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00:00<muhkuh>the problem is that i's an encrypted dvd
00:00<chealer>!tell dmg about msg the bot
00:00<dmg>chealer: i cant open it in root
00:00<dmg>chealer: i already tried the bot didnt help me
00:00<chealer>dmg: well, then you likely just don't know how to.
00:01<muhkuh>they even made the silent hill film challenging ^^
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00:01<DaCapn>kapil no, the configuration files in etc for the packages are still there
00:01<chealer>dmg: no, that factoid tells you to avoid doing "!foo" in the channel for yourself and tells you to do "/msg dpkg foo" instead.
00:01<muhkuh>but i'll get that riddle done ^^
00:01<muhkuh> day
00:01<istoc>Hi. I'm trying to get an interface to come up on boot by using auto in the interfaces file. What am I doing wrong? (eth1)
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00:03<chealer>istoc: IIRC you can't have several auto lines, though I'm far from being sure.
00:03<istoc>chealer: Huh, lemme try that and reboot.
00:03<chealer>istoc: no need to reboot, BTW.
00:04<gsimmons>istoc: You forgot the netmask (it is a required option).
00:04<DaCapn>just do /etc/init.d/networking restart
00:04<istoc>gsimmons: Is that just
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00:04<DaCapn>it depends on your network but that's probably incorrect
00:05<DaCapn>if all other computers local to this machine are 192.168.10.* then you should put
00:05<istoc>How do I know what it's supposed to be. It's for a LAN interface. (I'm trying to make a router)
00:05<istoc>DaCapn: Ok, Ill try that. Thanks.
00:06<DaCapn>you should read the wikipedia article about subnet masks, that would be even better
00:06<istoc>Ok, will do.
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00:09<GhostlyDeath>what's /opt/?
00:10<gsimmons>istoc: This might also explain your earlier dnsmasq DHCP range issue: you were attempting to serve a range for a network that the interface wasn't a part of. Amend dhcp-range= (in /etc/dnsmasq.conf) to use the network, not
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00:10<kapil>DaCapn: that usually means that the files were edited by you.
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00:11<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: "man hier", ask dpkg about fhs.
00:11<dpkg>it has been said that opt is available from
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00:12<chealer>dpkg: forget opt
00:12<dpkg>i forgot opt, chealer
00:15<istoc>Do I need to specify "network" in interfaces for a static ip?
00:15<gsimmons>istoc: You can, but it's optional.
00:15<muhkuh>if i wanna learn programming.........where should i start? (dont know nothing at all : )
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00:16<Dabiged>hey all
00:16<IOREK>Has anyone used f-prot??? I need help setting it up
00:16<Dabiged>I am hoping to get some help on a partition problem I am having
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00:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:17<kapil>muhkuh: if you want to learn python "apt-get install diveintopython"
00:17<Dabiged>I have a partition that I think has a bad partition table and I do not know how to get it back?
00:18<muhkuh>is python ok for newbies?
00:18<Dabiged>We have tried gpart and testdisk but neither worked
00:19<muhkuh>i know it will be hard work anyway but at least i should understand a little of the hole thing
00:19<IOREK>f-prot... anyone??
00:20<Conky>muhkuh: depends on what you want to do with it and why
00:21<muhkuh>just wanna start anyhow
00:21<muhkuh>would like to write a small game maybe
00:21<Conky>yah then python is a good choice for a scripting language
00:22<muhkuh>one day when i am old and grey ^^
00:22<muhkuh>cool got it
00:22<muhkuh>thanks a lot
00:23<Conky>not if you plan to be a games designer though. you need to get into compile d languages for that but for everything else, theres python(tm)
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00:24<muhkuh>i looked up a beginners guide fo C and i have to say the headache is still ther ^^
00:24<muhkuh>but i geuss it will be the same on python
00:24<istoc>The interface still isn't being brought up on boot. Am I doing anything wrong in interfaces?
00:24<Conky>yah, stick with a sane scripting lang then if you like i move onto lower level langs
00:24<muhkuh>but i have to try
00:25<gsimmons>istoc: Both 'allow-hotplug' and 'auto' are commented for your eth1 interface. You'll need to uncomment one of them.
00:25<muhkuh>i'll go googeling now for searching a python how to
00:26<istoc>gsimmons: Huh, I thought they did different things?
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00:27<muhkuh>found a hole forum = )
00:27<muhkuh>in german =) =)
00:27<gsimmons>istoc: They do. But if you want the interface to be brought up during system startup, you'll need to specify one of them.
00:29<Dabiged>Does anyone know how to rebuild a partition table?
00:29<Dabiged>or point me in the right direction?
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00:35<chump_>heya guys i was wondering if i could have two monitors(on my laptop) and have them extended
00:36<kapil>muhkuh: "diveintopython" is a manual for learning python
00:36<istoc>gsimmons: Thanks for the help, looks like the interface is being brought up. Gonna look into why dnsmasq isnt working.
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00:37<GhostlyDeath>Dabiged: like wipe the entire drive and start over?
00:37<muhkuh>i'm on now at the tutorial
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00:41<IOREK>Hey, I was wondering if it would be possible to install ubuntu on an external USB hdd and use it as a portable workstation?
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00:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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00:44<GhostlyDeath>Notepad keeps crashing
00:44<GhostlyDeath>and what's with all these garbled names in C:\ ?
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00:46<hb>Hi, having a problem with Xorg locking up on etch. Mouse cursor will sometimes move but screen contents and keyboard is always locked (no capslock LED change, no ctrl-alt-backspace). from another machine I can ssh into it and see Xorg is running at 100% cpu. I can't kill the Xorg process with "killall -9 Xorg", it returns me to the prompt but the same pid still runs at 100%. It just won't die. any ideas?
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00:50<istoc>Could someone help me with dnsmasq? It's complaining that it can't fufill a dhcp request because there's no address range available even though I have a line for it.
00:50<gsimmons>istoc: See my earlier dhcp-range= comment.
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00:52<streuner_>Did you forget your own factoid?
00:52<streuner_>Why is in .au internet expensive and crappy?
00:53<GhostlyDeath>ask the australians
00:53<streuner_>i did :-)
00:53<GhostlyDeath>what did they say?
00:53<GhostlyDeath>did they own Broadway?
00:53<streuner_>need to be verify
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00:56<GhostlyDeath>What's that word where you make something that's pointless to just show it off?
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00:56<GhostlyDeath>what would that item be?
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01:02<istoc>gsimmons: I got it to work. Thanks so much for the help.
01:02<gsimmons>istoc: np
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01:03<istoc>gsimmons: Quick question: should I be able to ping the router without having any forwarding iptables?
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01:06<gsimmons>istoc: You should be able to, provided you're not dropping anything ICMP-related using iptables.
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01:15<istoc>gsimmons: All my pings are getting dropped when trying to ping the ip specified in interfaces ( even though I don't have any iptables rules.
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01:22<KCYNICE>is there any newer for debian?
01:23<GhostlyDeath>newer what?
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01:23<streuner_>he is talking about mencoder and (prolly) mixing branches...
01:23<KCYNICE>i started to learn and use debian only two weeks before
01:24<streuner_>!multiple ask
01:24<dpkg>i guess multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
01:24<KCYNICE>i only want to see other beginers are how to learn and use
01:24<GhostlyDeath>what's with all these garbled names in C:\ ?
01:25<GhostlyDeath>what's with all these garbled names in C:\ ??????????????????????//////////////questionmark
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01:42<adamm>I just wanted to try the mpm-event threaded model for Apache2 on Etch and I received an error - '[crit] (70023)This function has not been implemented on this platform: Couldn't create a Thread Safe Pollset. Is it supported on your platform?'
01:43<adamm>Nothing else.
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01:45<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if any one knew the name of the program that will allow me to do network installs?
01:46<adamm>like 'ssh server aptitude' ?
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01:48<chump_>i want to do network install
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01:49<dpkg>i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
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01:50<GhostlyDeath>dut dut dut dut dut dut buuuzzz buzzz (10% complete) dut dut dut dut dut buuuzzz buzzzz (20% complete) buzzz buzzz dut dut dut dut dut buzzz buzzz (30% complete)
01:50<chump_>i mean liek i want to network boot and then install an OS from a server in my house
01:50<chump_>windows can host images of its OS for install on multiple pC's
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01:51<GhostlyDeath>Does your PC allow LAN boots?
01:51<adamm>Well, if you described the problem in the first place instead of generic 'network install'
01:52<chump_>my bad whats the proper name of it?
01:52<adamm>you are probably looking for 'fai-client' and 'fai-server'. It is called unattended install.
01:52<Lynoure>chump_: pxe server might be what you are looking for
01:53<Lynoure>oh, they are better things nowadays :) (what adamm said)
01:54<adamm> <--- fai homepage
01:54<chump_>Lynoure: thanks
01:54<Lynoure>chump_: rather look at fai-server and -client, like adamm said. I was not aware of it until now
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02:48<istoc>Could someone help? All my pings are getting dropped when trying to ping the ip specified in interfaces ( even though I don't have any iptables rules.
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02:59<Colypso>hello all
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02:59<Colypso>new to linux
03:00<Colypso>anyone know where i can get the packet manager?
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03:02<Mike_>Hello, how to, if possible, make surce for apt - nfs-share without mounting it?
03:02<Mike_>Colypso: aptitude
03:03<Mike_>Colypso: i'm new too =)
03:04<Colypso>im trying to get my wirless to work on linux
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03:05<soc>Colypso, try "synaptic"
03:06<Colypso>what is synaptic
03:06<Colypso>can i get that from a site
03:07<soc>if you have debian, you already have synaptic probably
03:07<soc>you got console ?
03:07<Colypso>yeah i installed the first disk
03:07<soc>thats enough
03:08<soc>type synaptic in console
03:08<Colypso>is that the command line?
03:08<soc>command line = console = shell
03:08<Colypso>im on a different pc right now
03:09<Colypso>ok thats all the same thing
03:09<Colypso>sorry im a noob at linux
03:09<Colypso>trying to learn it
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03:09<soc>BTW, anybody knows how to solve double integral in order to get volume ?
03:10<soc>no problem we all started somewhen ....
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03:11<Colypso>typed synaptic in the command line and did nothing
03:11<soc>nothing or returned a message ?
03:12<Colypso>returned a message not found
03:12<soc>are yuo root ?
03:12<soc>root is a system administrator
03:12<Mike_>soc: by default i have no synaptic, only aptitude
03:12<soc>type "su"
03:12<soc>and give a admin password
03:13<soc>hmm I got synaptic ... ?
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03:14<Colypso>su and aptitude both made command line dissapear and did nothing
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03:16<soc>did not asked for password ?
03:16<Mike_>Colypso: what you see, lat line?
03:16<soc>well ... yes ... type what is before your commands always written
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03:18<petrus>Quelqu'un pourrait il m'aider pour un problème de partionnement ?
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03:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
03:19<petrus>ok merci
03:19<petrus>bonne journée
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03:19<Colypso>says local host my name
03:19<Colypso>after putting in su in the console
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03:23<Mike_>Colypso: try aptitude
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03:27<Trebu>is this where i can get help solving my debian issue?
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03:28<Trebu>i have x server issues
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03:30*Trebu will try back later in the day
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03:30<__marker>How to add an offset (1 hour in my case) to the time received by an NTP client? Only solution I've found is to patch ntp.c.. Anything less hardcore?
03:32<dondelelcaro>__marker: why in the world would you ever want to do that?
03:32<dondelelcaro>__marker: NTP works in UTC, always.
03:33<dondelelcaro>everything else is just a matter of calculating offsets from UTC
03:33<avtobiff>like setting the corrects timezone
03:34<__marker>dondelelcaro: I'm in UTC+1. All my machines are synchronised, they get the time, add their timezone. Fine. But on one machine, the main app doesn't care about timezone. So I always get Time-1..
03:34<dondelelcaro>__marker: if the main app doesn't pay attention to TZ, then it's broken.
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03:34<dondelelcaro>__marker: best to fix it so that it does, rather than breaking everything else on the machine
03:34<chealer>Colypso: do you use GNOME or what?
03:35<__marker>dondelelcaro: Not particularly, it's a space field application. In space environment, only UTC is known. The app is several million lines
03:35<dondelelcaro>__marker: ok, so then it should only work in UTC. I'm still not sure what the actual problem is
03:36<dondelelcaro>__marker: since unix does everything in UTC internally anyway, and only calculates offsets when you ask it to display times, so long as the local time is displayed properly, that application should work properly as well.
03:36<__marker>dondelelcaro: that on the machine, kde displays the time but in the logs of the app, it displays time-1. I need all time synced
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03:37<dondelelcaro>__marker: if you can't handle differening timezones, then you want to switch everything to UTC.
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03:38<dondelelcaro>__marker: so dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; and select UTC as the default timezone and make sure you don't set TZ.
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03:39<__marker>dondelelcaro: That what I thought.. but first my time source is out of my responsability and second I would have to change this on all other machines..
03:40<dondelelcaro>__marker: why do you need to change it on all the other machines? It's not like machines with logs in different timezones is rare...
03:40<__marker>dondelelcaro: or I thought about not using a ntpd deamon and doing in a cron: ntpdate followed by TZ= hwclock -systohc
03:40<__marker>yes I know.. :/
03:40<dondelelcaro>you're basically trying to "fix" whatever your problem actually is by setting your clock incorrectly.
03:41<dondelelcaro>that approach is only going to lead you to pain.
03:41<dondelelcaro>the normal way that everyone else deals with this problem is by changing the log formats to report the offset if they're not in UTC>
03:42<__marker>dondelelcaro: several million lines, I guess ntp is less. It's simply a time+=1h afterall.. no? :)
03:42<__marker>dondelelcaro: most used app in space field.. these guys are crazy..
03:42<dondelelcaro>__marker: no, because all that does is make your time *wrong*
03:43<dondelelcaro>__marker: and hopefully makes everything that whatever that application does wrong as well.
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03:44<__marker>dondelelcaro: well, it's like i'm sitting in greenwich while I'm in germany.. not sure if the time is considered wrong.. I just set the complete system (and not only the app) in UTC..
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03:44<dondelelcaro>if it doesn't, then that application is totally incorrect, and should be fixed, even if it does have a million lines. [Even if it does have that many lines, unless it's crapily written, the time-dealing bits should be modularized and probably don't span more than a few thousand lines]
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03:44<Slydder>morning all
03:44<dondelelcaro>__marker: no, it's like you're an hour off.
03:45<[machine]>forgive me for stating this, but surely if as you state, "space environment, only UTC is known" you'd want to fit in with that convention?
03:45<dondelelcaro>__marker: that means that your astronomical model will be one hour off, satelites won't be where they should be, etc.
03:45<__marker>[machine]: yes, also. That's why I'll definetly won't change the app. It's the standard.. it's crappy but.. it's their standard..
03:45<dondelelcaro>UTC is the standard for everything
03:46<dondelelcaro>anything that doesn't use UTC should be outputing an offset.
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03:47<dondelelcaro>in any event, I've explained what you should do and why you don't want to muck with ntp; best of luck.
03:47*[machine] is confused... the main os time is local, the app shows utc, which is the accepted behaviour for space research apps - why does anything need changing?
03:47<__marker>dondelelcaro: no no nothing will be wrong. the satellite also doesn't care about offsets.. it uses julian date
03:47<__marker>[machine] because on other machines where apps are not broken, I also have logs.. then I need to make a big merge of all logs...
03:48<dondelelcaro>__marker: if you muck with ntp, UTC will be one hour off. non-geostationary satellites will be off.
03:48<dondelelcaro>__marker: if you need to merge logs, then read all of the other machines logs and offset them into UTC and merge.
03:50<__marker>dondelelcaro: mmhh logs are stored in binary and the export tool is an awfull windows app..
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03:51<__marker>dondelelcaro: thanks for your ideas. I thought an ntp client would have had this offset parameter for broken-apps. I think I will patch ntp client as other space projects have done..
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04:28<Blackhold>could someone give me some help on raid creation during installation please?
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04:30<sep>Blackhold, what part of the installation guide are you having problem with
04:30<Blackhold>first, I expose my problem
04:30<Blackhold>I have 2 ide disk
04:30<sep>!tell Blackhold about enter
04:32<Blackhold>and would like to make RAID from all partitions, with mdadm if one partition is mounted you couldn't create partion, and now in the installation I cannot use mdadm 'cause I haven't access to /dev
04:32<Blackhold>I'm on the menu of partition of disks
04:33<Blackhold>and would like to say to partition menu, copy whom hda in hdb, and use RAID
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04:34<Blackhold>I tried LVM but don't know what is LVM and how to use that
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04:36<Lynoure>Blackhold: is a good howto for LVM on software raid.
04:37<Lynoure>hmm, if you already have raid with data on it, might be easiest to back up before install and restore after, depending on the amount of data, of course.
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04:43<Blackhold>Lynoure: no, I'm doing a clean install
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04:44<Blackhold>Lynoure: with that I could create my own table of partition?
04:44<Lynoure>Blackhold: then I lost track of something.... What would you then want to copy from hda to hdb?
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04:44<Blackhold>I don't like how debian make partitions
04:45<Lynoure>Blackhold: that's "Manual partitioning" there
04:45<Blackhold>in wrong mode I would like that system makes continuosly a dd hda hdb
04:45<Blackhold>but disks working
04:46<Blackhold>that solves using RAID
04:46<Blackhold>that is solved*
04:46<Lynoure>Blackhold: So you plan to do raid0?
04:47<Lynoure>oh, misread.
04:47<Lynoure>raid1, more like it :)
04:48<Lynoure>Blackhold: if you want to have LVM on top of the raid, the howto I pointed to might be just what the doctor ordered, though I'm not sure the 2% rule is needed. (Anyone have any opinions on that?)
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04:53<enouf>Blackhold: sfdisk is one util that can import/export partitions tables
04:54<enouf>(not to mention, in #debian on #freenode, i said) [04:35:35] <enouf> Blackhold: maybe this helps
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04:55<Lynoure>If she just wants maximum flexibility with raid and lvm, partition tables are minimum work (assuming a single server), lvm lv defining is a bit more
04:55<enouf>who's she? and when did she ever mention LVM?
04:56<Lynoure>enouf: Blackhold.
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04:56<Lynoure> Blackhold> I tried LVM but don't know what is LVM and how to use that
04:57<Lynoure>So I assumed she wanted that too. Might have assumed wrong.
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04:57<Lynoure>Either way, lvm is quite yummy.
04:57<enouf>that means she has reached out wildly looking for answers to her RAID issues, not that she wants LVM
04:58<Lynoure>enouf: thank you for interpreting for me :)
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04:58<enouf>i interpreted him ;-)
04:58<Lynoure>enouf: laura sounded like a female name to me...
04:58<enouf>and LVM is a nasty dirty ho
04:58<Lynoure>But I don't know him/her
04:59<enouf>ahh, i have the join/part messages disabled on freenode, so never noticed the name
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05:00<Lynoure>enouf: You almost reacted like assuming one to be female was impolite :)
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05:01<phun>gtkBitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.18-5-486
05:01<enouf>i call males "she" sometimes ;-)
05:02<Blackhold>ok, gonna try
05:02<Lynoure>enouf: I call everyone "hän" when I get to choose :0
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05:02<Lynoure>But unfortunately English makes one pick a gender.
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05:03<enouf>½ and ½ ?
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05:03<enouf>ahh ape
05:03<Lynoure>enouf: no, just neutral, like "we" is.
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05:04<enouf>they, them, those, we , us , ours
05:04<Kebianizao|work>why I can't change the owner of a file/dir I own to another user?
05:04<enouf>you pluralize then
05:04<Lynoure>enouf: yup. But "they" about a single person sounds weird to my non-native ear.
05:04<enouf>Kebianizao|work: ro filesystem?
05:05<Kebianizao|work>enouf: no
05:05<Lynoure>enouf: No. Hän is the third person singular. (but enough of a Finnish lesson now)
05:05<Torsten_W>Kebianizao|work: what's the errormessage?
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05:06<enouf>well, i'm a guy, i'm expected to suck at languages
05:06<Kebianizao|work>Torsten_W: chown: changing ownership of `blah': Operation not permitted
05:06<Lynoure>enouf: hee. I would not know, I'm mostly gender blind. :)
05:07<enouf>even though i don't - when i speak, the other always knows what i mean ;-) abd that's all that matters
05:07<Lynoure>Is one (non-root) expected to be able to give others files? I think normally not.
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05:08<Lynoure>That would be a fun way to mess up their quota :)
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05:09<Torsten_W>Kebianizao|work: yes, that's normal, same here
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05:10<Blackhold>try again...
05:10<Blackhold>huh... too much work!
05:10<Kebianizao|work>Torsten_W: but why?
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05:13<enouf>Kebianizao|work: is the dir or it's parent set as setgid?
05:14<Kebianizao|work>enouf: for testing that file is on /tmp which is drwxrwxrwt
05:14<enouf>that's set as non-EXE for others then, 1775, iirc
05:15<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
05:17<enouf>hrm - * The x will be an s if the setuid or setgid bit is also set, and in the third, it will be a t if the sticky bit is set. If these are set but the execute bit is not, the letter will be in uppercase.
05:18<Kebianizao|work>enouf: so you think that setting the segid bit would solve it
05:18<Kebianizao|work>I'll check
05:18<enouf>oh well, also maybe they/it has some lsattr set, lsattr filename
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05:18<enouf>like i for immutable
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05:19<enouf>i'm not great with perms, sorry
05:19<Kebianizao|work>enouf: no fs attr used
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05:19<Blackhold>Lynoure: don't understant the next step, now I have the 2 disk partitioned using "physical volume for RAID" but could not advance 'cause there's not a /, swap, etc. partitions...
05:19<Lynoure>enouf: I don't think it would work anywhere else either... or can you, on your debian, give file ownership of others if you are not root? AFAIK it's just not allowed on modern *nixes
05:19<Kebianizao|work>chown: changing ownership of `gprs-nxo/db/revs/0': Operation not permitted
05:19<Kebianizao|work>with setgid set
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05:20<enouf>Kebianizao|work: wait, are you doing this as root?
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05:20<indeferend>Ho do you do?
05:20<indeferend>Где русские тут общаются?
05:20<Blackhold>ok, nothing... did not see that configure software raid is on top :$
05:20<Kebianizao|work>enouf: no, as the owner of the file
05:21<Kebianizao|work>I mean as the owner I want to change the owner to another user
05:21<Lynoure>Blackhold: :)
05:21<enouf>indeferend: ó©æçÿøÀ‡‡‡?????
05:21<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
05:21<enouf>Kebianizao|work: owner == user?
05:22<enouf>i guess so, if not root, so no, can't be done
05:22<Lynoure>Blackhold: the installer tries to be extra easy, so doing anything even slightly complicated with it takes kind of multiple rounds of action.
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05:23<enouf>i never thought yuo weren't doing this as root, changing a file's (or dir's) owner from one user to another
05:24<Kebianizao|work>enouf: file created by user a, and a wanted to changed it to user b
05:24<Kebianizao|work>enouf: I know I could as root, but wanted to do as regular user
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05:25<enouf>no go i'm afraid
05:26<Kebianizao|work>enouf: why?
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05:27<Lynoure>Kebianizao|work: Would you like someone chown:ing you kiddyporn? or filling your quota with a huge file you own but cannot get to? :)
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05:28<Kebianizao|work>I see the quota point, but I'm wanting that the owning user 'gives' his files to another user
05:28<Kebianizao|work>well, the quota reason is enough I guess
05:29<Lynoure>Kebianizao|work: so, the downsides of allowing it was at some point deemed to be too great compared to the perks and a decision was made to disallow it.
05:29<enouf>if that can be done Kebianizao|work so can vice-versa -- no bueno
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05:29<Lynoure>Kebianizao|work: how about using shared group instead?
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05:31<Kebianizao|work>well the real case is that I created a svn repo as an user, and svn daemon can only write to it if it is owen by wvn user
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05:32<enouf>i think the 'user' and 'users' mount options differ to a degree as well - IINM, 'users' allows any user, while user restricts/limits actions to user with uid= and gid= given as well - but that's not even really relative here
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05:33<jaakko>Is there some easy way to download all the sources for my system? I would like to distribute Debian, mut then I have to distribute the sources also.
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05:34<Lynoure>jaakko: you can also just promise them sources if they ask, I think
05:35<jaakko>Lynoure: Yes, but it is difficult to remember what you have distributed, which version etc.
05:35<jaakko>Every update/upgrade changes code.
05:36<Lynoure>jaakko: yes, unless you make a list. I'd expect there to be some way to keep source of everything you have installed, but don't know what that way is, sorry.
05:36<Blackhold>Lynoure: could I use RAID without using LVM?
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05:36<padski>jaakko, the easiest way is to distrubute sources at the same time as you distribute binaries.
05:36<jaakko>I guess I just have to list all packages installed and then load the source. Does the Debian system contain something GPL code which is not in the installed packages?
05:37<padski>jaakko, and yes you can download all the sources for debian.
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05:38<Lynoure>Blackhold: yes, of course. But then you need to partition according to that earlier on, according to your partition needs.
05:38<Kebianizao|work>well, I think the problem and the solution are clear, so I'll leave the issue alone
05:38<Kebianizao|work>thanks all for your help
05:39<jaakko>Is there a correspondig source CD for Debian CD#1?
05:39<jaakko>It would be too big, I think, impossible.
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05:42<jaakko>wow, I have only 690 packages installed. A script may be needed for downloading sources. But still, is there some licensed code outside the packages?
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05:43<padski>jaakko, as far as I can think, it is all in the packages.
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05:44<padski>jaakko, sources don't tend to be that much different in size to binaries.
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05:46<Lynoure>source cds should be somewhere, according to ... cannot find the, though
05:46<enouf>ask in #debian-cd perhaps
05:46<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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05:46<enouf>to make a list
05:47<Lynoure>jaakko can ask if he wants :)
05:48<Lynoure>ah, found them, they were hiding as an architecture next to s390 and multiarch
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05:49<jaakko>Lynoure: I saw it mentioned too but couldn't find... Where are they?
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05:50<Lynoure>jaakko: between S390 and multi-arch
05:51<jaakko>Thank you!
05:52<Lynoure>jaakko: :)
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06:08<HennaX>lets say you want to replicate your running debian to another partition to have a working backup. i would usually go and "cp -a" all directories in root except /dev - how would i handle /dev properly for the backup partition to be fully identical and working?
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06:10<GhostlyDeath>Why does my computer sound like it's defraging like in windows?
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06:14<Lynoure>HennaX: for full partition, dd is the least troublesome way.
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06:17<suiside>GhostlyDeath: it's accesing the disk?
06:18<GhostlyDeath>suiside: yeah i know but it brought back memorys of me defragging Windows 98 :)
06:18<GhostlyDeath>those were the good 'ol days
06:21<Defilade>no they werent
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06:25<HennaX>Lynoure: i dont want a bitwise copy for some reason. and the question is more like how i should handle /dev during my backup - do i just have to create the empty directory cause the initrd will take care of it anyways and build the structure, or ...
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06:26<HennaX>GhostlyDeath: maybe you have a service running that collects data. updatedb does that for example for faster file searches via "locate"
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06:29<Lynoure>HennaX: Some reason? :) you can copy /dev/.static/dev and mount it under /dev, I think
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06:32<HennaX>Lynoure: thats still not exactly my question. is the structure under /dev created automatically at runtime or not?
06:34<Lynoure>HennaX: yes, /dev/.static/dev is just a static image of that
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06:39<twb>I'm trying to enable/disable wifi on my eeePC (running Lenny) without rebooting and changing it in the BIOS.
06:39<twb>acpi-support's scripts look for /sys/class/net/ath0/power/state which doesn't exist.
06:39<twb>How do I go about making it exist?
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07:16<kapil>HennaX: use bind mounts to mount the precise file-system heirarchy you want to copy to (say) /root/source. mount the target file-system heirarchy to /root/target. then run "cd /root/source; find . -depth | cpio -pdum -v /root/target". leave out the "-v" if you want it to be quiet.
07:17<HennaX>kapil: wow. cool. thank you
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07:18<kapil>HennaX: the minor problem with this solution is that files may change during the long copy time. the only way around that would be to use lvm snapshots...but that is another story.
07:20<HennaX>kapil: yeah, that would be a bit overdose. the syncro does not have to be perfect between both copies. its just to have a quick way to fallback to a working system
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07:28<poppen>could someone help me enable all my mousebuttons in debian?
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07:29<poppen>so they work "correctly", the sidebuttons should work as back and forward.
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07:31<HennaX>poppen: what you need to modify is the X configuration located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the section "InputDevice" for the mouse
07:31<poppen>im in there now looking
07:31<poppen>but dont know what to change...
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07:32<HennaX>poppen: "man xorg.conf" should reveal the settings that are required
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07:32<HennaX>i only have a wheel, not more than 3 buttons. so i dont know exactly
07:33<poppen>hm ok
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07:53<poppen>one stupid question
07:53<poppen>is there a fast way to restart X
07:54<poppen>Without rebooting the comp
07:54<petemc>ctl alt backspace will kill it
07:54<petemc>your display manager should then restart it
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07:57<poppen>ok thankyou
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07:58<niru>I have two words in a schell
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07:59<niru>they are in two different lines one after other
07:59<niru>as example:x
07:59<niru>how can i remove the same between them in vim
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08:05<padski>niru, J
08:05<niru>padski, any editor comman is there to do at a time
08:06<niru>J signifies what?
08:06<padski>it is the key you press
08:06<padski>very handy in vi :-)
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08:08<niru>padski, ok
08:08<niru>padski, done
08:09<padski>niru, you are welcome
08:09<avtobiff>what did J do in vi(m?). i was somewhat at sleep
08:10<rowdy>hi all
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08:13<padski>avtobiff, J = "join lines" or something
08:14<avtobiff>can you unjoin in some clever way? split where the marker is or something?
08:14<avtobiff>clever command that J. i needed something like that. thanks a lot padski!
08:15<padski>avtobiff, I would simply insert a line break where I wanted it
08:15<padski>avtobiff, but there is undo
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08:19<avtobiff>$payeah i now
08:19<avtobiff>padski, hehe. i am pretty tired i think :-)
08:19<avtobiff>padski, "how can you unjoin lines" geez :-D
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08:20<konqui_89>Does anyone know where to find the error log for kpackage? (if in knoppix)
08:21<avtobiff>maybe #knoppix
08:21<konqui_89>K. How about just in general for debian?
08:22<avtobiff>dont know :-)
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08:22<konqui_89>k. thanks
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08:22<lupine_85>surely it just uses dpkg's log mechanisms?
08:23<padski_>konqui_89, perhaps /var/log/
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08:36<SAN>ïðåò âñåì
08:36<SAN>òû ïðî ÷Î
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08:43<konqui_89>padski: is there a /var/log/ directory in knoppix?
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08:45<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
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08:46<Lynoure>konqui_89: however, most likely yes.
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08:50<padski_>how do I see how big libc is in RAM ??
08:51<Gekz>what is a good digital tv pci card for linux compatibitity?
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08:53<Gekz>padski_: that was fast.
08:54<Gekz>so whats the best card?
08:54<padski_>google is my friend.
08:54<Gekz>will i need a coax cable? :p
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08:54<padski_>Gekz, no idea. there are probably better places to ask.
08:54<Gekz>i haven't found one >.>
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08:57<padski_>Gekz, dunno, try #linuxtv @
08:59<amphi>Gekz: or #linuxhelp - usually has bettr s/n than #linux
08:59<Gekz>serial number?
09:00<padski_>signal to noise ratio
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09:01<padski_>if you ain't part of the signal ... ;-)
09:01<amphi>not that I've been in #linux for a good while - perhaps things have improved
09:02<padski_>anyways, I said #linuxtv
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09:11<weld>hi all... how can i remove old packages from the apt cache (i mean keeping only the latest version of each package) via command line?
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09:12<weld>there is a simillar option available in aptitude put i don't find a command line option for this
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09:13<Gekz>weld: aptitude cleanold?
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09:14<weld>Gekz: oh... thanks :)
09:14<weld>Gekz: didn't see it :D
09:14<Gekz>you reminded me to clean my cache?
09:15<weld>mine was some GB ^^
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09:16<Gekz>weld: its autoclean
09:16<Gekz>not cleanold
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09:19<weld>Gekz: hehe.. i didn't do it so far ^^
09:20<weld>Gekz: here it IS "autoclean"
09:21<weld>aptitude 0.4.10
09:21<Gekz>i think etch had cleanold
09:21<Gekz>lenny/sid is autoclean
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09:21<weld>now... can i copy the apt cache from one pc to another?
09:22<Gekz>cant see why not
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09:23<weld>Gekz: so there isn't something like a file with further information i would have to change for apt to make this work?
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09:24<Gekz>afaik no
09:24<weld>Gekz: ok, thanks you, i'll try :)
09:24<Gekz>aptitude update or apt-* something should suffice
09:25<weld>Gekz: i see
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09:26<DTE>hi all
09:26<DTE>i'm trying to use bonding with 4 eth's
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09:27<DTE>is it normal to have a max troughput of about 1,5 gbits?
09:27<lupine_85>DTE: throughput is limited by many factors, including PCI bus
09:28<DTE>i think it should go more than 1,5 gbits
09:29<lupine_85>PCI-E looks at around 5GBit/sec
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09:29<DTE>great...i read that to use more than 2 int is useless
09:30<DTE>then i tried with only two and i got 800 mbits
09:30<lupine_85>don't forget that it's asynchronous bandwidth, IIRC
09:31<lupine_85>and shared between other PCI cards, and stuff
09:32<DTE>yes's just that with 4 gigabit ports i could get more
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09:33<lupine_85>are you using jumbo frames?
09:33<lupine_85>that'll drop a fair bit of overhead from the calculations
09:34<DTE>lupine_85: yes
09:35<ranix>Hey guys, I need help installing Webmin
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09:35<lupine_85>DTE: is this a decent server board or off-the-shelf hardware?
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09:36<ranix>webmin is having trouble with ports or something, it doesn't seem to be working right
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09:36<dpkg>well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
09:37<ranix>ah right
09:37<ranix>thanks lupine_85
09:37<ranix>I was trolling for responses for why a friend of mine shouldn't install webmin
09:38<jMCg>ranix: it sucks ass.
09:38<DTE>lupine_85: it's an hp 350 with a 4 port pci-e eth's an intel card
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09:41<lupine_85>DTE: Intel are generally pretty good. it could be the linux kernel holding you back, possibly, just. Maybe try a BSD for comparison purposes?
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09:42<DTE>lupine_85: uhm...i have to download a live cd...if i have time to do it :-)
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09:50<fez>command to wipe flash ?
09:51<petemc>wipe flash?
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09:52<fez>yeah. there is a prog I am trying to remember the name
09:52<petemc>im questioning what wipe flash means
09:53<fez>erase mmc card
09:53<petemc>rm , or if security is an issue, shred
09:53<fez>petemc, tahnks shred was it
09:53<amphi>cat /dev/zero > /dev/mmc0 or whatever?
09:54<fez>yeah, that's what I'm doing.
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10:10<donfede>what is the "recommended way" of making a boot disk with grub? (mkboot tries to make a lilo boot disk on my grub system)
10:12<berto>grub-floppy ?
10:12<berto>or a CD?
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10:20<FAclon>HI, I have some problems trying to connect to a wireless network. I go to Desktop > Administration > Networking and select the wireless device. It Appear the SSID, I enter the key but then nothing happens, don't know if I need to disable eth0 or say to use wlan0 may someone help me with this
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10:25<hypnotic>hi there, im looking for some help on reconfiguring alsa drivers
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10:29<hathe>FAclon: use iwconfig and ifconfig in a shell, most wlan guis I tested were a bit crappy
10:30<FAclon>iwconfig detects the card, iwlist wlan scan shows the ESSID, but how do I say to use that one instead of eth0? :(
10:31<hathe>FAclon: configuere /etc/network/interfaces and then ifdown eth0; ifup wlan0 (or another device name, depends on your card
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10:38<iury_>i've installed debian using modele=udev-ppp
10:38<iury_>to use my pppoe connection
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10:38<iury_>now that i've finished installing
10:39<iury_>when i boot up, my system is already connected, and i use pon, and poff to control the connection
10:39<schmichael>can i get openssh-client to do tab completion on hostnames and/or username@hostname?
10:39*schmichael is lazy
10:39<iury_>but i don't want to use it, how do i do it stop connecting at startup?
10:39<FAclon>hathe, I try that but sill nothing
10:40<munga>schmichael: as far as I know, only if you specify the host in your .ssh/config
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10:42<munga>FAclon: with the latest gnome desktop, you can use the networkmanager applet that in my experience works pretty well out of the box
10:42<petemc>grep ssh /etc/bash_completion shows it looking in known_hosts
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10:42<schmichael>munga: you're my hero, thanks!
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10:45<gsimmons>iury_: Remove /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot should it exist, otherwise comment the "auto" stanza (for the ppp interface) from /etc/network/interfaces.
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10:45<iury_>gsimmons: thank you... trying...
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10:46<schmichael>iury_: if you don't use ppp, you could just remove related packages
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10:46<iury_>i use
10:46<iury_>but i want to use pppoe-start
10:46<schmichael>then gsimmons is right :)
10:47<iury_>i comment the whole pppoe think
10:47<iury_>or just the auto?
10:48<gsimmons>iury_: Only commenting the auto stanza is necessary.
10:48<iury_>done :)
10:48<iury_>it's givin me too much headache
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10:48<iury_>when i boot up
10:48<iury_>the ppp0 interface is up
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10:48<iury_>but internet doen't work
10:48<iury_>everytime i have to poff and pon
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10:59<schmichael>man proc reports /proc/meminfo uses bytes, but mine very obviously reports kB
10:59<schmichael>should i file a bug somewhere?
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11:08<Ozux>hi, Any body has Evolution? I Upgrade my Evolution (lenny) and now I don't have SSL
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11:08<gsimmons>schmichael: Please file one against the 'manpages' package. The inaccuracy is still present in version 2.75-1.
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11:09<schmichael>gsimmons: thanks, will do
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11:23<schmichael>gsimmons: Bug#462969 fwiw
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11:37<faclon>may someone tell me off a good wireless manager for debian, I am trying to connect to a wireless network with the default one but it never get connected, I can only see the essid
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11:40<schmichael>faclon: i use network-manager in gnome and it works fine for me
11:40*schmichael is using unstable/sid
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11:42<faclon>I am using etch
11:45<faclon>cannot fine any package network-manager only network-admin
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11:47<schmichael>sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
11:48<holmss> how to synhronize data with rsync from ftp with username and password?
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11:49<faclon>schmichael, already have that package install
11:51<Lynoure>holmss: rsync is not ftp... if they run rsync, then you can connect to it directly. or you can rsync with a password if you have ssh access
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11:54<holmss>Lynoure: what kind of solution you could recomend, if I need automaicly synchronize data?
11:54<Lynoure>holmss: depends on whether you control both ends :)
11:55<Lynoure>holmss: if you do, rsync over ssh (using keys) as a cronjob is almost magic :)
11:56<holmss>I control only pc, not server :(
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12:00<Lynoure>holmss: and the server only offers you ftp and needs a password?
12:02<Lynoure>holmss: then you can either automate that ftp download (put a little script as a cronjob) or ask the admins for better methods
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12:03<holmss>Lynoure: I have username and password, nothing more. On server are placed files which regulary changes (not all). Download all every day is not possible...
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12:04<Lynoure>holmss: I guess you are then in the category b) ask the admins of the site for better methods
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12:04<petemc>you could perhaps use fuse to mount ftp and rsync that
12:05<Lynoure>petemc: that's clever, did not think of that at all.
12:05<rjent>Greetings, I have a netboot that works with squashfs and not with filesystem type plain. Any ideas
12:05<holmss>petemc: thanks for way where to search
12:05<dpkg>[fuse] at, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.
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12:06<Lynoure>holmss: even has a potentially working script for you...
12:07<chaoticmass>Debian Sarge: I'd like to cross compile from i386 host to a sparc target. I have gcc and build-essentials installed-- does this have everything I need or is there some other package I need to do cross compiling?
12:08<Lynoure>I wonder how much wear-n-tear it is at the ftp server, though
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12:10<holmss>I love you all :D Thanks
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12:14<lamer1201540435216>Hi all, how can i install grub2 on debian etch ?
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12:15<Torsten_W>lamer1201540435216: compile it
12:16<lamer1201540435216>Torsten_W: there is no way to get it from, if existing, the lenny repos ?
12:16<Torsten_W>lamer1201540435216: why u need this?
12:17<lamer1201540435216>my Apple MacPro has no BIOS but EFI !
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12:17<faclon>have a problem trying to install debian etch, it say that no common cd-rom drive was detected. I already try noapic generic.all_generic_ide=1 but still get the same result or the installation freeze
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12:17<Torsten_W>lamer1201540435216: then try it from the testing repo
12:17<noflash>!tell lamer1201540435216 -about backports
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12:18<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: use refit as bootmanager
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12:19<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: refit can load osx and a normal grub for linux, but don't install grub in mbr but on your linux partition
12:19<lamer1201540435216>noflash: do i have to edit my sources.lit ? i don't know backports
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12:20<lamer1201540435216>hatel: refit has 2 serious problems, in my knowledge, it make impossible to set a boot-change-password
12:21<lamer1201540435216>and then ... i have no MAC OS installed ....
12:21<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: refit is in stable reposiory
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12:24<lamer1201540435216>hatel: do you use refit ?
12:24<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: this should be quite a intersting page for you as well:
12:24<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: yes
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12:25<Schiz0>Does the fglrx driver still not work with xorg 7.2 in lenny?
12:25<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: disadvantage with normal grub is: you can only use 4 partitions
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12:25<lamer1201540435216>can you tell me if refit can set a open-firmware password (like) ???
12:25<Schiz0>I have a ATI card on a laptop with debian lenny and I'm wondering the best way to get the proper drivers on it so I can get compiz working
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12:25<Schiz0>but the ATI driver package, fglrx, apparently doesn't work with xorg7.2
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12:28<lamer1201540435216>hatel: i not only need to install Debian but also to make impossible for others to boot from CD/DVD and so on.
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12:32<lamer1201540435216>hatel: give a look here please:
12:32<lamer1201540435216>hatel: we werw on same link ! :-)
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12:33<lamer1201540435216>hatel: on the bottom it says i can set no passw but only edit the men\x9D !
12:34<hathe|>lamer1201540435216: you can disable some funtions, never used or tried it..
12:35<lamer1201540435216>hatel: don't you think that if i install grub2 (or elilo) i'll bypass the problem ? i have no need to use Mac OS !
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12:41<lamer1201540435216>how can i install a lenny package on etch stable ?
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12:44<munga>lamer1201540435216: the easiest way it to re-compile it for stable
12:45<munga>but it also depends by its dependencies. have a look at maybe somebody has already done the hard work for u
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12:46<lamer1201540435216>munga: thanks ! so can't i edit the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
12:47<lamer1201540435216>munga: i'm on backports . pray for me pleeease ! :-D
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12:49<ry202>what command gives my usergroup back?
12:49<munga>lamer1201540435216: if it's a package without dependencies, you might also be able to pull it directly from unstable (but this is not likely) ... I don't know about praying :)
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12:50<munga>ry202: id or groups
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12:52<abiectum>How to install windows fonts in wine ???
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12:53<munga>abiectum: msttcorefonts
12:53<abiectum>I'm newbe with Debian...
12:53<abiectum>some more exact intruction pls
12:53<munga>in wine ? ... wait a sec. I don't know...
12:54<munga>so you have wine to run a ms application and all fonts are screwed ?
12:55<abiectum>I can read... but fonts looking like with very bad resolution
12:55<abiectum>and that is game :-)
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12:55<munga>I think you can change your fonts in .wine/config ... try to google around for wine fonts
12:56<abiectum>I tryed read some forums... but hmmmm I don;t know how to ...
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12:56<abiectum>do it
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12:56<munga>like this one :
12:57<munga>the package corefonts mentioned should be the same as msttcorefonts
12:57<munga>you can install it with synaptic or with apt-get from command line
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12:58<abiectum>ok I will try now :>. wait pls
12:58<lamer1201540435216> munga: no grub2 on backports ... but a big thank you for pointing me to this wonderful site/project !!!
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12:59<abiectum>munga, but what package I should install ?
12:59<abiectum>corefonts doen't exist :>
12:59<munga>the package corefonts mentioned should be the same as msttcorefonts
13:00<munga>but then you have to fiddle with .wine/config to pick the right font ...
13:00<munga>I think... it's a long time I don't use wine
13:00<abiectum>ok first I installl this mst...
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13:03<abiectum>munga, that means i should make "nano .wine/config" ???
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13:03<munga>yes. what do you want to run with wine ?
13:03<munga>that is ?
13:03<munga>a game ?
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13:04<abiectum>I;m GM there...
13:04<abiectum>but I change system
13:04<abiectum>and now hmmmm... have problem :>
13:04<munga>did you check if it works with wine on the wine website ?
13:04<abiectum>I can start game without problem in wine
13:04<abiectum>but only there is problem with fonts
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13:04<abiectum>notning else
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13:05<munga>abiectum: why don't you try #winehq on freenode ? I don't know enough about wine to help you out
13:06<abiectum>munga, but this .wine/config is empty :P
13:06<munga>uhm... there must be some way of generating a default config file... try on freenode. they will help you
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13:08<abiectum>munga, I don't need ... after I install this mtt... it works perfectly
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13:09<munga>there you go :)
13:09<abiectum>can I ask u next question ?
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13:10<abiectum>I have laptop with i945... now I have resolution 1280x800 and I want to have 1280x1024 line in windows before...
13:10<abiectum>is this possible ?
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13:11<raz>hmm.. is there a "debian" way to select the kernel image to boot? i created a new deb with make-kpkg and installed it but grub still points to the old version
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13:15<Franki>I'm having a dependency problem when trying to install scorched3d_41.2 on etch.
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13:17<hathe|>## default num
13:17<hathe|># Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0
13:18<Franki>On their page they say it's for etch, but a closer look at the package's depends show: "depends libc6 (>= 2.7-1)", which is hard to achieve on an etch machine
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13:19<jchwam>I do modprobe r8180
13:19<jchwam>and get
13:19<jchwam>fatal module not found
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13:22<jchwam>anyone has an idea?
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13:27<Franki>jchwam: I've not followed your problem, but have you tried "depmod"?
13:27<Franki>as root
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13:33<Franki>Now, can someone tell me how to wipe out this problem?
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13:37<Lynoure>Franki: compiling it yourself is not an option? you could have thankfulness of many be making a package that really works for etch :)
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13:44<jchwam>could anyone please help me?
13:44<nareshov>!ask > jchwam
13:44<chealer>Franki: you mean on their site, right?
13:44<Franki>chealer: yes
13:44<chealer>jchwam: how can you be helped?
13:44<chealer>Franki: on which page?
13:44<poppen>If i want to upgrade from etch to something, what should i upgrade too? lenny?
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13:45<chealer>poppen: yes
13:45<nareshov>jchwam: >
13:45<myki>Hello. May you advice me on way to lock workstation for given period of time? Kind of "sleep", that also locks keyboard and switching terminals.
13:47<Franki>myki: what UI or GUI do you use? if you use KDE, try "kdesktop_lock"
13:47<Franki>ahh, sorry, I overlooked that you wanted it for a period of time :)
13:48<myki>Franki: Just tty..
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13:50<Franki>hmm, sounds like a job for Pam. where is Pam? Pam is just cooking something for me
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14:06<sco50000_>seems whatever i do, i can't share with samba in debian
14:07<sco50000_>can someone help me?
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14:09<chealer>sco50000_: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
14:10<sco50000_>well, samba wasn't installed by default in debian, so i installed it, but no matter what i try in the control center, i can't access anything i share from my windows box
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14:11<hathe|>sco50000_: google for "smaba swat"
14:11<hathe|>*smaba swat
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14:12<ozdeb>hi ! can any1 help me with configuring ipw2200 on etch ?
14:12<ozdeb>breaking my head for 2 days alredy :-\
14:12<nareshov>and ipw3845 got replaced by something else on unstable
14:13<nareshov>somehow I have no idea how to get it work
14:14<chealer>ozdeb: what kind of configuration?
14:14<nareshov>the 3945 thing
14:14<ozdeb>chealer, what do you mean ? I have wireless chip of intel ipw2200
14:14<ozdeb>chealer, I just can't get it to work
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14:15<amphi>nareshov: it needs its own fw - do you have that in /lib/hotplug?
14:15<amphi>nareshov: it may also need a patched mac8011
14:15<hathe|>ozdeb: you need ipw2200-firmware and then (re)load ipw2200
14:15<nareshov>amphi: I'll check sometime soon, on kubuntu ATM :|
14:16<ozdeb>hathe|, I have the firmware in /lib/firmware...
14:16<sco50000_>hmm, smbd wasn't even running...
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14:16<amphi>nareshov: the iwl4965 driver and mac8011 in vanilla .24 work fine, FWIW
14:16<hathe|>ozdeb: if you load ipw2200, what does dmesg tell you?
14:16<ozdeb>hathe|, I have also installed the kernel moduls
14:16<sco50000>how can i get smbd to run at startup?
14:17<chealer>ozdeb: is ipw2200-firmware installed?
14:17<chealer>amphi: mac80211, BTW
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14:17<amphi>chealer: indeed ;)
14:18<ozdeb>chealer, yes.. if I'm corect. I've downloaded ver 2.4 and 3 and put the in /lib/firmware
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14:18<chealer>ozdeb: you'd better verify.
14:19<ozdeb>chealer, how do I verify...
14:19<chealer>ozdeb: what's your favorite package manager?
14:19<ozdeb>hathe|, in order not to spam I sent you dmesg | grep ipw2200 on private
14:19<ozdeb>chealer, doesn't really matter
14:20<ozdeb>apt-get or anything
14:20<chealer>sco50000: it starts in runlevel 2 by default.
14:20<chealer>ozdeb: check in synaptic.
14:20<ozdeb>chealer, check what ?
14:20<sco50000>chealer: i must not have rebooted since i installed samba
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14:22<sco50000>chealer: when i go to smb:// i can see my share, but when i doubleclick it it sasy it doesn't exist
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14:24<chealer>hathe|: is ipw2200-firmware distributed by Debian or what?
14:25<chealer>sco50000: sounds familiar. I usually use smb4k rather than the smb kio.
14:25<sco50000>chealer: what is smb4k?
14:26<chealer>sco50000: "SMB for KDE", GUI for accessing SMB shares.
14:26<ozdeb>chealer, I have ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-5-686 installed and the firmware as I said. but I can't load the firmware
14:26<sco50000>chealer: well, i have KDE so would that be better?
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14:27<chealer>sco50000: it's not necessarily better, but it costs nothing to get both.
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14:27<sco50000>chealer: how do i use smb4k?
14:28<chealer>sco50000: is it installed?
14:28<sco50000>i just installed it
14:28<chealer>sco50000: did you start it?
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14:29<sco50000>will it show up in the K menu?
14:29<maester>so im on my new deabian machine and i installed works with the regular client but im trying to get the vnc java client to work through the browser.... but it doesn't seem to work.... not matter what port number i use
14:29<chealer>sco50000: it should
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14:29<maester>there is no error message or anything like that....just acts like the command is useless (-httpport)
14:30<sco50000>chealer: from smb4k i get this when i try to access that same share:
14:30<sco50000>6780: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
14:30<sco50000>SMB connection failed
14:30<maester>And i know the connection works.... there is a webserver running on the machine which i can connect too....
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14:31<chealer>ozdeb: which ipw2200 version do you have?
14:31<chealer>ozdeb: ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-5-686 is for ipw2100
14:31<maester>so can anyone help?
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14:32<chealer>sco50000: pretty much the same thing as with smb://? you see the share left but you get an error when you click on it?
14:32<sco50000>chealer: yeah
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14:33<ozdeb>chealer I have ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-5-686 installed
14:33<chealer>sco50000: no idea, besides Google.
14:33<sco50000>in the Samba section of the KDE control center, there is nothing under Samba Users in the Users tab. does that mean anything?
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14:34<chealer>ozdeb: OK but I don't know which version that contains. what does /sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version; contain?
14:34<ozdeb>chealer, version: 1.2.0mq
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14:36<chealer>ozdeb: what's the problem?
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14:36<maester>guess not....
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14:38<ozdeb>chealer, I wish I knew ;-) It doesn't work. here's what i get when I run dmesg | grep ipw2200: ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2
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14:38<chealer>ozdeb: did you check Google with that?
14:38<tython>I am trying to install debian with usb disk, but it shows a "Boot Error" message, what's wrong?
14:39<chealer>tython: when?
14:39<ozdeb>chealer, yes it was my first shot. However most post's are out dated and do not work
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14:39<tython>when I restart it.
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14:41<tython>I read the installation guide.
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14:42<tython>first i zcat boot.img.gz > sda (which is my usb disk)
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14:42<tython>then i reboot my laptop.
14:43<tython>It shows "boot error"
14:43<tython>what's wrong with it?
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14:45<chealer>ozdeb: did that message appear after you installed firmware version 3?
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14:46<chealer>tython: you get that when trying to boot the apparently successfully installed system?
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15:07<Plokko>to install a broadcom minipci card the only way is to use ndiswrapper???
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15:08<dondelelcaro>Plokko: depends; the bcm43xx drivers may work.
15:09<Plokko>it's 4100 if i remember well
15:09<hathe|>Plokko: there are two kernel modules as well, depending on your kernel: b43 b43legacy
15:09<Plokko>it's a hp compaq 6720s
15:10<Plokko>it's a very good notebook but this version(some versions(same name and rev lol)have intel)
15:10<Plokko>have the broadcom
15:10<Plokko>ah i'm using deb 4.0 r2 1386
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15:12<Plokko>and intel x3100 vga?
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15:12<hathe|>Plokko: no problem
15:12<Plokko>(deb package plz XD)
15:12<bernardo>how can I execute an application automatically when the system starts?
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15:12<hathe|>Plokko: xserver-xorg-video-intel
15:13<hathe|>bernardo: kde or without wm?
15:13<bernardo>hathe|: gnome
15:13<hathe|>bernardo: I'm out ;)
15:14<bernardo>hathe|: is there a file that I can write the command? like a script...?
15:14<bernardo>hathe|: I think it's pretty much the same...
15:14<hathe|>bernardo: kde has a autostart folder where you can put start scripts in
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15:15<bernardo>hathe|: and where is it?
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15:15<hathe|>bernardo: .kde/Autostart/
15:15<bernardo>hathe|: oh...
15:15<grim_fandango>Has anyone here ever set up Debian to provide GDM via Xvnc/XMDCP ?
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15:15<panagos>i have a box with onboard sound controller with 6 jacks, plus two at the front (one lime and one pink - for headset with microphone). i plug my headset at the front jack, but i don't hear anything! my normal speakers contunie working as usual. how can i hear from my headset, without having to swap cables all the time?
15:16<bernardo>hathe|: I didn't want to write a's just a simple command that I should be a easier way...
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15:16<grim_fandango>panagos: Are you sure your cables inside are connected properly?
15:16<hathe|>bernardo: don't knwo if there is a gnome way, nerver used it
15:17<bernardo>hathe|: ok thanks...i will keep asking :)
15:17<Plokko>but xserver-xorg-video-intel is unstable???
15:17<panagos>grim_fandango: good point :P
15:17<bernardo>how can I execute an application automatically when the system starts (using gnome) ?
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15:18<grim_fandango>panagos: Most newer sound cards are software driven these days ... if that's the case it might be that the driver you're using doesn't know enough to shut off the speakers and reroute output... just a long shot but I've had an issue like that on my laptop before
15:19<grim_fandango>I write that knowing that I read like a complete idiot but I meant "newer sound card outputs are software/driver driven"
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15:19<chealer>Plokko: no, but it's not in stable
15:20<chealer>hathe|, Plokko: xserver-xorg-video-intel is not in stable. xserver-xorg-video-i810 is.
15:21<hathe|>chealer: but i think x3100 is just supportet by -intel
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15:21<hathe|>(but don't knwo for sure)
15:21<chealer>hathe|: yeah, I was thinking about that.
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15:22<panagos>grim_fandango: well, internal connections seem to be fine...
15:22<hathe|>i use -intel since over a year now, forgott about -i810
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15:23<panagos>grim_fandango: do you know of any tests i could make to see if the front jacks are alive? :D
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15:24<grim_fandango>Got a multimeter?
15:24<grim_fandango>Short of that, keep fiddling with it and see if you can get some output :-)
15:25<panagos>grim_fandango: any software method? :D
15:25<grim_fandango>Yeah, I think that's the "fiddling" bit
15:25<grim_fandango>No - you just need to play some music & bring up your mixer
15:25<panagos>grim_fandango: maybe a reboot could help? so that the bios detects the headset... :|
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15:26<grim_fandango>The BIOS doesn't have anything to do with that but you might try rebooting with it plugged in anyway (the audio driver might pick up on it)
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15:31<chealer>Plokko: it's supported by the vesa generic driver, but I don't know if it's supported by i810.
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15:49<Ouroboros>can someone remind me of the name of the archive server where one can get old versions of packages?
15:49<Ouroboros>ah right
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16:28<wickedsmaat>Hello all. I am new at this, hope you all can help. When I install something on my system, and it isn't shown in my "Applications" drop-down menu . . . where the heck is it???
16:29<Schiz0>what window manager are you using?
16:29<Schiz0>kde, gnome?
16:29<Lynoure>wickedsmaat: what was the "something"?
16:30<wickedsmaat>it is "Make Install". I read that with it I can convert .tgz to .rpm
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16:30<Schiz0>make install is how you compile source code.
16:31<wickedsmaat>I don't know how to make the .tgz file work, and I was reading that you can just double click an .rpm file like you can a .deb file and it'll just install.
16:31<wickedsmaat>I was hoping to do that.
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16:32<wickedsmaat>any help?
16:32<Schiz0>well what are you trying to install? what progrma
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16:32<Lynoure>wickedsmaat: where did you get this thing?
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16:32<wickedsmaat>I downloaded it via Synaptic Package Manager.
16:33<wickedsmaat>I'm trying to install a device driver.
16:33<Schiz0>WHAT IS "it"
16:33<wickedsmaat>I downloaded "Make Install" via Synaptic Package Manager.
16:34<wickedsmaat>I suppose an easier avenue would be to just learn how to make the .tgz file work . . . yes???
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16:34<Schiz0>wickedsmaat: Not to be mean, but that doesn't make the least bit of sense...
16:34<Schiz0>what device driver are you trying to install?
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16:35<wickedsmaat>I'm learning . . . I need to hear these things.
16:35<wickedsmaat>what doesn't make sense the learning or the desire to convert the file.
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16:35<Schiz0>"make" is a program that compiles source code.....
16:35<Schiz0><wickedsmaat> I downloaded "Make Install" via Synaptic Package Manager.
16:35<Schiz0>that line doesn't make sense lol
16:35<Schiz0>wickedsmaat: by the way, a .tgz file is an archive, just like a .zip or .rar file
16:36<Lynoure>wickedsmaat: are you sure about the name? not module-assistant or makeself?
16:36<wickedsmaat>Oh, Shit. Sorry. I meant I downloaded "Check Install" via synaptic package manager.
16:36<Lynoure>ah, checkinstall :)
16:38<wickedsmaat>Okay. So I'm going to learning how to make the .tgz file work. Thanks guys!!!
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16:39<Lynoure>hmm, not sure how he got helped, but at least he looked happy =)
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16:42<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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17:30<ReedWood>I own an nvidia an therefore I do not want to load dri extension. I have disabled this in xorg, but it is loaded by default. How do I avoid this?
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17:40<chealer>ReedWood: please provide your xorg.conf?
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17:43<ReedWood>chealer: which is the used pasting service?
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17:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:44<chealer>ReedWood: there's no official one.
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17:47<chealer>ReedWood: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:47<chealer>ReedWood: did you check xorg.conf's manual?
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17:48<ReedWood>chealer: to be honest, no. I thought the problem is something like beeing dri is compiled in by the package maintainer.
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17:48<ReedWood>is the manual the plave to be? :)
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17:49<chealer>ReedWood: it's a module. yes.
17:49<poppen>anyone have any tips for a musicplayer with alarmclock function?
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17:50<amphi>poppen: quodlibet can do that
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17:50<eldowan>poppen: do you have a music player of choice?
17:50<themill>poppen: sleep 6h && aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
17:50<poppen>lol :p
17:50<poppen>i have amarok
17:51<poppen>but ill try the one amphi suggested
17:51<amphi>poppen: python/gtk based
17:51<amphi>poppen: the alarm is a plugin
17:51<themill>poppen: there's probably an amarok plugin script that can do it. Or KOrganiser can send amarok an alarm message
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17:52<eldowan>poppen: amarok has an alarmclock script or plugin
17:52<poppen>it has? i couldnt find it before
17:52<poppen>where should i look?
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17:53<eldowan>poppen: looks like that is a FAQ. Check here:
17:54<eldowan>poppen: looks like it is saying setup kalarm or the calander app to do it.
17:54<eldowan>poppen: And here is a script for amarok
17:54<poppen>thanks alot!
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17:54<poppen>appreciate it
17:54<eldowan>poppen: No probs. :D
17:55<poppen>stupid of me, couldnt find it
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17:55<themill>poppen: you can use the command "dcop amarok player play" from any program or calendar to make amarok start playing.
17:55<poppen>almost sounds easier :)
17:55<poppen>ill try that
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17:56<poppen>run the command as it said in the faq
17:56*themill looks at eldowan's links
17:57<themill>poppen: yeah.. that'll work :) if you run kdcop, you can discover what functions are available yourself. Or run dcop from the command line and hit tab to find it out. tab completion good ;)
17:59<eldowan>poppen: kdcop is great. I even found a key combination to change my backrounds on command. :D
17:59<poppen>hehe cool :P
18:01<eldowan>poppen: in addition to amarok, many kde based apps use dcop including the desktop and soundsystem.
18:01<poppen>i need to learn about dcop more
18:01<poppen>first time i heard it when you guys mentioned it :S
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18:02<lupine_85>not too much point - it's being dropped in favour of the other one
18:03<eldowan>lupine_85: hows that?
18:03<lupine_85>KDE are unifying with gnome on the issue
18:03<lupine_85>I forget what teh other one's called though
18:03<eldowan>lupine_85: really? what is the gnome equiv?
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18:04<lupine_85>snap :p
18:04<themill>!win lupine_85
18:04<dpkg>Congratulations, lupine_85! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
18:04<dpkg>it has been said that dbus is D-BUS, or or #dbus
18:04<themill>but kde3.5 will be around for a while yet so dcop has a fair amount of mileage in it
18:05<eldowan>true, and as long as etch is around, debian will have kdcop, and possibly lenny too depending...
18:05<lupine_85>mm, I prefer dcop to dbus TBH
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18:07<themill>eldowan: kde4 seems unlikely to hit lenny even if lenny does a sarge...
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18:09<eldowan>themill: dbus?
18:10<themill>you mean if lenny is hit by a bus then kde4 might make it in? :)
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18:12<eldowan>yes. yes I do
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18:17<Tarcas>Wouldn't Etch have to be the one to pull a Sarge for KDE4 to make it into Lenny?
18:18*Aleric fixed the metacity "multi-head unidirectional maximized windows " patch, in case anyone is interested.
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18:19<Aleric>In normal English that would be: if you use metacity (the default window manager of gnome) and have two or more monitors (ie, dual-head), and have or want windows that are only horizontally or only vertically maximized (as opposed to fully maximized), then you need this patch.
18:20<Aleric>metacity_2.21.8-svn-egg-aleric-17_amd64.deb etc
18:21<chealer>Aleric: attach it to the bug report.
18:21<Aleric>I am communicating with upstream - and they are as subborn as hell.
18:21<Tarcas>Aleric: So you mean that it will mazimize to one screen, and not fill both/all screens? If so, excellent. :-)
18:22<Aleric>Non of the metacity developers use dual-head NOR do they use partially maximized windows.
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18:22<Aleric>I wrote this patch two years ago... it's still not reviewed, let alone committed.
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18:23<Aleric>I just fix the collision every now and then :/
18:24<Aleric>Anyone remotely interested to get unidirectionally maximized windows in metacity, please read:
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18:25<Aleric>If you also need dual-head support, then we need this patch (which I was talking about just now):
18:25<chealer>!tell Aleric about enter
18:25<Tarcas>Tell Metacity to get with the times. Dual heads are virtually required in some circumstances, and if Linux is ever supposed to become a mainstream desktop-capable OS, it needs robust multi-monitor support.
18:25<kop>Aleric : I've lost intrest in metaticy. It's entirely too dumbed-down.
18:25<Aleric>I don't like wrapped urls, chealer.
18:26<chealer>Aleric: that doesn't prevent you from sending 3 sentences without URL-s in a single message.
18:28<Aleric>If I hit <return> after a '.', the end of a sentence-- and then wait/ think of the next thing I want to say (or, possibly, someone else to say something)-- then that is called "chatting", chealer. This is IRC. The 'C' stands for Chat.
18:28<Aleric>Get real man.
18:28<kop>chealer : I think it's fair to use enter at the end of a sentence. After all, a sentence is supposed to be a complete thought. If you've compleated a thought, well, you don't necessarly know when the next one is going to turn up. Sometimes a little thinking is required.
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18:28<Aleric>If anyone only hits enter when he's done with a sentence, it's me.
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18:29<chealer>Aleric: you weren't chatting, it was a monologue.
18:30<kop>chealer :)
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18:30<eldowan>Aleric: the end of a sentence doesn't mean that a return is neccessary. it is a convention of this channel, and we try to respect those Analeric
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18:32<Aleric>I don't hit enter after every sentence. I only do so when I have to think more before I know what to type next, as I just clearly said. Are we talking about metacity or are going to go on and on and on about this totally ridiculous 'enter' thing? It's not like I typed like THIS: (which is what the factiod is REALLY meant for):
18:32<Aleric>I am just
18:32<Aleric>trying to make
18:32<Aleric>a point
18:33<themill>dpkg: greet gasparzenhox
18:33<dpkg>Welcome, gasparzenhox
18:33<gasparzenhox>somebody knows the kurumin distro?
18:34<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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18:34<gene2>i'm running etch and i really need glibc 2.4 or higher, is there some way I can upgrade to it, without upgrading to lenny?
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18:35<chealer>gasparzenhox: yes
18:35<themill>gene2: no, not really.
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18:35<chealer>gene2: yes
18:35<gene2>chealer: how
18:35<eldowan>kurumin has a nifty tux :D
18:36<chealer>gene2: you can setup a stable/testing mix or download and install the package(s) you need from testing manually.
18:36<gene2>glic has a huge dependency
18:37<gene2>almost the entire OS revolvs around it
18:37<themill>chealer: a stable/testing mix is pretty non-trivial now that testing has drifted so far. And the main bit of the drift is glibc.
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18:37<gene2>when is lenny expected to be released?
18:37<gene2>1-2 years?
18:38<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>.
18:38<dpkg>from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
18:38<dpkg>it has been said that siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?
18:38<chealer>themill: in general, but not for packages with few dependencies like libc6.
18:38<support>how to enable site in ubuntu server? I tried sudo ad2ssite sitename but it says *** already disable
18:38<dpkg>well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
18:39<chealer>!tell support about ubuntu
18:39<gene2>soooo 1 year is a safe bet?
18:39<themill>chealer: umm...... rdepends for libc6 are nontrivial though
18:40<chealer>themill: it's not the rdepends that matter for a mix, it's the depends.
18:40<Tarcas>gene2: do you need to stick with Etch, or would upgrading to Lenny be reasonable? If you need the newer glibc, it might not be a bad idea.
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18:41<gene2>Tarcas: I did come accross an issue with Lenny a month ago, it might have been my fault so on that machine I rolled back to etch and was happy ever since
18:41<gene2>Tarcas: I'm sitting here waiting for a new HDD to arive in the next hour or so and I will begin installing lenny on a seperate drive
18:41<Tarcas>gene2: Bear in mind, in a month your issue may have been fixed. Check the bug reports and you might find that it has.
18:42<Tarcas>Very nice. :-)
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18:43<chealer>gene2: maybe 70% safe
18:44<gene2>Tarcas: I doubt that if it is an issue it will be EVER fixed, i'm running a library from windows under a statically compiled binary that uses that lib and that does some work and displays this.
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18:44<gene2>The issue is, last time I installed lenny I downloaded latest kernel from and compiled it, and I think that was my problem, since the headers did not match
18:44<Tarcas>Ah, so the upgrade regressed what you were needing. :-( If that's all that broke, you can probably downgrade the package/library that you need to make this work.
18:44<gene2>with etch, I just download debian source and recompile with my options
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18:45<Tarcas>gene2: Custom patch, or just custom config?
18:45<chealer>dpkg: no, when will lenny release is <reply>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>.
18:45<dpkg>okay, chealer
18:45<gene2>unfortantly it's very complicated and unless my video card driver still compiled with wrong headers I'm sure everything else was correct.
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18:46<gasparzenhox>when Bush will die
18:47<gene2>Tarcas: well, for a certain type of mpeg4 there is no decoder that decodes it in linux, only one is for windows, someone create a hack to make it work under linux, works fine for me under etch and I had major issues with lenny where it would seem like it's decoding but nothing was happening
18:47<dkr>gasparzenhox: if you have a debian question, feel free to ask it. this isn't a politics channel
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18:48<Maulkin>gene2: incorrect. There do exist mpeg4 decoders.
18:49<Tarcas>I'm trying to get my four Ethernet cards to have symlinked names per udev. kern.log is showing me (for each NIC) device_rename: sysfs_create_symlink failed (-17)
18:49<Tarcas>Any ideas?
18:49<gene2>Maulkin: No you are incorrect
18:49<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: uh.. you don't create symlinks for ethernet cards
18:49<gene2>Maulkin: I said a certain type of mpeg4
18:49<Maulkin>gene2: I assume you're speaking of WMV9.HD
18:50<gene2>Maulkin: if you find that h.264 paff interlaced
18:50<Maulkin>Just h.264 paff?
18:50<gene2>no interlaced
18:50<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: you can rename them if you want, though (that's what the z25-persistent-net.rules or whatever is for).
18:50<Tarcas>dondelelcaro: What's the symlink option in udev for then? I figured it would let me reference the same card with multiple names.
18:50*Maulkin decodes that in 1080i and p every day.
18:50<gene2>So. only about couple weeks ago ffmpeg added it to trunk, still doesn't work for anyone
18:50<Tarcas>That's the file I'm editing.
18:50<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: it's for actual devices
18:51<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: like drives and such. Network cards are a bit weird.
18:51<Tarcas> a NIC not an actual device/
18:51<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: it doesn't have an entry in /dev, no.
18:51<Maulkin>gene2: I don't use ffmpeg to decode it
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18:51<gene2>Maulkin: what do you use? i'm sure it's a different stream
18:51<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: what symlink does is create a literal symlink to the device in /def
18:51<Tarcas>So it doesn't. I never noticed that before. How does that work, anyway? I thought all devices were in /dev.
18:51<Maulkin>gene2: bear in mind I work for a company that makes set top boxes... I may just know what I'm talking about here :)
18:52<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: everything that we normally call a device is, yes. Network cards are just a little weird, though.
18:52<gene2>so which company uses h.264 paff interlaced and uses linux?
18:52<themill>Maulkin: if you know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be on IRC... tutt tutt!
18:53<Maulkin> boxes can handle them fine
18:53<Tarcas>dondelelcaro: you meantioned that. I'd love to learn more. Why is this the case?
18:53<eldowan>Maulkin: using dedicated HW?
18:53<gene2>Maulkin: i'm not talking about iptv
18:54<Maulkin>gene2: What does iptv have to do with it?
18:54<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: I'm not entirely sure, actually. The main reason, AFAICT is because it's not exactly useful to send raw data out of a network card
18:54<Maulkin>eldowan: hardware and software.
18:54<dondelelcaro>(but that's not much of an argument)
18:54<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: the other half is because for a long time a single ip was associated with a single device name
18:54<eldowan>Maulkin: aah. I believe he was talking about a regular system with just sw decoders.
18:54<Maulkin>eldowan: Yup, do that :)
18:56<Tarcas>dondelelcaro: The raw data part is a good point. Sounds like a good way to confuse other devices on the network. You could always do a subinterface sort of thing for a device, but then I suppose you'd wind up with one for each TCP port and each UDP port. Eew.
18:57<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: yeah; it's probably also a historical thing, as early unices likely didn't expose the network devices as nodes in /dev... but someone older than me can probably give the real reason.
18:57<dondelelcaro>(I can only tell you the way it is, in this case, not why it's that way)
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18:59<Tarcas>I guess since that file sets things up as consistent eth# names anyway, this will be safe, but I'd have loved to be able to address NICs in my firewall script as "internal" and "external" and "wireless etc.
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19:01<Tarcas>dondelelcaro: Even after removing the symlinks from the z25 file, I'm still getting those errors for device_rename.
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19:10<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: what are the contents of your z25 file?
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19:11<Tarcas>it's back to default (or should be) Eth0 is firewire, then eth 1 and 2 are my gig-E cards, and 3 and 4 are my 100 Mbps ones.
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19:12<Tarcas>each with subsystem=net, drivers = "?*" attrs{address}=mac and the device name.
19:12<Tarcas>I did find one typo I left... one more reboot before I have you spend too much time on this.
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19:13<Tarcas>Yeah, I saw the 4 failed lines scroll by as it booted.
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19:19<dondelelcaro>Tarcas: use a paste site to paste the full contents if you wish, or just delete that file and have it get regenerated on boot
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19:20<dondelelcaro>(well, truncate the file, actually)
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19:28<sun>hi id like to burn a dvd of about 200+ 2mb jpgs from my camera to read from windows, is there a simple gui app for this? xcdroast has burned several duds, i cant get it to do a basic data dvd which can be read from windows
19:29<lupine_85>sun: k3b
19:29<Tarcas>dondelelcaro: It's on
19:29<themill>k3b is a good program to use for that, but the backend is probably the same.
19:29<themill>sun: ^^ try getting it to make an image file first and burning at a slower speed
19:29<lupine_85>it could pass it saner options, though.
19:30*lupine_85 doesn't know how he coped before buffer underrun protection
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19:30<lupine_85>I can't remember my last coaster
19:30<sun>i see all kinds of options on xcdroast but i dont know which to set for a windows-readable dvd?
19:31<lorenzod8n>oops, sorry for the noise..
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19:32<elirips>hi people. I'm using Debian Etch. Whenever I connect my sony ericsson K810i with the usb-cable to my thinkpad the phone crashes, I have to remove the Sim-card, place it again and reboot the phone.. maybe someone knows a solution?
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19:41<linuxpoet>anyone around that is interesting in help organize a DebDay at LinuxWorld 08?
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19:44<Maulkin>linuxpoet: Location? Time?
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19:45<Aleric>Does anyone know how to use a CD rom with QEMU/KVM ?
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19:47<linuxpoet>Maulkin: August 5th or 6th
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19:47<Maulkin>Probably not then, it'll be debconf
19:47<linuxpoet>hmm 6th actually
19:47<Maulkin>Ask someone in the US :)
19:47<linuxpoet>That is what I am trying to do ;)
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19:48<Maulkin>Something like that
19:48<linuxpoet>I guess I could just up to ubuntu
19:48<lupine_85>Aleric: -cdrom /path/to/file
19:48<Colypso>i cant hear my cd when i try to play it
19:48<linuxpoet>Maulkin: that might work (note that I know very little about debian)
19:48<linuxpoet>I will send that email
19:48<Colypso>other sounds work
19:48<Maulkin>linuxpoet: hang on
19:48<Aleric>lupine_85: thanks
19:49<Colypso>can anyone help
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19:50<Colypso>can anybody in here help me with a sound problem
19:50<Maulkin>linuxpoet: also, location?
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19:51<Maulkin>linuxpoet: and you may be better off in #debian-devel
19:51<Maulkin>(you're lucky I noticed you here :P)
19:51<scorphus>hello. Is it yet somehow possible to install and use Xen dom0 on Debian?
19:51<scorphus>it really looks pretty intangible for me
19:52<Maulkin>Colypso: use alsamixer, make sure it's volume is raides. Also make sure the special sound cable is plugged in
19:52<Maulkin>scorphus: yes
19:52<scorphus>Maulkin: I'm using sid btw
19:52<scorphus>Maulkin: thanks for the link
19:52<Colypso>i dont see alsamixer
19:52<Maulkin>Top link on google for 'debian xen'
19:53<Maulkin>Colypso: make sure the cable is plugged in
19:53<Colypso>what cable
19:53<Colypso>i hear every other sound
19:53<scorphus>Maulkin: gotta be kidding... let me check
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19:54*scorphus hopes this article guides him in a right direction
19:54<Maulkin>if not, search
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19:56<scorphus>sure. Thanks again, Maulkin
19:57*scorphus always feels lost when he faces something new (at least new to him :)
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20:05<Aleric>I added -cdrom /dev/cdrom but it's still now working.
20:06<Aleric>I'm running windows XP inside QEMU/KVM, and it's asking for a disk while there is a disk in the cdrom drive.
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20:25<Colypso>do i have to have a cable from the back of my cd drive to hear a cd in linux
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20:27<konqui_89>does anyone know a good server for knoppix support?
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20:28<gsimmons>konqui_89: #knoppix at
20:28<keratacon>is it possible to change the resolution of the screen outside of X (that is more rows & columns at a non-graphical login or alt-F1 etc.) ?
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20:29<alyx>keratacon, look for framebuffer in google
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20:30<dpkg>framebuffer is, like, a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
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20:32<scorphus>another non-working article. I'm beginning to believe that my hardware doesn't support Xen
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20:37<eldowan>keratacon: are you talking of higher text mode resolution?
20:38<eldowan>keratacon: at boot, append the vga paramater to the bootmode:
20:39<eldowan>keratacon: append the vga= line to the kernel line for grub
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20:40<eldowan>keratacon: vga=773 is 256 color 1024x768 (much higher than normal textmode)
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20:41<keratacon>ok, updated grub, going to try it
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20:41<x|e>whats the best way to recover files I deleted?
20:42<gsimmons>x|e: Restore them from your backups.
20:42<dpkg>it has been said that undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
20:43<x|e>i used trash bin in kde actually
20:43<eldowan>x|e: you might try to use chattr in the future.
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20:43<x|e>and cleared it accidently
20:43<eldowan>x|e: emptied the trash? woe to you
20:43<x|e>no getting it back then huh
20:45<eldowan>x|e: you might try asking the system really, really nice to return the file it took by mistake. Might work.
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20:46<x|e>ok ill give it a try
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20:54<keratacon>well that was easy.
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20:58<keratacon>second question: is there a good gui wireless network manager not for Gnome (even better, for Window Maker)?
20:58<dondelelcaro>keratacon: network-manager is what most people use, and it will work with widow maker.
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20:59<dondelelcaro>(I personally don't, prefering to just use /etc/network/interfaces, but go figure)
20:59<ozatomic>SI there a way to setup a crontab to work everyhour between 0700 - 1900?
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21:01<dondelelcaro>ozatomic: yes.
21:01<dondelelcaro>ozatomic: man 5 crontab; for details, if you're still having trouble, show us your best attempt.
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21:02<ozatomic>0 */1,7-19 * * *
21:03<ozatomic>would that work?
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21:03<eldowan>keratacon: the vga= line worked like a charm, no?
21:03<dondelelcaro>ozatomic: you actually want 0 7-19 * * *
21:04<keratacon>thanks again
21:04<ozatomic>oh ok yeah stupid me if i do 7-19 it will do it every hour anyway :( thanks
21:04<eldowan>keratacon: np. I keep that as a bookmark for just this occasion. I remember how much of a PIA it was to find it the first time.
21:04<keratacon>however, i'm being an idiot here and can't figure out the command to launch a graphical network-manager.
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21:04<dondelelcaro>ozatomic: the second field is the hour field, and so any time that the hour is 7-19, it will work.
21:05<keratacon>yeah there are certain topics the search terms for which are just so common as to be impossible to research
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21:05<porky_t>anyone know a place i could find some info on why an asm program is saying my libc is corrupt?
21:06<ozatomic>thanks dondelelcaro
21:06<porky_t>it's really tiny, running 64 bit debian etch
21:06<cybersatan>is it the official debian chat room
21:06<dondelelcaro>cybersatan: there really isn't one
21:06<keratacon>so dondelelcaro, how do i launch network-manager. the package just seems to be a daemon and a gnome tray application
21:07<dondelelcaro>(and the second question is, does it matter?)
21:07<eldowan>keratacon: have you checked network-manager ?
21:07<keratacon>yes, "network-manager" at the command line does nothing
21:07<keratacon>nm-tool reports networks, but doesn't *do* anything
21:08<dondelelcaro>it should be nm-applet to start the systray thingie
21:08<keratacon>but i'm in window maker and i don't have a systray
21:08<dondelelcaro>WM has a systray, iirc.
21:08<keratacon>it has the dock
21:08<keratacon>which doesn't seem to take gnome tray applications
21:08<dondelelcaro>it does if you're running docker, iirc.
21:09<keratacon>ok i'll try that
21:09<cybersatan>to produce music in debian what kernel type is better. realtime or low-lantency?
21:09<dondelelcaro>cybersatan: doesn't really matter in most cases
21:09<ozatomic>did anyone goto the LCA Debian conf yesterday?
21:09<eldowan>keratacon: hmm, and the package is installed of course.?
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21:10<dondelelcaro>cybersatan: a realtime kernel may help in specific instances when you have problems with dynamic latency, but unless your system is heavily loaded, that's generally not a problem.
21:10<keratacon>yeah docker did it
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21:10<keratacon>thanks for the tip about docker, there are probably a couple other gnome tray apps i wouldn't mind having
21:11<keratacon>this is one of the best things about debian vs. ubuntu these days. much higher signal to noise ratio in user discussion.
21:12<cybersatan>i am play the electric guitar and test apt-build
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21:12<cybersatan>is this moment
21:13<dondelelcaro>that bit shouldn't matter
21:13<dondelelcaro>the only time you care is when you're using the computer to do things like act as a synth or process audio in real time
21:13<dondelelcaro>(and in which cases you wouldn't be building stuff on the machine anyway)
21:14<keratacon>recording multiple simultaneous audio inputs while simulating effects on some can tax the hell out of a system
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21:14<keratacon>but i don't have any experience doing that on linux
21:14<dondelelcaro>yeah, it really depends what you're doing
21:15<dondelelcaro>if you're using a good audio system with good DSPs, you can do an amazing amount. [The Hamerfall cards are a pretty good example of this.]
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21:16<cybersatan>i don't this model in my country
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21:16<dondelelcaro>RME MAKES THEM
21:16<cybersatan>i don't this known model in my country
21:16<dondelelcaro>err, shift got jammed; sorry.
21:17<cybersatan>sorry for my english
21:17<porky_t> can anybody explain why this is an error?
21:17<keratacon>where you from, cybersatan? your english is fine.
21:17<keratacon>better than my (any other language).
21:17<cybersatan>i am chilean
21:17<cybersatan>south america
21:17<porky_t>did the c calling convention change for 64 bit or something? uses registers to pass values etc, or why's the c library with c work fine
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21:19<Jumpyshoes>is it possible to permenatly delete a daemon from linux?
21:19<dondelelcaro>Jumpyshoes: depends on the daemon; if nothing else depends on it, you can just purge the package that provides it.
21:19<cybersatan>yeah Jumpyshoes
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21:20<Jumpyshoes>i'm trying to remove AppleTalk
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21:20<Jumpyshoes>i accidently installed it
21:21<Jumpyshoes>but it seems that there are a few packages depedent on it...
21:22<dondelelcaro>Jumpyshoes: so aptitude purge netatalk;
21:24<cybersatan>is true when in ubuntu 5.10 or loder is possible change to real debian
21:24<cybersatan>is true when in ubuntu 5.10 or older is possible change to real debian
21:24<SeveredCross>Uh, technically you should be able to go from Ubuntu Gutsy to Debian Sid.
21:25<SeveredCross>90% of packages have the same name.
21:25<keratacon>that would probably be a lot more work than just backing up your home folder and doing a fresh install
21:25<SeveredCross>Never said it wouldn't. :-)
21:26<keratacon>i've always wanted to try step-by-step transforming an installation of one distribution into a totally different one
21:26<keratacon>like Suse into Gentoo
21:26<porky_t>ah sorry about that, i thought /lib/ was the default linker name, but i guess that changes on x86_64
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21:26<chealer>cybersatan: did you try #debian-es ?
21:27<cybersatan>is pure lamers
21:28<chealer>cybersatan: if you speak spanish, the people in #debian-es will understand you better than us and may help more.
21:29<SeveredCross>keratacon: SuSE into Gentoo? That sounds about as much fun as having a frontal lobotomy.
21:29<cybersatan>for freenode or other server
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21:30<chealer>cybersatan: there's a #debian-es on this server. maybe freenode has one too.
21:30<cybersatan>you talk spanish chealer
21:30<chealer>cybersatan: hardly
21:31<cybersatan>debian on spanish in other server
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21:35<cybersatan>read the link please
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21:41<Colypso>i am new to linux. which version is best for a noob with now experience wih linux
21:42<dooder>colypso: depends on what you want to do...
21:43<chealer>Colypso: on which PC do you want to use it?
21:43<Colypso>a desktop pc
21:43<chealer>Colypso: about when was it built?
21:44<chealer>Colypso: Debian 4.0
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21:44<Colypso>thats what i have
21:44<Colypso>i dont know how to install anything with it
21:44<keratacon>Colypso: Ubuntu, it's Debian for the slightly-less computer literate
21:44<keratacon>colypso: run synaptic, search for what you want
21:45<Trebu>any one want to help me with a problem?
21:45<gsimmons>!tell Colypso -about grounding
21:45<chealer>!tell Trebu about anyone
21:46<chealer>keratacon: Ubuntu is not a Debian version.
21:46<keratacon>unlike windows, you don't download and run installers. Debian maintains a repository of the most commonly installed software. You get programs from there.
21:46*Trebu is confused
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21:46<keratacon>I know, but it's based on Debian, and uses the same package management. Someone who learns their way around one system will feel very at home on the other.
21:46<cybersatan>good bye for all
21:47<keratacon>I've gone Debian -> Ubuntu -> Debian
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21:47<gsimmons>Trebu: You'll need to describe your problem before anyone can help you with it.
21:47<Trebu>x server failed to start
21:48<Trebu>fatal server error: no screens found
21:48*Xenguy did Redhat -> Debian -> Ubuntu -> Debian...
21:48<Jumpyshoes>im considering gentoo...
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21:49<gravity>Trebu: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin or a website somewhere that we can see it?
21:49<keratacon>well ok yeah, Slackware -> Redhat -> Mandrake -> Debian -> Ubuntu -> Debian
21:49<Xenguy>Jumpyshoes: do you like to compile, a lot ? :-)
21:49<keratacon>and I've usually got a Gentoo installation going somewhere
21:49<Trebu>i can try
21:49<Jumpyshoes>no DX
21:49<Jumpyshoes>especially not huge packages
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21:50<Jumpyshoes>like openoffice
21:50<keratacon>gentoo is a tremendous amount of fun to install... the slowness of package installation & upgrade makes it kind of a pain to use.
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21:50<keratacon>but the installation process is one of the best ways to learn about linux
21:52<Colypso>i guess i just need to go back to windblows
21:52<Colypso>linux is too complicated for me
21:52<Colypso>i tried
21:52<gravity>Trebu: Please ask questions in here so everyone can answer
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21:53<Trebu>what do i run to get to post to pastebin?
21:53<jello>abrotman: just got your bug...
21:53<abrotman>jello: sorry ...
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21:53<jello>heh :)
21:53<abrotman>jello: do they make sense?
21:53<Xenguy>Colypso: use 'synaptic'...
21:53<Xenguy>too late, whatever
21:54<abrotman>jello: if you need more info on either .. let me know
21:54<gravity>Trebu: You can use a text mode web browser like elinks
21:54<jello>abrotman: i only got one...
21:54<abrotman>jello: i sent two
21:54<jello>maybe the other is still coming...
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21:55<Trebu>how do i start elinks?
21:55<abrotman>jello: the weird bit .. my yahoo got one autoresponder for one .. and the other just my copy of the bug
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21:55<Jumpyshoes>Trebu-noob: elinks
21:55<Jumpyshoes>and if you dont have it
21:55<Jumpyshoes>apt-get install elinks
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21:56<Jumpyshoes>if elinks is graphical
21:56<Jumpyshoes>you need to startx
21:56<gravity>It's not
21:56<abrotman>jello: should i resend?
21:56<jello>nah, give it some time
21:56<jello>SMTP on bugs.d.o is usually about an hour slow
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21:56<jello>at least
21:57<abrotman>i'll just double check before i go to bed
21:57<jello>worst case, i get two and merge them :0
21:57<abrotman>or close one as "submitter is moron"
21:57<jello>heh, nah...i've been there too many times in the past :)
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22:02<abrotman>jello: the odd bit .. i sent the other one first
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22:10<gravity>Trebu-noob: Ok, can you also put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a pastebin?
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22:10<Trebu-noob>i can try
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22:10<gravity>Trebu-noob: I think I know what the problem is. An easy fix may just be to run, as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. When it asks you if you want to use the framebuffer, say no. For all the others just hit enter.
22:10<gravity>Trebu-noob: But looking at your xorg.conf may confirm this
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22:13<gravity>Ah, ok
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22:14<Trebu-noob>so no to framebuffer
22:14<gravity>Trebu-noob: So you'll have to edit your xorg.conf by hand. Try adding, in the "Device" section, a line that says 'Option "UseFBDev" "false"' (without the enclosing single quotes)
22:15<gravity>Another option is to try and get the framebuffer devices in place where they're expected to be
22:15<Trebu-noob>which device?
22:15<gravity>Trebu-noob: The video device, that selects the ati driver
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22:16<Trebu-noob>and where is xorg.conf located?
22:16<gravity>Trebu-noob: The same place you just pasted it from.
22:16<gravity>Trebu-noob: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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22:18<Trebu-noob>after that save exit and restart?
22:18<gravity>Save and run startx
22:19<gravity>You almost never have to restart
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22:19<Trebu-noob>i got a flash of something then the screen went black
22:19<gravity>No X though?
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22:20<abrotman>IT WAS LIONS!
22:20<Trebu-noob>is that a black screen?
22:20<gravity>Heh, no
22:20<gravity>Ok, so remove that line from your xorg.conf. The next best thing is to actually get the fbdev stuff working
22:20<Trebu-noob>how do i get back there?
22:20<gravity>what do you mean?
22:20*Trebu-noob has nothing on the screen
22:20<gravity>Are you not at the terminal?
22:20<gravity>Aw crap
22:21<gravity>Try ctrl-alt-backspace
22:21<gravity>If not that, then alt-2 or ctrl-alt-2
22:21<gravity>If none of those, then just restart :-\
22:21<Trebu-noob>restart it is
22:22<gravity>Shit, you may have to do the init=/bin/sh trick, which sucks
22:22<gravity>Well, it's not a big deal, it's just kind of annoying
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22:22<Trebu-noob>a similar thing happened when i first installed
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22:22<Trebu-noob>so i installed with the video option
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22:24<Trebu-noob>i get the same black screen but it beeps when i hit return
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22:31<gravity>Trebu-noob: So do you see anything after reboot or is it just the black screen?
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22:31<Trebu-noob>just the black screen
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22:32<Trebu-noob>i can see the start up but after its just black
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22:33<gravity>And you can't use alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-2 to get to console?
22:33<Trebu-noob>i'm sure i have the login screen i just cant see it
22:34<Trebu-noob>and i cant use those key combos to get anywhere
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22:35<gravity>Ok, try logging in as root without looking and see if you can run the command "rm /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm
22:35<Trebu-noob>i even tried the av out to the tv, its not configured :(
22:35<gravity>Then reboot if you think you could do it
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22:35<gravity>If we disable X trying to start then you should be able to see the console. Disabling gdm on boot will achieve that
22:36<Trebu-noob>im restarting first incase the key combos did something
22:36<gravity>In case it wasn't obvious, you don't need the " in the command. I forgot to put the closing quote on, but they're not meant to be actually entered
22:37*Trebu-noob isn't that noob
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22:38<Trebu-noob>is the beep a good or bad noise?
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22:39<gravity>Depends on context
22:39*eldowan thinks Trebu-noob should have asked it in the form of wiz of Oz. Are you a good beep or a bad beep
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22:39<Trebu-noob>every second enter/return it beeps
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22:41<Trebu-noob>i dont think i'm able to log in
22:41<gravity>Damn it
22:42<Trebu-noob>is there a way to boot from the cd and edit from that?
22:42<gravity>You can pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel at boot, remove the gdm-starting symlink I mentioned earlier
22:42<gravity>But that's hard.
22:42<dpkg>from memory, single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
22:43<Miasmoid>Hi there. Might anyone know if there is a good way to get wpa_supplicant to change the interface's MAC address based on the SSID of the AP it intends to associate with?
22:43<Miasmoid>wpa_supplicant + any appropriate other tools, that is.
22:44<Trebu-noob>hard is easer then reinstalling
22:44<gravity>A rescue CD might work. I think the boot media allows that these days
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22:44<abrotman>jello: i'm going to re-submit .. if you get two .. kill me later
22:44<Trebu-noob>restart from the install cd
22:45<gravity>Trebu-noob: Sure, that's worth a shot. You need to try removing /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm on your installed filesystem
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22:47<Trebu-noob>i've got yaboot boot image options, linux or old
22:49<eldowan>abrotman: still working on your maximize bug?
22:49<abrotman>eldowan: no .. fceu isn't compatible with my laptop keyboard ..
22:49<eldowan>abrotman: well that sucks
22:50<abrotman>though ..
22:50<abrotman>i may have just solved part of it
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22:50<abrotman>for some stupid reason .. my numlock light doesn't light up even if the numlock is on
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22:51<Trebu-noob>is there a key combo i can hold to boot to command line?
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22:51<mr-chuck>abrotman is problem for your BIOS
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22:52<amigappc>hi, anybody can help me with ubuntu and a sound problem
22:52<amigappc>hi, anybody can help me with ubuntu and a sound problem ß
22:52<abrotman>amigappc: #ubuntu
22:52<abrotman>i don't think it's a bios problem
22:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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22:53<amigappc>ok thanks guys. have a good night
22:53<kapil>abrotman: does the light come on in console mode? then it may be a problem with your X keyboard settings.
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22:55<Trebu-noob>i can boot from the cd into rescue
22:55<Aleric>I can't mount any cdrom anymore :/
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22:56<abrotman>kapil: dunno
22:56<abrotman>jello: i think i made a booboo
22:56<Aleric>Trebu-noob: with the right kernel parameters, you can boot single user mode.
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22:57<Trebu-noob>what do i do?
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22:59<Aleric>What is the problem?
22:59<Trebu-noob>black screen
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23:00<Trebu-noob>no command line visible
23:00<kapil>Trebu-noob: if you are in rescue mode, then mount your hard drive and remove /etc/init.d/S*{g,x,k}dm as suggested above. After that you should be able to boot into console mode.
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23:00<kapil>kapil: oops! sorry that should be /etc/rc2.d/S*{g,x,k}dm
23:01<Aleric>Trebu-noob: it shows some text while booting, before the screen goes black, right?
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23:01<Aleric>Yeah, then your X drivers are screwed. Just do what kapil says and boot without X.
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23:02<Trebu-noob>so i should type 'rm /etc/init.d/S*{g,x,k}dm'?
23:03<Trebu-noob>what is the modifier to ls by page
23:03<Aleric>ls | less
23:04<Aleric>or if you don't have less, ls | more
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23:04<Aleric>rm /etc/rc*.d/S*{g,x,k}dm
23:04<Aleric>I guess
23:05<jello>AbsintheSyringe2: booboos happen :)
23:05<dmg>what does * represent?
23:05<Trebu-noob>how do i exit after less
23:05<Aleric>It's a wildcard
23:06<dmg>when do you put it on ?
23:06<Aleric>Trebu-noob: ^C should work
23:06<Aleric>Or maybe 'q'
23:06<Trebu-noob>q did it
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23:07<jello>g'night all
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23:07<Trebu-noob>cannot remove no such file or dir
23:07<twb>One two hosts with different hardware, one can play two audio streams concurrently, and the other returns access errors to /dev/dsp for the second stream. Is this a hardware deficiency, or can I fix it by installing some inscrutably-named package? ISTR it is the latter.
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23:17<Trebu-noob>i have a k01gdm in rc6.d
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23:17<Trebu-noob>but thats it for *dm 's
23:18<twb>Trebu-noob: that should be an uppercase K
23:19<Trebu-noob>it is sry
23:19<twb>!tell Trebu-noob -about sry
23:19<twb>I was hoping for something more vitriolic.
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23:23<Trebu-noob>so i'm apparently trying to stop x server from booting into a black screen after i restart. want to help?
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23:25<Trebu-noob>what is nano's equivalent in the rescue boot?
23:25<chealer>what's the problem?
23:26<Trebu-noob>originally x server would have a fatal error
23:27<Trebu-noob>fixed that by not being able to see the fatal error message if it had one/
23:27<Trebu-noob>so i restarted used the install cd to boot into rescue
23:27<twb>Trebu-noob: please pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
23:29<Trebu-noob>can i apt-get in the rescue terminal ?
23:30<DaCapn>Anyone ever have any issues with etch on dual core machines? (specifically I have a e6550) Nothing seems to indicate that both cores are detected and being used. Also the frequency scaling (which my cpu supports) does not appear to be active.
23:31<Trebu-noob>and for the /etc/X11/xorg.conf ->
23:31<amphi>//proc/cpuinfo would show two cores if the kernel supported them
23:34<DaCapn>yeah, doesn't appear there either, I guess I'll have to delve into that, then. Thanks.
23:35<gsimmons>DaCapn: Which kernel are you currently using? (`uname -r')
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23:38<DaCapn>Well I'm going to just do a fresh install anyway because this installation was with some older hardware and I mucked a lot up trying to fix my video card settings (video card turned out to be broken).
23:39<DaCapn>I'm using 2.6.18 but I think I'll use 2.6.21, probably just use one of those kmuto netinst discs
23:40<twb>Trebu-noob: looks like you have Option "fbdev" "enable" or something in xorg.conf, but not actually enabled fbdev at boot
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23:41<Trebu-noob>so how do i rectify this?
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23:42*Trebu-noob has to let the dog out
23:44<twb>Pastebin your xorg.conf
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23:50<Trebu-noob>and for the /etc/X11/xorg.conf ->
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23:51<Trebu-noob>although those are old ones
23:51<Trebu-noob>not posted from the rescue terminal
23:52<Trebu-noob>elinks works nano does not
23:52<twb>Trebu-noob: that's bizarre
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23:53<twb>Try adding this line line
23:53<twb>Option "UseFBDev" "off" immediately after Driver "ati"
23:53<twb>That SHOULD be the default anyway
23:56<Trebu-noob>what should i use to edit?
23:56<Trebu-noob>nano's not working
23:56<soberon>Good evening... Please: Exist a Debian distro with IceWM?
23:57<Trebu-noob>error opening terminal: bterm
23:58<streuner_>soberon: How about to install Debian and IceWM? should be easier
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23:59<soberon>Yes thanks... I did it but not so succesfully
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