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---Logopened Tue Jan 22 00:00:35 2008
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00:10<AmberBlack>I'm trying to get my wifi driver working, it uses the bcm firmware, and for some reason unknown to me it refuses to be enabled.
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00:11<imperia>i have sound in dosemu under X but not in console. my driver for sound card is enabled in /etc/modules. anybody have ideas?
00:13<graytron>imperia: your X is using the sound device so sound doesnt work in console
00:13<gsimmons>AmberBlack: Which Debian suite are you using?
00:13*AmberBlack thinks its serge.
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00:15<gsimmons>AmberBlack: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" reply with?
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00:19<imperia>graytron: i mean if i quit X i got no sound.. but if i run dosemu under X i got sound
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00:23<kop>imperia : You could start with the basics and check (somehow) if the volume is turned on.
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00:24<gsimmons>AmberBlack: Are you using the bcm43xx driver? Have you installed the driver firmware via bcm43xx-fwcutter?
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00:29<imperia>kop: that's why i needed alsamixer. i checked master volume - right channel was muted, so i unmuted it.. but still no sound. what was the command for checking if there is sound in console.. cat /dev/random > /dev/mixer ?
00:30<kop>imperia : I'm clueless. Sorry.
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00:33<imperia>found it. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ... but still no sound
00:33<zack>hey can someone help me i am having trouble getting ubuntu to play a dvd
00:33<gsimmons>!tell zack -about ubuntu
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00:35<kop>I wonder how it is that ubuntu people wind up here?
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00:41<kapil>imperia: try 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav'
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00:44<imperia>kapil: i will try it now
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00:46<imperia>kapil: no errors. but no sound. i guess its something related to volume
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00:50<imperia>solved it.. there was some "Record Monitor" channel in Playback. that has to be muted for sound to work. and "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" worked :)
00:51<imperia>is there a way to save the mixer state in file ?
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01:49<mutos>how would I go about getting the most recent version of amarok under etch?
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01:56<blarson>!tell mutos about
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02:06<mutos>blarson: etch-backports doesn't have amarok..
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02:29<Ethaniel>I'm trying to compile an intel8x0 module for ALSA but I can't make it work. Anyone still awake?
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02:41<jcdubacq>I am looking for package 2.6.23-1-k7 ?
02:41<jcdubacq>sorry linux-image-2.6.23-1-k7
02:41<jcdubacq>my mirror has 2.6.23-1-686 and k7 is only up to 2.6.22
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02:45<Ethaniel>I guess someone can help you, but most seems to be sleeping. And I'm here for a question too, so....
02:45<Ethaniel>Guess I'll be back tomorrow.
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02:47<panthera>jcdubacq: k7 flavour is deprecated for 2.6.23 and newer; use 686.
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02:52<jcdubacq>were there release notes somewhere ?
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02:53<panthera>jcdubacq: there are no release notes for unreleased releases.
02:54<jcdubacq>ok. Maybe some note in linux-2.6-image would have been a good idea
02:54<jcdubacq>or something
02:54<jcdubacq>the pseudo packages for k7 still point at 2.6.22
02:55<panthera>this is fixed in the upcoming 2.6.24 packages.
02:57<jcdubacq>maybe I should wait for these. The kernel will be (unless there is a major security hole) fixed for at least three months at work (I am the one in charge of deciding which one goes in)
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03:06<Le_Vert>is there anyway to send ctrl alt del on minicom ?
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03:10<blarson>Le_Vert: no
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03:47<Slydder>hey all. while working on a vserver guest I want to do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but when doing the apt-get upgrade I error out at the end when trying to upgrade the udev package. is there a way for me to tell apt-get to ignore that package all together so it won't try and update it?
03:48<devil_>Slydder: set it om hold
03:49<Slydder>in the apt.conf?
03:49<hathe>Slydder: or remove it
03:50<devil_>Slydder: echo udev hold|dpkg --set-selections
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03:52<Slydder>devil: ok. just found the entry in the dpkg man page. thanks
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04:44<GhostlyDeath>Wow! it worked!
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04:46<bartm>GhostlyDeath: what worked ? the net split ?
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04:47<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: dirty bastarrrrrrrrruhh... ;)
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04:49<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex: I was busting some UNIX Pipes and making them leak =P
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05:14<panagos>where is dpkg?
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05:14<lupine_85>holiday time?
05:15<bartm>oops... 11 sec lag
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05:17<panagos>this nerwork is in utc?
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05:18<themill>dpkg: ping
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05:21<panagos>does anyone here happen to have an ati radeon saphhire hd 2400 pro? how can i install fglrx for it?
05:22<devil>fortunately not ;)
05:22<panagos>:( why are you people all so mad about ati?
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05:22<devil>panagos: no comment, i might loose my temper
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05:24<panagos>i mean, isn't their drivers also more open-source than nvidia's?
05:24<lupine_85>panagos: they're comitted to releasing open-source software, yes
05:24<lupine_85>unfortunately, their driver isn't very good
05:25<devil>panagos: besides that the problems arise if you need fglrx, might or might not work
05:25<themill>panagos: it used to be that their driver was really bad. It's getting better though. And they have not and will not release their driver as free software; they have only agreed to release their hardware specifications. There's a big difference.
05:25<devil>panagos: with nvidia 3d just works
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05:27<panagos>should i use the fglrx that come with debian, or should i use the installer?
05:27<devil>panagos: on the other hand nvidia still cant make use of RandR 1.2, which is a pity
05:27<panagos>ati's installer, that is
05:27<themill>panagos: but having said that, I'm using fglrx on this laptop quite happily. But I normally try to get intel chipsets.
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05:27<themill>!tell panagos about fglrx
05:27<themill>don't use their installer
05:27<themill>bah... no bot
05:27<panagos>dpkg is offline :|
05:27<themill>[10:27] <dpkg> The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
05:28<lupine_85>wow, still not updated to use xorg > 7.1?
05:28<lupine_85>or is it just that the drivers capable of doing so haven't made it into etch/lenny yet?
05:28<themill>lupine_85: hmmm... not sure.
05:29<themill>[10:28] <dpkg> methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
05:29<Le_Vert>no fglrx (at current version) works with latest debian xorg
05:29<Le_Vert>but it's full of crap
05:29<themill>panagos: ^^
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05:29<Le_Vert>and more crap if you run 64bits userland ;D
05:29*lupine_85 huggles his onboard nVidia for now
05:29*Le_Vert uses radeonhd :D
05:32<panagos>what is more, i'm using amd64
05:32<lupine_85>radeonhd? that's a new one on me
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05:32<Le_Vert>opensource driver by ati/novell
05:33<lupine_85>good stuff, I guess, despite novell having a hand in the pie
05:34<Le_Vert>2d just works
05:34<Le_Vert>that's all I need :p
05:34<lupine_85>lol@version "1.0.0": No 2D & 3D acceleration, no XVideo yet. No TV, Component, and HDMI yet.
05:34<lupine_85>doesn't sound like a 1.0 to me
05:35<Le_Vert>but amd64 + fglrx (not the last one, one version older) + debian etch
05:35<Le_Vert>=> no way to play video (flickering)
05:35<Le_Vert>=> no more 1680x1050 resolution (but fixed in latest release, a few days ago)
05:35<Le_Vert>fglrx is a real pain
05:36<Le_Vert>(the first bug seems to only appears on x86_64)
05:36<Le_Vert>so if you're using an i386 system with latest fglrx driver
05:36<Le_Vert>it MAY work
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05:53<Jinx>is there a relatively easy way to configure sendmail? its proving to be a pitch for me...
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05:53<Jinx>pitch = bitch
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05:56<Le_Vert>aptitude install postfix
05:56<audunm>is there any way to make the debian installer continue after installing the base system manually (using debootstrap)?
05:57<petemc>what do you want it to do?
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05:58<audunm>continue with the next step (Configure the package manager)
05:58<petemc>just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
05:59<petemc>in answer to your question, i dont know any way to do what you want
05:59<petemc>you used to be able to run base-config , but thats not the case any more
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06:00<panagos>which is better, to install fglrx from debian, or use the ati installer? or maybe generate debian packages with installer, and install those?
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06:03<witte>panagos: I would say use the debian versino
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06:04<witte>!tell panagos about fglrx
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06:04<witte>!tell panagos about fglrx 2.6.21
06:04<panagos>fglrx-* says it is version 8.44.3-1, while the ati installer says 8.1! which is newest?
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06:05<panagos>witte: dpkg is offline :|
06:05<witte>dpkg: hello
06:05<dpkg>hi, witte
06:05<witte>panagos: he is not ;-)
06:05<panagos>it's back!
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06:11<the-dude>witte: is your computer running stable now?
06:11<witte>the-dude: no, same thing remains
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06:12<witte>it is really strange, I think it is time to spend some money :(
06:12<audunm>how can I change apt to use testing instead of etch. editing /etc/apt/sources.list replacing etch with testing produces "couldn't stat source package list"
06:13<witte>the-dude: the strangest thing: if I moved my graphics card to an other pci sloth, and changed the xorg.conf accordingly, the system would hand
06:13<Jinx>Le_Vert: problem is that i need to run it with php, which only supports sendmail (gotto check if there is a rapper for that tho)
06:14<witte>the-dude: so i really think it is the motherboard that is slowly dying
06:14<witte>audunm: upload your sources.list to a pastebin
06:14<themill>Jinx: php supports any mta that has a /usr/sbin/sendmail. This included exim and postfix.
06:14<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
06:14<Jinx>ah, ic
06:14<Jinx>i'll give it a shot :)
06:15<witte>!tell audunm about etch->lenny
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06:20<seanius>witte: btw i saw you telling someone to run "compiz --replace gconf && kde-window-decorator" earlier... that shouldn't be necessary on testing/unstable
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06:20<seanius>just install compiz-kde and run "compiz" instead
06:21<themill>also a slightly older version in (untried by me though....)
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06:22<witte>the-dude: ok, that was another full stop
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06:23<the-dude>witte: with a default driver?
06:23<witte>the-dude: no, not this time, i got back to the open source radeon driver
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06:27<the-dude>and that works?
06:27<witte>the-dude: they both work equally well
06:28<witte>the-dude: i really think it is hardware related as it also hung on grml
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06:30<witte>the-dude: and the MB is maybe 5 years old so it could be that something is broken (although i do not see any capacitors that are to thick out)
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06:32<panagos>i'm using xserver-xorg/unstable. i try to run aticonfig --initial, but it reports: Data incomplete in file xorg.conf \n Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen". i have already done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
06:33<panagos>i think i'll be trying with the ati installer...
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06:34<yourself>panagos, did u edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
06:34<panagos>yourself: no, i left it as generated by dpkg-reconfigure
06:35<panagos>what should i fill in?
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06:35<yourself>i have no idea... but i had the problem with similar message when i had edited that file
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06:36<yourself>what do u have written in it?
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06:37<panagos>yourself: you want the paste?
06:38<yourself>yes, try private chat
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06:42<Jinx>darn... stupid firewall rules ruining my fun!
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06:46<Lynoure>Jinx: Things could be worse: if it were a smart firewall, it would do it on purpose.
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06:49<Jinx>i'm glad its not. if it were i'd have to shoot it
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06:53<panagos>i'm going now to install the packages generated from the ati installer. should i first uninstall the debian packages?
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06:55<yourself>can anybody help me with invalid encoding in audicious?
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07:04<creeed>void lock (int id) {
07:04<creeed>while (turn!=id){
07:04<creeed>while (blocked[1-id]);
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07:04<creeed>oups sorry
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07:05<creeed>this algorithm should be called by 2 Threads with the Id's 1 or 0
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07:06<padski>creeed, what doe sthis have to do with #debian ?
07:07<themill>creeed: this isn't looking like something that #debian will help you with.... #c perhaps?
07:07<creeed>padski, good question!
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07:08<creeed>can someone just tell me what happend in statement N 4
07:08<Gekz>my god.
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07:09<creeed>Debian & c were all the time friends, really!
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07:11<dpkg>[homework] something you should do yourself
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07:15<creeed>you'r right, I'll get it ;)
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07:18<bjoern1102>Hallo , kann mir jemand bei einem Problem helfen?
07:19<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:43<bjoern1102>how the german-speak channel names
07:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:43<lupine_85>snap :/
07:43*witte types faster than his shadow :P
07:44<lupine_85>actually, you type at the same speed, you just start slightly sooner :p
07:45<HennaX>any idea why totem is missing a plugin to play DVDs although libdvdcss2 is installed?
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07:45<HennaX>the gstreamer related packages are also installed
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07:48<dpkg>somebody said dvd was use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. see <dvd playback troubleshooting>
07:49<HennaX>!dvd playback troubleshooting
07:49<dpkg>methinks dvd playback troubleshooting is dvd playback works better with a direct rendering layer (shm or xv) running within X and dma turned on for your drive. You will probably need dvd decoding software, so ask me about <debian-multimedia>. You probably need to set a region on the drive too, even if you are going to use deCSS for non-region discs (package regionset). Also see
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07:49<padski>libdvdread3 ?
07:50<HennaX>also installed
07:50<themill>libdvdnav4, libdvd0, libdvdplay0?
07:52<HennaX>installed now, still moaning
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07:53<themill>I've never tried totem... i use xine
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07:54<themill>is there an error message?
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07:55<HennaX>yeah, it says "cannot play this type of media (DVD) ... go to the totem website and read about codecs"
07:55<HennaX>but all packages and codecs that are mentioned seem to be installed
07:56<themill>helpful :( do you get anything more if you run if from a terminal?
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07:57<HennaX>ah, very good to remind me on proper troubleshooting procedures. i am too nervous cause i cant show the DVD to my mate :-)
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07:58<devil>HennaX: ffmpeg can do most things nowadays
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07:58<witte>HennaX: maybe you can install w32codecs from debian-multimedia?
07:59<HennaX>witte: installed like ffmpeg
08:00<devil>HennaX: libdvdcss2?
08:00<matth>do you guys now of a clean way to enforce the following policy on a regular debian unstable system : "every removable device is mounted read-only" ? (basic stack here is udev/hal/{gnome-volume-manager,pmount-hal,whatever speaks with hal}
08:00<HennaX>devil: also installed :-)
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08:00<devil>HennaX: tried vlc?
08:00<HennaX>not yet, will do now
08:00<witte>HennaX: did you try an other player? (sorry, I was not really following up to recently)
08:00<HennaX>will try vlc now
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08:01<matth>hint: I was looking to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi, and esp. volume.policy.mount_option key attribute. But that seems deprecated in libhal
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08:03<HennaX>VLC works!
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08:04<themill>HennaX: good to hear. Wonder why totem doesn't.... :(
08:05<HennaX>yeah, will try to investigate later when my mate went home
08:05<HennaX>thanks a lot so far guys
08:05<matth>/join debian-wizard :$
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08:16<zukalk>hello. i'm using lenny, and it's been two days (i believe that was when i last dist-upgraded) since i can't log into GNOME. i've been using E17. i created a dummy user to see if i could log into GNOME and i could. can anyone give me some advice?
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08:18<witte>zukalk: move away your .gnome2 directory to .gnome2_old and try again
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08:18<zukalk>witte, i did that with .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome_private and .gnome2_private at the same time
08:19<witte>zukalk: you can also look in ~/.xsession-errors to see what the problem is
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08:19<witte>zukalk: it did not work?
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08:19<witte>zukalk: maybe also .gconf and .gconfd?
08:19<zukalk>witte: no. by the way, when i try to login, i can see two gnome-panels starting to load just before i'm taken back to the gdm login screen
08:19<zukalk>witte: tried those too
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08:21<witte>zukalk: you can also have a look in /var/log/gdm.log
08:24<zukalk>witte: hm... i'm having some nvidia errors. Failed to initialise the GLX module and so on. but that could be for the same reason gnome apps crash (when i checked .xsession-errors)
08:25<zukalk>witte: i'm using Beryl (beryl and emerald --replace are in my gnome-session startup tab). but these are disabled when i use GNOME Failsafe, right?
08:25<witte>zukalk: I do not know anything about beryl
08:26<witte>zukalk: isn't that replaced by compiz btw
08:26<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. or
08:26<zukalk>witte: compiz gave me some cpu usage issues
08:27<witte>zukalk: never tried either of them
08:27<devil>compiz-fusion its is
08:27<devil>moving into unstable (parts of it)
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08:30<devil>we have a functioning compiz repo with latest stuff
08:31<zukalk>devil, for sid or lenny?
08:31<devil>zukalk: sid
08:31<zukalk>devil: too bad
08:31<zukalk>using lenny here
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08:32<bjoern1102>wie komm ich da nochmal drauf
08:32<devil>next door ;)
08:32<devil>bjoern1102: /j
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08:33<zukalk>isn't there a way to debug gnome's loading?
08:34<devil>zukalk: sry, dont use gnome at all
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08:53<themill>zukalk: "tail -f ~/.xsession-errors" should help
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09:14<creeed>I exported at work a proxy-configuration, I should unset this configuration anytime if I want get back my direct connection, how can I purge the exported proxy-configuration at all?
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09:27<padski>"They worshipped wooden idols."
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09:53<RiG0R-M0R7i5>quick question.. can u run opengl games properly with compiz/aiglx, or do i need to use xgl to make it work (DISPLAY=:0 or 1 or whatever)
09:54<zobel>u can run no games.
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09:56<RiG0R-M0R7i5>oh well, looks like its back to xgl then, or just forget compiz altogether ;-)
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09:57<dpkg>from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see, or deprecated and unsupported
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09:57<padski>I dunno, but I read that as "deprecated and unsupported"
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09:58<themill>padski: what's dpkg on about?
09:58<witte>esfap: hi, you can just state your question...
09:58<padski>themill, dunno :-)
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09:59<esfap>hola a todos
09:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:59<esfap>bueno es mi primera vez por estos lares espero aprender muchas cosas
09:59<themill>!factinfo xgl
09:59<dpkg>xgl -- last modified at Mon Oct 8 15:59:23 2007 by azeem!; it has been requested 36 times, last by padski, 2m 40s ago.
09:59<esfap>ok gracias
10:00<themill>padski: perhaps ask azeem next time we see him
10:00<padski>themill, I take it xgl is not "deprecated and unsupported" then :-)
10:00<themill>padski: not that I know of!
10:00<themill>experimental and largely unsupported I'd almost buy though
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10:00<dpkg>well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see, or deprecated and unsupported
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10:03<padski>It does seem as if aiglx is what is being implemented, even if xgl is "the future"
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10:04<themill>meh... I use my computers for work not for flashy 3D rubbish
10:05<RiG0R-M0R7i5>i use my hands for work, my computer for killing time
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10:05<RiG0R-M0R7i5>flashy 3d rubbish kills heaps of it too
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10:08<yuv>have someone encountered errors updating "dpkg" from the unstable dist ?
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10:11<devil>yuv: installed fine in sid itself
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10:11<witte>yuv: you should consider install apt-listbugs
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10:13<yuv>thank you ! i am downloading apt-listbugs at the moment P:
10:14<themill>apt-listchanges is good too
10:15<yuv>themill: (:
10:15<witte>themill: indeed it is, I forgot about that one, installing it now
10:15<themill>it can be overload on lenny or sid boxes though
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10:16<witte>themill: you can read everything, but you don't have to :-)
10:17<themill>yes. i normally read the NEWS summary and hope the maintainer was nice to me :)
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10:29<DTE>hi all
10:30<DTE>is it possibile to pass some custom option to mkfs.ext3 to debian installer?
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10:31<seanius>DTE: if not you can always do it yourself from an installer shell
10:31<DTE>yes...that waht i tought
10:31<weasel>OOI, which option?
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10:33<DTE>maybe some of you has a hp raid ocntroller?
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10:37<DTE>uhm...well...mkfs died :-(
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11:18<Woet>Hello. For once im here for a suggestion, not with a question. Im having my own gameserver company running on debian, and apart from apache2, php5 and mysqlserver there is nothing running.
11:18<Woet>Are there any points i should think about for security?
11:18<Woet>For every customer there will be an UNIX user (adduser) with /home/username where his gameserver files are.
11:19<Woet>And with proFTPd they are able to upload/delete files in their home directory.
11:20<padski>!securing debian
11:20<dpkg>it has been said that securing debian is at
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11:22<Woet>thanks, i will spend some time on that :)
11:23<Woet>and how can i make sure users cannot upload/edit/delete certain files in their home directory?
11:23<Woet>they are allowed to chmod, but not on those files
11:23<Woet>nor are they allowed to delete it
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11:23<seanius>Woet: i would gamble that your biggest liability is a publically accessible php web interface
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11:24<Woet>seanius: You mean files accesable which shouldnt be accesable via HTTP?
11:24<seanius>also i'm not a huge fan of proftpd, it has a rather spotty security history (i prefer vsftpd myself, but i don't know if that would cut it for your needs)
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11:24<achapela>someone with idea about LVM2 ??
11:25<Woet>well, i basicly need to be able to add users to a FTP server, and lock them in their home directory
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11:25<Woet>could i PM you about certain points seanius ?
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11:25<seanius>Woet: i mean a php web application that's publically accessible is probably the most likely point of entry on a system
11:25<Woet>ah, i see.
11:26<seanius>i.e. a shoddy webapp can be used for leveraging everythign else
11:26<seanius>Woet: i'd prefer not to be pm'd (and am leaving from $work shortly anyway)
11:26<Woet>yea, well, i think that the security is fine by that
11:26<xu14p4h_>hi guys
11:26<Woet>and how to do the file permissions, like i asked a moment ago?
11:26<Woet>certain files not allowing to be deleted/overwritten/chmodded
11:27<xu14p4h_>TUX is the king!
11:27<xu14p4h_>baah ;P
11:27<seanius>create them with a different owner?
11:27<Woet>how to change the ownership of a file again?
11:28<Woet>something like that, i keep forgetting :(
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11:28<Woet>ah, yea
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11:28*seanius referes woet to the fine manpages for chown and chmod
11:28<Woet>yea, i forgot chown
11:28<Woet>i knew it had somethign to do with the circus (clown)
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11:30<blarson>chown won't make the files undeletable. chattr +i might.
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11:33<Woet>well, if a file is owner of root\
11:33<Woet>and a user called 'peter' is logged in into the FTp
11:33<Woet>FTP *
11:33<the-dude>Woet: try chmod 700 and chown $user
11:33<Woet>he cant delete that file, right?
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11:34<Woet>ah, k :)
11:34<Woet>thanks in advance, gotta go now
11:34<the-dude>Woet: or try to set up a jail
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11:34<the-dude>Woet: snel snel ;)
11:34<Woet>missed my bus already, no rush for me :)
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11:35<the-dude>Woet: just add a user chown the dir for the user and chmod 700 that does the trick
11:35<blarson>Woet: If the user has write access to the directory, he can delete any file in it. Unless your FTP server enforces something else.
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11:36<the-dude>there are just so many ways to fix this problem :)
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11:37<Kebianizao|work>I have installed php5 and cherokee, I did a sample php file and worked, but the charset seems wrong, is it cherokee problem or php? how do I change it?
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11:38<the-dude>Kebianizao|work: try reading the information phpinfo gives :)
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11:39<Kebianizao|work>thanks the-dude, I'm totally newbie to web servers and php
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11:45<padski>asterisk mohmp3 ?
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11:47<Kebianizao|work>the-dude: iconv module?
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11:49<padski>what is wrong with this picture: "/usr/share/pixmaps/shermans/sounds/mp3/manybubbles.mp3"
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11:50<Kebianizao|work>padski: you kidding? that's not likely a picture
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11:52<Kebianizao|work>the-dude: cgi/php.ini:;default_charset :)
11:52<Kebianizao|work>by default is iso-8859-1, which is not consistent with debian policy AFAIK
11:53<Kebianizao|work>everything should be utf-8, right?
11:53<padski>Kebianizao|work, I like deathscream.mp3 :-)
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11:54<Kebianizao|work>padski: mp3 usually are not pictures, but mp3 :O
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11:56<padski>Kebianizao|work, full marks. this is what is wrong with that picture: FHS violation! and what do we do to FHS violators !? ...
11:56<padski>we send them PATCHES!
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11:57*Neo_ notes never accept PATCHES from padski
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12:06<muhkuh>how can i run that compiz stuff??
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12:06<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: install them and run compiz
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12:07<dest>hi everyone
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12:08<muhkuh>then i get an error about.:/usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension
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12:09<kintrix>hola a todos
12:09<muhkuh>(gtk-window-decorator:17236): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
12:09<devil>muhkuh: composite needs to be enabled in yer xorg.conf
12:09<muhkuh>what does that mean?
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12:09<kintrix>cual es el canal de debian en español?
12:09<muhkuh>ok and how
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12:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:10<devil>Section "Extensions"
12:10<devil> Option "Composite" "1"
12:10<devil># Option "RENDER" "0"
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12:10<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: you need 3d acceleration enabled
12:11<Kebianizao|work>!tell devil about paster
12:11<devil>Kebianizao|work: how many lines are ok?
12:11<muhkuh>but i allready run doom3 so i guess izt iss on isnt ist?
12:11<Kebianizao|work>I would say 2
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12:11<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: glxinfo |grep direct
12:12<devil>Kebianizao|work: fine, we have a limit of 4 in our channel, but max 130 visitors ;)
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12:12<muhkuh>direct rendering yes
12:12<themill>devil: you can get away with 3 or 4 sometimes, but if you're already typed something as well just beforehand then that looks like paste too. So your last thing probably looked like 5 lines.
12:13<themill>devil: on freenode where there are 900 people, 1 line is pretty much the sanity limit.
12:13<muhkuh>why is that such a problem if someone writes more
12:13<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: you have to enable the composite extension as devil pointed you
12:13<muhkuh>takes it too much space?
12:15<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: it's an xorg extension, you have it already installed
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12:17<muhkuh>can'T find that extension wehere do i have to look
12:17<devil>themill: yeah, no prob, thxx for headups
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12:18<devil>muhkuh: you manualy add what i gave you
12:18<devil>muhkuh: all 4 lines
12:18<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: edit the file xorg.conf as devil told you
12:18<devil>at the end of xorg.conf
12:18<Kebianizao|work>if you can't paste the file and we will complete it
12:19<muhkuh>yes but where is the conf
12:19<devil>muhkuh: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:19<muhkuh>thats what i needed =)
12:19<devil>muhkuh: must be edited as root
12:22<muhkuh>ok i did it
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12:23<muhkuh>what would i do without this channnel ^^
12:24<muhkuh>am i able to run it now?
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12:25<muhkuh>gotta find it first ??
12:25<Kebianizao|work>you already had before
12:25<muhkuh>got it again : D
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12:26<muhkuh>GTK window decotarot warning
12:26<Kebianizao|work>did it run?
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12:27<muhkuh>no: locale not supportet by C library
12:27<Kebianizao|work>could you paste the full log?
12:27<Kebianizao|work>with the command as well, please
12:27<muhkuh>of coure if im allowed
12:28<muhkuh>(gtk-window-decorator:17614): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
12:28<muhkuh>/usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension
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12:28<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: please, use a paster and include the command
12:29<Kebianizao|work>!tell muhkuh about paste
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12:31<muhkuh>ok did that at
12:32<Kebianizao|work>please tell us the url
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12:34<Kebianizao|work>muhkuh: you need to restat X
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12:41<Wesley>Hi. I did an iptable -F, and somehow that blocked ALl internet access
12:41<Wesley>isn't -F suposed to flush all rules?
12:41<Kebianizao|work>how do I teach the bot? I would like to explain exact instructions for pasting
12:42<Ganneff>Wesley: sure. including all those you might need to get out.
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12:42<Ganneff>Wesley: like, if you did it for -t nat too then also for all the masquerading.
12:42<Ganneff>also, if default policy is drop then you also lost.
12:42<Wesley>Ganneff; currently ipables -L show no rules at all.. yet internet access is still blocked
12:42<padski>Kebianizao|work, what is wrong with the existing !paste instructions ?
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12:43<Wesley>is there anywhere else to look at?
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12:43<Ganneff>Wesley: default polkicies is a good start
12:43<Kebianizao|work>padski: it's not saying that after pasting you need to place the url back in the channel
12:44<Wesley>Ganneff, where do I find those? dont mind google'ing just not sure what to search for
12:44<padski>Kebianizao|work, it is not explaining how to use a mouse either.
12:44<Ganneff>iptables -L shows them
12:44<Wesley>Ah yes that I know..but everything there is empty
12:45<Ganneff>and? look at Policy
12:45<Wesley>policy DROP
12:45<Ganneff>see. there.
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12:45<Ganneff>open your eyes and it jumps in. :)
12:45<Wesley>I see what you mean now sorry
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12:45<Kebianizao|work>padski: it's a common error for people not used to use pasters, I don't think stating it would hurt
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12:46<padski>Kebianizao|work, perhaps. how well read will a longer factoid be ?
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12:46<themill__>dpkg: paste is also Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:46<dpkg>is also Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!: put your output on so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
12:47<Kebianizao|work>padski: that's a point to think
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12:48<padski>paste is also something you put up wallpaper with ;-)
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12:48<Wesley>Thx Ganneff! :)
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12:48<themill__>Kebianizao|work: something really short on the end is doable.... but I'm going to need to think about my bot-fu a little more to be able to do it. (You've picked one of the hardest factoids to edit... as you've just seen)
12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:51<themill__>Kebianizao|work, padski: ^^ happy?
12:51<padski>yeah cool :-)
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12:53<Kebianizao|work>themill__: I don't have much idea about bots and factoids as you've jsut seen
12:53<Kebianizao|work>the-dude: great :D
12:53<Kebianizao|work>sry, themill__^
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13:01<azeem>padski, themill__: who is working on xgl?
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13:01<padski>azeem, in debian ? in the world ?
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13:03<dpkg>well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see, or deprecated and unsupported
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13:04<themill__>azeem: ^^ deprecated and unsupported? does that sound right to you?
13:04<themill__>!factinfo xgl
13:04<dpkg>xgl -- last modified at Mon Oct 8 15:59:23 2007 by azeem!; it has been requested 40 times, last by themill__, 26s ago.
13:04<azeem>themill__: what's not right about it?
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13:05<themill__>azeem: well, "deprecated and unsupported" don't sound consistent with your answer that people both in and out of debian are working on it, that's all.
13:06<themill__>figured you might know what was the real story, since you had written the original factoid ;)
13:06<azeem>themill__: "last modified"
13:06<azeem>where did I answer that people both in and out of debian are working on it?
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13:07<themill__>azeem: gah.. sorry, read you're comment and padski's upside down. /me should take a break.
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13:07<themill__>should *really* take a break...
13:08<azeem>basically, I added the "deprecated and unsupported" bit to the factoid, and I haven't seen much evidence that this isn't the case
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13:08*bouke say Hai
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13:09<bouke>lo bremner, know i needed help ??? ;)
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13:09<themill__>azeem: OK. thanks for the update. So xgl never made it to a stable release and aiglx seems to have replaced it in mindshare stakes if nothing else.
13:09<bom>hh hvhduihjtyeujdudy7f
13:09<azeem>themill__: AFAICT it got never merged into mainline
13:10<bremner>bouke: hi, just waiting for dinner to warm up
13:10<azeem>and it got abandoned by its author 2 years ago
13:10<padski>!ops bom troll
13:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: bom troll
13:10<azeem>bom: please write in english
13:10-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
13:10-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
13:10-!-mode/#debian [+q bom!*@*] by weasel
13:10-!-bom was kicked from #debian by mentor [bom]
13:10-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by mentor
13:10<padski>mentor, thanks
13:10<bouke>bremner i've already eaten :) waiting for gf to bring me some tea
13:10-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
13:10<@weasel>kickbanning is quiet severe.
13:10<themill__>weasel, mentor: thanks
13:10<bremner>bouke: wow, nice life :-)
13:11<bouke>bremner :) yeah but not for long i think
13:11<themill__>azeem: that fits with my recollections too. Cheers.
13:11-!-mode/#debian [-bqo *!*@ bom!*@* weasel] by weasel
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13:11<fatTONE>!ops weasel troll
13:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fattone complains about: weasel troll
13:11<azeem>fatTONE: please don't abuse the !ops factoid
13:11<bouke>bremner i made her pragnent ;) so the peace will be over soon
13:11-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
13:12-!-fatTONE was kicked from #debian by weasel [bye.]
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13:12-!-fatTONE was kicked from #debian by weasel [autorejoin.]
13:12<bremner>bouke: well, you're on your own there.
13:12<mentor>weasel: He joined this very moment, and has not in any way shown constructive channel presence. I see no need to maintainit.
13:12<bouke>bremner : hehehe :) yeah m8 i know :P
13:12<@weasel>mentor: silencing them usually suffices.
13:13*weasel shrugs
13:13<mentor>However, kb fatTONE would be quite severe
13:13<bouke>bremner : anyway's, have you got a solution or hint for vnc server on etch'y ?
13:13<@weasel>mentor: the kb is for the autorejoin
13:13<@weasel>mentor: not my fault if his irc client is broken
13:13<mentor>weasel: That's stupid.
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13:13<azeem>we never kickbanned people due to autorejoin here
13:13<@weasel>would you prefer a kline?
13:14<mentor>I would prefer you to ask him not to call ops unnecessarily
13:14<@weasel>kb is the only option if a kick doesn't help
13:14<bouke>bremner : when i type vncserver or vnc4server i only got annoying little screen with half gnome session
13:14<mentor>weasel: NO.
13:14<mentor>weasel: Talk first please.
13:14<bremner>bouke: I have no experience with vnc, but others in the channel use it, I think.
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13:14*weasel watches closely.
13:15<bouke>bremner : ok than i ask it global in a while, and how are you with apache ?
13:15-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
13:15<streuner>weasel: please discuss that in PM, it isnt helpful here...
13:15<@weasel>I don't appreciate what you just did btw.
13:15<streuner>mentor: ^^^
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13:15<streuner>.oO (trouble)
13:15*mentor nods
13:15<bremner>bouke: apache I know a little about. What are the symptoms?
13:16<azeem>the appropriate channel to discuss this is obviously #debian-ops
13:16<streuner>azeem: sure
13:16<bouke>bremner : got it configured with php and mysql, but when i connect i only seem to get .htacces
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13:18<benneben>what package am I missing?: "make: *** [build] Error 127"
13:18<streuner>what do you want to compile?
13:18<streuner>show us the whole message in please
13:18<benneben>trying to compile the ati-driver
13:19<streuner>!b-e benneben
13:19<dpkg>benneben: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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13:20<wo0f>yo* :X
13:20<benneben>I'm installing build-essential
13:20<wo0f>im using a php script that uses mail()
13:20<wo0f>and thus sendmail
13:21<wo0f>im just wondering if there is a wrapper for sendmail for exim?
13:22<benneben>I've installd build-essential, but still error 127
13:22<azeem>19:18 < streuner> show us the whole message in please
13:23<azeem>make: dh_testdir: Command not found
13:23<azeem>how about that?
13:24<themill__>weasel, mentor: trawling back through my channel logs, that last idiot has been repeatedly joining, asking a couple of questions, hitting dpkg for a couple of factoids and then parting on a regular basis. He never hands around to get the answers to questions so he's certainly not here for help.
13:24<mentor>themill__: Which one?
13:24<mc>wo0f: you can configure php to use smtp:localhost:25
13:24<benneben>azeem: sorry: n00b talking here :p
13:24<mc>however id expect exim to bring a sendmail wrapper
13:24<benneben>is that a package or something?
13:25<themill__>mentor: fatTONE. He comes in with a different nick and changes it a couple of times when on channel too.
13:25<azeem>benneben: no, it's a command
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13:25<azeem>benneben: /msg dpkg search on how to search for the corresponding package you need to install
13:25<themill__>wo0f: there shouldn't be anything to configure at the php end. You will obviously need to configure exim to deliver the mail, however.
13:25<streuner>mc was right, debhelper
13:26*streuner thought debhelper was essential
13:26<mentor>themill__: I don't necessarily see that as being a banning or kicking offence, as it could easily be ascribed to incompetence.
13:26<mentor>themill__: I think having a word may be in order though.
13:27<mentor>themill__: Thank you though
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13:29<themill__>mentor: Just thought you guys might like some of the back story on this guy. Personally, I doubt that /join, ask a long question about dhclient, call up a bitchx factoid and then part within 15 seconds is just incompetence ;) But it's not my call.
13:29<muhkuh>hi there again
13:29<mentor>themill__: 15 seonds?
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13:30<muhkuh>messed up my GUI again ^^
13:30<benneben>azeem: thx: .deb has been successfully generated
13:30<muhkuh>now i lost what i added to the xorg.conf....
13:30<muhkuh>for running compiz
13:31<mentor>themill__: I only saw him as being here for quite a while; did I miss something?
13:31<themill__>mentor: sorry, 25s for that one. From [Thu Jan 17 2008] [21:55:03] UTC if you've got logs around.
13:31<themill__>mentor: he's been coming and going a bit for days, it seems.
13:32<muhkuh>the Section Extension...
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13:34<muhkuh>u're the best thanks =)
13:35<mentor>themill__: Meh, my logs don't have it. It has been noted, though.
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13:36<themill__>mentor: happy to be of service :)
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13:38<muhkuh>how can i restart the X without rebooting?
13:38<devil>muhkuh: ctrl - alt - backspace
13:38<@weasel>stop it, start it?
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13:39<muhkuh>THAT is a restart allready? nice^^
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13:41<muhkuh>this time my GUI's still alive =)
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13:42<allgood>hi folks...
13:42<allgood>is there any routing guru here?
13:42<allgood>i need a little help with the tc tool
13:43<muhkuh>another trouble ^^
13:43<allgood>i must use both fw and u32 classifier on the same "tc filter"
13:43<allgood>(or a u32 rule that does the same thing as fw)
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13:47<muhkuh>what if i install kde and X chrashes? can i restore the default settings the same way then? (in xorg.conf)?
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13:47<muhkuh>love KDE but i am afraid of the trouble it may causes
13:47<devil>muhkuh: try starting compiz as user with compit --replace
13:47<muhkuh>because i got imoprtant data on my / filesystem
13:48<devil>muhkuh: backup would be a possible way to solve that ;)
13:48<devil>*compiz --replace
13:49<muhkuh>of course bzut the fear stay : D
13:49<muhkuh>i'm afraid of anything that changes my config
13:49<muhkuh>but i cant let it be =)
13:50<devil>muhkuh: think of it as this: you learn
13:50<muhkuh>it works : D
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13:50<muhkuh>that is exactly what i want =)
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13:50<devil>muhkuh: as soon as things are done right, they tend to work, at least in debian ;)
13:50<muhkuh>learning by damaging : D
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13:54<benneben>can't get my ati-card working:
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13:59<muhkuh>oh man i had it but then all windows laged and i ebooted now everything is like before
13:59<muhkuh>should i try to run compiz replace again?
14:00<muhkuh>could it be an old driver?
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14:02<devil>muhkuh: compiz --replace starts it, it does not start with the system by default
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14:03<muhkuh>ah so i gotta star it everytime i reboot
14:03<muhkuh>ok i'll give it another try
14:04<muhkuh>same problem the window ends at the menubar
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14:04<muhkuh>when i move it now i it will crash or such
14:05<muhkuh>could it depent on the graphic drive?
14:05<devil>muhkuh: sure
14:05<muhkuh>how can i stop compiz now?
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14:06<nottre>devil you have to make settings in -- system --- session --- and start programs --- make a new add with your comand compiz --replace to start compiz on system start
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14:07<muhkuh>how can i sptop it now
14:08<nottre>to stop it -- write in terminal .... killall compiz
14:08<nottre>i think
14:08<nottre>try it
14:08<devil>nottre: i know, i dont really use it, i just dug into it for a client of mine
14:08<muhkuh>but it didn#t finish yet it is still open in terminal
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14:09<devil>muhkuh: ctrl-c
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14:09<nottre>ps aux | grep compiz and look for the PID and kill the pid
14:09<nottre>kill PID
14:11<muhkuh>is it the 3646 0.0.....?
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14:12<muhkuh>cant move the window to see its end 1^^
14:12<nottre>than wirte kill 3646
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14:15<muhkuh>doesnt work
14:15<muhkuh>no sush process
14:15<muhkuh>an it i type the hole one
14:15<mentor>killall -TERM compiz
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14:15<muhkuh>arguments must be process or job ID's
14:15<Supaplex>~kill compiz
14:15*dpkg rips compiz open with a rusty dagger
14:16<Supaplex>heh. SIGRUSTYDAGGER. I'll have to remember that one.
14:17<muhkuh>ph man i made the font bigger
14:17<muhkuh>with ctrl +
14:17<muhkuh>how to get it normal again?
14:18<muhkuh>cant see the edges of the window
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14:19<muhkuh>haha got it
14:19<muhkuh>ctrl -
14:20<muhkuh>sounds logic
14:20<muhkuh>display all 1926 possibilities?
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14:20<muhkuh>lot of things to look through
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14:22<muhkuh>no compiz in it..
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14:23<azeem>muhkuh: what is your actual problem?
14:24<muhkuh>i'm running compiz now but cant move the window can't see above the men?bar cant even stop it ^^
14:24<muhkuh>searching fot a new graph driver now
14:24<azeem>what do you mean with "above the menubar"?
14:25<muhkuh>the thing where you can clcick on to nminimize or so on
14:26<azeem>and why can't you see above it?
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14:26<azeem>or do you mean "I can't see the menubar which should be above the window, but isn't"?
14:26<muhkuh>cause it is not displayed
14:27<azeem>so basically, when you run compiz --replace, all the window decorations disappear?
14:27<muhkuh>just at the starting of compiz when i first move a window
14:27<azeem>when you start, or when you first move?
14:27<muhkuh>when i move
14:28<devil>muhkuh: is that ati or nvidia?
14:28<muhkuh>at first i can see the animation then it goes standing still
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14:30<muhkuh>i can only see 3 lines of thin conversation ^^
14:30<Clumsy_Root>muhkuh: does anything happen if you change the decorator via ccsm?
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14:31<muhkuh>control center?
14:32<muhkuh>i'm looking
14:32<Clumsy_Root>i think the gnome decorator for compiz is gnome-window-decorator
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14:33<muhkuh>in the gnome control center?
14:34<Clumsy_Root>nope, in ccsm
14:34<muhkuh>the window appeared over start button i hope im right here cause i can get nowhere else now via GUI ^^
14:35<Clumsy_Root>well, you're supposed to be in ccsm
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14:35<Clumsy_Root>although, to be perfectly frank: i still find compiz unusable, myself.
14:35<roam>Does anybody know how to use two volumegroups (lvm) with the same name?
14:36<roam>I'm trying to access data on a disk via usb adapter and the vg has the same name as the system vg.
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14:36<devil>Clumsy_Root: it is still quite buggy, agreed
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14:36<Clumsy_Root>yo devil
14:37<devil>Clumsy_Root: and its obsolete in any case ;)
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14:37<Clumsy_Root>devil: it is? Oo what's the replacement then?
14:37<devil>Clumsy_Root: with obsolete i mean not needed, unproductive crap ;)
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14:38<Clumsy_Root>devil: fair enough :D i mostly see it as a hook for windows users easily attracted by shiny things, myself.
14:38<muhkuh>cant ever run alt+f2
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14:38<devil>Clumsy_Root: we have a unstable shame repo with latest stuff, its impressive for half an hour...
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14:39<Clumsy_Root>devil: and frustrating for the next quarter wasted in trying to get things to work again.
14:39<devil>Clumsy_Root: yep, to show them stuff they wont have in 5 years
14:39<muhkuh>i'd liker to have that nice time too =)
14:39<devil>muhkuh: not so easy with ati afaik
14:40<Clumsy_Root>devil: i'm actually starting to think there's a very specific reason to why MS hasn't added anything like that yet <.<
14:40<muhkuh>switching to console is possible
14:40<devil>Clumsy_Root: because they could not steal it yet? ;)
14:40<devil>muhkuh: do as user in console: ccsm
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14:41<Clumsy_Root>devil: more like because they don't want to add unstable, stolen code to their current collection of half-stable, wobbly as heck code. :D
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14:41<devil>Clumsy_Root: could it do much harm? i havnt had to play with vista yet
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14:42<muhkuh>comand not found
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14:42<Clumsy_Root>devil: in truth, vista already has stolen stuff in that regard. the much touted about aero interface sounds like a fancy decorator to me
14:42<devil>muhkuh: well, i dont know where you got your compiz
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14:44<Clumsy_Root>devil: although, vista already has its fair deal of problems, and a robbed cube would only add to the lack of fun in getting things up and running.
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14:45<muhkuh>back again without compiz
14:45<muhkuh>the version i got is: 0.2.2-1
14:45<Clumsy_Root>that's old.
14:45<muhkuh>all i get is old
14:46<Clumsy_Root>old, and yet unstable nonetheless.
14:46<muhkuh>don't know where u alway get that fresh nu stuff =)
14:46<Clumsy_Root>muhkuh: external repos
14:46<Clumsy_Root>muhkuh: come to think about it, are you running debian etch or lenny?
14:46<devil>muhkuh: o.6.999 here
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14:47<muhkuh>i search half of the evening yesterday and that'S all i fonud
14:47<muhkuh>4.o ETCH
14:47<Clumsy_Root>ah, that explains things
14:47<Clumsy_Root>i couldn't get compiz to work under etch for the life of me.
14:47<muhkuh>why is that
14:47<Clumsy_Root>had to upgrade to lenny in order for it to work, not sure if that's the same for everyone
14:48<muhkuh>how to upgrade?
14:48<Clumsy_Root>i think it has something to do with the xorg libs not supporting the compositioning resources needed by compiz
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14:48<Clumsy_Root>muhkuh: i'm not sure i would recommend that
14:49<Clumsy_Root>lennyfying an etch is often discouraged, it can lead to stability problems
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14:49<Clumsy_Root>i mean, i did it successfully, but i've had my share of luck
14:49<Clumsy_Root>and still i do get some quirks every now and then
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14:50<muhkuh>ok then i'll let it be
14:50<muhkuh>got enough trouble anywas ^^
14:51<Clumsy_Root>yeah, it's unstable software anyway; you'd only end up keeping it disabled after playing around with it a little
14:51<Clumsy_Root>but, here's what i recommend: get a live distro that comes with compiz prepackaged, like for example mandriva one
14:51<Clumsy_Root>that way you can play around with it without hampering your main install
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14:52<muhkuh>that's good
14:52<muhkuh>did not know it would end up like this
14:52<muhkuh>i never know^^
14:53<devil>muhkuh: asking first might be good advice in your case
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14:53<muhkuh>i know it my fault ^^
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14:56<Clumsy_Root>don't fret it, took me a while to figure it all out as well
14:56<devil>Clumsy_Root: right, steep learning curve at the beginning
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14:57<devil>muhkuh: stick to it, you get to the point saying: how could i work this box without it (debian that is)
14:57<Clumsy_Root>devil: and then it drops, just like a quadratic function.
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14:58<Clumsy_Root>by the way, devil: which distro among the main ones would you consider to be the most complete out there?
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14:59<Clumsy_Root>suse and feddy would seem like suitable competitors for debian, but i'm not sure which has the broadest repos
14:59<devil>Clumsy_Root: well, other than suse ages ago i always used debian unstable, i dont look around much
14:59<devil>Clumsy_Root: debian by far
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15:01<Clumsy_Root>devil: hopefully i won't stir up any dust here, but what about ubuntu? are its repos enhanced mirrors of debian, or did they trim stuff out of them?
15:01<devil>Clumsy_Root: unfortunately their packages are mostly not debian compatible
15:02<devil>Clumsy_Root: and small repo compared to debian
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15:02<Clumsy_Root>alright, chalk one up for deb then
15:02<sepski>Clumsy_Root, they are trimmed quite hard. and focus mainly on desktop packages
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15:03<Clumsy_Root>sepski: in other words, the linux idea of windows? :P
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15:03<devil>Clumsy_Root: only good thing i can say about it: they introduce a lot of win users to linux
15:04<Clumsy_Root>devil: yeah, that's what i noticed as well. on one hand i'm glad that linux is finally gaining its popularity
15:05<devil>Clumsy_Root: some of them stay, others move on
15:05<Clumsy_Root>but on the other hand i can see how "ubuntu" is becoming a blanket term for "linux", which i don't really like.
15:05<sepski>Clumsy_Root, one could say that. it tried to keep things on a pointy clickety administration. but they grow the idea of linux in the population so a good project (just not for me) ;)
15:05<sepski>i heard there was ubuntu cola now :P
15:05<sepski>dont know if it's related but...
15:05<Clumsy_Root>sepski: i agree completely :)
15:05<Clumsy_Root>ubuntu cola. O_o
15:05<muhkuh>does anyone know where to find the ip adress on windows vista
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15:06<Clumsy_Root>So, when you drink the Ubuntu Cola, are you now required to produce more cans of Cola for anyone who asks for it at your own expense (a la GPL)? hehe
15:06<Clumsy_Root>gotta love those goofy diggers.
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15:09<electron>anyone here have any familiarity with the Asus Eee PC?
15:09*Clumsy_Root lmfao's at the slew of GPL cola jokes on digg
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15:11<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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15:12<electron>i am trying to figure out how to remove unnecessary software packages on the Asus Eee Pc. Can anyone help?
15:12<electron>-that better
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15:13<electron>the OS on the Asus Eee is Xandros linux
15:13<devil>electron: you can put debian on it
15:13<devil>electron: lots of stuff on google
15:13<electron>thats not what I am asking
15:14<devil>electron: well, this is #debian channel
15:14<electron>xandros is a debian offshoot
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15:15<devil>electron: apt-get remove --purge is the normal way
15:15<ServerSide>Sometimes, especialy when i'm idle'ing (afk), my network card(wifi) looks like crash: I can't connect to any router anymore. The only way to have a connection, is to reboot my computer. But, at reboot, it tells me that GDM is segfaulting, I didn't know that it was related, anyone?
15:15<Clumsy_Root>electron: debian-based distros are not the same as debian, there are differences. usually they're incompatible, that's why you should ask on the official channel for your distro.
15:15<electron>so apt-get remove "name of program" ?
15:15<devil>electron: yes
15:15<electron>i tried asking there
15:15<electron>thanks devil
15:15<devil>electron: and --purge to get rid of the configs for it as well
15:16<electron>i asked here as a second resort - thanks very much
15:16<devil>electron: like i said, thats debian way, never seen xandros
15:16<electron>got ya
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15:16<Clumsy_Root>electron: if you want to know an easier method, check if there's synaptic on your distro. you can have a better overview of the packages that way
15:16<Maulkin>screenn: gdm is segfaulting?
15:17<Maulkin>erm... ServerSide ^^
15:17<electron>no synaptic on this distro
15:17<Maulkin>electron: you want to ask xandros then.
15:17<Clumsy_Root>try sudo apt-get install synaptic
15:17<ServerSide>Maulkin: yeah, at reboot
15:17<electron>maulkin - i asked on xandros
15:17<Clumsy_Root>if it doesn't have synaptic even on the repos, then it positively sucks. :D
15:17<ServerSide>anyway to see reboot logs?
15:17<Maulkin>electron: Good, then they'll answer you.
15:18<Maulkin>We can't help. Really.
15:18<electron>again, i am only asking here because no one answered on xandros, and xandros is based off debian
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15:18<Clumsy_Root>a likely connection, but as stated they're two different things
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15:19<electron>irc hasn't changed a bit. a bunch of snotty, wry remarks from people who sit in a channel all day
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15:19<Clumsy_Root>just to make an example, it's as if you bought a car based on another model and then went for maintenance under warranty at the original model's garage. they won't be able to help you
15:19<Maulkin>No, it's full of people who STILL don't read the topic.
15:19<Clumsy_Root>...what a clown O_o
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15:19<ServerSide>Maulkin: it's when i reboot that gdm is segfaulting, at halt, not at boot, so I must shoot on the OFF button
15:20<Maulkin>ServerSide: It could be a hardware problem. What version of debian are you running?
15:20<Maulkin>4.0? :)
15:20<ServerSide>in fact, idk .. mh.
15:20<Maulkin>Can you do 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' ?
15:21<Maulkin>Paste that line.
15:21<ServerSide>ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
15:21<Maulkin>Right, you're not on 4.0 then
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15:22<ServerSide>I'm on testing version, but with some unstable/experimental(kde4) packages
15:23<Maulkin>ServerSide: you're using stuff from experimental?
15:23<Maulkin>you know it's broken, right? :)
15:23<Maulkin>especially with kde4
15:23<ServerSide>well, kde4 is from experimental
15:24<ServerSide>yeah but... i already have this network prob with old kde's
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15:24<Maulkin>yes. Which is for software that is known to be broken.
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15:24<Maulkin>ServerSide: try #debian-kde.
15:24<muhkuh>man vistas config is invisible ^^
15:24<Maulkin>I assume network manager is doiung something special
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15:25<muhkuh>i hate it so much
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15:25<ServerSide>Maulkin: with all network managers, nm-applet, knetworkmanager etc-.
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15:25<Maulkin>That *will* cause problems then.
15:25<Maulkin>I'm not suprised it doesn't work
15:26<ServerSide>and when i try to modprobe -r ipw3945 to restart deamon, it just freezes the terminal.
15:26<ServerSide>"it" ?
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15:26<ServerSide>what doesn't work right?
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15:26<Maulkin>Practically your entire Debian installation
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15:27<ServerSide>nice.. mh.
15:27<Maulkin>You really shouldn't be pulling stuff from even unstable unless you know what you're doing.
15:27<ServerSide>mh, k -_-'
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15:31<ServerSide>Maulkin: well, what should I do now? :/
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15:32<Maulkin>ServerSide: backup your data and re-install?
15:32<Maulkin>ServerSide: you could also try #debian-kde.
15:32<ServerSide>yeah i did
15:32<Maulkin>Though that may or may not be much help if you're using experimental under testing...
15:33<Maulkin>ServerSide: I'd try upgrading entirely to unstable if you don't want to reinstall.
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15:33<ServerSide>i'm on testing
15:33<ServerSide>but with kde4 experi. package
15:33<Maulkin>No, you're not.
15:33<Maulkin>Well, ish.
15:33<Maulkin>It's broken. Very very broken :)
15:34<ServerSide>well, for the moment, it's enough stable
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15:34<ServerSide>i've just this prob, only.
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15:35<Maulkin>ServerSide: it may or may not be fixed at some point. I mean, kde4 isn't even going to be part of the next stable release.
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15:36<ServerSide>well.. k. Is next version programmed yet?
15:36<Maulkin>ServerSide: next version of what?
15:36<devil>wont even be in unstable for the next 6-9 months, except some libs
15:36*Maulkin nods
15:37<Maulkin>ServerSide: Erm... no, not all of it.
15:37<Andrico>I'm new to debian, and I don't quite understand apt-get.. how do I install x with apt-get?
15:37<lupine_85>apt-get install x
15:37<Maulkin>ServerSide: That question does lead me to think you don't really know how the process works, so I would strongly suggest you reinstall your computer with etch, and do NOT upgrade
15:37<lupine_85>apt-get install xserver-xorg
15:38<Maulkin>\o/ Got there eventually :)
15:38<ServerSide>i have to have testing
15:38<Maulkin>ServerSide: why?
15:38<devil>Andrico: does x stand for any program or the x-server?
15:38<Andrico>the x server
15:38<Andrico>it's installing
15:38<devil>Andrico: ok
15:38<ServerSide>I need it for compiling some progs I use
15:38<Maulkin>ServerSide: I doubt that.
15:39<Andrico>and will that come with gnome or kde or anything, or do I need to install those separately?
15:39<Maulkin>Andrico: that won't come with kde or gnome, you can get those with "aptitude install gnome"
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15:39<Maulkin>or aptitude install kde.
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15:39<Maulkin>Or xfce... :)
15:39<Maulkin>you may also need to install gdm, or kdm, or xdm
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15:40<Maulkin>ServerSide: what, in particular do you need that's in lenny but not etch?
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15:41<Andrico>what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
15:41<Supaplex>!why aptitude
15:41<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
15:41<ServerSide>apt-get = old but works quite good
15:41<Nero>kleine Frage: Welches Dateiformat verwendet ihr auf eurem versteckten vomume von truecrypt?
15:41<ServerSide>aptitude= next gen
15:41<Nero>habt ihr fat oder ntfs?
15:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:42<devil>Nero: du musst schon english reden, und nein, ext3
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15:43<Nero>danke wegen vonume statt volume?
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15:43<streuner>Nero: speak english, please.
15:43<devil>Andrico: aptitude works fine on stable, not so good with unstable
15:44<Nero>sorry wrong channel :-)
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15:44<Nero>my misstake
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15:44<devil>Nero: is down the hall to yer left ;)
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15:47<calestyo>hi,.. perhaps someone can help me on this,.. :-) when using an initramfs what should I use as root parameter to the kernel (normally I'd use e.g. /dev/sda1 or in my case /dev/mapper/sda1 (due to dm-crypt)).... but I've just found several gentoo howtos that use /dev/ram0 (where the initramfs is put to) and they also have an "real_root" parameter.... any ideas?
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15:56<acutedeath>what does it mean if the system call write() just crashes my program outright with no message?
15:56<acutedeath>OR, why does it ignore the lseek offset and write at the beginning of a file anyway?
15:56<acutedeath>OR, what might be a more appropriate channel for these sort of questions?
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16:06<tilda140>So, recompilng my Kernel again :)
16:06<tilda140>Different machine this time.
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16:08<tilda140>What will be fun will be trying to get my dual monitors to work on Deb.
16:08<tilda140>Does anyone have any experience with that?
16:08<azeem>tilda140: probably the people who wrote the code for that
16:08<azeem>not sure whether that answer helps you, though
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16:08<tilda140>wrote the code for what?
16:09<tilda140>oh yea
16:09<tilda140>that makes sense
16:09<tilda140>but I'm doing my kernel now, all I did lasttime was make-kpkg
16:09<tilda140>but now it says I'm not in the right directory for that
16:09<tilda140>needs top levle
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16:09<matth>I just lost an Intel Pro Wireless chip after a kernel crash (blank screen, no SysRq) during an aptitude safe-upgrade.
16:09<devil>tilda140: ati works quite well with xrandr for zhe job of dual monitors, intel as well
16:10<tilda140>I have NVIDIA
16:10<devil>tilda140: no go so far with xrandr
16:10<matth>still the device is seen with lspci, I cannot get eth2 back. Here some clues :
16:10<matth>if anyone had the time to look at it, I'll be more than happy
16:11<matth>(I just rebooted and connected via ethernet in order to properly finish the upgrade, no problems with that, non wifi related packages)
16:12<matth>I'm thinking the problem stand arouond ucode loading.
16:12<devil>matth: new kernel as well?
16:12<Maulkin>matth: what's in dmesg?
16:12<azeem>matth: what does uname -r say?
16:12<matth>devil: nope.
16:12<matth>Maulkin: nothing related to the card
16:12<Maulkin>matth: After the modprobe.
16:12<tilda140>So I should not attempt to use xrandr because it's NVIDIA eh?
16:12<matth>azeem: 2.6.22-3-686
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16:12<devil>matth: hm, firmware changed to firmware-iwlwifi for newer kernels....
16:13<devil>tilda140: it wont work with nividia
16:13<Maulkin>matth: and that may be the newer module name...
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16:16<seagal>can some one help me out i can't login in to my terminal
16:16<Maulkin>OH YAY
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16:16<Maulkin>Here they go again.
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16:17<seagal>haw do i become root
16:17<tilda140>well, you can use sudo for individual commands
16:17<tilda140>but su will change you into root\
16:17<Maulkin>seagal: use sudo, or su
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16:18*Supaplex temp /ignore * join,part,quit
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16:18<seagal>i did that but its always says wrong veryvication
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16:19<azeem>seagal: for su, you need the root password, for sudo (if setup) you need your own password
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16:19<seagal>i have re-instal ubuntu more then 3 times
16:19-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
16:19<azeem>seagal: please ask in #ubuntu
16:19<azeem>seagal: on
16:19-!-Maulkin changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r2 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout | /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
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16:19<seagal>ok thanks
16:20<azeem>tilda140: huh?
16:20<tilda140>He was asking a Ubuntu question on this channel.
16:20<tilda140>Kind of funny.
16:20<azeem>tilda140: it happens every day, get over it
16:20<sepski>tilda140, are you new ???
16:20<tilda140>Oh, I'm over it.
16:20<tilda140>Trust me.
16:20<Maulkin>tilda140: you're new here then?
16:20<tilda140>Not too new.
16:20<sepski>i feel it happen every hour :)
16:20<tilda140>A month or 2.
16:21<tilda140>I don't know why you're telling me to "Get over it"
16:21<tilda140>It's not upsetting me or anything.
16:21<tilda140>It was just an obersvation, thanks.
16:21<Maulkin>I'm just suprised you made a comment on it :)
16:21<azeem>I'm just trying to avoid everybody saying LOL all the time something inevitable like this happens
16:22<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
16:23<dkr> l
16:23<tilda140>lol is a universally known acronym online
16:23<azeem>tilda140: do you have a debian question?
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16:23<dkr>messed up legs. :)
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16:26*dkr was just reminded of making a dns record for type-exit-to-exit-nslookup.mydomain so people could exit nslookup :)
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16:26<dkr>(as an alias for quit.mydomain)
16:26*Supaplex looks at the topic Maulkin set, and smiles :)
16:26<dkr>but actually I find ^d the most useful, it exits a lot more commandline tools
16:27<Maulkin>Seems a bit quieter this time round. PErhaps they're learning :)
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16:27<Supaplex>dkr: it's easy to type as habbit. it can bite back sometimes :)
16:28<Supaplex>Maulkin: we can only hope hehe
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16:28<sco50000>do people seriously come here thinking it's #ubuntu?
16:28<Supaplex>they'll get through the first few weeks of puberty eventually.
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16:28<Maulkin>sco50000: yes
16:28<Supaplex>sco50000: all to fscking often
16:28<Maulkin>It's not their fault.
16:29<sco50000>why is it not their fault?
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16:29<azeem>some irc clients on Ubuntu still connect to irc.d.o/#d by default
16:29<azeem>or did in earlier versions
16:29<Maulkin>Konversation in... 'edgy' I think has a default network of and a default channel of #debian
16:30<Supaplex>it'd be nice if we could just /fling them over where they belong.
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16:31<dpkg>one warez list being sent to sba
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16:36<sba>Ciao a tutti
16:36<dpkg>one warez list being sent to sba
16:37<Supaplex>sba: why are you requesting !list over and over?
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16:38<Clumsy_Root>maybe he thinks dpkg is an fserv?
16:39<Pryon>dpkg needs to make a guess at the native language of the requestor and tailor the joke accordingly.
16:39<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
16:39<Pryon>How does one say "warez" in Italian?
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16:41<dkr>maybe they don't distinguish between types of software. :)
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16:42<Supaplex>or maybe truffatore *shrug*
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16:44<Andrico>what's the command for starting gnome if x is already started?
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16:44<azeem>Andrico: there's none really - select the gnome session from gdm
16:44<matth>what about gnome-session ?
16:45<Andrico>but I got fatal error 104 when I tried startx
16:45<sba>what's gonna happens?
16:45<Andrico>so it's probably already up
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16:45<The_Unknown>Well Maybe you Should reinstall gdm
16:45<azeem>Andrico: you should know yourself whether X is up or not
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16:45<azeem>The_Unknown: why?
16:45<Andrico>I know I should
16:46<The_Unknown>Well..actualy...Why Not?
16:46<Supaplex>sba: what's it have to do with debian?
16:46<azeem>Andrico: do you know how X looks like?
16:46<Andrico>but this is in a vmware server
16:46<azeem>The_Unknown: you don't reinstall things for fun
16:46<The_Unknown>I'm On Knoppix 5.1
16:46<The_Unknown>So I Use it
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16:46<Supaplex>The_Unknown: knoppix is not debian, it's ot here.
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16:46<Andrico>so I installed x-server and gnome
16:47<The_Unknown>You could Fix th e problem...
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16:47<Andrico>and gdm and gnome-session and startx always fail
16:47<azeem>The_Unknown: what are you talking about?
16:47<azeem>The_Unknown: if you need help with your knoppix, ask in #knoppix
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16:47<The_Unknown>About gnome
16:47<The_Unknown>am I wrong?
16:47<azeem>otherwise, please don't tell random people to reinstall ranom packages
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16:47<Maulkin>The_Unknown: yes.
16:48<The_Unknown>Excuse me
16:48<The_Unknown>I only told this
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16:48*Maulkin sighs
16:48<The_Unknown>Because I'd Do it if I were u
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16:48<azeem>The_Unknown: this is debian, you don't reinstall unnecessarily
16:48<azeem>The_Unknown: if you don't konw Debian, I wonder why you give advise to people in here
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16:49<The_Unknown>I've used Linux for last 5 years
16:49<Supaplex>!tell The_Unknown -about based on debian
16:49<The_Unknown>I'm not sure i Dont' Know debian..
16:49<The_Unknown>How Should I know?
16:49<The_Unknown>I mean I do I know If I can Use Debian?
16:50<The_Unknown>I changed 4 Dsktop Enviromentù
16:50<The_Unknown>For this reason I told that
16:50<Supaplex>uhm, do we maintain those packages?
16:50<azeem>The_Unknown: if you run Debian and have a Debian question, ask this
16:50<dkr>the unknown capitalization technique
16:50<azeem>The_Unknown: otherwise, please keep quiet or leave
16:50<The_Unknown>Eh Eh
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16:51<Andrico>ok, I have a problem with my x setup then, apparently.
16:51<The_Unknown>Escuse, I'll remember
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16:51<Andrico>from the output it says I could not open default font
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16:51<azeem>Andrico: did you install xorg?
16:51<azeem>or some specialized package
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16:51<Andrico>apt-get install xserver-xorg
16:51<Andrico>I think
16:51<Supaplex>The_Unknown: we don't have any issue with any other distro on the planet. we know what we maintain, and we'd like to keep that consistancy intact.
16:51<zxcg>Where can I set my $PATH for gnome-panel in debian?
16:51<zxcg>.gnomerc does not work for me.
16:52<Andrico>and aptitude install gnome
16:52<azeem>Andrico: that's not enough
16:52<azeem>Andrico: apt-get install xorg
16:52<Andrico>oh ok
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16:52<azeem>zxcg: ~/.bashrc
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16:52<zxcg>azeem: Been there done that. Does not work.
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16:53<zxcg>azeem: I was told by the gnome community that gnome does not honor the .bashrc
16:53<Supaplex>zxcg: 'source ~/.bashrc' in .xinitrc
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16:53<zxcg>Supaplex: Ok i will try that ;)
16:54<azeem>zxcg: gnome in general might not, but gnome-terminal might?
16:54<azeem>after all, it runs bash
16:54<Supaplex>zxcg: you'll need the wm in there to
16:54<Supaplex>I use openbox, but adjust to taste. :)
16:54<sco50000>when i try to use madplay, i get this a lot: "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"
16:54<sco50000>why does it do this?
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16:55<azeem>sco50000: another application is using the sound device
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16:56<devil>huh, what fun, kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data moving to unstable
16:57<g-unot>i just installed kde, i cant seem to connect to the internet via wif, but im able to connect on gnome
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16:58<Taslak>!alsa checklist
16:58<dpkg>rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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17:01<g-unot>is there a way to use apt without haveing to insert the debian disk each time?
17:02<guillaume>Can I setup the internal microphone of my Philips PCVC740K ToUcam Pro webcam for amsn under testing ? How ?
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17:02<sco50000>g-unot: use the online repositories
17:02<g-unot>i beleive i do
17:02<g-unot>how can i check?
17:03<sco50000>open something like synaptic or adept
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17:03<Clumsy_Root>come to think about it.
17:03<Clumsy_Root>are there any recommendations for yahoo messenger client with voice support?
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17:04<Clumsy_Root>preferrably something that doesn't require obsolete libs to compile?
17:04<zxcg>Supaplex: is the exec /usr/bin/openbox in your .xinitrc acutally the same as executing gnome/openbox oder kde/openbox?
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17:05<Taslak>!alsa checklist
17:05<dpkg>methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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17:06<chuy_max>hi, I have a printing issue, everytime I want to print something, it doesn't print the last 10cm, I'm using letter sized sheets, and the apps I use are configured correctly to use that paper size
17:06<Supaplex>zxcg: exec replaces the existing shell. that's not so important. but, replace openbox with your wm (I dont know what gnome runs for the first/primary binary)
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17:07<chuy_max>I'm using a PSC-1210 All in one HP printer
17:07<chuy_max>I think the driver it uses is hpijs
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17:07<chuy_max>any idea?
17:07<Supaplex>chuy_max: under cups?
17:07<Supaplex>chuy_max: I think cups has a printer config for install printers. you might be able to readjust the margins.
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17:08<g-unot>can someone tell me why i cant connect wirelessly to a network but in kde but i can in gnome?
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17:16<sco50000>what is the best way to run 'xmodmap /home/scott/.Xmodmap' and 'xbindkeys' when X starts?
17:17<koollman>sco50000: put that in your .xinitrc
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17:18<sco50000>where do i find .xinitrc?
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17:18<dondelelcaro>or .xsession
17:18<koollman>sco50000: ~/.xinitrc
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17:18<dondelelcaro>sco50000: it's in ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc
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17:19<sco50000>neither of those files exist, should i just make it?
17:20<dondelelcaro>sco50000: yes.
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17:20<dondelelcaro>(I'd personally suggest using .xsession instead of .xinitrc, but that's really up to you)
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17:20<sco50000>yeah, i'm going to, i read what dpkg said about it
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17:23<klimy>Supaplex: It did not work.
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17:23<zxcg>Supaplex: It did not work.
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17:25<Supaplex>I'm low on spare time. I think you'll be able to wrap your head around it faster now that I've pointed you in that direction. good luck :) xinitrc and xinit man pages might be more help.
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17:26<zxcg>Supaplex: Ok. Thanks for the pointers.
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17:31<zxcg>Supaplex: Just to get this straight. Do you use an app like gdm or xdm?
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17:41<Clumsy_Root>excuse me, quick question: what's the group that allows port-forwarding?
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17:42<Clumsy_Root>need to open some ports to a few programs, and i don't remember the groupname i should add myself to.
17:43<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: sudo?
17:43<Clumsy_Root>nope, it's not the sudoers group
17:43<Clumsy_Root>i'm already in there
17:44<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: whynot use sudo iptables --------
17:45<Clumsy_Root>eldowan: because i can't seem to get iptables to work properly, and i already had my rig set up to enable port-forwarding through user policies
17:45<Clumsy_Root>i just don't remember the group name :(
17:46<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: if you aren't using iptables, what are you using to block and open ports?
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17:46<Clumsy_Root>eldowan: i open ports directly from the interested software
17:47<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: so you have an open system, and open ports from w/in the the program?
17:47<streuner>!closing ports
17:47<dpkg><greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up.
17:48<Clumsy_Root>hey, easy there. i'm not a newbie, i already know how to port-forward
17:48<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: sudo the program, open the port. close the program and run it as you.
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17:49<Clumsy_Root>eldowan: tried that, but let me explain what i'm planning to do
17:50<Clumsy_Root>i'm currently trying to allow linuxdcpp to use a few open ports on my router; it's already set up properly on that side, and i can input the port from the program
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17:51<Kebianizao>I've installed skype on my 32bit machines, and there's only one lib32 missing, libxss
17:51<Kebianizao>what's the best approach to get it?
17:51<Clumsy_Root>only when it comes to actually using those ports it won't allow traffic through them, because i can't modify the port mappings with my current privileges. that's why i'm trying to remember which group i must be in to get those ports open
17:51<Kebianizao>look for the 32 bit libxss1 deb package?
17:52<azeem>Kebianizao: apt-get install it
17:52<eldowan>Kebianizao: that is the first step, yes
17:52<Kebianizao>azeem: I have it installed for my 64 bits installation, but I don't have the 32 version
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17:52<Kebianizao>I was wondering what was the cleaner way
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17:53<bjb>Kebianizao, make a debian package for skype and make it depend on libxss
17:53<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: temporarily add yourself to all the groups. then remove yourself form them? I bet that would work
17:53<Kebianizao>bjb: the package is installed using --force-architecture, I run 64bits natively
17:54<Clumsy_Root>eldowan: not to be picky or anything, but do you have a cleaner solution than that? :P
17:54<azeem>Kebianizao: run it in a 32bit chroot
17:54<azeem>Kebianizao: using --force-architecture isn't supported
17:54<bjb>Kebianizao ah ... I didn't find skype with apt-cache search, so didn't think it was already a package
17:54<eldowan>Clumsy_Root: su? root should be able to open them up. Thats all I got. :D
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17:54<azeem>skype is proprietary
17:54<Kebianizao>azeem: ok, and knowing that already I deserve some slaps
17:55<Clumsy_Root>alright then, guess i'll just google for that one :P
17:55<Woet`>goodnight, im having quite a problem. I did something weird with file permissions, now im unable to do anything with it (remove, move, edit), not as 'george' nor as root.
17:55<Woet`>-rw-r--r-- 1 george george 248 2008-01-22 21:29 server.cfg
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17:55<Kebianizao>that's why my question is what's the best way to get the libxss 32 bit library on my 64 installation
17:55<azeem>Kebianizao: 23:53 < azeem> Kebianizao: run it in a 32bit chroot
17:55<Kebianizao>I find chroot overkill
17:56<azeem>I don't think there's any other solution that is sane
17:57<Kebianizao>azeem: ok, I've just thought about this, I happen to have a 32bit chroot (not up-to-date probably), what about taking the lib from there and putting somewhere in my real system and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH then?
17:57<azeem>Kebianizao: are you going to come up with more crackful solution and hope I will say "oh, that is great" eventually?
17:57<azeem>I think you know my opinion by now
17:58<Kebianizao>azeem: :D
17:58<Kebianizao>my cracky solutions come out at night
17:58<azeem>maybe you can try to convince the ia32-libs maintainer to include libxss1
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17:59<Kebianizao>azeem: that's a azeem branded answer (TM) ;)
17:59<Kebianizao>I'll do, thanks very much :)
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18:00<Woet>nobody knows answer to my question?
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18:00<Kebianizao>Woet: what's that?
18:01<Woet>look up
18:01<Woet>[23:55:18] <Woet`> goodnight, im having quite a problem. I did something weird with file permissions, now im unable to do anything with it (remove, move, edit), not as 'george' nor as root.
18:01<Woet>[23:55:19] <Woet`> -rw-r--r-- 1 george george 248 2008-01-22 21:29 server.cfg
18:01<Kebianizao>is the filesystem ro mounted?
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18:01<Woet>err, i have no idea to be honest
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18:01<Kebianizao>I've read, I was saying what output is that from
18:01<Woet>that output is from ls -all
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18:02<petemc>Woet: lsattr
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18:03<Woet>lsattr server.cfg gives me '----i------------- server.cfg'
18:03<petemc>chattr -i
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18:03<Kebianizao>i stands for inmutable
18:06<Woet>thanks very much petemc
18:06<Woet>i forgot that i did +i
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18:09<renezito>soy muy novato en esto
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18:10<renezito>estoy con debian y quisiera averiguar la IP que tomo del DHCP... como lo hago???
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18:11<Woet>please speak english
18:11<Woet>or to go #debian-countrycode
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18:11<Woet>#debian-cl in your case
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18:11<renezito>thanks... how can I know my IP ??? what command do I have to type ??
18:11<renezito>it doesn't work
18:12<Woet>running it as root?
18:12<lupine_85>ip addr show
18:12<renezito>ifconfig: command not found
18:12<lupine_85>or ifconfig /as root/
18:12<Woet>you should be running it as root renezito
18:12<lupine_85>or /sbin/ifconfig as user
18:12<lupine_85>it's all the same really
18:12<Kebianizao>renezito: !es
18:12<renezito>Mmmm... and how can I add me as a sudo user ?
18:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:13<Kebianizao>azeem: the cracky solution worked, but I won't tell anyone ;)
18:13<renezito>ip addr show works fine! thanks
18:14<chuy_max>renezito, visudo
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18:15<renezito>visudo... command not found
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18:15<renezito>hohoho... thanks... I'm going to try debian-es
18:15<chuy_max>renezito, root?
18:16<chuy_max>or install sudo perhaps
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18:16<renezito>chihchun: no, I'm not login as root... in my new machine jejeje.. I want to add me as root. then I can do "sudo ifconfig" ... but I dont know how to add me as a sudo user
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18:17<sco50000>renezito: type su
18:17<Kebianizao>sco50000: too late :P
18:17<Kebianizao>some ppl's just shy
18:17<sco50000>awww, i know how to fix this :(
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18:20<witte>renezito: run su, type the root password there. Next you run visudo to edit /et/sudoers
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18:21<renezito>%$¶$¶$¶ !!!!
18:21<sco50000>renezito: type 'su' then type your root password when it asks. when you get the root shell, type 'visudo'
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18:22<renezito>sco50000: yes, I did it... but I don't want to do always the same (login as root) ... I prefer add me to the sudo users
18:23<sco50000>visudo is how you add yourself to the sudo users
18:23<witte>renezito: that you do by editing /etc/sudoers, which you should access by issueing "visudo"
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18:24<sco50000>just add 'renezito ALL=(ALL) ALL
18:24<sco50000>to visudp
18:24<renezito>sco50000: I exec visudo and the answer is "command not found"
18:24<sco50000>you need to su first renezito
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18:24<sco50000>type su
18:24<witte>renezito: apt-get install sudo
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18:25<renezito>first su .... then visudo and I can see the application
18:26<renezito>Ok... i see the configuration: root ALL=(ALL) ALL
18:26<renezito>add me something like: rene ALL=(ALL) ALL ???
18:26<sco50000>add 'rezenito ALL=(ALL) ALL
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18:28<renezito>thanks!!! now ifconfig works for me !!!
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18:29<renezito>mmm... now I don't need to type "sudo ifconfig" just "infconfig" works
18:29<renezito>thanks sco50000
18:29<Kebianizao>night all
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18:30<renezito>somebody has a notebook HP Pavillion DV6000 ????
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18:49<Lufkin>i need help with debian
18:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:50<Lufkin>i have debain lenny and i can't connect to the internet
18:50<Maulkin>You mean testing?
18:51<witte>Lufkin: adsl, wifi, ethernet, modem, something else?
18:51<Lufkin>its onboaurd ethernet
18:51<Xenguy>Lufkin: dialup or broadband?
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18:52<fluxnuk3r>hey everyone
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18:52<witte>Lufkin: type lspci and see which card you got
18:52<Xenguy>Lufkin: dsl or cable?
18:52<Lufkin>but that shouldn't matter
18:52<Xenguy>Lufkin: tell me the answer then =)
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18:53<witte>Lufkin: it all depends, as you are not giving any info, we can only guess why it does not work
18:53<Lufkin>it says lspci command not found
18:54<witte>Lufkin: you did a netinstall and it did not install completely?
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18:54<Lufkin>it only installed the core
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18:55<witte>Lufkin: do you know which ethernet card you have
18:55<witte>Lufkin: it could be that pciutils is not installed yet, that is where lspci is in
18:55<Lufkin>its an onboard thats all i know
18:56<Lufkin>hold on a sec
18:57<fluxnuk3r>i never had luck with the netinstall
18:57<fluxnuk3r>alway had a kernel panic of some sort
18:57<Lufkin>its a intel board
18:57<Xenguy>dondelelcaro: but, but, ... it's vista!
18:57<witte>Lufkin: if it is a very new pc, you might have more luck with the netinstall wiht 2.6.23 kernel
18:57<witte>!etch 2.6.23
18:57<dpkg>i heard etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
18:58<Lufkin>and i installed it on another computer find its just this one i have had problems with
18:58<Lufkin>and its old
18:58<Lufkin>pentium 2
18:58<witte>Lufkin: ok, that should be supported by the default debian installer
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18:59<witte>look at the MB for a device number or name tag or whatever, and try to figure out which MB you have and which ethernet device corresponds with that
19:00<Lufkin>it is a colombiaBX network card
19:00<Lufkin>and mobo
19:00<witte>Lufkin: and if you have an old 3com pci ethernet card lurking around somewhere, this would be the moment to find it, and plug it in ;-)
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19:01<Lufkin>this all i have to work with
19:02<sco50000>why did debian create their own versions of firefox and thunderbird with different names?
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19:02<witte>Lufkin: does not ring a bell to me
19:02<gsimmons_>!tell sco50000 -about why iceweasel
19:02<Lufkin>the computer was made by seanix
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19:03<witte>Lufkin: try to boot with the netinstall, rescue mode, and try to run a shell and excecute lspci
19:03<Lufkin>there is a link to the site with the computer i have
19:03<Lufkin>i should have mentioned i am new to linux
19:04<witte>Sorry, that serial number does not exist in our database, please try another!
19:04<Aleric>Does anyone know, if you have: Copyright (C) 2000 - 2003, and you make more changes. Should it become 2000 - 2008, or 2000 - 2003, 2008 ?
19:04<witte>^^ that was when i followed the link
19:04<Lufkin>thats what you put in
19:05<Lufkin>fo a serial number
19:05<themill__>Aleric: #d-m is the right place to ask and probably not here. And please don't ask the same thing in multiple places at the same time.
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19:07<Lufkin>did it work witte?
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19:08<witte>Lufkin: yeah, it seems you have the intel 440 BX chipset on the motherboard, i am trying to figure out which network card is with it (and not just who assembled it, but rather which driver is needed)
19:08<gsimmons_>Lufkin, witte: According to the motherboard manual, it uses an Intel 82558 chipset.
19:09<Lufkin>the driver dl is at the botto
19:09<witte>Lufkin: it looks like an Intel EtherExpress(TM) PRO/100+
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19:09<witte>PCI Adapter
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19:09<witte>Lufkin: that would mean the e100 driver if i am correct
19:09<Lufkin>all i know is it is onboard
19:09<witte>but i have to check that
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19:10<witte>lufking, or rather the eepro100
19:11<witte>oops *Lufkin
19:11<witte>Lufkin: try the following: modprobe eepro100
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19:11<Lufkin>so type that in
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19:12<Lufkin>in the linux computer
19:12<witte>Lufkin: yes, and as root
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19:12<Lufkin>ok i am root
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19:13<Lufkin>it didn't do anything
19:14<witte>Lufkin: that is good, that means it do what it had to do, and no error
19:14<Lufkin>when i do ifconfig though it doesn't give me an ip address
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19:15<witte>Lufkin: try ifconfig eth0 up
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19:16<witte>Lufkin: but if you are a beginner, i would recommend reinstalling the netinstall, but make sure that the network driver is recognized during install this time, if needed, modprobe eepro100 during install
19:17<Lufkin>ok i will try that
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19:17<Lufkin>can you help me through it
19:17<witte>Lufkin: this is because you now have a very basic system, and i think it will cost a lot of effort doing the things that the installer does automatically
19:18<witte>Lufkin: just do the same you did before, but make sure the network cable is connected during install, and make sure he detects the network
19:18<witte>if you have problems or questions, just ask here
19:20<Lufkin>how do i make sure it is connected if it is an onboard card
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19:21<witte>Lufkin: plug in a cable and see if the lights light up
19:22<Lufkin>ok it does
19:22<witte>Lufkin: and i meant plug into the ethernet modem/hub/whatever so that it can acces the net in case it would get configured
19:22<Lufkin>yes i know
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19:25<Lufkin>where do i type in modprobe eepro100
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19:26<streuner>in a shell?
19:26<witte>Lufkin: did you first attempt to let the installer find the network
19:27<Lufkin>then i did configure network manually and i put in an ip address
19:27<witte>Lufkin: ok, <esc> a few times until you are in a menu
19:27<witte>Lufkin: and somewhere in the bottom there is a shell place
19:27<witte>Lufkin: or maybe even ctrl-alt-f3 works as well, but i am not sure about that
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19:28<witte>after modprobeing, you should attempt automatic network recognition if you expect ot get a dhcp address
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19:30<pedro>just a test
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19:37<mib_c0qnwvd4>DCC SEND LOL_GOODBYE_PEYMAN 0 0 0
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19:41<acutedeath>what does it mean if I boot to a blank screen
19:41<Maulkin>lupine_85: loi.
19:41<acutedeath>but if I type in my name and passwords I get a gnome login?
19:42<acutedeath>as in, my screen then lights up and I get my normal login screen
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19:42<themill__>Maulkin: nice ;)
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19:44<acutedeath>i made the change of installing an ethernet pci card, which somehow created this black hole before login
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19:45<witte>Maulkin: maybe this can be added to the lol factoid
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19:48<acutedeath>does that make any sense? Also, how might I derail my boot from loading gnome every time?
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19:50<witte>Lufkin: what is the current status?
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19:51<muhkuh>where can i find the installed themes/icons of KDE?
19:51<muhkuh>in which directory is that stuff
19:52<Lufkin> when i typed this in apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base gnome it says can't find package xserver-xorg
19:52<Xenguy>Lufkin: apt-get update
19:53<Xenguy>Lufkin: otherwise, check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
19:53<Xenguy>Lufkin: oh, and be root of course :-)
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19:54<muhkuh>i need to get icons installed
19:54<Lufkin>it says faild to fetch http://
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19:56<Lufkin>it says failed to fetch when i type in apt-get update
19:57<Xenguy>Lufkin: well can you: ping
19:57<Xenguy>i.e. are you even connected to the net?
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19:58<witte>muhkuh: apt-file search icon |grep kde
19:59<witte>muhkuh: this gives quite some things
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20:00<witte>muhkuh: there should be some icons in the kde-icon-theme-* packages
20:01<jebix>what program creates the .local directory in users home directories?
20:01<Lufkin>yes i am connected to the net and no i can't ping
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20:02<witte>Lufkin: did your netinstall this time work completely?
20:03<Lufkin>i am not sure it installed fine but it said the dhcp was limited and i could only install the core and there was no option for anything else
20:04<witte>that sounds like a no to me :-)
20:04<Lufkin>darn it
20:04<Xenguy>Lufkin: if you cannot ping, I would believe you are *not* actually connected to the Net
20:05<Lufkin>i checked the cable and i can get internet with another pc
20:05<Lufkin>just not with this one
20:05<Lufkin>i am thinking its the drivers
20:06<witte>Lufkin: try this: "lsmod |grep eepro100"
20:06<witte>Lufkin: does that result in something?
20:06<Lufkin>is that an |
20:06<witte>yep, a pipe, or a straight line up :-)
20:07<Lufkin>and no nothing happened
20:07<Lufkin>so i am guessing that is good
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20:07<witte>Lufkin: that thing feeds the output of the first command (lsmod) to the second (grep eepro100 <outcome>)
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20:08<Lufkin>nothing happened
20:08<witte>Lufkin: nothing means the driver is not loaded
20:08<witte>Lufkin: modprobe eepro100
20:08<witte>Lufkin: lsmod |grep eepro100
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20:09<witte>Lufkin: this time, somehting should show
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20:09<muhkuh>i want to install new icons but i need to know where i can find the old ones in which directory
20:09<Lufkin>yes it does
20:10<witte>Lufkin: ifup eth0
20:10<Lufkin>eepro100 29840 0
20:10<muhkuh>cause i have to run a script there
20:10<Lufkin>mii 5280 2 eepro100,e100
20:12<Lufkin>those are the two things it said when i did the lsmod |grep eepro100
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20:12<witte>Lufkin: ok, that is better
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20:12<witte>Lufkin: try the ifup eth0 command
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20:14<Lufkin>says its already configed
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20:16<witte>Lufkin: paste the output of ifconfig in a pastebin
20:16<witte>!tell lufkin about paste
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20:17<witte>Lufkin: or if you have to type everything anew, can you tell us if the eth0 device has an ip
20:17<Lufkin>i can show you cause i am streaming
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20:18<witte>Lufkin: the second line should be something like inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
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20:18<Lufkin>for the addr
20:19<Lufkin>do you want to see
20:19<witte>Lufkin: is that one that is choosen by you or is it assigned by dhcp
20:19<witte>Lufkin: no, that is ok (for now :P)
20:19<Lufkin>i did it myself
20:20<witte>Lufkin: you are sure that it is correct?
20:20<witte>Lufkin: btw: can you now ping to
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20:21<witte>or even to you router ( ?)
20:22<Lufkin>can i show you
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20:22<witte>euhm yes
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20:23<Lufkin>i only have on monitor
20:23<Lufkin>so i have to keep switching
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20:24<Lufkin>how do i stop the ping
20:24<witte>cool :-)
20:24<witte>ctrl c
20:24<witte>try to ping your router now
20:25<witte>Lufkin: chemical brothers?
20:25<Lufkin>fatboy slim
20:25<witte>ah, indeed
20:25<witte>yes, i can hear you
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20:34<acutedeath>what could it possibly mean if my box runs through typical boot stuff, and then the screen goes blank?
20:36<acutedeath>and how might I salvage this thing, seeing as I can't do anything?
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20:36<acutedeath>(that I know of)
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20:45<sysop2>is this basically the same channel as on freenode?
20:45<sysop2>or is this a completly different set of people?
20:46<lupine_85>different channek
20:46<lupine_85>channel*. the bot's the same though
20:46<witte>sysop2: i am only on this channel :-)
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20:47<ferret_0567>well...the hd-media installer wants a ISO of debian
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20:47<ferret_0567>so, I'm just going to exchange the initrd for the netinstall one
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20:48<sysop2>ok cool just was curious. so are they basically the same purpose or this is more of a higher level channel?
20:49<witte>sysop2: both are a higher level channel, just depends on whom you ask
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20:52<ferret_0567>ok, that's finished, rebooting...
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20:55<witte>!tell Lufkin about sources.list
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21:02<Clumsy_Root>lol, the ubuntu channel has one user? XD
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21:05<mshelby1>I'm a very experienced kde/linux user 10 years... debian=4 years... but I am having trouble getting flash to play in konqueror since the 4.0 upgrade. Any help here?
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21:07<Clumsy_Root>for that matter, i'm having trouble upgrading the flash player. i don't remember how the heck i did it last time
21:08<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
21:08<witte>!adobe flash
21:08<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from or flashplayer-mozilla from (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
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21:08<Clumsy_Root>preferred. gnash is still too limited
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21:10<Clumsy_Root>!ask about nspluginwrapper
21:10<Clumsy_Root>... >_>
21:10<witte>!tell Clumsy_Root about nspluginwrapper
21:10<Clumsy_Root>much obliged :P
21:11<witte>Clumsy_Root: but if you have sid (or lenny?) flash is also there directly without nspluginwrapper
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21:11<Clumsy_Root>but actually, i'm having a bit of a problem actually getting the plugin itself to install. i remember i did that, don't remember how tho'
21:12<Clumsy_Root>witte: yeah, but problem is i started with an etch, lennyfied it afterwards
21:12<Supaplex>poor bot...
21:13<Clumsy_Root>and by then i already had the official plugin installed, and now there's an upgrade i can't remember for the life of me how the heck i force-installed it O.o
21:13<witte>Clumsy_Root: so you have lenny (at least if you have dist-upgraded)
21:13<Clumsy_Root>witte: yep, situation as stated above
21:13<Clumsy_Root>witte: can't even get it to work under konqueror either, it only runs under iceweasel
21:13<witte>Clumsy_Root: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
21:14<Clumsy_Root>witte: that's what i have. still fails with konqueror
21:14<Clumsy_Root>witte: wait a minute, does that mean i can get rid of nspluginwrapper or?
21:14<witte>i don't use konquerer, so don't know
21:15<witte>i think so
21:15<witte>at least in sid
21:15<witte>i am not sure if this is already in lenny
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21:15<Clumsy_Root>witte: taking a chance.
21:16<Clumsy_Root>witte: nope, it asks to remove the flash plugin either
21:16<witte>^^ flash for konqueror
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21:17<Clumsy_Root>sounds interesting enough :D also answers the other dude's query ^^
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21:19<Clumsy_Root>got that covered already
21:19<witte>so it is in everything but lenny
21:21<Clumsy_Root>eh, i've got both lenny and etch enabled
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21:23<witte>well, for the etch version on amd64 you need backports
21:23<witte>in any case, it is way over bed time for me
21:23<witte>good luck with your flash ;)
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21:25<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, I'm trying to do the same thing you are. Saw a report that the most recent libflashplayer-nonfree is not working with kde/konqueror. I'm looking up a fix for it. Are you using kde?
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21:26<Clumsy_Root>mshelby1: sure am
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21:26<sco50000>is there a way to list all the filesystems mount supports?
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21:27<lupine_85>sco50000: you could grep the kernel's .config file, I guess
21:27<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, hold on... I'm checking out a "fix" I found. I'll be back!
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21:29<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, are you using kde 4.0.0? Have you tried loading up a page on
21:29<Clumsy_Root>mshelby1: yeah, here's what happens
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21:30<lupine_85>there's /proc/filesystems, but that doesn't include fs types in unloaded kernel modules
21:30<Clumsy_Root>the page loads, opening some fullscreen blank window
21:30<Clumsy_Root>i close it, and in place of the animation there's just a grey box.
21:31<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, Same thing happens here. Are you trying out the new 4.0.0?
21:31<Clumsy_Root>mshelby1: my bad, i confused that with debian's version. nope, i'm still under kde 3.5.8
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21:32<Clumsy_Root>but the glitch is still there
21:32<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, I know... My dad still has 3.5.8 and he still has the same problem.
21:34<Clumsy_Root>mshelby1: checking if there are old plugin versions that might be conflicting.
21:35<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, move over to #debian-kde... no traffic on that channel. Maybe I can tell you what we've tried.
21:37<Clumsy_Root>hold on dude.
21:37<Clumsy_Root>it works
21:37<mshelby1>Ok, what did you do?
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21:37<Clumsy_Root>try this: from konqueror's plugins tab, remove any search paths referencing netscape
21:37<Clumsy_Root>then scan, that did the trickery for me
21:38<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, that makes sense... they say the nsplugin viewer is the problem. I'll try it.
21:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 324] by debhelper
21:40<Clumsy_Root>and wow, there's a debian-kde channel? i might well try it.
21:40<Clumsy_Root>hmm, a little unpopulated.
21:41<sco50000>Clumsy_Root: also ask questions in the FreeNode #debian channel. it has more than twice as many people as this channel
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21:44<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, thanks for the find. I'm going to reboot then I might be back. Again thanks!
21:44<Clumsy_Root>no problem :)
21:44<Clumsy_Root>actually, you don't need to reboot
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21:46<Supaplex>rebooting is for sissies!
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21:48<mshelby1>Clumsy_Root, Supaplex, I'm using 4. and it is so buggy. My konqueror crashed-and wont restart after I just updated one of the 4.0 librariers. So I figure I'll reboot and see if that helps.
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21:55<blal>dmesg has a line saying "irq 209: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)". Is that bad? lspci -v lists my "VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA])" with "Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 209" (same IRQ).
21:56<blal>dmesg sorta looked like something didn't set up right.
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21:58<blal>BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
21:58<blal> BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable)
21:58<blal> BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved)
21:58<blal> BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
21:58-!-blal was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:59<blal>Oh noes. k, im back.
21:59*Supaplex scrapes the stuff off his console
21:59<blal> has my dmesg
22:00<blal>I meant to paste the URL, not dmesg, you see.
22:00<Supaplex>fwiw, i'm not sure what that msg means
22:01<blal>Which msg? My last one?
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22:01<Supaplex>02:54 < blal> dmesg has a line saying "irq 209: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)". Is that bad? lspci -v
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22:03<blal>Supaplex : Well, it looks like the kernel, possibly the agpgart module, polled IRQ 209 and didn't get the response it expected.
22:04<blal>Supaplex : Not sure if my hardware/software are optimally configured. Screen updates seem kinda' slow & perhaps inconsistent w/ having 3D-capable DRI/DRM, rather than just non-accelerated graphics.
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22:09<sco50000>how do i connect with my wireless card in debian? i have kde using knetworkmanager
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22:09<sco50000>using KWifiManager i can scan and it picks up my router, but offers no way to connect to it
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22:12*Xenguy wishes he knew the mysteries of wireless...
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22:12<sco50000>i think wireless has been my biggest problem with linux so far
22:12<g-unot>!tell g-unot
22:13<g-unot>it was
22:13<g-unot>for me
22:13<g-unot>when i ran slackware
22:13<g-unot>but definatly not on debian
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22:14<sco50000>well, i have to use ndiswrapper regardless of what distro im on
22:15<blal>sco50000 : Your card is one that only has Linux support via ndiswrapper?
22:15<sco50000>yeah, i have to use the windows drivers
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22:17<xerophyte>i have installed the mrtg and setup to run as Daemon but when it runs ints only creates rrd files there is no graph .. does anybody know why ?
22:18<g-unot>soes anybody know why i cant retrieve a program from apt
22:18<g-unot>it says the package has no installation canitdate
22:18<xerophyte>apt-cache search ?
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22:19<midget>xerophyte, you need to create the index page
22:19<g-unot>it exists
22:19<g-unot>but i think i needed to add sumthin
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22:19<g-unot>like source-free or sumthing
22:19<midget>xerophyte: man indexmaker
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22:19<xerophyte>midget: you mean after i create the it make the graph files ?
22:20<xerophyte>midget: i thought mrtg generate the png files
22:20<g-unot>i forot got what its called
22:20<g-unot>its sumthing like source free
22:20<midget>xerophyte: you need add your graph definition in mrtg.conf file
22:21<g-unot>!tell g-unot apt
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22:21<g-unot>i think i need to add it to apt/sources.list
22:22<xerophyte>midget: i am confused what is graph definish . i have snmp load mib and other config
22:22<sco50000>are there any good network managers for kde?
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22:24<g-unot>i would suggest using just the gnome network manager
22:24<g-unot>it works for me on kde just fine
22:24<g-unot>and its by far the best for linux
22:24<sco50000>ok, what is the package name?
22:24<g-unot>it has support for wpa
22:25<g-unot>network-manager applet
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22:26<g-unot>is the name in shell
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22:26<sco50000>nm-applet: command not found
22:27<g-unot>what verison of debian are u on?
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22:27<midget>xerophyte, did you run cfgmaker?
22:27<g-unot>go into
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22:27<sco50000>i have 'network-manager' and 'network-manager-kde' installed
22:27<g-unot>i had trouble with those
22:28<sco50000> /usr/bin/nm-applet doesn't exist
22:28<midget>xerophyte: check this howto... maybe you missed a step.
22:28<g-unot>lemme see
22:28<sco50000> /usr/bin/nm-tool exists tho
22:28<g-unot>thats not it
22:28<g-unot>do u still have gnome installed?
22:29<g-unot>prolly why
22:29<g-unot>looks like ur gunnahave to dl
22:29<g-unot>just use apt
22:30<g-unot>!tell g-unot about _madwifi
22:30<g-unot>!tell g-unot about madwifi
22:30<g-unot>!tell g-unot about madwifi-install
22:30<jello>g-unot: just /msg dpkg <topic>
22:30<jello>no need to clutter the channel...
22:31<jello>g-unot: np, everyone has to learn... :)
22:31<g-unot>ty :)
22:32<sco50000>g-unot: i just had to install 'network-manager-gnome'
22:33<g-unot>is it working now?
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22:34<sco50000>well, yes, but my wlan0 interface does not even show up
22:34<sco50000>just my eth0
22:35<g-unot>does it say nm-applet?
22:36<sco50000>im using knetworkmanager instead, turns out there are both just GUIs for network-manager
22:36<sco50000>but i did run nm-applet
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22:36<g-unot>just curious are u using ndiswrapper?
22:37<g-unot>it may have sumthin to do with that
22:37<g-unot>but im not sure
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22:40<g-unot>random question sco50000 but are u on kde4?
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22:42<sysop>is there a program in debian to play director files?
22:44<sysop>is there a program in debian to play or convert director files?
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22:56<epilido>I can mount a remote directory but cannot decend into the folders. The directory that I am trying to mount on the remote machine contains the extra harddrives that are in the remote machine. I would like to share the extra drives on the remote machine to the local network
22:56<epilido>is it a perm problem with exports
22:56<epilido>do I have to list each directory in the exports?
22:57<kop>epilido : Sounds like a permission problem. You are using nfs?
22:57<epilido>if I mount the next folder which is device specific I have no probles with all of the child directorys for that one drive
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22:59<epilido>on the remote computer I have /dev/sda1 mapped to /mnt/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
22:59<kop>epilido : I recall that kind of problem, I think. I think I solved it in /etc/exports. What does no_subtree_check do?
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22:59<epilido>no_subtree is the default
23:00<kop>epilido : I think you need to list every directory exported in /etc/exports, yes.
23:00<epilido>ok I guess just figured there might be an easier way
23:00<kop>epilido : But it's been way too long since I did nfs, so you can't rely on me.
23:01<kop>epilido : You should not have to list subdirectories of directories you export with nfs.
23:02<epilido>looks like I have to list the top directory of each physical device.
23:02<kop>epilido : But it may be that nfs exports filesystems, so if you've got different filesystems you may need to export each.
23:03<epilido>that seems to be true
23:04<epilido>I was just thinking that if I mounted all of the drioives on the remote to /mnt then I could just export /mnt to the network
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23:08<kop>epilido : You may find lvm and/or md handy if you don't want to keep separate filesystems.
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23:12<epilido>ill give it a look thanks
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23:36<jello>anyone tried the ath5k replacement for madwifi yet?
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