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---Logopened Tue Jan 15 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<defi0n>try this
00:00<defi0n>dpkg xorg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
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00:01<jesse-ha>dpkg: need an action option
00:01<defi0n>oh okay
00:02<defi0n>sorry, these commands are hard to remember ;)
00:02<defi0n>try this
00:02<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
00:02<defi0n>yeah THATS it :P
00:02<defi0n>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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00:03<jesse-ha>something came up..., definitely good sign :P
00:03<defi0n>now that should guide you through the X window configuration
00:03<jesse-ha>saving that command in notepad lol
00:03<defi0n>yeh, i do that that
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00:04<jesse-ha>have to double check gateways site to verify my video card lol :P
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00:20<posix>What's the best practice for installing ttf fonts on Lenny?
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00:24<thepretender84>i followed the instructions on sun's site for installing java, but I can't get it to work with iceweasel
00:25<thepretender84>anyone have an idea what is wrong?
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00:28<jesse-ha>Ok so I spent awhile carefully going through that x-window setup however I still get the "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" Do I need to start something beforehand??
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00:37<dli>!tell thepretender84 about java
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00:42<pochako>alguien me puede ayudar
00:42<pochako>someone help me
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00:43<dli>!tell pochako about es
00:43<pochako>my wireless in laptop hp 1325la
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00:44<condector>hi, about hal usage and gnome
00:44<pochako>i cant conected a internet from my wireless
00:45<condector>why the command pm-suspend work with root in console mode
00:45<condector>but now with gnome??
00:45<condector>another question, acer5610 have a fdi enter but the keycodes not work..
00:45<pochako>im conecting from ethernet cable modem
00:46<pochako>i dont, conected from my wireless
00:46<condector>iwlist scan
00:46<condector>try this to scan a wifi ap
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00:48<pochako>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
00:48<pochako>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
00:48<pochako>sit0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
00:49<condector>what your wifi device?
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00:50<pochako>I do not see my interface,
00:50<pochako>And install the firmware of my card wireles
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00:52<pochako>ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0mq
00:52<pochako>ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation
00:52<gsimmons>!tell pochako -about ipw2200
00:53<chump_>is hosted on a different server now or comething?
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00:53<pochako>I do not recognize my wireleess in debian
00:54<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
00:54<pochako>ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2
00:54<pochako>ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2
00:54<pochako>ipw2200: failed to register network device
00:55<dli>pochako, you didn't read message from dpkg
00:56<kcynice>when i install a software from the source,type ./ told me that,no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH.
00:57<kcynice>"configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
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00:58<kcynice>What should I do?
00:58<condector>apt-get install build-essential
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01:00<kcynice>if i should install gcc?
01:00<kcynice>condector:"apt-get install build-essential" to me?
01:01<dpkg>rumour has it, build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit
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01:09<jesse-ha>Anyone know how to change the res in x? I try to change it in the configuration using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg however the resolution always defaults to a small one (I'm using vga).
01:10<zoraxian_>you try alt del + key?
01:10<jesse-ha>what does that do?
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01:11<zoraxian_>and have the correct drivers for vid card?
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01:11<jesse-ha>im just using vga mode
01:11<zoraxian_>the keys change the res
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01:11<jesse-ha>so what keys do i hit exactly to change the res?
01:11<zoraxian_>what vid card and monitor?
01:12<zoraxian_>alt and control at the same time then tap + on the numeric
01:12<kcynice>after excuting "apt-get install build-essential",there is another error occur:
01:12<zoraxian_>you using Debian?
01:13<kcynice>checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
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01:13<zoraxian_>ok, I had little luck with older Deb, Vid and sound issues, using Ubuntu Studio now
01:14<zoraxian_>are your drivers correct?
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01:14<jesse-ha>i have none atm
01:14<jesse-ha>but vga would be fine if the vga was big enough
01:14<kcynice>it seems that i need a XMP parser,which package should i install?
01:15<jesse-ha>the resolution i mena
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01:15<zoraxian_>well be sure you have the correct drivers first
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01:15<zoraxian_>what card jesse?
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01:16<jesse-ha>Onboard ATI M71-S This is the link to the hardware if it helps:
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01:17<zoraxian_>get drivers for Linux from the card manufacturer: ATI
01:17<zoraxian_>gGateway will have have them
01:18<zoraxian_>will not have them
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01:19<zoraxian_>jesse, You good with the terminal?
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01:22<zl2tod>jesse-ha, I think it'd be easier for you to do the installation again and do a full workstation installation rather than a minimal command prompt one
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01:23<chump_>is debian working on anything like Mac's Time machine?
01:24<jm_>that would be cool, I'd like to go back in time from time to time
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01:24<chump_>i'dlike to hit woodstock maybe
01:25<chump_>seriously though does debian have anything close to this?
01:26<jm_>what does it do?
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01:43<markybob>i was just in #debian on freenode...and i now want to kill myself :(
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01:44<markybob>this must've been what it felt like to be a mayan when it started to fall
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02:07<jesse-ha>anyone know how to change the resolution in x before or while its running?
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02:08<Leggendino>good morning
02:08<Leggendino>i have one problem
02:08<Leggendino>can somebody help me?
02:08<Andrew>quick question guys. I'm trying to audit a server for some stuff, where would I find out if someone tried to log in to a server using single-user mode. Would it be in a log file somewhere? Assuming they didn't cover their tracks.
02:09<zl2tod>Leggendino, only if you actually ask a question
02:10<Leggendino>my debian server is crashed
02:10<Leggendino>now i have start with
02:10<Andrew>in /var/log/secure maybe?
02:10<Leggendino>how can i do to rescue the system?
02:10<Leggendino>which command can i use?
02:11<zl2tod>Andrew, good luck. I think if syslog, auth and secure have nothing there will be very little ... perhaps a hardware keylogger on the keyboard cable would suit you.
02:11<zl2tod>in which way has it crashed Leggendino, how far does it get through the boot process ?
02:11<Andrew>thanks tod, though it may be a bit late for that :)
02:11<Leggendino>Linux rescuecd #1 SMP Wed Dec 6 16:49:35 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
02:12<Leggendino>i don't know
02:12<Leggendino>it's a server
02:12<Leggendino>i have only ssh acces
02:12<Andrew>which auth do you refer to btw zl2tod?
02:12<Leggendino>yesterday i rebooted the system and it doesn't come up again
02:12<zl2tod>Leggendino, a rescue cd is going to be no use if you have no physical access
02:12<jm_>jesse-ha: the answer is clearly no
02:13<zl2tod>jesse-ha, try ctrl alt + and ctrl alt -
02:13<Leggendino>but i have sent an email to the farm and it start the server manually with rescue cd
02:13<Leggendino>now i have to rescue the system
02:13<zl2tod>Leggendino, only the farm can help you
02:13<jm_>Leggendino: start by trying to mount /
02:15<jesse-ha>those hotkeys are not working, its typing characters on the screen...
02:15<Leggendino>jm_ can you write me the entire command?
02:16<jm_>Leggendino: nope
02:16<jm_>jesse-ha: ctrl-alt-<grey + or -> or use xrandr
02:16<jesse-ha>What is xrandr?
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02:16<jm_>man xrandr
02:16<dli>Leggendino, mount partitions and read syslog first
02:17<jm_>Leggendino: cat /proc/partitions ; ls /sys/block
02:17<zl2tod>jesse-ha, are you sure you actually have Xwindows running ... does it look like a windows machine ?
02:18<Leggendino>jm_ i have done this now^?
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02:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
02:18<jm_>Leggendino: read the output
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02:19<jesse-ha>on xrandr the -s option when it asks for size, width, and height what does size correspond to?
02:20<dli>Leggendino, mkdir -p /mnt/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
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02:20<jm_>read the man page - -q option shows sizes
02:21<dpkg>methinks foomatic is a printing system designed to make it easier to set up common printers for use with Debian (and other operating systems). See for details.
02:23<dli>Leggendino, do you have /mnt/hda1/var/log/syslog? vi -R /mnt/hda1/var/log/syslog
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02:23<Leggendino>yes i have
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02:24<Leggendino>but it's empty
02:24<jm_>also check /mnt/hda1/var/log/boot if you have it
02:24<Leggendino>i paste on the site
02:24<dli>Leggendino, read it, the last lines may say what went wrong
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02:26<Leggendino>how can i go to the last lines?
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02:29<dli>Leggendino, check time also, when did it crash?
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02:31<zl2tod>Leggendino, df -h /dev/hda1
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02:32<kcynice>who would like to tell me if i want to learn programing in debian,it remain using as and ld command or not?
02:36<bremner>kynice: can you try rephrasing your question? What are you worried about, a technical issue, or something else?
02:37<Leggendino>rescuecd:~# df -h /dev/hda1
02:37<Leggendino>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
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02:38<Leggendino>./dev/hda1 72G 50G 19G 73% /var/mnt/hda1
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02:39<Leggendino>io rebooted and it doesn't come up again
02:39<Leggendino>i don't know why
02:40<hugo>salut a tous
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02:40<bremner>!tell hugo about fr
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02:41<Leggendino>now what can i do to fix the error?
02:41<Leggendino>i think it doesn't boot correctly
02:42<buffoon_work>can i tell logrotate to never delete logs?
02:42<zl2tod>you'll need to ask the farm what's on the monitor, and get them to boot the cd again, it's probably tried and failed to boot to the hard drive again
02:43<buffoon_work>i just found tutorials and stuff where they say how long logfiles are kept...
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02:45<zl2tod>Leggendino, I was worried that it may have run out of space on that partition. From what you pasted, it hasn't.
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02:47<zl2tod>buffoon_work, did you read about rotate in the man page ?
02:47<zl2tod>set it to a stupidly high number and you should have what you want
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02:48<jm_>Leggendino: do you have /var/log/boot?
02:49<Leggendino>i check if there is
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02:50<Leggendino>-sh: cd: /var/log/boot: No such file or directory
02:50<jm_>no in /mnt/hda1
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02:52<jm_>Leggendino: read the screen properly, ls -l /mnt/hda1/var/log/boot
02:52<Leggendino>rescuecd:/mnt/hda1/boot# ls -l /mnt/hda1/var/log/boot
02:52<Leggendino>-rw-r----- 1 root adm 31 Dec 27 09:45 /mnt/hda1/var/log/boot
02:52<buffoon_work>zl2tod, ok, thank you... trying it out
02:52<jm_>Leggendino: check it
02:53<Leggendino>i hav
02:53<Leggendino>i have to go in classrom
02:53<Leggendino>see you this evening
02:53<Leggendino>thankyou for everythings
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02:59<geek>hello all
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03:02<bremner>!greet geek
03:02<dpkg>G'day, geek
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03:33<kcynice>is all the user account using the same samba share-path?
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03:35<kcynice>should be "are all the user-accounts using the same samba share-path?
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03:37<Number9>THIS IS NOT #ubuntu
03:38<kcynice>but i use debian,4.0
03:39<kcynice>i want to share one or more directories among my debian and other MS-XP.
03:39<hugo>see you
03:39<kcynice>So,I select samba
03:39<SpeedyG>kcynice: iirc, you can, in smb.conf set up which shares are for which (group of??) user(s)
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03:39<SpeedyG>but not sure tho
03:40<kcynice>did you mean,users in the same group would use the same share-paths?
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03:41<Number9>is there a gui for kde that works in sid for connection sharing? or do i really have to read all the documentation for ssh? (and do it all command line?)
03:42<jm_>what kind of connection sharing?
03:43<Number9>internet connection sharing between two laptops
03:44<kcynice>SpeedyG:did you mean,users in the same group would use the same share-paths?
03:44<jm_>it can be as simple as installing ipmasq package
03:45<SpeedyG>kcynice: yes, iirc, there is such a thing in samba, but i've just started fidling with it
03:45<Number9>well thats installed
03:45<SpeedyG>kcynice: but I need to combine it with win2k3 ADS authentication (which I just got working)
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03:48<kcynice>SpeedyG:I am a little Puzzled
03:49<SpeedyG>kcynice: all I'm telling, is that I think its possible ... nothing to be puzzled about :)
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03:50<kcynice>SpeedyG:I can see,now
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03:51<kcynice>SpeedyG:I also can see the sharedirs in other MS-Windows,now.Thank you very much
03:51<SpeedyG>yw :)
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03:56<vortek>whats the best way to get ati drivers from ati's web site installed on debian, is there a helper app or a howto ?
03:57<Number9>there are debs for ati i thought
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03:57<vortek>well were trying to use the actualy ati drivers not the flx and such
03:58<Number9>and the ati site--they have tarballs?
03:58<vortek>basicly were trying to get the 1680X1050 resolution working in x, and from what I found using the actualy drivers from ati are the only way.. not the fglrx
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03:59<vortek>they got installs but we have to have /dev/shm and a few other things and were not sure how to check the version etc
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03:59<Number9>but do they have tarballs?
03:59<SixT6>If you want the fglrx driver you should probably get the driver from amd's site
03:59<vortek>yeah thats what were gona do
03:59<Number9>how's he make a deb from a tarball? with alien?
04:00<SixT6>Else you can just use the driver from debian's package tree
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04:01<vortek>its a .run
04:02<SixT6>Why's that strange?
04:02<vortek>maybe its a ./
04:02<vortek>never seen that extention
04:02<vortek>ahh thanxs
04:02<jm_>there's a first time for everything
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04:03<vortek>and ive been using debian sense 97 off and on lol
04:03<vortek>but im helping a freind online
04:03<vortek>thanxs for helping me though :)
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04:05<vortek>ok i got a few simple questions it says i have to have "POSIX Shared Memory (/dev/shm) support is required for 3D apps" How do I check if I have this ?
04:06<vortek>just ls /dev/shm or is it some kernel peram?
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04:06<vortek>only other 2 questions are how to check glic version and xorg version
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04:07<vortek>er glibc
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04:09<jm_>dpkg -s libc6 or run /lib/
04:09<dpkg>There is no record of a libc6 or run /lib/ package
04:09<SixT6>dpkg -l | grep xorg
04:09<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep xorg
04:09<vortek>oh thanxs
04:10<jm_>vortek: you have shm support
04:10<Number9>xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-dbg <---that what youre looking for vortek?
04:11<vortek>Number9: i dont know.. is that the real drivers from ati ?
04:12<SixT6>No, that's the standard ati drivers for xorg
04:12<Number9>i just entered radeon in the kpackage search window
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04:14<Number9>boy do i need to try and sleep
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04:15<vortek>man never though tof a command that simple to search for xorg version SixT6
04:15<vortek>thanxs too jm
04:15<vortek>man ive been out of good ole debian to long
04:15<vortek>number9 hehe i here ya
04:15<vortek>i jut woke up at 2 am lol cuase of pain meds so i trade ya
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04:16<vortek>vikodin make me belly tickly cuase of all other meds im on. anyways sorry for the babble
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04:18<vortek>well looks like the latest stable version supports all minumum requirments for ati's own drivers
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04:18<kcynice>I find when i start my sabma service,other people always can see my homes directory,how should I hide this?
04:19<vortek>i doub't hes gona get his wide screen 1680X1050 in console though.
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04:21<jm_>kcynice: don't share /home
04:21<hever>Hi. What is stored in the /aquota.user file ?
04:22<zl2tod>kcynice, you might like to use swat to administer samba
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04:23<kcynice>jm_: I have set read only = no browseable=no
04:24<kcynice>zl2tod:I am sorry,I am a beginer,what is swat?
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04:24<jm_>kcynice: browsable = no works fine for me
04:25<jm_>swat is a GUI for managing samba configuration
04:25<seanius>you could always comment out all the home stuff entirely, right?
04:25<hever>Or where can I read or get more information about what is stored in the aquota.user file ?
04:26<sheldonh>hever: still having quota fun, hey?
04:26<kcynice>but others can find the directory on my computer
04:26<kcynice>I do not know why
04:26<zl2tod>kcynice, aptitude show swat
04:27<zl2tod>kcynice, look at the files in /etc/samba
04:27<kcynice>zl2tod:Ok,I will go and have a look
04:27<zl2tod>hever, googling aquota returns lotsa stuff
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04:27<hever>sheldonh: hey. a bit ;) Ehm I got quota running inside the chroot. So I can get quotas (if /dev/hdaX is hardlinked into the chroot).
04:28<sheldonh>hever: the quota files contain information about quota usage. consider the format a black box :)
04:28<sheldonh>hever: hey, congratulations! so you can report quota usage from within the chroot even though the root of the fs is outside the chroot?
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04:29<hever>sheldonh: hey, thats exactly what I wanted to know. Are there any "official" documentations?
04:30<hever>sheldonh: Yes I think so. I didn't validate that the informations are correct at this time but I got informations.
04:30<sheldonh>hever: cool. for the format, you'll probably need to grovel through the source
04:30<hever>But the problem is still I have to hardlink /dev/hdaX.
04:31<hever>At at the moment I'm not so fimilar with quotas that I understand why...
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04:31<sheldonh>hever: the source for repquota
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04:44<ellobo>is there any repository with firefox (not iceweasel) packages for debian/unstable?
04:44<jm_>ellobo: iceweasel is firefox
04:44<Florian>hu... firefox is iceweasel
04:45<ellobo>got that for myself... :P
04:45<ellobo>just cosmetics... :)
04:45<Florian>As far as i remember they changed the name in debian just because they don't want to be associate with the trademark mozilla
04:45<Florian>confirm ?
04:45<themill>!why iceweasel
04:45<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
04:45<ellobo>I read "why iceweasel"
04:46<Florian>nice feature
04:46<vortek>ok big dumb question, my freind that im helping has the latest stable netinstall today, what defualt xwin manager is on it ?
04:46<ellobo>in my network (a school, teachers, ...) people are familiar with firefox and not iceweasel :/
04:46<petemc>vortek: none
04:46<jm_>vortek: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
04:46<jm_>do the same for x-session-manager
04:47<seanius>vortek: gnome/metacity i'd guess
04:47<themill>vortek: if you select "desktop" you will get gnome
04:47<vortek>ahh ok
04:47<Florian>ellobo, it's exactly the same software... you can just put an icon a desktop with the firefox logo, marked firefox but which launch iceweasel
04:47<vortek>thanxs all
04:47<vortek>yeah im helping a freind online otherwise id know
04:47<ellobo>Florian: ok...
04:48<seanius>Florian: funny enough my girlfriend asked me yesterday how to get iceweasel for her new OS X macbook
04:48<vortek>he's a total virgin to linux too but he's not doing bad, he actualy realizes why debian is much easier and better managed even though it seems hader, he loves apt-get and such
04:48<ellobo>Florian: another problem is the delay between firefox/iceweasel releases :(
04:48<Florian>everybody loves apt-get
04:49<Florian>arf not so funny she bought a mac
04:50<seanius>she wanted the cute earth humping weasel icon
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04:50<Florian>maybe sha can ask the iceweasel team to make a wallpaper with it
04:50<seanius>but that's the first time i've seen confusion between iceweasel/ff go in the other direction, and it made me happy
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04:53<Florian>the wikipedia article about the naming conflict is interesting...
04:55<seanius>oh, the gnu iceweasel has been renamed icecat
04:56<koollman>I have a problem understanding a debian bug report ... . the bug was closed, but no changes were made ...
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04:57<koollman>should I send a message to reopen the bug ? (I am not the original reporter, but I know etch still contains the bugged nagios 2.6 version
04:58<koollman>(and a monitoring service that stop without warning is ... not good for my job :) )
04:59<vortek>ati's website says I need XFree86-Mesa-libGL but for stable doesn't even list it, any ideas ?
04:59<seanius>koollman: it was fixed in an upload to unstable, so it still affects stable
04:59<sheldonh>Florian: i don't. i love aptitude :)
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04:59<seanius>koollman: look at the version graph on the bug report and that should make sense
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05:00<koollman>well ... that does not solve my problem, then. There is still a bug in stable, and I don't want to use unstable packages
05:00<seanius>koollman: try the version from etch-backports
05:01<koollman>is it common to not change version even when there is an important bug ?
05:01<jm_>koollman: yes
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05:01<sheldonh>koollman: i'm not suggesting this as a work-around to the problem you're discussing here, but... as an aside, a great tool for dealing with stuff that just dies is monit
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05:01<seanius>koollman: not just common, but almost a concrete rule
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05:02<koollman>seanius: I don't really understand. How can 'stable' be stable if the packages are not running properly ?
05:02<seanius>sheldonh: it'd be... ironic to use monit to monitor nagios
05:03<seanius>koollman: "stable in the geological sense"
05:03<jm_>you're clearly having no idea what "stable" is refering to
05:03<koollman>I understand that part
05:03<koollman>stable version numbers
05:03<sheldonh>seanius: indeed :)
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05:03<seanius>koollman: not just version numbers, but the entire environment
05:04<sheldonh>seanius: and indeed, nagios to monitor monit ;)
05:04<sheldonh>seanius: recursion isn't wrong, just weird ;)
05:04<seanius>the only changes that go into "stable" are targeted fixes, usually isolated security patches
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05:04<koollman>so, for that bug, I would need a patch to the nagios 2.6 version included in debian, to keep it 'stable' in the debian sense ?
05:04<seanius>though sometimes serious bugs will get fixed in a similar manner
05:05<seanius>koollman: yeah. if for example the patch that you supplied applies against 2.6 and works without problem, that would be an option
05:05<koollman>well ... the first patch supplied in the bug report seems good enough
05:06<jm_>seems is not sufficient ;P
05:06<seanius>but it'd require quite a bit of work and testing, and personally i'd just take the version from backports
05:06<sheldonh>koollman: correct. so you'd subscribe to the package at, download the source package, modify it, put it in your local archive, pin the package to your local archive in apt preferences, and then watch the mail you get from the package subscription, so you know when you have to roll updates of your patched package, and when you can get rid of it (if that ever happens)
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05:06<seanius>since nagios 2.x series code is a bit more volatile than the previous 1.x series
05:06<koollman>well ... can't risk that now. I lost some credibility today, and my boss almost lost a client
05:07<sheldonh>seanius: not to mention backward compatibiity issues in the configs. so we can't just foist 2.6 on stable users
05:08<sheldonh>koollman: that sucks
05:08<seanius>wait... 2.6 is stable
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05:09<koollman>sheldonh: no. what sucks is going to work in the morning, and having half a rack down due to a malfunctionning switch, since 3am in the morning, and nagios did not signaled a thing cause it was stopped due to a known bug.
05:09<koollman>now, that sucks
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05:09<petemc>koollman: if you know about the bug, you would be wary of restarting nagios
05:10<sheldonh>koollman: yup, i'd be very upset if that happened to me
05:10<koollman>petemc: I did not ... I found out today
05:10<koollman>you don't discover bugs when everything run fine, do you ? :)
05:10<jm_>it also points towards improper testing of solution
05:10<seanius>koollman: well i'm not sure what you propose as a solution, if you don't have the time to test the targeted patch nor try the updated backport version
05:11<koollman>I will try the backport version first
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05:12<sheldonh>jm_, seanius, koollman: which bug is this?
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05:13<seanius>the nagios2 init script is notoriously bad jftr
05:14<koollman>well ... it's not only the init script ... nagios was blocked on a futex, and needed a kill -9 to stop.
05:15<seanius>ah, yeah
05:15<sheldonh>apache does that sometimes, on gentoo boxes
05:15<sheldonh>weird that we haven't seen this behaviour on our customer's debian monitoring hosts
05:15<koollman>well ... apache not running on my systems would be caught ... by nagios :/
05:15<seanius>looks like it was fixed with a lot of threadsafe/signal-handilng fixes in 2.8
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05:18<sheldonh>seanius: test quality assurance notwithstanding, do you regard the bug as important?
05:18<sheldonh>seanius: (important in the Severity sense of the word)
05:18<sheldonh>ian will love this
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05:19<seanius>sheldonh: sure i'd say it's important
05:19<sheldonh>a guy in the office and i have a long-standing debate about the use of non-reentrant library calls from within signal handlers. and lo, an example of a problem arising from this bad practice :)
05:20<seanius>if someone is willing to do most/all of the gruntwork i can talk to the srm's
05:20<sheldonh>seanius: i could probably get my customer to pay me for the work. what's required?
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05:20<seanius>i.e. massage the patch, apply, build, test, test some more, report back a week later that it still works fine
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05:21<seanius>however, there have been a *lot* of other fixes, and i imagine on the threadsafe/reentrant front there are probably more fixes not included in that patch
05:22<seanius>i.e. me being lazy and using a backport or testing version of nagios2 on my boxes
05:22<petemc>im using nagios3
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05:23<seanius>petemc: do we have a volunteer to put it into the pkg-nagios svn? :)
05:23<sheldonh>seanius: well the supplied patch looks (and of course "looks" isn't enough) like it implements exactly the right fix -- just capture the signal you received in the signal handler, then deal with it back in your main loop
05:23<petemc>there are ubuntu packages
05:23<sheldonh>petemc: SILENCE!
05:23<seanius>petemc: ah nice to see them contributing back to pkg-nagios as always
05:23<sheldonh>seanius: so let me scare the customer, have him agree that we should work on it, and get back to you in a while
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05:24<seanius>sheldonh: sure, sounds fine
05:24<sheldonh>seanius: i imagine testing will be as simple as a sample config that overloads nagios, and then a reload like crazy wrapper :)
05:24<slicky>im trying to mount my ntfs drive with ntfs-3g but i dont know how to do it the right way
05:25<jm_>slicky: there are docs in the linux-ntfs web page
05:25<seanius>yeah, that and confirming that it works for some period of time without ill effects
05:26<seanius>ideally your test case should be able to tickle the bug in the unpatched version too
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05:26<sheldonh>seanius: absolutely
05:26<sheldonh>seanius: a vmware team should make pretty short work of this
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05:27<seanius>petemc: i can't find the ubuntu nagios3 package
05:28<seanius>petemc: we had a guy who had done some initial packaging of nagios3 and hosted the source packages on his own site
05:28<seanius>but i don't think he ever imported them into svn
05:29*seanius < lunch
05:30<slicky>so.. my kernel havnt got the ntfs driver installed..
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05:33<vortek>any one know of a guide to install these ati drivers from ati in debian ?
05:33<vortek>google's pulling up anceint stuff
05:38<bremner>slicky: did you read /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3f/README.Debian ?
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05:40<Wesley>Hi question regarding mysql, hostname of machine changed and now when starting replication I get the following: [ERROR] Failed to open the relay log './ns2-relay-bin.012063' (relay_log_pos 235)
05:40<bremner>slicky: ntfs-3g/README.Debian
05:40<Wesley>Im unable to find a working way to fix this, google returns you have to change something when hostname is changed but I cannot find a working way
05:40*bremner goes for lunch also
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05:42<jm_>!tell vortek -about fgrlx
05:42<jm_>amazing, managed to mistype it twice
05:43<vortek>thats a mouth full
05:43<vortek>jm_: all were trying to do is get wide screen lcd resolution too lol
05:43<jm_>vortek: that shouldn't be a problem even with xorg driver if it supports your card
05:45<vortek>cant find no supported modes for grub on google
05:45<vortek>hrm strange the ati install we just ran from website said install complete lol
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05:46<jm_>grub? why do you care if GRUB runs in wide screen?
05:46<vortek>well we got xwin running on his comp right now
05:46<marcos>my arch is amd64, how do i install libopenal for i386 in usr/lib32? (X-Plane installer requires it)
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05:48<vortek>jm_: im confused on that page dpkg gave me , like what do i do with it for that ati stuff
05:48<jm_>vortek: which page exactly?
05:49<jm_>vortek: or which part rather
05:49<vortek>the whole thing
05:49<vortek>let me read it again
05:50<jm_>ok, ignore that, do this one instead
05:50<jm_>or try this:
05:53<marcos>solved: downloaded i386 deb package, and dpkg -X .deb /emul/ia32-linux; ldconfig
05:53<vortek>jm_: ahh thanxs your a godsend man
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05:56<themill>!beer jm_
05:56*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for jm_
05:56<seanius>oh sweetness that's a good beer
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05:57<petemc>seanius: i appear to have been deluded, i compiled nagios 3
05:57<petemc>#im my defence, i set it up months ago
05:57<vortek>jm_: that wiki says to download a amd package lol but ill see whats going on
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05:58<Wesley>Hi question regarding mysql, hostname of machine changed and now when starting replication I get the following: [ERROR] Failed to open the relay log './ns2-relay-bin.012063' (relay_log_pos 235) whats the best solution to fix this?
05:59<ellobo>hi, does anyone know of a way to generate the .deb packages from the nvidia .run ?
05:59<themill>ellobo: don't. /msg dpkg nvidia
06:00<ellobo>themill: I need an older version... not the current
06:01<ellobo>themill: I need version 6629
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06:02<themill>ahhh... does snapshots help?
06:02<dpkg>it has been said that sdn is go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
06:03<ellobo>themill: thnx alot :)
06:04<themill>there are also the -legacy drivers in etch. (I know little about nvidia... I'm clutching at staws)
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06:06<jm_>vortek: yes, to use newer version than what is in Debian
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06:06<ellobo>themill: couldn't find it :(
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06:08<idkfa>the local time (EST) on my box is incorrect. how can i change this to match UTC (which is correct)?
06:09<streuner>!set time
06:09<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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06:11<vortek>jm_: i hate to ask but that guide you gave me, can i just use non-free ? or should i do the long method
06:12<vortek>jm_: cuase it looks like debian has the actual ati drivers already there from ati it self.
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06:12<jm_>vortek: you have my permission :)
06:12<jm_>vortek: yes, older - I thought you want new one for soem specific reason
06:12<jm_>if you're happy with it, go ahead
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06:12<vortek>yeah we dont need the newer
06:13<vortek>then after this its just a matter of configing the screen resolution and such i think
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06:14<vortek>jm_: hrm wait we got it to work using ati's website and and apt-cache actualy lol
06:15<vortek>well herm aticonfig works but we must test 3d
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06:17<vortek>but atleast we got that guide to fall back on thank guide.
06:17<vortek>er thank god heh well thank you hehe
06:18<ellobo>anyone managed to get the legacy nvidia drivers working ? i am getting "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to allocate rankine object" on X start
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06:19<jm_>ellobo: it works for my bro at home
06:21<ellobo>jm_: the installation/compilation went fine but when I start X gotthis error
06:22<jm_>ellobo: did you check BTS or google?
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06:25<d4rkl0rd>anybody knows when kde4 get into lenny?
06:25<ellobo>jm_: yes... I usually go: BTS, google, find ${source}/ -name *.c -exec grep "<the error message>", and when desperate I come to IRC :)
06:25<gsimmons>!tell d4rkl0rd -about kde4
06:26<jm_>ellobo: in this case find is not possible ;)
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06:27<jm_>ellobo: is this etch?
06:28<ellobo>jm_: unstable
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06:29<jm_>ellobo: hmm my bro backported version from unstable, but it's being used on testing, probably whichever version was the latest one month ago, the card is Ti4200
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06:30<ellobo>ellobo: GeForce GO 7400 here
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06:31<jm_>ellobo: but does that even require legacy driver? I am using 7600 with regular driver
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06:32<ellobo>jm_: tuxonice recommends this driver
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06:32<ellobo>jm_: well not this one...
06:32<ellobo>jm_: it recommends 6629 but it is not available
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06:33<jm_>ellobo: 66.29?
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06:33<ellobo>jm_: not very clear but I suppose 1.0.6629
06:33<ellobo>jm_: the regular driver also works for me, but I am unable to suspend/resume
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06:34<jm_>ellobo: that's not legacy driver
06:35<jm_>ellobo: its available on snapshot page
06:35<ellobo>jm_: are you sure, i searched there for nvidia.*6629.* and no occurences
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06:36<jm_>ellobo: I just saw it mentioned in Packages.gz
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06:37<ellobo>jm_: what line do you add to sources.list ? deb deb pool nvidia-kernel-source ?
06:37<jm_>ellobo: ohh I didn't, I browser on their web page
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06:39<jm_>it's somwehere in 2004/11/08/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-1_i386.deb
06:40<jm_>so if you can get an URL for some other package, it should be easy to check if it's really there
06:40<ellobo>jm_: got it :)
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06:41<ellobo>jm_: the line is "deb pool nvidia-graphics-drivers"... thnx
06:41<jm_>ellobo: you'll need some other packages for it too
06:41<jm_>ellobo: ahh so one can also use it without specifying dates in sources.list?
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06:42<jm_>ahh of course, I didn't scroll down enough
06:42<ellobo>jm_: looks like... apt-get install package=version
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06:42<jm_>ellobo: right, but I thought it only works on a per date basis, this is much simpler
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06:45<ellobo>jm_: no <2004 archives :(
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06:55<jack>In a Makefile, what does -include mean?
06:57<panthera>including another file, but not exiting when the file is not found.
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07:03<JarekMk>Poland rlz :P
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07:06<Wesley>Hi question regarding mysql, hostname of machine changed and now when starting replication I get the following: [ERROR] Failed to open the relay log './ns2-relay-bin.012063' (relay_log_pos 235)
07:06<Wesley>any quick fixs for this?
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07:12<bremner>Wesley: did you try asking on #mysql?
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07:16<seanius>Wesleey: i don't mean to be mean but please stop asking the same question over and over again
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07:16<Wesleey>Allright seanius.
07:17<lankke>Hello people... I was wondering if I could get some help with Apache Ant... I am trying to develop an application based on the google calendar apis and i'm having all sorts of hassles
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07:19<bremner>Iankke: I guess we won't know until you ask a specific question.
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07:20<lankke>well... i have been following this guide ...
07:21<lankke>the problem is...
07:21<lankke>that I'm using Icedtea ...
07:21<lankke>and I installed ant from a repository
07:22<lankke>.... I am unable to build the sample programs at the end of the tutorial
07:22<lankke>ant Build:Failed
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07:23<themill>lankke: you probably need to set JAVA_HOME
07:23<lankke>would this not be automatically set ?
07:23<lankke>Iced tea
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07:24<themill>Installing a package doesn't set any environment variables; debian packages should work properly without them set, but icedtea isn't a debian package (yet)
07:24<lankke>well... I'm actually using ubuntu but yeah
07:24<lankke>I couldn't get any help from the guys over there
07:25<themill>lankke: well, you'd be better asking in #ubuntu ... if there is an #ubuntu-java, then try there.
07:26<lankke>i have asked themill, i have been asking for the last 4 days. i have spent at least 12 working hours on trying to fix this
07:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
07:26<themill>lankke: for sun-java6, I use "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ant". Working out what it is for icedtea and ubuntu is left as an exercise to you.
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07:27<lankke>thanks themill ... you have helped more than you know
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07:27<lankke>i didn't even get a reply from the other forum
07:28<lankke>so this wasn't a waste of time after all.... after using fedora for 2 years i was disappointed after the move to ubuntu
07:28<themill>lankke: I've heard that #ubuntu is often like that. But in general, there's little we can do to help ubuntu users (for technical reasons -- we just don't know what is different). Perhaps a move to debian would be wise for you :)
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07:29*seanius considers it to be slightly inpolite, to boot
07:29<lankke>i might have to... i need to develop this application by february the 3rd so i am running out of time
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07:33<lankke>JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ant ..... so you just point JAVA_HOME to the directory and append ant on the end?
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07:33<lankke>export JAVA_HOME=/user/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ant ????
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07:40<bremner>Iankke: man env. PS I recommend ubuntu-forums for ubuntu help
07:40<bremner>!tell silensius about fr
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07:41<silensius>on right you have in inglish
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07:44<Knight_Lord>Does anyone have any idea why I have to reinstall nvidia-glx every time i restart my computer? I'm running debian sid.
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07:50<jm_>Knight_Lord: did you check BTS?
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07:52<jack>if I call connect int the non-block mode to establish a link to a server,how can I know the connect is successful?
07:52<jm_> If the connection or binding succeeds, zero is returned. On error, -1
07:52<jm_> is returned, and errno is set appropriately.
07:54<jack>I use winsock,If I use WSAGetLastError() the WSAEWOULDBLOCK is returned
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07:54<jack>after the i call the connect
07:55<jm_>this is not the right channel then
07:55<jack>and the I call send.Before timeout,I alwalys get WSANOTCONN by WSAGETLASTERROR() after I call send
07:56<jack>but int the block mode,it is success.I can establish the link to server,after I called connect
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07:58<seanius>wtf do you think people are going to answer winsock programming in a debian channel?
07:58<bremner>jack: sorry, but once you say winsock, we all tuned out
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08:00<jack>sorry,but I can't find people who answer my question in other channel
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08:00<suiside>that's no excuse
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08:00<jack>I am a student.and i must finish my net homework int the windows
08:01<Knight_Lord>jm_ not much luck
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08:02<jm_>Knight_Lord: well then investigate what changes after installation
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08:03<jack>in the non-block mode,just I call connect,can I call send?
08:03<themill>jack: you'll struggle to find anyone here who deals with winsock stuff at all. try some other channels...: /msg chanserv list *win*
08:03<jeremiah>what is a good way to find out what chip architecture I am running on a particular machine? dmesg?
08:03<gsimmons>!what's my architecture
08:03<dpkg>dpkg --print-architecture
08:04<bremner>cat /proc/cpuninfo?
08:04<jack>now this question is about berkley socket
08:04<jeremiah>gsimmons: Thank you!
08:04<gsimmons>jeremiah: np
08:04<jeremiah>bremner: Thanks, I'll look at that.
08:04<themill>jeremiah: arch
08:04<bremner>jeremiah: cat /proc/cpuinfo ; # no extra n
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08:06<dpkg>methinks homework is something you should do yourself
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08:06<themill>jack: this still isn't a good forum for asking. This channel is for software support and not programming.
08:06<jeremiah>arch says i686, dpkg --print-architechture says i386 and cpuinfo say "Genuine Intel"
08:06<jm_>all you wanted to know then
08:07<jeremiah>jm_: Exactly. :)
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08:07<themill>jeremiah: yep.... so you've got an i686 kernel/libc (not 486) and you're using the i386 distro of debian (as opposed to powerpc etc)
08:07<jeremiah>If I only knew what they meant . . .
08:07<jack>can you tell the channel that my question can be asked?
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08:08<jeremiah>Now is a good time for wikipedia. . .
08:09<jm_>why do you care if it doesn't mean anything to you?
08:10<jeremiah>jm_: Umm. Hard to say. Might'nt it be important to know at some point?
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08:10<jm_>jeremiah: doesn't sound likely ;)
08:10<lupine_85>knowledge is always a good thing
08:10<jeremiah>jm_: heh
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08:14<jeremiah>Is Intel's Core 2 a 64 bit architecture or is that only Itanium? Wikipedia is a little unclear.
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08:14<lupine_85>jeremiah: it's 64-bit
08:14<lupine_85>EM64T as they like to call it
08:14<lupine_85>it's identical to amd64
08:15<seanius>or at least you use the "amd64" architecture on debian, anyway
08:15<jeremiah>lupine_85: Ah, thanks. That makes things much clearer.
08:15*lupine_85 <3 debian - and linux in general
08:16<lupine_85>Switched motherboard today :D
08:16<lupine_85>everything Just Works(tm)!
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08:17<jeremiah>So, if dpkg says i386 and I have Core 2 chips, then I should run the debian am64 version?
08:17<bremner>jeremiah: it depends. I run i386
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08:17<jeremiah>So you _can_ run either - because I think that is what I am doing but seeing some weird behavior.
08:18<lupine_85>amd64 offers no great advantages for the majority of desktop users right now
08:18<lupine_85>it does introduce some niggling issues like flash though
08:18<bremner>jeremiah: others can sell you on the advantages of amd64, but I think there are less wierdnesses with i386
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08:18<jm_>jeremiah: but probably not because of this combination
08:18<kcynice>hi,I know Redhat's ftp service is vsftpd,but what is in debian?
08:19*lupine_85 has just switched back to amd64 as he's started getting integer overflows in R, and is dealing with files >> 4GB
08:19<SixT6>lupine_85: Flash isn't really a problem as long as you configure nspluginwrapper properly
08:19<bremner>SixT6: flash not working is also not really a problem for me :-)
08:19<lupine_85>" long as..."
08:19<SixT6>Would have been a huge problem for me
08:20<jm_>there is flash plugin for amd64 now I though
08:20<SixT6>lupine_85: If you're not prepared to configure and compile stuff then linux isn't really the os for you, as I am sure you know
08:20<lupine_85>oh, indeed. But relative to i386 linux, amd64 linux is extra hassle
08:20<jm_>no, flashplugin-nonfree
08:20<jeremiah>kcynice: You can look at proftp, I know that is in debian.
08:20<lupine_85>jm_: zomg, really?
08:20<jm_>kcynice: Debian has several FTP daemons, install whichever you want
08:21*bremner thinks unix machismo is incompatible with needing flash :-)
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08:21<jm_>also available for Etch (backports)
08:21<kcynice>ok,I will try proftp. it seems that I had saw it somewhere before.
08:22<jeremiah>kcynice: It is a very good, secure ftp daemon.
08:22<jeremiah>I like it anyway but your milage might vary, as they say.
08:22<jeremiah>your mileage even
08:23<themill>we need to come up with a metric equivalent for that saying...
08:24<SixT6>lupine_85: Agreed, but I have the ich9 chipset so I haven't been able to install i386 linux on it
08:24<kcynice>jeremiah:its name is secure ftp daemon?
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08:25<jeremiah>aptitude show proftpd
08:25<jeremiah>That should tell you more about it.
08:26<jeremiah>kcynice: You want a ftp server, right?
08:26<jeremiah>Not an ftp client?
08:26<jeremiah>Gotcha, proftpd is a good bet.
08:26*lupine_85 generally uses ssh rather than ftp
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08:26<jeremiah>Yeah, I agree, ftp is sorta a thing of the past.
08:27<sheldonh>jeremiah: i wish!
08:27<SixT6>And the future
08:27<jeremiah>kcynice: Are you sure you want to serve stuff with ftp?
08:27<sheldonh>kcynice: vsftpd
08:27<sheldonh>proftpd has a terrible security track record
08:27<lupine_85>they all do, TBH :P
08:27<kcynice>in fact,I do not know if i need a ftp client or not.because,I think i can browse the content of the server var IE
08:27<lupine_85>yeah, IE is a basic FTP client
08:27<sheldonh>lupine_85: vsftpd not so much :)
08:27<jeremiah>sheldonh: Oh, I thought it had a good one.
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08:28<sheldonh>jeremiah: no :)
08:28<jm_>heck it's good enough for ;)
08:28<bremner>kcynice: client != server
08:28<lupine_85>same as it's a basic web browser - where 'basic', read 'broken'
08:28<sheldonh>jm_: so is fedora ;)
08:29<kcynice>if i did not have a ftp client installed,can i connect some servers using ie?
08:29<bremner>where is debian in this picture?
08:29<jeremiah>kcynice: Sure.
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08:30<sheldonh>bremner: server
08:30<kcynice>i decide to use debian.I hear that,redhat go anther way from debian(if i should say gnu)
08:31<seanius>kcynice: you can use the same software in either distro
08:31<seanius>kcynice: personally i'm also a fan of vsftpd
08:31<jm_>sheldonh: heh
08:32<seanius>and you should be able to connect from windows without a "real client", just using firefox/IE
08:32<kcynice>great!in fact,i hope all the sofrwares of linux should go well no matter the version of Linux
08:32<seanius>though if you choose something besides debian you will get much less help from us :)
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08:33<kcynice>ofcourse not.
08:34<kcynice>I am so glad that i can get so much help here.Thanks all of you.
08:34<jeremiah>seanius: Well put. :)
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08:34<bremner>kcynice: if you only want to download files from the server, apache is also worth considering
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08:35<kcynice>I began to use debian three days before.but I like it deeply now.So,i wish I also can get help in future.
08:35<jm_>kcynice: haven't we told you? only 10 questions per month!
08:36<kcynice>so far,the most command i used is apt-get,apt-cache.
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08:36<kneet>jm_: and "can I ask" and "does anyone use" each count as double q's ?
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08:36<jm_>kneet: good idea
08:36<jm_>kcynice: naah
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08:37<sheldonh>jeremiah: i just queried nvd. 2005-2007 saw 8 vulns in proftpd, 0 in vsftpd :)
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08:38<kcynice>jm_:how about to get help from you if my questions up to more than the max count?
08:38<jm_>kcynice: there is no max count
08:38<jeremiah>sheldonh: Well - there goes my theory.
08:38<kcynice>jm_:Thank you.
08:39<jeremiah>kcynice: You can as jm_ as many questions as you want!
08:39<sheldonh>jm_: interestingly, vsftpd's sitee say they 're on i think i misread your comment to mean that proftpd was good enough for
08:39<kcynice>Bingo! I also learn a new word: lol .
08:40<jeremiah>kcynice: You'll learn a lot more of those if you hang out here. . .
08:40<jm_>sheldonh: yeah, vsftpd is used for it
08:41<jeremiah>Like, RTFM, LMAO, RL, DD, IANAL, etc.
08:41<seanius>the package "wtf" might be helpful for such acronyms
08:41<lupine_85>isn't it in bsdgames now?
08:41<seanius>oh, maybe it is
08:42<jeremiah>wha? is there a package for irc slang?
08:42<sheldonh>there are a few. jargon and wtf come to mind
08:42<jm_>and dict packages too
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08:42<jeremiah>very cool, I never know what people are saying
08:43<jm_>vera, foldoc etc.
08:43<kneet>jeremiah: are you sure _they_ know what they are saying?
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08:44<jeremiah>kneet: Unlikely. :) 'u no what i meen doodz'
08:45<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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08:55<jack>ret = send( s, buf, size, 0 );
08:55<jack> if( ret < 0 )
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08:56*bremner thinks, hmm. Windows = hostility. Let me try windows+chinese :-)
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08:57<JustSoul>What are console viewers for imap-folders?
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08:57<bremner>JustSoul: you mean like mail readers?
08:58<jack>who understand chinese?
08:58<themill>jack: Please do not paste into the channel. Please do not ask homework questions here. Please do not ask programming questions here.
08:58<bremner>JustSoul: I use wl in emacs; alpine I heard about
08:58<themill>jack: oh yes.... and please stick to English here.
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08:58<jm_>JustSoul: mutt also supports imap
09:00<manes>hi there
09:00<manes>is anybody here who has installed xen on debian 4.0? I could need some help
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09:07<JustSoul>If I install ssmtp except exim4 what changes?
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09:08<DaCapn>so I'm sure everyone is aware of the problems with firefox/iceweasel and cpu consumption (memory leaks and all that). I've read some little ways to mitigate this in about:config but none of the options have helped so far. Anyone have any other techniques?
09:08<bremner>JustSoul: no local mail delivery?
09:09<themill>DaCapn: use the session manager extension and periodically kill iceweasel when it's getting to be a problem. (For me, about once a week or so)
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09:10<DaCapn>that's just for the sake of keeping the same session though right, you could just as well close it and re-open it?
09:10<JustSoul>bremner: ou..
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09:11<JustSoul>bremner: need only receiving mail =)
09:12<bremner>JustSoul: ssmtp doesn't to that either. Only sending.
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09:12<bremner>JustSoul: I'm just reading apt-cache show ssmtp. You could too :-)
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09:13<JustSoul>That what I'm doing, but very slow
09:14<jack>bauer is my schoolmates
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09:14<JustSoul>JustSoul3 is me
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09:15<themill>DaCapn: yes. I usually have a few dozen tabs open and I don't want to have to reopen then, so session manager is good for that. BTW some extensions are know trouble makers for memory usage too
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09:18<DaCapn>yeah, I guess I haven't really looked into whether a specific extension I use has these problems. The biggest problem I have is with CPU consumption.
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09:19<themill>DaCapn: that's usually flash or sometimes java-filled sites that do that. Occasionally javascript madness. I've come across extensions that continually spawn new threads that leads to both CPU increase and memory leaking. You can try using the safe-mode startup option to disable all extensions to see if that helps.
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09:22<DaCapn>I use NoScript also. I know what you mean with js too... 90% of the time I see js on the web, it's for something like mouse-over effects or other crap that can be done with css
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09:23<themill>or shouldn't be done at all...
09:24<DaCapn>hahah yeah no kidding
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09:40<Leggendino>i have the same problem of this mornign
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09:42<hrw>I just use ugt on irc so it is always morning
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09:42<Leggendino>the problem is the follow
09:42<Leggendino>i rebooted my server
09:42<Leggendino>but it doesn't come up again
09:42<Leggendino>now i have started it manually with the rescuecd
09:43<Leggendino>and i only have ssh acces
09:43<Leggendino>this morning
09:43<Leggendino>i mounted the something
09:43<Leggendino>i dont'know
09:43<Leggendino>i paste you the commands
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09:44<DaCapn>did you hook it up to a monitor so you could see what the problem was during the boot process?
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09:44<Leggendino>i don't have the monitor
09:45<Leggendino>it is a dedicated server
09:45<Leggendino>i only have ssh access
09:45<DaCapn>I understand. But I'm saying did you try picking it up, bringing it to a monitor and plugging it in
09:45<padski>serial console ?
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09:49<seanius>Leggendino: there are a number of things that could have gone wrong between pushing the power button and "not booting"... some kind of logging or console output is really essential
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09:49<Leggendino>oik tnx
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09:49<Hideo>howdy gurpreet
09:50<gurpreet>Hideo, hi Hideo
09:50<Hideo>what's up
09:50<gurpreet>Hideo, nothing much bro
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09:56<Leggendino>can i reinstall deabian over ssh?
09:56<seanius>Leggendino: it's *possible* but difficult and error-prone if you're not intimately familiar with the process
09:57<padski>Leggendino, it is possible to debootstrap a new system over ssh
09:57<seanius>Leggendino: it would be better to find out what your problem is
09:57<Leggendino>can you help me?
09:57<seanius>see my comment from 8 minutes earlier
09:57<Leggendino>because i'm not too able with command-line
09:58<padski>Leggendino, can you hook up a console (display or serial console)
09:58<Leggendino>i ask to the farm
09:58<padski>huh ?
09:58<seanius>server farm
09:59<seanius>Leggendino: basically we want to know the last things the system said before it gave up booting
09:59<buffoon_work>maybe not debian related, but does somebody know a tool like plink, that reads from stdin? seems to me that plink (from the putty package does not work)
09:59<gsimmons>Leggendino: Enable bootlogd by mounting your server's root filesystem, modify /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. After restarting your system normally, a /var/log/boot file should be available to you. You'd want to examine the contents of this file.
09:59<seanius>also, the last few commands you ran with sudo
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10:00<seanius>gsimmons: that assumes that / gets mounted, which it might not
10:00<gsimmons>seanius: Hence the word "should".
10:00<Leggendino>one moment
10:01<seanius>also, if you're on a rescue disk it won't be /etc/default/bootlogd, but /mnt/etc/bootlogd if you mounted the real / on /mnt
10:01<petemc>buffoon_work: what does plink do, exactly?
10:01<Leggendino>one moment
10:01<Leggendino>i have received an email from the farm
10:02<padski>petemc, as in putty ?
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10:02<buffoon_work>petemc, plink does nothing more then open an ssh connection and execute a program given by the command line... the only thing i would need more is stdin which seems not to work with plink
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10:03<seanius>buffoon_work: wouldn't that be, uh, "ssh" ?
10:03<buffoon_work>i just would like to make a shortcut on the desktop from another one which executes a script on a debian machine (the client is a windows machine)
10:03<buffoon_work>seanius, i'm searching a tool for windows... sorry for not pointing that out earlier
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10:05<seanius>*oh*. well there's always using cygwin's ssh i guess, or using command-limited host keys
10:05<seanius>s/host keys/key pairs/
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10:06<seanius>does the windows client care about the output of the command?
10:07<buffoon_work>seanius, yes, i'm asking for several things in that script... i need stdin and stdout
10:07<buffoon_work>on the cmd or something else
10:08<seanius>buffoon_work: how about generating an ssh keypair, and on the server limit it to running "yourscript", and then set up a normal putty profile that uses the private key for authentication
10:08<Leggendino>i'm crying
10:08<Leggendino>i give to the farm admin the root password
10:08<Leggendino>and now it works
10:09<Leggendino>but i don't know the problem
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10:09<seanius>Leggendino: maybe it was at a root prompt because it had to fsck the disk or something
10:09<Leggendino>they have replyed
10:09<Leggendino>as far as we see, you have installed debian lenny but you have forgett to insert the network card modul e1000. We have done this now for you, server is reachable. Please take care to chekc your config while installing beta software
10:10<seanius>oh, heh.
10:12<Leggendino>now i have to install proftpd
10:12<Leggendino>can someone help me?
10:12<Leggendino>about the configuration?
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10:13<buffoon_work>seanius, the problem isn't the input of a password, just the thing that the user should just klick on a shortcut, give the things asked and then it works.
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10:14<JustSoul>good bye
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10:16<buffoon_work>would be better if a password is asked... ppl feel more secure then
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10:21<seanius>buffoon_work: you could create a script-dedicated user then, which has "yourscript" instead of /bin/bash as a login script
10:21<seanius>and you could run a dos command like "putty user@host"
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10:22<buffoon_work>seanius, thats a great idea... would things make easier... figuring that out... thanks for help
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10:40<Leggendino>how can i configure user on proftpd?
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10:43<seanius>Leggendino: i don't use that software, sorry
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11:12<ltrager>hey im a bit confused about how to properly compile a kernel
11:12<ltrager>ive done it tons of times in redhat and gentoo but this is my first time doing it in debian
11:12<streuner>just use an official kernel then
11:12<ltrager>i need e2compr support
11:13<ltrager>i put the patch file in debian/patches/e2compr
11:13<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
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11:14<ltrager>padski, thanks
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11:21<ltrager>padski, the guide says make config but says i have 2 redo my kernel config how do i use the default one that comes with debian?
11:21<ltrager>padski, i know i can copy it from /boot but is there a more offical way to do this?
11:22<padski>/boot/config-`uname -r`
11:22<bremner>ltrager: AFAIK make menuconfig will grab the config from the running kernel.
11:22<padski>ltrager, dunno.
11:22<seanius>or "make oldconfig" iirc
11:22<seanius>but i haven't recompiled a kernel in ages
11:22<bremner>ltrager: see if you have /proc/config.gz
11:22<padski>do debian kernels have the proc config thing ?
11:22<ltrager>i guess that part that confuses me is that there are parts of the offical debian config in debian/arch
11:23<ltrager>bremner, no it doesnt
11:23<ltrager>it seems like there should be a way to join all these parts together add my options
11:23<ltrager>and then seperate them again
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11:24<seanius>ltrager: i think make-kpkg should do that for you, if you read up on that
11:24<padski>huh, isn't the config file just one file ?
11:25<ltrager>padski, normally yes but debian does weird things
11:25<ltrager>seanius, does make-kpkg apply the patches or do i have 2 do that?
11:26<seanius>make-kpkg should take care of everything... usually it's a single command (though the command may be a bit long)
11:26<ltrager>but inorder to get the kernel options i need i need 2 apply the patch i want 2 add
11:26<bremner>ltrager: see --added-patches option
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11:32<bremner>ltrager: I have never built a patched debian kernel; maybe ask in #debian-kernel? First make sure you understand the basic make-kpkg business
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11:32<ltrager>bremner, im reading the man page now thanks
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11:38<sacha>des adeptes de kvm avec du vt ici ?
11:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
11:38<sacha>ops sorry
11:38<padski>no worries
11:39<sacha>some user of kvm with vt here ? ;)
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11:39<chrono>nope sorry
11:39<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:39<sacha>ops again :)
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11:41<sacha>trying for testing our developments to make a kvm virtual machine whith... vista (sorry) isntall is ok but first launch goes to a kernel error
11:41<sacha>is any success stories whith kvm & vista on debian ?
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11:45<padski>have they really gone and called it kvm ?
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11:47<padski>sacha, I haven't tried. using kqemu ?
11:48<sacha>using the modified qemu from kvm
11:48<sacha>openbsd, xp are working fine but vista just crash after 1st launch
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11:49<padski>sacha, and you expected? ;-)
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11:49<sacha>we have noticer too than vista x86 is working faster than 64 version
11:49<sacha>easy padski :)
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12:01<sacha>not tried with -m 1000 thanks padski
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12:02<Tainted_>Hi guys!
12:03<padski>sacha, you are welcome, I'd be interested to hear how you get on.
12:03<sacha>ok old on...
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12:04<AaronB>Anyone know of an easy way to download a file from a windows box on your local lan?
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12:04<padski>AaronB, smbclient perhaps
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12:05<themill>AaronB: enable some sharing on the windoze machine and use smbclient or an smb:// url in either konqi or nautilus (and probably other file managers).
12:05<themill>AaronB: If you know the admin username and password, you don't even need to turn on sharing as you can use the C$ share.
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12:18<hever>How can it be that chmod can't change the permissions of my quota file ?
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12:22<padski>hever, what error do you get ?
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12:23<hever>padski: I'm on a german shell. Ehm chmod: Operation is not permitted
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12:25<padski>hever, you could see that if you don't have the appropriate permissions, perhaps if the fs is read-only, or the file is immutable ...
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12:27<hever>its not readonly... its -rw------- 1 root root 15360 2008-01-15 15:47 aquota.user
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12:31<padski>hever, and you are root ?
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12:32<Supaplex>hever: what's lsattr aquota.user show?
12:34<fxiny>tic tic tic
12:34<hever>um. Somehting like not matching IOCTL (I/O-Control) for device at reading flags of aquota.user
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12:34<padski>hever, what fs type is it on ?
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12:35<hever>ehm reiser
12:35<hever>ok ;)
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12:37<istoc>I've got a defective hard drive, is it possible to use LVM and make LVs only with the non-damaged sectors?
12:37<Neyuth>someone knows how i can remove the first three characters from a filename whit a command?
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12:39<Maulkin>istoc: in theory, but that's not going to help you.
12:39<Supaplex>when a harddisk has a mental illness, it's time to get a new drive.
12:39<Neyuth>i now there is one but i don't remember its name
12:40<istoc>Well, I have an old 3G ipod so it's not really worth buying one of those tiny hard drives.
12:41<Supaplex>they make cheap flash nowadays
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12:42<Supaplex>2gb for $11 shipped last I shopped a few days ago
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12:42<istoc>Huh, not a bad idea
12:43<istoc>Im not sure a SD card would be compatable with the (I think) IDE interface
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12:44<Supaplex>oh, looks like they sold out. that didn't take long. :P
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12:48<IRCMonkey>Hi, I am looking for making a distant kdestart, through ssh -X; I've read a couple of description of it (google startx ssh). But I can't make it working.. At this time, I've got a second X started on 'localcomputer' which has disply nuber :1; 'but' I've got noting on it(!!), not even a console or term.. I started it in tty1. I did ssh -x distantcomputer; and I am trying to start kde on distant.. twm& -> unable to ope
12:49<sacha>check for export display IRCMonkey ;)
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12:52<IRCMonkey>xlib connection to 0:0 refused by server; no protocol specified...
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12:54<IRCMonkey>before : export DISPLAY=:0, then twm&
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13:01<IRCMonkey>is there an irc dedicated to X?
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13:02<widowmaker>hi all, is there a way to turn an old laptop into a wireless adsl router?
13:02<padski>there appears to be a #xorg on freenode
13:02<bradley>jam some coathangers in it lol
13:02<bradley>i dont know
13:03<widowmaker>well first u gota stick in a wireless card
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13:03<widowmaker>n its alreaduy got and ethernet card
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13:03<bradley>maybe multiple cards?
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13:03<widowmaker>my normal router has a telephone line input, with ethernet rj-45 outputs
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13:04<widowmaker>how would i stick the telephone line into the laptop... :-?
13:04<bradley>maybe get a router w/ an uplink port?
13:04<IRCMonkey>padski: thanks
13:04<widowmaker>nah i dont want to get a router
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13:05<widowmaker>i wana convert my old laptop
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13:06<widowmaker>im guessing if i go this route, i will still need an adsl modem, correct?
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13:09<weasel>very likely.
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13:09<widowmaker>so best option would just to get a wireless adsl router?
13:09<weasel>that's what I'd do
13:09<weasel>preferably one that can be hacked too
13:10<widowmaker>but wait i already have a non-wireless router
13:10<widowmaker>so i can connect ethernet out of that into ethernet in of laptop, correct?
13:10<widowmaker>and then hook up a wireless card, into the laptop
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13:11<widowmaker>and conenct my other pcs to the laptop, so they can connect to the adsl
13:11<widowmaker>i like it
13:12<The_Chad>has anyone had problems with the installer recognising the cd drive the first time its run
13:12<The_Chad>yet if they ran it again
13:12<The_Chad>it didn't work
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13:13<widowmaker>not me chad
13:13<widowmaker>i think its worth the 10$ risk
13:14<The_Chad>its a good dvd drive and all
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13:14<widowmaker>chad: can u always boot from the dvd?
13:14<The_Chad>i really want to start using debian
13:14<widowmaker>ok lets hook u up then
13:14<The_Chad>it boots easily
13:14<widowmaker>so how do you know the installer dont recognise the drive?
13:15<The_Chad>it boots from dvd
13:15<The_Chad>and it goes through the installer
13:15<The_Chad>until it goes to detecting hardware
13:15<The_Chad>and then it determines that i dont have a driver for the dvd drive
13:15<The_Chad>i find this hard to believe though, because i've already booted the disk using that drive
13:15<widowmaker>r u sure its for the dvd drive and not the hard drive??
13:16<The_Chad>i had problems with it detecting only one of my hard drives
13:16<The_Chad>and the one it detected was the hard drive that i wanted to keep.. as it had my vista install on it
13:17<widowmaker>wat mobo u running?
13:17<widowmaker>kraaitjie same as mine
13:17<The_Chad>its a nice board ahey
13:17<The_Chad>i like it anyway
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13:17<widowmaker>wen i installed etch, i couldnt detect my hdd
13:18<The_Chad>its comforting to know :)
13:18<widowmaker>had to install to usb hdd
13:18<The_Chad>ohh :(
13:18<The_Chad>thats not lol
13:18<widowmaker>and copy to hdd
13:18<The_Chad>so you just made a disk image of the usb drive
13:19<widowmaker>what is the output of dmesg | grep hd
13:19<The_Chad>i've got a 30gb ipod i could do that with i suppose, but i dont really want to format it
13:19<widowmaker>what is the output of "dmesg | grep hd"
13:19<The_Chad>just run this in the installer?
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13:19<widowmaker>r u trying to install to the computer ur currently using?
13:19<The_Chad>no no
13:19<The_Chad>i'm on a spare one at the moment
13:20<widowmaker>then load up the installer
13:20<widowmaker>and press <alt "right arrow">
13:20<widowmaker>of <alt-F1>
13:20<widowmaker>or <alt-F>
13:20<widowmaker>or <alt-F2>
13:20<widowmaker>that takes u into a terminal window
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13:22<The_Chad>it didn't
13:22<widowmaker>r u using the graphical installer?
13:22<The_Chad>i believe so
13:22<widowmaker>if so press <alt-ctrl-F2>
13:22<The_Chad>its a black screen
13:22<widowmaker>u should enter text mode
13:22<The_Chad>with a red bass cleff
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13:22<widowmaker>wtf is that
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13:23<The_Chad>its that weird symbol
13:23<The_Chad>hard to explain really
13:23<widowmaker>try typing "dmesg"
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13:23<The_Chad>no.. no luck
13:24<The_Chad>i'm sorry to say this now... i feel kind of stupid, but this is a netinstall version
13:24<The_Chad>i'm guessing thats probably the reason why this isn't working
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13:41<Tuplad>might be a dumb question :p but can you connect a windows computer to this(debian) system so the windows system can have internet through me ? :}
13:42<widowmaker>short answer yed
13:42<widowmaker>short answer yes
13:42<Tuplad>what should I google for ?
13:42<Tuplad>I couldn't find a manual on debian's site
13:44<bremner>Tuplad: no guarantee it answers your question, but it is certainly a manual
13:46<Tuplad>bremner: yeah, that's where I searched :p
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13:47<bremner>I think router and gateway are two keywords
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13:47<Tuplad>bremner: whoa, nice one, thanks, I'll try it out
13:48<jorje_villafan>I am trying to get debian to stop freezing. I ran memtest86 a bunch of times to see if that could be the issue and sometimes I get no error and sometime I get a bunch of errors. Does anyone what this means?
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13:49<bremner>Tuplad: looks good
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13:50<bremner>jorje_villafan: cooling problems? The short answer is your hardware is probably broken. Intermittent is typical for hardware problems
13:50<Tuplad>bremner: oh yes it does!
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13:51<Tuplad>bremner: I'm just confused though about eth0 and eth1
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13:52<bremner>Tuplad: you need one ethernet port for your windows box and one for the internet
13:52<Tuplad>bremner: if I start hardinfo and go to Network Interfaces, I've got eth0 and lo for my second card
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13:52<bremner>then you need to spend about USD10 and buy a new ethernet card
13:52<Tuplad>bremner: the computer I'm about to configure is next to me, our computers are both connected, in this one I've got 2 network cards and the second network card is connected with a cable to mine.
13:53<Tuplad>eth0 = my main network card that is connected to my router, and lo is the one that I want to use for the other computer
13:53<Tuplad>it says interface type: loopback
13:53<bremner>no, lo is a fake network (loopback)
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13:53<bremner>Tuplad: try /sbin/ifconfig -a
13:55<Tuplad>it is recognized though
13:55<bremner>You are right, no eth1 there.
13:55<bremner>How do you know it is recognized
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13:55<Tuplad>bremner: in hardinfo > devices > pci devices I see : Token ring network controller: Olicom Token-Ring 16/4 PCI Adapter
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13:56<bremner>Token-Ring != ethernet
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13:57<Tuplad>the wikipedia is a bit vague, but it seems like it's the same concept
13:57<bremner>what happens if you go : /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up
13:57<Tuplad>eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: Нет такого устройства
13:58<Tuplad>the last means: No such device
13:58<jorje_villafan>bremner: how do I figure out what I need?
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13:58<bremner>Tuplad: ok, well, I think you probably have a pretty old computer? Anyway, I don't know anything about Token Ring, sorry.
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13:59<Tuplad>bremner: no no, my computer is not old, I just took an old network card from the closet :D
13:59<bremner>Tuplad: any more cards in the closet?
13:59<Tuplad>bremner: I'll check it out, I'll let you know if I got a decent one
13:59<Tuplad>bremner: but you'd suggest to just go and buy a new network card?
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13:59<IRCMonkey>Hi, to stop the X server?? Any idea?
13:59<Supaplex>don't open the pandora box
14:00<knoppix_>quien carajo sos??
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14:00<knoppix_>sorry , sorry
14:00<bremner>jorje_villafan: no idea really, but changing memory is the obvious thing
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14:00<Guest3260>good bye
14:00<bremner>Tuplad: yeah, if you can't find an ethernet card
14:01<Tuplad>bremner: roger that
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14:01<Supaplex>!tell Guest3260 -about es
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14:02<Supaplex>Guest3260: knoppix? no. debian? see what dpkg said
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14:07<Tuplad>bremner: what about this one ?
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14:11*bremner is thinking about it
14:13<SpeedyG>wow, 5 jaar garantie...
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14:14<blarson>I just did a reinstall/upgrade to sid on my amd64 system. Now unrelated programs are giving the error: "/var/lib/misc/protocols.db: No such file or directory" No package contains that file. Any ideas?
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14:15<ia64>hello guys.
14:15<Supaplex>!tell blarson -about sid upgrade
14:15<ia64>anyone can help me on apt-get.. i got 403 Forbidden message when i try to fetch some packages from mirror
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14:16<blarson>Supaplex: I am a DD
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14:17<tiCo>blarson: on my sid notebook /var/lib/misc/ exists but is empty... :)
14:17<bremner>blarson: discussed in #debian-devel today
14:17<Supaplex>okay :) just to hazard a guess, it might be related to /etc/protocols
14:18<ryan_>im having trouble getting my sound to work after i restart my system... im using alsaconf to get it working, but when i restart it doesnt work
14:18<bremner>blarson something about nss bug fixed today
14:18<ia64>anyone can help me on apt-get.. i got 403 Forbidden message when i try to fetch some packages from mirror
14:18<Supaplex>ia64: try a different mirror
14:19<ia64>Supaplex, how to change mirror?
14:19<Supaplex>ia64: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
14:19<Supaplex>!tell ia64 -about mirrors
14:19<tiCo>blarson: looks like something with libnss-db
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14:20<bremner>Tuplad: I dunno, I can't say for certain. If you can find the manufacturers site and get the chipset, then you can know for sure.
14:20<bremner>Tuplad: Gigabit is definitely overkill; an older 10/100 card will actually be more likely to work smoothly
14:21<bremner> lists one for EUR7
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14:23<Tuplad>bremner: alright, thanks! I'll go get one tommorow
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14:25<bremner>Tuplad: good luck
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14:32<dave33>i just try to install debian via a tftp-server running on an windows-xp-machine. has someone done this? msg me please.
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14:35<the-dude>dave33: yeah it is possible but I would not recomment is for just one machine
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14:35<Supaplex>dave33: ask the install guide
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14:35<rafael>how can i make that icedove opens iceweasel and not epiphany - didn't find an answer in google
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14:37<the-dude>rafael: check /etc/alternatives
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14:38<jagerman>rafael: update-alternatives --set gnome-www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel # ought to do it
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14:39<fxiny>rafael: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
14:39<jagerman>Alternatively, gnome-default-applications-properties
14:39<jagerman>as it might not be using {x,gnome}-www-browser
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14:39<dli>rafael, gnome-default-applications-properties is the obvious way
14:41<rafael>hi guys, no i found a better solution
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14:41<rafael>dpkg-reconfigure icedove there i was able to choose my browser
14:41<rafael>but thanks
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14:42<fxiny>that's bruteforce :P
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14:47<PetaWindows>why the zydas firmware installed with debian official packages doesn't work?
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14:47<Supaplex>PetaWindows: maybe it only works with some zydas hardware
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14:48<Supaplex>firmware is all too often non-free
14:48<nielsle>When I try to set a port in ckermit I get the error "Sorry, write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied." can anybody help me find out where this file is placed /var/lock is empty and I cannot find it in /tmp
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14:51<PetaWindows>Supaplex: may be... but is the only one that doesn't work, because when I download it from its webpage and I install it manually, it works perfectly... I have seen a lot of users with the same problem...
14:51<blarson>nielsle: you could run it under strace. or just read the documentation.
14:52<ia64>hello guys.. still can't access to mirror... i tried few mirror already.. some of them say 403 Forbidden, some say unable to fetch, some say cannot locate the files... why??
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14:52<Maulkin>ia64: What mirror, and for what architecture, and what files?
14:52<Supaplex>ia64: did you aptitude update after modifying sources.list? paste your sources.list to
14:53<dli>ia64, what's in your sources.list? nuke all and and get fresh new
14:53<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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14:53<spq>i have two nfs servers, one of them has a ip assigned and i want to be able to switch the ip, the data is the same, but when i switch the ip the clients become stale nfs file handles, what to do against that?
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14:54<ia64>Maulkin, my usual mirror was
14:54<Maulkin>spq: Do you want answering here, or on Freenode? You get to pick one.
14:54<ia64>and just now i change to and for some tries.. but still can't manage to get
14:55<dli>spq, umount at the client end first
14:55<Maulkin>ia64: is a bad mirror
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14:55<ia64>dli, what mean of nuke all?? delete everything inside??
14:55<dli>spq, update /etc/fstab and remount after IP change
14:55<ellobo>hi, anuyone managed to get both ram/disk suspend with nvidia ?
14:56<dli>ia64, yes, get a fresh new
14:56<Maulkin>I'm sure someone, somewhere has
14:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:56<ia64>Maulkin, any suggestion? because i'm in malaysia and my nearest was singapore
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14:57<ia64>or should i just go and try further one??
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14:57<dli>ia64, use one in india, japan, taiwan, or us, germany, the world is open to you
14:57<dpkg>[sources] /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy>
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14:58<Maulkin>ahh, yes
14:58<dpkg>apt-spy is, like, a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list
14:58<ellobo>dli: that's a new one :)
14:58<ia64>Maulkin, i read it just now... trying to get it, but i can't manage to apt-get anything now until i can get back my list.. anyway, go try one by one now
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14:59<ellobo>!dogrape dli
14:59*dpkg puts ellobo through a wood chipper for even *thinking* of such a thing
15:00<ellobo>yes... the old ones are still here :)
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15:01<octagon>anyone using clamscan on debian stable? for some reason it seems like it takes forever to start. complaining about being old, and just standing there...
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15:01<Maulkin>octagon: yes. People do.
15:01<bcochofel>Hi, sorry for asking this question here but maybe someone can help. I'm trying to tar.gz a dir but I need to keep the mode and owner
15:02<octagon>Maulkin: but do you have the problem I just described?
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15:02<bcochofel>I'm using tar czf has root and the owner changes to root
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15:02<bcochofel>how can I do this?
15:03<ellobo>bcochofel: tar zcpvf name.tgz someDir
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15:04<Maulkin>octagon: looks like it's loading your virus definitions...
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15:05<octagon>Maulkin: I have a newer version on my own desktop box, and it takes 1 second, the other takes 5 minutes on a 500 bytes file :(
15:05<bcochofel>thx ellobo
15:05<hever>sheldonh: Perhaps its interesting to you. I couldn't use tools like setquota or quotatool from inside a chroot to set quotas. Only If I turned quotas off I could update the limitation out of the chroot, which takes effect when I switched the quota on. And the intern format is "relative" simple...
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15:06<bcochofel>ellobo: well, still no good
15:06<bcochofel>I can't understand
15:07<Maulkin>octagon: investigating now, but yes, there's an issue
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15:10<octagon>Maulkin: since this is a temporary mail box, I'm considering compiling the debian testing version
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15:10<ellobo>bcochofel: let me check
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15:11<bcochofel>ellobo: it's keeping some files but the dirs no
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15:13<ia64>Maulkin, i accidentally delete everything inside my sources.list files.. how to build it back?? any default to download??
15:13<ellobo>bcochofel: humm... only file permissions are restored...
15:13<ellobo>bcochofel: dunno :/ google it
15:14<sepski>ia64, just grab the closest mirrors
15:14<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see
15:14<bcochofel>ellobo: thx anyway
15:14<ia64>sepski, whatabout the security update that have inside the original sources.list??
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15:15<jagerman>ia64: What debian are you running?
15:15<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
15:16<ia64>jagerman, etch
15:16<jagerman>ia64: ^ Add that, then.
15:16<sepski>ia64, replace stable with etch if you want to
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15:16<ia64>sepski, ok.. thx
15:16<jagerman>And then something like: deb stable main non-free contrib
15:16<jagerman>Change to your favorite mirror.
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15:17<ia64>jagerman, ok.. thx
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15:20<Maulkin>octagon: looking into it, not sure what's going on right now.
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15:25<ia64>ok.. all done... thanks guys...
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15:30<octagon>Maulkin: ok
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15:40<mjoffers>ehm im totally new to this channel
15:41<bradley>me too
15:41<mjoffers>I got a server running debian 4.0 which have problems with the caracter set... how do i ask for help if this is the correct channel ?
15:41<bradley>kinda just came with this 'konversation' proggie for linux i'm just gettin into
15:41<mjoffers>is there a debian channel for helping newbies ?
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15:42<JoanPau>Hello, I'm using debian testing but I have a doubt about configuring the network. Each time I start the session (in the gnome desktop) I have to write the DNS values in the network manager utility, because by default they appear blank. How can I configure my DNS as the default value for the boot? Thank you!
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15:43<octagon>when a package won't install properly, and then not be removed either.. is there a 'proper' way to fix it?
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15:43<Maulkin>octagon: still around?
15:43<octagon>since it wont install there is no way to reinstall it (as the system suggests)
15:44<SixT6>How are you uninstalling it?
15:44<Maulkin>octagon: can you run it with --debug, and put the result somewhere?
15:44<lupine_85>octagon: dpkg -r --force-stuff ?
15:44<octagon>SiCuTDeUx: dpkg -r <package>
15:44<SixT6>Use 'aptitude purge applicationstuff'
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15:44<octagon>SixT6: it can't.. the package is in an inconsistent state... and needs to be reinstalled.. but it won't install properly...
15:45<dpkg>it has been said that volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at
15:45<Maulkin>octagon: go see that url, that'll fix it
15:45<mjoffers>ehm can i ask a thing ?
15:46<mjoffers>im using debian version 4. i have problem with the correct caracters... the strange thing is that i shows strange caracters when running in ssh mode using mc....
15:46<dpkg>it has been said that volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at
15:46<octagon>Maulkin: the package problem you mean?
15:47<Maulkin>octagon: basically, "they come up with some new signature idea, and it really pessimizes the loader, and then they go rewrite the laoder"
15:47<Maulkin>octagon: no, for clamav
15:47<SixT6>mjoffers: aptitude install locales
15:47<SixT6>Chose en_US-UTF-8
15:48<octagon>Maulkin: I installed the testing version..
15:48<SixT6>Or if you have that package already, do a dpkg-reconfigure locales, then chose en_US-UTF-8
15:48<octagon>but the thing that really was a *bad* move was to download the MailScanner from testing, making a package and trying to install it :(
15:48<octagon>that is the one making my day now..
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15:49<octagon>it seems like it's the post-installation script that blocks it all
15:49<mjoffers>sixt6 ; it is already set to that but i'm danish
15:49<SixT6>Then chose en_DK.UTF-8
15:49<mjoffers>i have strange boxes when i logon and running mc
15:50<SixT6>Locales aren't set correctly
15:50<mjoffers>ok where do i paste the results of the locales command ?
15:50<JoanPau>Hello, I'm using debian testing but I have a doubt about configuring the network. Each time I start the session (in the gnome desktop) I have to write the DNS values in the network manager utility, because by default they appear blank. How can I configure my DNS as the default value for the boot? Thank you!
15:51<SixT6>Install en_US.UTF-8 and en_DK.UTF-8, set the en_DK.UTF-8 as standard
15:51<SixT6>mjoffers: Do a dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:51<SixT6>You can paste it on
15:51<mjoffers>ehm im totally kind of newbie
15:51<SixT6> *
15:51<mjoffers>i starts paste sixt6 before running anything ok ?
15:51<SixT6>Do it on that site
15:52<SixT6>Then give us the link
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15:53<mjoffers>hmm... have pasted it dont give me a link on
15:53<mjoffers>sixt6 : ??
15:54<SixT6>I guess the letters you are having trouble with are æøå?
15:55<mjoffers>and also when running mc in the command line
15:55<mjoffers>midnight commander
15:55<mjoffers>apt-get install mc
15:55<mjoffers>a norton a like clon on debian
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15:56<SixT6>Don't know anything about that mc-app
15:56<mjoffers>sixt6 : you are correct i have problems with æøå
15:56<mjoffers>thats ok...
15:56<SixT6>But do a dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:56<SixT6>Add en_DK.UTF-8
15:57<SixT6>And select it as standard
15:57<mjoffers>just as you typed it... ok
15:58<mjoffers>are you sure off utf-8 and not iso-8859-15 ?
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15:59<mjoffers>ok it says done what not ...
16:00<mjoffers>hmm still problems with ascii charaters
16:00<SixT6>Either you'll have to restart your terminals or you'll have to restart x
16:00<SixT6>Don't remember
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16:00<SixT6>Restart the terminals is easier to test
16:00<mjoffers>restart sshd ?
16:00<mjoffers>how do i do that ?
16:01<Jasper>Can someone help me getting an internet connection up with ndiswrapper? I have a minimal install without internet and I have just about no clue what i can so to make it work - tried everything I could think of already
16:01<SixT6>Shut them down then open new ones
16:01<mjoffers>just close the ssh connection and open a new one ?
16:01<spq>i have two nfs servers, one of them has a ip assigned and i want to be able to switch the ip between those servers, the data is the same, but when i bring the ip down on server A and bring it up on B again, the clients become stale nfs file handles, what to do against that?
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16:02<mjoffers>sixt6 i have strange charaters... when i logon to ssh....
16:02<mjoffers>bash: [21~: command not found
16:02<mjoffers>what is wrong....
16:03<mjoffers>it should not say bash: [21~: command not found
16:03<a_dave>hi all, dpkg doesn't seem to be responding to me in this channel. what package is stdio.h, stdlib et al in?
16:03<SixT6>mjoffers: Are you running x or in text-mode?
16:03<a_dave>mjoffers: looks like you pressed arrow-up or delete or something
16:04<mjoffers>hmm im running putty.... something i need to look for ?
16:04<lupine_85>a_dave: libc6-dev
16:04<SixT6>a_dave: Do you know if he has to restart to get the new locales working? I can't remember doing that myself
16:04<lupine_85>or whatever they call it these days
16:04<lupine_85>no, that's it: libc6-dev - GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
16:04<a_dave>sixt6: not sure
16:04<lupine_85>also, apt-file ftw
16:05<a_dave>lupine_85: thanks :-)
16:05<Jasper>does anyone know how I can go about installing ndiswrapper without an internet connection?
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16:05<lupine_85>Jasper: grab the packages from a machine /with/ internet connectivity; install them on your PC without. transfer using $suitable_tech
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16:07<mjoffers>sixt6 : im running in text mode
16:07<Jasper>I have been trying that, but the debian standard packages keep telling me more dependencies - making reboot every time
16:07<SixT6>mjoffers: Use the locales command and check if they're updated
16:08<mjoffers>they arew
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16:08<SixT6>Does it say en_DK.UTF-8 now?
16:08<Jasper>and with the ndiswrapper source package it gives an error that it cannot find my kernel header files, while I did install it (or at least try to and installed something)
16:09<mjoffers>sixt6 yes
16:09<mjoffers>but still strange characters when running something that shows ascii charaters for graphics is you know what i mean ?
16:09<lupine_85>you need linux-headers-`uname -r` installed
16:10<SixT6>mjoffers: Do you have irssi on your computer?
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16:11<Jasper>I think I have that package - but how can I check whether I really have?
16:11<mjoffers>what is that ?
16:11<mjoffers>and on what comp ?
16:11<SixT6>irc client
16:11<mjoffers>client or server ?
16:11<SixT6>The one you're using
16:11<mjoffers>no i dont
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16:11<mjoffers>im using mirc
16:11<SixT6>On linux?
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16:11<mjoffers>no im running windows vista on client and linux debian on server
16:12<SixT6>Your putty settings are incorrect then =
16:12<mjoffers>hmm what do i look for ?
16:13<mjoffers>terminal or window ?
16:13<SixT6>I have no idea
16:13<SixT6>Gentoo on my server, debian on my workstation and laptop
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16:15<Jasper>is it possible to get a package and all dependencies all at once?
16:15<Jasper>from windows that is
16:16<mjoffers>sixt6 do i need to change anything in apache conf settings ?
16:16<mjoffers>to get it to use danish letters ?
16:19<SixT6>You need to change some settings in putty, I don't know where they are
16:19<mjoffers>sixt6 : what would you suggests to look at ?
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16:20<SixT6>I don't know, I haven't used putty so I don't know anything abuot its settings
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16:30<Jasper>I guess I downloaded all the packages I need now (plus more, probably) - now is there is some way to have aptitude read those files? that's going to be a lot easier then using dpkg for each one of them
16:30<Jasper>I would probably do something (no idea what, though) when doing all of it by hand
16:31<Jasper>*do somethign wrong
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16:35<Jasper>is there no way to do that or are you not sure whether there is a way (or is there a way, but it is waaaay too hard for someone like me who is already having troubles getting ndiswrapper installed)?
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16:40<Jasper>I'll go and get someting to drink and try to not think about debian or ndiswrapper or anything relater for a couple of minutes and then I'll try again
16:40<Jasper>probably by installing 15+ packages by hand using dpkg
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17:01<rduser>I feel like a newb - i installed 4.0r0 kde from cd-1
17:01<rduser>i can't figure out networking in this thing
17:01<rduser>the eth interface keeps incrementing
17:01<rduser>i can set up a simple eth0 for some reason i can't figure
17:02<rduser>hey antares
17:02<rduser>hey antonio even
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17:02<Supaplex>rduser: see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules
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17:03<Supaplex>!tell rduser -about z25
17:03<rduser>Supaplex gonna look now - thanks
17:03<Supaplex>rduser: what driver is the nic?
17:04<antonio>I need help to create a scipt to backup files to a usb
17:04<Supaplex>if your dhcp server is annoyed by your ever changing mac address, your interfaces (man 5 interfaces) file can force a mac address
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17:05<rduser>i just want a simple static eth0
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17:06<dli>rduser, it's okay to just use static ip
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17:07<lupine_85>well, you could dhcp it then use post-up in the interfaces file to change the IP to something that you know will be free (in the same netmask, of course)
17:07<lupine_85>best of both worlds
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17:08<rduser>dli, I am setting up /etc/network/interfaces like I have always done, but it is simply not working
17:08<Supaplex>lupine_85: provided dhcpcd or whatever doesn't change it back.
17:08<lupine_85>well, I guess
17:08<lupine_85>I rarely use DHCP
17:09<rduser>Supaplex, driver: # PCI device 0x10de:0x03ef (forcedeth)
17:09<rduser>SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c:d4:19:9f", NAME="eth0"
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17:09<rduser>looks like the cards mac address keeps changing?
17:09<Supaplex>rduser: figures :P I installed an e100 card.
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17:09<rduser>why do that?
17:09<Supaplex>yup, known bug of sorts
17:09<rduser>seems crazy to change the mac
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17:10<dli>rduser, how does it change? some example?
17:10<Supaplex>I think it's fixed for some adapters, but others are not.
17:10<Supaplex>dli: on reboot
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17:10<rduser>still what's an easy way to disable dhcp on eth0 and do a simple static?
17:10<rduser># PCI device 0x10de:0x03ef (forcedeth)
17:10<rduser>SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c:e8:61:04", NAME="eth1
17:10<rduser>and so on
17:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
17:11<Supaplex>rduser: man 5 interfaces covers that. just follow what dpkg said on z25
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17:11<rduser>will that break more than this though Supaplex ?
17:11<dli>rduser, you get problem with udev-persistent, or dhcp?
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17:12<Supaplex>rduser: to the best of my knowledge, no
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17:14<rduser>gonna try that fix and see if I still ahve a net connection when done...
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17:18<Jasper>Supaplex, I love that game!
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17:19<Supaplex>Jasper: ty :) google it and see what's new
17:19<rduser_>looks like I am golden on that issue - thanks so much, I have never run into that before...
17:20<rduser_>now back to getting rivendell and associates working properly...
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17:20<Jasper>what's new? There's something new 'bout that classic game?
17:21<debianiac>what is a nice applet that shows on the panel the wireless signal strength?
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17:25<dli>debianiac, network manager (from gnome)
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17:26<debianiac>dli: but does it shows the signal strength on the panel?? like those little green stairs...
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17:27<dli>debianiac, yes, the nm-applet
17:27<debianiac>dli: ok then....i will try it, thanks!
17:27<Jasper>So.. does anybody know an efficient way of installing ndis on a minimal edge install without internet? If not I'll try installing all the dependencies and all with dpkg
17:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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17:29<debianiac>dli: how can i put it in the panel once I installed it?
17:29<ick>any system monitor (cpu, mem, net, etc.) suggested (gnome desktop)? thx
17:30<dli>debianiac, start "nm-applet" in you session
17:30<debianiac>dli: I'm not sure what you mean... (sorry I'm a newbie)
17:31<Jasper>well, I guess I'll see you all then when I get stuck again (I hope not of course, but I'm guess it's pretty hopeless)
17:32<dli>debhelper, apt-get install network-manager-gnome
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17:33<dli>debhelper, it should be auto, if not run: gnome-session-properties , and add nm-applet to session list at startup
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17:34<debianiac>dli: ok, thanks again
17:34<dli>debhelper, nm is a network manager, so, it's more than just a monitor, otherwise, gnome has simple wireless strength monitor. but nm is what newb users really need
17:35<dondelelcaro>dli: you're talking to a bot...
17:35<debianiac>dli: what simple wireless strength monitor is that?
17:35<dondelelcaro>(you want debianiac, not debhelper)
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17:36<dli>debianiac, just right click on your gnome panel empty area, and choose the applet to add, find "wireless"
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17:41<dpkg>somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
17:41<mzhang>dli, regarding cpufreq, it turns out that it's a kernel incompatibility with the bios (or vice versa) and some patch can solve it, however, once I overclock the FSB everything fails permanently. It's also documented in their mailing-list.
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17:43<dli>mzhang, yes, possible, once you oc, you may have to write your own cpufreq table
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17:43<debianiac>dli: my system doesnt have this "wireless" item...the closer to that is the "network monitor"
17:43<mzhang>dli, there is no known way to incorporate that into cpufreq, unless you rewrite their code...
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17:46<Requiem>how would you install debian sans gui?
17:46<lupine_85>Requiem: don't select a DE to be installed during the task selection part of the installation
17:47<lupine_85>'desktop' task, or whatever they call it
17:47<mzhang>dli, what ports to forward if I want to use ssh/scp/ssh -X?
17:47<lupine_85>alternatively, start with a chroot and build up
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17:47<dli>mzhang, ssh need 22 only
17:47<mzhang>dli, even -X?
17:47<dli>mzhang, right
17:47<mzhang>dli, thanks.
17:47<Requiem>task selection part? um... haven't seen that since sarge
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17:47<debnoob>Good morning, good evening and good night, my friends
17:47<dli>mzhang, have a look at:;a=summary
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17:48<debianiac>debnoob: good evening
17:48<Requiem>oh wait, it probably overrides that when I tell it to install KDE off the command line
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17:49<mzhang>dli, I don't see any readily valuable info.
17:50<dli>mzhang, that's the dev base for cpufreq
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17:52<debnoob>I have a couple of questions. first, I have 2 CD burners on the system and am using gnome, I would like to add CD's to my repository list usng my second CDROM but the software properties application or the synaptic package manager repositories feature only looks for the CD in the first cdrom. is there a conffile I can edit to allow it to only check my second cdrom?
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17:53<debnoob>I tried removing the first CDROM from the PC physically but it still tries to find the CD in the first CDROM even if it's not connected to the PC
17:54<mzhang>dli, actually I suspect frequency scaling is automatically done by hardware, without the help of cpufreq, although in this case the voltage itself wouldn't change.
17:55<dli>mzhang, yes, but acpi itself
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17:56<mzhang>dli, btw, super_pi 1M runs 11.4s with 3.4GHz under x86_64, beats cain.
17:57<dli>mzhang, cain does 18s
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17:57<dli>mzhang, the ratio is more than 2.4GHz -> 3.6GHz. I wonder why. the ram speed ratio is even smaller
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17:58<mzhang>dli, must be the cas-4?
17:58<dli>mzhang, cain is already cas-4
17:59<mzhang>cache? but I suppose a single die has the same cache as your c2d.
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17:59<dli>mzhang, super-pi doesn't do parallel
18:00<dli>mzhang, how much total ram in "free -m"?
18:00<mzhang>dli, my ram timing is 4-4-4-12, I doubt cain has that?
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18:00<mzhang>dli, I am at school, I will check when I get back home.
18:01<dli>mzhang, cain has 3879
18:01<Tarcas>mzhang, what's the question about Core 2 Duo die cache?
18:01<dli>mzhang, at least 200MB less
18:02<mzhang>Tarcas, we are trying to understand why super_pi runs much faster on C2Q than C2D after taking into account the frequencies.
18:02<Tarcas>How much faster? Double?
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18:04<Tarcas>The duos have 4 Mb shared L2 (plus 32 Mb L1 per core) and I see quads with 8 and 12 Mb L2.
18:05<jagerman>Am I missing something? The ratio seems fairly close: 2.4 -> 3.6 = +50%, and 11.4 -> 18 is roughly 15%?
18:05<jagerman>err s/15/50/
18:06<jagerman>$Tarcas =~ s/Mb/MB/g
18:07<Tarcas>jagerman, assuming 11.4 is the time on the 2.4 duo and 18 is the time on the 3.6 quad, I'm wondering if you're actually using all the cores?
18:07<mzhang>jagerman, it's about right, but after scaled the freq back, c2q gave 16s, still faster than c2d's 18s.
18:07<jagerman>Tarcas: super-pi, I believe, is single-threaded.
18:08<jagerman>mzhang: super-pi *should* scale essentially linearly; 11.4 and 16s don't sound right.
18:08<jagerman>That is, should scale linearly on the same CPU architecture.
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18:09<Tarcas>jagerman: A single-threaded app won't give you any more boost on the quad. you MIGHT be able to steal a little of the shared cache from your sister core to save some page faults, but other than that, you might as well have a Conroe at the same speed.
18:09<dli>mzhang, indeed, I just did cain again, it's 17s for 1M
18:09<mzhang>jagerman, 11.4s at 3.4GHz (OC-ed), so 16s at 2.4GHz (stock freq, same as C2D).
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18:09<mzhang>dli, it's about 1s difference from linear scaling.
18:10<jagerman>Tarcas: I don't think Intel's quads are entirely shared
18:10<jagerman>Tarcas: Since the architecture is really 2 duos stuck together
18:10<koollman>there is no such thing as 'linear scaling' in multi core .. not when you have a whole OS scheduling every parts :)
18:10<dli>mzhang, I don't expect it to be linear. only like pure in cpu like " mov ax, bx" could be linear
18:10<Tarcas>jagerman: The quads are just two duos on one die. Shared cache is between two cores, not all four.
18:10<jagerman>koollman: Right, but I'm talking about clock speed scaling on a single core; multicore doesn't really entire into it at all.
18:11<dli>mzhang, 11.4s is still impressive, without liquid cooling
18:11<koollman>jagerman: except the OS may decide to move the process on another core, or to not remove another process using the same core, or it's on the core receiving interruptions, or ...
18:11<jagerman>Tarcas: Yes, that's what I meant. A single core of a 12MB quad shouldn't be any better than a single core of a duo quad
18:11<jagerman>err, duo core
18:12<mzhang>dli, the reason I considered it linear is because I am using the same multipliers for both CPU and RAM, I guess.
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18:13<Tarcas>There is one thing you all haven't considered (AFAIK) which is other processes on the system. If the OS is swapping super-pi out more on the dual-core in order to make room for other things, then your time WILL be better on the quad.
18:13<mzhang>dli, I am using 378x9 and 378x2 for CPU/RAM, I suppose cain uses 266x9 and 266x2 (or it is DDR2 667)?
18:13<Tarcas>mzhang: Is it safe to assume that you have the same FSB frequency on both?
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18:14<mzhang>Tarcas, I probably only scaled up the FSB. I am not sure about the ram multiplier on the C2D.
18:15<dli>mzhang, 266x2 is 533, it's 667
18:15<Tarcas>mzhang: That could be part of the issue.
18:15<Tarcas>Anybody know if it's possible to get a count of page faults for an individual process under Linux? It's not in top.
18:15<mzhang>dli, so ok, cain should be faster than linear scaling.
18:15<mzhang>dli, which is the contrary of the reality.
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18:17<jagerman>Tarcas: /proc/PID/stat has it, I believe
18:17<jagerman>man proc
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18:18<Tarcas>Check that on each system. See if the duo is faulting more than the quad. Linear scaling is assuming no page faults. After that you have to take the FSB and RAM latency into account and the numbers get really ugly.
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18:19<jagerman>Is one under x86-64 and the other under x86?
18:19<jagerman>The extra available registers under x86-64 could make a huge difference
18:20<mzhang>jagerman, super pi is a x86 binary, and both systems are x86_64.
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18:20<Tarcas>jagerman. I wouldn't say huge, but good thought anyway.
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18:21<leleobhz>someone can tellme why i have this error compiling libvirt + xen in etch? /usr/include/xen/xen.h:578: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'char'
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18:24<Tarcas>sounds like your header file has a syntax error.
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18:33<leleobhz>Tarcas: but what can i do?
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18:35<Bousteur>hello everybody. I need some help. I got some unuse space (non-formated) on two hard-drives in the same machine. But I am a noob (apologize :p), and I dunno how to format my partitions without graphical interface. Could someone gimme the commandline ? I promise I'll man the command :p thanks a lot
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18:36<koollman>Bousteur: cfdisk to partition the disk, and mkfs.<yourfshere> to format it
18:36<koollman>(mkfs.ext3 being a common default choice)
18:36<Bousteur>thanks :)
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18:39<Tarcas>leleobhz: If you're a coder, you can figure out what's wrong. Otherwise, you can file a bug report.
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18:42<leleobhz>Tarcas: but its a debian issue, a xen issue or a libvirt issue?
18:43<leleobhz>p.s: im not a C programmer
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18:45<Tarcas>leleobhz: The error is in a xen header file. Looks like the xen source is at fault (assuming the libraries are all the right versions and you're compiling it correctly)
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18:46<julian>Server version: Apache/2.0.52
18:47<julian>Starting httpd: [FAILED]
18:47<julian>help me
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18:48<debnoob>hmm,ok how about another noob question, If I had 2 CDROMs in my system and removed one physically. how do I remove it from the Linux system? is removing the entry in fstab enough?
18:50<Bousteur>julian something's wrong in apache's conf ?
18:50<koollman>debnoob: yes, it's enough
18:50<Tarcas>debnoob, if you just want it to not try to mount the CDROM, the fstab should be the only change you need. You may also want to unload the modules that are specific to that drive, but if you have another, that's probably not necessary (or advisable)
18:50<julian>mmm no
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18:54<gsimmons>julian: What Debian suite are you using?
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18:55<Knorrie>afaik there is no debian version that reports Starting httpd: \s+ [FAILED]
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18:56<javo>hi, i just bought a bluetooth mouse from genius with his own bluetooth usb dongle, this mouse works perfetcly in my debian lenny, but when i try to run kbluetooth , this aplication crashes
18:57<javo>i want to use the dongle to connect with my phone i.e.
18:58<themill>julian: you aren't using debian, are you. What are you running?
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19:05<debnoob>ok Tarcas, but I want the drive gone, I am removing it from the PC. When it is not connected, my second drive still identifies as a second drive, I want it to be my first (cdrom)
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19:08<debnoob>I'm gonna try editing fstab, I just wasn't sure if there was somewhere else I should remove or edit
19:08<leleobhz>Tarcas: DEFINE_XEN_GUEST_HANDLE(uint8_t); this are into this line
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19:09<dka7414>one everyone
19:09<dka7414>can anyone help me with a compiz cube cap problem
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19:16<debnoob>interesting compiz cube issue. I am looking forward to either setting up beryl, or compiz or compiz-fusion any recommenations?
19:17<lupine_85>debnoob: tried KDE4? :p
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19:19<lupine_85>any particular reason why I /shouldn't/ mount /home off a remote machine (probably using sshfs) over a LAN?
19:19<lupine_85>I say remote, I mean probably about 5ft away
19:20<koollman>lupine_85: users can't login if network is dead. but it's not a reason to not use it
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19:20<koollman>and it's not particularly fast
19:23<lupine_85>mm. Well, it's basically going to be used as an auxiluary box to the main one (where /home is currently)
19:23<debnoob>lupine_85: I'm actually preparing to set up KDE now
19:23<lupine_85>I'm thinking if I do it like this, I can get away with using one of my tiny hard drives - or even an SD card - as / on the aux. PC
19:23<koollman>lupine_85: I would probably use nfs for that kind of things
19:23<lupine_85>mm, but that would involve me having to learn how to set it up :D
19:23<lupine_85>whereas I already know how sshfs works
19:23<koollman>oh .. it would take a good .. 5 minutes ? :)
19:23<debnoob>whoa the five letter word... learn
19:23<koollman>maybe 10 if you don't read quickly
19:23<lupine_85>the LAN itself would basically be a dedicated connection - only used to share /home
19:23<koollman>sshfs use ssh and fuse... and I don't think it would handle network problems correctly.
19:23<lupine_85>and since it's ATA-133, I can't see network bandwidth being /much/ of a bottleneck
19:23<lupine_85>but yeah, maybe NFS would be worth looking at
19:24<koollman>lupine_85: aptitude install nfs, edit /etc/exports, add a line '/home othermachine(rw)', restart nfs. server setup is done
19:24<lupine_85>it's hard to get network problems on a 5ft cable :D
19:24<lupine_85>thanks for the perspective
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19:25<koollman>on client, edit fstab to use nfs for /home, and server:/home as the 'device'. mount /home. client setup is done
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19:27<Bousteur>thanks for all
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19:27<koollman>lupine_85: another thing you may want to do is to make sure user id are equals, at least for users in /home
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19:28<lupine_85>for NFS, yeah. I understand it's a bit... fragile in that respect
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19:29<koollman>yeah. I use NIS at home, so it's not really a problem for me. But it would take at least 30 minutes to understand it ;)
19:29<koollman>and I would probably not use it in a relatively 'open' network
19:30<themill>you even need to make sure the userids are the same if you are using samba these days :(
19:30<lupine_85>yeah. This is extremely private
19:30<lupine_85>I'm basically turning my new dual core machine + my old single-core machine into a triple-core machine :p
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19:35<meteor-1500>in etch, how do i control the order in which sound card alsa drivers load?
19:35<meteor-1500>i keep on having a problem where a chipset onboard loads before my audigy card
19:35<lupine_85>meteor-1500: in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
19:35<meteor-1500>can't find any alsa config files anywhere
19:35<meteor-1500>lupine_85: no such file? what should go in it?
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19:35<lupine_85>e.g. I have options snd-hda-intel index=0
19:35<meteor-1500>ah ok ta
19:36<lupine_85>obviously, your secondary card should be index=1
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19:36<meteor-1500>ok thanks, trying that now
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19:45<Gekz>I would like to install Debian on this system I'm running Arch Linux on right now, but I'd like to install it from within Arch, because I want to be able to continue what I'm doing. When I say 'within' i don't mean on top, I mean inside this OS i'd like to install it to a blank hard drive.
19:46<dpkg>rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
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19:56<Gekz>I know I can debootstrap.
19:57<Gekz>but that's not what I want.
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20:00<marcos>I'm am about to implement CCB 2720 - no service interruption involved
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20:05<eduardo_>hola todos
20:05<eduardo_>estoy probando la mini distro de guadalinex
20:06<eduardo_>para tomar la desicion de si la instalo o no en mi sistema
20:06<junior01>eduardo, /join #debian-es
20:06<eduardo_>hay alguien que me pueda dar referencias de esta distro?
20:07<eduardo_>y si saben la forma en la que puedo instalar open office pues abiword no me convence mucho
20:08<eduardo_>gracias por su tiempo
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20:09<Odd_Bloke>Gekz: I think you want to debootstrap as if the blank drive is a chroot...
20:10<koollman>eduardo_: I think you want something like 'aptitude install'. but you should try in #debian-es
20:10<eduardo_>koolman: gracias thank you
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20:13<Gekz>Odd_Bloke: a debootstrap isn't an entire system
20:13<Gekz>it's just a chroot, you cant boot it
20:13<Gekz>I want to install Debian while running Arch, so when Debian is finished I can reboot into Debian :P
20:13<Gekz>not just a chroot.
20:14<Gekz>I just dont want to be without my only system while it installs
20:14<eduardo_>koolman o alguien: como puedo logeearme como root y perdonen pero soy nuevo en linux y quiero renunciar firmemente a windows
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20:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:22<eduardo_>sorry, someone can tell me how I can log in as root?
20:23<kcynice>I am a beginer,i often use su command
20:23<eduardo_>I am new to linux and estpy under experimentaciòn to decide to choose a distro to begin
20:24<kcynice>eduardo_:I often use su command to login as root
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20:24<Odd_Bloke>Gekz: Apparently qemu can be pointed at actual HDDs, you could look into that.
20:25<eduardo_>That is, I have to reboot and change the root user?
20:26<kcynice>you need not reboot your os
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20:27<eduardo_>I imagine that there must be a way to be connected as a user when trying to install a program that I ask is the key root, right?
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20:28<Gekz>Odd_Bloke: good thinking :)
20:28<kcynice>I have installed some softwares.If it needs root user,i use su command to get root privil
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20:30<Odd_Bloke>Gekz: I can't take the credit, but thanks. :D
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20:30<Odd_Bloke>Gekz: s/credit/blame/ also. ;)
20:31<Gekz>I considered all the ways it could backfire
20:31<Gekz>oh so many ways.
20:31<kcynice>eduardo_:if the program have to install as root in gui,you can stop x and login as root,then start x.
20:32<kcynice>eduardo_:but i don't think do too many things as root. Some one gave such advise to me
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20:34<eduardo_>Thanks, for now only wanted to install openoffice abiword because I served but I think that the solution conseguir
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20:35<Odd_Bloke>Gekz: Good luck!
20:35<eduardo_>Had not seen that this distro had synaptic:)
20:36<eduardo_>Thank you for your time and I decidì to remove SO windows with the few minutes I have with this distro:)
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20:38<Onepamopa>"morning" ;)
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20:43<Onepamopa>bernardo, hello
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20:48<kcynice>eduardo:hi,what you want to do?
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20:50<eduardo_>I want to create my PC network terminals for linux with few resources, and I am trying to see for several distros which I decided
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20:51<xseries>hi, I am having trouble with flash nonfree, i don't get any sound
20:51<piero>Hi! I'm installing etch on my old amd athlon tbird 1200, so I'm trying to use my system as fast I can. After I installed the base system, I installed gnome-core. It's all working ok, but I want those beautiful fonts that are used in my system and iceweasel when I install gnome-desktop-environment packet. Which packet I need to install? Thanks
20:52<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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20:55<kcynice>eduardo_:I am sorry for missing your point.
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20:57<eduardo_>No problem
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20:58<eduardo_>kcynice where are you from?
20:59<kcynice>eduardo: China
20:59<kcynice>eduardo: How about you?
20:59<eduardo_>ok good
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21:01<eduardo_>Kycnice: I invite him to a private conference?
21:01<kcynice>Ok,how long you begin to use debian?which is your main os,windows,debian or others?
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21:03<bernardo>Does anyone has monodevelop?
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21:15<matthewpoer>I am interested in intercepting network packets via my wireless connection - does anyone have some starting-point reading? I am somewhat familier with Wirelss networking, enough to keep my network online and at least somewhat secure.
21:17<Onepamopa>intercepting network packets, you mean - sniffing ?
21:17<matthewpoer>yes, and injecting
21:17<Onepamopa>want to become a hacker? :>
21:18<matthewpoer>anit-hacker - i'm an Information Security major
21:18<Onepamopa>there's no sush thing ;)
21:18<matthewpoer>But I don't get to take the cool classes for another year or so
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21:19<Onepamopa>matthewpoer, when you want your information to be secure, use non-networked computer
21:20<Supaplex>sneaker net!
21:20<Onepamopa>a what?
21:20<matthewpoer>slight loss of functionality with the sneaker network...
21:20<Supaplex>it's called sneaker net
21:20<Onepamopa>never heard of it
21:20<Supaplex>it predates electricity
21:20<matthewpoer>(the only thing goes in between the computers are the admin's sneakers - cuase he's running floppys back and forth)
21:21<dpkg>[sneakernet] "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes", attributed to various people, including Andy Tanenbaum, Dennis Ritchie, and Warren Jackson, or generally file transfer accomplished via physical storage walked from host to host.
21:21<Onepamopa>matthewpoer, you can use BackTrack
21:22<Onepamopa>check google
21:22<Supaplex>station wagon, semi truck, tapes, bluray. etc :)
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21:28<Supaplex>dpkg: wtf WWTFSMD
21:28<dpkg>Gee... I don't know what WWTFSMD means...
21:28<Sprocket>hey all
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21:32<xseries>anyone using flashplugin-nonfree, I don't get any sound?
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21:35<matthewpoer>xseries - I think the newest Adobe Flash players only work with ALSA - not OSS. Are you using ALSA?
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21:36<xseries>mattewpoer, I am using alsa
21:36<matthewpoer>Onepamopa, thanks for that link a few minutes ago. I will try that.
21:36<matthewpoer>xseries, do other applications have functional audio?
21:37<xseries>matthewpoer, yes
21:37<xseries>just flash is not working
21:37<xseries>But i know it should work, cause on another system it does
21:37<esaym>anyone here running the asterisk debian package?
21:38<matthewpoer>I'll say that I have never used the flashplugin-nonfree package, but I download it right from Adobe.
21:38<Supaplex>!anyone use asterisk.debs
21:38<dpkg>No, no one uses asterisk.debs, not even the people who use it.
21:38<Onepamopa>matthewpoer, I bet you will ;)
21:38<Supaplex>!tell esaym -about ask
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21:41<matthewpoer>Also, xseries - make sure it is the latest and greatest version. Flash for Linux has had a lot of problems in the last few months
21:41<xseries>matthewpoer, ok
21:42<lupine_85>not any more. It Just Works(tm) IME
21:42<matthewpoer>By the way, xseries - what sort of audio devices/modules do you use?
21:42<averna>Hi, I'd like to find out how what to download with my Synaptic Package Mgr so I can use most Java applets. I use Debian 3.1 and have the updates but I still get applet errors.
21:43<xseries>matthewpoer, alsa
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21:44<matthewpoer>xseries, in a terminal run "lsmod | grep snd_" and paste the output into #flood
21:44<matthewpoer>averna, what web browser do you use?
21:45<averna>I usually use Epiphany, tho I have Ice Weasel
21:45<averna>Thanks for reminding me of that...heh
21:45<xseries>mattewpoer, it shows lots of snd modules
21:45<averna>OK, I'll try it, thanks.
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21:46<matthewpoer>averna, verify that package sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin are installed
21:46<averna>ok, I'll look - I was just looking at those.
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21:47<matthewpoer>averna, they'll grap dependancies, be sure to allow them.
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21:48<xseries>mattewpoer, I am trying to install from adobe, and it says enter valid path ie. /usr/lib/mozilla: so I typed /usr/lib/mozilla, and it says please enter a vaild again, it won't accept it for some reason
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21:49<xseries>mattewpoer it worked now when I did as user, and not su
21:49<matthewpoer>xseries - you have Flash 9 for LInux, Update 3? in a mozilla-based browser, navigate to about:plugins and make sure it is build 9.0 r115
21:50<matthewpoer>xseries - I just let it install, as a user, into my home directory. It essentially just copies a pair of files into ~/.mozilla/plugins/
21:51<matthewpoer>system wide is nice, I know, but when it comes to my web browser, I just set it up for me. I guess that's easy to say because I'm on the only one who uses this machine...
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21:51<xseries>matthewpoer, i did same thing, but still no sound
21:52<xseries>matthepoer, I have same build as you too
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21:53<matthewpoer>Okay... if you run firefox from a terminal - and when it is open navigate to or whatever, so that the flash plugin is definatly used; does anything happen in the terminal? Are there any error messages or hints there?
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21:54<xseries>matthe, video plays, just no sound
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21:55<bernardo>how do I set an environment variable??
21:55<matthewpoer>no hints in the terminal?
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21:57<bernardo>matthewpoer: thank you
21:59<matthewpoer>xseries - I'm sorry, I haven't a clue. It seems like your audio is set up correctly. If there is no problem with your Flash installation then it must be a problem within Flash?
21:59<bernardo>anyone knows this package 'gtksourceview-sharp-2.0' ??
21:59<matthewpoer>One quick question - is it a notebook or desktop?
21:59<matthewpoer>!dpkg show gtksourceview-sharp-2.0
21:59<matthewpoer>!dpkg info gtksourceview-sharp-2.0
22:00<xseries>ok, thanks anyway
22:00<matthewpoer>xseries - do you have a desktop or notebook?
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22:01<matthewpoer>Sometimes particular notebook models get associated with software bugs, for example, googleing 'ibm thinkpad 600 audio' always found the right stuff for my old notebook
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22:07<mshelby1>Is there a specific debian channel for kde4?
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22:07<dondelelcaro>no, but there is #debian-kde
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22:12<averna>matthewpoer I don't think I have sun- java5 or 6 plugins. I seem to have a mozilla java plugin
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22:16<kcynice>hi,all.I want to install miro which depends on libatk1.0-0(>=1.20.0) but my libatk1.0-0 is version only 1.12.4-3
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22:17<kcynice>i use apt-get update ,it told me all the packages on my OS are the lastest versions.
22:17<rapid>What's the problem kcynice
22:17<kcynice>i use apt-get -f install,the errors remain
22:17<kcynice>rapid:I want to install miro
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22:18<rapid>And why are you unable to?
22:18<kcynice>I downloaded its deb file and excute dpkg -i xxx(package name)
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22:19<Requiem>so backport libatk
22:20<kcynice>you can see "" here,all its dependation listed
22:20<rapid>kcynice: Is it not in the apt repository?
22:20<Requiem>well there's your problem
22:21<Requiem>!tell kcynice about simple sid bacports
22:21<Requiem>!tell kcynice about simple sid backports
22:21<kcynice>yes,i use apt-cache search miro. had no results
22:21<Requiem>that should backport necessary dependencies too
22:22<kcynice>I am sorry,backport is what? how to do?
22:23<Requiem>it's for getting nwer programs onto stable
22:23<kcynice>ok,thank you
22:23<Requiem>in this case 1) change the src lin in /etc/apt/sources.list to be 'sid' instead of etch/lenny
22:24<Requiem>then just ue the commands dpkg gave you
22:25<kcynice>ok.but how about to download lenny version instead?
22:26<Requiem>use lenny in the deb-src line
22:26<dpkg>from memory, is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
22:27<mshelby1>So, there seems to be no traffic on debian-kde... Anyone here have an opinion on kde4 yet?
22:28<Requiem>not used it
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22:28<Requiem>think the whole 3d desktop thing needs to wait until graphics works right
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22:29<mshelby1>Requiem, I agree. I was first a bit bugged that Debian put kde4 in experimental -until I have been trying to use it. I agree it is not ready for prime-time yet.
22:29<rapid> mshelby1 It seems like the packages on debian-kde are broken atm
22:29<rapid>**described on
22:29<rapid>the ones in experimental
22:30<Requiem>but kde4 is still in beta, so even experimental is generous
22:30<mshelby1>rapid, I agree. I am wondering if my somewhat less than *stellar* experience is unique.
22:30<rapid>mshelby1: Well, I seem to have had it :-)
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22:31<rapid>if you want, I am planning to compile it to test on my system later this week, i can make dpkgs of it and send it to you if you want
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22:31<mshelby1>Requiem, I know what you mean. I figured a 4.0.0"stable" release meant that it was ready to go. Wow. was I underwhelmed!
22:31<mshelby1>Rapid, thanks, but I'll just wait.
22:31<rapid>mshelby1: No problem
22:32<Requiem>KDE releases are always buggy as hell though, they rely a lot on the distros to manage things
22:32<rapid>It seems like they were compiled wrong, I'm going to use the patches from the Gentoo project's version when compiling
22:32<Requiem>(as I found out, when Fedora wasn't managing right...)
22:33<mshelby1>rapid, I was just expecting a lot more 'under the hood.' Heck, I can't even move the panel! And I removed my menu from the panel, but when I try to re-add it it puts it on the desktop instead!
22:33<Requiem>ah yes, the KDE panel...
22:33<Requiem>they insist they fixed it in the version I have on their bug tracker
22:33<rapid>mshelby1: To be honest I've never been a big fan of KDE in the first place...It's always been UI nightmare in my opinion
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22:34<mshelby1>rapid, I've tried gnome. It's just a "left brain vs. right brain' thing I guess! I'm just more comfortable moving around in kde.
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22:34<Requiem>Now see, I love KDE, I just wish hey'd get it through their head that KDE isn't windows, they don't need to package buggy apps with it, and random crashes while updating are not appreciated
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22:36<rapid>mshelby1: I honestly don't terribly dislike either but i dislike 2 things in kde: everything has too many options that clutter the interface and I hate how program names begin with K, it just irritates me,
22:36<rapid>I know that's weird, but for example, I can't stand kdesktop and kpim and kwrite
22:36<mshelby1>Requiem, I agree. I was excited when I heard about the new system putting the various libraries in and making the packages "library independant."
22:36<rapid>it just seems rather, unprofessionaly I guess...or maybe I'm just OCD
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22:36<Requiem>actually, I partly take that back, I like KDEs text editors
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22:37<rapid>hi imperia
22:37<Requiem>kwrite sometimes too
22:37<Requiem>kindof a kate light
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22:37<rapid>I haven't used either a lot...I've been using vim lately but before that I used nano from a cli
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22:37<rapid>Hey, quick question
22:38<Requiem>if it was pay software kwrite would be the crapware you got with you're distro when you don't pay for kate :P
22:38<rapid>does anyobdy know anything about sleep mode in debian?
22:38<Requiem>no clue
22:38<imperia>what's that?
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22:38<rapid>imperia: sleep mode?
22:38<Requiem>I don't even have ACPI turned on...
22:38<RIVE>Hello, good night to all.
22:38<mshelby1>what I mean is I was looking forward to downloading the core libraries and core files, then not having to install meta-packages. That way I could put on my system what I wanted on it. What a concept!
22:38<rapid>ah, I'm on a laptop so I need it
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22:39<imperia>i am using apm -s to suspend my apm laptop (no ACPI support)
22:39<rapid>imperia: I see
22:39<imperia>you asking for the ACPI variant of that or?
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22:41<rapid>imperia: I am using the acpi variant indeed
22:41<rapid>but I just figured out the solution to my problem
22:41<rapid>now sleep mode works
22:41<Requiem>lenny finally got Mesa 7
22:42<Requiem>I can have graphics ^_^
22:42<mshelby1>I guess one of the things that bugs me is that they were going to release it back in October! Now that I see the finished product, I kind of wonder what have they been doing since october, or what kind of crap were they going to release back then! Like I said, I am less than overwhelmed with kde4
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22:42<rapid>mshelby1: Just imagine how bad it must have been in october then!
22:43<mshelby1>rapid, Ha! That's my point!
22:43<Requiem>it'll be nice once it works
22:44<mshelby1>Requiem, Yeah.. I guess it will. I think they should have had a more coordinated release strategy. Should have made sure most major distro's had the files ready for download.
22:44<SeveredCross>imperia: How old is your laptop if it doesn't support ACPI but supports APM?
22:45<rapid>I don't understand how it got the 4.0 version
22:45<rapid>SeveredCross: His laptop isn't necessarily old, a lot of newer laptops have broken ACPI implementations
22:45*SeveredCross knocks on wood.
22:45<Requiem>cause they Consider KDE4 to be a new project past KDE
22:45<imperia>its Pentium 266 MMX 64 ram ess audio s3 virge mx video 4gb hard disk .. that old :)
22:45<SeveredCross>Mine works fine for now...hibernate is borked, but I think that's not due to ACPI, I think it's a kernel bug.
22:46<Requiem>so it gets a whole number, for being the first official KDE4 release
22:46<Requiem>ah yes, kernel bugs
22:46<imperia>just complied after like 15 hours :)
22:46<Requiem>15 hours?
22:46<imperia>that fast :)
22:46<condector>holy crep
22:46<imperia>ye :(
22:47<Requiem>only takes me half an hour...
22:47*imperia cries.
22:47<condector>what's the matter?
22:47<condector>don't cry my friend
22:47<Requiem>MMX processor
22:47<SeveredCross>imperia: I imagine you've stripped that kernel to the bone.
22:47<condector>tell to us your problems (heheh)
22:47<Requiem>I have a pentium 3 you can have
22:47<condector>aa, I have one of this to, 133MMX, brave warrior!
22:47<imperia>actually no ... i have removed only ACPI
22:47<Requiem>draws about 20 a month iin power bills though
22:48<imperia>p3 is a monster
22:48<Requiem>I just feel sorry for anybody with a P4 power bill
22:49<Requiem>(my work used rows and rows of em... can't even begin to imagine)
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22:50<imperia>i will get huge power bills for that kernel compiling every 3-4 days for like 1 day :)
22:51<imperia>i heard i can upgrade the laptop to AMD K6-2 400mhz :p
22:51<Requiem>hmm, you do a lot of kernel compiling?
22:51<Requiem>Wondering if I can track my shutdown bug to a config option instead of a kernel bug
22:52<imperia>i am trying to optimize my kernel config as much as possible. also i want every new kernel
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22:52<imperia>what is your shutdown problem
22:52<rapid>imperia: That's right, I used to work on laptops of that era
22:52<Requiem>Was doing that for a while, till I realiseed it was the new kernels causeing my filesystem to corrupt
22:52<rapid>imperia: When the were younger
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22:53<imperia>actually only debian manager to install on that laptop.. and works pretty fine.
22:54<Requiem>you manage to get a GUI going on it?
22:54<imperia>gnome i think
22:55<imperia>yes not joking
22:55<imperia>i got skype
22:55<imperia>i were using iceweasel but its slow
22:55<rapid>imperia: you may be better of with links XD
22:55<imperia>elinks or lynx? :D
22:55<imperia>i got them both
22:55<Tarcas>imperia, you know not every new kernel bugfix will apply to you, right?
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22:56<imperia>i know.. but i like to have the latest things. but soon that may change after 2-3 more compliations of 15 hours
22:56<rapid>Tarcas: He's practicing for when kernel compiling becomes an olympic sport, shhh
22:56<Requiem>kernel compiling is fun
22:57<rapid>Requiem: That it is
22:57<imperia>i am training for the 2012 olympics :)
22:57<rapid>I usually roll my own along with some patches
22:57<Tarcas>15 hours? I compiled my server's kernel in 10 minutes 40 seconds.
22:57<imperia>dont tell me that
22:57<rapid>Tarcas: He's got a Pentium MMX laptop with 64MB ram
22:57<Requiem>yeah, but you had a server to compile with
22:57<Tarcas>Only took 5 tries to get a working one, from scratch (not looking off any old configs)
22:58*Requiem has yet to get a working one.
22:58<Tarcas>no wonder he needs 15 hours and as streamlined a kernel as he can get.
22:58<Tarcas>What was that about new things? :-P
22:58<Requiem>but hey, the debian devs don't have a working kernel for me either
22:58<rapid>Requiem if you tell me your computer model I will make you a working kernel config
22:58<imperia>Requiem: what is your shutdown problem?
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22:58<Tarcas>It's a Celeron 420. It's not exactly a power box.
22:58<Requiem>hard drive isn't being shut down, which is really bad with seagate
22:59<angasule>imperia: you have a laptop with 64MB? what pentium, exactly? I have one with 32MB, and a celeron coppermine 500MHz
22:59<Requiem>so my filesystem corrupts
22:59<imperia>pentium mmx
22:59<rapid>Requiem: What is the make and model of your computer?
22:59<Requiem>home built
22:59<angasule>I use distcc for compiling, since many things can't be compiled with so little memory
23:00<imperia>can you install it at all with 32mb?
23:00<angasule>I've used both serial and parallel cable networks, and I added bzip2 support to distcc so it'd work better over such slow connections
23:00<Requiem>asus p5k-vm board, with a E6550, and a soundblaster card (dunno the model, but emu10k1 chipset)
23:00<Tarcas>Reminds me of when I built a kernel for a P 133. I think it had 32 Mb and took like... 16 hours or something ridiculous. Again, a server so no video, sound, etc.
23:00<SeveredCross>Sounds like it would definitely be a headless machine
23:00<SeveredCross>I'm still amazed at how light Debian is compared to Ubuntu
23:00<Requiem>it's the southbridge (intel ich9) that I think is the problem
23:00<angasule>imperia: 32MB is enough to run a graphical system (used to have DSL with X11 running on it)
23:00<rapid>Requiem: I can make you a working kernel config
23:01<Requiem>cetainly willing to try
23:01<imperia>angasule: impressive! debian is so nice
23:01<SeveredCross>I did an install on an iMac G3 yesterday, < 600 MB for everything, including XFCE, X, mpd and Sonata and required libs, Synaptic, et.
23:01<Requiem>can you do it with a .23 for me? (and core 2 optimization of course)
23:01<Tarcas>SeveredCross: Ubuntu is designed to be easy to use. Debian is designed to be easily customizable.
23:01<imperia>.24 even better?
23:01<angasule>these days I prefer using the console, just links2 when I need graphical browsing, and we're working on a qtopia-core (Qt on the framebuffer) desktop
23:01<rapid>Requiem: Sure thing, give me about a week
23:01<Requiem>I'm gonna avoid that till it's out...
23:01<imperia>how can i see list of installed packages
23:02<angasule>well, straight debian won't work too well with 32MB, I had to do some tweaking :)
23:02<rapid>and please email me the full specs of your system
23:02<Requiem>on here a lot, so lemme know
23:02<rapid>PM me and I will give you my email address
23:02<SeveredCross>imperia: dpkg -l
23:02<rapid>I'm just migrating over from gentoo so kernel compilations are sort of second nature to me at this point
23:03<imperia>what's qtopia-core?
23:03<Tarcas>rapid: I'll be impressed if you nail that first try. Took me 5 tries for mine. Two panics, and then I forgot to include the USB drivers. Had USB support, but forgot the drivers. Took 3 boots w/ my keyboard not working to figure out why.
23:03<rapid>qtopia core is for mobile linux devices running the trolltech qtopia interface probably
23:04<rapid>Tarcas: I probably will, I've done a lot of different kernel configs before
23:04<Tarcas>As have I. Used to roll my own every month or so. It's been about 2 years though (not counting the ones I did this weekend)
23:04<rapid>Tarcas: You get panics if you don't compile in all of the filesystems you use and if you don't compile in the proper IDE or SATA chipset drivers
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23:05<Tarcas>That wasn't it. I tried to include some flash chips just in case... some of the drivers didn't like that. Also had a problem with AHCI. I knew to watch out for the FS drivers. Made that mistake one too many times to forget it again.
23:06<imperia>do you know any pastebin i can use with lynx?
23:06<Tarcas>You do yours monolithic or modular?
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23:06<rapid>Tarcas: Mine are all monolithic
23:06<rapid>for the most part
23:06<rapid>If it's something I only have connected sometimes I will make it a module
23:07<Tarcas>I think I built 5 modules, none are currently loaded. Two will come out when I finally remove the CD-ROM.
23:08<rapid>yeah, I try to avoid building modules for the most part, it's simpler for things to be compiled directly in
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23:08<debnoob>Hello again, my friendly debianites
23:08<Tarcas>Plus you don't forget and build your EXT2 support as a module too.
23:09<rapid>Tarcas: Hahaha that would be a problem
23:09<rapid>Well, not for me, I don't have any ext2 or ext3 filesystems, but for the vast majority it would be
23:09<Tarcas>that or the chipset drivers. :-P
23:10<rapid>Tarcas: Now they integrated the PATA and SATA chipset drivers into one section and will soon deprecate the old PATA section
23:10<debnoob>Quick question, (I hope) I just installed KDE from the Synaptic package manager. How do I change to the KDE desktop and how do I make it my default desktop
23:10<Tarcas>I run all ext3 unless I have a good reason. Then it's usually because I'm dual-booting Windows and want a shared partition, so it's NTFS.
23:10<rapid>to make things a bit more confusing
23:10<rapid>Yeah, my boot is formatted as resierfs and my other partitions are all jfs
23:11<Tarcas>they integrated PATA and SATA? I thought SATA was covered under SCSI
23:11<imperia>can you tell me why i see lvm is mounting 'debian' volume twice while kernel is booting? where are settings stored for this?
23:11<Tarcas>It probably mounts it once as read-only and once as read/write after things are loaded.
23:12<rapid>Tarcas: Now it's its own section
23:12<Tarcas>in .24?
23:12<rapid>Yeah, and .23 as well IIRC
23:12<Tarcas>'cause I don't recall seeing that in .23.13
23:12<rapid>It might be because of a Gentoo specific kernel patch
23:12<rapid>but I'm pretty sure it's in vanilla now too
23:13<Tarcas>commit c9927c2bf4f45bb85e8b502ab3fb79ad6483c244
23:13<Tarcas>Author: Linus Torvalds <>
23:13<Tarcas>Date: Tue Oct 23 20:50:57 2007 -0700
23:13<Tarcas>Linux 2.6.24-rc1
23:13-!-Tarcas was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:13<debnoob>he he , that happened to me once, but I learned
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23:14<debnoob>so anyone? how do I switch from gnome to KDE and then how do I make KDE my default if i prefer it
23:14<imperia>while booting i see another message for harddisk twice:
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23:14<Tarcas> Linux 2.6.24-rc1 The patch is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to how big the patch from 2.6.23 is. But it's all good.
23:15<rapid>Tarcas: Hitchiker's reference?
23:15<Tarcas>Thank you Linus. Check the .24 rc1 changelog.
23:15<Tarcas>Warning: The changelog for rc1 ALONE is 4 MB
23:15<imperia>sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 6354432 512-byte hardware sectors (3253 MB) is shown twice too
23:16<imperia>i have 1 hdd only.
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23:16<Tarcas>is it actually still mounted twice, or did it mount read-only and unmount, and then mount rw?
23:17<imperia>i would like to link you the message but its not in dmesg :(
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23:17<debnoob>I see everyones a little too busy to answer my real noob question, I'll try a few more things and come back later
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23:18<imperia>i guess there is some file where hdd settings are stored and the line for my hdd is duplicated.. but i don't know which file
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23:20<imperia>not that one. its something about LVM and something about physical hdd-s before partitions
23:20<Tarcas>Anyway, I've gotta go. Later.
23:20<imperia>c ya
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23:25<rapid>later Tarcas
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23:26<imperia>what's the profit of using framebuffer despite the logo? :)
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23:29<kcynice>how to update my debian version from stable to testing or unstable?
23:30<imperia>change your /etc/apt/sources.list file , change the stable word with testing
23:30<imperia>then do apt-get update
23:30<imperia>then apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade.. not sure which one is safer
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23:31<kcynice>because i install miro failed.
23:31<kcynice>I only want to install miro successfully
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23:31<rapid>imperia: He will have to do both
23:32<imperia>what happens when you do "apt-get install miro"?
23:32<imperia>rapid: thanks for telling me. didn't know that.. now i am using only dist-upgrade. is that correct?
23:32<rapid>imperia: Are you changing from stable to testing?
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23:32<imperia>i got testing already
23:33<rapid>imperia: That should be fine then
23:33<rapid>imperia: Usually I use both, neither one pulls in all of the packages themselves but together they do
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23:33<imperia>i will try to run aptitude upgrade now to see if dist-upgrade missed something
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23:34<imperia>what is the symbol for seperating 2 commands on same line in CLI?
23:35<Odd_Bloke>imperia: A space?
23:35<el_isma>imperia: ";"
23:35<Odd_Bloke>Ah, I see.
23:35<Odd_Bloke>Misread commands as options. ¬.¬
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23:35<The_Chad>hey guys, i installed a fresh copy of debian last night.. yet once i restarted it came up an error and it wont take me to the login scree
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23:36<The_Chad>any common reasons why it could happen?
23:36<imperia>try will telling us the error message first if any
23:37<The_Chad>i'll type it as it has occured
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23:37<The_Chad>"Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ..."
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23:38<The_Chad>"resume: libgcrypt version: 1.2.3"
23:38<imperia>Chad: careful not to paste too much lines or the bot will kick you
23:38<The_Chad>ohh ok
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23:39<The_Chad>"Resume: Could not stat the resume device file." "Please type in the file name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system"
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23:39<imperia>hi jello
23:39<el_isma>and if you press enter, what happens?
23:39<rapid>Hi jello
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23:40<jello>!greet imperia rapid
23:40<dpkg>Welcome, imperia rapid
23:40<jello>what's going on?
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23:41<imperia>nothing much. usual problems solving :)
23:41<The_Chad>"/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
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23:41<jello>seems reasonable to me...
23:42<imperia>jello The_Chad has some problem if you can help him because i am noob: "Resume: Could not stat the resume device file." "Please type in the file name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system"
23:42<The_Chad>and then there's the cmd line with (initramfs) next to it
23:42<el_isma>sorry The_Chad, I have no clue
23:42<jello>well, for resume to work, you need to pass the location of the resume file as a kernel boot arg
23:43<imperia>Chad said its new install. is that right chad?
23:43<el_isma>jello: I think it's a fresh install and he's just trying to boot
23:43<The_Chad>it actually was running
23:43<The_Chad>this has only occured once i restarted
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23:43<Live_Free>i moved my hard drive to a new computer and i am unable to boot, ALERT /dev/hda1 does not exist dropping to shell
23:43<jello>The_Chad: so is the machine actually up at the moment or are you stuck at the boot prompt?
23:44<The_Chad>well its at the screen where it loads everything
23:44<The_Chad>not really sure what its called actually
23:44<The_Chad>i'm kind of new to linux
23:44<jello>Live_Free: because the devices were probably renumbered on the new machine...
23:44<Live_Free>is it a ide driver problem?
23:44<jello>The_Chad: is anything running on the machine at the moment? what happens after you ctrl-alt-del
23:44<The_Chad>i'll just check
23:45<jello>Live_Free: not necessarily a problem, just different order perhaps
23:45<The_Chad>it restarts
23:45<jello>ok, do you get a menu to pick the kernel, etc?
23:45<The_Chad>yeah, i picked the normal mode
23:46<jello>alright, what happens after that?
23:46<The_Chad>multiple user. but i have tried both modes and they both failed
23:46<jello>how far do you get?
23:46<The_Chad>it takes me to this screen "Resume: Could not stat the resume device file." "Please type in the file name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system"
23:46<jello>just press ENTER
23:46<The_Chad>thats what i did last time
23:46<jello>and, what happened?
23:46<The_Chad>and it took me to (initramfs)
23:47<jello>what's is before that "Resume..." line?
23:47*el_isma needs something to do. Any suggestions?
23:47<jello>el_isma: write a manpage for a program that needs one...
23:48<el_isma>jello: is there a list somewhere?
23:48<The_Chad>"Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ..." "resume: libgcrypt version: 1.2.3"
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23:48<el_isma>i mean, of programs that don't have manpages
23:48<Live_Free>what do i need to enter into the shell, or what should i be googling for?
23:49<The_Chad>"Resume: Could not stat the resume device file."
23:49<jello>el_isma: run this:
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23:50<jello>The_Chad: you installed unstable or etch?
23:50<The_Chad>the current latest version
23:50<The_Chad>but i do actually have a ported version so that my ga-p35-ds3l would be supported
23:51<jello>The_Chad: did you install a custom kernel or did you use a packaged one?
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23:51<The_Chad>custom i believe
23:52<The_Chad>because the packaged one wouldn't work
23:52<jello>well, there's your problem...
23:52<The_Chad>not for my hardware
23:52<el_isma>jello: Cool, i will
23:52<jello>you probably didn't generate an initrd for your kernel
23:52<The_Chad>i downloaded 1013 iso
23:52<hmmmmmm>* Welcome to the OFTC Internet Relay Chat Network hmmmmmm
23:52<hmmmmmm>* Your host is[], running version hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.6.2
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23:53<jello>!ops hmmmmmm
23:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jello complains about: hmmmmmm
23:53<ameyer>he/she's gone anyway
23:54<jello>The_Chad: which one from that page did you use?
23:54<The_Chad>the very top one
23:54<jello>etch-custom-1013.iso ?
23:55<jello>ok, but what kernel did you boot?
23:56<The_Chad>to tell you the truth
23:56<The_Chad>i have no clue
23:56<jello>i'm not very familiar with those images...
23:56<The_Chad>is there a way to check?
23:56<jello>The_Chad: it should tell you on that boot menu
23:56<The_Chad>ohh ok
23:56<jello>or try running `uname -a`
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23:57<imperia>he is unable to login
23:58<Live_Free>did you have any other suggestions for me jello?
23:58<jello>Live_Free: lemme see
23:58<The_Chad>"Linux (none) 2.6.23-1.686 #1 SMP Fri Oct 12 14:30:49 UTC 2007 i686 unknown"
23:58<The_Chad>and yeah, i do have access to busy box
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23:58<jello>Live_Free: what disks do you have in /dev ?
23:59<jello>Live_Free: run ls -l /dev/sd* /dev/hd*
23:59<imperia>jello: can i ask you something with private message?
23:59<jello>The_Chad: ok, so you're running a kernel that should be able to see your sata drive...
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