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00:00<Trebu-noob>twb: what should i use for an editor?
00:00<soberon>Or... A tutorial for thas installation?
00:01<streuner_>apt-get install <package> is usually enough, docs are (default for debian) in /usr/share/doc/<package>
00:02<twb>Trebu-noob: cat
00:02<Trebu-noob>how do i edit?
00:03<soberon>Thanks streuner_
00:03<gsimmons>soberon: See also the "IceWM FAQ and Howto": <>.
00:03<Trebu-noob>twb: is "off" the same as "false"?
00:04<twb>Trebu-noob: I think so
00:04<Trebu-noob>that is what i added before the screen turned black
00:04<chealer>Trebu-noob: whatever editor you prefer
00:05<Trebu-noob>nano and emacs are not working
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00:05<soberon>gsimmons: Maybe that's just the answer... Thanks a lot
00:06<dpkg>it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
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00:07<streuner_>soberon: usually you create ~/.xsession (touch ~/.xsession) and make an entry there (see docs of the package itself what you need)
00:10<Trebu-noob>when i run nano i get this error: "Error opening terminal: bterm"
00:10<Trebu-noob>same thing with emacs
00:10<Trebu-noob>and that is my extent of editor knowledge
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00:12<twb>Trebu-noob: that's because you don't have a terminfo entry for bogl-bterm installed
00:13<twb>Trebu-noob: try apt-get installing curses-term
00:13<twb>Or as an interim measure, fallback to e.g. TERM=vt100 emacs -nw
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00:13<twb>Sorry, apt-get install ncurses-term
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00:15<Trebu-noob>how do i call that once installed
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00:17<Trebu-noob>how do i use ncurses-term?
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00:19<Trebu-noob>it says it already is the newest version
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00:21<twb>Trebu-noob: that is interesting.
00:22<Trebu-noob>vi seems to work
00:22<twb>Because vi is a filthy hack that ignores terminfo, I wager
00:22<twb>Probably it's busybox's vi which assumes a vt100
00:23<twb>Trebu-noob: ah, sorry, it turns out that the terminfo entry for bterm is provided by the bogl-bterm package.
00:23<Trebu-noob>how do i exit vi ?
00:23<twb>M-: q
00:23<Trebu-noob>it wont let me
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00:25<Trebu-noob>no dice
00:27<twb>Hold alt, press :, release alt, press q, hold control, press m, release control
00:29<Trebu-noob>praise jebus i'm free!
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00:29<Trebu-noob>so what do i want to run now?
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00:31<Trebu-noob>twb: it wanted :q! ^m
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00:36<twb>Because you had edited something without committing it to disk.
00:37<Trebu-noob>so how can i get nano running?
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00:37<twb>Do pay attention.
00:37<twb>Either install bogl-bterm, or prefix commands with TERM=vt100
00:39<Trebu-noob>thank you
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00:40<Trebu-noob>i took out the line Option "UseFBDev" "false"
00:40<amigappc>sry, can you repead the irc url for the ubuntu help ?
00:40<Trebu-noob>because that was the last thing i did before the screen went black
00:41<dmind>hi everybody
00:41*Trebu-noob waves hello
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00:42<Trebu-noob>twb: do you think its safe to boot back up off the HD?
00:42<gsimmons>!tell amigappc -about ubuntu
00:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
00:42<twb>gsimmons: sorry
00:43<twb>*repeat, btw
00:43<twb>Trebu-noob: if only X is failing, you can boot of the HDD
00:43<twb>Trebu-noob: just use C-M-f1 to get a tty
00:44<twb>You may wish to use rcconf to disable gdm temporarily so it doesn't start up when you reboot
00:47<Trebu-noob>i have a visible screen!
00:49<Trebu-noob>so how do i get x server runing?
00:49<Trebu-noob>shuld i run startx?
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00:50<Trebu-noob>fatal IO error 104
00:51<chealer>Trebu-noob: find the problem with X and fix it
00:51*Trebu-noob points to the noob at the end of the handle
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00:51<chealer>then you can try starting it
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00:52<Trebu-noob>i did, i got a fatal error
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00:58<chealer>Trebu-noob: to start X, try # invoke-rc.d gdm start
00:58<Trebu-noob>what time do people start to turn in around here?
00:59<Trebu-noob>command not found
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01:00<SteveJobs># /etc/init.d/gdm start
01:00<SteveJobs>That fails, make sure you have gdm installed.
01:01<SteveJobs>And not kdm or xdm or something similarly silly.
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01:01<Trebu-noob>that worked
01:02<Trebu-noob>well maybe
01:03<Trebu-noob>it said it was starting but after that line it gave me the prompt
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01:04<SteveJobs>Trebu-noob: Alt-F7 or alternately Ctrl-Alt-F7
01:04<SteveJobs>If that doesn't do anything, then X isn't running on :0.
01:04<Trebu-noob>x isn't running
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01:14<istoc>Hi, I wanna transfer the contents of one hard drive to another (ext3/LVM2). Could someone give me a good guide? Thanks.
01:16<Trebu-noob>so the problem is that i have an ATI graphics card...
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01:17*Trebu-noob is going to go to bed and bring this up later in the am
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01:18<istoc>Trebu-noob: I'm a noob myself but I've heard that your best bet is the fglrx driver.
01:19<Trebu-noob>i'll keep it in mind
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01:29<chealer>Trebu-noob: are you root?
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01:34<DaCapn>anyone know of a way to "jump start" the etch installer if I seem to be frozen on the "starting up the partitioner" loading bar at 61%?
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01:51<streuner_>DaCa:did you verify the iso itself?
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01:52<DaCapn>Yeah, I've used this one before. Also, it was after returning to the partitioning menu after configuring some encrypted volumes.
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01:53<DaCapn>Seemingly random... No big deal, I just restarted the installation. It's not that far along, I just skipped erasure and am formatting the encrypted volume (to same time).
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01:54<DaCapn>Yeah, worked fine this time... heh
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01:59<Slydder>morning all
02:00<DaCapn>yes hi
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02:02<dserban>My /etc/init.d/gdm script is broken. I have a feeling it has to do with the /lib/lsb/lsb-init-functions script it sources. What can I do to see what the problem is?
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02:25<hachi>is there a good way of doing automated listing and batch choosing of packages to upgrade a multi-pass dist-upgrade?
02:26<hachi>like, I've got a box here that needs to upgrade 532 packages for a dist-upgrade
02:26<hachi>I'd like to tick off a list of the ones I'd like it to upgrade on the first pass
02:26<Supaplex>pizza+pimple face zit==cheap labor? ;)
02:27<Supaplex>s/zit/zit lacky/
02:27<Supaplex>sorry. I'll hush, cause I don't know. :)
02:27<GhostlyDeath>do the `wx-config --libs` not work in make anymore?
02:29<kapil>hachi: the "-s" option will just print the list. you can then select the ones you want using some scripting ...
02:33<hachi>that gives an awful verbose output, but the format isn't describe in the manpage
02:34<hachi>any idea where I can find out what it's all telling me?
02:36<hachi>it also seems to put all of the human-intended text on the same output stream as the parsable things
02:36<Nemoder>that sounds really difficult since a lot of dependencies won't be met without doing a full upgrade
02:36<hachi>so this seems like the wrong way to be doing it
02:36<hachi>Nemoder: dpkg prevents that from happening
02:36<hachi>I'm not asking for something that does a --force-all
02:36<hachi>that would be sorta... scary
02:37<Nemoder>but even if you just try to hold packages back you're probably not going to get much of anything upgraded
02:37<hachi>i'm not trying to hold them back
02:37<hachi>I'm trying to just do the dist-upgrade in a few passes
02:38<hachi>I'm so tired of dpkg asking me for like 10 straight minutes if I want to overwrite files that I didn't actually modify myself
02:38<hachi>so I'm trying to break the process up into periods of time where I can keep my attention span going
02:38<Nemoder>there is a way to set the priority of questions asked I believe
02:39<hachi>indeed there is
02:39<hachi>the questions to which I refer are outside that
02:39<hachi>and I don't want to change that level personally
02:39<hachi>I'm just tired of the dist-upgrade taking so long, want to split it up
02:39<hachi>there's also something to be said about upgrading everything in one long run and hoping it all works perfectly at the end
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02:40<hachi>AND I'm bloody tired of all my daemons being shut down, and never coming back up because the dist-upgrade failed or something like that
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02:41<hachi>if any one package of the full dist-upgrade set decides to fail, then I'm screwed, want to do smaller sets
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02:41<Nemoder>I just don't see it working too well, if you update one app that depends on say a new libc then all the other apps will have to be updated when the new libc is installed
02:43<hachi>you know, your argument doesn't really help the situation, you're just trying to give me reasons why I should cease and decist
02:43<Nemoder>heh sorry
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02:45<chealer>Nemoder: the dependency on libc6 only requires a minimal version, it's not strict.
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02:46<Nemoder>I guess that depends on the apps
02:46<chealer>hachi: just select those you want in synaptic?
02:46<chealer>Nemoder: well, for at least 99% of libc6 rdeps
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02:47<hachi>I was actually told not to use synaptic by... I thought it was this channel
02:47<chealer>hachi: ...any reason?
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02:47<hachi>oh... hah
02:47<hachi>I love it when you people assume I have X
02:48<hachi>it's so cute
02:48<chealer>hachi: nobody assumes that.
02:48<Nemoder>well I know there a lot of lenny apps depend on at least libc6-2.7
02:48<hachi>synaptic requires X
02:48<chealer>Nemoder: like which one?
02:49<chealer>Nemoder: oh, nvm
02:50<chealer>Nemoder: the packages that would cause such problems are those that are not being upgraded, hence not lenny packages.
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02:51<Nemoder>I don't know what he is upgrading from or to, was just using that as an example
02:51<chealer>Nemoder: whatever, you can substitute lenny for anything in our sentences
02:52<hachi>can you pin packages to be dist-upgrade and not upgrade?
02:54<hachi>I suppose I could make different pin files and supply one based on which sort of upgrade I'm doing too
02:55<chealer>hachi: what?
02:55<hachi>well, somehow apt knows that it can upgrade packages rather than waiting till a dist-upgrade
02:55<hachi>I'm not sure what the rule is
02:56<hachi>this is just another idea
02:56<hachi>independent from the first
02:56<hachi>I'd sorta like to move things like mysql-server out of the set of 'upgradable' packages so that they only happen when a dist-upgrade is requested
02:56<hachi>or something like that
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03:08<istoc>Is it possible to set up some iptables rules to tunnel OUTPUT traffic through SSH?
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03:10<hachi>okay, so simpler question then
03:10<hachi>how can I pin mysql-server-5.0 to not upgrade
03:11<hachi>I've got a stanza in my APT preferences file for this, release a=testing, priority -90
03:11<hachi>and it still wants to upgrade it
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03:12<twb>Does sources.list refer to testing or lenny?
03:12<twb>Pinning seems to consider them different
03:13<chealer>!tell hachi about hold
03:14<hachi>that's not what I want
03:14<hachi>I can't pivot out 'holds' based on one apt config or another
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03:15<hachi>so I need to specify this in apt pins
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03:16<chealer>hachi: what do you mean by "pivot out"?
03:17<hachi>I can't specify on the apt command line or in the apt config to constrain its actions based on one set of holds or another
03:17<hachi>the holds are global, one set and that's all you get
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03:17<hachi>I've figured it out slightly, I specify origin="" and pin high
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03:18<hachi>still seems a bit off because it's trying to upgrade mysql-server when mysql-server-5.0 won't be upgraded
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03:19<hachi>oh, mysql-server doesn't require a specific version, just any version... that's why
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03:28<Slydder>talk about a cryptic friggin manpage. sudo and sudoers is really shit. lol
03:29<Slydder>can somebody give me the config line for /etc/sudoers that will grant read rights to a user for a file owned by root?
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03:31<hachi>is there a way to ask dselect to only show packages that were explicitly installed, not those which were installed for dep reasons?
03:32<Slydder>ie: -rw-r----- 1 root root 3122374 Jan 29 09:31 /var/log/messages needs to be readable by a user using sudo with an entry in /etc/sudoers+.
03:33<hachi>or dpkg or aptitude
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03:48<hachi>here goes one of those good examples
03:48<hachi>Configuration file `/etc/init.d/'
03:48<hachi>why... why does dpkg believe that I modified that file?
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04:17<Slydder>currently have the following in my /etc/sudoers file: nagios ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/dmidecode, /usr/libexec/nagios/check_log2, /var/log/messages
04:18<Slydder>the script that calls /usr/sbin/dmidecode works perfect now but I cannot get /usr/libexec/nagios/check_log2 to get a listing of /var/log/messages. any ideas anyone?
04:19<hachi>/var/log/messages isn't an executable
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04:19<hachi>so you have to make some sort of wrapper
04:19<hachi>and then allow that to be run
04:20<Slydder>hachi. no you don't
04:20<Slydder>files and directories can be allowed in the /etc/sudoers file
04:20<hachi>but what will it do?
04:20<hachi>it can't run them
04:21<Slydder>it has nothing to do with execution. it is a question of access rights.
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04:21<hachi>sudo is for granting rights to DO something
04:21<beestje-alpha>when will lenny release?
04:21<Slydder>that most ppl use sudo for execution is a well known fact
04:21<Slydder>read, write, execute
04:21<Slydder>all 3 are actions
04:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
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04:22<hachi>you've pasted this wonderful doc to me
04:23<dpkg>well, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see for the latest (and historical) releases.
04:23<hachi>but I see nothing in there that backs up what you're trying to say
04:23<beestje-alpha>!release lenny
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04:23<noflash>beestje-alpha, /msg the bot
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04:24<hachi>Slydder: I'm still pretty darned sure I'm right, and that doc you pasted seems to say nothing about what you're tring to do
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04:24<hachi>you are granting rights to run a given executable as another user
04:25<Slydder>either way it doesn't matter as /usr/libexec/nagios is the script trying to read /var/log/messages
04:25<hachi>the file isn't the executable, 'cat' or whatever you're using to read the file is
04:25<hachi>/usr/libexec/nagios is being launched with sudo?
04:25<masnet06>iam not speaking english
04:25<dpkg>hmm... unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS, is what the Internet was built on, sexy,,, a gift from the gods, a linux-like operating system
04:26<Slydder>I meant to type /usr/libexec/nagios/check_log2 that is.
04:26<hachi>/usr/libexec/nagios/check_log2 is being launched with sudo?
04:26<beestje-alpha>chown -R /root/src/etc
04:27<masnet06>iam not speaking english
04:27<dpkg>sudo is, like, (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
04:27<twb>Unix is hardly sexy
04:27<twb>And it's only a gift from the gods in the sense that madness is
04:27<beestje-alpha>freebsd to:D
04:27<dpkg>rumour has it, freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd
04:27<beestje-alpha>go mixed gnu and BSD
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04:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at
04:29<dpkg>[bsd] read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people
04:29<noflash>!tell beestje-alpha -about self tell
04:29*beestje-alpha slaps noflash upside da head with a hairy goldfish
04:29<noflash>beestje-alpha, please stop with the bot spew
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04:47<Schreck>I've got a question... :)
04:47<Schreck>It's about installing MySQL 5
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04:47<Schreck>There are 2 root accounts... One with "localhost" and the other one with the hostname
04:48<Schreck>To prevent damage, I had set a password for the 2 MySQL accounts
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04:49<Schreck>After having done this, it was impossible to me to stop/start mysql with /etc/init.d/mysql stop
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04:50<Schreck>After several tries, it was okay with only changint root@localhost password
04:50<Schreck>Is the other root account necessary ?
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04:51<porky_t>do any other users have access to that init.d script? maybe you could create a user for this purpose
04:51<seanius>Schreck: i don't think it's necessary if you're not connecting as root from other hosts
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04:53<themill>Schreck: I don't have one on any machines; I don't want anyone to be able to log into the db with admin rights from anywhere but localhost.
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05:01<sperca>somebody knows where I can find the linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic package ?
05:02<sperca>because I can connect me on the Internet at allwith my laptop
05:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
05:03<sperca>ok thanks anyway
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05:05<Schreck>Okay seanius themill thanks for your answers
05:05<Schreck>I'm beginning with Debian ! :)
05:05<Schreck>Fed up with Windows... :o)
05:06<mosno>Schreck: welcome
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05:08<Schreck>Thanks mosno ! :)
05:08<Slydder>trying to force a rotation of /var/log/messages using logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf does not yield a cleared /var/log/messages file. any ideas?
05:09<dmg>ive been trying to install my nvidia drivers for 5 days now and i cant make it work, can some one help me out ?
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05:12<Schreck>I'm back... Not clear with the cli IRC client ! ^^
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05:14<monra>Hello. How can i see greek letters with xterm?
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05:15<themill>!tell monra about multiple ask
05:16<AndyJ_Australia>dmg: What have you tried so far?
05:16<monra>oopps ... i thought they were different chat rooms
05:16<dmg>AndyJ_Australia: well some people told me to enable my non-free wich i did
05:17<Lynoure>Slydder: and you have a rule there for rotating /var/log/messages ? I just notice I don't, but somehow it gets some normal rotation anyway
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05:18<dmg>AndyJ_Australia: i also followed step by step that are given on the internet and i cant get nothing to work
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05:18<phun>dmg: you got kernel headers in /usr/src? and what kind of drivers are you installing? debian made or from installer?
05:18<dmg>some told me i need to update my kernel
05:19<AndyJ_Australia>dmg: does it work until your next reboot, or not working at all?
05:19<dmg>phun: its a .run file but when i double click it it wont run
05:19<dmg>not work at all
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05:19<phun>you need to stop gdm or kdm and sh in terminal
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05:20<phun>dmg: ctrl+f1 and type as root /etc/init.d/gdm stop
05:20<phun>dmg: then sh NVI... how is it called
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05:20<phun>dmg: to come back to graphich mode /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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05:21<dmg>i'll try that
05:21<phun>dmg: oh yes it ctrl+alt+f1... my bad :x
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05:24<dmg>phun: tells me no such file directory when i type /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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05:25<phun>dmg: if you have KDE, do /etc/init.d/kdm stop
05:26<AndyJ_Australia>dmg: How are you trying to run the installer?
05:26<dmg>phun: same for that one too
05:26<AndyJ_Australia>usual method is:
05:26<dmg>i tried thru terminal but didnt work
05:26<dmg>tried double clicking and i get some error cant open file
05:26<AndyJ_Australia>Did you type: sh
05:27<AndyJ_Australia>what happened?
05:27<dmg>let me do it i'll tell you exacly
05:27<AndyJ_Australia>No worries
05:27<phun>AndyJ_Australia: he needs to go to tty and stop gdm/kde before sh
05:28<AndyJ_Australia>I'm assuming that he doesn't have X running
05:28<dmg>do i need to be in root when i do it ?
05:28<phun>dmg: yes
05:29<dmg>tells me im runing xserver i need to close it
05:30<dmg>how do i close it ?
05:30<phun>dmg: to close it move to tty (CTRL+ALT+F1 or F2 or F3) and type for gnome /etc/init.d/gdm stop or for kde /etc/init.d/kdm stop
05:31<phun>as root ofc :)
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05:31<AndyJ_Australia>phun: My mistake, I figured that he wasn't running X at all, oops.
05:32<dmg>i tried with both in root gdm and kdm i get -bash no such file or directory
05:33<AndyJ_Australia>dmg can you find th /etc/init.d directory?
05:33<dmg>AndyJ_Australia: where is it ?
05:34<phun>dmg: i forgot ask, what display manager are you using?
05:35<dmg>how do i know ?
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05:36<AndyJ_Australia>dmg: are you in a graphical environment (like windows)
05:36<dmg>sorry im realy new at linux
05:36<AndyJ_Australia>on the bottom of the screen at the left hand side, do you see a footprint or a letter K
05:37<AndyJ_Australia>OK you're running gnome
05:38<AndyJ_Australia>Did you successfully log in to the TTY session (CTRL+ALT+F1)
05:38<dmg>but when i type /etc/init.d/gdm stop i get no such file or directory
05:38<AndyJ_Australia>OK real basic stuff: To change directory, you type cd and the directory name
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05:39<AndyJ_Australia>So to find /etc/init.d you'd type: cd /etc/init.d
05:39<dmg>i know that but wich directory i need?
05:40<dmg>then type /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
05:40<AndyJ_Australia>Before you do that, are you running this session (IRC) on the same computer?
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05:41<dmg>let start irc on the other comp
05:41<AndyJ_Australia>I'm pretty sure that this session will be lost when you stop gdm,
05:41<AndyJ_Australia>good thinking
05:42<dmg>whats the adress here ?
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05:44<st0nedbr>Hello all, i would like to know if anyone here know if exists a webconference free and multi-plataform, i´m still searching but the ones that i´ve found are for win and others are paid....
05:44<GTmind>im DMG
05:45<dmg> cd /etc/init.d
05:45<AndyJ_Australia>OK on your debian computer, switch to TTY1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and type gdm stop
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05:46<GTmind>im there
05:46<AndyJ_Australia>to confirm that it has stopped type: ps -ef|grep gdm
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05:46<AndyJ_Australia>The pipe (the vertical line) often looks like two vertical dashes on the keyboard
05:47<GTmind>i type cd /etc/init.d and it still tells me no such file or directory
05:47<AndyJ_Australia>type ls g*
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05:47<petemc>./gdm stop
05:47<AndyJ_Australia>see if gdm appears on the list
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05:47<AndyJ_Australia>./gdm stop is a good call
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05:48<GTmind>nope dont work
05:48<AndyJ_Australia>What do you see?
05:49<GTmind>./gdm stop : No such file or directory
05:49<aya>when i try to start evilwm i get 'can't open display' can anyone help me on that?
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05:50<AndyJ_Australia>Damn! I just checked the man page and it's gdm-stop
05:51<GTmind>so its correct ?
05:51<petemc>gdm, is installed, should have an init script in /etc/init.d/
05:51<AndyJ_Australia>gdm-stop is the file that stops gdm
05:51<GTmind>i tried that too no working
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05:54<AndyJ_Australia>Yep, I just had a look at the gdm script on this box, and it accepts stop as a cli parameter
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05:54<AndyJ_Australia>GTmind: type ls gd* and tell me if you see gdm there
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05:54<AndyJ_Australia>that's ell ess
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05:54<GTmind>ok got it
05:54<GTmind>what next?
05:55<AndyJ_Australia>you can see the gdm script?
05:55<GTmind>says Stopping GNOME Display Manager
05:56<AndyJ_Australia>yay! What did you do differently?
05:56<GTmind>that was weird i just scrolled up to the same line and it worked
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05:56<AndyJ_Australia>GTmind: very odd
05:57<AndyJ_Australia>GTmind: OK now we go to where you put your installer script
05:57<AndyJ_Australia>It's on your gnome desktop right?
05:57<AndyJ_Australia>OK so you go:
05:57<AndyJ_Australia>cd /home
05:58<AndyJ_Australia>and then for the next bit you need to put in your username in:
05:58<AndyJ_Australia>cd /username/Desktop
05:58<GTmind>cd /Desktop?
05:58<GTmind>do i need username?
05:58<AndyJ_Australia>if you list the files at home you'll see if the Desktop folder is there or not
05:58<AndyJ_Australia>ie. use ls
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05:59<AndyJ_Australia>anytime you want to know where you are (if your prompt doesn't show it properly) type pwd
06:00<GTmind>i type cd /username/Desktop but is not finding it
06:01<AndyJ_Australia>yes, but username is the name of your user
06:01<AndyJ_Australia>Let's try again: cd /home
06:01<AndyJ_Australia>then: ls
06:01<GTmind>i have the same username for root and normall user since im the only one using these computers
06:02<GTmind>ls gives me my username
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06:02<AndyJ_Australia>OK cd /username
06:02<AndyJ_Australia>then: ls
06:02<AndyJ_Australia>can you see a folder called Desktop?
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06:03<GTmind>cd /username says no such file directory
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06:03<AndyJ_Australia>OK let's say your username is fred...
06:03<AndyJ_Australia>you'd type cd /fred
06:04<GTmind>i know im not typing username :)
06:04<AndyJ_Australia>There's something weird going on, if you can see your folder/directory, but not change to it
06:04<AndyJ_Australia>Case is important
06:04<AndyJ_Australia>If your username is Fred, that's different to fred
06:05<GTmind>i tried both capital and no capital
06:05<porky_t>i think if he's in the home directory and typing cd /fred he's looking for the wrong directory
06:05<porky_t>try cd fred without the /
06:06<GTmind>ok that worked :)
06:06<AndyJ_Australia>You have to type it exactly as you see it, or use tab completion... type cd and the first couple of letters then hit the tab key
06:06*AndyJ_Australia bangs head on desk
06:06<GTmind>no / worked
06:06<AndyJ_Australia>OK now cd Desktop
06:07<GTmind>ok im there
06:07<AndyJ_Australia>ls nv*
06:07<GTmind>ok i see them
06:07<GTmind>sh nameofthefile?
06:07<AndyJ_Australia>k. now you type: sh
06:08<AndyJ_Australia>use tab completion to save typing the whole file name
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06:08<AndyJ_Australia>sh nv[tab] should do it
06:08<GTmind>yeah di
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06:08<AndyJ_Australia>is it running?
06:09<GTmind>the file ran but it took me to another screen saying No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel;whould you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel intterface for your kernel
06:10<GTmind>from nvidia
06:10<AndyJ_Australia>say yes
06:10<AndyJ_Australia>GTmind: your well on the way now
06:11<GTmind>it says no kernel was found on the ftp that means the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for your kernel
06:11<GTmind>building kernel
06:12<GTmind>i hope thats good :)
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06:13<GTmind>the installer is guessing the x library path
06:13<AndyJ_Australia>From memory, I went through this whole process and ended up with the nvidia driver installed
06:14<GTmind>if x fails i need to install pkg-config and SDK/Development
06:14<GTmind>and then reinstall drivers
06:14<GTmind>thats what it says
06:14<AndyJ_Australia>The hardest part, I'd installed nv before the proprietary driver, and I had to find and delete a couple of nv related scripts
06:14<AndyJ_Australia>Aha. for your next trick, you should: startx
06:15<GTmind>ok they installed
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06:15<GTmind>im back to the black scren
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06:16<GTmind>all the things i had on my desktop are gone
06:16<GTmind>i mean the files and all
06:17<Nemoder>did you log in as user before running startx?
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06:17<GTmind>i was in black screen root
06:17<GTmind>i dont know what do you call it
06:17<GTmind>was installing my nvidia drivers
06:18<AndyJ_Australia>Nemoder is correct
06:18<GTmind>had to close GNOME to run the installer
06:18<GTmind>so i just restart?
06:18<AndyJ_Australia>You're now in an xsession as root
06:18<GTmind>and log in
06:18<Nemoder>just logout and restart gdm
06:19<GTmind>ok loged out
06:19<AndyJ_Australia>Don't restart, choose: Desktop|Logout
06:19<AndyJ_Australia>and log in as your user
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06:19<GTmind>what do i type?
06:19<GTmind>im at root desktop
06:19<AndyJ_Australia>How did you logout?
06:19<GTmind>from the menu
06:19<GTmind>clicked on log out
06:20<AndyJ_Australia>Hmmm... Try su username
06:20<AndyJ_Australia>then startx
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06:21<AndyJ_Australia>Ctrl+Alt+F7 should show you an X login prompt maybe
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06:21<Nemoder>best to restart gdm.. if he starts X without being in his home folder some applications might get confused
06:22<AndyJ_Australia>GTmind: /etc/init.d/gdm start
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06:22<GTmind>go back to the black screen ?
06:23<AndyJ_Australia>Depends on how things are looking...
06:23<AndyJ_Australia>Are you back in your user's X session now?
06:23<GTmind>well they look like nothing was installed
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06:23<AndyJ_Australia>The nvidia driver should appear in Applications|System
06:24<AndyJ_Australia>Sorry that's Applications|System Tools
06:24<GTmind>when i minimize my windows they are still slow and i can see the lines of the window as they are minimizing
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06:24<GTmind>was doing the same thing before that
06:24<GTmind>yeah i can see them there
06:24<AndyJ_Australia>That's where you change your settings now
06:24<GTmind>but i dont see any diff
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06:26<GTmind>whre do i change that ?
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06:26<GTmind>i wanna make it like i have it on Ubuntu
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06:27<GTmind>you know what im tlaking about ?
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06:27<AndyJ_Australia>OK, that's probably a theme related issue, have you checked the themes you're running?
06:27<AndyJ_Australia>I've never seen Ubuntu
06:27<GTmind>let me check
06:28<GTmind>is not the themr
06:28<mohd>I am trying to set up nvidia for my kid's pc. It is using debian testing and has GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X. I had several errors that basically say: nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate
06:29<porky_t>the 3d desktop is a package, i think it's gnome3d or something, if that's what you're talking about
06:29<Gekz>AndyJ_Australia: do you have to have "Australia" in your name? The indent really makes a mess and knowing what country you're from doesn't pose much relevence.
06:30<GTmind>mohd looks like you have the same issue as me
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06:30<Enfi|ade>I believe the wiki mentions that there are problems with nvidia drivers in testing, mohd
06:30<DTE>hi all
06:30<DTE>i have a strange behavior with some ethernet card and mtu
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06:30<AndyJ_Australia>Gekz: It's from an earlier time when I couldn't get on the channel as me. BRB
06:30<DTE>if i set mtu via /etc/network/interfaces
06:30<mohd>GTmind, Enfi|ade , it was like this like 3 months ago, so I thought the problem is solved
06:31<DTE>it goes very slowly
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06:31<Enfi|ade>mohd: I've not had any problems with sid
06:31<DTE>if i set the mtu manually i get very high troughput
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06:31<AndyJ>Gekz: :-)
06:31<smyclops>guys i'm trying to convert an avi to mpeg using avidemux but the problem is i'm not getting sound after the conversion
06:31<Gekz>AndyJ: thanks :)
06:31<mohd>Enfi|ade, I am talking abouth lenny. I never used sid before.
06:31<smyclops>wat do i have to set on avidemux
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06:32<Nemoder>the nonfree nvidia driver is not currently packaged for Testing, so you'ld have to build it yourself
06:32<mohd>Nemoder, how? any links explaining this?
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06:32<Gekz>module-assistant perhaps
06:33<Nemoder> might help
06:34<Nemoder>personally I recompile my own kernel and use nvidia's installer but it means I have to rerun the installer whenever testing gets certain updates
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06:37<mohd>Nemoder, you mean I can just go to and download their installer and run it?
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06:38<Nemoder>their installer needs to be built with the same kernel headers and gcc version used to build the kernel you run
06:38<Nemoder>so if you have that then yes it can work
06:39<mohd>Nemoder, I have both gcc version installed. so how to switch them?
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06:40<Nemoder>not entirely sure.. I suppose you could just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink
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06:41<themill>!vmware compiler fix
06:41<dpkg>To solve the vmware compiler problem ("Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.3 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3") in an ugly but effective way: mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; ./; rm ~/bin/gcc
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06:41<themill>Nemoder, mohd: ^^ you can do the same for nvidia compiler errors
06:41<Nemoder>ya that looks like a safer way
06:42<themill>much better to do that than monkey around with /usr/bin/gcc. You shouldn't get in the habit of monkeying with things in /usr/bin
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06:42<porky_t>is there options added to compilers and stuff that make them incompatible?
06:42<themill>If nvidia accepts CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 then that's an even better way.
06:43<Nemoder>also I'm not sure which version of gcc the stock kernels in testing use
06:43<themill>to find out what you're using, cat /proc/version
06:44<mohd>themill, I remember something about just changing the environment variable for gcc with echo or something ?
06:44<Nemoder>export CC=
06:45<themill>mohd: if the nvidia scripts are written sensibly, then "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 make blah" should work. That does not work for vmware because vmware is stupid. I'm not sure if nvidia works with that or not. Please let me know :)
06:45*themill doesn't use nvidia hardware, but will teach the bot about this...
06:46<mohd>themill, the script for nvidia is a sh so should I do a: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 sh" ?
06:47<themill>mohd: if that's going to work, then yes, you can try that. Although we generally don't recommend using the nvidia installer here on #debian as it tends to be pretty dumb and breaks x upgrades.
06:47<themill>!why nvidia installer sucks
06:47<Nemoder>their installer will detect if you have the wrong version
06:47<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
06:47<dpkg>no, stupid themill
06:48<themill>!why nvidia-installer sucks
06:48<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES.
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06:48<themill>dpkg: why nvidia installer sucks is <reply> see why nvidia-installer sucks
06:48<dpkg>themill: okay
06:48<themill>dpkg: smarter bot
06:48<dpkg>Yep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world....
06:48<Nemoder>hopefully there will actually be debian packages in testing someday..
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06:49<zamolxes>hi. how would I see what processes are doing a lot of IO?
06:49<mohd>themill, what to do if there is no debian package for the driver and my kid needs 3d for his games?
06:50<themill>mohd: The wiki page you were shown earlier tells you how to set up a lenny/sid mix so that you can get the nvidia packages from sid while having pretty much everything else from lenny. (heh... "my kid")
06:51<mohd>themill, this is an old AMD athlon 1000GHz that I am recycling and I do not plan to buy anything for it :-)
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06:51<Nemoder>your kid might be a bit disappointed with the rendering speed of the MX 440 :P
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06:52<flinx>I have Debian etch installed on my laptop.
06:52<flinx>I have problem with mounting external USB drives.
06:52<mohd>themill, Nemoder he is only 4year old so he has no choice :-) As for me, I play on my notebook IF I had time. I RARELY use my kids pc for that :-)
06:53<Nemoder>heheh, well it might not be too bad at all for tuxracer and the like
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06:53<Gekz>5fps, woo
06:53<mohd>Gekz, oop, I will swap computer with him :-) spello
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06:54<themill>!tell flinx about ask
06:54<flinx>when "mount as user" option is off i have error: "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
06:55<flinx>sorry, this error appears when "mount as user" is ON
06:55<themill>flinx: are you in the plugdev group?
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06:56<flinx>I noticed this error appears because of policy, but how to change polisy to get rid of that message? yes i'm in plugdev
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06:56<mohd>themill, I was always afraid of adding sid sources to my testing system. I think testing is a nice balance between 'stable' and 'siddy' systems :-)
06:57<flinx>themill: flinx : flinx adm disk dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip www-data video plugdev netdev powerdev scanner ntfs ads-auction
07:00<flinx>themill: I mounting external USB HDD using Konqueror.
07:01<themill>flinx: did you just add yourself to the plugdev group?
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07:01<GTmind>how do i restart or shutdown computer from CLI?
07:01<themill>GTmind: man shutdown
07:01*Enfi|ade often finds sid to break less than the stable branches of other distros
07:01<Nemoder>ctrl-alt-del might work also
07:02<GTmind>ctrl+Alt+Del worked
07:02<themill>flinx: also, do you have the package "kdebase-kio-plugins" installed?
07:03<mohd>Enfi|ade, I consider my lenny systems more stable than many stable systems 'others' use. but I have never touched sid
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07:03<oleg>"if [ -d $dir ] then { echo "hm.."; exit } else { mkdir $dir } fi" - what's wrong?
07:03<flinx>themill: I dont remember. Is etch adding user to plugdev automatically? Is there a difference if i added flinx to plugdev? i just don't remember
07:03<flinx>themill: I will check that
07:03<Gekz>oleg: no ;s
07:04<themill>oleg: bash doesn't use { and } for if/then/else constructs either.
07:04<Gekz>if [ -d $dir ]; then { echo "hm.."; exit }; else { mkdir $dir }; fi
07:04<Gekz>and no {} yeah
07:04<themill>oleg: and if there is a change that $dir has a space in it, then you need to have some proper quoting.
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07:05<flinx>themill: kdebase-kio-plugins installed
07:05<themill>flinx: the first-created user is added to plugdev automatically (I think).
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07:06<flinx>themill: I think so. So, how to change that policy to allow uid 1000 to mount external USB devices?
07:07<themill>flinx: if you're in the plugdev group and you have kdebase-kio-plugins installed then the default configuration should allow you to do that.
07:08<flinx>themill: But is not. Do you have policy files at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ ?
07:08<Gekz>how much storage space does * have o.o
07:09<themill>flinx: only the default preferences.fdi
07:10<flinx>themill: and you have no problems with mounting external HDDs? Did you tried to mount USB HDD?
07:10<themill>flinx: no problems, and I do it often. Do you have the hard drive listed in fstab? And can you mount it as root ok?
07:10<mohd>themill, ok, I did it, I added sid to my sources and updated. now how to install nvidia driver?
07:11<themill>mohd: you need to read the debian nvidia wiki page
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07:13<oleg>themill, Gekz: thx
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07:13<mohd>Nemoder, Enfi|ade, themill, doing it now.. thanks for the help
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07:13<themill>!tell oleg about bash programming
07:13<themill>!tell oleg about bash faq
07:14<GTmind>i have a problem
07:14<Gekz>dpkg: i hate you
07:14<dpkg>let's have make-up sex, gekz!
07:14<flinx>themill: No, i have no USB HDD in fstab. Of course, i can add record for my USB HDD and it working ok, but what if i will connect another USB HDD? Should i add new line or change existing line in fstab when i want to use another device? i think this is not ok. There should be a way to mount external usb devices automatically without changing fstab. You don't think so?
07:14<GTmind>after installing my nvidia drivers i restarted my computer and now it wont restart
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07:14<Gekz>flinx: google udev rules
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07:15<GTmind>tells me my graphical interface is not set correctly
07:15<themill>flinx: the idea of all this hal udev plugdev stuff is to avoid needing entries in /etc/fstab. Just checking that you *didi't* have one ;)
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07:16<flinx>themill: Ok, thanks, i will read about this.
07:16<themill>flinx: but fundamentally, can you mount this thing as root? Let's make sure that bit works!
07:16<flinx>themill: Yes, of course i can mount this thing as root
07:16<GTmind>can some one help me with this ?
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07:17<flinx>themill: But this way i can't get access to that drive as user "flinx".
07:17<agentbleubleu>Hi guys, im still stuck with problems setting up virtual servers. Im using virtualmin and this all works fine, apart from im having trouble with the 000-default default and other domains. I have found very little on the net with regards examples of this, and have tried both *:80 and IP:80 etc. for the settings. If I use *: i get no errors on restart but for some reason all the domains point to the same address, I.e they a
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07:17<themill>flinx: yes. Mounting as root is sometimes worth it at this stage to make sure the disk is OK :)
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07:20<flinx>themill: disk is 100% ok. filesystem is ntfs. I can mount it as root without problems. when i run "pmount /dev/sdb1" as user flinx it's working fine. And i can get access to hdd this way
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07:21<EmleyMoor>One of my Debian systems runs a Jabber server - but I can't connect to it using my mobile phone over WiFi. Analysing with Wireshark shows retransmits. I can access other messengers, and even a Jabber account elsewhere, with that phone over WiFi. I am coming to the conclusion that I have a router problem. Is there anything I can usefully grab to help the manufacturer?
07:21<flinx>themill: the question is how to mount USB HDD from konqueror. I think i need to change some policy, nbut have no idea which.
07:21<themill>flinx: hmmmm I've never use an ntfs disk with hal's automounting system.
07:21<mohd>themill, errors. compiling failed,
07:22<themill>flinx: Have you tried a vfat usb stick or an ext3 disk rather than nfts?
07:22<Nemoder>mohd: that error is specific with that particular kernel version
07:22<themill>!tell mohd about nvidia 2.6.21
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07:23<flinx>themill: yes, USb stich working fine with konqueror
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07:23<mohd>themill, I always have this bad luck :-)
07:23<flinx>themill: no problems with usb stick
07:23<Nemoder>mohd: 2.6.22 is in lenny now, try upgrading to that
07:23<themill>flinx: so that seems to make it a hal+ntfs problem, perhaps.
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07:24<GTmind>after installing my nvidia drivers i restarted my computer and now Debian wont start
07:24<GTmind>tells me my graphical interface is not set correctly
07:24<flinx>themill: where is hal configuration files?
07:24<flinx>themill: /etc/hal ?
07:24<themill>flinx: /etc/hal but I know very little about it....
07:25<flinx>themill: ok, thanks
07:25<themill>flinx: good luck!
07:25<flinx>themill: thanks!
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07:25<mohd>is the AMD athlon 1000MHz a K7 processor?
07:26<mohd>I always use the the 686 kernel for it
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07:26<GTmind>can some one tell me how to fix that ?
07:27<hathe|>GTmind: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages
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07:29<GTmind>hathe|: i cant get to the login screen
07:29<themill>flinx: btw are you using the fuse ntfs drivers? is there anything that you need to set up to allow them to work?
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07:30<themill>flinx: google throws up some interesting thing for "ntfs-3g hal automount"... that might give you some ideas on what to do. e.g.
07:31<flinx>themill: actually i have not entry for USB HDD in fstab. When i tried to mount USB HDD using fstab i used ntfs-3g. working perfect, but sometimes i cannot delete ntfs folder recursievely. Not all files can be deleted. Didint know why
07:32<flinx>themill: ok, thanks, i will check that right now
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07:32<GTmind>- /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells me Permission Denied
07:33<flinx>themill: wow! this is very interesting.
07:33<mohd>apt-get just downloaded 22.2MB in 8 seconds on a 1mb adsl line.. wow...
07:33<petemc>no it didnt
07:33<themill>flinx: I don't know how up to date those hal rules are though
07:33<flinx>themill: I understand. no problem :)
07:34<mohd>It seems that I had updated the kernel of my notetbook previously and it is stored in the cache, I love apt-cacher :-)
07:34<Torsten_W>GTmind: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:36<GTmind>Torsten_W: (II) Loading extention MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
07:37<GTmind>thats all i got
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07:37<mohd>I will reboot to complete the install
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07:47<ajricoveri>i want to implement a high performance filesystem for a web cache partition on my web cache server ... what do u guys recommend ?? thx
07:48<padski>ajricoveri, benchmarks
07:49<OdyX>ajricoveri: what do you mean by "high performance" ?
07:49<Knight_Lord>ajricoveri tmpfs?
07:49<lupine_85>ajricoveri: I recommend you don't try to reinvent the wheel ;)
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07:50<padski>ajricoveri, is it squid ?
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07:50<ajricoveri>i meant general good performance for a web cache partition, i have heard of xfs and reiser-fs, i'm not sure about those because the only thing i have ever used is the ext3 filesystem mostly
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07:51<OdyX>well... it depends on the performance you wait for....
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07:51<ajricoveri>but this is a different case, i have to implement this web cache server ...
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07:51<DTE>xfs is good for very large file..not very on small files
07:52<DTE>and very large volumes
07:52<ajricoveri>in this case it is more important the speed factor rather than the security and integrity of data ... it's just cache
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07:53<Gekz>jfs >.>
07:53<DTE>i would choose ext2 as well
07:53<ajricoveri>a regular filesystem like ext2 is up to the task ??
07:53<Gekz>buy a ramfarm
07:53<padski>benchmark it.
07:54<padski>yeah, lots of RAM :-)
07:54<DTE>actually 8 giga or ram are not expensive
07:54<Gekz>64TB of ram
07:54<ajricoveri>lol, solid state rules, but my boss will kill me if i ask for that lol
07:54*Gekz bones wall
07:55<Gekz>SSD is overrated
07:55<ajricoveri>how can i benchmark a filesystem the easy way ??
07:55<DTE>ajricoveri: bonnie+
07:56<avtobiff>ajricoveri, hdparm maybe
07:56<ajricoveri>so, the average discussion tells me to look between ext2 , xfs and jfs
07:56<OdyX>well. ajricoveri, you should maybe seek information at Google. They have benchmarks and they use cache ...
07:56<avtobiff>-T or whatever the test is
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07:57<ajricoveri>i will use 40gb for cache, i think it will be enough ... but i know there will be a lot of traffic ... i mean A LOT
07:57<padski>looks like you might find something there
07:57<ajricoveri>padski, thx dude =)
07:57<Gekz>ajricoveri: do you work for dreamhost?
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07:58<themill>ajricoveri: depends if recovery from power failure is important for you or not. The data might not be important, but fsck.ext2 is dog slow and will have to be run after a crash.
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07:58<ajricoveri>Gekz, not at all, im not from usa actually
07:59<OdyX>themill: isn't it more efficient to rebuild the cache on crash (instead of waiting it to recover) ?
08:00<padski>what OdyX said :-)
08:00<ajricoveri>themill, i really dont mind that case, if power goes down, its just web cache doesnt really need safety about recovering data
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08:00<themill>Of course, but there's no way of avoiding the fsck if the filesystem wasn't unmounted properly.
08:00<padski>themill, reformat
08:01<DTE>tune2fs or not?
08:01<themill>yep.... but you need to build that infrastructure beforehand... and not when init.d/ is running ;)
08:01<ajricoveri>themill, precisely, ext2 has the feature of being an average filesystem who cares most for integrity rather than performance ... thats why its popularity
08:01<lupine_85>Hey. Using LVM, is there a simple way to mirror one PV (not LV) in a VG onto a different drive, in preparation for removing the old drive?
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08:02<padski>ajricoveri, ext2 works well because it is optimaised for real world use and designed to be simple
08:02<OdyX>lupine_85: using dd ?
08:02<lupine_85>OdyX: will that work? Just mirror the PV?
08:02<lupine_85>LVM has metadata and stuff, doesn't it?
08:03<OdyX>lupine_85: I'm not sure about its workability
08:03<padski>lupine_85, try the lvm ml
08:03<OdyX>but the metadata is stored on the disk...
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08:03<ajricoveri>padski, can handle 1mbps of data caching ?? at least ??
08:03<lupine_85>OdyX: AIUI, the PVs are identified by UUID
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08:03<ajricoveri>padski, im talking about the worst case ..
08:03<DTE>ajricoveri: that depends from the hardware
08:03<OdyX>lupine_85: true. My fault then
08:04<padski>ajricoveri, question depends on many variables
08:05<ajricoveri>i've been asigned a hp proliant dl145 g2 for do that job, i will research into more details about hdd stuff
08:05<ajricoveri>ajricoveri, define the vars ... i will explain the situation as i can
08:05<DTE>ajricoveri: with hp raid card?
08:05<OdyX>lupine_85: I wonder... Couldn't you just extend the VG with the new PV and then remove the old PV ?
08:06<ajricoveri>ajricoveri, i think so, im not sure of that ...
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08:06<lupine_85>OdyX: turns out, LVM has pvmove :D
08:06<lupine_85>exactly what I need
08:06<OdyX>lupine_85: I was about to point you this one
08:06<ajricoveri>DTE, i think so, im not sure of that ...
08:06<OdyX>lupine_85: I just found it right now.
08:06<Gekz>Gekz: hi
08:07<ajricoveri>actually acording to hp website the model is a little old by now
08:07<DTE>ajricoveri: i don't get many performance from hp hardware
08:07<DTE>if a want performance normally i choose areca (if i need raid)
08:07<ajricoveri>DTE, what hps have u used ??
08:08<Gekz>hug a dell.
08:08<DTE>ajricoveri:we have P400 and p200 raid sata card
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08:08<DTE>on variuos ml models
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08:09<DTE>soon i'll get a dl one...don't remember the model
08:09<DTE>but with sas disk
08:09<ajricoveri>DTE, are MLs better than DLs ??
08:09<DTE>i prefere them because i can use big sata disk ;-)
08:10<ajricoveri>DTE, lol, how big ?? ... DL only offers me like 80gb or so LOL
08:10<DTE>yes...dl as far as i know offer just sas disk (2.5")
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08:10<DTE>with ml 350 i can use till 6 disk (750x6)
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08:12<ajricoveri>DTE, for being honest with u, the hp dl its my first asignment in my first job as a it admin lol
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08:12<ajricoveri>DTE, so im getting in the sh*t a lot lately (sry for the lang)
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08:13<DTE>ajricoveri: dl is not so bad...instead
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08:16<ajricoveri>DTE, and what filesystems do u used on those servers?? what partition table did u made for them ?? it will me nive to know only as a reference =)
08:16<DTE>ajricoveri: normally i use ext3...on some file servers i use xfs
08:18<ajricoveri>DTE, i want to use a simple partittion layout like this ... / = 20gb ext3, /home = 10gb ext3, and the cache partition as /prx = 40gb MAYBE xfs
08:19<OdyX>Does one know how the firmware(-iwlwifi) is chosen from both versions available ?
08:19<OdyX>and how I can know which one has been chosen ?
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08:20<DTE>ajricoveri: listen to padski...ext2 is for the best in that case as well
08:20<doogers>I'm building the debian testing iso and I'm following this wiki: . I modified somethings and when I launch "fakeroot make all_build" I receive this error :
08:20<padski>ajricoveri, it might well be that there is another option that will work better for you, but you have to start from somewhere
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08:21<ajricoveri>ext2 sounds like a good start to me =) ... im researching on benchmarking, i think they will give me the last word as well =)
08:22<DTE>ajricoveri: i agree with can experiment a bit...maybe with two partition with different fs
08:22<doogers>Is there somebody can help me?
08:22<ajricoveri>DTE, thats a nice idea btw =)
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08:23<ajricoveri>guys, thx a lot =), could get no better help for reference on this matter =)
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08:25<doogers>help me XD
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08:32<lupine_85>doogers: just a guess, but it seems you're not including some libraries you need
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08:33<padski_>doogers, is it related to the graphical installer ??
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08:34<lupine_85>I would say that he's not included libfreetype6
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08:45<porky_t> anyone know how i can make that work? is the call instruction different or something?
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08:47<gsimmons>OdyX: AFAICT, the specific firmware loaded is dependent on the driver version. The latest iwlwifi-* code looks for firmware with "-1" in the filename (an "interface/architecture version number").
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08:48<OdyX>gsimmons: thanks: so no "tweak-to-get-newer-firmware-used" is possible nor easy nor interssant ?
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08:51<gsimmons>OdyX: I don't believe so. Newer uCode releases are incompatible with older drivers anyway.
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09:15<GTmind>after installing my nvidia drivers i restarted and Debian wont start i get bunch of errornad i cant get to the log in screen
09:16<GTmind>errors like Directory does not exist - entry deleted from path
09:16<GTmind>any way i can fix this ?
09:16<muep>how did you install the drivers?
09:17<GTmind>in CLI
09:17<muep>doesn't tell much
09:17<GTmind>what do you mean how ?
09:17<muep>where did you get them?
09:18<muep>and with what instructions did you install them?
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09:18<GTmind>i had the nvidia drivers on my desktop and i went into CLI mod in root i had to stop xserver in order to install them
09:19<muep>did the drivers get on your desktop from an nvidia web site or something similar?
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09:20<GTmind>i downloaded them from
09:21<muep>GTmind: I can't help with that, as I don't have experience in using the installer provided by nvidia
09:22<muep>but I suspect the installer altered your configuration somehow
09:22<GTmind>one of the errors says : The Directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misk does not exist Entry deleted from path
09:22<muep>you could uninstall the drivers
09:23<muep>there are probably instructions for that
09:23<muep>I don't know
09:23<muep>and try to get your provious X setting back, too
09:23<GTmind>by the sound of it im better off reinstalling Debian
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09:24<muep>well, someone may know how to fix or revert the installation
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09:24<muep>which version of debian are you running?
09:24<GTmind>looking at the errors looks like xserver missing files?
09:24<GTmind>the newest i guess
09:24<muep>GTmind: x may be also just looking at the wrong place
09:25<GTmind>i just got it 5 days ago
09:25<muep>GTmind: stable, testing or unstable?
09:25<muep>which graphics card have you got?
09:25<GTmind>GF 6
09:26<muep>stable debian already has drivers for the card
09:26<muep>but you should get rid of the ones you installed from nvidia
09:26<GTmind>any way i can do that from CLI mod?
09:27<muep>but I don't know how
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09:27<GTmind>im realy new to linux i whould need some one to walk me thru
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09:28<muep>GTmind: are there any instructions in the nvidia package?
09:29<philipp>how i can install the wlan?
09:29<GTmind>when i was installing my drivers it told me that it didnt detect my kernel and nvidia instalation will attempt to create it
09:29<GTmind>or configure it
09:30<jkl>Everytime that I restart my PC I have to config my DNS (static) again.. /etc/resolv.conf ... is there any parameter to put in /etc/network/interfaces to set the dns and have net service?
09:30<GTmind>muep; the instaction are the ones that told me how to install them
09:30<jkl>or should I install another binary to control dns and keep it?
09:31<gsimmons>philipp: Which wireless LAN device do you have?
09:31<GTmind>muep: and stoping xserver was the only way wich how i did it
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09:31<GTmind>muep:i was not able to run the file with X runing
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09:32<muep>GTmind: there are probably instructions to uninstallation included
09:32<muep>but I'm not sure about that
09:32<GTmind>i'll check
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09:34<GTmind>muep: theres only installation instructions
09:35<ajricoveri>hi, i really want to know about a good pkg who does web cache server benchmarking, thx
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09:36<JshWright>trying to install Etch off of a 2GB thumb drive... zcat boot.img.gz works fine, and I can boot from it, but when I mount it to add the iso the drive only reports 223.5MB free. The iso I would like to use is 480MB. Can anyone help me fit the square peg in the round hole?
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09:38<padski_>JshWright, resize the filesystem ??
09:39<gsimmons>JshWright: Either copy a Netinst or Business card image (as described in the Installation Guide) or use the manual/custom method to partition your device according to your needs.
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09:40<JshWright>so using the prebuilt image maxes out ~250MB?
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09:40<JshWright>s/out ~/out @ ~/
09:44<repp>Hey.. Can I search for packages in apt anywhere, without having the whole apt thing installed?
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09:46<philipp>gsimmons i dont know
09:46<gsimmons>JshWright: The prebuilt image is designed to fit on 256 megabyte capacity USB memory sticks. This still allows for netinst or business card ISO images to fit, but nothing larger.
09:46<gsimmons>!tell philipp -about what's my wireless
09:46<padski_>repp, sure
09:47<JshWright>fair enough
09:47<JshWright>thank you kindly
09:47<repp>awzum.. padski_: where?
09:47<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
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09:48<repp>Nice. :) Thx
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09:49<padski_>repp, debtags is also good
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09:49<repp>Haven't heard of it
09:50<padski_>repp, apt-get install debtags
09:50<philipp>wer is tpkg?
09:50<repp>I don't have apt installed.. If you can say so. :p Don't really know the terms etc.. What's what and all.
09:51<philipp>who is tpkg?
09:51<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
09:52<padski_>repp, apt is "Priority: important". if your system is so small that having apt installed is an issue, then maybe you should consider a more specific distro
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09:53<repp>padski_: Well no, that's not it. I don't have debian at all, though I'm thinking of giving it a try if apt can "please my needs." :)
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09:57<gsimmons>philipp: You'll need to tell us what wireless LAN device you have before we can assist. Is this device built into a laptop, or provided by an additional device in your system? (eg. PCI card, USB stick or PCMCIA/Cardbus card)
09:58<DaCapn>is there an easy way to install all of the desktop environment packages that would be included in the installation after booting into the install? I had the netinst CD and didn't have an internet connection on a machine initially
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09:59<themill>DaCapn: /msg dpkg install kde or /msg dpkg install gnome
10:00<Supaplex>that's only two, he wants the rest of them ;)
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10:01<chealer>DaCapn: yes. you can install the gnome-desktop task.
10:03<philipp>gsimmons i
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10:03<philipp>75: None 00.0: 10701 Ethernet
10:03<philipp> [Created at net.119]
10:03<philipp> UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_9f_c0_00_18_a2_c8_00
10:03<philipp> Unique ID: usDW.ndpeucax6V1
10:03<philipp> SysFS ID: /class/net/eth0
10:03<gsimmons>philipp: Okay, stop pasting.
10:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:03<philipp> SysFS Device Link: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:07:05.0/fw-host0
10:03<philipp> Hardware Class: network interface
10:03<philipp> Model: "Ethernet network interface"
10:03<philipp> Driver: "eth1394"
10:03<philipp> Device File: eth0
10:03<philipp> HW Address: 00:9f:c0:00:18:a2:c8:00
10:03<philipp> Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
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10:04<mohd>after adding sid sources to my sources.list, I managed go ahead with the installation of nvidia driver. I got an error when installing the libraries. apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx gives this error: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2: is to be installed
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10:04<mohd>I can only use nv driver
10:04<mikkie>help please
10:04<mikkie>sitting here for 4 days
10:04<mikkie>no Idea anymore
10:04<mikkie> I try to setup a apache with ssl (https)
10:04<mikkie> have my cert build and checked - when i Try to connect from IEv6 it is workin but none browser else
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10:06<maxamillion>mohd: if you are going to do that you are going to need to upgrade your entire system to sid (or you might want to look into sidux)
10:06<Supaplex>mikkie: are you on nat? elaborate on no where else. what are you doing different?
10:06<mikkie>help please
10:06<mikkie>sitting here for 4 days
10:06<mikkie>no Idea anymore
10:06<mikkie> I try to setup a apache with ssl (https)
10:06<mikkie> have my cert build and checked - when i Try to connect from IEv6 it is workin but none browser else
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10:06<Supaplex>!tell mikkie -about repeat
10:06<chealer>maxamillion: why?
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10:07<mikkie>excause me ? kicked out
10:07<Supaplex>mikkie: if you're that impatient, your only hope is consulting.
10:07<DaCapn>maybe it's called the "standard system" or "standard components" in the installer
10:07<mohd>maxamillion, I do not want to run sid. I only want to use nvidia driver which is only packaged for sid
10:07<Supaplex>mikkie: yes, quit flooding and quit repeating
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10:07<Supaplex>!tell mikkie -about flood
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10:08<mikkie>but please help
10:08<mikkie>im overheated in my mind
10:08<chealer>mikkie: your message was truncated at "Try to connect from IEv6 it is workin but none browser else"
10:08<Supaplex>I've lost savor in helping. patience goes a long way
10:08<mikkie>i dont know why it isnt workin
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10:09<maxamillion>mohd: why not just use the installer from
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10:09<mohd>I was told that when I update my system later I would have a hell of problems
10:10<maxamillion>chealer: i don't need that ... i have nvidia installed
10:11<chealer>maxamillion: I was trying to answer the asked you asked to mohd.
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10:11<gsimmons>!tell philipp -about ipw3945
10:11<maxamillion>chealer: ah, ok ... my mistake
10:11<chealer>the question
10:12<philipp>gsimmons ill not gonna install closed source software
10:12<mikkie> ? please im beggin you
10:13<gsimmons>philipp: Then you're SooL. You will need non-free firmware, not to mention a binary regulatory daemon for the ipw3945 driver.
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10:15<mohd>so, what to do now?
10:17<chealer>mohd: you're using a testing/unstable mix, right?
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10:17<mohd>chealer, yes, following this:
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10:19<chealer>mohd: you'll need to upgrade xserver-xorg-core to sid to install that package.
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10:20<mohd>chealer, is this the only way? does everybody who wants to install nvidea the debian way needs to 'upgrade' x-server-xorg-core to sid too?
10:22<chealer>mohd: no, current testing doesn't have the nvidia drivers. I suppose it's possible to install those from stable instead, but I think there's another difficulty with that.
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10:23<Supaplex>works fine all around on stable here. :)
10:23<linduxed>is there a way to send a file not using a webpage? IM such as pidgin or kopete seem out of the question as i use the MSN prot and neither IM-app uses direct transfer (proxies through MS's shitty stuff) so i send a png in about 4 years....
10:23<Supaplex>cept for that tainting the kernel bit :`(
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10:24<Supaplex>linduxed: does xmmp count? ftp? bittorrent? email? truckloads of dvd's on route?
10:26<mohd>chealer, so the best way for me is to use x-server-xorg-core from sid ?!
10:26<JshWright>truckloads of dvds... sounds like a good idea to me...
10:26<ajricoveri>is there an iptables channel ??
10:26<JshWright>gobs of bandwidth (if you don't mind a little latency...)
10:27<linduxed>Supaplex: ftp=dunno how to setup but yes, bittorrent=you mean i should seed the file?, email=same as webpage, dvd=no, xmmp= whats that?
10:27<EmleyMoor>JshWright: I like my bandwidth steady, not in gobs
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10:27<EmleyMoor>(still, on O2 it used to come in gobs)
10:28<gsimmons>ajricoveri: #iptables on
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10:28<Supaplex>xmmp ~ jabber
10:28<ajricoveri>gsimmons, thx dude =)
10:29<EmleyMoor>xmpp = jabber - xmmp is a new one on me
10:29<Supaplex>sftp > ftp unless it's anonymous only access.
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10:29<Supaplex>ahh xmpp
10:29<Supaplex>dpkg: xmpp is see jabber
10:29<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
10:32<mikkie>someone a Idea about my HTTPS (SSL)? e more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:32<mikkie><maxamillion> mohd: why not just use the installer from
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10:32<mikkie><mohd> I was told that when I update my system later I would have a hell of problems
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10:33<doogers>I'm building the debian testing iso and I'm following this wiki: . I modified somethings and when I launch "fakeroot make all_build" I receive this error :
10:33<chealer>mohd: I'm 80% sure, but you can always try installing stable's drivers.
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10:33<Supaplex>yup. it's permasunday alright.
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10:37<mohd>chealer, I only only worried about stability. This computer is for my 4 years old kid, and I do not want a daily nagging about the computer not working :-)
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10:37<mohd>chealer, so who 'stable' is x-server-xorg-core from sid?
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10:38<chealer>mohd: shouldn't be too bad. it's there since a while. you can always look at the BTS.
10:39<GTmind>hi, i only have the module for my kernel how do i get the whole thing ?
10:39<mohd>chealer, what is the BTS, bbl?
10:39<hathe|>mohd: I'm running sid over three years now without a major prob
10:39<chealer>!tell mohd about bts
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10:40<chealer>!tell mohd about bbl
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10:41<Supaplex>all these tla's should be part of !wtf
10:41<GTmind>can some one help me ?
10:41<muep>GTmind: you already have a kernel
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10:43<relax>hi, i am trying to install and configure ubuntu for 3 days now, need a little help ... the problem is that the nvidia-glx-new driver sets back to vesa standard driver
10:43<relax>and i am not able to change it back
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10:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
10:46<relax>hero ...
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10:47<mohd>chealer, ok, I buy it.. how to do that?
10:47<mikkie>my server is over the ocean
10:47<mikkie>my server is over the sea
10:47<mikkie>my server is over the ocean
10:48<mikkie>oh bring back my server 2 me
10:48<mikkie>bring back
10:48<mikkie>bring back
10:48<mikkie>oh bring back my server 2 me
10:48<mikkie>2 me
10:48<mikkie>bring back
10:48<mikkie>bring back
10:48<mikkie>oh bring back my server 2 me
10:48<mikkie>very nice
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10:48<mikkie>noone helps meee
10:49<mohd>chealer, just by using: apt-get -t unstable install xserver-xorg-core ?
10:49<cdlu>mikkie, if your problem is that your server is in the sea, you may perhaps simply need new hardware. :)
10:50<mikkie>but its running
10:50<mikkie>but i cant log into https
10:50<JshWright>no reason your server can't be on the sea....
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10:51<mikkie>but how can i set that sh.d up?
10:52<mikkie>the server was running on apache2 with ssl mod
10:52<mikkie>but didnt work
10:52<mikkie>but HTTPS didnt work
10:52<mikkie>on firefox etc
10:52<mikkie>so I set up apache-ssl
10:53<mikkie>with another certificate
10:53<mikkie>but the same problem
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10:53<mikkie>turned the apache2 off -> started apache-ssl
10:53<mikkie>but still the same
10:54<mikkie>:~# openssl s_client -connect localhost:443
10:54<mikkie> 593:error:1407741A:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert decode error:s23_clnt.c:473:
10:54<mikkie>what may i do?
10:54<mikkie>no error logs
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10:55<mikkie>could it depend on a wron openssl version or something like that?
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10:55<mikkie>do i need TUN/TAP devices
10:55<mikkie>or something else?
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10:56<mikkie>maybe openssl conf?
10:56<mikkie>what could it be?
10:59<chealer>mohd: try that
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11:01<hexmode>mikkie: you are logged onto the server?
11:02<hexmode>netstat -an | grep 443 # anything?
11:02<mikkie>tcp 0 0* LISTEN
11:02<hexmode>so something is listening
11:03<mikkie>i can connect over windows Internet explorer version6
11:03<mikkie>buts that is the only one
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11:03<hexmode>what does ff do?
11:03<mikkie>non forefox / opra etc
11:03<mikkie>whats ff?
11:04<hexmode>what does it do
11:04<mikkie>it writes out that there is an unsupported protocoll used
11:04<mikkie>only possible to press 'OK'
11:04<hexmode>so, it looks like you aren't actually using ssl
11:04<mikkie>what else?
11:04<hexmode>what happens if you do http://server:443/ ?
11:05<mikkie>from firefox?
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11:06<mikkie>empty window
11:06<hexmode>can you msg me the ip?
11:06<mikkie>but available
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11:08<mikkie>and ?
11:08<mikkie>what you think?
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11:09<hexmode>you need to configure ssl properly
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11:11<hexmode> # try this
11:11<hexmode>might want to purge your apache2 config first
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11:22<mikkie>have set all like described but failure
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11:23<mikkie>now its dont connect to https
11:24<mikkie>fogot something
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11:25<mikkie># openssl s_client -connect localhost:443
11:25<mikkie>1086:error:1407741A:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert decode error:s23_clnt.c:473:
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11:25<mikkie>the same problem
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11:26<mikkie>hexmode you see?
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11:30<talyn>anyone having trouble with gdm and xdm in sid?
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11:37<jmacz>Hi everyone. Where may I find if a PCI-Ex NIC is compatible with Etch? (tried Kmuto HCL -only for PCI- and Google already).
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11:39<evilbelgian>hi is anyone here
11:39<mikkie>what should i write as ServerName?
11:39<mikkie>IP where server is
11:40<mikkie>or domain?
11:40<mikkie>or is that unimportant?
11:41<@Ganneff>mikkie: - read the docs, they are pretty good.
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11:43<mikkie>if i have one normal HTTP site in /var/www and one HTTPS in /var/www2/ should i write to both the same Servername?
11:43<mikkie>because of SSL?
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11:44<evilbelgian>hi i am new to debian, well linux in general and i am having slight problems
11:45<evilbelgian>can anyone help me please or direct me to an area where i can access help
11:46<padski_>evilbelgian, you are here
11:46<chealer>jmacz: check if its chipset is supported by Linux 2.6.18.
11:46<evilbelgian>i am trying to install open office using synaptic package manager
11:46<evilbelgian>but it won't let me install 2 of the files
11:47<evilbelgian>one is some kind of java common file and the other is the base file
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11:49<hexmode>mikkie: ssl will only work with one name per IP, as a general rule
11:49<hexmode>and, yes, you should read the docs
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11:50<jmacz>chealer, aparently it does, even the provider says it supports some distros, but I want to be sure about Debian. Here:
11:51<chealer>jmacz: which chipset does it use?
11:53<jmacz>chealer, Controller Broadcom 5705 Intel 82572GI
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11:53<jmacz>chealer, sorry, mean only: Intel 82572GI
11:54<evilbelgian>i think its working
11:56<evilbelgian>i had to add the etch release cd2 to the repositry , not very simple all this linux stuffies
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11:56<evilbelgian>yayies it are working
11:57<jmacz>chealer, anywhere I cant test chipset compatibility for NIC interfaces in Debian?
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11:57<evilbelgian>i could swear i was on ignore
11:58<devil>evilbelgian: why would adding the cd help the download?
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12:00<evilbelgian>because i am not networking the laptop yet
12:00<evilbelgian>i am doing an install from the cd's
12:00<chealer>jmacz: kmuto's HCL should allow that
12:00<evilbelgian>what with being in a country where 1gig bandwidth costs roughly 10 dollards
12:00<devil>evilbelgian: well, then thats obvious and should have been told by you
12:01<devil>evilbelgian: belgium?
12:01<evilbelgian>no south africa
12:01<jmacz>chealer, ok, I'll try it again. Thank you for answering :)
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12:02<devil>evilbelgian: ah, thats different
12:02<evilbelgian>i am belgian, i don't live in belgium it was a failed attempt at irony
12:03<devil>evilbelgian: no flatrates around?
12:04<evilbelgian>devil: pardon i have no idea what that means
12:04<devil>evilbelgian: a flatrate covers all your bandwidth
12:05<devil>evilbelgian: in DE we pay like 20$ per month and that covers all
12:05<evilbelgian>devil: oh uncapped, well that costs roughly (wheres a bloody calculator when you need one)
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12:06<evilbelgian>200 dollars a month
12:06<chealer>jmacz: I suppose it's supported by e1000, but it's not too clear. do you have the PCI ID?
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12:06<flinx>Can somebody give me default sources.list file? (/etc/apt/sources.list)
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12:07<evilbelgian>devil?? you there
12:07<devil>evilbelgian: sry, tel
12:07<Aleric>flinx: what is default?
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12:07<jmacz>chealer, no, I'm about to buy it :-(. I ran out of PCI-X slots and now need to use the PCI-Ex ones
12:08<chealer>flinx: there's no real default
12:08<evilbelgian>devil: like i said roughly 200 dollards a month for uncapped
12:08<flinx>Aleric: Not changed by user.
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12:08<Aleric>flinx: I think that only contains a cdrom entry
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12:09<flinx>Aleric: Just after install debian. Actually i need to install nvidia-glx, but `apt-cache search nvidia-glx` command return nothing
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12:09<flinx>Aleric: can you try this command to see if you have nvidia-glx in repositories?
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12:12<flinx>Aleric: I have ETCH stable repositories (deb etch/updates main contrib) and videolan (deb sarge main) plus cdrom lines.
12:12<evilbelgian>i wonder where i can find disks 7- 21
12:12<Aleric>flinx: it's in non-free
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12:13<flinx>Aleric: yes, i know, but what to add to sources.list? Same as for ETCH, but replace main to non-free?
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12:14<chealer>jmacz: if it's supported by Linux 2.6.18, it's supported by etch.
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12:15<noflash>evilbelgian, the same place you found 1-6 ?
12:15<flinx>Aleric: Ahh, i see. I should to add this :deb etch main non-free
12:15<evilbelgian>can i install kde on debian
12:15<flinx>Aleric: Thanks a lot
12:16<chealer>evilbelgian: yes
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12:16<evilbelgian>how pls
12:16<noflash>evilbelgian, this stuff comes with documentation
12:17<noflash>evilbelgian, people in here will help you but you need to try to help yourself :)
12:17<evilbelgian>will do
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12:17<noflash>you knpow the 'give you a fish, teach you to fish' thingy ;p
12:17<panagos>does anyone know whether there is any public ssh server available, so that i can check my ssh configuration (especially X forwarding)?
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12:19<chealer>!tell evilbelgian about install kde
12:19<panagos>quitte: aha, so you mean that if X forwarding works for ssh connections to, i can be sure that my client configuration is correct?
12:20<quitte>panagos: if it works for a connection from user foo to bar you can be pretty sure
12:21<quitte>panagos: alternatively you could use virtualbox qemu or some other virtualization.
12:21<evilbelgian>its such a foreign idea for me for the gui to be a separate component of an os and not intergrated
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12:22<panagos>i'm trying to connect to an ssh server (where i have an account) with X forwarding (i pass the -X option), but when i try to run e.g. gedit, i get an error! "The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'."
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12:23<quitte>panagos: maybe the server doesnt allow x forwarding?
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12:23<panagos>quitte: the thing is, it worked a while ago!
12:24<panagos>i think i should send an email to my admins...
12:24<Trebu-noob>x server won't start on my computer, it "fatal server error: Caught signal 11. server aborting"
12:24<evilbelgian>are there any applications or utilities and the such that could be reccommened i install, this machine will basically be used for school work and trivial games
12:25<Trebu-noob>then it says "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests..."
12:27<chealer>evilbelgian: you can check kdeedu and kdegames or kdetoys
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12:29<evilbelgian>chealer: coolios, jeez kde is spread out far, so far i have had to put in disk 2,3 and 4
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12:30<hypnotic>hi all, i am looking for some help with configuring my alsa drivers
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12:31<agentbleubleu>hi, i'm having trouble with character sets not parsing mime types correctly. I have enabled mod mime, (this is on a brand new instal) any ideas what Im missing?
12:31<fd_>ciao a tutti
12:31<kop>!tell hypnotic -about ask
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12:31<kop>!tell fd_ -about it
12:31<evilbelgian>gtgt guys thanks for all the help
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12:32<evilbelgian>gtg* (i typoed gtg , i am ashamed)
12:33<agentbleubleu> this is what im currently looking at
12:33<kop>agentbleubleu : You will need to tell us exactly what you're doing and what the computer tells you.
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12:33<agentbleubleu>thanks kop
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12:33<agentbleubleu>the characters are not displaying being french
12:34<agentbleubleu>I tried this : ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/mime.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
12:34<agentbleubleu>but its already enabled
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12:34<agentbleubleu>and in the config file all types are present.
12:35<kop>agentbleubleu : So, you're serving up that web page with apache and it's not getting the characters right when you look at it in your browser?
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12:36<kop>agentbleubleu : That sounds familiar. Lemmie think.... (The other place to ask would be the apache irc people.)
12:36<agentbleubleu>ok thanks
12:36<hypnotic>kop: well the problem demands some explaining so i thought i keep it short
12:37<hypnotic>i have an M-audio revolution 7.1 and since I started using linux there is/was a bug when booting into gnome or kde
12:37<kop>hypnotic : Nobody can help unless they know exactly what your problem is, what you try to do and what the computer does.
12:38<hypnotic>left audiochannel is muted and will switch on when you move the slider in kmix
12:38<hypnotic>i working on it ;)
12:38<kop>agentbleubleu : Try using wget with -S and see that the mime type the server is supplying is correct. That way you'll be sure it's an apache problem.
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12:38<hypnotic>since last week this problem dissapeared (checked synaptic and saw alsa-base had been updated)
12:39<kop>!tell hypnotic -about enter
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12:39<kop>hypnotic : The convention here is to not hit enter until you've run out of stuff to say. (For some value of 'say'.)
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12:40<kop>hypnotic : If you don't get an answer, try again after a while. Different people are here different days/times.
12:41<quitte>kop: are you a bot?
12:41<kop>quitte : Only on bad days.
12:43<agentbleubleu>Kop it prints out Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
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12:44<kop>agentbleubleu : I just tried that too. It does seem to be utf8. But what happens when you display the page in your browser?
12:45<agentbleubleu>it prints out lots of ? where è etc. should be
12:46<agentbleubleu>the guys at apache said i should set AddDefaultCharset utf-8
12:46<agentbleubleu>im trying now
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12:46<themill>agentbleubleu: that sounds more like a font problem at the display end
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12:46<istoc>What's a good lightweight PDF viewer?
12:46<themill>istoc: kpdf xpdf or evince
12:46<istoc>themill: Thanks.
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12:48<hypnotic>kop: i have an M-audio revolution 7.1 and since I started using linux there is/was a bug when booting into gnome or kde, left audiochannel normally was muted and will switch on when you move the slider in kmix, then i started fiddling with the settings in kmix and changed multi track internal clock to iec958 (spdif) and couldnt it get it back to analog audio output, after explaining this problem here on the irc someone helped me and I booted as root
12:48<hypnotic>into CLI, deleted /var/lib/alsa/sound.state and started alsamixer, changed the internal clock back to 48000 or 44100, reboot, and sound worked again in kde but the old muted channel bug was back again. Tried to reinstall alsa-base through synaptic (did not try a complete uninstall of alsa-base followed by a install) but no change. Now i am wondering how I can solve this bug after solving the iec958 bug bug
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12:49<kop>agentbleubleu : I'm afraid my apache brain is not on today. Sorry.
12:49<quitte>hypnotic: in which position is the slider before moving it?
12:49<agentbleubleu>lol thanks anyway m8
12:50<themill>agentbleubleu: Can you describe the problem for me?
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12:51<hypnotic>quitte normally I think in maximum state or in last state, after the upgrade it is standard around the 80%, at the moment it still defaults to this 80% but without the muted channel correction
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12:52<quitte>hypnotic: im assuming you are using the kernels alsa drivers and didnt build your own modules?
12:52<hypnotic>quitte: yes
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12:52<quitte>hypnotic: etch wth 2.6.18?
12:53<hypnotic>quitte: lenny with standard k8 kernel
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12:53<quitte>hypnotic: did you try a more recent or older kernel at some point?
12:54<hypnotic>quitte: correction: 686 kernel
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12:54<hypnotic>quitte: not recently
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12:54<hypnotic>quitte: this bug is btw present in all distros i encountered
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12:55<hypnotic>quitte: all kubuntu's, opensuse, pardus, mandriva, etc
12:55<quitte>hypnotic: sounds like a problem with the driver initialization to me. if i were you id try the latest kernel in sid and if that doesnt help write a bugreportagainst linux-image-2.6
12:55<gene2>does anyone know why on earth is the font soooo small at login to X windows? I mean when I type my username i cannot even make out what I'm typing, once I login font is tiny but within a few seconds changes to perfect size?
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12:55<gene2>ths is on lenny, btw. fresh installed today
12:55<hypnotic>quite: what has it got to do with the kernel?
12:56<amphi>gene2: dpi setting in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc perhaps; if it's 100, try setting it to 75
12:56<quitte>hypnotic: the kernel package comes with the soundcard modules. and i guess that the module unmutes only the right channel
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12:56<hypnotic>quite: seems to me it was a driver problem, finally corrected it at the new alsa base, and now I manually configurred some component of alsa which undid the correction/patch
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12:57<hypnotic>quitte: specifically for envy24 cards?
12:57<quitte>hypnotic: alsa base does not come with drivers. it could be possible that alsa changed the mixer settings on every boot,though
12:57<hypnotic>quitte: onboard sound doesnt have this mute problem
12:57<gene2>amphi: just tried, same thing
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12:58<gene2>I also noticed, sometimes it starts and I get video, sometimes i launch gdm and the thing is out of spec and my screen does not display anything, says to check signal, i stop, start again and it loads fine
12:58<kop>hypnotic : You might also try looking at the documentation for the module in the linux-doc-2.6 package and see if there's not some special notes or something. (Sometimes even the source code can contain useful comments.)
12:58<hypnotic>quitte: sounds very plausible yes
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12:59<gene2>when I click on those menus at login screen, like session, action, I cannot see anything
12:59<hypnotic>quitte: alsa module?
12:59<quitte>right. and then write that additional info in the bugreport
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12:59<quitte>hypnotic: thats not a question?
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13:00<hypnotic>quitte: it was but its also the only answer ;)
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13:01<hypnotic>quitte: i was hoping that a reinstall would fix the problem, so all changes and configs are automatically redone
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13:02<quitte>hypnotic: just in case: there is another package to build alsa modules from. those are more recent, but not the same as in the kernel. you might want to give that a try,too. but in any case please write a bugreport so that can be fixed for the release
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13:03<hypnotic>quitte: not reinstalling alsa but only the alsa kernel modules?
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13:04<quitte>hypnotic: there are cli mixers that you could write a small init or login script with. far easier than reinstalling
13:04<hypnotic>quitte: hehe
13:04<c>hi, is there a way to disable SSH login for a user so they cant access the server via ssh?
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13:04<themill>c: you can whitelist which users are allowed to login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:05<hypnotic>quitte: ill look into scripting it
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13:05<quitte>hypnotic: m-a a-i alsa should build and install modules from the alsa-source package. but as i never understood how modprobe would know wether to use the modules from the kernel or those modules i usually dont use nor recmmend them
13:05<themill>c: or blacklist users. See man sshd_config and look at the options AllowUsers, AllowGroups, DenyUsers, DenyGroups. And keep a connection open so you don't lock yourself out :)
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13:07<shze>i want to setup a firewall, but dont know what the best way to do this. init script, ifpre-up script, somewhere else?
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13:07<shze>can i split this up in a general policy part and a interface specific part?
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13:08<quitte>shze: man interfaces. you can run scripts before or after bringing an interface up or down
13:08<hypnotic>quitte: isnt that done by symlinking modules?
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13:09<quitte>hypnotic: no
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13:10<shze>quitte: so prefer running script on interface changes over an init script?
13:10<hypnotic>quitte: ok not analog to choosing active libs
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13:10<quitte>shze: in case of ppp (pppoe) /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/
13:12<shze>quitte: ok. the policy (accept, drop...) should go into these files too, although it covers all interfaces?
13:12<quitte>shze: whatever you like best. at the interfaces config is where id expect to find it
13:12<quitte>shze: you could split it up per interface
13:13<Trebu-noob>x server won't start on my computer, it "fatal server error: Caught signal 11. server aborting"
13:13<Trebu-noob>then it says "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests..."
13:13<Trebu-noob>can anyone help?
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13:14<chealer>Trebu-noob: please provide the X configuration and log.
13:14<Trebu-noob>one moment
13:14<shze>quitte: i tried to split, but i'm setting the policy on every run of the script again. is there a way to set it only at boot, and afterwards only when necessary?
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13:18<Supaplex>just when you thought the price of gas was on the rise,
13:18<quitte>Trebu-noob: probably a typo. color depth should be 24, not 4
13:19<Trebu-noob>i was throwing it around to see if it made a difference
13:19<quitte>Trebu-noob: yup. line 90
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13:19<quitte>shze: im sure you can figure out a solution zourself
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13:21<Trebu-noob>now its fatal error no screens found
13:21<Trebu-noob>same IO error 104
13:21<quitte>but now the log will be more useful
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13:22<Trebu-noob>jsut a sec...
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13:22<shze>quitte: thx
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13:25<quitte>Trebu-noob: did you just add UseFBDev = yes to your config?
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13:27<Trebu-noob>no, last night i was told to ad that option as false,
13:27<evilbelgian>hi guys i just installed kde and logged in with it but its not showing any applications does anyoen know why
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13:27<Trebu-noob>then it black screened me, i had to boot in recovery and take that line out
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13:30<quitte>Trebu-noob: try deleting the pci id line from the device section
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13:31<widowmaker>belgian, try right clicking, maybe a menu will pop up
13:31<Trebu-noob>pci id line?
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13:31<evilbelgian>broken install
13:32<quitte>Trebu-noob: BusID "PCI:0:16:0"
13:32<evilbelgian>i just figured i tout, logged in in gnome and i am fixing it now
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13:32<Trebu-noob>comment it out w/ # or remove it all together?
13:33<quitte>Trebu-noob: commenting is ok.
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13:33<amphi>Trebu-noob: if you only have one video card, the pci id is unnecessary
13:33<quitte>its a laptop afaict
13:33<Trebu-noob>its a laptop w/ a audio video out too
13:33<quitte>and i think the card is on 0:10:0
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13:37<quitte>Trebu-noob: you can switch vts with ctrl-alt-fn and kill the xserver with ctrl-alt-backspace ;)
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13:38<Trebu-noob>i dont think i have vts
13:38<Trebu-noob>nor do i think xserver is running
13:38<quitte>Trebu-noob: virtual terminals? sure you do. try alt-f2
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13:39<Trebu-noob>log in as root?
13:39<quitte>no. just realize what a vt is ;)
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13:40<quitte>so x still doesnt work? you can try by just runing X
13:40<Trebu-noob>fatal error no screens found
13:40<quitte>new log?
13:40<quitte>Trebu-noob: also paste the output of lspci,please
13:41<Trebu-noob>what is the path to that one?
13:41<quitte>install pciutils if it doesnt just work
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13:43<gene2>does anyone know why at login to X windows, the font is tiny, when i eneter my username/password the font is is like 4-5, i cannot read it. when i click those session buttons the menu that pops up also has font that is tiny, however once i login, the front is normal everywhere
13:44<Trebu-noob>screen size resets?
13:44<gene2>what do you mean?
13:44<chealer>!tell gene2 about xwindows
13:44<gene2>it looks like gnome is not loading some drivers or something. this is on Debian Lenny
13:46<quitte>Trebu-noob: that is lenny?
13:47<quitte>Trebu-noob: what version of debian are zou using?
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13:47<Trebu-noob>40r2 ?
13:48<Trebu-noob>the most recent i'd assume
13:48<Trebu-noob>from the netinst iso
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13:48<quitte>ok. thats the most recent stable. etch.
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13:49<quitte>Trebu-noob: can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list,please?
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13:52<collisionBrain>hey Trebu.. are you try.. the vesa drivers...?
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13:52<quitte>Trebu-noob: imac g3?
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13:55<quitte>Trebu-noob: found a german site of someone with the same problem that got it fixed. ill msg you for easier pasting
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14:11<Puck_>Hi, Using debian lenny. This AM's updates killed Evolution mail on my machine. Others see this??
14:12<Puck_>Yeah! auto update at 7:00 AM
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14:12<weasel>a development snapshot? and auto update?
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14:12<weasel>I guess you got what you deserved :)
14:13<Puck_>No just lenny
14:13<weasel>lenny is a development snapshot.
14:13<weasel>it's not stable.
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14:14<Puck_>Can't find any log entries, it starts and quits...
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14:16<Puck_>Lenny's been rock solid since October install.
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14:18<wixo>hello people, is there anyway to bind portmapper and/or nfsd to my internal interface on a multi-interface box ?
14:18<panv>how to modify sources.list to get packages for etch from the web... stable only
14:19<Puck_>What's it look like now?
14:20<dondelelcaro>wixo: yes; by default portmapper only listens to localhost, though.
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14:20<Plokko>i have a problem with ndiswrapper
14:21<Plokko>i used the .deb pakage to install it
14:21<Plokko>but now modprobe can't find ndsiwrapper module
14:21<Plokko>(i used ndiswrapper 1000 time but without problems)
14:22<panv>what of my problem />?
14:22<chealer>panv: you can find a mirror, then add it using the manpage
14:22<panv>how to find a mirror ?>?
14:23<chealer>!tell panv about mirrors
14:23<Puck_>Find a mirror. apt-spy??
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14:24<Plokko>And my problem?
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14:25<seon>what is the difference between ubuntu server and debian server?
14:26<amphi>debian server?
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14:27<chealer>seon: what do you mean by debian server?
14:28<seon>debian if you want
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14:31<wixo>dondelelcaro: yes, i have eth0, eth1, eth2, i only want portmapper/nfsd to serve on eth1, i know i can hosts.deny, but i would feel much secure if portmapper/nfsd was not serving at all on the other interfaces (internal<>loopback)
14:32<chealer>seon: Ubuntu server is a distribution based on Debian. There are many differences, which Canonical could describe better than #debian. Basically, they're not managed by the same distributor.
14:33<kop>seon : The stable debian distribution is widely acknowledged to be very stable, fwiw.
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14:34<seon>if i want to install something stable and secure and after to be update with a database server and a SVN?
14:34<seon>which one is better
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14:34<dondelelcaro>wixo: so just specify an appropriate -i for portmap and it'll do the right thing.
14:35<kurumin># jampa
14:35<dondelelcaro>wixo: I'm not sure about nfsd (it's dependent on the nfsd you're using, and the kernel one doesn't appear to have such an option)
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14:36<chealer>seon: depends on many things. I would use Debian.
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14:37<seon>chealer> what is the most i;portant thing for you?
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14:38<chealer>seon: I don't really know. Maybe the CPU archicture and specific software requirements (packages/versions)
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14:39<wixo>dondelelcaro: ok, thx, ill try it now
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14:40<seon>chealer> a pentium 3 700MHz , 256 Mo , imagine i have the drivers, i want to install mysql , postgresql , svn and ssh
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14:41<chealer>seon: no specific versions?
14:42<seon>chealer> mysql 5 , postgresql 8.2
14:42<seon>chealer> last version of svn
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14:46<chealer>seon: latest minor or just 1.4?
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14:47<Mexx>hi, where can i get the packages "sun-java6-jre", "icedtea-java7-jre", "sun-java6-jdk", "icedtea-java7-jdk", "sun-java5-jre" and "sun-java5-jdk"?
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14:49<chealer>Mexx: which Debian suite do you use?
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14:50<dpkg>one warez list being sent to solo1
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14:51<chealer>Mexx: that's just a mirror.
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14:51<Mexx>so whats the suite?
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14:52<solo1>chi parla italiano
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14:53<chealer>!tell Mexx about debian suite
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14:54<chealer>Mexx: did you get the message from dpkg?
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14:57<chealer>Mexx: "sun-java5-jre" and "sun-java5-jdk" are in non-free, sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk are in testing's non-free. For the others, ask whoever makes them.
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14:57<Mexx>so where can i get them?
14:58<chealer>Mexx: you just asked can get them from where they are.
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14:59<Mexx>and where are they?
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15:00<chealer>Mexx: they're in different places. I just wrote where each was.
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15:02<Mexx>i thought this is a support channel...
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15:03<tech>I got one simple question
15:04<tech>is there a tool gui, for user mangement in xfce debian
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15:04<tech>for sysadmin to add users
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15:05<HennaX>can somebody recommend a fun game that does not require much brain?
15:05<Maulkin>Just use "adduser"
15:05<Maulkin>HennaX: What sort?
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15:05<HennaX>Maulkin: i am open to everything that does not require much studies
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15:07<chealer>HennaX: is "addictive" a good replacement for "fun"?
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15:07<HennaX>chealer: yep!
15:07<froze>Home dotfile explosion, is there any known effort that would simplify the massive amount of dotfiles that are generated in a users home directory? I was thinking that replicating the system structure with .etc .usr .lib .var etc... would be nice and easily implimented.
15:07<HennaX>bit like Solitaire, Mahjong, Tetris and such. fun to play but nothing that gives you a real headache
15:08<Maulkin>HennaX: ri-li ?
15:08<HennaX>Maulkin: will check this one out, thanks
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15:10<chealer>HennaX: tuxracer, neverball, xmoto, nexuiz. ksokoban is fun but needs brain (though not studies)
15:10<froze>Is there a better place to discuss filesystem layout than here?
15:10<HennaX>chealer: oh yes, sokoban!
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15:11<panagos>hi guys, i have a problem, i have installed fglrx and have 3d acceleration ("glxinfo | egrep direct" shows yes), but i have no xvideo! and opengl video is also not working right. also when a program tries to use direct rendering (e.g. vlc with opengl output module) the colors on screen do a slight shift...
15:11<HennaX>the list of games was so huge that i could not make a decision :-)
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15:15<blarson>HennaX: xboing
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15:17<HennaX>thanks guys
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15:20<valdyn>panagos: fglrx supports xvideo? since when?
15:21<panagos>valdyn: oh, it doesn't ?! my bad :P
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15:22<valdyn>panagos: it somehow can support xvideo
15:22<valdyn>panagos: not sure its on by default now though
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15:22<valdyn>panagos: guess you need to read the fglrx documentation if you want it
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15:22<panagos>valdyn: i installed fglrx with the ati installer... i couldn't get the debian one to work :|
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15:23<valdyn>panagos: thats no issue right now.. fglrx is fglrx, documentation concerning xv will be the same
15:23<Plokko>i have a ndiswrapper problem
15:23<Plokko>i installed ndiswrapper with .deb package but modprobe can't find ndiswrapper module,why???
15:24<Plokko>it's because of the .deb package?
15:25<valdyn>Plokko: which package did you install?
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15:25<streuner>How can you repair the db of evolution?
15:25<Plokko>and common
15:25<panagos>valdyn: the way you said it... does fglrx support xvideo, yes or no? :)
15:25<Plokko>mmh i686???
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15:25<valdyn>panagos: it does, rtfm
15:26<valdyn>panagos: you are lazy seriously, read the documentation.
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15:26<valdyn>panagos: i could tell you my google hits but im not going to, and me recommending things i just now found on google and have no way to verify is silly
15:26<valdyn>panagos: so ... read )
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15:27<valdyn>Plokko: read both packages description? none of those are a driver
15:27<Plokko>someone can link the debian package download link plz ,i can't foundi it?
15:27<Plokko>i used ndiswrapper 2000 times
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15:28<Plokko>but with normal install or synaptic
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15:29<Plokko>ndiswrapper -m should also works right?
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15:32<buffoon>hmm, several players (tried with xmms, mplayer and xine now) are crashing with a segmentation fault... does anybody know about some bugs on a certain library?
15:32<buffoon>i'm on debian sid
15:33<buffoon>and mplayer is from debian-multimedia btw
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15:33<Plokko>why i can't install ndiswrapper from it's download source?
15:33<buffoon>and i get no output on those players if i call them in a terminal... just a segfault
15:34<Plokko>usually a make and install works
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15:35<chealer>buffoon: which X video driver do you use?
15:36<buffoon>the newest nvidia driver
15:36<chealer>buffoon: how did you install it?
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15:36<buffoon>manually with the .run file from
15:37<chealer>buffoon: that's not supported
15:37<buffoon>and you think that could cause those problems?
15:37<chealer>buffoon: yes
15:37<buffoon>mom, i'm trying with the nv driver then
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15:41<chealer>buffoon_: it's not the driver that's not supported, it's the system once you used nvidia-installer.
15:41<chealer>at least as long as you verify that your system isn't broken.
15:42<chealer>s/as long/until/
15:42<buffoon_>i'm sorry, but my nvidia driver crashed X -.-
15:44<buffoon_>if i remove the nvidia driver with this .run script from nvidia could things be allright again or do you recommend me to reinstall the system?
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15:44<Aleric>buffoon_: reinstall
15:44<chealer>buffoon_: no. I recommend to verify the system with debsums first.
15:45<hever>Hi,how can I continue a command over mutliple lines in a bash script? It was something with a slash ?!
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15:45<buffoon_>hever: you mean ; or && ?
15:46<buffoon_>chealer: so, with debsums i can check for files from the nvidia installer and then run m-a again to install the "better" version of the nvidia driver?
15:46<themill>hever: yes, with a \
15:47<chealer>buffoon_: not really, but start by verifying the system
15:47<buffoon_>hever: oh, sorry, i told you the opposite of the thing you wanted to ask...
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15:48<hever>Hmm I tried echo "a" \ NEWLINE "b" but this does not work.
15:49<themill>hever: was there a space between the \ and the newline? Can you pastebin the actual code for us>
15:50<hever>themill: Oh yes I see thanks. It was the space after the "newline"
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15:51<leeds>does antone know how can watch footy using peercast
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15:56<buffoon_>but btw, why do those player crash, even if i just want to listen to music? It just seems weird that i can not play music... it would be another thing i i want to use video or stuff... (mplayer for example does no x output when playing audio files)
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16:01<buffoon_>bah, i guess the next chipset is intel based...
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16:08<pmitros>Hello. I had a couple of questions. I'm updating a computer running testing. It is currently in the middle of a long apt-get dist-upgrade. First, is there a way to cleanly interrupt it and continue it later?
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16:09<pmitros>Second, one of the reasons I was doing the upgrade was to fix the recent VFS security bug in the kernel. The dist-upgrade didn't grab a new kernel, and I cannot find a Debian security update relating to the hole. Anyone know the status of that?
16:10<pmitros>Are Debian kernels not vulnerable, or is the security team slower than usual on this one, or is it something else?
16:11<pmitros> <-- This bug
16:12<pmitros>Or am I lagged to heck and back? I haven't seen anyone but me typing thus far...
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16:15<dpkg>Test Failed.
16:15*pmitros wishes apt-get upgrade had some way of telling progress
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16:22<poppen>Anyone have an howto on how to make programs start automaticly at boot?
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16:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel>
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16:25<Supaplex>poppen: or use cron's @reboot feature
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16:25<poppen>ok thankyou
16:26<@Ganneff>careful with @reboot if you want it cross-distribution. suses cron is too dumb for it
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16:44<janux-xmind>hi guys?
16:44<janux-xmind>how can i get my webcam usefull on my debian?
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16:45<sun>hi im embarassed to relay the level of idiocy on my part, i 'upgraded' the memory in a [vista] laptop (without a static bracelet, this also involved drilling off a threaded screwtop and vacuuming steel shavings off the laptop) and now the system is pretty flaky, the memory diagnostic program says there are hardware probs with the memory. when i swap the original memory in, also no good. is the motherboard/whole system fried, or would you buy a fresh mem
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16:47<poppen>One question, i just installed KDE4 and i have KDE3 installed also. Now im wondering, how do i start KDE4 instead of KDE3?
16:48<chealer>poppen: maybe ask #debian-kde
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16:49<poppen>vacuuming + computers = no good idea (static electricity)
16:50<poppen>tried a different memoryslot ?
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16:52<chealer>poppen: why, vacuuming creates static electricity?
16:53<poppen>because of the "nose"
16:53<poppen>its plastic right?
16:53<poppen>google it and youll find the answer
16:53<poppen>i just know that it does charge static electricity
16:54<poppen>but how and why i dont know :)
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16:54<poppen>trust me, i know :P
16:55<chealer>poppen: well, you could ground it.
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16:55<chealer>sun: which memory diagnostic program?
16:56<justin>in debian apache port
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16:56<Guest982>where do I access the config for public_html
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16:56<poppen>hm ok, i now use a hairdryer to blow away dust and scrap
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17:07<sun>chealer from the control panel, i had it do a memory diag, it rebooted, during the bootup it crunched on something for a while and reported the hw problem, so its vista's mem diag in the control panel. it can boot up into vista, but its very slow and apps crash and lock up badly
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17:08<chealer>sun: this is not a general computer support channel..but if the tool says the memory is faulty, it most likely is.
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17:11<sun>chealer yes i apologize for asking here, i use debian primarily and so i know the quality of knowledge here is high.. i guess what im asking is not whether the memory is faulty, which it "most likely is" but rather whether a screwup like this can wreck the motherboard.
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17:19<janux-xmind>how can i get my webcam usefull on my debian?
17:20<gidna>I can't configure evolution with gmail..
17:20<gidna>it doesn't ask me the password when I confiure it..
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17:21<gene2>does anyone know why at login to Xorg, the font is tiny, when i eneter my username/password the font is is like 4-5, i cannot read it. when i click those session buttons the menu that pops up also has font that is tiny, however once i login, the front is normal everywhere
17:21<naegae>gidna it ask the password on the first time of maildownload
17:22<gidna>it didn't..
17:22<gidna>it says waitint
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17:28<gidna>Error while Fetching Mail.
17:28<gidna>Could not connect to Connection timed ou
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17:37<shroompicker>Hello. How do I download a .deb file NOW, no questions asked.
17:38<dondelelcaro>shroompicker: use wget or similar, or apt-get --download-only or whatever.
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17:38<dondelelcaro>(or aptitude download foopkg)
17:38<OdyX>or use konqueror
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17:40<shroompicker>Well, I'm browsing that. Every time I get to where I think I need to be, I only get package lists.
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17:40<shroompicker>main -> binary-arm -> three little files.
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17:41<gene2>does anyone know why at login to Xorg, the font is tiny, when i eneter my username/password the font is is like 4-5, i cannot read it. when i click those session buttons the menu that pops up also has font that is tiny, however once i login, the front is normal everywhere
17:42<bernardo>hellooo everybody
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17:46<Mr-R>gene2: gdm, kdm or xdm? and the font may be missing...
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17:47<themill>gene2: is the display size correct in your xorg.conf?
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17:49<gene2>Mr-R: gdm
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17:49<gene2>Mr-R: this was a fresh lenny install
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17:50<gene2>themill: display size is correct, yes
17:50<Mr-R>gene2: oh, lenny. i am still on etch. but try to change the font for gdm.
17:50<gene2>Mr-R: where do I change the font for gdm?
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17:51<Mr-R>gene2: hmm. good question. /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? (i use kdm...)
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17:53<philipp>my headphones dosent work
17:53<spq>i have problems with a new laptop, the built in nic Realtek TRL8101E PCIx does not work in debian, it just worked in kubuntu (but not on the first try, the first tr looked like in debian now), not working means: it is listed in ifconfig -a, dhclient cant find a server and the switch says the link is down.
17:54<themill>gene2: can you have a look at the entire environment for X to check for a dpi setting? I remember others complaining about that with lenny recently.
17:55<gene2>themill: where would that be? And everything is fine once I login, all fonts look perfect. Actually the first time it is seen as the toolbar font changes from tiny to readable
17:56<themill>!tell spq about multiple ask
17:56<themill>gene2: ps aex | grep bin/X would be a start
17:57<spq>themill, sry im here in oftc and in freenode - how should i decide where to post?
17:57<spq>but ok - sorry
17:57<themill>gene2: your windows manager can override the dpi setting after you log in, but as I said, I remember something about it being a silly command line argument to X.
17:57<dkr>spq: whim
17:57<philipp>there is no output on my headphones
17:58<dkr><spq> themill, sry im here in oftc and in freenode - how should i decide where to post?
17:59<themill>spq: would you email a several lists at once asking the same question? It's just a matter of asking in one place and if you don't get an answer after a reasonable amount of time, ask somewhere else. gene2 has actually been here for most of today asking about this, but only now do we have a couple of people who feel able to help.
17:59<themill>philipp: have you looked at the mute settings in alsamixer to make sure the headphones aren't muted?
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17:59<gene2>themill: hmm interesting I honestly don't know where this setting could be
18:00<spq>dkr, i dont know what you mean with whim :)
18:01<gene2>i know there is a setting for 100 dpi here /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
18:01<themill>!dict whim
18:01<dpkg>Dictionary 'whim' (3 of 10): a sudden desire; "he bought it on an impulse" ;; . Whim \Whim\, v. i. To be subject to, or indulge in, whims; to be whimsical, giddy, or freakish. [R.] --Congreve. ;; Whim gin (Mining), a whim. See Whim, 2..
18:01<gene2>but it's identical to my etch setup where everything is great
18:02<themill>gene2: is 100dpi a reasonable number for you? (I'm guessing so)
18:02<gene2>themill: yes i'm using 1360x768 resolution.. soo...
18:02<gene2>on both of my boxes, lenny and etch
18:02<bernardo>what's up?
18:02<themill>gene2: well, it's resolution/size for the dpi, not just resolution....
18:03<philipp>themill where can i check it?
18:04<themill>run alsamixer at the command line.
18:04<gene2>themill: any idea what else I can try?
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18:04<themill>gene2: I had few ideas to begin with which is why I didn't chime in hours ago when you first asked :)
18:05<spq>hmm, i know that my nic is a 100mbit one, but debian loads the r8169 gigabit ethernet driver, is this driver suitable for my nic (RTL8101E [10ec:8136] rev01) too or is it the wrong one?
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18:07<themill>spq: the PCI id matches so that should be right.
18:07<helmut>Hi. Do you know about some dmcrypt cypher doing checksums instead of encrypting? (for an untrusted hard disk for example ;-)
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18:08<philipp>themill where can i check it?
18:08<themill>philipp: run alsamixer at the command line.
18:09<walrus>how do i know which packages are installed on my system ??
18:09<themill>dpkg -l
18:09<spq>is it possible that i can only use the nic if i run windows before?
18:09<walrus>themill, thx dude =)
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18:11<blarson>spq: some need non-free driver firmware loaded. it should be possible to install the firmare and firmare loader for your card.
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18:13<philipp>themilll i think ive swiched it on
18:14<philipp>themilll i think there is a sound but he is neraly unhearable
18:16<themill>OK, now you can play around with the levels too. Some sound cards have a separate volume control for the headphones.
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18:20<philipp>themilll i think there is a sound but he isnt very loud
18:23<philipp>themilll i think there is a sound but he isnt very loud
18:24<themill>philipp: [23:16] <themill> OK, now you can play around with the levels too. Some sound cards have a separate volume control for the headphones.
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18:27<philipp>must i install some restricted software?
18:27<philipp>something whats not open source?
18:28<themill>philipp: no, look for a volume control for the headphones in alsamixer
18:28<hever>Hi. I think it's a bit insecure if somebody can see that I'm using debian at looking into phpinfo() or phpmyadmin. There is the Version number followed by debian or +etch. Why does Debian this and can I switch it off ?
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18:35<themill>hever: (1) security by obscurity is no security at all. (2) why are you exposing phpinfo to the world (3) same for phpmyadmin (4) There's also the Apache server signature that's on all HTTP requests (more to the point) but look at the serversignature option to apache.
18:36<themill>hever: loads of services advertise their version when you connect to them so that they can negotiate the right version of the protocol. Your ssh server does, your mail server does, etc...
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18:38<hever>themill: (1) But its a little piece more. (2) I don't but why must users which use php on the server know the OS Version... (4) Server Signature is set to Production environment...
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18:39<hever>themill: The version number is ok but the +echt or +debian addition is not needed....
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18:41<themill>hever: can they system("uname -a") from within a php script? The +etch and +debian are indications that bugs are fixed in that version as opposed to that version having the flaws of the original code that had that version number.
18:41<everyday>anyone here that have done backups with lvm snapshots? Need some pointers to howto set it up
18:41<hever>themill: no they can't...
18:42<themill>hever: there's also the expose_php option to php that you can toggle. But do you run an ssh server? an smtp server? ftp? you can see where this is going...
18:43<everyday>$ echo "<?=system('uname -a');" > system.php$ php system.phpLinux x 2.6.24-5-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 24 19:29:14 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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18:44<everyday>themill: its possible to use system from within php as shown
18:44<hever>themill: As I think about these servers don't show their version number or don't show which program provides the service and this isn't still needed....
18:44<hever>(in my config)
18:45<dmg>why am i not able to open rpm or .run files on debian?
18:45<themill>hever: the ssh server does. that I can guarantee.
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18:45<themill>!wayttd dmg
18:45<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dmg?
18:45<philipp>there is noone switched off
18:45<dmg>yeah i know about that can i make it open without sh?
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18:45<themill>everyday: you should ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu on
18:46<dmg>just with double click?
18:46<hever>dmg: you can convert rpms with alien.
18:46<everyday>themill: my question is for debian
18:46<dmg>convert them to what ?
18:46<everyday>dmg: deb-packages
18:47<dmg>you can open deb with double click?
18:47<hever>everyday: uname can't be called in my configuration....
18:47<hever>dmg: to deb
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18:49<everyday>hever: turned that stuff of in php ini? just tried on debian server, works there. Maybe very bad idea to have it like that?
18:49<hever>themill: How can I determine which ssh server is running ?
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18:49<chealer>dmg: you're probably lacking permissions.
18:50<themill>hever: remotely? nc machinename 22 (or telnet machinename 22)
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18:50<dmg>hever: i know my root password ,is it posible to make .run o rpm files open by double click
18:50<hever>everyday: its not in my chroot environment.
18:50<joshrulez2>hello, i am having trouble setting up a wireless connection on my acer 3613 laptop
18:51<joshrulez2>i type the relevent details in network settings but it does not connect
18:51<everyday>joshrulez2: do you know which card you have?
18:51<hever>dmg: I'm not very fimilar with clicking around, sry ;)
18:52<themill>dmg: no. Well yes, but it's not worth it and installing things either through .run or .rpm files is not recommended under debian.
18:52<joshrulez2>erm, 802.11b/g
18:52<joshrulez2>Broadcom 4318/AMBIT 0312
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18:53<jixie>What would be the advanatage of using rpm dmg - to install something unavailable in apt or sh?
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18:54<joshrulez2>everyday, do you know what i should do?
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18:54<dmg>guys im new to linux im just trying to find a user friendly way to do things
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18:55<everyday>joshrulez2: what does the command "lspci | grep Network" say if you run it in a terminal
18:55<themill>dmg: How about you explain what you are really trying to do so we can help :)
18:55<everyday>dmg: user friendly: console+dselect if you ask me...
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18:55<themill>dselect ewww
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18:56<dmg>i want to install flash
18:56<dkr>it's a dinosaur! run!
18:56<dpkg>rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
18:56<hever>themill: Oh I see the Version and OS. But in my opinion the OS part is not needed...
18:56<dmg>guys i just asked if its posible please dont kill me :P
18:57<dmg>im noob and i know it
18:57<jixie>dmg I think you just use the ./ format to run that script
18:57<themill>!tell dmg about adobe flash
18:57<jixie>I'm a new user too dmg
18:57<joshrulez2>everyday, it says broadcom BCM4318 [airforce one 54g] 802.11g wireless lan controller (rev 02)
18:57<dkr>dmg: follow the above link
18:57<themill>jixie: there are usually "debian" ways of doing things which are easier than dealing with rpms or .run scripts.
18:57<dmg>damn some people still didnt get my quation
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18:58<themill>!tell joshrulez2 about bcm43xx
18:58<hever>joshrulez2: I wish you a lot of fun with this... I think you'll need ndiswrapper to bring it up.
18:58<everyday>joshrulez2: if you have another os on your computer, does the wlan work there? just wondering if you have a kill-switch somewhere. stumbled upon that a couple of days ago. had me waste 1 hour in tele
18:59<dmg>!tell themill and dkr to read more closely
18:59<joshrulez2>nope havent got another OS
18:59<joshrulez2>wireless worked under windows xp
18:59<themill>dmg: there are usually "debian" ways of doing things which are easier than dealing with rpms or .run scripts.
18:59<dkr>dmg: being annoying to people trying to give you free help is not going to work
18:59<hever>!tell hever about bcm43xx
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19:01<everyday>joshrulez2: i have seen the app knetworkmanager work very well. I think you have yourself a driver already loaded. so don't try ndiswrapper.
19:01<dkr>dmg: if you don't understand something in the factoids you were directed to then feel free to ask for more explanation
19:01<jixie>joshrulez2 I found either Madwifi or Wicd worked for me. They are both available thorugh Aptitude I think
19:01<blink>hey all, I'm looking at using debian on a 64-bit Xeon; would the amd64 installation media provide me what I want?
19:01<hever>joshrulez2: I'm on a Acer Aspire 1500. I remember I had some problems with the bcm43xx-fwcutter, but ndiswrapper worked for me and some friends also having bcm43xx adapters.
19:01<dmg>dkr: im not being anoying people still sending links on how to install flash even tho i only asked if its posible to make .run or rpm file run by double clicking them
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19:01<dmg>sry if i have anoyed you
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19:01<joshrulez2>ok thanks a lot, i'll have a look
19:02<themill>hever: If you don't like the server version being advertised, feel free to send patches to the maintainers :)
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19:02<dkr>dmg: you also said you want to install flash, and that you are newbie,so we are giving you the correct way to do it. using an rpm is not the way to do it
19:02<themill>dmg: [23:56] <dmg> i want to install flash
19:02<everyday>need help witch lvm snapshots and backup
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19:03<dmg>yes and i tried to double click it and it didnt run so i asked my anoying quation
19:03<dkr>dmg: rpm is the packaging format used by redhat and redhat based systems. deb is the package format used by debian
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19:03<dmg>thats all i need it to know thank you
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19:04<blink>would amd64 installation media provide me what I need if I'm looking at using debian on a 64-bit Xeon?
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19:04<themill>blink: I believe so.
19:04<joshrulez2>hmm well i ran knetworkmanager an nothing happened...
19:05<themill>dmg: What you were asking is often referred to as an XY-problem. What you are asking was not what you really wanted to do so we have to do some extra work to try to figure out what you want to do. /msg dpkg xyproblem
19:05<themill>joshrulez2: have you installed the firmware?
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19:05<Yoko>hello world
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19:05<dkr>dmg: simpler howto:
19:05<jixie>dkr last time I looked though there was no deb package for adobe flash to be fair.
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19:05<joshrulez2>what firmware?
19:06<dkr>jixie: it is in non-free
19:06<yitz>Hi! I got a relatively fresh install of SID and its being all broken. Under the first account it sets up during install, its fine. But when I set up new accounts, it got the permissions wrong and the screen resolution only offers 640*480
19:06<jixie>Oh fair enough I missed that - it was easy enough to run the script, but that way would have been easier still so i'll bare that in mind
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19:06<yitz>The home directory was set to 700 until I changed it
19:06<joshrulez2>themill, what firmware?
19:07<themill>!tell joshrulez2 about bcm43xx
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19:07<dkr>yitz: how is 700 wrong? iirc making home dirs world readable by default is an install config option
19:07<themill>!tell joshrulez2 about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
19:08<yitz>dkr: But shouldn't /home itself be accessable to anyone?
19:08<joshrulez2>ok cheers
19:08<everyday>!tell everyday about tell function
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19:08<dmg>quation: when i minimize my windows theres 4 black lines following it and its anoying , is there any way to remove them ?
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19:09<dkr>yitz: oh, I though you meant home dir of new account
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19:10<yitz>When I logged in with the new account, it said it didn't have permission to run the ~/.bashrc :S
19:11<dkr>dmg: sounds like a gnome option you can change in desktop preferences
19:11<themill>!tell everyday about msg the bot
19:11<yitz>Hm. Looks like the primary user group that debinstall set up is in about every group
19:12<jixie>I have to go to bed soon so I'm off now!
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19:12<dkr>dmg: or maybe not. gnome follows a philosophy of not letting you tweak every option through the default gui prefs
19:13<yitz>How do I add a user to a group?
19:13<themill>yitz: adduser username groupname
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19:15<dkr>dmg: system menu...config editor...apps...metacity...general check "reduced_resources" that turns off those extra wireframe animations
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19:19<dmg>dkr:system tools?
19:19<dkr>dmg: the menu option on your main men
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19:20<joshrulez2>themill i wget the firmware, now what is it i do?
19:20<everyday>can you do "online extend" of ext3 in debian when using lvm, etch release.
19:20<Coyote`>hi there
19:21<themill>joshrulez2: bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-
19:21<themill>(as root)
19:21<dmg>dkr: i dont see it any where, can you be more specific ?
19:22<dkr>dmg: uhm, I think the default is a big foot icon, you click that and a menu pops up (kind of like the start button in windows?)
19:22<joshrulez2>themill i just get command not found
19:23<themill>joshrulez2: you have to follow each of dpkg's steps carefully.
19:23<themill>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
19:23<dpkg>"apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "wget && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta- && rm wl_apsta-". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
19:24<joshrulez2>themil, attempting the first step i get package not found
19:26<joshrulez2>E: Couldn't find package bcm43xx-fwcutter
19:26<gsimmons>joshrulez2: You'll need to add contrib sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file, before you can install the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package.
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19:26<themill>!non-free sources
19:26<dpkg>non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
19:27<joshrulez2>ok its worked now
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19:31<joshrulez2>so i guess its setup now, so is knetworkmanager supposed to work now?
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19:33<walrus>what cli irc client do u recommend ??
19:33<dondelelcaro>(or irssi)
19:33<walrus>dondelelcaro, thank u =)
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19:34<joshrulez2>themill when running bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta- it says cannot open input file
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19:35<gsimmons>joshrulez2: You have to be in the directory where you downloaded this file, prior to executing this command.
19:36<NumberNine>this person using the nick "Number9"---is this a long time reg in here?
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19:37<themill>NumberNine: Number9 isn't in this channel... and it's you in #sidux.
19:37<NumberNine>yass it is
19:37*themill is confused
19:37<NumberNine>however--someone using that WAS just in here
19:38<themill>not in the last 6 hours that I have in scrollback.
19:38<Supaplex>!seen Number9
19:38<dpkg>number9 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 15h 24m 25s ago, saying: 'boy do i need to try and sleep'.
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19:39<NumberNine>hmmm..its appears there is some persistemce thingy going on with konversation and having logging enabled
19:40<themill>which is also you... Perhaps you need to try decaf and avoiding black helicopters :)
19:40<NumberNine>you think theres no such thing as black helos?
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19:42<Jumpyshoes>are there any text editors (for the terminal) besides nano and vim?
19:42<Jumpyshoes>avaiable for debian?
19:42<dkr>Jumpyshoes: about 47 of them, actually
19:42<dkr>I like joe
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19:43<streuner>NumberNine: /msg dpkg pico
19:43<Jumpyshoes>that are simple to use?
19:43<Jumpyshoes>very simple?
19:43<dkr>nano is simple
19:43<streuner>default is nano
19:43<blink>what's the difference between debian-40r2 and debian-update-40r2 install media sets?
19:43<Jumpyshoes>pico is exactly like nano
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19:43<Jumpyshoes>and nano doesnt auto tab D:
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19:44<dkr>jpico is joe with pico keystrokes for the same things. (but additional useful joe features like syntax highlighting and auto tab) heh :)
19:44<MilesTeg55>Howdy.. Long time gentoo / FreeBSD guy who has moved to debian to try it out.. like it but have some questions
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19:45<aredhel>blink, debian-40r2 is the full package set, update is just the updates, I think, from debian-40.
19:45<blink>MilesTeg55: bring it :)
19:45<Jumpyshoes>is jpico available for free?
19:45<blink>aredhel: thank you very much :)
19:45<MilesTeg55>I followed the steps to compile a new custom kernel.. compiled / packaged and installed
19:45<dkr>Jumpyshoes: aptitude install joe (jpico is an alias it comes with and knows to use the pico keystrokes when called that way)
19:45<MilesTeg55>I re-ran make menuconfig, changed what I needed to and re-ran the build process but it says "Nothing to do"
19:46<MilesTeg55>Do I have to remove the image I created before creating a new one?
19:46<walrus>does debian have SVGATextMode ???
19:46<dkr>!custom kernel
19:47<dpkg>read and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image>
19:47<Jumpyshoes>joe seems cool =D
19:47<gsimmons>walrus: It does ('svgatextmode' package).
19:47<walrus>gsimmons, thanks =)
19:48<dkr>Jumpyshoes: it's a nice compromise between easy and kitchen sink editors. :)
19:48<Jumpyshoes>yes :D
19:48<Jumpyshoes>or so it seems....
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 331] by debhelper
19:49<MilesTeg55>Um I'm familiar with the OpenBSD methodology :)
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19:49<blink>dkr: you just converted me from nano
19:49<MilesTeg55>I just don't understand the debian kernal image packager
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19:50<blink>jpico beats nano, and it uses the same command key combos
19:50<blink>MilesTeg55: I never use the kernel image packager unless I'm deploying the kernel package on more than one machine
19:50<Jumpyshoes>well ctrl+x doesnt close it D:
19:51<Jumpyshoes>you have to ctrl + c
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19:51<MilesTeg55>fair enough
19:51<blink>CTRL + x worked for me :/
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19:51<MilesTeg55>Another question. How come apt-get upgrade and the mark all upgrades in synaptic seem to produce different results of packages to upgrade?
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19:53<MilesTeg55>Do apt and synaptic store different dependency information?
19:55<dkr>MilesTeg55: I know aptitude is recommended because it keeps track of packages manualy installed vs installed due to a dependency.not sure exact diff between apt-get and synaptic.likley something similar
19:55<walrus>does svgatextmode supports xorg ???
19:55<MilesTeg55>ok cool.. I'll check out aptitude
19:56<dkr>Jumpyshoes: oh yeah, there was some weird issue I vaguely recall with ^x and ^c, ^c would quite without save and ^x save. but then they made ^c show you line number by default with new version
19:57<dkr>so not 100% pico/nano compatible. you can customixe anything in .jpicorc of course.
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19:59<dmg>dkr: i looked every where i couldnt find this config any where, does it need to be installed?
20:00<dmg>the only foot i have is on my app
20:00<dkr>dmg: you didn't find "configuration editor" on any menus?
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20:01<dkr>I find that hard to believe, but you could just run it from a terminal. the command is gconf-editor
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20:03<dkr>it's a bit tedious modifying prefs with this tool, but that's the price the gnome folks make us pay for not being happy with their defaults.heh :)
20:04<MilesTeg55>So far impressions of debian are very good. Getting used to it, but not compiling everything from source is a tremendous time-saver :)
20:04<dmg>dkr: thx i found it
20:06<dkr>MilesTeg55: yeqh. love that aspect. % mtr "no such command" % aptitude install mtr ... 3 seconds later I can use mtr :)
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20:08<MilesTeg55>So with the packaging system whats the different between doing an "apt-get install kde" and an "apt-get upgrade kde" if I have a previous version installed. Does upgrade upgrade the entire dependency tree?
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20:09<dkr>MilesTeg55: if necessary, it will tell you what other packages may be needed for the upgrade
20:10<dkr>and you have to say yes or no.
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20:11<MilesTeg55>one more question :) Appreciate the help btw
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20:12<MilesTeg55>If I download the linux-source package and the debian-patches how do I apply the debian patches before compilation?
20:12<seon>i install the core debian etch and i want to have some sources to put in my sources.list to install w3c , openssh , do you know some
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20:13<Gun_Smoke>Finished the base install of lenny.. aptitude install kde do the trick?
20:13<gsimmons>!tell Gun_Smoke -about install kde
20:14<dkr>MilesTeg55: when you download a deb source package it includes the original vanialla source and the patches debiqn made for it
20:15<Gun_Smoke>gsimmons: Stuck on irssi.. and I can't seem to find pm's..
20:16<dkr>MilesTeg55: there is a tool to recreate the package, debuild. looking for factoid
20:16<gsimmons>Gun_Smoke: "aptitude install kde" is fine.
20:16<jsubl2>Gun_Smoke: i install kde-core kdm then just get the things i want/use.. but yeah you can install kde
20:16<dkr>!tell MilesTeg55 about source
20:16<Gun_Smoke>gsimmons: Thanks.. I remember seeing something about base or core.
20:16<gsimmons>!install kde
20:16<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
20:17<Gun_Smoke>Thanks guys.. Sorry for not following the 7 p's.
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20:19<Gun_Smoke>Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Preformance.... For those of you scratching your heads..
20:19<dmg>wich one is better for looks Gnome or KDE?
20:19<dmg>how do i install it ?
20:20<dkr>they are both quite themeable to suit to taste. they seem mostly the same to me
20:20<dmg>i wanna get good looking theme
20:20<Gun_Smoke>dmg: What are you using now?
20:20<dkr>dpkg just said how. :)
20:21<Gun_Smoke>good nights worth of looking around.
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20:22<gsimmons>MilesTeg55: WRT to the 'linux-source-*' package, the Debian patches are already applied. 'linux-patch-debian-*' is for application to a vanilla kernel.
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20:25<leleobhz>someone can helpme install etch in a proliant 2500?
20:26<dondelelcaro>if you ask a specific question about it, probably
20:26<leleobhz>im getting trouble with the rootfs(!)
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20:26<leleobhz>the out of memory error has been solved with mem=192
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20:27<leleobhz>but the error now iso
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20:27<leleobhz>"VFS: Cannot open root devide "<NULL>" or unknown-block(72,3)
20:27<leleobhz>Please append a correct "root=" boot option
20:27<leleobhz>Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(72,3)"
20:27<dondelelcaro>that's because you haven't specified the proper root= option or you haven't loaded whatever module is required to see your root filesystem.
20:27<leleobhz>even if i append eisa=0x4000 (my scsi controller are in slot4)
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20:28<leleobhz>dondelelcaro: in installation cd?
20:28<leleobhz>well, how can i make it load the module?
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20:29<dondelelcaro>leleobhz: which version of Debian are you using? What installer did you use to install on the 2500?
20:29<leleobhz>etch from cd
20:29<leleobhz>the array module is the cpqarray
20:29<dondelelcaro>leleobhz: you shouldn't need to pass any of the eisa options at all. When you get the "unable to mount root fs" you should get a command prompt
20:30<leleobhz>dondelelcaro: nop. i get a kernel panic
20:30<dondelelcaro>leleobhz: ok; boot off of the etch installer again with the rescue option
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20:31<dondelelcaro>leleobhz: you'll most likely need to mount your root filesystem, chroot, and rebuild the initrd to include the cpqarray module (if it doesn't already include it)
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20:32<leleobhz>well, if i set the eisa parameter, the initrd load crash
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20:32<leleobhz>(well, ive waited 2 minutes)
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20:35<leleobhz>dondelelcaro: no progress. ill try to boot rescue image with only mem parameter
20:35<dondelelcaro>leleobhz: you shouldn't need to pass any of those parameters at all anymore
20:36<leleobhz>dondelelcaro: if i dont pass memory parameter, i get a out of memory at pid 2
20:36<leleobhz>dondelelcaro: i know these compaq servers are a **** to install linux on it
20:36<dondelelcaro>could be a limitation of that kernel then
20:36<leleobhz>the last, a compaq 800, only kernel 2.4.16 worked
20:37<dvs>leleobhz: and 2.4.18 didn't?
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20:38<leleobhz>dvs: i dunno, its a ooooooooold story
20:38<leleobhz>now i need to use these 2500
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20:38*leleobhz hate old proliant series
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20:45<leleobhz>notting notting notting
20:45<leleobhz>it dont find my array controller
20:45<leleobhz>in any mode....
20:45<leleobhz>booting smartserver cd again....
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20:51<walrus>hi, in what package does belong "setfont" command ?? sry for my english
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20:54<walrus>how can i change text size on plain text mode ?? (bash, no X at all)
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20:56<walrus>how can i change text size on plain text mode?? (bash, no X at all)
20:59<leleobhz>arf! i surrender. its impossible to use linux in this compaq
20:59<leleobhz>notting can boot into this!
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21:00<walrus>is svgatextmode the only way to manipulate text mode on my debian server ???
21:00<leleobhz>and fbsd worked in first try... rs
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21:01*leleobhz accept suggestions to try boot linux inside this compaq
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21:18<norbert_>hi there, does anyone happen to know a way to make grep not only show the line number (-n) but also the character where the searched string starts on that line? (or maybe a perl one-liner?)
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21:18<norbert_>the number I mean, like 4 is I grep rting in starting
21:18<leleobhz>noone know something about compaq case?
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21:24<dmg>where do i find my theme folder ?
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21:24<lontra>dmg: what theme? what wm?
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21:25<dmg>i just downloaded new theme i wanna add it to the rest
21:25<lontra>dmg: do you install it with gnome-theme-manager?
21:25<lontra>or whatever it's called in the newer gnome
21:25<dmg>yeah i think so
21:26<dmg>i just selected from the list
21:26<lontra>ok then that's where it is
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21:28<dmg>i locate the folder where the theme is but i dont know wich file to selct to install it
21:28<dmg>any idea?
21:29<lontra>dmg: you drop and drag that tarball (.tar.gz or tar.bz2) into gnome-theme-manager
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21:29<dmg>is not tar
21:29<dmg>is just a folder
21:29<dmg>with bunch a files in it
21:30<lontra>dmg: was a tarball once?
21:31<dmg>i got it from
21:31<noble->anyone willing to work with me 1 on 1 in private? have intruder logged in my machine
21:31<lontra>dmg: let me guess and then it probably opened up the archive manager right? just click save as and it should give you a tarball
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21:35<dmg>lontra: thx it worked
21:35<thepretender84>how can I compare 2 files and display the lines that have been added to them, ignoring where the lines appear in either file?
21:35<lontra>dmg: good :D ... just remember that archive manager usually always opens up like that and just tell it to shut up
21:35<dondelelcaro>thepretender84: diff
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21:41<gene2>i install debian lenny on my htpc, and I noticed that half the time or more when gdm starts it goes out of sync and my tv reports no signal, i have to stop, start it couple of times for it to work.
21:41<gene2>I cannot pinpoint what happens but it seems like it displays some odd resolution, anyway i can diagonose it?
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21:50<noble->anyone willing to work with me 1 on 1 in private? have intruder logged in my machine
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21:59<rgoodkin>Where can I see a list of installed packages?
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22:00<dpkg>To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M';
22:00<Aleric>Does anyone have experience with cedega?
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22:14<RIVE>Hello, good night.
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22:17<IcoNyx>hello... any geniuses in the room?
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22:17<dondelelcaro>IcoNyx: just ask your question
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22:20<IcoNyx>ok... I just finished building a fresh kernel for my box (kernel 2.6.24 in lenny)and everything is running REALLY nice (it helps when the kernel knows you have a core 2 proc and not a pentium pro) anyway, I have 3 issues... first, ipw3945. I am trying to build the module from source and it fails to build... I dont want to post the output here, but I did put it in the linux questions post (
22:21<IcoNyx>darn line break... here is that link again:
22:21<kdallas>Hi guys! What should I do to be able to play most of the video files? I have tried to add the repositories and install the codecs that I used to do yet it is not working
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22:22<Acidz0r>kdallas, try VLC.
22:22<IcoNyx>kdallas: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list "##Multimedia
22:22<IcoNyx># deb stable main
22:22<IcoNyx>deb testing main "
22:22<kdallas>Acidz0r, ok, thanks.
22:22<RIVE>kdallas, did you have debian-multimedia in your repos?
22:22<kdallas>thanks IcoNyx
22:22<IcoNyx>kdallas. hang on... one more thing
22:23<IcoNyx>install vlc w32codecs and libdvdcss
22:23<IcoNyx>that will give you prety much everything you could want
22:23<kdallas>i have w32 but maybe not the last one
22:23<IcoNyx>between those three there is nothing I havent been able to play
22:23<RIVE>If so, vlc is your choice.
22:23<IcoNyx>BTW, dont forget vlc
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22:24<kdallas>all rightie, thank you guys
22:24<IcoNyx>it adds much needed codecs too
22:24<kdallas>great. i even use vlc under windows ;)
22:24<IcoNyx>any idears on my ipw3845 issues?
22:24<RIVE>vlc in the office is the one for me.
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22:26<Acidz0r>IcoNyx, check in BTS, you might find somebody else with the same problem if it's a bug.
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22:30<yitz>Hi. My Debian sid died. I've now got no virtual terminals. Just the x-server. I edited the gdm.conf file after it decided to try to find hosts on the network to log into instead of my local machine. Now when I log out, I lose the monitor signal
22:30<Supaplex>IcoNyx: yup. bts
22:30<Supaplex>!tell IcoNyx -about bts
22:30<Supaplex>yitz: did you try single user mode?
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22:31<Supaplex>I guess that's 0 user mode. *shrug*
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22:33<linuxguy>Hi there can someone please point me in the right direction to install the nvidia Fx5500 drriver for Debian etch please :)
22:33<yitz>Sorry for that. gdm/X11 died, signal lost. Cut power on PC. Single user mode works fine. And gdm works fine until it disconnects me
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22:34<Requiem>I'd assume add non-free to sources and then apt-cache search nvidia
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22:35<yitz>Do I need to reinstall X11/gdm?
22:36<kapil>yitz: points to some hardware problem
22:36<yitz>It was working fine until I updated some packages...
22:36<yitz>The hardware is brand new...
22:36<kapil>yitz: sorry. i see.
22:37<kapil>yitz: when does gdm disconnect you?
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22:37<yitz>kapil: Random? Once on clicking Switch User. Once on logging out and once during, uh, nothing
22:38<kapil>yitz: can you switch to console mode using ctrl-alt-{f1,f2}?
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22:39<yitz>kapil:I can get into a vterm with single user mode, but once X11/gdm runs, Ctrl+Alt+{n} switches to a blank screen (no video signal)
22:40<kapil>yitz: what was it you upgraded?
22:40<kapil>yitz: i.e. roughly what packages
22:40<yitz>kapil: not sure... basefiles, bsdbase stuff, a lot of base-type stuff. Could have also been xorg. Its a new instal, so I'm updating a lot
22:41<kapil>yitz: are you still running "stable" (etch) or have you upgraded from there?
22:42<yitz>I wanted Pidgin, so I switched over... If I got to reinstall again, I'm sticking to etch.
22:42<kapil>yitz: oops! there could be a number of different problems then. sid is too hot for me to handle.
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22:42<yitz>Is there a way to "downgrade" packages?
22:43<yitz>If I switch the repositories from sid to etch, how do I get it to reinstall an older package?
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22:43<kapil>yitz: if you do re-install read up on apt-pinning and/or backports so that you can run some newer packages with stable.
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22:44<yitz>Once you got a new package, is there any way to get an older one?
22:44<kapil>dpkg: downgrade
22:44<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
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22:45<kapil>yitz: so you are better off going back to a fresh install if that is not too much trouble.
22:47<yitz>Argh! I've ran the install 3 or 4 times already! I installed so much... It looks like I got little choice, though... *sigh* Alright. Thanks. This round: etch. pinning ("hold"?). backports. List of apt-get upgrades for easier repeat install.
22:47<Supaplex>yitz: and <chroot install> sid is like fire, it burns
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22:48<kapil>yitz: before you work too hard install apt-show-versions and run it to get an idea of how much you would need to downgrade
22:48<Supaplex>and unless it's pristine stable, don't expect it to function like stable, there are caveats all around
22:48<yitz><chroot install>? What's that mean?
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22:48<linuxguy>Hi there can someone please point me in the right direction to install the nvidia Fx5500 drriver for Debian etch please :)
22:49<kapil>yitz: if it is only a few packages (< 20 or so) then you can probably downgrade those by hand.
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22:50<yitz>Is `apt-show-versions` supposed to be a command - no spaces? I don't have it
22:50<yitz>nvm. Installing
22:51<kapil>yitz: "chroot install of sid" means you install "debootstrap" and run it to create a "sid" file-system (say /mnt). you then run the program you want to run in sid as "chroot /mnt <progname>".
22:51<kapil>yitz: chroot installs are alternate ways of running "sid" versions of some programs.
22:51<yitz>Ah. Doesn't that basically require the entire /bin to be installed twice, though?
22:52<kapil>yitz: it does but in separate places.
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22:53<yitz>I guess its better than a new partition/full install (with /home on a separate partition) because it saves from having to reboot to run a sid app
22:54<kapil>yitz: yes. and it works as long as your program does not make use of features from a newer kernel.
22:56<yitz>apt-show-versions > tmp ; wc -l tmp; cat tmp | grep sid | wc -l; -> 1053 lines, 1019 contain 'sid'. Downgrade possible? Not a chance. Where did that netinstall cd go...
22:57<kapil>yitz: another advantage of chroots is that if you install the chroot on a separate partition you can boot from it once you feel that it is stable enough.
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22:59<yitz>No advantage there. I was comparing chroot to two installs on two partitions. Unless you are comparing chroot to something else...
22:59<chump_>hey guys is there a program that manages my files by chance and keeps them organized?
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22:59<yitz>@chump_: No. Unless you mean a media library tool
23:00<yitz>@chump_: Nothing knows what your files are and can magically come up with an organization system for them
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23:01<yitz>Meh. I can almost run the net install blindfolded!
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23:20<linuxguy>Hi there can someone please point me in the right direction to install the nvidia Fx5500 drriver for Debian etch please :)
23:20<linuxguy><kapil> yitz: if it is only a few packages (< 20 or so) then you can probably downgrade those by hand.
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23:23<chealer>!tell linuxguy about ngd
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23:24<linuxguy>whats ngd?
23:25<Xenguy>nvidia graphics d_______ ?
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23:25<Xenguy>linuxguy: a bit of reading, but it works (if you are running stable/etch)
23:26<linuxguy>xenguy....yes i read.....but I cant find much about installing nvidia drivers here or on debians site
23:26<chealer>linuxguy: did you read the message sent to you by dpkg?
23:27<Xenguy>linuxguy: each time you update your kernel, BTW, you'll need to repeat 2 or 3 commands to get your X working again :P
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23:27<Xenguy>linuxguy: all the instructions you need are there <shrug>
23:27<linuxguy>no message appeared from dpkg........but i was expecting one
23:27<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
23:28<chealer>linuxguy: which IRC client do you use?
23:28<porky_t>does anyone know of a program or something that'll put my computer to sleep like it takes power away from the monitor? like that standby mode when it's idling?
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23:29<linuxguy>chealer Im using xchat.......ive just got that from dpmg......i will look into it :)
23:29<chealer>linuxguy: IIRC there should be a new tab dpkg's message.
23:29<chealer>s/tab dpkg/tab with dpkg/
23:30<linuxguy>chealeer....ive only just installed Debian and xcaht...ive just seen the dpkg tab.........i will read there to......thanks :)
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23:32<chealer>linuxguy: no problem. you can also void typos in nicks by using nickname tab-completion.
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23:33<linuxguy>chealer....i had aan idea about that.......but like i said Ive just finished installing debiaan and installing the kde desktop because i hate gnome
23:36<linuxguy>crumbs.....followed the instructions and I get this : Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑
23:36<linuxguy> │ ▮
23:36<linuxguy> │ Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to ▒
23:36<linuxguy> │ sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives.
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23:37<linuxguy>oops got kicked..anyone any ideas what I sshould ddo next please?
23:39<porky_t>open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and look how after the links written there is package types
23:40<porky_t>add the contrib and non-free types to that end
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23:48<chealer>linuxguy: you have non-free and contrib APT sources, right?
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23:50<linuxguy>chealer yes i know.......but I dont know what i should do now that those instructions failed
23:51<chealer>linuxguy: hum, what do you know? do you have non-free and contrib sources?
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23:52<linuxguy>chealer I just know that where i was pointed install the nvidia driver failed
23:52<chealer>linuxguy: at which step are you?
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23:54<linuxguy> Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑
23:54<linuxguy><linuxguy> │chealer I got thiss ▮
23:54<linuxguy><linuxguy> │ Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to ▒
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23:54<TrIoPs_Z>does anyone here know about Triops?
23:54<linuxguy>aand Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed
23:55<Hideo>um... did you read the error, that's what chealer and porky_t have been pointing you to
23:55<TrIoPs_Z>does anyone here know about triops? I have some questions about them
23:55<chealer>linuxguy: there are 3/4 steps in the guide. are you at step 1 or what?
23:56<linuxguy>chealer..well all I know is that from that point...the failure.......I couldnt see anything on how to correct it
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23:57<chealer>linuxguy: hum. what's your native language?
23:57<linuxguy>it is english and has been for 44 yrs
23:58<chealer>linuxguy: OK. do you see that there are 3 or 4 steps in the guide?
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23:59<linuxguy>chealer yes...and i also see that after the error message it tells me to cclick on ok...which then justs gives me root
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