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---Logopened Fri Jan 18 00:00:04 2008
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00:00<Nemoder>NoRC: it's not linux specific but it might help:
00:00<Nemoder>err not debian specific
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00:05<NoRC>ok nothin on that page for the saa7113h
00:06<gsimmons>NoRC: See <> ("uvcvideo").
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00:09<NoRC>ahh yeh got uvcvideo, and the ucview program works fine with the onboard webcam
00:09<NoRC>its just this external one im tryin to get going
00:09<NoRC>i really dont want to go to XP
00:09<gsimmons>Ah, right.
00:10<NoRC>the device shows up in usb when i do lsusb, Bus 005 Device 010: ID 0932:1100 Crescentec Corp.
00:11<Nemoder>might be the em28xx driver
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00:30<dserban_>Is ruby really at version 4.1? Seems a lot of packages require a version lower than 4.
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00:33<ENd>hey guys, i'm looking to install debian on my laptop here. the installer doesn't recognize my ethernet interface (nVidia nForce) automatically, and goes back to the beginning of the sequence when i select what appears to be the appropriate driver (forcedeth). Long story short, I have the linux drivers from nVidia, but that's not helpful, since the computer only has a cd drive (no floppy), and the installer won't let me eject the cd. So for the q
00:34<ENd>uestion: is something going wrong in the install (should forcedeth be working)? and if not, what is the best way to get those drivers in a place where the install can see them?
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00:43<blarson>ENd: Why don't you tell the install no network, then add the driver after the minimal install is complete?
00:44<ENd>actually that's what i did, but it couldn't seem to read the content on the cd
00:45<ENd>in /media/cdrom0, there didn't seem to be an files
00:45<ENd>i thought it would be in /dev, but it didn't seem to be
00:45<blarson>ENd: What release were you installing, and is your cdrom sata?
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00:46<ENd>i'm installing the latest release...not sure of the version #, i can check if it will help
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00:47<ENd>it appears to be an ide cdrom drive
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00:48<blarson>ENd: Etch (aka 4.0, latest update 4.0r2) has support for most systems.
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00:48<blarson>ENd: I know people had problems with sata on sarge (3.2).
00:48<ENd>that seems fair, i've never had a problem installing debian before.
00:49<ENd>i burned the cd on windows, but it reads fine there, and linux shouldn't have any problem with CDFS, so i'm a bit annoyed
00:49<blarson>There is an unofficial install with later kernel, or you could try installing lenny (testing release).
00:50<DaCapn>for SATA, I went with the unofficial install with the 2.6.21 kernel. I had no problems.
00:51<ENd>device manager tells me it's an ide device though, so i don't think it's an issue with sata
00:51<DaCapn>I'm pulling my hair out over my twinview setup... I had it working and then the power went out. I checked all of the xorg.conf files I had in /etc/X11 and none of them seem to work, I get the second monitor working fine and not the first (with teh nvidia splash spread across the two screens, just blackness on the other half). Anyone have any suggestions?
00:52<ENd>would it be possible to add the drivers to the netinst image without too much hassle (editing the image is no problem, i have the software)
00:52<Nemoder>DaCapn: did you try running the nvidia-settings tool?
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00:52<DaCapn>ENd that's what the unofficial install is
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00:53<DaCapn>Nemoder there is nothing that assists with this configuration in the nvidia-settings tool
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00:53<blarson>DaCapn: You might try xrandr
00:54<ENd>you had said before that the purpose of the unofficial install was for sata to make the cdrom work. I'm talking about making a new image with the _ethernet_ drivers
00:54<Nemoder>my nvidia-settings has an option for twin-view but it's grayed out
00:54<DaCapn>damn it, now I just rebooted by accident
00:54<blarson>ENd: It's an install with a later kernel, and later drivers to go with it.
00:54<DaCapn>that's strange, I have no such thing in nvidia-settings
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00:55<DaCapn>you just haveI guess I'll download the latest
00:55<Nemoder>yeah I'm using the latest from
00:55<Nemoder>it's under display config/ configure seperate screen
00:55<RIVE>I use nvidia-settings with a xinerama config and is working fine.
00:55<ENd>blarson: i'm not opposed to trying the later release, but i'm still mostly concerned about the ethernet driver. can i pack that into the netinst image so it can be loaded
00:55<ENd>you had said before that the purpose of the unofficial install was for sata to make the cdrom work. I'm talking about making a new image with the _ethernet_ drivers/
00:56<DaCapn>ENd what ethernet driver are you talking about?
00:57<ENd>the ethernet driver for the nVidia nForce Networking Controller
00:57<Snardman>Where can you download the Iso for the unofficial install?
00:58<ENd>also, just out of curiosoity, is there a quick explanation for why the cdrom drive reads fine during the install, but wouldn't be able to be read after?
00:59<blarson>ENd: It's for any hardware that needs later drivers.
00:59<blarson>ENd: did you mount it? It's not mounted by default.
00:59<ENd>oh really....
00:59<ENd>that explains it
01:00<ENd>need to restart to try that
01:00<DaCapn>I hate writing a list of things during lunch I need to accomplish when I get home, and then encountering a problem and wasting the eveneing fixing it
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01:04<GareauRA>New debian user having graphical glitch problem after login under x can anyone help?
01:06<Nemoder>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:10<GareauRA>the thing is I can login with no problems, i get the debian login screen after linux runs up but after i hit enter from entering a password I get a white "fuzzy" box that I cant understand anything in...
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01:13<Nemoder>you might be able to press ctrl-alt-<numpad plus key>
01:13<Nemoder>to change resolution on the fly
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01:14<GareauRA>ok i'll try that...thankyou very much
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01:23<ENd>ok, so couldn't mount the cd still (neither /dev/cda or /dev/cdrom worked), and there wasn't anything resemblid cd in /dev still anyways. however, i did mount the windows ntfs file system, and found the driver files - but couldn't compile them - there's no compiler!
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01:27<ENd>anyhow, i'm going to go ahead and try out the custom install thing
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01:33<SeveredCross>Does anyone know of any guides to making a Debian rescue CD?
01:34<SeveredCross>Basically, I'd like to make an install of a minimal system onto a CD-ROM.
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01:35<blarson>SeveredCross: The install cd has a rescue mode. Just type rescue at the first prompt.
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01:35<SeveredCross>Oh yeah!
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01:39<GareauRA>ok still nothing, got to debian login, graphics were just fine. did a test of the ctrl-alt-pluskey (keypad) and resolution adjusted, but the problem still presisted. I enter username and password hit enter and a white box comes up empty and "fuzzy" or "glitched" the background ambient image is still clear but the system seems to lock, I cannot get access to the command line either...
01:40<jm_>try to ping when that happens - are keyboard leds blinking?
01:40<jm_>ping it
01:41<GareauRA>no they are not blinking....hitting the caps lock key dosnt engage a light either
01:41<GareauRA>what do you mean ping?
01:42<blarson>GareauRA: How about control-alt-f2 ? Should give you a non-x login prompt.
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01:43<jm_>you don't know what ping command does?
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01:43<GareauRA>well I asked you didnt I? no I dont....hense the reason why i'm here
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01:44<GareauRA>i know what ping oes under a dos os environment
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01:44<GareauRA>same thinng?
01:45<jm_>it's the same thing, sends icmp echo requests to see if the other box responds
01:46<GareauRA>well as i'm new to linux I'm affraid I dont understand what your saying. My apoligies but I dont see how "pinging" is going to resolve a "graphical" issue with the gnome x-window
01:47<jm_>it won't resolve anything - I am trying to determine if your kernel dies (panics) at that point
01:47<GareauRA>ok I can understand that...and I appreciate your patients
01:48<GareauRA>but when would I ping? I have no way after I attempt to login to gain access to the command promt
01:48<jm_>you don't have another box to ping it from?
01:48<GareauRA>no...and now I see where your going with this
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01:50<kcynice>hi,i want to use apt-get install command to install some libs from"",what is the new item i should insert to sources.list?
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01:51<jm_>kcynice: those are available via regular Debian mirrors, use that instead
01:51<GareauRA>let me ask this....and again I appreciate your lending of knowledge, runnin the "dpkg-reconfigure" is this done at the root?
01:51<jm_>yes, you need to run it as root user
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01:51<GareauRA>thanks, i'll try this i very much appreciate your time
01:53<kcynice>jm_:no,i want to install libsdl and libsdl_image.but when i excuted "apt-cache search sdl" got nothing
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01:54<jm_>kcynice: then your sources.list is the problem
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01:55<kcynice>jm_:#deb etch main
01:55<kcynice>deb etch main
01:55<kcynice>deb-src etch main
01:55<kcynice># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
01:55<kcynice>deb etch/updates main contrib
01:55<kcynice># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
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01:57<kcynice>jm_:it's the whole content of my sources.list
01:57<Supaplex>kcynice: we didn't ask you to dump it here.
01:57<Supaplex>!tell kcynice -about paste
01:57<jm_>kcynice: you should not paste it here, use pastebin next time -- uncomment line and comment out line, then run apt-get update
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01:59<kcynice>I am sorry
01:59<kcynice>I will not get such fault in future
01:59<Supaplex>what's done is done. :)
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02:08<gurpreet>i am unable to send mail using mutt
02:08<gurpreet>when i send a mail mutt says "mail sent", but mail never reaches its destination
02:09<gurpreet>using exim4 mta
02:10<sep>gurpreet, is it stuck in the querue check out mailq, also read the exim logs
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02:11<gurpreet>sep, seems like, there are many messages in mailq, with state "frozen"
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02:12<sep>gurpreet, sounds like a problem with your configuration.
02:12<gurpreet>sep, exim logs says - mailing to remote daemon not supported
02:12<gurpreet>"error while reading mail with no usable sender address"
02:13<gurpreet>sep, yes, may be possible trying to use mutt first time
02:13<sep>so have you configured exim4 properly ? it's working for other clients ?
02:14<gurpreet>sep, didn't configured anything. didn't checked it for other clients. i was using gmail's web interface till now.
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02:14<sep>you could try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
02:14<sep>the default is a local only MTA for critical alerts from system to root
02:14<gurpreet>sep, ok i will try
02:14<gurpreet>sep, may be thats why its not sending mail to gmail
02:14<sep>very likely
02:15<sep>also i belive gmail require smtp auth
02:15<gurpreet>sep, may be
02:15<sep>hmm if you meant gmail as an address ignore last comment smtp auth is ofcourse only needed when you use gmail as a smarthost
02:16<gurpreet>sep, i'm new into these things, didnt got what you mean, e.g. smarthost
02:19<sep>gurpreet, often isp's dont allow you to send mail out to port25, often you dont have revers hostname for your ip address. in those cases youll have problems sending mail. then you usualy use your isp's mailserver as a outgoing relay. this is called a smarthost.
02:20<gurpreet>sep, my isp supports sending mails from 25, i can say this coz my friend is using evolution to send/receive mails
02:20<kcynice>jm_:i unrecommented the item you told me,but I remainly can't use "apt-get install libsdl"to get libsdl
02:21<gurpreet>sep, i chose "internet site; send and recieve mail directly from smtp" in exim4-config
02:21<gurpreet>now its asking me "system mail name"
02:22<gurpreet>sep, i don't know what should i enter as my system mail name
02:22<gurpreet>default is (none), is it okay?
02:22<jm_>kcynice: I said to run another command, and package is not called libsdl
02:22<sep>gurpreet, you nedd a sysetmname
02:23<sep>this system name should be a valid DNS record on the internet,
02:23<sep>the ip should point to your server.
02:23<kcynice>jm_:would you like to tell me,which command should i exculte?
02:23<jm_>and we can conclude you don't have it based on this conversation ;)
02:23<gurpreet>sep, i am afraid i don't have a dns record for my system
02:23<sep>and the ervers on that ip should point to a hostname that again points to your ip. the system name does not have to be the same, but it often is.
02:23<gurpreet>sep, using a dynamic ip
02:24<sep>gurpreet, then you need to configure a smarthost. and you are not a internet site
02:24<jm_>kcynice: please read what people tell you, it's really annoying if I have to constantly repeat myself -- run "apt-get update ; apt-cache search libsdl"
02:24<sep>gurpreet, you can fetchmail to your system from a account on a site (eg gmail) using something like fetchmail
02:24<sep>and you can send using exim+smarthost
02:25<sep>or you can just configure your mailclient to use your email providers servers. but that's is dull so :)
02:25<gurpreet>sep, exim4-config is asking me the system name in all the cases -
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02:26<sep>gurpreet, since you have to use a smarthost, you can just set the name to something you'll recognice eg your machinename
02:26<gurpreet>sep, 1. internet site mail sent and revieved directly vis smtp, 2. mail sent by smarthost recieved via SMPT or fetchmail and 3. mail sent by smarthost; no local mail
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02:26<gurpreet>sep, should i use 2nd one?
02:27<jm_>that's most typical
02:28<sep>gurpreet, 2nd would work for you if you want to have your own MTA yes
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02:28<gurpreet>sep, chose 2nd, entered my hostname as system name and used default for all other things it asked
02:30<sep>i imagined it would ask you for the smarthost username and password, didn't thnik defaults would work there, then again it's ages since i tried that configurator
02:30<gurpreet>sep, yes, defaults didnt worked, esp address mail.(none)
02:31<gurpreet>sep, configuring again
02:32<gurpreet>sep, please tell me when i will use wrong choice
02:32<gurpreet>sep, ip address to listen on for incoming stmp connetions -
02:32<gurpreet>other destinations for which mail is accepted - (none)
02:33<gurpreet>machines to relay mail for - (blank)
02:33<gurpreet>ip address or host name of the outgoing smarthost, i don't know what to fill in here
02:34*gurpreet wonders why evolution is much easier to use
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02:35<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team! How do I change the size of the partition the system is RUNNING FROM?
02:36<AndyJ_Australia>I've downloaded the appropriate debian live CD, but booting from that CD hasn't helped so far
02:37<sep>gurpreet, you have to fill in the hostname of your smarthost
02:37<AndyJ_Australia>ie. X can't start up from the CD and parted is not included
02:37<sep>gurpreet, evolution is a mailclient, exim is a mail server apples and oranges
02:37<gurpreet>sep, but evolution can also send email, without entering anything abt smarthost
02:38<gurpreet>sep, i don't know anything abt isp's smarthost
02:38<gurpreet>sep, my isp may not have one
02:39<sep>gurpreet, _every_ mailserver on evolutions is a smarthost
02:40<sep>gurpreet, it's implied that it's a smarthost on mailclients
02:40<sep>ofcourse thatone can again be a smarthost :)
02:41<gurpreet>sep, as i don't know abt smarthosts, trying option 1
02:43<gurpreet>sep, option 1 didnt worked, mail is still in mailq
02:45<gurpreet>sep, tried enough
02:45<gurpreet>sep, going to give up mutt for now
02:45<gurpreet>sep, thanks for your help
02:47<sep>you know there are howtos on this stuff on the net, you dont need to meddle around in darkness with no clue
02:48<gurpreet>sep, there is no howto for this i have checked tldp already
02:48<gurpreet>sep, there is a mutt wiki
02:48<gurpreet>sep, but the manual there is not easy too
02:49<gurpreet>sep, used blackfish's mutt tutorial till now, i can now read mails in mutt but i can't help me in this situation in sending mails
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02:49<gurpreet>it* can't
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03:19<bremner>AndyJ_Australia: did you try grml? (/msg dpkg grml)
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05:15<nonoo>good morning
05:15<antares>I am using this kernel and this OS on PC Dell SMT670 with processor Intel Corporation E7525
05:15<antares>Linux l2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 22 22:11:56 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
05:15<antares>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid
05:15<antares>When i am using the printer with the application acroread and evince , sometimes i have no response and I have this error
05:15<antares>root@lyonesse:~# cat /var/log/syslog | grep EDAC
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05:15<nonoo>i want to get xvesa support in Debian Sarge
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05:15<antares>I am using this kernel and this OS on PC Dell SMT670 with processor Intel Corporation E7525
05:15<antares>Linux l2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 22 22:11:56 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
05:15<antares>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid
05:15<antares>When i am using the printer with the application acroread and evince , sometimes i have no response and I have this error
05:15<antares>root@lyonesse:~# cat /var/log/syslog | grep EDAC
05:15<nonoo>but I don`t know, how can I get
05:15<antares>Jan 17 11:04:08 lyonesse kernel: EDAC e752x: Non-Fatal Error PCI Express B
05:15<antares>Jan 17 11:04:09 lyonesse kernel: EDAC e752x: Non-Fatal Error PCI Express B
05:15<antares>and the other one
05:15<antares>root@troie:~# cat /var/log/syslog | grep EDAC
05:15<antares>Jan 17 15:08:18 troie kernel: EDAC MC: Ver: 2.0.1 Oct 22 2007
05:15<antares>Jan 17 15:08:18 troie kernel: EDAC e752x: tolm = 40000, remapbase =
05:15<antares>ffc000, remaplimit = 0
05:16<antares>Jan 17 15:08:18 troie kernel: EDAC MC0: Giving out device to e752x_edac
05:16<antares>E7525: DEV 0000:00:00.0
05:16<jm_>nonoo: what is xvesa?
05:16<nonoo>xvesa is a xserver
05:16<bremner>!tell antares about paste
05:16<jm_>there is no such thing anymor e- there's just one server and several drivers for many years now
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05:16<nonoo>i want to use a Tseng ET4000 Chips
05:17<bremner>nonoo: xorg (in etch I guess) supports tseng
05:18<nonoo>bremner: i know, but my pc is very old
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05:18<nonoo>i want to use kernel 2.4 when it is possible
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05:19<jm_>use vesa driver - not sure if tseng is for that, it's probably only useful for tseng cards that have acceleration
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05:20<bremner>nonoo: is 2.4 lighter than 2.6, really?
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05:20<nonoo>what the diffrent which xvesa and vesa?
05:20<jm_>there's no such thing as xvesa
05:20<nonoo>bremner: 2.4 is lighter
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05:21<bremner>nonoo: you have tried?
05:21<nonoo>bremner: an supportet Ontrack Diskmanager
05:21<nonoo>bremner: yes i have
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05:21<hachi>anyone here know where in sysfs I can see the channel/frequency of a wireless adaptor?
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05:22<bremner>nonoo: what about using xserver-xorg from
05:22<nonoo>bremner: i don`t know
05:23<jm_>nonoo: sarge has vesa too
05:23<bremner>jm_: yeah, but who remembers how to configure it :-)
05:23<nonoo>what the diffrent of xvesa and vesa?
05:24<jm_>bremner: I do
05:24<hachi>vesa local bus, it's everywhere you want to be
05:24*bremner steps away from the keyboard, lets jm_ talk
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05:25<AndyJ_Australia>What are "chroot sessions" and how do I find them, and close them down?
05:26<nonoo>hachi: can i use a xserver with vesa?
05:27<bremner>!tell AndyJ_Australia about chroot
05:27<nonoo>i have install sarge
05:27<hachi>sure! it's a bit on the slow side, but it's one of the easiest x servers to set up... usually it just 'goes'
05:27<nonoo>but I don't can use startx
05:28<AndyJ_Australia>bremmer: Dude! I know what chroot is, I'm just trying to find out why I seem to have an ever-growing list of chroot sessions
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05:31<AndyJ_Australia>I can see four "sesions" in :/var/lib/schroot/session - Anyone know what is causing this???
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05:31<AndyJ_Australia><ahem> sesions/sessions
05:32<CaptainPants>o o
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05:32*bremner has to leave, but suggests grep /etc/init.d/* chroot and a little sleuthing with ps
05:32<nonoo>thank you for your help
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05:36<tmg1|chthulhu>dpkg: xmms
05:36<dpkg>rumour has it, xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it.
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05:51<AndyJ_Australia>Hah! schroot - a - i (to find them)
05:51<AndyJ_Australia>and ...
05:51<AndyJ_Australia>schroot -e --chroot name to kill them off
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05:53<devil>does anybody experience breakage with todays xserver-xorg-core in sid? some apps wont start (eclipse, azureus, vlc, amule)
05:53<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: PS... Finally found the gparted live CD and have fixed the partition problem.
05:54<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: someone suggested grml, I haven't said a thing about it ;)
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05:55<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: if it comes up again, gparted live was an effective solution
05:55<devil>i am speaking of 1.4.1~git20080105-2
05:56<tmg1|chthulhu>other than developing it ourselves(way too obvious), is there anything we can do to save xmms?
05:56<jm_>AndyJ_Australia: I'd simply try knoppix as my first choice
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05:57<AndyJ_Australia>I did. knoppix wouldn't/couldn't startX and didn't include parted as part of the distro
05:57<jm_>I thought you said debian live cd
05:57<angelillo>ubuntu forever!!!!
05:57<themill>!lart angelillo
05:57*dpkg frags angelillo with his BFG9000
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05:58<angelillo>!lart me
05:58*dpkg beats angelillo senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
05:58<AndyJ_Australia>jm_: Sorry, that was indeed Debian Live, (8 hour download off painfully slow server) - I also downloaded the knoppix iso, unfortunately it was knoppix-std! D'oh!
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05:58<angelillo>bye ;)
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06:09<padski>I have an anyone question ...
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06:10<devil>hm, no xserver-xorg breakage here or no sid users here?
06:10<padski>is anyone doing continuous automated upgrade of systems ?
06:11<themill>padski: I have a few machines running etch that use cron-apt.
06:11<bremner>devil : -2 has not hit my mirrors yet (as of midnight last night approx.)
06:12<padski>themill, cron-apt won't dist-upgrade though, right ?
06:12<devil>bremner: it has for 32 bit on at least
06:12<devil>bremner: just found, which is related
06:14<bremner>devil: any qt apps break, or is gtk centric
06:14<themill>padski: not unless you ask it to. In fact, it won't do anything other than download the update unless you ask it to.
06:14<devil>bremner: so far no qt involved, we are collecting user reports still (at #sidux)
06:15<bremner>devil: ok, now I see the new version. But I hesitate to upgrade if you say it is borked
06:15<devil>bremner: all java apps seem involved, but not only
06:15<themill>padski: On a couple of machines that I don't care much about, I have it set to automatically run aptitude upgrade as well, but on other machines, I have it just download it so I can quickly run the upgrade myself without having to wait around for the download too.
06:15<bremner>devil: no java would be a feature for me :-)
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06:15<devil>bremner: haha, here as well
06:16<hathe|_>bremner: i think its perhaps related to wxWidgets
06:16<antares> My message is on
06:18<hathe|_>bremner: as also vlc and amule are affected
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06:19<Phil>Does anyone know how to load the nvidia drivers in lenny?
06:19<Phil>My X craps because of "Failed to load module "nvidia"" (i.e. the X driver, the kernel module is built and loaded).
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06:19<bremner>devil, hathe|_: no relevant RC bugs on xserver-xorg-core yet
06:19<jm_>any other errors? is the driver there?
06:19<jack> hi bauer~~
06:20<jack>How are you bauer?
06:20<padski>themill, I'm really impressed with the security arrangements and qa on security updates for stable. like you I have systems I care about enough to want to run the updates manually. but making the distinction between 'update' and 'upgrade': you can't update forever, at some point it makes more sense to upgrade ...
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06:21<devil>bremner: yep, we will probably file one now
06:21<jack>bauer,How about the 24 hours?
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06:21<padski>themill, If I wanted to setup a debian system to run for twenty years without human intervention, I wouldn't know what to cron for the upgrades :-)
06:22<themill>padski: aptitude update will only download the package indexes. I have cron-apt set to do that and then aptitude --simulate upgrade (or something like that) and email be the results if there are packages to upgrade. On a couple of boxed, it also does the upgrade for me. I don't have it set to dist-upgrade anyway though.
06:22<bremner>devil: thanks
06:22<hathe|_>bremner: #461410
06:22<jack>Hey,we are the same people,You see jack bauer!
06:23<devil>ups, too late ;)
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06:25<bremner>devil, hathe|_: hmm, I wonder about the severity, if it really effects so many packages. Not an expert though
06:25<devil>bremner: yep, normal might not be appropriate
06:26<bremner>devil: if nothing else, it does not show up in apt-listbugs
06:26<Phil>nvidia_post_etch doesn't help, too.
06:27<jm_>Phil: any other error? is the driver file present?
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06:27<Phil>jm_: According to dpkg -L nvidia-glx it is...
06:27<jm_>Phil: use ls instead
06:28<Phil>jm_: It is.
06:28<bremner>devil, hathe|_: gotta run, good luck. maybe a more devel oriented channel can help with severity
06:28<jm_>Phil: well what else does it say?
06:28<devil>bremner: thxx & bye
06:28<Phil>LoadModule: "nvidia" -- Warning, couldn't open module nvidia, UnloadModule: "nvidia", Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
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06:29<jm_>where do you have the driver file then?
06:29<Phil>In /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
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06:29<Phil>jm_: .o, not .so
06:30<Phil>"loader failed"
06:30<Phil>So that's not a valid .so... yay
06:30<Phil>And the nvidia-glx only includes the .o
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06:30<padski>themill, some stuff may not survive an automated upgrade. I'm thinking I could use apt-listbugs as the control mechanism :-)
06:31<Phil>#420354 that is
06:31*Phil should upgrade that to serious.
06:32<themill>padski: yeah.. never used it as I stick with stable on machines that I'm using cron-apt with.
06:32<jm_>Phil: isn't that very old issue?
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06:35<padski>themill, I figure if there were ever a problem with a stable update, it would likely turn up in the BTS before I got around to running the update, so I keep it around on stable for that :-)
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06:50<padski>Is there a work-in-progress release notes for lenny somewhere ?
06:52<jm_>I tried to find it a whole ago and failed
06:52<padski>where/who would I ask about that process ?
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06:53<jm_>no idea, but it's questionable if it's worth maintainin it at this point
06:54<padski>sure, I wuoldn't be surprised if the answer were no right now, but I'm interested to learn.
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06:58<plxend>do I have to compile my own xen-enabled kernel when using xen 3.1 from backports on etch or should the supplied one work with the xen3.1 hypervisor, too? (which would mean my error lies somewhere else)
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06:59<chandu>which driver supports "HP Embedded SATA RAID Controller"
06:59<chandu>does it works with "ahci"
06:59<jm_>!TELL chandu -about which driver
06:59<padski>maybe I found it:
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07:00<chandu>I need the driver for "HP Embedded SATA RAID Controller" which comes in ML110 G4 and G5 servers
07:00<chandu>According to pci , I found "ahci" supports
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07:01<chandu>But it is not detecting the RAID1 configuration, I mean the data is getting stored only to the 1st disk
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07:01<chandu>I googled, I found adaptec driver "adpahci" works for this
07:01<jm_>you need to use dmraid for that
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07:02<chandu>dmraid ?
07:02<chandu>jm_, dmraid ?
07:02<chandu>jm_, I am not much aware of that
07:02<jm_>chandu: for sat raid yes, see the faq
07:02<jm_>for fake sata raid
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07:09<Phil>jm_: Yes.
07:10<jm_>Phil: I use the driver from unstable with Lenny
07:11<Phil>jm_: Which means that I need to pull in Xorg/unstable?
07:11<jm_>Phil: nope, I use "/msg dpkg simple sid backport"
07:11<Phil>Bah, that sucks. \-:
07:11<jm_>yeah :)
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07:11<Phil>nvidia drivers are not even present in Lenny, the package I had was a leftover from Etch.
07:12<jm_>it takes a few minutes only
07:12<jm_>indeed - that's why I use it from sid
07:12<Phil>jm_: Yeah, and an upload into our package repo and...
07:13<Phil>And I need to build it on that machine, bah.
07:14<Phil>jm_: Thanks for your help, though.
07:14<jm_>Phil: how about making a symlink - shouldn't that work?
07:15<Phil>jm_: It's an object file, not a shared object to load.
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07:15<Phil>jm_: It's the wrong file.
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07:16<jm_>Phil: hmm don't have my lenny box here to check
07:18<jm_>Phil: file says it's the same thing
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07:18<jm_>ahh no it doesn't - i'm blind
07:19<jm_>should be simple to convert it to .so - I remember there was a command to run, which failed on amd64 port
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07:22<jm_>gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.o
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07:28<Phil>jm_: Gotcha. Thanks a lot! (:
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07:36<grummund>Hi all, how can i purge a package that has already been removed?
07:37<Phil>sudo dpkg --purge packagename
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07:38<grummund>Phil: thanks.
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07:43<Phoenix_the_II>anyone succeeded upgrading KDE 3.5 to 4.0.0 in the experimental tree?
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07:44<Phoenix_the_II>so why would the debian kde team say kdebase-workspace is in the tree
07:45<molnitza>I am looking for a xorg.conf for TwinView
07:45<molnitza>for a NVIDIA Card
07:45<Phoenix_the_II>while apt-get install returns this
07:45<Phoenix_the_II>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kdebase-workspace"
07:45<Phoenix_the_II>i apt-get updates
07:45<dpalacio>did you use: -t experimental?
07:45<Phoenix_the_II>deb lenny main contrib non-free
07:45<Phoenix_the_II>deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
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07:46<Phoenix_the_II>these are my 2 sources
07:46<dpalacio>hmm, no
07:46<Phoenix_the_II>these wrong? :o
07:46<dpalacio>you don't have experimental
07:46<Phoenix_the_II>lenny = experimental?
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07:47<dpalacio>duplicate the first line, and replace lenny with experimental
07:47<dpalacio>lenny == testing
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07:47<Phoenix_the_II>lemme try now
07:48<Phoenix_the_II>kdebase-workspace: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-2) but it is not going to be installed
07:48<Phoenix_the_II>it's incomplete still
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07:48<Phoenix_the_II>on 6 packages
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07:48<dpalacio>include that package in the command line too
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07:48<dpalacio>and so, for every package it complains won't be installed
07:49<Phoenix_the_II>but are the old apps which i used in 3.5.8 still usuable in 4?
07:49<Phoenix_the_II>i also work on this PC so :)
07:50<dpalacio>well, most apps, are compatible
07:50<dpalacio>the 3.5 desktop isn't
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07:50<Phoenix_the_II>and is gdm compatible? :p
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07:50<Phoenix_the_II>or should i use kdm instead now
07:50<grummund>Hmm, anyone have an idea what's causing this error? /etc/cron.daily/apticron: RTNETLINK answers: Address family not supported by protocol Dump terminated
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07:50<dpalacio>kcontrol, part of the 3.5 desktop, is a dependency of koffice 1.6, so they're removed
07:51<dpalacio>any of them should work fine
07:51<Phoenix_the_II>ok P
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07:51<Phoenix_the_II>kdebase-workspace: Depends: klipper (>= 4:4.0.0-2) but 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 is to be installed
07:51<Phoenix_the_II>Depends: ksysguard (>= 4:4.0.0-2) but 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 is to be installed
07:51<Phoenix_the_II>Depends: kwin (>= 4:4.0.0-2) but 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 is to be installed
07:52<Phoenix_the_II>these i can't resolve though
07:52<dpalacio>include them in the apt-get install orde
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07:52<Phoenix_the_II>apt-get install kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data klipper ksysguard kwin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data libplasma1
07:52<Phoenix_the_II>i did that :P
07:52<jm_>no you didn't
07:52<dpalacio>-t experimental ?
07:53<Phoenix_the_II>now it goes
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07:53<dpalacio>by default, experimental is never installed. add that option
07:53<Phoenix_the_II>ok :P
07:53<Phoenix_the_II>didnt knew that yet
07:53<Phoenix_the_II>i usually run stable+backports
07:53<Phoenix_the_II>so :p
07:53<dpalacio>I used to do that xD
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07:53<dpalacio>But wanted to try KDE4
07:54<Phoenix_the_II>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
07:54<Phoenix_the_II>i prolly should do this in console
07:54<Phoenix_the_II>instead of in X
07:54<dpalacio>Hmm, I remember that error
07:55<Phoenix_the_II>kwrite error
07:55<Phoenix_the_II>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kwrite_4%3a4.0.0-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
07:55<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
07:55<Phoenix_the_II>trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwrite', which is also in package kate
07:55<Phoenix_the_II>Errors were encountered while processing:
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07:55<dpalacio>you have to remove the 3.5.8 conflicting package
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07:57<Phoenix_the_II>lemme nopaste it
07:58<Christmas>anybody made money with google adsense?
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07:59<dpalacio>see this?: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/autostart/ktip.desktop', which is also in package ktip
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07:59<Phoenix_the_II>apt-get remove ktip
07:59<Phoenix_the_II>i tried
07:59<dpalacio>what happened?
08:01<Clumsy_Root>how can i start X from command line using a window manager of choice, overriding gnome?
08:01<dpalacio>you might want to try: apt-get install -t experimental {Packages to install} ktip-
08:01<amphi>dpalacio: you can try dpkg's --force-overwrite option perhaps - you might want to back up the existing file first
08:02<jm_>Clumsy_Root: you can specify it in ~/.xsession to start with
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08:02<Clumsy_Root>hmm, won't that override my global settings tho'? my purpose is to use KDE as my main DE, and run a lightweight one in another session for games and such
08:03<Phoenix_the_II>apt-get install -t experimental kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data ktip-
08:03<Phoenix_the_II>same error
08:04<Clumsy_Root>well, thanks; will look into it
08:04<dpalacio>remove kdebase-workspace libplasma1 ktip
08:04<dpalacio>just dpkg -P ktip
08:04<jm_>then run startx -- foo
08:05<dpalacio>remove them with dpkg -P :)
08:05<Phoenix_the_II>Setting up kdebase-workspace-bin (4:4.0.0-2) ...
08:05<Phoenix_the_II>Setting up kdebase-workspace (4:4.0.0-2) ...
08:05<jm_>or was the client before --? I forgot
08:05<Phoenix_the_II>brb, restarting X
08:05<dpalacio>you sure?
08:05<Phoenix_the_II>should work now eh? :p
08:05<Phoenix_the_II>no errors anymore
08:06<jm_>yeah looks like just "startx foo"
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08:07<Phoenix_the_II>it's working
08:07<Phoenix_the_II>now i got 2 taskbars
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08:14<pieisgood>can I ask for help here or is that strictly off limits?
08:14<jm_>pieisgood: you have our permission
08:14<pieisgood>I am having trouble with installing applications, each time I try to sudo apt-get install
08:14<pieisgood>or any other install
08:15<pieisgood>some programs work
08:15<pieisgood>others report error 1 with atokx
08:15<jm_>please type longer lines
08:15<jm_>paste the output on some pastebin site
08:15<pieisgood>uh.. alright
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08:17<pieisgood>well, put it this way, when I try to start azureus I click on the program icon under applications and nothing happens
08:17<jm_>that's something different, decide which problem you want to solve first
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08:18<pieisgood>that would be the problem I want solved now
08:18<jm_>open a terminal and start it from there
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08:18<jm_>what do you mean "by"?
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08:19<pieisgood>by typing what into the terminal, This is my first ever install of the LINAX and it's my 3rd day of use so I haven't had time to go over bash
08:19<jm_>type azureus
08:20<pieisgood>Looking for and picking a preferred Java runtime
08:20<pieisgood>Use environment AZUREUS_JAVA to override
08:20<pieisgood>Using Java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
08:20<pieisgood>changeLocale: *Default Language* != English (United States). Searching without country..
08:20<pieisgood>changeLocale: Searching for language English in *any* country..
08:20<pieisgood>changeLocale: no message properties for Locale 'English (United States)' (en_US), using 'English (default)'
08:20<pieisgood>The program 'SWT' received an X Window System error.
08:20<pieisgood>This probably reflects a bug in the program.
08:20<pieisgood>The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
08:20<pieisgood> (Details: serial 341 error_code 11 request_code 148 minor_code 5)
08:20<pieisgood> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
08:20<pieisgood> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
08:20<pieisgood> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
08:20<pieisgood> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
08:20<pieisgood> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
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08:20<jm_>please use pastebin sites for pasting
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08:21<devil>hm, thats the xserver-xorg bug:
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08:21<pieisgood>got the boot for flood
08:21<jm_>pieisgood: don't paste here, read the topic, and check
08:21<devil>pieisgood: its a bug: hm, thats the xserver-xorg bug:
08:21<azeem>pieisgood: yeah, but you're were a pretty skilled flooder
08:22<pieisgood>if by skill you mean copy paste.. then yes
08:22<azeem>pieisgood: skilled as in, managed to not get kicked for much longer than usually :P
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08:24<pieisgood>ok, so it's a bug....
08:24<pieisgood>has anyone else had this problem?
08:24<devil>pieisgood: sure
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08:25<pieisgood>I mean.... In here and would they be willing to tell me how they fixed it
08:25<devil>pieisgood: some other apps are affected as well
08:25<devil>pieisgood: its a bug, just a few hours old
08:26<pieisgood>no possibilty of rolling it back though eh?
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08:28<devil>pieisgood: well, xserver-xorg-core 1.4.1~git20080105-1 is not affected, but this is sid here, not etch
08:28<pieisgood>sid not etch?
08:29<devil>pieisgood: a possible fix is: , but thats for more advanced users i guess
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08:29<devil>pieisgood: debian unstable, not stable
08:29<bremner>pieisgood: if you can wait a day, that might be best
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08:30<devil>pieisgood: also here:
08:30<pieisgood>hmmmm looks like piratebay will have to wait another day
08:30<devil>pieisgood: yes, i agree with bremner, should be fixed fast
08:30<jm_>or you could use some other torrent client
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08:31<devil>pieisgood: azureus is a rammonster anyways, look at ktorrent
08:31<pieisgood>I wanted to use azureus or Bittyrant
08:31<fatal>transmission is my suggestion.
08:31<devil>up to you
08:31<pieisgood>i'd run uTorrent but it seems the RIAA snatched that up :(
08:33<pieisgood>repositories here I come
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08:35<amphi>pieisgood: rtorrent is pleasant enough, and you can leave it out of the way in a detached screen session
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08:36<pieisgood>are there any good terminal torrent apps?
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08:36<Clumsy_Root>what? RIAA got utorrent?
08:37<pieisgood>That's the word on /g/
08:37<jm_>rtorrent is good
08:37<amphi>pieisgood: rtorrent
08:37<Clumsy_Root>i'd take what /g/ says with a grain of salt, actually
08:37<pieisgood>lol my bad
08:38<pieisgood>yeah, i'm not exactly out buying koss porta pros and running foobar2000
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08:39<Clumsy_Root>foobar is for hippies :P
08:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 337] by debhelper
08:39<pieisgood>or people hate themselves
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08:39<pieisgood>or people WHO hate themselves
08:40<Clumsy_Root>well, hate themselves
08:40<Clumsy_Root>try running amarok with a 13k elements library, even with postgresql it's like the media player version of cutting yourself.
08:41<pieisgood>damn, I think the one thing that got me really liking debian is repositories and sudo apt-get install... so awesome
08:41<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i agree there
08:41<amphi>pieisgood: now discover aptitude ;)
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08:41*Clumsy_Root is a synaptic zealot
08:41<pieisgood>yeah, right now I am running amarok for lack of knowledge... I was suggested to run audacious but got sidetracked and never installed it
08:42<Staz>pieisgood : mpd!
08:42<amphi>pieisgood: I find quodlibet pleasant, as a GUI music player
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08:42<Clumsy_Root>i'm still wondering what they were thinking when they started coding an audio player with a full-fledged SQL backend, it's overkill
08:43<Clumsy_Root>not that i don't appreciate their work, i use it from time to time.
08:43<pieisgood>you mean amarok?
08:43*bremner finds amarok useful in feeding his ipod
08:44<Clumsy_Root>well, it does have a fair deal of features
08:44<Clumsy_Root>but the database system is too cumbersome, even with a sleeker backend like postgresql
08:45<Clumsy_Root>otherwise it's a well polished player
08:45<pieisgood>Staz, you mean Mplayer or something completely different?
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08:45<Staz>Music Player Daemon
08:45<pieisgood>I see
08:45<bremner>pieisgood: apt-cache show mpd
08:46<pieisgood>One thing I don't understand is, I installed ubuntu which claims to be HUMAN but doesn't come with the ability to play mp3's without mpg123 321
08:46<bremner>!tell pieisgood about mp3
08:47<Clumsy_Root>patents, dude
08:47<amphi>pieisgood: pheer the frauenhofer institute
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08:48<Clumsy_Root>if you want out of the box support for proprietary media formats, you should be looking at nonfree distros... and those usually tread a fine line between legality and patent infringement :D
08:48<pieisgood>weird, maybe I live in a delusional world where real player never existed and mp3 was a widely used open format
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08:49<Clumsy_Root>actually, it's fairly close to that
08:49<bremner>widely used != open
08:49<crazyb0y>why bitchx (irc client) is not included in the packages in lenny/sid testing?
08:49<weasel>crazyb0y: because it's broken and unmaintained.
08:49<weasel>use irssi.
08:49<amphi>pieisgood: ogg vorbis FTW
08:50<crazyb0y>weasel: yes but my users want bitchx, and now i have to compile it =(
08:50<weasel>crazyb0y: tell them to use irssi.
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08:50<weasel>crazyb0y: and please fix your bitchx to not send bold colons.
08:50<Clumsy_Root>yeah, users have strange ideas.
08:50<pieisgood>I like ogg for sure but finding a good ogg vorbis internet radio stream is hard
08:50<crazyb0y>weasel: i tried, but they want it
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08:50<bremner>tell them irssi is the new version of bitchx
08:50<jeremiah>irssi rocks
08:50<crazyb0y>weasel: oh sorry i think that was ready
08:52<crazyb0y>ok i'll use irssi instead of bitchx
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08:52<pieisgood>amphi : this is a clean install of ubuntu and I have nothing on it except for my slowly growing array of open source apps, and since I have no music on it (yet) internet radio is all I have lol
08:52<Staz>DEB~crazyb0y : a brilliant idea
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08:53<Florian>first time on irssi
08:53<crazyb0y>Staz: i don't matter what i use for irciing, but my users wants bitchx, and maybe it'll be a problem for me =(
08:53<amphi>pieisgood: ubuntu? this is #debian ;)
08:53<Florian>and first time on screen
08:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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08:54<Florian>nice combo screen+irssi
08:54<pieisgood>dpkg: what's the big deal?
08:54<azeem>pieisgood: dpkg is a bot
08:54<crazyb0y>maybe they don't like the interface of irssi, dunno
08:55<azeem>the deal is that #debian does not support Ubuntu, deal
08:55<themill>pieisgood: ubuntu is not supported in #debian. Please ask in #ubuntu on
08:55<Phoenix_the_II>what a basic goodload of crap KDE4 at the moment is...
08:55<Phoenix_the_II>and lmao
08:55<pieisgood>sorry, I didn't know uttering the word ubuntu would instigate a rape coaster
08:55<Phoenix_the_II>now i got the oxygen desktop + effect @ kde 3.5.8
08:55<noflash>pieisgood, it's in the topic ;)
08:56<azeem>pieisgood: it doesn't you just get notified that it's not supported here
08:57<pieisgood>lol k
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08:58<Clumsy_Root>hm, what about sidux?
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08:58<Clumsy_Root>it's based on the sid repo tho'
08:58<azeem>well, sid isn't supported here either
08:58<Clumsy_Root>(pure debian user here, mind you)
08:59<Clumsy_Root>yeah, but if someone wanted he could technically still ask for help with it and nobody would notice a thing, right?
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08:59<Clumsy_Root>same exact repo as debian unstable
08:59<jm_>well we didn't notice it with pieisgood
09:00<Clumsy_Root>true, true
09:00<pieisgood>and you guys did help
09:00<pieisgood>thank you
09:01<Clumsy_Root>yeah, truth be told i don't even see much of a barrier between ubuntu and debian
09:01<Clumsy_Root>but i can understand why it could get confusing, some package names differ
09:01<crazyb0y>yeah and the devel is the same =P hehe
09:01<amphi>!ubuntusmite Clumsy_Root
09:01*dpkg takes away all the CO2 in the air around Clumsy_Root and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
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09:01<Clumsy_Root>O_o *koff*
09:01<pieisgood>lol wut
09:02<Clumsy_Root>nice example tho' :D
09:02<pieisgood>so what does debian look like?
09:03<pieisgood>wait... stupid question
09:03<amphi>replacing O2 with O3 might be a bit too harsh ;)
09:03<pieisgood>KDE, GNOME blah blah blah
09:03<Clumsy_Root>yeah. you can see that with any of the other themes in ubuntu
09:03<amphi>pieisgood: it doesn't have a default gui at all
09:03<azeem>pieisgood: it uses the moreblue theme if you ask that
09:04<Clumsy_Root>amphi: thanks for being oh so merciful :P
09:04<Florian>pieisgood: it's not a question of what it looks like but what it is
09:04<pieisgood>I like using BlackBox so I don't really care about either
09:04<Clumsy_Root>i'll stir up some stink here
09:04<bremner>pieisgood: the hardcore answer is
09:04<Clumsy_Root>but gnome debian looks awful.
09:05<azeem>Clumsy_Root: why?
09:05<pieisgood>so debian looks like tl;dr
09:05<Clumsy_Root>gnome is certainly a much more solid DE than KDE, no doubt
09:05<padski>gnome looks awfull
09:06<Florian>Clumsy_Root: can you argue ?
09:06<pieisgood>signed Gnome is ugly
09:06<Clumsy_Root>but out of the box, the default theme is really plain, and even the other ones will still make me miss a more "flashy" DE
09:06<amphi>Clumsy_Root: that isn't fixable just by switching gtk2 theme?
09:06*bremner hopes we move on to vi versus emacs soon
09:06<padski>signed GNOME ?
09:06<kneet>bremner: got your asbestos gloves ready?
09:06<Clumsy_Root>amphi: yeah, but to me it feels like they still remain too plain to be pleasant
09:06<Clumsy_Root>QT themes have much more customizability :)
09:06<pieisgood>padski: I should have wrote "signed, Gnome is ugly"
09:07<padski>pieisgood, ah!
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09:07<Florian>Clumsy_Root: why do you say it's "more solid" ?
09:07<azeem>Clumsy_Root: so what you're saying is you don't like the default Gnome theme
09:07<Clumsy_Root>although, the wasp theme looks kinda nice.
09:07<sooperku1>haha, I remember the good old days of Motif ... now that was ugly ; )
09:07<Clumsy_Root>azeem, nope: only that gnome themes don't satisfy me
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09:07<amphi>Clumsy_Root: I don't use gnome, but gtk can look pretty much however you like
09:08<Clumsy_Root>Florian: meaning it's less prone to crashes and slipups, whereas KDE tends to be a little iffy
09:08<Florian>can you argue ?
09:08<Clumsy_Root>amphi: yeah, but the widgets will always remain more or less the same
09:08<Florian>why should kde crash more often than gnome ?
09:08<Clumsy_Root>Florian: personal experience, i've noticed it's less stable
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09:08<Clumsy_Root>and i use both on a regular basis
09:08<Florian>I'll see that
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09:09<Florian>I just switched back from ubuntu to debian
09:09<Florian>and install kde
09:09<themill>Clumsy_Root: I'll bite.... definitely not my experience. KDE >> gnome for both usability and stability. But as you said, it's a personal preference.
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09:10<Clumsy_Root>themill: i agree on the last thing you said, but to me both DEs come with a catch -- either stability, or pleasant looks.
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09:10<Clumsy_Root>maybe i've just had lousy luck, dunno
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09:10<Florian>personnal preference... that's it. And you know what is good ? You can choose the one you like
09:10<amphi>Clumsy_Root: best to eschew DEs altogether ;)
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09:11<Clumsy_Root>amphi: i agree, they're always grounds for feuds :D
09:11<padski>point and click is good for certain tasks
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09:11<pieisgood>what's the best IDE/compiler for c/c++ for debian? I've taken to running Notepad++ under wine, but I know there is something better
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09:11<Florian>pieisgood: vi/emacs + gcc
09:11<amphi>Clumsy_Root: I've never used one - I don't see the point, really
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09:11<Clumsy_Root>you don't? are you working with command line?
09:11<themill>pieisgood: I use kdevelop
09:12<amphi>Clumsy_Root: standalone wm's seem to do the job
09:12<pieisgood>Florian: DAMN! I totaly forgot about GCC
09:12<Florian>gcc is definitely the best compiler
09:12<Clumsy_Root>i see, i see
09:12<themill>Florian: no, but it is free...
09:13<pieisgood>themill: what makes Kdevelop better?
09:13<Florian>kdevelop is just a frontend
09:13<Florian>but it calls gcc
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09:13<Clumsy_Root>does it use qtmake?
09:13<Clumsy_Root>or regular make?
09:13<pieisgood>ah... still trying to wrap my mind around this...
09:13<Florian>i don't now... i never used it
09:13<themill>pieisgood: it has nice integration with make, autotools, gcc/g++ errors and warnings.
09:13<themill>Clumsy_Root: either
09:14<Clumsy_Root>that's nice
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09:15<themill>it certainly beats stepping through code with just the cli gdb...
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09:15<pieisgood>I am seriously in love with apt-get install....
09:15<pieisgood>"sudo apt-get install kdevelop" holy shit it's installing
09:16<amphi>!tell pieisgood about why aptitude
09:16<Clumsy_Root>synaptic FTW!
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09:16<pieisgood>how'd do I go about using synaptic or aptitude?
09:17<Florian>!why aptitude
09:17<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
09:17<themill>pieisgood: just substitute aptitude for apt-get in any apt-get install etc
09:17<pieisgood>ah, alright
09:17<jm_>except for apt-get source for example
09:17<themill>Clumsy_Root: only if you're running lenny... synaptic in etch can't do auto dependency removal
09:17<jm_>(although I think it supports that now in sid?)
09:17<themill>jm_: yeah. that one's a pain.
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09:18<Clumsy_Root>themill: speaking of which, why is my auto-dep removal suggesting to remobe bug-buddy, and gnome-core along with it?
09:18<themill>Clumsy_Root: have you just switched from apt-get to aptitude?
09:19<Clumsy_Root>themill: nope, always used synaptic
09:19<themill>Clumsy_Root: well, that has the same problem as changing from apt-get to aptitude if you are running etch -- it doesn't understand some of the dependencies you have so wants to remove some of them.
09:20<dpkg>To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true
09:20<pieisgood>what are dependencies? Libraries and headers and such that are required to install a program? or something different
09:21<dpkg>dependencies is probably one of the killer benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) automatically determine these dependencies and select additional packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time
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09:21<Clumsy_Root>themill: point is, this wasn't happening until i reinstalled the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage
09:21<Clumsy_Root>i think it actually sent something out of whack
09:21<themill>Clumsy_Root: if you "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" that should solve it.
09:22<Clumsy_Root>alright, guess i'll try
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09:23<pieisgood>anyone here program in Lisp/scheme?
09:24<padski>I one did a few line in autolisp :-)
09:26<Clumsy_Root>themill: fix'd, thanks
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09:28<themill>Clumsy_Root: :)
09:28<Clumsy_Root>although, now i have a full gnome that i'm not exactly enthusiast about... i hope that trimming it down won't introduce any more problems.
09:28<pieisgood>hmmm... what's a good way to really understand how to program? I aced my c/c++ class but nothing really clung to me... how'd you all learn?
09:28<themill>Clumsy_Root: you can do that easily enough. Actually, you could have /msg dpkg install gnome
09:28<amphi>pieisgood: the wizard book is online
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09:29<Clumsy_Root>themill: i know, but if i start removing core parts of the gnome system that i don't really need, since i only use it for a few specific tasks, it's meant to complain again about something ^^'
09:29<pieisgood>yeah, SICP
09:29<devil>anybody else here affected by ?
09:29<devil>just got mail with possible fix, needs confirmation
09:30<pieisgood>amphi: I had heard that SICP was the best way to understand. I guess it's true. Thanks
09:30<Clumsy_Root>*snrk* i knew it
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09:30<Clumsy_Root>i removed gnome-games, which asked to remove gnome-desktop-environment
09:30<SpeedyG>hey, i've got this composite stuff enabled now, but it seems like it's only using CPU to draw and not my gfx-card, isnt the gx-card supposed to handle that ?
09:31<Clumsy_Root>and now half of my gnome is listed as auto-removable XD
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09:32<themill>Clumsy_Root: gnome-desktop-environmenet is a metapackage so that's fine. But if you mark one of the smaller parts of gnome as installed that will be fine.
09:34<Clumsy_Root>themill: yeah, currently auto-removing them all; will just install gnome-core when it's done, see where that gets me
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09:36<pieisgood>something interesting, I am confused because I am able to run both KDE and Gnome programs... am I missing something or are both just gui's that don't really have anything to do with the programs I run
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09:37<Clumsy_Root>pieisgood: they're not "gnome" or "kde" programs, they're GTK and QT programs. they're just backends used to draw the windows, and that's why they look differently, but the code is pretty much DE-independent as long as the required drawing libraries are installed
09:38<amphi>pieisgood: it depends - some programs will depend on much of the DE infrastructure, others just on gtk/qt
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09:39<pieisgood>ah ok.. i'm worried for nothing
09:39<Clumsy_Root>yeah, but since support libraries for both can pleasantly run at the same time there usually are no big problems in that regard
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09:44<pieisgood>oh wow... bummer VLC is broken because of that bug as well
09:46<devil>pieisgood: yes, would you like to try a possible fix?
09:46<pieisgood>sure sure
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09:47<bremner>achtung kids, pieisgood is on ubuntu, damage may result.
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09:47*Clumsy_Root waits for hilarity
09:47<bremner>but heh, go ahead if you want to
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09:48<pieisgood>achtung kids?
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09:49<bremner>pieisgood: translation: "Respected colleagues, I beg to bring to your attention something which seems important"
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09:50<gremlin>okie dokies
09:50<gremlin>need some help
09:50<devil>bremner: btw: 64 bit just got the upgrade but is not affected
09:50<gremlin>whats the cache folder name meant to be for apache
09:51<gremlin>in /var/cache
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09:51<bremner>devil: if it is a matter of installing a single deb, I can test on sid
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09:52<devil>bremner: its a addition to xorg.conf
09:52<bremner>devil: plus the upgrade to -2
09:52<devil>bremner: yes, of course
09:52<devil>bremner: it fixes the issue, but leaves kaffeine without a picture
09:53<bremner>devil: ok, I live in QT world, so the bug won't kill me.
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09:53<devil>bremner: because kaffeine needs MIT-shm
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09:53*bremner goes to install broken xserver
09:54<devil>bremner: well, you would need vlc or amule or azu installed to confirm itz works
09:54<bremner>devil: got vlc
09:54<devil>bremner: good 'nough
09:54<bremner>devil: don't use kaffeine
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10:00<bremner>devil: do I need to play something with vlc or just start it?
10:01<devil>bremner: it should not start at all
10:01<bremner>starts for me
10:01<devil>hm, thats weird
10:02<bremner>versions ^^
10:02<devil>i got VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus
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10:04<bremner>devil: me too. see first pastebin
10:04<devil>bremner: Installed: 0.8.6.c-5 ?
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10:05<bremner>yeah, thats what the *** means in the output from apt-cache
10:06<devil>bremner: you dont even have my version as candidate
10:06<devil>or maybe im a bit blind ;)
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10:06<GottesDiener>hi, how can I under Gnome resize window with Alt + right-Mouse-click + move like kde? anybody have an idea?
10:07<bremner>devil: howabout you run apt-cache policy vlc |
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10:07<jdy>hi everyone
10:08<bremner>devil: then maybe I will understand you :-)
10:08<jack>hi jdy
10:08<devil>bremner: dont run here, i'll paste manualy
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10:08*bremner is sad for devil without nify pastbin script
10:09<devil>bremner: we have one of our own, calles sidux-paste ;)
10:09<devil>bremner: this is strange, same output as yours
10:09<bremner>devil: wx libraries?
10:10<devil>bremner: i didnt install them, this is fresh install, 2 days old
10:10<jdy>I've a problem with my debian stable since this morning. I've updated the system, there was three packages updatable: libxfont1, xnset, xserver-xorg-core. Since then, Eclipse don't run anymore. Someone else has the same problem?
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10:10<bremner>jdy: hi we just talking about it I think. There is a known bug, and we wonder how to fix it.
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10:11<bremner>jdy: so your not losing your mind, anyway :-)
10:11<devil>jdy: want to try a possible fix (can be reverted if no workee)?
10:11<jdy>yes, i can try a fix
10:12<jdy>i've done a fresh isntall and it is the same problem so I'm motivated
10:12<pieisgood>ok, thank you all for the help..... good night
10:12*bremner steps out for a bit
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10:12<gremlin>Whereabouts is the SSH log stored?
10:13<themill> /var/log/auth.log has connection attempts
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10:15<jdy>ok, I restart X and I tell you if it works
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10:17<DaCapn>so... I was working on my xorg.conf last night. I was never able to get my left (primary) monitor to work with twinview. When I went to bed it didn't work. I woke up, turned on the monitors and was greeted with the graphical login across both screens. I hit ctrl+alt+f1 to go back to my CLI, then without doing anything I didn't ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to the graphical and now it's not working again
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10:18<jdy>I can start Eclipse again
10:18<jdy>the fix worked
10:18<devil>jdy: fine, thxx for confirming
10:19<devil>jdy: do you have kaffeine install by any chance?
10:19<jdy>but I have acces to some dialog like the one to switch perspectiv
10:19<jdy>no kaffeine installed
10:19<devil>jdy: didnt think so ;)
10:19<devil>fix seems to break that
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10:20<jdy>I've forgoten a word : I DON'T have acces to some dialog like the one to switch perspectiv
10:20<devil>jdy: i dont use eclipse, so cant say anything there
10:20<GottesDiener>is there any way to get konsole working fine under gnome?
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10:23<DaCapn>GottesDiener I didn't have to do anything but install it, I presume it also requires the kde base system
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10:24<GottesDiener>i dont wanna install kde, but konsole is already installed, just dont works fine
10:24<GottesDiener>doesnt work fine :D
10:24<DaCapn>what if there are prerequisites in the kde base system?
10:24<GottesDiener>sorry my bad english!
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10:25<devil>no gnome here, sry
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10:25<themill>!doesn't work
10:25<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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10:26<GottesDiener>what's wrong with gnome devil?
10:27<devil>GottesDiener: nothing, i just dont like it
10:27<GottesDiener>so what!
10:27<DaCapn>I guess we could ask you what's wrong with gterm?
10:27<devil>GottesDiener: nothing, i just cant talk about stuff i dont know
10:27<GottesDiener>gterm, hmm never used
10:28<DaCapn>you picked a KDE app that you "must" have that is probably the most UN-unique
10:28<GottesDiener>devil, so do not!
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10:28<devil>GottesDiener: i was just being friendly and giving you affirmation that someone reads what you say ;)
10:29<GottesDiener>I use gnome-terminal and I'm not satisfied with it!
10:29<DaCapn>I can't tell whether you're a tempermental prick, or just a strange person
10:29<GottesDiener>devil, every stranger is a strange person, is it?
10:30<DaCapn>GottesDiener what does konsole do differently?
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10:33<themill>GottesDiener: "aptitude install konsole" should do everything you need and it should work. if it doesn't it's a bug in the packaging and you should report it.
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10:35<themill>DaCapn: does gnome-terminal support coloured tabs? changing the tab name and window title using escape sequences and shell bookmarks?
10:37<DaCapn>the question is, is that why he finds it unsatisfactory?
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10:37<themill>Don't know, but that's what I find unsatisfactory... but I'm a kde person anyway... :)
10:38<DaCapn>personally, I just open it and type commands. The only thing I've ever done is change the window/tab title.
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10:53<jdy>any news about the SWT bug ? #461410
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10:55<Pete_B>I'm learning how to copy a partition over a network to an image file. Some guides recommend 'dd if=/dev/sda1 | bzip 2 | nc', others recommend 'bzip2 -c /dev/sda1 | nc'. Is bzip2 as good at reading the partition as dd and so really no need to involve dd?
10:56<devil>jdy: a fixed package should be in tomorrow
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10:57<jdy>devil: okie, thanks a lot
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11:07<Pete_B>anyone, please, dd versus bzip2?
11:07<berto>bzip2 is a compressor
11:07<berto>like gzip
11:07<berto>Pete_B: if you want to copy a partition and you're not very experienced you can try with partimage
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11:11<Pete_B>berto: thanks but I was after an answer to my particular question rather than an alternative approach
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11:11<berto>I guess that you could use either approach
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11:12<berto>I have never used "bzip2 -c /dev/..." but I guess that it should work
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11:12<Pete_B>berto: great, thankyou
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11:12<berto>also, bzip2 can be very slow
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11:12<berto>gzip is faster
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11:13<Pete_B>I'll use gzip
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11:14<Donno>how do i list and change what is run at a specifik run level?
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11:15<bremner>Donno: ksysv is a gui
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11:17<Donno>bremner: isnt there a cmd line app for it?
11:17<bremner>Donno: ls /etc/rc3.d ?
11:18<bremner>Donno: or something in between?
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11:18<Donno>bremner: and just make it non-exec.?
11:19<bremner>apt-cache mentions sysv-rc-conf
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11:19<bremner>Donno: Can you be more precise, what do you want to do, stop something from running?
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11:20<Donno>bremner: the thing is that ive apt-get installed the boinc client (seti@home) and dont want it to run each time at startup
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11:21<bremner>Donno: check if there is settings in /etc/default
11:21<Donno>bremner: got a S20boinc-client in /etc/rc3.d
11:21<Donno>bremner: cant i just make it chmod -x ?
11:21<bremner>Donno: otherwise just remove that symlink
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11:22<Donno>bremner: okay ill try that. Cant hardly break anything ^^
11:22<bremner>Donno: sorry, should be rc2.d
11:22<Donno>bremner: thanks
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11:26<Donno>bremner: got another quick question... Do you know how i can get colours in the terminal as root?
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11:26<themill>Donno: what do you want coloured?
11:27<Donno>bremner: the files to easier distinguish filetypes
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11:28<themill>Donno: I have this in my /root/.bash_profile: alias ls='ls -FC --color=tty'
11:28<bremner>Donno: BTW, sysv-rc-conf looks easy and works in a terminal
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11:29<themill>Donno: you can also do the same thing with an env variable
11:29<Donno>bremner: okay, thanks alot ^^
11:29<Donno>themill: where and how do i change env variables?
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11:30<themill>Donno: also in your /root/.bash_profile or .bashrc or even in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc.
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11:30<dpkg>somebody said dotfiles was
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11:31<gremlin>Whereabouts is the php log?
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11:31<themill>gremlin: it's in the apache error log.
11:31<themill>gremlin: so that depends on your apache config, but /var/log/apache2/error.log is the default.
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11:33<themill>gremlin: php scripts are able to turn off error messaging though and many do so they look "nicer". see
11:34<gremlin>its phpmyadmin
11:34<gremlin>it wont work anymore
11:34<themill>ugh... phpmyadmin: wonderful when it works, pita when it doesn't.
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11:35<themill>gremlin: any recent changes? upgraded phpmyadmin or similar?
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11:37<zeb>I have the strangest circular apt dependency problem
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11:37<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use or #flood to provide us with this information.
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11:44<zeb>... um, this is stupid, but I don't know how to copy-paste from the terminal ...
11:44<nitalaut>hello everyone)
11:45<Maulkin>zeb: an X terminal?
11:46<nitalaut>Does anyone know how to route outgoing http connection to another(not default) route ? [ip rule seems to not work]
11:46<Maulkin>zeb: highlight = copy, middle click = paste
11:48<zeb>that works in the terminal, but what if I want to paste into something else?
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11:51<Donno>Maulkin: how can you avoid the paste to be executed?
11:51<Donno>Maulkin: when pasting into the console
11:51<Maulkin>Donno: Paste into a file?
11:52<Maulkin>Don't paste into a console?
11:52<Maulkin>type : cat > /dev/null
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11:52<Maulkin>I dunno.
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11:53<Donno>Maulkin: ment terminal... ie if i copy something into the gnome terminal and want to edit it before it is executed?
11:53<zeb>paste only works once?
11:53<Maulkin>zeb: paste works lots of times
11:53<Maulkin>[#debian] zeb: paste works lots of times
11:53<Maulkin>[#debian] zeb: paste works lots of times
11:54<nabber>Donno: if you copy the newline, the command will get executed when pasted into a console
11:54<Maulkin>Donno: run an editor first then
11:54<mpkidd>if you want to edit it don't hit enter
11:54<Donno>ok, thanks both
11:54<mpkidd>np np
11:54<Donno>mpkidd: cant do that
11:54<mpkidd>can't do what??
11:55<Donno>mpkidd: if i paste anything into a terminal its like it has a \r at the end ^^
11:55<zeb>ok, so I'm supposed to copy and paste my apt run into #flood? (I've forgotten already)
11:56<themill>gremlin: /msg bots not people. Please stay in the channel.
11:57<mpkidd>well i just tried it right now
11:57<mpkidd>i copied a small part of thisconverstation and opened gnome-terminal click edit and then paste??
11:57<mpkidd>no issues about a carriage return
11:57<mpkidd>stupid suggestion but did you try resizing the terminal??
11:58<Donno>mpkidd: hmm... not that i know
11:58<mpkidd>what i mean is if there terminal is large enough it should have trouble wrapping around
11:58<Donno>mpkidd: stupid me... the middle mouse-click add a \r
11:58<mpkidd>what text are you copying and pasting
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11:58<mpkidd>lol hehehe
11:59<Donno>mpkidd: yeah lol ^^
11:59<mpkidd>np np
11:59<mpkidd>glad it got solved
11:59<Donno>mpkidd: hehe yeah me too. thanks ^^
11:59<mpkidd>thats what we are here for to help eachother out
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12:00<mpkidd>any other problem Donno??
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12:01<Donno>mpkidd: not that i know but thanks for asking ^^... so true
12:02<mpkidd>like i said anytime.
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12:02<mpkidd>well maybe ill c you around Donna talk to you later
12:03<zeb>nobody cares about my aptitude problems...
12:03<mpkidd>what are your aptitude problems??
12:03<zeb>it is telling me I have unmet dependencies
12:03<Donno>yeah, c you around mpkidd
12:03<zeb>and it won't let me fix them
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12:04<mpkidd>well maybe an apt-get -f install or using synaptic might surfice aptitude is just another tool if one doesnt' work try another thats why there are soo many in linux
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12:04<zeb>and it all has something to do with libpth2 and libpth20
12:05<mpkidd>are you ruining etch or lenny??
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12:05<zeb>I'm not ruining anything!!!
12:05<zeb>(at least, not on purpose)
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12:05<mpkidd>sorry typo running
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12:05<axxum>hello all
12:06<mpkidd>what program are you trying to install using aptitude
12:06<mpkidd>hello axxum!!
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12:06<zeb>apt isn't working at all for anything
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12:06<mpkidd>what happens when you run an apt-get update?
12:06<zeb>it updates
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12:07<mpkidd>are you using etch or lenny?
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12:07<mpkidd>welcome back axxum
12:07<leleobhz>what i need install after the debootstrap to have a basic system?
12:07<zeb>but when I try to install or remove something, it gives me a cryptic "unmet dependencies: libth20 isn't and never will be installed" error
12:07<leleobhz>(w/ all gnu tools, like less)
12:08<zeb>btw, what are etch and lenny???
12:08<mpkidd>leleobhz why are you tyring to install so low why not just do a netinstall
12:08<mpkidd>etch and lenny are the name of the debian distros like different branches
12:08<mpkidd>etch is also 4.0 or what is stable
12:08<leleobhz>mpkidd: because im installing a xen domU machine
12:08<mpkidd>lenny is the testing branch
12:09<mpkidd>understood leleobhz
12:09<zeb>oh, I'm running uh uh... knoppix?
12:09<zeb>hd install
12:09<mpkidd>uhhh ok
12:09<mpkidd>what version of knoppix??
12:09<Nemoder>perhaps you should seek help in a knoppix irc channel?
12:09<mpkidd>3.0 something 4.0 something 5.0 something
12:10<mpkidd>well knoppix is a debian dirvirative
12:10<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:10<leleobhz>mpkidd: i want all packages as i install using only debian basic option on d-i
12:10<mpkidd>ok ok
12:11<zeb>so knoppix != debian is the general message here?
12:11<devil>well, knoppix was never really meant to be installed
12:11<zeb>I realize this
12:11<zeb>I realize it every day
12:11<mpkidd>what version of knoppix are you runing
12:11<zeb>last I checked it was 3.3
12:11<mpkidd>3.3 was woody based
12:11<devil>zeb: why not use debian pure or any derivate?
12:12<zeb>devil: because I'm not good enough to figure out how to install things myself
12:12<devil>zeb: most have a nice installer nowadays
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12:12<mpkidd>ok i don'tmean to sound like a prude but isn't that why ubuntu was created to give you an easy debian based distro
12:13<zeb>I installed this before I ever heard of ubuntu
12:13<mpkidd>so did i
12:13<zeb>this was years ago
12:13<mpkidd>i used to use knoppix 3.3
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12:13<devil>mpkidd: i have no idea really why ubuntu was created ;)
12:13<Donno>nowadays it also quite easy to install a netbased debian
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12:14<mpkidd>heck even debian's netinstall has a gui install too
12:16<zeb>well... do I need a working cd drive to do those?
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12:16<zeb>"netinstall"... probably not
12:16<mpkidd>ummm in theory yeah but how old of a machine are we talking here
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12:16<zeb>no, the problem is that my cd drive stopped working
12:16<mpkidd>yeah but you would need the drive to boot the cd
12:17<mpkidd>laptop or desktop??
12:17<mpkidd>ok dude you have a job or no??
12:17<zeb>it opens and closes, but refuses to acknowledge the cds as valid
12:17<mpkidd>walmart dvd-roms like really cheap
12:17<zeb>work with me here
12:17<mpkidd> cdrom';s and cd-rw's as well
12:17<mpkidd>i am
12:18<mpkidd>so you cna use a cd right
12:18<zeb>no cds
12:18<mpkidd>do you have a zip drive or floppy drive maybe or god serial console
12:19<zeb>I assume I have a usb drive
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12:20<leleobhz>mpkidd: some idea?
12:20<mpkidd>let me see what i can find to help you out
12:20<zeb>help me... install a real OS, or fix aptitude?
12:20<mpkidd>for you leleobhz your beyond my scope never used xen but i will still try and help you out
12:21<mpkidd>ok ok zeb calm down
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12:21<Donno>think theres a debian-usb how-to on the www
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12:21<kop>zeb: In the past I've used PXE boot. You setup a tftp server and boot from that. Once in debian there's a way to install while already booted, but I forget the details.
12:21<leleobhz>mpkidd: notting about xen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:21<Donno>have kinda the same prob on a laptop with a blown cdrom
12:22<mpkidd>ok no need ot yell
12:22<leleobhz>mpkidd: i only want the list of packages the debian-installer install when you select-basic0system
12:22<leleobhz>mpkidd: i only want the list of packages the debian-installer install when you select-basic system
12:22<mpkidd>ok hold on
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12:22<devil>zeb: i dont think, aptitude is the prob, its aptitude with knoppix
12:23<mpkidd>hey zeb try this
12:23<kop>leleobhz : There's an apt "level" that's part of each package. It's in the reference docs at iirc. Then you ask apt or aptitude for everything of that level.
12:23<kop>leleobhz : See also the debian-policy package. It's probably in there too.
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12:23<leleobhz>kop: nice!
12:24<kop>leleobhz : (I forget the vocabulary. "level" is not the right word.)
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12:24<zeb>right over my head
12:24<Donno>anybody who knows a good data recovery app? got a friend who, as a mistake, reformattet a drive in winblowz-xp install and want to recover the data. He hasnt written anything on the drive yet
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12:25<dpkg>rumour has it, testdisk is an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first., or see also gpart, or or if that url doesn't work: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks. It is very useful in recovering lost partitions.
12:25<devil>zeb: i know that debian 4 has a gui installer, others do too
12:25<valdyn>dpkg is fucked
12:25<Donno>valdyn: can it handle ntfs?
12:25<valdyn>testdisk is not "an alternative to gpart"
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12:26<valdyn>Donno: i think so
12:26<valdyn>Donno: "apt-cache show testdisk"
12:26<Donno>valdyn: thanks
12:26<devil>Donno: sry, wrong link
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12:27<valdyn>kop: the word is "priority"
12:27<kop>valdyn : Doh! Thanks.
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12:31<kop>leleobhz : I'm not so sure about that. For some reason I've this feeling that baseconfig is gone in etch, but maybe that's only if you want to call it with dpkg-reconfigure to re-setup the basics. I recall nothing other than to be careful.
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12:36<leleobhz>kop: in etch have no more this package
12:36<kop>leleobhz : See section 5.6.6 of /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz, file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html, and 'aptitude search ~pstandard'.
12:37<kop>leleobhz : Or 'aptitude search ~prequired'.
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13:19<Franki>hiI have a debian-etch installation here on which I updated the kernel to a custom 2.6.22 one. Should I better keep the original "linux-kernel-headers_2.6.18-7" package from etch or should I better install the newer package "linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-6" from lenny?
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13:20<sepski>Franki, dont mix versions, use a backport if you have to.
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13:21<Franki>sepski: thanks, but I can't find 2.6.22 kernel-headers in the backports
13:21<Franki>to etch
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13:22<Franki>and I mean the "linux-kernel-headers", not "linux-headers-2.6.22..."
13:23<dejanpan>hi guys, i am trying to enable suspend-2-disk functionality on my debian stable running on asus, amd64 turion, graphic card: GeForce 7600! Does anybody has some pointers, tutorials to look for how to do it?
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13:31<rip123>gibts für knoppix n tool um daten von ner formatierten festplatte wiederherzustellen?
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13:32<bremner>!tell rip123 about de
13:32<bremner>!tell rip123 about knoppix
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13:33<dvst>hi all
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13:34<Franki>who can answer my question?
13:35<bremner>!tell Franki about repeat
13:35<dvst>what free software for the equines you recomend me?
13:35<bremner>dvst: equines=horses ?
13:35<dvst>bremner, yes
13:36<Franki>I have a debian-etch installation here on which I updated the kernel to a custom 2.6.22 one. Should I better keep the original "linux-kernel-headers_2.6.18-7" package from etch or should I better install the newer package "linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-6" from lenny?
13:36<bremner>dvst: what about them do you want to computerize?
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13:36<bremner>!tell Franki about repeat
13:36<Franki>I can't find 2.6.22 kernel-headers in the backports, and I mean the "linux-kernel-headers", not "linux-headers-2.6.22"
13:37*bremner is becoming less helpfull by the minute
13:37<dvst>bremner, stadistics, medicine for them, pedigree
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13:39<bremner>dvst: hmm. ?
13:39<bremner>dvst: not much there
13:40<bremner>dvst: There is R for statistics in general, but I don't know how helpful that would be
13:41<Franki>sepski: still there?
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13:41<dvst>bremner, I understand, i was looking for a software that cover all that envolve maintain a horse
13:42<dvst>bremner, his races, parents, etc
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13:42<dvst>a friend tells me that is the 3rd market in USA
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13:43<bremner>dvst: I don't know of any, sorry. You could try the mailing list
13:43<dvst>bremner, thanks
13:44<dejanpan>hi *, anybody that can answer my question from above?
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13:46<Franki>dejanpan: sorry, I never used suspend2 yet
13:47<dejanpan>Franki, so suspend2 is the LKM i shall look for then?
13:48<Franki>hmm, I'm not sure if suspend2 actually is on the LKM, since it is an unofficial patch
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13:51<acemtp>hello, where can i talk with some debian package maintainers?
13:51<acemtp>is there a specific channel?
13:51<adii>i've got 2 devices connected to the internet on two different connection (i.e. providers) . how can i tell a program to use one instead of the other one ?
13:52<Franki>who can help me finding the "linux-kernel-header" package on etch-backports for 2.6.22 kernels?
13:54<Onepamopa>Franki, apt-cache search kernel-headers ?
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13:55<Franki>Onepamopa: thanks, I'm just testing it...wait
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13:57<xre>my wifi card Atheros AR5006EG works under Ubuntu but isn't even DETECTED via LSPCI under Debian. It says "Unknown device". Madwifi is installed and seems working. What should I do?
13:58<cahoot>tried update-pciids?
13:58<cahoot>it *is* a pci device?
13:59<xre>05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Unknown device [0001:001c] (rev 01)
13:59<xre>from lspci
13:59<xre>lspci under Ubuntu gives me the correct name for the card "Atheros blabla"
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14:00<NiCeBoY>hello , i am using debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-5-686, i have notice that this kernel version has several vulnerabilities and am suffering from many problem, what can i do to fix the kernel problems please? by patching the kernel or what please? , after some hours it can be 2 or 3 or 15 hours i lost connection of my server completely it stop to respond, no ssh, no web.. and nothing but i can still ping the ip.s but cant connect to it.
14:00<Franki>Onepamopa: can you tell me what to put in my source.lst for the etch-backports?
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14:01<Onepamopa>don't know
14:01<Onepamopa>ask someone else
14:02<NiCeBoY>anyone can help lz?
14:02<fxiny>Franki: >> instructions
14:02<NiCeBoY>ok waiting for someone then
14:02<NiCeBoY>severe problem :(
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14:04<fxiny>NiCeBoY: add to your sources.lists
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14:06<adii>i've got 2 devices connected to the internet on two different connection (i.e. providers) . how can i tell a program to use one instead of the other one ?
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14:07<mc>you cant.
14:07<mc>your Operating system takes care of this.
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14:07<the-dude>adii: perhaps you can add a route
14:08<adii>a route for a specific program ?
14:08<mc>adii: but this is nontrivial, you might want to refer to or #lartc (Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control)
14:08<drmay>g++ is giving undefined reference to `__sync_fetch_and_add_4, anyone knows something about this?
14:09<the-dude>for a program will be hard I quess but for one or several ip-adress is possible
14:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 355] by debhelper
14:09<adii>i'm student in IT (especially linux part) so I'll have to do that anyways :p
14:09<mc>adii: then understand first, why a "program" cant take routing decisions.
14:10<mc>havent done it in a while, the only thing which might work is to let the program bind() and then let the os do source routing.
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14:11<the-dude>adii: perhaps you should give some more details
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14:16<valdyn>adii: you can router by various criteria, but you cant do it by program with recent kernels
14:16<valdyn>adii: you can route by various criteria, but you cant do it by program with recent kernels
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14:17<valdyn>xre: did you run update-pciids yet?
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14:18<valdyn>xre: you're confused as to what lspci does. Sure its detected.
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14:19<xre>update-pciids was tried
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14:19<xre>I think it's a physical issue
14:19<valdyn>xre: no.
14:20<xre>I don't get why the card appears correctly under Ubuntu and is shown as "Unkown device" under both Debian and CentOS
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14:20<valdyn>xre: run update-pciids on those ( Debian and CentOS )
14:20<xre>I did
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14:21<valdyn>xre: ok, run lspci -n on ubuntu and paste the line showing for your nic
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14:23<xre>05:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01)
14:23<xre>under Ubuntu
14:23<valdyn>xre: and what is the line on debian?
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14:23<lauriexxx>good evening to all, i wondered if anybody has tried SIDUX ? i m actually running Ubuntu Gutsy, but fancy a change, any input?
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14:24<lauriexxx>cahoot: do you know an irc link, as i could not find any...
14:25<noflash>lauriexxx, got google? ;)
14:25<dpkg>it has been said that sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
14:25<valdyn>xre: read the url i gave you, that device is not officially added to the pciid list yet. Ubuntu must have added it themselves 'manually'
14:26<valdyn>xre: dont let that bother you, its irrelevant really
14:26<cahoot>lauriexxx: 103 users atm
14:26<valdyn>xre: its only a name - value mapping, it totally unrelated to what your kernel knows or knows not
14:26<xre>valdyn: 05:00.0 0200: 0001:001c (rev 01)
14:26<xre>under debian
14:26<valdyn>xre: ah
14:27<valdyn>xre: and another error on top, ok, alright
14:27<lauriexxx>cahoot: sorry for my stupidity, could you tell me how to join?
14:27<xre>valdyn: what was the URL please?
14:27<cahoot>lauriexxx: try /j #sidux
14:27<valdyn>xre: debian is for some reason showing a wrong vendor id
14:28<valdyn>xre: i dont understand that part.
14:28<lauriexxx>cahoot:thank you ever so much for your patience.
14:28<cahoot>lauriexxx: np
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14:29<valdyn>xre: nm, the idiots entering nonsense there in that db confused my, your thing is there
14:29<valdyn>xre: remains your issue with the wrong vendor id being "detected"
14:29<xre>yes 0001 is absurd..
14:30<valdyn>xre: but the device works fine still?
14:30<xre>under Ubuntu yes
14:30<xre>but it doesn't work with Debian
14:30<valdyn>xre: which kernels are you using on those 3 distros?
14:30<xre>I tried both madwifi and ndiswrapper
14:31<valdyn>xre: all those drivers should go by pciid, which wont work obviously in your case
14:31<xre>Alam_Debian: 2.6.18-5-686
14:31<xre>Alam_Debian: 2.6.18-5-686
14:31<xre>sorry I don't get what is this "Alam_" doing here
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14:32<valdyn>xre: its a well known error
14:32<valdyn>xre: hold on..
14:33<xre>been working around since days
14:33<xre>guys at the centos forums don't get the issue
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14:33<valdyn>xre: well, its well known
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14:33<valdyn>xre: ok, does a cold restart fix this? have you tried?
14:33<xre>still the same
14:34<valdyn>xre: grep MMCONFIG /boot/config-$(uname -r)
14:34<valdyn>xre: do that command on ubuntu too please, and show results
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14:34<xre># CONFIG_PCI_GOMMCONFIG is not set
14:35<xre>for Debian
14:35<xre>booting Ubuntu as we speak..
14:35<valdyn>xre: i only need CONFIG_PCI_MMCONFIG
14:35<valdyn>xre: no idea what that GOMMCONFIG is
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14:36<valdyn>xre: do it on CentOS too if you can
14:37<xre>the same result on Ubuntu
14:37<xre>it is set to y
14:37<xre>but I don't use the same kernels
14:37<xre>Ubuntu uses 2.6.22-14-generic
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14:37<xre>2.6.18-5-686 for debian
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14:37<valdyn>xre: ok, maybe that kernel has a fix, or the lkml mails im reading is misleading
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14:38<valdyn>xre: can you boot your debian with the boot option : "pci=conf1" ?
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14:39<valdyn>xre: all 3 oses are on the same box?
14:39<xre>I'm adding the boot option as we speak
14:39<valdyn>xre: ok, waiting
14:40<xre>the only option I have is ro
14:40<xre>I add pci=conf1
14:41<valdyn>xre: yep
14:41<xre>starting up..
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14:42<xre>lspci now shows the correct information
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14:44<valdyn>xre: a bios update should probably fix this too, but uh, adding that option is easier anyway
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14:45<adii>when i try to compile something on my brand new instaleld gtk2.0 ( that's my first try with gtk by the way ) i got that error :
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14:45<xre>thanks a lot
14:45<xre>how did you found this out?
14:46<valdyn>adii: no surprise, you arent providing any code that could contain the main function
14:46<adii>lol wtf
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14:46<valdyn>xre: google, sec
14:46<adii>i've been spending half an hour trying to fix that prob omg
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14:47<valdyn>xre: first hit
14:48<xre>guess I should have been a little more careful and noticed that the IDs were not matching
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14:55<marga>Hi! I'm having trouble with NFS and gbit cards, both at home and at work. At home, I have a server with a gbit card, but my switch is 100mbit. However, since we have it, doing a simple "ls" in an nfs mounted dir takes about 2 seconds. I'm using nfs over tcp.
14:56<marga>So, it seems that even if the information travels at 100mbit, the fact that the card is gbit is causing me troubles. What should I do?
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15:04<Onepamopa>marga, 1ggbit cards should not have problems when used in 100mbit network
15:05<Onepamopa>I have 4 pc's at home in 100mbit network
15:05<Onepamopa>no prolbems
15:05<marga>Onepamopa: do you have a 1gbit nfs-server and the stations mounting from it?
15:06<Franki>Onepamopa: I've run "apt-cache search linux-kernel-headers" as you suggested before, and I'm getting 2 completely different packages
15:06<marga>This used to work perfectly fine, until we had to change the motherboard. It _could_ be anything else on the motherboard, but it smells very much an "ethernet problem"
15:06<Onepamopa>Franki, what kind of packages ?
15:06<Onepamopa>marga, the card is 1ggbit marvel, onboard
15:06<Franki>"linux-kernel-headers" and "linux-libc-dev" bot with the same description
15:06<Franki>description: "Linux Kernel Headers for development"
15:06<Onepamopa>Franki, so, you want kernel headers, right?
15:07<Franki>Onepamopa: yes.
15:07<marga>Onepamopa: this one is Realtek.
15:07<marga>Maybe it's a module problem...
15:07<Onepamopa>marga, maybe, you should check it out
15:07<Onepamopa>Franki, so, download linux-kernel-headers
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15:08<Franki>Hmm, both say it's for etch, the problem is that the "linux-libc-dev" package's version is closer to my kernel
15:08<Franki>(I got a custom kernel)
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15:09<chicharito0013>what is
15:09<Franki>Did the debian package maintainers decide to rename the linux-kernel-headers to linux-libc-dev? because the description of the packages are 100% equal.
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15:10<Onepamopa>Franki, ?
15:10<Franki>I meant the above
15:10<Onepamopa>Franki, I told you what to download
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15:11<Onepamopa>Franki, no etch no bla bla bla, it's kernel-headers to some version of kernel
15:11<Onepamopa>if u have kernel 1.1.1, you want kernel-headers for 1.1.1
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15:11<Franki>Ok, fine. I was wondering how it can be that a newer version only has about 40% of the size of an older version.
15:11<Franki>Onepamopa: yes
15:12<Franki>I'm having kernel 2.6.22, so I want "linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22"
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15:12<NiCeBoY>hello, what is the ssh command to check for unmounted hard disks on my system please?
15:12<Franki>but there is no package named "linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22" on debian nor debian packport
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15:13<marga>NiCeBoY: I don't think there is any command like that.
15:14<dkr>NiCeBoY: fdisk -l /dev/hda will list all partitions on that disk. you could compare with mount to see what is already mounted
15:14<Franki>Onepamopa: there are only "linux-kernel-headers-" and "linux-libc-dev-2.6.22..." with the same package description, both saying "Linux kernel headers for development" and both are for etch
15:15<marga>Franki: maybe you need to add lenny sources to your apt repositoris
15:15<Onepamopa>Franki, so, your kernel is 2.6.22 ?
15:15<Onepamopa>no etc
15:16<NiCeBoY>ook thx
15:16<Franki>Onepamopa: I have a debian etch here, but only the kernel is a custom 2.6.22
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15:16<Onepamopa>I'm using lenny
15:17<Onepamopa>and I have found both linux-image and headers for 2.6.22, and above
15:17<valdyn>Franki: you're confused
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15:17<valdyn>Franki: linux-kernel-headers / linux-libc-dev ( new name for same thing ), is not specific to your kernel
15:17<Franki>And I just see that the "linux-libc-devel" package is a backport from the lenny's "linux-libc-devel" but meant for etch
15:18<Franki>valdyn: yes, I know taht
15:18<Onepamopa>linux-headers-2.6.22-3 - Common header files for Linux 2.6.22
15:18<Onepamopa>that's lastest
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15:18<valdyn>Franki: your kernels headers though are specific to your kernel, debian cant provide those
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15:18<Franki>Onepamopa: I got the linux-headers-2.6.22... already, since they were automatically generated from the kernel source by the make-kpkg script earlier
15:18<valdyn>Franki: since you said its a custom kernel.
15:19<Onepamopa>Franki, you can get linux-image-2.6.22-3 for example
15:19<Xliff>Can someone tell me why /etc/apache2/envvars is read properly when I use apache2ctl but not when I use /etc/init.d/apache2 to restart the webserver?
15:19<Onepamopa>and its headers
15:19<Onepamopa>it should be easyer
15:19<Xliff>For the life of me I can't seem to figure that one out.
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15:20<Onepamopa>Franki, by the way, why do you need those headers?
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15:21<Franki>Onepamopa: I got the linux-image.. and linux-headers.. already, I just want the linux-kernel-headers (or linux-libc-devel) that best fit's to a 2.6.22 kernel
15:21<Onepamopa>Franki, what do you have in /usr/src ?
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15:21<Franki>Onepamopa: I have some program which I suspect of requiring those libc-headers, and not the actual kernel-headers
15:21<valdyn>Franki: it doesnt "fit to a kernel"
15:21<Onepamopa>kernel-headers-blabla, right?
15:22<valdyn>Franki: it _was_ already used to compile libc6
15:22<Franki>Franki: nothing
15:22<Onepamopa>Franki, what's that program?
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15:22<Xliff>Franki: Are you building your own kernel? If so, then make-kpkg binary-arch should do everything you need.
15:22<Franki>Onepamopa: I guess non-free nvidia-driver
15:22<Xliff>"make-kpkg binary-arch" should create an image and a headers .deb
15:22<valdyn>Franki: and its not used to build nvidia-driver
15:23<Franki>Xliff: yes, I now. This is what it actually did!
15:23<Xliff>Franki: OK, so what problem are you having¿
15:23<Franki>valdyn: thanks, I didn't knew that,
15:23<Onepamopa>I guess nvidia-kernel isnt able to compile ;)
15:23<Xliff>How I got that upside down question mark, I dunno.
15:23<Onepamopa>Franki, download kernel-headers for 2.6.22
15:23<Xliff>Onepamopa - ah
15:23<Franki>Onepamopa: that is 1 problem I got
15:23<Onepamopa>and kernel source for the same
15:23<valdyn>Onepamopa: geez
15:24<Onepamopa>go into source, and configure, then make prepare
15:24<Onepamopa>and that's it
15:24<Xliff>Franki: What error do you get?
15:24<Onepamopa>valdyn, ? :>
15:24<Xliff>Can someone please tell me why /etc/apache2/envvars is read properly when I use apache2ctl but not when I use /etc/init.d/apache2 to restart the webserver?
15:24<Franki>Onepamopa: and I can't figure out by looking at the error messages what the actual error was.
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15:24<Onepamopa>Franki, I know what the actual error message is :>
15:24<valdyn>Onepamopa: he already has a custom kernel, grabbing debians sources and headers is not going to help at all
15:25<Onepamopa>it cant compile the kernel, couse it didnt find kernel-source and kernel-headers used to build your present kernel
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15:25<Onepamopa>by kernel, I mean nvidia-kernel
15:25<Onepamopa>brb, work..
15:25<Franki>(hundreds of GCC ill-digested lines)
15:25<Onepamopa>Franki, download kernel headers and source for 2.6.22
15:25<Onepamopa>type when ready
15:26<Franki>but that was several months ago and I won't do that stuff right now
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15:27<Franki>Onepamopa: so you want me to install the debian 2.6.22 kernel?
15:27<Onepamopa>you have 2.6.22 kernel, already installed
15:28<Onepamopa>so, you can copy it's kernel.config file into the source
15:28<Onepamopa>do configure
15:28<Onepamopa>then make prepare
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15:28<Onepamopa>and then compile nvidia-kernel
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15:31<Xliff>Can someone tell me why /etc/apache2/envvars is read properly when I use apache2ctl but not when I use /etc/init.d/apache2 to restart the webserver?
15:31<Franki>Onepamopa: okay, thanks, I'm keeping your suggestions for later, because I won't do that now. I originally just wanted to know which "linux-kernel-headers" I need to install, but it seems that they aren't needed at all. Am I right or did I misundersood you?
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15:33<valdyn>Franki: you dont need those and not linux-libc-devel, which replace it, either.
15:33<Onepamopa>well, I personaly prefer to do that, when installing nvidia-driver ;)
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15:36<Xliff>I so hate you ORACLE_HOME -- explain why you won't work from the init script!
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15:38<Onepamopa>Xliff, check what /usr/sbin/apache2ctl has to say ;)
15:38<Onepamopa>look for env
15:38<Franki>valdyn: ok. So I think that the compiler errors I'm getting with GCC with some programs are not due to outdated linux-kernel-headers if I'm having my own linux-headers-2.6.22. May that be correct?
15:38<Onepamopa>init script is using apache2ctl to start/stop/restart etc, not something else
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15:39<Xliff>Onepamopa - Trust me, I've looked over both. There should be no reason why it DOESN'T work, but consistently when I use the init.script, my DBI trace tells me ORACLE_HOME is unset
15:39<Xliff>But when I use apache2ctl all is well
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15:40<Xliff>And yes, the init script is "env -i PATH... LANG... /path/to/apache2ctl"
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15:40<Xliff> /etc/apache2/envvars is read from apache2ctl, and I can even SEE it being set properly both ways
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15:41<Xliff>I'm using apache2.2 for the record
15:41<valdyn>Franki: sure
15:42<valdyn>Franki: nvidia-kernel cannot, must not use linux-kernel-headers
15:42<valdyn>Franki: those kernels are for compiling userspace applications
15:42<valdyn>Franki: mainly libc6
15:42<valdyn>Franki: ops, those _headers_
15:42<Onepamopa>Xliff, well, you can simply create another init file, instead of apache2 :>
15:43<Onepamopa>one, taht specificly uses apache2ctl for everything
15:43<Onepamopa>I'm going to smoke ..
15:43<valdyn>Franki: you really want to read yourself or paste the errors.
15:43<Xliff>Damn U! I want one, Onep
15:43<Franki>valdyn: which errors?
15:43<valdyn>Franki: whatever error you are getting
15:43<Onepamopa>well, cant help you right now ..
15:44<valdyn>Franki: we're all just guessing wildly without black on white errors
15:44<Franki>Hmm, I'm currently not in the mood for gcc fiddling, I just wanted to update my packages
15:44<valdyn>Franki: im not sure what pasting has to do with fiddling
15:44<Onepamopa>Xliff, I'll be back in about 30 mins, and then we'll see about the init file
15:45<Franki>not the pasting, but the compilation-error searching
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15:45<valdyn>Franki: you can paste the whole output, it wont take more than a few seconds for many people to read thru it
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15:46<valdyn>Franki: just dont paset on this channel, use a paste site
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16:01<dec>has anyone installed kde4 yet
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16:03<streuner>Do you aware that's in experimental?
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16:03<dec>yes but I wanted to install it on ubuntu
16:04<streuner>dec: #ubuntu ( then
16:04<dec>streuner how do i get to that
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16:07<Dbrown>is there any sort of enterprise support for debian?
16:08<lupine_85>Dbrown: there are loads of consultants around with Debian experience, I'm sure
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16:08<lupine_85>here we go:
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16:08<bremner>dec: goto
16:08<valdyn>ibm and hp do debian support
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16:09<valdyn>ibm does everything anyway.
16:09<lupine_85>debian itself is a community project, so can't really offer much in the way of commercial support
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16:09<Dbrown>thanks lupine
16:10<hilary>how do i share files between linux desktops?
16:10<valdyn>hilary: there's many ways, what are you trying to share in which environment?
16:11<lupine_85>sshfs is always good
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16:11<valdyn>and overkill if i just want to copy a few single files
16:11<hilary>just directories of photos between a kububtu machine and a debian machine
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16:11<valdyn>hilary: you are using the nautilus browser? or perfer the terminal?
16:12*lupine_85 would mount the directory using sshfs
16:12<hilary>I'm using konqueror
16:12*bremner would use sftp:// in konqueror
16:12<valdyn>my sister uses just the ssh feature of nautilus
16:12<hilary>I'd prefer a gui
16:12<lupine_85>fish:// you mean?
16:12*bremner for the win
16:13<lupine_85>yeah, it rocks
16:13<valdyn>hilary: fish://remote_host/
16:13<bremner>sftp:// is more reliable for some reason
16:13<lupine_85>assuming the remote host is running an ssh server
16:13<valdyn>I didn't know about sftp
16:13<hilary>it is
16:13<Onepamopa>lupine_85, well well, what's up ;)
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16:13<bremner>valdyn: lately there were wierd bugs in fish://, sftp:// still worked
16:13<hilary>I found a gui that used fish but it wouldn't connect
16:13<hilary>better go readf up, thanks
16:14<lupine_85>Onepamopa: all sorts :p
16:14<bremner>yeah, that wierd bug
16:14<valdyn>hilary: konqueror should just work with it
16:14<devil>fish is seriously borked
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16:14<valdyn>hilary: or sftp then if fish is 'borked'.
16:14<bremner>same idea: sftp://remotehost
16:15<hilary>yes it was the Konqueror add a network folder wizard, but it wouldn't connect
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16:16<bremner>hilary: can you ssh to the other host from the command line? (only once, to debug)
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16:16<bremner>hilary: instead of the wizard, try just typing the sftp://hostname url
16:16<bremner>hilary: is your username the same on both hosts?
16:17<lupine_85>it can help to specify the username in the URL: sftp://username@hostname//
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16:17<Dbrown>I tried to install vmware gsx and I get stuck when it tries to find the directory of the C header files that match the running kernel
16:17<valdyn>!b-e Dbrown
16:17<dpkg>Dbrown: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
16:17<valdyn>Dbrown: + aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
16:18<bremner>Dbrown: yeah, but aren't you paying vmware for this? or am I offbase.
16:18*bremner hates VMWare cuz the once stole $150 from him
16:18<hilary>bremner : no it's not
16:19<bremner>hilary: then you need to follow the format lupine_85 suggested: sftp://user@hostname
16:19<bremner>hilary: where user is the username on the remote host
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16:21<hilary>cool that worked a treat
16:21<hilary>thanks a lot
16:21<hilary>later :)
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16:22<Franki>valdyn: I was wondering whether the package "libc6-dev" is required to build custom kernels
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16:24<bremner>hilary: yah. Go konqueror!
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16:27<Onepamopa>bremner, vmware sux, use XEN ;)
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16:27<bremner>Onepamopa: or virtualbox-ose
16:28<Onepamopa>xen's the best ;>
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16:28<tmg1|chthulhu>this channel is overflowing the buffer in my irc client
16:29<bremner>seriously, why is xen better?
16:29<tmg1|chthulhu>you could presumably make a username with an exploit or something :)
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16:29<Aleric>What should I read if I want to make my own debian package?
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16:29<Aleric>As maintainer
16:30<bremner>Aleric: see especially developers reference, also #debian-mentors
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16:34<Franki>Onepamopa: you asked me a while ago "Franki, by the way, why do you need those headers?". Know I remeber. It's because I have the package "build-essential" because I wanted to build my own packages. This "build-essential" depends on "libc6-dev" which in turn depends on "linux-kernel-headers". The only thing I don't know is whether I need "build-essential" at all to build my own debian packages.
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16:34<Onepamopa>Franki, true
16:34<Onepamopa>did you, or did you not build nvidia-kernel?
16:35<Franki>Onepamopa: not yet. I have other task with higher priority on my schedule :)
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16:37<Franki>Funnily, build-essential is the only package that depends on "linux-kernel-headers". What am I supposed to do now? Shall I install both my custom "linux-headers-2.6.22" and the "linux-kernel-headers"? Don't they conflict somehow?
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16:37<Onepamopa>download the first one
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16:47<Franki>Onepamopa: this is what I also though, but the "libc6-dev" has a depends on "linux-kernel-headers"
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16:50<Aleric>What should I read if I want to create my own debian package?
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16:50<Aleric>I cannot find anything that explains how to create a new debian/ directory from scratch.
16:51<bremner>Aleric: dh_make
16:51<bremner>Aleric: and you will have more luck with these questions on #debian-mentors, probably
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16:51<Aleric>Is there an url that I can read with all gory details for creating a new debian package?
16:52<bremner>Aleric, as I said last time,
16:52<bremner>there are really all of the gory details
16:52<bremner>and then some
16:52<Aleric>bremner: Can't you be more specific? I tried to find the info there.
16:52<Aleric>I can't find it.
16:53<bremner>Aleric: did you look at dh_make?
16:53<Aleric> goes from 5.1 New packages, which only says to look in / register with WNPP to 5.2 "update the change log" to 5.3 "Testing the (finish???) package"
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16:54<Aleric>There is a HUGE gap there between registering that you will work on a package and the time that it is finished, ready for testing with lintian.
16:54<bremner>Aleric ^^
16:55<bremner>Aleric: more or less a howto
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17:16<mzhang>dli, renderer should be ogl for gnash right?
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17:31<pieisgood>Hmmm so there is this xorg bug that won't allow me to start apps.. azureus, vlc ect... earlier there was an early untested fix.. is there a real fix yet?
17:32<devil>pieisgood: the fix is valid, but maybe not for ubuntu, no idea
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17:33<amphi>pieisgood: what do you mean? do you get any error when you run them from a term?
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17:34<devil>amphi: speaking of
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17:36<devil>heh, just now uploaded:
17:36<devil>[23:33:42] <BTS> xorg-server (2:1.4.1~git20080118-1) uploaded by Brice Goglin (bgoglin) (Closes: #449108, #461410).
17:36<amphi>devil: ah ;)
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17:36<devil>pieisgood: fixed package will be in next upgrade, i guess
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17:44<pieisgood>went afk... back lol
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17:53<neo_>Question: In Apache, if plans to Host multiple Websites/Domains, (probably 3) - ServerType should be set to standalone or inetd? Or is this not the place to set that?
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17:55<neo_>Thanks themill,
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18:05<Tarcas>neo: Big websites or small? If you only have a few hits per day, inetd would be fine. A little more CPU for each first visit, but less memory used when nobody's on.
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18:05<pieisgood>devil: thanks for the links, the xorg server update worked :D
18:06<devil>pieisgood: :)
18:06<devil>pieisgood: just got uploaded as we talked
18:06<pieisgood>oh, good :)
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18:07<pieisgood>well... thanks a lot, i'm sure i'll end up here again to whine about some other problem
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18:12<neo_>Small Tarcas
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18:13<neo_>And standalone pulls more CPU Per Visit?
18:14<ServerSide>ok i've a big problem:
18:14<ServerSide>When I'm not on my pc(idle'ing), my connection begins to be very slow and my irc-client begins to reconnect to irc servers because of the ping. But after that part, all the internet is slowing down, and i finally can't get any web page. I already tryed many things, restarting network-manger, modprobe -r ipw3945 & modprobe ipw3945 (that's my wlan(wifi) driver), but when i do that, my console crashs. The only way to get internet again is rebooting
18:14<ServerSide>computer(lame :/), and I sometimes have to push down on the OFF button because halt have problems with shutdowning network interface... Any help will be appreciated ;)
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18:18<Tarcas>neo: stanalone keeps the daemon running always. which costs you some RAM. Inetd starts it up when someone visits the page, and the startup takes CPU
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18:18<neo_>O ok...
18:19<neo_>So either way, unless it is a high hit site(s), inetd is the best route
18:19<neo_>Places like would use standalone
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18:21<Tarcas>neo: If your server is underloaded, it doesn't matter much. If you're using it for other things, and people seldom visit, then go with inetd. If people visit often then you don't want to start up a new client for each one, and you likely won't have 0 running at any given time, so standalone would be better.
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18:21<themill>neo_: I've never seen anyone use inetd for apache.... it just takes too damned long to start up.
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18:22<Tarcas>If it does take that long to start up, definitely standalone. I don't know how long it does take.
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18:27<neo_>I got 2 gigs to play with, other than personal sites for me and some family members, Ill be running a 'eff off IRCd w/ Services and a Couple Eggies. So I think Ill go standalone
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18:29<Onepamopa>neo_, ircd's ?!
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18:29<Onepamopa>I played with them when I was 14 years old
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18:29<neo_>I run a Network and Help Run another one
18:30<Onepamopa>so, you're Network Administrator, right?
18:30<neo_>Actually I help run both, but I am the one in charge of one
18:30<neo_>Yess Im Root
18:31<Tarcas>neo: definitely standalone.
18:32<neo_>Yea I was kinda thinking that too
18:32<Onepamopa>get a hosting w 40mbps up/down
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18:32<neo_>I had Deb running a while back, but so much started happening in my real life, I had to let somethings go
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18:32<Onepamopa>so, you have another life? (other than real) ??
18:33<neo_>Not really
18:33<Onepamopa>irc sux, bro
18:33<neo_>But I do hang out on the Net a bit
18:33<Onepamopa>me too, as you can see
18:33<neo_>Ive so been sick of IRC for so long it is pittiful
18:34<Onepamopa>I myself have a server, but it's going ot "automatic"
18:34<Onepamopa>I'm tired of it
18:34<neo_>But, the one Network I run is a Christian Network, so I see it has something small I can do to try and give a place for people to chat about what I believe as well
18:34<Onepamopa>they arent chatting about that, 100%
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18:35<neo_>Unfortunately, there hasnt been much chat there in a while other than talking of computers
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18:36<Tarcas>Hmm... Christian Geeks. Sounds like my kind of room.
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18:36<neo_>Most of them got Jobs and all... Ive always had a job as I have 5 kids, a wife, a ex wife and her husband to support. The latter 2 are because they are to lazy so they party off my childsupport
18:36<neo_>LoL Tarcas, it happens truely
18:37<Onepamopa>neo_, you support your ex?
18:37<Onepamopa>I cant believe !
18:37<neo_>I give her Childsupport
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18:37<neo_>I have no control over what she does with it
18:37<Onepamopa>well, yes..
18:37<neo_>And her and her husband are too lazy to keep a job longer than 2 months and quick their jobs again
18:38<Onepamopa>so, they're stuped
18:38<neo_>VERY! and he without doubt it... He is the TRUE version of Redneck... and will brag that he dropped out of school when he was 17 because he was still in the 7th grade
18:38<Tarcas>Onepamopa: Depends on how you define stupid. How much do you like going to work every morning? :-P
18:39<neo_>She is BiPolar!
18:39<Tarcas>wow, Neo. Sounds like you had yourself quite a winner there.
18:39<Onepamopa>Tarcas, I like going to work every morning 8@clock
18:39<Onepamopa>I love my job
18:39<Tarcas>I've got to get one of those.
18:39<Onepamopa>I'm at work even now
18:40<neo_>Which there is nothing wrong with that, but she refuses to listen to her doctor according to my daughter. She told her Physc. that she was the one that was BiPolar and threw the meds back at her
18:40<neo_>ROFL. HAD is right. Im glad I got who I got now... Who I BTW met on IRC!
18:40<neo_>Been with her 8 years now, married 3 and we have 3 kids
18:40<Tarcas>nice. Your own server?
18:40<Tarcas>surely not #debian
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18:41<neo_>She didnt know much about PCs when she met me
18:41<neo_>We both worked as L2 Support Techs for Dell. I worked for 5 years and she worked for 4 years.
18:41<Onepamopa>so, she said: "Heeelp, I have a virus in my computer"
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18:42<Tarcas>Not knowing much about PCs, L2 support for Dell... Hmm, that explains things. :-P
18:42<neo_>No... ROFL... She joined the chat room for the first time I seen her and her nick was, 'gottaluvme' so I asked her 'Why do I gotta luv you?' and when she said, 'Because I said so,' well that is all she wrote
18:42<Tarcas>Actually, I'm Dell WPD and know that the test means nothing.
18:42<neo_>We were really good friends. She was the one I went to for emotional support and all for a year before we met.
18:42<Tarcas>am -> was. that was about 2 years back.
18:42<Onepamopa>Tarcas, WPD?
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18:43<neo_>The Tests mean nothing at all.. Just like School.. They can teach you basics, but can not teach you real life situations.
18:43<Tarcas>Warranty Parts Direct certified. Means you are allowed to replace Dell non-CRU (Customer Replacable Unit) parts and not void the warranty. The test entails finding answers on the website (learning how to navigate their site)
18:44<neo_>Tarcas, actually they dont give a damn. ROFL...
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18:44<Tarcas>They don't teach the basics, they teach how to use the website. You'd never have to have opened a PC (or laptop, server, or printer) in your life and could still make 100%.
18:44<neo_>Onepamopa, Dells Support site at (damn I forgot it) has tear downs and all step by step.
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18:45<Tarcas>Neo: I know. I replaced my laptop mobo this summer under warranty. Very happy they shipped it to me rather than me shipping everything to them for a week or two.
18:45<jae_>Sweet... "Quit" out of Iceweasel, and it just sits there, doing nothing... I hate that shit
18:45<neo_>This is true, but now you have to have 2 PCs... the last one I took I failed 2 times because of 'Technicallities' so the 3rd time I tried to open a browser and look at the answers and it wouldnt accept the submission
18:45<Tarcas>I love those teardowns. Makes it so easy to know what comes next, and the order to replace things.
18:46<neo_>Tarcas, Yes it is a cool thing.. I got to say as far as 'HowTos' Dell has the best site
18:46<Onepamopa>tarbo, warranty? huhuhu, I'm going to send my old dell crt to you ;))
18:46<neo_>They now have their TSing Tree on Support.Dell that you can use and walk through
18:46<Onepamopa>Tarcas. blah
18:47<Tarcas>Their online troubleshooting is among the best I've seen, but htat's not saying much. Fortunately it is comprehensive for the diagnostic lights.
18:47<neo_>Onepamopa, Not even a Dell Engineer will open a monitor unless it caught fire. They just replace and send back to the man.
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18:47<Onepamopa>neo_, ;)
18:47<Onepamopa>by the way, I'm too a kind of support
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18:48<neo_>You know, without those LEDs, most of your Techs that work for Dell on the Support Line wouldnt know what to do
18:48<Onepamopa>network coordinator
18:48<Tarcas>Onepamopa: If you have the home (Inspiron, Dimension) warranty, you paid for the on-site tech support. They'll actually send someone to your house to do the swap. You already paid, use it.
18:48<neo_>And without that TSing Tool they wouldnt know what to do
18:48<neo_>I cant tell you how much I hated and how many times I walked away from L1s because they wouldnt think outside of the box
18:48<Onepamopa>Tarcas, well... I'm from bulgaria
18:48<Tarcas>Okay, that might not work then. :-P
18:48<Onepamopa>I know :>
18:48<Tarcas>You'll have to send it in.
18:49<Onepamopa>well, the monitor is '95 ;)
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18:49<neo_>And one tech said, 'How am I supposed to think outside the box when you wont let me out of it?' And I was the new L2 for that team and I told them that I never told them that and they can forget everything the old L2 taught them
18:49<Tarcas>Mail support is the cheaper warranty, but as was my complaint, you send your busted first, then they send the repaired.
18:49<neo_>Its out of date
18:49<neo_>Throw it away and buy a new one
18:50<Onepamopa>I have a new one ;)
18:50<neo_>o ok
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18:50<Onepamopa>21" lcd samsung :>
18:50<Tarcas>Onepamopa: The warranty is the same as the Dell computer it's attached to or 3 years, whichever is longer. Yours is toast.
18:50<plokko>i have a problem
18:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:50<Onepamopa>Tarcas, I know, I know ..:>
18:50<neo_>Yea either way it is toast LoL
18:50<plokko>i have 2 ultrasparc 5 and i can't change screen resolution
18:50<Onepamopa>brb, I'm going for some beer
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18:50<plokko>it remain 1500x500 or similar
18:50<neo_>Im going to get my other 2 kids
18:50<neo_>Ill be back later
18:50<plokko>and the monitor flash
18:51<plokko>i used setenv output-device screen:r1024x768x60
18:51<plokko>can anyone help plz?
18:51<Onepamopa>plokko, check user's manual for horizontal and vertical refresh (Hz)
18:51<Onepamopa>and edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf acordingly
18:52<plokko>but with openbios
18:52<plokko>i have problems with bios
18:52<plokko>i can't see anything
18:52<plokko>manual say to use setenv
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18:53<plokko>it's not a xorg problem
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18:53<plokko>so what i should do?
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18:57<Onepamopa>plokko, first: what do you have, second: what's the problem with it
18:57<twb>In /etc/modules, can I have a comment on the same line as a module?
18:58<twb>e.g. "foo # make blinkenlights flash" instead of ## make blinkenlights flash \n foo"
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18:58<Onepamopa>one # should do the job
18:59<twb>I wasn't sure if the init script would pass it literally to modprobe
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18:59<Onepamopa>you can try ;)
18:59<plokko>i have a problem with two ultrasparc 5/10
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18:59<Onepamopa>plokko, and what exactly is two ultrasparc ?
18:59<twb>But I want the system to come back up
18:59<Onepamopa>a tree ?
18:59<plokko>i can't change resolution and the monitor flash at 1500x900
19:00<plokko>two ultrasparc machine(SUN)
19:00<Tarcas>a Sparc Ultra 5 and a Sparc Ultra 10.
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19:01<plokko>two machines model= "ultrasparc 5/10"
19:01<plokko>i can't change resolution on openbios
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19:01<plokko>i used setenv but don't work
19:01<Tarcas>Sorry, been a while since I've dealt with the Suns. I was using Ultra 5s, and they were replaced with Ultra 10s.
19:02<plokko>it use 1150x900 resolution and it flash on my monitor
19:02<plokko>wtf is not applying the settings(WITH RESET)
19:03<plokko>i simply used setenv output-device screen:r1024x768x76
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19:03<plokko>why it don't change?
19:03<plokko>or x60
19:03<plokko>it's the refresh rate
19:04<twb>Onepamopa: you are wrong
19:04<Onepamopa>twb, about what?
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19:04<twb>Onepamopa: comments on the same line are taken as modprobe arguments
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19:04<Onepamopa>blah, well, type two # then
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19:04<twb>You don't understand. ## is a convention meaning "this comment applies to the following line"
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19:05<plokko>asd so how i can fix it
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19:05<twb>I'm talking about the difference between having the comment and the module on the SAME line as opposed to being on separate lines..
19:05<plokko>please there are 1:05...
19:05<Onepamopa>plokko, I think you should contact Sun Microsystems
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19:06<twb>plokko: in English, "it is <time>", not "there are <time>"
19:06<plokko>for this old machines'?!?!?!?
19:06<plokko>i'ts late
19:06<plokko>english is bad
19:06<plokko>if time is late
19:06<Onepamopa>my english is bad too ;)
19:06<Onepamopa>dont worry
19:06<vook>Wondering if anyone has had any success getting integrated multi-card readers (not usb) to work. I've enabled all kernel options, but still don't get it. Any guidance would be great.
19:06<Onepamopa>so, if it isnt usb, then what is it?
19:06<plokko>you don't know how to fix it?
19:07<plokko>printenv report exactly
19:07<plokko>T_T Please fix this problem so i can sleep
19:07<Tarcas>vook: even integrated uses some kind of bus. What bus? Probably either USB, Firewire, or IDE. I doubt it's a proprietary bus.
19:08<vook>Tarcas: I think it's on the PCI bus. lspci lists "System peripheral: Texas Instruments PCI1620 Firmware Loading Function (rev 01)" That may be it.
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19:08<vook>Tarcas: it's in a laptop, almost looks like it's in the pcmcia bus.
19:09<plokko>so onemoca can't help me?
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19:09<Onepamopa>vook, laptop... blah..
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19:09<Onepamopa>I dont know what bus they use for card-readers..
19:09<Tarcas>vook: Google the PCI1620 and you will find out if that's it for sure. Combine "Linux support" with your search and you may find more than anyone here knows.
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19:10<plokko>onepamopa do you know where i can seark/ask for my problem?
19:10<Onepamopa>plokko, I dont
19:10<plokko>damn shitty machines and damn fck resolutions
19:10<Onepamopa>you can try to install debian with vga=771 (for laptops with screen problems)
19:11<Onepamopa>if you didnt already
19:11<plokko>bye T_T
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19:24<vook>aha! I compiled the module to read the card but not the module to access the host.we'll see.
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19:24<Onepamopa>good luck
19:25<Tarcas>vook: Sounds like my kernel woes. Took 3 compiles to figure out that I'd forgotten the USB driver (even though I'd included USB support) and that was why my keyboard was dead.
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19:27<Onepamopa>I'm thinking of XEN now.. I have to try it ;)
19:27<Onepamopa>that would be my first thing to do, when I go home
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19:47<raz>whats a good place to ask packaging newbie questions?
19:48<raz>i'm currently wondering where to put my man-pages (copying it around in debian/rules) so that dh_installman (also in rules) finds them and treats them properly
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19:49<Gekz>hey guys, debian has the wrong time set xD
19:49<Gekz>I tried dpkg-reconfigure, and it still thinks local time for Sydney Australia is 22:49 >_>
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19:50<Gekz>seems to have mixed up universal time with local time
19:51<raz>Gekz, are you sure your system clock is set properly?
19:52<raz>Gekz, try: ntpdate -v
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19:53<Gekz>raz: now it works :P
19:53<Gekz>thanks :)
19:54<raz>no prob
19:54<One\Coffeee>blah, booooring..
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19:54<raz>it's generally a good idea to keep ntpd (not ntpdate!) running. that way your system clock stays in sync with god.
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19:55<One\Coffeee>use /
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19:57<Tarcas>for values of god where god = any of a number of atomic clocks spread around the world. ;-)
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19:58<One\Coffeee> :>
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19:58<mbrush>hahaha, of course japan!
19:59<mbrush>anyone know if it's possible to put busybox on a sys with all those tools already installed?
19:59<mbrush>i got a 4G drive and I'm trying to make room
20:00<One\Coffeee>I have an old Quantum 250MB at home
20:00<mbrush>nice ... my puter is a 2007 model
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20:01<One\Coffeee>it may be assembled in 2007, there's no sush thing as Model
20:02<mbrush>hehe ... it's an Eee PC ... model 4Gs
20:02<One\Coffeee>?! ;>
20:03<mbrush>i've got my system down to 900MB ...
20:03<One\Coffeee>mine is 4.7 gig :>
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20:04<Gekz>it's me again
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20:04<mbrush>hello me again
20:04<One\Coffeee>Gekz, it's you, again..
20:05<Gekz>I'm using debian sid, and when I tried to install nvidia-glx, it had an error saying no nvidia-kernel package it wanted, so I get nvidia-kernel-source to compiel it. m-a b-i nvidia just fails
20:05<Gekz>I look at the log as it says and the log is blank...
20:06<mbrush>try an ATI card
20:06<Gekz>I had one once.
20:06<One\Coffeee>ATI sux by default
20:06<Gekz>fglrx was ... no.
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20:06<Gekz>lets not talk about it
20:06<Gekz>I need nvidia though, I need the 3d acceleration
20:06<One\Coffeee>nvidia is much easyer
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20:06<Gekz>and she refuses to just wokr for me
20:06<Gekz>and it's breaking my balls.
20:07<One\Coffeee>Gekz, yesterday I played HL2 with wine and 256 mb ATI x1650 pro
20:07<One\Coffeee>it works FINE
20:07<Gekz>I want it to work well, not fine.
20:07<One\Coffeee>well, fine's good
20:07<mbrush>can you find other drivers, from nvidia site or something?
20:07<One\Coffeee>mbrush, they require to build a new kernel
20:07<Gekz>I don't want to >_>
20:08<One\Coffeee>so they can use something from it
20:08<Gekz>I want to simply build the damn nvidia-kernel-source package
20:08<Gekz>which is just there and looking at me
20:08<One\Coffeee>Gekz, ask google for some howto's :>
20:08<mbrush>does it give you any specific errors
20:09<Gekz>none >_>
20:09<Gekz>that's why I'm annoyed
20:09<mbrush>all i have for my 128MB nvidia something is nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
20:09<mbrush>(on ubuntu)
20:10<Gekz>I can't get nvidia-glx because it wants a specific version of nvidia-kernel which isnt available
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20:10<Gekz>as to why I am using nvidia-kernel-source to try and build it with module-assitant
20:10<One\Coffeee>Gekz, download the lastest drivers from nvidia site
20:10<One\Coffeee>make prepare your kernel source
20:10<One\Coffeee>and install
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20:11<Gekz>if I wanted to go to all that effort, why would I have upgraded to sid >_>
20:11<One\Coffeee>don't know, didnt ask ;)
20:11<Gekz>stop winking at me, I am in no mood.
20:12<One\Coffeee>too bad ;)
20:12<mbrush>do you have a package nvidia-kernel-common ?
20:13<mbrush>"This is the 'new' driver for older chipsets. Unless your chipset is
20:13<mbrush>explicitly listed in the nvidia-glx-new description, please use the
20:13<mbrush>nvidia-glx driver, which is more compatible."
20:13<Gekz>it doesnt do anything.
20:13<mbrush>(sorry, something i'm reading)
20:14<mbrush>If you have a TNT, TNT2, or older GeForce, you may need the nvidia-glx-legacy
20:14<mbrush>package instead of this one. If you have a GeForce4, you may need the nvidia-glx
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20:14<Gekz>that sounds liek ubuntu
20:14<mbrush>totally ... hahahah ... I'm on ubuntu on this computer
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20:15<mbrush>but it sounds revelent none the less
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20:16<Gekz>debian packages are not the same as ubuntu packages
20:16<Gekz>similar, but the difference render it useless
20:16<mbrush>i know, but they fixed a lot of probs and put notes in the synaptics desription
20:17<mbrush>usually the notes have some bearing on any deb-type distro
20:18<mbrush>anyway, not solving your problem ... sounds like much fun
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20:20<Gekz>turns out d-i is looking in the wrong place
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20:22<Gekz>I has found a bug.
20:22<rapiddemon>I have a questions about compiling a custom kernel
20:22<Gekz>it was looking for the file nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2, when there was nvidia-kernel.tar.bz21
20:23<rapiddemon>So what I want to do is manage my kernel based solely upon sources
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20:23<rapiddemon>meaning I want to remove the binary kernel package altogether and have apt automatically fetch the latest kernel source each time its released
20:23<rapiddemon>I was wondering if this was possible to do
20:24<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, well, not much, I think..
20:24<One\Coffeee>unless you find some script that checks kernel versions, and everything else
20:24<rapiddemon>Oh, One\Coffeee I should probably be more specific, yeah
20:24<One\Coffeee>I cant be
20:24<One\Coffeee>there's no sush thing
20:25<rapiddemon>No, I'm saying I will be
20:25<rapiddemon>so I don't mind using debian's kernel source if I have to
20:25<One\Coffeee>you use debian, and compile kernel ?!
20:25<rapiddemon>but ultimately, I wouldn't mind writing a script to do it
20:25<One\Coffeee>why use debian then..
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20:25<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, I don't like debian's stock kernel/need different features than what it has
20:26<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, well, then you should compile every version of kernel you came across
20:26<One\Coffeee>every new kernel has something _NEW_ inside
20:26<One\Coffeee>so, if you planing using old .config file ....
20:26<One\Coffeee>it wont work ;)
20:27<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, Well not exactly, I use my old config files but with make oldconfig
20:27<One\Coffeee>and if there's a new option that you want... ?
20:27<rapiddemon>Specifically what I want to do is use APT to manager kernel sources as opposed to kernel binaries
20:27<One\Coffeee>that sound wierd :>
20:27<rapiddemon>and then I can choose to compile each set of kernel sources at my own leisure
20:27<rapiddemon>similar to how i used to do it in Gentoo
20:28<One\Coffeee>debian isnt gentoo
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20:28<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, No i realize, but this seems to be the best way for me to manage my kernel since I need it to be custom and I don'
20:28<Tarcas>is there a package for latest-kernel-source? If so, that should do something like what you want, but I'm not sure that there is one?
20:29<rapiddemon>Tarcas, Yeah, that is what I was wondering, specifically if anyone knew of such a thing
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20:29<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, why do you want the LASTEST kernel?
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20:30<One\Coffeee>Tarcas, nope
20:30<One\Coffeee>there's no last kernel package
20:30<Tarcas>rapiddemon, I haven't heard of one. I prefer to DL mine from That way to don't have the 1 week+ lead time for a new patch.
20:30<One\Coffeee>unless you're using unstable
20:30<One\Coffeee>there maybe a newer kernels
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20:31<Tarcas>If it's in unstable, it should be in Sid too. I'm not surprised that that's not in stable. Who would want to keep new kernels rolling constantly on a stable system? That's unstable by default (Of course, I do that, but not for each new patch; I check the changelogs first. No way would I do that automatically)
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20:32<rapiddemon>Yeah, what I want is specifically the ck sources when they come in
20:32<rapiddemon>and then I don't have to compile it each time, only if I choose to
20:32<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, well, go into the world of bash/perl scripting
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20:33<One\Coffeee>and create a script that would do that
20:33<One\Coffeee>I'm brb
20:33<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, actually, that didn't occur to me...I could just write it as a bash script and run that as a cron job weekly!
20:33<rapiddemon>oh that would be incredibly simple
20:33<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, it's possible..
20:33<rapiddemon>maybe I'll just do that
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20:33<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, you still need to read the changelogs
20:33<One\Coffeee>and compile
20:34<rapiddemon>yeah, the compile I do manually, I've got that part covered
20:34<rapiddemon>just the fetching the source was an issue for me
20:34<One\Coffeee>i hate compiling :>
20:34<Tarcas>rapiddemon: If you do that, I have two suggestions: Pull it from and package the scripts so others can use them too. (Make sure default config in the package is to randomize the download time for's sake!)
20:34<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, and if you do some GOOD script that does it all right
20:34<One\Coffeee>give it somewhere ;)
20:34<rapiddemon>Tarcas, no problem, i'll probably write it later tonight, right after I finish my other project
20:35<One\Coffeee>here's tomorrow
20:35<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, I can upload it to my blog
20:35<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, where are you?
20:35<Tarcas>Sweeeet. I'm no scripter, just a networking and kernel guy.
20:35<rapiddemon>oh wow
20:35<rapiddemon>yeah, im in massachusetts for this week
20:35<One\Coffeee>yep, I hear that a lot
20:35<a0t>Excuse me, today i updated debian with update manager in gnome, and now i can't run, vlc and azureus. When i executed the commands in the terminal appears BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
20:36<a0t>do you know why?
20:36<One\Coffeee>woow that would be gooood one
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20:36<One\Coffeee>brb in about 5 min
20:36<Tarcas>a0t: How's your memory look? Disk space?
20:37<a0t>df shows 66513060 kb free in hard disk
20:37<rapiddemon>ok brb
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20:38<Tarcas>that would not be your insufficient resource then.
20:38<Tarcas>how about memory?
20:39<a0t>it's free 24920
20:40<rapiddemon>a0t that is only 24MB free
20:40<One\Coffeee>a0t, you may need to apt-get autoremove
20:41<One\Coffeee>and apt-get autoclean
20:41<One\Coffeee>to remove some of downloaded stuff
20:41<Tarcas>how much of that is cache though? Linux isn't like Windows, it likes to use all available memory, even if it's just for caching data.
20:41<Tarcas>You can't really count that though since it's still treated as available for other things.
20:41<One\Coffeee>a0t, apt-get autoremove
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20:41<One\Coffeee>then apt-get autoclean
20:42<neo_>I thought NIX was good about not using memory it didnt need and Windows was the resource hog
20:42<a0t>i'm gonna type thew hole df
20:42<Tarcas>Windows wastes memory by requiring that some remain free. Linux's philosophy is empty memory is wasted memory.
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20:43<Tarcas>Linux is slim, but it will keep things in memory that Windows would rather forget about and reread from disk.
20:43<neo_>I hear ya... so if caches memory and will free it up if need be?
20:43<Tarcas>pretty much.
20:43<Tarcas>(minus the typoes. :-P
20:43<a0t>total 507340, used 482420, free 24920, buffers 10668, cached 223596
20:43<One\Coffeee>how bout that:
20:43<neo_>LoL Yea... Cool I learned something else tonight
20:43<One\Coffeee>[dobri@gw-pppoe:~$]cat /proc/meminfo
20:43<One\Coffeee>MemTotal: 2596904 kB
20:43<One\Coffeee>MemFree: 806212 kB
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20:43<Tarcas>Oh ,that looks fine.
20:43<neo_>2 things learned in one day
20:43<neo_>Time for bed
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20:45<Tarcas>One\Coffeee: What's your system uptime? I'm guessing not terribly long.
20:45<Tarcas>I'd guess a0t's uptime is weeks, if not months.
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20:45<One\Coffeee> 03:45:46 up 58 days, 11:36, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.05
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20:46<a0t>how can i get it?
20:46<One\Coffeee>a0t, what?
20:46<Tarcas>Oh, wait... that's 2.5 GB total memory, not 256 MB. Yeah, your cache is probably at least a gig.
20:47<a0t>the system up time
20:47<One\Coffeee>Tarcas, yep :>
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20:48<Tarcas>yeah, I'm used to my server with 128 MB and my desktop with 640
20:48<a0t>i have 512mb and 1 gb swap, is it good or not?
20:48<One\Coffeee>it depends
20:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 322] by debhelper
20:49<Tarcas>What are you doing with the system? How much swap are you using?
20:49<Tarcas>(separate questions)
20:49<a0t>12252 kb
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20:50<a0t>i'm using amule and nicotine
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20:51<Tarcas>just 12 MB? You'll be fine for quite a while. Not sure what amule or nicotine are.
20:51*Tarcas is a kernel and networking guy. Not packages, not graphics.
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20:52<a0t>i get the message The program 'amule' received an X Window System error
20:52*Tarcas didn't even compile in a framebuffer or sound support. Intentionally.
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20:52<Tarcas>lol. what error, a0t? X should be recording a log.
20:52<bernardo>did you guys use partimage?
20:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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20:53<a0t>dpkg i'm gonna do it, thank you
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20:54<Gekz>me again >_>
20:54<Gekz>I lack: sound.
20:54<One\Coffeee>alsaconf ?
20:54<Tarcas>dpkg is a bot, BTW. No need to address or respond to it.
20:54<Gekz>why would I want to do that One\Coffeee
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20:54<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
20:55<One\Coffeee>Gekz, open konsole
20:55<One\Coffeee>type alsaconf
20:55<One\Coffeee>and you'll see
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20:55<Gekz>I see that it says you shouldnt use it with lenny or sid
20:55<Gekz>because udev already loads the drivers
20:55<One\Coffeee>I'm with lenny
20:55<One\Coffeee>no problems using it
20:55<Gekz>none that you know of
20:55<One\Coffeee>well, yes
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20:56<Gekz>oh well, I have sound now
20:56<Gekz>no more bitching for me.
20:56<One\Coffeee>so, alsaconf or something else?
20:56<Tarcas>That was easy. ;-)
20:56<Gekz>I used alsaconf. took the lazy way out
20:56<bernardo>I'm trying to save my partition to an image file with partimage, but the thing is that this software can't make an image of a mounted partition! But I only have one partiton (like 80% of the users) that is running the system, so, how the software expects that I unmount the partition?? it's kinda dumb I think...
20:56<Gekz>I could work out why udev wasnt modprobing the right thing, or I could force it's ass into a corner by specifying with alsaconf
20:57<Gekz>bernardo: just use dd?
20:57<Tarcas>bernardo, just umount it
20:57<dpkg>umount is probably "device is busy errors"? try fuser -km <mount point> and then umount...
20:57<Gekz>bernardo: and it cant make an image of a mounted partition because files can be in use or modified
20:57<Gekz>so you'd get nice happy semi-screwed files.
20:57<Gekz>tell your users to shut up for 3 hours like a real sysadmin :)
20:57<bernardo>Gekz: but how can I unmount a partiton that is in use??
20:58<Gekz>"Sorry kids, you'll have to wait for your pr0n."
20:58<Gekz>bernardo: force umount it? reboot the system?
20:58<One\Coffeee>Gekz, but if rebooted, how can he use partimage ?
20:58<bernardo>Gekz: I dont know...are You asking me??
20:58<dpkg>methinks umount is "device is busy errors"? try fuser -km <mount point> and then umount...
20:58<Tarcas>One\Coffeee: mount it read-only on reboot.
20:58<Gekz>try fuser -km mountpoint like it says
20:58<bernardo>One\Coffeee: that the whole point.... :)
20:59<One\Coffeee>well, rm -Rf /*
20:59<One\Coffeee>and that's it
20:59<Tarcas>lol. Didn't need that root anyway.
20:59<One\Coffeee>delete all of those files :>
21:00<Tarcas>Saw that command on a piece of paper in the Unix lab once... commented ReadMail. Don't remember what it said the rf meant.
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21:01<One\Coffeee>neo_, I don't know, I never used it :)
21:02<One\Coffeee>but you can try ;)
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21:02<neo_>No Way!
21:03<One\Coffeee>that's what I say ;)
21:03<neo_>Mama raised a fool, but I surpassed the idiot title by far! :)
21:03<bernardo>Tarcas: I did that fuser -km and the system crash.....
21:04<Gekz>now all you have to do is reboot and mount readonly xD
21:04<Gekz>sudo mount / -o remount,ro
21:04<bernardo>Gekz: yeah, but how can I mount readonly?
21:04<Gekz>I just told you
21:04<Gekz>sudo mount / -o remount,ro
21:04<Gekz>change / to the mount point of your choice
21:05<Gekz>that is in fstab
21:05<bernardo>Gekz: sorry man....I'm kinda new here.....
21:05<Tarcas>n/p bernardo. We were all there once.
21:06<neo_>Some of us have been there more than once
21:06<One\Coffeee>like who? :)
21:06<Gekz>that's not something you want to admit neo_
21:06<neo_>I fell off the NIX wagon a while back
21:06<neo_>I just got back on
21:06<Gekz>one bracket is quite enough One\Coffeee -_-!
21:06<bernardo>can someone tell me the actual command?
21:06<Gekz>bernardo: I did.
21:06<bernardo>I typed that....
21:06<bernardo>and it says mount is busy
21:07<neo_>Lol Gekz why is that?
21:07<One\Coffeee>that's unfortunate..
21:07<Gekz>sudo mount / -fo remount,ro
21:07<Gekz>force it's ass.
21:07<Gekz>neo_: why is what, too much going on for me to keep up :D
21:07<Tarcas>asses don't like being forced. They prefer to be led. Go visit a farm sometime. :-P
21:08<One\Coffeee>well, you can edit fstab to do ro by default
21:08<One\Coffeee>then go back in single mode and change it
21:08<bernardo>Gekz: it seems it worked....
21:08<bernardo>let me try now...
21:08<neo_>Gekz, Something I want to admit to
21:08<Gekz>Tarcas: I live in Australia. It's all farms as far as the eye can see :P
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21:09<Gekz>neo_: because you're in #debian, and everyone knows that a debian user can't show any weakness
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21:09<Gekz>elitist ftw
21:09<One\Coffeee>Gekz, I'm dreaming of that kind of life ;)
21:09<neo_>Oh Im not weak
21:09<One\Coffeee>it's calm..
21:09<neo_>Just the proc fan is turning a little slow right now
21:09<Tarcas>um... if you edit fstab... Well, I guess you can umount and then manually enter the entire command to remount it, before you change your fstab again. Remember, fstab will be on the ro device. Fun chicken-and-egg problem there if you don't think it through.
21:09<Gekz>One\Coffeee: it's causing depression and suicide rates to sky rocket.
21:09<neo_>Im getting the dust blown out as we speak
21:10<Gekz>the drought has not been good on the mental state of the farmers.
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21:10<bernardo>Gekz: it's not keeps saying that the hda1 partition is mounted and it can't perform the action
21:10<Gekz>then umount the partition
21:10<Gekz>it obviously refuses to rip a partition that is even mounted readonly
21:10<Gekz>let me ask, is this partition the root partition?
21:11<One\Coffeee>Gekz, it is
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21:11<One\Coffeee>he said a long time ago ;)
21:11<Gekz>well I missed it >_>
21:11<bernardo>Gekz: its my ONLY partition....
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21:11<Gekz>bernardo: you need to boot into another Linux
21:11<Gekz>a livecd perhaps
21:11<Gekz>you can't umount your root partition
21:11<One\Coffeee>and do what?
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21:11<One\Coffeee>he wants to do a partition image
21:11<bernardo>Gekz: thats what I suspected.... :)
21:12<Tarcas>um... Got your install disk handy? (anyone know if partimage is included with the installer?)
21:12<One\Coffeee>bernardo, how many gigs is your root partition ?
21:12<Gekz>bernardo: when you are making the image, dont mount the partition
21:12<Gekz>partimage /dev/sda1
21:12<Gekz>or whatever the command is
21:12<Gekz>you want to point at the device, not the mountp oint
21:12<bernardo>One\Coffeee: its about 4gigs
21:12<Tarcas>Question: If one's / is unmounted to make an image, where does one store said image?
21:12<One\Coffeee>and where do you planing to write the image ?
21:13<Tarcas>Chicken and the Egg, part Deux!
21:13<Gekz>Foreign language alert amber.
21:13<One\Coffeee>writing 4gig image to 700mb cdrom
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21:13<bernardo>yeah, and how u plan to run the software in the first place, because it is in the root partition right?
21:13<One\Coffeee>that would be nice
21:14<One\Coffeee>bernardo, yep, true.
21:14<bernardo>One\Coffeee: I'm to write to a DVD
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21:14<Gekz>bernardo: there's many ways. like statically compiling partimage and putting it on a usb stick
21:14<Gekz>then running it from a livecd
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21:14<bernardo>Gekz: oh....thats too much trouble.... :)
21:15<Gekz>hmm, can wodim burn from stdin?
21:15<Gekz>that would be so cool
21:15<Gekz>dd if=/dev/sda1 | wodim -v dev=/dev/dvd -
21:16<bernardo>Gekz: does that works?
21:16<Gekz>I don't know
21:16<Gekz>I just don't know.
21:16<Gekz>I've never had to do anything as weird or annoying as backup a partition with limited space
21:17<bernardo>Gekz:'s annoying....
21:17<Gekz>I have two large hard disks, so I rip one partition with dd to an image file, then i compress it with gzip, then place it in an iso file, then burn it to a disc
21:17<Tarcas>This is what's nice about live maintenance CDs. Boot from them and forget about what's being read from. Just make sure you've got a network store handy.
21:18<One\Coffeee>Gekz, how large?
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21:18<Gekz>One\Coffeee: one is 500GB while the other is 320GB
21:18<Gekz>and I have a 70GB next to me on the table here.
21:18<bernardo>do you think that if I boot from a live CD I can make that image of the hd and store the file in the DVD directly?
21:19<One\Coffeee>Gekz, I have 1x1tb
21:19<Gekz>One\Coffeee: I'm not rich though.
21:19<One\Coffeee>me too
21:19<Gekz>also, I only buy Seagate xDd
21:19<One\Coffeee>but well, 500$ for 1tb ...
21:19<Gekz>and I waste the money I save on random things like digital tv.
21:19<Gekz>One\Coffeee: it's $170 for 500GB
21:19<Gekz>$170 * 2 = <$500
21:19<One\Coffeee>in USA maybe ...
21:20<One\Coffeee>not in bg ;)
21:20<Gekz>in Australia.
21:20<Gekz>Britain the Great?
21:20<bernardo>I bought a 500GB western digital for US$100
21:20<One\Coffeee>bulgaria the great ;)
21:20<Gekz>bernardo: I could have too, but WD suck.
21:20<Gekz>my seagate has a 32MB cache.
21:20<Gekz>WD = 16MB.
21:20<One\Coffeee>32 sounds great
21:21<Gekz>I don't know if it makes any difference
21:21<Gekz>I've never pushed it :P
21:21<Gekz>my CPU lets me down though
21:21<bernardo>Gekz: but my WD is extern
21:21<Gekz>P4 3GHz HT.
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21:21<Gekz>bernardo: then you fail +1 :)
21:21<One\Coffeee>mine's the same
21:21<Gekz>One\Coffeee: dell?
21:21<Gekz>then it's not crap.
21:21<FeSteIro> add-mE
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21:21<One\Coffeee>what was that ..
21:22<Gekz>a manwhore.
21:22<bernardo>he is offering his services.....write down his email
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21:22<Gekz>I'm not gay >_>
21:22*One\Coffeee running mail-bomb..
21:23<bernardo>Gekz: do you study computer science?
21:23<Gekz>not yet.
21:23<Gekz>but I plan to.
21:23<bernardo>Gekz: how old are you?
21:23<Gekz>we'll leave that out of this :P
21:24<One\Coffeee>he's too young
21:24<Gekz>because, ageism :P
21:24<bernardo>how young?
21:24<Gekz>senior high school young.
21:24<One\Coffeee>how should I know?!
21:25<bernardo>Gekz: and how old is that??
21:25<bernardo>I'm 22
21:25<One\Coffeee>I knew it !
21:26<Gekz>I've pretty much just changed from Arch Linux to Debian in the past 2 months
21:26<bernardo>One\Coffeee: and what about you?
21:26<Gekz>3 years of Linux... wait, 4 now
21:26<bernardo>One\Coffeee: oh...and do you study?
21:26<One\Coffeee>I work
21:26<Gekz>I work and study :P
21:27<bernardo>One\Coffeee: already finished college?
21:27<One\Coffeee>bernardo, nope
21:27<Gekz>bernardo: not every country has college
21:27<Gekz>education systems vary widely from country to country
21:27<bernardo>Gekz: oh, so in bulgaria u don't have college??
21:27<Gekz>in Egypt you can be in college at the age of 15.
21:27<Tarcas>wow... I started using it when I was about coffeee's age, maybe a little younger. Probably 5 or 6 years ago.
21:27<Gekz>I'm not in Bulgaria xD
21:28<Gekz>I'm in Australia
21:28<Gekz>and we don't have college, no
21:28<bernardo>Gekz: you can be in college at any age anywhere....
21:28<Gekz>once you finish senior high school at 17 or 18, you can go straight to university
21:28<One\Coffeee>if you're smart enough
21:28<Gekz>bernardo: not in Egypt.
21:29<Gekz>that's my point.
21:29<Gekz>and what college is in the US might not be what College is in Tajikistan
21:29<bernardo>Gekz: but what do you understand by "college"?
21:29<Gekz>I don't understand college. I don't need to.
21:29*Tarcas throws a Calculus book at Gekz
21:29<bernardo>Gekz: ok, but for me college is the same as university
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21:30*Gekz throws an assembly book at Tarcas
21:30*Gekz throws pages of the halting problem at Tarcas
21:30*Gekz throws an atlas
21:30*One\Coffeee throws Gekz at Tarcas
21:30<bernardo>Tarcas: and what about you?
21:31<One\Coffeee>bernardo, and what about you?
21:31<Tarcas>27, BA in Computer Science, MA in Information Science and Technology, been at my current job (server support, mostly Windows) for 2 years now.
21:31<Tarcas>er.. BS and MS. My bad.
21:32<Gekz>I plan to be a freelance programmer.
21:32<bernardo>I'm 22, Bachelor in Computer Science and finishing my Master Degree also in Computer Science
21:32<Gekz>my CompSci degree is going to cost me $60,000
21:32<Tarcas>Gekz... do that on the side. Get a steady job until your sideline can support you fully. You'll need the corporate experience anyway if you're wanting corporate clients.
21:33<Gekz>Tarcas: I already have a few job offers...
21:33<Tarcas>...and pick up a copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad by Kiyosaki
21:33<Gekz>no thanks xD
21:33<bernardo>Gekz: wow....60 thousand?? Why dont u go to a public university?
21:34<Gekz>bernardo: because they suck ass.
21:34<Gekz>I want an education, not a bit of paper that says I have one.
21:34<bernardo>Gekz: really? is it that bad?
21:34<Gekz>the buildings all smell of nicotene.
21:35<bernardo>I go to a public university
21:35<bernardo>and it is very good
21:35<Gekz>btw, that uni I want to go to, UNSW, it costs more if you're out of the country
21:35<One\Coffeee>bernardo, in US maybe
21:35<Gekz>google compsci unsw
21:35<Gekz>look at the course.
21:36<bernardo>Gekz: i will, where is this uni? Australia?
21:36<Gekz>someone offered to board me in the US if I wanted to go to university there.
21:36<Gekz>bernardo: yes.
21:36<Gekz>University of New South Wales.
21:36<bernardo>Gekz: and why didnt you?
21:36<Gekz>bernardo: it's just as expensive.
21:37<Gekz>kinda defeats the purpose
21:37<bernardo>Gekz: can't you get a scholarship or something?
21:37<Gekz>you'd think so, I probably could
21:37<Gekz>but I'd rather stay here.
21:37<One\Coffeee>home sweet home ;)
21:38<Gekz>and unsw only offers scholarships to the freakishly smart, the natives and women
21:38<bernardo>Gekz: aren't you from Australia?
21:38<bernardo>Gekz: but did born there?
21:38<Gekz>by natives I meant aboriginals.
21:39<One\Coffeee>naah.. I'm going for a beer !!
21:40<One\Coffeee>5 hours - 5 beers
21:40<bernardo>i'm planning to go to US for my Ph.d
21:40<One\Coffeee>24 hours = 32 beers
21:40<Gekz>bernardo: where are you now?
21:40<Gekz>One\Coffeee: 48 hours = 64 beers?
21:40<One\Coffeee>48h = 128 beers !
21:40<bernardo>I'm originally from Italy, but I live in Brazil now
21:41<Gekz>72 hours = unconscious?
21:41<Gekz>74 hours = dead?
21:41*tiCo_ slaps One\Coffeee... Alcohol is a bad thing :P
21:41<Gekz>bernardo: I see.
21:41<One\Coffeee>I didnt ever try to drink beer for 74 hours
21:41<Gekz>'drugs are baaaad'
21:41<One\Coffeee>drugz SUX
21:41<Gekz>damn you south park
21:41<One\Coffeee>so, brb ! :>
21:41<Gekz>One\Coffeee: how can you drink beer unconscious
21:41<One\Coffeee>I dont know,... I forgot to read the manual :)
21:41<tiCo_>luk could acknowledge that alcohol is bad
21:42<tiCo_>last weekend there was a BSP here and I was so horribly drunk that I didn't fix any bug the next day :(
21:42<tiCo_>because I went to the local pub here with luk and $girlfrien
21:42<snogglethorpe>"You can only drink 30 or 40 glasses of beer a day, no matter how rich you are." --Adolphus Busch
21:43<tiCo_>Gekz: You repeat yourself :)
21:43<Gekz>prostitution is legal in Australia *changes subject*
21:44<bernardo>Gekz: so as in Netherlands
21:44<Gekz>well, it's not as bad here lol
21:44<Tarcas>if you don't stop loling you're gonna DIE loling.
21:45<Gekz>what's wrong with dying laughing?
21:46<One\Coffeee>well, I'm drinking beers all day long
21:46<One\Coffeee>it's not so bad
21:46<Tarcas>Gekz: Never seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
21:46<neo_>Well I guess you been LOLing at yourself all day then havent you
21:46<neo_>ROFL Tarcas. Jessica was the badest looking Cartoon Chick ever drawn!
21:46<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
21:46<Tarcas>speaking of beers... BBS
21:47<One\Coffeee>dpkg, rulz
21:47<Tarcas>dpkg misspelled AO Luser
21:47*neo_ is no damn AOL user that is for sure
21:47<bernardo>what's the problem of being an AOL user??
21:48<dpkg>somebody said aol was America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet.
21:48<amphi>!aolify bernardo
21:48*dpkg whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in bernardo's ear
21:48<One\Coffeee>bernardo, first, you have to be in A, in order to be OL
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21:48<bernardo>One\Coffeee: u mean in america?
21:49<bernardo>One\Coffeee: I am
21:49<One\Coffeee>you are, I'm not
21:49<neo_>Got you there
21:49<One\Coffeee>I'm using Spectrum NET jsc.
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21:49<bernardo>One\Coffeee: where are you then? Bulgaria?
21:50<bernardo>One\Coffeee: is it nice?
21:50<One\Coffeee>yep, it is
21:50<neo_>WHOA! Lucky guess or a h4xor?
21:50<One\Coffeee>I've been h4x0r1zed
21:50<One\Coffeee>@firewall on!
21:50<bernardo>One\Coffeee: is it near Italy??
21:50<One\Coffeee>bernardo, not near.. ;)
21:50<One\Coffeee>but close enough
21:50<bernardo>One\Coffeee: heheh
21:51<neo_>Close enough to smell the pretty wom... never mind
21:51<bernardo>One\Coffeee: Because i was born there
21:51<One\Coffeee>neo_, italy and pretty womans???
21:51<neo_>/format brain
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21:51<One\Coffeee>go to bulgaria and you'll see beautiful womans
21:51<RIVE>Hello, good night to all.
21:51<neo_>One\Coffeee, you obviously havent seen the ones I have
21:51<One\Coffeee>neo_, you too ;)
21:51<neo_>I dont know about in Italy itself, but the Full Italian women in American... well....
21:52<bernardo>One\Coffeee: go to bratslava to see pretty woman
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21:52<neo_>A bunch of brats there playing in Lava. Why would someone wanna go there?
21:52<One\Coffeee>bernardo, slavyan countries ;)
21:52<neo_>hah, I made a funny
21:52<snogglethorpe>neo_: well if they're brats, I'd certainly like to see them playing in lava...
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21:53<neo_>ROFL me and you both!
21:53-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
21:53<neo_>But to travel to see it? Nah
21:53<Tarcas>Brats are the Wurst. mmm....
21:53<neo_>Just record and upload to YouTube would be cool
21:54<One\Coffeee>and I certainly like to see 3 beautiful womans in my bed
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21:54<snogglethorpe>A new youtube series: "Will they melt?"
21:54<neo_>One\Coffeee, it is a wonderful site let me tell you
21:54<Gekz>wtf is DRI
21:55<One\Coffeee>direct rendering
21:55<Gekz>I see.
21:55<Gekz>I guess that should be enabled in my xorg.conf >_>
21:55<Gekz>or I'll be missing out on something massive
21:55<neo_>Drink Responsibly Idiot?
21:55<Gekz>One\Coffeee: isn't it Section "DRI"
21:55<One\Coffeee>Gekz, it is
21:55<Gekz>option "DRI" "0666"
21:56<Gekz>wow. My mind amazes me at times >_>
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21:56<bernardo>well....i got to go guys
21:56<Tarcas>I expect a lot of things amaze you, gekz. :-P
21:56<bernardo>see you later
21:57<Gekz>bernardo: bye
21:57<Gekz>Tarcas: wow a talking peanut!
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21:57<One\Coffeee>bernardo, bye
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22:01<eldowan>I'm looking to rename quite a large number of files and directories. I'm assuming the aptly named 'rename' utility would do what I want, however I don't want to learn the vastness that is pearlxpr to efficiently use it. My question is this: Is there an easy way that I can craft the argument of rename, or a suggested utility that will do multiple simple character replacements for files AND directories? Basicly I'm looking to rename these files for transfer to
22:01<eldowan>a windows host using NTFS and the ? and : and other symbols arent available to me on those systems. Thanks for any help.
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22:01<One\Coffeee>eldowan, let me see..
22:02<eldowan>One\Coffeee: Looking at the man page for rename, it doesn't seem that rename by itself does recursive naming. Would using it in conjunction with find to get directories to rename first, and then renaming files be a way to go?
22:02<One\Coffeee>there should be some bash script in google
22:02<One\Coffeee>you can try
22:03<One\Coffeee>yesterday I was googling for a way to change a string in multiple .php files, and I did find a way
22:03<Gekz>I no longer like loading xorg
22:03<Gekz>... I've grown too attached to my console
22:04<Tarcas>surely there's a way to sanitize filenames.
22:04<eldowan>One\Coffeee: I probably would have used php for that. Just what I know.
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22:05<eldowan>Tarcas: hmm. I wouldn't have even thought of the term sanitize. Thanks. :D
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22:05<One\Coffeee>eldowan, you cant use php for that
22:05<One\Coffeee>you can use bash or perl
22:05<amphi>One\Coffeee: sed
22:05<One\Coffeee>use google, search for: bash rename multiple files
22:05<One\Coffeee>amphi, yep
22:06<One\Coffeee>a bash script using sed
22:06<One\Coffeee>echo -n "Enter the wanted string: "
22:06<One\Coffeee>read str1
22:06<One\Coffeee>echo -n "Enter the replacement string: "
22:06<One\Coffeee>read str2
22:06<One\Coffeee>echo -n "Files: "
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22:06<One\Coffeee>`perl -p -i -e 's#$str1#$str2#g' $ext`
22:06<One\Coffeee>sorry bout that ;)
22:07<One\Coffeee>I forgot that debhelper is so evil ;)
22:07<eldowan>One\Coffeee: hmm. sounds interesting. Would the above also work for directories?
22:08<One\Coffeee>eldowan, that's what I use for replace a string inside multiple .php files for example
22:08<One\Coffeee>wrote it by myself
22:08<eldowan>One\Coffeee: aah.
22:08<One\Coffeee>eldowan, you want to rename files, not change something inside of them
22:08<One\Coffeee>do a little googling
22:08<One\Coffeee>and you will find what you need
22:09<eldowan>One\Coffeee: on it.
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22:30<eldowan>whats the easiest way to make a temporary fs in ram?
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22:34<dserban_>can one mount a tar.gz file?
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22:35<rapiddemon>Hey guys
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22:36<RIVE>Hi rapiddemon.
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22:36<rapiddemon>I didn't actually end up working on my other project, I'm currently too tired at the moment
22:36<rapiddemon>Hi RichiH
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22:36<rapiddemon>How's it going?
22:37<One\Coffeee>slowly ;)
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22:37<rapiddemon>I am going to write that kernel source management script now
22:37<Gekz>hmm... I'm out of black jelly beans
22:38<Gekz>I lose.
22:38<Gekz>time to move onto the 2kg of licorice
22:38<One\Coffeee>I'm out of beer ...
22:38<One\Coffeee>the only thing to fear, is running out of beer
22:38<RIVE>Very fine friday, berrs, cigarrs and IRC, what mora i can ask for?
22:38<One\Coffeee>womans ! :)
22:38<One\Coffeee>a lot of them
22:39<One\Coffeee>RIVE, here's saturday ;)
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22:40<One\Coffeee>nah, I'm so tired, I miss letters ;)
22:40<RIVE>Mmmm, sorry One\Coffeee, here in México still friday :-), my last day of vacations :-(
22:40<Tarcas>Very Friday here in Missouri. Still got hours left to go.
22:41<Gekz>It's sunday here
22:41<Gekz>keep up kids.
22:41<One\Coffeee>ahah ;)
22:41<Tarcas>lol, Gekz, where are you? Mars?
22:41<Gekz>... Mars doesnt run on our calendar.
22:41<Gekz>that would just be stupid
22:41<One\Coffeee>ahahah :>
22:42<Tarcas>Okay, it's Sunday... during the year 13.
22:43<Tarcas>Okay, 1313 would be more like mars. (I think it's slower than that, but I don't know.) 13 is more like Pluto... which may STILL be running a little fast.
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22:43<Tarcas>how many earth years to a pluto year?
22:44<One\Coffeee>ask nasa
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22:45<Tarcas>any idea why it would take 8 seconds to ftp to my server? Similar in both inetd and standalone mode. Server software is proftpd, client in this case is XP Pro's built-in ftp commandline client.
22:45<eldowan>One\Coffeee: It turns out that krename and the list of ntfs illegal characters did 90% of what I wanted to do. Thanks for the help, but I think this worked for my issue.
22:45<Gekz>damn it
22:46<Gekz>how do I enable /dev/fb0
22:46<Nemoder>Tarcas: maybe reverse dns lookups
22:46<Tarcas>Nemodder, that would explain why ftping to [username]@jester lands me on eptitude. Any idea how to stop that?
22:46<One\Coffeee>Gekz, I'm wondering for about 5 years how to enable /dev/beer ...
22:46<Tarcas>Hosts file maybe?
22:47<Nemoder>that would probably work, although i think you can configure proftpd not to do that in the config somewhere
22:47<Gekz>One\Coffeee: unfunny >_>
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22:47<One\Coffeee>Gekz, and, I'm trying to edit /etc/bitch.conf for about 8 months ...
22:48<One\Coffeee>but it seems its read only :>
22:48<Tarcas>cd /bar
22:48<Tarcas>touch beer
22:48<Tarcas>cat "mmm">beer
22:48<Tarcas>more beer
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22:49<One\Coffeee>who |grep -i blonde |talk ...
22:49<Tarcas>mkdir /bar
22:49<Tarcas>touch beer
22:49<Tarcas>more beer
22:50<Tarcas>er... missed the cd /bar before touching beer.
22:50<One\Coffeee>get *.beer
22:51<Tarcas>man woman
22:51<Tarcas>No manual entry for woman
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22:53<eldowan>Tarcas: so I guess its auto entry then?
22:53<eldowan>no questions asked?
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22:53<Tarcas>manual: adj; relating to the hand
22:54<Mendo>What are the default synaptic repositorys?
22:55<One\Coffeee>it's a virus!
22:55<One\Coffeee>it writes itself in /dev/woman and reads /etc/bitch.conf
22:55<One\Coffeee>both files are read only
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22:56<One\Coffeee>Mendo, don't know, I dont use synaptic
22:56<kcynice>why my debian tole me it could not find autoscan command?
22:57<One\Coffeee>neo_, how'r the kids?
22:57<rapiddemon>Hey does anyone here do bash scripting?
22:57<One\Coffeee>here's a channel named bash
22:57<Mendo>its the same repositorys for apt-get also i think
22:57<One\Coffeee>Mendo, possible
22:58<One\Coffeee>I prefer using apt
22:58<Tarcas>Mendo, if it's the apt repositories, it's places like and
22:58<Tarcas>But the installer asks your home country and presents a list of options that may apply.
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22:59<family>help please
22:59<family> javaws jKaiUI.jnlp
22:59<family>Java Web Start splash screen process exiting .....
22:59<family>Splash: sysCreateListenerSocket failed: No such file or directory
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22:59<One\Coffeee>what the ...
22:59<neo_>They are in the bed
23:00<Mendo>I just installed and after loging in to install software like ssh 2 or the repositorys that were defaulted installed failed to be contacted but after i removed them most of the software is univailible for install (sorry for the half bad spelling ^.^)
23:00<neo_>I have 5 of them
23:00<One\Coffeee>neo_, well, add them again
23:00<One\Coffeee>or add the nearest mirrors
23:00<Tarcas>Mendo: What country?
23:01<One\Coffeee>neo_, sorry, my bad ;)
23:02<neo_>ROFL you started to say something and then answered a question in the same sentence and it looked wierd
23:02<One\Coffeee>I do that sometimes
23:02<One\Coffeee>it's 06:02 after all...
23:03<Tarcas>6:02? Austrailia? Or Japan?
23:03<One\Coffeee>bulgaria ;)
23:03<neo_>Its cool
23:03<neo_>One\Coffeee, you got a myspace?
23:03<One\Coffeee>I should tell: Secret Nuclear Bunker, somewhere in russia
23:03<One\Coffeee>neo_, nooe
23:03<neo_>Yea One\Coffeee , you just now finding that out?
23:04*One\Coffeee pushes the big red button ...
23:05*neo_ hopes the Star Wars Effect Nixon put up in space works
23:05<One\Coffeee>and neo_ has quit irc: (dangerous levels of nuclear radiation detected! shutting down to prevent more damage)
23:05<One\Coffeee>ahahah :>
23:06*neo_ has no idea.
23:06<One\Coffeee>me too
23:06<neo_>I just installed XChat for a minute
23:06<neo_>Well turned out to be longer than a minute
23:06<neo_>But you know
23:06<One\Coffeee>it works now ;)
23:06<One\Coffeee>10:03 ;)
23:08<neo_>Hey I told Tarcas , I might as well tell you
23:08<Tarcas>Gute Nacht Alles. Ich gehe ins bett.
23:08<neo_>So you can get a little giggle too
23:08<neo_> has been blocked from access to Webmin on my box
23:08<One\Coffeee>Tarcas, english... please
23:08<neo_>You call me a bad name?
23:08<Tarcas>Good night, all. I'm going to bed.
23:09<neo_>Thanks for the help man
23:09<One\Coffeee>Tarcas, I know,.. I used to learn german back ind school :>
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23:14<rapiddemon>ok i finished the fetchkernel script
23:14<rapiddemon>it gets the latest kernel from kernel .org
23:14<rapiddemon>downloads it
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23:14<rapiddemon>and untars it
23:15<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, but how it "know" witch is the last?
23:15<rapiddemon>in /usr/src...then it updates the symlink and copies the old config file over
23:15<rapiddemon>I had it parse the website
23:15<rapiddemon>i actually found a script that does some of this, and I modified that to make it do the rest of what I want
23:16<One\Coffeee>well, how it looks ?
23:16<One\Coffeee>paste it somewhere
23:16<One\Coffeee>but not here, cuz debhelper is EVIL
23:16<GhostlyDeath>debhelper killed my dog
23:17<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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23:25<rapiddemon>Neo_ lol is how i laugh in real life
23:30<neo_>You IRL AOLoser
23:30<neo_>Just Kidding
23:30<neo_>I know someone else that does that too
23:31<One\Coffeee>and I know someone that laughs like a pig
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23:33<neo_>My mom does that
23:34<neo_>If she gets overly amused
23:34<rapiddemon>neo_, lol
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23:35<neo_>And when I sneeze, I say really loud, BULLSHIT right in the middle of sneezing
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23:36<neo_>And I dont do it on purpose... One time we were in a meeting at work and the VP was talking and I sneezed 2 times really hard. The harder the sneeze the louder it is... Well he looked at me and said, 'What?" (not in a mad way) and I said, 'Nothing, Sorry Im allergic'
23:36<neo_>150 people started laughing and the meeting never did comense
23:39<One\Coffeee>I'm going to smoke ...
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23:40<neo_>Im smoking now
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23:44<RIVE>Off topic... Maybe I broke some rules abuot the channel but have to tell it. I left Ubuntu because a bug -mayor one for me- but don't for ubuntu , joust found another person that think ubuntu bug management is bad, ayway i tought to move to Debian before that, and i'm very happy.
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23:47<rapiddemon>I'm actually on ubuntu right now
23:48<neo_>Debian is a awesome OS... I love it
23:48<neo_>I tried Mandriva, Ubuntu and FreeBSD and I didnt like either of those
23:48<neo_>Debian is my choice
23:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 322] by debhelper
23:49<RIVE>For me the path was, Mandrake/Mandriva, Ubuntu enda finally Debian.
23:49<rapiddemon>For me it was gentoo for 5-6 years and now ubuntu
23:50<rapiddemon>only because the gentoo comunity is falling apart and as a whole gentoo is poorly managed
23:50<One\Coffeee>for me - slack, freebsd, netbsd, fedora, ubuntu, debian
23:50<One\Coffeee>and, debian it is !:>
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23:51<RIVE> that's the bug to make install Debian in my machines.
23:51<rapiddemon>well, im off to bed
23:51<One\Coffeee>rapiddemon, good for you:>
23:52<RIVE>Take care rapiddemon.
23:52<One\Coffeee>I will be in about.. 17 hours
23:53<RIVE>And here is the other opinion for Ubuntu bug managment.
23:53<rapiddemon>One\Coffeee, 17 hours?
23:53<rapiddemon>that's less than 8 hours of sleep!
23:53<RIVE>Too much work and not fun is no good.
23:54<rapiddemon>I concur
23:54<rapiddemon>anyway, thanks for the bashrc file One\Coffeee
23:54<rapiddemon>goodnight guys
23:54<One\Coffeee>well, work finishes in about 3 hours
23:54<One\Coffeee>and the fun begins
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23:55<gerzel>What motherboard manufacturers would you recommend?
23:55<RIVE>ASUS or Gigabite.
23:55<One\Coffeee>I have gigabyte at home ..
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23:56<One\Coffeee> sux
23:56<RIVE>Ok Asus.
23:56<One\Coffeee>asus = mercedess ;)
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23:57<RIVE>Have one ASUS mobo and one gygabite -mi wife computer- and for my experience ASUS is better.
23:57<gerzel>Also wanna go with AMD, what are the best processors out, or should I wait a couple months for a new line?
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23:57<One\Coffeee>gerald, go for intel..
23:57<RIVE>gerzel, go for a amd2 socket mobo.
23:58<RIVE>If you choose AMD.
23:59<One\Coffeee>then go for eXtreme cooling from termaltake
23:59<One\Coffeee>watercooled case ;)
23:59<gerzel>is water cooling quiet?
23:59<neo_>AMD is better
23:59<One\Coffeee>gerald, in my opinion - yes, it is
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