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---Logopened Wed Jan 30 00:00:28 2008
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00:00<chealer>linuxguy: good. can you tell me the number of the step you're currently doing?
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00:01<linuxguy> i cant........I just see root@......whatever
00:04<chealer>linuxguy: did you read the "Overview" section of the guide? that talks about the steps you need to fo.
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00:05<yitz>If I am reinstalling debian over the old one (same partitions), why do I need to run grub-install again if the old grub was working?
00:05<linuxguy>chealer......yes i did.......i suspect my fx5500 is not supported like a few other distros
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00:05<chealer>linuxguy: OK. did you see the list of steps in that section?
00:06<chealer>yitz: you don't.
00:06<yitz>Then why is grub failing at stage 1.5?
00:07<chealer>yitz: there could be several reasons.
00:07<yitz>I tried running grub-install with no success. Gonna run the entire install process - yet another time
00:07<linuxguy>chealer.....yes i followed the instructions.....i thought everything was going fine when it downloaded the drivers and i got past it installing like this.......the dots......... then it said failed
00:07<yitz>@chealer: anything to try, prior to another install + grub
00:08<chealer>yitz: getting grub-install to work, I guess.
00:08<chealer>or investigating grub's failure
00:09<yitz>Heh. I ran rescue mode -> shell -> grub-install. Didn't work. I booted off gParted LiveCD and the grub-install failed.
00:09<yitz>Last time(s) I ran the install from the end of the debinstall it worked.
00:10<chealer>linuxguy: so, which one of the steps in that list are you currently executing?
00:11<linuxguy>chealer.......i think it fails at step 3......i have to click on OK to close terminal.....after that i just give up
00:11<yitz>Should I be setting the bootable flag on the partition that mounts as root (/)?
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00:11<kapil_away>yitz: rescue mode from CD I suppose. in that case you need "--root-directory" option for grub-install
00:12<chealer>linuxguy: OK, so you did "step 0"?
00:12<yitz>Should the / partition have the bootable flag set?
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00:12<kapil_away>yitz: usually that is a good idea but i don't think grub cares.
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00:14<linuxguy>chealer........i dont know .....sorry.......i just saw that it failed......btw....i am a qualified pc \ cisco qualified fella so i really do know what i should be doing with the instructions........i just suspect now that the nvidia fx5500 is poorly supported
00:18<chealer>linuxguy: sorry, but are you under the influence of alcohol, medication or something?
00:20<linuxguy>chealer...erm no.....i follow instructions from the site and it failed......if you want to visit my house in england (uk) so i can show you i have printed the stuff off and read it all.....get to install and it fails i can prove it all ok??
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00:21<chealer>linuxguy: OK, sorry. maybe someone else can help you more.
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00:21<Hideo>chealer is way more patient than I'll ever be
00:22<yitz>Wouldn't it make sense for the netinstaller CD to put all the questions at the start, collect any info needed, then run the rest completely uninteractively rather than asking questions every few minutes?
00:23<linuxguy>chealer....thanks......its the card thats at fault.......its vwery fussy with distros and how to install drivers
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00:24<chealer>yitz: if it was reasonably easy to implement, yes.
00:25<yitz>Hm... I see how a lot of the stuff can't really be asked up front, but what eg about the root password? That always gets asked...
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00:26<chealer>yitz: I believe it's not always asked.
00:27<yitz>Oh! How do you set up the install to skip that info?!
00:27<yitz>Any idea if the etch kernel has dual core support, or if I need to recompile to take advantage of the dual core?
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00:29<porky_t>the 64 bit kernel has it, i'm running a dual core processor]
00:29<porky_t>there's a program called system monitor i just found earlier that showed me activity in each one
00:29<yitz>Ooh! Will try that. Thanks
00:30<chealer>yitz: I guess expert mode would ask you about that.
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00:31<chealer>yitz: there are several Linux images in etch. all i386 image support SMP except the 486.
00:31<yitz>I saw no expert mode option during my install...
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00:39<yitz>Hm. aptitude logs everything it does. apt-get got no logging. So long as I use aptitude, I ought to be able to retrace all my steps...
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00:53<oleg>Good morning
00:55<oleg>How to make nfs-kernel-server follow symlinks?
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00:58<Schrodinger>hello all, I am having a weird problems with the shutdown sequence on my etch server
00:58<Schrodinger>Namely the Raid devices are not unmounting properly
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00:58<Schrodinger>I have tried google for 3 hours but noone seems to have a solution
00:58<Schrodinger>whenever I shut my machine down it comes up with "stopping md0 FAILED"
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01:00<oleg>Schrodinger: I think it's normal, because i have it too
01:01<oleg>Schrodinger: Your system i installed on md0?
01:01<yitz>Schrodinger: Do you even have RAIDed drives?
01:04<Schrodinger>I have a 1gb /boot that is on RAID1
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01:04<Schrodinger>I also have a 319gb partition as LVM as RAID1 containing root, swap, var and usr
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01:07<yitz>Gnome's Screen Resolution Preference -> How do I configure what options it offers?
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01:17<oleg>How to make nfs-kernel-server follow symlinks? Is it possible?
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01:20<vook>I'm running compiz on a non-xgl xserver. I'm curious what I'm missing? If I had an Xgl xserver, would this be somehow different?
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01:40<KRStjAN>hi, i want to edit the sudo with visudo, but my console just not open an editor i can use to edit and save. how can i change to editor? also my cvs dos not work cause of this problem. i want to commit my code, but i can not close the log. i do not know how i could change it. therefor a normal editor open, but now not.
01:41<KRStjAN>another problem:
01:41<KRStjAN>/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:60: Engine "clearlooks" is unsupported, ignoring
01:41<KRStjAN>what do i need to support clearlooks?
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01:44<loserbar>well as far as your first problem you can only edit in vi using the command visudo however you could also just edit it in /etc/sudoers
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01:45<loserbar>visudo checks for syntax errors and also does sanity checks
01:45<loserbar>what version of gtk do you have
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02:02<Slydder>morning all
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02:07<cmot>I'm sure there is a very simple method to remove all special chars (ansi escapes etc.) from a text file?
02:07<cmot>(terminal output from "script", in this case.)
02:07<JustSoul>cmot: grep
02:07<cmot>grep what?
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02:08<KRStjAN>okay, vi is the problem, because xterm is only black till i input :q return, then i am back in the console. :) nice!
02:08<KRStjAN>the version of gtk? i dont know, the newest?!
02:08<KRStjAN>@loserbar ^^
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02:12<cmot>JustSoul, grep what, exactly?
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02:12<cmot>(and I'm not convinced that grep is the correct tool here.)
02:13<cmot>More like sed, but I don't know the general syntax of an ANSI escape sequence...
02:14<pabs>I just upgraded to 2.6.24 - what would cause it to lose support for my battery & AC adaptor?
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02:15<kapil_away>cmot: "tr -d '[:cntrl:]' should delete all control characters.
02:16<chealer>pabs: LKM-s not being loaded?
02:17<loserbar>KRSTjAN what exactly is giving you this error
02:17<cmot>kapil_away, yeeees.....
02:18<KRStjAN>i start eclipse.
02:18<cmot>kapil_away, but it it deletes line endings, too, which I want to keep, and it only deletes the escape chars from the escape sequences, which also is not what i want
02:18<cmot>(still, I learned something already :-)
02:18<KRStjAN>it is not an real error...i think. but when i start gedit from the console the same error is there. since i installed debian.
02:18<KRStjAN>@loserbar: ^^
02:19<KRStjAN>~$ gedit
02:19<KRStjAN>(gedit:16722): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
02:19<KRStjAN> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
02:19<KRStjAN>(gedit:16722): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
02:19<kapil_away>cmot: how about "strings -a"
02:20<pabs>chealer: I guess I should boot both kernels and diff the lsmod
02:20<KRStjAN>searching for compatible vm...
02:20<KRStjAN> testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun...found
02:20<KRStjAN>(process:16746): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
02:20<KRStjAN>(<unknown>:16746): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
02:20<chealer>pabs: yeah
02:20<KRStjAN> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
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02:20<cmot>kapil_away, §same problem.
02:20<loserbar>KRSTjAN whats the output of
02:21<loserbar>'cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0'
02:21<@Ganneff>do not paste it here.
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02:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
02:21<loserbar>good call
02:22<kapil_away>cmot: to see the output of a "script" recording use "scriptreplay"...and now lunch truly beckons...
02:22<KRStjAN>when i start a java program then this is in the console with gui:
02:22<KRStjAN>/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:60: Engine "clearlooks" is unsupported, ignoring
02:22<cmot>kapil_away, lunch?
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02:22<cmot>kapil_away, it's not even 9 in the morning :-)
02:23<kapil_away>cmot: it is 13:00 over here in india
02:23<cmot>kapil_away, enjoy your meal, then
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02:28<KRStjAN>cat: ~/.gtkrc-2.0: No such file or directory
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04:08<wt>anyone know why "debuild -v'1:3.6.2'" wouldn't chop the changelog as I expect in the .changes file?
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04:53<philipp>my headphones dosent work and i have checkt if i have it switched on
04:53<AndyJ>philipp: Does other sound work?
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04:55<AndyJ>Have headphones worked in that socket before?
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04:56<philipp>andyj i think the headphones work too but not very loud... if i turn them full up its difficuld for me to hear anything
04:56<philipp>andyj even if i mute
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04:59<suiside>philipp: and you have sufficient volume set in alsamixer?
04:59<philipp>i have
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05:02<AndyJ>philipp: My first though is that the headphones could be plugged in to the wrong socket. If you're only getting very faint sound, that could be cross talk from another channel on the sound device
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05:04<philipp>you mean that it istn realy sended, They output only recived somethinkg magneticaly?
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05:06<AndyJ>I'd check hardware problems first - I've plugged devices into the input socket by mistake, and heard very faint output
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05:07<AndyJ>I've also seen cases where the headphone socket (front of case) is just a connection to the speaker out on the back of the case.
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05:10<philipp>i have 2 inputs for headphones one normal one with SPDIF but on both there ist faint sound
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05:12<AndyJ>What is the sound source?
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05:13<philipp>msn and Avril Lavigne on Amarok
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05:16<AndyJ>When you connect the headphones, does the sound stop coming out of the speakers?
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05:23<charl>hi all, i'm busy setting up firewall to replace an older one and they need to be exactly the same. is there an easy way get a list of the installed packages on the old machine and have aptitude install the missing ones on the new machine?
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05:24<hathe>charl: dpkg -l
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05:26<charl>hathe: thanks
05:28<hathe>charl: something like dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' > packages should do it
05:28<sep>hathe, charl whats wrong with dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections ?
05:29<themill>!debian clone
05:29<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
05:29<themill>!aptitude clone
05:29<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>.
05:29<hathe>sep: nothing, there are many ways ;)
05:31<themill>hathe: iirc dpkg -l used to truncate packagenames even in pipes so that method won't work on older boxes. (etch and later is fine though)
05:31<charl>dpkg: excellent! this helps, thanks
05:33<hathe>themill: I'm using sid since years, but thanks, didn't know there was a problem
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05:34<pabs>chealer: the acpi problem I had with linux 2.6.24 was due to
05:35<pabs>chealer: (just an FYI)
05:37<philipp>andyj no he dosent
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05:39<AndyJ>philipp: Have you had a look through this?
05:40<philipp>andyj it isnt os isnt it?
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05:41<AndyJ>philipp: Like I said, my first guess is a hardware problem, but ALSA handles multiple sound channels
05:42<philipp>Is the ALSA software Open source?
05:42<AndyJ>philipp: There's a lot of stuff on the internet about laptops dropping the headphone channel
05:42<berto>philipp: yet it is
05:43<AndyJ>tell phillip -about ALSA
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05:47<charl>is the a dpkg function that tells me which installed packages were automatically installed?
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05:51<myki>Hello. There was some console program used for example by dpkg, that allowed you to display simple terminal (curses) windows with questions. kind of like $ window -q "question". what was it called?
05:51<themill>!tell charl about aptitude-fu
05:52<themill>charl: erm... I thought it was in there... aptitude's search function can do it... working out what incantation to use is left as an exercise to the reader :)
05:52<pabs>myki: perhaps the dialog pkg
05:52<themill>myki: look at dialog
05:53<myki>pabs, themill, dialog, that's it, thanks
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05:54<philipp>andyj is it possible that i have 2 soundcards?
05:54<AndyJ>Sure. One on the motherboard, and another that is an added card, very common.
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05:56<philipp>andyj i think that on the motherbord is the legacy and the other is hda-intel and the better one right?
05:57<AndyJ>philipp: Not enough information
05:58<philipp> hda-intel Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Fa │
05:58<philipp> │ legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips
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06:02<charl>themill: you're right, thanks :)
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06:03<philipp>andyj... semms it dosent help
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06:04<AndyJ>philipp: This isn't the same problem, but talks about making sure things are correct in your ALSA mixer panel:
06:05<themill>philipp: You could perhaps wander across to #alsa and see if they can help. There often aren't many people there, but they know the guts of alsa much better. You may have to ask at different times during the day as people come and go.
06:05<porky_t>is there a way to compile up a kernel module for a later kernel and toss it into this etch one?
06:05<porky_t>i have an unsupported sound card in any kernel and want to get the 680i nforce onboard sound going
06:07<philipp>andyj i think thats my problem but i use kde
06:07<porky_t>i just wouldn't know where to start, or would this be something i'd have to grab a new kernel from?
06:07<AndyJ>philipp: Just poke around in KDE until you find a similar mixer settings panel and check preferences
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06:22<philipp>andyj is there a way to repair my sound?
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06:27<philipp>andiy i think i have found something simmelar
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06:40<philipp>andyj there is no such option...
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06:44<knoppix__>jmd da ?!
06:44<knoppix__>someone here ?
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06:45<Guest1038>hello ?!
06:45<themill>dpkg: greet Guest1038
06:45<dpkg>Bonjour, Guest1038
06:45<Guest1038>i have big trouble...could someone help me ?!
06:45<themill>!just ask
06:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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06:47<Guest1038>I use Xp, but somehow i killed my bootsector, and now i couldn?t boot i tryed to overwrite my boot.ini, but i couldn?t.. not the right rights...
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06:48<themill>Guest1038: I'm yet to see the debian-related aspect of this problem.
06:49<Guest1038>i know that it?s possibple so start programs in the root console, but forgott how... i hope if i open the boot.ini with root rights i could chance the,
06:51<themill>Guest1038: I take it you're currently using knoppix. Perhaps ask them in #knoppix on
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06:51<Gekz>or #flood...
06:52<porky_t>you have to be invited there
06:54<Guest1038> are not a such a big help i hope...anyway thank you for your attansion
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07:04<philipp>my headphones dosent work
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07:05<philipp>i have switched it on and tryed to install an alsa driver
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07:14<morph>sup people?
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07:18<himanshu>Hi Every bdy
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07:18<Gekz>hi doctor nick.
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07:19<himanshu>Hi Gekz
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07:21<evertonreis>tem alguem ai
07:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:23<themill>evertonreis: /join #debian-br
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07:24<evertonreis>join #debian - br
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07:26<evertonreis>vc sabe me dizer como se usa isso aki?
07:27<evertonreis>responde desgraça
07:27<evertonreis>to falando com vc
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07:29<Kebianizao|work>is there a raw tcp chat application?
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07:30<ShaiGar>I wonder, could anyone help me with a little problem i've been having? This is the problem... I've bought an old computer with XP installed, but the BIOS settings in this thing do not allow for booting from an external source. I've tried a few different programs that are supposed to install linux over windows, but none have worked for me
07:30<Kebianizao|work>so I connect to the other end and chat in console? I'm trying with netcat but it doesn't seem to be transmiting what I write
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07:30<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: so hard disk is the only booting method? weird
07:31<ShaiGar>very weird
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07:31<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: what did you tried so far?
07:31<ShaiGar>i've considered and discarded the option of installing to HDD from another computer but none of the others are working
07:32<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: that should work, why not doing it?
07:33<ShaiGar>I've tried UNetBootin, and 2 different netinstall programs, but when it asks for the boot option after the reboot the arrow keys stop working
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07:33<ShaiGar>because the other computers in the house do not work, or have PSUs that keep crashing
07:33<ShaiGar>don't have the money to fix them, this computer cost me 50 dollars
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07:34<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: have you tried gooby microsoft?
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07:35<ShaiGar>gooby microsoft... no i have not, i'll google and see what i can come up with
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07:35<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: just a moment
07:35<hever>Hi I'm going to create a bind9 deb package under debian etch. The Problem is that I need checkinstall which is not available for stable.... what should I do? Using testing will me bring to use libc6 from testing....
07:36<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: ^
07:36<weasel>hever: what's wrong with the bind9 package in etch?
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07:36<ajricoveri>i wish to know how to change char resolution in plain text mode?? im talking about plain bash, no X at all
07:36<ShaiGar>trying that now, thank you kep
07:36<hever>weasel: I have to recompile it --with-dlz-mysql support...
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07:37<weasel>hever: then apt-get source it, change the rules file, update the changelog, and dpkg-buildpackage it.
07:37<weasel>checkinstall is not a solution.
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07:37<ShaiGar>shall be back to inform you either way
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07:37<weasel>checkinstall is an ugly hack
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07:38<hever>weasel: Oh I didn't know dpkg-buildpackage... I listened here only from checkinstall ;) thanks
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07:38<OdyX>checkinstall is still a good turnaround for pure *.tar.gz sources ...
07:39<weasel>no, it's not. just make a real package out of them.
07:39<ajricoveri>how do i change text res on texmode ???
07:39<ajricoveri>i mean plain bash, not X ...
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07:41<JustSoul>Hello, what X program can work with zip/rar files?
07:41<devil>JustSoul: unrar
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07:42<devil>JustSoul: or file-roller, if gui is wanted
07:42<devil>JustSoul: but that needs unrar as well, iirc
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07:42<ShaiGar>Kebianizao|work: i'm afraid that while your solution had quite a bit of merit to it, and seemed to work perfectly, when it came to the boot option parts the keyboard arrows refused to work again
07:43<OdyX>weasel: Well... for low-skilled users, checkinstall is still pretty easy to "teach" (better than # make install ) ...
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07:43<JustSoul>devil: thx
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07:44<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: then it should be some grub error
07:45<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: could you describe what exactly happens?
07:45<themill>JustSoul: see also unrar-nonfree in the non-free section of the archive for a better version of unrar
07:46<ShaiGar>it reboots, gets to the bootscreen where i am to choose between Debian and XP, and tells me to use the arrows to make a choice. the counter counts down, but the arrows do not work
07:46<themill>JustSoul: erm... it seems that unrar-nonfree has been renamed... ignore me
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07:46<ShaiGar>i tried the WASD and the 8462 keys as well
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07:50<hever>weasel: thanks dpkg-buildpackage works fine... good to know this tool
07:50<ShaiGar>I'm not terribly proficient with computers, I just wanted to get rid of this windows crap anyway i could
07:51<ShaiGar>while replacing it with linux
07:51<JustSoul>ark with unrar-free cannot open .rar file; write that program connot be found unrar. But it installed
07:52<OdyX>JustSoul: use unrar-free directly in commandline
07:52<weasel>hever: did you change the debian/changelog?
07:52<weasel>you should have.
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07:53<JustSoul>OdyX: I need gui-version of it
07:53<hever>weasel: I did not understand the notation at first.
07:53<ajricoveri>is there a better alternative to svgatextmode ???
07:53<weasel>hever: use "dch -i"
07:54<amphi>ajricoveri: fbconsole?
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07:54<hever>weasel: There is no dch command
07:55<ajricoveri>amphi: can i manipulate framebuffer with that?? how can i be sure my kernel does support framebuffer ??
07:55<gsimmons>!tell ajricoveri -about fbcon
07:55<weasel>hever: devscripts package
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07:56<amphi>ajricoveri: modprobe -l | grep fb should show you; there's a generic vesafb module, and various card-specific ones
07:56<hever>weasel: I see. interesting.
07:57<hever>weasel: kewl, now I have my own bind9 debian package with dlz-mysql support...
07:57<ajricoveri>amphi: thx dude =) i will google about all of that
07:58<amphi>ajricoveri: Documentation/fb/ in the kernel src directory has some info on this
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07:59<Kebianizao|work>how do I update the library cache?
07:59<Kebianizao|work>ShaiGar: why don't you wait for the timeout?
08:00<amphi>Kebianizao|work: run ldconfig
08:00<JustSoul>Is it possible to make ark read cp1251/cp866 in arcs?
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08:00<Kebianizao|work>amphi: :S I did but still can't find a lib I've created
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08:01<beef01>Kebianizao|work, You have to include the dir of your lib in
08:01<amphi>Kebianizao|work: where is it? under /usr/local? if so, make sure /usr/local/lib in in /etc/
08:01<Kebianizao|work>beef01: I know it's bad but it's on /usr/lib
08:01<Kebianizao|work>the problem is that cmake is unable to handle the liniking with libdebug library
08:02<Kebianizao|work>so I decided to do a link with another name, but now:
08:02<Kebianizao|work>ld cannot fin the hacked lib link
08:03<Kebianizao|work>usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lguaydbg
08:03<beef01>There was an option with that ld is follwing links, I think... Hmmm
08:03<beef01>Not sure at this moment
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08:05<Kebianizao|work>beef01: can't find it :S
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08:06<amphi>where is it? ;)
08:07<Kebianizao|work>I mean the follow symlink option
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08:10<seanius>hever: have you considered reporting a wishlist bug for that?
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08:10<seanius>i have no idea what dlz-mysql actually *is*, but hey, sounds interesting :)
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08:10<drajar>I have a problem with xfsdump
08:11<hever>seanius: You can have zones in a mysql database.
08:11<drajar>xfsdump crash my system; in log does not see nothing
08:12<drajar>have somebody the same problem?
08:12<hever>seanius: Where can I post this wish ?
08:12<drajar>I use debian testing
08:13<drajar>I checked fs and is ok
08:13<drajar>aparently xfsdump crash if I work in the same time
08:14<drajar>if don't work when dump work dump is finished ok
08:15<amphi>heh, that took me a moment to parse
08:15<themill>!tell hever about reportbug
08:16<drajar>if don't work when dump work, dump is finished ok
08:17<amphi>drajar: yes, you said that
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08:20<drajar>how can I debug this situation?
08:20<drajar>I started xfs verbose mode
08:21<drajar>and in log apear to work ok
08:21<drajar>it stop at inode x
08:21<drajar>the file with inode x is ok
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08:22<drajar>inode x is not the same on different crash
08:22<drajar>I cannot do nothing in that system
08:23<drajar>only use SysRq magic key
08:23<amphi>drajar: did you try running xfsdump on gdb? perhaps better done on a fs you don't care too much about ;)
08:23<drajar>I cant start another session
08:24<drajar>the system respond on ping, but cant ssh on it
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08:25<drajar>hmm; I can try gdb
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08:25<seanius>hever: use the reportbug tool to file a wishlist bug against bind9 asking for them to add the flag (you might also want to suggest providing it in a second package if the maintainer doesn't like the idea of adding dependencies)
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08:28<amphi>drajar: a backtrace might be useful
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08:31<purple>hello :)
08:32<purple>im a newbie with debian but actively using gentoo for over a year, i meant to ask to i need initrd to boot my custom kernel or not and why is it needed? didnt used initrd with gentoo ever so i dont know, pls help
08:33<petemc>you're not forced to use an initrd with debian, no
08:33<purple>ah, cool, thanx
08:33<purple>why initrd is used anyway?
08:34<themill>purple: it's the easiest way of making a modular kernel (i.e. small memory footprint when actually running) and still support everyone's hardware.
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08:35<purple>themill: enough for me, thanks for helping me out
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08:38<purple>themill: i was confused when first time ran make-kpkg and i got some error regarding init{ramfs,rd} and grub
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08:39<purple>and is there some sort of module autoloading similar to gentoo's /etc/autoload.d/kernel-2.6?
08:41<drajar>amphi: there is no backtrace
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08:43<drajar>dumping /
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08:44<drajar>. /sbin/xfsdump: using file dump (drive_simple) strategy
08:44<drajar>. /sbin/xfsdump: version 2.2.45 (dump format 3.0) - Running single-threaded
08:45<drajar>. /sbin/xfsdump: level 0 dump of drajar:/
08:46<drajar>./sbin/xfsdump: ino map phase 1: constructing initial dump list
08:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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08:53<drajar>sorry for paste
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08:56<drajar>as u can see in log nothing is wrong aparently
08:57<amphi>drajar: it hasn't crashed?
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08:58<drajar>this is wht xfsdump write in log
08:58<drajar>after that, I cannot access system
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08:58<drajar>I waited 15 min and nothing was writed in log
08:59<drajar>I cant access sys, so used sysrq magic key to reboot
09:00<purple>themill: apparently 2.6.24's got compiled, off to boot it out
09:00<themill>good luck :)
09:00<drajar>in syslog and in messages is nothing reffered this per of time
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09:27<purple>themill: yay! worked
09:29<themill>good stuff. Notice any improvements with 2.6.24?
09:29<amphi>purple: 2.6.24? it seems to be working well here
09:29<purple>themill: not really, i just installed and configured debian for the first time
09:30<purple>i meant to ask one more thing, does debian autoloads any module i specified in kernel?
09:30<purple>no need to write modules names somewhere to be loaded?
09:31<themill>purple: you mean /etc/modules ?
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09:31<ajricoveri>can i insert an image over the console with fbcon ???
09:32<purple>themill: gentoo has /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 for that purpose
09:32<purple>seems its the same thing
09:33<purple>seems i dont have a backup of 2.6 file and need to unpack gentoo tarball to pull it out
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09:35<amphi>purple: just put the names of modules you want (that aren't loaded automagically) in /etc/modules
09:35<adii>i need help with configuring bind9 dns server: I want to tell him "if a client asks you the address of "somewhere" and you don't have "somewhere" in your database, then go check dns server "" "
09:36<purple>amphi: seems that good part of modules apparently already loaded
09:36<purple>like tv card module and sound card
09:37<amphi>purple: yes, most should be loaded automagically
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09:37<purple>i think just i2c modules arent, will check something out
09:38<themill>adii: look at the forwarders syntax for /etc/bind/named.conf. e.g. forwarders {; };
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09:38<adii>ok i'll :)
09:38<amphi>purple: i2c module loads here automatically
09:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 348] by debhelper
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09:40<purple>amphi: its loaded here TOO, i must overlooked it
09:40<amphi>lsmod | grep foo is useful ;)
09:40<purple>i used lsmod just and hadnt see those
09:40<purple>but they're loaded
09:40*purple start <3 debian so much
09:41<purple>its too much easier than gentoo
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09:41<purple>would be great if there are package mirrors for CPU specific branches
09:42<jMCg>purple: there's i386, amd64, ppc, ppc64,.. and something like that.
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09:43<purple>yeah but i meant on something specific like athlon-xp :D
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09:44<jMCg>If you're bored, you can compile the software yourself.
09:44<purple>jMCg: not that bored :)
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09:51<purple>next >> Mission: GNOME :)
09:51<adii>okay i've read bind9 documentation but there's still something that I can't get : I can define which servers are gonna be querried first with "option { fowarders {}; forward first; }; " , but how can I set which are gonna be querried second
09:52<adii>I mean, I obviously want the dns server to search on his own database then ask to a "bigger" dns server
09:53<adii>so I have "forwarders; forward first;" but where to put the "bigger" dns server to search afterwards
09:53<petemc>fwiw, you can just install bind9 and with the default config it will do the right thing
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09:54<adii>i'm afraid it doesn't :p
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09:54<adii>well at least on my network it does not ;p
09:55<hever>How can I use sendmail to send a simple plain text file to a given address ?
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09:55<petemc>adii: why, what does it not do right?
09:56<Lynoure>hever: if your mail server is configured right, you can you mail command. See man mail for more details.
09:56<petemc>hever: easier to use the mail command , cat file.txt | mail foo@bar
09:56<AnyFile>I installed etch, but after reboot the X failed (No screen found). My videocard is nVidia GeForce 8600 GS 512 MB. What can I do?
09:57<adii>i'm on computer "adii" , and there's computer "chaudron" which his next to me. When I'm resolving hostnames thanks to chaudron (which is running bind9), I can access the network but not the Internet
09:57<petemc>and you think thats bind9s problem?
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09:58<adii>when I put my ISP Dns server address I can access the Internet , and when I put chaudron's address I can only have the network (no internet address are resolved) so I guess it is :x
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09:59<pumpkin0>AnyFile: remove the debian-nvdia drivers, remove the nvidia file in /etc/init.d. Then install the nvidia-com drivers.
10:00<petemc>adii: is bind listening on the other machine? can the machine bind9 is on resolve hostnames?>
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10:00<gsimmons>AnyFile: FYI, the GeForce 8600 (G84) isn't supported by the Xorg "nv" driver supplied with etch.
10:00<AnyFile>pumpkin0: what do you mean with nvidia-com driver?
10:01<pumpkin0>AnyFile: go to and download the driver from there.
10:01<AnyFile>ok, thanks
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10:02<ajricoveri>how can i set boot logo on framebuffer the easy way?? do i have to really recompile the kernel ???
10:02<pumpkin0>AnyFile: you have to remove the old, debian-driver first. One of the /etc/init.d/nvi* files kills the install at each reboot.
10:02<adii>petemc : To test that I'm using "nslookup". and everything seems to be working fine. When I look up my own dns server I can resolve both internet addresses and lan addresses (for example, (my network) and )
10:03<petemc>im finding it hard to follow you
10:03<AnyFile>Before this problem I had another one. No disk was detected by the installation. And the only way I was able to find to solve this problem was to change in the BIOS use SATA drive as RAID instead of EIDE. Is this normal?
10:04<adii>i'm sorry , this is probably due to my english. It would be easier in French but well... anyways I think I've found a solution thanks to your last question ;p
10:04<petemc>adii: when logged into "chaudron" , can you ping
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10:04<voxvirus>i'd apreciate if someone could point me to doc/howto/tuts/etc on setting up alsa with snd-hda-intel on an acer aspire 5720 on _DEBIAN_ not ubunto, thanks in advance
10:04<pumpkin0>AnyFile: it really depends on the BIOS and board. Some create wired stuff you select EIDE, some create strange matter if you select RAID.
10:05<AnyFile>actaully I can not figure out what that option means (no help about that anywhere)
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10:05<petemc>adii: when logged into adii , does "dig @chaudrons_ip_address" work?
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10:05<adii>yes it does
10:06<adii>both when /etc/resolv.conf is set on "" and on my ISP address
10:06<adii>(I meant for ping)
10:06<adii>but dig works too
10:07<amphi>voxvirus: apart from modprobe snd-hda-intel, what do you mean?
10:07<petemc>this is on chaudron?
10:07<adii>what I'm afraid off is that it will always go and ask the master dns server
10:07<adii>instead of prying into its own database
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10:07<petemc>adii: well, you have no need to be concerned about that, the default config is a caching nameserver
10:07<petemc>it seems to me like you're inventing problems
10:07<pmenier>adii: i've a config with local dns server <which works. You want the config file ?
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10:08<petemc>the config that debian supplies works
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10:08<adii>yea it would be helpful
10:08<petemc>no, it would make you even more confused
10:09<pmenier>as you want...
10:10<adii>is there a file where it stocks the IP address of already-resolved hostnames ?
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10:13<voxvirus>amphi: during the install it was already loaded, i already loaded it by hand, tried adding "options snd-hda-intel model=acer" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, even tried recompiling the module with m-a, still no sound
10:13<gsimmons>voxvirus: What version of ALSA are you using?
10:14<voxvirus>amphi: THEORETICALY it should work with alsa 1.0.15 which is what is in sid, still, no luck, i'm all out of ideas :(
10:14<amphi>voxvirus: what do you see in alsamixer?
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10:15<voxvirus>gsimmons: alsa-base yelds 1.0.15-4
10:15<voxvirus>amphi: all up
10:15<amphi>voxvirus: I have no master channel in the mixer; here, initially it only played one channel, but I was able to enable the other in aumix
10:15<leonidas>hi, anyone good with squid?
10:15<gsimmons>voxvirus: You have un-muted and raised the sound levels?
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10:16<gsimmons>leonidas: Just go ahead and ask your question.
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10:17<voxvirus>amphi: do you have any sound at all with it?
10:17<amphi>voxvirus: yes, sound works fine here now
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10:18<leonidas>I am using debian testing and on my network I have squid. when i tried to connect to XChat and bitlbee i get this error message "HTTP/1.0 403 forbidden proxy traversal failed"
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10:18<amphi>voxvirus: but I'm running 2.6.24
10:19<amphi>voxvirus: pcm is unmuted?
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10:19<leonidas>squid is configured to run http and other protocols fine
10:19<leonidas>don't know how to solve that issue
10:19<voxvirus>amphi: 2.6.23 here, i presume you hand compiled the kernel then
10:20<amphi>voxvirus: yes, vanilla with phc patch
10:20<gsimmons>leonidas: Have you defined an ACL for your clients and permitted access to your proxy via "http_access allow $aclname"?
10:20<voxvirus>amphi: yeah, i've double checked all that, unfortunately
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10:20<leonidas>yes gsimmons
10:20<amphi>voxvirus: if make-kpkg is 'hand compiling' ;)
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10:21<leonidas>squid is running fine on any http access other than xchat
10:22<leonidas>there isn't much on my problem on google or else where
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10:23<gsimmons>leonidas: Please provide the contents of your /etc/squid/squid.conf file at a paste site.
10:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:23<voxvirus>well, i was trying to avoid going to, but if your config is working, hell i'll give it a shot, ty
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10:24<amphi>welcome; BTW, does that laptop have a 3-button pad?
10:24<voxvirus>amphi: oh, btw, did you add anything else to modprobe or just modprobed snd-hda-intel?
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10:25<amphi>voxvirus: snd-hda-intel is loaded automagically here
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10:26<amphi>voxvirus: remember to enable pcm2 in aumix if you can only hear one channel (assuming it behaves similarly to mine)
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10:35<voxvirus>amphi: ok i wil
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10:41<gsimmons>leonidas: You likely haven't permitted HTTP CONNECT for the standard ircd port (TCP 6667). Define a new ACL (eg. "acl irc port 6667"), then permit related connections ("http_access allow CONNECT irc"). You'd want to place the access rule before the default CONNECT deny for non-SSL ports.
10:42<leonidas>gsimmons, sorry it took me so long but here it is,
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10:53<leonidas>gsimmons: I still get the same error
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10:54<gsimmons>leonidas: You've restarted Squid after making your configuration amendments?
10:54<leonidas>yes i did
10:54<gsimmons>leonidas: Please pastebin your updated squid.conf.
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11:02<leonidas>gsimmons: Thank you for your help, it now works. At first, I had placed the acl rule after the default CONNECT deny for non-SSL ports. Then, read again your advices at it worked. Why is it that the place of an acl has such an importance??
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11:04<gsimmons>leonidas: Because they're interpreted in the order presented.
11:04<purple>anyone familiared with gentoo? i need to ask is there any feature in apt similar to gentoo's "eclean-dist -d"?
11:05<amphi>purple: apt-get clean will remove downloaded debs, if that's what you mean
11:05<padski>purple, what does it do ?
11:05<purple>amphi: no, i want to delete old ones and to keep new ones
11:06<padski>purple, autoclean
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11:06<purple>autoclean should be appended on every apt-get run?
11:06<amphi>purple: the command I gave removes downloaded .debs, not the installed packages
11:07<purple>amphi: i know but i dont want to delete all debs from cache
11:07<purple>just old ones
11:07<themill>purple: I don't bother with clean or autoclean... not until /var is looking full.
11:07<purple>old ones of the same package
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11:08<themill>!apt-get autoclean
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11:08<dpkg>[apt-get autoclean] like apt-get clean, autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless. This allows a cache to be maintained over a long period without it growing out of control.
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11:09<evilbelgian>hi guys, i just plugged in my removable harddrive but when i try to acces it it gives me the error hal-storage-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
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11:09<themill>evilbelgian: were you asking about that yesterday?
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11:10<evilbelgian>themill: no i was asking about installing open office yesterday
11:10<evilbelgian>themill: with me its a garanteed new problem everyday
11:10<purple>themill: thanks :)
11:10<purple>..again :)
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11:11<themill>evilbelgian: ahh... someone was and we didn't manage to solve it. Are you in the plugdev group?
11:11<amphi>evilbelgian: pmount ?
11:12<evilbelgian>themill: plugdev??
11:13<evilbelgian>amphi: pmount??
11:13<amphi>you should be able to mount it with pmount
11:14<evilbelgian>what section would that be under in synaptic package manager
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11:15<themill>evilbelgian: you need in the plugdev group (type "id" in a terminal to see your membership)
11:15<amphi>no idea - aptitude install pmount should get it
11:15<evilbelgian>i found it
11:16<evilbelgian>in synaptic but its already installed
11:16<evilbelgian>now to find it
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11:16<amphi>evilbelgian: pmount /dev/whatever
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11:16<themill>evilbelgian: are you wanting to do this from kde or gnome or something?
11:17<purple>themill: apt-get autoclean is what i needed :)
11:17<themill>!tell evilbelgian about kde automount
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11:19<evilbelgian>thanks themill but when i try to do it , it asks me if i am root and then denies access
11:19<evilbelgian>doing this from shell console
11:20<themill>evilbelgian: doing what?
11:20<evilbelgian>aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins
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11:21<themill>evilbelgian: so do that as root...
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11:22<evilbelgian>*feels the impending flame*
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11:23<drajar>amphi: xfsdump - the problem is similar with that described there:
11:24<drajar>only that I have less inodes with data
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11:24<themill>evilbelgian: put on the asbestos pants ;) at your konsole, type su - then give your root password.
11:24<drajar>and dont know if the process is the same(kswapd0)
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11:25<drajar>and I have more recent versions :)
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11:26<amphi>drajar: do you see the disk thrashing even while xfsdump is apparently making no progress?
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11:28<amphi>so it looks to be kswapd in your case too
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11:29<evilbelgian>once that is done then what
11:29<evilbelgian>once i have installed and added myself to plugdev
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11:32<drajar>after 4 years the bug is not resolved ? :)
11:33<themill>evilbelgian: yes. As root, run adduser your_username plugdev
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11:33<evilbelgian>i did that
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11:34<evilbelgian>and then logged out and back in and it still doesn't work
11:34<amphi>drajar: I'm not sure, who, if anyone, currently works on xfs
11:34<themill>evilbelgian: so in a konsole, if you run id it shows the plugdev group?
11:34<Supaplex>!start a fs war
11:34<dpkg>UDF will eat all your data!!
11:34<amphi>sgi is no longer with us
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11:35<drajar>xfs no, reiser no...
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11:36<evilbelgian>when i type run adduser evilbelgian(my username) plugdev it tells me that i am already in that group
11:36<Supaplex>evilbelgian: you usually have to relogin all over again when groups change to pickup the new groupids
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11:38<evilbelgian>i did
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11:43<Supaplex>does id, and id `whoami` differ?
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11:43<Supaplex>order doesn't matter, but missing gid's do
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11:44<themill>evilbelgian: what is the filesystem is on the removable disk?
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11:50<themill>ahh... that's part of the problem. You sure we weren't working on this the other day?
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11:51<evilbelgian>i got it yesterday and just copied stuff over from my windows pc
11:51<evilbelgian>and then problem
11:52<themill>As root, it's really easy to mount the ntfs drive /msg dpkg ntfs. To do it as a user with automount things is harder.... I don't think we came up with a way of doing it yesterday.
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11:53<voxvirus>ah.. got sound :D
11:53<voxvirus>wierd bug
11:53<voxvirus>well, ty, bye
11:53<themill>Supaplex: so it seems
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11:53<evilbelgian>well i can mount as root easy
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11:54<evilbelgian>i have root terminal open now
11:55<evilbelgian>so if anyone has the instructions, it would be fantastic if they were forthcoming
11:55<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
11:55<themill>^^ that makes it permanently available. Or you can just issue a mount command with those options.
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11:56<evilbelgian>*passes out because command is confusing*
11:59<nareshov>How do I get double-tap and scrolling to work on my touchpad?
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12:00<evilbelgian>"to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want" what does that part mean
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12:01<nareshov>evilbelgian: do "id yourlogin"
12:01<nareshov>evilbelgian: that prints your uid and gid
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12:02<evilbelgian>then i place mine into the command
12:02<amphi>drajar: I didn't find anything recent on xfsdump and kswapd :( there's an ancient (2002) lkml thread
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12:06<evilbelgian>it gives me a no such file or directory
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12:10<evilbelgian>ok now its mounted
12:10<evilbelgian>but i can't access it
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12:12<evilbelgian>because the owner it set to root
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12:18<evilbelgian>excuse me but now i have a mounted hardrive that will not unmount and i don't have access to it
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12:19<evilbelgian>and i being noob in all things linux am severely annoyed
12:19<nareshov>evilbelgian: can you explain the problem to me?
12:20<evilbelgian>i just unplugged it and replugged it now to see if that will unmount it
12:20<evilbelgian>now its not showing up at all
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12:21<evilbelgian>ok works again but back at saqure one
12:21<evilbelgian>lets see if i can mount it without making ti accessible only to root
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12:21<nareshov>what's your fstab line like?
12:22<evilbelgian>i am noob in all things linux
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12:23<nareshov>evilbelgian: are you using debian by choice? or is this someone else's comp you're on?
12:23<evilbelgian>by choice
12:23<drajar>so I'm only one that use xfs ??
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12:23<nareshov>you mean you chose debian over ubuntu?
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12:24<evilbelgian>and i am installing it on my laptop the pc i am on now is still windows. i chose debian because my trusted friend in the field of linux os choosing told me the following "ubuntu is to watered down, install debian"
12:25<evilbelgian>plus i am throughly enjoying all this troubleshooting, gives me a chance to learn new things
12:25<themill>evilbelgian: sorry... was called away.
12:25<themill>nareshov: I doubt removable ntfs drives are any easier to handle under ubuntu.
12:25<themill>evilbelgian: you tried "mount" at the command line. -- what was the command you used?
12:25<evilbelgian>themill: its ok
12:25<nareshov>wasn't really aware of the case at hand, sorry :)
12:26<ajricoveri>evilbelgian: ubuntu is really nice for starting at linux, from there u can move easily to debian
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12:26<nareshov>for example, ubuntu adds neat fstab lines for your fat32/ntfs partitions
12:27<evilbelgian>umm well essentially this one
12:27<themill>evilbelgian: no, please pastebin exactly what you did. it makes it easier for us to spot problems
12:27<evilbelgian>here it is , typing ti over from the laptop
12:28<nareshov>neat fstab line = gid=group-id-of-plugdev, umask=007
12:29<evilbelgian>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=03,dmask=0222
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12:29<nareshov>ya, so how do I get double-tap and scrolling to work on mmy touchpad?
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12:30<themill>evilbelgian: ok, close. try: mount -t ntfs -o ro,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=03,dmask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
12:30<themill>!tell nareshov about synaptics
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12:32<evilbelgian>error = mount: mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist
12:32<nareshov>mkdir /mnt/sda1
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12:34<evilbelgian>nareshov am i meant to add in the mkdir before /mnt/sda1
12:35<themill>evilbelgian: run this command first (as root): mkdir -p /mnt/sda1
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12:37<themill>evilbelgian: then retry the mount command I gave you.
12:37<evilbelgian>yayies it works
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12:38<themill>when you've finished copying files across, you can use umount /mnt/sda1
12:39<evilbelgian>ok, and if i ever need to mount it again
12:39<evilbelgian>which should be often
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12:39<themill>Also, if you have lots and lots of files to copy, consider using rsync rather than just cp or drag+drop in kde. It's restartable, clever, but takes a while to work out how to use it.
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12:40<evilbelgian>this interests me
12:40<themill>evilbelgian: if this is a regular thing, then add a line to /etc/fstab (as root). The line you pasted in earlier (without "mount") at the start should work.
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12:40<themill>evilbelgian: then you can just "mount /mnt/sda1" as a normal user. THere's a clicky interface in kde for it too.
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12:41<themill>!tell evilbelgian about rsync
12:41<themill>evilbelgian: it's in the rsync package. man rsync has some good examples.
12:42<evilbelgian>well before i do all that i need to get my wireless network card
12:42<evilbelgian>i need to figure out hwo to use ndiswrapper
12:42<themill>evilbelgian: what wireless card is it?
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12:43<evilbelgian>the fcc id = mq4wg2k4
12:44<themill>ummm..... can you see it in lspci?
12:44<evilbelgian>lspci ??
12:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids, or ask me about <pciid>
12:44<themill>it's a command
12:44<evilbelgian>its cardbus
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12:45<evilbelgian>yeah i can
12:45<themill>Can you give me a name for it? And it's number from the output of lspci -n
12:45<evilbelgian>acx 111 54mbps wireless interface
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12:46<dpkg>i guess acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully)., or, or v0.3.36 does not compile with kernel 2.6.22 (
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12:46<themill>evilbelgian: that's as much as I know about it.... good luck :)
12:46<evilbelgian>104c: 9066
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12:47<evilbelgian>oh shizer
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12:47<themill>evilbelgian: actually, it might not be *that* bad.... I think some of the acx stuff is now in the kernel and much of that information is wrong.... stick it in and see if "lsmod | grep acx" gives any output...
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12:49<evilbelgian>god theres an entire wiki dedicated to this, that cannot be good
12:49<drajar>I gzip result of xfsdump; can be that the problem of system freeze?
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12:50*nareshov C-a C-d
12:50<evilbelgian>gtg for now, dinner
12:50<evilbelgian>talk later
12:50<Wesley_>Hello! I have a postfix related question on debian.. sorry if it's offtopic; I'm setting up a mail server, but it gets rejected by others with "HELO and IP do not match, but should" where can I find more information on how to fix this?
12:50<themill>evilbelgian: have fun
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12:51<Wesley_>google just shows how to block it, mostly
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12:51<themill>Wesley_: You get that when postfix is claiming to be a machine that doesn't resolve to the IP address that you are connecting from.
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12:52<themill>Wesley_: make sure contains the right thing in myhostname =
12:52<Wesley_>Mm, the ip is reverse DNS tho
12:52<Wesley_>also myhostname is setup correctly ..
12:53<Wesley_>when I manualy telnet it it also returns the right hostname
12:53<Wesley_>before and after the helo
12:54<themill>Wesley_: do the error messages tell you what the HELO was and what the IP was that they didn't like?
12:54<Wesley_>unfortunaly not
12:54<Wesley_>syslog on the server that sees it as spam doesn't seem to show it either
12:54<themill>Wesley_: either in the bounce mail or in /var/log/mail.*
12:54<Wesley_>ill check
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12:54<themill>Wesley_: you have access to the machine that's rejecting the mail?
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12:55<Wesley_>doesn't reject it there, just mars it as SPAM due to the points given
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12:56<kisbes>package is not availabl
12:56<kisbes>is it going to be?
12:56<Wesley_>themill; doesn't seem to say what the IP/helo was
12:56<Wesley_>in fact I don't see a helo at all
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12:56<themill>kisbes: it's in non-free
12:56<kisbes>since I have a "shuffled"/"mixed" system and etch drivers are not supported by my system
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12:56<kisbes>etch/lenny/sid I have
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12:57<Wesley_>themill: (sorry .com isn't working for me :<)
12:57<themill>Wesley_: hmm.... so the spam scanner is a downstream thing that is looking at the headers to the mail?
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12:57<Wesley_>I tired everything I know, i've setup more mailservers without problems but.. I must be missing something here
12:57<kisbes>what should I do to have the nvidia packages/drivers?
12:58<themill>Wesley_: Ok, have a look at the headers to the mail and see what they say. I
12:58<themill>kisbes: have you included non-free in your sources.list?
12:58<kisbes>but the nvidia-kernel-169.07 is _not_ available
12:58<Wesley_>the headers look fine.. IP and hostname, all correct themill; other that it doesn't show any helo/helo in the headers
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12:59<kisbes>and the nvidia-glx is dependin on the nvidia-kernel-... package
12:59<themill>Wesley_: each "received" line is a record of the helo.
12:59<Wesley_>in that case it looks fine, received from hostname (hostname [ip])
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13:01<themill>and on the machine that's doing the spam scanning, does nslookup hostname and nslookup -q=PTR ip give the same answers?
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13:01<nareshov>themill: I copied over my kubuntu installation's xorg.conf over to debian's, and double-tap + vertical scroll works out of the box
13:01<Wesley_>let's see
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13:02<nareshov>themill: I don't have extra lines in the touchpad section either
13:02<kisbes>nareshov: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:02<nareshov>dpkg-reconfigure is one awesome tool
13:02<kisbes>it is
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13:02<themill>!tell nareshov about drxx
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13:03<Wesley_>yep! it does themill
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13:03<themill>Wesley_: :(
13:03<Wesley_>I could give you the hostname if you want :(
13:03<Wesley_>been trying to figure this out for two hours now, im sure its something small and silly
13:03<themill>Wesley_: can you pastebin the entire headers to a test email, perhaps?
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13:04<Wesley_>sure thing
13:04<kop>When 'aptitude update' says "Ign" for some line, instead of 'Get', what does that mean?
13:04<Wesley_>mind if I /notice it to you themill?
13:04<kop>I've installed apt-cacher and now am paying attention to aptitude update.
13:04<kop>kisbes : Yes, but why?
13:04<usedandrejected>i've q trouble to mount s partition
13:04<themill>Wesley_: for the headers? sure.
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13:05<usedandrejected>may i pose a question?
13:05<themill>!just ask
13:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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13:06<kop>So, if I look at the apt-cacher logs, with debug on, I see that some files have not changed and are not retrieved, and I don't see any obvious errors. But I'm not sure what I should be looking for. So, is 'Ign' something that's expected to be seen in the normal course of 'aptitude update' or is this something I need to look into?
13:06<usedandrejected>i've a problem with an ubuntu partition. After a BIOS upgrade, i cannot access to my home. I've launched a live cd to copy my datas
13:07<kop>usedandrejected : You're running Debian?
13:07<usedandrejected>i'm running an ubuntu gusty live cd
13:07<nareshov>usedandrejected: type /topic
13:07<themill>kop: Hit means it's in the cache already, Ign means that file doesn't exist but it's not an error that it doesn't (so ignored). Get means the file was fetched.
13:07<themill>usedandrejected: please ask in #ubuntu on
13:08<kop>themill : Makes sense. Thanks. Where do I find that information? I looked in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ and didn't see anything.
13:09<themill>kop: erm... nfi. It might be in the documentation for libapt (or apt)
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13:09<kop>themill : Thanks.
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13:16<evilbelgian>ok so now to figure out this asx111 thing
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13:34<evilbelgian>themill are you there
13:34<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
13:35<nareshov>How do I get the volume-wheel on my laptop to work?
13:36<themill>!tell nareshov about keytouch
13:37<themill>nareshov: there are other options too, but that's not a bad one. Both gnome and kde provide shortcut key interfaces that work on a lot of keyboards but won't work on others. Try them first.
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13:39<themill>Woet: doesn't make much sense to me... is your disk full? does it work with apt-get -f install ?
13:40<evilbelgian>themill: how would i install that driver if i don't have internet on the laptop
13:41<Woet>themill: no to both
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13:41<themill>Woet: anything in the mysql logs about why it didn't start?
13:42<themill>evilbelgian: that's not easy... can you plug a cable in for the time being/
13:42<Woet>where can i find logs?
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13:43<themill>Woet: /var/log/mysql*
13:43<evilbelgian>i'll go jack it from my bro
13:43<themill>evilbelgian: once you've got that machine on a cable, then you can follow the instructions at
13:44<evilbelgian>cool thanks
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13:45<evilbelgian>do you think i could use a crossover , because my brother has a way of cable tying everything he sees
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13:48<bored>hey ppl.. the response time for the proxy server was very bad.. about 15-20 secs
13:48<bored>i looked at the processes and squid service was running with cpu 40%
13:48<bored>is that normal?
13:50<bored>mem usage was some 5-10 %.. cpu usage was 40-50%..
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13:51<evilbelgian>is it just me or is dpkg kind of like a geeks perfect bot
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13:54<Rkod>Hello folks, I have sort of an issue. I'm fresh out of CD-Rs, and my main windows (bad mistake) pc is broken, so I want to go back to the comfort of debian, but Nero won't let me burn the netinst of debian to a DVD-R, is there a way I can do this?
13:54<Woet>themill: i see lots of bin's in /var/log/mysql/*
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13:54<Woet>is the last
13:54<Woet>and mysql-bin.index
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13:55<evilbelgian>i'm still trying to find someone in my area who has disks 7 - 21 of the etch release
13:55<themill>Woet: ignore the binlogs. /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log are the only ones likely to have anything useful.
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13:56<Woet>these arent there themill
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13:59<themill>Woet: hmmm... what happens with the command: mysqld --verbose
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14:03<Wesley_>themill, still here?
14:04<themill>actually, I just leaving ... running about 5 min late for choir. So, no. :)
14:04<Rkod>Is there a DVD iso of debian?
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14:05<Lynoure>Rkod: yes, almost in the same place the cd images are
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14:07<Rkod>I just found out i'm blind, thanks.
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14:10<Woet>i get '080130 21:08:45 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address
14:10<Woet>how to check what else could be running on mysql port?
14:10<atrus>is there a way to get an apt-get install/upgrade in a chroot to not start/stop services?
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14:13<Supaplex>atrus: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz
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14:15<blacker47>hello, could it be, that have problems?
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14:17<atrus>Supaplex: hm. will read, thanks.
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14:18<x>hello, how can i use xorg 1.3 on stable? can i use the apt pinning feature?
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14:21<chealer>x: you mean xorg-server 1.3?
14:21<x>chealer, exactly
14:21<x>to compile xf86-video-intel from sources
14:22<chealer>x: your video chipset isn't support by xf86-video-i810?
14:23<x>it seems not
14:23<x># lspci | grep -i vga
14:23<x>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
14:24<chealer>x: hum, that's imprecise. did you run # update-pciids; to make sure there's no better description available?
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14:24<x>Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
14:24<x>thanks for the hint
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14:27<x>chealer, additionally 915resolution says that it's unable to determine the chipset type (both 0.5.2 from stable and 0.5.3 from sources)
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14:28<amphi>x: you should use the "intel" driver with that card, AFAIK
14:29<chealer>x: it seems not supported indeed. you could try installing binary X from testing after setting a stable/testing mix (but I don't know how much that would mix).
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14:31<x>chealer, i'm new to pinning
14:32<x>Package: xserver-xorg
14:32<x>Pin: release a=testing
14:32<x>Pin-priority: 1000
14:32<x>do you think that this will work to get xorg from testing?
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14:32<chealer>x: you don't need pinning, just a stable/testing mix
14:33<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
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14:33<x>chealer, i do that by apt-get install xorg-server/testing ?
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14:34<x>thanks for the help until now
14:34<carrett>hey guys. how do i type u with umlaut? do i have to do alt-codes like windows?
14:35<valdyn>carrett: or use some character picking applet
14:35<valdyn>carrett: like gucharmap
14:35<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages.
14:35<carrett>valdyn: is there a way to make it easier?
14:35<carrett>like super+u or something
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14:36<valdyn>carrett: i dont know, i switch keyboard layouts to type german umlauts, while my default layout is us
14:36<carrett>yeah mine is us
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14:36<chealer>x: echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security stable lines and change one set to testing. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t testing install foo; to install foo from testing rather than stable as usual.
14:36<carrett>but i'm taking a german class
14:36<valdyn>carrett: there's keymap switching applets too
14:36<carrett>oh sweet
14:36<carrett>like for DEs?
14:36<carrett>and WMs i guess
14:36<valdyn>carrett: like for gnome, i dont use anythign else..
14:36<x>chealer, thanks
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14:37<carrett>well thanks. are other keymaps installed by default? if not, what do i need to apt-get?
14:37<valdyn>carrett: just use the applet
14:37<carrett>this is one dept. (catering to a small audience, granted) where apple's got it down
14:37<valdyn>carrett: how do they do it?
14:38<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
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14:38<carrett>equals u-umlaut
14:38<valdyn>carrett: ok, I see, that's a special keymap that you could create
14:38<valdyn>carrett: i dont know if anyone did that already.
14:38<carrett>is that hard? it sounds hard
14:38<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment).
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14:38<carrett>aha! that's what i was looking for
14:38<carrett>cool thanks
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14:39<valdyn>carrett: xmodmap is probably what you need
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14:52<Dan__>wow loads of people in here
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14:53<jo>Has anyone a idea how to debug a programm that gets a SIGKILL?
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14:54<jo>Is it possible to force the creation of a core dump with SIGKILL?
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14:56<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
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14:57<jo>Woet: Are there any interessting lines in the mysql logfile?
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14:57<Woet>080130 21:08:45 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address
14:57<Spooky--Inc>Will someone help me
14:58<jo>Woet: Is there already a mysql process running? netstat -tap
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14:59<Woet>jo: only 3 processes running
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14:59<Woet>nothing on mysql port
14:59<Spooky--Inc>Who Will Help ME
14:59<jo>Woet: Which address do you use in the configure file? Are all addresses up?
15:00<Woet>jo: i have no idea, i just run apt-get install mysql-server and i get that error
15:00<Woet>done nothing with configs or what so ever
15:00<aptituz>Spooky--Inc: i think nobody can help you anymore.
15:00<Spooky--Inc>I Am New
15:00<aptituz>Spooky--Inc: at least not until you start to ask smart questions
15:00<Woet>a question would help, yea.
15:00<Spooky--Inc>I Need To Get Yahoo Messenger
15:01<Spooky--Inc>& I Can Figure The Coding Out
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15:01<Woet>Capitalizing Each Word Wont Help You Get An Answer
15:01<Spooky--Inc>It's A Habbit
15:01<jo>Woet: look into the config file. Maybe loopback is the default, but it's not up at you.
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15:07<Spooky--Inc>will someone help me getting yahoo installed please
15:08<evilbelgian>just install gaim
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15:12<Spooky--Inc>i have gaim
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15:12<Spooky--Inc>but i cant get in chat rooms
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15:13<Spooky--Inc>will you help me
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15:13<Spooky--Inc>i know its something to do with tha servers
15:13<bed>hi there
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15:15<bed>i've been trying to recompile glibc6 on amd64 lately, but seems like there's a circular build dependency here : it wants libc6-dev-i386 which it's reported to produce itself... anyone knows a way out?
15:16<bed>the problem being i have a full i386 + source mirror, but just the bare amd64 packages, so i'm quite forced to rebuild everything on amd64
15:16<x>maky thanks, now with some tricks my GM965 works with external monitor too
15:17<x>if anybody is interested i'll mail him the bash history of the session
15:17<jab>Spooky--Inc: you should ask more specific questions, so that one sees you have dealt with the problem more or less intensely. no one's interested in doing YOUR job
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15:18<Spooky--Inc>i just need to know a site to get Yahoo! Servers
15:19<jab> ?
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15:20<bed>btw if debian's dependency system is much praised, it's well another matter when it comes with source dependencies...
15:20*bed 's going crazy
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15:22<dondelelcaro>bed: what in particular about it?
15:22<bed>dondelelcaro: it's full of circular dependencies
15:22<dondelelcaro>bed: we just have Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep, all of which are handled quite well by the dependency system
15:23<dondelelcaro>bed: that's often the case
15:23<dondelelcaro>bed: you generally don't build packages in vacuums
15:23<bed>dondelelcaro: well, no
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15:24<JshWright>I'm using a thumbdrive to install debian. I would like to not have to remove the thumbdrive when it reboots after the install, is there a way to make SYSLINUX display a "press a key to boot from USB" and continue on to boot from the HDD if nothing is pressed? (alternatively, is there a syslinux channel somewhere? ;) )
15:24<dondelelcaro>bed: and in any event, the circular dependencies that exist are pretty much required and don't actually cause a problem as the packages we distribute are built automatically anyway
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15:25<bed>dondelelcaro: i must agree. but anyway, when you only have source packages and the first CD for your arch, as I do, it's a hell to try and install even the most simple package
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15:26<bed>dondelelcaro: i downloaded the whole source thing just hoping i wouldn't have to keep around every image for every arch, but it's quite hopeless
15:26<dondelelcaro>bed: why aren't you just installing the binary packages?
15:27<bed>dondelelcaro: because i don't have them at hand, and can't download them with my 56k modem
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15:27<dondelelcaro>yeah... it's been messaging me, and probably other operators too
15:27<dondelelcaro>err, ECHAN
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15:28<dondelelcaro>anyway, you can probably still make it work, but it's a relatively useless exercise in most cases.
15:28<dondelelcaro>even on a 56k modem, you should have enough speed to install a few binary packages
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15:28<bed>dondelelcaro: i've been apt-get source && dpkg-buildpackage for the whole day... so i must agree
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15:30<dondelelcaro>the build system is pretty much designed to work in conjunction with a full mirror, and dealing with circular build dependencies otherwise requires bootstrapping, which means manual work.
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15:31<Rkod>Polo Shirt (White) - XXLarge Out of Stock £ 16.50 £ 9.90 <--- for ubuntu Shirts
15:31<Rkod>Sad reality
15:31<dkr>how would apt-get source use less bandwidth than apt-get install?
15:32<bed>dkr: i have a full source mirror on disk here
15:32<treyh0>does a tool exist to help update /etc/network/interfaces from the command line, to be used within a shell or perl script? just wondering if i'm going to have to do something to parse the whole file every time
15:33<dkr>but if taking a whole day anyway. probably a lot easier to wait for the binaries to download via modem. heh
15:33<treyh0>an automated script anyway...
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15:33<bed>dkr: yes, but a whole lot more expensive...
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15:34<dkr>ouch, I've always been spoiled by unlimited connections. didn't think of that
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15:35<dkr>treyh0: why do you need a dynamic network config? you could add pre or post scripts that can be run when interfaces go up or down
15:35<bed>dkr: and besides, it's a shitty winmodem with dumbass oft-crashing firmware, so it happily breaks every couple of minutes
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15:35<dkr>treyh0: or use dhcp. :)
15:36<treyh0>dkr: i'm porting a web based tool that manages the network, and it used to use Red Hat systems, where each file had separate configuration files, so it was easy to update just want you want
15:36<dondelelcaro>bed: if it's really a huge hardship, there are people who will ship you the images for relatively reasonable amounts of money
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15:36<treyh0>kind of related to what this would be helpful for:
15:36<bed>dondelelcaro: i think i'll try this way
15:36<dkr>treyh0: copy the code for modifying interfaces file from webmin. :)
15:37<bed>dondelelcaro: thanks
15:37<treyh0>heh i can do that or write a line-by-line parser, but just hoped that there was a simple command line tool
15:37<simon_42>wasn't there a bot entry for webmin?
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15:38<dondelelcaro>simon_42: yes
15:38<guillaume>aptitude has pb with new mysql pakage
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15:38<bed>dondelelcaro: i was wondering, how hard would it be to have some tool like apt-get for source packages, that is which could install any package and dependencies just from source?
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15:38<bed>dondelelcaro: like, say, the freebsd ports system
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15:38<dondelelcaro>bed: if you've got the dependencies it needs, you can use apt-get -b; or similar.
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15:40<dondelelcaro>bed: but because a lot of things require eachother to build the complete version, you have to uncouple them, build them, install, then rebuild them and install them again, which is far beyond the ability of any automated tool
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15:40<dondelelcaro>bed: and frankly, building entirely from source isn't a particularly interesting problem for any DDs
15:40<dondelelcaro>kurumin__: ?
15:41<kurumin__>How are you?
15:41<bed>dondelelcaro: yes of course. yet i'm wondering how said freebsd ports manage to do precicely that
15:41<bed>dondelelcaro: automatically, that is
15:41<kurumin__>You Talk brazilian
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15:43<bed>anyway, gotta go before the phone bill rises too much
15:43<dondelelcaro>kurumin__: you want #debian-br
15:43<bed>thanks for your help
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15:58<eldowan>when etch locks the cdrom and won't release, how to eject the cdrom? eject as root does nothing.
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15:58<Thiago-Villani>boa noite a todos
15:58<dkr>eldowan: fuser can show what process has the device open
15:59<eldowan>dkr: hmmm. thanks
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16:02<eldowan>konqueror and kde locked the drive. when he started to reboot the system, the eject command went through. I'll keep fuser in mind though.
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16:06<guillaume>aptitude has pb with new mysql pakage how to fix that ?
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16:08<chealer>guillaume: it's not an aptitude problem. you have broken packages.
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16:09<IRCMonkey>is there a french channel for debian?
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16:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
16:10<pine>anyone good with denyhosts ???????????
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16:11<IRCMonkey>dpkg: It is not a french debian channel, is it? You are not welcome on it. It is not for anyone
16:11<dpkg>IRCMonkey: what are you talking about?
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16:12<pine>hello ?
16:12<pine>anyone alive here ?
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16:12<noflash>IRCMonkey, dpkg is a bot
16:12<noflash>#debian-fr on
16:12<noflash>looks like a french debian channel to me
16:13<IRCMonkey>noflash: "is a bot" ? what does it mean?
16:13<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:14<IRCMonkey>noflash: Yes it is in french but I had very bad experiences with using it.
16:14<noflash>that's not my fault :)
16:14<noflash>I don't speak French
16:15<guillaume>chealer: what's the way to fix it ? It wasn't broken before I use aptitude
16:15<miqu>Do you know is the Debian Unstable klibc ready for uvesafb use? uvesafb is included in newest debian kernel-source package
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16:16<chealer>guillaume: did you see the error "* /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!"?
16:17<IRCMonkey>Well, it would be about printing. I have a pkf file. I put it first in ps with pdftops, then on two pages per sheet with psnup. => It I print it using kpdf, it goes fine; but if I print it, eather through gv, or lpr (cups), it goes low resolution and moved to the right side.. Any idea?
16:17<guillaume>chealer: yes but df -h return no problem for partition size
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16:18<chealer>guillaume: what does it output?
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16:22<chealer>guillaume: the root filesystem is full.
16:22<guillaume>chealer: / 100% sorry
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16:25<guillaume>chealer: how can I change /dev/mapper/debian-root ? Is there a software for managing this ?
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16:26<chealer>guillaume: I don't know what /dev/mapper/debian-root is
16:26<guillaume>chealer: lvm config from debian testing install I think
16:26<chealer>guillaume: yeah, but I don't know LVM
16:27<guillaume>chealer: ok thk u :)
16:28<Supaplex>pvscan will tell you what lvm systems are running, lvscan will show logical volumes there-of. google lvm2 howto, it's not very long
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16:34<GTmind>Hi, i recently installed my nvidia driver ,restarted my computer everything was runing smooth untill today
16:34<GTmind>i restarted my computer and my Xserver wont start
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16:36<GTmind>i get error Failed to load nvidia kernel module
16:36<Christmas>reinstall your nvidia driver
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16:37<GTmind>why whould it go bad on me tho ?
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16:37<GTmind>the only thing i have installed after the drivers is flash and theme for debian
16:37<Christmas>it happened to me when i upgraded xserver-xorg on debian lenny
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16:37<Christmas>or maybe you made changes in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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16:38<GTmind>the only changes i made there was rename the device from nv to nvidia
16:38<GTmind>i was told i should do that
16:38<Christmas>but did you install the nvidia binary driver?
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16:39<GTmind>yes i did
16:39<GTmind>i pm'd you
16:39<Christmas>try to uninstall and install it again
16:39<GTmind>lets talk there
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16:41<chester_martins>i need some help
16:41<chester_martins>i tried to install debian lenny on my desktop
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16:41<chester_martins>but wireless pci doesnt work
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16:41<chester_martins>the chip is a prism54
16:42<chealer>GTmind: which Debian suite do you use?
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16:44<dpkg>flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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16:51<OdyX>dpkg: what do you think about swfdec ?
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16:59<Aleric>How can I create a source tree from a .dsc file (assuming the other files are there too)
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17:03<Aleric>dpkg-source -x name_VERSION.dsc
17:04<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
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17:09<Aleric>If I run 'locate' - it doesn't find anything...
17:09<Aleric>Does anyone know what could be wrong?
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17:28<Aleric>I just ran /etc/cron.daily/locate, it took several minutes.
17:28<Aleric>After that, 'locate' still doesn't return anything -- and I see:
17:28<Aleric>hikaru:~>ls -l /var/cache/locate/locatedb
17:28<Aleric>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10 2008-01-30 23:24 /var/cache/locate/locatedb
17:28<Aleric>The database has a size of 10 bytes :/
17:29<Aleric>I don't understand. Why doesn't it work?
17:30<guillaume>If I wanna move 1Go from lv home(ext3) to lv root(ext3). How can I do that ?
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17:31<Aleric>1Go ?
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17:33<uxi>i was trying to install gdesklets on lenny....but it seems the package is not available...I tried to use sid repository but gdesklets don't work :(
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17:33<uxi>any idea?
17:33<guillaume>Aleric: Yes I need to upgrade the / (lv root) + 1Go and wish to take it from /home (lv home)
17:35<blindglobe>can anyone point me where to read about the right thing to do with a k7 smp system regarding the recent (2.6.2x) kernels? It seems that those are not built anymore, should I be using the 686 or 486 kernel, self-building, or sticking with 2.6.18?
17:35<weasel>686 should be fine
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17:36<blindglobe>weasel: I thought that the k7 athlon architecture was more i486 than 686, can you confirm I'm wrong? (mostly worried if the smp support is different, why I'm worried I'm not sure)
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17:38<Aleric>I have no idea what 1 Go is.
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17:40<guillaume>Aleric: 1 gigaoctets of hard disk space
17:42<Aleric>You could use tar, to preserve everything.
17:42<Aleric>Might even preserve too much.
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17:42<Aleric>Ie, if /home is NFS mounted on another machine with a different /etc/passwd, then you don't really want to preserve the numeric uid's
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17:43<guillaume>Aleric: are you familiar with lvm management ?
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17:45<guillaume>Aleric: my setup is based on lvm2 management so I was asking for people using lvm2 :)
17:46<Aleric>If you want to move the data from one partition to another, you'll still have to copy it all...
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17:48<guillaume>Aleric: yes of course but that's not my case, I had free space (85Go) on my logical volume 'home' and wanna move some of it (1 or 5Go) to my other logical volume called 'root'
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17:49<Aleric>Oh, you want to move free space
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17:50<anonymus>czy jest tu jakiś polak ??
17:50<dpkg>[pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
17:51<dpkg>methinks cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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17:51<guillaume>Aleric: yes free lvm2 space. I think th way to do that is to reduce my lv home and then to extend the other lv but reducing ext3 lv seem not to be safe.
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17:51<Aleric>Not that there is anyone on those channels... but it helps to keep strangers away here :p
17:51<anonymus>mam taki problem z evolution mail pod Debianem może masz czas zeby mi pomóc ?
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17:52<anonymus>dtw. jak w irssi wejśc na priv??
17:52<streuner_>english please
17:52<Aleric>anonymus: step 1: learn English
17:52<anonymus>ok I'll do my best
17:53<kop>guillaume : You umount the filesystem, fsck -f it, use resize2fs to shrink it, then use lvchange to shrink the lv. The reverse will expand the other lv.
17:53<kop>guillaume : The important part is to make sure that when you shrink the lv you _don't_ shrink it smaller than your filesystem!
17:54<Woet>when installing mysql-server, i get an error with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)'
17:54<guillaume>kop: it's not lvreduce command ? No problem for the shrink cause I have 85go of free space and wanna move only 1 or 5go to my other lv
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17:55<kop>guillaume : I'm don't remember offhand for sure, but I think you can use either lvreduce or lvchange.
17:55<kop>guillaume : rtfm :-)
17:56<guillaume>kop: thank you for your advices
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17:56<kop>guillaume : It's actually easy. But only after you've done it at least once. :-)
17:57<anonymus>when I open evoluton I have an error:"can not connect with SSL is no available" enyone know what is wrong ?
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17:58<panagos>hello, is there a program to test my microphone?
17:58<kop>guillaume : <Insert legealese here>. Always have a backup before doing anything dangerous. </end legalese>
17:58<streuner_>anonymus: lenny/testing?
17:58<streuner_>anonymus: if so, read BTS (
17:58<kop>panagos : I think I started up audacity and looked at the graph of the sound to fiddle with my mic.
17:59<anonymus>in gnome-system-monitor I have None(n/a)
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17:59<guillaume>kop: I can't do backup so I had to play with fire ;)
18:00<anonymus>but in /etc/debian_version i have lenny/sid
18:00<streuner_>anonymus: did you enable in evolution ssl at all?
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18:00<streuner_>anonymus: what happens if you just use mail-function without SSL?
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18:02<anonymus>I don't know it was working until I have update
18:02<anonymus>where is where can I find this option ?
18:03<streuner_>!dbugs 462967
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18:03<dpkg>#462967:G[evolution] evolution does not work with tls or ssl enabled; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:03:02 UTC
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18:05<anonymus>dpkg thanks for showing me
18:05<dpkg>anonymus: pas de quoi
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18:07<streuner_>anonymus: read sid FAQ first (/msg dpkg sid faq)
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18:07<streuner_>well, it wouldnt be a bad idea to just direct to sid faq if someone alter sources.list and there is lenny/testing or sid/unstable
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18:09<purple>hi all
18:10<purple>is there any app similar to nopaste or wgetpaste for debian?
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18:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:10<streuner_>!find nopaste
18:11<dpkg>Debian Search of 'nopaste' (4): (/usr/share/epic4/script/nopaste) in net/epic4 ;; (/usr/share/epic4/help/8_Scripts/nopaste) in net/epic4-help ;; (/var/lib/wims/public_html/scripts/slib/utilities/nopaste) in web/wims ;; (/usr/share/glipper/plugins/{|}) in utils/glipper.
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18:11<streuner_>purple: /msg dpkg search
18:11<streuner_>looks bad
18:11<streuner_>for nopaste
18:12<anonymus>how to force Debian to instal package from unstable ropository ?
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18:13<streuner_>Why you dont listen what people telling you?
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18:13<dondelelcaro>anonymus: you shouldn't; install or build a backport.
18:13<purple>streuner_: nopaste as in app no webpage providing such service
18:13<streuner_>read sid faq first
18:14<angasule>I have some pdfs with images I want to convert to html (and still see the images, obviously), pdftohtml isn't outputting images
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18:14<porky_t>i have a kernel that's put on hold cause for some reason when i upgraded it told me it had to do something first, and would install this after - should i remove the package manually since apt-get clean won't get rid of it, or should i maybe try that no-hold option?
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18:14<andres>como tan
18:14<anonymus>dondelelcaro: I don't know how
18:14<andres>soy un usuario nuevo y tengo ciertos problemas
18:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:15<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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18:15<chealer>porky_t: which package?
18:16<anonymus>that is to much for me I'm newbe
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18:17<porky_t>before it said 'This package has been kept back: linux-Image-2.6-amd64
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18:17<chealer>porky_t: which Debian suite do you use?
18:17<streuner_>no, you just dont want read
18:17<dondelelcaro>anonymus: then you shouldn't install stuff from unstable...
18:18<chealer>!tell porky_t about held back
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18:18<witte>anonymus: you know that unstable tends to be "unstable"? It is newby hostile ...
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18:19<anonymus>maiby so I should wait until this packages will be in tesntin?
18:21<witte>anonymus: which package does it concern? and which debian are you running currently: testing or etch (sorry just started to follow the channel)
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18:21<streuner_>!dbugs 462967
18:21<dpkg>#462967:G[evolution] evolution does not work with tls or ssl enabled; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:03:02 UTC
18:22<porky_t> it's saying the package being held back will be upgraded, i've never seen this before, any help?
18:22<anonymus>I have to install packages from unstable to use ssl in evolution mail
18:23<anonymus>yes this is this bug
18:24<Schreck>Hi all
18:25<Schreck>Could someone tell me what's wrong with this :
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18:26<Schreck>tar cvf /var/bck/huhu.tar.gz /etc/apache2/ /var/www/
18:26<angasule>is there something like apt-zip for aptitude? or a way to use apt-zip with aptitude?
18:26<witte>anonymus: well, you could read the "/msg dpkg sid faq" link that was provided by streuner earlier (type that in your irc window), there are some hints there how you can accomplish that. Alternatively, use an other email client, and wait a few days
18:27<Blueacid>hey guys, i'm trying to install Darkice in Debian - running ./configure it replies with "Checking for alsa libraries at /usr ... configure: WARNING: not found, building without ALSA support" - i've already apt-get install'd alsa alsa-utils alsa-oss alsa-source alsa-base libasound2 - anyhting else which i've missed?
18:27<porky_t>i got it, ty
18:28<witte>anonymus: which version of evolution do you have, the version in testing and unstable should be the same?
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18:28<fmneto>Hello everyone
18:28<streuner_>!info evolution testing
18:28<streuner_>!info evolution unstable
18:28<dpkg>evolution: (groupware suite with mail client and organizer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2541 kB, Installed size: 7735 kB
18:28<dpkg>evolution: (groupware suite with mail client and organizer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2541 kB, Installed size: 7735 kB
18:28<anonymus>witte: I am pasting: /msg dpkg sid faq in my irc window - no effect
18:29<witte>!tell anonymus about sid faq
18:29<anonymus>evolution 2.12.3
18:29<fmneto>Does anyone here have experience with splashy in lenny?
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18:29<fmneto>I can't find anything about it... =/
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18:30<fmneto>I know it's probably a well known issue, but I failed miserably to find a solution
18:31<witte>anonymus: can you do an upgrade, there should be version 2.12.3-1 in the repositories (apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade)
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18:36<anonymus>I do the"apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" - still doesn't work
18:36<witte>anonymus: what is the output of "dpkg -l | grep evolution"
18:37<witte>anonymus: and if it is more than 2 lines, don't paste it here, paste it in a pastebin
18:37<witte>!tell anonymus about paste
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18:38<anonymus>ii evolution 2.12.3-1 groupware
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18:39<witte>anonymus: so you have the latest version of testing, which is also the latest version which is in sid
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18:39<anonymus>sorry I don't know what is pastebin
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18:39<anonymus>but i also have ii evolution-data-server-common 1.12.2-1 architect
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18:40<witte>anonymus: dpkg should have told you something about that ;-), but nevermind the information you provided is sufficient
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18:42<anonymus>so what should I do now?
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18:43<witte>anonymus: as far as i overlooked the bug report, it should work with this version?
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18:44<anonymus>I understan that I have 3 solutons: 1.wait 2.make backports 3.use anothet client; am I right?
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18:45<anonymus>but it doesn't work, what to do?
18:46<witte>anonymus: no, your version is the same as unstable, which should work, so backports do not make sense at this moment
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18:47<witte>anonymus: I would say wait (keep an eye on and use an alternative in the meanwhile, or help to find and define the bug you experience...
18:47<anonymus>it should work but it doesn't work
18:48<witte>anonymus: in any case, evolution is widely used, and if it is a bug in testing, they will surely solve it asap
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18:48<witte>anonymus: an other alternative would be to revert to a previous working version
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18:49<anonymus>so I will wait
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18:51<anonymus>how to revert ?
18:52<witte>anonymus: remove evolution and install older versions using dpkg -i filename
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18:52<witte>anonymus: you can have a look which versions are still on your system by doing "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/evolution*"
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18:53<streuner_>anonymus: or just use the second option witte told you, try sylpheed
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18:53<witte>anonymus: the other older versions are also somewhere on the web (look for debian archives)
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18:59<anonymus>there is no older versions in repositories
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19:04<anonymus>how to find older version of package ?
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19:06<streuner_>hm, sid FAQ doesnt mention sdn
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19:06<streuner_>witte: prolly no option, because evolution depends on many other packages...
19:07<witte>streuner_: even not when he reverts to 2.12.1 or something?
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19:07<streuner_>witte: might work, no idea
19:08<streuner_>witte: but just use sylpheed is safer or just re-install etch
19:08<Rkod>Sorry to bother you guys, but here goes. I installed debian net-inst, stable, and was greeted to a nice install, i'm not a first timer, it wasn't able to get security updates, and some of the packages, but I wasn't too worried. Then, it unmounted and ejected, and prompted to install. I thought great, but no. Once i started the computer up, it had tons of scrambled errors fall out of the screen, and the only one i could see was "unable to
19:08<Rkod>handle kernel pagaing request at virtual adress FFFFD370"
19:08<witte>streuner_: in any case, it does not work now, if it doesn't work, and he doesn't destroy the his system in the meanwhile, it cannot become worse :-)
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19:15<witte>Rkod: try to log in using the rescue option of the cd, and try to install everything correctly, or alternatively, do the installation again
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19:16<Rkod>How might I do that witte?
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19:16<apeitheo>I can't set the resolution above 640x480 anymore for some reason. I removed my nvidia card and plugged the monitor cable into my integrated video card and it wouldn't go above 640x480, so I switched it back, and now it won't go above on my nvidia card either. What could be wrong?
19:17<apeitheo>Using the config generated by X -configure doesn't work either, and it used to
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19:18<witte>Rkod: boot with the netinstall, and i believe that there is a boot option "rescue" (but check). With it, you can open a terminal, mount the hard disks, chroot to it and work from that system (note that this can be very educational, but not all that trivial ;-))
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19:19<Rkod>And if the option doesn't exist
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19:19<witte>Rkod: if the problem is merely that some basic programs are not installed correctly, this is the way to go, otherwise it might be easier just to try the install anew
19:19<witte>Rkod: it doesn't? ok, you can do the same with any live cd
19:19<Rkod>Witte: I don't know yet actually, i only have one monitor, so I have to switch back and forth.
19:20<Rkod>Witte: the "unable to handle kernel pagaing request at virtual adress FFFFD370" scares me, could it be some broken ram?
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19:20<witte>Rkod: i have probably seen the same post on the net :-), could be, you could test it
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19:21<Rkod>WItte: Switching over then, brb.
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19:23<anonymus>I have to go
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19:23<anonymus>thans for helping me
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19:38<noble->does a vncserver use a certain port? or same as ssh?
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19:45<witte>noble-: google suggests that vnc uses ports 5900
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19:46<witte>noble-: but i guess you can use any port you want, and also tunnel it over ssh
19:46<noble->thanks witte
19:47<noble->slipped my mind to google it
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19:51<predder>is there no libapache2-modssl package because ssl support is built into apache2?
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19:52<predder>(to clarify - I mean in the debian package apache2 specially)
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19:52<dkr>predder: correct
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19:53<gsimmons>petteri: is included in the 'apache2.2-common' package.
19:53<dkr>(mod_ssl actually in apache2.2-common package)
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19:57<predder>I see, thanks for clarifying
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20:06<Rkod>Witte, you still there?
20:06<witte>more or less :-)
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20:06<Rkod>I did rescue on it
20:06<Rkod>By the time I was there
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20:06<Rkod>I realized I don't know how to mount things.
20:07<witte>Rkod: :-)
20:07<Rkod>I remember something from my last install on this PC
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20:07<Rkod>I had to do some special command for it to work right, are there any special boot commands I should know about?
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20:09<witte>Rkod: there are some, but most of them are for laptops, you can check them with the netinstaller (check the different F<nr> keys)
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20:10<Rkod>Also, I tried to install Kubuntu, just for kicks, it freezes at loading screen. But I don't expect things like this from debian.
20:10<Rkod>I checked and tried most of them
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20:10<Rkod>I remember when I installed it last (3 years ago) I had to do some
20:10<Rkod>-x*** command
20:10<Rkod>Although my memory is hazy
20:11<witte>Rkod: don't know which that should be, but if kubuntu also does not load, there could be a hardware issue
20:11<Rkod>How come windows loaded fine then?
20:11<witte>Rkod: did you try a memtest?
20:11<Rkod>I ran the built in memtest with Kubuntu, it says it passes.
20:11<witte>Rkod: ok, no hardware fault in that case
20:12<witte>Rkod: I would try a clean reinstall if i were you (probably you could solve it with the rescue cd, but i doubt that this woudl be faster)
20:12<Rkod>I reinstalled twice alreadyh
20:12<Rkod>Beat you to it
20:13<witte>Rkod: If it fails again, you should provide some more detailed information on what doesn't work during install
20:13<Rkod>It was the obvious next stem, when I was cornered
20:13<Rkod>The second install was flawless
20:13<Rkod>I did it with GUI
20:13<witte>Rkod: flawless, but it still did not boot?
20:13<Rkod>Correct, the installer showed no errors however.
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20:14<witte>Rkod: what are the errors before one you showed earlier?
20:14<Rkod>"unable to handle kernel pagaing request at virtual adress FFFFD370"
20:14<Rkod>Then it said
20:14<Rkod>printing e000000
20:15<Rkod>and it cut off
20:15<witte>Rkod: and alternatively, you should ask on #debian-boot
20:15<witte>Rkod: there the people who really know the insides of the installer live
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20:16<witte>Rkod: it could be that you don't get a fast response there (but there is also a mailing list somewhere
20:16<witte>Rkod: the error messages don't really help me to identify the problem in any case (and it seems we are about the only ones alive here ;-))
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20:17<Rkod>Well thank you Witte, I'll keep smacking my head against the keyboard, until I get an answer in boot eh. Have a good day.
20:17<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
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20:19<witte>Rkod: you are welcome, but i hope to have a good night before the good day begins ;-)
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20:19<Rkod>Have a good week then.
20:20<Rkod>I'm going to the store, I will be back, while I download the full install. I'll come back with updates, thanks again for all the support./
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20:32<Killing_Frost>Alright. Think I'm about ready to port over to Lenny. Can anyone give me an idea on how stable it is, or should I wait awhile longer?
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20:33<witte>Killing_Frost: for me, it is stable enough for daily use desktop stuff
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20:34<witte>Killing_Frost: occasionally there is a problem, but rarely something that can not be solved/circumvented
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20:34<Supaplex>heh well, for one, it's not labeled stable. >:) don't run anything mission critical on it
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20:35*Killing_Frost ponders. Unfortunately, I'm blind and don't think I can handle a downed system. Crashes on occasion are okay. That's all I'm really worried about. I'd like to get gnome-orca installed so I can use Firefox.
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20:36<witte>Killing_Frost: well, normally testing is ok, but I won't give any guarantees
20:37<witte>Killing_Frost: do you need lenny?
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20:37<Killing_Frost>I need better web access than lynx can provide.
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20:38<Killing_Frost>Using sendmail/fetchmail and irsii for the rest.
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20:40<Killing_Frost>Well, thanks lots. Gonna go for it.. I can always reinstall Etch.
20:40<witte>Killing_Frost: you might try a simple testing backport
20:41<witte>!simple testing backport
20:41<Killing_Frost>What's that?
20:41<witte>!simple sid backport
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20:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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20:41<witte>Killing_Frost: but instead of sid, use testing
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20:42<Killing_Frost>Oh, okay. I getcha.
20:43<witte>Killing_Frost: but for gnome-orca, it could be that you need the entire gnome from testing, and in that case it could be better to go for a complete testing
20:43<witte>Killing_Frost: in any case, no guarantees :-)
20:43*Killing_Frost grins. Alright.
20:43<Killing_Frost>Thank you...
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20:46<Dabiged>hey all
20:46<Dabiged>I have a process that will not die even with a "kill -9 {pid}" command
20:46<Dabiged>any ideas
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20:51<kdallas>Hi guys!If I make changes in xorg.conf, could I see them w/o rebooting ? Thanks
20:52<jab>kdallas: of course
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20:52<kdallas>and how would that be jab? source wouldnr probably work, right
20:52<kdallas>I mean source xorg.conf
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20:54<jab>what do you mean with changes? you see the changes you made in xorg.conf effectively when restarting the x-server
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20:54<kdallas>ok, how do i restart xserver without logging off
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20:55<kdallas>bear with me, the question is simple, dont make it harder
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20:56<jab>when you use a graphical login manager, you wont be able to. however, you could change your default runlevel in /etc/inittab
20:56<kdallas>ok, i see
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20:56<kdallas>let me then just reboot
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21:03<jab>can anyone recommend an uptodate virus scanner ?
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21:04<lupine>jab: linux
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21:05<jab>but that wont help my samba share from being contaminated ^^
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21:13<lupine>jab: clamav then
21:13<lupine>I think
21:14<lupine>eh, mostly for mail, that one
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21:20<lajujkej>does anyone know if the debian update this morning might have broken the broadcom wireless card drivers. All of a sudden I don't see eth2 at all
21:21<gsimmons>lajujkej: What Debian suite are you using?
21:21<jab>lupine: thx
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21:25<gsimmons>lajujkej: Are you using ndiswrapper? You'd need to build a ndiswrapper-modules-* package again, for use with 2.6.18-6.
21:26<lajujkej>gsimmons: I can't remember if I was using ndiswrapper or the new b44 driver. I guess I'll just go ahead and use ndiswrapper
21:28<lajujkej>hrrmm, when I search synaptic I only see modules for 2.6.8-4
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21:30<JordiGH>Anyone got any horror stories with GRUB2 on lenny? I really want to try it out, but I wouldn't know how to fix it if it breaks, since I'm using an encrypted LVM.
21:31<JordiGH>Wait, Linux isn't encrypted when you set up the encrypted LVM, is it?
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21:33<lupine>JordiGH: as long as the /boot partition isn't LVM'd, it doesn't matter
21:33<lupine>I wouldn't trust grub2 with an LVM'd /boot just yet
21:33<JordiGH>Ah, I chickened out.
21:34<JordiGH>I told it to install GRUB legacy instead.
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21:35<JordiGH>Yay! Reporting successful amd64 install on the Dellbuntu lappy.
21:36<JordiGH>Well, without installing X. I'm on that now.
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21:41<JordiGH>Yay! long double is now 16 bytes long.
21:41*JordiGH feels the powah of the 64 bits.
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21:43<GhostlyDeath>Where would the Sans font be located because when I use it, it's all just a bunch of boxes
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21:46<lontra> /usr/share/fonts
21:46<noble->trying to install eggdrop and it's complaining about c compiler. I used apt to install gcc and it's still not working. checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
21:46<noble->is there some special c files I need to apt-get?
21:46<lontra>noble-: apt-get install eggdrop?
21:46<noble->I did that
21:47<lontra>then what do you need gcc for?
21:47<lontra>you should be able to launch eggdrop if you used apt-get install eggdrop
21:47<noble->I'm trying to manually install eggdrop 1.6.18 without apt-get
21:47<lontra>so you lied to me!
21:47<lontra>[20:46] <noble-> I did that
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21:48<JordiGH>noble-: build-essential
21:48<JordiGH>noble-: aptitude install taht
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21:48<noble->well I fibbed, I apt-get removed it because I wanted to do it manually, so I can let users run a script to install eggdrop in their home directories
21:48<lontra>noble-: that's the answer! apt-get install build-essentials
21:48<JordiGH>lontra: aptitude, you pre-etch relic!
21:48<noble->will do, thanks
21:48<lontra>JordiGH: dselect
21:48<JordiGH>lontra: dpkg!
21:48<JordiGH>dpkg and wget
21:48<dpkg>from memory, wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl` Winner of the greycat award for "Package Whose Man Page is Least Likely to be Read by Newbies".
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21:49*dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
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21:53*dpkg barks, like a rabid dog.
21:53<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
21:53<dpkg>i heard quack is a headless gnutella client
21:53<dpkg>from memory, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
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21:54<Coyote`>hi there
21:54<GhostlyDeath>I gotta figure out how to fix GDM
21:54<GhostlyDeath>because it's broke
21:54<Coyote`>i was wondering if anyone knows a good way to get rid of the ati drivers ?
21:54<JordiGH>GhostlyDeath: Broken how?
21:54<Coyote`>the ati non opensource ones
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21:55<GhostlyDeath>JordiGH: I was messing around in /usr; then my fonts went all into square so I decided to restart X which goes to the login screen it flashes blue then turns back and an error dialog that I cant read appeared
21:56<JordiGH>Messing around in /usr?
21:56<GhostlyDeath>I think the hard drive had symlinks to /usr
21:56<GhostlyDeath>I copied and pasted
21:56<GhostlyDeath>I just want all my files on this PC
21:56<JordiGH>What hard drive, what symlinks, from where to where, and what did you copy paste?
21:57<GhostlyDeath>I externalized my old SATA drive
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21:57<JordiGH>The plot thickens...
21:57<posix>Anyone know how to get zsnes 1.36 going on lenny?
21:57<GhostlyDeath>I tried to move everything from my old home...
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21:58<GhostlyDeath>and I didn't have "Permission" damn directories didnt allow file access
21:58<JordiGH>posix: It's broke? Aw... I guess this will increase my productivity. I'm doing a lenny install right now.
21:58<GhostlyDeath>so I chmod'ed .
21:58<posix>The source won't compile, and have no idea if it's possible to source *ancient* packages
21:58<JordiGH>GhostlyDeath: Did you just chmod /home/
21:58<posix>JordiGH: netplay is broken / removed from the current packages
21:58<GhostlyDeath>JordiGH: It's mounted on /media/Debian and I chmoded that
22:00<GhostlyDeath>I kinda like not having a login manager
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22:01<GhostlyDeath>hmm brb
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22:02<JordiGH>posix, iirc, zsnes has some uncommented unreadable ASM code that barely qualifies as source. :-)
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22:04<JordiGH>Yeah, zsnes is only for i386 precisely because of that ASM.
22:04<JordiGH>Oh well. I decided to Debian amd64 precisely in order to increase my productivity.
22:06<posix>dos/vesa2.asm:724: error: invalid combination of opcode and operands
22:06<posix>make: *** [dos/vesa2.o] Error 1
22:06<JordiGH>posix: See?
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22:07<posix>what are my alternatives for snes emu netplay?
22:08<JordiGH>I guess if you don't mind non-free ROMs, you don't mind non-free emulators... I think there are some non-free emulators that will work with Linux somewhere online.
22:08<JordiGH>snes9x, isn't that one in Debian too?
22:08<lontra>posix: zsnes
22:08<lontra>posix: imo the best for snes
22:08<JordiGH>lontra: i386 only, no netplay, won't even build. :-)
22:08<lontra>posix: also apt-cache search nintendo :)
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22:09<lontra>oh i see
22:09<lontra>it works fine here but i have i386 and don't care about netplay ;D
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22:10<JordiGH>Hm, you can install kde without install xorg, right?
22:10<JordiGH>Why not?
22:10<lontra>well ... maybe kde-base
22:10<lontra>er ... kde-core
22:10<JordiGH>Hm, shouldn't you be able to?
22:11<JordiGH>What does KDE need X for? :-)
22:11<amphi>JordiGH: you should be able to without an xserver IMHO - you'd need xlibs
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22:11<lontra>well i don't know why one would want kde w/o X
22:11<JordiGH>lontra: X-forward all of KDE!
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22:11*posix gives snes9x a whirl
22:12<kdallas>I am trying to install a docx to odf converter but after installing, it complains about :
22:12<kdallas> error while loading shared libraries:
22:12<amphi>lontra: so you could have a kde server ;)
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22:12<JordiGH>amphi: client
22:12<kdallas>i have libtiff4 installed though. is it a version complication?
22:13<lontra>kdallas: install apt-file ... run apt-file update && apt-file search :D
22:13<kdallas>lontra, thanks, i did it thru synaptic but let me do it command line
22:13<lontra>kdallas: by the way where does a docx to odf converter live
22:13*lontra thinks that might be handy with his stupid U upgrading to 2007
22:14<kdallas>lontra, it is supposed to be from novell but all links to them are dumped. i found it on another site, googling
22:14<JordiGH>Is that something MS Word XTreme edition produces? DOC-X!
22:14<kdallas>JordiGH, docx == office 2007 format
22:15<JordiGH>kdallas: Has it been reverse engineered yet?
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22:15<kdallas>JordiGH, i thought it was some sort of xml or something like that
22:15<JordiGH>Oh, it's the ooxml format.
22:15<JordiGH>The open format that only MS can implement.
22:15<lontra>JordiGH: i believe as per the MS-Novell agreement they made a docx to odf converter for novell's flavour of opensuse
22:16<Cba-Lomo-26>Hola Manga de Gays!!!
22:16<Cba-Lomo-26>Hello lontra Gay!!!
22:16<JordiGH>Cba-Lomo-26: Gay tú. Gay yo. Gay todos.
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22:17<Cba-Lomo-26>Hola JordiGH hablas español???
22:17<JordiGH>Sí, pero...
22:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:17<Cba-Lomo-26>ok, de donde sos JordiGH ?
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22:17<JordiGH>Cba-Lomo-26: I'm from México. It's polite to keep the conversation in English within the English Debian channel.
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22:18<Cba-Lomo-26>all rigth
22:18<GhostlyDeath>fixed my login manager
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22:19<kdallas>lontra, apt-file fount it in googleearth!
22:19<lontra>he he
22:19<kdallas>should i install that?
22:19<amphi>GhostlyDeath: cån ÿôù réäd thìs¿
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22:19<lontra>kdallas: i don't think so
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22:19<kdallas>ok, so does it mean that i cannot use the converter
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22:19<JordiGH>Cba-Lomo-26: This what I was thinking of:
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22:20<dpkg>methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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22:20<lontra>kdallas: i think you may need libtiff3
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22:20<lontra>kdallas: as libtiff4 provides
22:20<kdallas>yes :(
22:20<kdallas>but installing the older one, wouldnt it mess things up
22:20<lontra>so you may be sol :(
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22:21<lontra>kdallas: depends on what depends on libtiff4 ... maybe they are co-installable ... not sure
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22:21<belial>guten morgen
22:21<dpkg>well, snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit
22:21<kdallas>lontra, thanks
22:21<JordiGH>Is that the place to find potato, bo, or rex releases?
22:22<lontra>kdallas: use at your own risk :D -->
22:22<belial>i have a littel problem with the gcc compiler ....
22:22<JordiGH>belial: Elaborate, please.
22:22<lontra>kdallas: fyi -->
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22:23<kdallas>lontra, what is this one
22:23<lontra>kdallas: a few online converter
22:23<JordiGH>Free? Code is available?
22:23<kdallas>lol, i wouldnt trust online sites to convert my personal files ;) but thanks
22:23<lontra>kdallas: no problem
22:24<lontra>kdallas: tell the person who used .docx to use .doc instead
22:24<JordiGH>The closed format is easier to read than the "open" format. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
22:24<kdallas>lontra, or i could reboot to my windows and do it myself ;) i just wanted to stay in linux
22:25<lontra>kdallas: also you might be able install that tiff package from that snapshot website ... especially the most recent ... it's worth a shot
22:25<kdallas>lontra, i will give that a try
22:25<lontra>kdallas: if dpkg -i ... says no ... then oh well
22:25<JordiGH>kdallas: Why don't you use OO.o in Windows too?
22:25<kdallas>JordiGH, i dont want to stay in windows
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22:25<kdallas>lontra, i see.
22:26<JordiGH>kdallas: Who does, but while you're there for whatever reason, you can make your stay a little less painful.
22:26<lontra>maybe ... oo.org2.4 will have .docx converter ... if novell feeds it upstream
22:26<lontra>or oo.org3.0
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22:26<kdallas>i hope so. for the time being, oo can open some of my docx and pptx but it is slow and not always accurate
22:26<JordiGH>Has that even been announced? OO.o 3.0?
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22:26<belial>I want to install ffmpeg, however always get the same error "C compiler test failed." i use gcc 3.3 ... , which wrong I make, i am a newbee in linux :(
22:27<lontra>JordiGH: development has on their webiste
22:27<JordiGH>belial: Why are you compiling? ffmpeg is in Debian.
22:28<ranix>belial: are you lost
22:28<kdallas>thanks again lontra and JordiGH . see you around
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22:28<ranix>JordiGH: openoffice kind of sucks
22:28<belial>where do I find ffmpeg?
22:28<ranix>belial: apt-get install ffmpeg
22:28<lontra>ranix: nonsense!
22:28<JordiGH>ranix: 'Course it does, but try to move the world away from "office" formats. It's going to be easier to make them stop using Windows first.
22:29<ranix>lontra: writer compared to abiword
22:29<lontra>oh writer is way better than abiword in functionality
22:30<JordiGH>I remember when Abiword was the default recommendation for people who wanted to read .doc formats. I haven't checked on its development in ages. How is it coming along? It's nice to have a program that doesn't take ages to load to open those stupid email attachments.
22:30<ranix>'functionality' to me means that you can start it in <10 seconds and read a word document, to me
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22:30<ranix>functionality might mean 'nifty bulleted lists' to you
22:30<ranix>my redundancy buffer overflowed
22:31<JordiGH>I hate it when people send me .docs in emails only so that they can put a title in bold.
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22:31<lontra>ranix: no functionality means interoperable with ms office, being able to do some more advanced editing. the first launch usually takes oo.org2 about 7 secs here (comparable to fatfox), and afterwards takes 2-3 seconds
22:31<ranix>it's marginally better than a style sheet in a plain text email though, JordiGH
22:31<JordiGH>Whatever happened to the good ol' days of *bold*, _underline_, and /italics/?
22:32<kop>JordiGH : Send them a vorbis video file back.
22:32<ranix>lontra: 7 seconds of bootng the JVM is a little tiny tick of annoyance in my day that could send me over the edge
22:32<JordiGH>kop: Although you mean a Theora video. ;-)
22:33<lontra>ranix: you need to chill then ;)
22:33<JordiGH>kop: I like what TPB does: sends you back a 10 meg .bmp saying "fuck you" when you send them an annoying format.
22:33<ranix>and when you've got a customer on the phone, 7 seconds of silence definitely is enough to make them go postal
22:34<ranix>usually the folks down south don't mind but if they're from new york you're fucked
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22:34<RIVE>Hello, good night.
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22:42<JordiGH>RIVE: "good night" in English is usually only a goodbye. It usually means you're going to retire for the night. :-)
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22:42<RIVE>Ok, sorry, how is the best manner to say hello, good night?
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22:43<JordiGH>Good evening.
22:44<RIVE>Ok, so from now on will be... Hello, good evening :-)
22:44<RIVE>Thanks JordiGH.
22:45<JordiGH>I made that mistake too once.
22:46<eldowan>but you must say it correctly. goood eeeeeevenningg. :D j/j
22:47*lontra can't wait for his eeepc
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23:04<eldowan>wow. didn't mean to kill the channel...
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23:06<RIVE>Naa, juost was a moment of no tippyng.
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23:22<noble->where would tcl be install using apt-get install tcl?
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23:22<noble->can't seem to find it anywhere
23:22<amphi>noble-: dpkg -L package_name will show what files were installed
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23:36<noble->can someone help me find the most recent tcl files since apt-get is only shjowing me 8.4
23:36<noble->and debian is still complaining it's too old
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23:38<[-DEceNT-]>need some help
23:38<[-DEceNT-]>just one question
23:38<[-DEceNT-]>should i install an antivirus ?
23:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 322] by debhelper
23:40<RIVE>No if you only use your Debian box for personal use.
23:40<JordiGH>Debian *is* an antivirus. :-)
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23:42<Hideo>GoinEasy9: \\\\\\
23:42<Hideo>oops, sorry
23:42<RIVE>That's a reason why mi mother uses Linux in her computer, No virus, no spyware!
23:42<jello>[-DEceNT-]: what kind of antivirus do you plan on installing?
23:42<noble->how can I make apt-get install the most recent version of tcl? It's still saying it's too old.
23:42<jello>noble-: are you using stable?
23:43<jello>8.4.16 is the newest in unstable...
23:43<[-DEceNT-]>should i install an antivirus ??
23:43<noble->that's what it's asking for in eggdrop
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23:44<jello>noble-: eggdrop is packaged for debian etch already
23:44<jello>just apt-get install eggdrop
23:45<jello>noble-: you must be new here... almost everything is already packaged for debian
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23:46<jello>[-DEceNT-]: if i said yes, what antivirus would you install??
23:46<noble->yeah I havn't used debian in awhile
23:47<jello>eggdrop has been packaged since at least woody, and probably potato...
23:48<noble->I was trying to manually install a different version than what comes through apt-get
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23:48<jello>JordiGH: be nice... they've had there world turned upside-down
23:48<Xenguy>jello: what happened?
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23:48<jello>noble-: what version would that?
23:48<jello>Xenguy: to gentoo? read lately?
23:48*JordiGH is a hardcore Debianista.
23:48<Xenguy>jello: nope
23:49<Xenguy>jello: but I will now
23:49<jello>noble-: that's the version in etch
23:49<jello>and sid too for that matter
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23:49<noble->then why would it complain about tcl when I try to ./configure ?
23:50<jello>dunno, why would you need to?
23:50<noble->no clue
23:50<jello>noble-: if you're that dead-set on building it yourself, run `apt-get build-dep eggdrop; apt-get source -b eggdrop`
23:50<jello>thought it's really kinda pointless
23:51<Xenguy>jello: hrm, OK, I read that, and I think I get the drift
23:51<noble->no I don't want to make it anymore difficult than it is. I was just trying to get it installed so I could mess with trying to make a shell script that helped users configure eggdrop
23:51<noble->I don't know what I was thinking
23:51<jello>noble-: apt-get install eggdrop; and go on your merry way :)
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23:52<noble->kool, thanks. I need to learn to not make things more difficult. Sorry ;)
23:52<jello>noble-: you might want to read the debian faq if you're new to debian
23:53<jello>lots of good info there
23:53<noble->thanks jello
23:54*jello waits for the backup to finish...
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23:57<boss>can I get what each line represent in a diff file
23:57<boss>any tutorial is available
23:57<jello>what do you mean?
23:58<boss>jello, what is the syntax followed by a diff file
23:58<jello>there are three different ones
23:58<jello>you probably want the unified diff produced by diff -u
23:58<boss>jello, what does +++,---,@@-5+10 @@,-,+,-. etc mean in a diff file
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23:59<jello>you want the section on the unified format
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