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00:01<Davidb>gsimmons still doesnt work
00:02<Davidb>still cant find passwd
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00:06<Davidb>any ideas?
00:07<kop>Davidb: The tty message is not necessarly a problem....
00:07<kop>Davidb: Exactly what grub line are you modifying?
00:07<Davidb>it is when it says /bin/sh: cannot find file or folder passwd
00:07<kop>Davidb: Try /sbin/passwd
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00:08<Davidb>there os no sbin dir
00:08<kop>Seems to me like maybe your in the ramdisk image and have not yet booted the real kernel....
00:08<Davidb>im in busy box for some reason
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00:10<kop>So, what grub line do you modify? The one that says "kernel /vmlinuz ..."?
00:11<Davidb>kernal /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.....
00:12<Davidb>put init=/bin/sh at the end of the line
00:12<kop>Davidb: Ok. So you don't have a separate /boot partition, right?
00:12<Davidb>then enter, then b
00:12<Davidb>the /boot should be on the same partition
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00:13<kop>Davidb : You know about pastebin?
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00:13<kop>Davidb: I'm wondering what the mount command says.
00:13<Davidb>please tell me how am i supposed to paste bin when i cant access the machine except for infront of it
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00:14<Davidb>the machine cant connect to the net and i cant save n grab the dmsg as it has no connectivity
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00:15<kop>Davidb : (This is where serial consoles come in handy, but let's not go there.)
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00:16<kop>Davidb: Does mount say the expected root partition is mounted?
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00:17<kop>Davidb: You're not getting any other messages at boot that indicate, say, problems finding the root fs or the kernel or some other reason why you're still in the ramdisk image. (Whether you are in the ramdisk image or not may be indicated by the mount output.)
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00:44<Corrine>Now this is strange
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00:53<twb>Why doesn't this work in my d-i late script?
00:53<twb>echo nis nis/domain string cybersource | in-target debconf-set-selections
00:54<twb>I get "debconf-get: return: 4: Illegal number: nis"
00:54<twb> the syslog
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00:56<pawan>currently to check for security updates and to cut and paste them in one go I use: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade --dry-run | grep ecurity | grep ^Inst | cut -f2 -d" " | tr "\n" " " > ~/seclist ; [[ -s ~/seclist ]] && echo "have security updates" || echo "no security updates"
00:57<pawan>Is there something simpler around?
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00:57<pawan>mebbe with aptitude?
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00:59<pawan>oh. hang on. This is stupid. All I have to do is have the security repo in /etc/apt/sources.list and I'm done.
00:59<pawan> peej kicks himself
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01:57<anarcat>anyone familiar with HAL here?
01:57<anarcat>i wonder how the "properties" for a device are set and what's the proper way to override them
01:57<anarcat>in particular, i'd like to change that property: power_management.quirk.s3_mode = true (bool)
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02:25<seanius>sco50000: compiz/compiz-fusion works just fine in KDE afaik: compiz-kde
02:30<seanius>in testing/unstable at least
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02:44<tython>Is it possible to setup wireless AP on my laptop so that other device can connect to Internet via my laptop?
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02:45<sep>tython, depends a little bit on your hardware but likely yes.
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02:45<tython>sep, my hardware is intel ipw2200
02:46<tython>sep, Is there any software that i can install?
02:49<tython>sep, thanks
02:49<sep>usualy it's just a driver/firmware issue. there is no "software", either the chipset+firmware+driver support wireless master mode, or it does not.
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02:56<seanius>though of course you'll probably want to install certain software i.e. a dhcp server and probably a dns proxy like pdnsd
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03:21<Florian>hi folks
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04:07<dr>i dont
04:07<dr>have a firewall
04:07<dr>i think someones hacking me
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04:09<dr>i need gelp typeing im new erth
04:09<dr>ptme ome hoohleple x dat a tron
04:10<devil>hm, what language is that?
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04:11<dr>bunch of pilsner mixed with 18 bounced ssh's
04:11<dr>im safe
04:11<Florian>why do you think you're hacked ?
04:12<dr>dunno my foot somtimes unplugs my mouse
04:12<dr>u ever see that solid dude smash thru shit like paper towel
04:13<dr>its kinda like when my foot unpluggs my mouse
04:13<dr>that and i dont have keys just suction kups
04:13<Florian>i don't understand a word
04:14<Florian>do you smoke weed ?
04:14<devil>neither do i
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04:14<devil>nah, weed dont do that
04:14<Florian>maybe dr is mentally retarded
04:14<dr>mentally tartded
04:15<devil>or doing some drug i dont wanna know about
04:15<dr>im creatonized to x11 dash ding bat
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04:16<Florian>I was just looking for an opportunity to try the /ignore
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04:17<dr>sorry this i s new to me i dont have n eticit
04:17<dr>im a n00by
04:18<Florian>if only you were trying to speak clear
04:18<devil>dr: if you are not behind a router, to get a firewall, do: apt-get install firestarter and configure it to your needs
04:19<Florian>i asked you a question you did not answer
04:19<Florian>why do you think you're hacked ?
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04:19<dr>i try to speak clear i dont understabd human "jargon"
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04:20<dr>it said death ray as my login screen in ubuntu
04:21<dr>it had to be internal we had an office party
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04:22<Florian>can you give us a screenshot ?
04:22<Florian>I'd like to see that
04:22<dr>gold up
04:22<devil>death ray? heh, never heard of
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04:26<tzafrir>Hi, suddenly on my Etch desktop all sorts of programs fail to load, claiming that they can't load fonts
04:26<tzafrir>fc-list shows some fonts
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04:26<tzafrir>(147 lines of output)
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04:28<tzafrir>psi just segfaults
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04:28<Florian>tzafrir: did you update your system recently ?
04:29<tzafrir>Though this is Etch. A few extra sources, but none of them should affect this. (yeah, I know)
04:29<Florian>do you think there may be a link between your update and your issue
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04:29<tzafrir>There probably is
04:30<Nemoder>I recall an update to lenny that added a ttf font that for some reason messed up all the others
04:30<tzafrir>Either that or my file system is in bad shape. And I don't see any sign for the latter...
04:30<tzafrir>I'm trying to further debug the problem
04:31<Florian>tzafrir: what's your uptime ?
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04:31<tzafrir>just 5 days
04:31<Florian>even if it's difficult... sometimes a reboot can solve some problems
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04:31<tzafrir>I'd like to understand the problem first
04:31<Florian>yes i see
04:31<tzafrir>fontconfig is client-side. I don't see how this is related to any service
04:32<tzafrir>My desktop is icewm
04:32<Florian>I don't know anything about icewm
04:32<tzafrir>It's simple. No extra daemons as in gnome / kde
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04:33<Florian>hey hey... kde-core + kde-i18n-xx is also simple
04:33<Florian>but that's not the question here
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04:35<tzafrir>The error I get from gtk-based programs:
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04:35<tzafrir>xchat is luckily still running
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04:36<Nemoder>tzafrir: try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
04:36<Florian>just in case... irssi is working on a console...
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04:37<tzafrir>Nemoder, thanks. This helped
04:38<tzafrir>Didn't change the output of fc-list . It seems that fc-list is not the right debugging tool, and I should have just re-run fc-cache
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04:52<Baggy2>Where can I get libgl1-mesa-dev version 6.5.2? There is a bug in 6.5.1 and none of my opengl programs runs..
04:54<Florian>which debian are you using ?
04:55<Baggy2>debian etch
04:55<Florian>did you look for a bugreport on your issue ?
04:56<Florian>etch should be stable so i don't think your issue is a bug on libgl
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04:57<Baggy2>Florian: 6.5.1-0.6 is added on etch
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04:58<Baggy2>I get errors like this: axes: bufmgr_fake.c:1245: bmReleaseBuffers: Assertion `intel->locked' failed.
04:59<Baggy2>google told me this is a common output when using mesa 6.5.1
04:59<Florian>ok you can try to install the package in the experimental branch
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05:01<Baggy2>Florian: I can only find version 7.0.2, thought I should go with 6.5.2 since it might be more compatible with etch
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05:01<Baggy2>but I can't find it
05:01<Florian>did you look on lenny and sid archives ?
05:02<Baggy2>lenny has mesa 7.0.2
05:02<Baggy2>so has sid
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05:03<Florian>i'm sorry i can't help you anymore... but maybe on the libgl project page you wan find sources of the version wich you want
05:04<Baggy2>Florian: Thanks, for trying =) I think I'll just go with 7.0.2 then
05:04<blarson>Baggy2: You could look on
05:06<Baggy2>blarson: Thanks, I'll check it out
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05:19<ellobo>hi all
05:19<darsie>Hi! apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove my xorg package due to dependency problems: . Which package shall I file a bug against? xserver-xorg-core?
05:20<ellobo>how can I keep /etc/hosts file updated according to the current network configuration ?
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05:20<ellobo>is there something like resolvconf for that purpose?
05:21<devil>darsie: if you have the latest sec update of xserver-xorg, look at the existing bug reports filed yesterday
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05:22<darsie>I'll browse bug reports ...
05:23<devil>darsie: security update
05:23<darsie>I have testing. There are no sec for it, right?
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05:24<darsie>i did update and upgrade just before.
05:24<devil>darsie: dont think so, i use sid
05:25<devil>darsie: most bugs were closed last nite, but none with your specific error iirc
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05:35<mosno>there seems to be missing build logs from -- is this still where to look for build logs for stuff that say isn't propagating to testing?
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05:35<mosno>note: it may be a misunderstanding of the build system on my behalf
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05:48<MrNaz>how do you find out on the command line if a text file is utf8 or something else?
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05:49<themill>MrNaz: try file on the file... I think that says
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05:50<MrNaz>man file returns no entries
05:51<MrNaz>apt to the rescue
05:51*MrNaz hugs debian
05:52<mosno>MrNaz: which tool did the trick?
05:52<MrNaz>mosno nothing yet
05:52<MrNaz>i just apt-got file
05:52<MrNaz>file doesnt tell me the encoding, but it does tell me that the file is an XML file
05:53<MrNaz>i just tried it on an ASCII file, which it told me ( i assume it means ascii 7 bit, but its not very explicit about it0
05:53<MrNaz>xml text *may* imply utf8, but relying on implications can get you killed
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05:53<themill>MrNaz: an xml file should define its encoding
05:54<blarson>MrNaz: ascii is a subset of utf8
05:54<MrNaz>themill yeap, but it may be wrong about it too, the file may get copied by a naughty copy routine or perhaps generated by a bad generator
05:54<MrNaz>or the author may just be mistaken about what encoding the file is
05:55<MrNaz>in fact, thats exactly what i'm trying to check... if my utf8 file is, indeed utf8
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05:56<bremner>xev says I have Alt_L and Super_L, but emacs22-gtk (22.1+1-2.3) says I have two super keys. Any ideas?
05:56<bremner>MrNaz: try iconv from ut8 to utf8 and then diff
05:56<themill>MrNaz: there's also recode which uses the iconv library.
05:57*bremner doesn't quite see the point of recode; maybe history?
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06:04<bremner>oops: ignore my last question. The problem is different than described. must experiment more...
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06:08<bremner>should I report a debian bug for emacs documentation errors?
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07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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07:50<sheldonh>seanius: thanks for the m-a nvidia-kernel fix :)
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08:08<seanius>sheldonh: np, was pretty simple. really it should have been fixed in the nvidia package itself afaict, but it was the path of least resistance anyway
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08:08*seanius notices some strange behaviour with the new driver though
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08:10<larsus>Hi! Is it possible to grep inside a tar.gz file?
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08:15<hathe>larsus: zgrep
08:15<sheldonh>seanius: whatever works :)
08:16<bremner>hathe: .tar.gz?
08:16<hathe>bremner: didn't see the tar, sorry
08:16<hathe>larsus: zgrep just works for .gz
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08:18<larsus>hathe: ye, it seems that it need to be untared to be able to use zgrep, thanx
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08:21<matth>well actually zgrep -a works
08:22<matth>i.e you're grepping a tar file.
08:23<sheldonh>hmmm, this bz2 hassle with uploads is a bit of a pain in the arse
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08:34<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
08:34<padski>bah! missed!
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08:38<sheldonh>Ganneff: package uploads to incoming where .orig is a bz2 created with recent bzip2 are rejected
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08:44<rob33n>where we put the new splash screens?
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08:48<skiter>good morning. I have a problem after to upgrade the debian packages. When I open wine aplicattion, the gconfd say "received a signal 15 and promptly shut down" and X server restart
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08:53<Baggy2>Does anyone know where to download Vanilla OpenGL ES?
08:53<weasel>somebody has to know
08:53<weasel>maybe they even told google about it
08:54<Baggy2>weasel: yes, I've asked mister google.. but the company that provided it, Hybrid Graphics Ltd, no longer exists..
08:55<Baggy2>Bought by nvidia..
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09:03<hathe>if i want to build bzip2 with apt-build it starts make with flags for ia-64 but my dpkg architecture is i386, why is that?
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09:07<CaFeNet_UseR>m, ,;m;
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09:15<DTE>hi all
09:15<DTE>i'm tryin to backup all the log to another dir
09:16<Ganneff>sheldonh: no. *any* bz2 compression other than inside the .deb is rejected
09:16<DTE>i cannot use olddir because the backup dir is not on the same media
09:16<DTE>i was trying to use dateext and a simpple cp script
09:16<DTE>but it alwasy fails
09:17<sheldonh>Ganneff: but... um... that's new, right
09:17<Ganneff>sheldonh: no.
09:17<Ganneff>it never was allowed to use bz2 for tarball/diff
09:19<sheldonh>Ganneff: ah. and now a new version of dpkg-dev creates bz2 by default?
09:20<Ganneff>if it does thats a bug >=important
09:20<Ganneff>i think you have to tell it to create those files.
09:20<Ganneff>some -Z option
09:20<sheldonh>i think i see. i just pulled the wrong tarball from the vendor
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09:28<mejo>for some reason, my system doesn't print pdf files any more.
09:28<mejo>i use a brother network laserprinter with cups, and most documents print just fine.
09:29<mejo>just for pdfs, an error message is printed on the paper instead:
09:29<mc>mejo: brother uses a shell postprocessor script
09:29<larsus> thanx all! bye
09:29<mejo>mc: brscript3?
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09:29<mc>oh. thats a pro. ours just dont print at all. :>
09:30<mejo>the error that's printed is: "ERROR NAME; typecheck COMMAND; image OPERAND STACK;"
09:31<mejo>mc: where do i find that?
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09:31<mc>mejo: atleast, thats what its called here.
09:32<mejo>mc: i don't get the point. In /usr/lib/cups/filter, i don't have any file called "brlpdwrapper".
09:32<mc>mejo: oh.
09:32<mejo>mc: what is this file for, and which content does it have? is it a script?
09:32<mc>cell:/etc/cups# grep -ri brlpd *
09:32<mc>ppd/multikulti.ppd:*cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-postscript 0 brlpdwrapperMFC8840D"
09:32<mc>look at your ppd, wether *cupsFilter is defined.
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09:34<mejo># grep -ri cupsFilter /etc/cups/ppd/*
09:34<mejo>doesn't give any result, so no, it seems to be not defined.
09:34<mc>mejo: you DO use the brother ppd files?
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09:35<mejo>mc: afaik i use the ones by
09:35<mc>ah, hm.
09:36<mejo>you use the original ppds by brother?
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09:36<mejo>are they available from their webpage?
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09:37<mc>well, somethings converting pdf to ps; my bad memory tells me that foomatic is the not so innocent. this must be doing something wrong. the message refers to images embedded in the postscript
09:39<mc>the debian packages i'd consider as rather bad quality, however i hadnt had any problems til yet.
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09:39<mejo>mc: so you use the debian ppd or the brother ppd? and does your printer print pdfs?
09:40<mc>mejo: brother one, it does print. it has trouble on the latest ooo in ubuntu though - i didnt make any attempts to fix that.
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09:41<mc>mejo: i told my lusers (happily i can :} to convert the stuff to postscript and cat the raw ps to the printer
09:41<mc>luckily, rather.
09:43<mejo>all right, i'll give the 'brother cups driver
09:43<mejo>a try ...
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09:48<Guest29>someone can help with grep in a file.txt , i need to extract of htem all ip on them
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09:51<ace>i got a spare drive on my pc and wanting to install debai
09:51<ace>do i just format it then install
09:51<ace>or anything else i need to do first
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09:52<noflash>ace, there is an installation manual
09:53<themill>!tell ace about ig
09:53<themill>!tell sidux about sidux
09:56<mejo>mc: doesn't seem to have anything changed ;-(
09:57<sheldonh>i wonder whether ipw3945 will be a little more reliable than iwl3945 on sid on my laptop
09:59<themill>sheldonh: likely to be the other way around from what I've seen
09:59<sheldonh>themill: eish, that's a pity. keeps barfing on me. it's only once every couple of days, so i can wait for an update. open bugs are daunting
10:00<sheldonh>themill: but i've ripped out network-manager and gone with plain old wpasupplicant, in the hopes that i can rule out weird high-level software and submit a more useful bug
10:00<themill>sheldonh: it's not hard to try ipw3945 though. There are newer versions of iwl than that included in the debian 2.6.23 though.
10:01<themill>sheldonh: I'm not sure how much improvement they make for stability.
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10:03<sheldonh>themill: i'll see if i can figure out how to prevent iwl3945 from being loaded at boot time
10:03<themill>sheldonh: you can always just modprobe -r it. or /msg dpkg blacklist
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10:06<DTE>nobody used with success dateext with logrotate on etch?
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10:10<padski>DTE, never noticed it. is it giving you trouble ?
10:11<DTE>yes...wait i found the error
10:11<padski>waiting ... ;-)
10:12<DTE>and actually i have other problems with logrotate
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10:18<ace>im unsure what to download iso
10:18<ace>do i need all 3 dvd image plus update
10:18<bremner>!tell ace about netinstall
10:18<ace>nice :)
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10:23<padski>DTE, I don't recall having looked before ... I am impressed by the small size of logrotate. The error text is easy to find in the code. do you have a recipe to trigger the error ?
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10:26<DTE>padski: the problem is that even i put everything as before...i got some errors
10:26<DTE>i don't know if the -f function or not
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10:45<gustavoa>hola sergio
10:45<sshevtsov>como andas
10:45<gustavoa>bien loco
10:45<sshevtsov>habra hispano hablantes aca?
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10:58<Knorrie>wow icedove is really broken now
10:59<Knorrie>looks like shit :P
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11:10<mejo>for some reason, the <F10>,<F11> and <F12> keys don
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11:10<mejo>'t work anymore on my console.
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11:12<mejo>i've a german keyboard, and until the last console-setup update, the keys worked.
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11:13<g>is this the ubunto meating?
11:14<RockaBaby>why is my /root set world wide readable after i install debian ?? shouldn't my root be absolutely secret ?
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11:15<valdyn>RockaBaby: brillant idea
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11:15<valdyn>RockaBaby: that will just make your system totally useless
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11:16<valdyn>RockaBaby: oh /root, not root, i misunderstood
11:16<RockaBaby>valdyn, why that? the user should still be able to rw but not others
11:16<mejo>valdyn: RockaBaby is talking about /root, not about /, right?
11:16<valdyn>RockaBaby: root is a user like anyone else in that sense
11:16<valdyn>mejo: yea
11:17<mejo>drwxr-x--x 26 root root 4096 Jan 21 15:33 root
11:17<valdyn>RockaBaby: user files are just world readable by default, that's all
11:17<themill>RockaBaby: what do you have in /root that's secret?
11:17<mejo>valdyn: my system still works ;-)
11:17<padski>DTE, could you past /etc/logrotate/postifx
11:18<valdyn>but my /root isnt world readable
11:18<valdyn>RockaBaby: ls -ld /root
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11:19<RockaBaby>wdrwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-01-17 16:14
11:20<DTE>padski: the new one or the old one?
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: thats a user default, thats ok
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: except that your first w is probably your typo
11:20<padski>DTE, the one that didn't work (which one is that?)
11:20<RockaBaby>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-01-17 16:14
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: no home is set to protect from anyone reading by default
11:22<RockaBaby>valdyn, i didnt get what you mean in your last sentence
11:22<valdyn>RockaBaby: no users home directory, not even the root users home directory has any read protection by default
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11:23<valdyn>RockaBaby: thats ok, it has its uses, you can change it if you want
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11:23<RockaBaby>okidok... thanks ;)
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11:27<Clumsy_Root>my wine is crashing X after yesterday's update (lenny): anyone had the same problem? broken libs somewhere?
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11:28<themill>Clumsy_Root: wine wasn't updated in your update yesterday so that shouldn't be a problem...
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11:29<Clumsy_Root>yo themill. actually, i saw a small xorg update
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11:30<pumpkin0>Clumsy_Root: did you check the bts ?
11:30<themill>Clumsy_Root: ahhh... there was a fubar'd xorg update for etch the other day. Possibly also testing-security will have included a similar update.
11:30<Clumsy_Root>i see, i see
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11:30<padski>DTE, your error is surprising and I have yet to reproduce it. /var/log/mail.log-20080121 seems to have been created on line 14, but it can't find it on line 20. you didn't delete it, or run out of inodes or space ?
11:31<Clumsy_Root>pumpkin0: on the console, i see complaints about /usr/bin/X and /lib/
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11:31<Clumsy_Root>themill: how would one preceed to fix these slipups then?
11:31<themill>Clumsy_Root: can you pastebin that? /msg dpkg paste
11:31<pumpkin0>Clumsy_Root: such things usually turn up it the bts withing hours. So check that.
11:31<DTE>padski: var is about 55% full
11:31<Clumsy_Root>yeah, hold on a second; although, i don't have the full backtrace, just shell messages
11:31<DTE>nd inode should be ok
11:32<padski>DTE, could you strace it ?
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11:36<Clumsy_Root> only info i could find
11:36<Clumsy_Root>hmm, badalloc you say?
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11:37<bremner>Clumsy_Root: what version of xorg are you running now?
11:37<Clumsy_Root>checking that info
11:37<Clumsy_Root>let me check that up
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11:39<Clumsy_Root>synaptic says 2:
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11:40<Clumsy_Root>maybe i'll try forcing the previous version
11:41<Clumsy_Root>not sure this is gonna work tho', i'm always suspicious when things seem easy Oo
11:41<bremner>devil: ping?
11:41<devil>bremner: alive
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11:42<bremner>devil: did you see Clumsy_Roots xorg issues, do they look similar to what people reported a few days ago?
11:42<Clumsy_Root>bremner: still crashed on a separate session with 2:
11:42<devil>bremner: yes, the same buggy behaviour was introduced again by sec update of xserver-xors on Saturday
11:43<devil>bremner: luckily i dont get those ;)
11:43<Clumsy_Root>here's checking if there's a bugfix on the repos...
11:43<devil>Clumsy_Root: there is
11:43<devil>a few
11:43<Clumsy_Root>hmm, i'm only seeing 2: on there tho'
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11:44<Clumsy_Root>and securityt repos are enabled, too
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11:44<devil>Clumsy_Root: like [09:12:12] <BTS> Closed #461471 in xorg-server by Julien Cristau (jcristau) «Bug with latest xserver-xorg-core 2:1.1.1-21-etch2 package».
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11:44<devil>that one is closed
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11:45<padski>DTE, for comparison this is what I am seeing:
11:45<devil>i didnt bother much, sid has its own battlefields ;)
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11:45<bremner>devil: ok thanks, sorry to wake you ;-)
11:45<devil>bremner: np :)
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11:46<bremner>Clumsy_Root: hmm, one option is to install unstable version
11:46<padski>DTE, I didn't even know there was a rename() :-)
11:46<Clumsy_Root>well, this is a tight spot
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11:46<Clumsy_Root>forcing the downgrade is actually expecting me to remove all of xorg
11:47<Clumsy_Root>but i've had issues with unstable xorg in the past...
11:47<bremner>not nice. Maybe sid is closer than etch.
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11:47<Clumsy_Root>well, it's risky
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11:48<bremner>Clumsy_Root: understood. Thats all I personally got. Maybe you should file a bug report against the testing xorg?
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11:49<DTE>padski: i saw the big difference is this
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11:49<DTE>write(2, "compressing log with: /bin/gzip\n", 32compressing log with: /bin/gzip
11:49<DTE>i have no line like this one
11:49<Clumsy_Root>bremner: i'm sure someone already did that better than i could manage. guess i'll just sit still and wait for a fix, or try some other stuff
11:50<DTE>it seems that my log are not compressed
11:50<bremner>Clumsy_Root: did you try the workaround mentioned on the bug I posted (#461410)
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11:50<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i was about to
11:50<padski>DTE, your line 190 is my line 184. what I can't see is your matching rename (my line 178)
11:51<padski>DTE, what arch and version are you on ?
11:51<DTE>sorry tel
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11:52<Clumsy_Root>done patching the xorg.conf file. better restart everything... BRB :)
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11:53<padski>DTE, it is trying to compress the log at the time it emits the error.
11:53<celoserpa>folks, does anyone know of a lightweight theme or rendering engine for Gnome? Gnome currently feels kind of slow on my machine
11:54<padski>DTE, ah! try it without -d
11:54<valdyn>celoserpa: using which theme?
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11:55<celoserpa>valdyn, right now I'm using Clearlooks
11:56<valdyn>celoserpa: you can try murrine
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11:56<celoserpa>valdyn, thank you, I'll have a look
11:56<valdyn>celoserpa: though i never could see much difference in that regard
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11:57<celoserpa>valdyn, maybe I should use a more lightweight WM
11:57<celoserpa>valdyn, I was thinking about going to fluxbuntu :)
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11:57<valdyn>celoserpa: the wm is the least thing that uses up resources on a computer that isnt 10+ years old
11:57<valdyn>celoserpa: ( unless you use something like compiz )
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11:58<celoserpa>valdyn, but GTK feels kind of slow... even MS Windows GUI feels faster than GTK... maybe subjective but that is my impression
11:58<valdyn>celoserpa: its true.
11:58<valdyn>celoserpa: you wont change that fact.
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11:59<valdyn>celoserpa: not "even ms windows gui", windows gui is about the fastest in existance i suppose
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11:59<valdyn>celoserpa: defenitely faster than max os x
11:59<celoserpa>valdyn, yeah, by faster I mean more responsive, faster feedback :)
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12:00<valdyn>celoserpa: kde should feel snappier i think
12:00<lucas_amorim>hello, I am using debian lenny in a box with an nvidia card. I have been using the nvidia proprietary drivers since then. But today when booted the machine it starded GDM but crashed when gnome started to load and restarted GDM. Then I took a look at /var/log/xorg.0.log or something and I saw a line about GLX error and an nvidia line saying to reinstall the driver...
12:00<lucas_amorim>I have tryed to reinstall it, but it is now complaining about my gcc version
12:01<bremner>!tell celoserpa about xfce
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12:02<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you are using the driver from you may have to rebuild your kernel
12:02<celoserpa>valdyn, bremner thank you for your time and help
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12:02<valdyn>celoserpa: theres things in the works that *might* change this in X, but right now, as far as i can evaluate this, X applications cannot match windows in that aspect, not anywhere
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12:03<lucas_amorim>I am back
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12:03<lucas_amorim>so, I cant figure out what is the problem, since nvidia's script never complained about that
12:04<celoserpa>valdyn, yeah, that's how it feels currently. Thanks for sharing your experiences
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12:04<valdyn>lucas_amorim: so reinstall the driver as it said?
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12:04<celoserpa>valdyn, hope things get better soon for X so that Linux GUI moves into a highter-quality level
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12:04<lucas_amorim>valdyn: I could not reinstall it, that is the problem
12:04<valdyn>lucas_amorim: why couldnt you?
12:05<celoserpa>valdyn, btw, never used Mac OSX, but its underlying graphics engine is based on X, right ?
12:05<valdyn>celoserpa: no
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12:05<valdyn>celoserpa: not at all, its entirely new
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12:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you are using the driver from you may have to rebuild your kernel
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12:07<lucas_amorim>It first complained that I had gcc-4.2 instead of gcc-4.1 then i just "CC=gcc-4.1" and then "export CC" then I tryed again and then it started to compile the kernel interface against the source tree I have installed.. then it gave me an error that I cant remember precisely but i suggested that it would be caused by wrong gcc version
12:07<Clumsy_Root>yo, back with success
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12:08<Clumsy_Root>the workaround actually didn't do anything; turns out it was a problem between the soft and the hald -- namely, the crappy nvidia drivers.
12:08<lucas_amorim>Nemoder I know that every time that there is a kernel update I need to rebuild it, but this time there was no kernel update
12:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can use the installer with gcc-4.2 but it has to match the gcc version used to compile your kernel
12:08<Clumsy_Root>thanks to everyone tho', i've learned something new again :)
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12:09<lucas_amorim>Nemoder but I am using the same kernel as before...
12:09<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would suggest trying either a kernel from sid or pull the kernel sources and using kernel-package to build your own
12:09<lucas_amorim>that seems difficult
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12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, The murrine GTK engine does feel a little more responsive and it's pretty, thanks for the tip
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12:10<Clumsy_Root>lucas_amorim: not really, you can find some useful tutorials around
12:10<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I have never compiled a kernel.
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12:10<lucas_amorim>but, what is happening actually. It was working yesterday
12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, do you know why the MS Windows GUI is so fast and responsive, at least substantially faster than most of X GUIs?
12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, I was wondering about the technical aspects of that...
12:11<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it really isn't hard, kernel-package has a tool that will build a .deb file for a custom kernel
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12:11<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: i disagree there, X seems much faster to me
12:12<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, but why do I need to do this now?
12:12<lucas_amorim>I am actually using the driver now in fluxbox
12:12<lucas_amorim>and it is working
12:12<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, yeah, that's why I said earlier that this might be subjective
12:12<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: so that you will have a kernel compiled with your version of gcc to make nvidia's installer happy
12:12<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, i see
12:12<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, however, a vanilla XP install has a GUI that feels faster than Gnome for me
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: i think it's mainly due to how certain kernel features are tweaked -- scheduler, allocator, clocking
12:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder. the driver is working now, but if i open a 3d application it crashes
12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, hmm... interesting, have you tweaked yours?
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: how does it handle with KDE?
12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, KDE feels faster than Gnome
12:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder so i guess i really have to rebuild this?
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12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, don't know about KDE4 though
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: sure did, and i'm still amazed at how some tunes can make a huge difference
12:14<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: gonna be a long, long time before i consider kde4 reliable.
12:14<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, could you point me to somewhere I could see more about these tweaks?
12:14<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: can you guide me through that?
12:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: sure
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12:14<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, I don't like the fact that KDE uses QT
12:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would go to and grab the latest
12:14<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: clumsily enough, i didn't save my resources, but if you search the 'net for kernel tweaking or kernel howto you should find something of value
12:15<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, thank you :)
12:15<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: yeah, but GTK2 is a little boring to the eye
12:15<Clumsy_Root>anytime dude :)
12:15<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: click on the F to get the full package not just the patch
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12:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: will it work fine with the rest of my hardware? I mean, will have to recompile everything that has a kernel interface
12:16<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you have other customized kernel modules like nvidia then they would have to be recompiled
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12:18<lucas_amorim>but, the official debian kernel has some modifications, doesn't it? what about these modifications, aren't them necessary?
12:18<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: from what I understand they are very minor
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12:18<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I see, do you use the latest kernel then?
12:19<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
12:19<lucas_amorim>along with nvidia's driver
12:19<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yup
12:20<lucas_amorim>I am dowloading the source
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12:20<DTE>padski: i'm running i386
12:20<DTE>yes exactly...there's no rename
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12:21<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or
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12:21<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: also you should apt-get install kernel-package
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12:22<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I have just done this :)
12:22<lucas_amorim>is that all i need?
12:22<lucas_amorim>anymore dependencies?
12:22<padski>DTE, :-) the error is a side-effect of the -d flag. it will work fine without it.
12:22<Nemoder>if there are then apt will get them
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12:25<fatTONE>hey guys, how does the dpkg bot work here?
12:25<fatTONE>is there a dpkg bot readme?
12:26<padski>fatTONE, /msg dpkg help
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12:27<DTE>padski: i try without
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12:32<DTE>padski: worked...then this -d is wrong
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12:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: Ok, I have downloaded the kernel source. what now?
12:34<padski>DTE, "In debug mode, no changes will be made to the logs"
12:35<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: as root move it to /usr/src and unpack it with tar xvfj linux*
12:35<DTE>padski: ops...really? shame on me then :-P
12:35<valdyn>why the hell move it to /usr/src
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12:35<valdyn>why the hell get root involved
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12:36<Nemoder>valdyn: it's a kernel, he'll need to be root to install it and the nvidia installer will want the headers
12:36<valdyn>only to install it
12:37<valdyn>headers are looked up anywhere
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12:37<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
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12:39<Nemoder>valdyn: when you install a custom kernel it links the build directory to the source directory so custom modules can be compiled to it, I find that very messy to have linked to a home directory
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12:42<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i am extracting it
12:42<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when you have it extracted copy over your /boot/config- from your current kernel to the source directory and rename it to .config
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12:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: just the root of the source directory
12:43<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
12:43<bored_>hello ppl.. need some help.. when i install nis package using apt-get it asks for domain name.. is it possible to answer it beforehand so that when i install it doesnt ask me and directly finishes installing..
12:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok
12:43<lajujkej>hey all, quick question. I am installing aigaion and it wants me to put files in what it calls <WEBROOT>/... Is webroot /var/www, or something else?
12:44<Nemoder>lajujkej: depends on your web server config but usually that is the default
12:44<themill>lajujkej: by default, yes. but you are free to change that in the apache config
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12:44<lajujkej>ahh, thanks.
12:44<lajujkej>I am brand new to this webserver stuff
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12:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: done
12:45<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: after you copy the config run make menuconfig (you don't need to change anything although you can if you want to)
12:45<bored_>is there some way i can pre configure the package so that it doesnt ask me questions while installing?
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12:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok, but what would I want to change? lol
12:46<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: perosnally I like to fine tune the kernel to only include components I use but it takes a lot of hardware knowledge to get it right
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12:46<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you don't want to mess with that right now just save and exit
12:46<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i see
12:46<lucas_amorim>so I run "make menuconfig"?
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12:47<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: technically you already have a .config but running menuconfig can help clean up any changes from older kernel versions
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12:48<lucas_amorim>so I must pick "Save an alternate configuration file" ?
12:48<Nemoder>no just save it as is
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12:49<lucas_amorim>there is no save option
12:49<Nemoder>just exit, it should prompt to save
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12:49<lucas_amorim>ok done
12:50<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: ok now run make-kpg --revision=custom1.0 kernel_image
12:50<Nemoder>erf, make-kpkg
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12:51<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when that is done you should have a linux-*.deb in /usr/src, then you can install it with dpkg -i
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12:51<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: then it will alredy be in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
12:52<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
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12:52<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it should give you a choice between the old kernel and the new one on bootup
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12:52<lucas_amorim>and, when I finish this, can I erase the source dir?
12:53<lucas_amorim>I am running out of space in the / partition
12:53<lucas_amorim>only have some 200 MB
12:53<tomv_w>hi. my etch system recognizes my USB stick as a CDROM (according to dmesg) after recognizing it as usb stick and then gnome-mount and hal don't like it. what am I doing wrong?
12:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: hmm, the compile process uses up a lot of space
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12:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you might not have enough free to compile :(
12:54<lucas_amorim>Nemoder I had 580MB before sxtracting the bz2 file
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12:54<lucas_amorim>/dev/hda1 6.5G 5.9G 263M 96% /
12:54<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it can take several hundred meg to build
12:55<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can safely delete the .bz2 anyway
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12:56<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can make-kpkg clean to remove the compiled objects when it is done although you might want to wait and see if the nvidia module compiles on the new kernel
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12:56<lucas_amorim>now I have got 297MB free lol
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12:57<DTE>bye bye all
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13:01<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it is taking a long time...
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13:01<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah a kernel takes awhile to compile, keep an eye on the free space though, it'll go down pretty quick
13:02<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I have removed wesnoth an now i have got 300MB
13:02<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: what is your processor speed?
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13:03<lucas_amorim>after apt-get clean I have 417M :)
13:03<lucas_amorim>it is a intel petium 4 HT 3.0 Ghertz
13:04<Nemoder>oh that shouldn't take too long then
13:04<Nemoder>it took almost half an hour on my old 1ghz
13:04<lucas_amorim>it is still compiling lolo
13:04<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: well that's another reason to tweak the kernel config, cuts down on compile time for all the modules you wont use ;)
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13:05<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: while extracting that bz2 I saw references to many types of architectures... then, am I compiling all of them?
13:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: no just one arch, but lots and lots of drivers for all kinds of different hardware components
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13:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: also, is it 100% sure that ir will compile fine? I mean, should I watch it to see if complais about something?
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13:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I wouldn't worry about, the kerenel developers do a good job :)
13:10<lajujkej>If I
13:11<lajujkej>Does someone know If installing Xampp changes your default webroot?
13:11<dpkg>i guess xampp is a way of way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd zlib libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>
13:12<lajujkej>oh, thanks for the info
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13:19<phorce1>This is long, easier to not break it up. Is there a way to get diff to ignore line number offsets? I have two text files. I need to know which lines in file 1 are NOT in file 2 and which in file 2 are NOT in file one. But, the contents do not match up line-for-line when sorted. using 'diff' with the --suppress-common-lines switch still shows me lines that are common to both files just because they aren't on the same line number. Is there a way to get lines t
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13:21<mc>phorce1: sort(1) both files, possibly with -u(nique) and diff them again?
13:21<devil>phorce1: try diff -Nrup, iirc that does it
13:22<sco50000>how do i switch what driver X is using?
13:22<Nemoder>sco50000: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:22<sco50000>Nemoder: ok
13:22<guillaume>wine+grabit 1.7.1 beta build 960 (lenny): (working but unstable)
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13:23<phorce1>mc: oh, crap uniq (brain fart) Thanks all brb
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13:27<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: still compiling ...
13:27<mc>i wonder wether uniq really is his only solution.
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13:28<ace>bit of advice please
13:28<ace>ive installed debain onto my second drive
13:28<ace>all ok
13:29<ace>my main drive is windows
13:29<ace>when i restart pc obviously it boots the windows drive
13:29<ace>how do i now boot my linux drive also
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13:29<ace>is that possible
13:30<themill>!tell ace about dual boot guide
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13:36<ace>isnt it possible to duel boot my linux second drive without installing ubuntu
13:36<themill>ace: yes, the instructions are generic for debian or ubuntu.
13:37<ace>ah right
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13:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: should I be worried about things such "WARNING: Can't handle masks in drivers/mtd/nand/cafe_nand:FFFF0" ??
13:39<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: no, just worry about errors not warnings
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13:40<guillaume>I need a DV camcoder guru under linux in order to grab movies from a samsung VP-D964WPAL with testing
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13:41<guillaume>kino fail with raw1394 alert (kernel 2.6.22-3)
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13:42<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: what is the best nvidia driver version for the GeForce FX 5200?
13:42<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: nvidia's website should tell you
13:43<lucas_amorim>I have been using this one:
13:43<Nemoder>just go with the latest one unless it recommends legacy
13:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: someone told me the latest are buggy
13:43<lucas_amorim>I don't know who, but someone here recommended this one
13:43<Nemoder>169 is working for me on my 8600gt
13:44<Nemoder>generally I would say try the latest and if it doesn't work then try an older one
13:44<guillaume>lucas_amorim: yes 100.14.23 fail to run compiz-fusion properly, I would advise to use 100.14.19
13:45<phorce1>mc: devil They've been sorted and uniq'd (I had actually already done that but looked to make sure). Still outputs lines that are in both with or without the --suppress-common-lines switch. sample --
13:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it finishing compiling :)
13:46<lucas_amorim>so i just install and reboot?
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13:46<lucas_amorim>ok... be right back, I hope
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13:48<phorce1>I would diff visually but one file is 5000+ lines and the other is 9000+ lines. That's a big diff
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13:49<phorce1>I need something that does a recursive sort-and-compare
13:49*themill hands phorce1 a copy of the camel book
13:50<themill>!camel book
13:50*dpkg grabs a latex carrot and winks at book with its massive eyelashes
13:50<ace>themill that guide is for duel boot of same drive
13:50<phorce1>and spits out the differences.
13:50<ace>ive got 2 seperate drives
13:50<themill>!literal camel book
13:50*dpkg grabs a latex carrot and winks at book with its massive eyelashes
13:50*phorce1 has the camel book somewhere.
13:50<ace>1x windows 1x linux
13:50<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
13:50<dpkg>no, stupid themill
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13:51<dpkg>from memory, camel book is "Programming Perl" by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen and Randal L. Schwartz. ISBN: 1-56592-149-6 or essential for perl-guru-wannabees
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13:51<themill>that's better
13:51<ace>my second drive the linux 1 isnt even showing up in properties
13:51<themill>dpkg: smarter bot
13:51<dpkg>Yep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world....
13:51<ace>should it
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13:51*phorce1 goes googling "recursive sort compare" <sigh>
13:51<Nemoder>ace windows can't read linux partitions
13:52<ace>ag right
13:52<ace>so ist it possible to boot it
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13:52<ace>whilst my windows partion is booted#
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13:52<Nemoder>not without a virtual machine configuration
13:53<Gathond>Nemoder: not entirely true, there are several ext2 drivers for windows
13:53<Nemoder>well true, but they don't ship with windows ;)
13:53<Gathond>who does ext3 just fine in non journaling mode
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13:53<Gathond>Nemoder: so? they are free to download and install
13:53<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: :( kernel panic
13:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: :(
13:54<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: had to get back to the older kernel
13:54<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: did it say way? like unable to mount root fs or something?
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13:56<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: "VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option. here are the available partitions: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs...
13:56<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yes ^
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13:57<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I'm not sure why the same config would have that result.. can you pastebin the output of lsmod?
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14:00<lucas_amorim>just a minute
14:00<ace>^^ that Nemoder
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14:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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14:05<lajujkej>this install is asking me to point my brower at a install.php script. Shouldn't this output a webpage in the browser? Instead it brings up a prompt asking what I want to run the file with. Do I need to update iceweasel?
14:05<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I think what has happened is the default config was setup to boot with a initrd image which contains the disk and filesystem modules rather than having them built into the kernel
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14:06<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I dont understand
14:06<dpkg>well, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477).
14:06<dpkg>hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>.
14:06<dpkg>it has been said that ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers.
14:06<Supaplex>woah there
14:06<Supaplex>arcticpenguin: just /query dpkg
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14:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: basicly initrd is a virtual disk created in ram
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14:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: did you see the paste?
14:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah
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14:08<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I dont understand why glx stopped working
14:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: probably because xorg updated
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14:09<lucas_amorim>that is a possibility
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14:09<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, so any workarounds?
14:09<forward>hi everyone!
14:10<lucas_amorim>hi :p
14:10<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I think your options are to either setup a initrd for the new kernel like your current kernel or reconfigure the new kernel to have those filesystem modules built-in
14:10<lucas_amorim>I would pick the first, seems to be less work lol
14:11<lucas_amorim>what do you suggest?
14:11<Nemoder>well I went with the latter since I've been customizing my kernel anyway
14:11<lucas_amorim>I would have to recompile all that stuff?
14:12<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can try the initrd thing first, I'm a bit hazy on it but uh try make-kpkg --revision=custom1.0 --initrd kernel_image
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14:13<lucas_amorim>cant I just copy the current initrd to the new kernel?
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14:13<sssvi01>what is deb_checkmd5sum ?
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14:13<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you haven't run make-kpkg clean then it shouldn't take long to rebuild
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14:14<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok
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14:14<lucas_amorim>but, shouldn't i remove the deb I have intalled?
14:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when you install the new one it will simply update it
14:15<robokop> /msg dpkg ask
14:15<sssvi01>i need to know that what deb_checkmd5sum do?
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14:16<sssvi01>it makes my cpu to work 100%
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14:21<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, it has just finished.. i am going to try again
14:23<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: when installing the package i got a message..
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14:23<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it say I already have the /lib/modules/ and it will be replaced...
14:23<lucas_amorim>its ok right?
14:23<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah that's fine
14:23<ace>i installed ext2 can acces the linux drive now
14:23<ace>but how do i boot it
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14:24<Nemoder>ace: you need to boot a rescue CD and rerun grub
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14:27<ace>can i use the same instaler cd
14:28<dpkg>rescue is probably at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
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14:30<guillaume>what can be use under testing for grabbing movie from dv camcoder ?
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14:30<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: didn't work
14:30<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: :(
14:30<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: this time it booted
14:31<Nemoder>where did it fail?
14:31<lucas_amorim>but after the message ALSA loading (or something) I got a black screen with an echoing underline in its corner
14:31<lucas_amorim>tryied ctrl-f1, f2, f7
14:32<lucas_amorim>nothing happend
14:32<lucas_amorim>also tryied single user mode
14:32<Nemoder>hm I haven't seen that happen before
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14:33<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I saw a suspect message during boot: "/etc/modprobe.conf existis but does not include modprobe.d !"
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14:33<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I don't have a modprobe.conf
14:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I have no idea what to do... lol
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14:34<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: is that file left over from a really old kernel?
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14:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: don't think so
14:35<EmleyMoor>Is there a good tool for copying out crossword layouts and filling them in? (not solving - this is one I have solved)
14:35<lucas_amorim>i intalled this system from a lenny netinst iso an year ago
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14:37<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would remove the modprobe.conf file
14:37<lucas_amorim>lucas_amorim what do you think about trying another nvidia version?
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14:38<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you want glx then it doesn't matter, all the nvidia modules require compiling against a kernel with the same gcc
14:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i dont understand.. I always compiled this driver with gcc-4.2
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14:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I cant see what has changed in my system since then
14:39<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: debian should really only use modprobe.d, if it finds a modprobe.conf then it ignores the other one
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14:40<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok, I am going to remove it
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14:41<lucas_amorim>I am rebooting now to see what i get... brb
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14:47<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: here I am in the new kernel. gdm could not be started and I could not compile the nvidia driver anyway :(
14:47<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: but, i feel we are closer
14:48<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: nice :)
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14:48<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: nvidia gave me no explanation of what happend
14:48<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: just told me to look at the log file
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14:49<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: which installer is it?
14:49<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: but now I cant paste anything... lol
14:49<lucas_amorim>can you look above?
14:49<lucas_amorim>I cant copy and paste here... lol
14:49<Nemoder>i would try the 169 instead of 100, but let me check their site
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14:50<Nemoder>that's for 32bit
14:50<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: does it support 5200
14:50<lucas_amorim>ok, i am using 32bit debian
14:50<phorce1>mc: devil: themill: anyone else who's not interested. 'diff' works fine. Working across platforms does not. I looked more closely at each file and whatever they were sorted with (different programs obviously) didn't sort/uniq them the same. I created fresh copies of both, ran them through sed to remove a useless repetitive pattern, ran them through 'sort -i -u', ran 'diff -Nawbirpy', and got correct output.
14:50<Nemoder>it says it supports all the FX series
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14:52<mc>phorce1: oh.
14:52<mc>phorce1: different platforms use different "newline characters"
14:52<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I am going to try
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14:53<phorce1>cleaning up a virtual mail server. The tool that removes entries from the database was not kicking the script that removes the actual mail folders. Now I have to hack up a bash script to read the result file and 'rm -rf /home/vmail/domain.tld/$1'
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14:55<phorce1>mc: no, I clean up stray CRLF's with dos2unix automatically out of habit. I run it on any text file I mess with even if I *KNOW* it has never touched a Winblows machine --- just in case.
14:55<mc>phorce1: ah.
14:56<fxiny>dos2unix ? i use flip
14:56<phorce1>mc: it was something about the sorting of the numbers. For some reason something sorted one of the files with strings starting with digits mixed in with strings starting with alpha chars.
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14:57<phorce1>mc: it made the offsets too great for diff to handle properly without some serious recursion.
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14:59<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I am downloading the driver you linked
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15:05<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: error again
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15:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: can you find the error in the log?
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15:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: the new installer is complaining: "Error: File '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/' is not a symbolic linc
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15:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: is it enough?
15:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: try renaming that file
15:10<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it also said: unable do create /usr/lib/ for copying (too many levels of symbolik link)
15:10<lucas_amorim>also said it was unable to restore this last file
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15:11<lucas_amorim>nemoder: it seems to be trying to install it anyway
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15:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: It finished installation, I could start gnome successfully :) I am going to try a 3D app now
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15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yeah!
15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: thank you
15:15<Nemoder>glad it worked :)
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15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: If you are glad, you can imagine how i am lol
15:15<Nemoder>if xorg updates again you should only have to reinstall the driver
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15:16<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yes, this I have already done
15:16<Nemoder>although if gcc has another major update you might have to rebuild the kernel again
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15:16<lucas_amorim>i hope it doesn't
15:16<lucas_amorim>see you
15:16<Nemoder>np cya
15:16<lucas_amorim>and what about those errors?
15:17<lucas_amorim>I mean, why did it worked? lol
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15:17<nuber>could someone help me with an error i'm getting in module-assistant?
15:17<Nemoder>well you can check /usr/lib/libGL* and see where stuff is linked
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15:18<lucas_amorim>c u
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15:32<nuber>can someone tell me where to find the ieee80211 source packages
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15:33<themill>!wayttd nuber
15:33<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, nuber?
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15:34<nuber>install the iee80211 module using module-assistant
15:34<themill>for what wireless driver?
15:35<nuber>but m-a can't find the package ieee80211-modules-2.6-686
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15:36<themill>for what wireless driver?
15:37<themill>I thought so... there are easier ways.
15:37<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
15:38<themill>nuber: if you are using the kernel in etch, you don't need to compile ieee80211 yourself. If you are using 2.6.23 or newer, then you could use iwl3945 instead. /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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15:41<bouke>Question, about global linux, i'm looking for an gui irc client ? any suggestions ?
15:41<nuber>thanks I think I got it working now
15:41<themill>I use konversation. Others are using xchat.
15:41<themill>nuber: excellent ;)
15:42<bouke>i'm @ gnome, can't use konversation than ? or can i
15:42<nuber>hey I'm trying to learn linux/GNU using debian on my laptop, would it be a good idea to join my local L.U.G.?
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15:43<dkr>nuber: yes, local lugs oftenhave meetings with presentations on using linux and various related software to help folks learn
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15:45<nuber>thanks for the help guys. l8r
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15:46<neant>hello, im wondering if its possible to have different volume for different applications.. ex: adjusting the volume on iceweasel/youtube without touching the sound of audacious/xmms
15:47<dondelelcaro>neant: depends on hte application
15:47<neant>dondelelcaro: well in that case it would be firefox and audacious do you know ?
15:48<dondelelcaro>xmms can do it by setting amplification settings, but I don't know if the flash or gnash plugins can control it that way
15:48<Nemoder>audacious has a "software volume control" option in output settings
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15:53<bouke>ok thx i use xchat on my server now.
15:53<bouke_>hi all
15:54*bouke signing out.
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15:58<bouke_>tricky question, i've set up an samba server, with a hp laserjet 1005 with foo2zjs, but if i connect to it true samba, i need to install windows driver.
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15:59<bouke_>unfortuanly the printer doesnt work on vista yet, but i've connected it before on a winxp server, those drivers i want to add on my linux server
15:59<bouke_>the question is HOW.
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16:14<nctrnl01>hi all
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16:14<valdyn>bouke_: why do you insist in using windows printer sharing?
16:14<valdyn>bouke_: cups sharing works too..
16:17<nctrnl01>does anyone know why mutt keeps getting "No authenticators available" when I try to send using Gmail?
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16:17<valdyn>nctrnl01: are you using authentication?
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16:18<valdyn>nctrnl01: gmail requires auth.
16:18<nctrnl01>it says its using SSL/TLS, but then bombs out
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16:18<valdyn>nctrnl01: alright, i never used mutt with anything but mtas
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16:19<valdyn>nctrnl01: maybe you want to use a real mta
16:19<valdyn>nctrnl01: ( though there is not much use in that if you use just only mutt )
16:19<kracit>my first time with this program :)
16:20<valdyn>nctrnl01: anyway, debian has a few mtas that specialise in being controlled by the user, not the admin
16:22<valdyn>nctrnl01: btw, make sure you have openssl installed
16:22<nctrnl01>yep, got openssl 0.9.8g-3
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16:23<valdyn>nctrnl01: read
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16:24<valdyn>nctrnl01: first hit on google for your error message by the way
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16:26<valdyn>to bad neant is gone... pulseaudio is great for what he wants
16:26<nctrnl01>damn.... that worked
16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: nice!
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16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: feel free to report some bug about that
16:26<mc>damn colleagues of mine. post helpful hints
16:26<nctrnl01>apparently i'm using the wrong search terms on google. . .
16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: or maybe that is mentioned already in /usr/share/doc/mutt
16:27<valdyn>nctrnl01: complete error message is usually fine in google
16:27<mc>seems youre doing alot of things wrong :P
16:28<nctrnl01>now to try to figure out how to get rid of that pesky "Word has not been installed for this user" error in wine
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16:50<nctrnl01>thanks all
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17:02<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
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17:03<jrolland-iMac>How do I get debian to open link in icedove in iceweasel, not iceape browser?
17:03<jrolland-iMac>I tried desktop -> Preferences -> preferred applications
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17:10<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
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17:13<ace>it is possible to have both os windows drive 1 linux debain drive 2 boot both at the same time correct ?
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17:36<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
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17:37<witte>sco50000: hotkeys?
17:37<witte>sco50000: or maybe keytouch
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17:39<abrotman>!info lineakd etch
17:39<sco50000>how do i use kotkeys? i installed it
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17:39<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
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17:40<witte>sco50000: I have no idea, i do not use it
17:40<sco50000>lineakd looks like it should do the job, thanks abrotman
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17:49<fishy__>anyone with debian-mips or debian-installer experience here? Having a weird problem with debian-installer on a mips (IP32 O2)
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17:50<fishy__>using testing/main/installer-mips/current/images/r5k-ip32/netboot-boot.img on a 180MHz IP32 O2, fdisk partitions SGI label OK, mkfs.ext3 formats partition OK, but debian-installer keeps telling me "No partitions were found"
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17:52<witte>fishy__: maybe try at #debian-boot
17:53<fishy__>witte: tnx, doing so now :D
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17:58<fishy__>not a whole lot of response tho :P
17:59<witte>fishy__: you could try the mailing list
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18:01<fishy__>witte: jup, naturally... but I thought I'd try the "real-time" medias first :P
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18:01<fishy__>witte: hihi, irc'ing from emacs are we? :P
18:02<witte>fishy__: is there any other way?
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18:02<fishy__>lol, yes, specially if you belong to "that other religion" :P
18:02<pieisgood>word up all
18:02<fishy__>pieisgood: timing :P
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18:03<pieisgood>fishy: I don't understand
18:05<witte>pieisgood: nevermind, welcome!
18:05<fishy__>I was just stating that I am a vi/vim-guy, as opposed to witte, who clearly is an emacs guy... when you show up and exclaim "_word_ up.."
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18:07<pieisgood>yeah... I don't know about all that lol but thanks wittie and fishy
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18:07<pieisgood>ok, I have connected a D-link DBT-120 to my laptop and I have also installed xpad360 (with wireless support) but I can't get it to connect to the device
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18:08<pieisgood>have any of you guys tried to work with an xbox 360 controller using bluetooth before?
18:09<fishy__>I've tested communication and use of the Wiimote, but 360 stuff, no, sorry...
18:10<witte>pieisgood: nope, sorry, i had to google for DBT-120 and xpad360 :P
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18:11<streuner_>fishy__: How about to answer all questions?
18:11<witte>pieisgood: can you see the device with hcitool scan
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18:12<pieisgood>no lol
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18:13<witte>pieisgood: does your dlink thing work (hciconfig)
18:13<pieisgood>well, It can see my phone
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18:13<pieisgood>just not my controller
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18:14<pieisgood>yeah the device is working
18:14<fishy__>streuner_: how about answering when one has experience with related technology, one might actually be able to help?
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18:16<fishy__>pieisgood: does the xbox-controller have any kind of "sync" or "connect" buttons? starting a "connect" procedure may be neccesary for it to show up during hci scan
18:16<pieisgood>oh snap
18:16<pieisgood>I am fucking retarded
18:16<pieisgood>I have just been turning it on... and not pressing the sync button
18:16<pieisgood>I hate my self ... so much
18:16<fishy__>nono, common mistake :P
18:17<pieisgood>lets see if it works!
18:17<streuner_>fishy__: how you threat people who want help you is very nice...
18:17<klando>Hi, i am trying to "mount -r --bind a b" but b is still writable ...
18:17<klando>any idea ?
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18:17<fishy__>streuner_: ehm?
18:17<Anon940>hi guys
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18:18<themill>klando: can't be done yet. pity, but true.
18:18<fishy__>streuner_: did I mis-read you completely?
18:18<Anon940>I am trying to put a new topic on, but an error appear, what I do???
18:18<streuner_>fishy__: yes, you didnt answer a question in freenode
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18:18<Guest85>help please, how to get write permission to hda1 from knoppix live cd?
18:18<klando>themill, rah.... perhaps something in your cookbook to do something like that ?
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18:19<kop>!tell Guest85 -about knoppix
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18:19<themill>klando: if you really need it, then you can try an nfs mount to loopback and you can do that ro not rw.
18:20<Guest85>kop i don't understand?
18:20<klando>yes, tht was the other option I saw..ok, will go this way
18:20<klando>thank you themill
18:20<themill>Guest85: knoppix is not debian. Please ask in #knoppix not in #debian.
18:20<themill>klando: no worries. Have fun.
18:20<Anon940>hey, guys
18:20<patriots2008>is debian better than ubuntu
18:20<Anon940>I did a bad installation with Debian 4.0
18:21<pieisgood>OK! so that didn't work
18:21<streuner_>partri: thats you asking in #debian? ;-)
18:21<Anon940>the RAID is configure by Setup MoBo
18:21<pieisgood>I hate my self less now
18:21<streuner_>patriots2008: ^^^
18:21<Anon940>I configure the installation in this way
18:21<Guest85>there is nobody in the knoppix channel
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18:21<Anon940>sba: I define the /swap, /, and /var partition
18:21<kop>patriots2008 : That's a matter of opinion. Debian folks think debian stable is more stable than ubuntu. That seems to be generally acknowledged.
18:21<Xenguy>patriots2008: I think so (just MHO :-)
18:22<azeem>Guest85: #knoppix on
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18:22<Anon940>and for the second SATA disk, I put 'physic volume for RAID'
18:22<patriots2008>ubuntu is based off of debian unstable
18:22<themill>Guest85: try on freenode
18:22<Anon940>and continue with the installation
18:22<Guest85>surely somebody must know how i can gain write partition to hda1 with knoppix live cd??
18:22<Xenguy>patriots2008: what kop said; I have run Ubu also
18:22<fishy__>streuner_: sorry.
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18:22<streuner_>fishy__: thanks
18:22<fishy__>streuner_: read you completely wrong... thought you were referring to something in this channel
18:23<azeem>Guest85: not us, because we do not run knoppix
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18:24<Guest85>azeem i thought linux commands were universal
18:24<kop>Guest85: The "man mount" command will probably tell you to do "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1". But ya know, this sort of thing can really bork your system and, uh, we don't run knoppix.
18:24<fishy__>pieisgood: hum, bummer... well, since my knowledge of MS-stuff is fairly limited, it seems that's as much as I can say about xbox360-stuff...
18:24<Tarcas>Guest85: You can always try unmounting it and remounting it as r/w, but as for knoppix specifics on how to do that, we're not the group to ask.
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18:24<pieisgood>fishy__: thanks anyway... I'll go bother ubuntu
18:24<devil>Guest85: try sudo passwd
18:24<Xenguy>Guest85: I think one is, you need to be aware of where you ask for help for what :-)
18:24<devil>Guest85: then set one for the session
18:25<Guest85>ok thanks
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18:26<fishy__>pieisgood: hihi
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18:45<pieisgood>turns out the 360 controller isn't bluetooth.. is 2.4ghz RF
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18:45<pieisgood>I have an RF port... apperently not even windows can talk to the controller using a computer RF
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18:49<osvaldo>hi, this is my first time here, and using linux (ubuntu) I want to know how install Drivers for my laptop with intel 945 chipset
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18:52<themill>osvaldo: the drivers should be installed automatically from the package xserver-xorg-video-i810 or -intel. But for ubuntu questions, you should as #ubuntu on
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19:02<fabrizzio>alguien que sepa hablar en español
19:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:02<themill>!win themill
19:02<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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19:06<fingolfin>is anybody here?
19:07<fingolfin>oh hi, please bear with me im a linux (ubuntu) first timer! i was looking at for help, but im not sure how to login to the chat help network they mention
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19:08<fingolfin>this server thing was already on the program
19:08<fishy__>fingolfin: take a look at the topic in this channel...
19:08<Tarcas>fingolfin: No Ubuntu users here. Sorry.
19:08<fingolfin>oh ok :-(
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19:09<fishy__>fingolfin: you might have better luck in that other channel :P sorry...
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19:12<shoot>Anyone here good with synaptics touchpad? I require some assistance with changing the sensitivity of mine, gsynaptics and the builtin gnome-mouse-manager doesn't respond to whatever I set the sensitivity to.
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19:15<shoot>(I'm using debian etch on gnome kernel 2.6.18-5-686)
19:16<Tarcas>Hmm... had the same issue. Never did get that worked out, not that I tried much.
19:17<jello>dkr: points to OFTC...
19:17<shoot>Tarcas: it doesn't seem as if anyone has, I've tried googling and searching on the official forums but I can't seem to find anyone who has done it with the specific synaptics touchpad on debian etch
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19:18<shoot>conclusion I've come to is that you've got to edit xorg.conf, but for some it works with g/qsynaptics
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19:18<shoot>haven't found the right options for xorg.conf and like I said the synaptics manager(s) doesnt work
19:18<shoot>Was hoping someone in here would have solved the issue
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19:22<shoot>Guessing not.. Okay :P
19:23<witte>shoot: i came in late, can you repeat your question?
19:23<shoot>01:12… shoot: Anyone here good with synaptics touchpad? I require some assistance with changing the sensitivity of mine, gsynaptics and the builtin gnome-mouse-manager doesn't respond to whatever I set the sensitivity to.
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19:25<kop>shoot: As a last resort there's the documentation that comes with the kernel. It might have notes for the driver.
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19:25<shoot>I guess I could try that... bah :P
19:26<witte>shoot: also have a look at whatever is in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/
19:27<witte>shoot: well, yes, that is one of them
19:27<witte>I usually only configure my synaptics touchpad off, so i am not an expert...
19:29<witte>here is a site that also could be of help:
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19:31<shoot>only thing I found interesting was accelfactor
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19:34<witte>shoot: you could try to ask at #xorg on freenodes, but i am not sure if that would be appropriate there
19:35<shoot>I'll try that for some other day I think
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19:36<shoot>Thanks for trying though witte, much appreciated
19:37<shoot>I only have one more question which anyone should be able to answer: Should I move on from etch to lenny? I've been trying loads of apps such as AWN and more but they wont do it for me in etch. Is there any downside with lenny except for the unstable factor (which I don't think is that bad)
19:38<dvs>shoot: unstable doesn't mean that the programs crash a lot. It means that the packages change frequently
19:39<shoot>So really, as a normal desktop user (on a laptop), should I or shouldn't I update to lenny? I guess this is my own choice to make but I've been asking myself the very question the last few days just because it feels as if backports don't have any of the packages I want and there is quite a few I'd like to have on my machine.
19:39<Xenguy>dvs: the latter can produce the former :-)
19:39<dvs>shoot: for a desktop system, I'd do it.
19:40<witte>shoot: lenny is quite stable if it is a desktop machine and you have reasonable linux experience (you can google and help yourself)
19:40<witte>shoot: i use lenny at work, and I don't have any problems with it
19:40<witte>shoot: if you have to use a lot of packages from backports, I would go for lenny
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19:40<shoot>Thanks, this pretty much just gives me a thumbs up on what I've been thinking already :-P
19:40<witte>shoot: I run unstable on my laptop and home desktop, and that also works nicely (most of the time)
19:41<dvs>shoot: I've been using Debian since bo and I've never used unstable.
19:41<Xenguy>I use to run sid religiously, but now I'm lazy and run stable
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19:41<shoot>isn't sid the 'bleeding edge' though?
19:41<shoot>Compared to lenny that is
19:42<dvs>shoot: exactly. That's where the problems first appear.
19:42<Xenguy>I've got 4 machines at home to look after, so stable is easier maintenance I think
19:42<witte>shoot: lenny is unstable of at least 10 days old without big errors
19:43<witte>shoot: and I run unstable only at my home systems, not at work...
19:43<shoot>Hm, okay
19:43<dvs>witte: aww. Be brave. Run it at work. ;-)
19:43<Xenguy>One example was the problems with Lenny and Nvidia drivers -- bit of a mess there for a bit
19:43<witte>dvs: i did it for more than 2 years, but then I had some problems which I could no longer justify ;-)
19:44<shoot>Basically I use my laptop at school and a little at home with the ordinary computer use such as surfing / music / movie / some web-developing
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19:44<witte>dvs: I think i had X broken for a week or so :P
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19:44<dvs>witte: write your own X . ;-)
19:44<witte>dvs: I am not that good :-)
19:45<witte>shoot: backup first, then try lenny
19:45<shoot>And like I said I seem to find more and more packages which is not available in etch.
19:45<Xenguy>shoot: worth checking the backports for stable
19:46<shoot>I've done that without luck
19:46<shoot>(so far)
19:46<Xenguy>shoot: I'll shutup now :-)
19:46<shoot>No no problem ;)
19:46<shoot>witte: problem, I don't have any room to backup on
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19:47<witte>shoot: no dvd writer or external HD?
19:47<shoot>No and no :(
19:47<witte>shoot: and you should have backups of your data in any case!
19:48<witte>shoot: or you can just borrow an external HD from a friend (or buy one, they are really cheap)
19:48<dpkg>from memory, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression)
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19:49<shoot>remember that I go to school, I really do not have money for it
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19:49<Hunger>why 'at lower compression'? :)
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19:50<witte>shoot: if you can borrow a external disk for the transition period (one week), that would be enough, or maybe someone has an external dvd writer he can miss for a week...
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19:50<shoot>Perhaps, but I doubt it
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19:50<shoot>For now I'll skip trying out lenny and be on the safe side ^_^^
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19:51<witte>shoot: even a windows pc of your parent could do as a backup
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19:52<shoot>I rarely travel home to my parents
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19:52<shoot>Ah well, I'll see what I can do about it
19:52<shoot>would it work with just taring the disk and loading it onto my own stationary pc then?
19:52<witte>shoot: it is not that urgent probably, you'll figure out somethign
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19:53<witte>you mean from laptop to desktop: yes, of course
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19:53<shoot>Then this is easy as pie :P
19:53<witte>or just a plain copy would be enough (you can tar of course)
19:54<shoot>What fashion do I go through to backuping the disk then? should I just tar the whole disk?
19:54<witte>and you only need to backup your data and config files of course, no system files
19:54<witte>shoot: I would save /home and /etc (just for comparing afterwards, not for copying directly as config files may have changed)
19:55<witte>shoot: maybe there are also some special configs you want saved from your system, but that is up to you
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19:56<witte>shoot: make sure you also include hidden folders (like .mozilla), it woudl be a surprise if your emails are not there anymore
19:56<witte>been there, done that :(
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: I'm hoping to have a look at 'mondo' ('mondorescue' ?) RSN - it looks promising
19:57<SixT6>If I get another kernel panic I'm going to explode
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: er, for backups
19:57<shoot>Xenguy: Okay
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: but you can do quick backups too if that better suits your situation ATM
19:57<shoot>Well, I'll see what I can do about my 'problems' and perhaps I'll come back at a later time with new questions, who knows :)
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19:58<Xenguy>shoot: let us know how it went
19:58<ceno>hey guys
19:58<shoot>But it is getting quite late where I am (2am) so I'll have to move over to bed now, thanks for your help and answers, much appreciated.
19:58<witte>!tell shoot about etch->lenny
19:58<shoot>witte: i've already seen that :)
19:58<Xenguy>shoot: nite
19:59<ceno>I need a little help
19:59<shoot>Xenguy: Yes, will just see how long I wait before I go through with it.. :-P
19:59<shoot>Anyway, Good night!
19:59<ceno>does any of you know this server called freenode?
19:59<witte>shoot: ok, good night and good luck
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19:59<dpkg>i guess freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
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19:59<ceno>lol omg
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20:00<Xenguy>ceno: see? anybody can be smart anymore ;-)
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20:02<ceno>it's been years since i used irc, but god this is just rockbottom lol
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20:02<dkr>"you may be connected to freenode" heh, I guess that is ambiguously worded since dpkg runs there as well.
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20:03<witte>yeah, I wondered about that as well, in any case ceno, you are on oftc ;-)
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20:04<ceno>you lost me there witte lol
20:04<ceno>I needed some help with php-gtk, but there's noone on the channel
20:05<witte>ceno: you are now talking in, there is also a
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20:07<gsimmons>ceno: You could try asking in #php-gtk on (not OFTC).
20:08<vook>and #debian on freenode is a sort of wasteland these days.
20:09<ceno>oh, I see
20:09<ceno>I guess the irc days are kinda over, talking about the mainstream obviously
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20:10<Xenguy>ceno: I think most of them found a new home at #ubuntu but I could be wrong
20:10<witte>ceno: these days you need a forum which at least has 17 useless kb for every useful byte of information transferred
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20:11<vook>ceno: irc days are not over, it's just evolved. It's more of niche protocol.
20:11<muhkuh>hi how is that 3Ddesktop working?
20:11<Xenguy>ceno: I figure the smart ones will come back, but it isn't impossible that we are a shrinking demographic :-O
20:11<ceno>lol xenguy
20:12<muhkuh>are there problems when its installed?
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20:12<ceno>but don't get me wrong, now everyone uses windows live messenger and it's fkng awful
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20:12<witte>!tell muhkuh about compiz
20:12<vook>thank goodness they are using that and not irc
20:12<vook>We've rooted them out
20:12<Xenguy>ceno: the servers will stay with debian I predict
20:13<witte>ANDREAS: /join #brasil
20:13<Xenguy>vook: heh, good point
20:13<muhkuh>my computer is relly bad
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20:13<Xenguy>muhkuh: naughty?
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20:13<muhkuh>it always stresses me
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20:13<Xenguy>muhkuh: try insulting it back
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20:14<muhkuh>when i have the money 4 a new one i'll give all that pain back to it
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20:16<muhkuh>i got a pentium4 3GHZ 1GB RAM and a asus A9250 Graphics Card
20:16<muhkuh>could i run a 3D desktop?
20:16<Xenguy>muhkuh: sounds like plenty
20:16<Xenguy>and more
20:16<muhkuh>jeah but this thing is baaad
20:17<Xenguy>I don't know for sure about the graphics card
20:17<muhkuh>128mb ram
20:17<vook>muhkuh: you probably could - just set up xgl
20:17<witte>muhkuh: wow you have super machine (compared to mine :()
20:18<muhkuh>but i bet yours is running much better
20:18<muhkuh>: )
20:18<witte>muhkuh: i doubt it, I think the pci bus is dying, i have regular freezes
20:18<witte>muhkuh: I am looking for a new one myself
20:18<muhkuh>i guess theres something wrong with my motherboard
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20:19<muhkuh>damn man we are so poor : D
20:19<witte>muhkuh: :-)
20:20<muhkuh>do i have to be afraid of that 3d stuff?
20:20<witte>muhkuh: I was hoping that it would last for another year, I have it now for almost 5 or so
20:20<muhkuh>dont want to mess my GUI again
20:20<Xenguy>muhkuh: ask yourself if you really need 3D
20:20<Xenguy>muhkuh: I mean, really, why?
20:20<witte>muhkuh: backup your xorg.conf and any other file you are going to change
20:20<muhkuh>hope my nu one doesn't take so long
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20:21<muhkuh>just wanted to see it
20:21<muhkuh>u're right
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20:21<muhkuh>we don'T need no 3D stuff trouble
20:21<vook>eye candy is fun if you have the power. Some could make the same point about composite transparency (do we need it). Well, no, but I have found it useful.
20:22<muhkuh>i'd better work on my ntfs writing problem
20:22<muhkuh>but that's too much for a noob like me
20:23<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at or ask me about <bpo>.
20:23<muhkuh>i like transparency
20:23<vook>muhkuh: at least set up true transparency - it's easy.
20:23<muhkuh>i allready installled that driver
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20:23<muhkuh>vook how?
20:24<vook>go here:
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20:32<user01>is there a codec for nsf files in lenny? normally in etch it should be xmms-festalon
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20:38<witte>user01: in sid xmms-festalon exists
20:39<user01>witte, arent there any other programs like mplayer or vlc that can?
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20:40<witte>user01: ok, they are in debian-multimedia, not really in debian
20:40<witte>user01: i have no idea, i had to do apt-cache search myself because i do not nknow what a nsf file is :-)
20:41<user01>witte, rips of nintendo music :)
20:42<Nemoder>user01: audacious has good nsf support
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20:43<Nemoder>w/ audacious-plugins-extra
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20:43<user01>Nemoder, ok ill see how it goes
20:47<user01>Nemoder, wow, audacious looks nicer than xmms
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20:51<Nemoder>yeah audacious is a fork of xmms, it can use the same skins
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20:59<sco50000>setting up compiz-fusion in debian is really hard :(
21:00<witte>sco50000: did you do this:
21:01<sco50000>but i have kde
21:01<witte>sco50000: ok, that is about what i know of it, i still have a PCI video card, so I have no compiz problems
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21:02<witte>sco50000: I have no idea what should be different between compiz and kde?
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21:03<witte>there is also a link to a kde install on the wiki
21:03<sco50000>i know, but it's a lot more confusing
21:04<witte>sco50000: where are you stuck
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21:06<sco50000>just getting compiz installed. i keep getting conflicts, but i think i found a away to fix them
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21:10<sco50000>when i do compiz --replace nothing happens at all
21:11<witte>sco50000: you are in kde, you added all the stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and restarted your X-server with ctrl-alt-backspace?
21:11<sco50000>hmm, forgot to resart X
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21:16<witte>sco50000: and?
21:17<sco50000>when i ctrl+alt+backspace'd my screen went black but X didn't come back
21:17<sco50000>iu had to reboot
21:18<witte>strange, did you have a look at the logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log after the ctrl-alt-backspace)
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21:19<witte>sco50000: you can still have a look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old probably, if you want to know why
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21:19<witte>sco50000: but still, did compiz work?
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21:20<sco50000>nope, i just tried it again
21:20<sco50000>doesn't even give any errors
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21:20<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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21:20<witte>you tried: compiz –replace gconf & kde-window-decorator &
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21:21<witte>sco50000: have a look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors and warnings
21:22<Ethaniel>Anyone knows what is "Screen 0 is not DRI capable"?
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21:22<sco50000>i found this warning: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
21:24<witte>sco50000: that means that you have no BusID "PCI:1:0:1" in you device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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21:25<sco50000>hmm, these warnings are about things i added to get compiz to work: (WW) fglrx(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" is not used
21:25<witte>Ethaniel: that means that the driver can not give a direct rendering interface (DRI) on screen 0 (the output)
21:26<witte>sco50000: but you have a radeon driver, and not nvidia for which the howto was
21:26<muhkuh>I Can'T find XGL does anyone know an adress?
21:27<witte>sco50000: ^^
21:27<Ethaniel>I have been searching in the forum, but everyone is talking about Nvidia boards. I have an Intel i810 graphics, and since X was working, I didn't paid much attention.
21:27<Ethaniel>Until now.
21:28<witte>!tell muhkuh about xgl
21:28<witte>Ethaniel: can you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
21:28<witte>!tell Ethaniel about pastebin
21:29<Ethaniel>Give me a sec, and I will send it to you.
21:30<Supaplex>what can I use for a quantative memory performance test? I have new ram on the way, and want to compare the old and new.
21:30<sco50000>witte: that link you gave me was for Debian Sid
21:31<sco50000>witte: i have etch
21:32<witte>sco50000: ah, ok could be
21:32<witte>sco50000: the method should be the same, but maybe you will have to cruise the web a bit more to see if there is an etch explaination
21:35<muhkuh>I'm lookin at apt for XGL but can't find it
21:35<muhkuh>can't find it anywhere
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21:36<Ethaniel>(I don't remember how to mount a USB pendrive.... that's why it's taking me so long. Sorry.)
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21:37<witte>Ethaniel: mount /dev/sda1 /mount/point?
21:38<witte>Ethaniel: and /dev/sda1 should be adjusted to your system
21:38<witte>Ethaniel: and why do you need an usb pen drive to upload your log to a pastebin?
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21:38<Ethaniel>I'm not on Debian, the computer with Debian is next to me.
21:39<witte>Ethaniel: does it have internet?
21:39<witte>Ethaniel: can you log in to it using ssh?
21:40<Ethaniel>I think I could. Yes, the computer has internet.
21:40<sco50000>witte: well, with that tutorial i finally managed to start installing xgl. one of the other tuts had working links or repos
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21:41<Ethaniel>I could install ChatZilla there and continue from Debian.....
21:41<witte>so you can either use the pastebin pipe
21:41<witte>!tell Ethaniel about pastebin pipe
21:42<witte>or you can log in remotely and just copy it like that :-)
21:43<witte>Ethaniel: or you can just use iceweasel on the ohter pc to upload it if you really want it simple :-)
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21:45<Ethaniel>I did exactly that. I sent the log file to myself in a mail.
21:46<Ethaniel>Can I use to send it to you?
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21:47<witte>Ethaniel: you could have used that browser to go to the pastebin site ;-)
21:47<Ethaniel>...... right.
21:47<Ethaniel>(i'm getting old....)
21:48<witte>Ethaniel: with that site you can place it online, and you can paste the link here so everyone can see it and try to help you
21:48<Ethaniel>It says "select a channel", but I can't see #debian.
21:49<witte>none is ok
21:49<Ethaniel>Ok then.
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21:50<sco50000>witte: do you have any idea why ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work correctly for me?
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21:51<witte>sco50000: no not reallly, have a look in the logs, but other than that, i do not know
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21:51<witte>Ethaniel: are you using the vesa driver?
21:52<witte>Ethaniel: can you upload your /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well
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21:52<witte>Ethaniel: and the output of lspci
21:52<Ethaniel>About VESA, no idea.
21:52<Ethaniel>I'll send xorg.conf right away.
21:52<Ethaniel>Aaand.... lspci?
21:53<witte>Ethaniel: you type in "lspci |grep VGA" in a terminal and you can paste it in this channel
21:54<witte>Ethaniel: or if you just type lspci in the terminal, you will need to upload it to the pastebin or you'll be kicked :-)
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21:55<Ethaniel>Okay. Which is the path to xorg.conf?
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21:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see, or deprecated and unsupported
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21:56<g-unot>does anybody use madwifi here?
21:56<witte>Ethaniel: /etc/X11/
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21:56<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @
21:56<g-unot>i know that
21:56<g-unot>but im wondering
21:57<g-unot>if anybody uses it ere
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21:57<witte>g-unot: not anymore, at the moment I tried them, they worked, but that is some time ago
21:57<g-unot>i for some reason
21:58<g-unot>the madwifi source doesnt install
21:58<g-unot>from apt
21:58<g-unot>it says its missing
21:58<Ethaniel>This is driving me crazy. I'll install Chatzilla and continue from there. Back in a sec.
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21:58<g-unot>and i checked my apt-sources list
21:58<g-unot>and nothings commented
21:58<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about bat
22:00<witte>g-unot: which debian version are you using?
22:00<g-unot>the newest one
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22:00<sco50000>witte: - look at section 7. he says to type, but i don't where he got that from, cause either it's not on my comp or it's not in my
22:00<Ethaniel>Okay, now I'm on Debian.
22:00<g-unot>Package madwifi-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
22:00<g-unot>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
22:00<g-unot>is only available from another source
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22:01<witte>g-unot: latest one: you mean the latest stable: etch
22:01<g-unot>latest stable
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22:02<witte>g-unot: no problem, just to be sure ;-)
22:02<witte>sco50000: sorry, cant help: apt-file search results in nothing
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22:03<Ethaniel>Do you asked for "lspci |grep VGA"?
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22:03<witte>Ethaniel: yes
22:03<Ethaniel>Can I paste it here?
22:04<witte>Ethaniel: if it is one line: yes
22:04<gsimmons>g-unot: And? "apt-cache policy madwifi-source"? Read the factoid again and provide using a paste site, don't paste in here.
22:04<Ethaniel>Then, no. :)
22:04<Ethaniel>One sec.
22:04<g-unot>okay gsimmons
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22:06<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about madwifi-install
22:06<witte>Ethaniel: that is only one line ;-), and you have an intel card
22:06<gsimmons>g-unot: I'm assuming you don't have any "non-free" sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Make sure that you do.
22:07<Ethaniel>Having an Intel onboard VGA is a problem?
22:07<g-unot>gsimmons, what do u mean?
22:07<Ethaniel>Or DRI is for 3D only?
22:07<witte>Ethaniel: normally not
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22:08<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about non-free sources
22:08<witte>Ethaniel: do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
22:08<witte>and make sure you choose the i810 driver and not vesa
22:08<muhkuh>does anyone know where i can get XGL??
22:08<Ethaniel>I'll try that.
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22:09<witte>Ethaniel: then restart the X server (ctrl-alt-backspace) and see if it worked
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22:09<witte>Ethaniel: and dri is hardware acceleration, but i think only 2d
22:10<g-unot>i dont have the non-freesources
22:10<g-unot>so ill add the non-free to the end
22:10<Ethaniel>It's asking me the amount of RAM in the board......
22:10<Ethaniel>And it's a good question.
22:11<Ethaniel>Can I check this in another terminal window?
22:11<witte>Ethaniel: you can leave that blank
22:12<gsimmons>g-unot: Better to append "contrib non-free", rather than just "non-free", as you'll also need the 'madwifi-tools' package (which is in contrib).
22:12<Ethaniel>Framebuffer device interface? Sounds good.
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22:12<witte>Ethaniel: the driver will choose, unless you want to limit it (eg if you only want to use 64 MB out of 256 MB, and not 128 MB for graphics alone
22:12<Ethaniel>Or not?
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22:12<g-unot>main contrib non-free
22:12<g-unot>is what i added
22:12<witte>Ethaniel: if in doubt, choose default ;-)
22:12<gsimmons>g-unot: That's fine.
22:12<g-unot>and now i got an error while updating
22:13<g-unot>lemme pastebin
22:13<Ethaniel>I just have "yes" or "no". Guess it's a no then.
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22:14<Ethaniel>This is a new one:
22:14<g-unot>but madwifi source seems to be installing fine
22:14<Supaplex>using a eps file, how can I slice it up into 8.5" x 11" fragments each to their own page? I have a printer that'll print border to border pages, but this massive esp image is going to take 10-15 sheets of paper to print (eg, at native resultion + 8.5x11")
22:14<Ethaniel>Keyboard model? It's just a keyboard.
22:14<Ethaniel>Latin american layout.
22:15<gsimmons>g-unot: Can you provide your complete /etc/apt/sources.list file at a pastebin? The paths appear to be incorrect.
22:15<g-unot>i installed madwifi good i think
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22:16<Ethaniel>It says "pc105". Is that okay?
22:16<witte>Ethaniel: pc105 is fine
22:17<witte>Ethaniel: most default settings are sane (and i think even taken from your current config...)
22:17<Ethaniel>Keyboard variant.... I'll leave it blank.
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22:18<Ethaniel>It's asking for a mouse port. the mouse is ps2.
22:18<Ethaniel>It's psaux?
22:18<witte>Ethaniel: could be
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22:18<Ethaniel>I also have "/dev/input/mice"
22:19<Ethaniel>That looks like the one.
22:19<witte>that is the one that is selected on my system
22:19<Ethaniel>Mouse protocol? :S
22:19<Ethaniel>No idea on that one....
22:19<gsimmons>g-unot: You forot an "etch" on line 7. See <> for a proposed amendment.
22:19<witte>Ethaniel: and if it does not work, you can rerun the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing
22:20<witte>ImPS/2 or somethign
22:20<Ethaniel>Do I have to emulate 3-button mouse to make the wheel work?
22:21<Ethaniel>And I "can" click with the wheel, so the mouse has three buttons....
22:21<Ethaniel>.... that's a no then.
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22:22<Ethaniel>Now it's asking for a bunch of modules to be enabled.
22:22<witte>default is ok
22:22<Ethaniel>DRI is ticked.
22:22<witte>next attempt monitor autodetection
22:23<witte>make sure you select the modes you wnat
22:23<hax>how can i switch my locale from 'C' to utf8?
22:23<Ethaniel>Okay, I'll restart X now.
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22:23<g-unot>gsimmons, okay
22:23<g-unot>i installed madwifi
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22:23<g-unot>with the instuctions u sent me
22:23<witte>hax: with the locales package
22:23<g-unot>but there is no iwconfig
22:24<gsimmons>g-unot: Install the 'wireless-tools' package.
22:24<g-unot>i believe i did
22:24<g-unot>how do i do this?
22:24<g-unot>its named
22:24<witte>hax: or if temporarily, LANG=en_US.UTF8;export $LANG
22:25<hax>witte: how do i do it with the locales package? i don't think i have that
22:25<hax>witte: and will that mean that i'll need to recompile software i've built myself, like python?
22:25<g-unot>i still see no ath0
22:25<dpkg>i heard madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
22:26<gsimmons>g-unot: Did you follow all of the above?
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22:26<gsimmons>g-unot: What wireless device are you attempting to configure?
22:26<g-unot>my wificard
22:26<g-unot>its a dlink
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22:27<gsimmons>g-unot: Ideally, a model and hardware revision/version would assist.
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22:27<witte>g-unot: will you please stop hitting the enter button constantly
22:27<witte>hax: apt-get install locales, and if you have it, dpkg-reconfigure locales
22:27<g-unot>its a WDA-1320
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22:28<muhkuh>i installed compiz how to configure
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22:28<witte>Ethaniel: and?
22:29<Ethaniel>The error is still there, Screen 0 is not DRI capable. But I have a 800x600 desktop now. :)
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22:29<Ethaniel>I think it starts with "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"
22:30<Ethaniel>Or something like that.
22:30<witte>Ethaniel: you forgot to select the correct monitor modes during the reconfigure
22:30<Ethaniel>I used autodetect. :S
22:30<Ethaniel>Is that wrong?
22:30<Ethaniel>How was that again? dpkg....?
22:31<g-unot>gsimmons, any ideas?
22:31<witte>autodetect was ok, but before autodetect, there were some choices for display sizes
22:31<gsimmons>g-unot: "modprobe ath_pci", then test for ath0 existence via iwconfig.
22:31<witte>Ethaniel: you can also just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly
22:31<hax>witte: thanks, got it
22:31<witte>!tell Ethaniel about drxx
22:32<g-unot>i got it to come up in iwconfig
22:32<muhkuh>compbiz bives me this message: (gtk-window-decorator:27913): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
22:33<Ethaniel>I'll try again.
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22:38<Ethaniel>No luck. It keeps saying the same.
22:38<Ethaniel>Should I edit that file by hand?
22:38<witte>Ethaniel: ok, could be that your card does not support AIXGL
22:39<witte>Ethaniel: but the resolution is back to normal now?
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22:39<Ethaniel>This time I choose 800x600 on purpose. Looks perfect.
22:39<witte>Ethaniel: that is rather small? you have a 14" screen?
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22:40<Ethaniel>Yes, it's an old 14" screen, but I can have 800x600 with a little tweaking on the back of the monitor.
22:40<g-unot_>is there a way to add firefox to the internet menu?
22:40<witte>in that case 800*600 is ok :-)
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22:41<Ethaniel>Just one more thing:
22:41<Ethaniel>Below that DRI thing, there's one more thing like "Type ONE_LEVEL has one level but HALT has two levels"?
22:41<Ethaniel>Is that an error too?
22:42<Ethaniel>I think that's about XKEYBOARD?
22:42<witte>Ethaniel: don't know, try to google for it (use the correct term)
22:42<witte>Ethaniel: I am going to sleep, it is 4:40 here
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22:42<Ethaniel>Go then, it's late down here too.
22:42<Ethaniel>Thanks for everything.
22:43<witte>no problem
22:43<kop>g-unot_ : That depends on the window manager your using. In my experience they automatically show up, but I've not used many different window managers.
22:43<g-unot_>i installed firefox
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22:43<g-unot_>im using gnome
22:43<kop>g-unot_ : You don't want to install firefox, you want to install iceweasel.
22:43<g-unot_>whats that?
22:44<kop>tell g-unot_ -about iceweasel
22:44<g-unot_>!tell g-unot_ -about iceweasel
22:46<g-unot_>oh i see
22:46<g-unot_>thnx for ur guys help
22:47<g-unot_>sorry for all my enters
22:47<g-unot_>thnx again gsimmons
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23:08<g-unot>is there a way to install kde 4 on debian?
23:09<kop>g-unot : What version of debian?
23:10<kop>g-unot : see
23:12<g-unot>okay what ius this
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23:34<imperia>hello. can you direct me to some console mixer for the sound card?
23:35<kop>imperia : Maybe audacity?
23:35<imperia>that's mixer? like amixer?
23:36<imperia>not tracker.. i need some mixer for setting volume of my sound card in console.. just like amixer but with gui
23:36<kop>imperia : I'm pretty sound clueless. Maybe you'd better ignore me.
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23:37<kop>imperia : Synaptic might help. It's got categories. or "aptitude search mix"
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23:38<imperia>i will try.. thanks
23:39<kapil>imperia: try alsamixer it comes with alsa-utils
23:40<imperia>is that amixer?
23:40<imperia>aaa thank you very much.. thats exactly what i needed - alsamixer
23:41<imperia>wolf3d in console is nice.. just like having dos.. dont need to start X
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