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00:03<ravl>hello. how can I see the device address of my usb webcam, if it doesn't show on 'lsusb' ?
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00:50<RIVE>Hello Requiem.
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01:20<KRS>hi, i have a problem with my debian. i can not use the sound-card. The errormessage is: you have no gstream plugin installed or you do not have configre your sound card. i think it is the second. how can i configre my soundcard?
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01:33<mzhang>just wondering, any way to specify cpu # when you run a program under linux/debian?
01:33<mzhang>like if I would like to run my calculation on core #2, #3 of my quad.
01:35<dondelelcaro>mzhang: the kernel deals with that sort of thing; in general, it does a far better job of scheduling than you ever will.
01:36<mzhang>dondelelcaro, I just observed core #2, #3 have better heat dissipation (by looking at the temperature readout)...
01:40<dondelelcaro>mzhang: that sounds like you need to fix your cooling if it's actually significant.
01:41<mzhang>well I'd rather do a software patch than dismantle everything ...
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01:43<dondelelcaro>mzhang: schedtool is what you're looking for, then.
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01:49<mzhang>dondelelcaro, thanks.
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01:59<isai>erm, should I use CPAN or apt-get to install curses for perl?
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02:05<KRS>how can i configre my soundcard?
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02:11<streuner_>How did you install Debian?
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03:03<vook>I have an issue in grub in a new installation. When I boot, I arrive at the grub command line, despite having the file "menu.lst" in /boot/grub. typing 'configfile /grub/menu.lst/' brings up the menu. ??
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03:24<zepard>hi people
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03:28<gambix>hi to all
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03:29<gambix>i'm looking for a kde4 daily snapshot repository for sid... if someone have an url or something to help me
03:29<devil>vook: in grub 'c' leads to a grub shell
03:30<devil>gambix: not sid, experimental
03:30<gambix>so with the xperimental , i will have it ?
03:31<devil>gambix: if you want it, use experimental repo, good idea is to use a separate user
03:31<devil>gambix: whats your base install?
03:31<gambix>it's a sid
03:31<gambix>with kde3
03:32<gambix>on a laptop
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03:32<gambix>deb experimental main non-free contrib
03:32<devil>gambix: yes
03:32<gambix>i'v already it
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03:33<gambix>devil does kde4 work along kde3...
03:33<gambix>or does i need to remove the kde3 workspace
03:33<devil>gambix: its supposed to, i havnt tried that because i need my productive maschines working
03:33<gambix>on ubuntu i was able to use the both
03:34<devil>gambix: within the last days sid got some lis and stuff for compat mode
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03:34<dpkg>methinks madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
03:34<devil>gambix: should be no prob
03:34<gambix>so i will try
03:34<gambix>want to begin the port of gambas libs to qt4 kde4
03:35<gambix>and i prefer to be in the all env
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03:36<devil>gambix: well, have fun
03:37<gambix>devil: thank you :)
03:37<devil>gambix: mind you, kde 4.0 is no way near complete
03:37<gambix>i know that
03:38<gambix>but it's not unusable now
03:38<devil>its usable, yes, havnt't looked into the -dev stuff yet
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03:39<gambix>neither me
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03:56<vook>at boot, grub is going to the grub command line rather than the menu - /boot/grub/menu.lst exists and is sane. update-grub has been run successfully, still it boots to the grub command line. Any ideas?
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03:58<devil>vook: hit esc, then 'e' and enter
03:58<devil>vook: lets you edit menu.lst
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03:59<devil>vook: then there is 'a' for further editing in a grub shell (no esc needed there)
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03:59<devil>vook: sry, 'c', not 'a'
04:00<vook>devil: I can boot. the problem is that I don't get a menu.
04:00<vook>I have to type 'configfile /grub/menu.lst'
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04:02<devil>vook: well, then you can edit you menu.lst from within
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04:04<vook>devil: No - the problem is that grub boots the grub prompt - it doesn't read menu.lst by default. that's the issue. I can edit the file and I'm familiar with grub. I just don't understand why it isn't reading menu.lst at boot.
04:04<devil>vook: did you rewrite grub?
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04:05<devil>vook: hm, thats strange, i never witnessed that behaviour
04:05<devil>vook: any errors anywhare in logs?
04:05<vook>yeah - it's wierd. at every boot, I type 'configfile /grub/menu.lst
04:06<devil>vook: menu.lst is under /boot/grub?
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04:06<devil>vook: do you use a boot partition?
04:07<devil>vook: hm might be something amiss there
04:07<devil>i never use one nowadays, not needed
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04:08<vook>I'm building this pc for my sister - so it's dual boot. MS owns hda1. But I'd like grub to be the boot loader - introducing her to Linux.
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04:09<vook>I've never seen this before either.
04:10<vook>I'm thinking that maybe the pc (a thinkpad) has some kind of hidden partition or something.
04:11<vook>(or is preventing total access to the mbr)
04:13<devil>vook: no need for boot partition
04:14<devil>vook: i done dual boots on tp's, no probs
04:15<vook>i've used boot partitions for years. Besides, I use jfs, boot doesn't like jfs.
04:15<devil>vook: just install grub to MBR, simple and works
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04:15<devil>jfs is a prob, yeah
04:15<devil>why not give yer sis a ext3
04:16<devil>i really have no idea what could prevent grub from seeing menu.lst, if it is in the right place
04:17<vook>jfs is faster
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04:17<devil>my system is so fast, if it was faster i'd need to tie down the machine ;)
04:18<devil>so i rather stick to ext3 myself
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04:21<gpm>hi, i'm used to running shutdown -h now, if i wanted to shut down the system in an hour, how would i do that? do i enter the time like 02:20:00 (approximately one hour from now (PST))?
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04:22<poppen>Anyone have an HowTo tutorial on installing "good" fonts? The original fonts are really bad :/
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04:24<devil>gpm: man shutdown is your friend, look at time
04:24<devil>poppen: you could give msttcorefonts a try
04:25<devil>poppen: you can apt them, i think they are in contrib now
04:25<poppen>ah ok thankyou
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04:27<agentbleubleu>Im having trouble setting up a ssl self cert on debian4, seems 'apache2-ssl-certificate', is not working. Anyone got any ideas?
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04:30<agentbleubleu>im willing to pay someone for help
04:31<poppen>Is there any way to get hold of tahoma fonts without windows?
04:31<GhostlyDeath>poppen: legally?
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04:31<agentbleubleu>lol, with paypal
04:32<poppen>well legally at first if its possible
04:32<GhostlyDeath>poppen: Got Windows/
04:32<poppen>i dont know if its illegal to talk about "the illegal" way here?
04:32<poppen>the thing is i dont have windows installed...
04:32<GhostlyDeath>poppen: Tahoma is in... Win2k+
04:32<GhostlyDeath>poppen: You got CDs?
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04:32<poppen>are they on the cd unpacked?
04:32<GhostlyDeath>poppen: if it's NT, look for i386/tahoma.tt_
04:33<GhostlyDeath>or something
04:33<poppen>ok ill do that, thanks alot
04:33<GhostlyDeath>poppen: the files are all CABs btw
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04:35<poppen>hm is debian supposed to hang during browsing the windows disc? :P
04:36<GhostlyDeath>poppen: it could either be a true type font or an open type font, don't know if open type fonts are supported in Linux at all
04:36<poppen>hm ok
04:36<poppen>you dont know any other way than the disc?
04:36<poppen>getting the tahoma font
04:38<GhostlyDeath>other ways could be considered illegal
04:38<GhostlyDeath>the font is Copyright MS
04:39<poppen>GhostlyDeath do you suggest any other font in the msttcorefont package?
04:39<poppen>instead of getting tahoma
04:39<GhostlyDeath>"© 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."
04:39<devil>if he has a M$ licence, it should not matter where he got the font
04:40<GhostlyDeath>devil: there might be a "It has to come from the one disc only" kinda thing =P
04:40<poppen>well i have it, but it seems i cant access the i386 folder without freezing
04:40<devil>GhostlyDeath: well, with that company you might be right
04:40<GhostlyDeath>use classic command line!
04:40<GhostlyDeath>just dont ask me how to copy files because I don't know how
04:41<poppen>is the full path as you said? i386/tahoma.tt_
04:41<GhostlyDeath>maybe dd if=somefile of=anotherfile
04:41<GhostlyDeath>poppen: cd to the CD mount point
04:41<GhostlyDeath>poppen: do some dir, cd i386 or something and dir and see if you see all files with .??_ endings
04:41<poppen>ok ty
04:42<GhostlyDeath>I never said command line, I said Terminal =P
04:42<poppen>i got that
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04:44<poppen>the regular cp command doesnt work?
04:44<fxiny>tahoma ? just cp ìem like you do with wine : fake_windows/Windows/Fonts >> tahomabd.ttf tahoma.ttf
04:45<GhostlyDeath>fxiny: and if he doesn't have windows installed?
04:45<poppen>i dont have it installed
04:46<poppen>im in the i386 folder now and i see the tahoma font
04:46<poppen>how do i "extract" it to the "computer"
04:46<GhostlyDeath>normal should be named "tahoma.tt_" and bold is "tahomabd.tt_"
04:46<Nemoder>apt-get install cabextract ?
04:46<fxiny>GhostlyDeath: try to remember how i've done it
04:46<poppen>i see tahoma.tt_
04:46<fxiny>long tome
04:46<poppen>but how do i copy it to my computer
04:47<fxiny>yahhh cabextract i think
04:47<poppen>hm ok
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04:47<GhostlyDeath>cabextract -d ~ tahoma.tt_
04:47<GhostlyDeath>should extract the cab to your home dir
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04:48<poppen>ok ill try that. ty
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04:50<poppen>ghostlydeath i got an error
04:50<GhostlyDeath>poppen: saying/
04:50<poppen>./root/tahoma.ttf: Input/output error
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04:50<GhostlyDeath>poppen: your extracting it as root?
04:51<GhostlyDeath>try "cabextract -d /root/ tahoma.tt_"
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04:52<poppen>same error
04:52<fxiny>poppen: linbks for tahoma at :
04:53<fxiny>but i belive there is a better link somewhere
04:53<_hufi_>poppen do you like sex?^^
04:54<fxiny>i vaguely rememer of some windoze archive fonts around . prolly illegal
04:54<poppen>hm k
04:54<GhostlyDeath>poppen: "file-roller tahoma.tt_" and just drag n drop somewhere =P
04:54<GhostlyDeath>or hit extract
04:54<GhostlyDeath>Archive manager in GNOME
04:54<GhostlyDeath>It rolls files
04:55<poppen>i use KDE
04:55<GhostlyDeath>use whatever KDE uses
04:55<poppen>but as i said, when i browse the i386 folder via KDE it freezes
04:55<GhostlyDeath>KDE can use GTK apps though
04:56<fxiny>poppen: it works : cabextract IELPKTH.CAB > tahoma.ttf tahomabd.ttf
04:56<GhostlyDeath>tahoma.tt_ has tahoma.ttf
04:56<fxiny>but now , after all this winblow i need to breath :P
04:57<GhostlyDeath>tahomabd.tt_ has tahomabd.tff (Bold Tahoma)
04:57<poppen>but there is a regular one too
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04:57<poppen>ill try fxinys way
04:57<poppen>thank you for your helt ghostly
04:58<agentbleubleu>im willing to pay someone for some help, im a linux nob, and am getting stuck setting up a ssl self certificate? any helpers willing?
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04:59<seanius>agentbleubleu: there's a number how-tos via google
05:00<GhostlyDeath>poppen: yep
05:01<agentbleubleu>yes im looking, but things dont work out, i keep getting stuck, this is the best one I have found so far. but im a little confused about hallf way in, specifically 'SSLEngine on' this does nothing,
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05:01<agentbleubleu>-bash: SSLEngine: command not found
05:02<poppen>fxiny, it worked, thankyou
05:03<donny__>agentbleubleu: SSLEngine is not a command, it's an apache configuration directive (i think.. it might also be a module or something)
05:03<fxiny>poppen: and it seems legal , things are changing but i still care a split zero for *egal :))
05:03<donny__>agentbleubleu: anyhow you need to lok around the configuration directory for your apache installation
05:04<poppen>hehe :D
05:04<donny__>agentbleubleu: different distributions package it differently. there's probably a section in a configuration file in there that says more or less "comment this area out to enable ssl"
05:04<agentbleubleu>i think have found that
05:04<donny__>agentbleubleu: you will also have to install an ssl certificate
05:04<agentbleubleu>i done that
05:04<agentbleubleu>this is where mine is
05:05<agentbleubleu>I think
05:05<agentbleubleu>nothing in there apart from one other file
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05:08<agentbleubleu>I see nothing in apache2.conf for ssl whatsoever
05:10<donny__>agentbleubleu: it doesn't always, it depends on your distro
05:10<donny__>agentbleubleu: at any rate, you *can* add it yourself
05:10<donny__>agentbleubleu: but i'm off to bed. good luck
05:10<agentbleubleu>cheers guys
05:10<GhostlyDeath>anyone here know how to use pilrc?
05:13<agentbleubleu>i think this is one of my main problems, '/etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem' is missing, in ssl its empty
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05:14<GhostlyDeath>meh, mixed up the extension
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05:15<abiectum>hi... how to make Iceweasel as default web browser ?
05:16<fxiny>agentbleubleu: man update-alternatives : update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
05:16<fxiny>abiectum: ^^^
05:18<agentbleubleu>I am only 2 days into linux, can you give me more info on how to:
05:18<abiectum>I'm newbie with that...... is this command ?? with I seppoused to put ??? in terminal ?
05:18<abiectum>to be serius...
05:19<fxiny>agentbleubleu : try to follow step by step debian-administration howto
05:19<abiectum>Ice always asking me ... "should I be defalut browser" and even if it's yes then after off and on
05:19<fxiny>abiectum: is debian specific
05:19<abiectum>again same question
05:20<fxiny>abiectum: read man and type update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
05:20<abiectum>I'm rally 3 days with debian... and non english person ... something more easy pls
05:21<agentbleubleu>good iadvice
05:21<_hufi_>des some of you use JuK?
05:22<abiectum>aaaaa works... thank U
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05:28<_hufi_>i cant use apt-get.... it means an other prozess use it but there is no one
05:28<fxiny>agentbleubleu: if you are willing to pay someone in the future check
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05:35<devil>hachi_: search for dpkg precess
05:36<devil>_hufi_: ^^
05:36<azeem>_hufi_: maybe you got synaptic or adept or aptitude running
05:37<_hufi_>i have send adept a kill while it is running devil
05:38<fxiny>it's just my icewesel or gmail ? 40 seconds to load it seems too much
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05:46<BilfordNT>how do i install base kde with the 160mb cd
05:47<BilfordNT>i only want base kde without gnome
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05:50<_hufi_>how i can cahnge to the next/prevouse site in top?
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05:51<devil>_hufi_: htop is a bit more intuitive
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05:54<walrus>guys, who do you consider to do the best job on host monitoring?? nagios or zabbix ?? sorry for my english, thx =)
05:55<hachi_>what's this channel?
05:56<devil>hachi_: whats its name?
05:56<walrus>who's better ?? zabbix or nagios ??
05:56<hachi_>you said my name earlier, but I hadn't asked a question for many weeks
05:56<hachi_>so I think you were adressing the wrong person
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05:57<devil>hachi_: that was my mistake, because _hufi_ has this stupid underscore in front of his nick
05:57<hachi>okay, sorry about that
05:57<devil>hachi: i have to be sorry
05:58<hachi>well then in that case don't worry about it at all :)
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06:02<leikh>I've just done a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch. Now I can't map my password-protected samba-shares from Win XP. Is this a common problem?
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06:06<morii_>is there a chance to get a 'SiS961/2 SMBus Controller' working with a kernel 2.6.* ? The Readme of lm-sensor say no imho
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06:29<keyz>i got a problem while connecting to wpa: i'm associated to the AP 10 seconds, then i'm unassociated 2 secs and reassociated to the AP. The results is that i can't get an ip by dhcp. Does anyone already seen such problem?
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06:29<sivang>hi all
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06:30<sivang>Has anyone tried to run debian on a dbau1550 based board, with the SM720/721/722 frame buffer device?
06:30<Tuplad>hey, I'm really having problems with extracting archives. I download like 100mb zips and try to unzip them and only 1 file extracts or nothing at all except an empty folder. I'm running debian lenny, any suggestions ?
06:31<Tuplad>if I unrar through console it just says "failed"
06:31<keyz>the zip may not be correct ;)
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06:32<Tuplad>keyz: there's also a password to the archive and it doesnt ask it
06:33<Tuplad>keyz: plus, yesterday I had the same happening. I downloaded an album and all that extracted was 1 file from the whole archive
06:33<keyz>Tuplad, man unzip -> search password
06:33<leikh>I've set my samba-shares wide open, but still my win-client is asked for a password. What is going on?
06:34<Tuplad>kreyz: -p I know, but it still won't work :|
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06:35<keyz>Tuplad, you may try with file-roller ... but in command line i have no problem with archive on lenny
06:35<Tuplad>keyz: tried thru file roller, same effect, btw, when I do ls in that dir, a zip archive is colored red but the one I'm trying to extract is just black on white
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06:37<keyz><troll> so put a windows in a virtualbox to unzip </troll>
06:37<keyz>sorry mate ;)
06:37<Tuplad>haha :D
06:37<Tuplad>oh well, probably a corrupt archive
06:37<Tuplad>the zip extracted just fine
06:38<Maulkin><southern american accent>Yer know wha we do with trolls round these parts sonny?</accent>
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06:38<keyz>Maulkin, no idea, i'm not use to troll here
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06:40<leleobhz>someone can tellme if have some php script to read all packages from a directory and create a page with this list?
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06:41<keyz>leleobhz, opendir on php.nety
06:43<leleobhz>keyz: reading from Packages.gz?
06:43<leleobhz>(ive forgot this)
06:43<keyz>you said from dir ^^
06:43<leleobhz>keyz: its because for each dist i have a dir
06:43<keyz>php must be able to gunzip ... just search it ;)
06:44<leleobhz>things from my mind :p
06:44<fxiny>Maulkin: its sounds like the accent from "The assassination of Jesse James" (by the coward Robert Ford) :P
06:45<keyz>ouch, so it may be dangerous to troll here :D
06:45<fxiny>Tuplad: an empty folder ? i believe is a password issue
06:46<Maulkin>fxiny: AWful movie.
06:46<Maulkin>Well, no, Just bad.
06:46<Tuplad>fxiny: this is the second time it's happening, but if I fill in the password manually or do it through fileroller it doesnt work
06:46<Tuplad>file roller doesnt even ask for a password :|
06:47<keyz>does the archive came from a kind of P2P?
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06:49<fxiny>Maulkin: indeed .
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06:51<Tuplad>keyz: nope, from a forum I visit, real rap talk
06:51<fxiny>Tuplad: is it a zip or a rar ? cracking zip password in linux is a nice game and it works . i hate rar .
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06:52<Tuplad>fxiny: it was a rar
06:52<Tuplad>fxiny: Dirty - Tha First Supper.rar - 151mb
06:53<keyz>try to ask some md5sum from other people to check archive integrity
06:53<fxiny>Tuplad: could be a fake . ask google
06:54<fxiny>there is a site for such fakes
06:54<fxiny>and rar sucks anyway anytime anywhere :P
06:55<fxiny>unless is a splitted torrent . big rar are most of the time crap
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06:56<Tuplad>fxiny: hehehe, beh, it's a lame forum where they share rap music, so I won't bother checking md5sum, I deleted it already
06:57<keyz>best way to solve :D
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06:58<fxiny>Tuplad: sometimes the pass is the tracker name
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06:59<Tuplad>fxiny: it wasn't a torrent
06:59<keyz>does anyone tried to use the new fglrx from unstable on testing ?
06:59<Tuplad>fxiny: they up it to megaupload/rapidshare/zshare
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07:00<fxiny>Tuplad: i don't trust those files
07:00<Tuplad>fxiny: I do, obviously :p but I usually don't download anything like that
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07:09<fxiny>Tuplad: i'm on it . too much FLASH ! :))
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07:09<Tuplad>fxiny: :D flash ?
07:10<fxiny>Tuplad: yes , is a flash site , still checking it
07:10<Tuplad>fxiny: ooh, real rap talk ?
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07:12<fxiny>Tuplad: dunno rap . i was listening to Iggy , do you know Iggy ? i'm on maheler now : Mahler. - Symphony No.9 (Horenstein.LSO) :))
07:13<Tuplad>fxiny: I have no idea what site you are talking about then hehe :D Iggy ? nope, neither do I know maheler... I'm a rap boy, also psytrance, metal, pop, Russian music and some sorts of r&b and electro
07:15<Maulkin>Tetrinet anyone?
07:15<fxiny>Tuplad: the site is the google answer for your rar file . i'm checking it .
07:15<fxiny>tetrinet ?
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07:16<dpkg>tetrinet is, like, multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now.
07:16<Tuplad>fxiny: aaaaaaah, OK!!
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07:20<fxiny>Tuplad: get into classical music if you want real trance . i have a truckload of oakenfold tiestos and friends but nothing compares to say Mozart Mahler Sibelius : thet were real coders . oakenfellows are basically sampling sausages as ASF Nick Fiend sing :)
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07:22<Tuplad>fxiny: no no, not tiestos, I don't like that trance. I'm all for Psytrance aka Goa aka psychedelic trance :)
07:22<keyz>Tuplad, get into ska music if you want real trance. nothing better than sublime, slightly stoopids, toots and all their friends ;)
07:22<Tuplad>fxiny: Yahel, Astrix, Vibe Tribe, Infected Mushrooms, 1200 Mics, etc.
07:22<fxiny>Tuplad: goa yes i have everything Infected Mushrooms included
07:22<Tuplad>fxiny: :D
07:22<fxiny>Tuplad: they are sampling stuff all around
07:23<fxiny>just that
07:23<Tuplad>fxiny: yeah, I didn't like their last album at all, their older work is much better, but Yahel is my man
07:23<Tuplad>fxiny: Vibe Tribe and Yahel ;;)
07:23<fxiny>Maulkin: oh that's nice . i'll install asap
07:23<Maulkin>Chop. Chop
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07:26<fxiny>Tuplad: nahhh : you want classical music to uderstand goa . goa can train you on long tracks=classical , pop music can't give you any reasonable direction into the Sound
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07:28<Maulkin>fxiny: for server
07:28<Tuplad>fxiny: true
07:28<Tuplad>fxiny: got soulseek ? :D
07:30<fxiny>Maulkin: oh yes ! i'm fighting with the (many) things i'm doing :)
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07:33<fxiny>Maulkin: is a gnome thing , this is a fluxbox .i need to fire and update my gnome box up , takes time but i'll join
07:33<sheldonh>i wish steinberg sequel ran under virtualbox
07:33<fxiny>what's that ?
07:34<sheldonh>fxiny: steinberg sequel? baby version of cubase
07:34<fxiny>ahh lenny virtualbox ?
07:34<sheldonh>fxiny: sid
07:35<sheldonh>fxiny: i figured from the start that it was unlikely, but it's still disappointing :)
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07:37<sheldonh>the other alternative is to find a secure irc client for windows. hahahaha!
07:37<fxiny>don't say mirc ! hahahahaah
07:38<sheldonh>but saturday afternoons, at least while the kid's asleep, are for making music and talking shit
07:38<sheldonh>i'll have to pull out a stopwatch, but i get the feeling virtualbox is a _lot_ slower than vmware workstation
07:38<fxiny>i never tried virtualbox
07:39*fxiny updates his gnome box
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07:41<fxiny>79 packages ? hahahah
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07:42<keyz>enlightenment box is the best ;)
07:43<fxiny>nahhh enlightenment is fine , yes . but flux rulez :P
07:43<sheldonh>fxiny: what comprises 79 packages?
07:43<sheldonh>silly girls. vtwm should be all you need
07:44<fxiny>sheldonh: my gnome box . i'm always on this PII fluxbox powered :)
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07:45<sheldonh>fxiny: you have a debian box with just 79 packages on it? we're not worthy!
07:45<fxiny>sheldonh: no : i'm updating it . i nedd it for tetrinet
07:46<sheldonh>ah, _that's how i got to mako's homepage :)
07:46<fxiny>gtetrinet pulls 15 gnomics debs
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07:47<fxiny>i'll check later if i can run it on a vserver
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07:53<Maulkin>fxiny: there's a console version too
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07:54<fxiny>Maulkin: yes ? i am on gnome now : joining
07:55<fxiny>Maulkin: where's the console ?
07:55<fxiny>bloody hell ! stared already !
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07:56<fxiny>need to stop it
07:57<fxiny>seen it > tetrinet-client but gtetrinet looks better
08:00<sheldonh>If you don't know why your RC bug isn't getting fixed, you just logged into the reason!
08:01<fxiny>Tuplad: still around ?
08:01<Maulkin>Come again!
08:01<fxiny>yahhh i'll come back asap
08:01<Tuplad>fxiny: yes ;)
08:02<sheldonh>you guys clearly haven't discovered the right audio production tools :)
08:02<fxiny>Tuplad: good news : your rar has no password
08:02<Tuplad>fxiny: o_O
08:02<fxiny>Tuplad: 19 mp3
08:03<Tuplad>fxiny: exactly
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08:03<Tuplad>fxiny: + desktop.ini and
08:03<fxiny>Tuplad: yes , so where's the problem ? i see none
08:03<Tuplad>fxiny: doesn't extract
08:04<fxiny>Tuplad: 68f117482899aaf2fe38be8bd9e21044
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08:04<Tuplad>fxiny: one sec
08:05<fxiny>Tuplad: rar x "Dirty - Tha First Supper.rar"
08:05<fxiny>yes , you can extract it
08:06<fxiny>don't ask me toi test such "music" , i cannot :P
08:06<avtobiff>how do i get a N < sign in latex? seems to be some weird stuff with the font encoding..
08:06<Tuplad>fxiny: I'm afraid I can't
08:06<fxiny>Tuplad: rar x not unrar x . could be a rar version issue
08:07<Tuplad>fxiny: rar x command not found
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08:08<fxiny>Tuplad: don't delete yor rar , is ok . keep on trying . i delete mine rigt now
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08:09<fxiny>i need to join
08:13<Maulkin>fxiny: play!
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08:14<agentbleubleu>i have a new install of debian but it is missing "apache2-ssl-certificate" command, as per this bug : I have found a way to get about half way through the setup process manually but i keep getting stuck, Im willing to pay for help. any takers?
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08:16<sheldonh>agentbleubleu: google is free: apache2-ssl-certificate etch
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08:19<fxiny>Maulkin: can't move anything
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08:20<fxiny>Maulkin: i'll be back in 20
08:21<fxiny>cat duty
08:21<fxiny>i'll crash you both !
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08:30<abrotman>sheldonh: isn't that gone in etch ?
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08:30<sheldonh>abrotman: yes, hence the suggested google
08:31<abrotman>oh .. use make-ssl-cert
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08:41<fxiny>Maulkin: no one ? i am the dictator :P
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08:44<_hufi_>can somenone explain me what the LVM is?
08:45<dpkg>methinks lvm is at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo
08:46<lupine_85>and that's very sexy
08:46<_hufi_>i dont understand it
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08:47<hathe>_hufi_: then don't use it...
08:47<_hufi_>i wonna know what it is but noone explain it
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08:47<_hufi_>i am done
08:47<_hufi_>its like a nightmare...
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08:51<hathe>_hufi_: either you have the willingness to learn basics by yourself or not, nobody can tell you more then you can find in!lvm or wikipedia or google...
08:52<_hufi_>i hate such guys like you
08:53<devil>i hate guys with an underscore in front of their nicks
08:53<_hufi_>unkind and if someone dosent know somethink he get no support but everyone shikane him
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08:55<Tuplad>haha ^
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09:16<hever>Hello, I saw that /proc is 2.1 GB on my system. Where are these 2.1 GB stored? And what is proc ?
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09:16<hever>I know it contains system informations. But 2.1GB ?!
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09:19<ao2>hever, it's a psudo-fs so the storage you read is not "real" storage space
09:19<hever>ao2: its in the ram ?
09:19<hever>or created on the fly ?! ;)
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09:20<ao2>hever, what's the difference? I't created in ram and the infos are updated "on the fly"
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09:22<hever>I thought about something like, the data will be created if you need them in the RAM. and only then, they are still not there and must be created before read...
09:22<hever>ok thanks.
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09:23<ao2>hever, you're welcome :)
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09:33<krlos>hi people... my netselect-apt say me that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute.
09:33<krlos>i am behind a dsl router.. tehre are a way to solve it
09:33<tweakism>sigh. I doubt anyone here can help me. running testing. wireless everything works fine from command line. network-manager and network-manager-kde from testing didn't show WPA as an option. downgraded to stable. worked. fixed something else, upgraded to testing. broken. downgraded to stable. same behavior now :/
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09:55<bcochofel>Hi, where can I find netinst iso of lenny?
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10:00<muhkuh>hi . i'm using Debian4.0ETCH with alsamixer and suddenly there was o sound how can i restart the mixer in console?
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10:05<fxiny>muhkuh: justb type alsamixer
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10:10<muhkuh>theres no option for restarting it
10:11<muhkuh>still no sound the last time this happene i installed it again and it was ok this time it doesn't work
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10:12<muhkuh>i looked if thers another prosess blocking it but i dont think so
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10:14<fxiny>muhkuh: kde or gnome ?
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10:15<fxiny>did you run alsaconf ? is your card detected ? is alsamixer working ? are levels saved after you quit alsamixer ? tell us something more :P
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10:17<fxiny>muhkuh: if nothing happen when you type alsamixer rerun alsaconf
10:17<muhkuh>it was working the hole day long without doing anything now i was eating came back and there was no sound di did not run anything the onlything i did was installing it new afer ther was no sound i just installed debian yesterday and the sound was working
10:18<muhkuh>have gnome
10:18<zepard>when the 2.6.24 is comming in sid?
10:18<fxiny>so now what happen when you run alsamixer ?
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10:19<muhkuh>no doesnt change with alsamixer return alsaconf
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10:19<fxiny>does alsamixer work ?
10:19<muhkuh>when i run it it shows me everythings fine
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10:20<muhkuh>but theres still no sound
10:20<muhkuh>even my speakers are on : )
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10:21<fxiny>you sure is not a hardware (plug) problem ?
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10:21<muhkuh>i remember on suse was something to stop restart it
10:22<muhkuh>don't think so
10:22<muhkuh>but i is really strange
10:22<Tarcas>/etc/init.d/[something] restart?
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10:22<fxiny>muhkuh: forget suse : alsaconf . right ? alsamixer . lost your settings ? alsactl store
10:23<fxiny>check your hardware
10:23<muhkuh>yeha guess that could it be i'll try
10:23<fxiny>must be some cat like mine running wild
10:24<fxiny>mine ? i'm not so sure is mine :P
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10:25<muhkuh>and if i just reboot? or restart the X?
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10:26<fxiny>nahh . x got nothing to do with sound
10:26<muhkuh>and a reboot?
10:26<muhkuh>gotta get it =)
10:27<fxiny>think , think hard :)
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10:27<muhkuh>ooooh my head is steaming
10:27<muhkuh>trying another mixer?
10:28<muhkuh>or doe that result in even more trouble?
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10:29<fxiny>run fuser -v /dev/snd/* and/or fuser -v /dev/dsp
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10:33<fxiny>muhkuh: you can try : dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base or better : dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
10:33<tweakism>networkmanager is driving me crazy. iwlist says my network is wpa2, nm-info says my card support wpa2, my card/driver (prism 2.5 / hostap) are fully supported for wpa2 w/ network-manager. yet any combo of stable/testing/unstable for network-manager and wpasupplicant insist my wpa2 network is wep. except it was working w/ stable network-manager this morning and I had to mess with it *cry*
10:34<muhkuh>now alsaconf did it =) thanks a lot
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10:34<tweakism>I think I'm going to kill it.
10:34<muhkuh>got soundy ^^
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10:35<fxiny>muhkuh: check if levels are saved , quit/restart alsamixer . if not alsactl store
10:36<fxiny>muhkuh: what card is that ?
10:39<fxiny>muhkuh: i have to go checking what the cat's doing . it just load a module right ? it could not be loaded at next reboot . you can add it to /etc/modules , do not PANIC :)))
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10:40<krlos>some one has a wlan with bcm43xx
10:41<tweakism>I swear I'm going to kill it
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10:47<c>hi, I'm haveing a problem with SFPT login to my server from Cyberduck. I can ssh and sftp the server fine through the OSx terminal but cyberduck will not, is there a different setup that i need to alter in order to be able to sftp the server from cyberduck?
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10:50<Tarcas>c: what on earth is cyberduck?
10:50<drixter>hi, i have problem with the debian installation. I have a Adaptec 29320LPE scsi card. When the Int13 is enabled in SCSI bios to be able to boot from scsi then debian install-kernel just hangs. I see only debian logo, then click enter(default) and it's hangs. When I disable Int13 in SCSI BIOS then everything goes ok - but I'm unable to boot fro SCSI. Someone know how to fix it?
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10:50<wamty>how can i show my system information: CPU, RAM, etc. on my shell? (Debian)
10:50<c>an ftp etc client for os x:
10:51<c>a fairly standard client
10:51<Tarcas>wamty: type /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo etc
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10:52<dpkg>i guess proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data.
10:52<Tarcas>that was glaringly unhelpful
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11:09<devil>Tarcas: there is a script called infobash
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11:09<devil>Tarcas: unfortunately the only server hosting it is down atm
11:10<devil>Tarcas: the only way to get it is to add a repo to your sources and install it
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11:10<devil>Tarcas: we use it in our channel to get sysinfo for support
11:11<devil>Tarcas: not this channel that is
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11:16<angah> to delete this rule in iptables? >> Chain udp_inbound (0 references)
11:16<angah>target prot opt source destination? need help..
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11:18<mc>iptables -X udp_inbound?
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11:21<mikes>hello, has anyone tried realtime patch for buliding a custom kernel??
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11:28<SpeedyG>hey, got a question about pop-con, what are the pros and cons on participation ?
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11:33<fxiny>SpeedyG: the only "con" i am aware of is : the first three places are already taken by : screen mutt and irssi :P
11:34<SpeedyG>fxiny: thats no con :D they're all great :D
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11:38<fxiny>SpeedyG : we can check if ppl are sleeping like this : imho pop-con could be the right way to get rid of unused apps like all those nanoland useless editors pico vim and friends :))
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11:39<fxiny>SpeedyG: ;)
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11:42<SpeedyG>fxiny: gheh :) well, I always choose to not install pop-con... dunno why tho :)
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11:43<fxiny>why not ? if you feel go for it
11:44<tweakism>haha, awesome: * On battery power, so skipping file system check.
11:45<graytron>and next: FILE SYSTEM CORRUPTION
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11:46<tweakism>wtf. c'mon network-manager this is ridiculous. network-manager/stable worked this morning. upgraded to testing, it thought my WPA2 net was WEP. I just purged network-manager, network-manager-kde, and all their dependencies, and reinstalled the stable versions exactly like they were this morning. still broken.
11:46<fxiny>you can tune fsck
11:47<fxiny>skipping is bad
11:47<tweakism>not really, it's just skipping fsck of a clean ext3 mounted more than the # of times in tune2fs
11:47<tweakism>no real point in fsck'ing it anyway
11:47<tweakism>I normally set it to happen every 100000000000000 mounts
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11:49<fxiny>i use small partition so fsck can run quite nicely . i don't trust too much modern big fat hd
11:49<tweakism>hrm, well, it works if I do "Other Network" and type in everything manually. at least w/ /stable
11:49<tweakism>although it still ID's the network as WEP instead of WPA2
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12:23<bernardo>how do I setup beryl to be my default window manager?
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12:38<bernardo>everybody is so quiet.....
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12:38<bernardo>i felt like screaming :)
12:38<Franki>yeah yeah, the babys are all sleeping, it's a dream!
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12:39<bernardo>Franki: yeahh....
12:39<bernardo>Franki: so, where r u from?
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12:39<bernardo>Franki: nice....i LOVE german cars...
12:40<Tarcas>sehr gut. Ich muchte ins Deuchland gehen manchmal.
12:40<bernardo>Franki: I'll buy a porsche some day...
12:40<Franki>u 2 don't seem to be from Germany
12:41<bernardo>Franki: he is from bulgaria
12:41<Tarcas>No, St. Louis, Missouri, US for me
12:41<@Ganneff>now, do you have something that fits the topic - which is debian?
12:41<bernardo>Tarcas: Orlando, Florida
12:41<@Ganneff>if not please go elsewhere, this is not a chat channel. thanks.
12:42<bernardo>Ganneff: I don't you? :)
12:42<Franki>anyway, I was having some problems with xmms2 from Debian-etch. It crashes all the time, and the xmms2.log file has pretty confusing error messages in it.
12:42<Tarcas>Reading on using udev to name my 4 NICs in my new (or future, rather) router. May be asking later.
12:42<bernardo>Ganneff: i got something for you do I setup beryl to be my default window manager?
12:43<fxiny>etch xmms2 ? works fine here
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12:43<fxiny>never had a problem
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12:44<Franki>fxiny: yes, and I've checked out that the problem does neither arise from the sound hardware nor the alsa driver/configuration, since Amarok works flawless
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12:45<Franki>well, and I'm right now testing it on a liveCD, just to be sure it's not my system configuration which messes it up
12:45<fxiny>Franki: mv ~./config/xmms2 ~./config/xmms2_old and start again
12:45<Franki>fxiny: ok, I'll try that, thanks
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12:46<fxiny>Franki: lemme know if it works
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12:46<fxiny>it should
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12:46<Donno>hi all... anybody who can helt me with a samba prob?
12:46<Donno>help even
12:47<valdyn>!tell Donno -about ask
12:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:47<Tarcas>Question. I have four NICs in my router. eth1 through eth4 (eth0 was firewire with the vanilla Debian kernel, it's gone now. Not worried about that) Anyway, if I fix their name sin udev based on MAC addresses, and later swap a card, will the new card show up in the gap in names, or will it be eth5?
12:48<Franki>fxiny: thx, it really worked! how can it be that a default configuration file (the one from within the package) can cause an application to crash so badly?
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12:48<Franki>isn't such a behavior not expected to show up in stable?
12:49<valdyn>Tarcas: that likely depends on what is listed in the config file
12:49<dpkg>rumour has it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. See <forcedeth mac>
12:49<Franki>fxiny: anyway, shall I paste you the xmms2.log file?
12:49<Donno>okay.. ive installed samba and configured the smb.conf but when i want to browse my debian box on windows it says that i dont have the rights to do it..? I dont get to enter a name or passwd
12:49<fxiny>Franki: yes , why not ?
12:50<Tarcas>valdyn: I assume you mean the udev config file?
12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:50<valdyn>Tarcas: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
12:50<valdyn>Tarcas: eth0 should still be in there...
12:51<fxiny>Franki: do you use xmms2-client-medialib-updater ? ever run mlib command ? try running xmms2 mlib
12:52<Franki>fxiny: yes, I have run the mlib command before
12:52<Donno>does anybody know why i cant even get to enter a name or passwd when i want to browse my debian box on windows?
12:53<Franki>the lot's of SIGTERMs come from me who tried killing the hanging xmms2d
12:53<valdyn>Donno: because you didnt set up samba?
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12:53<Tarcas>valdyn: That's pretty cool. It apparently reserves each name as a new card is added/detected so that it doesn't take the place of an old one. I guess I just need to add an alias to each of my NICs. Looks like this would have prevented the problem that happened when I upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 and my NICs swapped places.
12:53<valdyn>Tarcas: yea
12:53<Donno>valdyn: well ive tried, but dont know which parms to change to make my win log in to my bedian
12:53<Donno>valdyn: debian even
12:54<valdyn>Donno: you tried what? tried setting up samba?
12:55<Franki>fxiny: I'm especially concerned about the "corrupted double-linked list" messages which seem to be the cause of the trouble
12:55<Donno>valdyn: ive been looking through the smb.conf, made a new user, made shares, security is set to user
12:55<valdyn>Donno: restart samba
12:55<Donno>valdyn: tried...
12:55<Donno>valdyn: and testparm doesnt report any errors
12:56<valdyn>Donno: what is "testparm" ?
12:56<Donno>valdyn: testparm runs through smb.conf and checks for syntactic errors
12:56<valdyn>Donno: i tried testparm, i see
12:56<fxiny>Franki: could be a file corruption generated by some xmms2 radd . i > out medialib.db every now and then cause of privacy . have you done any sqlite3 medialib.db query ?
12:56<valdyn>Donno: try "smbtree" on debian
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12:57<Donno>valdyn: i can even smbclient to my smb on the localhost without errors
12:57<valdyn>Donno: ok, nevermind smbtree then
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12:57<valdyn>Donno: since smbclient covered that
12:57<Donno>valdyn: ok
12:57<valdyn>Donno: how are those 2 computers connected?
12:58<Donno>valdyn: through a hub/switch... smbtree reports both comps and shares
12:58<valdyn>Donno: you actively instaled any firewall in debian?
12:58<Donno>valdyn: not that i know since i have a hardware fw in my router
12:58<valdyn>Donno: ok.
12:59<Donno>valdyn: but i could run a nmap to be sure... know the smb port?
12:59<valdyn>Donno: enter \\server_ip\ in your explorer
12:59<valdyn>Donno: you have nmap on windows?
12:59<valdyn>Donno: running it locally is pointless
12:59<Donno>valdyn: no deb
12:59<Donno>valdyn: even if i had a fw on deb?
13:00<valdyn>Donno: yes
13:00<Donno>valdyn: k
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13:00<valdyn>Donno: whats the error when you enter what i said above in explorer?
13:01<Donno>valdyn: i can \\server_ip\ on windows but reports an error about me not having the rights to enter
13:01<Franki>fxiny: no, I haven't. so you guess it's not a bug in xmms2 but a bug in the sql-library?
13:01<Donno>valdyn: cant remem exactly... 2sec
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13:04<fxiny>Franki: xmms2 has bugs , and many versions . we (etch users) are running gonzo version . is still a work in progress .
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13:05<Franki>fxiny: I have just installed xmms2 because I thought it would be less bug-prone than the original xmms :)
13:05<Franki>maybe it's too early for that
13:05<fxiny>Franki: it uses less resources then xmms . the other day i was after a mac/ape plugin so i looked into sources . they are pretty "messy"
13:05<fxiny>Franki: is much better then xmms
13:05<fxiny>is a work in progress
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13:06<Franki>Franki: okay, so if xmms2 is still a work in progress, are there any plans for a SPC-plugin? (SNES SPC700 soundfile)
13:07<Donno>valdyn: works like a charm now... dont know exactly what i did different, but thanks for all the help
13:07<Franki>fxiny: I meant ;)
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13:07*Franki I should stop speaking to myself
13:07<valdyn>Donno: nice
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13:09<shivraj>how do I patch my kernel ?
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13:09<valdyn>shivraj: not.
13:09<shivraj>valdyn : I shouldnt do it ?
13:09<valdyn>shivraj: right.
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13:09<fxiny>Franki: well . you can do as i did looking for a mac plugin for my Mozart collection . there is anothee version upstream , can'tr rememember the name . etch/gonzo ,lennnyDr.House and sid/Jekyll ,. there is a new one which adds to confusion imo. i ended up convertiing it in flac .
13:10<valdyn>shivraj: ask what you really want or need to do, then people can tell you how or what
13:10<jhonny23>hi i'm looking for a desktop-oriented backup solution
13:10<shivraj>well I just wanted to upgrade, not render my current kernel useless
13:10<fxiny>Franki: as long as i enjoy the cli and low resources i'm happy with this
13:10<shivraj>2.6.23-1 to 2.6.24 not a big upgrade
13:10<jhonny23>something that backups to DVD, but the DVD should be readable even from other machines
13:11<valdyn>shivraj: its a whole new kernel
13:11<valdyn>shivraj: patched is only the source code. the binaries are a whole new kernel
13:11<fxiny>Franki: they should not call it xmms anyway , xmms2 has nothing to do with xmms
13:11<shivraj>oh you cant patch 2.6.23-1 to 2.6.24 ?
13:11<jhonny23>valdyn: i'm using it right now without issues
13:11<shivraj>only 2.6.23-2 ........?
13:11<valdyn>jhonny23: and that is relevant to this how?
13:12<valdyn>shivraj: yea, 2.6.24 is not in debian yet
13:12<shivraj>oh well I will wait for 2.6.24 to come out as a binary
13:12<jhonny23>valdyn: well it's not :P
13:12<valdyn>shivraj: you best wait a few days, it will be soon
13:12<jhonny23>valdyn: c'mon..
13:12<Franki>fxiny: true, but somehow I find xmms2 much nicer.
13:12<valdyn>shivraj: feel free to dig around for your entertainment i suppose, but technically 2.6.24 might not even have anything at all you care for
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13:13<Franki>ok, thanks. good night
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13:14<jhonny23>can anybody suggest me a file-based DVD-based backup application?
13:14<fxiny>mondo ?
13:14<shivraj>no fun ....
13:14<jhonny23>i'm looking to that now
13:14<valdyn>mondo is probably not "file" based
13:14<fxiny>never tried
13:14<jhonny23>yes it looks it's not like taht
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13:14<valdyn>jhonny23: mondo is for creating a set of dvd ( or any media ), that is used for a reinstall from scratch
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13:15<jhonny23>i read that
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13:15<jhonny23>i mean I would like to use the backup DVDs with other boxes without the backup application
13:15<valdyn>its great, but hardly suitable for daily backups
13:15<shivraj>jhonny23 : why dont you find a file-based application
13:16<shivraj>then copy the file to a dvd ?
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13:16<valdyn>that dvd would need to support unix file permissions first
13:16<jhonny23>shivraj: what do you mean?
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13:17<shivraj>jhonny23 : I dont know, create an iso .....
13:17<abeld>Hi! I have a lenny system, and want some packages from I want to use apt pinning to make official packages take precedence over unofficial ones. The release file of's repository contains the line "Origin: Unofficial Multimedia Packages" can I use that in /etc/apt/preferences? do I quote it in a "Pin: release o=..." line?
13:17<dmg>can some one tell me how to install file ?
13:17<jhonny23>shivraj: fill it with files and write it?
13:17<valdyn>dmg: .sh indicates its running via "sh"
13:17<fxiny>valdyn: good point the permission one
13:17<shivraj>no get output from backup program (maybe 1 file)
13:17<dmg>im realy new to linux
13:18<abeld>ie. will the line 'Pin: release o="Unofficial Multimedia Packages"' work?
13:18<valdyn>dmg: sounds like you shouldnt run that file at all, what is it?
13:18<fxiny>i use partimage for my system backups
13:18<jhonny23>shivraj: that would require the backup app on the other machines
13:18<dmg>its quake 3 demo
13:18<fxiny>it skips unused space
13:18<valdyn>!info quake3
13:18<dmg>when i click it it wont open
13:18<jhonny23>shivraj: I would like to be able to copy away single files from the backup media with any machine
13:19<dmg>!info quake
13:19<fxiny>a tarball backup then
13:19<valdyn>dmg: open a terminal, enter "sh"
13:20<jhonny23>fxiny: that may be a possibility but I would like to split the big tar archive in DVDs without splitting files
13:20<jhonny23>a program should do that easily it hink
13:21<dmg>says cant open
13:21<dmg>im runing ubuntu btw
13:21<valdyn>dmg: run "file"
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13:22<valdyn>dmg: you might want to replace with the real name of it
13:22<fxiny>jhonny23: you can't extract a single file for a splitted tar archive
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13:22<shivraj>dmg : you might need to do chmod a+x
13:22<valdyn>jhonny23: ever used apt-cache search ?
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13:22<bouke>evening guys
13:22<dmg>ok with sh its says permission denied
13:23<jhonny23>valdyn: i use aptitude search
13:23<dmg>with run it says command not found
13:23<jhonny23>valdyn: i've not used apt-cache in the last year i think
13:23<bouke>anyone familiar with cpu_scaling on etch'y ?
13:23<shivraj>dmg : then you need to either do chmod 777 or use chmod a+x a+w a+r u+r o+r ...
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13:24<valdyn>dmg: "run" ?, you are supposed to type "file"
13:24<dmg>shivaj i have no clue what you just said im realy new to linux sry
13:24<shivraj>dmg try logging into computer as root
13:24<dmg>i type cd Desktop
13:24<dmg>then ls
13:25<valdyn>sorry for the caps
13:25<shivraj>or if you have sudo installed
13:25<dmg>to see the list
13:25<jhonny23>valdyn: did you find something?
13:25<valdyn>dmg: "file"
13:25<dmg>i tried that but my root password wont work for some reason
13:25<bouke>k anyone familiar with cpu_scaling on etch'y ?
13:25<jhonny23>valdyn: I found lots to but none that fits my needs
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13:26<valdyn>jhonny23: not really, i cant see how exactly cedar-backup2 stores data from the package description
13:26<dmg>and i know my password cause i put the same password for every thing
13:26<amphi>bouke: on what cpu?
13:26<bouke>amd 64
13:26<amphi>dunno about amd, sorry
13:26<valdyn>dmg: "aptitude install file", then run abovementioned command
13:27<bouke>amphi : to bad :( followed blog on but now my system start freezing
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13:27<dmg>i type aptitude in terminal?
13:27<valdyn>dmg: yes, the 3 words, literally
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13:28<shivraj>dmg : I suggest you find out what your root password is, you dont need it all the time in linux but you should have it
13:28<valdyn>ubuntu has no root password
13:28<shivraj>dmg : how are you going to isntall apps ?
13:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 353] by debhelper
13:29<valdyn>he uses sudo
13:29<dmg>yeah i got 13 permisions denied
13:29<amphi>bouke: freezing when? have you tried to undervolt the cpu?
13:29<valdyn>dmg: did you manage to install ?
13:30<valdyn>dmg: ok
13:30<valdyn>dmg: "sudo aptitude install file"
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13:30<dmg>ok whats next?
13:31<dmg>this one loaded
13:31<dmg>its asking me yes or no
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13:31<valdyn>dmg: you run "file" ( replace with the real name of that thing )
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13:31<valdyn>dmg: ops, you answer yes
13:31<bouke>amphi : could be, dont know exactly what it did, but my cpu is 2ghz and after tut on idle it was 1 ghz, but when i type glxgears, it fires up to 2 ghz again
13:32<valdyn>dmg: this is pretty hard when you are totally unfamiliar with how debian does these things
13:32<dmg>ok is done reading database
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13:32<valdyn>dmg: do what i said above
13:32<valdyn>!tab completion
13:32<dpkg>Hit <tab> to complete the nick ( on irc ), the program- or filename ( in bash ) or various program parameters ( in bash with tab-completion scripts enabled )
13:33<dmg>POSIX shell script text executable
13:33<valdyn>dmg: now run it with "bash" or "sh"
13:33<dmg>thats what it says
13:33<valdyn>dmg: and no typo this time..
13:35<dmg>bash and sh both give me permission denied
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13:35<valdyn>dmg: use sudo, at your own risk
13:35<valdyn>dmg: i dont know that installer
13:36<dmg>what linux you guys use
13:36<amphi>bouke: what governor are you using?
13:36<valdyn>dmg: this is a debian channel
13:36<valdyn>dmg: guess what we use
13:37<dmg>i see
13:37<valdyn>dmg: you stick to your ubuntu till you know the basics
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13:37<dmg>thats the problem i cant figure out the basics :)
13:37<valdyn>dmg: does the installer work now?
13:37<h3xagram>hello, I seem to be having a problem running rar/unrar after installling it...
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13:37<h3xagram>rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
13:38<valdyn>h3xagram: use the debian package
13:38<h3xagram>valdyn: I di.
13:38<valdyn>h3xagram: which package is it?
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13:38<valdyn>dmg: and what is the error?
13:39<Scrap>Hello! I want to install debian for a server. Do I need to download 3 DVDs to do this? I don't want to install it fully through the internet
13:39<h3xagram>I used apt-get to install
13:39<h3xagram>and I installed unrar from the same debian repository as well
13:39<valdyn>!info libc6 etch
13:39<dpkg>libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 4589 kB, Installed size: 10808 kB
13:39<valdyn>HellTiger: paste the output of "dpkg -l rar | tail -1" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
13:40<valdyn>Scrap: read the install guide
13:40<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
13:40<dpkg>Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing!
13:40<HellTiger>not me :>
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13:40<dmg>xterm: Cant execvp ./ Permission denied
13:40<valdyn>HellTiger: sorry
13:40<h3xagram>valdyn: that is already installed
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13:40<valdyn>h3xagram: paste the output of "dpkg -l rar | tail -1" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
13:40<keyz>Scrap, just download the netinst if you got internet on this server
13:41<bouke> help
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13:41<keyz>bouke, this is not 911
13:41<c>hi, i have a problem with sftp on my server. I can sftp access the server from the command line but cannot access it from a SFTP client on the same machine to the server. is there any difference between the two methods that would make the client not work?
13:41<bouke> is there anybody familiar with cpu trothling ?
13:41<h3xagram>ii rar 3.7b1-2 Archiver for .rar files
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13:42<h3xagram>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
13:42<shivraj>dmg : use sudo
13:43<dmg>i did
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13:43<shivraj>where did you get this game from ?
13:43<shivraj>a cd ?
13:43<shivraj>or online ?
13:43<dmg>no i downloaded it from internet
13:43<dmg>its file
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13:45<fxiny>quake ?
13:45<PinkyDW>is there anyway to keep resolv.conf from getting overwritten? Trying to specifiy my dns since my router doesn't seem to handle it right
13:45<dmg>i typed sudu aptitude install file
13:45<fxiny>shivraj: which game ?
13:45<dmg>it loaded but when i tried to exec the file i get permission denied
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13:46<shivraj>dmg : see that link
13:46<shivraj>dmg : I think you need to do chmod a+x on the file .. or it might not work
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13:47<c>hi, i have a problem with sftp on my server. I can sftp access the server from the command line but cannot access it from a SFTP client on the same machine to the server. is there any difference between the two methods that would make the client not work?
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13:50<shivraj>fxiny : thanks
13:50<fxiny>h3xagram: 3.7b1-2 is the etch version : what's your problem ?
13:50<fxiny>shivraj: np
13:50<fxiny>h3xagram: try : rar x file.rar
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13:52<dmg>shivraj i did chmod a+x *.sh and i get black window open and close i cant even see what it is
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13:52<dmg>when i run the file
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13:52<dmg>like sh filename
13:53<shivraj>dmg: they say something about that at the website I provided
13:53<eric_>hi.. how could i run gnome-obex-server??
13:54<bernardo>how can I set beryl to be my default window manager?
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13:57<shivraj>bernardo : remove all other window managers ... ie only have one thats what I do I just do startx
13:57<shivraj>bernardo : install gdm
13:57<shivraj>and use it to set your default wm
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13:57<bernardo>shivraj: i have gdm, but when i try to select it from the list, it's just not there!
13:57<poppen>One stupid question, in the terminal. Why cant i remove folders with the rm command? Is the only way of removing a folder with rm -r?
13:58<shivraj>bernardo : did you install using a .deb ?
13:58<shivraj>or apt ?
13:58<poppen>or is there any other way
13:58<bernardo>poppen: yeah
13:58<poppen>ah ty fxiny
13:58<fxiny>poppen: if empty or rm -fr if not
13:58<fxiny>rmdir is safer
13:58<poppen>yeah i noticed it
13:58<poppen>thank you
13:58<h3xagram>fxiny: I can't use rar for some reason... I get this error: rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
13:59<bernardo>h3xagram: you need to have glibc2.4
13:59<h3xagram>bernardo: it is installed
13:59<fxiny>h3xagram: that is a symlink > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ symbolic link to `
13:59<bernardo>h3xagram: maybe it is not finding it
13:59<h3xagram>what do I do?
14:00<bernardo>h3xagram: maybe there is a config file that u can set up the path...
14:00<h3xagram>there is no config file for rar
14:00<shivraj>bernardo : you need to install it with apt I dont see that in my apt-cache ,, but it does all of the configuring ... or find configuration file in /etc
14:00<h3xagram>plus I installed this straight from debian's repository
14:00<fxiny>h3xagram: ln -s ...
14:00<fxiny>man ln
14:00<fxiny>h3xagram: or purge rar and reistall
14:01<h3xagram>what... ln -s /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ ` ?
14:01<h3xagram>already tried purging
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14:01<fxiny>are you running etch ?
14:02<dmg>fxiny that ftp for idstuff is asking me for password
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14:04<HennaX>dmg: did you try an empty password?
14:04<dmg>didnt work
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14:04<fxiny>dmg: i ain't been there since ages
14:04<HennaX>dmg: anonymous FTP often requires a password in the form of an email address
14:04<dmg>i'll try that
14:05<fxiny>h3xagram: did you use dpkg to install rar ? check your sources list for non-free
14:06<dmg>i got in but it has the same file i have downloaded already
14:07<fxiny>dmg: strange : no password required
14:07<fxiny>dmg: what exactly are you trying to download ?
14:07<dmg>yeah the 3rd time it didnt ask me for password that was weird
14:08<dmg>im not trying to download im trying to install quake3 demo
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14:08<dmg>wich is file
14:08<dmg>i tried with sudo
14:08<dmg>and is not working
14:08<dmg>im using Ubuntu btw
14:08<fxiny>gz ? gunzipp it first
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14:09<fxiny>ubu ?
14:10<fxiny>dmg: ubu huh ? that's why asks YOU for a pass :P
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14:10<fxiny>dmg: :))
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14:11<dmg>i had CENT OS installed but people told me to get Ubuntu since im the biggest noob at linux so i did
14:11<Nemoder>ubuntu doesn't use bash by default, that's probably your problem
14:11<shivraj>dmg: atleast they didnt tell you to try gentoo :)
14:12<dmg>how do i make bash default?
14:12<Nemoder>perhaps you should ask that in an ubuntu channel
14:12<fxiny>dmg: wgetting that demo takes 45 minutes
14:12<chealer>Nemoder: huh? sorry but what does it use?
14:12<Nemoder>uses dash
14:13<joyfulgirl>dmg: sudo usermod -s $(which bash)
14:13<chealer>Nemoder: are you talking about the shell during boot?
14:13<fxiny>why dash ?
14:13<joyfulgirl>dmg: Though I think there's probably a GNOME utility to adjust settings, as well...
14:14<dmg>Joy im realy new at linux
14:14<dmg>you need to tell me exacly what to type
14:15<shivraj>dmg : sudo apt-get install bash if its not already installed
14:15<fxiny>update-alternatives rulez
14:15<joyfulgirl>dmg: That is exactly what you'd type :-)
14:15<shivraj>then type bash to log into the bash sheel
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14:16<joyfulgirl>dmg: Also, it's really helpful (especially in a busy channel like this) to type out the full nick of the person you're addressing (you can usually press TAB to complete it), because then their client points out your message :-)
14:17<dmg>k will do im sorry
14:17<dmg>joyfulgirl: i got list of commands that i can use
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14:19<dmg>shivraj: i tried sudo get and it says its already installed
14:19<h3xagram>fxiny: I used both apt-get and dpkg
14:20<h3xagram>either way, it doesn't work and both are coming from the official debian repository (non-free)
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14:20<shivraj>dmg : then just type bash
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14:21<dmg>i did
14:21<shivraj>dmg : that will log you into that shell
14:21<marsu>hello !!! I have this small issue with my fonts... I just upgraded debian, and... Everytime I start firefox, or any X software, the menu "File, Edit, etc" takes a good half of my screen. With firefox, it's even worse, because there's also a bar at the bottom of the screen ( "Loading the page ..." ), and I have next to no view of the pages themselves.. Do you know how to change the default font size under debian ? ^^;
14:21<dmg>you mean bash filename?
14:21<shivraj>noo... do whatever you were doing before but you're in bash now
14:21<Nemoder>bash filename should work
14:22<dmg>shivraj: i did sh filename and i get black window pop up and disapear
14:23<dmg>shivraj: cant even see what it says
14:23<shivraj>dmg : I searched in google and a lot of people are having that problem ... try google
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14:24<joyfulgirl>Nemoder: If Ubuntu's not using bash, what *are* they using these days?
14:24<Nemoder>joyfulgirl: they are using dash
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14:25<dmg>any one know the chanel for ubuntu?
14:25<Nemoder>#ubuntu on freenode
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14:25<nikodeb>(_.·´¯) hello everybody (¯`·._)
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14:26<fxiny>h3xagram: could be not configured properly try : dpkg --configure -a
14:26<gcs>Hi! I try to use findstring in Makefile like: ifeq ($(findstring nostrip, $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)),)
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14:26<joyfulgirl>Nemoder: Oh. Huh. Weird, but I guess that makes sense since they want people off the terminal...
14:26<poppen>Is it possible to change the name of my username in debian?
14:26<gcs>But I get: syntax error near unexpected token `nostrip,'
14:26<gcs>What do I miss?
14:27<earthian>Hello is it possible to recover data from a disk that had the data file removed with 'rm' and then a file created with dd of=/disk/file if=/dev/urandom to consume the disk space
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14:28<joyfulgirl>poppen: As root, `usermod -l newname'. When you've done that, you can also change your home directory using usermod, though you'll need to move all your files to the new one.
14:28<gcs>earthian: No hope.
14:28<shivraj>poppen : adduser ?
14:28<Scrap>I got only first DVD with Debian 4.0 r0. Is it bootable? Is it ok to install Debian using this DVD and then upgrade the OS to the newest version?
14:28<earthian>gcs, even if i would pay companies with special equipment to do so?
14:28<shivraj>poppen : ie add a new user ?
14:29<poppen>thankyou joyfulgirl
14:29<poppen>shivraj i dont want another user
14:29<bernardo>Scrap: sure
14:29<poppen>just change the current one
14:29<fxiny>earthian: it seems you know already the answer
14:30<earthian>fxiny, i am not sure :S
14:30<gcs>earthian: Yup. Data was erased. It would be possible to recover it if only it was erased. But the disk was filled with random data, so all blocks were overwritten with ir.
14:30<otih>jo, verständlich
14:30<gcs>... with it.
14:30<earthian>ok thanks.
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14:30<poppen>joyfulgirl how do i change my home dir using usermod?
14:30<earthian>that answers my question
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14:30<mzhang>anybody knows how to get the compiz-fusion cube gear working?
14:31<fxiny>i bet 10p dd won't do nothing to avoid recover
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14:32<joyfulgirl>poppen: `usermod -d /full/path/to/new/home/dir' (as root). Then you need to manually move your old one to the new location. Just for future reference, it's all in the manual (`man usermod')
14:33<Scrap>thanks everyone!
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14:33<fxiny>and safe-deleting multi passes Guttman style will just cook the hd up
14:33<joyfulgirl>poppen: You'll probably have to log out and log back in when you're done...
14:34<poppen>i cant make it work :S
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14:34<poppen>changing the username
14:34<joyfulgirl>poppen: What error are you getting?
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14:34<poppen>i type usermod -l poppen (this is my new username)
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14:34<poppen>i get that the user doesnt exist
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14:36<poppen>my current username is Mr.Cosy
14:36<poppen>should i enter it also somehow?
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14:37<joyfulgirl>poppen: I don't think so. I told you wrong...try doing this step NOT as root but as the user you're changing. Let me know if that works.
14:37<poppen>ah ok
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14:38<dmg>i went to ubuntu chanel and i got no help
14:38<walrus>what do i do to see sys info on my debian ??
14:38<dmg>i got more help here then there
14:38<poppen>now i get the error that usermod command doesnt exist
14:38<joyfulgirl>dmg: I think I missed the beginning of your problem. What exactly is going on?
14:38<dmg>i get Permission denied when i try to install that shell file
14:39<dmg>i tried sudo
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14:39<dmg>still not working
14:39<joyfulgirl>poppen: Oh wait, duh...okay. Do, as root, `usermod -l newname oldname'
14:39<joyfulgirl>poppen: I guess I should read more carefully, too :-)
14:40<dmg>the file is
14:40<poppen>now it works :) i tried the same thing but switched places with the name order
14:40<joyfulgirl>poppen: You're welcome. Sorry I told you wrong at first.
14:40<poppen>np i learn of it as well :)
14:40<joyfulgirl>dmg: Where are you trying to install it, and if I can ask, what does it do?
14:41<joyfulgirl>poppen: That's how it goes!
14:41<dmg>joyfulgirl: its a game called quake 3 and im trying to install it on Ubuntu
14:41<dmg>the file is
14:42<walrus>i want bash to display hardware info about a hp proliant server ,,, what cmds do i need?? thx ...
14:42<dmg>joyfulgirl: i cant get it to run thats the problem
14:43<dmg>joyfulgirl: having problems runing the installation
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14:43<joyfulgirl>dmg: I see. So you're just trying to run an installer file, I guess?
14:43<suiside>walrus: look at lspci and lshw, also 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' and 'cat /proc/meminfo' might be interesting
14:43<dmg>joyfulgirl: yes
14:44<joyfulgirl>dmg: And your shell isn't bash. Okay, in the administation menu, there should somewhere be one that looks like it changes users' settings.
14:44<walrus>suiside, thx a lot =) im beginning a new job as a debian servers manager, thx again =)
14:45<joyfulgirl>dmg: If you can find that program, you should be able to set your shell to /bin/bash, and then you should hopefully be able to get a terminal open and run the installer.
14:46<gcs>Where can I ask questions about Makefiles?
14:47<dmg>joyfulgirl: i found it and i created new password for root
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14:48<dmg>joyfulgirl: it had some default password
14:48<dmg>joyfulgirl: what do i do next?
14:48<joyfulgirl>dmg: Try opening a terminal
14:49<tweakism>joyfulgirl: ssh and chsh?
14:49<dmg>i have it open
14:49<tweakism>your shell doesn't need to be bash to run .sh
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14:49<tweakism>dmg: is it executable?
14:50<dmg>its file
14:50<tweakism>dmg: in what way does it not run?
14:50<tweakism> doesn't make much sense, but if it ends in .sh I'm going to assume it's a shellscript.
14:50<dmg>if i double click it is not opening
14:50<dmg>tweakism: it is shell yes
14:50<tweakism>dmg: open a terminal, cd to the directory it's in, and do: chmod ugo+x <>; ./<>
14:51<fxiny>chmod 700
14:51<tweakism>eh whatever
14:52<fxiny>dmg: in 4 minutes i'll check that
14:52<dmg>fxiny: thank you
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14:53<tweakism>dmg: so what did that do?
14:55<dmg>tweakism: i went to the directory but i cant type the file twice
14:55<tweakism>you need to do: ./
14:56<tweakism>because . (current directory) is generally not in your $PATH
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14:57<dmg>tweakism: i did it and it send me back to my Desktop directory where the file is
14:57<tweakism>what is the entire name of the file?
14:57<tweakism>and what do you get if you do: head -n 1 <>
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14:57<dmg>tweakism: i press TAB
14:58<dmg>tweakism: so im sure im not making typos
14:58<Aleric>Does anyone know, can I make a (extended) regular expression (using sed) that matches something that was just matched before? Ie: abcFOOwhateverFOOdef Then I want to match (F..).*& where the & should match what was matched in the previous braces (thus, FOO).
14:58<tweakism>Aleric: \1 matches whatever was captured by the first ()
14:59<Aleric>tweakism: Oh, I thought you could only use \1 to replace
14:59<tweakism>Aleric: I never use sed, but that's the way it works most of the time.
14:59<tweakism>Aleric: in Perl it's \1 in the matching and $1 in the replacement
15:00<shivraj>dmg : try it exactly as he says
15:00<shivraj>with ./
15:00<fxiny>Aleric: i think you want something like /\1/'
15:00<Aleric>tweakism: It works, thanks :)
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15:00<tweakism>Aleric: n/p
15:00<dmg>shivraj: i did and it send me back to my Desktop directory
15:00<tweakism>dmg: head -n 1 <filename>
15:01<fxiny>something like this : sed 's/\(.*\):/\1/'
15:01<Aleric>Is there is also a way to make .* no-greedy in sed?
15:01<shivraj>so the file is on your desktop ?
15:01<IRCMonkey>Hi, Ive got a problem with 'aptitude': I can't make him accept not to install 'recommanded' files; any solution?
15:01<tweakism>if it says "#!/bin/sh" I don't know what else I can do for you.
15:01<IRCMonkey>Only since lenny
15:02<tweakism>if it says anything else, try "sh" instead of "./"
15:02<dmg>tweakism: invalid numbers of lines
15:02<dmg>tweakism: invalid number of lines
15:02<IRCMonkey>since the latext version in lenny...
15:02<Aleric>IRCMonkey: must be some option in its config file
15:02<tweakism>dmg: ... you did: head -n 1
15:02<dmg>shivraj: yes its on my deskto
15:03<tweakism>dmg: how big is the file?
15:03<dmg>tweakism: sorry i thought that was L ok now i get #! /bin/sh when i pres enter
15:04<tweakism>no space though, right?
15:04<tweakism>just #!/bin/sh ?
15:04<dmg>tweakism: 45mb
15:04<dmg>tweakism: yes
15:04<tweakism>I dunno then man, you're executing it, but it's not doing anything.
15:04<tweakism>or so it would seem.
15:04<joyfulgirl>IRCMonkey: It looks like there's an option called "Option:Aptitude::Recommends-Important"...if set to false, that behavior *should* stop.
15:04<dmg>tweakism: im on Ubuntu btw
15:04<IRCMonkey>Aleric: I checked, and I saw I did it two : aptitude::Recommends-Important "false"; in the .aptitude/config file
15:05<tweakism>IRCMonkey: case is important
15:05<IRCMonkey>joyfulgirl: *should* (see the prevous line)
15:05<joyfulgirl>IRCMonkey: If you start up aptitude's UI and go to Options, there should also be an option to turn this off.
15:05<IRCMonkey>tweakism: whitch case would you use?
15:06<tweakism>IRCMonkey: Whatever the docs say?
15:06<joyfulgirl>IRCMonkey: "[ ] Intall recommended packages automatically"
15:06<IRCMonkey>joyfulgirl: but it doesn't do any thing
15:06<joyfulgirl>IRCMonkey: Then I don't know, sorry.
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15:07<fxiny>dmg: it's 48M che md5sum > 484610c1ce34272223a52ec331c99d5d
15:08<tweakism>yeah def check the md5sum
15:10<dmg>fxiny: it says 47mb when i right click it but thats close enough
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15:11<dmg>fxiny: did you try to install it ?
15:11<shivraj>joyfulgirl : how can I remove dependencies that are not being used ?
15:11<fxiny>dmg: i'm trying
15:11<shivraj>joyfulgirl : ie purge system
15:11<IRCMonkey>tweakism: It desn't say anything in the man aptitude; anyway I think it's it whitch wrote it into the config file :)
15:12<azeem>shivraj: apt-get autoremove on testing/unstable
15:12<tweakism>shivraj: install deborphan. it will show you anything you have installed that is not depended on by anything else.
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15:15<shivraj>tweakism : thanks
15:16<tweakism>shivraj: only shows libraries by default, "deborphan -a" to show all types of packages.
15:16<shivraj>azeem : Im using stable ...
15:16<fxiny>dmg: extract it like this as user : ./ 123 . cd 123 and as root run ./
15:17<dmg>fxiny: is 123 password?
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15:18<fxiny>dmg: 123 is just a dir
15:18<dmg>fxiny: type the line i need to type please
15:18<fxiny>dmg: it will be installed in /usr/local/games/q3demo
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15:19<fxiny>dmg: is a compressed file : chmod 700 file . then ./file 12
15:19<shivraj>tweakism : something's wrong with that .. it says bitchx x-windows-core .. nano ftp flac ... a lot of good programs
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15:20<tweakism>shivraj: yeah, programs that aren't depended upon by anything else.
15:20<fxiny>dmg: chmod 700 file . ./file -target 123 as user , cd 123 , ./setup as root
15:20<tweakism>shivraj: you have to read the list and determine which ones are programs you installed, and which ones you don't need.
15:20<tweakism>shivraj: they're programs that aren't needed for other programs to run.
15:20<shivraj>ok well I got enlightenment-data
15:21<fxiny>dmg: i cannot run it cause i do not have all libs
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15:21<Simon42>is deborphan also showing packages installed by hand?
15:22<fxiny>dmg: everything will be in /usr/local/games/q3demo , help files included : good luck :)
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15:22<tweakism>Simon42: It always does.
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15:23<tweakism>Simon42: it's a good way to clean up your system though.
15:23<tweakism>manually though, I never meant pipe it to aptitude purge
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15:24<dmg>fxiny: i get -target invalid
15:25<dmg>fxiny: thx for the help
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15:25<fxiny>dmg: are you a normal user ?
15:25<dmg>fxiny: meaning?
15:25<fxiny>don't use sudo
15:26<dmg>fxiny: i dont use sudo
15:26<fxiny>but again if ubu uses dash in this case as a noob as you said . you'd better off by running a pure debian system : you'll be able to install in a sec
15:27<dmg>fxiny: yeah i thought of that ganna go download it now
15:28<fxiny>dmg: downloading debian ?
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15:28<dmg>if im getting more support here then in Ubuntu chanel is better use debian
15:28<dmg>fxiny: yes
15:28<fxiny>dmg: welcome :)
15:28<dmg>fxiny: thx
15:29<Simon42>shivraj: I just had a good experience with deborphan, filtering out the manually installed packages and purge the remaining output (automatically).
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15:30<dmg>fxiny: should i get the minimalbootable CD image?
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15:30<dmg>or full cd?
15:31<lysdexic>I am looking for a sure-fire howto on how to install cups samba on debian.. anyone know of one?
15:32<fxiny>dmg: iirc gnome is in the first cd , kde second and xfce4 third . i have to go but i am sure someone else will support you
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15:32<IRCMonkey>I've been told where to look for On french channel :
15:33<lysdexic>I have the printer set up via cups (its local usb), and I have samba working (in that another share is fully working), yet the printer refuses to show up in its shar, and Im getting sick of 'flailing in the dark'
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15:40<dmg>debian is 21 CD's?
15:41<Firztspawn>lol, just do a net-install
15:41<Firztspawn>and download what you need then
15:41<dmg>so all i need is netinstall.iso?
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15:42<alfa>and a good connection to the internet
15:42<dmg>i have 8mb connection
15:42<chealer>dmg: you don't need anything. netinst is one option.
15:42<alfa>that should do it
15:43<Firztspawn>my max is 8mb and it doesnt take too long for me
15:43<alfa>u can install with netinstaller only
15:43<alfa>but is minimal
15:44<alfa>only means without net
15:44<shivraj>I almost remove all of my system by remove python2.4, everything depends on it :) messing with django !!
15:45<agentbleubleu>can anyone help with a self cert ssl and phpmyadmin issue, this is a new instal and i'm a novice, has anyone any idea why i get this error after trying to login: #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)
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15:45<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to get lenny on my etch but it always fails after zenity. Dpkg exits
15:46<bcochofel>After long hours off internet downloads I get an error. Does anybody knows about this?
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15:46<shivraj>bcochofel : why in the world are you using lenny ?
15:46<shivraj>bcochofel : I am still using etch
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15:47<bcochofel>shivraj: I have etch but I want to give lenny a rty
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15:48<panagos>hi, how can i watch how many page faults a process has done in the last n seconds/minutes? and not from its start, as top does...
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15:48<shivraj>bcochofel ... well deal with it .. sarge sucked etch rocks
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15:48<Simon42>bcochofel: you can use whatever you want, but if you need help, please let us have a look at the error
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15:49<bcochofel>Simon42: ok, soon has I have the full text I paste it here
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15:49<bouke>already anyone online who knows bout etch cpu scaling ?
15:49<Simon42>paste it to somewhere else and give us a link
15:49<Simon42>if it's more than two lines
15:50<bcochofel>Simon42: yes, I'll paste it to pastebin
15:53<bouke>is there really nobody online who knows bout etch cpu scaling ???
15:53<azeem>bouke: maybe you should be more specific
15:54<bcochofel>Simon42: I have here a netinst of lenny from 25 Jan. But I get No kernel modules were found. Can I get around this? How?
15:54<bouke>azeem : wel cpu scaling ? isn't that rather specific ?
15:54<azeem>bouke: no
15:54<azeem>bouke: cpu scaling should work
15:54<azeem>so unless it doesn't work, I'm not sure what you want to discuss
15:54<azeem>bcochofel: why do you install lenny?
15:55<dmg>im ganna go install debian wish me luck :)
15:55<azeem>bcochofel: it's recommended to install etch and upgrade
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15:55<bcochofel>azeem: I did that but get an error on dpkg
15:55<azeem>bcochofel: pastebin it
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15:55<bouke>azeem : it doesn't work for me, coz when i want to change the freq, the pc hangs instandly.
15:56<azeem>bouke: how do you want to change the freq?
15:56<azeem>and what cpu?
15:56<bcochofel>azeem: well, now I don't have it. I was trying to install th enetinst
15:56<azeem>bcochofel: eh
15:56<azeem>bcochofel: lenny netinst?
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15:56<bcochofel>azeem: it's the second time I've tried and get the same error so I dido go for the netinst
15:57<bouke>i've got a amd 64 3200+ wich should do 2 ghz, and it does, but downscaling makes my pc freeze
15:57<bcochofel>azeem: yes
15:57<azeem>bcochofel: didn't I just say you shouldn't do that?
15:57<bcochofel>azeem: ok
15:57<azeem>21:55 < azeem> bouke: how do you want to change the freq?
15:57<shivraj>I just created a group called django
15:57<shivraj>how do I add a user to it ?
15:57<shivraj>ie myself
15:57<azeem>shivraj: adduser user group
15:58<azeem>or the other way round
15:58<azeem>read the manpage
15:58<bcochofel>azeem: should I install again etch and upgrade. That's the second time I try
15:58<azeem>bcochofel: yes
15:58<azeem>and when you hit an error, pastebin it
15:58<bouke>azeem : well fist on a 'ondemand' profile but later i found the gnome applet, so i wanted to get the 2 ghz trough gnome applet when i needed the power
15:58<shivraj>now azeem I have a directory called /home/projects I only want users in that group to have read write access to it
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15:59<azeem>shivraj: man chmod
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15:59<bcochofel>azeem: I believe the error was something from gnome
15:59<azeem>bcochofel: that's a bit too vague to debug it
16:00<bcochofel>azeem: yes, I know. I'm gonna install it again so I can see the error and paste it
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16:00<bouke>azeem : maybe usefull for a solution, i followed this howto
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16:06<bcochofel>azeem: I only need to change sources.list from etch to lenny, right?
16:06<bcochofel>azeem: then dist-upgrade
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16:06<azeem>bcochofel: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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16:07<smf68>hi, how can i install mysql 4.x on etch? it always fails for me because it seems to depend on mysql 5.0 which doesn't install on my kernel 2.4 :(
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16:08<seeker>in ur place i've benn changeing the kernel
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16:09<smf68>seeker: i will change it, but i can't do so at the moment and need mysql4. isn't that possible through apt?
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16:10<walrus>does anybody know some web cache proxy server software that requires logon from every host in order to access the web ???
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16:11<walrus>web cache is not necessary in the context of the above question
16:11<ranix>If I use hping3 --rand-source to bomb my mailserver to do a test on some stuff, I've been told it's likely my packets won't even get to the internet. Where can I find more information about that?
16:12<Mr-R>walrus: you could reconfigure squid to do that
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16:12<crazyb0y>yes squid can do that =)
16:12<walrus>Mr-R, really?? i thought squid only works with ip ranges
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16:13<shivraj>how can I setup ntpd to sync time with server ?
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16:13<walrus> *works only* sry for my english ^
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16:13<crazyb0y>shivraj: you have to define a server in your ntp.conf
16:14<crazyb0y>for example: server iburst
16:14<chealer>smf68: find an unofficial package, or try installing sarge's if that works, or install it manually.
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16:15<Mr-R>walrus: look for auth_param in squid.conf
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16:15<shivraj>crazyb0y : where is that ?
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16:15<walrus>Mr-R, i will do that, thx a lot =)
16:15<crazyb0y>shivraj: /etc/ntp.conf maybe =)
16:15<shivraj>crazyb0y : I installed ntpdate
16:15<crazyb0y>shivraj: what do you want to run, ntpdate or ntpd server?
16:16<crazyb0y>if you just want to sync with ntpdate, you don't need to edit /etc/ntp.conf you may do it manually with ntpdate <>
16:16<shivraj>crazyb0y : ntpdate to get the time
16:17<crazyb0y>shivraj: just find a server for your local time/zone and to this: ntpdate <>
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16:17<crazyb0y>you have difficults with finding a server for your location?
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16:17<shivraj>woh .. my screen went black for a second
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16:18<crazyb0y>shivraj: ok do this: 'ntpdate'
16:19<shivraj>yeah I did .. crazyb0y
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16:19<shivraj>how do I set it up to sync automatically ?
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16:19<crazyb0y>if you want to do this automatically, you should add it to crontab, or edit your /etc/ntp.conf with defining the server there
16:20<Simon42>i don't know if it's in etch, but my ntpdate has also an "ntpdate-debian" which is configurable by /etc/default/ntpdate
16:20<shivraj>crazyb0y : my ntp.conf doest exist
16:20<crazyb0y>shivraj: Simon42 told you =)
16:21<crazyb0y>Simon42: it seems to be etch =p
16:21<kop>I want to do some diagramming. Logical and physical network diagrams and such. I'm a bit sick of dia. What alternatives are there. I'm thinking maybe I want to do something with svg. (Inkscape or sodipodi (sp?).) Anyone have any thoughts as to what would be best?
16:21<witte>kop: kivio?
16:22<kop>shivraj : If you want to use ntpd see: zless /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz
16:23<IRCMonkey>kop: graphviz
16:23<kop>witte : I'm not excited about flowcharting, but I'll take a look.
16:23<witte>ok, I was just thinking about a dia replacement
16:24<witte>kop: i make my figures using xfig, but i am not sure that is something you want
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16:25<kop>IRCMonkey : graphviz looks very interesting. Although it might not be suitable for this case. I probably want a bit more control over layout.
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16:25<Gattuso>c'è qualcuno??
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16:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:26<kop>!tell Gattuso -about ask
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16:27<Gattuso>there is somebody that has compiled rhythmbox 0.10.x for debian
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16:28<Gattuso>i tried but during the configuratio (./configure) give me an error
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16:29<witte>Gattuso: rhythmbox is a debian package
16:29<witte>Gattuso: at least in sid, not sure about stable
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16:29<kop>witte: I do want (or would like to look at) a dia replacement.
16:29<kop>Gattuso : I just looked in stable, it's there.
16:29<Gattuso>yes but not the 0.10 branch (i'm telling about debian etch)
16:30<witte>Gattuso: maybe it is backported?
16:30<Gattuso>in the last branch rhythmbox has added MTP support (creative ZEN V)
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16:31<witte>Gattuso: i checked, it isn't
16:31<Gattuso>i've etch backports repository but it doesn't seem to be
16:32<Gattuso>i'm sorry for my bad english
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16:33<Gattuso>i've no problem to debianized this source with checkinstall
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16:34<Gattuso>the problem it's that when i try to compile the initial script doesn't find the right ACLOCAL FLAGS
16:34<Gattuso>Do u have a solution??
16:35<kop>Gattuso : No. But somebody else might be able to help if you used pastebin to post your compile results.
16:35<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
16:36<Gattuso>thank u so much tomorrow i'll try
16:37<kop>Gattuso : Trying again a different day sometimes works because different people are here. (They will need your compile output.)
16:37<Gattuso>sorry i don't understand the meaning
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16:38<kop>"gets an answer"
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16:38<kop>"that gives 'working' results"
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16:39<niron>teraz to sie porobilo z tym panelem
16:39<niron>dalem resa kompa i po logowaniu z 6 komunikatow ze blad w cos tam panel
16:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:39<Gattuso>however till debian sid hasn't libmtp
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16:40<Gattuso>i compile it by hand every time
16:40<Gattuso>see u later
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16:50<walrus>can i used
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16:51<sasha>hi , i can not find a patch for my rc file to enable progressbar in bootsplash since a recent update , can somebody help me please
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16:57<kop>I just upgraded X and it _looks_ like ctrl-alt-backspace completely restarts X, but I figured I'd check just in case it does some sort of reload.
16:59<freehat>What's the difference between a restart and a reload
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16:59<azeem>restart restarts, reload reloads the (possibly changed) configuration
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17:00<freehat>Wouldn't a restart do that too
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17:00<kop>freehat : Yes, but no the reverse. Reloads would not use new code.
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17:03<kop>Ok. Took me a minute to find the docs. (Can't do 'man X' any more, gotta do 'man xorg'.) Crtl-alt-backspace kills the server completely. All is good.
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17:03<freehat>I would have guessed it's a restart
17:03<freehat>I know it loads config files
17:04<kop>freehat : Me too. But better safe than sorry.
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17:05<kop>Speaking of which, I'm using apt-cacher on I'd think this would be a good thing, but I worry about the daily cleaning of the cache. Is happy with people using apt-cacher?
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17:10<sasha>nobody using bootsplah around here ??
17:11<joyfulgirl>sasha: It's been deprecated by splashy, actually
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17:12<sasha>ho , are you sure ? i heard that splashy was a crappy implementation is it true ?
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17:13<Mr-R>bootsplash is always crappy. *duck and run* :)
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17:13<joyfulgirl>sasha: I don't know too much about it, actually; I think it is still in development, though.
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17:15<Simon42>sasha: you can have a look at usplash, too
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17:17<sasha>i used to use bootsplash , the problem is i was patching the rc file with a rc.diff from but since a recent update if i try to patch i have hunk message so i prefer not to try
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17:22<Pipperss>Ciao a tutti, qlc mi sa dire una webcam perfettamente compatibile ?
17:22<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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17:56<IRCMonkey>how would you do for internet keyboard (full, exclusive), navigation?
17:57<kop>IRCMonkey : What do you mean? links perhaps?
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17:58<IRCMonkey>kop: among other things: links, yes
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17:59<IRCMonkey>There is a good feature with vimperator for that
17:59<IRCMonkey>you type 'f' or 'F' or ';'
17:59<IRCMonkey>but it doesn't work for instance on 'graphviz' web site..
18:00<kop>IRCMonkey : (And emacs of course. :-)
18:00<IRCMonkey>kop: could we have a good enough web browser under emacs
18:01<kop>IRCMonkey : Emacs does everything. But I tend to stick with links (preferred over lynx.)
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18:01<IRCMonkey>there is w3m but I can't actually use it (why? I don't know... You must have javascript and so one, maybe..)
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18:03<IRCMonkey>kop: could you do *only* with lynx?
18:04<IRCMonkey>I want to do without the mouse (without, without..) and not sometime being needing to use it
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18:04<kop>IRCMonkey : I do, but then I don't do web browsing from the console much at all. Only for emergencies. But I prefer links.
18:05<kop>!tell lolo -about es
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18:06<lolo>para que te vas
18:07<kop>!tell lolo -about br
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18:07<kop>!tell lolo -about es
18:07<joyfulgirl>IRCMonkey: I recommend w3m. You said you were having problems with it, though?
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18:13<file-exists-p>apt-get uses /tmp, which on my machine is tiny (a virtual server on a machine at work). How can I tell apt-get to use another directory as temporary directory ?
18:13<file-exists-p>(hi everybody)
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18:15<ed__>I found 1.0% bad blocks in my Debian partition - is that bad?
18:15<ed__>Cause I want to go whiny at Dell so I can get a refund and a new computer.
18:16<kop>file-exists-p: Probably something in /etc/apt/. Try 'man apt'.
18:17<muhkuh>hi there i cant play the film only the titlemenu have that libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_ tried o mplayer/ oxine / vlc/ totemwhat do u need to know
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18:17<kop>ed__: Dunno. It might be bad blocks where (somehow!) the filesystem got corrupted. Not necessarly bad disk blocks. Let's see....
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18:18<file-exists-p>ed a new computer with 1% bad blocks ?!
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18:18<ed__>5 months old, roughly.
18:18<ed__>though i've been changing my OS about as often as i change my underwear.
18:18<file-exists-p>dunno if there are standard like the dead pixels
18:18<file-exists-p>that should not matter
18:18<ed__>mainly cause linux has been unstable but i've wanted to try it so much
18:18<sorry_>гигтег ащкумук
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18:19<file-exists-p>vista must be wearing up the hd more than all your linux installaction
18:19<sorry_>гигтег ащкумук
18:19<file-exists-p>sorry you look like a big bug buddy
18:19<sorry_>ubuntu forever
18:19<kop>ed__ :Try the smartmontools package. It's supposed to tell you what the drive thinks about whether it's going to die.
18:19<kop>!tell sorry_ -about ru
18:20<muhkuh>what will need to watch en encrypted DVD besides libdvdcss
18:20<sorry_>ubuntu > debian or debian>ubuntu
18:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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18:21<kop>sorry_ : Here, people will say that debian is more stable than ubuntu, even the testing version. Everybody everywhere seems to agree that debian stable is more stable than about anything, including ubuntu.
18:22<sorry_>>dpkg< thanks for links
18:22<kop>sorry_ : Because ubuntu is different from debian, so we don't have answers (and if we did we'd give them on #ubuntu.)
18:22<file-exists-p>sorry r u asking the question because you have to make a choice or is it rhetorical ?
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18:22<ed__>Which command do i run for smartmontools?
18:22<ed__>To check my HDD?
18:22<muhkuh>i wanna watch solent hill :_(
18:22<file-exists-p>sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count
18:23<file-exists-p>I have a laptop and concerns about it :/
18:23<kop>ed__ : You do 'aptitude install smartmontools' to install it first.
18:23<ed__>with synaptic
18:23<kop>ed__ : ok.
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18:23<ed__>i mean which command do i type to run smartmontools?
18:24<kop>ed__ : It's the smartctl command. 'man smartctl' has some examples.
18:25<kop>ed__ : (I always use 'dpkg -L smartmontools' or the equalivent, to find out what commands/manual pages/etc are installed in a given package.
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18:25<kop>ed__: It's also always good idea to read /usr/share/doc/yourpackagename/README.Debian
18:25<ed__>bash: smartctl: command not found
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18:26<kop>ed__ : You _might_ have to be root. (useing "su -", don't forget the -)
18:27<ed__>I ran it as root.
18:27<ed__>oh no...
18:27<ed__>perhaps i didn't
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18:31<ed__>I see the words 'Old Age' and 'Pre-fail' a lot.
18:31<myki>Hello. Is there a simple way to capture the sound I'm hearing in my headphones? (i.e. not line in or microphone)
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18:37<raziel>hello! Is there a way so i can make my audigy 2 work in etch?
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18:38<ed__>I have a nasty looking smartmontools report - could this be to do with me repartitioning my hard disk extremely foten?
18:38<HennaX>raziel: ISA, ISA Plug & Play or PCI?
18:38<ed__>raziel: I yhave the same rpoblem.
18:39<file-exists-p>okay I can not find the configuration file to tell apt-get not to use /tmp
18:39<file-exists-p>that's a f****** nightmare
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18:39<raziel>me lovely etch doesnt seem to see audigy at all
18:40<ed__>Mine did.
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18:42<witte>raziel: does it show in lspci?
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18:43<witte>raziel: and an audigy is a sound card, right?
18:43<raziel>lspci shows it
18:44<raziel>and yes it is a soundcard
18:45<raziel>02:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
18:45<raziel>02:05.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy Game Port (rev 04)
18:45<raziel>02:05.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 04)
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18:46<witte>raziel: ok install alsa-utils, and run alsaconf
18:46<HennaX>raziel: did you try to install alsa-base alsa-utils and run "alsaconf" yet?
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18:46<raziel>ill check it right now
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18:47<kristian>hi an alle
18:47<chealer>myki: not really, but it should be possible...
18:48<kristian>hi to all
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18:54<raziel>i run alsaconf and configured audigy as the default sound card but still no sound neither on vlc, mplayer or amarok
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18:55<dmg>i just installed Debian and my nvidia driver that i downloaded wich is .run file wont exec
18:56<dmg>any one know why?
18:56<raziel>neither xine and xmms
18:56<sco50000>how do i disable IPv6 completely?
18:57<witte>raziel: can you open alsamixer and confirm that the settings aren't muted (somethimes default setting is muted)
18:57<sco50000>i want to remove all IPv6 stuff from my computer
18:57<witte>raziel: another possible solution could be to disable the onboard sound in the bios
18:58<raziel>witte: how do i know in alsamixer that is muted?
18:58<N3RXS>anyone know how to fix the wallpaper module in ubuntu 7.10 when I click add to browse for pictures I get a white box and that's it
18:58<chealer>!tell dmg about nvidia-installer
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18:59<chealer>dmg: which Debian suite did you install?
18:59<dmg>chealer: im not sure i just got it with netinstall
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19:00<dmg>im realy new too linux too
19:00<chealer>N3RXS: this is a Debian support channel. ask your vendor.
19:00<raziel>witte: i ve raised the bars to the top
19:00<chealer>dmg: from which URL did you download the iso?
19:00<N3RXS>sry I figured it was a standard gnome question
19:00<chealer>N3RXS: then ask #gnome
19:01<N3RXS>join #gnome
19:01<dmg>chealer: i left the URL blank cause i didnt know wich one was it so i guess it was automatic
19:02<dmg>oh one sec
19:02<raziel>witte: and in volume control all looks good
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19:04<witte>raziel: ok, somethimes the bars are all down
19:04<chealer>dmg: the links are all broken. i386 is your Debian architecture.
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19:05<chealer>raziel: does Linux 2.6.18 support your card? which desktop environment do you use?
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19:06<raziel>i am with gnome2.14.3 and uname
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19:06<chealer>dmg: that suggests you got stable, but there's a link to a page with testing images. you didn't click that, right?
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19:06<ivomagalhaes>hello guys
19:06<raziel>and 2.6.18-5-686
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19:07<dmg>chealer: no
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19:07<ivomagalhaes>i use ubuntu 7.10 and i be happy with this program
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19:07<witte>ivomagalhaes: good for you, but this is #debian, not #ubuntu
19:08<chealer>dmg: assuming you're using stable, just follow dpkg's suggestions.
19:08<hate29>Hi, is there a reason why my pc almost freezes when I copy a dvd or transfer files from cd/dvd to my hd? Even cursor doesn't go smoothly like normally. I have 3,2 ghz P4 and 1024 ram.
19:09<dmg>debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso wich 159mb
19:09<ivomagalhaes>debian=ubuntu package?
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19:09<dmg>thats what i got
19:09<dmg>is dpkg a bot?
19:09*SeveredCross smells a troll.
19:09<SeveredCross>dmg: Yes.
19:09<chealer>dmg: OK, that's stable. yes.
19:09<lontra>ivomagalhaes: debian = ubuntu's daddy
19:09<dmg>i dont know how to work with bots
19:10<lontra>ubuntu is for those who are afraid of the dark
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19:11<dpkg>i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead.
19:11<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
19:11<witte>hate29: is dma enabled on your hd?
19:11<dpkg>methinks dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
19:11<hate29>witte: how to find out?
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19:12<dpkg>i guess hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :)
19:12<witte>hate29: ^^
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19:13<witte>hate29: the webpage mentioned should help you started
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19:14<witte>hate29: and no, it is not normal that your system goes slow when writing a dvd
19:14<witte>hate29: i have written dvd's on a P2 450 MHz
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19:15<hate29>witte: I thought so too.. I just try and experiment
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19:16<dmg>is there add/remove tool in debian?
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19:17<witte>dmg: apt-get or aptitude?
19:17<dmg>for program/files?
19:17<chealer>dmg: if you're thinking about adept-installer, yes.
19:17<hate29>witte: Have you tried hdparm? I mean, how safe it is?
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19:18<witte>hate29: depends, as long as you stick to checking the disk, setting dma and things, it is very safe in my experience
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19:18<witte>hate29: if you try to get the most out of your disk, i think you could go to far
19:18<dmg>is the server for debian
19:19<witte>hate29: but the most tutorials on hdparm what is save or what could be dangerous (and you should trust them more than me :-))
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19:19<dmg>im on ubuntu cause i didnt know the addres to get here
19:19<hate29>Witte: Ok. I just make safe settings that speed up things enough
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19:20<chealer>dmg: is an alias to Debian IRC clients should have it already, at least for konversation.
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19:23<witte>hate29: I also never used it for anything more advanced. I am not sure that the hard disk is the real limiting factor, but i wonder what else it could be
19:23<witte>hate29: you could also try to use an other burning program, or check the output of top while burning, to see which program is taking up so much cpu
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19:24<hate29>witte: Even if I copy data FROM cd/dvd it slows down whole computer, so it's not problem with software.
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19:25<witte>hate29: is it specifically with your cd/dvd drive, or also when you copy large quantities on you hard disk?
19:26<witte>hate29: could it be that the lens of your player is dirty, or that your drive is not connected very well (bad contact or something)
19:27<hate29>witte: Only from cd/dvd drive, and tested another drive which worked as badly
19:27<witte>hate29: only on linux?
19:28<hate29>Witte: I only have linux
19:28<hate29>witte: few years ago I had xp and it worked fine
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19:31<SeveredCross>dmg: There's also gnome-app-installer I think.
19:31<witte>hate29: yeah, i only have linux as well. I would say, check the chain of possible things that could be the cause one by one, and try to find the slow one :-)
19:31<SeveredCross>Sounds like IRQ issues.
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19:32<SeveredCross>gnome-app-install, sorry.
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19:34<penguin42>does anyone keep track of file sizes etc between versions?
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19:34<penguin42>I just did a rather nice graph of some of them - the growth in 'true' and 'ls' over 10 years is rather scary:
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19:36<witte>penguin42: you should multiply with euro/GB
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19:36<penguin42>witte: Don't you mean euro/byte ?
19:36<witte>penguin42: in your graph, yes :-)
19:36<witte>or rather bit
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19:37<witte>seconds since epoch? :-)
19:37<penguin42>witte: I did think about relative to Moore's law - I think it's growing slower than that; but I bet it is growing faster than RAM bandwidth or disc bandwidth
19:37<witte>penguin42: there is also a law on software
19:37<penguin42>witte: Yeh, it was the easiest thing I could get into the graph stuff from a 'stat'
19:38<witte>software is like a gas, it fills up the available space
19:38<penguin42>ah yes
19:38<penguin42>witte: /bin/true is kind of fun - at first it was a 395byte shell script; it's currently 22k
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19:39<witte>with that in mind, i think debian is doing rather ok, (but you are right concerning /bin/true
19:39<penguin42>witte: It's concerning if the simplest stuff is growing that much
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19:41<witte>penguin42: yeah, you have a point there, but i never put much attention to file sizes
19:42<dmg>how do i install this file ?
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19:43<leeds>can anyone tell me why i cant watch live footy on peercast please
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19:47<dmg>my debian is not runing stable it looks like i need to install grahic drivers ect
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19:47<dmg>can some one help me out ?
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19:50<izo>hello there
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20:03<sco50000>how do i remove all ipv6 support from my debian install
20:05<lupine_85>sco50000: modprobe -r ipv6
20:05<lupine_85>shoul do it
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20:05<sco50000>lupine_85: thanks
20:05<lupine_85>should*. For a permanent solution, blacklist
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20:07<tekin>iyi geceler
20:08<tekin>burası türkçe mi acaba
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20:09<sco50000>lupine_85: FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
20:09<lupine_85>you'd need to ifdown -a first
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20:10<tekin>arkadaşlar bana LYX hakkında yardımcı olacak var mı?
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20:22<ed__> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
20:24<ed__>ok so how do i tell what version of debian i am running?
20:25<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
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20:25<knoppix_>looking for a easy to setup mail server??
20:25-!-knoppix_ is now known as Guest712
20:25<ed__>Maulkin, thank
20:26<Maulkin>Guest712: on Debian, or knoppix?
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20:26<amphi>Guest712: postfix perhaps
20:26<Guest712>sorry i'm new knoppix i guess live cd
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20:27<Guest712>is postfix fairly easy?
20:27<amphi>Guest712: have a read of
20:27<Guest712>k thanks
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20:30<izo>apache2 & mod_mysql is mod_mysql is missing there any way to skip apache recompilation
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20:51<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
20:51<dpkg>from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
20:51<dmg>how do you talk to the bot ?
20:51<lupine_85>"!" is your friend
20:51<dmg>!nvidia install
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20:52<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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21:05<dmg>how do i go to root in my terminal?
21:06<lupine_85>su or sudo
21:06<Christmas>type su
21:09<dmg>file:///home/dmg/Desktop/ im trying to install this file and i cant figure it out
21:09<dmg>can some one help me ?
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21:09<lupine_85>you, um, probably don't want to do that
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21:09<dmg>how do i install the drivers then ?
21:09<lupine_85>are you on etch? lenny? what's your kernel version?
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21:10<dmg>thats the problem i dont have a clue im quite new to linux
21:10<Christmas>you have to stop x, type alt+ctrl+f1 to get into shell then stop x with /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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21:10<Christmas>as root
21:10<lupine_85>dmg: "uname -r" in a terminal will give you the kernel version
21:10<dmg>how do i check ?
21:10<Christmas>to get back type alt+f7
21:10<Christmas>alt+7 i mean
21:11<lupine_85>if you can get away with using the drivers in the Debian repository, you should. The nvidia installer subtly breaks all sorts
21:11<dmg>uname -r says 2.6.18-5-486
21:11<Christmas>that's etch
21:11<Christmas>i think you can install nvidia-glx in etch
21:12<lupine_85>dmg: and do you know what graphics card you have?
21:12<dmg>how do i do that ?
21:12<Christmas>apt-get install nvidia-glx
21:12<dmg>lupine_85: i know
21:12<dmg>GF 6
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21:12<lupine_85>that'll be supported by the drivers in etch
21:12<Christmas>then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and replace "nv" with "nvidia"
21:12<njubi____>Hi @ all
21:13<lupine_85>so you'll need to enable non-free, install nvidia-glx and do as Christmas says
21:13<Christmas>you have to be root to do those things
21:13<njubi____>Where can I find a Debian-Package with Firefox 1.5 for Deb Etch?
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21:14<dmg>how do i enable non free?
21:14<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
21:14<Christmas>edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free at those repos
21:14<lupine_85>!non-free sources
21:14<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
21:14<lupine_85>synaptic/adept offer a GUI front end for doing it too, but it's easier to do it in the command line
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21:15<Christmas>to edit a text file just type nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:15<dmg>guys im realy new can you tell me what i need to type?
21:15<Christmas>save with ^O and close with ^X
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21:15<Christmas>^ is CTRL
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21:16<njubi____>@ dmg: go into the shell, switch to root and type cd..(return) cd .. (return) gedit etc/apt/sources.list
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21:17<dmg>when you say shell what do you mean ?
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21:19<lupine_85>1: don't run gui apps as root if you can help it; if you need to, then gksu or gksudo is the way to go. 2: gksu /etc/apt/sources.list is far more likely to work than cd .. \n cd ..; 3: a shell is not a terminal
21:19<njubi____>sry i thought its equal
21:19<dmg>njubi____: can you tell me exacly the line i need to type?
21:20<njubi____>lupine is better than me, maybe he can
21:20<lupine_85>njubi____: you run a shell (such as zsh or bash) inside a terminal (such as xterrm or konsole) in order to get a CLI
21:20<lupine_85>dmg: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:20<lupine_85>that'll get you a typical editor interface
21:21<lupine_85>append " contrib non-free" to every line that starts with "deb "
21:21<njubi____>so nano is better than gedit because its not on the X?
21:21<lupine_85>not necessarily better. Simpler, certainly
21:21<njubi____>Anybody an idea Where I can find a Debian-Package with Firefox 1.5 for Deb Etch?
21:22<dmg>lupine_85: i got the list what do i do next?
21:22<lupine_85>once you've made the changes (which you do in the normal fashion), ctrl+o <return> to save; then ctrl+x to exit
21:22<lupine_85>then run apt-get update; then apt-get install nvidia-glx
21:23<lupine_85>it might seem like a pain to set up now, but once you're done, you'll never have to worry about the driver setup again
21:24<lupine_85>whereas if you use the installer, you can guarantee that one day you'll reboot and be left without a gui
21:24<dmg>lupine_85: so that list thingy made the changes?
21:24<lupine_85>if you ran nano /etc/apt/sources.list, you should be at an editor interface
21:24<dmg>i am
21:24<njubi____>i think he is
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21:24<lupine_85>so make the changes. you have arrow keys, alphanumeric keys and a caret
21:26<Christmas>add non-free after where it says "main contrib"
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21:27<dmg>i have 4 of them i add non-free to all?
21:27<dmg>actualy 2
21:27<Christmas>not at security
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21:29<blal>I just purchased and installed a SATA drive. I'm used to IDE drives. Bottom line it for me: do I basically just use /dev/sda? (/dev/sda is the only /dev/sd* file that exists.)
21:30<lupine_85>blal: yep
21:30<blal>lupine_85 : Rad.
21:30<lupine_85>there's no real difference except that
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21:30<lupine_85>well, that and faster speed and cooler cables :D
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21:31<blal>lupine_85 : I'd accept either word.
21:31<Christmas>sata cables are cool indeed :-)
21:31<lupine_85>they're all red and stuff
21:31<Christmas>compared to ide
21:31<lupine_85>although I dislike the ease with which they pop out
21:31<blal>Yeah. And they sort of slide on.
21:31<dmg> i typed non-free after main contrib
21:31*SeveredCross sighs.
21:31<dmg>is that how yo do it ?
21:31<Christmas>dmg now save with ctrl+O
21:31<lupine_85>dmg: yep
21:31<SeveredCross>I have to downgrade xserver-core to use fglrx. That makes me slightly sad.
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21:32*lupine_85 will be dumping his one remaining IDE drive for a new sata one in a few days
21:32<dmg>ctrl + O and close it ?
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21:32<Christmas>ctrl+O, enter, CTRL+X
21:32<blal>Prices are coming down. I don't consider myself a power shopper and found a 500GB drive for $120 or so, retail.
21:32<lupine_85>then I'll be up to 750GB of hard drive space
21:33<dmg>ok done
21:33<Christmas>now apt-get update
21:33<lupine_85>blal: the 500GB one I just bought worked out at £57.50 with P&P
21:33<lupine_85>16MB cache, 7200RPM
21:34<dmg>ok got all the updates whats next?
21:34<Christmas>i have an old ide at 160gb
21:34<Christmas>now type 'apt-get install nvidia-glx'
21:34<blal>lupine_85 : *converts BPS to USD*
21:34<lupine_85>what is the rate these days?
21:34<blal>GBP, sorry
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21:35<lupine_85>last I checked, it was a bit over 2:1
21:35<blal>Wow, $80.
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21:35<lupine_85>the P&P /was/ £7.50
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21:35<Christmas>yeah it's around 2:1
21:35<lupine_85>in actuality, it was free, as I'd just sold a bunch of models
21:36<dmg> Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
21:36<blal>lupine_85 : 1.98030, according to You were right on.
21:36<lupine_85>so had spare money sat in my paypal account :p
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21:36<Christmas>something you did wrong
21:36<blal>The USD is taking quite a beating. Bush fscked us on so many levels. So badly...
21:37<lupine_85>blal: switch to using silver as your reserve. It's much better
21:37<Christmas>ok just get into command line and install that bash script of yours
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21:37<lupine_85>dmg: pastebin your sources.list
21:37<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:37<Christmas>but stop the x server first
21:37<lupine_85>Christmas: are you going to support it /when/ it breaks ?
21:37<lupine_85>!nvidia installer
21:37<dpkg>hmm... nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead.
21:37<Christmas>why would it break?
21:38<lupine_85>where to start
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21:38<lupine_85>upgrade X, the kernel or opengl... it'll break
21:38<Christmas>if some update occurs he will install the binary again
21:38<lupine_85>after being thrown to a terminal s/he obviously doesn't know how to use
21:38<blal>Will anything bad (meaning sub-optimal) happen if I simply run mke2fs /dev/sda? Or should I more thoughtfully consider parameters such as block size, # of inodes, etc.?
21:38<lupine_85>blal: ideally, you'll parition it first
21:38<lupine_85>even if it's just one big partition
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21:39<blal>lupine_85 : Ah. ok, cfdisk /dev/sda && mke2fs /dev/sda.
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21:39<lupine_85>well, it'd be sda1 theb#
21:39<lupine_85>also, you might want to use ext3 rather than ext2
21:39<dmg>can i find this file some where in synaptic package menager?
21:40<blal>lupine_85 : Right. I promise those are just typos and that I've done partitioning/mkfs'ing before. :-D
21:40<Christmas>just copy the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin
21:40<Christmas>open it with gedit or whatever editor
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21:41<dmg>Christmas: how do i do that ?
21:41<blal>lupine_85 : Ok, here it goes... cfdisk /dev/sda && mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 TADA!
21:42<Christmas>dmg you can type "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" or open nautilus, go to /etc/apt and open sources.list with gedit or another text editor
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21:42<Christmas>are you using gnome or kde?
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21:43<dmg>how do i check ?
21:43<Christmas>do you have a K as the menu or do you have a panel in the upper area of your desktop
21:43<lupine_85>do you have a big 'K' or a big foot ?
21:43<Christmas>yeah, a foot :)
21:44<dmg>i have fot
21:44<Christmas>a gnome foot :-)
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21:44<Christmas>good, let's start over by installing KDE :D
21:44<Christmas>just kidding
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21:45<blal>xfce4 forever!!!
21:45<blal>fsck bloated crap.
21:45<dmg>what do i do ?
21:45<Christmas>just paste the contents of your sources.list file
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21:45<dmg> While connecting to session manager:
21:45<dmg>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
21:45<Christmas>not as root
21:46<Christmas>type exit
21:46<Christmas>and open as normal user, you only have to access the file read-only
21:46<Christmas>and copy the contents in the pastebin
21:46<Christmas>then show us the link they provide
21:46<dmg># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080103-00:44]/ etch contrib main
21:46<dmg>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080103-00:44]/ etch contrib main
21:46<dmg>deb etch main
21:46<dmg>deb-src etch main
21:46<dmg>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
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21:47<lupine_85>dmg: a pastebin, not the channel
21:47<lupine_85>but congratulations
21:47<dmg>i disconnected
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21:47<lupine_85>you somehow managed to do exactly the opposite to what you were told :p
21:47<Christmas>remove non-free from that line
21:47<Christmas>and put it on the line with 'deb etch main'
21:47<lupine_85>add " contrib non-free" to line 3
21:48<lupine_85>(don't forget to be root)
21:48<dmg>to line 3?
21:49<dmg>wheres line 3
21:49<Christmas>line 3 is the third line...
21:49<Christmas>counting from top or bottom :)
21:50<dmg>deb etch main
21:50<Christmas>yes yes that one
21:50<dmg>is that line 3 ?
21:51<lupine_85>could be line III, or tres, or 三
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21:51<dmg>do i need to remove non-free from the others
21:51<Christmas>from last line
21:51<Christmas>you didn't forget to edit it as root, right?
21:52<dmg>Christmas: you told me to type gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:52<dmg>window poped up
21:53<dmg>with the list
21:53<Christmas>close it and edit it again with nano...
21:53<Christmas>as root
21:53<Christmas>you really need to do some reading, at least the basics
21:53<Christmas>files outside /home/your_user are read-only
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21:53<Christmas>you must edit them as root
21:54<dmg>its easy for you to say
21:54<dmg>i bet you guys were all just like me at one time
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21:54<dmg>su for root?
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21:54<Christmas>it stands for super user do :)
21:55<Christmas>super user pardon me
21:55<Christmas>sudo is superuser do
21:55<dmg>ok im in root now
21:55<dmg>i typed gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:55<dmg>right ?
21:56<Christmas>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:56<Mahalo>Awesome, this is exactly what I was doing earlier. Getting your apt-get together dmg?
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21:57<lupine_85>the learning curve with linux is pretty steep to begin with
21:57<SeveredCross>Whoot, fglrx works.
21:57<SeveredCross>And TV-out works.
21:58<dmg>ok im there
21:58<Mahalo>Yup, but there is a lot of help available as long as you do some footwork!
21:58<Christmas>do what we told you to do
21:58<Christmas>remove non-free and add it on the third line
21:58<dmg>Christmas: do i add non-free after etch main?
21:58<Mahalo>I'm brand new...having new problems every day, but I am getting it together and I'm more comfortable every hour of research I do!
21:59<Christmas>Mahalo i remember the first time
21:59<dmg>Ctrl+O Enter Ctrl +x?
21:59<Christmas>i was asking for help on a forum and they told me to give some commands
21:59<Christmas>and i was typing them in the 'run' dialog instead of terminal
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21:59<dmg>ok done
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22:00<Christmas>now apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-glx
22:00<dmg>do i need to exit root?
22:01<Christmas>to install software using apt you have to be root
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22:02<dmg>told me some packages could not be installed
22:02<dmg>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
22:02<dmg> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776
22:03<lupine_85>bah, they didn't precompile it? ok, apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant
22:03<karatorian>I installed 4.0r1 on a friend of mine's box and the joystick devices (js*) aren't showing up. I've manually inserted the required modules, and the kernel seems to find the gameports. When I watch udev's actions using 'udevmonitor --env', it seems that no MAJOR or MINOR information is being passed to it, so it doesn't created the device nodes. Does anyone know how to fix this?
22:03<lupine_85>then m-a a-i nvidia
22:03<Christmas>yeah do what lupine_85 said
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22:04<dmg>it asked me for debian CD
22:05<dmg>its loading bunch a things now
22:05<Christmas>remove that line in sources.list
22:05<Christmas>the first two lines
22:05<lupine_85>or put the CD in ;)
22:05<Christmas>so it can fetch the packages directly from the repos
22:05<Christmas>yes, if you have it
22:05<dmg>i did put the cd in and its done
22:05<dmg>now what ?
22:06<lupine_85>did you run "m-a a-i nvidia" ?
22:06<dmg>apt-get install nvidia-glx
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22:06<lupine_85>yep, after m-a a-i nvidia
22:06<dmg>lupine_85: no
22:07<dmg>m-a a-i nvidia runing this one now
22:07<dmg>is good to see that things are actualy loading
22:07<dmg>it says building nvidia kernel
22:07<Mahalo>Wahoo! Good for you...I'm still trying to get java set up!
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22:08<dmg>ok its all done but when i tried apt-get install nvidia-glx i get broken package
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22:09<Mahalo> What email client do you use Christmas? Evolution?
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22:09<Christmas>no client
22:09<Christmas>i use yahoo and i think it uses an unsupported protocol
22:10<Christmas>i'd use kmail if i had to
22:10<lupine_85>dmg: does it say which package, or why?
22:10<dmg>alright guys thank you very much for the help n friends came over and looks like party is forming i'll catch you all tomorow
22:10<Mahalo>no client? Gotcha...dang, I have a few domains and Evolution was crashing on me every time I tried to check/send...trying to work out problems with it but no big deal.
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22:10<dmg>thank you very much again hopfully i'll get it working tomorow
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22:11<Mahalo>C-ya, good luck!
22:11<dipu>hi .. i am using debian etch on SONY VAIO VGNFE780G ... but my laptop touchpad does not work .. any help ??
22:12<Mahalo>Sorry dipu...did you check forums? I'm a noob so I'm just reading ans watching as people help others.
22:13<dipu>hi Mahalo which forum i can check
22:14<Mahalo>Hold tight and I'll get you some URLs
22:14<Christmas>also help, tons of info there
22:14<Mahalo>That is a main one, too
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22:14<blal>Lemmie know if something like this exists. I'd like to organize a collection of media files. Normally, I'd do something like put all the mp3's under a "music" directory; then per-artist dirs; then per-alblum dirs; then number them. (continued)
22:14<Mahalo>Sometimes it is a pain in the butt...but people expect you to have at least RTFM'd before asking...
22:15<Christmas>blal you mean an audio player with a collection?
22:15<dipu>thanks Mahalo and Christmas i will check the forums
22:16<Christmas>i use amarok and it rocks and my music collection is organized like artist_dir/album_year_dir/track*.ogg
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22:16<Christmas>so if i have the wall by pink floyd it would be pink_floyd/1979a/track*.ogg
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22:17<blal>...I'd like to tag each media file with several attributes and be able to browse the file collection several ways. So "cd music/classical/Bach" would take me to a directory with all of Bach's work, including pipe organ, etrings, etc. Or "cd audio/classical/strings" to get me to a directory containing Bach's music for strings, plus other componsers. I'm looking for multi-dimensional views of file collections.
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22:18<blal>Christmas : It's helpful if this wouldn't be restricted to audio. I'd like something that can generically handle files by attaching user-defined atributes.
22:19<Christmas>so you want to mix audio files with video ones?
22:19<blal>The ideal is if there is some kind of perverse filesystem type that was query-driven; so files in a directory are the result of a query.
22:19<Christmas>i don't get you
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22:19<blal>Christmas : I don't want to be stuck using a GUI to find all files that meet certain criteria.
22:20<Christmas>you don't
22:20<Christmas>not necessarily
22:20<blal>Christmas : I'm listening.
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22:21<Mahalo>Crud...a limewire install has hosed is half there and half not there and I didn't apt-get it...
22:22<Supaplex>cool. you get to keep all the broken pieces!
22:22<Christmas>blal just an idea, you could use symbolic links maybe?
22:22<Christmas>but not sure
22:22<Mahalo>nice...I'm checking it out now :P
22:22<Christmas>so you have all your files in one place organized the way you want music/classical/bach
22:22<blal>Christmas : Precisely what I envisioned, but you'd pretty much need a database-driven daemon to manage the links.
22:23<Christmas>and audio/classical/strings would have links to works of bach and so on
22:23<blal>Christmas : That's right.
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22:24<Christmas>i need to smoke one
22:24<blal>Christmas : Yep, I think I'll have to write this one.
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22:24<Christmas>well good luck :)
22:24<Mahalo>Speaking of writing database stuff...I just read that Sun bought MySQL.
22:25<blal>Mahalo : Oh shit.
22:26<blal>THey're getting big into open source/freeware. I hope they don't acquire all the good tools and suddenly say they're going to start charging.
22:26<Mahalo>Yeah, make MySQL costly like Oracle...
22:26<Mahalo>and Solaris
22:26<blal>I guess we can always fork.
22:27<Mahalo>sql I mean
22:27<dpkg>somebody said postgres was better than MySQL!, or short for postgresql
22:27<blal>Mahalo : Hm. I don't think Sun owns any database products.
22:27<blal>flame war
22:27<Supaplex>!start a dbms war
22:27<dpkg>sleepy cat db is the slowest dbms since last week!
22:27<Mahalo>Not till now...they are breaking into it as far as I know
22:28<Mahalo>Don't know that one...what does it run on?
22:28<blal>That smack talk was straight out of a child-oriented sitcom.
22:29<blal>Mahalo : The thing that creeps me out is that I don't think anybody has to buy it. Right? I mean, they can just rename it and keep the source open, like they did with Apache Derby -> Sun Java Database.
22:29<blal>!start a dbms war
22:29<dpkg>flat text files is the most confounded dbms since yesterday!
22:30<blal>flat text files are rad.
22:30<blal>!start a window manager war
22:30<dpkg>enlightenment sucks!
22:30<Mahalo>Let me see what the article says, brb
22:30<blal>Oh this is fun.
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22:30<blal>Oh this is fun.
22:30<blal>!start a window manager war
22:30<dpkg>metacity sucks!
22:30<blal>!start a window manager war
22:30<GhostlyDeath>!start a distro war
22:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
22:31<blal>Barnes & Noble has a section of Ubuntu-specific books.
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22:31<GhostlyDeath>Soon people will write Ubuntu viruses
22:31<mzhang>why my sshd only works after I restart it but not right after boot time?
22:32<Mahalo>Dang, tons of stories on a news search for sun + mysql...
22:32<blal>lol @ Ubuntu virii
22:32<lupine_85>mzhang: are you bringing ssh up before networking ?
22:32<Supaplex>mzhang: because it wasn't configured to start. see update-rc.d
22:32<lupine_85>GhostlyDeath: they'll fail, like any other linux virus
22:32<Supaplex>or maybe you're using a bridge
22:32<Mahalo>1 BILLION dollars
22:32<blal>kewl (re: sun & mysql)
22:32<Christmas>GhostlyDeath the problem is that they'll also affect debian :)
22:33<GhostlyDeath>a dumb user would probably execute it
22:33<lupine_85>and it would do precisely nothing
22:33<lupine_85>unless they were stupid enough to give it root privs
22:33<lupine_85>but then it wouldn't spread very well
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22:33<mzhang>Supaplex: it's in /etc/rc*.d, plus I saw "Starting Secure Shell ..." at (the end of) boot screen.
22:33<Christmas>any script with some rm command in it can be malicious
22:34<Christmas>so it would be like on windows... don't run it unless it's from a trusted source
22:34<Supaplex>mzhang: see dmesg or /var/log/syslog
22:34<lupine_85>yeah, but for it to be a viable virus it has to spread and maintain a population in the wild
22:34<mzhang>lupine_85: how should I check? it's among the last few lines in the boot screen so it is unlikely.
22:34<Mahalo>Called the largest open-source software deal ever, the merger makes Sun the owner of a critical part of the popular LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL Perl/Python/PHP) open-source software stack. Sun already has been offering up its own software to open source, even basing its development tools strategy on the open source NetBeans platform
22:34<GhostlyDeath>Download and use dpkg -i ubuntuvirus-0.1.0-i386.deb
22:34<blal>lupine_85 : All it takes is one bad policy decision on Ubuntu's part to leave a stock system vulnerable.
22:34<Supaplex>Christmas: shred on raw disks would be painful
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22:34<lupine_85>blal: a bad policy decision such as...?
22:35<lupine_85>all I can think of is no-password access to root by default
22:35<Supaplex>like sudo?
22:35<lupine_85>still needs a password
22:35<Christmas>yes but how to install software in that case?
22:35<Supaplex>what if they're dumb enough to accept it
22:35<blal>GhostlyDeath : lol
22:35<lupine_85>then a few hundred users get trashed
22:35<lupine_85>you won't see widespread acceptance of such a thing
22:36<Christmas>something like /home/user/usr :)
22:36<blal>GhostlyDeath : Nothing but four short lines of HTML at that URL.
22:36<lupine_85>viruses for linux have been written before, and they just don't spread in the wild
22:36<Christmas>that's because most linux users won't get any viruses on windows either
22:36<Christmas>they know how to avoid them
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22:37<lupine_85>linux makes it /easier/ to avoid them
22:37<Mahalo>true that
22:37<lupine_85>and not just by obscurity
22:37<blal>lupine_85 : Yep. Linux is immune to the kind of damage you're talking about. I'm not talking about a "wide-spread, dangerous Ubuntu virus", just a way to take advantage of uneducated users to spread to other boxen.
22:37<GhostlyDeath>WINE infected windows EXEs
22:37<lupine_85>GhostlyDeath: it's been tried
22:37<lupine_85>it didn't work
22:37<lupine_85>again, people tend not to run wine as root
22:38<Christmas>GhostlyDeath the worst i got with wine was a bunch of exe files copied somewhere in a directory
22:38<lupine_85>if they do... well. serves them right
22:38<blal>Christmas : How I wish that were true (re: linux users immune to Win virii)
22:38<Christmas>and i ran some key generator on purpose
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22:39<Christmas>i read some threads about this and reached the conclusion that it
22:39<Christmas>'s not safe if the user is dumb
22:39<Christmas>no matter what os you use
22:40<Christmas>as long as there is root access and the user runs commands without thinking he's fried
22:40<lupine_85>but it's /safer/ if the dumb user runs linux, after controlling for infection opportunity
22:40<Christmas>it is if he runs as normal user
22:40*Supaplex wonders how ot this really is ... and wonder off to house chores
22:40<Christmas>but if he does the already well known command rm -rf / ?
22:40<Christmas>as root
22:41<blal>Time to type in a long-ass passphrase for cryptoloop.
22:41<lupine_85>that's /not/ a virus
22:41<Christmas>could be worst than windows
22:41<lupine_85>windows is starting to get there with Administrator, anyway
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22:41<Christmas>the fact is, at least on linux you can troubleshoot these without the need of an antivirus
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22:41<lupine_85>an individual system, or few hundred systems, getting hosed isn't an issue either way. It's the /spread/ that's important
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22:42<Mahalo>bbl you guys. Gonna crash again with freaking evolution mail...
22:42<lupine_85>and it's harder for a virus to spread on linux than on windows. the infrastructure just isn't there
22:42<Christmas>for example if you are suspicious that some system command like mv or ls was replaced you can check with an md5 sum, right?
22:42<Christmas>on windows you scan with an antivirus, updated, and the virus is still there
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22:42<lupine_85>and if the virus hooks md5sum ?
22:42<Christmas>and you wonder what else can you do... without formatting everything :)
22:43<Christmas>well i didn't think of that :)
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22:43<lupine_85>any sensible linux virus would patch the kernel anyway
22:43<lupine_85>quite possibly the kernel source tree as well as the binary
22:43<lupine_85>and watch to spot compilations of new kernels to patch that set too
22:44<Christmas>then maybe some online checking would be useful
22:44<lupine_85>but that still doesn't solve the spread issue
22:44<Christmas>smth like apt-md5 check
22:44<Christmas>so it would report what packages were replaced
22:45<lupine_85>if you need (n) infected computers to maintain an infection, that requires (n) stupid users willing to run an arbitrary command as root/admin, who all have broadly similar systems
22:45<lupine_85>that's a lot easier to find with a windows ecosystem than a linux ecosystem
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22:45<Christmas>maybe, maybe not
22:46<blal>Build me the perfect safe, and I'll show you the perfect thief who can break into it. Overall, UNIX does a good job of keeping users out of places where they don't belong, making the OS inherently not as vulnerable to virii as certain hack-job OS'es.
22:46<Supaplex>not in this house. :P
22:46<Christmas>we don't have 90% market share so we really don't know for sure
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22:46<lupine_85>we can never really know for sure, but it's a reasonable assumption made from the available data
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22:48<karatorian>I installed 4.0r1 on a friend of mine's box and the joystick devices (js*) aren't showing up. I've manually inserted the required modules, and the kernel seems to find the gameports. When I watch udev's actions using 'udevmonitor --env', it seems that no MAJOR or MINOR information is being passed to it, so it doesn't created the device nodes. Does anyone know how to fix this?
22:50<Christmas>for what irc client is the /ignore command in the topic?
22:50<lupine_85>all of them?
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22:50<Christmas>/ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
22:50<GhostlyDeath>why mute join parts and quits?
22:50<Christmas>this one
22:51<Christmas>for irssi?
22:51<Christmas>GhostlyDeath so you can only see relevant messages
22:51<Christmas>i use it in xchat
22:51<GhostlyDeath>X-Chat GNOME!
22:51<Christmas>it's also called conference mode
22:51<GhostlyDeath>Who's a fellow GNOME user?
22:51<Christmas>i'm a kde
22:52*GhostlyDeath stops celebrating Christmas
22:52<Christmas>you know kde4 is out...
22:52*blal prefers xfce4.
22:52<GhostlyDeath>KDE never worked for me
22:52<lupine_85>yeah, it's a bit crap is kde4 right now
22:52<Christmas>it's more responsive for me
22:52<lupine_85>I'm waiting for kde 4.2
22:52<GhostlyDeath>and it was hard to figure out
22:52<Christmas>the interface i mean
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22:52<Christmas>in gnome the drawing of windows is very slow
22:53<lupine_85>mm, switching to Qt4 gives a speed boost
22:53<GhostlyDeath>QT is closed!
22:53<blal>Konversation. :-D
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22:53<lupine_85>and here was me thinking it was dual-licensed
22:53<lupine_85>well. as long as you have money to spare.
22:53<Christmas>qt free version is open source
22:54<GhostlyDeath>KDE uses that?
22:54<vook>KDE is qt
22:54<lupine_85>KDE uses qt
22:54<Christmas>i used konversation too but it has no events support in scripting
22:54<blal>Qt has left the building.
22:54<lupine_85>quite extensively, I believe
22:54<GhostlyDeath>Qt ?= qt?
22:54<lupine_85>yeah, it's all the same
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22:54<lupine_85>Qt != QT though
22:55<Christmas>no, it's case sensitive :)
22:55<vook>My favorite linux app is clit
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22:55<Supaplex>Qt is a play on words. they didn't want to name it FuglyT ;)
22:55<lupine_85>Christmas: better go have a go at the packagers then
22:55<GhostlyDeath>My favorite is prboom heh
22:55<Christmas>lupine_85 ?
22:56*vook begs for forgiveness
22:56<Christmas>btw, anyone tried amarok2 tech release?
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22:57<Supaplex>Christmas: is this a trick question?
22:57-!-sooperkuh [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:58<Christmas>why should it be?
22:58<Supaplex>is it a poll, or a plea for help? :)
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22:58<Christmas>Supaplex have a look:
22:58<GhostlyDeath>I'm a package whore
22:58-!-kurumin is now known as Curumim
22:58<GhostlyDeath>I installed almsot every package in games =P
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22:58<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: kinky. didn't that go out with the 70's ?
22:58<Supaplex>oh, that kind of package whore. my bad.
22:59<vook>GhostlyDeath: any favorites?
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22:59<GhostlyDeath>vook: there's this game where your like a ship in the place
22:59<GhostlyDeath>pretty awesome
23:00<GhostlyDeath>you move up in this random ocean with some islands
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23:00*Supaplex runs apt-get search pretty awesome game where your like a ship in the place
23:00<lupine_85>amarok2 is only for kde4 ?
23:00<GhostlyDeath>has rot in it I think
23:00<vook>GhostlyDeath: of course too, emulators linux has emulators abundant. Do you know the name ?
23:00<Christmas>today i discovered bygfoot, it's a gpl'd football manager
23:00<GhostlyDeath>whatever happened to those devbooks?
23:01<GhostlyDeath>had like Wx Doc, SDL Docs
23:02<vook>GhostlyDeath: I haven't gotten into a linux game since Wesnoth - it's really good. Of course, Moria and Nethack rule.
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23:02<GhostlyDeath>I like wesnoth, it's nice
23:02<Christmas>wesnoth is very very nice
23:02<blal>vook : I like Wesnoth.
23:02<vook>icmoria is nice
23:02<GhostlyDeath>but debians is out of date so i installed the latest
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23:02<blal>vook : Kinda easy to alter the campaigns to adjust the difficulty. ;-D
23:03<Christmas>you have to know some wml
23:03<vook>yeah - reminds me of the original "Ancient Art of War" with a hint of warcraft
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23:04<GhostlyDeath>awesome game
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23:05*vook installs rootage
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23:05<vook>ack - involved in a dist-upgrade...
23:06<GhostlyDeath>I think ill shrink the windows partition
23:06<GhostlyDeath>I barely use windows
23:06<Requiem>what's a good whole drive encryption program?
23:07<vook>Go 100% Linux ! ;) It's a nice feeling
23:07<Requiem>open source (obviously) no point in getting it if I can't be sure there are no backdoors
23:07<Supaplex>windows? What's that?
23:07<blal>ooh, get beneath-a-steel-sky
23:08<Requiem>windows: the godawful thing I'm paid to try and keep running
23:08<Requiem>steel-sky rules
23:08<Supaplex>!comfort Requiem
23:08<dpkg>There, there, Requiem. It's OK. I'm here for you.
23:08<vook>I still am forced to run Windows 2000 in a qemu for a class that requires IE (active X crap).
23:08<GhostlyDeath>vook: it's your calling
23:08<SeveredCross>Requiem: TrueCrypt?
23:08<Requiem>that was it
23:08<GhostlyDeath>Make an ActiveX emulator
23:09<GhostlyDeath>how do I make numlock Boot as on?
23:09<vook>ooo! the highlight of my week - I was able to as the Senior VP of Research for Microsoft "If he foresees Microsoft ever just abandoning the drive letter and going with a \".
23:09<blal>GhostlyDeath : That's in the BIOS.
23:09<lupine_85>a /, surely?
23:09<vook>GhostlyDeath: Informatics at IU
23:10<Supaplex>I won a digital delivery that could have been a pdf, but was an exe. I asked for a refund because the guy didn't list, for windows only. He's like "I've never heard of someone with out windows" my reply is, "uhm, there's that Apple thing called Mac OS X? yeah, and there are dozens of distros of linux to." etc etc etc. that was fun...
23:10<GhostlyDeath>Linux turns it off
23:10<blal>vook : omfg rad
23:10<blal>vook : Make drive letters aliases so legacy apps work.
23:10<vook>lupine_85: well - it's microsoft, I'll grant them the backslash - being that they are always bassackward.
23:10<blal>vook : add simple commands for symlinks and hard links, both.
23:11<lupine_85>you can use / with MS actually
23:11<Supaplex>haha vook :P
23:11<GhostlyDeath>MS supports / from POSIX
23:11<lupine_85>awfully kind of them
23:11<Supaplex>yup, they stoled that :)
23:11<lupine_85>embraced and extended...
23:11<GhostlyDeath>easier to do in iwne though
23:12<vook>they already have mountpoints of course - they don't need drive letters. It was cool though, Rich Rashid agreed with me-but acknowledged the burden of designing software for > a billion people.
23:13<lupine_85>I wonder how many people actually use Windows
23:13<lupine_85>(as opposed to how many licenses they've sold)
23:13<GhostlyDeath>I use windows Vista only as needed
23:13<GhostlyDeath>like testing things in VC2k8
23:13<lupine_85>if I /have/ to use windows for something, it's windows 98
23:13<GhostlyDeath>and in vista itself
23:14<GhostlyDeath>woo Win98SE kicks ass
23:14<Supaplex>I wonder how many windows installs use these people.
23:15<blal>lupine_85 : Maybe .99c + .99a + .5h , where "c" is the number of computers in a corporate setting, "a", those in an academic setting, and "h", the # of home users.
23:15<GhostlyDeath>vook: play rrootage yet?
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23:15<Supaplex>too bad HP violates the MSFT EULA :) I bought a new machine and declined the EULA, then asked for a refund on the OS. dorks decliened. I have no fight left in me on that, as the kind stacks of rebates made me money on that deal.
23:15<vook>dist-upgrade just finished - installing rootage now.
23:15<lupine_85>blal: not everyone owns a computer. and it's people, not installs
23:15<vook>GhostlyDeath: no nevermind, dist-upgrade contines...
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23:21<GhostlyDeath>my SF project is taking forreevvverrr to be approved
23:22<ranix>vista is needed?
23:22<ranix>for what
23:22<GhostlyDeath>Vista support
23:22<GhostlyDeath>so I know what to fix if any of my apps dont work in vista
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23:22<ranix>fuck that
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23:24<ranix>how hard is it to make some kind of standard for installers, or to release a free, open, microsoft installer builder
23:24<ranix>rant approaching, engaging brakes
23:24<ranix>full stop
23:25<SeveredCross>Okay, I have a weird issue.
23:25<GhostlyDeath>I think my eardrums blew out
23:25<SeveredCross>My GNOME clock is correct.
23:26<SeveredCross>But Pidgin is still 6 hours behind.
23:26<ranix>SeveredCross: date
23:26<ranix>what's that say
23:26<SeveredCross>Date says it's 6 o' clock.
23:26*SeveredCross checks hwclock
23:26<ranix>is it six o'clock?
23:26<SeveredCross>No, it's 11:26
23:26<GhostlyDeath>"Sat Jan 26 23:27:03 EST 2008"
23:26<SeveredCross>hwclock says it's 6 also.
23:26<blal>ranix : That's why I like developers that make their software available in a zip file when possible.
23:26<ranix>date -s
23:27<ranix>that'll fix it up
23:27<ranix>then fix your gnome clock
23:27<vook>GhostlyDeath: does rrootage need a gamepad ?
23:27<ranix>blal: that is probably the best way
23:27<GhostlyDeath>vook: no, press up/down until it says "Mouse"
23:28<ranix>I'm bored
23:28<GhostlyDeath>vook: move with the keyboard and aim with the mouse
23:28<SeveredCross>ranix: But hwclock still gives 06:28:06 PM...Should I worry about that?
23:28<ranix>SeveredCross: probably not. I never use hwclock for anything, just date and ntp
23:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
23:29<GhostlyDeath>this good? "Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. || Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method."
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23:29<SeveredCross>Ah, okay, GNOME's clock jsut went to 4:27 AM (I had Use UTC on to make it the right time) and once I turned it off it was okay.
23:29<blal>ranix : I run into this at work. The Nazis in IT guard admin access jealously. If I need/want a tool, I have to hope it doesn't require admin access to install.
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23:29<blal>ranix : Otherwise, I'll have to come up w/ a pretty convincing cover story.
23:29<ranix>blal: I'm the IT manager so I don't have these problems
23:29<blal>ranix : (to get auth to install the tool(z))
23:29<blal>ranix : lol
23:30<GhostlyDeath>IT came from under the bed
23:30<ranix>watching the kids ddos is getting boring
23:30<blal>ranix : "It's good to be da' king." (Which Mel Brooks movie was that? Robin Hood: Men in Tights, I think.)
23:30<GhostlyDeath>ranix: ?
23:30<SeveredCross>GhostlyDeath: Have you been under a rock?
23:30<ranix>a bunch of guys declared war on scientology
23:30<lupine_85>as you do
23:30<blal>fscking awesome.
23:30<ranix>they're raping the shit out of it
23:30<GhostlyDeath>SeveredCross: I have never been under a rock
23:30<SeveredCross>They've been ddos-ing them for at least a day now.
23:31*blal just found out.
23:31<SeveredCross>And posting all kinds of secret documents and crap.
23:31<lupine_85>I'd sooner they declared war on something more threatening
23:31<ranix>there's people out in front of the 'churches' with guy fawkes masks handing out anti propaganda in new york and london
23:31<ranix>faxing black pages
23:31<ranix>ordering pizza
23:31<vook>GhostlyDeath: ah cool
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23:32<ranix>it's been keeping me entertained since thursday
23:32<blal>lupine_85 : THings will get ugly too fast if they attack Christianity.
23:32<ranix>blal: christianity isn't a cult
23:32<Supaplex>ranix: define cult
23:32<lupine_85>some revisions score quite highly on the CDEF, but meh
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23:32<blal>ranix : I'm not about to start a literal holy war.
23:32<blal>ranix : Um, Christianity is a name that comes up sometimes when miscreants talk about fighting religion.
23:32<ranix>blal: it might have been thousands of years ago but it's progressed beyond that for some time now
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23:33<vook>GhostlyDeath: it makes me want to track down that old dos game "ballistix"
23:33<ranix>Supaplex: check google, there's some specific behavior that defines a cult
23:33<blal>ranix : Schwing!
23:33<blal>ranix : er, I remember ballistix
23:33<Supaplex>my guess is, cult is, a religious following. let's see how far off I am.
23:33<ranix>ballistix was rad
23:34<blal>What was the developers' name again? Psygenix? Psycognosis?
23:34<vook>they made lemmings too
23:34<ranix>psygnosis did Raptor didn't they?
23:34<ranix>or was that Apogee
23:34<SeveredCross>Raptor was epic.
23:34<SeveredCross>Tyrian too.
23:34<ranix>hell yes
23:35<ranix>I missed Tyrian I think...
23:35<vook>wow -that's going way back - Epic megagames,apogee
23:35<SeveredCross>I used to play Apogee games as a kid all the time.
23:35<blal>Commander Keen
23:35<ranix>man when CDs first came out
23:35<ranix>I loved Epic
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23:35<SeveredCross>Keen was win.
23:35<SeveredCross>Also, Jazz Jackrabbit.
23:35<ranix>I still have Star Crusader
23:35<vook>Keen dreams was awesome
23:35<SeveredCross>Keen Dreams != Apogee.
23:35<SeveredCross>Someone else did that one.
23:35<ranix>and Maxis was still good
23:36<ranix>so was Lucas Arts
23:36<SeveredCross>I still have Simcity on CD.
23:36<ranix>I wish we could rewind
23:36<ranix>remember sim ant
23:36<Requiem>it has all sorts of cool features, and all it will cost you is 400 dollars to get them
23:36<GhostlyDeath>what is this? Internet religion wars?
23:36<SeveredCross>Requiem: Huh?
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23:36<blal>Did ne of you play The DIg?
23:36<blal>("The Dig")
23:36<Requiem>bitching about Vista
23:36<Requiem>wrong channel though
23:37<ranix>the religion war is against scientology
23:37<ranix>not vista
23:37<ranix>we were bitching about both a few minutes ago though
23:37<vook>games were better back then - back when one or two people, or a small team could make a great game. (like Space quest or Seven Cities of Gold, AAoW, etc...)
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23:37<ranix>the weather in #debian changes frequently
23:37<ranix>a small team can still make a great game
23:38<vook>ranix: true - I am prejudice
23:38<vook>I must say
23:38<ranix>I wish I could remember the name of that game I played a few years ago
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23:38<ranix>you had a big science spaceship and got lost in space, and had to defend it with a fighter
23:39<ranix>you paid like $20 for it and could download it from the developer's site
23:39<ranix>that was awesome but I totally forgot the name
23:39<Christmas>i like pharaoh it runs through wine
23:39<Christmas>also quake 3, unreal tournament 2k4
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23:40<Requiem>ranix: starscape?
23:40<Supaplex>ranix: has a mouthful I didn't expect. insightful. Although not deeply significant, a cult isn't neccessarly false. The first Christians were labled as a cult. my two cents (and too many angles to fan out from here now)
23:40<ranix>holy hell that's it Requiem
23:41<Requiem>doesn't run right in wine for me sadly, graphics drivers suck
23:41*lupine_85 points out that all religions are almost certainly objectively false
23:41<lupine_85>moving on...
23:41<ranix>I'll have to get a crack or something because I haven't got my old reg code
23:41<Christmas>i'm not religious
23:42<GhostlyDeath>vook: there's also another rrootage like game
23:42<SeveredCross>Unreal Tournament 2k4 has a native Linux version
23:42<SeveredCross>That can use the same data files.
23:42<ranix>oh rrootage is a manic shooter
23:42<vook>GhostlyDeath: what's that?
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23:42<ranix>"bullet hell"
23:42<GhostlyDeath>There's another one similar to it
23:43<ranix>you should play Touhou, vook
23:43<vook>I'll check it out.
23:44<vook>gotta go - cafe is closing - night all...
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23:48<blal>When someone says "X is a cult", they don't mean "X is a religious group". They mean "X is an evil organization that manipulates and exploits its members". Even though Christianity began as a "cult", according to, this is irrelevant. The accusation is simply that the Church of Scientology is evil and exploits its members.
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23:49<Mahalo>How are you guys at using apt-get locally? I'm reading the Debian Howto and I'm missing something...
23:49<lupine_85>well, cult doesn't necessarily imply evil. it just almost always is used in that sense
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23:50<Christmas>Mahalo you have to make your own repositories
23:50<lupine_85>Pr0n/ Mice/ Chocolate/
23:50<Christmas>in a special directory on your hard disk or on a cdrom/dvdrom
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23:51<lupine_85>><. I should really fix that security hole
23:51<ranix>or http, Mahalo
23:51<lupine_85>it's normal to use file://
23:52<lupine_85>often in conjunction with dpkg-scanpackages
23:53<ranix>awesome! Moonpod remembers my old email address and password
23:53<blal>lupine_85 : Yes. One of the definitions of "cult" allows for perfectly benign organizations to be called "cults".
23:53<ranix>lol I'm gonna play this game again thanks to you Requiem
23:53<lupine_85>well, it's a pretty loose word at the best of times
23:53<Requiem>your welcome
23:54<lupine_85>I tend to use it for any organisation that has an indoctrination process and attempts to restrict freedom of thought
23:54<lupine_85>although that excludes creationism, so I might have to redefine that
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23:55<blal>lupine_85 : You and the majority of "cult" users I'm around.
23:56<blal>lupine_85 : Creationism is only a belief; it can't be a cult. Groups who indoctrinate people with Creationism can be, however. :-D
23:56<lupine_85>mm, good point
23:57<lupine_85>it hardly deserves the proper noun, though :p
23:57*lupine_85 <-- biologist, incidentally ;)
23:58<blal>lupine_85 : Voodoo gets a proper noun, so it's only fair.
23:59<lupine_85>Vodou is a pretty sophisticated syncretic religion, as it happens
23:59<ranix>voodoo is a type of magic and belief system
23:59<ranix>creationism isn't really a belief system
23:59<Requiem>no, Voodo at least makes sense, even if it's wrong
23:59<lupine_85>creationism is faulty logicv
23:59<ranix>no it isn't
23:59<blal>creationism is a belief.
23:59<ranix>kind of
23:59<ranix>but not necessarily
23:59<lupine_85>course it is. "This is too complex for me to understand how it arose by chance, therefore it must have been created"
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