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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-19

---Logopened Sat Jan 19 00:00:04 2008
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00:00<One\Coffeee>but it's a bit expensive
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00:00<One\Coffeee>naaah, I'm sleeping..
00:00<One\Coffeee>2 hours to go..
00:01<gerzel>Ideally I'd like to move my current box out by the cable modem as a server/firewall. Toss in another eithernet adapter. boom
00:02<neo_>Something just dont settle right with me, water inside of a computer that has electricity running all through it
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00:03<One\Coffeee>neo_, I'm fine with that
00:03<One\Coffeee>I can build water cooler by myself, but I cant find the materials I need
00:04<gerzel>One: You have internet access, do you have enough money for shipping?
00:04<Gekz>what's debian's stance on bsd licenced software?
00:04<One\Coffeee>gerzel, the "ready" water coolers have no preformance
00:04<One\Coffeee>the one I can build has almost 100% preformance
00:04<One\Coffeee>97 to be exact
00:05<One\Coffeee>If I've done the math right
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00:06<blarson>Gekz: depends on the licence. 2-part or 3-part is dfsg free iirc. 4-part (old) isn't.
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00:07<RIVE>I always separete water from electricity, for me is just a bad combination.
00:07<blarson>the problem was the "must credit regents of california"
00:07<Gekz>blarson: so the new BSD licences are acceptable in debian main?
00:07<blarson>Gekz: yes
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00:08<One\Coffeee>RIVE, well, there are too many unknowns
00:08<One\Coffeee>but, if you do everything right...
00:09<blarson>Gekz: lots of bsd software in debian.
00:10<RIVE>One\Coffeee, if something could fail, will fail in the least moment.
00:10<RIVE>Sorry for my bad english.
00:10<One\Coffeee>mine is bad too ;)
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00:13<RIVE>Is better than mine, i undertand what your typing.
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00:14<One\Coffeee>RIVE, do you learn english?
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00:17<RIVE>Joust what i learned in high school and in TV.
00:18<One\Coffeee>well, I may be offline for a while
00:18<One\Coffeee>the admin just came up and told me that we're upgrading the main router ..
00:18<One\Coffeee>so ...
00:18<One\Coffeee>if I go offline without saying "goodbye" ..
00:18<neo_>Just say GoodBye now
00:19<RIVE>So, go to sleep a deserved it.
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00:19<One\Coffeee>nope, I'll say: I'll be BACK!
00:19<RIVE>Jajja, ok.
00:19*neo_ will laugh if those upgrades also include blocking ports for IRC
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00:19<One\Coffeee>neo_, nope, just hardware
00:19<RIVE>Jajajajaja, neo_ that wlii be cruel.
00:20<RIVE>Sorry, wold be cruel.
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00:20<neo_>O I see
00:20<neo_>Yes it would be Rive
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00:23<RIVE>At least you understand what i'm tipyng, feels good.
00:24<neo_>The most inportant part of reading is that the first and last letters are in the right place. It doesnt matter where the letters in the middle are, you can still read it
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00:25<RIVE>My mother didn't trow his money her money -just a little- paying for mi education.
00:25<neo_>taht is waht is so ferankig cool abuot it. I can tpye all lkie tihs and suftf and you can siltl raed it
00:25<RIVE>Well, at least she tried :-)
00:25<One\Coffeee>neo_, good typing :>
00:26<neo_>But you can read it ant you
00:26<RIVE>Yes, i read it,
00:26<One\Coffeee>well, if I start typing in bulgarian, you wont understand a letter ;)
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00:26<neo_>No i wouldnt
00:26<neo_>because I cant rread bulgarian
00:26<RIVE>Neathir woul I.
00:27<One\Coffeee>neo_, I'm not sure .. ;)
00:27<One\Coffeee>debhelper, will hate me for a lifetime
00:27<Jamp>goog night
00:27<One\Coffeee>good morning
00:27<neo_>Why is that? is debhelper a AI?
00:27<RIVE>Neathir woul I.
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00:28<RIVE>One\Coffeee, Bulgarian is a latin derivate?
00:28<One\Coffeee>nope, cyrilic
00:28<One\Coffeee>but we type in latin all the time
00:28<Jamp>in Venezuela is the night
00:28<RIVE>Ups, ypur right, I couldn't read it.
00:29<One\Coffeee>neo_, so, can you read cyrilic ? ;)
00:29<One\Coffeee>????? ?????
00:29<One\Coffeee>good night
00:29<One\Coffeee>neo_, I bet you cant read this :>
00:29<RIVE>Buenas noches venezolano.
00:30<One\Coffeee>that I understand ;)
00:30<neo_>I bet I cant either
00:30<neo_>What does it say?
00:31<One\Coffeee>neo_, what :>
00:31<One\Coffeee>I mean witch
00:31<One\Coffeee>blaah, I'm sleeping ;)
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00:32<One\Coffeee>RIVE, noches = night = nosht am I right? :)
00:32<RIVE>Yes One\Coffeee.
00:33*neo_ is now officially lost
00:33<One\Coffeee>neo_, exit the matrix
00:33<RIVE>Take the red pill.
00:33<neo_>I love it here
00:33<One\Coffeee>Cable unplugged ! :>
00:33<One\Coffeee>connection reset by beer
00:34<neo_>My whole network is taken of characters of The Matrix
00:34<neo_>The PC Names that is
00:34<RIVE>That's very good, connection reset by beer, let me put it in Tome Boy.
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00:35<RIVE>Joust two beers left, will sleep early.
00:35<Jamp>RIVE buenas noches
00:35<RIVE>Buenas noches Jamp.
00:36<One\Coffeee>RIVE, how about: to beer, or not to beer - that's the question
00:37<RIVE>For me is always to beer, thats no question One\Coffeee!
00:37<One\Coffeee>24/7 online beer support
00:38<neo_>Thats sade you have to ask that question
00:38<One\Coffeee>I'm not asking that question :>
00:38<RIVE>O yes, i only wich the price of Corona beer was the same in all the world.
00:38<One\Coffeee>cuz I already know the naswer
00:39<One\Coffeee>well, I prefer Staropramen, or Stella Artois
00:40<RIVE>Need to taste those One\Coffeee, i hope someday go to Europe.
00:40<One\Coffeee>if you're lucky, you can test bulgarian beer too ;)
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00:41<RIVE>I hope so, someday will stay at least a night un bulgaria.
00:42<One\Coffeee>well, I hope to stay at least a day in Costa Rica ;)
00:42<One\Coffeee>someday :>
00:42<RIVE>The color of your flag are the same than ours.
00:42<RIVE>Green, white and red.
00:42<One\Coffeee>white green red :>
00:43<RIVE>Ok, not the same posicion, but are the same colours.
00:44<RIVE>In 1994 your soccer team kick the mexican team of the Soccer coup in penalties.
00:44<One\Coffeee>1hr16min to go
00:44<One\Coffeee>RIVE, yep, we did that
00:45<neo_>Aight, Night everyone
00:45<RIVE>We always lost the importants matchs in penalties.
00:45<One\Coffeee>neo_, go go go
00:45<RIVE>Neo, take care.
00:45<One\Coffeee>shutdown -r now
00:46*One\Coffeee smoking ...
00:46<RIVE>Me too, MArlboro One\Coffeee?
00:52<RIVE>I'm to much, don't know the right form of typing... americanised?
00:52<RIVE>Even if USA is no AMERICA, but well, can live with thata.
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01:00<RIVE>So, have to leave, need to rest.
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01:00<RIVE>One\Coffeee, has been a plesure talk with you, hope see you around here often, have to go.
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01:24<NeonLevel>if a debian server passes no traffic for a while, it loses internet conectivity, but still works in the lan, then i ssh to it from the lan, i do ping and then it regains internet conectivity., anyone will know why this happening
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01:36<blarson>NeonLevel: Sounds like it could be a problem with your router.
01:36<blarson>arp cache timeout and not re-arping possibly.
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01:43<Staz>Hi, if I want debian sid, should I download testing and then just enable the unstable repos?
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01:44<Staz>never mind :)
01:44<kop>Staz: That would be my guess. But, if you want debian sid then you should probably already know the answer to questions like that or else you shouldn't be running debian sid.
01:45<kop>NeonLevel: Or possibly you've a duplicate IP address on your LAN.
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01:57<imperia>i installed scummvm 0.11.0 but now dist-upgrade tried to fix my dependancies. anybody know how can I keep mixed system (with 3rd party packages) without aptitude trying to correct them?
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02:06<blarson>!tell imperia about pinning
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02:21<istoc>Hi, could someone help me set up a linux router? I've followed this tutorial to the letter (I think) but I still get a ip lease from the router. (My iptables script: Thanks.
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02:24<HennaX>istoc: start with minimal restrictions, then slowly add security measures
02:25<istoc>So set the default for forward to accept?
02:25<HennaX>and dont use gentoo tutorials, they are specific
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02:25<istoc>Well, I made sure we shared the dhcp server package
02:28<HennaX>istoc: 1. setup the internet connection on the router, 2. setup the routing for the other hosts, 3. setup dhcp, 4. setup security measures
02:28<HennaX>keep complexity low, makes it easier to find the problem
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02:29<istoc>I thought steps 2 and 3 were one step? Doesn't the dhcp server take care of step 2?
02:33<istoc>Do I have to change anything in the interfaces file or is it all done with iptables?
02:34<HennaX>on the client you setup the router as gateway and nameserver, given that you setup a dns cache
02:34<HennaX>on the router you setup forwarding and network address translation
02:37<istoc>It doesn't look like the LAN interface is being brought up on boot, even with auto eth1. What should be bringing up the interface?
02:37<HennaX>check with "lspci" if the driver is installed and the card recognized
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02:38<HennaX>then you can manually bring it up with "ifconfig"
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02:40<istoc>I could but doesn't that tell me something about what isn't working if it isn't brought up automatically by auto eth1 or by the iptables script?
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02:40<HennaX>istoc: you try to do too many things at once. first of all, you have to make sure your ethernet device is up and working before you care about anything else
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02:42<HennaX>istoc: and i am guiding a person here who uses Debian, right?
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02:43<istoc>Yes heh
02:43<HennaX>ok :)
02:43<istoc>My friend who uses gentoo said he used that tutorial to set himself up
02:43<LEECHY9>hey does any1 here know of a good personal chat client that i can useP
02:44<istoc>The tutorial I found for debian with a simple google search didnt help much
02:44<valdyn>LEECHY9: what is a "personal chat client" ?
02:44<HennaX>istoc: on a meta level you do similar things on gentoo and debian. but the details differ quite much
02:44<HennaX>istoc: hang on
02:44<LEECHY9>its a client that u set up in your network so that u dont have to rout everything through an external server
02:44<valdyn>gentoo uses /etc/network/interfaces ?
02:45<LEECHY9>u can message eachother through it
02:45<istoc>It wasn't referenced in the tutorial
02:45<valdyn>!confuse LEECHY9
02:45<dpkg>No, those was our gerbil today, LEECHY9? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste
02:45<istoc>pfft dpkg needs to learn grammar
02:45<istoc>those were*
02:46<valdyn>LEECHY9: i know very well what irc is and what a "chat client" is, you're still confusing me
02:46<LEECHY9>a personal chat client that i can set my router to be a server
02:46<LEECHY9>so i can talk to my friend without having to be routed through tons of servers
02:47<valdyn>LEECHY9: do you mean irc? or what?
02:47<LEECHY9>it doesnt matter, i just need a messenger that can do it
02:47<LEECHY9>theres several different codecs it can run on i just need to find a good client
02:47<HennaX>istoc: grab the "debian installation guide" and the "debian reference" via apt-get. they will poke around in /usr/share/doc then. these should provide the information you need
02:47<valdyn>LEECHY9: wtf, now you come up with 'codecs'
02:48<valdyn>LEECHY9: you are mixing up so many things
02:48<LEECHY9>lol no
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02:48<LEECHY9>if u knew what i was talking about u would understand
02:48<valdyn>LEECHY9: 'man talk' <- thats a simple chat client
02:48<LEECHY9>thats probably what i need
02:48<LEECHY9>ill look it up
02:49<LEECHY9>hey, can u gimme the link to the site
02:49<istoc>HennaX: Ill try digging around the forums, google results have been pretty bad, no dhcp support, tutorials using woody and kernals from 1995
02:49<LEECHY9>cause when i search it up it has like 400 other things it could b
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02:49<valdyn>LEECHY9: no, i doubt talk has its own website, read the manpage
02:51<valdyn>LEECHY9: why would you care that its "routed thru tons of servers" ?
02:51<LEECHY9>cause im going to have only 1 person getting on that chat and talking with me
02:52<HennaX>istoc: the debian wiki is waiting for volunteers :-p
02:52<LEECHY9>and i really dont like having to set up a whole irc that can be accessed by any1
02:52<valdyn>LEECHY9: thre's a ton of instant messengers
02:52<freddy>anyone familiar with debian versioning? I need some help with a version number on my package?
02:52<LEECHY9>i dont like that
02:52<valdyn>freddy: ask the real question, then you will see if anyone can help you
02:53<freddy>hey gang, trying to package a new version of html tidy. The old version is 20051018 and I want the new version have cvs20080116 in it. But lintian thinks its older. how should I format it?
02:53<LEECHY9>i want a straight through connection to my friend
02:53<freddy>do i need to use an epoch?
02:53<freddy>I notice a few other people have been doing things like 0.cvs20080116 etc. but it still thinks its older
02:53<valdyn>freddy: 0. is < 20
02:54<valdyn>freddy: epoch sounds like the right thing
02:54<valdyn>freddy: or why dont you append cvs instead of using it as a prefix
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02:57<LEECHY9>hey is there any1 that wants to try daemon talk with me?
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02:58<freddy>valdyn: yep moving cvs is the go, thanks
03:00<dli>LEECHY9, I wonder whether you need something like openVPN
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03:00<LEECHY9>well talk would work
03:00<LEECHY9>i just need to test it out and see how it works
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03:04<Timi>SZiszatok. ez magyar irc csatorna?
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03:05<Timi>Hi, This Hungarian IRC channel?
03:06<Hunger>are you a girl?
03:06<Hunger>wanna speak hungarian in private? ;)
03:08<Timi>Not,I now Hungarian IRC I am looking for a channel.
03:08<dpkg>well, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
03:08<istoc>Ohh, snap :)
03:08<Hunger>maybe on a wrong IRC Network
03:09<Hunger>try freenode or IRCNet
03:09<Hunger>there is hungarian IRC debian channels
03:09<dpkg>hmm... en is english
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03:21<guillaume>how can I grab movie from dv camcoder under testing ?
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03:23<blarson>guillaume: I think some just show up as firewire or usb disks.
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03:26<guillaume>blarson: mine use dv tapes, I heard about an app called dvgrab but as firewire driver changed under 2.6.22-3 kernel, I don't know if it can work
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03:29<valdyn>mplayer / mencoder can do it too, i suppose
03:30<valdyn>guillaume: are you trying to grab the video data directly off the dvice or just the video files it creates?
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04:02<KaiSVK>hi all
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04:06<ServerSide>err, big problem
04:06<ServerSide>When I'm not on my pc(idle'ing), my connection begins to be very slow and my irc-client begins to reconnect to irc servers because of the ping. But after that part, all the internet is slowing down, and i finally can't get any web page. I already tryed many things, restarting network-manger, modprobe -r ipw3945 & modprobe ipw3945 (that's my wlan(wifi) driver), but when i do that, my console crashs. The only way to get internet again is rebooting
04:06<ServerSide>computer(lame :/), and I sometimes have to push down on the OFF button because halt have problems with shutdowning network interface... Any help will be appreciated ;)
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04:10<midget>ServerSide: I have a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG using ipw3945 mod and have no probs at all.
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04:15<guillaume>valdyn: direct grab
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04:40<kurumin>em portugue
04:40<kurumin>aguem fala portugues?
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04:41<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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04:53<kurumin>[07:47] <kurumin> estou com um problema
04:53<kurumin>[07:51] <kurumin> o kafeine na hora de reproduzir o dvd ele fica dando pausas
04:53<kurumin>[07:51] <kurumin> algue pode me dar uma dika pra melhorar o probleme?
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04:55<Supaplex>kurumin: Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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04:58<kurumin_>[07:47] <kurumin> estou com um problema
04:58<kurumin_>[07:51] <kurumin> o kafeine na hora de reproduzir o dvd ele fica dando pausas
04:58<kurumin_>[07:51] <kurumin> algue pode me dar uma dika pra melhorar o probleme?
04:59<Supaplex>kurumin_: Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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05:33<hemoglobin>Hello, I can t install nvidia-glx on my debian sid. I searched on net some reasons why. I am not alone with this bug, but I don t know how to fix it !!! please help me
05:33<hemoglobin> Závisí na: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable
05:34<hemoglobin>zavisi na: = depend on in english
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05:36<devil>hemoglobin: basicaly 169.07 works fine, dont know how to install in sid, we have a script to install it and works fine
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05:36<kurumin_>[07:47] <kurumin> estou com um problema
05:36<kurumin_>[07:51] <kurumin> o kafeine na hora de reproduzir o dvd ele fica dando pausas
05:36<kurumin_>[07:51] <kurumin> algue pode me dar uma dika pra melhorar o probleme?
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05:37<hemoglobin>devil: check link what I send. i am not aloine
05:37<devil>kurumin_: /j #debian-br
05:37<blarson>!tell devil about nvidia
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05:38<hemoglobin>!tell Hemoglobin about nvidia
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05:40<devil>blarson: thxx, we do a sid based distro and we have it all scripted and working fine, other than with 2.6.24, where it needs a symlink
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05:40<hemoglobin>devil: you have sid ?
05:41<devil>hemoglobin: not pure sid, a sid based distro
05:41<hemoglobin>devil: and you have not problems with 3d-aceleration
05:41<devil>hemoglobin: never
05:41<Supaplex>yet another debian based distro? *yawn*
05:41<hemoglobin>devil: can you give me name of that sid based distro, please ?
05:41<devil>Supaplex: a sid based one, not many around
05:42<devil>hemoglobin: i'm afraid people wont likre me here if i do ;)
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05:43<hemoglobin>devil:sidux ? :-D
05:44<devil>hemoglobin: good guess
05:44<blarson>devil: since your problems are cause by the differences from debian, we can't help you. sid doesn't have 2.6.24
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05:44<devil>blarson: i do not have problems, and if i wouls, i wont bring them here ;)
05:44<devil>blarson: we have 2.6.24 as experimental kernel
05:45<hemoglobin>devil: I saw in which channels are you connected :-D
05:45<devil>hemoglobin: clever you are ;)
05:46<ServerSide>!tell ServerSide about nvidia
05:46<hemoglobin>:-D , thx
05:46<hemoglobin>!tell hemoglobin about women
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05:46<blarson>ServerSide: just /msg dpkg to get the info privatly
05:47<hemoglobin>!tell hemoglobin about women mind
05:47<devil>blarson: i hope you guys dont mind me hanging in here, i'm not here for advertising
05:48<Supaplex>devil: deal. we'll charge double for that.
05:48<Donno>does anybody know a good C/C++ channel?
05:48<hemoglobin>!tell hemoglobin about nvidia
05:48<Supaplex>!tell hemoglobin about selftell
05:49<ServerSide>Donno: ##c++ & ##c
05:49<Donno>ServerSide: thanks
05:49<ServerSide>on freenode btw ;D
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05:56<kurumin_> estou com um problema com o caffeine ele fica dando pausas na hora de assistir um DVD, alguem pode me dar uma dica para resolver o problema...obrigado
05:57<blarson>kurumin_: This is an english language channel.
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05:58<kurumin_>ok im zorry
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06:09<sheldonh>it's a crying shame that mdoc didn't take off in the linux world the way it did in the bsd world :(
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06:24<sheldonh>ah, so it's _that_ kind of saturday :)
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06:34<kurumin>to com problema com o kaffeine
06:34<kurumin>reproduz com pausa toda hora
06:35<bremner>!tell kurumin about english
06:35<kurumin>algem pode me dar uma mao
06:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:35<devil>kurumin: it is still an english channel, it has not changed in the last half hour!
06:35<dpkg>i heard jp is Japan
06:35<weasel>thanks dpkg
06:35<dpkg>no worries, weasel
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06:36<devil>kurumin: type: /j #debian-br
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06:38*bremner remarks that is not very lively
06:38<oxygene_>y need help
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06:39<bremner>oxygene_: me too. Can you be more specific?
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06:39<oxygene_>y can't print to hp color laserjet 1600
06:39<oxygene_>i have error 8
06:40<bremner>oxygene_: error 8 from what software?
06:40<bremner>oxygene_: and did you look on cups site for what error 8 is?
06:41<oxygene_>there are no information about that
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06:42<axxum>hi all
06:42<bremner>oxygene_: I have a vague memory of a list of error numbers on cups site. Anyway, maybe you can paste a log to some pastebin site?
06:42<oxygene_>can you give me the url
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06:43<bremner>oxygene_: /var/log/cups/error_log
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06:45<oxygene_>E [19/Jan/2008:12:17:56 +0100] PID 4151 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 1!
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06:46<bremner>oxygene_: must run. Try this to get more info hopefully:
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06:48<oxygene_>thank's y try that see you later
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06:49<_moro_bana_>can anyone tell me how to copy my installed packages to a fresh install
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06:54<blarson>_moro_bana_: dpkg --get-selections >file then dpkg --set-selections <file
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07:02<aleks>хуу де
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07:09<helmut>Hi. Since upgrading xorg to 7.3 (unstable, amd64, nvidia) it eats memory. xorg captured 115m (res) within the last 12h and acquired 500m (res) within two days previously. Can I do anything about that?
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07:29<Guest3656>hallo? :S
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07:33<sheldonh>helmut: my X process is 56MB resident, 211MB total (using proprietary nvidia driver) after a couple of days. looks normal?
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08:08<Onepamopa>Tarcas wahts up?
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09:23<eKKiM>Somebody here?
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09:23<eKKiM>oh ok :p
09:24*lupine_85 scratches in the dirt and pecks at grain
09:24<eKKiM>have little question
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09:24<lupine_85>which is? :)
09:24<eKKiM>i am logged in as a normall user but i want to set some files in /var/www/
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09:25<eKKiM>if i try to copy i get error cuz i don't have enough rights...
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09:25<lupine_85>use su or sudo to increase your privileges
09:25<eKKiM>yea but how do i copy it then?
09:25<lupine_85>the same way you'd copy any other file - with cp
09:26<eKKiM>?? i do sudo in terminal..
09:26<Gekz>then chown it possibleh
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09:26<eKKiM>and i can copy in Gnome interface?
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09:26<lupine_85>eKKiM: no, you use su or sudo to gain root privs in a particular session. e.g. you type it in a terminal session... it affects only that session
09:26<eKKiM>so where do i need to typ it?
09:27<lupine_85>su, then cp /my/source/file /my/destination in the terminal
09:27<eKKiM>so i can't do it with Gnome Session?
09:27<lupine_85>you can, but it's hardly recommended
09:27<eKKiM>hmm k
09:28<lupine_85>gksudo <graphical command here> will run the graphical app as rot
09:28<Gekz>not gksudo.
09:28<lupine_85>eh, they're both present herds
09:29<Gekz>you hacker
09:29<lupine_85>gksu: usr/bin/gksudo
09:29<lupine_85>gksu: usr/bin/gksu
09:29<lupine_85>so I'd say it doesn't actually matter which one you use
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09:30<eKKiM>can i do gksu and open an graphical interface as root?
09:30<Gekz>failfest for all!
09:30<lupine_85>eKKiM: you mean an entire gnome session? Very unrecommended
09:30<eKKiM>cuz when i do cp
09:30<tzafrir_home>lupine_85, use 'sux' instead of 'su' to properly forward X aux tokens.
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09:31<tzafrir_home>And then run whatever graphical command you want as root
09:31<lupine_85>I just don't use root in graphical applications. At all.
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09:31<lupine_85>much easier :)
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09:33<sheldonh>eKKiM: why're you committed to using a gnome app for this? sounds like it'd be a _whole_ lot easier to use a text-based tool like midnight commander
09:33<eKKiM>`/home/robin/Desktop/IceWeasel': Unknown file.. and i'm sure it's there :S
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09:33<lupine_85>eKKiM: is it a directory? (and don't forget it's case-sensitive)
09:33<eKKiM>no it's a file..
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09:34<lupine_85>also, tab completition is cool. start typing the name and hit <tab> to compelte it
09:34<Gekz>Iceweasel perhaps?
09:34<lupine_85>eKKiM: if you want to specify a directory, then you want to use cp -a or cp -r
09:34<eKKiM>k sec i'll try :p
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09:35<eKKiM>yup it worked =)
09:35<eKKiM>i also have other question..
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09:36<eKKiM>if i have ProFTPd installed how can i give it rights to write files to /var/www/
09:36<zulu>hi I have downloaded the debian net install iso... how do I burn it in command line?
09:36<Gekz>zulu: get cdrtools?
09:36<Gekz>wodim -v dev=/dev/cd inst.iso
09:36<Gekz>possibly as root
09:37<eKKiM>in command line??
09:37<lupine_85>eKKiM: generally, you don't. But there's a good manpage (man proftpd) that explains how to configure it
09:37<zulu>doin' that :)
09:37<eKKiM>ok ty =)
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09:39<eKKiM>How do i get enough rights to execute it now?? :p
09:40<zulu>thx guy for support, iso burned :)
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09:53<crazyb0y>hello i have a question about iptables, can i ask here?
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09:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:01<crazyb0y>weasel i need to use -m owner and -m limit both for that
10:01<weasel>don't ask me.
10:02<crazyb0y>i want every user on my system to open max 3 ports, and on opened ports to output only 3 connections per uid-owner
10:02<weasel>ask the channel.
10:02<crazyb0y>iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --sport 513:65335 -m limit -m owner --uid-owner antov --limit-burst 1 -j DROP
10:02*weasel hates fascist firewalls
10:02<crazyb0y>weasel: it's a public shell host =)
10:02*weasel hates those too
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10:02*crazyb0y too but don't have any other chances =(
10:03<crazyb0y>anyone can help me? =(
10:03<Myon>start with ulimits
10:04<crazyb0y>Myon: hehe
10:04<crazyb0y>i have ulimit
10:04<crazyb0y>i have grsec
10:04<crazyb0y>with rbac
10:04<crazyb0y>and many many limits =)))) i'm good in securing, but not good in networking
10:04<weasel>next shut down ssh and deinstall all shells
10:04<crazyb0y>so that's my problem and asking about iptables
10:04<crazyb0y>Myon: i prefer /etc/security/limits.conf instead of ulimit =)
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10:05<crazyb0y>weasel: the problem is, users connect to IRC servers, do clones, and after that a kline, gline for our hosts
10:05<crazyb0y>it's stupid
10:05<crazyb0y>that i want to limit the outgoing connections for every user on the system
10:05<weasel>yes, that's shell hosts.
10:06<crazyb0y>everyone will be ok
10:06<crazyb0y>my bosses will be happy, my work will be done, and the users will enjoy =)
10:09<Myon>I guess your evil users will still be evil, but then the others are annoyed
10:09<crazyb0y>Myon: everything is good with the security of the host
10:09<crazyb0y>but connection limits aren't =(
10:10<crazyb0y>i can limit the incoming connections, but if they run an eggdrop, users which tries to connect on the eggdrop/dcc port will be refused after this limitations from me
10:11<eKKiM>hmm need help again :p i installed gcc package true Synpatic when i do gcc in shell.. comamnd not found
10:11<weasel>eKKiM: install build-essential.
10:11<eKKiM>k ty
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10:13<crazyb0y>hmm maybe i have to try to use -m owner with conntrack
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10:17<romeo>bonjour est ce que il y a qui parle en francais merci
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10:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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10:22<brif8_>Any reason why I can see a std. CD when placed in the cd-drive, but I can't see a mini or business card cd when inserted ?
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10:32<sheldonh>brif8_: what happens when you insert a business card cd?
10:33<brif8_>nothing spins and stops The "you have inserted a blank CD .... window" does not come up nor does it mount. If I try mount -t ext2 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom it says it's write protected mounting read-only but does not mount anything mount does not show it mounted
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10:35<brif8_>even trying something like dd if=stage1 of=/dev/hdd bs=512 count=1 reports dd: opening '/dev'hdd': Read-only file system. Yet it is installed in a cd-writer
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10:37<sheldonh>brif8_: an ext2 filesystem on a cd?
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10:38<brif8_>sheldonh: what then? I'm trying to create a bootable bus card cd, what would type there ?
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10:38<sheldonh>brif8_: i'd have thought iso9660. which burning tool are you trying to use?
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10:39<dimadio> /msg dpkg etch
10:39<brif8_>cmd line: mount -t iso9660 does the same thing
10:39<brif8_>no tool in other words
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10:40<sheldonh>brif8_: mount isn't a burning tool. what tool are you trying to use to burn an iso image onto a blank cd?
10:40<sheldonh>um.... that works on normal size cds?
10:40*sheldonh is surprised
10:40<brif8_>I'm not using any application
10:41<brif8_>syslog has "isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=16"
10:41<sheldonh>afaik, you can't create cds with dd, but maybe i've been led astray
10:42<brif8_>what app would you recommend then ?
10:42<sheldonh>brif8_: so, assuming dd _is_ a sensible way to burn images onto cd, my guess is that your drive simply can't cope with the smaller discs
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10:47<brif8_>sheldonh: what burning tool would you recommend?
10:47<ServerSide>mh, i'm wondering something... I wonder if it's possible to make/burn-to-a-cd an "image" of my actual system (with all the changes, apps installed, drivers...)
10:47<sheldonh> brif8_: wodim
10:48<sheldonh>weasel: you're invisible
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10:50<weasel>sheldonh: if people can't be bothered to read then I can't help them
10:50*weasel could probably not care much less
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10:51<fxiny>ServerSide: mondo should do it . never used
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10:52<wanja>server irc://
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10:52<fxiny>what is this thing about "dd burning" ?
10:52<fxiny>never heard dd can burn
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10:59<sheldonh>i love fsvs
11:00<neo_>G'Morning Everyone
11:00<sheldonh>hey, someone in the office told me lenny's being released in august. which would suggest some kind of release schedule. where might he have found this out, if it's not complete bollocks?
11:02<brif8_>duuh turn the cd upside down, (but both sides look identical)
11:04<sheldonh>brif8_: usually, the side with the most clear plastic on it is the bottom
11:04<weasel>sheldonh: I'm not aware of any hard schedule other than WIR
11:05<weasel>sheldonh: that being said, the target is probably somewhere around the end of the year
11:06<sheldonh>weasel: which mailing list would i get the same rought sense of it that you seem to have?
11:06<Tarcas>When the chart hits 0, they're ready to release.
11:06<weasel>sheldonh: d-d-a
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11:07<neo_>brif8_, if you loook at the CD in the center hole.. .there is writing around the edge of it... If you can read it and the wording isnt backwards, that is the top of the CD,
11:08<neo_>Morning Tarcas
11:08<brif8_>neo_: I would agree but in my case it's has to be reverse to be right side down ::???
11:08<sheldonh>weasel: cool, looks nice and low-volume
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11:10<neo_>brif8_, look at it this way. If you put the CD in and it doesnt work, flip it over and it will. :) 50/50 chance that you will be right the first time.
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11:11<sheldonh>neo_: perhaps you can put the "dd works for burning isos to cd" idea to bed for us?
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11:16<ServerSide>mh, lol
11:16<ServerSide>[17:15:56] <ServerSide> !doh
11:16<ServerSide>[17:15:57] <dpkg> doh is probably what homer simpson says when sid crashes
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11:17<Alcap>can anyone tell me how to uninstall a program I've installed from source or through a .run script?
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11:18<Alcap>how am I supposed to know where the hell did the program installed all files?
11:18<Gathond>hope the command included a file
11:18<fxiny> /usr/local
11:18<Christmas>if it does not have an uninstall script remove it with rm -r
11:19<amphi>Alcap: make -n install | less will show you what it did
11:19<Alcap>just a sec then
11:19<Christmas>not sure about that amphi
11:19<Christmas>he said a .run script
11:20<Alcap>yes, it was a .run file
11:20<Alcap>but it didn't leave any uninstall script
11:20<Christmas>is it a game?
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11:20<Alcap>it's virtualbox, btw
11:20<Christmas>just remove it from /usr/local/bin
11:20<Christmas>and probably /usr/local/share?
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11:20<Alcap>I have to delete every single file from virtualbox
11:20<Alcap>I keep getting a weird error
11:21<Alcap>I've tried to reinstall
11:21<Alcap>I've tried to delete the config files
11:21<Alcap>nothing works
11:21<Alcap>and I need the VM:S
11:21<Christmas>you should have installed it from the repos
11:21<Alcap>no repos have virtualbox:P
11:21<Alcap>at least I know none:(
11:22<Christmas>in lenny i have virtualbox-ose
11:22<Christmas>try apt-cache search virtualbox
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11:22<Alcap>it's there
11:22<Alcap>never thought about it xD
11:22<Alcap>well, anyway
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11:23<Alcap>I'm going to do locate VirtualBox and then rm -r on all files
11:23<Christmas>that seems ok
11:24<Alcap>there's a virtualbox file in opt
11:24<Christmas>for the source you can do 'make uninstall' as root btw
11:24<Alcap>can't remember whats kept in opt
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11:25<Christmas>from the directory in which you compiled it
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11:29<Alcap>damn it
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11:29<Alcap>I'm still unable to boot
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11:32<xerophyte>i have my custom kernel and i have around 4G ran but when i compile the kernel kernel only reports 3.4G how can i tell the kernel to see the rest of the RAM
11:33<benneben>does anyone know how you configure a daemon to run at bootup?
11:34<sepski>benneben, depends on the daemon, but usualy there is a init.d script. and ocasionally a /etc/default/$name with some variables
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11:38<devil>xerophyte: by using a 64 bit install, 32 bit only sees 3.4 G
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11:40<mohammad>Hi, does anyone know whether swt3.3 (source package is eclipse 3.3) will be packaged for debian in near future?
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12:29<posix>In Lenny's KDE, when I try to change my background, it remains the same.. anyone know why?
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12:29<ServerSide>how can I change my EN console to FR one?
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12:32<fxiny>console keymap ?
12:33<fxiny>or locales ?
12:33<fxiny>keymap > dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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12:34<ServerSide>export LANG= ..
12:35<ServerSide>but i forgot the one for french..
12:35<fxiny> dpkg-reconfigure locales
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12:37<fxiny>yes , check /etc/environment
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12:37<ServerSide>err -_-
12:38<ServerSide>mh, thanks ;)
12:38<neo_>Ok, please explain this one... apt-get *anything_whatever* returns this... E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
12:38<neo_>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
12:39<neo_>Nothing 'should' be using it.
12:39<cahoot>neo: another instance of apt/aptitude/synaptic running?
12:39<neo_>Shouldnt be...
12:39<neo_>How do I find out.
12:39<cahoot>neo: trying as root?
12:39<neo_>Yes Im root in Term.
12:40<cahoot>neo: some leftover lockfile after an aborted session?
12:40<fxiny>pgrep aptitude
12:41<neo_>pgrep aptitude <-- nothing and no avail.
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12:41<cahoot>lsof /var/lib/dpkg ?
12:41<neo_>cahoot, nothing was aborted to my knowledge. Everything went through and then when I went back to attempt to get ssh, this accured
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12:46<neo_>alternatives cmethopt info parts status updates
12:46<neo_>available diversions lock statoverride status-old
12:46<neo_>available-old diversions-old methods statoverride-old
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12:46<neo_>cahoot, I think that is what you were asking
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12:48<cahoot>no neo - I meant lsof
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12:48<cahoot>but .. there is a lockfile
12:49<neo_>That is a bash running with that command
12:49<neo_>And 2 instances of lsof
12:49<cahoot>that's the problem then
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12:52<muhkuh>hi peolpe is there any way to run a windows game .bin file odr .cue file?
12:52<kop>fxiny: I didn't know about pgrep. Poking around, I find it wierd that watch is in the procps package.
12:52<neo_>I was about to say that cahoot
12:53<muhkuh>and else?
12:53<Christmas>what about cue?
12:53<cahoot>cedega or is it wine?
12:53<muhkuh>is ithat possible with win?
12:54<Christmas>you want to use a cue file to split some flac audio?
12:54<muhkuh>can't find any wine plugins or codecs
12:54<fxiny>kop: why ?
12:54<muhkuh>no i want to play a nice game
12:55<muhkuh>there's only an image left
12:55<lupine_85>muhkuh: convert the bin/cue to iso, mount it, and go as normal
12:56<lupine_85>(bchunk being the program that does the converting)
12:56<kop>I want the emacs manual, which means, I assume, that I need to put non-free in /etc/apt/sources. Is there some good way I can prevent myself from accidently installing other non-free packages after I do this? I don't want to have to pay particulary close attention and read the package description of everything I install.
12:56<muhkuh>ok which program should i use
12:56<fxiny>muhkuh: a quick way to know if you can run int on wine is by checking codeweavers site
12:56<lupine_85>kop: install it, remove the non-free repo
12:56<muhkuh>it is not in there
12:57<lupine_85>and vrms (virtual rms) will tell you what's installed from non-free
12:57<muhkuh>was just thinkig cause linux has bin files too
12:57<kop>fxiny : Watch seems more general-purpose than that. I suppose since procps is priority required it does not matter anyway, because it's going to be there. I guess I think it's strange that watch itself is priority required. Just my thoughts.
12:58<muhkuh>so i thought there'D may be a way cause it isnt in the list of winegames
12:58<muhkuh>guess i should surrender
12:59<muhkuh>does anyone in heere play alot?
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13:00<kop>lupine_85 : That will work for the emacs docs, which are not likely to need upgrading. Does it work in the general case? Thinking it through, what I should really do is what you suggest, but leave non-free on the line that gets security updates so that although I won't be installing anything new I'll still get security updates. (Or will that leave me open to installing all non-free stuff with security updates.... *blech*)
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13:00<muhkuh>now i'm looking for a game like CM2 (crazy machines2)
13:00<kop>lupine_85 : I think I need to look at vrms more closely.... Thanks.
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13:02<lupine_85>kop: nothing in main or contrib depends on non-free
13:03<lupine_85>so having non-free in your sources shouldn't get anything pulled in unless you specifically install it
13:03<the-me>lupine_85, wrong.
13:03<lupine_85>gah, really?
13:03<the-me>lupine_85, in contrib is dfsg free stuff, which depends on non-free stuff
13:03<lupine_85>fair enough; I stand corrected
13:04<Tuplad>how do I access windows computers on my network ?(we're connected with a router)
13:04<the-me>the packages in contrib itself are free, but they need other packages, which are not free.
13:04<kop>lupine_85 : But I'm always doing an "aptitude search" and I don't know there's anything in the output to show whether the package is free or non-free.
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13:04<kop>lupine_85 : Maybe I need to look at apt-cache too....
13:04<the-me>kop, apt-cache policy <package>
13:04<the-me>or show
13:04<lupine_85>kop: yeah, apt-cache policy/show works fine
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13:05<kop>lupine_85 : Can I do a search with apt-cache like I can with aptitude so when I'm looking for new stuff I not only search but see the repo too?
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13:06<lupine_85>you could do a wrapper, aptitude-nf, that adds the non-free repo, runs aptitude update and aptitude <whatever>, removes the non-free repo and runs aptitude update again
13:06<kop>(It's pretty funny that with the GFDL in non-free vrms will complain about it. :)
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13:06<lupine_85>but the mjirror owners might well kill you
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13:06<christian_>hello hello @ all..
13:06<lupine_85>anyway, I'm off
13:06<christian_>well I'm sorry guys but I deleted my sources.list when I had a lot of problems to install ntfs-3g... what have i to do now ?
13:07<kop>I think maybe I'll ask for an aptitude enhancement so that the search output shows the repo too.
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13:08<kop>christian_ : Not really a problem. You can make a new one, either with a text editor or with synaptic or aptitude.
13:09<christian_>yes i know kop but the problem is: I don't know the repositories ^^ I searched @ google and pasted and copied but there were nothing then faults... He showed me everytime errors, that the repository-header would be destroyed and so one...
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13:10<kop>christian_ : It's been a while since I used an interactive apt tool but I recall that dselect would come up with repositories for you. If the tools don't work for you see the list of debian mirrors at for a complete list.
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13:11<fxiny>christian_: etch ntfs-3g ?
13:12<christian_>yes :D
13:12<fxiny>last time i've seen it on bpo repo
13:12<dpkg>well, is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
13:14<christian_>i don't see what has to do with ntfs-3g fxiny
13:14<fxiny>i don't like aptitude -s install output cause is not so good (verbose) as apt-get -s install . i always keep records of updates so i have to run apt-get just to see a proper output
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13:15<fxiny>christian_: are you after an unofficial debianized ntfs-3g ? all i know is bpo offers it
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13:16<christian_>oh my god fxiny :S its too complicated.. you know when i first used ubuntu, everything has gone without any problems.. the ntfs hard drives were detected, no mount problems..^^ and now i am feeling like a newbie (for sure i am one)
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13:17<fxiny>christian_: is not difficult at all . just follow the "instructions" link on bpo site
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13:19<christian_>ok ill do it fxiny thank you a lot ^^ but can you explain me, why my terminal tells me that I don't have a public key ?!
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13:20<fxiny>christian_: read all the instructions :)
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13:20<christian_>okay fxiny :)
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13:22<muhkuh>i installed a game with wine can i start it please ^^?
13:23<avtobiff>wine executable-file.exe
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13:23<muhkuh>and where puts wine the file?
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13:24<Supaplex>muhkuh: it might be in the menu. your wine install is in ~/.wine/
13:24<Lynoure>If I have Xeon 5110 and want to have 64bit kernel, should I use amd64 or i386 install images? I've found votes for both online, and just have one cd empty
13:24<muhkuh>thx i'll have a look
13:24<kop>Lynoure : You want the amd64.
13:25<eKKiM>somebody has experience with installing eggdrop?
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13:25*Supaplex fires up the stove
13:25<Supaplex>did someone say eggdrop soup?
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13:25<muhkuh>cant't find it
13:25*fxiny calls monsieurs Maionnaise
13:25<eKKiM>i did supa..
13:25<eKKiM>can i pm you?
13:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:26<Supaplex>!tell eKKiM -about msg
13:26<Lynoure>kop: Thank you.
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13:26<Supaplex>!tell eKKiM -about search
13:26<_alex_>anybody here?
13:26<Supaplex>!+info eggdrop
13:26<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
13:26<dpkg>eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.18-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 1100 kB
13:27<_alex_>i have a grave problem
13:27<eKKiM>but Supa it's not like that..
13:27<_alex_>running debian stable
13:27<kop>!tell alex -about ask
13:27<eKKiM>i want to compile it myself..
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13:27<_alex_>hard drive is used 100%
13:27<fxiny>kop: ehy : i'm reading man watch , at "To watch the contents of a directory change, you could use" line . this reminds me of "taildir"
13:27<_alex_>but deleting any files doesn't help
13:28<Supaplex>eKKiM: so what's stopping you?
13:28<_alex_>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
13:28<_alex_> 37744152 36928316 0 100% /
13:28<_alex_>tmpfs 258436 0 258436 0% /lib/init/rw
13:28<_alex_>udev 10240 52 10188 1% /dev
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13:28<eKKiM>i installed in with Synaptic
13:28<eKKiM>and now it sais it isn't installed
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13:29<kop>fxiny : I dont see taildir anywhere. Watch is quite handy, good for any sorta wacked together script.
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13:29<Supaplex>eKKiM: make up your mind. are you using source, or debian package? you should avoid both at the same time, it'll cause issues.
13:30<eKKiM>i'm using the source and not debian package..
13:30<Supaplex>then why'd you install it wity synaptic?
13:30<eKKiM>i installed tcl with synaptic..
13:30<Supaplex>dpkg -l eggdrop
13:30<dpkg>ii eggdrop 3.7-1.1 supaplex's private gamp collection
13:30<fxiny>kop: i should have taildir sources somewhere , it was pretty handy indeed
13:30<eKKiM>we'll i need more then 1 bot..
13:31<eKKiM>need about 5 or 6 bots on 1 user..
13:31<fxiny>_alex_: heheheh bad torrent client ?
13:31<Supaplex>eKKiM: let's make sure it's not installed as a debian package first.
13:31<eKKiM>i'll check
13:31<kop>!tell _alex_ -about pastebin
13:31<ryanakca>is there a channel for the Debian Bazaar Maintainers ?
13:32<_alex_>i was recording from dv
13:32<_alex_>ran out of space
13:32<_alex_>and deleting files doesn't help
13:32<Supaplex>!tell _alex_ -about enter
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13:32<eKKiM>Supa it's not..
13:32<kop>_alex_ : Sounds like you need to stop the program that's dropping data onto your disk. (dvgrab?)
13:32<_alex_>when i delete a file, even a big one, the hard drive still shows 100% usage
13:32<Supaplex>if lsof shows the files are open, the filesystem will not free them until no open filehandles remain
13:33<_alex_>it is stopped
13:33<fxiny>yeahhh drop the plex : be our Supa :P
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13:33<eKKiM>Supa eggdrop is not running as a debian package...
13:33<_alex_>i tried rebooting
13:33<_alex_>it still doesn't work
13:34<_alex_>i can't even login - gnome displays an error
13:34<Supaplex>eKKiM: ok. run: apt-get build-dep eggdrop this will install the build dependencies for eggdrop (so you can compile it)
13:34<Supaplex>_alex_: try single user mode.
13:34<eKKiM>we'll i have the source on my Desktop..
13:34<eKKiM>or is there a difference??
13:34<Supaplex>eKKiM: so extract it and carry on.
13:35<_alex_>ok, let me do that, i will be back in a moment
13:35<kop>_alex_ : It might be worth checking the filesystem for errors, although I don't know how you'd have corrupted your fs. Boot in single user mode by putting the word "single" (sans quotes) on your kernel command line when booting. (Grub can do this, read the screen.) Then run "fsck -yf /dev/xxxx" whatever your hd is. Before doing _any_ of this, read up on "man fsck" and be sure you know what the command does.
13:35<Supaplex>the eggdrop tarball, and the "build dependencies" are not the same. eggdrop needs other libs to link aginst
13:35<_alex_>i did init 1; fsck
13:36<kop>_alex_ : You tell fsck -f?
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13:36<eKKiM>Supalex i did what you said...
13:36<fxiny>must be a dot tmp dir in your home
13:37<kop>_alex_ : Then the fsck probably saw that it wasn't needed and did nothing. -f forces it to check.
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13:37<_alex_>ok, i will try -f flag
13:37<fxiny>mv it on var
13:37<kop>_alex_ : You'll probably also want -y or -p too.
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13:37<fxiny>or send all your pr0n over here :P
13:39<_alex_>what does -p flag do?
13:39<kop>I've always been afraid of interrupting fsck, say when I forget to say -y. Instead I just sit there like a dork with my finger on the y key until it's done. Is it safe to Ctrl-C fsck or is it stupid?
13:40<kop>_alex_ : Kinda says fix without asking me. Better rftm than rely on some stranger if you really want to know.
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13:41<_alex_>fsck tells me that either -p or -y can be used
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13:42<fxiny>i do fsck.ext3 -vf /dev/xxxx on my dead (storage) partitions
13:42<_alex_>i did fsck -f -y
13:42<fxiny>or e2fsck -vf when i dream
13:43<_alex_>ok, fsck tells me that file system was not modified, reboot linux.
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13:44<kop>_alex_ : Well, that's good. Your fs is not broken.
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13:45<_alex_>i rebooted
13:45<_alex_>the same problem is still here, i have 100% usage
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13:46<kop>_alex_ : Does the block count go down when you delete something? IIRC the disk can be filled (by root only) to something like 105% capacity.
13:46<Supaplex>and deleting from single user mode had no effect? how much space should have freed up then?
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13:48<_alex_>just deleted in multiuser mode,
13:48<_alex_>let me try single user mode
13:48<Supaplex>tune2fs can change that reserve amount.
13:48<fxiny>a user can fill home up to 100% and not to be able to login anymore . bad torrent client settings can do this
13:49<kop>Yeah, and with larger disks the reserve is not 5% any more.
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13:49<Supaplex>_alex_: the only reason we suggested single user mode, is to eliminate the possibility of background apps from keeping open file handles on any large files
13:49<fxiny>but is never 100% full cause root has privilege
13:49<Supaplex>!nickometer _alex_
13:49<dpkg>'_alex_' is 14.000% lame, supaplex
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13:50<kop>_alex_ : And single user mode means there's no deamon filling the disk when you're not looking.
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13:50<fxiny>azureus did that to me once : i just delete the mess
13:50<ameyer>!nickometer dpkg
13:50<dpkg>'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, ameyer
13:50<ameyer>of course dpkg thinks that
13:51<Supaplex>@nickometer dpkg
13:51<_alex_>dvgrab | ffmpeg did that to me
13:51<fxiny>but now i use rtorrent :P
13:51<_alex_>how do i fix it?
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13:51<fxiny>login as root and delete
13:51<kop>I don't suppose there could be some giant journal log that's backlogged waiting to write stuff to disk?
13:52<_alex_>i logged in as root in single user mode and deleted a directory, however, df still says usage is 100%
13:52<fxiny>i believe he did not delete enough stuff
13:52<fxiny>try mving stuff in var
13:53<kop>Just thinking out loud. I don't really think it's the fs journal. Just wondering if it's possible.
13:53<_alex_>var is on the same file system
13:53<fxiny>so go in /var
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13:54<fxiny>i belive your app filled up var
13:54<fxiny>or a damned tmp dir somewhere
13:54<fxiny>in var
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13:54<_alex_>yes, its on the same file system as the recorded video
13:55<kop>Sounds like a job for du -sh
13:55<kop>du -sh *
13:55<_alex_>on / ?
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13:56<kop>_alex_ : Wherever you want to go digging for what's using gobs of space.
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13:56<_alex_>i think i see what is going on
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13:57<fxiny>_alex_: i am not curious but i bet kop is :)
13:57<fxiny>kop: :)
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13:58<_alex_>some file reserved lots of space but is not using it?
13:58<fxiny>sometimes happens yes
13:59<_alex_>looks like i deleted one of them and it worked
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14:00<kop>_alex_ : Aside from a file size, how do you identify the culprit?
14:00<_alex_>dvgrub | ffmpeg
14:00<_alex_>+ power cutoff
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14:55<screenn>I have troble with vlc after upgrade security xorg
14:55<screenn>vlc is not run now
14:56<devil>screenn: it was broken yesterdaythru xserver-xorg, then fixed, maybe the sec. killed the fix again
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14:57<devil>screenn: yep, same error as bewfore the fix
14:57<screenn>devil ok
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15:26<devil>brrr, getting cold in here
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15:31<Killing_Frost>Is there a way to add in one or more Lenny packages to Etch via the sources.list route? I'm trying to 'apt-get install gnome-orca' to Etch least until Lenny goes stable.
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15:31<chump_>whats a good PDF reader with a lot of functionality like search features?
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15:33<Lynoure>chump_: I like evince
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15:34<devil>chump_: my fav is kpdf
15:34<chump_>well i guess is hould try them both and then go with which one i prefer
15:34<chump_>thanks guys
15:35<devil>chump_: if you use gnome, kpdf is not such a good idea
15:36*Killing_Frost wonders how close to stable lenny is.
15:36<chump_>why is that devil?
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15:37<devil>chump_: because it will pull in other kde stull like libs
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15:39<ilia>äîáðûé âå÷åð
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15:40<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:41<chump_>all it does is take up space correct devil?
15:41<devil>chump_: sure
15:42<devil>chump_: before installing you can simulate with -s to see how much
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15:43<chump_>its 80 megs
15:44<chump_>i'm not really worried about 80 megs when i'm on some ones eles' connection if i was @ home i'd complain i only get 350 megs down a day haha
15:44<devil>chump_: well, up to you, its a lot for a pdf viewer, maybe look at evince first
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15:45<devil>chump_: i like it because of clean rendering and easysearch with strg -f
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15:45<devil>chump_:ctrl -f that is
15:45<devil>chump_: DE keyboars here ;)
15:46<DaCapn>What do you guys think is the likelihood that after a power outage one of the DVI ports on my video card broken somehow
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15:48<devil>DaCapn: i wouldnt be surprised, depends on the reason for the outage
15:48<devil>DaCapn: but i'm really no expert to explain that, just know it can happen
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15:49<DaCapn>the breaker got tripped... it's strange since I was able to gather info from the monitor using that nvidia-settings tool
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15:49<pumpkin0>DaCapn: and the TFT works on the other port ?
15:49<DaCapn>yeah, and both of the monitors are fine
15:49<Killing_Frost>My surge protector used to make my monitor's display shrink and display white lines across the bottom and/or top of the screen.
15:50<DaCapn>...and the cables like I switched monitors and cables in combinations to test them and those are fine
15:50<pumpkin0>DaCapn: are you sure the dual-head config is still active ?
15:50<leeds>can anyone tell me how to watch streams from i have geekast installed please
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15:51<DaCapn>pumpkin0 the crazy thing is... I gave up the other night and went to bed, woek back up, turned on both monitors and the dual head setting was working fine, got the login screen and all that. Then, I did ctrl+alt+f1 to look at my last command on the CLI, executed NOTHING, did ctrl+alt+f7 and the second head was down
15:52<chump_>haha whats DE stand for?
15:52<pumpkin0>DaCapn: that is a software problem, not a hardware problem.
15:52<pumpkin0>Deutschland, germany.
15:52<Killing_Frost>Or a heat build-up problem.
15:52<chump_>ahhh yes us ugly american's don't know anything outside of texas
15:53<pumpkin0>check the temperature with "nvidia-settings"
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15:54<devil>chump_: german keyboard
15:54<DaCapn>the temp was fine last time I checked it
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15:54<pumpkin0>DaCapn: chech it again. Power outage and a cold boot can kill a fan.
15:55<devil>chump_: Denmark is DK
15:55<DaCapn>the card a couple weeks old and I know that the temp and fan are working fine
15:56<pumpkin0>DaCapn: next up the line: xorg.log ?
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15:58*Killing_Frost misses the video crashes back in his commodore-64 days...colorful.
15:59<DaCapn>all I've seen in there are errors with font paths, but I have the correct font paths in there also, and I see they get set properly
16:00<DaCapn>it looks happy with my metamodes too... "virtual screen size determined to be 3360x1050"
16:00<panagos>is there a way i can set priorities for bandwidth usage by process? something like nice...
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16:03<muhkuh>do i have to install direktX to play with wine?
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16:07<muhkuh>just installed Prey but it doesnt start
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16:15<eKKiM>need help with eggdrop..
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16:16<DaCapn>!help ask
16:16<DaCapn>!info ask
16:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:17<DaCapn>if it's a problem with configuring and using the eggdrop, #egghelp on EFNet is probably a better place to look for help
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16:18<muhkuh>How can i switch .Dll's of wine?
16:18<rumpelstielz>have to go now good nite
16:18<muhkuh>good night
16:18<DaCapn>muhkuh winecfg, but wine's official channel is #winehq on freenode
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16:18<muhkuh>ok thx
16:20<muhkuh>there is no one im sorry : )
16:20<muhkuh>but i'll try for myself as goog as i can ..
16:20<DaCapn>muhkuh I said on FREENODE
16:20<muhkuh>sorry got no bliss of all that stuff
16:21<eKKiM>we'll i have problem with eggdrop.. i get this error
16:21<eKKiM> #egghelp
16:21<eKKiM>wait :p
16:21<eKKiM>configure: error: OpenSSL was not found. Please supply a pathname to OpenSSL
16:21<eKKiM>openssl is installed
16:21<eKKiM>with synaptic
16:21<eKKiM>even when i give up the path i get this error
16:22<DaCapn>muhkuh I don't know what you're trying to day.... but FreeNode is a different network. /server /join #winehq
16:23<muhkuh>i found it thx 4 ya patience ^^
16:23<eKKiM>somebody has an idea for my problem?
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16:24<HennaX>eKKiM: you need the openssl-dev package to be installed
16:24<pumpkin0>eKKiM: did you install eggdrop via debian tools or via .tar.gz ?
16:25<eKKiM>i installed cia .tar.gz
16:25<eKKiM>let me see
16:25<pumpkin0>eKKiM: remove and do "apt-get install eggdrop"
16:25<HennaX>eKKiM: the same will be required for tcl8.4-dev
16:26<eKKiM>i have a normall eggbot running
16:26<eKKiM>installing 2nd now..
16:26<DaCapn>on the same machine?
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16:26<eKKiM>i can easly run 2nd bot without ssl..
16:26<pumpkin0>eKKiM: why don't you start another one with a second config set ?
16:26<DaCapn>just go to the path where you compiled the source for the first and do: make install DEST=/new/path/for/bot
16:27<eKKiM>yea ok.. i know that but now i want 2nd bot with ssl
16:27<eKKiM>so i need to do ./configure again and it goes wrong there..
16:27<HennaX>eKKiM: ignore that. it all has nothing to do with your problem
16:27<eKKiM>1st bot i didn't include ssl patch
16:27<eKKiM>we'll but it's an ssl network so?
16:27<eKKiM>would it still work?
16:28<HennaX>eKKiM: you can connect to almost all networks without SSL when you choose the standart port to connect instead of the SSL port
16:28<eKKiM>yes i know but this one needs ssl for security reasons..
16:29<eKKiM>but eKKiM: you need the openssl-dev package to be installed <-- i can't find that package..
16:29<eKKiM>only standard ssl..
16:30<HennaX>libssl-dev maybe
16:30<eKKiM>sec will install that
16:30<axxum>ping me pls
16:30<HennaX>axxum: pong
16:31<eKKiM>trying again now...
16:31<eKKiM>works like a charm now :D
16:31<eKKiM>tyvm HennaX
16:33<HennaX>eKKiM: welcome
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16:46<acaciosc>alguem ai??
16:47<acaciosc>somemody here?
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17:06<bernardo>Hello everybody!!!
17:06<bernardo>anyone knows when monodevelop will be released in testing?
17:07<bernardo>Supaplex: funny, when?
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17:08<Supaplex>!why monodevelop is not in testing
17:08<dpkg>monodevelop is not in testing for the reasons list in
17:09<bernardo>Supaplex: ok, thanks
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17:12<bremner>what is the best jabber server (in debian) to support one user?
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17:16<Alcap>where can I find information about supported graphic cards on live CD's?
17:16<Alcap>any live CD
17:18<dpkg>hmm... debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:
17:18<muhkuh>which live cd?
17:18<Supaplex>Alcap: what ever debian supports, debian-live should to. why? checking for <hcl> before hand?
17:19<Alcap>because I'm thinking about installing linux on a laptop with this graphic card
17:19<Alcap>rage LT pro agp 2x
17:19<Alcap>ever heard of it? xD
17:20<Supaplex>i'm sure that old this is supported
17:20<Alcap>and I doubt that there's any kind of support for it
17:20<Alcap>it's really old
17:20<Alcap>but is that good?
17:20<Alcap>because it might have been forgotten
17:20<Alcap>it's an ATI
17:20<Supaplex>and so are keyboards, and we didn't suddenly lose support for those just becasue they're old
17:20<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
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17:21<Alcap>debian live CD comes with gnome?
17:21<Alcap>because the laptop cannot support it xD
17:21<Alcap>400mhz, 96mb of ram
17:22<miksuh>Alcap: there isgnome version of livecd yes
17:22<miksuh>buy new computer :)
17:23<Alcap>debian with iceWM should cover it:P
17:23<miksuh>there is livecd with xfce too
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17:24<Alcap>ok, thanks everyone;)
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17:24<^blade73^debian>ciao a tutti
17:24<miksuh>or tou can tell debian installer to install xfce instead of gnome
17:24<miksuh>oh he left
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17:24<miksuh>damn typos :)
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17:33<bernardo>how can I produce a .bin file for my software?
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17:37<dserban_>a little bash help please: i have a file containing a list of files to remove... though some have spaces and \'s and what have you... so I tried running a: for a in `cat dupelist`; do rm \"$a\"; done ... doesn't work, breaks on each space so it doesn't look like the quotes aren't doing their job..
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17:45<stroyan>dserban_: Use read from the file instead of cat. while read d ;do echo "'$d'";done < file
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17:50<gidna>When I start amule I receive this error:
17:52<devil>gidna: did you upgrade xserver-xorg these days?
17:52<gidna>If fact yestarday it sarted..
17:53<devil>gidna: on sid or etch?
17:53<gidna>I use Ubuntu 7.10, Gutsy
17:54<devil>gidna: please paste the ii line from: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core
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17:55<gidna>ii xserver-xorg-c 2: X.Org X server -- core server
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17:56<devil>gidna: hm, complete different versions in ubuntu, it seems, srz, cant help
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17:56<devil>gidna: fixed one is: ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.1~git20080118 Xorg X server - core server
17:57<gidna>What ia have to do to fix it?
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17:57<stroyan>dserban_: Changing IFS works as well. But cat is still pointless. Either IFS=$'\n'; ( for d in $(cat t);do echo "'$d'";done ) or IFS=$'\n'; ( for d in $(<t);do echo "'$d'";done ) works.
17:58<devil>gidna: problem is yesterdays fix was killed by a sec. update today
17:58<devil>gidna: dunno how ubuntu handles those
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17:59<pood181>hello world
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18:01<devil>gidna: please look at bugreport #461410
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18:07<donny_>what package contains developer man pages for standard c functions and the like?
18:07<gidna>I've added the lines but it's the same..
18:07<donny_>also system calls
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18:10<Yoyoma2>Hi all, in debian stable, i am trying to configure a samba shared printer. The printer is configured using foomatic-gui, test page, all good.
18:11<Yoyoma2>I use webmin to configure the printer, and set it to all guest access. THe webmin server is open but i do not see the machine from my vista box, let alone the printer. Any ideas?/common mistakes?
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18:20<dpkg>from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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18:21<Yoyoma2>blarson: Well is there another samba config gui?
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18:25<Franki>I have just installed the "debian-backports-keyring" package. Now I wonder how it comes that this key has exactly the same signature twice?
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18:33<gidna>no it runs but I have the minimal graphic
18:33<devil>gidna: did you restart your x session?
18:33<gidna>when I restarted this happened
18:34<devil>gidna: well, the fix works for sid...
18:34<gidna>yes but now I have another problem..
18:36<gidna>I tried to remove the patch and amule starts too
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18:38<napoleao>I am trying to install vmware, but I get this message Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3".
18:38<napoleao>anyone know how can I fix this?
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18:44<Zygo>Set CC=gcc-4.1 in the environment (installing gcc-4.1 first if necessary)
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18:50<snogglethorpe>Zygo: why does it care ?
18:50<Zygo>note this only fixes things if the kernel was actually built with the same gcc version; otherwise, the bugs will be subtle and annoying :-P
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18:51<Zygo>snogglethorpe: there are ABI changes from one GCC version to the next
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18:52<snogglethorpe>Zygo: which ABIs?
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18:52<Zygo>the way GCC lays out structures, bitfields, aligns variables, aligns the stack
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18:53<snogglethorpe>Zygo: huh?
18:53<Zygo>it's a big deal for C++...not so much for C. It might even work to mix 4.1 and 4.2 (but I wouldn't try it)
18:53<snogglethorpe>Zygo: real ABIs are not treated so lightly in gcc...
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18:54<snogglethorpe>Zygo: some stuff considered "not visible" might change (maybe stack layout details for instance)
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18:54<Zygo>that kind of thing is important in the kernel
18:54<Zygo>especially when mixing asm and C
18:55<Zygo>you could probably combine chunks of ANSI-compliant portable C from different GCC versions without batting an eye
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18:59<Zygo>also it's only the default ABI that changes from one release to can build with -fabi-version to use an ABI version from an earlier GCC version
18:59<Zygo>I don't think that's been very well tested with the kernel though
19:00<gidna>devil can you help me..
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19:01<snogglethorpe>Zygo: Can you be more specific? There are obviously a lot of extra issues when doing kernel-level programming in C, but in my experiencethe linux kernel doesn't tend to leave things to chance, it tries to control such things explicitly when they're an issue.
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19:04<snogglethorpe>Zygo: What I'm really wondering is whether there are really concrete reasons for vmware to be doing what it's doing, or if it's simply being very conservative ("just in case").
19:05<Zygo>2.95 and 3.x were known to be incompatible...VMware introduced that check soon after
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19:06<Zygo>I seem to recall the GCC major version was part of vermagic but can't find an example at the moment
19:06<snogglethorpe>Zygo: "incompatible"? I know that the C++ ABI was very different between those two.
19:07<Zygo>modules built with one GCC version and kernel with another version wouldn't work...if you were lucky, they'd crash on load, otherwise they'd crash more spectacularly
19:08<snogglethorpe>Zygo: In the case of the linux kernel, my perception is that they've slowly been moving away from implicitly depending on details of gcc's behavior towards actually specifying things explicitly.
19:08<Zygo>maybe they've done it
19:09<Zygo>I just noticed I have no kernels older than 2.6.21 installed anywhere...
19:09<snogglethorpe>Zygo: So I would tend to discount 2.95-vs-3.0 era experiences
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19:10<Zygo>vermagic: preempt 586TSC 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
19:10<Zygo>(from modinfo on an older module I found lying around)
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19:12<snogglethorpe>Zygo: hmmm current modules don't seem to have that info
19:12<Zygo>I've noticed
19:13<Zygo>cursed progress! My information is out of date :-P
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19:14<Zygo> still had it
19:14<koollman>itÅ's a kernel option
19:14<Zygo> didn't
19:16<Zygo>which one?
19:16<koollman>I think it is related to CONFIG_MODVERSIONS
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19:35<Alcap>does anyone here uses virtualbox?
19:36<ServerSide>mh, dumb question: where are ls, cd, cp sources codes?
19:37<weasel>cd is a shell built-in.
19:37<weasel>ls and cp are parts of fileutils or coreutils
19:37<snogglethorpe>ServerSide: I think you can do "apt-get source coreutils"
19:38<weasel>ask dpkg for the package to a file, as in "dpkg -S /bin/ls", then apt-get source <packagenmae>
19:38<ServerSide>snogglethorpe: thanks, but where it will be d/led?
19:39<weasel>from the mirror you give in sources.list
19:39<koollman>in the current directory
19:39<ServerSide>i mean, where on my pc
19:39<weasel>YA, RLY.
19:39<weasel>in .
19:39<ServerSide>err :P
19:40<ServerSide>Ok thanks, do you recommend me to place it on a special dir?
19:40<ServerSide>i mean... like /src or smtg
19:40<weasel>somewhere in your home directory obviously.
19:40<weasel>there whereever you want.
19:40<ServerSide>well ok
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19:42<Zygo>the apt-src package will remember where you downloaded sources, and can update them later
19:42<snogglethorpe>ServerSide: I usually cd to /tmp first, 'cause I usually don't want to keep the sources long-term
19:42<ServerSide>mh ok
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19:44<themill>!tell ServerSide about multiple ask
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19:47<xseries>how r u?
19:48<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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19:51<scimmiapazza>is there someone with compiz-fusion & ati drivers?
19:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:57<xseries>I run compiz on ati
19:58<amphi>xseries: so do I - what of it?
19:58<amphi>a 32MB radeon 7500, to be exact ;)
19:59<xseries>64mb radeon 9000
19:59<themill>maybe we should set up a support club a bit like alcoholics anonymous....
19:59*themill is obviously tired and snarky and should go to bed....
19:59<themill>night all
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20:01<amphi>hmm, compositing anonymous...
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20:04<snogglethorpe>amphi: know of any good web pages (or something) that have reasonably up-to-date info about things like "what 3d cards don't suck on debian"?
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20:05<snogglethorpe>seems like the state of things is constantly changing...
20:05<amphi>snogglethorpe: intel cards are the only modern ones with open drivers AFAIK
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20:05<snogglethorpe>amphi: i dunno, my work PC has an i910 or something, and while it's "ok" speedwise, it seems to really suck memory for some reason
20:06<snogglethorpe>amphi: dunno why exactly, it seems like a mapped framebuffer shouldn't consume all that much memory
20:06<amphi>those cards use system memory, they have no onboard video ram
20:07<amphi>up to 256MB IIRC
20:09<kop>snogglethorpe : You could always get more ram. :)
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20:11<snogglethorpe>kop: i suppose, though I can never quite keep track of what kind of memory I need to buy ... last tiem I tried to plug in new memory, it simply Didn't Work
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20:11<hsteve>anyone: how do i open with a .api ext
20:11<snogglethorpe>kop: seems like there's a short window after buying the PC where it's reasonably likely 3rd-party memory is compatible, but after a while...
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20:13<kop>snogglethorpe : I always find (and then keep) the spec sheet from the manufacturer. It will say what ram the mobo takes. When you know it's not hard to find more.
20:13<kop>snogglethorpe : google "site:" is your friend.
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20:17<IronMaiden>Alguien de Tikicia?
20:18<snogglethorpe>kop: no doubt, though my current pc is a frankenstein assembly of various parts people gave me for free...
20:18<snogglethorpe>kop: sommmmme day, I'm going to by a _real_ PC, brand new!
20:18<snogglethorpe>kop: with a GPU!
20:18<kop>snogglethorpe : Don't do it. It'll cause all sorts of headaches because the drivers won't be ready yet.
20:19<IronMaiden>Brave New World!!!
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20:23<acutedeath>hello crowded auditorium
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20:32<vook>would there be a disadvantage to creating a partition (hda2 for example) for the purpose of swap, while keeping it as type 83 rather than 82, then creating it as ext2 and placing a swap file on it? (I have my reasons)
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20:34<kop>vook: I hear swap files are nearly as fast as swap partitions these days. But then I see no reason for another partition. YMMV.
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20:36<vook>sounds good. I'd like to set up a backup partition - a whole different installation of linux on the swap partition. I'll install it, dd it somewhere else. Then use the partition as swap until it's time to backup, then I'll dd over the swap partition with the backup install.
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20:36<kop>vook: rsync sounds more efficient. YMMV.
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20:38<acutedeath>I'm installing debian for the first time, almost done
20:38*acutedeath shakes with caffeine and excitement
20:38<kop>acutedeath : What release?
20:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 329] by debhelper
20:39<acutedeath>4.0 I believe
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20:39<kop>acutedeath : That's my preference. I just want things to work.
20:39<acutedeath>I had mandriva for a few days until I realized: no emacs, no g++. wtf
20:40<vook>kop: I haven't worked much with rsync - I've been meaning to.
20:40<kop><rant>Cut and paste in etch OOo is pretty broken when it comes to moving rows or pasting a single cell into multiple cells. This seems basic spreadsheet functionality. It's discouraging that it's broken. Yes, I've submitted a bug report.</rant>
20:40<koollman>vook: it's really easy. and usually really efficient
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20:41<acutedeath>and of course I could just download that stuff for it, but I'm having networking problems with that PC
20:42<kop>acutedeath : One thing about debian, it likes having the net around to stay up to date.
20:42<acutedeath>booting, yay
20:42<vook>something to look into - after this backup. Its been 5 months :!
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20:43<kop>vook: See dirvish also, although it does not suit my need.
20:44<acutedeath>has anyone here had any luck sharing an internet connection from a windows PC to a linux box with a direct ethernet connection?
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20:46<kop>acutedeath : I've gone the other way, and run the Linux box as a router to serve a LAN. The linux box plugs into the DSL modem.
20:46<acutedeath>that sounds like the reasonable way to do it.
20:47<acutedeath>I don't want to buy another wireless card, I guess I could try switching the wireless into the linux box. But I'm a floor above the modem.
20:48<kop>acutedeath : Lots of folks think so.
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20:50<acutedeath>The debian(now) box is an old and slow experimental box, my windows box is my main one that I try to keep stable. I'm fully realizing the irony at this point
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20:50<anarko>some spanish here?
20:50<kop>tell anarko -about en
20:50<kop>tell anarko -about es
20:51<anarko>-about es
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20:51<kop>anarko : You need to go to the spanish channel to speak spanish.
20:51<anarko>where is it, i cant find it?
20:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:52<kop>anarko : You type "/join #debian-es".
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20:53<Noid>anarko: debian-es
20:58<acutedeath>ok, i can
21:02<acutedeath>ok, I have some seriously noob questions to shout
21:03<acutedeath>the debian docs say that it comes with a bunch of developement stuff like emacs, compilers etc. but I can't find them after my basic install. Are they around? Or do I need to seek them out?
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21:09<neo_>acutedeath, ^
21:11<acutedeath>so, if the packages that I want are not installed, does that suggest that I never had them in the first place? or is it possible that they are available but not installed?
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21:11<neo_>Is it a fresh install?
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21:11<neo_>So if the package isnt installed, then it didnt come or you didnt choose the option that would defaultly install the respectful package
21:12<neo_>If that be the case, you would have to go to and find the package you need
21:12<panagos>i have the impression that though smbmount adds entries to /etc/mtab, smbumount doesn't remove them (smb(u)monut run as normal user)
21:12<acutedeath>ok, thank you very much. I need to try to figure out what I have going on.
21:13<neo_>The first link I gave tells you how to find out what packages are installed already
21:13<neo_>The second link is Basics of the Debian package management system and the 3rd link is a list of all STABLE packages.
21:14<neo_>Which I believe are also supported too
21:14<acutedeath>You have been extremely helpful :)
21:15<neo_>Not bad for my first question answered LoL
21:15<acutedeath>it looks like I don't have the packages I need. But the computer in question is not networked at the moment, and I think I'll have to do some CD-transfer crap to get the files where they are going
21:16<acutedeath>The link I posted... it makes me feel betrayed that all that stuff isn't automatically included
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21:17<neo_>It is, if you choose the right options during install. Well in netinst it is anyway
21:17<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: debian is not a bloat monster OS like, e.g. redhat
21:17<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: or rather, the bloat is optional
21:17<acutedeath>which is a very good thing
21:18<neo_>I actually rather do a basic install and then get the packages I WANT rather than doing it via install
21:18<acutedeath>in general i prefer simplicity. I was really hoping to get some programming started ASAP but now I need to read FAQ chapters 7 and 8 before I get started :P
21:18<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: yo
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21:19<snogglethorpe>[I didn't really intend to say "yo"]
21:19<acutedeath>it's rare that i lol whilst chatting but that time lol fo sho'
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21:20<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
21:20<snogglethorpe>ignore dpkg
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21:21<neo_>Its a joke acutedeath
21:21<acutedeath>i typically heh, ha, huh, or hm
21:21<acutedeath>but teehee is good too
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21:21*acutedeath giggles girlishly
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21:25<acutedeath>does anyone foresee a problem with downloading a bunch of .deb packages on my windows box, copying to cd, and then attempting to install the packages on the other machine? it's the best way i can come up with at the moment. hm, need to try the flash drive too
21:26<neo_>Unless your Running Windows *
21:26<neo_>Just Kidding
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21:27<acutedeath>wow gnome picked right up on that drive, mounted and opened a window for it. helpful yet slightly irritating. helpful because i don't know how to do that manually, but annoying because windows does that shit without provocation, and it's hard to restrain it. I'm assuming gnome lets you adjust such behaviour though.
21:28<neo_>Im not sure, but believe it does...
21:30<acutedeath>in case it isn't glaringly obvious, I'm pretty new at this. I have the feeling I might be buying another wireless card soon...
21:30<kcynice>i want to learn to write makefile files.I am reading the manual pages from is a simple makefile which uses more than one unknown c files.There also are all the steps.But where is the demo files?
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21:31<Supaplex>!tell acutedeath -about apt-zip
21:32<Supaplex>I blame kcynice's noob makefile.
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21:32<neo_>The server split away
21:32<acutedeath>i know that
21:32<neo_>Its back now
21:33<Supaplex>~lart netsplits
21:33*dpkg rm -rf's netsplits
21:34<kcynice>rm -rf's netsplits
21:34<kcynice>have no action
21:34<neo_>kcynice, you might want to post your question again
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21:35<kcynice>I think question has disappeared,i need to type again
21:35<Supaplex>kcynice: what are you trying to compile?
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21:37<kcynice>I want to learn to write makefile files.So,i am reading the manual pages from is a simple makefile which uses up to 8 c files.there also are all the steps.but where i can find its demo files?
21:37<kcynice>Supaplex: I want to learn to write makefiles
21:37<dpkg>rumour has it, makefile is a file to pass rules and dependencies to make. A nice guide to writing makefiles can be found at
21:39<acutedeath>OK, so it looks like getting packages manually is completely unwieldy. I'm looking at
21:39<acutedeath>and it depends on many things
21:39<acutedeath>It also says "This is a dependency package providing the default GNU C++ compiler."
21:39<kcynice>but if there is any demo?
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21:40<Noid>acutedeath: apt-get install <package-name>
21:40<acutedeath>If I understand correctly, I need to download all of its dependencies, recursively? This will take hours
21:40<acutedeath>I don't have access to internet on my debian box
21:40<Noid>acutedeath: that will take care of everything
21:41<Noid>acutedeath: doesn't matter, as long as you have the packages available (in a cd for example)
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21:41<kcynice>what i am reading is here:'s good,but i do not know where i can download the demo files.
21:44<kcynice>i will also browse the content you given to me. I will read what i need from the guide pages of all above.thanks
21:48<acutedeath>so basically until I recursively obtain all dependencies, I'm SOL. I'd better get started
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21:51<acutedeath>I've decided that it this would be a super human task, just to get g++
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21:52<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: one thing you can do, is to use aptitude or something, tell it you want to install package xyz, then hit g (in aptitude) to see what _other_ packages it wants to install, and somehow cut/paste that list
21:53<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: then go to a network connected pc, download all those .debs, and transfer them back to the networkless machine on a usb stick or something
21:53<leaveone>anyone have advice on how to get 32bit stuff to work in a amd64 installation.. ive already got the ia32-libs installed.. that has helped some.. but i need iceweasel to play flash and java wont install correctly either
21:53<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: i dunno if there's a more automatic way, but I've done the above before
21:53<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: it depends on the package lists on the non-connected machine being up-to-date though...
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21:54<acutedeath>right now i'm just tracking through the dependencies, and running dpkg --list | grep DEPENDENCYNAME on each one, and downloading if I don't have it
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21:58<acutedeath>hmm, i need libc6.1, but there doesn't seem to be one available for i386. I hope I can get by
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22:00<blarson>acutedeath: different arches have libc6 or libc6.1
22:00<acutedeath>oh thanks
22:01<acutedeath>this is tempting me to pull my wireless card and switch it over here and now
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22:03<neo_>I would do that acutedeath, get the wireless card out
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22:04<acutedeath>If I do, then I lose my tech support here
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22:12<acutedeath>ok i'm going for it. I'm going to cannibalize my network card. wish me luck
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22:27<bernardo>anyone knows how to integrate anjuta IDE with glade?
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22:57<bernardo>what is a good console based IDE for C/C++?
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23:07<acutedeath>failure. Thing didn't pick up on either the hardware or the wireless network, nor could I tell the difference.
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23:12<acutedeath>what is this "helooo..." you speak of?
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23:16<acutedeath>Hm, so apparently the wireless adapter that I just tried to pop in my debian box is designed for windows systems.
23:17<bernardo>acutedeath: what is it?
23:18<acutedeath>netgear wg311v3
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23:18<bernardo>you can install with ndiswrapper
23:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 323] by debhelper
23:19<acutedeath>It works great in my XP box. But I can't even tell if linux recognizes it
23:19<acutedeath>i don't know what that is
23:19<dpkg>from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
23:20<bernardo>you welcome
23:20<acutedeath>i haven't had much chance to look into it yet, but it's my only lead :)
23:21<bernardo>acutedeath: it allows you to use your windows drivers in linux....
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23:22<acutedeath>so, I'm wondering a lot of things right now, but I'll save the questions and just do some reading
23:22<neo_>Ummm if I download the java bin file and then go to dir and su, type ./filename.bin I get error that I dont have permission... Any sugesstions?
23:23<bernardo>neo_ : are you root already?
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23:24<bernardo>neo_ : type chmod uo+x <filename> , and then ./<filename> , that should do
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23:24<neo_>Yes I am
23:25<bernardo>neo_: let me know if it worked
23:25<acutedeath>a bit of research has revealed that this particular network card wants, in addition to windows, a pentium3 class or better. I'm pretty sure that the chip is older; so much for that idea
23:25<neo_>Yes, Yes it did
23:25<neo_>What attribs did that set it to?
23:25<bernardo>neo_: great ;)
23:26<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: a network card requires a particular class of cpu?!?
23:26<bernardo>neo_: you just set permission for the owner and the user of the file to execute
23:26<Nemoder>perhaps it only requires a p3 BECAUSE of windows :P
23:26<Tarcas>acutedeath: Network cards and wireless cards often recommend a CPU that will run the OS well enough to be worth using. You can safely ignore that.
23:26<snogglethorpe>acutedeath: does that simply mean it sucks so much that the cpu will be doing lots of work?
23:26<bernardo>acutedeath: thats right
23:26<Tarcas>(i.e. don't install this on your old '98 box)
23:27<neo_>O ok
23:27<neo_>Whats up Tarcas
23:27<bernardo>do you guys watch UFC? :)
23:27<acutedeath>whatever it means, i'm ruling out this combination
23:28<Tarcas>what up is definitely... not the temperature, Neo
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23:28<neo_>Without doubt
23:28<alvarezp>acutedeath, sometimes the card needs the CPU to do some work instead of it, so just don't say "I can use whatever CPU".
23:28<Tarcas>acutedeath, go ahead and try the ndiswrapper thing if there's no native Linux driver for it.
23:28<neo_>Its 27 and droppinghere
23:29<Tarcas>12 here, according to my car's thermostat
23:29<neo_>dropping *
23:29<neo_>You in the car now?
23:29<Tarcas>Sure, don't you chat while driving? :-P
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23:29<bernardo>Tarcas: that is definitely not safe! ;)
23:30<snogglethorpe>bernardo: perhaps he simply lives in his car?
23:30<Tarcas>alvarezp: Yes and no... It'll be slower (duh) on an older CPU, but I don't believe there were any major upgrades between P II and P III that would make it not work.
23:30<neo_>ROFL. I wish I could... but that brings me to my next comment/question... You're a Straight Up l33t g33k arent you?
23:30<bernardo>snogglethorpe: perhaps...
23:30<Tarcas>I'm not that 'l33t. Pretty thoroughly g33k though.
23:31<acutedeath>it seems like a lot of work, I'm not sure if worth it. I might just head out tomorrow and buy a card without such strict requirements
23:31<bernardo>Tarcas: are you guys speaking greek?? ;)
23:31<acutedeath>exactly what sort of driver files can it wrap anyway?
23:31<Tarcas>acutedeath: Check what chipsets are available in the kernel, and pick a card built around one of those.
23:32<bernardo>acutedeath: every windows driver i think
23:32<Tarcas>bernardo: Geek, not Greek.
23:32<gsimmons>acutedeath: The wg311v3 contains a Marvell 88w8335 ("Libertas") chipset, for which no native driver is available. You're effectively forced to use a Windows NDIS driver via ndiswrapper for this card.
23:32<bernardo>acutedeath: buy a RALINK card, it works great and is very cheap
23:32<Tarcas>As in... "It look geek to me." to describe alphabet soup.
23:33<bernardo>Tarcas: lol
23:33<acutedeath>ok, i'll definitely check that out
23:33<alvarezp>Tarcas, sure, it might work, but the overall speed might be decreased and the card might not be able to achieve its full transmission speed.
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23:33<alvarezp>of course, *might*. I don't think this is the case for a Netgear, though.
23:33<Tarcas>True... but when does a network acchieve its full speed anyway?
23:33<neo_>bernardo, YmVybmFyZG8gV2hlbiB5b3UgZ2V0IGczM2t5IGVub3VnaCB5b3UgY2FuIGNoYXQgaW4gY29kZQ==
23:34<alvarezp>I meant that the Netgear will work :-$
23:34<Requiem>right, I give in, is Java in non free or what these days?
23:34<bernardo>neo_ : what the .... is that?
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23:34<neo_>It says, bernardo When you get g33ky enough you can chat in code
23:34<alvarezp>Tarcas, yes, when you transmit files from PC to PC you expect full tx and rx speed.
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23:34<bernardo>neo_: lol ;)
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23:35<Tarcas>I dare you to find me a pair of 802.11G cards that will be able to transmit data between each other at 54 Mbps.
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23:35<Tarcas>It can't be done.
23:35<Requiem>I dare you to fin ones that will even get 10
23:36<acutedeath>the wireless router I have running downstairs is a netgear, someone (unreliable source) once mentioned that the highest probability of compatibility comes from matching your brands when possible... but I don't listen to staples employees anyway
23:36<Tarcas>Theoretical speed != acchievable speed
23:36<bernardo>Tarcas: I agree, there is just too much signal interference
23:37<neo_>The card would have to be Directly next to the router to get even close to what they claim.
23:37<alvarezp>Tarcas, and that's why you don't want to waste still more trx speed in cpu processing.
23:37<Tarcas>acutedeath: They're right. Same-branded devices will have less troubles than mixing brands. They SHOULD all work, and most of the big names will cooperate, but sometimes you get into that off case and two devices are each just slightly out of band or something, or the timing's off just enough, or something...
23:37<neo_>And if I even find someone doing that, I may just shot em
23:38<Requiem>non free still
23:38<Requiem>what happened to java getting open sourced?
23:38<alvarezp>I mean, it should work, just don't expect the card to get its full potential.
23:38<acutedeath>all good things to consider, except maybe shot-ing people
23:38<neo_>Nothing is ever free. Look at the time you put into something free
23:38<Tarcas>Actually, Neo, you can run into MORE problems being too close. Your important factor is not only signal strength, but also SNR (Signal to noise ratio) and for some reason that goes way down when you're too close.
23:38<neo_>haha you made a funny acutedeath
23:39<Requiem>neo: I meant as in speech, not beer
23:39<neo_>I know Requiem
23:39<Requiem>too close is less than a foot though
23:39<acutedeath>so, if I drive to town tomorrow, will I be able to find ralink products around? are they fairly common? never heard of
23:39<Tarcas>Dad had a heck of a time with his laptop on the same desk as his wireless router. I told him when he's at his desk to just plug in. Same laptop works jsut fine in the other room or even outside by the pool.
23:39*Requiem snickers
23:40<Requiem>I want a liscence plate that says that
23:40<Requiem>well, bumper sticker
23:40<neo_>So it is like a cordless phone, the closer the more signal static
23:40<bernardo>Tarcas: my desktop works just fine very close to the router
23:40<Tarcas>acutedeath: Stick with Linksys if you want something good. If you're more budget-conscious you could cut back to Netgear, or even D-link.
23:41*neo_ pets his Linksys
23:41<Requiem>I found linux compatable tools for remote desktopping windows though ^^
23:41<Tarcas>Bernardo: YMMV. :-D
23:41<neo_>I wouldnt have nothing BUT a Linksys Network Product if I buy it
23:41<bernardo>acutedeath: where do u live?
23:41<Tarcas>Requiem: Been there done that. Works great.
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23:41<neo_>Requiem, VPN doesnt work?
23:41<acutedeath>OK. I just want cheap, universal compatible, fast, and otherwise flawless. is that so much to ask?
23:42<bernardo>Tarcas: what is YMMV?
23:42<acutedeath>I live in Ohio
23:42<neo_>acutedeath, You cant have all of them.
23:42<Supaplex>!wtf ymmv
23:42<dpkg>YMMV: your mileage may vary
23:42<Tarcas>Your Mikeage May Vary.
23:42<Requiem>VPN is a protocol
23:42<Requiem>do you mean VNC?
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23:43<acutedeath>yeah, I'm willing to leave out cheap and flawless if I can get the others!
23:43<acutedeath>and I meant universally compatible
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23:43<Tarcas>Can't guarantee universal, but still... go with Linksys if you want good.
23:44<acutedeath>I appreciate the advice everyone! brb
23:44<neo_>Youre right Im tired and sleepy and ...
23:44<redflag>i created a database called "database" using mysqladmin
23:44<redflag>and the mysql client won't let me drop it
23:45<Tarcas>redflag: Not that I'm a SQL expert, but you might check permissions, and verify that the DB isn't open.
23:45<bernardo>senhora vinho
23:45<redflag>Tarcas: i'm root, and it's a fresh deb install
23:46<Tarcas>redflag: Permissions within SQL, not within the OS. It's not the OS that's rejecting the query most likely. What error are you getting?
23:46<redflag>general syntax
23:46<redflag>and i'm root on the db
23:47<Tarcas>that means you typed it wrong. It doesn't understand what you're telling it.
23:47<bernardo>redflag: do you know the exact mysql syntax?
23:47<Tarcas>Syntax is the structure of a sentence (in this case a query)
23:47<Supaplex>redflag: drop database 'database'; ?
23:47<bernardo>redflag: DROP 'tablename'
23:47<redflag>bernardo: i tried creating and dropping another db and it worked
23:47<bernardo>redflag: weird.....
23:48<Supaplex>I'm sure the #mysql peoples know how to quote that correctly.
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23:48<redflag>wouldn't that be a bug in mysqladmin though? to allow creating a db that is a reserved keyword?
23:48<Supaplex>redflag: more like a bug, of not quoting it correctly.
23:49<Supaplex>if mysql allowed creating a database *it* cannot remove, then it's a mysql bug.
23:49<bernardo>redflag: i don't think so.... DATABASE is not a reserved work as far as i know....
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23:51<bernardo>redflag: that's really weird.....the database is highlighted and all...
23:51<bernardo>redflag: it looks like a reserved word.... ;)
23:51<redflag>i could shutdown mysql, and remove it by hand
23:51<redflag>so mysqladmin lets you create dbs with reserved keywords
23:52<bernardo>redflag: it appears so....but the strange is that mySQL allows it to...
23:52<twb>network-manager is totally undocumented unless I use a GUI, which I don't want to do.
23:52<bernardo>redflag: it shouldn't!
23:52<twb>What are the alternatives?
23:52<redflag>where does one file a bug?
23:52<Supaplex>file a bug already
23:52<dpkg>[reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,
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