<matth>mmh I remember a script that is doing that kind of things, used in debian-installer IIRC for minimizing library in the chroot wrt packages installed
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14:47<matth>hever: mklibs
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14:48<matth>well actually it does a little bit more, but could be used to list *all* the so dependencies I guess
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15:08*sheldonh <3 reportbug
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15:15<captainchris>hi everybody
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15:27<Hideo>hi captainchris
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15:27<captainchris>hi hideo , i have a little probleme
15:27<captainchris>when i make apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and make kpkg modules images , it print nvidia.left KBUILD, nvidia.ko build failed.PARAVIRTUALISATION is not set
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15:28<captainchris>i'm under debian etch ,kernel 2.6.23
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15:28<captainchris>any idea ?
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15:32<Hideo>captainchris: unfortunately I don't know, sorry :(
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15:35<misko>i need help
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15:36<wr35nn89>is there anybody who owns a hppa machine ?
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15:38<sepski>wr35nn89, ofcourse there are, but they may not be awake, or on this channel at all. you could try just asking your question. or try the debian-hppa mailinglist.
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15:39<roflcopter>i was wondering if anyone could help me set up a sound card in debian on a toshiba satellite laptop
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15:39<wr35nn89>sepski : thanks, but the hppa mailing-list is not very alive....
15:40<sepski>roflcopter, ask dpkg about sound
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15:41<sepski>wr35nn89, only 4 messages a day now in january, but it's not exactly "dead"
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15:42<sepski>wr35nn89, right.. everything is spam :P very low S/N ratio
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15:43<azeem>wr35nn89: the set of people who own a hppa and the set of people who can help you with your problem is probably not the same
15:43<wr35nn89>yes, I know
15:43<wr35nn89>i don't have problem yet
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15:44<wr35nn89>i'd like to know 2 or 3 thing about the compatibility list
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15:44<Hideo>is there exists a set of people making assumption about people making assumption that the 2 sets are the same?
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15:44<roflcopter>alright i went in the dpkg how to i ask about sound
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15:45<sepski>!tell roflcopter about msgdpkg
15:45<Hideo>roflcopter: he meant /msg dpkg sound in irc
15:45<dmytro>hello debain lovers !
15:45<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
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15:46<roflcopter>ok i got you
15:46<wr35nn89>i had the thought that the hppa port was very ill
15:46<argonel>i just used dd to copy a couple of unmounted filesystems to another drive.. fsck thinks that the copies haven't been checked in 136 years but otherwise finds no problems. is this something to worry about?
15:46<wr35nn89>i'll test the ml
15:46<wr35nn89>thanks all
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15:48<argonel>49710 days, to be exact
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15:51<dmytro>once they`re checked, fsck ask to check them again ?
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15:52<neitsab>Hello, Bonjour. I can't boot on debian on a powerpc
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15:53<neitsab>can someone help me ?
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15:53<dmytro>you have installed debian but cant to boot ?
15:53<neitsab>i copied root.img and boot.img onto 2 floppies and my Mac eject the floppy on start
15:54<neitsab>no, i can't start to install it
15:54<neitsab>it is not installed yet
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15:54<dmytro>try network install
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15:54<dmytro>1ve you tried this ?
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15:55<neitsab>it doesn't boot onto cdrom
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15:55<neitsab>it is an old Mac a 6100/60
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15:55<dmytro>a see. Your BIOS not supporting CD boot
15:55<dmytro>y ?
15:56<neitsab>i think
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15:56<dmytro>but anyway, ignores floppy
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15:56<neitsab>it eject it itself on boot
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15:57<neitsab>probably because it didn't found a valid boot system on the floppy
15:57<dmytro>shows any messages or errors while starting ?
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15:58<dmytro>maybe Mac is too smart. Not agree with your floppy file system.
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15:59<dmytro>im not adept in Mac!s cant to tell you exact resolve
16:00<dmytro>it is just my own opinion. Agree with yours
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16:00<dmytro>Suggests file system is unknown for Mac
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16:01<Hideo>neitsab: did you copy the boot.img and root.img on to your floppies?
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16:01<Hideo>or did you write them onto the floppies
16:01<Hideo>you cannot just copy them over to the floppies
16:01<neitsab>i used the dd command
16:01<dmytro>use dd command ?
16:01<Brog>g'evening, I have a problem with apt-get, am I right here to ask for help?
16:02<neitsab>this one : dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync; sync
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16:03<dmytro>without a string "bs=1024 conv=.....sync"
16:03<Hideo>neitsab: other than that and a possiblity of using the wrong images, I don't know what else
16:03<dmytro>thy that
16:03<Hideo>or cat
16:03<neitsab>i took the files here :
16:04<dmytro>rigth path, though
16:04<Hideo>and your mac is a powerpc?
16:04<neitsab>i think, yes
16:04<Hideo>I have no experience with macs sorry :)
16:05<neitsab>Debian GNU/Linux does not officially support NuBus PowerPC machines, such as the 6100, 7100, 8100 and most of the Performa series. However, an MkLinux-based kernel is available, which can be launched from a MacOS boot loader. A Debian system can be installed using this kernel,
16:05<neitsab>doesn't it means i can't use debian on my mac ?
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16:05<neitsab>src :
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16:06<sooperkuh>neitsab: you have to start a minimal MacOS first, and boot Debian from that, if I understand correctly
16:07<E0x>neitsab: what mac you have ?
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16:07<sooperkuh>I had a similar setup with an old m68k mac and NetBSD. The initial MacOS does not really bother, it costs only a few seconds
16:07<neitsab>a 6100/60
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16:08<neitsab>and MacOs 8 is installed
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16:09<neitsab>ok, someone know how to start a minimal MacOs ?
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16:11<Hideo>I see an irc channel on there, maybe people there know more
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16:17<dserban>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1) <--- Everytime I try to use the nvidia drivers on this computer it fails... gdm starts and then hangs... it only works with the nv module... can anyone tell me what I can do to find out wth it isn't working?
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16:20<neitsab>dserban, did you try the legacy driver ?
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16:21<Hideo>dserban: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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16:36<edthefox>busy today
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16:42<argonel>anyone know what is wrong with lilo when it says "fatal: chroot /dev/root: not a directory"?
16:43<x03_>probably is just /root
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16:48<dli>argonel, doesn't look like a lilo error
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16:49<argonel>dli: perhaps, yes
16:49<donny>hi all, ssh question: entries in my known_hosts file are hashed -- how may i determine which line to remove if i need to throw out an old public key fingerprint?
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16:50<argonel>i am doing something odd (as usual)
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16:50<dli>donny, ssh complains which line with conflicting key
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16:51<donny>dli: yes but it's not in the same format. it seems to be colon-delimited hex form of some hash
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16:51<donny>looks like 16 bytes
16:51<donny>i'm retarded
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16:53<argonel>so i need to figure out where the heck /dev/root comes from and how to fake it
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16:54<Guest2810>hay alguien hay
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16:55<Elive_user27>hello all, I'm having a small issue installing gnome
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16:55<dli>argonel, supply roottype= root=
16:56<grzebcio>i have question
16:56<argonel>dli: i'm telling lilo to install the bootblock on /dev/hda and in lilo.conf have root=/dev/sda5
16:56<Elive_user27>apt-get fails while installing gnome-themes with the message "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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16:57<dli>!tell argonel about lilo
16:57<argonel>dli: the only change to the setup is the change of root from hda5 to sda5
16:57<grzebcio>can i run sh script to use all cores on C2D processor ?
16:57<dli>argonel, you have to read lilo howto
16:57<Maulkin>grzebcio: You'll run them anyway...
16:58<grzebcio>but only one core is used
16:58<argonel>dli: uh, have you read that text? i know what lilo is.
16:58<Maulkin>grzebcio: What do you mean?
16:58<dli>grzebcio, your kernel handles that, then you just run your jobs
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16:58<argonel>it does not refer to the "lilo howto", whereever that might reside
16:58<dli>argonel, no, you don't, based on what you put in lilo.conf
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16:59<grzebcio>when i run script it use first core or second core
16:59<argonel>dli: well, ok. please provide me with the url for the "lilo howto" of which you speak
16:59<Maulkin>grzebcio: yes. That's how programs work.
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17:00<dli>grzebcio, that's handled by kernel, should be transparent for applications (mostly, unless you do parallel programming
17:00<dli>argonel, man lilo.conf
17:00<argonel>which i have read, and i have a fairly good idea of what i'm doing
17:00<Supaplex>if I blacklisted lp (in etch), why is it loaded when cupsys starts?
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17:05<argonel>dli: ok, having re-read both man lilo and lilo.conf, i do not see a specific prohibition against setting root to some other device than the device on which the boot block is being written
17:05<argonel>dli: so, i don't know what you're getting at
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17:08<dli>argonel, I guess you don't know how to install lilo, try grub
17:09<edthefox> /leave
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17:11<argonel>dli: whatever, thanks
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17:14<mexle>hallo jemand da
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17:15<mexle>hallo gerda
17:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:16<JasonS>i think
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17:35<chrono>hi can anyone recommend me an HBA for debian etch in hp dl385 server ?
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17:37<argonel>dli: just an FYI, even with my previously working lilo.conf, i get the same error.
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17:40<Tarcas>argonel: Are the filesystem types the same between the two drives?
17:41<argonel>Tarcas: yes. i used dd to copy hda5 to sda5
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17:41<argonel>not that the second drive matters at all now, since lilo won't run with the original conf that didn't know about /dev/sda
17:41<Tarcas>Do you have the SCSI drivers compiled into your kernel, or loaded as a module?
17:42<argonel>my /dev/root is a block device, not a directory
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17:43<argonel>compiled, but hda is the drive i'm working on now
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17:43<argonel>this error is happening when i run lilo to get the config updated
17:43<argonel>"fatal: chroot /dev/root: not a directory"
17:43<Tarcas>You're moving it to hda from sda?
17:44<argonel>i'd like to, yes
17:44<Tarcas>then the question should have been whether the IDE drivers were compiled into the kernel.
17:44<argonel>i assume so, this is a debian vanilla kernel
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17:46<Tarcas>When booted from sda, are you able to mount and read hda?
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17:46<argonel>i don't know, i've never gotten it to boot from sda because i can't get lilo to run
17:46<argonel>but when booted from hda, i can read sda just fine
17:47<Tarcas>you're contradicting yourself. Now you say hda works. Before you said hda was what you wanted to move to and didn't work.
17:48<argonel>i'm sorry, i misread your statement
17:48<argonel>i'm used to the from clause being first :)
17:48<argonel>i'm moving from hda to sda
17:49<Tarcas>okay, from IDE to SCSI. This makes more sense. hda works, sda doesn't. When booted on hda you are able to read sda.
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17:52<Tarcas>try this:
17:52<Tarcas>dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
17:52<Tarcas>That should copy the MBR from your old disk to your new disk.
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17:54<argonel>Tarcas: this is to avoid having to use lilo?
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17:54<argonel>problem is the old boot map is invalid, since i moved boot from hda2 to sda1
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17:56<Tarcas>Can you tell the hda lilo to mount the scsi lilo as /?
17:57<argonel>Tarcas: no. any command which would write the boot sector gives the error "fatal: chroot /dev/root: not a directory"
17:57<argonel>even my original unchanged config. so hda/sda isn't the problem, something else is
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17:59<chrono>you can try to use a ram disk
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18:04<argonel>Tarcas: oddly, i can't even lilo -V
18:04<Tarcas>Well... I don't know what it's trying to do with /dev/root as I don't have one on either of my boxes. You might try creating a /dev/root directory.
18:04<argonel>but i'm using 22.6.1
18:05<argonel>i don't have one on this kubuntu box either, but it uses grub i guess
18:06<argonel>i get the same error message with -r, i tried lilo -r /dev/sda5, so it said ""fatal: chroot /dev/sda5: not a directory"
18:06<Tarcas>I think Eptitude still uses lilo. I could be mistaken. I know Jester uses Grub, because I just installed it last night.
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18:07<Tarcas>no, I'm sorry. Eptitude does use grub. I don't have a running lilo box anymore.
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18:08<argonel>i guess lilo is deprecated now :)
18:08<Tarcas>In my environment, yes. ;-)
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18:09<Tarcas>grub really is supposed to be more powerful. I haven't played around with bootloaders enough to know the full capabilities of either.
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18:10<blarson>I think there are a few odd cases where lilo will work but grub won't. Booting from raid 1 was one I think.
18:12<dli>blarson, raid1 is simple mirroring, so, grub can boot from raid1 without any problem
18:12<Tarcas>I'm booting from RAID1 with grub on jester. It was the only RAID level that will work. I'd have rather booted from my RAID5 /
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18:13<dli>blarson, booting from raid0, raid5 is the problem for grub
18:13<Tarcas>dli: Will lilo boot from 0 or 5? (or 4 or 6 while we're at it?)
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18:16<dli>Tarcas, I think so, I didn't try it myself though
18:17<argonel>Tarcas: so i was finally able to get lilo to run, in spite of the values in the examples, it really wants a directory instead of a partition for -r or root=
18:18<argonel>Tarcas: so having set that, it still doesn't boot correctly :)
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18:19<Hagfish>"icedove introduces new bugs, so still ignored (even though it fixes more than it introduces, whine at debian-release)" what would debian-release say if i whined at them about this?
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18:21<Tarcas>argonel: Try mounting your /dev/sda's /boot partition and point lilo at that.
18:21<themill>!why is icedove not in testing
18:21<dpkg>icedove is not in testing for the reasons listed in
18:21<Tarcas>Do you have a separate /boot partition or is it under /?
18:22<argonel>Tarcas: it first seems to mount /dev/hda5 as root, and then proceed to mount /dev/sda5 and complains that the superblock write time is in the future and demands reboot
18:22<argonel>Tarcas: separate, /dev/sda1
18:22<argonel>(formerly /dev/hda2)
18:23<Tarcas>argonel, shouldn't your partition numbers stay the same between the drives?
18:23<argonel>Tarcas: i didn't need my dos boot partition anymore :)
18:24<Tarcas>I'll take your word for it that this was all done correctly. Try mounting /dev/sda1 as /newboot and then run lilo against that.
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18:26<themill>Hagfish: the package is also only 1 day old but it will probably not go into testing on its own anyway. At least the data-loss bugs seem to be fixed now, so it might go in soon...
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18:26<Hagfish>themill: ah, excellent
18:26<Hagfish>what do you mean "on its own"?
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18:27<themill>Hagfish: it might need manual hinting to migrate... although the bugs that are in the bts at present shouldn't stop it from migrating to testing.
18:27<Hagfish>right, good
18:27<Hagfish>thank you
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18:28<janux-xmind>hi guys!
18:28<janux-xmind>how can i install the java interpreter on my debian?
18:28<arexma>hi, ne1 here got some xperience with xorg+wacom+nvidia+dualscreen?
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18:29<themill>!install java
18:29<dpkg>If you're on x86, you can install Sun's Java plugin by making sure you have non-free APT sources, and install sun-java5-plugin. Lenny users can install sun-java6-plugin instead. Otherwise, ask me about <java-package>.
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18:32<arexma>anyone knows a way with nvidia and twinview how to choose on which screen a fullscreen openGL app will start, how to get it not to span over both screens, or make the screens change their resolution?
18:33<themill>janux-xmind: there is also a -jdk package if that is what you need.
18:34<argonel>Tarcas: or, uh, this could be working
18:34<janux-xmind>i'm loading the sun-java-bin and related package
18:34<argonel>anyone know how to find out what is really mounted when / is ro?
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18:36<arexma>!install wacom
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18:37<Tarcas>argonel: df will tell you each filesystem and where it is mounted.
18:37<Tarcas>I have to go. Hope you get it working.
18:37<argonel>Tarcas: thanks :) ttfn
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18:51<themill>dpkg: greet Jobbe
18:51<dpkg>Tag, Jobbe
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18:52<Jobbe>anyone know a php/html command that can shutdown a debian based computer?
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18:53<dli>Jobbe, are you doing something illegal?
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18:54<Jobbe>no im hosting a webserver and i want an easy way to shut it down every evening
18:54<Supaplex>Jobbe: why would you want to?
18:54<Supaplex>Jobbe: what kind of hosting goes away when you're asleep? That's silly. :P but if you insist, there is sudo
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18:55<themill><?php system("sudo shutdown -h now"); ?>
18:56<dli>allow php to sudo ? how silly is that
18:56<themill>dli: almost as silly as allowing your machine to be shutdown via a website or wanting to turn off a web server overnight
18:57<dli>I think php runs as user "apache" by default
18:57<Jobbe>well it's only tempoary and it's not a big site.. still working on the code..
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18:57<themill>dli: you'll need to give the user www-data permission to sudo /sbin/shutdown
18:57<themill>jobbe ^^
18:58<dli>Jobbe, no, I would rather ssh login to shut it down, or user cron job to shut it down
18:58<dli>themill, that's too much, should never be done
18:59<Jobbe>dli too annoying to use ssh :/
18:59<Jobbe>much easier to make a button on website and then close with that..
18:59<dli>Jobbe, ssh is the easiest, even faster than http
19:00<Jobbe>i have to login with a pretty long password(about 15 letters/numbers) every time
19:00<Jobbe>so i think http id faster
19:00<dli>Jobbe, make an ssh script on your destkop, click to run it
19:00<Maulkin>Jobbe: err... and you don't have a password on the webpage?
19:00<Jobbe>tell me what to do
19:00<themill>Jobbe: use a key rather than a password. and use ssh-agent
19:00<dli>Jobbe, use public key, no passwd needed
19:00<dli>Jobbe, more secure also
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19:01<dli>Maulkin, so, everyone can shut down his server
19:01<Jobbe>Maulkin on my webpage i have an administration panel that is secure
19:01<themill>a big fuckoff button on the middle of your page that says "shut me down" isn't a good option....
19:01<Jobbe>themill as i just said i have administration panel
19:02<dli>Jobbe, you have htaccess?
19:03*themill sobs quietly in the corner
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19:03<themill>oh the humanity...
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19:05<Supaplex>and *if* php must have sudo access, it best be VERY conservitive. caveat emptor!
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19:06<themill>Jobbe: yes... that's the function that I mentioned earlier. what of it?
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19:06<Maulkin>Lets try this:
19:06<Maulkin>Jobbe: You need to use ssh or you will be hacked!
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19:07<Maulkin>You don't want to be hacked, right?
19:07<Maulkin>Ok. Now, you need ssh, ok?
19:07<themill>Maulkin: shutdown perhaps. hacked is a little over the top... :)
19:07<Maulkin>If you have a long complicated password, this is good, because the nasty hackers will find it hard to do too.
19:08<Maulkin>themill: hush now... what's the chance of him not escaping a request var to the php script? :)
19:08<themill>Maulkin: although one has to cringe at what other php lovelies are lurking elsewhere in the site...
19:08<Maulkin>themill: yup :)
19:08<themill>Maulkin: ugh... shutdown -h $GET['time'] minutes ....
19:08<Maulkin>themill: \o/
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19:10<Maulkin>Jobbe: ok. you know how you can do 'ssh'?
19:10*Supaplex submits 10+&sudo+rm+/boot/* for extra fun.
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19:11<argonel>argh. all this because mtab was r/o
19:11<Maulkin>Jobbe: you can also do 'ssh "shutdown"' to run shutdown.
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19:11<themill>Maulkin: ssh-agent and keychain for the win
19:11<Maulkin>Jobbe: you also don't NEED a password. And if you add this all to a script, you can click on an icon on your desktop to do it, no need to visit a web page! :)
19:12<Maulkin>Does that sound good?
19:12<Jobbe>ok.. does it work with windows?
19:12<Maulkin>Absolutely :)
19:12<themill>Jobbe: either with cygwin or with putty
19:12<argonel>Tarcas: it worked, probably always worked, it was just that mtab was from hda5 and df reads mtab if it exists. once i removed mtab, mount showed what was really mounted... sda5 :)
19:12<Jobbe>i use putty
19:12<Maulkin>Now... when do I mention the hourly charge...
19:12<stroyan>Jobbe: Promise your not going to be here tomorrow morning asking for a php/html command to boot a shutdown server. ;-)
19:12<Maulkin>(kidding by the way)
19:13<themill>stroyan: nice....
19:13<Jobbe>tommorow i will sleep all day :P
19:13*Maulkin grins at stroyan
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19:13<huelshoff>I have a strange `id` output: "uid=28044(huelshoff) gid=22999(tp) groups=22999(tp),1099409999" <-- what kind of number is this?
19:13<themill>Jobbe: you may as well enable a public key login for your putty session anyway
19:13<dli>Jobbe, why not just shut apache down?
19:13<themill>huelshoff: a bit one
19:13<huelshoff>What does it mean?
19:13<Maulkin>huelshoff: an integer? :)
19:13<Jobbe>dli i dont know how to shut it down
19:14<dli>Jobbe, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
19:14<dpkg>somebody said xy problem was that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See and
19:14<Jobbe>to let everyone know im pretty new to linux, i have worked in windows and know alot to that but linux.. only a little
19:14<huelshoff>themill: This should be a group number but i have no such group.
19:14<Maulkin>huelshoff: it's a group id.
19:14<Jobbe>dli but why should i stop apache=?
19:14<dli>Jobbe, or, " ssh /etc/init.d/apache2 stop"
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19:15<dli>Jobbe, so you can easy restart it remotely
19:15<Maulkin>huelshoff: that can happen, you can be assigned to a group without it existing, if you've manually edited /etc/passwd, or something else has broken it for you
19:15<huelshoff>that doesn't sound good
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19:16<Jobbe>nah.. i start the computer in the morning and shut it down in the evening... apache can run on it all day.. i use it for everythin on the computer
19:16<Maulkin>huelshoff: erm... are you running debian OOI?
19:16<huelshoff>Debian etch
19:16<Maulkin>huelshoff: and is this your machine? ie: are you the admin?
19:16<Maulkin>It's just that that's a very large uid you've got there...
19:16<Maulkin>Which is just odd.
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19:16<Maulkin>And an odd gid :)
19:17<huelshoff>The machine is connected to my LDAP server. I'm currently migrating from NIS to LDAP
19:17<themill>Jobbe: if you have acpi set up on the computer, you could just press the power button and it will safely shutdown.
19:17<Maulkin>Ahh, makes more sense now.
19:17<Jobbe>maulkin how do i do this you said? <Maulkin> Jobbe: you also don't NEED a password. And if you add this all to a script, you can click on an icon on your desktop to do it, no need to visit a web page! :)
19:17<Maulkin>huelshoff: And good plan :)
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19:18<Maulkin>huelshoff: It's a gid. May or may not exist. It shoudn't actually hurt anything though
19:18<Jobbe>themill no scpi..
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19:18<Jobbe>themill if i had i would have don that way ;)
19:18<Maulkin>huelshoff: That is a suspicious number though :)
19:19<huelshoff>I noticed this number because i wanted to add plugdev, audio ... groups with pam_group on the fly.
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19:22*Maulkin heads to bed and leaves you in the capable hands of the night-shift ops. Laters.
19:23<huelshoff>these strange gid number exists with and without pam_group. Nonetheless I set up pam_group. But my LDAP users don't get the on-the-fly-groups. NIS users can use them
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19:23<themill>Maulkin: good night1
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19:23<simonrvn>Maulkin: g'night
19:24<Supaplex>Maulkin: I still have daylight here. *meh* good night though :)
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19:24<Maulkin>Sat Jan 12 00:24:59 GMT 2008
19:25<simonrvn>vendredi 11 janvier 2008, 19:25:16 (UTC-0500)
19:26*Maulkin *looks* at themill
19:26*themill closes his eyes so he can't be seen
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19:27<stroyan>Jobbe: You can create ssh keys on a debian system with ssh-keygen. You then put them in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys to all ssh login without a password from a system that knows one of the keys.
19:27<Maulkin>themill: you know opers can tell when they've been /whois-ed right? :)
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19:28<themill>yeah -- I was surprised to find you were in GMT... thought you were on the continent for some reason.
19:28<Jobbe>stroyan ok
19:28<stroyan>Jobbe: From debian to debian you can use ssh-copy-id to set up remote login keys on another account. From windows to debian will be different and depend on what ssh client you have on windows. Some web page like may apply to your case.
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19:29<Jobbe>stroyan i use putty
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19:30<stroyan>Jobbe: Perhaps then.
19:31<defi0n>hey, how do i setup .bashrc so that i can only configure the bash-color-layout only once, and it will automatically set it up when i add a new user
19:32<defi0n>tis hard to edit it everytime i add a new user
19:33<Maulkin>defi0n: /etc/skel
19:33<themill>@be editing files barbie
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19:34<Maulkin>Sucker :)
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19:34<themill>simonrvn: your bot didn't like that
19:34<themill>defi0n: /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile are global
19:34<simonrvn>hm, bug
19:34<simonrvn>thanks for fidning it
19:34<themill>your welcome
19:34<Maulkin>Now, really, bed. Well. No. I lie. Time to hack dak. Then bed. Laters
19:35<simonrvn>hehe, g'night
19:35<themill>yes... bed time.... night all!
19:35<simonrvn>g'night themill
19:35<themill>night simonrvn
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19:36<defi0n>Maulkin: editing the .bashrc in etc/skel will always be auto-set when i add new users?
19:36<dpkg>one warez list being sent to angelo
19:36<defi0n>or do i need to use themill's way
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19:37<dpkg>one warez list being sent to angelo
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19:37<simonrvn>angelo: no warez here... in case you didn't notice...
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19:38<defi0n>i'll just use Maulkin's way
19:38<angelo>i don't speak a good english
19:38<angelo>where is the problem?
19:38<Jobbe>stroyan i came to part 6
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19:39<angelo>!list is not a valid comand?
19:39<dpkg>...but list is already something else...
19:39<dpkg>one warez list being sent to maulkin
19:39<Maulkin>See, works.
19:39<Jobbe>stroyan when i do vi ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 and paste key then i cant get out from the editor HELP!!
19:39<phogg>angelo: !list just prints a message
19:39<phogg>angelo: what do you expect it to do?
19:40<stroyan>Jobbe: vi exits with ZZ or :wq
19:40<angelo>i don't
19:40<Maulkin>Jobbe: <escape>:wq
19:40<Maulkin>angelo: what?
19:40<angelo>but the download of the file...??
19:41<Maulkin>angelo: you want a warez list?
19:41<huelshoff>solved: strange gid problem: id got confused due to doubled nis entries in /etc/passwd
19:41<Maulkin>angelo: hang on...
19:41<simonrvn>angelo: go away then
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19:41<phogg>very nice
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19:43<Maulkin>I could have told them to go to one of the special channels that auto kline you, but half of #debian would do that too...
19:43*Supaplex nibbles on some yogurt covered pretzels mmm
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19:43<phogg>Maulkin: that would have been much funnier.
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19:44<simonrvn>probably does on FN
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19:46<Peliask>Hi...I just installed a debian that was supposed to have ethernet drivers, but I don't seem to be connected, and I'm connected to a router that's always on
19:46<Peliask>how do I start ethernet?
19:47<twb>Peliask: please pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces, and the output of the commands `dpkg -l network-manager' and `/sbin/ifconfig -a'
19:47<x03>Peliask: dhclient eth0
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19:49<Peliask>x03: No such device
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19:49<IRCMonkey>Hi, I am looking for doing this: x :1& DIISPLAY=:1 ssh -X me@somewere; and then I should start kde; but the last part fail.
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19:49<x03>Peliask: ifconfig -a
19:49<x03>and see
19:50<Peliask>x03: and see what
19:50<twb>IRCMonkey: conggratulations, you seem to have misunderstood entirely.
19:50<simonrvn>twb: you mindreader
19:50<x03>Peliask: what ehternet interfaces you have
19:50<Peliask>x03: It just says inet addr:, and all that other stuff
19:50<twb>hence "seem"
19:51<x03>Peliask: just lo ?
19:51<Peliask>x03: just lo.
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19:52<IRCMonkey>twb: at least there is something I misunderstood :) What is it then?
19:52<x03>Peliask: dmesg | grep eth
19:52<twb>Peliask: this suggests your NIC hardware is not detected and the appropriate driver (if one exists) is not installed.
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19:52<x03>twb: maebe the interface is down
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19:52<twb>IRCMonkey: first of all, is there any reason not to use normal XDMCP?
19:52<stroyan>Peliask: lspci | grep net may tell what kind of network hardware you have and need a driver for.
19:52<twb>x03: I thought you did ifconfig -a
19:53<IRCMonkey>twb: yes: security?
19:53<twb>IRCMonkey: OK.
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19:53<Peliask>x03: I got this spin of debian that supposively has the ethernet driver in it
19:53<IRCMonkey>twb: but I would like to have a usual desktop.
19:53<Jobbe>i cant get this working.
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19:53<Peliask>x03: for my specific pc
19:54<Jobbe>well im going anyway..
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19:54<x03>do you have someting like eth0 or eth1 in dmesg | grep eth ?
19:54<twb>IRCMonkey: then you will need to customize .ssh/config, .profile, .xsession or similar to launch startkde at login
19:54<x03>if no, you dont have it instaled
19:54<Peliask>x03: no./
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19:54<twb>IRCMonkey: note that X does not tunnel audio by default.
19:54<x03>Peliask: ...
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19:55<Peliask>x03: =[
19:55<IRCMonkey>twb: it would do if I do ssh -g wouldb't it?
19:55<twb>Peliask: fyi, Debian does not clal them "spins"
19:55<x03>Peliask: you must have something like this: e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xea200000, irq 11, MAC addr 00:90:27:41:2B:81
19:55<x03>probably not e100
19:55<x03>but you need some eth
19:56<Peliask>x03: not under grep eth
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19:56<twb>IRCMonkey: I don't see why.
19:56<x03>Peliask: so, you need install the driver on it
19:56<x03>Peliask: what nic is ?
19:56<stroyan>Peliask: lspci | grep net can tell you what nic it is
19:56<twb>IRCMonkey: normally you'd need to install the `nas' package and set it up parallel to X.
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19:57<Peliask>x03: when I grep net: audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
19:57<x03>Peliask: so what stroyan said
19:57<twb>Peliask: you need to google for the exact string output from `lspci | grep Ethernet controller'.
19:57<IRCMonkey>twb: then you _say_, I must put the startkde somewhere inside .ssh/config or .profile or .xsession; I can _not_ start kde after..
19:58<twb>After what?
19:58<Peliask>x03: lspci: command not found....
19:58<IRCMonkey>twb: What is 'nas' package?
19:59<x03>Peliask: apt-get install pciutils
19:59<x03>as root
19:59<twb>IRCMonkey: X is a client/server protocol for display and input. NAS is a client/server protocol (and implementation, obviously) for audio.
19:59<twb>x03: I hope he has a CD ;-)
19:59<Peliask>x03: cd.
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19:59<Supaplex>I thought NAS was a role, not a protocol
19:59<x03>so you have a big problem dude :P
20:00<Peliask>x03: usb key
20:00<twb>NAS is three letters.
20:00<Peliask>can I put that in my source list?
20:00<twb>Which acronym is in use depends on context.
20:00<x03>Peliask: do you know what nic is ?
20:00<Peliask>x03: no.
20:00<twb>Peliask: yes.
20:00<x03>manufacturer type etc
20:00<Peliask>it's an eee.
20:00<twb>Peliask: use a file:/// URL in yoursources.list
20:00<x03>so put the usb in /etc/apt/sources.list
20:01<twb>eeePC uses realtek
20:01<Supaplex>twb: yea, tmt (too many tla's)
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20:01<Peliask>when I type cat etc/ etc it just displays sources list
20:01<Peliask>doesnt let me edit =/
20:01<Peliask>(I am root)
20:01<Supaplex>that's by design. cat isn't an editor.
20:02<x03>Peliask: vi /etc/apt/sources.list
20:02<Peliask>kk ill try
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20:02<twb>editor /etc/apt/sources.list!
20:02<twb>vi might not be installed :-)
20:02<IRCMonkey>twb: so the first method I exposed is not enough for what I want to do: there is no such an easy way (let's forget the nas for now)... The first method: no; I must write something more into some .profile... Il I put in .profile that I want to startkde It will do it; and there is no way to do it from tty1; In fact I tryed to do it from an other tty. (sorry if it is confused).
20:02<Peliask>vi is.
20:02<Supaplex>yea, it could be ed. ;)
20:02<Peliask>I can # out everything
20:02<Peliask>what is my usb device?
20:02<x03>Peliask: vi is default in everywhere :P
20:03*Supaplex installs over emacs via equivs, and symlinks emacs to ed
20:03<twb>IRCMonkey: try startx ssh -X ircmonkey@foo startkde -- :1
20:04<Peliask>x03: What's the url for my usb device?
20:04<twb>startx xterm -e ssh -X ...
20:04<twb>The first only works if you have passphraseless ssh
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20:04<x03>Peliask: you need mount it
20:05<twb>Peliask: try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
20:05<x03>or sdb1
20:05<Peliask>how do I exit vi
20:05<x03>or sdc
20:05<x03>escape : wq
20:05<twb>M-: q RET :P
20:05<Peliask>esc isnt closing it
20:05<Supaplex>cat /proc/partitions to investigate how your usb key is detected
20:06<Peliask>x03: esc doesnt close it... wq just makes recording pop up
20:07<donny_>hi all. i'm getting one of those warnings from SSH that my host key has changed. i am now physically at the machine and i wish to determine the RSA host key fingerprint (looks like a 16 byte hash separated by 15 commas) so that i may compare to the value that showed up in the warning i got earlier. can anyone help me?
20:07<x03>you need the sequence os keys -> escape -> : -> w -> q -> enter
20:07<donny_>err, i meant 15 colons
20:08<x03>Peliask: to insert press i
20:08<Peliask>what a stupid editior
20:08<Peliask>im rebooting
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20:09<x03>Peliask: use ed so
20:09<Peliask>Why can't they make it fuckin alt x or something
20:09<Peliask>they had to make it some stupid key combo that doesnt make sense
20:09<Supaplex>microsoft patended stupidity. we're not clever enough to mimmic that.
20:09<Supaplex>try nano if it's installed.
20:10<donny_>lol@peliask :(
20:10<Peliask>I catted proc/partitions
20:10<Peliask>6 things came up
20:10<adrian>Este ceva in romana
20:10<Peliask>sda, sda1, sda3, sda5, sdc, sdc1
20:11<Supaplex>my bet is on sdc1
20:11<Peliask>so whut do I do to mount =[
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20:11<dkr>donny_: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/
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20:12<donny_>dkr: thank you
20:12<Peliask>nvmd, ok mounting
20:12<Peliask>you must specify filesystem type.
20:13<Peliask>Im gonna shoot
20:13<Peliask>ill do it
20:13<Peliask>shoot the computer, then shoot myself
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20:14<donny_>Peliask: mount -t typename /path/to/device /path/to/mount/point
20:15<Peliask>I don't know typename.
20:15<IRCMonkey>twb: what about: xdmcp says it listen on port 77, it seems ssh use port 22.. Say to xdmcp to listen to port 22?
20:15<donny_>Peliask: well try fdisk -l /path/to/device
20:15<Peliask>for fuck sakes
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20:15<donny_>Peliask: also with the mount command, i meanth /path/to/partition which will be represented by the kernel as a "block device" but you probably don't have to know that
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20:23<phogg>donny_: IDS tripped or just a funny feeling between the shoulder blades?
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20:25<virtus>How do I configure debian 4 rc2 for 2 monitors? I cant find the screen and monitors setup util
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20:28<somae7>I want to remove the iceape package but for some reason aptitude doesn't remove it - (locate shows alot of iceape files still on the system)
20:28<streuner>its in the mozilla package...
20:28<Supaplex>somae7: what's dpkg -l iceape show?
20:28<somae7>I tried removing mozilla and it doesn't remove also
20:30<somae7>supaple: "No packages found matching iceape."
20:31<Supaplex>if you have files installed, dpkg -S path/to/foo will tell you what it's installed from. maybe it's for something else.
20:33<somae7>dpkg -S /var/lib/iceape
20:33<somae7>iceape-browser: /var/lib/iceape
20:33<dpkg>You Fool! /var/lib/iceape is installed!
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20:34<Supaplex>then remove iceape-browser
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20:36<Virtus>How do I configure debian 4 rc2 for 2 monitors? I cant find the screen and monitors setup util
20:38<somae7>that did it - thanks
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20:43<vook>virtus: you need to directly modify your xorg.conf file
20:43<virtus>vook > trying.. thanks :D
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20:44<vook># Option "TwinView"
20:44<vook># Option "TwinViewOrientation" "clone"
20:45<vook>you can modify the orientation (and remove the # of course)
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20:53<virtus>Arrggg. really need some help configuring 2 monitors in my debian.. << my xorg.conf
20:53<virtus>I tried manually putting in my extra screen, but it was not working
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20:56<clone>at this link there is an install cd for another distro that contains usb drivers? When I load debian net install I can't use my usb keyboard, is there a debian install cd with usb support that will load the drivers before requiring input?
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21:28<vook>virtus: well, first, you should download the nvidia driver
21:28<virtus>vook, done and done :p its working now, thanks!
21:28<vook>oh, ok! :)
21:28<vook>I'm a late-comer...
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21:30<twb>Is there a channel specifically for X Strike Force questions?
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21:33<vook>virtus: I have an nvidia card as well - you can find my xorg.conf at - It may have some extra options you'd like (no logo, a few nice options commented out, composite, etc...)
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21:36<gsimmons>twb: Try #debian-x.
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21:39<virtus>vook > thanks man!
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21:46<bernardo>what is a good email client for gnome that can import messages from microsoft outlook express?
21:46*Supaplex twitches
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21:47<Supaplex>bernardo: you're better off exporting the messages onto an imap account first
21:48<Supaplex>directly out of the outlook message stores? fat chance.
21:48<bernardo>Supaplex: the problem is that I don't have an IMAP account....
21:49<Supaplex>gmail offers imap
21:50<Supaplex>or you could install your own imap server locally
21:50<Supaplex>the latter would be faster :)
21:50<bernardo>Supaplex: is it easy to do?
21:50<twb>aptitude search ~dpst~doutlook ==> readpst
21:50<twb>"Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others"
21:51<Supaplex>twb: he said express. does it handle that to?
21:51<twb>I believe lookout excess uses .pst files
21:51<twb>I've never used readpst, or excess for that matter.
21:51<Supaplex>bernardo: gmail is a better way to go if you're dualbooting
21:52<bernardo>Supaplex: I'm not dual booting....and I have about 3GB of email messages.... :)
21:52<Supaplex>gmail supports 5gb, but you're only limited by local storage if it's your own imap server
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21:53<Supaplex>and twb's ideas are worth researching too
21:53<bernardo>Supaplex: I will take a look too.....but thanks
21:54<twb>I would feel nervous about using as my primary store.
21:55<gsimmons>!tell bernardo -about mbx2mbox
21:56<bernardo>hey guys....i think outlook express uses the .dbx extension...
21:58<gsimmons>bernardo: The 'mbx2mbox' utility can also convert .dbx files. Its homepage has links to other related utilities/techniques/hacks should that fail.
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22:05<bernardo>gsimmons: does it has a debian package?
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22:08<astronut>i'm moving my / (small 256 meg filesystem) to LVM and using the old partition as a /boot - once i copy the old / to lvm, can i just change the root= line in grub and get a working system or will that confuse everything?
22:09<dondelelcaro>astronut: assuming you've got a initrd that does lvm, and you're talkign about the kernel root line, yes.
22:09<gsimmons>bernardo: Not AFAICT. You'd be required to compile it.
22:09<astronut>dondelelcaro: ok, how do i make sure my initrd does lvm?
22:09<dondelelcaro>astronut: if it's a Debian one, and a full one, it should.
22:10<dondelelcaro>MODULES=most or whatever the right setting is
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22:11<astronut>ok, cool
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22:14<astronut>ok, lets pray this works
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22:16<Supaplex>a contingency plan is a good thing =)
22:17<astronut>df -h and mount say that /dev/sda1 (not /dev/mapper/...) is mounted on /
22:17<astronut>yet my file system size corresponds to that of /dev/mapper
22:17<astronut>oh, i never updated fstab
22:19<astronut>now that looks good
22:20<astronut>now to clean up my / to a /boot
22:20<astronut>old /
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22:22<astronut>can someone do a grep /boot /etc/fstab?
22:23<Supaplex>astronut: why? It wouldn't apply to your system
22:23<astronut>Supaplex: it'll be close enough
22:23<astronut>i'm interested in the options and such, not the mount point
22:23<Supaplex>astronut: I have no /boot filesystem. it's part of /
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22:24<astronut>Supaplex: well obviously your grep would then result as an empty string and you can't paste it - and thus i'm not asking you
22:24<Supaplex> /dev/what /where whatfs defaults 0 0
22:24<astronut>Supaplex: is it 0 0 or 0 2?
22:24<astronut>and is there any extra options
22:25<Supaplex>/dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 1
22:25<Supaplex>/dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
22:25<Supaplex>two different systems.
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22:26<astronut>that's /, i want a /boot - obviously i need somoene with a seperate /boot to answer it
22:28<astronut>dondelelcaro: you have one?
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22:31<dondelelcaro>it's just defaults
22:32<astronut>is it 0 1, 0 0 or 1 1?
22:32<dondelelcaro>since /boot doesn't need to even be mounted, actually.
22:32<bernardo>how can I create an gmail IMAP account? I mean, is it a regular gmail account?
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22:32<paulliu>bernardo: yes..
22:33<dondelelcaro>astronut: it doesn't matter what pass it's checked on; generally it's 2. And it shouldn't be dumped ever, so...
22:33<astronut>so 0 2
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22:33<astronut>cool, thanks
22:36<bernardo>paulliu: thanks
22:39<astronut>and i killed it
22:39<astronut>"Error while parsing number"
22:39<astronut>This error is returned if GRUB was expecting to read a numbur and encountered bad data.
22:40<dondelelcaro>astronut: does grub actually start?
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22:40<astronut>that was grub error
22:40<astronut>looks like i need a live cd
22:40<dondelelcaro>right, but does grub start? or does it fail before that point?
22:40<astronut>loading stage 1.5 - grub loading please wait... - Error 15
22:42<astronut>downloading live cd now
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22:42<Supaplex>astronut: that's too early to get even a grub prompt, isn't it? otherwise tab completion is your friend
22:42<astronut>Supaplex: yes, that's correct
22:44<astronut>lets see - here i deleted all the old stuff in the old / since it was using the new one, and moved <oldroot>/boot/* to <oldroot>
22:45<dondelelcaro>astronut: oh. that's your problem.
22:45<dondelelcaro>astronut: you didn't rerun grub, so grub is still looking in <oldroot>/boot, not <oldroot>
22:45<astronut>i reran update-grub
22:45<astronut>sorry - got distracted before i could finish
22:45<dondelelcaro>astronut: update-grub only touches menu.lst
22:46<astronut>menu.lst points to the correct one
22:46<astronut>that's what i thought
22:46<astronut>i need install_grub or whatever?
22:46<astronut>to get the new menu.lst?
22:46<astronut>bah - i always run into problems with that
22:46<dondelelcaro>no, to fix the location of the next stages
22:46<astronut>i hate install_grub vs grub
22:47<astronut>dondelelcaro: bah - that's what i meant (as you can see in #d-d :-P)
22:47<astronut>ya - i thought that might be it
22:47<hax>is CVM supposed to replace PAM at some point?
22:47<hax>i'm not totally sure i get it's role
22:47<astronut>so it's install-grub --root-directory=/path/to/mounted/boot from my livecd?
22:48<astronut>on /dev/sda?
22:48<Supaplex>dpkg: cvm
22:48<dondelelcaro>hax: I'm not entirely sure, actually.
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22:49<hax>dondelelcaro: pam is pretty confusing itself... but etch uses it, right?
22:49<Supaplex>hax: etch uses pam.
22:49<dondelelcaro>almost everything uses pam
22:49<dondelelcaro>and pam isn't all that confusing
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22:51<hax>well, for example, if i tell saslauthd to use 'pam'... how am i supposed to tell it which pam modules or configuration to use?
22:52<astronut>it should use the system PAM stuff
22:52<astronut>it calls a pam library which uses the system pam configuration
22:52<astronut>which is all in /etc/pam.d/
22:53<hax>well, i want to do sql authentication for sasl, which would be pam-pgsql
22:53<hax>i don't see how i'm supposed to set that up though
22:53<astronut>i'll tell you this
22:53<astronut>i use sasl for some stuff
22:53<astronut>and i hate it
22:53<astronut>(i also maintain cyrus-imapd)
22:53<astronut>(which means i really hate sasl)
22:53<hax>well, in my old centos system, i've got a /etc/init.d/smtp file that defines a pam config for postfix
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22:54<dondelelcaro>hax: depends on what pam config file saslauthd is going to use
22:54<astronut>there's /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
22:54<astronut>which you can create
22:54<astronut>and that controls postfix's sasl options
22:54<astronut>which was my last sasl headache
22:54<astronut>trying to get my pda to smtp auth against postfix
22:55<dondelelcaro>hax: that's something that the application defines by its service name, not pam.
22:55<astronut>(it required tweaking the availble auth mechanisms - damn MS outlook mobile - damn AT&T for making it so the only smartphone i could afford to upgrade to was WM)
22:56<hax>well in centos, i have /etc/pam.d/smtpd and that has "auth required [lots of mysql options]" and then "account required [lots more options]"
22:56<hax>so would that now be in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf?
22:56<astronut>no - that sounds like /etc/pam.d/smtpd as well
22:56<dondelelcaro>hax: no, it'd be in /etc/pam.d/smtpd if that's what the service name is for saslauthd
22:56<astronut>since that's the pam backend not the sasl
22:57<astronut>hax: you'll probably have something in /etc/potsfix/sasl/smtpd.conf like servicename = smtpdor something
22:57<astronut>and then use whatever
22:57<astronut>telling it to use the pam-psql
22:58<astronut>lets see how long it takes me to remember my grub_install syntax
22:58<hax>astronut: hmm, i don't even have /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf though
22:59<astronut>you have to create it
22:59<astronut>or i did anyway
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22:59<astronut>mine just says mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5
22:59<astronut>yours will obviously be different
23:00<deepfrze>can someone tell me how I can allow user access to a USB device, mainly a camera? I can connect as root but not in user mode.
23:00<hax>astronut: is there a sample file?
23:00<hax>usually there's one that's totally commented out with default options, i'm surprised it's not here
23:01<astronut>hax: dunno
23:01<astronut>hax: lookin sasl documentation
23:01<astronut>and damn - the debian live cd doesn't have grub installed
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23:02<Supaplex>astronut: there's a few thousand packages that aren't installed either
23:02<astronut>Supaplex: yes, but a live cd is so often used as a rescue tool that things like grub-install would be nice
23:03<Supaplex>you could install it
23:03<hax>astronut: hrm, alright... but the idea is that postfix defines the sasl service name, then sasl looks at the MECHANISMS list, finds pam, then passes the service name from postfix along to pam, which does the authentication, reports back to sasl, which reports back to postfix?
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23:04<dondelelcaro>astronut: just use the rescue mode of the debian installer
23:04<astronut>dondelelcaro: didn't have the installer cd handy either (the image is of course on the computer i'm trying to rescue)
23:05<astronut>hax: not quite
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23:05<astronut>the mechanisms list is what it offers over smtp to clients
23:05<astronut>hax: ask in #postfix - there was one guy i was talking to who was doing exactly what you wanted
23:05<astronut>i'll look in logs in a bit for his name
23:05<astronut>that's on freenode
23:06<hax>astronut: i'm there... i know i asked about this about a year ago, and i remember underestanding it at the time... but it seems to make no sense now :)
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23:07<hax>i'll take a look back through my logs and config files before i ask there, since i'm not sure how to ask the question
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23:10<koharz>i have a problem with the sound
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23:11<astronut>i hate grub
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23:13<koharz>can anyone help me?
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23:17<astronut>koharz: what sort of problem?
23:17<astronut>grub is fixed
23:17<koharz>my sound problem
23:17<astronut>koharz: i got that much
23:17<astronut>can you be more specifc?
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23:18<koharz>my sound not loud. even i turn the volume control up to maximum
23:18<astronut>koharz: ah, ok
23:19<astronut>what is your speaker's volume setting?
23:19<astronut>what kind of speakers do you have?
23:19<vook>koharz: apt-get install aumix
23:19<koharz>i am using laptop.
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23:19<koharz>Alsa Mixer
23:20<astronut>koharz: ok, turn everything up in alsa mixer
23:20<astronut>also try to make sure your hardware is up
23:20<astronut>some laptops (such as my thinkpad) have internal volume controls in the hardware
23:20<astronut>so the bios volume is after alsa
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23:21<vook>koharz: take note of PCM master and headphone volume - no need to turn everything up.
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23:21<koharz>Yes all is up.
23:22<vook>koharz: does your laptop have any physical controls on the laptop itself? Some do.
23:23<astronut>dondelelcaro: thanks for your help
23:23<astronut>koharz: sometimes it's a fn control
23:23<koharz>Using Fn+F5
23:23<astronut>try turning that up
23:23<dondelelcaro>astronut: np
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23:24<astronut>i can install flash now! w/ the ndiswrapper for 32 bit plugins
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23:24<astronut>err, nspluginwrapper
23:24<koharz>Hmm, the Fn+F5 not working
23:24<koharz>Fn+F3 (mute) not working
23:24<astronut>koharz: are all your levels up in alsamixer?
23:25<astronut>ok, in that case they're software functions
23:25<koharz>Fn+F8 (Brighness) works well
23:25<astronut>koharz: that's hardware
23:25<astronut>they can mix and match what's what
23:26*vook sneezed and the sound aumix seemed to be expelled.
23:26<astronut>vook: is it any different from alsamixer?
23:26<vook>try it and see
23:26<vook>it's only 50k or so.
23:27<vook>and programmed in beautiful ncurses
23:29<astronut>i like alsamixer
23:29<dondelelcaro>they're both ncurses
23:29<dondelelcaro>aumix is nice, but alsamixer controlls all of the alsa devices
23:30<astronut>sweet, i have flash now
23:30<Staz> /window 20
23:30<Staz>err sorry
23:31<astronut>no problem
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