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00:11<panagos[away]>lamby: if one can't see the subscriptions to a bug, how are then subscriptions useful?
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00:55<DaCapn>who was asking once about failing sata drives after 100 shutdowns?
00:56<sheldonh>SeveredCross: start with one such package, look at its dependencies and find one that you know you need, then look at that package's dependencies and so on. you'll find that you've either removed or marked as automatically installed, one or more packages that many automatically installed packages depend on
00:56<SeveredCross>Thanks, but I already fixed it--I removed them all and then reinstalled what I needed. ^__^
00:57<SeveredCross>Oddly enough, that didn't pull in any extra packages or remove anything really.
00:57<SeveredCross>It was very strange.
00:57<sheldonh>SeveredCross: downloaded packages are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives
00:58<SeveredCross>Yep, I know.
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00:58<SeveredCross>I generally know my way around Debian systems, but that one just confused the crap out of me.
00:59<sheldonh>SeveredCross: does evolution support disconnected imap?
00:59<SeveredCross>What do you mean disconnected imap?
01:00<sheldonh>SeveredCross: the client caches full messages, not just headers, so you can interact with your mailbox while you're offline, and have changes sync'd across to the imap mailbox when you get online again
01:00<SeveredCross>Ah. Yeah, it does that as far as I know.
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01:00<SeveredCross>My problem was that it wouldn't do SSL.
01:00<sheldonh>saw that
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01:02<sheldonh>SeveredCross: you have openssl and ca-certificates packages installed?
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01:05<Supaplex>kingsley: there's likely no benifit, if alsa completed successfully. I misunderstood.
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01:12<posix>anyone know the best practice for installing an etch package on a lenny installation?
01:14<posix>aptitude -t <release>
01:14<posix>i guess..
01:15<mzhang>I installed debian etch using the dvd image, and grub-install during the installation failed. If I boot with a live usb and my target drive is /dev/sda, and sda1 is mounted as /boot and sda2 is mounted as /, what grub-install should I run?
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01:17<rjn>mzhang: # grub-install /dev/sda <- writes grub to MBR
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01:32<mzhang>dli: hi
01:32<mzhang>dli: I am having problems, grub installed, but struggling with parameters.
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01:33<dli>can you mount the /boot partition and install grub?
01:35<dli>mzhang, if you boot liveusb, and just mount /boot on sda2? sda1 is not relevant, since you couldn't chroot anyway
01:35<mzhang>dli: I got it working now.
01:36<mzhang>dli: yes I used the way you grub-installed the liveusb.
01:36<mzhang>dli: just that I probably had wrong device map, so I had to enter stuff manually, I can fix it don't worry, thanks.
01:36<dli>mzhang, yes, I saw grub-install failure from installation cd also
01:38<mzhang>dli, rootnoverify should point to the /boot partition, or the / partition?
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01:39<dli>mzhang, rootnoverify is used in menu.lst to load windows, it has nothing to do with installing grub itself
01:39<mzhang>so it should be root()?
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01:39<dli>mzhang, when you install grub from grub cli, use "root (hd0,0)" instead
01:40<dli>mzhang, verify the (hd#) by files on it, you can use "find /grub/stage1", or filename tab-completion
01:40<mzhang>dli, I am trying to boot from hdd now, I am pretty sure root (hd0,0) is right.
01:41<mzhang>dli, then supposed sda1 is /boot sda2 is /, what parameters to send to kernel?
01:41<mzhang>kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ?
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01:42<dli>mzhang, it's always (hd0) for booting, hd0 is the booting device, kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro
01:43<dli> root=/dev/sda2 is understood by kernel, so it's the same as after linux is up
01:43<dli>if you have initrd, don't forget it
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01:46<Nefro>sorry for my english and I just start use linux but I cant find sound drivers about 3 days use google and nothing, other drivers work perfect(bluetooth, wireless,..) can't find chipset on my sound card (Im use laptop)
01:49<dli>Nefro, lspci |grep -i audio
01:50<Nefro>thx :)
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01:58<mzhang>dli: everything works fine now. :)
02:00<Nefro>I need more cofe, I dont know what happen with my sound drivers (alsa) must work but... and on laptop red light on mute button
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02:07<mzhang>dli, I am compiling kernel, it seems that some initialization needed for gcc to work, like setting include paths?
02:08<dli>mzhang, apt-get install kernel-package
02:09<mzhang>dli, I downloaded straight from
02:09<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
02:09<mzhang>dli, errors on make menuconfig.
02:09<dli>mzhang, apt-get install libncurses5-dev
02:09<mzhang>dli, ok
02:11<mzhang>dli, ok now, where to put the -j10 parameter in compliation?
02:12<dli>mzhang, no, if you are using kernel-package
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02:13<mzhang>dli: so it;s a gentoo thing,..
02:13<dli>mzhang, after make menuconfig, do: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=10 make-kpkg kernel-image
02:14<dli>mzhang, if you use initrd, you need make-kpkg --initrd
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02:15<mzhang>dli, thanks!
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03:02<koolhead17>HennaX: hi
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03:04<HennaX>hey koolhead17
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03:05<koolhead17>HennaX: i got the channel thanx :P
03:05<HennaX>very nice!
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03:22<zepard>hi people
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03:25<zepard>is it possible that a debian mirror server has updated diffs and not the sync-ed yet deb files?
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03:33<zepard>can't update nor remove wifi-radar package, I have an error exit status 255, any idea wise people?
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03:42<sepski>zepard, dont know about any wise people, but a wise question would include the url to a paste site with the full output including the command you run to get that output.
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04:18<lobak>does anybody using conky here?
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04:19<yhlfh>hi, i got my kmail freezed when trying to send gpg signed messages. i use debian sid.
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04:25<hever>hello, is there a easy way to umount all mount --binds without restarting ?
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04:28<zepard>sepski, GoinEasy9 , thx i had the same error (ouput) but the solution on that thread didn't work. still the same output.
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04:29<sepski>hever, write a one liner ?grep the mount output for the bind mounts, and run umount on each mountpoint using xargs or some clutter like that.
04:30<hever>sepski: Oh I see, thanks!
04:32<zepard>sepski, GoinEasy9 , I did it, a little mistake in the script modification, thx
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04:44<KaiSVK>hi all
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04:58<panagos>is there a way to make aptitude display the sector a version belongs to (testing, unstable, etc) alongside the version? so that when e.g. i view the list of versions for a package (at the bottom of a package view), i can immediately also see the version's sector
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05:22<victor>how can i use one computer to access another via a wire, provided that the platforms are Windows and Debian respectively?
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05:24<cahoot>'a wire' != network?
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05:28<panagos>dd of=/dev/eth0
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05:31<KaiSVK>victor, remote desktop from debian to windoz
05:31<KaiSVK>victor, ssh or vnc from windoz to debian, if you want to control one computer from another
05:32<KaiSVK>victor, if you want to access files from one to another maybe easiest way would be anonymous ftp or samba/windows sharing
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05:42<victor>KaiSVK, I have bash, sh and tcsh, but not ssh or vnc.
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05:42<KaiSVK>victor, specify ...
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05:42<KaiSVK>victor, first things first :)
05:43<victor>panagos, dd seems to be a command line for copying files.
05:43<KaiSVK>victor, have you X on debian box ?
05:43<panagos>(people these days have no sense of humour...)
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05:44<victor>KaiSVK, I have gnome desktop, is that what you mean X?
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05:45<KaiSVK>victor, right, so Alt+F2 - rdesktop Ip.of.the.machine - ENTER :) and you are on you windows box :D
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05:46<victor>Should I check "open with terminal"?
05:47<victor>KaiSVK, how can I find the ip of the windows box?
05:47<KaiSVK>victor, fastest way - start -> cmd -> ipconfig /all
05:48<KaiSVK>victor, sorry start ->run->cmd->ipconfig /all
05:49<victor>KaiSVK, let me specify that only the windows pc is connected to internet while the other is not.
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05:50<KaiSVK>victor, but you are on the same network right ?
05:50<victor>KaiSVK, no. The Debian on is not on any network.
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05:51<KaiSVK>victor, if it's not on any network how con you connect to windoz box ? :D
05:51<victor>KaiSVK, that is why I want to use a wire to connect them. Kind of silly, hah?
05:51<t>anyone know of a .deb for recovering passworded rar files?
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05:52<KaiSVK>victor, soooo you would need cross-over cable
05:53<KaiSVK>victor, or you need some switch to connect these two together
05:53<KaiSVK>victor, that's first thing to do
05:53<KaiSVK>victor, second is to set IPs on both machines in the same IP array
05:53<victor>KaiSVK, what kind of switch?
05:53<t>hmm, actually, sounds like a nice project
05:53<KaiSVK>victor, basicly any switch :)
05:54<KaiSVK>victor, google for ethernet switch
05:54<gpm>t: unrar?
05:54<t>a cheap 10/100 from your local electrons store
05:54<SixT6>Or a hub, hubbety hub hub hubba
05:54<victor>KaiSVK, ok.
05:54<t>gpm does unrar recover passwords?
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05:55<t>victor, it looks like a small box, usually with 5 or so jacks in it that look like fat phone lines
05:55<gpm>t: oh i don't think so, i think you need to know the pass
05:55<t>i seem to have misplaced it
05:55<gpm>o/o, good luck and goo night
05:55<t>yeah :/
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05:55<t>project time!
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05:57<victor>t, thank you.
05:59<t>victor no problem
05:59<t>i might be able to help more if you can give me a diagram of your setup
06:00<t>i mean, just a switch isnt gonna do you much good unless you have a router running dhcp
06:00<t>at least i dont think it will, never did for me ;p
06:00<SixT6>If you set up your computers with static ips then it'll work just fine
06:01<t>lol oh yeah old skool
06:01<SixT6>Old skool?
06:01<t>is that odd?
06:01<SixT6>Yeah, in two ways
06:01<t>i mean, i believe it dates back to arpa
06:02<SixT6>1) It's spelled School, 2) Static ip is far better than using crappy dhcp servers
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06:02<t>you can setup statics via dhcp cant you?
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06:03<SixT6>I'm talking about dynamic dhcp
06:03<t>i understand
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06:04<t>$ cat /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf | tail -n 10
06:04<t>host titan {
06:04<t> hardware ethernet 00:50:8d:9d:13:2f;
06:04<t> fixed-address;
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06:06<t>but yeah, i have statics setup in my dhcpd confi
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06:11<t>does anyone here know Tom, he use to maintain amanda
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06:17<blarson>on arpanet it was HOSTS.TXT . /etc was a newcomer coming with unix.
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06:25<t>blarson ah, thanks for the info
06:26<t>i am still rather nubile
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06:32<blarson>t: so am I, I wasn't on the arpanet till after it switched to TCP (from ncp). That was needed since it looked like there would be more than 250 hosts on the network eventually.
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06:33<t>i have a piece from an original arpanet computer
06:33<t>a DEC PDP11 from stanford
06:33<t>a very prized possession :)
06:34<SixT6>I have an intel 8088
06:35<t>meh, i just have the sign that says Digital pdp11
06:35<t>but i suppose it is a piece of history
06:35<t>much as the 8088 ;)
06:35<t>ive been looking at learning asm, via the 8088
06:36<blarson>I was offered an IBM 370 at one point. I didn't have room. (or power or air conditioning) I may have been able to get a pdp10, but same problems.
06:36<t>minicomputers are !mini
06:37<blarson>The ones I'm talking about weren't mini. CPU was several 6' high racks.
06:38<blarson>minis are mini in comparison.
06:38<t>yeah i know
06:38<t>i have a rack
06:38<t>i just thought they were called minis back in the day
06:38<t>because it was _just_ a rack, as opposed to roomfull
06:39<blarson>pdp11 was a mini. I know of one that was in production till y2k finially got it replaced.
06:39<t>at least it was reliable
06:39<blarson>That was 3 racks for the system.
06:39<blarson>upgraded in 1978.
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06:40<blarson>more in maintanance to keep it running than replaceing it cost, but different budget lines. No money for new hardware :-(
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06:41<t>we still run a lot of DEC's, and we have a lone vms machine running an oracle db
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06:41<t>maintanence has to be more costly isnt it?
06:41<t>i mean, i hardly doubt a pdp could keep up with a core2
06:42<t>i mean i hardly believe hehe
06:42<t>tho i have no empiracle evidence
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06:43<mac>Hi to everyone!
06:43<t>hi :)
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06:44<t>blarson, so what kinda setup do you have? what languages do you like?
06:44<mac>Is there anybody who can give qualified help?
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06:45<mac>Yeah, but I hope))
06:45<t>that is a rather rude/ignorant way of asking for help
06:45<blarson>!tell mac about ask
06:45<t>dont you think?
06:46<sheldonh>mac: how would we know whether anyone here is qualified and interested in helping without a detailed problem description?
06:46<t>hehe innit
06:46<t>can you help me, my computer is broken ;p
06:47<sheldonh>mac: what answer were you expecting? i'd think both "yes" and "no" would be a surprise to you. put the effort in up front, rather than making lots of other people put effort into dragging a problem report out of you :)
06:47<blarson>t: which? my home systems all run debian, mostly sid. sparc ultra 60, pc-clones of various types, other suns currently powered off.
06:47<t>at home i guess
06:47<t>thats cool, ive been wanting to pick up a sparc for the hell of it
06:48<t>and yeah i run deb64 on most of my boxes, well except a win VM
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06:48<mac>My problem: I want to install debian 4.0 from SATA DVD-+RW drive
06:48<t>really, that is problematic?
06:49<mac>Really so
06:49<sheldonh>t: sure. sata drives haven't been out that long
06:49<t>not recognized? not bootable?
06:49<sheldonh>t: so generally, they're not recognized
06:49<t>sheldohn, ive yet to purchase one ;p
06:49<mac>Debian installer can not find appropriate driver for the drive
06:49<t>well minus in a lappy
06:49<sheldonh>mac: perhaps you can configure your bios to run the drive in pata mode?
06:49<t>mac, you can get sata to ide adapters
06:50<mac>Am I mad?
06:50<blarson>u60 and amd64 systems grinding away at tiles@home for . ibm z61m laptop main display/hacking machine. p3 main server.
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06:50<t>blarson, cool i have 2 core 2 duo's, a p4 and my server is a dual p3
06:50<t>ive actually run into the limit with the server :/
06:50<t>cant add anymore ram
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06:51<t>and for some reason my promise ATA card isnt recognized
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06:51<sheldonh>mac: if you can, run the drive in pata mode. or get an older drive (and controller). or try an experimental installer cd. or wait for the release of lenny
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06:51<t>or make an iso on a usbdisk
06:51<sheldonh>mac: duh, or what t suggests
06:51<mac>Usb... That is idea1
06:51*sheldonh goes shopping
06:51<t>or a usb cdrom
06:52<t>hmm coding
06:52<blarson>or you could try installing lenny.
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06:53<t>blarson so how long have you used deb? been tempted away ever?
06:53<blarson>bedtime for me.
06:53<mac>To install debian from flash usb drive I should write whole unpacked image of debian CD-installer and turn on the option in BIOS
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06:54<blarson>t: only 5 years or so. No.
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06:54<t>longer than me
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06:54<t>2 years here
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06:54<t>tho i wanted to for the last decade, was too afraid to take the leap due to lack of computers
06:54<blarson>I started with potato.
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06:55<t>i started when my friend Tom gave me an iso, and showed me Vi, and i was off ;p
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06:56<mac>Are here some pretty girls? :-D
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06:57<t>i really need to get out of this half assed perl programming, with the `` and the execs heh
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06:58<t>hmm, how does the bot work?
06:59<@Ganneff>by asking it the right things, which it knows about
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06:59<t>lol, wow, a suprisingly _obvious_ answer ;p
06:59<manes>today is sunday, he should have his free day today :D
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06:59<t>ive made it this far without a bot ;p
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07:00<t>speaking of that, i seem to have encountered broken packages, unless i nubed something up
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07:01<t>during an apt-get
07:01<t>Errors were encountered while processing:
07:01<t> cpad-kernel-source
07:01<t>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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07:01<t>and if i do m-a prepare
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07:02<t>Setting up cpad-kernel-source (0.10-5) ...
07:02<t>Building cpad module for Linux 2.6.22-3-amd64 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure):
07:02<t> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
07:02<t>it makes me sad :/
07:03<noble->is there a yahoo messenger for linux
07:03<t>yeah i think so
07:03<t>gaim naim something like that
07:03<lupine_>pidgin now
07:03<lupine_>also kopete
07:03<t>firefox -> iceweasel ;p
07:04<t>but yeah, and it seems emerald is broken too
07:04<Gekz>iceweasel -> bon echo
07:04<t>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
07:04<t> emerald: Depends: libemeraldengine0 but it is not going to be installed
07:04<t>E: Broken packages
07:04<t>if i chase it down, following the libs, eventually it gets to libwnck, which is uninstallable
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07:05*t oh noes
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07:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:12<azeem>t: emerald isn't packaged for Debian
07:12<t>well, not officially
07:12<t>do you think it is my source?
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07:13<azeem>t: it's not Debian's problem, anyway
07:13<t>well, i wasnt accusing debian
07:13<t>i was just seeking some relief
07:13<t>what about the cpan-kernel-source?
07:15<azeem>what about it?
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07:16<t>at the tail end of an apt-get for anything
07:16<t>Setting up cpad-kernel-source (0.10-5) ...
07:16<t>Building cpad module for Linux 2.6.22-3-amd64 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure):
07:16<t>i get this
07:16<t> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
07:16<t>Errors were encountered while processing:
07:16<t> cpad-kernel-source
07:16<t>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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07:17<t>and if i do an m-a prepare i get similar errors
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07:26<valdyn>t: build is included in the install of the source? why?
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07:27<valdyn>t: "aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
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07:31<azeem>looks like #451579
07:32<t>valdyn ok doing the aptitude
07:32<t>valdyn, i couldnt tell you why build is included
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07:33<Medieval>Alguém do Brasil na sala???????/
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07:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:37<t>Errors were encountered while processing:
07:37<t> cpad-kernel-source
07:37<t>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
07:37<t>A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
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07:37<azeem>t: well, remove that package, it's broken
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07:38<t>azeem, heh, sorry, still a nube here
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07:39<t>woot, thanks azeem
07:39<t>as good as new
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08:05<t>i got another one for ya valdyn if your around
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08:05<t>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
08:05<t> linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.18 but it is not installable
08:05<t>E: Broken packages
08:05<t>apt-get install build-essential
08:06<t>the install is about a week old, from testing, i moved to unstable
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08:07<t>and now it fails to build modules
08:07<t>Installation of the virtualbox-source source failed.
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08:10<cahoot>upgrade kernel?
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08:10<t>will try
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08:13<latenal>hello, how to improve quality and speed of a ppp-connection?
08:14<latenal>i mean, when i had windows, it worked better
08:14<t>then go back to windows ;p
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08:15<cahoot>the logs doesn't give any clues?
08:15<sepski>latenal, your modem connected at the higher rate when using windows ?
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08:15<t>sepski, he should be able to connect at the same rate shouldnt he?
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08:16<latenal>seski, i dunno) i guess i used v34
08:16<sepski>t i am just trying to drag details out of him, since he dont give any by himself
08:16<latenal>but i can't set it here
08:16<t>not unless he is running an inet facing ssh lol
08:16<t>but yeah
08:17<t>we have done so much with so little for so long, that we now attempt the impossible ;p
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08:18<t>reminded me of that quote hehe
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08:18<widowmaker>i get the ffg error....hda: drive not ready for command
08:18<widowmaker>hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
08:18<widowmaker>ide: failed opcode was: unknown
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08:19<t>its either too little info or too much heh
08:19<widowmaker_25>hi i get the ffg error.....hda: drive not ready for command
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08:19<war_>Anyone here use mutt? How come no new mail appears until I press a key within Mutt?
08:19<widowmaker_25>hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
08:19<widowmaker_25>ide: failed opcode was: unknown
08:19<t>dying drive, sounds like
08:20<t>i would get my data off of it
08:20<sepski>widowmaker_25, often a sign of a harddrive failing, you have backups
08:20<widowmaker_25>hda is my dvd burner
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08:20<t>are you sure?
08:20<t>df -h
08:20<t>what is the output?
08:20<widowmaker_25>sepski: when i googled it i also found that it could be cos of too many devices sharing the same IRQ
08:20<widowmaker_25>if it is this problem, how do i re-assign the IRQs?
08:21<sepski>widowmaker_25, it _can_ be anything, im just giving you statistics. that it's often a dying harddrive
08:21<noble->I just did apt-get install openssh-server, and partly through installing, it asked me to insert a CD rom with some file on it.. Any ideas why this would happen?
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08:21<t>anyone mess around with perlconsole? think it will be ok to install it on testing?
08:22<cahoot>cd still listed as repository?
08:22<t>noble-, yeah
08:22<t>remove or comment out the cd source
08:22<t>in /etc/apt/sources.list
08:22<dpalacio>widowmaker_25, reboot, remove any disk you have in the burner, let the system start, and then you should be able to use it again. It happens to me too
08:22<sepski>noble-, the admin of your machine did not sepecify the sources.list correctly
08:22<t>ouch, the admin of his machine ;p
08:22<widowmaker_25>dpalacio : i can use the drive no problem, its just that this thing is flooding my dmesg output
08:23<noble->hehe, yeah it's a buddy's box, I'll have to edit that
08:23<widowmaker_25>n i wana sort it out
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08:23<widowmaker_25>anyone know how to re-assign IRQs?
08:23<cahoot>you don't
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08:25<t>is it safe to install an unstable package (perlconsole) on an etch box?
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08:26<sheldonh>t: it's not the first thing to try. have you checked for a backport?
08:26<t>not yet
08:27*t looks now
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08:29<noble->my friend says there is no /etc/apt
08:30<t>of course there is
08:30<azeem>noble-: then it's not a Debian box
08:30<t>aptitude is built on apt
08:30<noble->I know
08:30<t>its under /etc/apt
08:30<noble->it makes no sense to me either
08:31<azeem>noble-: you know it's not a Debian box?
08:31<noble->he's been using apt-get all ngiht
08:31<noble->no, I know it is debian
08:31<Maulkin>noble-: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
08:31<sheldonh>azeem: it's easy for a debian box to have no /etc/apt. rm -r /etc/apt
08:31<azeem>noble-: then either your friend did not look right, or their box is broken
08:32<azeem>noble-: in any case, it does not make much sense to support this issue via a proxy
08:32<bremner>noble-: cat /etc/debian_version
08:32<t>i cant seem to find a perlconsole backport
08:32<t>tho i found backports
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08:33<sheldonh>!tell t about backports
08:33<azeem>t: then you could try to backport it yourself
08:33<Maulkin>noble-: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
08:33<azeem>!simple sid backport
08:33<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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08:34<noble->and a bunch more garbage
08:34<sheldonh>azeem: rather recommend backports; it includes a reference to backport caveat and refers to the reference
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08:34<azeem>noble-: you forgot the | tail -1
08:34<t>with pbuilder?
08:35<azeem>sheldonh: the reference?
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08:35<Maulkin>noble-: What's the last tine?
08:35<noble->one sec
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08:35<azeem>noble-: also, if you consider output we ask you to provide "garbage", this might be a short support session for you
08:36<noble-> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
08:36<sheldonh>azeem: the debian reference
08:37<azeem>noble-: ok, now pastebin the output the "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
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08:37<azeem>sheldonh: the debian reference explains how to do backports?
08:37<sheldonh>azeem: it provides useful background
08:38<sheldonh>azeem: in this case, he'll probably need a simple sid backport, i'm just suggesting a more complete way to assist in the general case
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08:40<t>poor dpkg hasnt heard of perlconsole
08:40<azeem>!info perlconsole
08:40<t>he is rather helpful with backports
08:40<dpkg>perlconsole: (small program that lets you evaluate Perl code interactively), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
08:40<t><-- nube
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08:41<azeem>if you ask for an unknown factoid (like, "perlconsole"), it won't answer
08:42<t>i think i will try inside a VM first
08:42<t>i dont want to hose my server
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08:47<noble->pasted, sorry for the wait
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08:48<t>noble-, pastebin?
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08:49<t>i find it to be a lot more seamless, using apache
08:50<azeem>noble-: you have to quote the URL here for us to look at
08:50<t>attention, mind readers present
08:50<noble->sorry, first time using paster
08:50<azeem>noble-: no problem
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08:51<azeem>noble-: ok, if you don't want to install the packges from CD, put a # in front of the line starting with "deb cdrom" and run "aptitude update" as root
08:53<t>here is mine
08:53<noble->does debian have a text editor packaged with it?
08:53<t>minus the deb-src
08:53<weasel>t: do
08:53<azeem>t: please try to make less fun of other channel participants
08:53<noble->which one will work for a noob?
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08:53<azeem>noble-: nano
08:53<t>my apologies
08:53<t>i am a noob too
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08:53<fxiny>what ?
08:54<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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08:54<t>dpkg has such character
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08:54<azeem>zobel: +v is not used on this channel
08:54<noble->he rocks
08:55<zobel>azeem: now it is :)
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08:55<t>noble, you need help with anything else?
08:55<t>oh and remember to apt-get update
08:55<azeem>zobel: you should discuss that with the other ops first I guess
08:55<t>and probably apt-get dist-upgrade
08:55<t>and take note that this came off an etch box not an sid
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08:56<t>so fire up vi and :%/s/etch/sid/ if you are running sid
08:56<noble->thanks t
08:56<t>your welcome, ive had my fair share of apt woes
08:56<t>but only on unstable ;)
08:57<noble->the problem here is
08:58<noble->he's trying to setup an ssh server so I can login remotely to help him
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08:58<noble->now that he has that line edited, openssh should install, right?
08:58<t>after updates
08:58<noble->I never had any problems like this with apt-get before
08:58<t>you may need to do more stuff, to be able to connect to him
08:58<noble->so I had to be the medium between him and you guys
08:58<t>like forward port 22
08:59<noble->I know there's a wealth of knowledge here, but he probably wouldn't even understand what you guys were saying
08:59<noble->like with the pastebin
08:59<t>if you install from CD ya always gotta nuke the cd lines
08:59<t>its a steep learning curve, but you only have to climb it once ;p
08:59<t>we all started at the bottom
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09:00<noble->he's doing great so far
09:00<noble->even printed out all the linux commands for reference
09:00<noble->I never did that, lol
09:00<noble->but I had books
09:00<t>it seems to me the more curious you are, and the less you limit yourself, the better and more entertaining learning is
09:00<t>noble-, i started keeping a notebook of important tricks ;)
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09:01<noble->aye, I kept txt files with pastes from this channel
09:01<noble->many times
09:02<noble->still have them too :), from years back
09:02<t>the more familiar you get, the better able you will be able to find what you need, w/o previous knowledge
09:02<noble->I had a hard time with "screen" when I was first starting
09:02<t>tho i still have a lot to go
09:02<HaMMiE>hi fxiny
09:02<noble->I wanted to move around in the shell more than I could figure out how to
09:02<t>hehe yeah
09:03<t>navigation is clumsy at first
09:03<t>eventually you will probably organize your data into a tree
09:03<t>i had to
09:03<t>with a ter and a half of data ;)
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09:03<AnyFile>I am trying to install debian on a pc with a already (bad) Windows Vista installed. When I try to install debian, it first start but it is not able to find any hard disk. I know that
09:03<t>do you code noble- ?
09:04<azeem>t, noble-: please consider taking your conversation to a private /query or a #debian-offtopic
09:04<t>have you tried fdisking the hdd AnyFile
09:04<t>sorry azeem
09:04<noble->no.. the most I've ever done is scripting, and editing files
09:04<widowmaker_25>anyfile : wat mobo? wat ver od debian?
09:04<noble->ok azeem
09:04*t is unfamiliar with the etiquette, but i willr espect it
09:04<AnyFile>there is an hidded partition on the hard disk. If I run fdisk -l it says that the partition table are invalid
09:04<widowmaker_25>what is a hidden partition?
09:05<azeem>t: this is a support channel, so non-support discussion should either be short, or taken elsewhere after a while
09:05<t>ok, my bad dude
09:05<AnyFile>version etch newest cd rom (Jan 2008)
09:05<t>i opened up a private with noble
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09:05<widowmaker_25>abyfile : mobo?
09:05<srv>hi, I immigrated to Ubuntu FOREVER
09:06<AnyFile>I do not know much about the hidden partition. I just know that on the hard disk there a is a part that store the file to restore the original software. I was not still be able to have a proper list of the actual partition
09:06<srv>the only windows app i wanted was regex buddy which i run using wine
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09:06<srv>i'm in love with debian
09:06<t>hehe, yeah its sweet
09:06<t>everyone tries to convert me to gentoo tho
09:06<widowmaker_25>anyfile : is it a laptop?
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09:07<AnyFile>No, it is a tower
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09:07<svs>My xterm is doing strange things, text is messed up, and suddenly traces of images and such from other applications may appear. Any suggestions ? I have screenshots if nessecary
09:07<t>svs, that has been happening to me too
09:08<widowmaker_25>anyfile : wat motherboard?
09:08<AnyFile>Is there a way to make a copy of the partiton table, so that it can be resore late in the *exact* same way it was?
09:08<svs>t, did it go away ? I bothered me for several weeks now
09:08<t>not yet
09:08<t>i just kinda ignore it, wing it and hope i didnt misttype ;)
09:09<t>i wouldve already gone back to Eterm, but no tabs :(
09:09<svs>hmm eterm
09:09<AnyFile>widowmaker_25: see
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09:09<t>yeah Eterm is pretty sweet
09:11<widowmaker_25>how are you doing fdisk if the pc doesnt recognise th ehdd?
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09:12<t>do you have something like hirens bootcd?
09:12<t>standalone troubleshooting progs?
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09:13<AnyFile>I was not able to do it under Win Vista (there is no more fdisk). When the installation was at the partion step, I opened a console with CTR_ALT-F3 (or something like that) and wrote fdisk -l /dev/hda
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09:13<t>you should be able to format with that
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09:14<AnyFile>the error message was different than if I try fdisk -l /dev/hdab, so I think that it can actually speak with the drive
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09:14<azeem>AnyFile: what does the installer say?
09:15<AnyFile>It said that it was not able to find an hard drive and it asked me to select a different driver for the hard disk
09:16<azeem>AnyFile: could be that the IDE controller is not supported by etch then
09:17<widowmaker_25>yeah i agree with azem
09:17<widowmaker_25>had same problem wen i tried to install
09:17<widowmaker_25>wait, are u trying to install to sata or ide?
09:17<widowmaker_25>most likely the sata chip is not supported (ide is ancient now)
09:18<azeem>I was using IDE in a general sense here
09:18<azeem>"the things which connects the harddrive"
09:19<AnyFile>I think it is a sata hard disk
09:20<AnyFile>I can not find the controller name from there. I have to reboot with the new pc. See you later. Thank you very much
09:20<widowmaker_25>do u have an external usb hdd?
09:21<AnyFile>no, I just have an usb pen (1GB)
09:21<t>that should be enough to put an iso on
09:21<widowmaker_25>i dont know if its possible but try installing etch to that, then copy it over
09:21<t>you can boot from usb right?
09:21<widowmaker_25>to th main hdd
09:22<widowmaker_25>t :etch cant c his hdd
09:22<t>my bad
09:22<widowmaker_25>so he needs to isntall to some other media and copy it on
09:22<widowmaker_25>or do a net install
09:22<azeem>the net install needs to extract the stuff it downloads somewhere as well
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09:23<AnyFile>see you later ...
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09:23<knoppix_>hello zorld
09:23<knoppix_>w qnd z qre bqckzqrds
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09:23<Guest3030>noz is the ti,e for qll good ,en
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09:32<hever>Hi, I think my whole filesystem is chmodded 755. Now the Problem is su won't work because setgid is not permitted. What file controls setgid ?
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09:33<weasel>setgid is a mode bit on a file.
09:33<weasel>if you chmoded them all to 755 you just destroyed it all
09:33<weasel>you might just as well reinstall
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09:34<hever>It can also be I just chmodded the libraries... Actually I'm on the system and logged in as root and normal user with running gnome
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09:36<hever>which package contains su ?
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09:38<clone>is there a way to edit the boot.img floppy, because I want it set to automatically start, and not wait for user to input enter
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09:40<Gekz>clone: mount -o loop boot.img /mnt/tmp
09:40<Gekz>edit the boot file
09:40<Gekz>then umount it
09:40<clone>Gekz, but the boot.img floppy I mean
09:41<Gekz>then mount the floppy
09:41<clone>Gekz, and then I want to use that floppy on fresh system
09:41<Gekz>edit the boot file.
09:41<Gekz>make the timeout 1 second for the default or whatever
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09:41<clone>Gekz, ok, thanks, I don't know why I didn't think of it. I thought it was a image file and didn't have anything to config
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09:42<Gekz>clone: inside the image should be a syslinux.cfg or isolinux.cfg
09:42<Gekz>thats the file you want to edit
09:42<Gekz>every bootable linux has a config
09:42<clone>Gekz, you friggin rule
09:42<clone>Gekz, thanks
09:42<Gekz>no worries.
09:43<clone>so timeout 0 in syslinux.cfg means never timeout then eh?
09:43<Gekz>yes afaik
09:44<Gekz>set it to 1 if you want it pretty much instant
09:44<clone>Gekz, ok thanks, I am off to test it
09:45<Gekz>good luck.
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10:01<Gekz>it's clone.
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10:02<clone>Gekz, it worked!
10:02<clone>Gekz, But I have a problem with scsi driver
10:02<Gekz>how so?
10:02<Gekz>is it a custom driver?
10:03<clone>well, during install it says no harddrives were detected, and then there was a list of driver, only four started with scsi, so I tried all of those but it didn't work
10:03<clone>maybe my harddrives are no good
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10:03<Gekz>maybe they use a driver not available on a floppy disk
10:03<Gekz>you could try a minimal cd
10:04<clone>Gekz, well, I am on the network so can't I download them, or should I copy the min cd back to harddrive, edit the syslinux.cfg and try it with that
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10:05<Gekz>sounds good.
10:05<Gekz>it'll be isolinux.cfg on that.
10:05<Gekz>it's the same config though.
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10:10<clone>go some blank cds I hope, how often do debian update the netinstall cd's, should I just download the latest
10:10<Gekz>I have about 20 minutes before I pass out
10:10<Gekz>it's 2.10am here.
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10:11<clone>G'night my friend
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10:13<clone>How do you copy image file from cd
10:14<SixT6>Make an image file from a cd?
10:14<SixT6>of a cd*
10:15<clone>SixT6, No, I burned the netinstall cd, I now I wanna copy it back to my harddrive, can I just do cp /media/cdrom/* .
10:16<Gekz>that wont copy the image
10:16<Gekz>it wont be bootable
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10:16<SixT6>Of course not
10:16<Gekz>clone: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=./netboot.img
10:16<SixT6>He didn't want to make an image
10:17<Gekz>yes he did.
10:17<SixT6>16:14 < SixT6> Make an image file from a cd?
10:17<SixT6>16:15 < clone> SixT6, No, I burned the netinstall cd, I now I wanna copy it back to my harddrive, can I just do cp /media/cdrom/* .
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10:17<clone>And then after I want to reburn it though
10:17<Gekz>clone: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=./netboot.img
10:17<clone>thanks Gekz
10:17<SixT6>If you want an image, use the command Gekz posted, else you can use cp
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10:17<Gekz>cp copies data
10:18<Gekz>dd copies cylinders :p
10:18<noble->if I use apt-get to install openssh-server, do I need to fire up the server after it's done, or is it running?
10:18<Gekz>should be running in theory
10:18<SixT6>You can start it from init.d
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10:19<noble->a friend is trying to set it up
10:19<noble->so I can connect
10:19<SixT6>If it isn't already running
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10:20<SixT6>Fire up a terminal and type /etc/init.d/ssh start
10:20<SixT6>As root
10:21<clone>Gekz, how do I edit the syslinux.cfg for the netboot.img, I have tar x, and tar it back?
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10:21<Gekz>clone: you dont untar an img :P
10:21<Gekz>mount -o loop ./netboot.img /mnt/mountpoint
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10:21<Gekz>edit the file
10:21<Gekz>unmount it, burn it
10:22<noble->thanks SixT6
10:22<clone>Gekz, holy smoke, thanks
10:23<Gekz>I read many manuals.
10:23<clone>Gekz, I would never have guessed that one
10:23<Gekz>many. many many.
10:23<Gekz>well, now you know.
10:23<Gekz>write it down. remember it.
10:23<clone>Gekz, I did
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10:28<clone>Gekz, I can't edit the netboot.img though
10:28<Gekz>why not?
10:29<clone>Gekz, I don't know
10:29<Gekz>did you mount it as root, and trying ot edit it as root?
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10:29<Gekz>that's unusual
10:29<Gekz>quite unusual
10:29<clone>Gekz, its write protected, make I have to do chmod
10:30<Gekz>if you mounted as root it doesnt matter
10:30<Gekz>try mounting with -o loop,rw
10:30<clone>Gekz, ok, yeah cause chmod didn't work either
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10:31<deconvolution>hello, i am setting up my nsswitch with my ldap server. I found when I use "files ldap" entry format in nsswitch and start slapd. It failed on every query with err: " :SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure". But if I only left "files" format in nsswitch and start slapd, it works perfectly. Anyone can give me a clue about this problem?
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10:32<SixT6> /name
10:32<SixT6>Hooray for space
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10:48<huelshoff>deconvolution: It seams that the SSL certificate for your LDAP Server/libnss-ldap isn't setup correctly.
10:49<huelshoff>Take a look into /var/log/syslog or so. Are there more errors?
10:49<deconvolution>ok, let me check
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10:52<huelshoff>you can test your ldap config with ldapsearch from the ldap-utils package
10:53<deconvolution>huelshoff, thanks for notice
10:53<huelshoff>did you find the eror?
10:54<deconvolution>huelshoff, the funny part is, if I remove ldap from nsswitch and start slapd. It can return the right results
10:54<deconvolution>also can serve other client's nsswitch request
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10:55<huelshoff>I'll take a look into my config.
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11:02<deconvolution>huelshoff, in my /var/log/auth.log, slapd returns error: nss_ldap: could not search ldap server - server is unavailable
11:02<deconvolution>sounds like when starting slapd, slapd queries libnss_ldap
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11:03<huelshoff>Are LDAP Directory Server and Client running on the same computer?
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11:04<deconvolution>i do have a client. If on server side remove "ldap" entry in nsswitch and runs slapd
11:04<deconvolution>the client side can do whatever
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11:05<deconvolution>but the problem is on the server side, where I only can use "files" without ldap in nsswitch
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11:08<deconvolution>huelshoff, by the way, which uid you use for your ldap server?
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11:10<huelshoff>"openldap" user and group, with uid=108 and gid=109
11:10<deconvolution>ok, ok, I think I found the problem
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11:11<deconvolution>for some reason
11:11<deconvolution>my slapd.conf is root.root
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11:21<BlackSunrise>cansomeone help me
11:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:21<BlackSunrise>!ask wine
11:22<BlackSunrise>i can't figure out how to install progs with wine
11:22<hollo>BlackSunrise, just run the binary installer file..
11:22<BlackSunrise>i'm trying to install .exe
11:22<BlackSunrise>with wine
11:22<BlackSunrise>so i can play diablo
11:23<hollo>as far as i know.. thats the right way..
11:23<BlackSunrise>run the waht and what?
11:23<BlackSunrise>baby sit me
11:23<hollo>wine setup.exe
11:23<BlackSunrise>wine works fine
11:23<BlackSunrise>can't figure out how to run a porog in wine though
11:23<hollo>wine diablo.exe tho
11:24<BlackSunrise>the cd is in my cddirve
11:24<hollo>if thats not correct.. then i dont know.. havent used it for a while.. just thought it was the right way
11:24<BlackSunrise>when i put the cd in
11:24<BlackSunrise>linux is like wtf
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11:25<hollo>linux shouldnt really care.. you should tell it to care
11:25<BlackSunrise>so when i have the cd in how the hell do i install it
11:25<BlackSunrise>do i open wine?
11:25<BlackSunrise>and when i open wine then what
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11:25<lupine_>cd /path/to/cd/drive
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11:25<Eisvogel>type wine and conf /media/cdrom
11:25<hollo>put the cd in... mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom && wine /media/cdrom/diablo_install.exe ?
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11:26<lupine_>wine <theinstallername.exe>
11:26<BlackSunrise>type wine where
11:26<lupine_>once it's installed, cd ~/.wine/drive_c/path/to/diablo/
11:26<lupine_>in a console
11:26<lupine_>the wine <thebinary.exe>
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11:28<BlackSunrise>this is like c++
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11:28<lupine_>no it isn't
11:28<lupine_>you don't have to compile it
11:28<BlackSunrise>yes it is.. it's a language
11:28<hollo>BlackSunrise, have you ever used the terminal
11:28<lupine_>if you don't like it, set up a MIME type associate for .exe files to run in wine
11:28<BlackSunrise>i told you i'm a nub
11:28<hollo>BlackSunrise, then start your therminal.. xterm.. eterm.. gnome-term...
11:28<lupine_>then you get all the fun of clicking around to find it
11:29<BlackSunrise>ubuntu is what i'm on
11:29<BlackSunrise>and i can't find any terminal
11:29<lupine_>then why are you in #debian ?
11:29<hever>Hi there, "lsof /lib/" tells me apache2 using this SOF. "ldd /usr/sbin/apache2" doesn't tell me that it needs How can I know that apache needs ?
11:29<BlackSunrise>i don't know what the hell the difference is
11:29<BlackSunrise>is there an ubuntu chan?
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11:30<hollo>BlackSunrise, ever used dos?
11:31<hollo>BlackSunrise, okay.. i dont know anything about any graphical file managers..
11:31<lupine_>usually you right-click the .exe and select "Open With..."
11:31<lupine_>then choose wine as the opener
11:32<lupine_>but it's generally pretty sucky
11:32<clone>how do you edit image files, cause I mount -o loop on it, and I can read it, but it is write protected
11:32<lupine_>clone: an image of a CD?
11:32<clone>lupine_, yep
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11:32<clone>lupine, but it is on my harddrive
11:32<lupine>you probably need to unpack then repack the .iso
11:32<clone>lupine, how do you do that?
11:33<lupine>well, extracting is easy - just mount & copy elsewhere. To repack, use mkisofs
11:33<lupine>well, genisoimage these days
11:33<clone>lupine, thanks
11:34<clone>lupine, but cp -r might not copy everything
11:34<jagerman>An iso is like a printed book, you can't edit it without reprinting the whole thing (or else crossing out some bits and adding appendices to see instead, but that's a bit unpleasant)
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11:36<clone>jagerman, but when I try to edit it, it says write protect, and when I try to chmod, it still says write protected
11:38<jagerman>clone: That's what I said, at least metaphorically.
11:38<clone>jagerman, ok\
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11:39<jagerman>clone: An iso is not editable; you need to copy out all the files, then recreate the whole thing. If it's bootable, you have to do some other messing around to get the bootable bit out
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11:40<clone>jagerman, I am trying to edit the netinstall cd, I copied it, now I am going to try genisoimage like lupine told me, but will it still be bootable?
11:40<clone>is there a floppy for scsi drivers?
11:41<jagerman>clone: What do you need to change on it?
11:41<clone>timeout 0 to 10
11:41<lupine>you need to specify -b
11:42<lupine>(to genisoimage)
11:42<clone>thanks lupine
11:42<jagerman>timeout for what?
11:42<lupine>man has more info on what you need to feed it
11:43*jagerman thinks the "stick a floppy disk image on the CD" is an incredibly disgusting mess for making a bootable CD
11:43<clone>in isolinux.cfg is says timeout 0, which specifies never timeout during installation is debian, but I want it to timeout cause I have usb keyboard and server without ps/2, and so need the installer to start and load the usb drivers so I can use my keyboard to install
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11:44<jagerman>clone: Have you tried changing your BIOS to support a USB keyboard? My keyboard is USB and I've never had a problem
11:44<clone>jagerman, I would love to but I need a keyboard to do that
11:44<jagerman>You can't get into the bios?
11:44<clone>jagerman, I think the bios has usb disable
11:45<clone>and I can get into it
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11:45<jagerman>If it's really disabled (as opposed to just not supporting USB keyboard emulation), linux isn't going to be able to pick it up, either.
11:46<clone>jagerman, you should give bad advice
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11:47<clone>jagerman, well, I guess it just not supported
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11:48<jagerman>clone: Have you tried booting from a livecd of some sort?
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11:49<clone>jagerman, well, I used the floppies, and I set timeout to 10, and so it went through installation and installed usb drivers and then my keyboard worked, but the problem is that the scsi drivers are not working for harddrive detection, so i want to change the timeout on the netinstall cd and try that
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11:50<clone>jagerman, have you ever run the genisoimage command? I am looking for an example, cause man pages never make sense to me
11:50<jagerman>clone: stick all your files to be on the CD into directory 'blah'
11:51<clone>jagerman, okk
11:51<jagerman>then: genisoimage OPTIONS -o my-netbook.iso blah
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11:52<jagerman>You'll need at least the '-b eltorito_boot_image' option
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11:53<jagerman>I haven't created one in a while, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details
11:54<clone>jagerman, thanks for your help
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11:54<clone>jagerman, so I bought a dual p3 2gig ibm xseries 300 server, think it will fast?
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11:54<jagerman>Sounds decent
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11:55<clone>jagerman, thanks, I hope so, I wanna run compiz on it, so I hope the dual chip will make it run well
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11:56<sheldonh>clone: compiz wants a hot graphics chip, not hot cpus
11:57<clone>sheldonh, Dual chips won't help?
11:57<jagerman>Actually, I've noticed compiz is quite a bit smoother when I upgraded to a dual core
11:57<jagerman>Particularly when the system is doing other things, and compiz would slow down.
11:57<sheldonh>clone: i'll be surprised if it makes much difference
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11:58<clone>sheldonh, oh
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11:59<giffengrabber>hi everyone. are there any other nice channels on oftc?
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12:00<jagerman>They are all secret! "We'll find you" sort of deal ;)
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12:00<giffengrabber>jagerman: i see
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12:01<jagerman>giffengrabber: I'm joking, of course. There are undoubtedly a couple channels like that, but various other useful ones, depending on what your interests/capabilities are
12:02<tzafrir>My X server occasionally segfaults. This is Etch, with an i810 driver.
12:02<giffengrabber>jagerman: i was looking for channels on general linux and general networking
12:02<tzafrir>I see no strange messages, and already tried playing with various xorg options
12:03<tzafrir>anyway, I'm trying to figure out how to get a core file from such a segfault
12:03<jagerman>giffengrabber: You'd probably be better off on freenode for that
12:03<giffengrabber>jagerman: i see. thx!
12:03<tzafrir>I run the x server from startx. I added the option -core to /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, and see it in the command line of the X server
12:04<tzafrir>But when I kill it with kill -11, it does not dump core
12:04<clone>tzafrir, maybe you should use xdm or gdm and it wont crash? is it true?
12:05<tzafrir>Maybe. Maybe not. I want to try to see now how to get useful info from the next crash. As there are a few days between those crashes
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12:06<clone>tzafrir, there is log file .log
12:06<tzafrir>No strange error in Xorg.0.log or in xsession-errors.log
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12:07<clone>tzafrir, hmmm, all know to tell you that it is important to use xdm or gdm or any one of those x managers
12:07<tzafrir>clone, any reference?
12:08<clone>tza google linux display manager
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12:08<tzafrir>clone, I know what a DM is
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12:09<clone>tzafrir, ok sorry
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12:10<tzafrir>anyway, before running startx, I set 'ulimit -c unlimited', but I figure that the X server (if it is suid. Or its suid wrapper) ignores my user's ulimit
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12:20<clone>I burned a disk with made an iso with genisoimage -o -b and then burned it with cdrecord, but it isn't bootable
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12:22<clone>how can I verify if an image is bootable, besides putting it in drive and trying to boot
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12:25<javier_>how about vmware
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12:27<jagerman>Or qemu
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12:29<lupine>clone: did you read the manpage?
12:29<lupine>you're meant to specify an argument after -b
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12:30<lupine>namely, the location of the boot image
12:30<clone>lupine, I did that, I burned it, and it would boot though
12:30<lupine>so what was the full line you used?
12:30<clone>mount -o -b loop ./netboot.img /mnt/mountpoint
12:31<clone>no sorry, wait let me check
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12:32<clone>genisoimage -o -b netinstall-timeout.iso netinstall-cd-extract/
12:33<lupine>right... so where's the boot image?
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12:34<clone>lupine, inside netinstall-cd-extract
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12:34<lupine>"Specifies the path and filename of the boot image to be used when making an El Torito bootable CD for x86 PCs."
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12:36<javier_>if umount -f doesn't work then what
12:36<javier_>what a pain
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12:37<deconvolution>huelshoff, after searching couple pages, it seems that I figured out the problem
12:37<lupine>javier_: lsof to work out what's using the filesystem; kill those processes
12:37<azeem>javier_: see whether there's a shell idling with that path
12:38<javier_>i used tcpdump on the network to figure out that it is looking for that machine
12:38<azeem>maybe you ran ssh to somewhere else (or some full-screen app) from there, and don't see the path anymore
12:39<javier_> tcpdump -vvv -i eth3
12:39<javier_>tcpdump: WARNING: eth3: no IPv4 address assigned
12:39<javier_>tcpdump: listening on eth3, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
12:39<javier_>12:38:42.438665 arp who-has tell
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12:39<javier_>no shells
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12:39<javier_>tried lsof
12:40<javier_>tried everything i could find online
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12:40<azeem>what does tcpdump have to do with shells?
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12:40<javier_>just that its a clue
12:40<javier_>the machine is looking for host .12
12:40<lupine>is this a remotely-mounted fs?
12:40<javier_>and that remote host at .12 is down
12:40<javier_>and hence can't unmount
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12:41<javier_>really don't want to have to bring machine down
12:41<javier_>its running bunch of VM
12:41<azeem>what kind of remote file system?
12:41<javier_>was a backup share
12:41<javier_>to dump vm backups too
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12:41<javier_>but there is no backup running etc
12:42<javier_>sucks that its mouted from the physical machine
12:43<lupine>hmm. Any reason why you /have/ to umount it?
12:43<javier_>to mount another remote fs at /mnt/backup for backups to be able to run
12:44<javier_>i guess i could just create temporary solution with sym links etc
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12:44<javier_>and fix on next scheduled boot
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12:44<lupine>can't you just mount over the top of it?
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12:45*lupine tests it out
12:45<lupine>yes, seems you can
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12:46<lupine>how does one unmount it then?
12:47<SixT6>umount /folder
12:48<lupine>ah, it does it recursively?
12:48<javier_>didn't try mounting over top ofit
12:49<javier_>reboot later on this afternoon i guess sunday is good time to
12:49<lupine>give it a go. It works here (although not with the base mountpoint as a CIFS share)
12:49<lupine>(as in, I haven't tried that)
12:50<javier_>i created a new temporary folder
12:50<javier_>and now mount hangs
12:51<javier_>just tested exact command on another machine and works
12:51<javier_>maybee mount and umount is just stuck on this system
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12:53<imperia>guys anybody using pnpbios=off option?
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12:55<user>hi lols
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12:55<Guest3044>u new in
12:55<imperia>when i using pnpbios=off i can access my floppy. but my machine crashes way too much.. anybody has the same problem?
12:56<SixT6>In this chan?
12:56<Guest3044>who has linux
12:56<SixT6>Probably everyone in here
12:56<Guest3044>oh ok
12:56<SixT6>The channel name being #debian is kind of a dead giveaway
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13:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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13:02<SixT6>Tarcas: He left
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13:03<Tarcas>Six^6: You want to take this one? :-P
13:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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13:04<SixT6>Tarcas: =P
13:04<SixT6>That's me
13:04<Tarcas>user_ can we help you?
13:04<user_>are you part of subeta
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13:05<user_>i need help
13:05<user_>i have just started talking on this
13:05<Tarcas>don't we all?
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13:05<SixT6>No, I'm part of a secret underground ms-fanclub. We're currently infiltrating all known linux chans, creating mass chaos
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13:06<Tarcas>MS fanclubs ARE mass chaos. I know you've tried using that junk. Who's actually a fan of those operating systems?
13:06<SixT6>Tarcas: Have you tried kmuto?
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13:06<SixT6>Tarcas: Gamers
13:06<Tarcas>never heard of it
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13:07<Tarcas>True. One of Microsoft's two (maybe three) advantages.
13:07<weasel>Tarcas, SixT6: please take your dialog elsewhere.
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13:07<user_>what mother fucker
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13:29<kasperl>Hey, I'm having some issues with CHMOD on a fresh install of DEbian Etch on a USB connected hard drive
13:29<kasperl>The drive on the machine itsself is kind of dead, so I'm using a USB HD instead. It has a 8 GB ext3 partition for /, and a 242GB VFAT partition that contains all the data
13:29<kasperl>Now, try as I might, I can't do CHMOD 777 on any of the folders in the 242GB partition
13:30<Gathond>you can't on vfat
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13:30<Gathond>vfat has no support for users or permissions
13:30<Gathond>you can set them with umask= dmask= UID= gid= options at mount time
13:30<Gathond>see man mount and search for VFAT
13:31<kasperl>Ok, thanks
13:31<Gathond>sorry, search for fat
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13:31<Gathond>then find the "mount options for fat" headline
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13:43<kasperl>So would something like defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=7777 work if written in the fstab line?
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13:43<Entheogen>guys can i somehow install kde4 from experimental while kde3 remains on system?
13:43<cahoot>kasperl: umask is inverted
13:43<kasperl>So I'd use 1111?
13:43<kasperl>Or 0000?
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13:44<tzafrir>hmm... I asked earlier about Xorg and core files: a bit tricker than I thought:
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13:44<Entheogen>kasperl, use umask=000
13:44<erich_>Hi @ all
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13:45<tzafrir>If the X server dumps core, it generally locks up the display in the process
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14:13<oompa-loompa>does debian 4.0 r1 supports atheros chipset out of the box?
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14:15<lupine>should do
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14:16<KaiSVK>hi all
14:16<lupine>and if not, it's a simple matter to get the driver intalled
14:17<oompa-loompa>yeah I know the think is that is for a laptop and I dont have a rj45 cable with so if it doesn't Im screwed :(
14:17<lupine>ho hum. remind me what the driver is again
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14:17<oompa-loompa>is an atheros chipset
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14:17<oompa-loompa>let me check the driver it self hold on
14:18<lupine>ah, madwifi
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14:18<oompa-loompa>is madwifi included?
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14:19<lupine>hmm. nope
14:19<lupine>you need the madwifi-source package too,
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14:20<lupine>in your position, I'd grab the Debian DVD set and burn them all
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14:20<oompa-loompa>hmmm I have the cd and the source on a USB drive
14:20<oompa-loompa>do I need anything else?
14:21<lupine>just your usual compilation stuff
14:21<oompa-loompa>is build-essential included on debian cd as a default?
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14:22<oompa-loompa>will I need anything besides what's in that package?
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14:23<lupine>I'm not sure about the CD
14:23<lupine>like I said, I'd get the DVD(s)
14:23<oompa-loompa>dont have dvd's nor dvd burner man Im so screwed
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14:23<lupine>well, if you can get the .iso files somewhere local, you can mount them -o loop
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14:24<oompa-loompa>yup dont have another computer
14:24<lupine>save them to your windows partition or something?
14:24<oompa-loompa>man Im toasted
14:24<oompa-loompa>dont use windows :'(
14:24<Hideo>usb flash drive?
14:24<dli>oompa-loompa, if you have usb, use liveUSB
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14:24<Hideo>what computer are you typing on now
14:24<VampirePenguin> hey anyone know about this error in apt-cacher...
14:24<VampirePenguin>[12:22:56] VampirePenguin | ive tried the us and nl mirrors and --purge remove and reinstalls a couple of times now
14:24<oompa-loompa>on the very same one Ill install debian to
14:24<ELITE_x>anyone using kde4?
14:25<lupine>mind you, it should be pointed out that ubuntu does support atheros out of the box
14:25<oompa-loompa>I know but ubuntu gutsy sucks
14:25<dutchy>debian is not ubuntu
14:25<lupine>you noticed? :)
14:25<oompa-loompa>Im actually moving back from gutsy to debian
14:25<oompa-loompa>I know
14:25<lupine>ELITE_x: I did a bit. Not much
14:25<ELITE_x>how to add something onto panel?
14:25<lupine>IMO plasma isn't ready yet
14:25<oompa-loompa>I'm a debian user who made the mistake of using ubuntu, and do not know what the debian disk include :'(
14:26<lupine>I don't think plasma supports it yet
14:26<oompa-loompa>let me check the packages page
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14:26<ELITE_x>atm just a black line
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14:27<ELITE_x>oompa-loompa download debian dvd 1
14:28<ELITE_x>or use netinstall
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14:29<oompa-loompa>I know but I dont have how to burn it nor where to put it :'(
14:30<ELITE_x>using linux ?
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14:30<fxiny>VampirePenguin: what's in your /usr/lib/cgi-bin ?
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14:31<VampirePenguin>let me look fxiny
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14:31<oompa-loompa>cant use net install since I dont have rj45 cables and it wont support my wireless card
14:32<Hideo>oompa-loompa: like I said, how about usb flash drive?
14:32<oompa-loompa>do you know if changing ubuntus sources.list to match debians will work?
14:32<oompa-loompa>dont have one, and If I had dont think a DVD is would fit there
14:32<ELITE_x>just download dvd1
14:32<VampirePenguin>kk which file fxiny
14:33<dutchy>oompa-loompa: no, that is likely to bork the system
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14:33<fxiny>VampirePenguin: cp /usr/share/apt-cacher/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin
14:33<oompa-loompa>damn WHY DID I USED UBUNTU!!!?
14:33<fxiny>VampirePenguin: check this : perl -Mstrict -wc /usr/share/apt-cacher/
14:33<Hideo>oompa-loompa: you only need the necessary packages to build the madwifi-modules
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14:33<oompa-loompa>I know
14:33<oompa-loompa>this is what I need to know
14:33<Hideo>or you can use a live cd to build it, then write it to a cd
14:34<Hideo>and install
14:34<oompa-loompa>does the Debian CD includes build-essential, if so? will I need anything else besides that to compile madwifi?
14:34<dutchy>Hideo: good idea, oompa-loompa try that.
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14:35<Hideo>oompa-loompa: Depends: module-assistant, debhelper (>= 5.0.37), bzip2 ; Suggests: kernel-package, madwifi-tools
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14:36<oompa-loompa>is that included on the cd???
14:36<Hideo>no clue
14:36<Hideo>you could always boot into the cd w/o installing and check
14:36<oompa-loompa>Im done burning debian
14:37<oompa-loompa>wish me luck
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14:37<Hideo>g/l or have fun in ubuntu haha
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14:37<VampirePenguin>kk i did cp fxiny and perl check file was okay but still the same err
14:37<ELITE_x>debian depends on user :P
14:38<oompa-loompa>ubuntu sucks no matter how much it tries to be like debian or how many users like cause its easy :(
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14:38<ELITE_x>ubuntu is great for kids
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14:38<ELITE_x>nice icons colors etc
14:38<dutchy>oompa-loompa: perhaps sidux is for you, that is Debian Sid 100%
14:38<oompa-loompa>will stick with good old debian
14:39<oompa-loompa>we have understood pretty well
14:39<weasel>dutchy: if sidux was 100% debian sid, then it would be debian sid.
14:39<weasel>right now it's something, but not debian.
14:39<oompa-loompa>listen to me I have seen the light Ubuntu sucks don't try it
14:39<dutchy>weasel: it is sid, but you can install it.
14:39<ELITE_x>oompa-loompa install fedora 8
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14:39<fxiny>VampirePenguin: right . now read instructions : less /usr/sbin/apt-cacher , edit and don't forget to restart apache : /etc/init.d/apache restart
14:40<oompa-loompa>ok got to go now
14:40<oompa-loompa>see ya
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14:40<ELITE_x>have fun
14:40<oompa-loompa>sure will
14:40<oompa-loompa>will connect as soon as I get this working
14:40<ELITE_x>with ubuntu?
14:40<VampirePenguin>well i dont have apache installed fx
14:41<fxiny>VampirePenguin: why ? yoy need it . logs are in /var/log/apt-cacher
14:41<VampirePenguin>im just tryin to set up a cache on a local machine
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14:42*KaiSVK is configuring scripts in SuSE crontab ... so horrible :/
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14:42<ELITE_x>salut ascii
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14:43<Hideo>oompa-loompa: isn't there a way to get those packages, mount the debian installation iso in windows, put them in there, and burn the new iso somehow, all in windows?
14:43<oompa-loompa>I dont use windows ...
14:43<Hideo>well what are you currently using?
14:44<oompa-loompa>I moving for Ubuntu back to debian
14:44<oompa-loompa>there is a way to do that though
14:44<oompa-loompa>but dont have much disk space
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14:46<fxiny>VampirePenguin: is a cgi so you need a web server
14:46<SeveredCross>Does anyone have any experience using Seahorse on Debian sid? I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to import my own key from a keyserver.
14:46<SeveredCross>I know the passphrase for the key, but I can't find any way to make Seahorse know that it is my key.
14:47<VampirePenguin>kk fxiny... :)
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14:49<fxiny>VampirePenguin: i don't have any problems using it . set allowed_hosts= or and try iceweasel at
14:49<fxiny>VampirePenguin: check logs for errors
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14:50<fxiny>VampirePenguin: s/apache/apache2 :)
14:52<fxiny>VampirePenguin: last edit your sources lists like : deb and so on
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14:52<fxiny>or watever 192.168 you like :)
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14:54<javier_>whats up with hosts.deny - you would think something simple like: ALL: would work
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14:55<fxiny>hosts.deny ? why not the lovely ALL: PARANOID ? :P
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15:02<imperia_>guys how do i read .help files?
15:02<ia64>would like to acquire new server for my company. a new intel dual core duo based server. would like to know is it supported by debian etch and which port of installer i need to use??
15:03<Hideo>imperia_: as in microsoft help files?
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15:03<imperia_>no .. in debian
15:03<imperia_> actually :)
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15:04<dpkg>Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check, and
15:04<Hideo>imperia: uh shouldn't it just be a normal text file
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15:04<fxiny>every irssi user knows bitchx is helpless :P
15:05<imperia>what :))
15:05<Hideo>imperia: type "file /path/to/"
15:05<imperia>will try
15:05<imperia>it some strange formatting... its not text file
15:05<Hideo>what is the output of the above command
15:06<fxiny>imperia: new to linux ?
15:06<imperia>not exactly... i have some experience.. got fedora fc8 and debian on my lappy
15:06<imperia>file says just "data"
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15:07<Hideo>maybe it's supposed to be opened in BitchX? *shrugs*
15:07<imperia>actually i was looking how to use multiple server in 1 bitchx client and multiple channels
15:07<imperia>nice idea :P
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15:07<imperia>i mean.. how can i open 2-3 server not in 3 different terminals
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15:08<ia64>Tarcas, i know what you mean on that hardware howtos. but i just would like to know this exactly this intel core 2 duo processor drop into which port of debian distribution..
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15:08<fxiny>i confess : i am bitchx ignorant . dunno if bitchx --help or man bitchx works . i just run irssi in a screen session ...
15:08<Hideo>fxiny: same
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15:09<fxiny>Hideo: :)))
15:09<imperia>man bitchx works but it just tells me the command line switches
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15:09<Hideo>imperia: /help connect or /help server
15:09<imperia>i didn't knew which one is good irc console client... i thought bitchx is nice.. should i change it
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15:10<Hideo>well irssi has a steep beginner's learning curve
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15:10<Hideo>so if you feel confident, go for it
15:10<fxiny>yeahhh join the cult
15:10<fxiny>Hideo: mine is chrooted ;)
15:10<imperia>sorry my english is not that good.. what this means? irssi is hardcore or ezmode?
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15:11<Hideo>fxiny: why? b/c of paranoinia?
15:11<fxiny>Hideo: fun ;)
15:12<Hideo>imperia: once you got irssi's settings to the way *you* like, it's easy
15:12<fxiny>Hideo: and i connect to lame mess-enger via bitlbee which is buzzing in a vserver : GREAT fun ;)
15:13<Hideo>I rarely use bitlbee anymore, slowly I'm gravitating toward all irc
15:13<imperia>i like the programs with most features and extras... so if that's bitchx i will stick with it.
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15:14<fxiny>oh that is just to play with a vserver
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15:15<imperia>btw any of you guys have any experience with bluetooth networks?
15:15<imperia>hey thanks thats nice
15:15<ia64>tarcas, and yes.. do noted that, don't simply redirect peoples to some place you may know working "LAST TIME" that acting so pro to direct people to that site..
15:16<ia64>tarcas, for your information, the site that you point out up there, all 3 of them was DEAD
15:16<fxiny> to use irssi you must pass the mirror test : is for beautiful people :P
15:17<x03>mirror test?
15:17<imperia>hehe.... PASSED
15:17<x03>whats that?
15:17<defi0n>irssi is easy? wth
15:17<defi0n>./join #channel
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15:17<imperia>how do u switch between channels?
15:17<x03>irssi is the best :P
15:18<defi0n>its either tab or
15:18<x03>escape nr
15:18<imperia>ok thx
15:18<x03>or ctrl-n
15:18<Hideo>between channels, not servers ;)
15:19<defi0n>i was thinking about BitchX
15:19<imperia>its ctrl-x is for bitchx thanks
15:19<defi0n>to switch between channels on irssi
15:19<defi0n>its alt-#
15:19<petemc>alt - 1 to 0
15:19<defi0n>yuh ;)
15:19<x03>or escape
15:19<petemc>or q - p for windows 120 to 20
15:19<imperia>Windows 1 is not hidden
15:19<petemc>whatever meta is set to
15:19<imperia>and No such window: 2
15:19<petemc>erm , s/120/11/
15:20<defi0n>mIRC/xChat ftw
15:20<imperia>for console? :)
15:21<imperia>this laptop got only 64 ram
15:21<imperia>its a PAIN
15:21<ia64>Tarcas, after a !hardware from you no more other words from you???
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15:21<defi0n>sucks how irssi/BitchX doesn't have a nice userlist
15:21<defi0n>only when you join
15:21<defi0n>or use the lusers command but that sucks
15:21<imperia>ye.. thats right
15:21<Tarcas>is64, you never responded. The Core 2 is definitely supported. The big question is your chipset.
15:21<Hideo>ia64: wow calm down, maybe he was checking to see what the bots has?
15:21<petemc> /names
15:22<defi0n>yeah, ./names
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15:22<Hideo>ia64: he has no obligation to help you, don't act like you are entitled to help
15:22<marlin>can some one tell me how i can install gdm theme to gnome???
15:23<ia64>Hideo: not say is an entitlement for help..
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15:23<hachi>can anyone help me find dbus.h in debian? I'm trying to use apt-file to find it but it's not working... it's such a common thing that I can't believe it's missing
15:23<Tarcas>ia64, do you know what motherboard/chipset you'll be using?
15:23<pc>esse chat é em ingles?
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15:23<ia64>Hideo: i just can't stand people who come in, ask some question mannerly, but what the response they get was just some ! command
15:23<marlin>can some one tell me how i can install gdm theme to gnome???
15:24<pc>tem algum brasilero que jogue dota?
15:24<Hideo>hachi: do "apt-file update" first, then "apt-file search blah"
15:24<petemc>hachi: apt-file update , or /msg dpkg find dbus.h
15:24<defi0n>pc: ci ;)
15:24<Hideo>petemc: beat you to it :P
15:24<ia64>Hideo: if the ! command is true, i still can accept.. but i check and found out is outdated.. that what really pissed me off....
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15:24<hachi>Hideo: did that several minutes ago
15:24<Hideo>ia64: I don't see how it's Tarcas's fault that the sites are dead
15:25<ia64>Tarcas: i still dont know.. still checking the debian website and googleing before actually go and acquire one
15:25<Tarcas>sorry about that ia64. I've been working on other things in addition.
15:25<marlin>can some one tell me how i can install gdm theme to gnome???
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15:25<Hideo>ia64: and he did not come off as condescending
15:25<marlin>can some one tell me how i can install gdm theme to gnome???
15:25<ia64>Tarcas: still doing the research on that..
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15:26<ia64>but is that core 2 duo processor drop into 64-bit architecture in debian??
15:26<Tarcas>ia64, I just built a new machine with an Intel 965 chipset and it seems to be quite mature. I used the Etch installer and other than having to use the "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" command instead of the default, everything seems great. SixT6 was having some problems with an Intel P35 chipset, which is much newer and not fully supported yet.
15:27<hachi>according to dpkg the file should be in libdbus-1-dev
15:27<hachi>but libdbus-1-dev is empty of anything but docs
15:27<imperia>tried locate dbus.h?
15:27<inxistant>Hello all. Is there anyway to tell the OS to write a specific value in /sys/class/acpi_video0/ during the boot?
15:27<defi0n>marlin: there are lots of sites for that
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15:27<defi0n>with tutorials
15:27<Tarcas>ia64, mine's not a core 2 duo, it's a Celeron 420, but it's still built on the Core2 architecture. Used the amd_64 arch.
15:28<marlin>defion: well can you please tell me them
15:28*defi0n throws a caveman rock at Tarcas's computer
15:28<ia64>Tarcas, that's mean i can use the same amd64 ports for it?
15:28<defi0n>nah i only run debian through command line so i wouldn't know
15:28<Hideo>hachi: "less /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdbus-1-dev.list"
15:28<Tarcas>ia64, absolutely. i386 would technically work, but... what a waste! ;-)
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15:29<Tarcas>***defi0n, jealous much? It's basically a Core2 duo, minus the second core (and at 100 million transistors rather than the 280 million of the duo, it uses about half the power)
15:29<marlin>defion: ok well thanks anyway
15:29<defi0n>tarcas = nerd :/
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15:30<Tarcas>defi0n: notice your company. You ARE in a Linux help chatroom. I'm pretty sure just about everyone here is a nerd.
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15:30<defi0n>marlin you should try #debian on EFNet or Freenode
15:30<ia64>Tarcas, i see... that's mean amd64 ports in for the machine if i do acquire it?? cool..
15:31<defi0n>nope, defi0n = kewl
15:31<ia64>but if i did use i386 for it, if anything happen, it is still be ok?
15:31<defi0n>nah i am a geek though :P
15:31<SeveredCross>ia64: You can use i386, but like Tarcas said, it's a waste.
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15:31<SeveredCross>Okay, time to test if Hibernate works on sid.
15:32<SeveredCross>I just moved to Debian from Ubuntu and nearly jumped for joy when I found that the radeonhd driver was available and suspend to RAM worked.
15:32<Tarcas>ia64, i386 will work, but it uses 32 bits. The 64-bit architecture will be wasted. You'll run a little slower. You may or may not notice a difference, but why not squeeze every last drop of power from that processor since it's a free upgrade?
15:33<imperia>"little slower" :)
15:33<fxiny>SeveredCross: almost ? were you standing on a balcony ? :P
15:33<defi0n>OFTC should have a hostmask feature
15:33<defi0n>people prolly get hacked all the time!
15:34<Hideo>defi0n: you could always use tor :P
15:34<ia64>Tarcus, i know what you mean. because i'm on the process of acquiring it. i need to make sure if it's back compatible, cause if anything do happen that my machine can't run on amd64 port, i still can jump back to i386..
15:34<ia64>Tarcus, i definately agree with you, if it can run, sure i have to sqeeze that power out
15:34<defi0n>Hideo: man, i'm sure those "voluntary" servers on tor are so insecure and stuff lol
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15:34<ia64>Tarcus, but if it cannot, then i still have a backup.. :)
15:34<Tarcas>ia64, got it. Yes, you can use the 32-bit port with no problems. I didn't try, but the architecture was designed to natively run the 32-bit code.
15:35<defi0n>all you have to do is click like one button and ur computer will become an open proxy
15:35<Hideo>defi0n: tor + ssl oftc
15:35<mzhang>alsa problem: alsaconf and alsamixer worked, but not volume control and/or xmms.
15:35<Hideo>I love now that oftc provides authentication w/ certs
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15:35<mzhang>dmesg|tail shows
15:35<mzhang>hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC882, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
15:35<defi0n>yeah that scrambles the packets
15:35<ia64>Tarcus, but i do come into some page stated that IA64 not for this processor right??
15:36<vook>when I ran my amd64 in 64-bit environment, I found that the majority of the time I spent on the computer, I was actually running 32-bit code anyway.
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15:36<vook>it's been a while though - I had to run a 32 bit version of firefox in order to be able to have flash.
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15:37<ia64>vook, same thing with my workstation at my office. running 64-bit vista, but still run all "old" program, which is build into 32-bit..
15:37<Tarcas>vook: that doesn't surprise me. Since it can run natively, there are probably a lot of packages that are taken directly from i386 and maybe or maybe not even recompiled.
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15:38<vook>in the end I just gave in and built a 32 bit environment. Until 4gb sodimms become available...
15:38<defi0n>is this true: Ubuntu is an exact dupelicate of Debian, but instead with an X-window system?
15:39<defi0n>oh :/
15:39<nielsle>I just installed debian sid on my new inspiron 6400, but my sound isn't working. Accoring to lspci I have a 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01), but when I write alsamixer get the error message "snd_ctl_open".. I have loaded the following modules "snd,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer". I have installed a module named "ac", but no "ac97..
15:39<nielsle>" nor "via... I tried running alsaconf. It didn't conplain, but I still didn't get any sound out of it.
15:39<inxistant>I'm having a serious problem with adjusting the brightness of my screen: Toshiba Satellite A210. Tried the Omnibook module. Tried the toshlcd module. Tried fnfx (don't work! Phoenix BIOS). Nothing will do. The only correct value for brightness is in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brighness ; can't echo any value there. Any ideas?
15:39<ia64>vook, if not mistaken i gone through a arcticles stated that in order to make full use of 64-bits processor, you need to acquire all the program (packages) you use that compliled into 64-bits architechture
15:39<Tarcas>vook: Was there any problem with the 64-bit environment? Or you just decided to shy away from it since you weren't generally using it
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15:40<vook>Tarcas: the primary advantage to 64-bit code is that it can address memory above 4gb's
15:40<defi0n>inxistant: chmod 0777 /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brighness
15:40<Tarcas>ia64: FYI, I have not tested sound or direct rendering.
15:40<vook>Tarcas: beyond that 64bit is virtually useless
15:40<ia64>vook, and the processing speed of certain program also
15:41<inxistant>defi0n: Did that. When I try to write in this file, Bash hard-freeze...
15:41<Tarcas>Thanks, vook. Good to know. It also runs 64-bit instructions, but the benefit there will be minimal I'm sure. Like I told ia64, it may or may not be noticable. I'd love to run some benchmarks, but it's not worth the days I'd spend doing it.
15:41<defi0n>inxistant try chmod 0777 /bin/bash
15:41<inxistant>defi0n: I'm telling you... I try everithing...
15:41<defi0n>that's strange
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15:42<vook>ia64 - but the processing speed increase really only comes from the fact the the software was compiled for the arch, not that the arch capabilities are fully exploited.
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15:42<vook>unless you have more than 4gb of ram, you don't need a 64-bit processor.
15:43<defi0n>is that even possible
15:43<inxistant>defi0n: I even edited the /etc/rc.local file to force a value at boot. This doesn't do anything. The value remains 100.
15:43<ia64>vook, i'm certainly agree with that either.. but the server i'm acquiring now may be will use about 6 or 8 G of RAM
15:43<ia64>to run a real big database... :/
15:43<defi0n>inxistant i dunno, try reformatting
15:44<defi0n>possible with a different version
15:44<Hideo>inxistant: I had problems kin of similar to that on my thinkpad, what I did was unloading all the unnecessary modules, and reload them 1 by 1, see which one works, which one doesn't
15:44<ia64>Tarcus, but is that packages out there in the market now are build on 64-bit arch, i don't know.. :/
15:44<vook>yeah - my laptop will probably never see more than 4gb of ram, sadly.
15:44<Hideo>inxistant: what kernel version btw
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15:45<defi0n>do they make RAM with more than 1 gig per chip
15:45<vook>I've seen 2gb sodimms
15:45<ia64>vook, who know.. may be one day ram manufacturer anoounce single ram of 8GB
15:45<defi0n>pff, in like 15-20 years i bet
15:46<imperia>i bet in 2-3 years
15:46<inxistant>Anyone there?
15:46<blarson>Doubles every 18 months-2 years
15:46<defi0n>wow, technology moving that fast?
15:46<vook>by that time, I'd be a fool to invest in it though (when I could get a new laptop for only a few hundred bucks more than the chip)
15:46<dli>ia64, it's always so, 20 years ago, people were talking 256KB chips
15:46<Hideo>inxistant: ^ what I said above ^
15:46<ia64>won't take that long ba.... now single ram has climbed up to 4GB if not mistaken
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15:46<imperia>ye i remember my 8086 with 256kb ram and basic
15:46<defi0n>dli: yeah the time ratios are too different now-a-days
15:46<mzhang>dli: there?
15:47<dli>mzhang, yes
15:47<mzhang>dli: got problems with intel HDA (audio), it worked before, but now suddenly stopped working, what procedures should I follow to debug?
15:47*defi0n looks
15:47<mzhang>dli: actually alsaconf and alsamixer look fine.
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15:48<mzhang>dli: dmesg|tail shows: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC882, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
15:48<dli>!alsa checklist
15:48<dpkg>well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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15:48<ia64>Tarcus, yes.. that's what i mean.. A-data.. the first manufacturer out there i saw single ram on 4GB
15:48<ia64>to double that, i don't think need 20 years that long... :/
15:49<vook>wow - I now see a 4gb sodimm (must've popped up within the last few weeks - cheap too)
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15:49<Tarcas>ia64: This is 2x 2 GB sticks, not really 4 GB in one stick. And certainly not 4 GB chips. But that doesn't mean they don't offer them.
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15:50<Tarcas>vook, they're practically giving memory away nowadays. $25/GB from what I've been seeing. Sure beats 5 years ago!
15:50<mzhang>dli: 4) arts or esound stopped? howto?
15:50<ia64>Tarcus, i know what you mean... means... soon.. soon enough, i think there will be 2 x 4GB in the market.. if a single ram of 4GB is available
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15:51<inxistant>Need help: Brightness of my screen Toshiba Satellite A210 w. Phoenix Bios... Tried pretty much everything to adjust it (modules, chmod, echo etc) any ideas? The only place where it is correctly written is in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness. Even changing permission + echoing hard-freeze bash.
15:51<dli>mzhang, sounds like a kernel issue
15:51<inxistant>Hard freeze = kill -9 PID.
15:51<dli>mzhang, 2.6.23 now?
15:51<mzhang>dli: oh that's sad... yes
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15:51<ia64>Tarcus, i still remember the day, 5 years ago, when i bought my first 128MB ram... it's cost around USD50
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15:52<dli>mzhang, let's try newest alsa
15:52<mzhang>dli, download and compile?
15:52<mzhang>dli, fact is it worked before.
15:53<imperia>do u still have your old kernel?
15:53<dli>mzhang, with debian kernel?
15:53<snogglethorpe>geez it's kind of scary to think, but my first RAM purchase was 1 KB (2 chips)
15:53<mzhang>dli, downloaded from
15:54<Tarcas>snogglethorpe, what was that in?
15:54<mzhang>dli, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp worked.
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15:54<snogglethorpe>Tarcas: RCA "COSMAC VIP" 1802 board
15:54<dli>mzhang, did you follow the alsa checklist then?
15:54<ia64>snogglethorpe, when is that?? 20years ago? :P
15:54<dli>mzhang, cat /proc/asound/cards
15:54<Tarcas>longer ago than 20 years. I'm guessing almost 30.
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15:54<snogglethorpe>ia64: more than 20 ...
15:54<mzhang>dli, HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
15:54<mzhang> HDA Intel at 0xfa100000 irq 22
15:54<dli>mzhang, do you have ssh up? let me ssh root log in
15:54<snogglethorpe>1982 I think
15:55<inxistant>Need help: Brightness of my screen Toshiba Satellite A210 w. Phoenix Bios... Tried pretty much everything to adjust it (modules, chmod, echo etc) any ideas? The only place where it is correctly written is in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness. Even changing permission + echoing hard-freeze bash = need to kill -9...
15:55<ia64>snogglethorpe, OMG... when i was 3 years old!!!!! geeezzzzzzzzzzz
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15:55<mzhang>firewall has problems feeding in connections right now.
15:55<Tarcas>1982 IBM released the 8088. I think ours had 128k of RAM, which is why I am surprised it's so recent.
15:55<mzhang>dli, firewall has problems feeding in connections right now, don't think ssh in would work, I am at home.
15:55<Tarcas>Of course, I could be mistaken.
15:55<snogglethorpe>ia64: and you weren't soldering in RAM chips?!
15:56<snogglethorpe>Tarcas: yeah but buying an IBM cost $$$$
15:56<mzhang>!alsa checklist
15:56<dpkg>methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
15:56<ia64>snogglethorpe, OMG.. couldnt imagine that. cause i don't even know what is computer that time.. :)
15:57<ia64>when i bought my first computer, it was 80386 already
15:57<Tarcas>$3000. Best computer on the market at the time. And the best desktops have run the same price ever since.
15:57<snogglethorpe>Tarcas: not to mention the MS software (you think _windows_ is bad...)
15:57<Tarcas>I cut my teeth on DOS 2.0
15:58<snogglethorpe>Tarcas: it is to ick
15:58<Tarcas>Got good with 5 and 6
15:58<ia64>yeah.. that time was 6.22 in the market.. :?
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15:59<ia64>i think it's 13 years back in 95..
15:59<Tarcas>6.22 was out when I was in HS. Probably about 96 or so, maybe a couple years earlier.
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15:59<Tarcas>Couldn't have been '96. Windows 95 came out dec 95, so 6.22 must have been out a few years earlier.
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16:00<ia64>Tarcas, yeah...
16:00<ia64>still remember the freakness that time using 6.22 and windows 3.1
16:00<mzhang>dli, I re-logged in, the problem solved, though I am not sure how, any way, I also have problems with cpufreq, did it work on your 64-bit system?
16:00<inxistant>Need help: Brightness of my screen Toshiba Satellite A210 w. Phoenix Bios... Tried pretty much everything to adjust it (modules, chmod, echo etc) any ideas? The only place where it is correctly written is in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness. Even changing permission + echoing hard-freeze bash = need to kill -9...
16:01<dli>mzhang, yes
16:01<dli>mzhang, did you enable support in kernel?
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16:01<mzhang>dli, I believe so, I compiled them as modules.
16:02<Tarcas>mzhang, did you load them?
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16:02<ia64>inxistent, you use xwindows??
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16:02<ia64>or you mean the brigtness was dark when you in console screen too??
16:03<dli>mzhang lsmod
16:03<mzhang>dli: modprobe acpi-cpufreq FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/ No such device
16:03<inxistant>ia64: ? xorg.conf + Xmonad.
16:04<inxistant>Sorry... Xorg + Xmonad. :)
16:05<ia64>inxistant, something i really scared when using notebook that doesn't support linux driver.. some of the notebook even cannot use the function key
16:05<inxistant>ia64: I mean that it is always set at 100 brightness... Man, I need sunglasses to work.
16:05<inxistant>ia64: Indeed, not function key.
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16:05<inxistant>ia64: I'm trying to find a work-around...
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16:06<ia64>inxistant, even your bios setting won't work??
16:06<inxistant>ia64: No bios setting for that!
16:07<inxistant>ia64: The *only* way is to go in windoze change it and reboot.
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16:07<tsawolf>I've got an invalid signing key error.
16:07-!-altoid [] has joined #debian
16:07<tsawolf>Signaturte made from DSA key ID 6070D3A1.
16:07<ia64>inxistant, is that work after that?
16:07<inxistant>ia64: Which is a pretty shitty way as a work around...
16:07<tsawolf>What's the md5sum of the media supposed to be? Businesscard testing... perhaps the drive is shot.
16:07<inxistant>ia64: OK, I'll give you what I tried... If you have any ideas...
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16:09<inxistant>ia64: Toshlcd does not work. Omnibook does not work. Toshiba modules do not work. The *only* place where it is correctly written when I go back and forth to windoze is in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_scree0/actual_brightness but even if I chmod the file to echo a new value in, Bash hard freeze...
16:10<inxistant>ia64: nope.
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16:10<inxistant>ia64: Need to su and kill -9 bash and nothing is changed.
16:10<inxistant>ia64: Plain kill does not change anything...
16:11<inxistant>ia64: Sorry, plain kill does not kill the task.
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16:11<inxistant>ia64: Note that in the BIOS, I can't change the brightness even with the hotkeys... I really need to boot in windoze.
16:12<dli>mzhang, try cpufreq-info
16:12<ia64>inxistant, then really sorry.. cause i not much experience in notebook that using hotkeys for everything..
16:12<tsawolf>No, md5sum checks out.
16:13<mzhang>dli, thanks, I did look at google, seems it might be a kernel problem.
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16:13<inxistant>ia64: oops... Error above: I meant /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness
16:14<SeveredCross>I have a small problem with Hibernate on Debian sid. I added 3 GB of swap space (2 GB of RAM) in order to test whether hibernate works. When I hibernate, it appears that hibernate is actually writing things out to the swap space. However, when starting the computer back up, I don't get any resuming from hibernation, instead I get a straight boot as if nothing happened.
16:14<SeveredCross>I also have this message in dmesg: Unable to find swap-space signature
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16:15<SeveredCross>Is there a kernel parameter I have to pass?
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16:15<SeveredCross>Ah, looks like there is.
16:16*SeveredCross tries it again.
16:16<ia64>inxistant, but have u try on nvidia driver?
16:16<Tarcas>SeveredCross, there would have to be. Especially if memory contents are written to swap on shutdown. Swap is initialized on boot as I recall.
16:16<Tarcas>Ah, cool.
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16:20<ia64>woot... go check the toshiba website just now, only get to know that inxistant notebook was running on ATI chipset.. :P
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16:22<inXistant>ia64: Tried to edit my rc.local. Failed.
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16:24<ia64>inxistant, you come through any driver that used by your graphic card? yours was ATI right??
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16:25<inXistant>ia64: Yes. I tried both the prop driver and the free driver. Don't make a change except that with the free, I can't get the right resolution for my pseudo-wide screen. So I sticked with the prop.
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16:26<ia64>is there any configuration files for your prop driver??
16:26<ia64>may be.. cause i really haven't gone through mess like this before... :)
16:26<inXistant>:-) Me nether....
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16:27<inXistant>ia64: I think I got a part of the problem.
16:27<[Shadow]>I would like to know if anyone has an idea on how to virtualise Mac OS X throught VirtualBox..
16:28<inXistant>ia64: I'm on ATI's website. It seems that there is no drivers for my card under linux.
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16:28<inXistant>Perhaps the generic prop is shitting something around.
16:28<ia64>inxistant, i was checking on that also... :)
16:28<inXistant>It is an integrated Xpress X1200
16:29<inXistant>The closest is X1250.
16:29<inXistant>Might try this?
16:29<inXistant>Should I?
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16:30<ia64>inxistent, i think the worsed thing you should do was just try.. no harm anyway.. :)
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16:35<hate29>Hi, is there a way to deny access to certain pages, like for instance And how to do that?
16:36<Hideo>/etc/hosts or iptables
16:36<hate29>Ok, thanks
16:36<lupine>or a transparant proxy
16:36<Tarcas>firewall might be your best bet. DNS poisoning works, but there are workarounds so it's far from foolproof.
16:37<ia64>or use firewall... you can block traffic of whatever you want.. :)
16:38<ia64>i still remembered my university last time block irc, icq and msn out of the networks.. :)
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16:39<Tarcas>ia64, that's simple port blocking. Layer 3 firewall. Easy stuff.
16:39<tsawolf>Anyone know why the install is hanging on 70%, Configuring w3m?
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16:39<twb>I'm on Sid; I make standard modules like aufs using modass. Can I configure modass to automatically recompile all installed modules whenever I upgrade my kernel?
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16:41<hotgloupi>hi all
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16:42<ia64>Tarcus, i know.. but all students still manage to fool it by setting up a proxy server at home, to redirect everything to the certain port... then connect to the home proxy to msn... :)
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16:42<JB_>hello out there
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16:43<JB_>i am trying to install xserver-xorg on my new system and it wont load
16:43<JB_>or start rather
16:43<Hideo>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:44<JB_>I have... and cant seem to find an answer to my problems when i try to research it... its suppose to be a common problem.. but cant seem to find a solution
16:44<ia64>can i ask a question.. among gnome, kde and xorg... which is prefered?? and why??
16:44<tsawolf>Anyone know what I can try when the installer is hanging on 70%, Configuring w3m?
16:45<snogglethorpe>JB_: er, well, what does Xorg.0.log say??
16:45<snogglethorpe>JB_: usually there's a clear error somewhere (line begining with "EE")
16:45<Hideo>JB_: paste your xorg log on a paste site, otherwise, all we know is that it won't load
16:45<Hideo>ain't helpful
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16:46<JB_>sorry... iwould have done that defacto.. but its on my other machine and its booting... one sec plz
16:46<Hideo>ia64: fluxbox
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16:46<Hideo>lightweight, very customizable
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16:47<ia64>Hideo, the appearance?? is it nice??
16:47<hotgloupi>Hideo: OpenBox is customizable too?
16:47<Hideo>it's subjective, but to me it looks good
16:47<Hideo>there are many themes out there
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16:47<Hideo>you can make your own too
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16:47<Hideo>hotgloupi: I think so, isn't it similar to fluxbox or fluxbox based?
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16:48<ia64>Hideo, one more question, can i have more than 1 xwindows in my machine?? if yes, how to start the one at the mean time??
16:48<hotgloupi>I really don't know, actually, I just try to know which one can be best for my use ;)
16:48<edward_>whats' that multi mount iso program named? frost???
16:49<Hideo>ia64: you can, but I've never looked into it :P
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16:49<JB_>well... the problem seems to have changed... as i thought it was a mouse problem and did dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg (selected vesa driver) and told it to use a differnt mouse... but still doing the same thing... it seems like it starts and the screen goes blank and the system is locked
16:49<JB_>the error isnt in the log files anymore
16:49<twb>ia64: you're asking a highly subjective question.
16:50<Hideo>JB_: no WW or EE whatsoever?
16:50<tsawolf>Hrn. I'm not really sure what to do.
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16:50<twb>ia64: everyone has their favourite desktop environment or window manager.
16:50<tsawolf>Can anyone point me in the right direction?
16:50<JB_>Hideo: looking... brb
16:50<twb>tsawolf: are you using the Etch d-i or the Lenny d-i?
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16:51<tsawolf>Lenny, business.
16:51<ia64>twb, i just want to know if i install more than one xwindows in my machine, what's the command i have to use, if i want to choose to start the particular one?
16:51<twb>tsawolf: I always use stable and then upgrade after the install finished.
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16:51<twb>ia64: I was answering your earlier question.
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16:51<tsawolf>twb: So, I should just hard shutdown this machine, go stable, then go to lenny?
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16:51<twb>ia64: you cannot run `xwindows' because it does not exist.
16:51<twb>tsawolf: that's what I'd do
16:51<Edwardxss>whats' the command to install multiple Iso mounts using frostiso.. or ehever its' called?
16:52<tsawolf>Okie. That sucks, but fair enough.
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16:52<JB_>ok... the first ww i run accros are : (ww) nvidia(0) no modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select: will be used to requested mode
16:52<twb>tsawolf: fsvo sucks = reliable :-)
16:52<ia64>iwb, i see... but let's say i have fluxbox and kde installed.. i still can use the startx command??
16:52<twb>ia64: startx flubxbox -- : 1
16:52<twb>ia64: sorry, startx flubxbox -- :1
16:52<DaCapn>anyone know how I can get all files written by a user to a network file server to require certain filesystem permissions and group ownership? like whenever someone uploads a file it's 770, and owned by group samba?
16:52<twb>ia64: sorry, startx fluxbox -- :1
16:53<JB_>Hideo: ok the second is : Nvidia(0): Option "AddARGBV: is not used
16:53<twb>DaCapn: to start with, you could tell them to "fix their fucken' umask"
16:53<JB_>Hideo: and thats all she wrote
16:53<twb>DaCapn: then, after they ignore me... uh, you... for two years, you kill them and make it look like an accident
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16:54<Hideo>anyone w/ nvidia experience can help JB_ ? =)
16:54<JB_>Hideo: I was gettign some errors with fonts, but they are no longer there.. i can only assume it had something to do with no mouse detection
16:55<JB_>Hideo: do you think its a nvidia driver issue possibly:?
16:55<JB_>Hideo: even though i am using vesa?
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16:55<DaCapn>can you set the group with umask though?
16:55<Hideo>JB_: I've no idea "(
16:55<JB_>Hideo: thanks though :)
16:56<twb>DaCapn: nope, the default group is static and set by the admin
16:56<Edwardxss>whats a goof program for mounting image files .iso ,df .nrg
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16:57<DaCapn>which is just a property of the user account right twb? Like user1's default group is user1 but I could change that to samba, only thing is, ALL files written by user1 are of the group samba?
16:57<jae_>Is there a working replacement for logrotate? It's driving me up the wall (take a look at its cluster of Important bugs)
16:57<JB_>Can anyone help me with a Xserver-xorg problem... starts, but then there is a blank screen and the system wont respond
16:58<twb>DaCapn: all files that are created outside of a sticky directory, by that user, will be grouped as their default group.
16:58<twb>DaCapn: a common strategy is to put all users in users/students/staff as the default group
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16:58<ia64>DaCapn, you use virtual users??
16:59<noble->trying to apt-get install ymessenger and I'm getting a weird error, can anyone help?
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16:59<twb>noble-: is it an animal, mineral, or vegetable?
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16:59<noble->gremlin I think
17:00<ia64>inxistant, is that work??
17:01<lupine>it's no longer in the achive
17:01<lupine>probably just as well
17:01<lupine>use pidgin or kopete instead
17:01<noble->thanks lupine
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17:02<ia64>kopete is cool... :)
17:02<JB_>Can someone help me with an xserver-xorg prob... using nvidia
17:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:03<noble->and kopete is compatible with yahoo
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17:03<ia64>noble-, yeah, it's compatible with most of the chat clients out there.. :)
17:04<noble->thanks a lot :)
17:04<twb>Is kopete supposed to look like a misspelled word, like all other KDE apps?
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17:04<snogglethorpe>twb: maybe the author just had a seizure when typing the name for the first time
17:04<ia64>twb, yeah.. most of the OSS sound like that
17:05<lupine>ah, it's a fine name
17:05<bremner>copete =~ s/c/k/
17:05<snogglethorpe>(on IRC) "And my new program is called @#$* AARRRGHHALKJ '#$@#$ koopete@#$@#$"
17:06<twb>grep -c copete /usr/share/dict/british-english ==> 0
17:06<tsawolf>twb: Trying that. :)
17:06<ia64>lupine, but kopete sound like something dirty in my country.. :)
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17:06<bremner>so, the tyranny of english only applies on #debian
17:06<snogglethorpe>bremner: "tyranny"?
17:07<bremner>wikepedia whoring:
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17:09<oompa-loompa>I finally after lots of hustle got my laptop running with debian
17:09<JB_>dpkg : Im not that familar with chroot, but would being in a chroot enviro complicate my problem?
17:09<bremner>snogglethorpe: sorry, did you think there was a serious point there to disagree with? I thought we were just messing about
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17:10<Supaplex>now there's an idea. use foxytunes to control music on another pc. humm
17:11<Hideo>JB_: dpkg is a bot :P
17:11<bremner>JB_: you are trying to run xorg from within a chroot?
17:11<oompa-loompa>I got a hold of an orinoco card that's how Im online
17:11<oompa-loompa>according to module-assistant madwifi is installed already
17:11<JB_>bremner : no it would be alot easier to work on it if it doesnt fuck thing up
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17:11<ia64>guys.. is there any particular packages that i need to install to get my machine log-in from another machine??
17:12<oompa-loompa>but I cant see my wireless card
17:12<oompa-loompa>any idea on where to look?
17:12<JB_>dpkg: lol
17:12<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:13<ia64>good bot....
17:13<snogglethorpe>but bwahahaha makes you look like a twit...
17:13<lupine>oompa-loompa: if it's not in 'ifconfig -a' then you need to load the kernel module
17:13<JB_>dpkg : How do you feel?
17:13<lupine>modprobe ath_pci (or whatever it is these days)
17:13<oompa-loompa>you know the name
17:13<oompa-loompa>ok Ill try that module
17:13<ia64>guys.. any idea?? is that any particular packages that i need to instal??
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17:15<ia64>that i can log in into my machine, let's say on telnet terminal on my windoze machine??
17:15<bremner>!tell ia64 about openssh
17:16<oompa-loompa>its there yay!
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17:16<snogglethorpe>ia64: how about telnetd package?
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17:16<twb>"lol doesn't sounds like laughter at all"... unlike haha, jeje, keke &c?
17:16<bremner>telnet is a security nightmare
17:17<bremner>but heh, other than that its great
17:17<snogglethorpe>twb: my favorite is "kkkkkkkk"
17:17<snogglethorpe>twb: used by koreans
17:17<snogglethorpe>twb: confused the heck out of me before I figured out what it meant...
17:17<twb>Splashing water in korean is something like "dong-pang dong-pang dong-pang"
17:18<ia64>bremner, what security holes is that??
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17:18<bremner>password sniffing
17:18<snogglethorpe>bremner: sure, but frankly, in many contexts I don't care... being able to telnet in from a random co-worker's machine is worth it
17:19<ia64>bremner, u mean packet sniffing?
17:19<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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17:19<ia64>bremner, you mean packet sniffing?
17:19<bremner>Yeah, but isn't openssh just as easy? Plus it has cool things like paswordless login
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17:19<snogglethorpe>bremner: the problem is you need keys etc on the machine you're coming from
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17:20<twb>snogglethorpe: so carry a usb key with them on or something
17:20<bremner>ia64: both. password sniffing via packet sniffing
17:20<twb>You can of course use key-less ssh
17:20<bremner>snogglethorpe: ssh with passwords encrypts the passwords
17:20<bremner>what twb said
17:20<snogglethorpe>twb: ... and requires ssh be installed
17:21<snogglethorpe>twb: at work, I just treat every system as completely open
17:21<bremner>snogglethorpe: this is debian, it is not harder to install ssh than telnet
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17:21<snogglethorpe>bremner: yeah but most people at work use windows... :-O
17:21<twb>snogglethorpe: so put PuTTY on the key too
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17:22<ia64>bremner, if i use openssh, is there any way i can login from telnet??
17:22<bremner>snogglethorpe: your coworkers Windows machines are probably all controlled by a north korean botnet and say kkkkkk to you
17:22<twb>ia64: no.
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17:23<bremner>ia64: you need a different client. But putty, which was mentioned is decent and free
17:23<tsawolf>twb: Running dist-upgrade
17:23<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
17:23<tsawolf>twb: Done and done. ;)
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17:23<tsawolf>I read the topic, don'tchaknow.
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17:23<twb>bremner: IMO, putty means that it's less painful to use Windows than OS X
17:24<ia64>twb, i see.. that's mean i need to make sure my other machines has putty, then i can login to my machine if i got openssh installed??
17:24<twb>bremner: because all I ever use either for is a glass tty connecting to the "mainframe" that is my whitebox
17:24<twb>ia64: yes.
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17:25<bremner>twb: dang, I had a vt420 that was sweet, you would have liked it
17:25<bremner>twb: needed some terminal server box to get onto the inter-tubes though
17:25<twb>bremner: huh?
17:26<tsawolf>twb: I assume just ignore the massive buglist warning.
17:26<twb>tsawolf: I know nothing of this.
17:26<bremner>twb: vt420=dumb terminal = all you use Windows/MacOS for
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17:26<tsawolf>twb: Did you install apt-listbugs, like it told you to? :P
17:26<twb>bremner: I don't understand the "need" for terminal server
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17:26<twb>tsawolf: well, no
17:26<oompa-loompa>debian works on my laptop
17:27<tsawolf>Hehe. Then nevermind.
17:27<twb>It's too annoying
17:27<bremner>twb: oh, vt420 is serial. rs422 has distance limits...
17:27<twb>bremner: oooh, *that*
17:27*bremner yells "get off my lawn you punks"
17:27<twb>bremner: I thought you were talking about MS TS, and saying that I needed a gui for interblags and pootube
17:28<twb>To which I would have responded "w3m & mplayer -vo caca http://stupid/thing"
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17:28<mzhang>Anybody gets cpufreq working on Q6600 with 2.6.23-amd64 kernel?
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17:33<Edwardxss>how do i make this file visable to the everyone?
17:33<Edwardxss>i mean folder
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17:34<dpalacio>ln -s /home/edward/.cxoffice /home/edward/cxoffice
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17:36<hax>yeah, it wants to upgrade postgres and stuff too
17:36<hax>err, wrong window
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17:36<tsawolf>How are starttups controlled in debian? rc-update in Gentoo...
17:37<hax>although i might as well ask here... how can i add a sources list that only applies to certain packages? so when i apt-get upgrade, i don't end up with a bunch of upgrades from the non-stable source?
17:37<twb>tsawolf: update-rc.d
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17:37<twb>tsawolf: rcconf for a GUI wrapper
17:37<Edwardxss>Failed to execute child process "/home/edward/cxoffice/win2000/drive_c/Program" (No such file or directory)Failed to execute child process "/home/edward/cxoffice/win2000/drive_c/Program" (No such file or directory) :(
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17:38<Edwardxss>why does that happen?
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17:38<tsawolf>twb: And to view current?
17:38<twb>Edwardxss: inadequate quoting.
17:38<twb>tsawolf: to view current what?
17:38<hax>twb: was that at me?
17:38<dpalacio>edward:there's a space in the path
17:38<twb>hax: no.
17:38<tsawolf>twb: What is started in runlevel x.
17:38<twb>tsawolf: ls /etc/rcx.d
17:39<twb>tsawolf: I'm assuming you're using sysvinit, since you speak of runlevels.
17:39<tsawolf>Yes, the default, which is sysv.
17:39<bremner>hax: /etc/apt/preferences can be used to do what you want
17:40<bremner>hax: google for that and "apt pinning"
17:40<bremner>hax: or man apt_preferences
17:41<mzhang>can't load acpi_cpufreq: modprobe acpi_cpufreq
17:41<mzhang>FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/ No such device
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17:42<hax>bremner: oh, that explains everything, ty
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17:42<bremner>hax: no prob. good luck.
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17:50<hax>bremner: hrm, , this is my /etc/apt/preferences, just like the docs say... but it still wants to upgrade tzdata from etch/volatile... what's up with that?
17:51<bremner>hax: dependencies?
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17:52<hax>bremner: <-- none
17:53<mbrush>hi all
17:53<jrolland-iMac>I'm having a problem with apache2
17:53<twb>jrolland-iMac: that's nice
17:53<hax>bremner: <-- this also, with -s
17:53<jrolland-iMac>It won't bring up the "It Works!" page when i just go with http://localhost
17:54<twb>jrolland-iMac: is the process running?
17:54<jrolland-iMac>yes everything else works fine
17:55<mbrush>etc/init.d/apache2 restart
17:55<jrolland-iMac>http://localhost/~myusername/index loads
17:55<jrolland-iMac>mbrush: did that many times
17:55<mbrush>hehehe, should've waited till your next message
17:55<twb>I heard that apache2's init.d script doesn't do a real restart
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17:55<twb>You have to stop then start to get a full restart
17:55<jrolland-iMac>I have stopped and started it
17:56<mbrush>ya, but it usually provides some useful output when troubleshooting the process
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17:56<jrolland-iMac>I was screwing around with it trying to get php to work with ssl and install magento, and now this
17:57<mbrush>maybe not what you want, but there's a package out there that does LAMP install and gives you lots of help with security and stuff
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17:57<mbrush>thought it was neat
17:57<mbrush>can't remember the name
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17:58<twb>Death to PHP!
17:58<twb>jrolland-iMac: obviously your server is receiving my vibes
17:58<mbrush>naw, php is sweet ... from a coders POV anyway
17:58<hax>twb: rabble rabble rabble!
17:58<twb>mbrush: from a code MONKEY's perspective, perhaps
17:59<mbrush>i like how it does all kinds of magic ... makes it real easy
17:59<hax>mbrush: for somebody who doesn't know how to write code... maybe
17:59<tsawolf>How do I install flash? I know I need to install flashplayer-nonfree, but I can't find it.
17:59<twb>tsawolf: it's in the non-free/ branch
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17:59<adii>how can i know which process is using /dev/dsp ?
18:00<tsawolf>twb: Can I tack on non-free to the end of the deb and deb-src lines?
18:00<tsawolf>So, lenny main non-free?
18:00<twb>tsawolf: yes.
18:00<adii>that's weird : lsof | grep dsp returns 0 results, but i can't play anysong atm
18:00<dli>adii, lsof /dev/dsp
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18:00<jrolland-iMac>Ok, so can anyone help with getting the "it works" page?
18:01<adii>doesn't return anything either
18:01<bremner>hax: sorry, no real idea, except that I rememer the priority numbers are very non-linear. did you see
18:01<twb>Pinning is a real PITA to get right
18:01<mbrush>jrolland, did you go through the config files?
18:01<mbrush>sites-enabled and whatnot
18:01<twb>Remember that for pinning, testing /= lenny and similar
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18:02<tsawolf>twb: Hrm. Still can't find it.
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18:02<tsawolf>No candidate version found for...
18:03<tsawolf>I even see aptitude fetching stuff from non-free.
18:03<twb>tsawolf: are you on ia32?
18:03<tsawolf>twb: amd64
18:03<twb>On lenny?
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18:03<twb>Sounds like your mirror is stale
18:04<tsawolf> stale?
18:04<twb>Er, you said you were changing deb-src
18:04<twb>That is wrong
18:04<hax>bremner: i think it has to do with my release name being wrong... but i've tried a=etch/volatile a=debian-volatile a=volatile and a few others... i can't figure out what it's supposed to be
18:04<tsawolf>I changed both deb and deb-src...
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18:04<hax>bremner: because even if i set it as pin-priority to -1, it still wants to update it
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18:05<jrolland-iMac>mbrush, I will take a look
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18:05<mbrush>they changed it in apache2 ... it's no longer all in http.conf or whatever anymore ... if i'm not mistaken
18:05<tsawolf>twb: It looks like it's not in testing. Just stable and unstable... which is weird.
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18:07<twb>hax: try `aptitude keep ~i!~V'
18:07<mzhang>dli: there?
18:07<twb>hax: it might be trying to follow through on a scheduled command
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18:07<tsawolf>twb: Any ideas?
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18:08<lance_>hi, sorry, im a newb, but i need a debian installation with kde
18:08<twb>lance_: I'm not stopping you
18:09<lance_>where can i find one
18:09<mbrush>lance: download the cd
18:09<hax>twb: i don't have aptitude, not sure i follow that though... shouldn't this be fixable with pinning?
18:09<tsawolf>How do I install flash? I know I need to install flashplayer-nonfree, but I can't find it.
18:09<mbrush>burn it to disk, then when it gets to boot prompt type install-gui i think
18:09<tsawolf>I do have contrib and nonfree.
18:09<twb>hax: my point is that if you somehow said something like "aptitude --schedule-only full-upgrade" before you put the pinning in, it might remember that
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18:10<tsawolf>panthera: That was a typo here, unfortunately.
18:10<gsimmons>!tell lance_ -about install kde
18:10<dli>mzhang, yes
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18:10<lance_>is kde included with the current stable release of debian cd iso
18:11<mzhang>dli, is your 64-bit gentoo? can you modprobe acpi_cpufreq and dmesg|tail?
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18:11<twb>lance_: does it matter?
18:11<dli>mzhang, no, I couldn't, it's built-in
18:11<hax>twb: nope, i definitely didn't do that... and if i just remove the line from sources.list, it doesn't try to upgrade it
18:11<lance_>yeah i need kde, its what i know how to use, its what we use in school
18:11<twb>hax: OK
18:12<mbrush>lance ... i dunno if it's included by default, but you could just do a base install and apt-get it
18:12<twb>lance_: as long as the target host has an internet connection, it doesn't matter what isn't on the first CD
18:12<mbrush>apt-get install xorg kde-core
18:12<twb>lance_: normal procedure is to use the smallest install CD and then install almost everything from the network
18:12<mbrush>is there such a package?
18:13<lance_>k, what do u mean, install kde after linux
18:13<defi0n>minimal package, yeah
18:13<mzhang>dli, is newer than any 2.6.23.rc* right? there seem to be patches for rc*.
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18:13<tsawolf>Anyone? No candidates for flashplugin-nonfree... even though I'm using non-free.
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18:13<defi0n>i run debian-4.0-i386-minimal
18:13<dli>mzhang, yes, -rc are before 2.6.23
18:13<defi0n>on a server i run here beside me
18:13<mbrush>lance_ you can install debian with a minimal cd and add kde afterwards
18:14<lance_>well i tried that and i got confused, is there a guide or something on the web
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18:14<dli>mzhang, 2.6.23-gentoo-r5 works on cain, you may try to copy over the kernel source from cain
18:14<twb>lance_: 1) install debian; 2) log in as root and do "aptitude install kde xorg"
18:14<mzhang>dli, -r5 means rev 5 or rc 5?
18:14<defi0n>gentoo sucks doesnt it
18:15<defi0n>no apt-get's or yums
18:15<twb>defi0n: do you want a biased opinion?
18:15<mbrush>probably add synaptic in there
18:15<lance_>where do i type that, root terminal?
18:15<defi0n>twb: nah who cares ;)
18:15<dli>mzhang, -r5 means gentoo ebuild versions, not kernel
18:15<defi0n>as long as debian works for me, pff
18:15<defi0n>and i love apt-get :)
18:15<defi0n>Ubuntu is nice too
18:15<twb>I love the Policy Manual
18:15<twb>It allows me to force maintainers to build packages that work
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18:16<mbrush>lance_ if your a total newb ... can i suggest Kubuntu?
18:16<twb>You can't do that on Ubuntu or Fink
18:16<defi0n>like "man irssi"?
18:16<twb>Even though they use apt and dpkg, they suck
18:16<defi0n>is what ur talking about?
18:16<defi0n>dpkg yeah :P
18:16<lance_>k, does it have kde i need quanta
18:16<twb>!tell defi0n -about policy
18:16<mbrush>it's Ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome
18:17<twb>defi0n: aptitude install debian-policy
18:17<defi0n>twb: wth, heh
18:17<defi0n>okay hold on
18:17<defi0n>gotta piss
18:17<twb>defi0n: basically it's a lot of rules that maintainers have to follow, which result in packages that integrate better.
18:17<lance_>thanks mbrush
18:18<twb>On ubuntu, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-
18:18<mzhang>dli, what's the diff between gentoo-r5 and normal 2.6.23 from
18:18<twb>...and you have "kubuntu"
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18:18<mbrush>yeah .. but then you have gnome and kde
18:18<twb>I don't understand why people give a shit about what's on the CD
18:18<twb>mbrush: no
18:19<twb>On ubuntu, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-
18:19<hax>i just don't understand this... it's like the pinning has absolutely no effect
18:19<twb>mbrush: that *removes* ubuntu-desktop
18:19<dli>mzhang, gentoo patches, also include patches for 2.6.23.#
18:19<twb>hax: that means you've done it wrong
18:19<mbrush>i like to start with minibuntu
18:19<mbrush>and go frfom there
18:19<twb>hax: are you checking values with apt-cache policy?
18:19<dli>mzhang, I think -2.6.23-r5 includes
18:19<hax>twb: this is the first i've head of apt-cache policy... sec
18:20<twb>mbrush: I install both Ubuntu and Debian using the kernel and the initrd AND THAT'S IT
18:20<mzhang>dli, sounds good, will try soon. thanks. in /usr/src/ ?
18:20<twb>About 10MB
18:20<mbrush>nice ... I'm doing LFS right now
18:20<chump_>hey guys is there a command that will give me an output of all the things i have installed through apt?
18:20<dli>mzhang, yes, and linked to /usr/src/linux
18:20<mbrush>trying to get the hand of it
18:20<chump_>or is there a way i can export that list?
18:20<twb>chump_: aptitude search -F %p ~i
18:20<hax>twb: oh, this explains it
18:20<twb>chump_: aptitude search -F %p ~i | fmt -w $COLUMNS
18:20<dli>chump_, dpkg -l |grep '^\[ii'
18:20<chump_>twb: thanks i'll check that out
18:21<twb>dli: uglee
18:21<twb>dli: you'll also want to do debconf-get-selections
18:21<chump_>wow i have a lot of stuff hahah
18:21<twb>Oosp, wrong person
18:21<twb>chump_: aptitude search -F %p ~i!~M | fmt -w $COLUMNS --- will only list installed packages you explicitly asked for
18:22<hax>twb: got it, it had to do with the right values of o= and a=
18:22<hax>twb: thank you
18:22<chump_>twb, oh really so its only things i've installed
18:22<chump_>twb, that is very helpful
18:22<twb>You might also want !~V
18:22<chump_>i need to make a list of helpful commands for my self
18:22<chump_>or figure out how i can learn all these commands
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18:23<twb>chump_: you learn by lurking here
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18:23<chump_>w/o always bugging you guys haha
18:23<mbrush>i like to use dpkg --purge `deborphan`
18:23<defi0n>chump are you an actual, beginner...
18:23<mbrush>or apt-get autoremove on ubuntu
18:23<defi0n>such as, you don't know what ls is or something
18:23<tsawolf>twb: hrm. I'm not sure non-free is working right.
18:23<chump_>no i know enough commands to get most stuff i want to get done on the command line
18:24<defi0n>oh okay :P
18:24<mzhang>dli, can you get the original bz2 file for -r5 on cain?
18:24<chump_>its just i've seen people professors and people in this chat room give me commands that i'm like 'where the f did that come from'
18:24<twb>mbrush: aptitude --schedule-only markauto ~i!~M(~Rdepends:(~i!~M)|~Rrecommends:(~i!~M)) && aptitude --schedule-only keep ~aremove && aptitude install
18:24<defi0n>me too sometimes
18:24<chump_>like why would you ever know off hand ^^^ tht command
18:24<Maulkin>Love, me
18:24<mbrush>like that one by twb?
18:25<dli>mzhang, no, gentoo doesn't use a single .bz2 for a package. you can "rsync -av "
18:25<chump_>exactly yeah
18:25<mbrush>hehehe ... nice stuff
18:25<twb>Because d-i doesn't markauto any packages
18:25<defi0n>does OFTC block known connections from "tor"
18:25<defi0n>i know EFNet does
18:26<chump_>so its just a matter i guess of getting more into things and relying more on the command line then on X which i'm better than most at doing espcially for coming from a pure windows enviroment i've seen guys that know NO cli
18:26<twb>Tor not know how use computers. Tor strong! Tor kill mammoth!
18:26<dli>mzhang, rsync -av --exclude "*.o"
18:26<blarson>defi0n: ask on #oftc
18:26<defi0n>nah, i don't care 'cause i irc through a remote server
18:26<tsawolf>twb: /quit\
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18:26<defi0n>just curious
18:26<mbrush>chump_ you should grab a book on bash
18:26<defi0n>sparking up conversation
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18:26<twb>defi0n: OFTC are serious administrators and technical types. They aren't a bunch of kiddies running nodes on their overclocked workstations in their mommas' basements.'
18:27<mzhang>dli, ok
18:27<umarzuki>hi guys
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18:27<umarzuki>just installed my debian 4 rc2 the n00b way
18:28<twb>umarzuki: please use English in this channel.
18:28<chump_>mbrush: yeah i really need to get a good bash book, its hard to read anything with work manuals i have to read and school text books by the end of the day i'm like uhhh watching lost seems way more important than reading about bash
18:28<umarzuki>but i couldn't get to x
18:28<jagerman>Instead, OFTC people are REAL men. We run overclocked servers in our companies' data centers! ;)
18:28<defi0n>my server is in a data center
18:28<twb>!tell chump_ about rute
18:28<defi0n>a Virtual server
18:28<defi0n>no node kiddie here :)
18:28<twb>!tell chump_ -about abs
18:28<mbrush>chump_ the bash cookbook by oreilly is really good ... and it's more like problem-solution based
18:28<twb>Damn, it doesn't know that one.
18:28<mzhang>dli, I suppose I can just copy my .config over?
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18:28<twb>!google "advanced bash scripting" guide
18:29<mbrush>yah, that too
18:29<umarzuki>how do i get to console in the 1st place
18:29<twb>jagerman: you know it
18:29<dli>mzhang, you may want to try the cain config first
18:29<defi0n>i would get colo-location but it is very expensive
18:29<twb>jagerman: OFTC admins survive by straining plankton from the air with their bears
18:29<dli>mzhang, make menuconfig to add your drivers. since we know cpufreq works on cain
18:29<Maulkin>My rack is in a data centre, does that count?
18:29<defi0n>where at?
18:29<Maulkin>twb: bears?
18:29<defi0n>mine is in Sweden
18:29<mzhang>dli, ok
18:29<Maulkin>blarson: TH.E
18:29<twb>Maulkin: beards!
18:30<chump_>my work servers are in a closet how upscale is that
18:30<defi0n>yeah i do that too
18:30<jagerman>twb: Except, you missed one thing: it should be: "running nodes on their overclocked Gentoo workstations ..."
18:30<Maulkin>defi0n: TH.E. Or possibly TH.N. One of the two, I forget which is which
18:30<Maulkin>erm... London
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18:30<hax>how would i use apt-get -t with "release,a=stable,l=debian-volatile,c=main"?
18:30<chump_>defi0n: I mean like production servers
18:30<twb>jagerman: I didn't want to, you know, be rude
18:30<defi0n>chump: what is that lol
18:30<defi0n>a commercial website?
18:31<jagerman>twb: Yeah, I suppose calling someone a Gentoo user is rather harsh.
18:31<defi0n>i used to have a Virtual server account in Germany
18:31*Maulkin points out that OFTC servers aren't just random virtual things.
18:31<chump_>i just mean like the 3 servers that runa business are ina normal unventilated closet
18:31<defi0n>heh :/
18:31<Maulkin>However, this hsould go to #moocows, as it's off topic here
18:31<mbrush>sweet, i wonder how many more days it'll take to finish compiling gcc
18:31<twb>In all fairness, in my experience for every thousand retarded kiddie gentooers there is one gentooer who is a wacko nutball who was on the design team for a bunch of CRAYs
18:32<mbrush>what is gentoo?
18:32<defi0n>VPS was a great innovation for isp's though
18:32<twb>mbrush: you're better off not knowing
18:32<mbrush>i've heard the name but never googled it
18:32<twb>mbrush: it's a death cult
18:32<mbrush>is it deb based?
18:32<twb>mbrush: they are trying to bring about catastrophic global warming by using up CPU cycles
18:33<chump_>i heard gentoo is the biggest pain in the ass
18:33<defi0n>so dumb
18:33<umarzuki>y is that
18:33<Maulkin>Still not really on topic...
18:33<twb>Maulkin: sorry
18:33<defi0n>alright, anyways...
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18:33<Maulkin>:P Thanks
18:33<mzhang>dli, any particular reason why I should use rsync instead of bzip2 the directory then scp and tar xjvf?
18:34<dli>mzhang, only one command, also, no need to copy binaries
18:34<jagerman>If there's some of the data there already, rsync is more efficient.
18:35<mzhang>dli, well, I ran "make clean" to remove the binaries. the text files are incredibly bloated.
18:35<twb>mzhang: if you have already transmitted part of the content, rsync will be more efficient
18:35<dli>mzhang, doesn't matter then
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18:36<twb>In general, -z will be faster than -j; -j will turn the CPU into a bottleneck unless you're on a very slow I/O line
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18:37<dli>twb, or you have a rather slow network
18:37<umarzuki>guys, i just installed debian but i couldn't get a proper display intead it displayed weird, an eye sore if u ask me
18:37<twb>dli: network = I/O
18:37<umarzuki>a newbie to dbian
18:37<dli>umarzuki, what video card? lspci|grep -i vga
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18:38<mbrush>umarzuki dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:38<mzhang>twb, I am downloading thru a 300k dsl line, so... cpu time probably cheaper.
18:38<chump_>there is no man entry for rutebook?
18:38<twb>mzhang: fair enough.
18:38<umarzuki>my vid card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1)
18:38<dli>!tell umarzuki about nvidia
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18:39<chump_>does any one know what the read line that comes across on gnome-xchat every once ina while is?
18:39<mbrush>umarzuki: reconfigure xorg and select the right driver and resolution and monitor specs
18:39<defi0n>chump: its a line seperater marking where you left off
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18:39<defi0n>when you switched channels or such
18:40<defi0n>you can disable it like i do
18:40<jagerman>It's sometimes somewhat accurate
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18:40<umarzuki>oh no i'm lost here
18:40<chump_>twb how do i use the rutebook?
18:41<mbrush>type this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:41<mbrush>the rest is all gUI
18:42<gsimmons>chump_: Did you install the 'rutebook' package? See /usr/share/doc/rutebook for its content in HTML and PDF formats.
18:42<dli>umarzuki, did you install the proprietary nvidia?
18:42<twb>chump_: you want me to teach you to read?
18:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
18:42<umarzuki>coulnd't even get to log in screen
18:42<dli>umarzuki, ctl-alt-f1
18:43<mbrush>umarzuki: are you at the shell?
18:43<umarzuki>then i apt-get it, right?
18:43<umarzuki>i'm on Mint
18:43<dli>umarzuki, read the debian wiki first
18:43<chump_>twb: no i just didn't understand it i thought it would be like man files or something like that
18:43<dli>!not debian
18:43<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:44<mbrush>is that an auto-message?
18:44<umarzuki>i guess
18:44<dli>mint should be banned here, it's ubuntu based, so "not debian" squared
18:44<defi0n>dpkg must be a bot
18:44<umarzuki>i wanna try debian too
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18:44<umarzuki>be nice to me
18:44<defi0n>no-one could type that fast
18:44<mbrush>I'm on Gentoo and i need to know if it's safe to run rm -rf /
18:44*defi0n nods
18:44<mbrush>where's my auto-message?
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18:45<defi0n>one time i told someone to do that mbrush
18:45<umarzuki>since i couln't login into deian
18:45<Maulkin>mbrush: did you read ?
18:45<defi0n>next think i saw was a quit message saying remote host closed connection
18:45<mbrush>i guess the robot understands sarcasm
18:45<Maulkin>"'rm -rf *', or any variation, will get you a ban. Even if you said it as a joke. It's not funny to make someone delete their data."?
18:46<Maulkin>Now, do you really want a message? :)
18:46*defi0n hides
18:46<chump_>do you guys know if there is anything on debian that is like Time Machine for mac?
18:46*defi0n mutters it was on EFnet
18:46<Maulkin>And yes, dpkg is a bot :P
18:46<mbrush>but you aren't?
18:46<umarzuki>bye guy, thx anyway
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18:47<noble->I setup tightvncserver but I still can't connect from my client, any ideas?
18:47<mbrush>heheh ... ok fair nough ... i guess it's not a funny command
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18:47<Maulkin>noble-: Weren't you here before?
18:47<noble->never left since I got here earlier
18:47<hax>can i somehow search a list of packages installed on my system? like apt-cache search, but only for what's installed already?
18:48<defi0n>it's all in /bin
18:48<Hideo>hax: dpkg -l
18:48<the-me>dpkg -l
18:48*defi0n sucks :/
18:48<chump_>man i guess you really do learn commands sitting here i could have answered that one now haha
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18:48<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
18:48<ubuntu>somebody help me! pls
18:49<chump_>whats up ubuntu?
18:49<Hideo>ubuntu: /topic
18:49<chump_>just ask your question
18:49<noble->Maulkin, I havn't asked this question before if that's what you mean
18:49-!-ubuntu is now known as Pingvin
18:49<chump_>he might have a debian based question
18:49<Maulkin>noble-: Error message?
18:49<Pingvin>i have ubuntu 7.10
18:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:49<gravity>That's not a good start
18:49<noble->the client just doesn't connect, no message
18:50<Maulkin>noble-: so it does connect?
18:50<Maulkin>come on, be specific.
18:50<noble->failed to connect
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18:50<Maulkin>How do you know?
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18:50<noble->it just said
18:51<Maulkin>So when you said "no message", then there IS a message?
18:51<noble->yes sorry
18:51<defi0n>wow, thanks for the root pass :)
18:51<noble->™ ZXhhY3RseQ==
18:51<twb>Maulkin: user Maulkin does not have permission to run sudo on this machine. A message will be sent to the administrator.
18:52<silensius>we have a shared printer on our network in a windows sahared printer linux box how can i detected and install it to use
18:52<Maulkin>That was my head, and a keybaord.
18:52<twb>You brought the two forcefully into conjunction?
18:52<Maulkin>It made pretty patterns on my forehead
18:52<noble->good effort
18:52<defi0n>raped printers is bad, mmmmk
18:53<noble->jobs a goodun
18:53<dpkg>rumour has it, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
18:53<twb>My desk has several dents from me tipping it up and throwing it against the wall
18:53<Maulkin>silensius: You need to use 'cups'
18:53<twb>I was trying to explain to our secretary, a Python fanboy, why Python is retarded
18:53<Maulkin>twb: And the wall doesn't?
18:53<twb>Maulkin: not really
18:54<Hideo>twb: are you hercules?
18:54<twb>Maulkin: I smashed the casing off my LCD, tho
18:54<twb>Hideo: no, it's just a lightweight pine zataku
18:54*Maulkin returns to family guy
18:54<mbrush>i love running scripts that have "torture" in the name
18:54<twb>Jarrah is too expensive; even the pine plank cost me $100
18:55<mbrush>i'm assuming that's because it takes FOREVER
18:55<noble->anyone know what port tightvncserver runs by default? 22?
18:55<twb>noble-: hahahahahaha
18:55<twb>noble-: grep -i vnc\\\|rfb /etc/services
18:56<twb>Awesome, "/proc/modules does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
18:56<Hideo>twb: that gives me nothing
18:57<noble->that helped, lol
18:57<twb>Useless Ubuntu gobshites don't understand the meaning of "stable"
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18:57<Hideo>noble-: usually vnc runs on 5900-5903
18:57<oompa-loompa>what architecture should I use on etch for apt-build
18:57<oompa-loompa>for a Celeron D?
18:58<twb>oompa-loompa: either i386 or amd64.
18:58<oompa-loompa>I know
18:58*defi0n throws a caveman rock at oompa-loompa's computer
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18:58<twb>defi0n: you don't get it, do you
18:58<oompa-loompa>Im referring to apt-build architecture question
18:58<defi0n>oh yeah i was busy in #moocows
18:58<twb>defi0n: running Debian on a shit computer is a BIGGER accomplishment than running it on an obscenely overspecced one
18:59<noble->Hideo, thanks
18:59<oompa-loompa>it has serveral options from pentium to nocona but no celeron
18:59<defi0n>yes, it is...
18:59<twb>oompa-loompa: oh, apt-build
18:59<twb>oompa-loompa: bah, ricer
18:59<oompa-loompa>yeah :)
18:59<twb>Ricing on a Celeron D is pretty dumb IMO
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18:59<twb>At least if you're still running it in IA32 compatibility mode.
18:59<mbrush>Celeron D?
19:00<Hideo>defi0n: as in eating rice
19:00<defi0n>seriously? heh
19:00<dpkg>methinks ricer is at gentoo
19:00<dpkg>-funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which Gentoo is a prime example. See
19:00<oompa-loompa>ok so are you saying I should not?
19:00<twb>oompa-loompa: I'm saying it sounds like a waste of time
19:00<oompa-loompa>oh ok I got cha
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19:00<oompa-loompa>well I still need to give apt-get an answer
19:01<twb>oompa-loompa: do you have anecdotal evidence to the contrary?
19:01<oompa-loompa>I never said I dissagreed with you
19:01<twb>I mean, who told you to install apt-build?
19:01<oompa-loompa>no one
19:01<oompa-loompa>I used it before to install thinks like scite
19:02<twb>That's stupid
19:02<twb>For an editor, the slowest component is the human.
19:02<oompa-loompa>ouch ... :(
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19:03<oompa-loompa>I did it on a crappy computer
19:03<twb>Except possibly for eclipse
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19:03<oompa-loompa>yeah I tried that too but failed to find the sources
19:03<twb>$ grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo ==> bogomips : 784.38
19:03<mbrush>oompa are you looking for IDE for a specific language?
19:03<twb>oompa-loompa: I bet that's slower than your Celeron D.
19:04<oompa-loompa>it is
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19:04<twb>So stop ricing
19:04<oompa-loompa>no actually eclipse fixes all my problems
19:04<oompa-loompa>that and scribes
19:04<oompa-loompa>ok ok man ...
19:04<oompa-loompa>scribes a python text editor
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19:05<twb>IMO it'd be more efficient to learn vim than to recompile a bloated language-specific editor.
19:05<oxymor00n>a java editor and a python editor. twb is probably fuming
19:05<twb>But that's just my opinion.
19:05<mbrush>oompa ... i tried geany recently it seems to be pretty sweet
19:05<oompa-loompa>I use vim too
19:05<mbrush>built in console, code folding, etc
19:06<oompa-loompa>however it does not comes with some of the features other IDE's come with like FTP CVS and SVN
19:06<oompa-loompa>its cool when you are using it local
19:06<dondelelcaro>oompa-loompa: uh... vim can do almost all of that too
19:06<dondelelcaro>(as can emacs)
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19:07<oompa-loompa>through going to command interface and running the shell
19:07<dondelelcaro>oompa-loompa: no, within it.
19:07<oompa-loompa>wow really? sweet
19:07<oompa-loompa>didnt know that
19:07<twb>dondelelcaro: I only mentioned vim because he's ricing
19:07<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know whether it's possible configure a computer, named, say "X.COM", to resolve any lower level domain name, (like A.X.COM, B.X.COM, C.X.COM, etc...) to the same IP address as X.COM, and also direct the resulting incoming web traffic to different web servers, possibly by configuring apache, or by using virtual hosts on a private network?
19:08<oompa-loompa>anyways I dont mean to create an argument out of this though
19:08<twb>kingsley: yes
19:08<oompa-loompa>and sorry for my bad english, is not my native language
19:08<twb>kingsley: that's called "wildcards" by
19:08<twb>oompa-loompa: we're used to it
19:08<mbrush>vim sucks ... there i did it for you oompa
19:09<oompa-loompa>I dont think vim sucks
19:09<twb>vim sucks because it doesn't fit on my router
19:09<dondelelcaro>oompa-loompa: our point is that you should probably consider looking at the extant editors like emacs and vim and actually learning the features that they have. There's a reason why almost all of the experienced coders use one or the other.
19:09<dondelelcaro>twb: vim-tiny probably does
19:09<Maulkin>Dpkg has the final word on the matter.
19:09<Maulkin>!start an editor war.
19:09<dpkg>nvi doesn't deserve to be in linux
19:09<twb>!info mg
19:09<Maulkin>See, there you go
19:09<dpkg>mg: (microscopic GNU Emacs-style editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 20070329-1 (sid), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 212 kB
19:09<twb>Aw, no ego rush
19:10<twb>Incidentally if any DDs wanna sponsor the new version of mg that's been lying around on mentors.d.n for weeks...
19:10<oompa-loompa>have any of you tried toshet and toshutils? I using a toshiba laptop and wish to save some battery
19:10<bernardo>has someone experienced problems in debian where you have to do almost everything twice for it work?? Like opening a dialog box on an application (I have to go the menu twice and click on the item for it to work), or to put the system to hibernate (I have to close the notebook's lid twice...)
19:11<dondelelcaro>twb: why not get kari to sponsor it again?
19:11<twb>oompa-loompa: you might want to look at the `laptop' task; it has frequency scaling tools for the CPU and whizzy stuff to reduce disk writes
19:11<twb>dondelelcaro: honestly I don't remember who sponsored it last time
19:11<dondelelcaro>twb: who-uploads mg; is your friend.
19:11<mbrush>there's some controversy about whether CPU scaling actually saves power, anyone care to comment
19:11<twb>dondelelcaro: ooh
19:11<blarson>twb: It's been a while since I worked on mg.
19:12<mbrush>(they say linux uses halt commands when not using other useful coimmands or something)
19:12<Maulkin>#define they
19:12<mbrush>people that are tweaking linux for Eee PC specifically
19:12<dondelelcaro>Maulkin: !me
19:12<Maulkin>mbrush: URL?
19:12<mbrush>one sec
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19:13<kingsley>twb: Do you happen to know of any documentation that explains how to use debian or linux packages to do one's own wildcard-ing?
19:13<twb>kingsley: that would depend on which DNS server you're using
19:13<blarson>kingsley: any good book on bind should.
19:14<Maulkin>I would sort of assume that cpu-freq scaling did actually work, or it woudn't exist...
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19:14<dondelelcaro>it does work; and as long as you've got it set to a sensible value, it saves power
19:15<dondelelcaro>"sensible value" of course is context and hardware dependent.
19:15<mbrush>Maulkin: i can't stand the eeeuser site, it's impossible to find anything ... i'll look a little more
19:16<twb>mbrush: #eeepc on freenode, btw
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19:16<drone77>mbrush: you want the debian eeepc site?
19:16<mbrush>nice, will be adding that
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19:16<twb>Also, google's site: predicate is sometimes your friend.
19:16<mbrush>except I'm doing a LFS on my eee pc
19:16<twb>mbrush: ow
19:17<twb>mbrush: I hope you're cross-compiling
19:17<mbrush>I'm doing my first run-through in a VM right now ...
19:17<mbrush>just to try the process
19:17<drone77>mbrush my eeepc arrives on tuesday...LFS sounds good
19:17<drone77>for it
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19:17<mbrush>yah, with 4G drive it should be nice
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19:18<twb>Todays guilty party is: web apps that limit logon passphrases to 64 characters
19:18<drone77>and #debian-eeepc
19:18<mbrush>drone77: thanks ... added both
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 316] by debhelper
19:19<twb>drone77: ooh
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19:19<drone77>twb, that's what I thought
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19:21<bernardo>has someone experienced problems in debian where you have to do almost everything twice for it work?? Like opening a dialog box on an application (I have to go the menu twice and click on the item for it to work), or to put the system to hibernate (I have to close the notebook's lid twice...)
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19:22<twb>It seems like there are even more eeepc users than thinkpad of powerbook users
19:22<mbrush>Maulkin: i can't find a source ... i friggen hate that eeeuser site
19:22<twb>Imagine: a minimalist laptop with decent hardware support!
19:22<drone77>mbrush source to what?
19:22<hax>are any of you guys using amavisd-new? i'm trying to understand why i need these @bypass_spam_checks lines, it makes no sense
19:23<Maulkin>twb: I know! It's almost like someone's got a X60 or something!
19:23<chump_>how can i tell how much room a folder is taking up on the command line?
19:23<drone77>twb, yeah i was amazed bt the amount of community support there seems to be
19:23<Maulkin>chump_: du
19:23<mbrush>(04:14:30 PM) mbrush: (they say linux uses halt commands when not using other useful coimmands or something)
19:23<mbrush>(04:14:40 PM) Maulkin: #define they
19:23<mbrush>(04:14:54 PM) mbrush: people that are tweaking linux for Eee PC specifically
19:23<mbrush>(04:14:58 PM) dondelelcaro: Maulkin: !me
19:23<mbrush>(04:15:11 PM) Maulkin: mbrush: URL?
19:23-!-mbrush was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:24<twb>Without the confusing altruism of the XO-1.
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19:24<twb>Maulkin: x60's are 12"; eeepc is 7"
19:25<Hideo>how long is the battery life of the eeepc
19:25-!-mbrush [] has joined #debian
19:25<twb>Hideo: allegedly 3.5hr
19:25<mbrush>wow did i just get booted for citing messages?
19:25<Maulkin>twb: x60 had 5h, and an actual keyboard :)
19:25<twb>Maulkin: more importantly, eeepcs are only $400
19:25<drone77>Hideo, there is a 3.5hr version and also a 2.8hr
19:25<Hideo>Maulkin: I have an x60s, ~8hrs here :P
19:25<Maulkin>twb: As was my X60... :)
19:26<Hideo>you can't pry the x60s out of my cold dead hands
19:26<mbrush>anyone know why i just got kicked out?
19:26<drone77>flood control
19:26<Maulkin>mbrush: go read the urls in the topic
19:26<mbrush>i just copied/pasted a few lines from above
19:26<DaCapn>read the kick message too...
19:27<twb>drone77: you make #debian sound like a sewer
19:27<mbrush>i think it's cuz i pasted like 10 lines in one fellswoop ... note to self, don't do that
19:28<Maulkin>And possibly using 'cuz'
19:28<Maulkin>It knows you were about to do it, so it kicked you
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19:28<Maulkin>bless you.
19:29<mbrush>i'm a programmer, i can't help but to use syntax shortcuts
19:29<tchmnkyz>hey guys, i got a nfs problem. When i mount it on the remote box i see the sub dir's (that i have other drives mounted on) but in those it is empty
19:29<mbrush>and i say "cause" a lot in real life
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19:30<mbrush>if anyone cares, Debian is a sweet distro to use LFS book
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19:31<Maulkin>mbrush: really, so instead of foreach, you manage to use 4each?
19:31<bernardo>has someone experienced problems in debian where you have to do almost everything twice for it work?? Like opening a dialog box on an application (I have to go the menu twice and click on the item for it to work), or to put the system to hibernate (I have to close the notebook's lid twice...)
19:31<mbrush>instead of for(int $i ....) i use foreach
19:32<Maulkin>bernardo: I'm guessing not. mail
19:33<bernardo>Maulkin: ok I will....
19:33<mbrush>bernado: it sounds like a prob with the windows manager?
19:33<bernardo>mbrush: I use gnome
19:33<mbrush>is metacity default on gnome?
19:33<defi0n>w00t, metacity
19:33<bernardo>mbrush: what is that?
19:34<mbrush>windows manager
19:34<defi0n>a gnome theme
19:34<defi0n>it is?
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19:34<mbrush>think so
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19:34<bernardo>mbrush: I don't know....
19:35<SeveredCross>Hey y'all. I'm running Debian sid and have started having a strange problem--gdm won't start up on boot.
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19:35<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
19:35<DaCapn>metacity is the default for gnome on debian
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19:35*SeveredCross sighs.
19:35<mbrush>bernado: maybe reinstalling it then
19:35<DaCapn>I think compiz is default for ubuntu
19:35<drone77>that name always reminds me of the word mendacity, not the best relationship...
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19:35<mbrush>metacity is default on ubuntu
19:36<mbrush>i think
19:36<gravity>SeveredCross: Does it even try to run?
19:36<SeveredCross>gravity: It claims to.
19:36<oxymor00n>SeveredCross: i had that last week sometime, upgrading fixed it
19:36<gravity>SeveredCross: Can you bring up X?
19:36<bernardo>mbrush: I don't think I'm using it....
19:36<drone77>i thought gnome was default on ubuntu
19:36<Maulkin>SeveredCross: well, if you don't provide any error messages, or any way we can help, then what do you expect? Come on... help us help you.
19:36<SeveredCross>gravity: Yes.
19:36<gravity>gnome is default on Debian as well, if you choose the desktop task
19:36<SeveredCross>Maulkin: There are no error messages.
19:36<mbrush>bernardo: maybe reinstall ... 'apt-get --reinstall install metacity'
19:36<SeveredCross>If you'd let me get to the point.
19:36<mbrush>warning: not sure if that's risky
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19:36<SeveredCross>There aren't any error messages--nothing appears at all on the terminal, I just get stuck at the login screen
19:37<SeveredCross>I can bring up X if I log in and then startx.
19:37<SeveredCross>Let me check /var/log/gdm if it exists.
19:37<oxymor00n>does gdm come up if you start it as root?
19:37<SeveredCross>oxymor00n: I did su -c gdm and got nothing.
19:37<Maulkin>SeveredCross: so... you get a login screen? What do you mean by stuck? And what sort of login screen? A graphical one?
19:38<SeveredCross>Maulkin: Terminal login.
19:38<thepretender84>how can I force a module to load at boot/
19:38<Maulkin>Ok, slightly closer :)
19:38<mbrush>install a <whatever>dm
19:38<SeveredCross>hostname login:
19:38<SeveredCross>Is what I get.
19:38<mbrush>xdm, gdm, kdm?
19:38<DaCapn>so login and try /etc/init.d/gdm start
19:38<mbrush>type your user name
19:38<SeveredCross>Did that, nothing.
19:38<mbrush>type root or your user
19:38<Maulkin>Nothing appeared on screen when you typed?
19:39<SeveredCross>It says "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm" or something similar, and nothing happens.
19:39<bernardo>mbrush: ok.... I will try
19:39<DaCapn>don't say "nothing" say what happened
19:39<gravity>thepretender84: Add it to /etc/modules
19:39<SeveredCross>It's literally NOTHING happens.
19:39<SeveredCross>I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
19:39<oxymor00n>hm then your problem is probably different than mine, the init script didn't work, but starting gdm as root did. i didn't bother to track it down
19:39<DaCapn><SeveredCross> It says "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm" or something similar, and nothing happens.
19:39<mbrush>SeveredCross: apt-get install gdm
19:39<DaCapn>that's not nothing, you got some messaging
19:39<SeveredCross>DaCapn: Nothing relevant--I already said that it claims it starts.
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19:40<thepretender84>just create a file and write the module name in the file in that dir?
19:40<Maulkin>DaCapn: ok. Does it have that line, and then it has a Login: prompt?
19:40<SeveredCross>mbrush: gdm is already the newest version, says aptitude/
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19:40<Maulkin>SeveredCross: ls -l /bin/sh please
19:41<SeveredCross>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-01-12 10:02 /bin/sh -> bash
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19:41<Maulkin>What's in the logs?
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19:42<gravity>thepretender84: In the channel please, so everyone can help
19:42<SeveredCross>Okay, that's bizarre
19:42<mbrush>SeveredCross: i don't run any production equipment, so maybe run 'apt-get --reinstall install metacity gdm'
19:42<gravity>thepretender84: Also in /topic
19:42<SeveredCross>I just did reinstall gdm
19:42<SeveredCross>Via aptitude.
19:42<Maulkin>We do sort of expect you to be able to solve this yourself if you're running sid btw.
19:42<SeveredCross>And it just started (on :1, beause I already did startx)
19:42<thepretender84>gravity, my bad
19:42<SeveredCross>Generally I'm able to solve most of my problems, this one I just had no clue.
19:42<gravity>thepretender84: No problem
19:42<thepretender84>i am a n00b in irc
19:43<SeveredCross>Yeah, it looks fine now...Let me kill the GDM running on :1 and kill this X session and see how things go from there.
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19:44<mbrush>holy crap ... I'm on like hour 3 of a 'make -k check'
19:44<SixT6>If you kill gdm then x will stop running
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19:44<SeveredCross>Looks like a borked init script
19:44<SeveredCross>Because sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start fails.
19:44<SeveredCross>But sudo gdm starts it right up.
19:45<thepretender84>when I boot, netatalk takes forever to load and from what I understand it is so that linux-apple print and file services
19:45<thepretender84>do I need it or can i disable it at boot?
19:45<gravity>Yay sh debugging
19:45<oxymor00n>SeveredCross: i suspected one of the lsb-scripts.. but an upgrade solved it
19:46<SeveredCross>Well, gdm installs its own init script.
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19:47<oxymor00n>yeah but it sources some lsb stuff at the beginning iirc...
19:47<SeveredCross>Not on my end.
19:47<mbrush>i don't like gdm ... seems pointless
19:47<mbrush>(again, single user, non-production here)
19:47<oxymor00n>. /lib/lsb/init-functions <- on line 26 here
19:47<SeveredCross>Mine's a single-user system too, but I like gdm.
19:47<SeveredCross>It's better than kdm.
19:47<SeveredCross>I can't say I've ever used xdm.
19:47<mbrush>i like NOdm
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19:47<gravity>mbrush: It means I don't have to type startx
19:47<SixT6>Everything's better than xdm
19:48<SeveredCross>Oh, you're right oxymor00n, it does source an lsb script.
19:48<mbrush>i don't mind typing 6 chars
19:48<gravity>Although I do start X manually plenty, but I'm weird like that
19:48<SeveredCross>I missed it because I was scanning for source blah not . blah.
19:48<SeveredCross>It sources /lib/lsb/init-functions
19:48<SeveredCross>I wonder if something's b0rk3d there.
19:48<mbrush>Maulkin ^^^^
19:49<gravity>The lsb stuff should be pretty solid
19:49<oxymor00n>that was what i was thinking, but i was too lazy to track it down
19:49<Hideo>SeveredCross: that is odd, b/c I'm on sid and gdm works perfectly fine
19:49<Hideo>I wonder what the difference is between our systems
19:50<SeveredCross>Holy cannoli.
19:50<oxymor00n>is lsb-base on the latest version?
19:50<SeveredCross>apt-get says: yes.
19:50<SeveredCross>Also, wow the kernel's holding a LOT of cache.
19:50<SeveredCross>1.8 GB of cache.
19:50<mbrush>mem cache?
19:50*SeveredCross reinstalls lsb-base.
19:50<SeveredCross>1.8 GB of physical RAM is cache.
19:51<mbrush>it does that, instead of wasting it
19:51<SeveredCross>Not necessarily a bad thing, just pointing it out.
19:51<mbrush>live linux
19:51<SeveredCross>It's weird, I'd never seen that before until I just added swap space before the last reboot.
19:51<SeveredCross>Before I added swap space, cache hovered around 20% or so.
19:51<mbrush>it caches stuff in free ram if I'm not mistaken
19:51<SeveredCross>Yep, I knew that.
19:52<mbrush>hehehe, i didn't ... wondered why my little panel mem monitor was showing 100%
19:52<Hideo>if your swapiness is low, it tend to do that
19:52<SeveredCross>I'd done my reading on Linux before I took the jump.
19:52<SixT6>I don't have a swap partition
19:52<SeveredCross>I just jumped ship from Ubuntu to Debian in the last few days and I'm actually blown away by how much better it is.
19:52<SeveredCross>Suspend actually works!
19:52<SeveredCross>(God bless RadeonHD)
19:52<mbrush>yeah, ubuntu is bloatware
19:53<SeveredCross>Yeah...everything is so much faster.
19:53<SeveredCross>Most apps open as soon as I call for them.
19:53<SeveredCross>Much lighter on the HDD space.
19:53<SeveredCross>I think I've got my install down to < 1.5 GB and I've got a crapton of stuff installed.
19:53<SixT6>Minimalist install?
19:53<mbrush>if you do a minibuntu and work from there it's ok ... but at that point, just install dev
19:53<SeveredCross>Not really minimalist.
19:53<SeveredCross>I did a minimalist Debian in a VM once though.
19:53<SeveredCross>I think I got it down to < 500 MB.
19:53<SeveredCross>If not less.
19:54<SeveredCross>I just eliminated damn near everything...sounds, media players, etc.
19:54<mbrush>i made the mistake of installing debian with "Desktop Environment" thinking i'd get just a gnome-core ish install
19:54<mbrush>heheh big mistake
19:54<SeveredCross>Yeah, Desktop Environment is a big task, I didn't realize that either.
19:55<SeveredCross>Would've been better to install just minimal system and such and then apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment.
19:55<SeveredCross>Or gnome-core even.
19:55<mbrush>ya, that's what i ended up doing
19:55<SeveredCross>If I ever do a reinstall here that's what I'll do.
19:55<SixT6>Base system, xorg, gdm, iceweasel, icedove, xmms and fluxbox and gthumb. That's the only gui apps I've got
19:55<mbrush>i did it in a VM so i can build LFS ... so whatever, I'm gonna wipe it anyway
19:56<SixT6>And mplayer, forgot about that one
19:56<mbrush>i tried just installing X on my eee pc ... without any WM or DM ...
19:56<mbrush>that's kinda fun
19:56<SeveredCross>How did that go?
19:57<mbrush>i wanted to make a "Firefox Install"
19:57<gravity>mbrush: Building X by hand?
19:57<mbrush>so, it went well
19:57<chump_>is there a way to set a varible while from thec command line?
19:57<mbrush>nope, using apt-get
19:57<gravity>Ah, ok
19:57<SeveredCross>chump_: export BLAH=blah.
19:57<gravity>Installing X shouldn't be hard... aptitude install xorg
19:57<SeveredCross>Or, if you wanna set it temporarily for a program, do something like BLAH=blah program-here
19:57<mbrush>no, installing it was fine ... just not having a WM to use
19:57<mbrush>newbie thing
19:58<chump_>how do i call that varible in the command line
19:58<mbrush>learned lots about the whole windows manager, desktop environment relationship
19:58<chump_>life if i were dumping files to a folder a lot so i'd do an export /home/chump/=folder
19:58<mbrush>then i tried TWM!
19:58<chump_>how do i use that later?
19:59<oxymor00n>export folder=/home/chum/foo and then later echo $folder
19:59<mbrush>export WHATEVER=/my/place
19:59<chump_>thanks guys
20:00<mbrush>chump_ if you want it to stick, put it in the .bash_profile < is that right
20:02<chump_>hm that is handy
20:03<mbrush>here's my question of the day ... how do i run a script after X has loaded
20:03<mbrush>using no GDM or XDM
20:03<mbrush>christ i spent hours earlier on that and never figured it out
20:03<SeveredCross>What about uh xinitrc or something.
20:03<SeveredCross>That script.
20:04<mbrush>tried it but it didn't work ... i dunno if it looked at mine or somewheres else though
20:04<mbrush>i tried one under /etc too
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20:04<oxymor00n>did you try ~/.xsession
20:04<oxymor00n>that's what i use
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20:04<mbrush>i should've ... i can't remember ... i think i might not have because X didn't put that file there
20:05<mbrush>i remember reading about it though
20:05<oxymor00n>yeah it doesn't create it but uses it if it is there
20:05<mbrush>I'll try it later echo "" > ~/.xsession
20:06<mbrush>(plus the #!/bin/bash i'd assume)
20:06<oxymor00n>hm.. well if you go the .xsession way you also need to start the window-manager and so on there
20:07<mbrush>no window manager just X
20:08<mbrush>making a "Firefox OS" ... just need X plus fullscreen firefox
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20:09<SeveredCross>Our school does that.
20:09<SeveredCross>They run Debian via PXE and just X and Firefox.
20:09<SeveredCross>If you close Firefox, it just restarts in a minute or two.
20:09<oxymor00n>not sure if no window manager at all is a good idea, because of pop-ups and other dialogs..
20:09<mbrush>yeah, it's a pain even with the firefox dialogs
20:09<mbrush>but the keyboard is my friend
20:10<mbrush>there's always shortcuts
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20:10<oxymor00n>i would use a minimalist window manager like evilwm or so
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20:10<cire>ffmpeg returns: "cannot find encoder MPEG-2 Video". Is this a bug, or is it intentional?
20:10<mbrush>i tried TWM for the first time
20:10<mbrush>like win 3.1 throwback
20:11<oxymor00n>i use xmonad
20:11<mbrush>is that a WM?
20:12<mbrush>i just didn't want to involve all the stuff with icons and switching apps
20:12<mbrush>just being a lamo i suppose
20:12<SeveredCross>TWM is a nice backup for if Metacity eats it and dies.
20:12<oxymor00n>as i said i'd use evilwm, start it backgrounded before firefox in the .xsession and start firefox as the last thing, so the session terminates if it is closed
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20:13<mbrush>good call ... I'm gonna give that a go ... I assume it doesn't mater which WM you use
20:13<oxymor00n>nah but if you only need one app fullscreen i'd go for a small one
20:14<mbrush>did you find a way to make firefox go fullscreen on run?
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20:14<mbrush>if i set firefox to go Maximize auto, without a WM it worked perfect
20:14<oxymor00n>i haven't tried
20:15<mbrush>because there's no windows manager, there's no border and so firefox just runs in the full screen
20:15<mbrush>I'm gonna try .xsession though
20:15<mbrush>that doesn't rely on any login managers right?
20:15<mbrush>good stuff
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20:24*SeveredCross punts Flash right out the window.
20:25<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
20:25<marcello_>LightKnight: thanks but I am french actually :)
20:26<LightKnight>marcello_: :-) That wasn't for you, I was checking a thing :)
20:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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20:28<mbrush>j'ai une banane dans mon canaux et puis sa fait mal
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20:42<SeveredHead>Whoo, Flash works!
20:42*SeveredHead high-fives PulseAudio.
20:43<mbrush>SeverdHead: do js menus pop "under" flash moveis there?
20:43<mbrush>it's the only flash problem i've got and it's annoying
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20:44<SeveredHead>It happens on and other similar sites.
20:44<SeveredHead>The problem I was having just now was no sound.
20:44<SeveredHead>But Google is my friend and I found a guide to setting up PulseAudio to replace ESD.
20:44<SeveredHead>PulseAudio >>> ESD.
20:45<mbrush>so you still have the js pop under problem?
20:45<SeveredHead>I have in the past, let me double-check.
20:45<SeveredHead>Yep, still does it.
20:46<mbrush>i'd love to fix that ...
20:46<mbrush>makes lots of sites unusable
20:46<error3>yes I have this bug too :-/
20:46<mbrush>so many sites have flash right under the main menu
20:46<error3>if someone have a fix, i'm interesting in !
20:47<mbrush>I'm too lazy to browse the code and fix it ... it's something with the order in the DOM i bet
20:47<mbrush>like the Zorder when rendering
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20:51<mbrush>hour 4 of 'make -k check'
20:51<SeveredHead>4 hours to compile the compiler?
20:51<SeveredHead>That seems...wrong.
20:51<mbrush>it's in a VM
20:51<mbrush>maybe why?
20:52<SeveredHead>Could very well be.
20:52<SeveredHead>Why are you compiling gcc?
20:52<mbrush>building linux from scratch
20:52<mbrush>(using the LFS book)
20:52<SeveredHead>Ah. Cool.
20:52<SeveredHead>I'd like to do that someday.
20:52<SeveredHead>For now, I'm too damn lazy. ^__^
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20:53<mbrush>it's just punching in commands ... they just did all the work for you ... tell you which parameters to pass during commands and whatnot
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20:53<mbrush>really well done
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20:55<mbrush>it's kinda annoying though because i'll have a non-portable super minimal install in a VM that i have to wrap up and export and attempt to make it work on other computes
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20:55<mbrush>i should've just done it on my target computer
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21:06<Zloog>Hi, where should I put a downloaded emacs .el file so that auto-load can find it?
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21:50<acu>suddenly my hard disk is working continuosly and I do not know why - I open system monitor but not notice anything interesting there - I have 2 GB RAM and 2 GB swap - I wonder if anyone can tell me what's going on (I use lenny on AMD 64 2X)
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21:51<oxymor00n>acu: maybe a cronjob is running, like updatedb
21:52<oxymor00n>have a look if a find-process is running
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21:54<acu>I used lyx to write a paper and it behaved strangely - I shut it down now - but I wonder if that did not triger anything - oxymor00n - I do not see it in system montitor is any other way ?
21:55<acu>now is too slow - maybe I should reboot ?
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21:56<rapid>Hey guys
21:56<rapid>Is anyone around?
21:57<jello>!tell rapid about ask
21:57<rapid>lol thanks jello
21:57<rapid>I just was looking for someone to private msg so I don't bother others
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21:58<oxymor00n>acu: hm. i doubt lyx would cause that.. my guess would be that locate is updating its db
21:58<jello>rapid: you can always pm the bot...
21:59<imperia>tried running 'top'?
21:59<oxymor00n>he's gone
22:00<imperia>ah k
22:00<oxymor00n>and i should probably go too, spent way too much time with gnus
22:00<jello>rapid: don't pm people in the channel without asking first
22:01<jello>it's rude
22:01<thepretender84>i am trying to setup dnsmasq, but it will not give out any leases
22:01<imperia>so what is good console client irc client for deb?
22:01<jello>imperia: irssi
22:01<rapid>jello: Sorry, didn't know, most IRC channels don't have such rules.
22:01<thepretender84>i have looked at the daemon.log, but there aren't any errors listed
22:01<oxymor00n>imperia: i used weechat for a while
22:01<jello>rapid: it's in the /topic
22:01<imperia>but is irssi in debian repo?
22:02<imperia>or 3rd party?
22:02<oxymor00n>imperia: sure
22:02<jello>imperia: most certainly
22:02<rapid>jello: Perhaps I should read the topic then ;-)
22:02<jello>that always helps when joining a channel...
22:02<jello>that's why we have them
22:03<oxymor00n> :) now i'm a happy camper
22:03<rapid>Well, regardless, is it OK if I PM you then?
22:03<imperia>ah i was searching to install it but it was not avialable in testing.. only in stable .. just like bitchx
22:03<jello>rapid: regarding what?
22:04<rapid>I've been a Gentoo user for about six years. I don't know if you are aware of the current situation, but it appears that the distro is on the verge of failing. I was seriously considering switching to Debian on my production machines, but I had a couple of questions about Debian that I was hoping you could answer.
22:04<Hideo>damn that looks nice oxymor00n, does it have shadow like that by default?
22:04<jello>imperia: eh? it's in lenny
22:04<rapid>As you can probably tell, the Gentoo IRC channel has different conventions, I meant no disrespect by PMing you without asking.
22:04<oxymor00n>Hideo: that's xcompmgr
22:04<rapid>These aren't really questions that can be googled, and several of them are rather subjective...I wouldn't waste your time on things I could find the answer to myself.
22:05<jello>so just ask here in the channel
22:05<imperia>jello: lenny is testing? or?
22:05<jello>you'll get better answers b/c more ppl can answer
22:05<jello>and others can learn at the same time
22:05<jello>imperia: yes, lenny is testing
22:05<rapid>Ok, sure! Thanks.
22:05<imperia>but apt-get install irssi does not find it
22:05<jello>imperia: cat /etc/debian_version, if you're not sure what you're running
22:06<jello>imperia: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
22:06<imperia>i know that in /etc/apt/sources.list there is only one entry... testing
22:06<rapid>Ok, so first I was wondering about the size of Debian's main apt repository. I can't find a definite size and was wondering if it's larger/smaller than portage.
22:06<jello>imperia: have you run apt-get update recently?
22:06<jello>rapid: see
22:06<SeveredHead>main is like 22 thousand packages, no?
22:07<imperia>jello: i checked it says only in stable? are u sure its in testing too?
22:07<SeveredHead>I seem to recall seeing that number somewhere in synaptic.
22:07<imperia>let me check
22:08<rapid>Ok, cool. Also, what about using third aprty repositories. If I add an external repository and then use a package from there that is also in main, how does version control work on that package?
22:08<oxymor00n>rapid: highest version wins
22:08<jello>$ grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/ | wc -l
22:09<oxymor00n>rapid: for more control there's pinning
22:09<imperia>hmm.. is testing=lenny? maybe i should try lenny in sources.list?
22:09<rapid>oxymor00n: what's pinning?
22:09<jello>oxymor00n: more complicated than that depending on apt pinning and such
22:09<jello>imperia: shouldn't matter
22:10<rapid>oxymor00n: actually, nevermind, that i can google
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22:10<oxymor00n>rapid: basically saying a repo is "more important", but google it, there's a howto, that explains it way better
22:10<rapid>oxymor00n: Interesting, thanks
22:11<jello>rapid: if you run stable, there's also run by various DDs
22:11<rapid>jello: presumably backports is newer software backported to stable?
22:11<jello>generally by the same DD who packaged it for stable
22:12<jello>er, unstable
22:12<rapid>i see
22:12<rapid>now are the backports generally considered stable?
22:12<imperia>i just switched to stable and did apt-get update.. now i switched back to unstable and now i am apt-get update(ing) .. will see if i can install it
22:12<jello>i run some of them on my production machines
22:13<jello>imperia: just download the deb and dpkg -i
22:13<jello>assuming that apt is otherwise functioning properly...
22:13<rapid>excellent, i don't know if this is still the case but last time I used debian stable was a bit outdated for various packages
22:13<imperia>it is.. strange its not finding it with apt-get install
22:13<jello>rapid: it can get that way...
22:14<jello>we'll probably release lenny as stable towards the end of 2008 or beginning of 2009
22:14<rapid>right now etch is stable right?
22:14<jello>imperia: bad mirror?
22:14<jello>rapid: correct
22:15<jello>rapid: and it will receive security updates for 18 months after lenny releases, iirc
22:15<imperia>deb testing main contrib non-free is it ok?
22:15<jello>should be...
22:15<rapid>which gives me ample time to migrate to lenny
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22:15<imperia>99% of update....
22:16<jello>i tend to upgrade at some point during the testing freeze...
22:17<imperia>omg apt-get install irssi found it.. thx jello <3
22:17<RIVE>¿Anyone with a Dell 1520 with Nvidia video?, can't make it sleep.
22:17<jello>imperia: np
22:17*jello runs intel graphics...
22:17<rapid>RIVE: can't make teh computer sleep?
22:17<kop>rapid: There's always
22:18<kop>!tell imperia -about aptitude
22:18<rapid>kop: very cool
22:18<RIVE>Letme turnii on if you need more info.
22:19<rapid>is testing also considered pretty stable?
22:19<kop>rapid: It's my plan. I've not gone there yet, but will when I get around to it.
22:19<jello>rapid: it breaks every so often, i wouldn't recommend it for mission-critical servers, but it's fine for home desktops run by somewhat literate folks
22:20<kop>rapid: Welllll... Yes. But things do break, and you don't know when they'll break. Which means something stays broken until it's fixed "pretty soon.".
22:20*kop prefers stable, but is stodgy.
22:20<jello>#debian, now buzzword-compliant ;D
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22:21<imperia>can you help me with that.. i got it after kernel upgrade: debian:~# /etc/init.d/lvm2 stop
22:21<imperia>Shutting down LVM Volume Groups Can't deactivate volume group "debian" with 2 open logical volume(s)
22:21<imperia> failed!
22:21<imperia>it always says failed
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22:21<rapid>yeah, I'll probably stick with stable then, I really can't afford much downtime
22:21<rapid>I was also wondering, I need to maintain a custom kernel. I see that Debian recommends you install it as a dpkg...I would prefer to find a repository that only contains the kernel source so taht I can compile it myself. Thus I would have no binary kernel package on my system, is that allowed, or will apt freak out if it doesn't have a binary kernel package listed as installed?
22:21<kop>imperia: Near as I can tell, and I'm not an expert, that does not matter when it's about the last thing you see when shutting down the system.
22:22<kop>imperia : My boxes have been doing that and there's no issues. It happens when your running / on lvm.
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22:22<rapid>RIVE: does it not enter sleep mode, or does it not wake from sleep
22:22<imperia_>here we are
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22:23<RIVE>Does not enter to sleep mode.
22:23<jello>rapid: use kernel-package
22:23<dpkg>make-kpkg is probably the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
22:23<RIVE>Thanks for the help i have to give mi son his medicine, have to left a minutes.
22:23<RIVE>Be back.
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22:24<rapid>RIVE: What happens when you try?
22:24<jello>rapid: you should probably read the debian faq at some point
22:24<rapid>jello: Why is that superior to managing on my own?
22:24<blarson>rapid: Debian works fine when kernel compiled without kernel-package, as long as it has all the needed drivers/modules, and the boot loader likes it.
22:24<jello>rapid: read chapter 10 of the faq :)
22:24<RIVE>Thaks for the hel have to leave a few minutes, sorry.
22:25<blarson>boot loaders need to know if it is an initrd kernel. (and if it is, you need to build the initrd.)
22:25<Corrine>does anybody know the bot trigger for the site with ebian stable and newer jernels?
22:25<jello>rapid: chapter 3 talks about stable vs. testing/unstable
22:25<blarson>Simplest just to use make-kpkg
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22:25<jello>Corrine: you mean ?
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22:25<Corrine>it's for a netinstall cd
22:25<hachi>anyone know where I can get a dbus xorg rules file?
22:25<kop>rapid : The short answer is that there's a reason why we use package managers, even though any particular piece of software could easily be installed from source.
22:26<jello>rapid: because it's nicely integrated into the package mgmt system
22:26<Corrine>the stable kernel won't work with my southbridge
22:26<jello>rapid: it also allows you to create the package once, and then easily deploy to multiple machines
22:26<hachi>I'm trying to speak to x via dbus and the dbus daemon prevents me because it has no rule set
22:26<sscs>hello, trying to set up a wifi network with debian, i have the drivers installed, but i can't get the wifi card to stay avtive or locate my wifi network, anyone wanna lend me a hand?
22:26<kop>Corrine : I think it begins with an "m"....
22:26<jello>sscs: which wifi card / driver?
22:27<jello>hachi: ask google ?
22:27<sscs>jello: braodcom airforce one / broadcom 43xx
22:27<kop>Corrine : You could /msg dpkg with help. That might help.
22:27<hachi>already started
22:27<hachi>sadly, I don't know what the file would be called
22:27<jello>sscs: sorry, can't help with that one...
22:28<sscs>jello: yea i'm stuck in the mud with this one
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22:28<hachi>there are a whole 12 matches on google that I can find
22:28<hachi>none of which are what I'm looking for
22:28<kop>sscs: broadcoms are notoriously Free-Software unfriendly. Which does not mean there's not an easy answer.
22:29<hachi>is there a way to tell dbus to relax all its rules?
22:29<jello>hachi: check out
22:29<imperia>how do i resolve this: The following packages have been kept back: cupsys gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg hal libdjvulibre15 libsvga1 libxine1 vbetool
22:29<imperia>when running apt-get
22:29<rapid>I guess my real issue, is that I don't want debian reverting to the debian-compiled kernel if it's newer than the one I already compiled, is it possible to prevent that, perhaps by pinning?
22:29<sscs>kop: yea i noticed, i had a hell of the time getting the drivers for it, now i'm just stuck on getting it to actually connect
22:30<jello>rapid: it won't change kernels on you automatically
22:30<mzhang>anybody got cpufreq to work on q6600 (amd64)?
22:30<kop>imperia : That's the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade. (Note that aptitude has the same issue and is now preferred.)
22:30<rapid>jello: ok, great
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22:30<kop>imperia : The debian reference manual at explains all.
22:30<rapid>jello: I am reading the FAQ right now
22:31<rapid>I also had a few questions about debian vs ubuntu
22:31<jello>ooooooh boy...
22:31<patricio>hey guys......I am needin help with 'mrtg'......I have 'apt-get installed' it, and am confused on configuration......could someone please assist?
22:31<imperia>i am going to check it now if i can understand it
22:31<rapid>haha i know :-D
22:31<sscs>broadcom bcm43xx, having trouble getting it to connect to a wifi network, anyone know anything?
22:31<hachi>jello: sadly, I'm left with a PDA to read that :
22:32<hachi>I'm trying to read it now
22:32<rapid>Now, ubuntu started as a debian fork and ubuntu packages are maintained separately from debian packages, are they generally more stable than debian packages (since different patches are applied)?
22:32<hachi>jello: that page has nothing to do with xorg rules
22:33<kop>rapid (jello): The way I work it with aptitude is to tell aptitude that the specific kernel I'm running is _not_ installed automatically. Then it stays installed when new kernels are available.
22:33<hachi>I thank you for trying to tell me what dbus is, however I already know
22:34<jello>rapid: not necessarily more stable
22:34<rapid>kop: That is exactly what I want to do...I will just do it that way then
22:34<jello>i think they only stipulate that for part of their LTS releases
22:34<sscs>broadcom bcm43xx, having trouble getting it to connect to a wifi network, anyone know anything?
22:34<kop>rapid: From listening to the conversation here people think that ubuntu is much less dedicated to stability than Debian.
22:34<rapid>kop: That is also my impression of the whole situation
22:34<jello>hachi: i thought the article had examples and a discussion of the security model
22:36<jello>NB: you will only get new kernels in debian if you install the appropriate package to point to the latest kernel (eg. linux-image-2.6-686)
22:37<imperia>so i should run apt-get dist-upgrade or even better aptitude?
22:37<jello>imperia: not necessarily
22:37<jello>dist-upgrade can certainly break things
22:37<rapid>oh, that brings up a question I have as well...I noticed debian's packages are marked i386, is it true that they are only optimized for 386 processors (they don't contain optimizations for other processors)?
22:37<jello>upgrade is guaranteed not to...
22:37<kop>rapid: (And I tell aptitude that I something very generic like "2.6" is also _not_ installed automatically, then let it automatically install the latest without un-installing the one that's running.) The only thing I'm unclear on at the moment is the boot loader. I _think_ it's keeping my "chosen" kernel as the default, but I forget. There's a way to mess with /boot/grub/menu.lst and get it to do the right thing but I forget....
22:37<jello>rapid: no, it's a misnomer at this pont
22:38<imperia>jello: what about aptitude? same case?
22:38<jello>imperia: yes
22:38<rapid>jello: good, that sort of put me off to be honest
22:38<jello>rapid: i think it's at least 486+, but i could be behind the times...
22:38<imperia>so how to deal with packages that are "kept back"?
22:38<chump_>i have a computer that is running NTFS dynamic spanned volumes and windows is saying that the disks have failed they spin up and spinrite has returned no issues do youguys think i can salvage the data with linux?
22:39<kop>imperia : But the thing about dist-upgrade, is that you need to do it eventually. It may mean that some things break because they're no longer maintained, replaced by something newer, or whatever. Sooner or later you do it and work with the results.
22:39<rapid>ok, great
22:40<jello>chump_: it's possible, won't give odds though...
22:40<imperia>kop: i will run it now and see what will happend
22:40<jello>imperia: you can always back out before it does the real damage :)
22:40<imperia>ctrl-c ? :)
22:40<kop>imperia : The other reason aptitude is preferred is that it's better at guessing what the right thing to do is on dist-upgrade.
22:40<imperia>now? :)
22:40<chump_>jello: thats not good its 1 tera of data
22:41<chump_>thats not backed up :(
22:41<jello>chump_: well, that's lesson #1...
22:41<kop>imperia : It should say something like 'continue with this upgrade', and if you say no it won't make changes.
22:41<rapid>why do people choose ubuntu over debian, I can't really see any clear cut advantages to ubuntu except that some packages are newer in some isntances
22:41<patricio>is there anyone that can help me with the configuration of 'mrtg'.......
22:41<jello>chump_: you should still try it, you'll probably get something
22:41<chump_>yeah its not my drives its a buddy's
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22:41<chump_>oh i'm going to try it
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22:42<chump_>its just sucks if we lose data i'm not sure how dynamic writes information to the drives
22:42<kop>rapid : It's because stable is stable for soooooo long that people want newer stuff. I think that's it.
22:42<imperia>kop: question is should i do aptitude dist-upgrade to fix that old packages.. or how to fix them? maybe with -autoremove option?
22:42<chump_>like does it start writing to drive 2 once drive one is filled
22:42<chump_>or no
22:42<Corrine>okay, now how do I get a iso onto a dvd?
22:42<rapid>kop: that makes sense
22:42<kop>imperia : What do youmean "fix old packages?"
22:43<kop>imperia : The ones that are "kept back" will be upgraded with dist-upgrade, yes.
22:43<rapid>ok, so I have one final question, and that is about the project management
22:43<imperia>so i will do it then
22:43<rapid>do the developers tend to get along with each other and does debian have clear leadership?
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22:44<kop>Corrine : I'm sure there's help for that on in the install manual. There must be.
22:44<jello>Corrine: use k3b or dvdrecord
22:44<kop>rapid: Dunno. It's been going a long time, so it must work.
22:45<Corrine>those will only burn the iso to cds
22:45<jello>rapid: mostly
22:45<Corrine>and I don't have any
22:45<jello>rapid: but then, what do you expect me to say :)
22:45<jello>Corrine: er, no
22:45<kop>Corrine : wodin (aka cdrecord) also burns dvds. I'd expect the gui tools to do the same.
22:45<rapid>jello: lol ask a gentoo person that and you will have a much different answer
22:46*jello never understood the point of gentoo
22:46<Corrine>yes, I can burn dvds with those programs
22:46<rapid>we have a mass developer exodus bi-weekly, nobody gets along, and as of now the gentoo foundation's charter has been revoked because the council didn't file the appropriate paperwork
22:46<Corrine>no, they will not burn a cd iso to one
22:46<jello>hmm, must have missed that on lwn...
22:46<rapid>there is a user uprising, and we missed our last release deadline, the homepage hasn't been updated in months and the weekly news letter is three months old
22:47<jello>well, we don't have a weekly newsletter anymore
22:47<jello>but we still manage :)
22:47*jello misses DWN...
22:47<Hideo>yeah I miss the DWM
22:47<kop>Corrine : Well, there's wodin from the command line. It's pretty painless.
22:47<kop>Me too.
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22:48<jello>but there have been replacements along the way
22:48<rapid>lol it's not that they don't have a weekly newsletter that's the problem, it's that they are supposed to but don't maintain it...all they need to do is discontinue it if it's becoming a problem, then nobody will expect it
22:48<hachi>"The name org.x.config.display0 was not provided by any .service files"
22:48<hachi>anyone know what system this message comes from? I swear I have dbus configured and restarted it
22:48<kop>Corrine : I think all you need on the wodin line are input file, dvd device, and the -data is assumed. But it's always a pain the first time figuring it out. (Have you checked the install manual?)
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22:49<Hideo>kop: it's wodim
22:49<kop>Hideo , Corrine : Oops.
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22:52<kop>Corrine : Are you in the the cdrom group? Not having permissions will keep you from burning. (A re-login is required after adding a new group to a user.)
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22:52<rapid>Oh, actually, I lied, I have another question. Once I compile a custom kernel I need to use a binary driver (ipw3945)...will I need to download this and compile it manually?
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22:53<jello>rapid: for that one in particular (and a bunch of others), just use module-assistant
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22:53<rapid>Great, I will google that...thanks
22:53<kop>!tell rapid -about module-assistant
22:54<jello>rapid: see the ipw3945-source package
22:54<rapid>perfect, that is exactly waht I will need
22:54<kop>rapid : And see the /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian file if it exists.
22:55<jello>rapid: that's the good thing about Debian; if you need it, someone else probably does to and may have already packaged it :)
22:56<kop>Uh, how do i get the channel topic in irc?
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22:56<rapid>jello: It appears so XD
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22:56<jello>kop: /topic
22:56<jello>at least in irssi...
22:57<kop>jello : Thanks.
22:57<imperia>how do i connect multiple server in irssi
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22:57<rapid>Yeah, this sounds to be exactly what I want to switch to. I am installing it now.
22:57<jello>you mean multiple chatnets ?
22:57<hachi>imperia: /connect
22:57<jello>rapid: no more questions? :)
22:58<imperia>like and in same time?
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22:58<rapid>jello: That should do it, thanks to everyone for all the help!
22:58<hachi> /server implicitly changes the server you're already connected to, /connect adds another one
22:58<hachi>you can also do something like /server
22:58<hachi>but I don't remember the details of that
22:58<kop>How do you get irssi to put the /msg and, preferably, all the other output in one "window" so there's no switching back and forth required?
22:58<rapid>I'm not used to irc channels being this friendly, in #gentoo asking this many questions would potentially get me kicked or at the very least flamed
22:59<kop>rapid : We've got some testy characters.
22:59<jello>rapid: welcome to #debian, if you don't act stupid we're a helpful bunch
23:00<imperia>... /server did it .. thanks
23:00<Requiem>cdrecord works perfect off the command line, thanks
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23:01<hachi>anyone know how to kick dbus in the pants and follow my rulesets?
23:01<kop>Requiem : cdrecord is now replaced by wodim, but runs under the same name for the time being. It'll eventually go away. FYI.
23:01<RIVE>Sorry for leaving when were helping me but there a few things more important than Debian
23:01<jello>RIVE: surely you jest!
23:02<rapid>Does an encrypted LVM interfere with sleep mode, a while back I read that it does
23:02<jello>rapid: dunno, giyf
23:03<Requiem>why'd they change the name?
23:03<jello>Requiem: licensing conflict
23:03<kop>Requiem : Change in maintainer. They got sick of the original guy and the project forked. It's a personality thing.
23:04<kop>jello: (I guess you know more details than I.)
23:04<Requiem>well hurray for OSS code bases then
23:05<kop>Requiem : The other thing that could keep you from burning with a gui is that your user must be in the cdrom group to burn. (I think that's it.)
23:05<Requiem>no, no problems likr that
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23:05<Requiem>can burn fine, k3b just insists on having a cd for a cd iso
23:06<Requiem>anyway, osri time
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23:17<imperia>dist-upgrade is don't i guess i have to restart to enjoy the mess :)
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23:18<rapid>Ok, well I have officially switched to Debian now!
23:18<jello>imperia: you shouldn't have to reboot
23:18<imperia>rapid: good move
23:18<rapid>Thanks imperia
23:19<imperia>jello: i have some issue if you have any ideas.. to use my floppy i have to add pnpbios=off in grub....
23:19<rapid>I only have a lot more work to do getting it set up in the usual way now ;_)
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23:19<kop>imperia : Well, _usually_ you shouldn't have t reboot or re-login, but occassionally there are programs that can't be restarted, like say X, with out logging you out.
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23:20<kop>!tell eduardo -about ask
23:20<imperia>i use console only right now.. just wanted to me you about my pnpbios floppy problem...
23:20<jello>kop: even that's not a restart...
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23:20<kop>imperia : What's the problem? Sounds ok so far.
23:21<imperia>1 sec.. i am digging thru dmesg
23:21<eduardo>folks - I'm always confused by what goes into sources.list and how to figure out what to put there to get what i want (eg i want mysql right now!) what can i read so i am not confused by this any longer?
23:22<rapid>eduardo: One sec, I'll find something for you
23:22<imperia>if i dont use pnpbios=off in grub i get this in dmesg:
23:22<imperia>Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
23:22<imperia>floppy0: Floppy io-port 0x03f2 in use
23:22<eduardo>rapid - thanks!
23:22<rapid>eduardo: actually, if you want to PM go ahead and I can explain it to you
23:22<kop>jello : Yah. Kernel upgrade requires reboot. Offhand I can't think what else. It might be eaiser to reboot when upgrading some libraries than to know what-all might need restarting.
23:22<eduardo>rapid ok! let me get off the chan an PM you
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23:22<kop>eduardo : You want the debian reference at There's a section on apt.
23:23<jello>eduardo: read chapter 3 of debian faq --
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23:23<kop>jello : he left. Impatient.
23:23<lamby>He's left.. :s Why do people go to pms for that?
23:23<jello>#gentoo training...
23:23<jello>aparently that's how they operate there...
23:24<imperia>if i use pnpbios=off then the floppy is working and i get the following in dmesg:
23:24<imperia>Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
23:24<imperia>FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
23:24<jello>imperia: use a pastebin
23:24<defi0n>#gentoo is actually a channel here check it out hehe
23:24<imperia>jello: what's that?
23:24<rapid>imperia: it's my problem
23:24<kop>!tell imperia -about paste
23:24<jello>!tell imperia about pastebin
23:25<imperia>ah sorry :(
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23:26<javo>hi. when i boot my pc, there is a period of time between text-based commands are displayed and kdm login is shown, in witch i see my screen in a bad resolution. There is a way to fix it?
23:27<kop>imperia : Sounds like a ISA bus/bios issue. One way to solve it is to set jumpers on your motherboard to fix the I/O port. cat /proc/ioports will tell you what devices are using what ports. You've a conflict somehow and plug and play is not playing nice.
23:27<jello>kop: probably can be fixed via BIOS
23:27<rapid>javo: you mean after the "text commands" and before kdm
23:27<javo>rapid: yes
23:28<imperia>kop: its some laptop.. no jumpers.
23:28<rapid>what do you mean by "bad resolution" and how long does it stay that way?
23:28<kop>jello : Your right. (I'm leery of bios. It always bites me. And every new bios has a new stupid built-in.)
23:28<imperia>about that pastebin.. whats the idea? i paste there and you see my message?
23:28<kop>imperia : You paste there. It gives you a url. You paste that here and we go look. (Be sure to scroll up, more comment for you.)
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23:29<imperia>ok thanks..
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23:29<imperia>i have noticed one more thing:
23:29<javo>rapid: its about 3 seconds more or less, and i see like interlined moving lines... sorry but im not so skilled with english
23:30<javo>just after text based and pevious than login screen
23:30<kop>javo : Ah. I've seen that. Never worried about it. So I'm curious about the answer to your question.
23:30<imperia>cs: io port probe always shows different results in dmesg
23:31<javo>kop: do you have the same issue ?
23:31<kop>imperia : Could be a race condition, depending on what hardware happens to come up first.
23:31<kop>javo: I have, but I can't remember on what box. Nothing that's in front of me now.
23:31<rapid>javo: It's probably your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (or, it might be called XF86Config or somesuch)
23:31<javo>it happens also whit gdm
23:32<kop>rapid, javo: I bet it's X testing for higher resolutions than (maybe) your monitor supports.
23:32<imperia>i guess its bios issue but there is no better bios for this laptop :(
23:33<rapid>kop: That is the most likely issue
23:33<rapid>although it could be mode line that is invalid
23:33<kop>javo: So then the thing to do would be to go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf (make a backup!!) and get rid of the highest resolutions until the problem goes away. First see /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It should tell you what resolutions (or whatever) it's testing that are not working.
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23:34<javo>my xorg.conf shows it is set as 1680x1050 which is the correct resolution for me
23:35<rapid>kop: remove all other resolutions from the resolutions lines
23:35<kop>javo : The thing is, if you get a better monitor or something you'll want the old config back. You may also be assisted by running "dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system" (I think.) That may give you choices in checkboxes and be easier.
23:36<javo>thanks kop!
23:36<javo>and thanks rapid!
23:36<kop>javo: Or maybe it's xserver-xorg that's the package to dpkg-reconfigure.
23:36<jello>yes, xserver-xorg
23:37<rapid>oh yeah, actually, we should ahve told him to back up his xorg.conf file first :-D
23:37<kop>rapid : I did, but it was buried in other comment. (Reminds me of "writing for readers", which is right up there with "the manual of style" in how to write and be understood.)
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23:39<kop>javo : I'd keep the lower resolutions because you monitor might break and you might want to plug in something cheap and have video. (That's also why I always like the i386 kernels install too, just incase I've got to move the drives to alternate hardware.)
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23:40<javo>i also have a file named xorg.conf.20071011211239 :S
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23:40<kop>javo: It's a backup. That's a timestamp on the end, year first.
23:41<javo>kop: you say keep 1680x1050 and 640x480 ?
23:41<kop>javo : Up to you. I'd keep from 1680x1050 on down. The lower ones should not hurt.
23:42<javo>actually my xorg.conf ony list 1680x1050 :S
23:42<kop>javo: It's an issue with your monitor. It can't support some horizontal or vertical refresh intervals would be my guess.
23:43<rapid>javo: how big of an issue is this for you?
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23:43<kop>javo: Take a look at the log output. It'll be confusing. Use a pastebin and we can look and see what's being tried by X and not working.
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23:44<kop>javo : (I never worried about it) _Something's_ being tried by X that's making the screen go wonky. (wonky means strange)
23:44<javo>is not important, because i can use my computer perfectly, but i always was curious on why those 3 secs were not shown appropiately
23:45<kop>javo: Slog through the log. (Slog means to move slowly with effort.)
23:46<rapid>kop: lol
23:46<rapid>kop: I think he either doesn't have his hsync/vsync ranges set properly, or that X is trying other resolutions before 1680x1050
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23:50<rapid>it's about that simple
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23:51<javo>there is a big list of "Not using default mode ****x*** (lot of resolutions that not use) an after that says "Virtual size is 1680x1050 (pitch 1728)
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23:51<jello>probably the refresh values are out of whack...
23:51<rapid>Well, I am genuinely surprised...on my new debian installation, my screen resolution of 1366x768 was automatically detected
23:52<javo>(**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1680x1050": 147.1 MHz, 65.2 kHz, 60.0 Hz
23:52<javo>(II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1680x1050" 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087
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23:52<javo>i think is appears to be ok
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23:53<RIVE>Hello kurumin.
23:54<kurumin>como vai
23:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:54<rapid>non c'e male grazie, e Lei?
23:55<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
23:55<dpkg>from memory, en is english
23:57<imperia>now after dist-upgrade which method should i use for daily updates??? safe-upgrade option?
23:58<jello>imperia: dist-upgrade unless it tries to remove half the system... :)
23:58<jello>in which case switch to upgrade for a few days until it gets sorted out
23:58<kop>imperia : "upgrade" is "safe".
23:59<imperia>jello: hahah ok
23:59<kop>imperia : I'm curious. You running lenny?
23:59<imperia>lenny/sid it says testing repo
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23:59<RIVE>So if is sfae, why the guarning of safe-upgrade?
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