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---Logopened Sat Jan 12 00:00:21 2008
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00:18<gokee2>Hello all, I have a Brother MFC 8440 and I went to the brother site and got the deb package for it however it failed to install right. Now I have the problem of "E: The package mfc8440lpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." I tried "dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq mfc8440lpr" but that did not help. How do I reinstall something? Thanks
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00:26<dli>gokee2, try: dpkg -i --force-all
00:26<dli>gokee2, sounds like broken .deb, or incorrect release
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00:28<gokee2>dli, Same problem
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00:29<gokee2>Paste at
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00:30<AndyJ_Australia>xsdg: How did you go with your install?
00:35<dli>gokee2, it's not even a .deb? what's going on?
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00:37<gokee2>I had also tried to install the cups one but it wants lpr first. I think I got the cups one uninstalled right though
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00:45<gokee2>Hello apando
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00:46<apando>pase a mirar... uso debian y soy de Chile
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00:48<kurumin>de onde vc é?
00:49<simonrvn>you want a chilean debian mirror?
00:49<dpkg>debian mirrors is probably or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
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00:58<dli>gokee2, if you just want to use a printer, use cups
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01:01<gokee2>dli, I got the printer working with a cups driver already in debian but could not find any way to use the lower tray
01:01<gokee2>So I was trying to make the Brother cups driver to work
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01:04<dli>gokee2, if it's not open source, it's not in debian then
01:06<gokee2>dli, Right... But they did make a .deb for the driver which is WAY better then most other laser mfc`s I have seen
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01:08<snogglethorpe>gokee2: sort of like a dim spark of proto-consciousness
01:09<dli>gokee2, you may have to read their instructions:
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01:12<gokee2>I did.... But I ignored them and installed the cups .deb before read them..... I uninstalled that and it seemed to go ok but the lpr driver did not work
01:12<gokee2>I also found I don`t have lpr installed
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01:13<gokee2>That it my main problem I think but I can`t install it unless I get mfc8440lpr in or out of the package installing door
01:13<dli>gokee2, it's not in debian, and you didn't RTFM
01:14<Xenguy>and there ya havit :-)
01:17<gokee2>You mean the temporary symbolic link? I did the first one and it worked the 2nd said "ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/init.d/lpd' to `/etc/init.d/cupsys': File exists"
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01:18<gokee2>O and I could not find Installation Instructions for my printer
01:18*gokee2 should have gone to other monochrome laser products....
01:21<gokee2>But that does not really tell me anything new
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01:23<gokee2>dli, So how is a half install .deb not in debian?
01:24<dli>gokee2, only in debian main repositories are in debian
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01:31<gokee2>dli, You must not use very much software
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01:32<dli>gokee2, as I said, RTFM
01:32<dli>gokee2, the page says, ln -s /etc/init.d/cupsys /etc/init.d/lpd
01:33<dli>gokee2, I think it's a debian rule, no support for those who don't RTFM
01:34<twb>No, the rule is that if you demonstrably are wasting the time of volunteers, they will be disinclined to hold your hand.
01:34<gokee2>That has the problem "ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/init.d/lpd' to `/etc/init.d/cupsys': File exists" Did you want me to get rid of whatever lpd is?
01:35<dpkg>i guess rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
01:35<gokee2>What manual did you want me to read? I have already read the brother pages
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01:37<gokee2>Hmm ok I tried moving lpd and making the link now it works
01:38<gokee2>kindof anyway
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01:44<blal>Is there a compact but powerful text editor that has mult-file search & replace? Think of notepad++ for Windows.
01:44<blal>er, is there a similar text editor for Linux?
01:45<dli>blal, we don't know windows
01:46<twb>There are about a dozen programs called "notepad++"
01:47<twb>The simplest way to do multi-file search and replace is with sed's --in-place option.
01:47<twb>Perl has the same functionality with -pi
01:47<blal>twb : Definitely check out
01:47<twb>blal: no.
01:47<blal>dli : Too bad. :(
01:47*blal twists twb's arm.
01:48<blal>twb : I guess that's plan B.
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01:48<dli>blal, if you want powerful and compact, all traditional unix tools are so
01:48<twb>In Emacs, Q runs the command dired-do-query-replace-regexp
01:51<Xenguy>in vim, see: :help bufdo
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02:03<gokee2>Well not everything in the install goes fine exept for "lpadmin: Unable to copy PPD file!" Now I can`t find the driver in the cups install interface. (Yes I did read "I'm using Debian/Ubuntu Linux. My Brother model name is not listed in the CUPS Web interface.") I cped the ppd file and stiff nothing came up
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02:08<gokee2>I used browse and now it works
02:08<gokee2>Thanks for all your help dli :)
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02:19<SpeedyG>Hi, if I want to make some definite software library using .deb files, would I also need the depending packages for that software?
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02:30<simonrvn>you always have to list deps, both build time and run time
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02:32<SpeedyG>but ehrm, say, if I want to have a default version of apache2, say 2.2.3-4+etch3 (currently the latest afaik), if I only download that .deb file, and try to install it over time... will it automatically take the dependencies with it during install? or do I need those deps to be installed somehow allready ?
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02:35<simonrvn>the deps get pulled in... that's how it works, if installing via a network capable manner. dpkg won't of course
02:35<simonrvn>er, s,network,non-local,
02:36<SpeedyG>ah nice :) so only putting the apache .deb file in the DSL would be enough :) (note, usually I do use apt-get/aptitude, but this is some crappy school assignment I dont like :P)
02:37<SpeedyG>(and i'm the one to fix this stuff, because I kinda know how to work with *nix/debian :) )
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02:44<hachi>I'd like to take this moment to tell people here, that the issue I've been having for the last week of not being able to compile the lirc modules
02:45<hachi>apparently I don't even need the lirc modules, but there is NO documentation to this effect anywhere except on the v4l wiki (cause you know, you read the v4l wiki when you're trying to get lirc working)
02:46<Gekz>is apm in lenny known to be causing problems as of the recent version?
02:47<R4z3r^_^>i have a problem
02:48<simonrvn>!tell R4z3r^_^ -about ask
02:48<R4z3r^_^>about my ubuntu
02:49<Gekz>can you not read the topic.
02:49<RIVE>Ubuntu is not all bad, was the road i took for Debian.
02:49<RIVE>Well at least for me.
02:50<simonrvn>R4z3r^_^: #ubuntu
02:50<simonrvn>!nickometer R4z3r^_^
02:50<dpkg>'R4z3r^_^' is 98.780% lame, simonrvn
02:50<R4z3r^_^>now i have a debian problem
02:51<Gekz>!nickometer Gekz
02:51<dpkg>'Gekz' is 0.000% lame, gekz
02:51<simonrvn>R4z3r^_^: that's nice. go away.
02:51<Gekz>I expected at least... 80% fai.
02:51*AndyJ_Australia points to topic
02:52<R4z3r^_^>topic is not for all
02:53*AndyJ_Australia shrugs
02:53*R4z3r^_^ :D~
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03:05<Gekz>why must noobs annoy meh
03:05<simonrvn>what happened?
03:05<AndyJ_Australia>I'm a noob (to debian) and I'm not _particularly_ annoying
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03:06<Gekz>AndyJ_Australia: newb != noob
03:06<AndyJ_Australia>simonrvn: raser spat the dummy and a bot froze locked the channe
03:06*bremner wonders why he never tried cat /dev/random > #debian
03:06<buluca>you do mean script kiddies
03:06<Gekz>noobs is a greater blanket term
03:06<simonrvn>i saw debhelper lock the chan, it noiced the channel...
03:07<simonrvn>i thought it might be that R4z3r^_^ dude
03:07<Gekz>it was.
03:07<AndyJ_Australia>Gekz: see what I mean?
03:08<Gekz>I can't see what isn't there, I'm sorry
03:08<AndyJ_Australia>ie. I'm the kind of person that can easily confuse newb (newbie) and noob (knob?)
03:08<AndyJ_Australia>Perhaps it's just an age thing...
03:09<Gekz>noob, pronounced the same as noob, is someone who either refuses to learn or griefs others, or both
03:09<bremner>AndyJ_Australia: or an Australian thing :-)
03:09<AndyJ_Australia>bremner: :-)
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03:10<anodesni>Hi, i have a problem with my DDR Ram in debian lenny
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03:11<anodesni>it shows I only have 885,3 MB, but I have 1 GB
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03:11<cahoot>what does uname -r return?
03:12<cahoot>try a -686 kernel
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03:13<anodesni>should I install linux-image-2.6-686?
03:13<cahoot>I think you need that for HIGHMEM
03:14<Gekz>bremner: it's not.
03:14<anodesni>ok, thanks I'll try
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04:07<Gekz>Is there a way I can use iptables or some app to slow anything to about ... 3kb/s, that is linked to myspace :P
04:07<Gekz>my sister makes me want to destroy my QoSless router
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04:11<simonrvn>Gekz: figure out myspace's ip block allocation, and you can do it
04:11<Gekz>simonrvn: that's not what I meant
04:11<Gekz>simonrvn: it's easy to just limit the site
04:11<Gekz>the problem is the images and ads and such
04:11<simonrvn>you don't want to be using dns in iptables. ever.
04:11<simonrvn>transp. proxy
04:12<Gekz>effort +1
04:12<simonrvn>a number of ways ;)
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04:12<Gekz>I need a way that requires minimal effort
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04:12<valdyn>Gekz: install adblock on her box
04:12<Gekz>already did.
04:12<Gekz>it's mainly that crappy flash music players they have
04:13<Gekz>and all the images they whore the site with
04:14<valdyn>a proper setup qos is much better than anything "simple" i guess
04:16<Gekz>my router doesnt have qos
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04:16<Gekz>and I never said simple.
04:16<Gekz>I said minimal effort
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04:44<silent_>is there a way to change the niceness of daemons/programs on startup?
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05:34<sheldonh>i'm having a hard time finding the patch for realtime preemption, to make jackd work well
05:34<oxygene_>how can y install a hp color lajet 1600 on debian echt
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05:42<bremner>oxygen_: apt-cache search hplip
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05:43<bremner>oxygene_: more helpfully, check the hplip web site first. Unless the printer supports PostScript?
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05:50*bremner thinks that "echt" would be a cool name for lenny+1. Think of the confusion :-)
05:52<AndyJ_Australia>Wasn't Lenny the learning/child like robot in one of Asimov's early stories?
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05:56<cahoot>Lenny is a science fiction short story by Isaac Asimov, originally published in the January 1958
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05:57<bremner>cahoot: typical debian release cycle :-)
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06:07<weasel>the turks are busy again
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06:08<streuner_>sadly - botnets
06:08<streuner_>we had in FN the same BS...
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06:09<streuner_>weasel: that was a big Ban-Orgie, but in the end only headaches
06:10<weasel>it's not the first time. they've been coming since about a month ago
06:11<sheldonh>so the only reason you have to build a custom kernel for realtime-lsm is because debian builds security capabilities into the kernel instead of as a module?
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06:11<cahoot>isn't that obsoleted?
06:12<cahoot>or maybe only if one uses a -rt kernel
06:12<sheldonh>cahoot: in favour of? i've been hunting "the right way" to produce a low latency audio environment in linux for a couple of hours now
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06:18<sheldonh>!real-time linux
06:18<sheldonh>cahoot: dpkg knows nothing :)
06:19<weasel>sheldonh: stop it.
06:19<weasel>sheldonh: if you want to talk to dpkg, do it in a query.
06:19<sheldonh>weasel: oh shit
06:19<sheldonh>weasel: sorry, i usually do
06:21<sheldonh>cahoot: so i probably just need to bump HZ to 1000
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06:22<cahoot>no I believe you want Ingo Molnars real time patchset
06:25<sheldonh>cahoot: cool. there are references to this thing as a package in the archive, but i think i've been led astray. thanks
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06:29<kcynice>Hi,everyone.I am a beginer of debian.How to add multi-language supported?
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06:41<valdyn>kcynice: its ther already
06:41<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
06:41<valdyn>kcynice: which desktop environment are you using?
06:42<kcynice>In fact,I have little info about my desktop env
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06:42<valdyn>kcynice: are you using a graphical environment?
06:42<kcynice>I installed debian to my pc less than 24 hour
06:42<valdyn>kcynice: is it kde or gnome?
06:42<kcynice>but I find it usefull
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06:43<valdyn>kcynice: which language are you trying to set?
06:43<kcynice>I want to input chinese
06:43<valdyn>kcynice: mm, i know nothing about chinese input methods
06:43<kcynice>I also use locales to add code_pages
06:44<valdyn>kcynice: you already did generate the proper locales?
06:44<valdyn>kcynice: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to redo that
06:44<kcynice>yes,i use dpkg-reconfigure locales
06:44<dpkg>chinese is, like, Find Chinese on Debian at, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh
06:45<kcynice>I will have a try latter.if i do it failed,i hope i can get hands here.thanks,all
06:46<valdyn>kcynice: welcome
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06:48<kcynice>hi,dpkg,i use"cat /etc/environment" but found only one line there,like"LANG="en_US.UTF-8" "!
06:49<kcynice>should I change it to zh_CN.utf8 or other value?
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06:51<valdyn>kcynice: you dont need anything in that file
06:52<kcynice>if so,what should i do?
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06:52<valdyn>kcynice: read what dpkg said
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06:53<kcynice>i had done what he said
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06:55<valdyn>!what are you
06:55<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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06:59<sheldonh>i build custm kernels with make-kpkg's --append-to-version and --revision, which produces image and headers package with the right name (linux-{image,headers}-2.6.23-1-686) but the source package has the wrong name (it _also_ includes -2.6.23-1-686 instead of just 2.6.23). is there a trick to getting it right, or should i just call make-kpkg twice with different flags?
07:01<kcynice>i am so sorry that,it the first day i begin to use debian linux
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07:03<sheldonh>i use the flags to produce kernel versions that are guaranteed to never be lower than the ones in the debian archive. as per the advice in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
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07:27<zapata>Does anyone know how to setup a ftp server with files and folders so others can view it?
07:27<petemc>install it
07:28<petemc>thats prettyy much what ftp servers do
07:28<zapata>how do i install it?
07:28<petemc>aptitude install
07:28<SpeedyG>Hi, i've got a problem with samba on debian joining a PDC, wbinfo -t keeps giving me a 'checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed' error. anyone know what I can do about this ?
07:28<petemc>proftpd is decent
07:28<zapata>thanks, ill try it
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07:30<kcynice>and how to restart x?my desktop was not started by command startx
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07:30<SpeedyG>kcynice: what desktop?
07:31<SpeedyG>in a term, /etc/init.d/gdm restart as root
07:31<kcynice>some document i should restart x
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07:32<kcynice>if i did that,my current windows would disappear?
07:32<sheldonh>kcynice: yes
07:32<kcynice>if so,i think i should do that latter.
07:34<sheldonh>kcynice: your system, your rules ;)
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07:35<kcynice>i will be a debian user from today
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07:36<sheldonh>kcynice: i've found it very rewarding
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07:37<kcynice>I agree with you
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07:39<ajl59>got what may be a dependency typo in Sid. nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-96.43.01, which doesn't exist.
07:39<ajl59>thought I'd check with you folks before logging it as a bug, because I'm quite frankly incompetent at package management so may just be doing something wrong.
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07:40<azeem>ajl59: you could check whether such a bug exist already
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07:42<ajl59>azeem: checked, no bug listed
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07:44<azeem>ajl59: well I think you might have to build the kernel modules yourself
07:44<azeem>!nvidia one-liner
07:44<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
07:45<dpkg>hmm... nvidia_legacy is If you're using a Geforce2 or older card, you need to use the nvidia legacy driver instead of the normal one. If you're asked to install packages, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-...... instead of nvidia-kernel-......, and nvidia-glx-legacy. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy_cards> for a list of old cards supported by the legacy driver.
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07:47<davi>I have the below process in 'wait' status
07:47<davi> /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/xmms.postrm remove
07:47<davi>What can I do to be able to get apt-get working again?
07:47<davi>(Debian etch)
07:49<davi> How to clean the lock?
07:49<davi> I have even rebooted
07:49<twb>I've an apparently low-level X issue; I got no response on #debian-x.
07:49<twb>On Sid/AMD64, I use xmodmap -e 'keysym Num_Lock = Pointer_EnableKeys' to allow me to emulate a pointing device for the few occasions when an app is stupid enough to require one. Just now I restarted X, and I find that I can no longer tap Num Lock to enable the pointer emulation. Any idea how I can isolate the fault?
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07:50<twb>davi: if the lockfile is in existence because a process was hard-killed, rather than because the process is still running, then you can clear it by removing it (as root).
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07:51<davi>twb, Do you have any idea of how can I know what file is it?
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07:51<davi>It do not mind the package which I try to remove or install. The apt-get / dpkg system get blocked!
07:52<twb`>davi: it normally tells you
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07:52<ajl59>the one-liner doesn't work, because it tries to install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, which also has a missing nvidia-kernel package. It is incidentally the wrong package for my graphics card (GeForce 4 MX 420), so wouldn't work even if it did install
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07:52<ajl59>sorry, meant it tries to install nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx
07:53<Gathond>ajl59: you can compile the missing nvidia-kernel package through module-assistant and the nvidia-kernel-source package
07:53<davi>twb, I am going to execute the script which gets blocked line by line. Thanks twb
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07:54<Gathond>ajl59: provided we are talking SID here (others might vary)
07:55<ajl59>module-assistant only lists the opportunity to use the 71xx branch, which is absolutely wrong for my machine. How can I convince it that I want 96xx?
07:55<ajl59>it is indeed sid
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07:55<davi>twb, The problem is the 'ldconfig' process. It stay in 'pipe_w' state. Any idea?
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07:55<twb>davi: oh sorry, that's not what I was thinking
07:56<twb>Let me read more scrollback
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07:56<davi>twb, ok
07:57<twb>davi: so the ldconfig process is hanging?
07:57<davi>'pipe_w' state
07:57<davi>for ever
07:57<twb>Try running it with -v.
07:57<twb>I'd kill off the existing ldconfig first
07:59<davi>Maybe this is the problem
07:59<davi># ls -l /usr/lib | more
07:59<davi>ls: cannot read symbolic link /usr/lib/ Input/output error
07:59<davi> (I have executed it with -v as you advised)
08:00<valdyn>davi: read output of "dmesg"
08:01<davi># ls -l /var/log/syslog
08:01<davi>-rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2008-01-12 06:36 /var/log/syslog
08:01<davi> It is 0 bytes!
08:01<valdyn>davi: what is in dmesg
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08:01<davi>A lot of information. Let me look again.
08:02<valdyn>davi: only the bottom should be relevant to this
08:03<davi>no any error message
08:03<valdyn>davi: there is one, paste dmesg
08:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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08:06<padski>rsa or dsa ?
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08:07<valdyn>davi: attempt to access beyond end of device
08:07<davi>So the Input/output error ?
08:07<valdyn>davi: yes
08:07<SpeedyG>Hi, i've got a problem with samba on debian joining a PDC, wbinfo -t keeps giving me a 'checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed' error. anyone know what I can do about this ?
08:07<valdyn>davi: i dont know your storage layout
08:08<davi>RAID 1 ext3
08:08<valdyn>davi: a partition on md0 extends beyond md0 or the fs on md0 extends beyond md0.. i dont know your storage layout
08:08<davi>What dmesg line expose such error
08:08<valdyn>davi: read it?
08:09<valdyn>davi: md0: rw=0, want=2237400328, limit=390716672
08:09<twb>That looks like your partition table is evil
08:09<valdyn>2237400328 > 390716672
08:09<twb>Saying that you have disk bigger than it really is.
08:09<davi>Maybe on the of power cuts
08:10<davi>The both disk are identical. Even same model!
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08:10<davi>Maybe it is due to one of the power cuts
08:11<davi>Mybe I should disable the disk which has the wrong partition table, and later recover the RAID 1 from the other?
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08:11<twb>davi: what does /proc/mdstat say?
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08:11<davi>Personalities : [raid1]
08:11<davi>md0 : active raid1 hda1[0] hdc1[1]
08:11<davi> 195358336 blocks [2/2] [UU]
08:11<knoppix_>ce nessuno
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08:13<davi>twb, read above ^ the mdstat
08:13<valdyn>davi: why the hell would disabling one disk fix anything?
08:13<valdyn>davi: none of your errors is related to a disk device
08:14<davi>I am a nerd :) Forget it. Both disk are wrong?
08:14<davi>no?, So what is the cause of the error?
08:14<valdyn>davi: disks have nothing to do with it, the md0 is to small to contain what is on it
08:14<valdyn>davi: its totally irrelevant that the underlying hardware is a disk or two or ten
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08:15<davi>valdyn, Some days ago was not problem, and now arise this one.
08:15<valdyn>davi: i know *nothing* about your storage layout, the problem is there now.
08:15<valdyn>davi: that's ALL i know
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08:15<davi>thanks valdyn
08:16<valdyn>davi: i wildly guess that you have partitions on md0
08:16<valdyn>davi: but you could have something else on it too
08:16<davi>I can check and report you
08:17<twb>valdyn: are you sure it's the fs bigger than md0; rather than md0 bigger than the hdd?
08:17<davi>valdyn, fdisk /dev/md0 has not any partition in it!
08:17<valdyn>davi: as twb sais the md0 could be bigger than the underlying storage too
08:17<valdyn>davi: what is on md0?
08:17<davi>twb, The fs size was the maximun allowed by the disk.
08:18<valdyn>davi: by the DISK?
08:18<valdyn>davi: fs on md0 on raid1 on 2 disks
08:18<davi>valdyn, the fs was created by the usual mkfs after the partition creation
08:18<valdyn>davi: thats the part that i dont know if you dont tell me
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08:19<twb>davi: it is not normal for md0 to have a peecee partition table.
08:19<valdyn>davi: on what did you create the partition?
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08:19<twb>davi: what does file -i /dev/md0 report?
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08:19<davi>valdyn, I do not remember but I created it some years ago
08:19<twb>What does `parted /dev/hda unit b print' report?
08:19<valdyn>davi: then look it up
08:19<valdyn>davi: "df", "mount"
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08:19<davi> # file -i /dev/md0
08:19<davi>/dev/md0: application/x-not-regular-file
08:20<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
08:20<Tuplad>hey! I'd like to format my linux on my hdd and install it again from my external hdd, would this tutorial be alright ? because it's for fedora cora and I'm wondering if it's of any use for Debian :D
08:20<davi># file -i /dev/md0
08:20<davi> /dev/md0: application/x-not-regular-file
08:20<twb>fiel -s /dev/md0
08:20<twb>davi: file -s /dev/md0, not -i.
08:20<davi># file -s /dev/md0
08:20<davi> /dev/md0: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files)
08:20<twb>Tuplad: FC does not use the same install infrastructure as Debian.
08:21<Tuplad>twb: ouch... got any ideas maybe ? :)
08:21<twb>Tuplad: use the appropriate documentation.
08:21<valdyn>davi: paste the output of df and the output of /proc/mdstat
08:21<Tuplad>twb: can't find one anywhere, that was the only one I was able to find
08:21<davi># df
08:21<davi>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
08:21<davi> /dev/md0 192292060 155273436 27250708 86% /
08:22<valdyn>davi: "cat /proc/mdstat" even
08:22<davi>Personalities : [raid1]
08:22<davi>md0 : active raid1 hda1[0] hdc1[1]
08:22<davi> 195358336 blocks [2/2] [UU]
08:22<valdyn>davi: use the paste site
08:22<sheldonh>cahoot: what would you call your rt-preempt kernel? linux-image-2.6.23-1-rt14-686 ?
08:22<twb>davi: please use a pastebin. supports annotations, so you can just keep annotating it and we can refresh.
08:22<twb>Tuplad: clearly you didn't look very hard.
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08:23<Tuplad>twb: I did I did! people on this channel even helped me looking
08:23<Tuplad>twb: got any pointers ? :]
08:23<valdyn>davi: ok, the filesystem fits on md0
08:23<twb>§2.2.2 Hard Disk installation
08:23<valdyn>davi: "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
08:24<twb>From > documentation > installation manual
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08:24<twb>valdyn: are you sure block = byte?
08:25<valdyn>twb: yea, in that case
08:25<twb>valdyn: I haven't had coffee, and am suspicious of numbers
08:25<twb>OK, stuff like dd uses half-block blocks
08:25<valdyn>twb: df explictely mentions it, and mdstat i compare to my own
08:25<twb>I got confused.
08:25<valdyn>twb: it is confusing, since disks really use 512 bytes /block
08:26<Tuplad>twb: I find this: 2.2.2. CD-ROM/DVD-ROM
08:26<twb>Tuplad: you might be using an old version; I have the unstable version here.
08:27<Tuplad>twb: umm... I'm talking about the manual on the site
08:27<Tuplad>twb: and then Installation Guide
08:27<twb>Yes, I'm not using the internet version, I'm using the version that's appropriate for my version of Debian: unstable (Sid).
08:28<valdyn>davi: run fsck over the filesystem
08:28<Tuplad>oooh :O
08:28<twb>I imagine the section numbers are different, but you should be able to find the content in there still.
08:28<davi>valdyn, ack
08:28<Tuplad>twb: I'm on testing
08:28<twb>Tuplad: cf apt-get install installation-guide-amd64
08:28<Tuplad>twb: ok, I'm on i386 though, doesn't matter right ?
08:28<davi>valdyn, WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause ?
08:29<Gekz>a headache of damage.
08:29<twb>Tuplad: so install the -i386 package
08:29<Tuplad>twb: on it
08:29<twb>davi: you need to unmount the filesystem
08:29<twb>davi: if it's the root filesystem, you should boot from some other medium, e.g. a livecd
08:30<davi>twb, OK, I will download a live CD. Any hint?
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08:30<valdyn>davi: you can boot your current system into recovery mode too
08:30<davi>valdyn, That is a better option, thanks!
08:30<valdyn>davi: and "mount -o remount,ro /"
08:31<twb>valdyn: I wasn't sure if that worked
08:31<Tuplad>twb: can't access it, how do I ? :o
08:31<twb>valdyn: have you tried fscking a ro root?
08:31<valdyn>twb: it does not probably, but he can kill anything that keeps using /
08:31<valdyn>twb: yea
08:31<twb>Tuplad: you are trying my patience.
08:32<twb>Tuplad: what isn't working?
08:32<davi>twb, valdyn I am going to reboot, thanks!
08:32<Tuplad>twb: heh, excuse :) I mean I can't access the installation guide
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08:32<Tuplad>twb: it's installed
08:32<twb>Tuplad: you can't apt-get install it?
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08:33<Tuplad>twb: I can, it's done, I just don't know how to open it now
08:33<Tuplad>twb: man -k installation doesn't show anything, neither does installation-guide help
08:34<twb>Tuplad: dpkg -L installation-guide-i386
08:34<Tuplad>twb: didn't know that :o I found it: /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-i386/en/index.html
08:35<sheldonh>how sad: The revision 2.6.23-2-rt14 fails policy compliance, aborting
08:35<Tuplad>twb: but there is still no 2.2.2 that YOU are talking about, I'll go try get the unstable one for amd64 ;)
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08:36<twb>Tuplad: why don't you fucking read the manual
08:36<twb>Tuplad: the section number isn't important
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08:36<Tuplad>twb: there ain't shit in that manual
08:37<twb>Tuplad: I'm sure the section in question is still there somewhere, just with a different number.
08:37<Tuplad>twb: there isn't something that even looks like it
08:37<Tuplad>jesus fucking christ dont be so hostile don't want to answer me just don't
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08:39<sheldonh>the make-kpkg manual says official kernel and modules maintainers have special dispensation to use hyphens. how do i trick make-kpkg into believing i'm an official maintainer? :)
08:40<sheldonh>aha! i shall use 2.6.23-2~rt14 instead
08:40*sheldonh beams happily
08:40<twb>Tuplad: on the version on, and
08:41<sheldonh>long live cpio
08:41<twb>sheldonh: beats tar :P
08:41<Tuplad>twb: well thank you!
08:41<twb>Except that I can never remember how to drive cpio
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08:42<sheldonh>Tuplad: re the hostility, try to understand that it can be _very_ frustrating to help people find answers in the documentation when it comes down to doing their reading for them
08:42<twb>Exactly; I don't appreciate holding hands because it's time consuming and low ROI.
08:42<sheldonh>twb: cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23.orig && find . -print | cpio -dlpm ../linux-source-2.6.23
08:42<Tuplad>sheldonh: I understand, I know how it feels... but what's the cussing for ?
08:42<sheldonh>twb :)
08:42<sheldonh>Tuplad: poor impulse control :)
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08:43<Tuplad>sheldonh: :D
08:43<dpkg>one warez list being sent to oltreirc`56695
08:43<twb>I cuss because I don't believe in linguistic apartheid.
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08:44<dpkg>one warez list being sent to lynx
08:44<Lynx>funny :)
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08:44<sheldonh>!dpkg debian license key
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08:45<kcynice>hi,someone would like to tell me,if there would be something wrong if i change /etc/fonts/conf.d/51-local.conf?
08:45<davi>valdyn, twb, mount -o remount,ro / ---- gives "mount: / is busy" error"
08:46<davi>I am going to download a live/installation CD, which allow me to do the fsck
08:47<davi> debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent
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08:50<sheldonh>kcynice: i've never needed to, i thought defoma took care of font discovery
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08:51<sheldonh>davi: tip: carry the gparted livecd in your laptop bag / toolkit
08:51<magik>HI, I have go question about mpich. Do you use that enyware ?
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08:51<davi>sheldonh, thanks
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08:52<Tuplad>I'll go give it a shot
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08:53<sheldonh>twb: hard drive install must be great for release engineering
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08:55<sheldonh>Tuplad: sauted?
08:55<Tuplad>It said file not found, but it's probably because I'm trying to boot it from my external harddrive and something is written wrong in the grub line
08:56<Tuplad>sheldonh: what's that ?
08:57<sheldonh>Tuplad: frivolous way of asking whether you're sorted
08:57<Tuplad>sheldonh: oh :) na'ah
08:57<sheldonh>i don't know how to produce accented characters in konversation
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08:58<Tuplad>sheldonh: I did exactly what the tutorial said, in my menu.lst in grub you can find:
08:59<Tuplad>but what bothers me is that it says hd... maybe I'll try sd ? sd = special device afaik and my ext hdd is mounted as /dev/sda1
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09:02<FabioBR>Hi, im having a problem with nvidia driver. I installed debian lenny and when i run nvidia installer X starts perfectly. But when I reboot the X doesnt start.
09:02<FabioBR>If i run again the nvidia installer, the X starts!
09:02<FabioBR>In dmesg I have the line above when X fails:
09:03<FabioBR>Xorg[3309]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002ae7ff875755 rsp 00007fffab2436a8 error 4
09:03<FabioBR>Anyone have some suggestion?
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09:14<kcynice>how to restart gdm? when i enter "gdm restart" it will tell me that gdm is alreay running,aborting!
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09:15<sheldonh>kcynice: maybe /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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09:21<beer>Is there are any idear when KDE 4.0.0 will hit unstable?
09:21<weasel>read d-d-a.
09:21<dpkg>d-d-a is probably debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at
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09:26<myki>Hello. I'd like to ask if there's a package named "gnome-vfs-2.0"? One source I'm trying to compile requires it, but all I found is that it's the same as libgnomevs.. (?)
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09:29<kcynice>my attampt to add multi-language failed!but I will try another day.Thanks.Best Regards!
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09:35<deepfrze>Hi, can someone help me with settings so I can give my user account Read/Write access to my USB port. I can access my camera (using gphoto2) as root, but not as a user.
09:36<weasel>who did you mount it as?
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09:36<deepfrze>I set up a line in fstab. Actually tried 2 different settings but that didn't change things.
09:36<weasel>don't do the fstab thing
09:36<weasel>comment out those lines again, unmount it, and mount it - as your user - using pmount
09:37<deepfrze>weasel: okay, didn't think I had to
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09:37<weasel>you probably need to be in the plugdev group
09:37<thepretender84>for some reason, my laptop's keyboard will stop working after a couple of hours of use
09:37<deepfrze>weasel: plugdev, okay, do I have to create that group?
09:38<weasel>deepfrze: it should already exist, and if your user was created during installation you should already be in that group also
09:38<weasel>deepfrze: check "id"
09:38<thepretender84>if I have a shell open, it acts like a key it stick
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09:38<thepretender84>anyone have an idea what is heppening?
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09:39<thepretender84>my touchpad mouse will continue to work, however
09:39<deepfrze>weasel: not sure what you mean. When I do groups it doesn't list plugdev
09:39<weasel>ok, then you probably aren't in that group.
09:40<deepfrze>weasel: even when I do groups in root mode
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09:40<weasel>so? that doesn't mean a thing.
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09:40<weasel>just add your user to the plugdev group
09:40<deepfrze>weasel: will do, thanks
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09:47<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
09:47<twb>(pre-emptive strike)
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09:50<dpkg>well, debian is See
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09:50<dpkg>it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See, or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
09:51<[DJ_Casper]>lol:} 10x
09:51<dpkg>well, 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls>
09:51<padski>kde4 was released 11th Jan 2008
09:52<[DJ_Casper]>today ...
09:52<Tarcas>dpkg: When is Lenny likely to become stable?
09:52<dpkg>Tarcas: I think you lost me on that one
09:52<twb>I hate to break it to you, but integrating new upstream releases into Debian is not an instantaneous process.
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09:53<weasel>Tarcas: WIR, as always.
09:53<deepfrze>weasel: can you help me with the pmount command. Not sure how to find out what device the camera is.
09:53<Tarcas>WEasel: Useful :-P
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09:53<weasel>deepfrze: check dmesg,
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09:54<weasel>deepfrze: probably it's sda1 or sdb1 or sdc1 or something like that
09:54<weasel>deepfrze: just check the last few lines of the kernel log (dmesg prints the kernel ring buffer) to see which new devices it learned of
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09:54<deepfrze>weasel: thanks
09:55<weasel>deepfrze: are you using gnome?
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09:55<deepfrze>weasel: no, kde
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09:56<padski>Tarcas, there is a graph at
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09:56<deepfrze>weasel: would like to use digiKam, so need the user to be able to connect.
09:56<weasel>Tarcas: SIYH.
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09:57<deepfrze>weasel: dmesg shows ehci_hcd, is that what I use?
09:57<weasel>you are looking for something like this:
09:57<weasel>[356800.548000] sdc: sdc1
09:58<marga>I'm not sure this is the right channel for my question, but I have no idea of where else to ask, so please redirect me to the correct channel if you know where I should ask. (Q in the next msg)
09:58<weasel>deepfrze: is what I get when I plug in my mp3 player
09:59<marga>I have a process that access some DBFs. I used to do it over CIFS, but we had some dataloss problems, so we switched to NFS. Over NFS we don't have data-loss problems, but the processes enter "waiting" state too often, sometimes reaching 50% waiting. This didn't happen with CIFS. I've tried changing mount options, to no avail. Any ideas of what I could do?
10:00<weasel>nfs, using UDP?
10:00<twb>marga: are you using -o hard?
10:00<marga>weasel: I tried both TCP and UDP, same result.
10:00<twb>Oops, perhaps I meant -o intr
10:00<weasel>marga: hmm. there goes my theory
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10:00<marga>twb: I tried soft and nothing (hard is default, right?), same result.
10:01<marga>twb: I didn't try removing -o intr.
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10:01<twb>marga: yes, hard is default
10:01<marga>twb: should I try removing intr?
10:01<twb>I meant to try both -o hard and -o soft.
10:01<twb>It was just a guess.
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10:01<marga>twb: I did try hard and soft, same result. I didn't try without intr. Will try that.
10:02<twb>marga: are both the server and clients running Etch?
10:02<marga>twb: yes.
10:02<marga>Well, there might be a bit of Sarge in the server, but the kernel is Etch.
10:03<deepfrze>weasel: this is what I get when I turn on the camera.
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10:03<twb>marga: I don't know what else to try.
10:03<twb>marga: I guess you could look at dmesg and syslog
10:03<weasel>deepfrze: is that al?
10:04<twb>marga: I assume you're using nfs-kernel-server not the userland server?
10:04<marga>twb: I'm with the intr thing. Nothing on dmesg nor syslog.
10:04<twb>marga: are you using NFS4 or 3?
10:04<marga>twb: kernel-server, yes. NFS 3.
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10:04<weasel>deepfrze: how long have you given it time?
10:05<marga>twb: no intr, same result
10:05<deepfrze>weasel: will try again
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10:05<weasel>deepfrze: (I mean, you have mounted it before, right? why would it be different now)
10:05<deepfrze>weasel: same thing
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10:06<deepfrze>weasel: I just got it yesterday.
10:06<deepfrze>weasel: it still works in "root" mode.
10:06<weasel>deepfrze: how?
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10:08<deepfrze>weasel: sorry I have to run. Thanks for your help. It works in root using gphoto2, don't know how. thanks again, bye.
10:08<eduardo>who speak in pt?
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10:08<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:09<eduardo>ja estou a 25 minutos e não consegui ajuda lá!
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10:09<weasel>deepfrze: ah. so maybe your camera isn't a usb mass storage device at all?
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10:10<marga>So, twb, weasel: any ideas of where I might go asking my nfs question?
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10:11<weasel>not really, sorry.
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10:11<marga>thanks, anyway.
10:11<weasel>the only problem I had with NFS was due to ethernet speed mismatch of client and servers (i.e. server was gbit and client 100mbit), and UDP didn't really like that very much. switching to tcp solved that mostly.
10:12<marga>weasel: well... Server IS gbit. But I tried on 100mbit and on gbit clients, with the same result. Still, it might be related.
10:12<weasel>marga: well, verifying if it's the same problem should be easy, if you want.
10:13<marga>weasel: how?
10:13<weasel>marga: just tcpdump on the client. you'll see UDP packets of say a few kb, so that they are fragmented into several IP packets.
10:13<weasel>marga: since the server sent them at GBit and the client only had FastEthernet the switch had to drop a few, so not all of the fragments made it to the client,
10:14<weasel>marga: missing fragments of course caused the entire thing to be dropped, requiring retransmits and performance went to hell
10:14<marga>ok, I'll tcpdump it. I haven't tried that yet. Even if it's not that, it might shed some light.
10:14<weasel>but switching to TCP with its windowy stuff solved it to my satisfaction,
10:15<weasel>and if you tried it and it didn't help you then it's unlikely to be the same problem
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10:17<marga>weasel: well, maybe it's an rsize problem? I tried with different sizes, with no results, but I still think that it might be a size problem.
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10:17<marga>tcpdump shows a lot of "reply ERR 1332" from host to client.
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10:17*weasel googles it
10:18<@Ganneff>rsize - that rings a bell. what kind of connection is between server and client?
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10:18<weasel>(clearly it should be ERR 1337, 1332 is just l4m3)
10:18<@Ganneff>we had that at lufthansa once, where they had some weird connection dropping stuff more than 1603 bytes. not fragmenting, dropping. brrrrrrr.
10:19<weasel>-1332 A character variable has referenced subscripts that are out of range.
10:19<weasel>informix :)
10:19<weasel>(not helpful, google, not helpful at all)
10:19<@Ganneff>so do a ls in a small dir or so -> fine. try to get a file -> byebye
10:19<marga>Ganneff: what do you mean what kind? It's a switched connection. Server is gbit, some clients are also gbit and some clients are 100mbit.
10:20<@Ganneff>so directly one switch? no funny other thing that might go stupid and just drop stuff?
10:20<@Ganneff>then forget me
10:20<marga>weasel: there are also ERR 1448. It seems to be a size.
10:20<marga>Is it saying that the size is wrong?
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10:21<marga>Ganneff: well, maybe the gbit switch is trying to outsmart the servers?
10:21<marga>Ganneff: but it does work with CIFS, so I would think it's an NFS problem, not a hardware problem.
10:21<weasel>marga: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
10:22<weasel>marga: did you ever experiment with sizes well below the MTU? say 1300 or so?
10:22<marga>weasel: for rsize? I tried the default, isn't it 1024 ? I'll try with 1024 explicitly.
10:22<weasel>(you don't want to do that forever, performance might start sucking, but hey, worth a try)
10:23<weasel>rsize and wsize default to 4k according to the manpage
10:23<@Ganneff>marga: if you dont set anything nfs happily tries to send JUMBO frames. very jumbo.
10:23<@Ganneff>lots of data at once.
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10:24<sheldonh>Ganneff: sounds like a bug in rsize negotiation
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10:24<marga>same result with rsize=1024
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10:24<sheldonh>Ganneff: if you don't set anything, rsize is negotiated
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10:24<weasel>that might explain why I think it was 16k when it went all wrong here.
10:25<@Ganneff>sheldonh: and then they might negotiate it to a LARGE value
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10:25<sheldonh>Ganneff: which would be a bug at one or both ends
10:25<@Ganneff>like i think 32 or 64k it was here. its about 1.5 years ago, so not sure, but it was HUGE
10:25<marga>Well, we normally have it set to 32k
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10:26<marga>but 1024 is below the MTU, and it's still making the process "wait"
10:27<nemo>hi, I need help. I have to move my / partition (I have an other partition for /boot ) from a primary patition to a logiacal patition. Is it possible to do without lose my debian system? (sorry for my english)
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10:27<marga>Although, tcpdump now doesn't show the reply ERR thing, so that might have been related to rsize.
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10:29<Tarcas>nemo: it shouldn't matter whether it's primary or logical. What matters is that you're mounting the right parition.
10:31<padski>nemo, while you are booted on it ?
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10:31<nemo>no no I should use a LiveCd
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10:33<marga>nemo: you can copy it while you are booted.
10:33<gcs>Hi. Where can I find tutorials/howtos on SELinux on Lenny server?
10:33<padski>nemo, then you will need to think about how you get the data from one partition to the other, and making sure the bootstrap works and the correct fs is mounted.
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10:34<nemo>I don't know how to be sure that my bootstrap will work in the right way
10:35<padski>nemo, can you connect here from the LiveCD ? if you run into trouble I imagine someone here will help you out
10:36<neosix>Hello! I have strange problem. In openoffice writer font is blur, and only in openof., in Abiword font is OK. I don't understand. Does anybody know why?
10:36<nemo>I think I can make a backup of my root on an other partition after I shall create a new logial partition and unrar my backup on it
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10:37<nemo>Is it correct?
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10:37<padski>nemo, backups are you freind :-)
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10:39<nemo>After I change my root directory in fstab file
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10:43<^_DRONE_^>greeting from Napoli
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10:44<^_DRONE_^>visit the real solution to all Italian problems
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10:44<^_DRONE_^>and please tell me where i can find a nuclear head
10:44<cahoot>even the garbage mess?
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10:47<padski>nemo, you will want to check the fstab file at the destination, yes.
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11:05<fxiny>cahoot: hahahh yeahhhhh : have you read about the pizza-garbage ?
11:06<fxiny>new flavour :P
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11:07<cahoot>just read that Naples suffers from some garbage collection problem
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11:10<fxiny>the naked truth is : they've taken politics on the streets
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11:58<davi>After filesystem recovery, how to check that all packages has all their files installed?
11:59<weasel>debsums might check that
11:59<davi>thanks weasel
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12:03<twb>cruft(8) is good
12:03<twb>Beware it's false positives
12:04<davi>thanks twb
12:04<dvs>weasel: heh
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12:06<fxiny>est est est : it is yeahhhhh
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12:09<kfb>Damn I want Xmonad backported from Sid to Lenny
12:10<fxiny>cast a spell
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12:33<brian__>Does anyone know why initscripts has so many duplicate tmpfs mounts? I have two tmpfs mounts one on the /lib tree and one one the /dev tree. Do I really need them both?
12:36<twb>Probably not
12:37<twb>But are they doing any harm?
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12:39<aioria_>Slt tout le monde!
12:39<brian__>Well, I don't know but I get tired of seeing warnings in my security logs of possible maliscous files.
12:40<brian__>The same tmpfs is mounted in four seperate scripts provided by initscripts.
12:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
12:41<twb>brian__: maybe your should fix your security auditing software
12:41<aioria_>I am sorry .
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12:42<brian__>Well tmpfs filesystems could be a potential security risk.
12:44<twb>aioria_: no problem
12:44<twb>brian__: how so?
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12:44<deepfrze>weasel: are you still here?
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12:45<fxiny>brian__: which baseliner/ids are you using ?
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12:45<brian__>Well, if someone got in they leave no trail on disk of anything they are doing inside of a tmpfs, and if you reboot anything in there is gone. I can think of lots of ways to exploit a system with tmpfs
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12:46<deepfrze>weasel: sorry I had to cut out on you before. I don't have time to work on it now but will try later. Thanks again for your help...
12:46<brian__>fxiny, you're over my head there. What is a baseliner/ids?
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12:49<fxiny>ids are : tripwire samhain aide integrit . a baseliner is ftimes
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12:49<KaiSVK>hi all :)
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12:50<brian__>Oh, ok. I haven't installed samhain yet. Just running chkrootkit.
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12:51<brian__>I don't have a baseliner running either.
12:52<fxiny>which is almost useless imho
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12:52<brian__>Yes, I'm beginning to discover that. What is a general concesus on the best set up then? Or is there one?
12:53<fxiny>i do have it instaled along with rkhunter , but is almost useless
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12:55<fxiny>the very best set up ? a backup .
12:56<myki>Hello, I want to compile evolution packages from source but I have already previous version installed on my system. How do I remove older one, since it's reqired by whole gnome?
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12:56<brian__>Well, I do regular backups, but restores can be a bit of a pain
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12:57<fxiny>debian provide excellent backups tools
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12:59<brian__>fxiny, No doubt about that, but I just don't like doing restores. I'd rather prevent them. Leaves my more time to make money and play.
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13:03<brian__>Well, thanks fxiny. I guess, I'll figure something out and maybe file a bug report to debian. Four scripts from the same package should be trying to moiunt the same fs.
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13:04<fxiny>brian__: which package ?
13:04<fxiny>is it an official one ?
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13:05<brian__>yes it's official stable plain vanilla debian
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13:05<dli>brian__, maybe, trying is okay
13:06<fxiny>brian__: how you detected this ? just chkrootkit ?
13:06<brian__>I suppose, but since the server is in a darkroom, I never see the console boot messages.
13:06<fxiny>you can log your boot
13:07<dli>brian__, enable boot-log
13:07<brian__>Right, I got tired of chkrootkit telling me about it. It's a relatively new development from some upgrade or other. Or maybe from the restore I recently did.
13:08<brian__>where do I enable boot-log?
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13:09<fxiny>brian__: i use tripwire and samhain . i keep a full baseline with ftimes which is not packaged and not quick check friendly
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13:10<dli>brian__, /etc/default/bootlogd
13:10<brian__>What do you mean not quick check friendly?
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13:12<brian__>dli, thanks. I hope it wants "Yes" or "No". It was No, so hopefully "Yes" and not "yes".
13:12<fxiny>samhain and tripwire you just run it automagically from cron or if you want manually , and get the scan mailed , the other one is different
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13:14<brian__>You recoomend both? Hard to set up? Or will the install walk me through the set up? It's a busy box SQL, web, mail
13:14<fxiny>i don't recommend anything : i am a user . wait for sysadmin suggestions
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13:15<brian__>fxiny, lol. Thanks.
13:16<fxiny>hard to set up yes , default config are ok but you are supposed to read all docs so is not easy . install and go works anyway
13:16<fxiny>brian__: they are just apps i've played with :)
13:17<brian__>Ok, well I guess I better go do some reading. Which is partly why I haven't done it yet. I guess it's time, since I really need to have something better than chklrootkit.
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13:18<fxiny>brian__: first was aide on a floppy . then i compiled tripwire on woody and a redhat . not easy but good fun and nice docs . i have two gorgeous (?) tripwire passwords :)
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13:19<brian__>Thanks, fxiny and dli. Maybe I'll package ftimes up also so I can include it in my apps.
13:19<fxiny>brian__: imo ignoring ftimes is somehow a crime
13:20<brian__>Well you can always volunteer to be the maintainer for a debian package. Good luck with that. ;') I haven't got drive for that. I have my own private little cache I use on my desktops.
13:21<brian__>Now, I'm off to teach myself some security. Salut!
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13:22<dpkg>somebody said harden was D:SbD, or, or read
13:23<KaiSVK>heloo twb
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13:53<pessom>âñåì ïðèâåò
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13:54<twb>Can somebody decode that?
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13:54<twb>05:53 <pessom> \342\361\345\354
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13:54<pessom>hi all
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13:55<twb>I'm randomly guessing that you're using ISO 8859 or EUC; I'm only set up to handle UTF-8 except in exceptional channels like #nihongo.
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13:57<fxiny> a nerd sushi chan ? :P
13:58<twb>Sadly, Japanese gets entirely too much attention in the language fanboy community.
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14:00<fxiny>too cryptic ?
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14:11<fxiny>zurgs invasion !
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14:19<devphyl>hey, how install debian netinst cd (not bootable !) from windows ? - i have "this program cannot be run in Dos mode"
14:19<jagerman>What isn't bootable?
14:19<devphyl>cd is burned in Nero (Dos Caldera added)
14:19<twb>Isn't there some website that does Debian installs from Windows via .exe?
14:19<jagerman>devphyl: "(Dos Caldera added)" sounds like a mistake.
14:19<devphyl>i know
14:20<jagerman>How did you burn it?
14:20<devphyl>but i have no idea how boot up that cd
14:20<devphyl>my friend burn it - probable copy data and paste into cd
14:20<twb>devphyl: maybe you should try that
14:20<jagerman>devphyl: Put it in your drive and reboot your computer, generally. Sometimes you need to go into the bios and make the CD/DVD drive boot before the hard drive, though.
14:21<devphyl>jagerman: that way doesnt work
14:21<twb>jagerman: he's fucked up the "burn to CD" part
14:21<jagerman>devphyl: Burn it with, IIRC, File -> Burn Image, then choose the iso
14:21<devphyl>is any solution how to run it if setup.exe on cd throws erroe
14:22<devphyl>that's my quesiotn
14:24<twb>devphyl: you cannot install from the CD you have
14:24<twb>devphyl: it is fucked
14:24<^Error_X>Ok, so I deleted my partition table with an accident (Nothing formatted), is there a way to fix this?
14:24<twb>^Error_X: sure, just create the partition table again
14:24<twb>If you can't remember the partition table, parted might be able to auto-detect it
14:24<jagerman>As long as you know exactly what the old one was :)
14:24<^Error_X>Hm, it already has a debian system on it
14:25<twb>^Error_X: the partition table just tells the OS where to find each filesystem
14:25<twb>^Error_X: you can delete it and re-enter it and nothing will know or care, as long as you create the exact same partition boundaries
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14:25<fxiny>checkout gpart
14:25<twb>Note that I'm speaking of peecee partition tables -- apple and ia64 hardware works differently.
14:26<^Error_X>Ok, i tried 'testdisk' in knoppix and it found the reiserfs partition but I didnt figure out how to re-create it.. it also has a windows installation
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14:26<fxiny>^Error_X: gpart
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14:26<^Error_X>fxiny: Gpart from knoppix?
14:27<twb>gparted is a GUI wrapper for parted.
14:27<twb>It is probably available in Knoppix, but it is available in lots of places
14:27<dpkg>somebody said debian-live was in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:
14:27<fxiny>i don't have knoppix , i guess gpart should be in it
14:27<azeem>fxiny: is gpart something else than gparted
14:27<fxiny>azeem: yes
14:28<jagerman>How confusing :-\
14:28<fxiny>azeem: to recover deleted partition table
14:28<jagerman>gpart - Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions
14:28<azeem>sounds useful
14:28<jagerman>That's cool
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14:30<^Error_X>Ok, gparted is up and running and it found my reiserfs partition..
14:30<jeantodt78>italiano ??
14:30<fxiny>if you remember your partition size you can try gparted by trial and error mounting it ro only and eyeball it
14:31<^Error_X>it says unallocated 234.58GIB (Which is Windows) and /dev/sda1 44.90GIB (Linux)
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14:32<fxiny>hard if is a logical partition : i've lost 10 R.E.M cd's on a dammed logical
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14:32<hever>Hello is there a reverse ldd? I want to know which binaries are using the given shared object file ?
14:33<twb>Note that this only reports RUNNING apps
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14:33<fxiny>it was my fault anyway , i had no hard copy of my partition table
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14:35<kaizo>does anybody know any archiving tool for ktheme?
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14:37<hever>Hej! ldd doesn't tell me that apache2 needs
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14:37<azeem>hever: is that an actual issue?
14:37<hever>Is there another way to find out that apache2 needs
14:38<twb>hever: I have the impression you're planning on doing something stupid, like deleting random files in /usr/lib
14:38<azeem>hever: ldd
14:38<twb>hever: what prompted this line of questioning?
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14:38<azeem>mbanck@raptor:~$ ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 | grep ld- /lib/ (0xb7ef9000)
14:38<azeem>bah, stupid linewrap
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14:40<hever>azeem: oooh yes I see it
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14:40<hever>twb I'm going to copy or hardlink some files into a chroot...
14:40<twb>hever: why not just make a new debian in the chroot?
14:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for ...
14:41<hever>twb I'm running apache webserver on it
14:41<twb>So debootstrap then `chroot /foo apt-get install apache2'
14:42<twb>However I think apache (bleh, yuk) has a chroot module.
14:42<azeem>!info makejail
14:42<hever>twb: yes it has. But with mod_fcgid there are some thing you have to do manually
14:42<dpkg>makejail: (Automatically create chroot jails for programs), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
14:46<hever>Thanks for your help!
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14:52<hever>Ok but here is the next thing. Im hardlinking some things into the chroot. mount --bind doesn't follow symbolic links. How can I hardlink this symbolic links, means tell mount to follow them ?
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14:53<joyfulgirl>hever: As in the dir you're linking is really a symlink, or it's messing with the symlinks inside the directory?
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14:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:00<Joris_>any python-on-debian wizzards arround? etch doesn't have mysqldb for python2.5, and python2.4 (which has mysqldb) does not have hashlib, which I need for sha512..
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15:01<hever>joyfulgirl: For example I'm going to bind /lib/ into /var/www/lib/ but its a symlink: /lib/ ->
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15:01<joyfulgirl>hever: Ah...yeah, sorry...
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15:03<hever>joyfulgirl: :) And you have no idea ?
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15:05<joyfulgirl>hever: 'Fraid not, other than making the symlink point to an absolute path (which I'm sort of making up, I'm afraid...I don't know if that would *actually* help)
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15:09<Tarcas>hever: If you know how to make a symlink to do what you want, just leave the -s off the ln command.
15:10<Tarcas>hever: default is hard links
15:10<hever>Tarcas: I'm using mount --bind
15:10<hever>I thinks my filesystem (Reiserfs) doesn't support hardlinks on files
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15:11<Tarcas>Is there a reason you're using a filesystem which is known to lose data?
15:12<Tarcas>Yes it's fast, but...
15:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:12<hever>is there any other tool which can the symlink resolve,. So that I can forward the output to mount --bind ? (I think I can write a small perl oneliner)
15:13<hever>Tarcas: is here on my testing desktop on the server I'm not sure but I read something about reiser4 or ext3
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15:19<jelito>Hello, I have a server with Debian with backported newer kernel ( ). There is mdadm software RAID with JFS filesystem on it. The problem is following: If file has around 3 GB and more, I get wrong CRC/MD5 when I calculate it and each time different. If I copy a file off server to my PC, it is corrupted, but each time on different places. I hope files are not corrupted, but there is problem when reading them.
15:19<jelito>I already tried searching google, two forums, several IRC channels, but still no help. I am slowly beginning to wave my data a goodbye.
15:20<jelito>I am a real linux noob, I can't help myself with this, nor my friends could help me...
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15:22<KaiSVK>jelito, are you czech ? :)
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15:25<Error_X>I am installing debian via Internet and now it says: "Preparing libc6" forever, and when I check the status log (Alt+F4) It says: Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n]... How do I press Y? I tried but nothing happend
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15:28<Tarcas>What's the best way to track down a kernel panic at boot time?
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15:34<Tarcas>Ah, it would seem that ACPI had a bunch of modules that I hadn't told to install... Turned most of those off (and a few to be built in) and am now recompiling again.
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15:37<Tarcas>Another panic, different call trace. I repeat my question. What's the best way to track down a kernel panic at boot time?
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15:44<Error_X>I am installing debian via Internet and now it says: "Preparing libc6" forever, and when I check the status log (Alt+F4) It says: Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n]... How do I press Y? I tried but nothing happend
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15:47<weasel>ouch, that sounds like a nasty bug
15:47<weasel>Error_X: which media did you use to install?
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15:48<weasel>Error_X: did you press Enter on that console?
15:48<Error_X>weasel: tried enter in console yes, but no results
15:48<weasel>(not that I think it would help, afaik there's only a tail of the log running on that console)
15:48<Error_X>Using HTTP (Norwegian network mirror)
15:48<weasel>Error_X: not which mirror, but what did you use to boot?
15:49<Error_X>a net-install CD (weekly build)
15:49<weasel>which one?
15:49<Error_X>let me check
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15:49<Error_X>Etch Binary-1 20070122-09:27
15:49<weasel>try a newer one
15:50<Error_X>I dont want stable
15:50<weasel>then why are you using a year old etch installer cd?
15:50<Tarcas>upgrading from stable to testing is easy. Just change your apt-sources. It sure beats not being able to install glibc
15:50<Error_X>Its the only one I found
15:50<weasel>Error_X: install stable.
15:50<Error_X>lying around here
15:50<Error_X>weasel: Ok
15:51<weasel>Error_X: then, if you still want testing or unstable, upgrade.
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16:14<houston2458>what is a good volume control for alsa rather than alsa mixer?
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16:15<ishaypeled>hello, can anyone help with a compilation problem?
16:18<ishaypeled>linking against libupnp?
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16:18<StCyr>maybe not ;-)
16:18<ishaypeled>well... at least you listned
16:18<twb>I didn't
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16:19<StCyr>shame on you
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16:20<joyfulgirl>houston2458: What're you looking for? A graphical client or a commandline tool?
16:21<houston2458>grapical to run in fluxbox
16:21<houston2458>commandline would be good too
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16:22<twb>houston2458: alsamixer
16:23<twb>It's good enough, and it's included in a low-level alsa package and is thus usually installed
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16:24<joyfulgirl>houston2458: Well, just amixer works, but doesn't provide an interface...there's also alsamixergui...I've never used it, though, so I can't really vouch one way or the other.
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16:25<houston2458>thanks, I was looking for an alternate to alsamixer-gui
16:26<twb>gnome provides one
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16:27<deepfrze>weasel: are you busy? would you like to help me with my USB / camera access permission problem?
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16:30<deepfrze>anyone care to help me with this problem I can access my camera as root, but not as user. lsusb gives me information on the camera, but I don't know how to set the permissions...
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16:32<veaceslav>someone here plays racer simulator?
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16:38<deepfrze>okay, anyone point me in the direction where I can find the information on how to set the read/write permissions on a USB device?
16:38<dpalacio>deepfrze: It is not about mounting the camera as a disk, right?
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16:40<deepfrze>dpalacio: no, I can see the device using lsusb, but in user mode it wont let me access certain information. In root mode lsusb -v gives me all that info.
16:40<radivx>Hi, Running a D430 with a fresh install of Lenny. Having trouble with getting the Intel Wireless to work (intel 4965agn) any tips?
16:40<ice63>dpalacio: try
16:41<dpalacio>deepfrze: I had a similar problem with virtualbox and should be related
16:41<SixT6>ice63: Are the users here on the freenode chan too?
16:42<deepfrze>dpalacio: do you remember how you solved it?
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16:42<JasonS>SixT6: some are
16:42<dpalacio>Yeah, I have the instructions (for Etch). Anyway, you need to create a usb group
16:42<weasel>Sat 16:09:27 <weasel> deepfrze: ah. so maybe your camera isn't a usb mass storage device at all?
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16:43<SixT6>I was thinking about repeating the question here, but that would just be whining if everyone's read it on freenode already
16:43<dpkg>somebody said iwlwifi was the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
16:43<ice63>SixT6: well no
16:44<deepfrze>weasel: I guess not. All I need to know is how to change the r/w access priviledges for a USB device
16:44<weasel>I don't have an answer to that
16:44<weasel>google might know.
16:44<radivx>could someone tell me how to install the newest kernel then? Currently running 2.6.22-3
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16:44<StCyr>deepfrze: I have had a camera-related permission issue with "udev" on debian etch. What I did is edit a file in /etc/udev/rules.d
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16:44<kfb>radivx: that message from dpkg was for you
16:44<dpalacio>deepfrze: After you created the usb group, find in /etc/init.d/ the line: domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb -onoexec,nosuid,nodev
16:44<StCyr>deepfrze: file 020_permissions.rules
16:46<dpkg>rumour has it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets ( Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at
16:46<StCyr>I added the following line (self-explanatory): KERNEL=="raw1394", GROUP="users"
16:48<deepfrze>StCyr: okay, Is the first part of that line necessary?
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16:49<StCyr>I guess it is... Don't know
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16:49<SixT6>I'm installing lenny 32-bit on my new core2duo system. I've downloaded 3 different iso, live, full install, and the disk1 dvd. I've burned out the 2 cd-isos on 4 different computers on aprox 4 cds each, and burned out the dvd on 2 computers. All of the disks fail while loading modules after the "detect and mount cd-rom" step. I also tried 1 64-bit cd, and that one works. Does anyone have any clue what could be wrong? Ps: Tried one etch cd and the same e
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16:51<StCyr>what this line says (at least that's how I understood it) is: Let the group "users" be owner of the /dev/raw1394 file.
16:51<deepfrze>okay, thanks, I'll look at those files and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the leads.
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16:52<Tarcas>SixT6, I had a similar problem, only I was using the AMD64 installer. At the install prompt, type "install generic.all_generic_ide=1"
16:52<deepfrze>dpalacio: StCyr thanks for the help.
16:53<deepfrze>weasel: thanks to you as well.
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16:53<SixT6>Tarcas: I'll try that, thanks
16:53<Tarcas>SixT6: What's your motherboard?
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16:53<SixT6>gigabyte, p35c ds3r
16:54<Tarcas>hmm... Newer chipset than mine. Probably the same issue.
16:57<radivx>kfb: I only get 2 A4 pages with warnings and errors while trying to compile iwlwifi-1.1.18
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16:58<kfb>radivx: you don't need to compile it -- you need to run 'apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi' as root or sudo
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17:00<deepfrze>StCyr: do you mean /etc/udev/udev.rules ? /etc/udev/rules.d is a directory
17:01<radivx>kfb: how do I upgrade to the 2.6.24 kernel?
17:02<Tarcas>radivx: -- download the source to /usr/src
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17:03<Tarcas>...or I guess you could upgrade your kernel package from aptitude. :-D
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17:07<kfb>radivx: I dunno Debian Sid only uses the 2.6.23 kernel bu the debian 2.6.23 Debian kernel has a iwlwifi module package 'modprobe iwl4965'
17:08<bighornram>Should the current state of lenny be able to roam / connect to a wireless connection without editing the interfaces file manually?
17:08<hax>is there some kind of pam test tool i can use?
17:08<dondelelcaro>bighornram: if you're using network-manager, yes, otherwise, no.
17:08<radivx>any quick way to fetch the 2.6.23 kernel?
17:09<dondelelcaro>radivx: if you're running unstable, that's the current version
17:09<SixT6>radivx: From, like Tarcas said
17:10<kfb>dondelelcaro: he is running Lenny
17:10<bighornram>network manager doesn't seem to find my wireless. finds my LAN but wireless at home wap I have to manually configure. I recently travelled, and hotel had open wireless, I had to enter essid name into interfaces file manually.
17:11<dondelelcaro>radivx: then if you're running testing, you can either wait for it to transition from unstable, or you can just get the kernel package and dpkg -i it directly.
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17:12<kfb>dondelelcaro: there is a 'firmware-iwlwifi' package in the repositories for Debian Lenny for the 4965 intel wireless card he has
17:13<kfb>dondelelcaro: ok nevermind
17:13<dondelelcaro>firmware has nothing to do with the version of the kernel you're running
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17:13<dondelelcaro>(well, very little)
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17:15<radivx>dondelelcaro: do you know how I can get hold of a .deb with the newest kernel?
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17:16<knewt>i just build my own kernel .deb's :)
17:16<kfb>radivx: you can ignore thos warnings while trying to compile iwlwifi-1.1.18 and go ahead and just try to install the module -- read here :
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17:17<radivx>kfb: getting a lot of errors too
17:18<dondelelcaro>why are you building the iwlwifi modules?
17:18<rb>My Debian Stable system's fonts are weird. I get white squares instead of numbers or hyphens on some pages. Anybody seen this?
17:18<rb>s/some pages/some web pages/
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17:19<SixT6>rb: The same as when you check out asian/middle eastern websites?
17:20<radivx>dondelelcaro: because they're not included with the 2.6.22 "!#¤% that Lenny uses
17:20<rb>SixT6, yeah, pretty much. Like Google will be "Cached[][][]Similar pages", where "[]" is a white square.
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17:22<jsubl2>anyone know of a fix to get mozilla lightning to work
17:22<user01>is anyone using testing? my nautilus keeps crashing when i right click for properties
17:22<user01>closes out all windows
17:23<user01>is there another file manager that works well?
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17:23<SixT6>rb: Happened recently or been like that since you installed it?
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17:24<rb>SixT6, pretty recently, after I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the old stable to the new stable.
17:24<dondelelcaro>radivx: sure, but the ipw3945 modules are already compiled and there.
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17:25<SixT6>rb: Have you checked if the locales got changed?
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17:25<SixT6>Type 'locale' in a terminal if you haven't
17:25<user01>thunar works
17:25<radivx>dondelelcaro: It's a 4965 card
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17:26<user01>Gtk-ERROR **: file /tmp/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.12.1/gtk/gtkliststore.c: line 1677 (gtk_list_store_compare_func): assertion failed: (VALID_ITER (&iter_b, list_store))
17:27<user01>get that in nautilis when i click on properties
17:28<rb>SixT6, I think I changed 'em during the upgrade. For my 'locale' output see:
17:29<SixT6>*hiss* iso
17:29<SixT6>aptitude install locales
17:29<rb>SixT6, I'll try...
17:29<SixT6>Or if you've already installed that package, dpkg-reconfigure locales
17:30<SixT6>Install en_US.UTF-8
17:30<SixT6>And select it as the default
17:30<SixT6>Don't know if you'll have to restart x afterwards
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17:33<SixT6>ISO is the evil of man
17:33<klys>osi is french
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17:36<rb>SixT6, generating locales... I'll tell you when it's done. Would you advise removing the ISO locales?
17:36<SixT6>I would, but I'm a bit of a nazi on that area
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17:36<SixT6>If I were you I'd ask someone else as well
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17:38<TertziBoy>need some help, please tell me working repositories for source.list
17:38<TertziBoy>stable packeges
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17:39<TertziBoy>can't find working ones anywhere....
17:39<SixT6>deb etch main
17:39<ellobo>hi, a good 2008 for all
17:39<SixT6>You can add contrib and non-free to the end if you want more packages available
17:39<SixT6>And deb-src etch main
17:39<TertziBoy>thx, I try that one
17:39<TertziBoy>hope it works
17:40<SixT6>You need both of them
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17:40<user01>hmm i found the bug posted one other
17:40<ellobo>i have a high resolution (1920x1200) monitor, and don't like antialias'ed font on terminals, but the default ones in kde/gnome/x11 look terrible if i take the AA... so I am using Clean, but it is terribly small
17:40<rb>SixT6, locales "generation complete", I'll leave, restart X, & tell how it went...
17:40<ellobo>which fonts do you use?
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17:43<TertziBoy>SixT6: thx, those work like gangbusters :D
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17:44<SixT6>That's the default ones
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17:46<SixT6>2 screens @ 1440x900, rxvt using monospace size 9
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17:47<SixT6>Better than.... chocolate?
17:47<SixT6>Yeah, deffo better than chocolate
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17:53<radivx>upgraded the kernel to 2.6.23-1 from sid. worked perfectly. tnx for your help kfb and dondelelcaro
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17:56<dpkg>somebody said was an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo or, or ask me about < amd64>
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17:57<andrej>how can i play a dvd from my HDD with mplayer in console what's the command ???
17:57<lupine>mplayer <the file>
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17:57<SixT6>mplayer -zoom /media/cdrom
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17:57<rb>SixT6, restarted X, locale changed, see: ...but I still see those squares...
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17:57<SixT6>Or if you want a GUI, just gmplayer
17:58<klys>mplayer -ao alsa -vo x11 -framedrop dvd://
17:58<andrej>i have VIDEO_TS on my dvd
17:58<andrej>not dvd
17:58<SixT6>rb: Using firefox?
17:58<lupine>IIRC it's the .VOB file you want to play
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17:58<lupine>been a while, though
17:58<andrej>which one ?
17:59<rb>SixT6, yeah, Iceweasel v2.0.0.10
18:00<SixT6>Do you have evolution?
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18:01<rb>SixT6, no but 'dglob' says I have 'evolution-data-server-common' & 'evolution-data-server'.
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18:02<SixT6>Do you have nautilus?
18:02<andrej>i want to play with mplayer a dvd files from my VIDEO_TS folder with menu does any one know the right command ?
18:02<SixT6>andrej: Do you have gmplayer as well?
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18:03<andrej>if you know how to play there would be ok too
18:03<rb>SixT6, no nautilus, (KDE), but 'dglob' says I have 'libnautilus-burn3' & 'libnautilus-extension1'
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18:04<SixT6>I'd try with a different browser and see if you have the same problems
18:04<radivx> <-- Anyone know the name of that infobar application to the right?
18:04<SixT6>andrej: mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device ~/folders/VIDEO_TS
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18:05<SixT6>Switch folders with the appropriate path in your home directory
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18:07<rb>SixT6, 'iceweasel' & 'iceape' show white squares, 'konqeror' & 'dillo' no squares
18:10<andrej>SixT6: thank you! but there's no menu and sound :(((
18:10<SixT6>Do you have the sound_ts ?
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18:12<SixT6>rb: Try closing all your browsers and do a dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel
18:13<andrej>SixT6: if you mean audio_ts no i don't have it and it never is necessary for video playing ... the movie sound works ... tested
18:13<radivx>What do I need to get working audio on a fresh install?
18:13<andrej>the menu exists
18:13<SixT6>andrej: I'd recommend using vlc or xine instead then
18:13<Supaplex>!tell radivx -about alsa
18:14<SixT6>alsa <3
18:14<SixT6>rb: If that doesn't work check the language settings under 'advanced' in the iceweasel preferences
18:15<SixT6>I've got [en] and [en-us], if that's not a part of the problem then I'm afraid I can't help you
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18:16<kingsley>Is it possible to diagnose where a kernel hangs at boot time with more specificity than the overview logged to virtual terminal 1? If so, how?
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18:16<rb>SixT6, the reconfigure made no visible difference. The language preferences are (in order of preference) [en-us] and [en].
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18:18<SixT6>Well, the problem probably lies with iceweasel/ape, some settings or preferences, and I don't have nearly enough experience within that field to help you
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18:19<telemachus>kingsley: I don't know how to get more info, but what exactly are you looking to find out? What does it say when it hangs now?
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18:19<rb>SixT6, that sounds likely. Anybody know of the an appropriate icey irc forum for this?
18:19<rb>s/the and/some/
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18:22<kingsley>telemachus: Thanks for asking. First, I'm hoping to find out as precisely as possible where the kernel hangs while booting. (My hope is that I'll then be able to fix it so it'll boot.) Second, the last status line displayed by the kernel before it stops booting is "Setting up Alsa...done."
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18:23<Supaplex>kingsley: /msg dpkg single and use update-rc.d to remove alsa at startup. /msg dpkg blacklist might apply to.
18:23<telemachus>kingsley: so that's fairly far along then. My only experience has been with total, instant kernel panic or with a failure to find the necessary filesystem. But either of those would die on you long before Alsa.
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18:23<telemachus>kingsley: is this a stock Debian kernel or your own?
18:24<valdyn>kingsley: that is not the kernel that is hanging at that point
18:24<valdyn>kingsley: it *could* be, but more probably it is not.
18:24<vook>kingsley: alsa starts at S50 by default. Just check the processes also starting at S50 or greater
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18:25<kingsley>Supaplex: I happened to notice that the kernel's last status line says it's done setting up ALSA. What would be the benefit of removing ALSA from startup?
18:25<vook>kingsley: go through /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d/ looking for the processes that start immediately after S50 (including alsa) that should narrow it.
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18:28<kingsley>telemachus: Yes, it's a difficult bug. I'm using a stock kernel that started hanging after a power outage, and which continues to hang after the hard disk drive manufacturer's diagnostic diskette and fsck say the hard drive has no errors, and after removing all files and restoring them from a backup.
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18:31<kingsley>vook: That's a clever suggestion. I find myself wondering if I could use it to identify the process that starts after ALSA ends. Thanks.
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18:32<vook>kingsley: of course. the process in rc2.d or rcS.d that has the next highest number above 50 (or including 50) is the process that starts after S50alsa. i.e. S50blahlbah would start after S50alsa, S51blahblah next, etc...
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18:33<telemachus>kingsley: on my system is immediately after Alsa
18:33<javo>how can i get a video capture of my desktop ?
18:34<owner>hello, i am trying to install the most recent stable debian on a compaq presario, amd sempron 512ram, 6gb hd, and i am getting an error : your cpu does not suppost long mode. use a 32bit distribution, and i can't seem to find the right one, can someone help me out?
18:34<javo>wich package do i need? i vave debian lenny
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18:34<rb>I'm off to the races, Tnx SixT6 ...
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18:34<kingsley>OK, hold on. I'll go boot the box with a live CD and check rc2.d and rcS.d.
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18:35<telemachus>owner: it sounds like you downloaded a 64bit version of debian
18:35<vook>kingsley: to disable one of those processes, just rename it to K##name, i.e. mv S50alsautils K50alsautils
18:36<owner>telemachus: which i figured out haha, but i can't seem to find a 32bit version for an amd
18:37<telemachus>owner: I may be wrong, but I don't think you need a specifically amd version
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18:37<telemachus>owner: I think that you could just use the i386 version (sort of vanilla) from here:
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18:37<owner>thanks, i'll give it a try
18:38<telemachus>owner: you might think about a minimal netinstall version here:
18:38<telemachus>owner: that installs a base system, and then you do the rest via the web using apt-get or aptitude
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18:39<owner>telemachus: i've gone through about 4 discs arleady just trying out the different iso's so i thought i'd ask for help :P, and i would try the net insall but the laptop i'm working on currently has no os, so i'm stuck with iso's
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18:39<vook>owner: unless you have more than 4gb of ram, unfortunately there is little advantage to running a 64 bit OS and 64 bit code. (not that there may be a slight speed increase, but often the headaches that come with 64-bit software (these days) don't make it worthwhile for most.) just my 2 cents.
18:39<telemachus>owner: well, like the other isos, the netinstall disc will install a base Debian system
18:40<Odd_Bloke>owner: The netinstall disc contains networking stuff, you don't need a working OS to use it...
18:40<telemachus>owner: the difference is that it will install everything else (other than the base) by downloading it over the internet rather than from the disc itself
18:40<telemachus>owner: it means that you can download a smaller installation disc now and then get what you want via the web
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18:41<owner>yea, i didn't realize i had downloaded the 64bit, ohh well then haha, forgive me i'm still new at the linux/debian stuff, but that makes a lot more sence then waiting 20 min.s for a full cd iso
18:41<telemachus>owner: as Odd_Bloke says, you don't need an os to use the netinstall
18:41<telemachus>owner: but you may want to read through the installation guide a bit to get a sense of the process
18:42<owner>alright will do, thanks a lot, i'm sure i'll be back with more questions :).
18:42<kingsley>vook: Is my assumption correct that I could insert simple shell scripts into rc2.d and rcS.d to echo status lines to the console that show how far it boots before hanging?
18:42<Graveworm>Hi all! Anyone using Licq? I have a weird problem. Two days ago I started it after not using it for a few months. But it doesn't show online users. Users have to send me a message so I can see them. Then they "stay" online till I close Licq. Any Ideas?
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18:43<vook>kingsley: sure
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18:43<Graveworm>Was there a change in the protocol again?
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18:44<radivx>Anyone familiar with fluxbox here?
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18:45<telemachus>kingsley: from the readme in /etc/rcS.d/: * After the S40 scripts have executed, all local file systems are mounted and networking is available. All device drivers have been initialized.
18:45<kingsley>telemachus: Thanks. That's interesting.
18:45<telemachus>kingsley: so that suggests to me that the *booting* part is ok, it's something later
18:46<telemachus>kingsley: though I admit I'm quickly getting out of my depth here
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18:49<joshrulez2>whats the stop command
18:49<joshrulez2>for apache etc...
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18:49<koollman>joshrulez2: something like /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
18:50<joshrulez2>ok cheers
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18:52<joshrulez2>and to start again?
18:53<vook>joshrulez2: running the script without a command shows the usage (stop, start, restart, etc...)
18:53<telemachus>joshrulez2: check out
18:54<joshrulez2>k thanks
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18:56<Tuplad>what to do when you get an error message that you don't have enough rights to mount a drive ? I formatted and partitioned my 100gb drive into 1 drive, converted to ext3 and added it to fstab but I can not access it
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18:58<Tuplad>oh, nevermind, my apologies, forgot to create the directory in /mnt
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19:02<kingsley>vook & telemachus : I just added "set -xv" to the ALSA script in /etc/rcS.d. "Set -xv" normally echos each line that bash executes...
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19:03<telemachus>kingsley: right...
19:04<joshrulez2>how do i remove all files in a directory cause rmdir doesnt work
19:04<vook>joshrulez2: rm -rf dirname (be careful)
19:05<joshrulez2>ok thanks
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19:06*vook once long ago accidentally executed 'rm -rf *' while in / (10 seconds later it was too late)
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19:08<telemachus>joshrulez2: rmdir only works on empty directories; see "man rm" for more on -rf with rm (-r is recursive and -f is force, both are potentially dangerous, so watch your typing)
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19:10<Ace_Wolf>need one help for whitch its the command for enable identd ?
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19:11<vook>Ace_Wolf: it's not in the default install - have you installed it?
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19:14<Ace_Wolf>i downloaded
19:14<Ace_Wolf>yesterday the 1 cd and i make download update
19:15<hax>any of you know how to test pam modules?
19:15<Ace_Wolf>i make the instalation
19:15<vook>Ace_Wolf: which identd server did you install?
19:15<hax>is there some sort of app where you specify the module/user/pass and it tells you yes/no?
19:16<Ace_Wolf>hmm ihave to download that ??
19:16<Ace_Wolf>witch one to download then ?
19:17<vook>Ace_Wolf: try this - cd to /etc/init.d/ then type "find | grep ident" if something shows up, then type /etc/init.d/{what was found}
19:18<Hideo>vook: I did the same thing, but with /etc =P
19:19<vook>Hideo: yeah, it hurts
19:19<Ace_Wolf>debian:/etc/init.d# find | grep ident
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19:21<Ace_Wolf>with " it whas command not fund
19:21<Ace_Wolf>vook any help .. :}
19:22<vook>Ace_Wolf: I can't really recommend any identd servers... aptitude search identd - then research them.
19:22<vook>I see about 7
19:23<joshrulez2>debian is trying to run apache through vhcs2 as i had a corrupt vhcs installation, what can i do to change that
19:23<Ace_Wolf>witch one you have
19:23<vook>Ace_Wolf: I don't use it.
19:23<Ace_Wolf>aham ok thx
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19:34<hpitelka>would anybody know why I wouldn't be able to create the /dev/video0 device?
19:35<lupine_>are you trying as the root user?
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19:35<hpitelka>lupine_: yes, I run mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
19:36<lupine_>well, it works here
19:36<hpitelka>and it creates the node, however every program says it cannot find /dev/video0
19:36*vook will be more careful in the future when advising about the 'rm' command. (reading #debian guidelines - yikes, sorry... 8| )
19:37<lupine_>you have a kernel module loaded that provides an interface to /dev/video0 ? (e.g. v4l2)
19:37<lupine_>and do normal users have read permissions to the device node?
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19:38<hpitelka>I believe I have a module that provides the interface (a modprobe v4l2 returned not found), and the device node is set to allow others access
19:40<hpitelka>and when running MAKEDEV it returns "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
19:40<hpitelka>and indeed there is a /dev/.static/dev/video0 device
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19:47<spartakuss>äähhhh debian stinkt!!!! :)
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19:49<spartakuss>was meant as a joke ;)
19:49<spartakuss>using since 4years now debian :)
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20:05<Villarroel>How to search packages on "hold", "~h" is a "unknown pattern"
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20:11<owner>trying to set up wireless with debian, can\t figure it out, anyone care tolend a hand?
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20:12<owner>trying to set up wireless internet with debian, can't figure it out, anyone care to lend a hand?
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20:13<snogglethorpe>owner: no clue personally, but it seems an interesting topic...
20:14<snogglethorpe>owner: what do you mean by "setup wireless"? e.g., you want to use wifi to access the net from a debian laptop?
20:14<owner>thats exacly it haha
20:15<owner>snogglethorpe: yea thats what i'm trying to do, i know the wep, but what is an essin, and dhcp?
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20:15<snogglethorpe>hmm isn't the main issue whether or not your wireless hardware has a driver or not? I seem to recall that some wifi hardware had no free drivers (intentionally, apparently...)
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20:16<owner>hmm, i'm not to sure
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20:17<snogglethorpe>i'm not sure where hardware show up on a laptop... on my system I'd use "lspci" to see what hardware I have installed, and go from there
20:17<owner>oh wel, i'll go without for now
20:17<snogglethorpe>I think these days there are various hardware discovery programs
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20:18<snogglethorpe>GUI even
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20:18<owner>hmm i know the laptop has two peices of hardware for wifi, i'm jsut not sure how to set up the essin, wep, and what dhcp is
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20:18<snogglethorpe>btw "DHCP" is how your machine can get a network address, if it can access the network
20:19<owner>oh well that makes sence haha
20:19<snogglethorpe>basically there needs to be a "DHCP server" (e.g., in my house, my ADSL modem is the DHCP server) which will hand out addresses
20:20<snogglethorpe>anyway in your case I suspect just talking to the network at all is the main hurdle, and the other stuff is easy
20:20<owner>k well i ahve a d-link wireless router, but when ever it goes to search dhcp it says it can't find one
20:20<snogglethorpe>who says that?
20:20<snogglethorpe>the _router_ does?
20:20<owner>i actually have no idea, i just moved in and i don't know how they have anthing setup
20:21<snogglethorpe>do you have broadband access?
20:21<snogglethorpe>like i mentioned before, often the adsl (or cable) modem provides a lot of these services
20:22<snogglethorpe>so is the "d-link wireless router" your own box? hooked up to a wired network?
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20:22<owner>well its hooked up to a modem
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20:22<snogglethorpe>owner: and right now your laptop (or whatever) is hooked up to the wired network?
20:23<owner>no, its currently searching for wifi networks
20:23<snogglethorpe>owner: "currently searching"?
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20:23<snogglethorpe>owner: what does "/sbin/ifconfig" say?
20:24<owner>snogglethorpe: give me a mintue or two its installing software.....
20:25<snogglethorpe>hmm the page Hideo posted says: For Wi-Fi interfaces the iwconfig program which comes in the wireless-tools package is used in addition to either ifconfig or ip.
20:25<owner>yea i'm looking through that right now
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20:26<SixT6>owner: Are you sure you don't mean essid?
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20:27<owner>sixt6: yes, it kept asking me for an essin, may have been a d it was kind of cut off
20:27<SixT6>What keeps asking?
20:27<owner>network config
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20:28<SixT6>Which network config? Default gnome/kde?
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20:28<owner>umm, i'm not to sure, it was durning installation
20:29<SixT6>Well, open a terminal and su
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20:29<SixT6>Type 'iwlist scan' to show available networks
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20:29<SixT6>It will also show the name of your wireless adapter, probably eth1 or wlan0
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20:30<clone>hi, i read that the "bf2.4 flavor normaly tries to install the USB and USB keyboard driver in order to allow the installation for users of some non-standard USB", anyone can help me find the download link for a netinstall
20:30<SixT6>To connect to the wireless network type 'iwconfig wlan0 essid NameOfTheNetwork key s:password mode managed'
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20:31<saeed>any one
20:31<snogglethorpe>saeed: keyboard probs?
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20:33<saeed>any one from arabia
20:33<SixT6>Probably not
20:34<clone>anyone know how to use debian install with usb keyboard?
20:34<snogglethorpe>clone: it normally "just works"
20:34<SixT6>clone: Check your bios for usb support
20:34<snogglethorpe>clone: usb keyboard usually seem to be recgonized at a very low level
20:35<clone>SixT6, thing is my usb keyboard doesn't work, so I cant get into bios
20:35<snogglethorpe>(even for my 9-year-old BIOS)
20:35<SixT6>You don't have an old ps2 keyboard laying around, because the error is most probably within the bios config
20:35<clone>snogglethorpe, I have a server that requires a c2t cable
20:35<snogglethorpe>clone: is it a known-funny keyboard?
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20:37<snogglethorpe>clone: er, what's a c2t cable?
20:37<clone>I need a debian install cd that will load the usb driver and run it first so I can begin the installation, cause right now, I cant even hit enter
20:37<SixT6>I think the installer has autorun
20:37<snogglethorpe>clone: did you just wait a while?
20:37<SixT6>So if you'll just let it be for a while it should start
20:37<clone>snogglethorpe, it for servers, they are for setting up a bunch of server in series and then plugging a peripherals only into the last one wit a special cable called c2t
20:37<Hideo>clone: I don't get it, so the usb keyboard does not work at all, even w/o the debian cd?
20:37<clone>Hideo, yeah
20:37<SixT6>Hideo: The usb-keyboard doesn't work during the bios boot, which means the bios is configured to not use USB deviced during boot
20:37<clone>Hey, guys I never thought about waiting it out, if you just wait, it will continue on it own?
20:38<SixT6>Reduces the amount of possible errors while booting
20:38<snogglethorpe>clone: easy enough to find out ... :-)
20:38<SixT6>clone: Most probably
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20:40<Hideo>I think the installer's kernel automatically loads the usb module
20:40<Hideo>wait and see
20:40<clone>Hideo, yeah, but you have to hit enter to get it started
20:42<snogglethorpe>clone: hit enter to what prompt?
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20:42<snogglethorpe>clone: boot prompt?
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20:43<clone>when it start the installation, a the prompt, hit F1 or something for help, of enter to start installation
20:43<snogglethorpe>clone: hmm I thought that'd time out
20:43<snogglethorpe>clone: if not, it seems a trivial modification to make it do so, if you can rewrite the boot media ...
20:44<clone>snogglethorpe, sure, I don't mind doing that
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20:44<clone>snogglethorpe, thats awesome
20:44<snogglethorpe>clone: er, not that I'm familiar with debian installation setup ...
20:45<scsss>Hey, trying to set up a wifi connection with debian, not sure how to go about it, anyone know how?
20:45<kingsley>vook & telemachus : After sprinkling "set -xv" among various scripts in rcS.d and rc2.d, I can report that none of them are hanging. The hang must be happening after the scripts in rcS.d and rc2.d run.
20:45<kingsley>vook & telemachus : Would you care to suggest where to look next for the hanging code?
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20:46<scsss>Hey, trying to set up a wifi connection with debian, not sure how to go about it, anyone know how?
20:46<snogglethorpe>clone: i don't want to mislead you by guessing (there are probably much more knowledgable peopel hanging out here) but can you mount the boot media on another system and grovel around?
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20:49<scsss>Hey, trying to set up a wifi connection with debian, not sure how to go about it, anyone know how?
20:49<snogglethorpe>scsss: someone posted this just a whiel ago:
20:50<kingsley>scsss: I don't know how, and can only suggest the general advice of searching Google's indices for wifi debian tutorial | howto
20:50<scsss>thanks a lot, i'll give it a try
20:50<snogglethorpe>scsss: there's wifi stuff in the "wireless-tools" package
20:51<snogglethorpe>scsss: that webpage gives a decent amount of info though it's mixed in with lots of other stuff so you need to search around
20:51<scsss>do you know where i can find the wireless tools pakage? and alright
20:52<vook>kingsley: perhaps boot with a live cd - then mount all of your filesystems, then chroot to the filesystem root.
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20:53<vook>kingsley: as well, fsck the filesystems before mounting them. After mounting them, try to execute some basic commands, like bash or login.
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20:53<vook>*after fscking, mounting, and chrooting thatis
20:55<SixT6>scsss: aptitude install wireless-tools
20:56<scsss>sixt6: k so i've opened aptitude, how would i go about doing the install ?
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20:57<vook>scsss: you could quit aptitude, then back at the shell prompt type "aptitude install wireless-tools"
20:57<scsss>vook: well that makes sence
21:00<scsss>vook: i'd have to be in root for that to work correct?
21:00<vook>sudo aptitude install wireless-tools
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21:02<scsss>"X" is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported
21:02<vook>scsss: i suspected so.
21:02<vook>scsss: go in as root ( su -)
21:02<vook>then nano /etc/sudoers
21:03<vook>add a line at the bottom that is the same as the "root" line, but with your username
21:03<jrolland-iBook>Does anyone know where the .pem ssl certificate is srored for apache2 in etch?
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21:04<scsss>alright added the line
21:05<vook>yep - save it, exit root, and try again.
21:05<jrolland-iBook>The one for making your webserver serve secure pages?
21:06<scsss>vook: sorry how do i save it?
21:06<vook>CTRL-O I
21:06<vook>CTRL-O then enter.
21:07<lamby>jrolland-iBook: I don't think there is a specific place for it, but look under /etc/apache2. Grepping your sites-available for "SSLCertificate" might help.
21:08<scsss>vook: unknown id: aptitude
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21:08<vook>scsss: the bottom line in /etc/sudoers should look like:
21:08<vook>username ALL=(ALL) ALL
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21:09<scsss>vook: i prolly messed up the save give me a sec
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21:11<scsss>oka, now its empty ..
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21:14<Graveworm>Hi all! I have a weird problem. If I start LIcq I can see all offline users, update of user info, offline an online message sending etc is working but I can't see anyone online until I receive a message of that person. After that the user remains online until I close Licq...
21:14<scsss>vook: fuck, how do i sign in as root
21:14<vook>scsss: su -
21:15<jrolland-iBook>It's under /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem if someone asks in the future :)
21:16<scsss>vook: okay so there, its there
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21:18<scsss>vook: so its still giving me the unknown id, would you mind giving me the promt again
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21:20<scsss>vook: okay wireless tools is installed
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21:24<vook>scsss: sudo is the safest way to execute root level commands. If you need a root shell in the future, using 'sudo bash' is preferred over 'su -'
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21:24<scsss>vook: okay so i have wireless-tools installed now
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21:25<vook>scsss: you can use 'iwlist scanning' to get some info about networks within range.
21:26<scsss>vook: okay so i used that prompt and its saying command not found
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21:27<snogglethorpe>scsss: maybe try "sudo ..."
21:27<snogglethorpe>scsss: often those sorts of command s9Like iwlist) are in /sbin
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21:27<snogglethorpe>scsss: which isn't in the normal user path
21:27<snogglethorpe>(but are in root's path)
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21:28<scsss>snooglethorpe, vook: okay so i had a couple things pop up, all say interface doesn't support scanning
21:28<snogglethorpe>btw what's the state of wireless driver support these days?
21:29<clone>I am just gonna try and install via floppy intead of cd, and I think I can get through without keyboard input until usb keyboard drivers are installed, wish me luck, if not I am gonna look into serial networking, or some networking booting
21:29<vook>scsss: what kind of wireless is this?
21:29<vook>scsss: do you have the interface up, module loaded, etc...?
21:29<scsss>vook: not sure i'm following? what do you mean
21:29<scsss>vook: i'm not sure, i'm really new to this
21:29<vook>vook: ok
21:30<vook>scsss: ok
21:30<vook>scsss: what kind of computer do you have?
21:30<scsss>vook: i have the termal up, thats all so far, and its a hp presario v2000 with built in wireless "its a notebook"
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21:31<scsss>might be listed as a compaq presario
21:32<vook>scsss: type 'lspci' and look for anything pertaining to wireless.
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21:32<scsss>vook: lspci ?
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21:34<scsss>vook: realtek semiconductor co. as well as broadcom bcm4318 airforce one 54g 802.11g
21:34<scsss>vook: thanks for all your help by the way, its apprciated
21:36<snogglethorpe>scsss: hmm isn't the broadcom bcm4318 one of thsoe "evil" wireless chips?
21:36<vook>scsss: sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter
21:36<scsss>snogg: ahha i know its a chip, i unno if its evil haha
21:36<vook>snogglethorpe: yeah, it's /special/
21:37<snogglethorpe>scsss: I mean, which is intentionally obfuscated by the manufacturer to make it hard to write drivers for
21:37<scsss>vook: couldn't find packages
21:37<scsss>snogg: ohh okay
21:38<snogglethorpe>scsss: some google hits for "broadcom bcm4318" suggest that mayb eyou need to use ndiswrapper to use that chip (ndiswrapper lets you use a windows driver)
21:38<snogglethorpe>scsss: e.g.:
21:39<scsss>snogg: awesome thread thanks
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21:40<scsss>snogg, vook: okay so i'm trying to save bcm43xx to the black list and i got a file not found error
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21:42<snogglethorpe>scsss: meaning when you did the "gedit" command?
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21:43<scsss>snogg: yea, but i think i forgot to Download ndiswrapper from Synaptic
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21:45<scsss>snogglethrope: yea thats hwen i got the error
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21:45<snogglethorpe>scsss: so you don't have any existing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file?
21:46<snogglethorpe>(on my system it exists, and indeed has many entries)
21:46<scsss>snogglethrope yea, theres nothing in the blacklist
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21:46<snogglethorpe>scsss: do you have /etc/modprobe.d?
21:47<scsss>snogglethrope: like the blacklist comes up but there are no entries, and umm give me a sec
21:48<scsss>snogglethrope: no command not found
21:48<snogglethorpe>what commadn lien?
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21:48<scsss>i'm so confused right now haha, sudo /etc/moprobe.d
21:48<snogglethorpe>that's a directory not a command
21:48<snogglethorpe>just do "ls /etc/modprobe.d"
21:49<snogglethorpe>scsss: I think the modprobe.d stuff depends on how old your installation is too (the modules config framework has changed around a bit over time) -- e.g. dpkg says that /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is part of the "udev" package which might not be installed on a system which is very old (and hasn't been upgraded for a long time)
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21:50<scsss>okay so ls /etc/modprobe. gives me a large list of shit haha, and i jsut installed it today
21:50<snogglethorpe>scsss: so do you have the "udev" packge installed?
21:50<snogglethorpe>(do "dpkg -l udev" to see)
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21:51<snogglethorpe>(or look in your favorit package manager)
21:51<snogglethorpe>(or do ls /etc/udev )
21:51<scsss>snogglethorpe: i'm not to sure, i installed the full cd .iso, and k one sec
21:51<graytron>(hi snogglethorpe)
21:52<scsss>snogglethorpe, that command gave me a list
21:52<snogglethorpe>scsss: which command?
21:52<scsss>ls /etc/udev
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21:52<snogglethorpe>scsss: ok so udev is isntalled
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21:53<scsss>snogglethorpe: i would assume haha
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21:53<silensius>is there a easy desktop release for gnu partner debian
21:53<snogglethorpe>scsss: I _think_ the meaning of that "blacklist" file is to prevent udev from loading some drivers (my impression is that it normally eagerly loads stuff)
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21:53<snogglethorpe>scsss: i imagine that if the blacklist file doesn't exist, it's OK to just creat it with your new entry
21:54<snogglethorpe>scsss: oh, here's another thing
21:54<scsss>snogglethorpe: so thats what i did, with that cmd on the thread and it wouldn't let me save?
21:54<snogglethorpe>scsss: did you do it as root?
21:54<snogglethorpe>scsss: do: modprobe bcm43xx
21:54<scsss>um i think i did sudo
21:54<snogglethorpe>scsss: did you type the pathname correctly...?
21:55<snogglethorpe>scsss: (it shouldn't give that error on saving unless the directory doesn't exit, i think)
21:55<snogglethorpe>(though I never use gedit, so maybe it's just buggy)
21:56<scsss>snogglethorpe, okay so i brought up the blacklist now, and theres lots of entries
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21:58<scsss>snogglethorpe okay i think i'm getting somewhere now
21:59<scsss>snogglethorpe: okay so its in the blacklist now, but on this thread its telling me to download drivers ... but i don't know how i'm supposed to do that if the internet doesn't work
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22:00<snogglethorpe>scsss: well that's a rather fundamental problem with network driver I imagine :-)
22:01<snogglethorpe>scsss: since it's the _windows_ driver it wants, though, didn't you get some sort of disk or something with your hardware?
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22:02<scsss>snogglethorpe: thats the roblem i got this second hand used with no discs, could i jsut download the drivers to a jump drive and transfer them over, or will that just create problems
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22:04<snogglethorpe>scsss: that sounds like it should work
22:04<snogglethorpe>scsss: the drivers are just files, so should be no problem
22:04<scsss>snogglethorpe: alright give me a few and i'll see what happens
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22:08<bosco>i have a question i have an atherose wireless card i run the latest verson of ubuntu i can see the network when i scann but it wont let me connect
22:08<bosco>what do i do
22:08<SixT6>Find an ubuntu support chan
22:09<Odd_Bloke>bosco: Try #ubuntu on Freenode.
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22:09<bosco>Odd_Bloke, i am in there as well
22:09<snogglethorpe>(leaving to go make a birthday card)
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22:10<chrols>I've recently screwed up an XFS partition of mine, I'm pretty sure why it's screwed up. Though searching the net for a solution I've come up empty handed. While I have an inkling of what I could try and do I don't really want to make matters worse, if anyone would be willing to help me out I'd be grateful
22:10<scsss>snogglethorpe: well i can't find the drivers, so i'm dead in the water
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22:12<hax>how do i purge a package config files *after* i've removed it already?
22:12<panagos>what does a (P) mean in the end of a /proc/modules record?
22:13<panagos>what does a (P) mean in the end of a /proc/modules line?
22:14<lamby>hax: dpkg --purge <pkgname>
22:14<hax>lamby: ah, excellent, thank you
22:15<hax>also, is there a script to immediately rotate all the log files?
22:15<bosco>hax, huh
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22:15<Owner_>snogglethorpe: okay drivers are downloading, i'll let you know what happens
22:15<hax>bosco: you know, syslog and the like... periodically they rotate to .1, .2, etc
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22:16<hax>bosco: but when i finish configuring the whole system and put it live, i wanted to rotate them all, so i could keep track of where i'm starting from
22:16<bosco>hax ah
22:16<Hideo>hax: check out logrotate
22:17<hax>oh, so that's what it's doing
22:17<hax>i knew something had to be responsible :)
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22:22<snogglethorpe>scsss: dunno what to suggest if you can't find the drivers... they're obviously necessary to do anything
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22:23<lamby>panagos: It means you are evil and using a proprietary kernel module.
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22:25<panagos>shame that lsmod doesn't display that info...
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22:27<clone>how do i know what my floppy device is cause /dev/fd0 didn't work
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22:32<panagos>clone: you can check the kernel documentation for the major/minor numbers of all floppy devices and check whether you have one of those (assuming you use udev or the like)
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22:33<clone>panagos, well I did cat /etc/fstab, and my floppy shows as /dev/fd0 as standard, but when I run dd, it doesn't work
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22:34<panagos>maybe your floppy drive is problematic?
22:34<panagos>clone: ^^
22:34<clone>panagos, I guess I gotta mount /dev/fd0 first
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22:34<clone>panagos, thanks anyways though
22:34<panagos>clone: normally, dd'ing from/to the floppy drive doesn't need mounting, that's for file systems
22:35<lamby>panagos: re. lsmod / (P) - I filed a wishlist bug
22:35<panagos>lamby: thanks :D
22:36<clone>panagos, hmm, well, my floppy worked for formatting, why doesn't dd work
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22:36<panagos>clone: you mean dd with the floppy device as a file, or with a file inside the floppy?
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22:37<baloo>Argh... how do I add a widget to the taskbar in KDE4?
22:37<clone>panagos, not sure what you mean, but I copied the command staight from dd if=file of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync
22:38<clone>panagos, replacing file with the filename of course
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22:38<panagos>aha, thus you are in the first situation
22:39<clone>panagos, what do you mean?
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22:39<panagos>i was referring to my previous post
22:39<chrols>Anybody here familiar dealing with XFS systems?
22:39<panagos>clone: i suggest you try without the conv parameter
22:39<clone>panagos, you know what my Good Man, I didn't place a floppy in the drive, haha
22:40<clone>panagos, thanks though
22:40<dcx>hehe, that waws funny
22:40<panagos>oh well
22:41<lamby>panagos: #460484, if you want to subscribe.
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22:41<clone>panagos, nope still got same errors
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22:41<panagos>clone: try without the conv parameter
22:42<clone>same thing
22:42<panagos>maybe the floppy is copy-protected?
22:42<clone>panagos, actually, you know what, the boot.img didn't download properly
22:42<panagos>(the little switch on the floppy)
22:42<clone>it is 0 mb
22:42<dcx>(he was able to format it)
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22:42<panagos>.............................................................................. (speechless again)
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22:44<Hideo>I'm speechless that people still use floppy nowadays ;)
22:44<clone>panagos, ok, its working ahahhaha, but thanks for your support, you are a good companion for any journey that this world and all worlds can offer
22:44<panagos>Hideo: i had a professor once who wanted projects given in a floppy :P
22:45<Hideo>panagos: haha I had that happened
22:45<panagos>lamby: i haven't subscribed to a bug before, should i write something specific in the mail's body?
22:46<Hideo>panagos: currently I'm sad that my prof insists on using Excel for an engineering numerical method instead of matlab/octave
22:46<panagos>clone: you're welcome (and thanks for the compliment :o)
22:47<lamby>panagos: No, just send any mail to
22:47<clone>panagos, I built a few systems today without floppies, and I am gonna tell them, that I was busy copying floppies with my good friend panagos last week writing images to floppy
22:47<clone>panagos, where are you from
22:47<clone>panagos, I am from Toronto, Canada
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22:48<panagos>clone: greece :P
22:49<panagos>Hideo: well, i have a db class, and we use ms sql server
22:50<Hideo>have fun, =P
22:50<clone>OOOOOh, you are so lucky, I wish to live in Greece, so much good weather, beautiful woman, and delicous foods
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22:50<Hideo>s/woman/women/g haha
22:50<SeveredCross>Hello #debian. Can anyone help me with a little Evolution problem I'm having? Namely, I don't have any SSL/TLS options.
22:50<clone>panagos, I have cousing back in my home country in Pakistan, he hide in barrel and sneak into greece to work in restaurant, but then he get caught and they end him back
22:50<panagos>clone: well, the weather in my city is not that good :P
22:51<Owner_>sudo ndiswrapper -i /location_of_your_wireless_driver/bcmwl5.inf that cmd is giving me an error of command not found, can someone explain me?
22:51<clone>panagos, why what is weather like this time of year, well, at least you still have the tasty women, and sexy food, hahah backwards
22:52<SeveredCross>Owner_: I think regular sudo maintains your path--ndiswrapper might not be in your path.
22:52<panagos>clone: well, i meant the air pollution :D
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22:53<Owner_>severedcross: hmm okay .. well any suggestons? i'm stuck in the mud
22:53<Hideo>Owner_: you could always do it as root
22:53<SeveredCross>Owner_: Try su -c "ndiswrapper blah"
22:53<SeveredCross>That'll ask for the root password.
22:53<SeveredCross>Can anyone help me with my SSL problem?
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22:55<Owner_>serveredcross: thanks that worked, and i wish i could help but i don't know what ssl is
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22:57<clone>panagos, so if I come to greece you will pick me up from airport and make me find nice cheap and safe hotel, and I don't have to hide in barrel and be deport
22:58<panagos>clone: yeah, right :P
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22:59<clone>panagos, do you have email? mine is, write back to me if you feel like and tell me about yourself, and then I tell about myself,and maybe we be friends,a and I marry your sister or you marry someone here
22:59<clone>panagos, hahah, but seriously, if you feel like feel free to write but be honest because I won't lie anyway
23:01<Owner_>su -c ndiswapper -i /home/jake/desktop/wlan driver roadcom 802.1lg - that cmd is giving me invaild option, any sugestions!
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23:02<Owner_>su -c ndiswapper -i /home/jake/desktop/wlan driver roadcom 802.1lg - that cmd is giving me invaild option, any sugestions!
23:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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23:14<cherault>Hi all, bonjour
23:14<kingsley>vook: Are you there?
23:15<cherault>Is anyone has experience with Beryl / Compiz / and ATI drivers on Debian 4 ?
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23:16<cherault>On Debian, how can i check my grafic's config ?
23:17<cherault>Does it exist an command to see it ?
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23:19<cherault>see u next
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23:58<SeveredCross>I have a problem with package management on Debian Sid. For some reason, apt-get/aptitude/Synaptic think that the great majority of GNOME packages are not necessary and can be autoremoved. This is not the case, because I'm using GNOME right now, I kinda need it. Is there any fix for this, or any reason why it's behaving this way?
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