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---Logopened Thu Jan 24 00:00:00 2008
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00:00<Overfiend>yes, the actual ELF executable is called mozilla-bin even in our Iceweasel
00:00<xemacs>ok ;)
00:00<Overfiend>victor: I usually try -TERM first, then -HUP, -INT, and -QUIT
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00:00<Overfiend>if all else fails, use -KILL. But only as a last resort, as you may cause a resource leak that way.
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00:01<Overfiend>and I do think Iceweasel/Mozilla uses System V shared memory, so that's an actual problem
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00:01<Overfiend>some people advise using -KILL all the time as a way of being peevish and showing the process who's boss. They're stupid. Don't listen to them.
00:01<Overfiend>not unless you enjoy using tools like ipcrm
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00:02<Overfiend>okay, next weird problem--anyone know how to achieve the reverse of a loopback mount? I.e., I have a real ISO 9660 CD and I want to make it look like an .iso image file on the filesystem without having to rip it
00:03<Overfiend>it seems stupid to download a d-i ISO when I have a perfectly good full disc #1 right here
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00:04<kapil>Overfiend: create a raw device with "raw"?
00:04<Overfiend>kapil: huh. sumbitch. I didn't even know that existed. Interesting.
00:04<Overfiend> The rawio is a deprecated interface since Linux kernel 2.6.3. Please, modify your application to open the block device with the O_DIRECT flag.
00:04<Overfiend>this doesn't seem quite right
00:05<Overfiend>oh, hmmm
00:05<Overfiend>that might work after all
00:06<Overfiend>hmmm, /dev/raw doesn't exist on my system
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00:07<Overfiend>oh, they're in /dev/.static/dev/raw
00:08*Overfiend hates udev
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00:08<Overfiend>and /dev/rawctl isn't in the "real" /dev. Bleah.
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00:11<Overfiend>kapil: can't get it work on my kernel
00:11<Overfiend>some day I really need to learn how the twisted world of udev works
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00:11<Overfiend>kapil: thanks though
00:11<Overfiend>it was a promising lead
00:11<kapil>Overfiend: glad to be of no help :(
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00:17<kapil>freehat: sed is like perl only it does much less :)
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00:20<Overfiend>jeez, d-i sure does run slow in an emulator ;-)
00:20<freehat>kapil: I found out I could just use cut instead...
00:21<freehat>I really should write down all these mass renaming and tagging commands I come up with..
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00:28<Overfiend>auuuuuugh. d-i sure does run slowly under emulation
00:28<kapil>Overfiend: using "kqemu" might speed things up a bit.
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00:29<Overfiend>not in my case
00:29<Overfiend>$ uname -m
00:29<Overfiend>not going to get any speed increase by "natively" executing x86 instructions
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00:31*Overfiend leaves this to fester for a while. I'm not even to hd partitoning yet. sigh
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00:51<RIVE>See you, take care,
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00:56<leri>on lenny/testing, amd64 port, i am running iceweasel with mozilla-mplayer 3.50-0. mplayerplug-in-dvx.* fail to load when iceweasel starts (according to about:plugins), so video/divx isn't registered. i have checked that the symlinks in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins point to the right locations in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, have checked bug reports for the package, and have reinstalled the package. any ideas for things to try?
00:57<leri>the other mozilla-mplayer plugins do show up and work fine
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01:08<blarson>leri: may require some 32-bit comatability libraries, or only work in a 32-bit chroot.
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01:18<leri>blarson: originally i had thought that it would only work in 32 bit chroot, and for the past year with etch had been using the 64 bit iceweasel for everything else, and 32 bit chrooted iceweasel for divx.
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01:19<leri>blarson: but a resolved bug in the lenny amd64 package of mozilla-mplayer, where someone got divx mplayer plugin working, made me think that maybe i can do this. no luck yet, though
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01:46<chandu>what all causes may be there for "slow rate in image downloading"
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02:03<Slydder>morning all
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02:04<chandu>hello, what makes the image donwload slow over harddisk
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02:30<guillaume>Hi famd eat 50% of my cpu, is it normal ?
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02:48<blayde>does anyone get 'Treason uncloaked' in their logs a bunch and then system stops responding?
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02:51<blayde>actually i should go to bed... be back another time...
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03:11<dsfsdf>hi. is it possible to reinstall debian so it removes old stuff and system?
03:12<dsfsdf>eg with command aptitude?
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03:13<dondelelcaro>dsfsdf: old stuff is removed by default when nothing depends upon it.
03:13<dondelelcaro>dsfsdf: if you haven't been using aptitude consistently, you can always go through and mark anything that you don't specifically wnat to keep as automatically installed.
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03:14<dsfsdf>yes, but my debian is quite messy, its easier to make a new
03:15<dsfsdf>and i havent cdrom or floppy..
03:15<dondelelcaro>uh... unless you've installed stuff that isn't in Debian, you don't need to reinstall it.
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03:16<dondelelcaro>(and even if you have, you can just use cruft to figure out what those bits are and remove them)
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03:18<dsfsdf>ok. i will try it. but is there any possibilities i asked for? i know, with gentoo is it very easy to reinstall system
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03:20<dondelelcaro>it's possible to reinstall, and it's fairly easy, but it's almost never worth the effort.
03:20<dpkg>from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>.
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03:43<sheldonh>i'm looking for cli software that will go fetch a web page and its constituent components over and over and report back on load times and slowest objects, like the YSlow! plugin for firefox
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03:48<leri>sheldonh: i don't know of anything that specifically does what yslow will, but you might be able to script something using curl or wget, or if you want to program something, using libcurl
03:49<lorksoft>hello, i am under lenny amd64, I have 2 video card, 1 ati 1300xt and un integred Nvidia geforce 6100, I have 2 problems, first, only the primary video card work (the ati or the geforce depends of bios setting) for the second, i always have : Cannot read V_BIOS (3), The second probl?me is that ati and nvidia drivers conflict (If no solution with closed drivers, i think , i 'll use vesa xserver for Geforce (primary) and fglrx for at
03:49<lorksoft>i (second))
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03:51<sheldonh>leri: yeah, if nothing turns up in the next 20 minutes i'll just hack something up myself
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04:25<teclo->hi there, how broken/working is the live-helper that comes with Debian lenny ?
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04:36<panthera>teclo-: it's the same as in sid.
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04:37<Kebianizao|work>I'm getting a signal29 on a forked process, and I'd like to get a coredump of it. I set ulimit -c unlimited but I think that signal is not coredumped by default
04:37<Kebianizao|work>what could I do?
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04:51<teclo->panthera: yeah, but does it work properly ? :p
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04:53<darth_tux71>does linux ever work properly, the eternal beta
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04:56<darth_tux71>ok no one awake?
04:56<GhostlyDeath>i am awake
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04:57<sep>darth_tux71, i think it's one of the rare occasions when nobody bothered to be trolled.
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04:57<GhostlyDeath>"E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) || E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? || E: _cache->open() failed, please report." <-- This bad?
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04:58<Slydder>god i hate suse linux
04:58<GhostlyDeath>You are going to hell Slydder
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04:59<kapil>GhostlyDeath: lsof /var/lib/dpkg
05:00<GhostlyDeath>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev || Output information may be incomplete.
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05:01<GhostlyDeath>I don't think that's good either
05:02<kapil>GhostlyDeath: you probably ran lsof as a non-root user
05:03<bogdan1>have you installed debian on a server with a scsi controller Initio A100U2W?
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05:03<GhostlyDeath>kapil: my mistake
05:03<GhostlyDeath>kapil: outputs nothing, after Synaptics commited suicided, i dont get any errors
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05:06<kapil>GhostlyDeath: sounds like synaptic lost its nerve :)
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05:09<devil>GhostlyDeath: is there no other instance of dpkg running?
05:10<GhostlyDeath>devil: maybe that Automatic update notifier thing happened
05:10<GhostlyDeath>devil: once I closed Synaptics, it said there were updates
05:10<devil>GhostlyDeath: well, i use plain apt, but i know it happens if dpkg is running another orocess
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05:12<jebac>any here online _?
05:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:13<Dimadio>yea, ask
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05:16<bogdan1>have you installed debian on a server with a scsi controller Initio A100U2W?
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05:27<wnd>I still can't get multiple public IPs per nic work properly with linux-image-2.6.18-5-686. it works perfectly fine with good old kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686.
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05:29<wnd>I have set eth1 to have ip-A in /etc/network/interfaces and eth1:dom to have ip-B, but the world sees everything as coming from ip-A, no matter if I bind the socket to ip-B or not.
05:32<wnd>talking of which, is there a way to configure /etc/network/interfaces to set iface to have two IPv4 IPs without having aliases(?) such as ethx:foo?
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05:34<bogdan1>how can I load a scsi driver so Debian could see my hdd?
05:35<bogdan1>at installing time
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05:36<streuner__>most SCSI drivers are in d-i kernel itself...
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05:37<streuner__>is the SCSI controller supported at all?
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05:38<GhostlyDeath>Anyone know how to get dosbox in 80x50 mode?
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05:42<sublime>hi !
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05:44<bogdan1>it has support
05:44<bogdan1>but in kernel 2.6.18 is not loaded
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05:45<bogdan1>isn't build as module
05:45<wnd>being fed up with 2.6.18 I'd suggest you to try 2.6.8 instead ;-)
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05:46<bogdan1>yes but I have Debian 4.0r2
05:46<bogdan1>I don't want to install an older version
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05:46<wnd>that wasn't a real suggestion anyway
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05:47<GhostlyDeath>lenny is 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007
05:48<wnd>so is sid
05:48<kapil>wnd: install "iproute2" and use "ip addr add .... dev eth0 ... "
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05:48<kapil>wnd: ^ answer to second question.
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05:49<wnd>kapil, I know I can do that, I was just wondering if there's something that if{up,down} can take care of easily without after-up-or-down magic
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05:51<wnd>I mean, using post-up and post-down to add new ips just doesn't sound right. there should/must be a better way.
05:51<wnd>thanks anyway
05:52<sep>wnd, just craete new stancas in interfaces file
05:52<sep>call it eth0:1 forinstance
05:52<wnd>that's what I do right now
05:52<sep>and give it address and netmask, dont give it a gateway you have the on eth0 usualy
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05:52<sep>wnd, whats wrong with it ?
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05:53<wnd>functionally, nothing
05:54<sep>wnd, and if you do post-up and add a ip, or use a interface alias is identical in the kernel.
05:54<wnd>cosmetically I just don't like it that after adding an IPv6-address to eth1:dom ifconfig shows the address under eth1 instead :-)
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05:55<sep>wnd, sorry but that's a kernel issue dont think you can get back the old style display (where you actualy saw the aliases as interfaces)
05:55<sep>unless you revert to a older kernel that is :)
05:55<wnd>isn't 2.6.8 old enough?-)
05:55<sep>wnd, you should be able to bind to the other ip tho...
05:55<wnd>well, anyway, like I said it's only a cosmetic thing
05:56<wnd>I thought so too
05:56<sep>so i can only assume that's you doing something wrong. verify with netstat that the process is actualy bound to that spesific interface
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05:57<kapil>wnd: regarding question 1. if ip-A and ip-B belong to different networks then sending packets out to the B network should use the ip-B address. so I think the problem may only happen when both interfaces are in the same subnet.
05:58<wnd>I would like to think I'm doing something wrong, but I find it a little difficult to believe since the same configuration works perfectly fine with 2.6.8
05:58<wnd>kapil, they are
05:58<wnd>they are in the same subnet
06:00<wnd>hmm, I never thought of running netstat. however unless I remember it wrong, getsockname() returned the address I was supposed to bind().
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06:01<wnd>that's why my irc logs from august say
06:01<wnd>then again I'm not sure if that proves anything
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06:07<wnd>program I used to test getsockname():
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06:32<JustSoul>hello, How to stop executing script from function?
06:34<sheldonh>kde should get interesting on sid over the next couple of weeks :)
06:34<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:36<bartm>padski: sheldonh said kde, not kgb :)
06:36<devil>sheldonh: what do you see other than stuff for compat mode?
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06:39<devil>sheldonh: kdebase-runtime trickled in the other day, dbus-x11 is still missing, but with pulling that from experimantal, you can run dolphin or okular
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06:40<sheldonh>devil: i assume that runtime's arrival means it's all going to start tumbling in soon, which would make things interesting. flawed assumption?
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06:40<devil>sheldonh: i dont think, any desktop stuff will be available for a good while
06:40<devil>sheldonh: because lenny wont have it
06:41<devil>sheldonh: but who knows, i am not involved in kde in any way
06:42<Slydder>justSoul: return
06:43<devil>Slydder: we just do another useless debian derivate based on sid ;)
06:43<devil>Slydder: sry, that was for sheldonh
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06:44<JustSoul>Slydder: thx, but "kill -9 $$"
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06:45<Slydder>oh. you mean stop another (seperate) script/process from inside a function in your script.
06:46<Slydder>oh. i see what you mean.
06:46<Slydder>either way works
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06:48<kapil>JustSoul: "exit" should exit the script from inside a function as well.
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06:49<Slydder>i try to not use kill unless 100% necessary. one never knows. lol
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06:49<JustSoul>kapil: no, it exit only function and script continue executing
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06:51<Slydder>justSoul: I always use return and it works for me. as soon as you start using kill with $$ it gets hairy if you have other shells running inside the one you kill.
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07:00<sheldonh>devil: hmmm, i hadn't thought about the holdout for lenny
07:00<dpkg>one warez list being sent to smn450
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07:01<devil>sheldonh: kdebase-runtime 4:4.0.0-3 is in today plus kde-icons-oxygen 4:4.0.0-3
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07:01<devil>sheldonh: but i guess that is just a fix for the mishal khelpcenter
07:01<devil>*mishap with
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07:16<sheldonh>devil: ah, so you're actually watching what's going on. i'm just reviewing apt-listchanges output before my dist-upgrades :)
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07:17<devil>sheldonh: we have to keep an eye on stuff so we can stabilize our sidbaseddistro
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07:18<norbert_>anyone here willing to test a webpage under Linux?
07:18<norbert_>there is a pull down that should change the numbers on this page
07:18<norbert_>and it doesn't seem to work under Firefox, at least not on my computer
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07:19<devil>norbert_: the pulldown changes nothing with icewesel
07:20<norbert_>I talked with someone from that company and he tried it on Windows under IE and Firefox and it did work there
07:20<norbert_>so I guess I will file a bug with the Firefox project
07:21<devil>norbert_: hm, nothing happens in konq eitehr
07:21<norbert_>yeah, I tried Opera as well, didn't work
07:21<JustSoul>From where it better for start "logon" script when X user login
07:22<kcynice>hi,is there a tool can convert rmvb video files to mp4 format?
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07:22<devil>norbert_: maybe the bug should be filed for IE ;)
07:23<norbert_>devil: well, the man from that company tried it under Firefox as well
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07:23<norbert_>and it worked on Windows
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07:23<devil>norbert_: hm, strange
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07:38<JustSoul>Is it smth in bash like "source" but not executing target?
07:39<JustSoul>If target have some functions, that I need
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07:40<mjk>JustSoul: Never heard of that (although that doesn't mean there isn't such a thing). You'll probably have to copy the functions you need to your own script.
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07:41<JustSoul>That what I'm doing
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08:12<panagos>i'd like to make a somewhat theoretical question; why exactly does the kernel map the upper address space portion to kernel space?
08:14<panagos>why does the kernel's ram region have to be mapped to virtual memory?
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08:20<blarson>panagos: it makes syscalls faster. kernel needs to access the user process space
08:26<enouf>i'm not sure where to ask this; but i use "links2" (does both TUI and GUI) as my browser in GUI mode (links2 -g, xlinks2) -- it works in X and in Console(directfb) -- However, in Console, as $USER, it errors: svgalib cannot get I/O permission (and other Directfb errors above that) - i found the fix to be to chmod /dev/tty0 and /dev/input/mice from 0660 to 0666 - what security implications should i be made aware of if any?
08:27<enouf>(a bit more about the whole issue, though i only chmodded directly, i didn't alter my udev rules at all)
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08:28<enouf>also, prior to chmodding those two /dev/names, it will work fine as root in console - but we all know that's even much worse
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08:29<gsimmons>enouf: Don't do that. See /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian regarding the procedure for making the links2 binary setuid root.
08:29<enouf>oh, and i use soleyl Debian only, not ubuntu
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08:31<enouf>gsimmons: ahh, ok, will do - thanks -- i recall having to do that with cdrecord, or k3b back when that whole rw to scsi thing was transitioning ~ 2.6.8 (sarge)
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08:36<dx2>Hello world
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08:43<shevek>I have a debian stable machine here, it uses gnome and metacity. I'd like to use sawfish. I have the packages installed. How do I select it as default for my user?
08:43<shevek>(or how do I start it up at all?)
08:44<witte>shevek: how do you log in? using a dm (wdm, gdm, kdm, xdm) or do you use startx?
08:44<witte>shevek: at login, clidk on session
08:44<witte>shevek: sawfish should be in that list
08:45<shevek>Ah, right. Thanks
08:45<witte>and if you log in into sawfish, it will ask you if that is your default or not...
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08:45<witte>shevek: it does not have to be complicated ;-)
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08:46<shevek>witte: Well, I expected an option to change window managers while logged it. :-)
08:46<witte>shevek: gnome is no window manager, it is a desktop environment
08:47<witte>in windowmaker, i can switch to icewm
08:47<shevek>I know, but metacity is, and it's too limited for my taste.
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08:47<shevek>I used to just deinstall metacity, but gnome now depends on it (or compiz)
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08:48<shevek>Thanks again
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08:51<enouf>gsimmons: thanks again, i'm testing it now, seems to work fine, but i'm concerned about seeing it in ps aux, pstree output running as root - also, i seem to be finding some bugs while switching back and forth from Console to X and such - with whom do you think i can/should report these too? (i have much more testing to do though - and fwiw - i'm using an old p2 350MHz 320RAM, nvidia tnt2pro w/32MB AGP card, Xorg "nv" driver - no proprietary
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08:54<ServerSide>If a day, A new blog platform is comming on the cybernet, what do you would like it does?
08:57<sheldonh>ServerSide: i would like it to check my grammar ;)
08:58<gsimmons>!tell enouf -about setuid
08:59<gsimmons>enouf: You could use the Xorg "vesa" driver during troubleshooting, to determine if your display issue is related to use of the "nv" driver.
09:00<enouf>gsimmons: i see, good ideas
09:01<ServerSide>sheldonh: ok.. more requests?
09:01<sheldonh>ServerSide: no, i was just having a little joke at your expenses
09:01<JustSoul>good bye
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09:01<ServerSide>oh, yeah :)
09:01<enouf>gsimmons: i must not be understanding this whole setuid thing well though - i though running anything as root, especially a GUI capable browser is not good ;-) (consider those sites that contain explotiative .jpgs, .pngs, etc,)
09:01<sheldonh>but now, i must repartition
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09:03<enouf>gsimmons: IOW, the owner is root and was prior to setuid - Before: Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) After: Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
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09:06<enouf>gsimmons: when i look at links2 running in X (ps auxf), all the links2 PIDs belong to my $USER
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09:10<kcynice>help!i want to install mencoder on my debian.but it told me that there were some unmet dependencies.But,i have used apt-get update to make all the packages of my debian lastest.
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09:13<witte>kcynice: mencoder is from debian-multimedia i believe? So that is not really in debian... Have a look at the webpage, and paste the errors you got in a pastebin so we can have a look
09:13<witte>!tell kcynice about pastebin
09:13<gsimmons>!tell kcynice -about bat
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09:14<witte>gsimmons: mmm, that bat factoid is really nice, I should remember it (also for myself :-))
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09:21<gsimmons>witte: That's dondelelcaro's handiwork. Although inevitably you also ask for sources.list contents.
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09:24<xbox>hi there is there anyone who knows something about CUPS(Common Unix Print System) ?
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09:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:26<xbox>after reloading cups through /etc/init.d/cupsys restart i see in /var/log/cups/error_log a line " Unable to find IP address for server name "
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09:27<xbox>btw im running etch i just want to connect via the webbrowser to the remote cupsserver
09:28<xbox>accordin i-net there are a lot of poeple out ther who face the same problem
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09:31<xbox>well according to url: you should be able to listen to a interface/many interfaces with LISTEN 192.168.1.*:631
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09:33<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:36<xbox>hi chandu
09:36<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
09:37<chandu>I am facing "vermagic " problem while loading the module
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09:40<chandu>vermaigc is: 2.6.19 SMP mod_unload 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS should be 2.6.19 SMP mod_unload 386 REGPARM 4KSTACKS
09:40<chandu>xbox, Hi xbaez
09:40<chandu>xbox, hi xbox
09:40<xbox>hi chandu you know something about cups?
09:41<chandu>xbox, I dont know internal or command level in cups
09:42<chandu>please , can anybody give me some hints ..what may be the problem I can fix it
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10:13<ErikRose>What's the best nfs server package for just sharing my home dir?
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10:40<padski>I have a lenny system that is putting {a} after each package name on an aptitude install. what does it mean ???
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10:51<enouf>padski: perhaps 'archive' or 'autoinstall' or 'autoselect'? or some locale or char encoding issue? install aptitude-en-doc (or is it aptitude-doc-en) and see if you can find out, "man aptitude" and look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude
10:51<enouf>padski: (i don't use aptitude)
10:51<padski>enouf, thanks. yes, that makes sense
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10:52<padski>enouf, it was the char encoding issue that worried me :-)
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10:53<enouf>padski: heh
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12:12<Kalessin>hi, i have i little question
12:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:16<Kalessin>I would like to change apache2-prefork to apache2-worker
12:16<Kalessin>I just uninstall the first one, and install the second one ?
12:17<Kalessin>Or it is more complicated ?
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12:18<padski>Kalessin, reckon it's just install apache2-prefork in package management terms. don't know whether you need to do any config
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12:20<padski>hmm, reckon that's apache2-mpm-prefork
12:20<Kalessin>Apache is already configured, then it will be transparent ?
12:20<padski>Kalessin, dunno
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12:56<jumphigh>I need help! I move the mysqld data dir as I have done on other distributions and all web pages tell but on Debian mysqld won't start anymore.
12:57<jumphigh>I get an error: Table host is readonly
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13:07<neckname>is this a help channel?
13:07<raph_ael>it can be
13:08<witte>neckname: if you have a debian related question, just ask
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13:09<neckname>I'm upgrading my vga card and I wanted to know which steps to take
13:10<neckname>I'm trading one Nvidia for another
13:10<neckname>differente chipsets
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13:10<witte>neckname: do you use the nv driver?
13:10<witte>neckname: or do you use the official nvidia one?
13:11<neckname>nvidia glx one
13:11<witte>neckname: in any case, i would first backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf, plug the new card in, and give it a try :-)
13:12<witte>neckname: if that does not work, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and adding things that are not configured automatically from your old config one by one
13:12<neckname>on the internet some pages say that one can simply exchange one for the other...
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13:12<witte>neckname: i think this is indeed so
13:13<neckname>but aren't there any optimizations or stuff like that going on after you've installed it and it detected the first one?
13:13<witte>neckname: those things are done every time you load X
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13:13<witte>neckname: have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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13:14<witte>neckname: except names (which are placed there for you, not for the driver), the configuration has very few specific lines
13:15<witte>neckname: the main line is: driver "nvidia"
13:15<neckname>xorg.conf only has a "nvidia" entry, that's ok , but what about the driver itself?
13:15<muhkuh>hi there i want to install the ATIdriver version:8.28.8 is that a good idea?(want to play half life2)
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13:15<muhkuh>or is there a nu version allready?
13:16<witte>neckname: X will start, and use the nvidia driver, and that will initialize the card
13:16<witte>neckname: you can see all the steps in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:16<witte>neckname: in any case: you can try, if it does not work, you have bad luck, but in most cases it should just work
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13:17<neckname>and the card should work to its full performance ?
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13:18<witte>neckname: yes, unless you have some specifics added in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:18<neckname>ok then, I'll give it a try
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13:19<witte>neckname: mind if it is a pc card, it has to be in the same sloth
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13:20<witte>mmm, sloth is a kind of beast, in the same pci hole in any case :-)
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13:26<muhkuh>hi there i want to install the ATIdriver version:8.28.8 is that a good idea?(want to play half life2)
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13:32<witte>anyone knows of a good program to keep an eye on some stocks?
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13:33<muhkuh>how can i install the dirver if its a .run script
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13:33<witte>it should retrieve the information from the web and display it in some graphs/spreadsheet data
13:34<witte>damn, how is the ati driver called again :P
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13:34<muhkuh>isnt this a self executing scripi got fglrx
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13:35<muhkuh>but it said it would be an installer
13:35<muhkuh>got it from ATIs homepage
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13:36<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
13:36<witte>ok, but the ati driver would result in the same thing
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13:36<witte>and a run file, you just run in your shell
13:36<muhkuh>my i got the wron driver in wine?
13:37<witte>wine? for a graphics driver? never
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13:37<witte>chmod +x runfile; ./runfile
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13:37<witte>muhkuh: is there no readme file with it?
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13:38<witte>muhkuh: you did download the linux driver from the ati webpage, right?
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13:38<muhkuh>yes i did
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13:39<witte>ok, just checking :-)
13:39<muhkuh>it is only that scrifp
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13:39<muhkuh>may i'll check the homepage again an take another driver
13:40<muhkuh>or tar archieve
13:40<azeem>is there a particular reason you use the ATI installer?
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13:40<witte>maybe the script does that for you
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13:41<muhkuh>just thought it would be easier
13:41<muhkuh>semms not
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13:43<witte>the open source solution is always the easiest as it is integrated in the system
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13:43<muhkuh>what do i need ? Xree86 or Xorg
13:44<muhkuh>ok thanks
13:44<muhkuh>i'll check
13:44<witte>muhkuh: which debian version do you run? stable, testing or unstable?
13:44<muhkuh>that's an rpm
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13:45<muhkuh>i guess
13:45<ttt>i a
13:45<muhkuh>since yesterday with non free src
13:45<azeem>muhkuh: what's the problem with the fglrx driver in stable then?
13:45<witte>!fglrx one-liner
13:45<dpkg>well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
13:45<muhkuh>half life tells me ther is no driver or such
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13:45<muhkuh>i'll check again
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13:46<azeem>muhkuh: maybe it's rather a problem with your setup than, and not with the etch driver?
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13:47<muhkuh>that really could bee azeem cause nothing works like i want : D
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13:48<muhkuh>i install it again at the moment like dpkg told me ....
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13:49<max7>Hello, My Sound Volume is very low. But all settings are set to their maximum. I have Toshiba A100-002. Could some one help me?
13:49<witte>muhkuh: before it will work, you will need to restart your xserver
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13:49<max7>I can that it works in head phone only. It is so low :(
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13:50<max7>I can hear that it works in head phone only. It is so low :(
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13:50<muhkuh>ok but the 2nd:fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx....
13:50<muhkuh>just tells me comand not found
13:50<muhkuh>what do i do wrong
13:51<witte>muhkuh: that is one line
13:51<witte>muhkuh: there is no second line ;-)
13:51<azeem>muhkuh: which command is not found?
13:51<Lufkin>is there a way to install a windows driver in linux
13:51<azeem>Lufkin: why would you need that?
13:51<Lufkin>or convert it to linux
13:52<muhkuh>fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed.
13:52<muhkuh>didnt want to paste all
13:52<azeem>muhkuh: did you read what witte just said?
13:52<Lufkin>my network card won't work
13:52<azeem>Lufkin: wlan?
13:52<Lufkin>could someone help me
13:52<muhkuh>so everythin at once
13:53<Lufkin>wired lan
13:53<azeem>Lufkin: what does "lspci | grep Ether" say?
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13:53<muhkuh>thoght i would be anoter one cause ofe the ampty line
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13:53<witte>azeem: Lufkin has a p2 with an eepro100 chipset that does not get recognized by the installer
13:54<witte>Lufkin: unless your situation is changed since two days ago :-)
13:54<silent>With the amount of excess time I have now, that was previously used to maintain Windows, I'm at a loss for things to do.
13:54<Lufkin>intel 82557/8/9
13:54<Lufkin>thats what lspci | grep Ether
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13:56<Lufkin>and what witte said is what is happening
13:57<Torsten_W>Lufkin: u could use ndiswrapper
13:57<Torsten_W>Lufkin: but intel should work with an actual kernel
13:57<muhkuh>got trouble
13:57<muhkuh>shold i worry??
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13:58<Lufkin>torsten_w; do i type that in
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13:58<Torsten_W>Lufkin: what?
13:58<witte>Torsten_W: for his card this should not be needed. It is the onboard network card of an intel 440 BX motherboard, which was even supported maybe 10 years ago
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13:59<muhkuh>fatal error sounds so scary
13:59<Torsten_W>witte: that's what i'm write after the ndiswrapper
13:59<azeem>muhkuh: did you try that as root?
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13:59<azeem>muhkuh: then check in dmesg for further errors
14:00<azeem>did I write dmesg?
14:00<azeem>did I write demesg?
14:01<muhkuh>im just a bad typer ^^
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14:01<muhkuh>maybe that's why i got all that trouble
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14:02<Lufkin>torsten_w; did you tell me to type in ndiswrapper
14:02<dwalin>hmmm, any idea how to get etch install on an i965 mainboard ? installation hangs before partitioning
14:03<witte>!tell dwalin about etch 2.6.23
14:03<Torsten_W>Lufkin: for your intel-nic you don't need ndiswrapper
14:03<Torsten_W>Lufkin: if you will know more about ndiswrapper, use google
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14:03<dwalin>witte: I do have already the image with 2.6.23 from but it still hangs
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14:04<witte>Lufkin: can you type the following in a terminal: dmesg |grep eth
14:04<witte>dwalin: ah, ok that is strange
14:05<witte>dwalin: I think it should be doable. What is the error
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14:05<muhkuh>got a lot of errors
14:06<dwalin>witte: it hangs before partitioning 'scanning disks' at 38% now for more the 20 minutes
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14:07<Lufkin>e100:eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xed9ff000, irq 9, Mac addr 00:A0:83:35:13:59
14:07<muhkuh>guess i'd never find the real problem on my own
14:07<Lufkin>thats what the first part of dmesg | grep eth said
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14:07<linduxed>is there any command to find (and if possible purge) all packages that were pulled in once as deps, but have lost their parent-packages? (removed)
14:07<dwalin>witte: oh, no... there is a progress now ... he only need _very_ long... changed after 15 to 20 minutes to loading program for partitioning and that need again very very long
14:07<azeem>Lufkin: put the whole output on a pastebin
14:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:08<witte>linduxed: deborphan
14:08<dwalin>witte: i started it with the boot option 'generic.all_generic_ide=1' because else he did not discover the cdrom drive
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14:10<linduxed>witte: will try
14:10<witte>dwalin: good that it works now
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14:11<dwalin>witte: not really... he is still hanging on loading the paritioning program
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14:11<muhkuh>my computer chrashed
14:11<witte>dwalin: mmm, do you have a special raid controller or anything?
14:13<azeem>muhkuh: what does "lscpci | grep VGA" say?
14:14<dwalin>witte: I see many lost irqs on hde and hdg ... no only two seagate baracuda on the building sata controller and an old CD/DVD rom drive on the pata controller of the i965 chipset
14:14<metalqga>grep: /usr2/home/women/* File not found :D
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14:14<dwalin>s/building/build in/
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14:15<muhkuh>command not found
14:15<witte>muhkuh: lspci |grep VGA
14:15<linduxed>lets say youve got some packages lined up in a textfile (for instance "wine <new line> openoffice <new line> amarok") and you want apt or aptitude to read that instead of having to type all of those, how do you "pipe em in"?
14:16<muhkuh>need more details
14:16<azeem>muhkuh: huh?
14:16<azeem>we want the full line, obviously
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14:16<witte>dwalin: sorry, can't really help you on this one, i thought i had a i965 myself on my work pc, but that is an older version
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14:17<witte>linduxed: apt-get remove --purge `deborphan`
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14:17<dwalin>hmmm, 'dma_timer_expiry: dma_status == 0x24"
14:18<azeem>[fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed
14:18<blarson>linduxed: xargs aptitude install <textfile
14:18<azeem>weird error then
14:18<witte>linduxed: if you are still working on that
14:18<azeem>muhkuh: well, bad luck I guess
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14:18<linduxed>witte: well yeah but i think dwalin's tip was more broad and i wanted to know that.
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14:19<Lufkin>ok this is what it said
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14:19<alexou>Hi everybody, i have nvidia 8400 driver 168.09, in TV-out mode the border are out of the screen. I try TVOverScan but that doesn't work. someone have an idea ?
14:19<witte>linduxed: which one, it seems i missed that
14:20<witte>linduxed: eager to learn new tricks :-)
14:20<muhkuh>got another one since that driver update my Xserver restarts by itself = D
14:20<muhkuh>what do i do
14:20<linduxed>xargs aptitude install <textfile
14:20<muhkuh>unbelievable isnt it?
14:20<azeem>muhkuh: what driver did you use before?
14:20<witte>linduxed: ah, ok see it now (was blarson btw and not dwalin)
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14:21<muhkuh>the one that came with the net install
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14:21<azeem>muhkuh: so probably ati
14:21<muhkuh>i'll go find it
14:21<azeem>revert to that
14:21<linduxed>witte: wrong line read :-P
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14:22<witte>Lufkin: can you post the output of ifconfig as well?
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14:22<KRS>hi, how can i change the default browser. when i used the firefox action this happen in the console:
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14:22<witte>Lufkin: together with the output of "dhclient eth0"
14:22<KRS>(Gecko:9595): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Veraltete Funktion. Änderungen an der MIME-Datenbank durch den Benutzer werden nicht mehr unterstützt.
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14:23<muhkuh>cant find another one maybe it is the same one? there are just more things calle fglrx installed now
14:24<Lufkin>ok hold on
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14:25<alexou>muhkuh, why do you need to use fglrx ?
14:26<muhkuh>i dont know
14:26<muhkuh>just need to get half live runnin
14:26<muhkuh>tells me there is no compatible driver
14:26<azeem>muhkuh: apparently your hardware is not compatible with Debian 4.0
14:27<azeem>muhkuh: 20:17 < azeem> muhkuh: well, bad luck I guess
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14:27<alexou>muhkuh, what is your ati card ?
14:27<sco50000>what is the best ircd?
14:27<muhkuh>my hardware is not compatible with anything
14:27<muhkuh>just with the garbage ton behind the house ^^
14:27<dwalin>sco50000: depends on your religion ;-)
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14:28<muhkuh>asus a
14:28<sco50000>dwalin: what do you mean?
14:28<muhkuh>asus a 9250
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14:28<alexou>ati 9250 ?
14:28<alexou>me too :)
14:28<dwalin>sco50000: that 'what is the best ircd' is a religous question as 'what is the best editor' is
14:28<muhkuh>but you got a mobo that works =)
14:29<muhkuh>me not
14:29<sco50000>i'm just asking you opinions
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14:29<alexou>muhkuh, which driver do you use actually ? ati or fglrx ?
14:29<azeem>sco50000: /msg dpkg poll
14:30<muhkuh>azeem what exactly isnt workin on debin
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14:30<muhkuh>what of my hardware
14:30<muhkuh>i mean
14:30<azeem>the graphics card
14:30<alexou>muhkuh, what is your problem with this card on debian ?
14:30<pumpkin0>muhkuh: the 920 has a RV280 chip. It works with the opensource radeon driver.
14:31<dwalin>sco50000: i am using ircd-hybrid-7.2.1 at the moment (no, not on debian)
14:31<sco50000>well, what do you think is the best ircd to use on my home computer, that will work well with debian and be easy to configure and administrate?
14:31<muhkuh>where to find that open src...
14:31<azeem>muhkuh: it's "ati"
14:31<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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14:32<pumpkin0>muhkuh: it is installed by default with every debian etch/lenny.
14:32<mc>sco50000: there is no such thing. if you operate an ircd, learn it.
14:32<mc>ircd-hybrid would be a fine choice, though.
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14:33<muhkuh>may i should just push the button to switch it off then
14:33<alexou>muhkuh, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ! and not xserver-xfree86
14:33<muhkuh>i try
14:33<sco50000>hmm, most people seem to be saying hybrid, so i'll try that
14:33<aptituz>i prefer unrealircd :P
14:34<alexou>linux + video card is not cool
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14:34<sco50000>is it just a matter of personal preference, or does unreal have some advantages?
14:34<pumpkin0>alexou: debian + anything from ATI is no fun. But nvidia and intel work fine.
14:35<muhkuh>ok the setup tells me it is raedon9200pro
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14:35<alexou>pumpkin0, i am on nvidia and i have a problem
14:35<muhkuh>should i change in 9250?
14:35<pumpkin0>alexou: tell me.
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14:35<pumpkin0>muhkuh: use the driver ati (or radeon). Do not tell it anything about the card, you don't need to. It will autodetect.
14:36<alexou>pumpkin0, i have nvidia 8400 driver 169.09, in TV-out mode the border are out of the screen. I try TVOverScan but that doesn't work. someone have an idea ?
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14:36<mc>unreal is a vanity ircd.
14:36<sco50000>mc: what do you mean by that?
14:37<mc>its good when you only want to be some ubercool something
14:37<muhkuh>bus identificator?
14:37<pumpkin0>muhkuh: nothing at all.
14:37<pumpkin0>alexou: what resolution do you use.
14:37<muhkuh>u're so patient
14:38<alexou>muhkuh, in root : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose ati, restart X and try glxinfo | grep direct -> the answer should be direct rendering: Yes
14:38<sco50000>what about inspircd? it appears to have more features than hybrid and it can use mysql, which is a plus for me
14:38<alexou>pumpkin0, I try 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480
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14:39<mc>what do you need mysql for?
14:39<witte>Lufkin: that looks ok
14:39<mc>inspircd is something i dont know, though
14:39<witte>Lufkin: was that ip generated automatically or did you fill it in yourself
14:39<pumpkin0>alexou: TVs usually use PAL/NTSC/SECAM. These are all < 640x480. So the driver has to clip something if it wants to display the pixels 1:1
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14:41<alexou>pumpkin0, on windows it's ok in 1024x768, which resolution should i try ?
14:41<alexou>i am on pal-N
14:41<pumpkin0>alexou: then use PAL.
14:41<azeem>Lufkin: that's one of the link-local IPs, i.e. DHCP did not work
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14:42<alexou>pumpkin0, I replace PAL-N by PAL ?
14:42<azeem>Lufkin: is networking fine from that computer running a different operating system?
14:42<Lufkin>i know dhcp didn't work
14:43<pumpkin0>alexou: the -X part is not important for recent (build in the last 15 years) TV sets if you use TV-out.
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14:44<linduxed>that xargs trick didnt work out
14:45<linduxed>neither did the 'deborphans' work
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14:45<linduxed>i tried both some secs ago
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14:46<linduxed>basically i want apt to check a textfile for the designated packages instead of typing em out
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14:47<juffe>hello! what package i need, that i can turn on k3b-mp3 support?
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14:53<Lufkin>the dhclient eth0 couldn't connect
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14:54<azeem>Lufkin: what does this say? dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient
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14:55<Lufkin>the dhclient said no dhcp offers recieved
14:55<sco50000>what is the point of installing bind on my home computer? what can it be used for?
14:56<sepski>sco50000, serving dns requests
14:57<sepski>acting as a caching name service
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14:57<Lufkin>it says /sbin/dhclient package doesnt exisit
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14:58<azeem>Lufkin: how do you run DHCP?
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14:58<Lufkin>what do you mean?
14:58<azeem>Lufkin: 20:52 < Lufkin> the dhclient eth0 couldn't connect
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14:59<azeem>how do you know that if you don't run dhclient?
15:01<Lufkin>when i ran chclient eth0 it said nodhcp offers recieved after trying to connect about 7 time
15:01<azeem>Lufkin: what does "which dhclient" say?
15:02<azeem>Lufkin: it says "?"?
15:03<azeem>Lufkin: are you taking a walk after each line you type or something?
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15:03<Lufkin>i don't understand
15:03<azeem>"which dhclient" is a command, as indicated by the quotes
15:04<Lufkin>hold on
15:04<azeem>Lufkin: I suspect you ran "dpkg -s /sbin/dhclient" earlier, not "dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient" as I told you
15:04<azeem>GNU/Linux is a Unix ancestor, and Unix is case-sensitive
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15:04<azeem>so what does dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient say?
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15:06<azeem>Lufkin: ?
15:06<Lufkin>it says dhcp3-client: /sbin/dhclient
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15:08<spq>i have problems with php, the /tmp dir is mounted via nfs and php hangs when i start a session with session_start
15:08<Lufkin>so what do i do now
15:08<azeem>Lufkin: maybe try to setup static IP and see whether you can ping to/from the box
15:09<azeem>Lufkin: what is the DHCP server, a WLAN router?
15:09<Lufkin>it is a linksys wrt54g
15:09<Lufkin>i think
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15:10<azeem>any other machines on that network?
15:10<Lufkin>yes 2
15:10<Lufkin>the one i am on now which is windows xp
15:10<Lufkin>and another which is windows xp
15:11<azeem>maybe see their IP/Gateway setup and assign a similar IP and the gateway manually; then try to ping to/from
15:11<azeem>otherwise, I'm out of ideas
15:11<Lufkin>how do setup ip and stuff
15:12<azeem>there's documentation on that on the net I guess
15:12<azeem>or see the ifconfig and route manpages
15:12<azeem>or just setup /etc/network/interfaces accordingly, man interfaces
15:12<Lufkin>i am like really new to linux
15:13<azeem>Lufkin: ok
15:13<azeem>Lufkin: do you run Gnome or KDE?
15:13<Lufkin>gnome i thing
15:13<Lufkin>yeah gnome
15:14<azeem>then try to remove the eth0 block from /etc/network/interfaces and install "network-manager-gnome"
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15:16<sco50000>is there a thing like WINE to run mac programs on linux?
15:16<azeem>that is more like qemu though I think
15:17<azeem>i.e. you might need a Mac OS license, no idea
15:17<azeem>oh, and it's only for powerpc
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15:17<Lufkin>azeem; how do i do that
15:18<azeem>Lufkin: do what?
15:18<azeem>please be more specific with your questions
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15:19<Lufkin>you said to try to remove the eth0 block and install something
15:19<azeem>which part is unclear?
15:19<azeem>there's the "and"
15:19<azeem>so either the part before or after the "and" is unclear, or both
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15:20<Cs>Tem algum Brasileiro ai?
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15:20<azeem>"how?" is not an appropriate answer to thata
15:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:20<Lufkin>both i just want you to tell me how to do it
15:20<azeem>Cs: ^^
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15:20<azeem>Lufkin: run "nano /etc/network/interfaces" as root
15:20<Cs>dpkg é op ?
15:20<Lufkin>ok just a sec
15:21<azeem>remove the eth0 from the "auto ..." line, and remove all other lines mentioning eth0
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15:21<Cs>legal quando linguas vc fala
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15:22<azeem>Cs: this is an english channel
15:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:22<Cs>ok vou sair agora
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15:23<Cs>mei responde, se eu falasse outra lingua e conctasse pedindo informação vc saberia responder, ou foi por acaso?
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15:25<Lufkin>azeem; i did that
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15:25<azeem>Lufkin: now run "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" as root
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15:26<Lufkin>ohh azeem there is no eth0 auto
15:27<malex>Is there a way to debug xorg when it suddenly shoots up to 100% cpu usage and it becomes completely unresponsive? I have to login via ssh and kill -9 its process and loose all my work every couple of days because of this.
15:27<azeem>Lufkin: even better then
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15:27<malex>I am still able to login remotely, so maybe there is a way to find out what the culprit is.
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15:29<Lufkin>it said already the lates version
15:30<kop>malex : Check the logs, run top, run vmstat, run iostat. Maybe run sar.
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15:30<azeem>Lufkin: ok
15:30<azeem>Lufkin: then run "nm-applet" as your regular user
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15:31<kop>Anyone with thoughts on apt-proxy vs apt-cacher?
15:31<azeem>you should get some new icon in the systray
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15:31<Lufkin>yes i did
15:32<azeem>what does it display?
15:32<azeem>two computers?
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15:32<Lufkin>but now there is two of them
15:32<azeem>Lufkin: so you had it running already
15:33<azeem>Lufkin: right-click on one and select "Connection Information" or so
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15:34<azeem>it still shows that 196.xxxxx stuff?
15:34<Lufkin>it does
15:35<azeem>Lufkin: ok, run "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" as root
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15:36<azeem>now check the information again
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15:37<azeem>that sucks
15:37<azeem>your Windows PCs have a different IP than I hope?
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15:38<Lufkin>it is
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15:38<Lufkin>for the one i am on
15:38<azeem>Lufkin: you could check in /var/log/daemon.log whether there is some hint from Network Manager
15:38<Lufkin>just a sec
15:39<azeem>Lufkin: also make sure there really is no "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces anymore
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15:39<malex>kop: logs only contain startup info. top shows a single xorg process at 100% cpu. There is plenty of memory (and a second CPU) available as shown by vmstat. I've not checked the io. It's still a mystery.
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15:41<Lufkin>ok hold on
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15:42<uspt>uptodate sdl needs kernel 2.6?
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15:43<kop>malex : The next step might then be to do something to tell X to do more logging, or some sort of debugging mode. At this point your out of my depth. :(
15:44<kop>I can't think of a reason why I shouldn't use apt-cacher to cache Is there one?
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15:48<IRCFrEAK>Hi all !
15:48<IRCFrEAK>i think i need some help ...
15:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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15:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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15:50<IRCFrEAK>i 'm setting up proftpd+ TLS ... now i'd like to know if only the ftp-control (TCP:21) session in encrypted org both (ftp-cpntrol + ftp-data)
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15:51<blackhole89>Hm, I've run into an odd problem with the experimental-tree KDE4 packages...
15:52<petemc>really? youd think they would be rock solid..
15:52<pumpkin0>IRCFrEAK: in TLS-mode both are encrypted.
15:52<blackhole89>Namely, it seems like removing the bulk of the leftover packages from 3.5 to get the dependencies of kdeartwork functioning (I had the base setup up and functioning for a while beforehand and wanted to look at the rest of the packages)
15:52<blackhole89>resulted in it not starting anymore at all
15:53<themill>!tell blackhole89 about kde4
15:53<IRCFrEAK>pumpkin0: someone told me it has trouble with ipfilter_ftp_contrack module. is ti true ?
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15:53<themill__>!tell blackhole89 about kde4
15:53<blackhole89>Yeah, I know it's "experimental" for a reason, but...:P
15:53<themill__>blackhole89: please ask in #debian-kde
15:53<blackhole89>Ah, so there is a distinct channel for that after all
15:54<blackhole89>sorry and thanks for your time
15:54<themill__>blackhole89: yes. I'm not sure whether the one on here or freenode is better though. Probably the same people in both.
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15:54<blackhole89>Well, freenode's at least seems considerably larger
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15:55<IRCFrEAK>pumpkin0: someone told me it has trouble with ipfilter_ftp_contrack module. is it true ?
15:56<pumpkin0>IRCFrEAK: where did you get that module from and what is it suposed to do ?
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15:58<IRCFrEAK>pumpkin0: it's part of the debian etch 4.0.r1 stable distribution. IPFILTER has modules and one of the contrack module is the ftp_contrack
15:58<IRCFrEAK>pumpkin0: it's part of the debian etch 4.0.r1 stable distribution. IPFILTER has modules and one of the contrack module is the ftp_contrack
15:59<pumpkin0>IRCFrEAK: if you encrypt stuff IPFILTER will not see it => no it will not work.
15:59<IRCFrEAK>well ... so the only think i can do ... i thank you very mutch for helping me !!
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16:01<IRCFrEAK>pumpkin0: well ... so the only thing i can do is thank you very mutch for helping me !! (excuse typos!)
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16:02<IRCFrEAK>thanks again !
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16:13<Pid>Hi i have a question about the ProcessID. Someone got time?
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16:15<themill__>!just ask
16:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:18<Pid>In debian every process has an prozess id, if one process ends what happen to its id? Can another process get this id or is this id lost till an reboot?
16:19<skillii>hi, has anyone of you installed a pptp-server? I have really problems to get it working(I can't connect to the connect to the server, and when I make a portscan on my server there is no pptp-port open!)
16:20<themill__>Pid: process ids are eventually recycled.
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16:22<Pid>k thank you
16:22<pumpkin0>Pid: but there are a lot of available IDs so it takes a long time to reach the max and restart again.
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16:22<Pid>k thank you both cu and gn8
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16:23<themill__>Pid: some background reading for you:
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16:40<mthomas>greetings, does debian support the wmv file extension? someone sent me a video of a bridge I need to see and it is in windows media 9
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16:43<dpkg>[debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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16:44<themill__>mthomas: ^^ dmm has the w32codecs package that will help with that.
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16:45<mthomas>sorry themill, what is dmm
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16:45<insigne>l ktork yjory
16:45<insigne> pú pglpgulgpb
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16:46<themill__>mthomas: read the last thing that dpkg said. It's the repository.
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16:46<mthomas>right, backscrolling now
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16:49<loiro25>ae galera
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16:51*mthomas thinks I have it, thanks
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17:42<bkw>When I modprobe snd_hda_intel I get WARNING: Error inserting snd_hwdep (/lib/modules/2.6.23/kernel/sound/acore/snd-hwdep.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg), how do I solve this?
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17:43<witte>bkw: look at the output of dmesg (last lines
17:43<bkw>there are repeated snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_step lines
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17:44<witte>bkw: looks like a bug to me, or unsupported hardware
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17:45<devil>bkw: cat /proc/asound/cards
17:45<bkw>The sound worked, but after a X crash and reboot it has stoped working :(
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17:45<bkw>--- no soundcards ---
17:46<bkw>the sound worked earlier, I've been upgrading my alsa now running 2.6.23
17:46<devil>bkw: did you run alsaconf as root?
17:46<bkw>but after the alsa upgrade I cannot load my sound modules anymore :/
17:47<devil>bkw: now
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17:47<devil>or after alsa update
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17:48<devil>bkw: hda_intel is still tricky
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17:48<bkw>hmm, okey, I've run alsaconf and it should be ready
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17:51<bkw>Maybe a reboot is needed after the compile of new alsa modules?
17:52<bkw>bkw@venus:~/tmp/alsa-patched$ cat /proc/asound/cards
17:52<bkw> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
17:52<bkw> HDA Intel at 0xf4580000 irq 10
17:55<bkw>I got that when I removed all sound modules and did modprobe snd_hda_intel
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17:55<bkw>But still the device seem to be missing
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17:55<bkw>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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17:55<bkw>[00000370] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
17:56<bkw>when I try to use vlc
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17:56<bkw>why so much problems with snd_hda_intel.. :/
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17:57<azeem>bkw: /dev/dsp is OSS not ALSA
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17:58<lfs>What is command to copy a dvd from dvd disk?
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17:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:58<witte>lfs: k9copy could be one
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17:58<fenix>TEM BRASILEIRO
17:58<azeem>fenix: please write in english
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18:00<bkw>azeem, it works to play a mp3 stream with mplayer, but no sound and when I try to run alsamixer I get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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18:00<azeem>bkw: what do you mean with "it works but no sound"
18:00<bkw>mplayer plays the stream
18:00<themill__>lfs: video dvd? dvdrip from is good too. /msg dpkg dmme
18:01<bkw>but no sound out of the speakers
18:01<azeem>how does it play the stream if there's no sound?
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18:02<bkw>dmesg shows ALSA /home/bkw/tmp/alsa-patched/alsa-driver-1.0.15/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/patch_si3054.c:238: si3054: cannot initialize. EXT MID = 0000
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18:03<bkw>Would an kernel upgrade to 2.6.24 help?
18:03<azeem>what are you using now?
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18:04<themill__>the as-yet-unreleased 2.6.24? :)
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18:04<bkw>and latest stable alsa
18:04<azeem>and how old is your computer?
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18:06<bkw>azeem, it is only a few months, maybe 6months. its a hp nx7300
18:06<bkw>And the strange thing is that the sound worked earlier today! X crashed so I did reboot from console, and since then it hasn't been working
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18:09<julio>tem algum br aqui?
18:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:10<julio>oq devo fazer naum estou entendedo
18:10<themill__>julio, fenix: /join #debian-br
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18:10<azeem>bkw: did you try to reboot maybe
18:12<bkw>azeem, I will try that now, brb
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18:14<tomi>van itt valaki, aki még nem aluszik? :D
18:14<dpkg>hmm... hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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18:16<tomi>segitene valaki?
18:16<azeem>tomi: this is an english channel
18:17<tomi>i've installed a mozilla firefox and java 6 runtime environment
18:17<tomi>but it doesn't work
18:17<tomi>i've create a symlink
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18:18<azeem>did you install the Debian packages, or some random stuff off the internet?
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18:18<skillii>hi, how do I route packets from ppp0 to a gateway connected to eth0?
18:19<lfs>Is it possible to email a 700 MB file?
18:19<witte>lfs: possible: i would hope not
18:20<streuner>lfs: some mail-server ISP would prolly kill you :-)
18:20<streuner>or the one who get that mail :-)
18:22<streuner>in most cases its limited, so there is a clear NO to answer
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18:23<witte>lfs a direct file transfer would be better
18:23<tomi>lfs: use ftp
18:23<streuner>vis ssh for example
18:23<tomi>thanks for help
18:23<tomi>good bye
18:23<tomi>have a nice dreams
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18:23<themill__>!ftp must die
18:23<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE!
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18:24<witte>lfs: I think even the file transfer things some instant messaging clients have built in are better suited for that
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18:25<petemc>http works ok too
18:26<exyan>how can you extract a file from 50rar archives? Ark doesn't work with that :/
18:26<exyan>well, ark uses unrar
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18:26<petemc>perhaps you need the non-free unrar
18:27<exyan>lemme try
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18:28<exyan>aw, that kinda did the trick :)
18:28<exyan>thx m8
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18:29<Phoenix_the_II>hmmm, anyone tried installing a mac guest os in xen?
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18:46<smink>hi good night
18:46<smink>anyone knows any good wallpaper switcher (random time for example) for ubuntu ...
18:46<smink>i have tried desktop drapes, wallpapoz and other alike but they crash frequently :s
18:47<themill__>that's built into the kde desktop manager.
18:47<themill__>But you should ask on #ubuntu on
18:47<smink>:s using ubuntu :(
18:47<smink>oki themill__
18:48<smink>will ask there then ... tx for the tip
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18:48<GhostlyDeath>I think I'll join a Ubuntu channel and ask about Debian
18:49<snogglethorpe>GhostlyDeath: they'll just grab some answers from #debian and post them
18:49<themill__>now now...
18:49<GhostlyDeath>snogglethorpe: heh
18:49<snogglethorpe>GhostlyDeath: with the names M-x replaced of course
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18:50<GhostlyDeath>snogglethorpe: want to test that theory?
18:51<smink>very funny GhostlyDeath :)
18:52<snogglethorpe>GhostlyDeath: I prefer not to test my theories; I might find they're wrong
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18:52<predder>you and the rest of the religious community
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18:56<LearningCurve>hi all
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18:58<iury__>i've installed etch via pppoe using modules=ppp-udeb @ boot
18:58<iury__>after the install
18:58<iury__>when I boot
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18:58<iury__>my connection is up (ppp0 at ifconfig)
18:58<iury__>but it doesn't work
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19:01<iury__>what can i do to get it workin, on and off?
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19:01<iury__>there's no pppoe-start, stop
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19:08<devil>iury__: ifup/ifdown eth0 or whatever the device is
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19:09<iury__>thank you :)
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19:09<iury__>and to configure?
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19:10<iury__>the conection starts up normally
19:10<iury__>but doesn't work
19:10<devil>iury__: i dont know what tools etch uses
19:11<devil>iury__: just edit /etc/network/interfaces to your needs
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19:12<iury__>thank you :)
19:12<iury__>i'm still a little lost in debian
19:12<Woet`>Hey. Im trying to set up proftpd with a mysql database (so it gets the users from mysql) but im having trouble. does someone know a tutorial or a alternative?
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19:12<iury__>i used to like pppoe-start of slack
19:12<devil>iury__: it will get better
19:12<Woet`>it doesnt need to be proftpd, just safe and it needs to get the users from mysql
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19:13<iury__>and, the last doubt
19:14<iury__>how do i install a .deb?
19:14<iury__>i was trying aptitude install xxxxx.deb
19:14<iury__>but it refuses
19:14<devil>iury__: dpkg -i xxx.deb
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19:18<iury__>i'm ashamed... heh I was quite good with slack
19:18<iury__>but when it comes to debian i'm like a 10-year-old boy
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19:20<noflash>iury__ look at there is an installation manual and the reference is good :)
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19:22<iury__>i've looked
19:23<iury__>i was sucessfull at installing
19:23<iury__>but i can't get internet to work
19:24<Woet>nobody ? :(
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19:32<Gatinho20>olá alguém pode me ajudar
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19:33<dpkg>it has been said that be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
19:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:35<Nemoder>I have an older 200mhz machine running sarge that is mostly just used as a router, should I update it to etch or would it be too slow?
19:36<rockstar>How can I take a script in /etc/init.d/ out of the boot sequence for debugging?
19:36<Nemoder>rockstar: man update-rc.d
19:36<Woet>how to deny someone to remove a specific file?
19:36<Woet>while the owner of the file may delete it?
19:37<Woet>while the owner of the file may edit it **
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19:41<Woet>nobody knows?
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19:42<clueless>Hi all
19:42<clueless>I have a nasty problem installing a debian "testing" on a ThinkPad X61s
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19:43<clueless>Installation starts fine, but after all the partitioning and downloading of the 900 packages it switches the display into "garbled" mode and only shows coloured blocks on black.
19:44<clueless>I do not know how to recover without redoing all the downloads again (it is a netinst).
19:44<dkr>unsupported video card?
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19:44<dkr>oh, a thinkpad.
19:44<Woet>its impossible to protect a file from deletion while keeping the possibility the file owner can edit it?
19:44<clueless>dkr: Theoretically it should be supported by all "recent 2.4 and 2.6 kernels". Since it is a weekly build, it should be fine.
19:44<dkr>Woet: no.
19:45<clueless>It is an Intel 965
19:45<Woet>do you have any idea how to acomplish it then?
19:45<clueless>dkr, Yes, a thinkpad.
19:45<rockstar>My shorewall setup seems broken. When I reboot the server, I have to plug in a keyboard to it and (blindly because the server is headless) restart shorewall. However, there are no symlinks in ANY /etc/rc?.d folders to the shorewall script in /etc/init.d
19:45<dkr>Woet: to edit a file you need write permission on the file. to delte a file you need write permission on the directory the file is in
19:45<Woet>well, if have user 'george' to be owner of the directory and the file
19:45<Woet>the file is chmodded 755
19:46<dkr>Woet: of course, editing a file means they can remove all content though, so pretty much as bad as deleting
19:46<Woet>but still, a user called 'fred' could delete it
19:46<Woet>well, i want the file owner to be able to edit it
19:46<Woet>and nobody to delete it
19:46<Woet>(or the file owner may delete it, no problem with me)
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19:46<dkr>then give fred write permission to the directory
19:47<clueless>Maybe if I used the graphical installer ... but do I really have to do it all over again? Is there a way to restart the installer and skip all steps already done?
19:47<clueless>Or some magic code that resets the screen?
19:47<clueless>I can enter the shell, I just cannot read any messages or what I type.
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19:48<Woet>dkr, i just chowned the whole directory to a user
19:48<Woet>then chmodded the whole directory 744
19:48<Woet>and still someone else then 'user' is able to delete it
19:49<Nemoder>clueless: is the display getting messed up by the X server or does the console not even come up?
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19:52<clueless>Nemoder, console!
19:52<clueless>The console does come up, I can install happily until after all the packages are downloaded. I think I am stuck in the console where you can chose the X- resolutions.
19:53<clueless>I think it tried to change the fonts.
19:53<clueless>Why oh why does the installer try to change the fonts in mid-install??
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19:54<xemacs>clueless, you can remove all file execpt the dl .debs and nor reformat/partition the disk and then you dont have to redownload
19:54<clueless>In my oppinion that is a "not-so-smart" thing to do, because it *can* screw up the installation if incompatible modes are chosen. It seems to be the case for Intel 965 graphics on X61S thinkpads :)
19:55<clueless>xemacs, How do I remove any files without a console? I can only reboot into the installation and it starts out from scratch. I wish I could just skip all the partition and download stuff and go right to the x-server install *without* the installer changing fonts!
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19:55<predder>I know this is kind've out of the scope of this channel - but by any chance has anyone performed an update of a HP laserjet network printer (it has jetdirect etc) from Debian?
19:56<xemacs>clueless, there is a shell in the install
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19:56<clueless>xemacs, yep, rescue mode.
19:56<predder>HP provide a binary on their website for "unix and linux" updates with no instructions, and the binary is not executable from my local machine
19:56<clueless>xemacs, However, I am not sure I can mount my stuff with it, because it is dm-crypt with LVM ...
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19:57<clueless>xemacs, does the rescue system support LVM over dm-crypt?
19:57<xemacs>I don't know
19:57<rockstar>How can I find out the current runlevel?
19:58<Nemoder>clueless: if you have the option simply don't install X or any desktop stuff until the base system is installed
19:58<clueless>and whom can I tell about this bug? I'd like to give feedback on this so maybe they can be more careful with changing video mode in console/non-graphic installations?
19:58<dkr>rockstar: runlevel
19:59<clueless>Nemoder, It is not X, it is that after downloading standard desktop/laptop files (around 900) the installer decides it is time to change the font/VESA mode of the console. That is when it crashes for me. If I don't do X, it will show me the same garble with another option.
19:59<rockstar>dkr, I tried that, and it returned "N 2", so does that translate to runlevel 2?
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19:59<xemacs>clueless, there is installer specific mail list they might be able to help more
19:59<clueless>Nemoder, Whoever thought it was a good idea to change the graphics mode in mid-install should reconsider ...
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20:00<clueless>xemacs, Well, I will post a bug report there. But it is now 2 AM here and I need to get Debian running before work tomorrow morning. Oh crap :)
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20:00<Nemoder>clueless: well this is why it's still in Testing and not stable :)
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20:01<clueless>Nemoder, stable does the same thing. I thought it was my hardware (it is a fairly new system), so I decided to give "unstable" a shot. I also like the dm-crypt support.
20:01<Nemoder>if it's important to get a system working then it's recommended to install etch and then upgrading to testing later if needed
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20:01<dkr>rockstar: I think the output is previous run level and current run runlevel will tell you exactly
20:01<Nemoder>oh weird, I don't recall etch ever changing video modes with the text installer
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20:02<gsimmons>clueless: d-i's rescue mode does support LVM over dm-crypt.
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20:02<gsimmons>!tell clueless -about rescue mode
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20:02<clueless>Nemoder, I could probably get away with redoing the installation in the (new) graphical installer. I just have to find a way to not have to redo every step already done. Mainly downloading all software again.
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20:03<clueless>gsimmons, So, can you help me "rescue" the system?
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20:03<clueless>gsimmons, I reboot into rescue mode and then?
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20:04<gsimmons>clueless: Actually, it _doesn't_ support it, but only a few manual steps are necessary to get a chroot shell.
20:04<gsimmons>clueless: See the wiki page mentioned in the factoid.
20:05<clueless>gsimmons, What is a factoid?
20:05<gsimmons>!rescue mode
20:05<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
20:05<gsimmons>clueless: One of those things. ^^^
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20:09<clueless>gsimmons, well, the unstable installer resue mode *does* support LVM over dm-crypt. I have succeeded in mounting my root device. How do I continue the installation now?
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20:10<clueless>I am stuck at the descision, if I want to execute a shell in my /root device or execute a shell in the installer environment.
20:10<clueless>How do I continue the installation from the shell in the installer environment?
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20:19<clueless>oh screw it, I am just going to reinstall from scratch.
20:19<db>quick question..
20:19<clueless>thanks for the help anyway.
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20:20<db>etch with kde vs kubuntu , what core packages are different?
20:20<db>as etchy comes with gde normally, yet I use it for servers... and gutsy sucks.
20:20<db>any1 kno?
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20:21<db>* (console only for servers that is)
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20:45<Enfilade>Hello, friends
20:46<Enfilade>After 6 months using Arch I've returned to Debian :)
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20:47<db>etch with kde vs kubuntu , what core packages are different?
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21:00<itomato>db: there are probably enough differences to require a chart
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21:40<tweakism>running testing. udev is renaming wlan0 to eth1. how do I make it stop?
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21:41<bernardo>how do I know if my graphics card has direct rendering?
21:42<tweakism>nm think I found it
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21:42<tweakism>hope it doesn't come back w/ an update
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21:46<bernardo>how do I know if my graphics card has direct rendering??
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21:48<Enfilade>bernardo: from memory: glxinfo | grep render
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21:53<bernardo>Enfilade: what do you mean by "from memory"?
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21:59<blarson>bernardo: probably "if I recall correctly"
22:01<bernardo>blarson: ooohhh.....right :)
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22:02<bernardo>if that command says that I don't have direct rendering, could it be because I have a missing driver or something?
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22:06<Enfilade>bernardo: what gfx card do you have?
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22:10<bernardo>Enfilade: intel 855GM
22:11<Enfilade>i'm not familiar with those. perhaps the debian wiki could have some info on how to set them up properly
22:13<bernardo>Enfilade: ok...i will take a look, thanks
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22:16<IRCFrEAK>hi all, i'm in trouble with bind9 can anyone help me please...
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22:17<IRCFrEAK>bind9 was running right ... until i've installed resolvconf
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22:18<IRCFrEAK>now bind9 do not respond anymore
22:19<IRCFrEAK>is the problem due to resolvconf ???
22:19<IRCFrEAK>is there anyone online ?
22:21<dpkg>Test Failed.
22:21<Supaplex>no, we all got kicked off after you upgraded.
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22:21<Supaplex>IRCFrEAK: new, in sid? lenny? etch? sarge? upstream? did you check bts?
22:22<IRCFrEAK>oh ... sorry ... etch STABLE
22:23<Supaplex>and new since when. did etch work ok previously? What's changed?
22:23<IRCFrEAK>bind9 was running right ... until i've installed squid + resolvconf
22:23<IRCFrEAK>resolvconf was required by squid
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22:25<IRCFrEAK>can i run an apt-get remove resolvconf without making 'damages' ;-)
22:26<Supaplex>Suggests: squidclient, squid-cgi, logcheck-database, resolvconf (>= 0.40), smbclient
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22:28<IRCFrEAK>mmm... ok ... but first of removing it. do you know if there is a way to disable it ?
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22:30<Supaplex>maybe update-rc.d, but I haven't toyed with the resolvconf critter.
22:30<IRCFrEAK>supalex: REMOVED ... and bind9 works again !!!!
22:30<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: THANK YOU A MILLION for helpin' me !!!!
22:31<Supaplex>a million is overpay. $79 will do. ;)
22:31<Supaplex>hehe jk :D
22:31<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
22:32<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: no! not $79 ... A MILLION !!!!! ;-)
22:33<Supaplex>heh heh
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22:34<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: i have to go bed ... hope to see you soon !!! (i'm obliged with ya !)
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23:01<neosix>hello! I'm trying ti run Dev-c++ on Lenny, and I need Where is that library?
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23:02<RIVE>Hello, good night.
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23:05<neosix>CAn anybody tell me which packages I need to download
23:06<Acid`X>err, mt.
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23:07<neosix>libqt3-mt, that I founded in Synaptic
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23:08<chealer>neosix: Debian doesn't distribute that. you'd need to look for unofficial packages.
23:09<neosix>chealer: OK thanks
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23:50<kicek>halo jest tam kto?
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23:55<LinuxMan23>I just installed a program from the unstable branch, i decided to change branches back to stable, but i need to downgrade the program I installed and its other required files it installed automatically. whats the best way to do this?
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23:57<Supaplex>!tell LinuxMan23 -about downgrade
23:57<Supaplex>I'd keep backups. Start now if you haven't. :)
23:57<LinuxMan23>that sucks
23:57<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
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23:58<LinuxMan23>is there anything that dpkg cant do?
23:58<LinuxMan23>dpkg -i everything
23:58<dpkg>package everything is already installed
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23:59<Supaplex>try dpkg -r :P
23:59<kicek>Jest ktos z polski?
23:59<dpkg>it has been said that pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
23:59<LinuxMan23>dpkg -r me
23:59*dpkg removes linuxman23 along with a pound of flesh from linuxman23's body, then staples linuxman23 back up with a staple gun.
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