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00:03<saratogacx>Does anyone know how to change the input orientation in X on the fly?
00:05<boss>saratogacx, what you mean by input orientation
00:06<boss>saratogacx, I think its possible by editing xorg.conf file
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00:08<saratogacx>well, I've got a tablet PC that I'm using and I can flip the screen with no problem (via xrandr). but I'd like to change the stylus orientation by 90* when I want to.
00:09<saratogacx>The tool that I'm supposed to be able to use is xsetwacom but the version that I've got from apt-get doesn't support roation and I can't get the thing to compile on it's own so I'm looking for altenatives
00:10<jello>saratogacx: why won't it compile?
00:12<saratogacx>lots of assorted errors, first about tcl and tk than the wacomlib than that wouldn't compile due to kernel source missing so I installed that and that didn't get found and I tried to find it myself and had no luck etc. etc.
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00:14<jello>saratogacx: what version do you need? what version of debian are you running? is there a backport available?
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00:16<saratogacx>I'm on debian stable (etch) supposidly I can get it via the wacom-tools package (I installed that) and I haven't found any backports :(
00:16<jello>what version of wacom-tools do you need?
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00:17<saratogacx>Unfortunately I'm not exactly sure. I'm trying to get working I think I have .5
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00:18<jello>saratogacx: sid/unstable has
00:18<jello>why not just backport that?
00:19<jello>!tell saratogacx about simple sid backport
00:19<saratogacx>What version do they have in etch?
00:19<jello>etch has
00:19<saratogacx>ah I see, okay, I'll try and do that, Thanks!!
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00:20<saratogacx>I'll let you know of the results
00:22<jello>saratogacx: good luck and good night!
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00:28<saratogacx>hm... so I installed it but apparently it still doesn't support the option.. I must have something wrong in how I configured the driver.. I'll have to lookinto that. Thanks! I never knew how to backport before
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00:40<ryan52>I want to do "reprepro pull" but only have it affect one package. How do I do that?
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00:48<yitz>Hi. I'm back. Sorry to bother you guys again. Is there a file that gets ran on user login to gdm?
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00:50<yitz>I couldn't find a half decent alarm app in the repository, so I decided to use `at' and `zenity' but need to run it when I log in
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00:54<yitz>Is there a file that gets ran on user login to gdm?
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00:59<SeveredCross>~/.xsession is one place that gets looked at I think.
00:59<dpkg>...but /.xsession is already something else...
01:00<SeveredCross>Also, if you use Gnome, you can use Gnome's autostart.
01:00<SeveredCross>There are similar mechanisms for xfce and KDE also.
01:00<SeveredCross>Probably others too.
01:01<yitz>The ~/.config/autostart/ entries seem to be not normal shell scripts
01:01<yitz>They are all .desktop
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01:08<saratogacx>okay so it looks like the version in sid isn't updated enough. but when I did the backport it added all my missing deps so I can do the updated tar.gz package... now to restart the x serv and try this out... Thanks again!
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01:10<saratogacx>yay!!! it works now!! thanks !
01:11<JordiGH>!beer saratogacx
01:11*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for saratogacx
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01:14<yitz>When I added a ~/.xsession script, my login logged me right back out
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01:37<hachi>anyone know how to get bluez-utils and bluetooth-applet to properly prompt me for a pin to authorize a connection?
01:38<hachi>I swear I used to have this working before, but I can't find any docs on the debian wiki or via google to describe it step-by-step so I can start over and see if I can fix it
01:40<dpkg>well, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root.
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01:43<hachi>I love how it says to run hidd --search without mentioning that only is for keyboards and mice
01:46<hachi>nope, no answers there
01:46<boss>in a diff file what does this mean
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01:49<JustSoul>how to connect to remote X font server?
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01:51<saratogacx>Another question if I may. How can I set a script to run at login and keep running in the background until logoff?
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01:52<Pryon>~/.login, ~/.logout
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01:53<Pryon>or .bash_login, .bash_logout if you're running bash
01:53<JustSoul>Pryon: keep running?
01:54<Pryon>in .bash_login, foo&
01:54<Pryon>(that's a guess)
01:54<Pryon>Run whatever it is in the background
01:54<JustSoul>How to connect to remote X font server?
01:54<Pryon>Possibly storing it's PID in a file to be used by .bash_logout to kill it later
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01:55<saratogacx>yay! thanis!
01:56<Killing_Frost>In ~/.bash_profile add the script name, followed by an ampersand to run it in the background and in ~/.bash_logout run killall scriptname
01:57<blarson>boss: line 1 changed to lines 1 to 7
01:58<saratogacx>if I want the script to be available to everyone where do I put it? (a bit of a n00b with this particular task)
01:58<Pryon>Don't make killall a habit if you work on non-linux unix-like operating systems :-)
01:59<Pryon>saratogacx: If you simply want it to be readable/executable to everyone set the read/execute bits (chmod o+rx filename). If you want it to be in everyone's path, in addition, you'll probably have to put it someplace like /usr/local/bin or modify everybody's path to include the program's path.
02:00<Killing_Frost>Used to have on account for running X and put If you want the script available to all users, put it in /usr/local/bin
02:00<Killing_Frost>Slow backspace.
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02:02<Killing_Frost>chmod 755 the script in /usr/local/bin and chown it root:root, I guess.
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02:02<Pryon>boss: 1c1,7 : Something on the order of "Line 1 changed, new stuff on lines 1-7
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02:03<predder>how can I set my hwclock to UTC? when I do hwclock --show it displays the correct time in UTC but it says EST
02:03<predder>the system's set to EST
02:03*Killing_Frost wonders why dpkg ain't responding.
02:04<Pryon>predder: according to the man page, --show always uses local time. Try the --utc option
02:04<boss>what does ! mean in diff file while i use diff -c old new Pryon
02:04<Pryon>! == 'changed line' in a context diff
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02:06<Pryon>Note that, sometimes, diff will refer to a line as changed when you think it's new. I have no idea why.
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02:06<Killing_Frost>tzselect and tzconfig might also work.
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02:11<Killing_Frost>hmmmn. Just isn't taking '/msg dpkg etch->lenny' today, it seems.
02:12<boss>Pryon, what does this mean @@ -7,16 +13,10 @@
02:13<boss>Pryon, what does -#,+# mean
02:13<boss>Pryon, what does -#:,+#:mean
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02:14<Killing_Frost>boss: Referring to what?
02:15*SeveredCross smells a diff
02:15<boss>Killing_Frost, referring to diff
02:15<predder>Pryon, thanks but I did check the manpage - I should've mentioned it displays EST regardless to whether or not I specify the UTC switch
02:16<predder>During the debian install process, you are asked "is your hardware clock set to UTC or localtime" - what I want to know is what changes when you answer that question
02:16<Killing_Frost>Means the - wasremoved and the + was added?
02:16<Pryon>boss: the diff info file has detailed explainations of all diff's output formats.
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02:20*Killing_Frost pokes dpkg again.
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02:25<Pryon>boss, "@@ -7,16 +13,10 @@" means "The following part of the diff refers to 16 lines of the 'from' file (starting with line 7) and 10 lines of the 'to' file starting with line 13"
02:25<Pryon>Following that, lines preceded by a space are unchanged, lines preceded by a '+' have been added to the 'from' file and lines preceded by '-' have been deleted from the 'from' file
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02:50<JustSoul>hi.. Smbd can give me links to man of (what is xfonts?)
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03:08<JustSoul>...Is it somebody here...?
03:13<slaxz>me is here !
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03:32<BauBau>hy all
03:32<BauBau>can anyboddy haelp me with debian pls
03:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
03:32<BauBau>i wold like to see the hole list of hardware support for debian
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03:33<BauBau>anybody knows what i am saying?
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03:33<suiside>BauBau: I don't think you realize the scope of what you are asking
03:34<BauBau>i know what i am asking man
03:34<BauBau>can somebody help me yer or no>? i don't have time lo lose aound here
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03:35<prem>hi all
03:36<prem>Is there any way to lock my screen as a root user..
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03:40<JustSoul>prem: X or console?
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03:41<prem>JustSoul, my whole Xserver
03:41<prem>JustSoul, any such ways..?
03:41<Torsten_W>prem: why to hell u login in x as root?
03:42<prem>Torsten_W, why not I...?
03:42<Torsten_W>because it's an security risk
03:43<Torsten_W>no one must login in x as root
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03:44<prem>Torsten_W, I thought its my there wont be much harm in login as root..
03:44<Torsten_W>learn the basics!
03:44<JustSoul>prem: What for you what to lock if it your computer?
03:44<Torsten_W>if u will be root permanently, use windows
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03:45<prem>Torsten_W, there a way or not..?
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03:45<JustSoul>prem: kde have lock-comand
03:45<prem>JustSoul, just am lokking through the options available..and I noticed there is no locking option for root..
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03:45<prem>JustSoul, thats why asked..
03:46<prem>JustSoul, what about gnome..?
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03:46<JustSoul>xautolock xtrlock
03:47<JustSoul>prem: test it and say us is it or not =)
03:48<JustSoul>what is xfonts??
03:49<enouf>you don't deserve root
03:49<enouf>go hire an admin
03:49<Killing_Frost>How do I make Debian help me rule the world?
03:49<enouf>get off the web
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03:50<JustSoul>enouf: me?
03:51<enouf>to anyone it applies to ;-)
03:51<enouf>but no
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03:53<JustSoul>If I want ark read cyrillic in arcs, I need install xfonts or ttfs or what?
03:55<enouf>try $ apt-cache search ^xfonts
03:56<enouf>wtf is arcs?
03:56<JustSoul>how in english .zip .tgz .rar .arj named?
03:57<Torsten_W>packed archive?
03:57<enouf>ar, and arK (kde)
03:57<enouf>archive, compressed
03:57<JustSoul>in one short word?
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03:59<JustSoul>compress "compressed", plz :) It's too long
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04:00<enouf>JustSoul: tar == Tape ARchiver
04:01<enouf>so archive doesn't necessarilt mean compressed, especially nor proprietary compression
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04:02<JustSoul>i undersand, but mostly I use rar. It's archiver and compressor in one moment
04:03<JustSoul>problem is not in how to name it, problem is how to read cyrillic in "ark" program
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04:05<JustSoul>If I want ark read cyrillic in archivs (compressed or not), I need install xfonts or ttfs or what?
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04:10<JustSoul>everybody dead
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04:34<JustSoul>If I want ark to read cyrillic in archives (compressed or not), I need install xfonts or ttfs or smth else?
04:36<Killing_Frost>Anyone know the name of the install prg that lets you select which font-support you want?
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04:38<JustSoul>I already install most of xfonts and ttfs that have cyrillic in description :(
04:38<JustSoul>no chages
04:38*JustSoul crying
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04:39<Killing_Frost>I'm running a dist-upgrade to lenny, so I can't find more info from dselect or aptitude.
04:39<JustSoul>mc also cannot read cyrillic inside of archive
04:40<mc>i can?
04:40<mc>oh. sorry.
04:40<JustSoul>mc: sorry
04:40<mc>damn highlights sometimes confuse me =)
04:42<Killing_Frost>Maybe there's a hint in the Russian-HOWTO?
04:43<Killing_Frost>Do you have the install disk for Debian?
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04:44<BauBau>where can i find a full hardware compatibility list?
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04:45<petemc>BauBau: google for linux hcl
04:45<gsimmons>!tell BauBau -about hcl
04:45<JustSoul>Killing_Frost: yes
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04:46<Killing_Frost>I would say to run the install disk, select the option to choose font-support, switch over to another terminal and run 'ps' to see what the program is so that it can be run from root after exiting the install disk.
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04:49<Killing_Frost>Or run aptitude and search for 'utf' to display some font packages along with their descriptions.
04:50<pabs>I'm getting this error from at in sid: Can't signal atd (permission denied), any thoughts on it?
04:51<JustSoul>install disk.. but I have no problem with l10n or i18n
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04:52<JustSoul>Killing_Frost: but there is no fonts with "utf"
04:52<Killing_Frost>Check the permissions for atd and match them.
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04:52<Killing_Frost>How about font names beginning in 'ru'?
04:53<pabs>Killing_Frost: which file? strace indicates it is not a file permissions problem
04:53<pabs>kill(6428, SIGHUP) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
04:54<Killing_Frost>Sorry pabs. I can't help much more than that.
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04:54<pabs>perhaps it is another 2.6.24 problem
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04:55<JustSoul>Killing_Frost: I already install all fonts I found =)
04:55<Killing_Frost>Permission denied is usually an owner/group problem.
04:57<Killing_Frost>JustSoul: Can you redirect the output to a text file, rename it to .html and look at it with Firefox?
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04:57<christoph>hi. any ideas , why kpowersave does not react to suspend to disk / ram ? no errors
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04:58<Woet>hello, on one of my dedicated servers i have 'lo Link encap:Local Loopback' in ifconfig, in another not. how to enable it?
04:59<BauBau>can i install packages from the internet on ubuntu?
04:59<BauBau>or just from the dvd's
04:59<Killing_Frost>Shure. Put them in /usr/local.
04:59<Woet>go to /etc/sources.list, and delete all about the CD
05:00<Woet>at BauBau
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05:02<JustSoul>Woet: may be comment, not delete?
05:02<Killing_Frost>Woet: What does your /etc/hosts file look like?
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05:07<pilgrim><christoph> Never got it to work consistently on Etch. Don't know why.
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05:30<JustSoul>I made it!!
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06:14<Requiem>flash leaks memory like a seive
06:16<purple>hi all, i trying to install nvidia 3d drivers so i need to know are this packages what i need
06:16<purple>nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:19<tucker>Can anybody tell me, why debian sid comes with a sources.list with etch repo's?
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06:23<tucker>Can anybody tell me, why debian sid comes with a sources.list with etch repo's?
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06:23<petemc>tucker: how did you install?
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06:27<tucker>petemc base dvd
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06:27<tucker>with just the core components
06:27<tucker>are the sid stable and contrib repo'
06:27<tucker>s as stable as etch?
06:27<petemc>there is no sid dvd
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06:28<petemc>tucker: sid is unstable, so no, its not as stable as stable
06:29<tucker>sid isn't 4.0 then?
06:29<petemc>no, thats etch
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06:30<tucker>so if I need stable use etch?
06:30<tucker>ok righto:)
06:30<tucker>thanks mate!
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06:32<purple>umm, sould anyone help a n00b to debian about nvidia drivers?
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06:34<JustSoul> purple ?
06:35<purple>JustSoul: please, i have problem regarding nvidia 3d drivers
06:35<purple>aptitude says nvidia-glx cant be installed :|
06:36<JustSoul>purple: why?
06:36<gsimmons>purple: Which Debian suite are you using?
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06:36<purple>i believe lenny/sid
06:36<purple>* nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.07 [UNAVAILABLE]
06:37<purple>thats the message
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06:38<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
06:38<gsimmons>purple: ^^^^^^^
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06:38<purple>gsimmons: i did
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06:39<purple>seems that nvidia-glx doent even exist
06:39<petemc>its not in testing
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06:40<purple>so what should i do petemc ?
06:40<gsimmons>purple: You must have missed the "Current issues" section, then. You could use a testing/unstable mix.
06:41<purple>gsimmons: i do use lenny/sid
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06:41<gsimmons>purple: What output do you receive for "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"?
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06:42<purple>gsimmons: ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
06:43<gsimmons>purple: And are you referencing lenny sources or sid sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
06:44<gsimmons>purple: Have you added non-free sources to your sources.list?
06:44<purple>i was looking for nopaste or wgetpaste to show you entire file
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06:45<purple>but there arent those packages in whole godamn debian
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06:47<gsimmons>purple: Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file and the output received for "apt-cache show nvidia-glx" at a paste site.
06:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:49<purple>i do not have X thus dont have any mouse except gpm and it cant paste text on such place
06:49<purple>cat say is that elinks or gpm issue
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06:49<dpkg>hmm... pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
06:49<purple>cool, thanks
06:50<gsimmons>!pastebin pipe
06:50<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
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06:52<gsimmons>purple: I'm sorry, I'm actually after "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx", not "apt-cache show".
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07:02<timon>народ, помогите плз
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07:03<timon>синаптик выдает ошибку при установки пакета
07:03<timon>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
07:03<timon>E: Ошибка чтения - read (14 Неправильный адрес)
07:03<timon>E: Невозможно открыть или обработать файл состояния или списки пакетов.
07:03<timon>в чем дело?
07:03<gsimmons>!tell timon -about mmap
07:04<purple>timon: gsimmons had looked at link?
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07:05<timon>lf z dbltk
07:05<timon>да я видел
07:05<petemc>purple: have you ran apt-get update ?
07:05<timon> и кеш я увеличивал
07:05<purple>petemc: ofcourse
07:05<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:05<timon>только в файле /root/.aptitude/config
07:06<timon>я запускал aptitude update
07:06<purple>timon: nobody understands you
07:06<gsimmons>!tell timon -about nvidia_post_etch
07:06<purple>go to #debian-russian and solve that out
07:06<gsimmons>!tell purple -about nvidia_post_etch
07:07<JustSoul>timon: Тут или по английски или в #debian-russian
07:09<timon>sorry, I'm mistaken channel
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07:11<JustSoul>How to teach irssi koi8-r ?
07:12<Gekz>hey :(
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07:12<Gekz>I try to load any document in openoffice and it spits
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07:12<Gekz>terminate called after throwing an instance of 'berkeleydbproxy::DbException'
07:12<Gekz>and then dies.
07:12<Gekz>google says no dice.
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07:15<purple>gsimmons: it actualy works.. :)
07:15<purple>thank you
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07:15<purple>it fetches nvidia-glx
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07:16<padski>ip rules list says: 0: from all lookup 255, (then main and default as text) but I see 255 local in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables. on etch
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07:17<padski>why ? :-)
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07:18<ajricoveri>im getting a "read only file system" as root on my kingston pen drive =( how do i change that ??
07:19<padski>mount /dev/foo -o remount,rw
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07:19<padski>ajricoveri, does it have a physical lock ?
07:20<ajricoveri>padski: no, i doesnt have any hold ..
07:20<ajricoveri>padski: can i remount it with write permissions ??
07:20<padski>ajricoveri, see above
07:20<ajricoveri>padski: thank u :)
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07:30<Acidic32>hi, how do i get Nvidia drivers?
07:30<Acidic32>dpkg info nvidia
07:30<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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07:32<ajricoveri>padski: im getting fat filesystem panic when i mount my pen drive as read-write ...
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07:32<munga>ajricoveri: did you try to fsck the fs on the drive ?
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07:34<ajricoveri>munga: ill try that thx, can i do that with read-only ??
07:35<munga>which fs are u using ?
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07:36<munga>if is not too much trouble, you can try to copy everything on the hd, and create a new fs on the pen (maybe scanning for badblocks beforehand)
07:36<Acidic32>Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could ▒
07:36<Acidic32> │ not be found
07:36<Acidic32>Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could ▒
07:36<Acidic32> │ not be found
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07:36<Acidic32>didnt mean to paste twice
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07:37<ajricoveri>ajricoveri: actually i want to copy an iso into my pen =p .
07:38<ajricoveri>munga: actually i want to copy an iso into my pen =p .
07:38<Acidic32>how do i get kernel headers ?
07:38<munga>what do you have in your /var/log/sysloh ?
07:38<munga>ajricoveri: what do you have in your /var/log/syslog ?
07:39<munga>ajricoveri: try also badblocks /dev/pen
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07:39<gsimmons>Acidic32: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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07:41<Acidic32>gsimmons: it removed some packages
07:41<Acidic32>but didnt install anything..
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07:42<ajricoveri>munga: i did badblocks /dev/sda1 on a fat filesystem, is that ok ??
07:42<Amoeba>hi, I have a problem with my sound. (etch, VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller)
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07:43<munga>yep, it scan the device, not the fs
07:43<Acidic32>which is weired
07:43<Acidic32>it removed avahi and stuff
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07:43<Amoeba>whenever I try to play anything, I get the message "kernel: Disabling IRQ #169" and my network connection stops working
07:44<padski>ip rules list says: 0: from all lookup 255, (then main and default as text) but I see 255 local in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables. on etch. why ?
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07:44<munga>Amoeba: from the sound of it, it looks like a irq conflict. Try to assign two different irq to the network card and the sound card
07:44<Amoeba>I had a similar problem I installed debian the last time, some years ago, but I've forgotten exactly how to fix it
07:44<ajricoveri>munga: my pendrive is a kingston traveler, fat filesystem on /dev/sda1 mounted on /media/KINGSTON
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07:44<ajricoveri>munga: how do i fsck it ??
07:44<Gekz>with an epeen.
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07:45<ajricoveri>munga: no bad blocks at all =)
07:45<Gekz>ajricoveri: apt-get install dosfsutils
07:45<Amoeba>munga: ok, how do I assign different IRQs?
07:45<Gekz>utils or tools
07:45<Gekz>one of them
07:45<ajricoveri>Gekz: what programs r included on the package ??
07:46<Acidic32>it keeps complaining
07:46<Acidic32>and not installing
07:46<Amoeba>(last time, I think I added or removed some kernel modules to fix it, don't recall exactly what. this time, I'm making notes)
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07:46<Gekz>ajricoveri: apt-cache show dosfstools
07:46<munga>ajricoveri: if you don't have any data on the fs, try mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
07:46<gsimmons>!tell Acidic32 -about bat
07:46<munga>ajricoveri: this will create a new fs on the pen.
07:46<Gekz>munga: why would you want a journalling fs on a usb keyu
07:46<Gekz>munga: that's not smart.
07:47<ajricoveri>munga: i have some data on it ...
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07:47<munga>Gekz: the first fs that came to my mind... how do you create a vfat ?
07:47<Gekz>ajricoveri: if you are going to reformat your usb stick to a linux format, use jffs2
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07:47<Gekz>munga: mkfs.vfat
07:47<munga>Gekz: dooooh :)
07:47<Gekz>you don't want vfat on anything under a gig.
07:47<padski>Gekz, jffs2 is for nand flash surely ?
07:47<munga>ajricoveri: copy the data, then reformat
07:47<Gekz>padski: erm, I can't recall exactly
07:47<Gekz>I did read about it
07:48<k-man>is there a way to install the nvidia drivers for a new kernel before rebooting into that kernel?
07:48<Gekz>but ext2 or jffs2
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07:48<Gekz>munga: you learnt to not advise people to use journalling on a flash device :)
07:48<padski>Gekz, IIUC just a regular fs is wanted on flash like sd or usb
07:48<munga>Amoeba: do you have one of these old network cards ? its a pci ? isa ?
07:48<Gekz>padski: are CF cards NAND?
07:49<ajricoveri>munga: Gekz: i want it to still work on windows as well =) ... ill use dosfstools to make a new fat sys
07:49<Amoeba>yes, an old pci
07:49<Gekz>ajricoveri: yep
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07:50<padski>Gekz, dunno. but I would expect them to be like sd or usb in this respect
07:50<Gekz>padski: it says NOR and NAND
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07:50<munga>Amoeba: then iirc, you can assign different irqs in the bios settings. I sometimes disable the serial and parallel port (if you don't have any use of it) and re-use their irqs for the network cards.
07:50<padski>Gekz, I mean as distinct from devices with built-in wear-levelling
07:50<Gekz>JFFS2 has been included in the official Linux kernel since the 2.4.10 release. The stable branch, supporting only NOR flash devices, is included in the current 2.4 series of kernels.
07:50<BauBau>how can i upf=date openoffice to the latest version
07:50<munga>modern card do everything automatically...
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07:50<Gekz>padski: you can't use, or shouldnt use, JFFS2 with hardware wear-levellers
07:50<munga>this is kind of old school knowledge...
07:51<Gekz>JFFS2 is for software wear levelling
07:51<Gekz>and compression
07:51<gsimmons>Acidic32: Your paste doesn't contain anything regarding with respect to a package installation issue. Please read the factoid from dpkg again.
07:51<padski>Gekz, this is my point. I wuold expect to use jffs2 on a usb flash device
07:51<Acidic32>ok, that was the a-m autoinstall nvidia but
07:52<BauBau>how can i install packages from the net and not from dvd?
07:52<munga>Amoeba: a recent kernel should also be able to share irqs between various devices (there is some kernel option to change this behaviour)
07:52<Gekz>padski: ... that's what I said to begin with
07:52<nareshov>BauBau: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
07:52<gsimmons>BauBau: Comment out your cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.
07:52<padski>"<Gekz> ajricoveri: if you are going to reformat your usb stick to a linux format, use jffs2"
07:53<nareshov>jffs2 :-?
07:53<Amoeba>hmm, ok, I'll try editing the bios first
07:53<Gekz>a linux format, it doesnt work with any other OS afaik
07:54<gsimmons>Acidic32: Are you using a custom kernel?
07:54<padski>Gekz, ah! this was sarcasm then ?
07:55<Gekz>padski: what was sarcasm
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07:56<migiel>what package should i use to cross compile, on every howto they refer to toolchain-source, but that is not available anymore in stable
07:56<gsimmons>Acidic32: The package has been previously installed then. "dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)" will incidate this as "ii".
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08:01<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:02<Amoeba>ok, didn't really understand how to edit the bios, so didn't do it, but did remember an rather important detail: in fact, the sound does work after booting, but stops working some time after that
08:02<gsimmons>!tell Acidic32 -about nvidia_post_etch
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08:18<JustSoul>How to, by script, add some lines in the middle of some file? for exaple after line "[custom setting]"
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08:20<vin`>JustSoul: sed, awk?
08:21<JustSoul>vin`: can you give some example?
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08:21<Amoeba>ok, well, the sound works right now, but I'd galdly take suggestions what information might be useful to store for comparison if it stops working again?
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08:24<vin`>JustSoul: info sed, look at examples.
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08:27<tjpp>I need a script to configure a static IP (like the old etherconf). It is supposed to run in a light environment, like icewm or console.
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08:28<munga>Amoeba: try cat /proc/interrupts and look if net and snd are still using the sound irq number
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08:29<munga>Amoeba: try also to pass pci=biosirq or pci=irqpoll to the kernel ...
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08:29<Amoeba>apparently not, 10: 204854 IO-APIC-level VIA686A 169: 221624 IO-APIC-level eth0
08:29<Amoeba>I think it has reported shutting down #10 maybe once or twice, usually it's #169
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08:31<munga>try also to disable the pnp option in the bios and manually assign two different irqs
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08:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:31<Acidic32>gsimmons: still dont work
08:31<munga>or try to google around for "irq conflict linux kernel" there are planty of forum posts on this subject
08:32<gsimmons>Acidic32: Just to confirm, what Debian suite are you using?
08:32<Acidic32>i installed etch
08:32<Acidic32>dist-upped to lenny
08:33<Amoeba>ok, I'll see if I can find a solution if the problem pops up again, though I'm a bit wary of doing anything to the kernel since I don't know very much about it... :-)
08:35<gsimmons>Acidic32: 'nvidia-*' packages aren't currently available in lenny/testing (as mentioned in the Debian wiki "NvidiaGraphicsDrivers" page). You'll either need to backport the packages from sid, or set up a testing/unstable mix.
08:35<Acidic32>im really confused
08:35<Acidic32>i might do it the manual way
08:35<Acidic32>custom kernel
08:35<Acidic32>drivers from nvidia site
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08:37<munga>Amoeba: passing an option at boot won't hurt anybody...
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08:39<muhkuh>hi... is there any deb package finder out there?
08:39<muhkuh>like for RPm's
08:40<petemc>debian has its packages in repositories
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08:41<muhkuh>i'd need python wxgtk2.8 but cannot find it so i thought maybe thers a searchin machine out there
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08:45<muhkuh>but there is just till 2.6
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08:45<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:45<muhkuh>to tell you what i want: I want to install plaay on linux for wine
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08:46<evilbelgian>hi all
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08:52<JustSoul>goob bye
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08:56<evilbelgian>hello people
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08:58<evilbelgian>why hello there
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08:58<nareshov>hello, evil one
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08:59<evilbelgian>hi nareshov
08:59<martijn>is there w32codecs in the repository?
09:00<gsimmons>!tell martijn -about w32codecs
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09:00<aya>when i am trying to start evilwm i get 'can't open display', what am i doing wrong?
09:00<hathe|>martijn: of course not in official debian repository
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09:01<jab>what kind of error is this?? google-hits: zero
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09:02<jab>gcc-4.1, 4.2, any 2.6. kernel
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09:02<jab>etch or testing, doesnt matter
09:03<nareshov>is make aliased something ?
09:03<nareshov>is your system compromised?
09:04<jab>a fresh install from official debian server
09:04<jab>thought of being compromised too :-/
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09:05<martijn>thanks all
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09:06<jab>gonna do some makefile debugging...strange thing
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09:08<traubisoda>do you know any alternatives for gdeklets because i can't install it on lenny?
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09:10<noflash>traubisoda, gdesklets ?
09:11<traubisoda>it's not on the lenny repos
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09:13<noflash>traubisoda, is it in backports?
09:14<traubisoda>i don't use any but i'll check it right now
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09:15<traubisoda>but is there any backports for a testing os?
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09:16<kisbes>do you know any window manager that may be totally controlled by keyboard?
09:16<kisbes>something like in movies
09:16<witte>kisbes: ratpoison
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09:17<kisbes>any better?
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09:17<witte>kisbes: dfm maybe, or configure other wm to use only the keyboard
09:18<kisbes>but gnome is too "beautiful" for this :)
09:18<witte>kisbes: I use windowmaker, and only for browsing i really use the mouse, the rest is controlled through shortcuts
09:18<kisbes>I mean something like "awesome"
09:18<kisbes>like in die hard 4.0 if U've seen that
09:18<traubisoda>try ion
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09:19<GhostlyDeath>kisbes: Know C?
09:19<kisbes>a little bit
09:19<kisbes>but I prefer more "fashion"-programming languages
09:19<kisbes>php, java, etc.
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09:19<GhostlyDeath>yuck Java
09:20<kisbes>imho, c is too near to assembly
09:20<GhostlyDeath>not really
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09:20<nareshov>Obj-C :}
09:21<kisbes>I've learnt it :)
09:21<kisbes>I mean the ansi C
09:21<GhostlyDeath>Unicode C
09:22<kisbes>never used it for something great
09:22<kisbes>it was just my next floor after pascal
09:22<nareshov>my my
09:22<GhostlyDeath>You make it sound like a game of Kung Fu
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09:24<traubisoda>but could anybody help me to install gdesklets on lenny?
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09:25<nareshov>any specific gdesklet you're interested in?
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09:26<traubisoda>i see
09:27<leonidas>Greetings, when I run named-checkzone for db.127 i get constantly get the error "zone NS '' has no address records (A AAAA) I am unable to fix that error message. Anyone could give me hand?
09:27<traubisoda>and is there any way to install it or i'll have to search for another alternative?
09:27<themill>traubisoda: it's probably on
09:27<leonidas>this error message appeared when i upgraded from etch to testing
09:27<traubisoda>i'll check it
09:27<themill>traubisoda: actually, the version from sid or etch should also be installable
09:28<themill>traubisoda: It's the same version. But the patch from its RC bug will be required to get it to work, it seems.
09:28<padski>leonidas, is not having any address records actually an error ?
09:29<traubisoda>i see
09:29<leonidas>no it is not padski i agree, but I just would like to understand what is happening and try to fix it if possible
09:29<traubisoda>thx for your help
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09:47<leonidas>padski: has made my life easier :) I still dont understand why?
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10:00<Terrapin>*feels lost*
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10:04<amphi>!comfort Terrapin
10:04<dpkg>There, there, Terrapin. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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10:05<AbsintheSyringe>how can through console convert ogg video to .avi?
10:05<AbsintheSyringe>lives is taking too long, and avidemux won't open it
10:05<wo0f>google :P
10:05<AbsintheSyringe>or tell me some really good desktop recorder
10:05<amphi>mencoder or transcode perhaps
10:05<wo0f>theres many tools
10:05<petemc>ffmpeg or mencoder
10:05<AbsintheSyringe>krecordmydesktop and istanbull arent really something
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10:14<AbsintheSyringe>mencoder compiz.ogg -o out.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc
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11:05<faclon>HI, I recently install debian etch but I got a problem, When I boot it when it gets to Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... it freeze and I need to reboot the computer, but it always get to the same error again and again
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11:12<suiside>faclon: boot a livecd, mount your debian root partition, chroot to your debian instalation 'chroot /path/to/mounted/debian/root /bin/bash, 'aptitude update && aptitude install udev' and reboot
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11:14<suiside>faclon: if you have divided your debian instalation to several partitions, say for example you have your /var on a different one mount them all to their proper mountpoint relative to the debian root before chrooting
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11:15<falcon>suiside, I think that I know which is the problem, I connect an ide dvd rom and there is where the error start appearing, I take off the dvd and it boots normally, that's strange
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11:23<suiside>falcon: the device names propably change when you plug in the dvd drive, the persistent naming rules for udev should prevent that though
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11:38<angasule>can anyone tell me of a good way of converting pdfs to html offline? pdftohtml is not converting images
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11:42<Supaplex>the images should be in the pdf. humph
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11:43<angasule>Supaplex: the pdf has images, sure :P
11:44<Supaplex>does it work when you're online? if so, that *is* odd. that's all.
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11:49<administrator>hello all! where can i read some about routing?
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11:50<petemc>administrator: google for lartc
11:51<angasule>Supaplex: funny, not helpful. I'm spending most of my time offline on a computer that doesn't have X11
11:51<administrator>y i know... i can't find any good inf
11:51<Supaplex>I'm not trying to be funny or unhelpful.
11:52<administrator>petemc: i need vary smatr ip route so i need many examples... ahere can i find it?
11:52<angasule>ah, I thought you were doing it on purpose, anyway, I have a very old laptop I'm using while away, and I need to read pdfs, I have links2 so html looks like a nice format to convert to
11:52<petemc>administrator: see my previous answer
11:53<administrator>petemc i cant find it... if you know give me link
11:53<petemc>type lartc , hit enter
11:53<administrator>petemc: direct link to the routing examples plz
11:54<petemc>no chance
11:54<administrator>petemc: if you so smart just do it
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11:54<petemc>you're very annoying
11:54<administrator>petemc: i search for 2 hours
11:54<administrator>petemc: result = 0
11:55<Supaplex>you've only been here 5 minutes
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11:55<petemc>if you cant find it, then it would be very unlikely that you would understand it even if someone pointed you right at it
11:55<administrator>i seach later
11:55<administrator>petemc i will understand! just give link
11:56<Supaplex>administrator: you are blind, you just had it
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11:56<Supaplex>any simpler and I'll have to choke you with your own keyboard
11:56*Supaplex has other crap to do, good day ...
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11:58<Supaplex>petemc: lartc == cool. maybe I'll learn something new there :)
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12:07<evilbelgian>hi guys
12:07<evilbelgian>i know this is offtopic but could someone please try and go on the facebook site and tell me if it works
12:07<suiside>you're right, it's offtopic
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12:08<evilbelgian>*blank stare*
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12:10<evilbelgian>all i'm asking is you type in a url pls no one in the offtopic chan is answering
12:11<dan_>mechant belge: facebook site is working for me
12:12<evilbelgian>dan: thanks
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12:12<evilbelgian>it doesn't seem to be working for the whole of south africa
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12:13<dan_>maybe it's related to the loss of cable in the Mediteranean (
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12:18<evilbelgian>but then why am i not being disconnected from mirc
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12:19<dan_>well, some traceroute could help to see where is the bottleneck
12:20<dpkg>hmm... mirc is, or sucks festering dog balls
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12:21<bloom>anybody know of a battery monitor that works with kernel 2.6.24's new /sys interface?
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12:31<suiside>bloom: apparently atleast xfce4-battery-plugin has a patch for 2.6.24 available, don't know if it's sufficient for your needs though
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12:31<bloom>I'll take a look, thanks
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12:32<suiside>bloom: I'd wager support for 2.6.24 would be quite high on the priority list though, so I would expect others will not be far behind if they're not already supporting it
12:33<bloom>I'm trying to figure out whether to start writing a patch for wmbattery, or to just switch to a different battery monitor
12:33<ajricoveri>i want to monitor network traffic on my proxy, squidview only does that with http requests ... i want monitor other protocols...
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12:35<ajricoveri>i meant other app layer protocols traffic ....
12:35<ToNight> Please Entred this page you will vote for me!!! (Thanks to all who entered!!)
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12:35<munga>ajricoveri: ntop ?
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12:37<ajricoveri>munga: ive just heard about wireshark and tcpdump, what about those ??
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12:38<munga>if you want a nice web interface ntop, if you want look at the row traffic use tcpdump, if you want to do some fine traffic analysis use wireshark ...
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12:47<ToNight> Please Entred this page you will vote for me!!! (Thanks to all who entered!!)
12:47<ToNight> Please Entred this page you will vote for me!!! (Thanks to all who entered!!)
12:47<ToNight> Please Entred this page you will vote for me!!! (Thanks to all who entered!!)
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12:49<suiside>!ops ToNight is spamming
12:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: suiside complains about: ToNight is spamming
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12:49<weasel>suiside: thanks for nothing
12:50<suiside>darn, sorry for the bother
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12:52*Supaplex avoids !ops now anyways.
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13:06<Guest1173>hello all
13:07<Guest1173>can someione help with ntfs-3g error when i mount a partition
13:07<Guest1173>this error: Failed to open ntfs attribute:
13:08<panagos>i have a problem, when i log out of kde, normally after a while kdm shows up. instead, i get a blank screen and the caps and scroll leds start blinking! the system becomes unrepsonsive (neither ctrl+alt+f* nor alt+sysrq+* work) and i am forced to reboot (via my box's switch). any help would be welcome! :)
13:09<themill>panagos: fglrx?
13:09<panagos>themill: yes... :|
13:10<panagos>themill: it didn't do that some days ago though... and i didn't change the driver
13:10<themill>panagos: it's caused a kernel panic when restarting X for the new kdm session. You might find it does that if you hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 too. You could try a newer fglrx....
13:10<themill>panagos: is it doing it all the time now?
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13:11<panagos>themill: whenever i log out from x, yes
13:11<panagos>blinking caps and scroll leds mean a kernel panic?
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13:12<themill>they do with some recent kernels. The last thing the kernel does before getting wedged is flash the kb leds.
13:12<panagos>themill: a usual ctrl+alt+f* works normally
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13:13<ajricoveri>can i remotely capture network traffic with wireshark ??
13:13<themill>it might this time but not another time. I have found it to be a little random.
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13:14<panagos>and i have also noticed that there are two Xorg processes with exactly the same memory usage, but the second one uses not cpu time! o_O i've tried killing it, and nothing happens (except that it's killed)
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13:16<panagos>themill: you too have fglrx? :D
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13:17<hever>Hi. I installed phpmyadmin under debian etch. If I'm going to show the structure of a table it shows me an error: "db_structure.php was not found on this server.". I thought "Uhm ok lets see where is my mistake". After I reinstalled phpmyadmin it still doesn't work. Then I got the source package and saw that the file is not there. Am I wrong or is this a big bug ?
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13:18<themill>panagos: yes. I pulled a version out of lenny some time ago to solve such problems and also to get s2disk to work properly. (ver 8.37.6)
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13:18<Coyote`>hi threr
13:18<Coyote`>is there a way to boot directly on the console and avoiding X
13:18<Coyote`>cause my x is crashed ...
13:19<Coyote`>ctrl+alt+fx won't work
13:20<panagos>Coyote`: uninstall kdm/gdm/whatever
13:20<panagos>Coyote`: but don't purge :)
13:20<Coyote`>sure but when i boot my computer ...
13:20<hever>Is somebody else running phpmyadmin under debian etch ?
13:20<Coyote`>it goes dorectly to X
13:20<Coyote`>i can't kill X :/
13:20<Coyote`>dunno why
13:21<themill>hever: where is this db structure? can you describe what you're doing?
13:21<panagos>Coyote`: boot at single-user mode
13:21<hever>themill: db_structure.php is called if you click on a dbname
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13:21<themill>hever: works fine for me...
13:21<hever>themill: and tbl_structure.php is called if you click on a table name
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13:22<chealer_>hever: which phpmyadmin version do you use?
13:23<themill>hever: well.. it loads db_details_structure not db_structure
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13:24<hever>Whats going on it isn't still in the sources package. I got it from a mirror in the server centre of my provider...
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13:24<chealer_>hever: I mean, what's the version of the package
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13:25<hever>chealer: 4:
13:25<Coyote`>anyone know a cool way to deal with the multi buttons mouse ?
13:26<Coyote`>a tool of someting ?
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13:27<themill>hever: You're right, that file isn't in the debian package, but I can't get to that error anyway.... can you describe in lots of detail how you get this error.
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13:33<hever>themill: uhm... I'm using apache2 with mod_fcgid and suexec and open_basedir in php.ini. There are no php errors. And I think I can't be say more detailed as I click on a database name and got the error :)
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13:33<weasel>open_basedir works with php running as cgi?
13:33<hever>weasel: yes fine!
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13:34<chealer>hever: did you check Google?
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13:34<hever>chealer: just a bit...
13:34<ajricoveri>can i remotely monitor network traffic with wireshark ???
13:35<valdyn>ajricoveri: umm?
13:35<chealer>hever: did you find anyone else getting that error?
13:35<themill>hever: db_structure is not called anywhere in the debian package, only db_details_structure
13:35<ajricoveri>i want my pc to capture packets from a proxy
13:36<valdyn>ajricoveri: you can only capture traffic that your machine actually sees physically
13:36<yourself>hi can anybody tell something about problems with midi? cannot find midi devices in the system
13:37<valdyn>yourself: and ? you have midi devices?
13:37<DebEtch>What's the risk of install the Nvidia Graphic driver and do a KErnel upgrade?
13:37<ajricoveri>valdyn: can i send capture info to another pc ??
13:37<DebEtch>And, what will be the more indicated package for an Nvidia 5200?
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13:38<valdyn>ajricoveri: thats sucha fundamental question, i dont know how you want to understand what you capture
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13:38<valdyn>ajricoveri: any data can be sent over network, thats what a network does
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13:38<yourself>well i dont remember exactly the model of my sound card, that's one of C-media... but in the XP midi worked correctly
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13:38<ajricoveri>valdyn: im not explaining myself well
13:38<yourself>and debian cannot identify any one
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13:38<ajricoveri>valdyn: lets explain the situation first
13:38<valdyn>ajricoveri: probably
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13:39<valdyn>ajricoveri: can you log into that proxy? can you install software on that proxy?
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13:39<ajricoveri>valdyn: yes
13:39<chealer>DebEtch: did you read ?
13:39<valdyn>ajricoveri: so just ssh -X into that proxy and run "wireshark"
13:40<dpkg>hmm... sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or, or try
13:40<valdyn>ajricoveri: that setup allows you to compute / capture on the proxy, but display the wireshark interface on your box of your choice
13:40<ajricoveri>valdyn: isnt wireshark gtk dependent ??
13:40<valdyn>ajricoveri: yes
13:40<DebEtch>chealer: Nop, i'll read it now, thanks for it
13:41<hever>themill: Ah I see. I set it my way by setting $cfg['DefaultTabDatabase'] = 'db_structure.php'; I think I used a wrong samle config file...
13:41<valdyn>ajricoveri: i think it has a textmode interface too
13:41<themill>hever: ahh....
13:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
13:41<hever>themill: whow thanks... that was good work ;)
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13:41<ajricoveri>valdyn: can i capture on the proxy but display results on another wireshark client of my choice ??
13:42<themill>hever: Ctrl+I in iceweasel and grep on the source code ;)
13:42<valdyn>ajricoveri: im not that familiar with wireshark, but i bet you could capture to file on the proxy and inspect that file on a different host
13:42<hever>themill: You saved my night. ;)
13:42<ajricoveri>valdyn: how do i access the file ?? ssh ?? sctp??
13:43<valdyn>ajricoveri: however you want
13:43<ajricoveri>valdyn: does wireshark support all of that ?? =)
13:43<valdyn>ajricoveri: a file is a file, no matter how you copy it
13:43<valdyn>ajricoveri: i think you're looking for wireshark monitoring the data realtime?
13:44<ajricoveri>valdyn: yes, im talking about realtime =) (if it is possible)
13:44<valdyn>ajricoveri: its fucked up
13:44<valdyn>ajricoveri: it takes to much bandwidth oviously
13:44<ajricoveri>valdyn: could be worse
13:45<ajricoveri>valdyn: didnt though about that, ure right
13:45<valdyn>ajricoveri: installing libgtk isnt that bad..
13:45<valdyn>ajricoveri: i think you should consider that, and use ssh -X
13:45<ranix>REAL real time, or fake amateur real time?
13:45<ajricoveri>valdyn: so i make a capture file, then i copy it into my box ...
13:45<valdyn>ranix: umm? hard realtime is hardly relevant to this
13:45<ranix>wtf are you guys doing
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13:46<ranix>what is wireshark
13:46<valdyn>ajricoveri: no, you just run wireshark on the proxy via ssh -X
13:46<valdyn>ranix: use apt-cache , not us
13:46<ajricoveri>valdyn: even if server has no X at all ??
13:46<ranix>wireshark is the wrong took for that job, that's the correct answer
13:46<valdyn>ajricoveri: so install those libraries
13:46<ranix>don't be condecending to me valdyn
13:47<valdyn>ajricoveri: its not bad at all, its just some wasted disk space, nothing else
13:47<ranix>use a command-line network protocol analyzer
13:47<ranix>pipe it to a file for logs, screen -r for real time monitoring
13:47<ranix>or tail the file
13:47<ajricoveri>ranix: prob with those is that entries goes so fast ..
13:47<ranix>so process the file with grep or less
13:48<ajricoveri>ranix: i think file choice is better suited for me =)
13:48<ranix>regular expressions are your friend when processing any data
13:48<ranix>textual data^
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13:49<DebEtch>Pretty intersting, that of install nvidia drivers, i think i'll not install the until i require them very much...
13:49<ranix>if you need something niftier than a file try looking for a curses-based interface
13:50<valdyn>ajricoveri: theres no big conceptual difference between what i am and what ranix is suggesting, its just that X needs to diskspace
13:51<valdyn>ajricoveri: and that usign a gui or not is a matter of taste
13:51<ajricoveri>valdyn: rather that server performance ??
13:51<valdyn>ajricoveri: nah
13:51<ranix>using x forwarding is slow
13:52<valdyn>ajricoveri: network bandwidth can be an issue, not really server load
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13:52<ranix>x forwarding for nonessentials compared to screen retrieval with terminal emulators is like the difference between Debian and Ubuntu
13:53<ranix>one is full of waste and kludge and the other is simple and elegant
13:54<DebEtch>Is true that Ubuntu is based on Debian testing/unstable? Somebody here know if that's true?
13:55<ranix>That's false
13:55<valdyn>DebEtch: its wrong, its based on unstable
13:55<ranix>it's a forked distribution, it's not "based" on Debian at all
13:55<valdyn>ranix: geez
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13:55<emd001>but ubuntu does have some of debian way of doing things implemented in it
13:55<valdyn>DebEtch: ubuntu maintains a complete diff to debian/unstable, and rebases each release to a new unstable snapshot
13:56<valdyn>DebEtch: ubuntu even tries hard to get debian using ubuntus "fixes" because that reduces their own workload
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13:58<ranix>I like the emphasis on "fixes"
13:58<DebEtch>Uhmmm, thanks, that doubt was in my head since i tested it..
14:00<DebEtch>Ehmm, what's an stock Kernel? The Nvidia Debian page mention it some times and..
14:00<ranix>gotta be more specific
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14:01<ranix>the Nvidia drivers have some sort of kernel IIRC
14:01<valdyn>DebEtch: a debian kernel
14:01<ranix>that could also refer to a linux kernel with default options or released in a binary form
14:04<valdyn>ranix: that was just because ubuntu calls it fixes, what a debian maintainer makes of that is its own business only
14:05<DebEtch>Ok, thanks
14:06<DebEtch>ehmmm, what's the difference within use a free driver and a Nvidia driver?
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14:07<sepski>DebEtch, 3d performance i think
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14:13<DebEtch>I have a Nvidia 5200 with 256 mb, will affect to me use a free driver? The thing is i don't want to modiofy the kernel or damage the system...
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14:17<sepski>DebEtch, i use the nvidia one liner with no problesm
14:17<sepski>ask dpkg about nvidia
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14:18<fake>by default, you use the free driver after debian installation
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14:20<DebEtch>Already did it. And, i have just installed EnemyLines3 for test my viideo card and it goes slow. About nvidia driver, i have readed that you have to recompile the kernel when you upgrade it, is that true?
14:22<DebEtch>Is the kernel reompílation hard?
14:23<DebEtch>And, what's the normal wait time before a new kernel is released, let's say, for the stable release of debian?
14:23<fake>no, you just have to read the readme file
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14:25<DebEtch>Uhmm, that sounds good, but, when you upograde the kernel, will X fail to start if you haven't recompiled the kernel?
14:25<chealer>DebEtch: a stock kernel is a Linux image compiled by Debian
14:25<chealer>(the Debian project and its build daemons)
14:25<sepski>DebEtch, you do not need to recompile the kernel.
14:26<fake>oups, yes you don't recompile the kernel...
14:26<sepski>DebEtch, yes X will fail to start after you have upgraded the kernel. until you rerun the nvidia one-liner
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14:26<chealer>DebEtch: the main differences are that the nvidia driver is much harder to use, and the free drivers do not support 3D acceleration.
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14:27<DebEtch>really, that sounds really good!But, what's that of nvidia one-liner?
14:27<sepski>DebEtch, you have to type m-a a-i nvidia before X will work again.... it's incredibly complex and only uber geeks are capable of typing that line without errors
14:27<sepski>DebEtch, (note the sarcasm) :)
14:27<chealer>DebEtch: so yes, it will affect you, unless you don't use 3D acceleration nor any of the features exclusive to nvidia.
14:27<sepski>DebEtch, ask dpkg about nvidia and about nvidia one-liner
14:28<amphi>the price of blobbery
14:28<DebEtch>!nvidia one-liner
14:28<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
14:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
14:28<amphi>!tell DebEtch -about selftell
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14:29<chealer>DebEtch: normally the only time a newer Linux enters stable is when a new Debian release happens. there may be an exceptions to that in the future, for example 2.6.24 may enter stable in the next months.
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14:30<chealer>DebEtch: X will fail to start with a new kernel if you don't install a new nvidia module in advance.
14:30<bcochofel>Hi, is there a way to tar some files from diff dirs without the dir info?
14:31<bcochofel>I mean, remove the dir info inside the tar
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14:35<DebEtch>ehmm, so, say me if i'm right.. Suppose that i install the nvidia drivers with the debian way, it goes allñ right and i use it perfectly. then, i make a Kernel upgrade, then, X will fail to start, so there will be only a command line interface in wich i will do the nvidia one-liner and rebbot, then, it will start normally and i will have to do that the next time i upgrade kernel?
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14:37<a_senna>systemimager not found in lenny, why?
14:38<chealer>DebEtch: did you read the introduction of ?
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14:39<DebEtch>Thinks not, is that page the same than ?
14:40<dkr>#foo at end of url takes you to a specific spot in the page
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14:43<DebEtch>I readed it now, so, if i have some trouble with nvidia driver (X, or others), that page can solve it? Because that means that if i have some trouble, i only need to run elinks from command line and read what that page says!
14:43<chealer>DebEtch: yes, it's an anchor to the "How to deal with kernel changes and driver upgrades" section of that page
14:44<dkr>they should name the anchors based on the section name rather than base64 string
14:44<chealer>DebEtch: yes. or, as the page says, you can revert step 3 temporarily.
14:45<DebEtch>thanks, i'm going to isntall the nvidia drivers now. Another question, do you know if there is some Client like konversation but in text mode?
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14:46<chealer>DebEtch: yes..but again, all you need to do if there's a problem and X fails to start is to revert step 3.
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14:49<fake>if you have problem you can also use vesa driver...
14:50<sco50000>when i ue ntfs-3g to mount my ntfs partition i get a warning about having a deficient kernel in debian etch. is this normal?
14:50<chealer>fake: that's what reverting step 3 is about
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14:51<D4T>hi all, anyone know if there is a hard limit for the number of nfs shares that can be mounted using autofs?
14:51<D4T>i seem to get to 26 then im unable to mount anymore.
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14:58<Al_Wh>how do I use debconf to edit the attributes for an LCD monitor? the released params are wrong.
14:58<chealer>sco50000: I guess so
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15:01<pumpkin0>Al_Wh: attributes ? Like the resolution or is it about the color ?
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15:03<Al_Wh>like the vertical refresh rate specifically. it's set at 85 but the monitor is incapable of more than 60.
15:04<themill>!tell Al_Wh about drxx
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15:06<pumpkin0>Al_Wh: the dpms-detect should fix that.
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15:06<Al_Wh>no because this particular monitor can do 85 but only at low horiz rate.... dpms detect doesn't understand that level of complexity.
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15:16<pumpkin0>Al_Wh: chances are the dpms gets overwritten by /etc/x11/xorg.conf. In that case the xorg.conf wins and the mode is set to that limits.
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15:29<shivraj>I have a desktop computer with linux installed
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15:29<shivraj>I want to put it upstairs and link it wirelessly what hardware do Ineed to do this ?
15:29<shivraj>to the network
15:30<shivraj>wireless access point ?
15:30<shivraj>something I can just plugin and let it work .......... I dont want any headaches
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15:31<witte>shivraj: yes, a wireless access point seems reasonable, most of these things come with a web interface to configure them
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15:32<shivraj>witte : so I can plug my desktop computer into it, and it will link to existing network ?
15:32<shivraj>witte : how will I configure it ?
15:33<karlos>Hi to all again, good news, i have just installed the nvidia driver and all goes perfect, i tested enemylines again and everithing perfect!! Thanks to all!
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15:34<shivraj>witte : ie plug in desktop into it log on to and tell it which wireless network to use ?
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15:36<karlos>Hey, there is something in the nvidia debian page that says "glxinfo |grep rendering" but it only outputs me "command not found", is there any other method to comprove thius?
15:37<witte>shivraj: well, you first just log in wired (or read teh manual and follow the default settings there) and you log in to the server using it's IP (could be, or something else, that is dependent on the producer), you configure wap/wep/essid/whatever to your liking
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15:37<witte>shivraj: remember, these devices should be useable for windows users, so if you can manage a linux install, you will be able to manage that as well ;-)
15:38<shivraj>witte ;-)
15:38<witte>karlos: glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package
15:38<shivraj>witte : I just dont want to deal with wireless in linux it can be a pain ...
15:39<witte>shivraj: the major problem is the wireless network card for your linux machine, and plenty are supported, but not all
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15:41<karlos>witte: And i have to install it right?...
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15:43<witte>karlos: well, the error you gave was "command not found", if you want to see the output of "glxinfo |grep rendering", you should install it
15:43<linduxed>my flashplayer (nonfree, installed manually with the tar.gz package) worked perfectly yesterday,,,now where there should be a vid on youtube theres just a white space
15:44<witte>linduxed: there is a flashplayer debian package
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15:44<Kebianizao>I can't login into my wiki account
15:45<Kebianizao>I've received a message to recover from it, but the pass I've recived doesn't work
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15:45<Supaplex>that could be any one of a dozen sites Kebianizao
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15:46<Woet>when i use ./configure to compile libssh2, i get 'checking for OpenSSL... configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h> or <hmac.h>'
15:46<karlos>witte: : ) then, i'll install it, no problem. lol
15:46<Kebianizao>Supaplex:could you elaborate¿? don't understand
15:46<Woet>when i do './configure --with-openssl=/usr', i get 'checking for OpenSSL... Using explicit path /usr
15:46<Woet>and then 'configure: error: Missing one or more of <openssl/bn.h>, <openssl/evp.h>, <openssl/hmac.h>, <openssl/pem.h>, <openssl/sha.h>
15:47<linduxed>witte: i know but firefox doesnt see it when you install it that way
15:47<Kebianizao>Supaplex: I've received a mail telling me my username and a sha1 pass, but I can't login with that
15:47<Supaplex>Kebianizao: wikipedia? debian wiki? your very own first wiki installed at localhost?
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15:47<Kebianizao>Supaplex: sorry, debian wiki
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15:48<witte>linduxed: firefox? iceweasel you mean, and on my system, it does show in about:plugins
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15:50<themill>Woet: do you have libssl-dev installed?
15:50<Woet>already fixed, thank you
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15:50<Woet>(by installing libssl-dev, yea)
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15:50<Kebianizao>what am I supposed to do with the sha1 hash I've recived?
15:50<themill>Woet: apt-file is your friend
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15:51<linduxed>well...i had to do the manual install for it to work...
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15:51<Woet>"make: *** [ssh2.lo] Error 1"
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15:52<themill>!wayttd Woet
15:52<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Woet?
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15:52<Woet>oh, im trying to install the SSH2 extension for PHP5
15:52<Woet>i get that error doing 'pecl install ssh2-beta'
15:52<Woet>err, because i need to login into ssh2 using PHP?
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15:53<themill>that sounds somewhere between kludgey and dirty...
15:53<brunokrebs>I want to install amsn in my debian but I dont know if I have tcl-tk 8.4 or 8.5 how do I figure it out??
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15:53<witte>brunokrebs: apt-get install amsn, dependencies are taken care of by debian
15:53<themill>Woet: "apt-get build-dep openssh-server openssh-client" probably won't hurt for that
15:54<Woet>i already have those 2, im logged in with SSH right now ;)
15:54<xemacs>brunokrebs: "dpkg -l"
15:54<Woet>but i will download all of that
15:54<themill>Woet: build-dep not install.... :)
15:55<themill>Woet: Just on a wild guess that your ssh pecl will have pretty similar build-deps to openssh.
15:55<Woet>ah, i see
15:55<Woet>nope, it didnt work
15:55<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
15:55<streuner>!didn't work
15:55<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
15:56<brunokrebs>when I try to install using "apt-get install amsn" it says: "E: Couldn't find package amsn"
15:56<streuner>brunokrebs: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
15:56<Kebianizao>who could help me to recover my pass in the debian wiki?
15:56<streuner>!info amsn lenny
15:56<dpkg>amsn: (An MSN messenger written in Tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.97-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 3421 kB, Installed size: 11300 kB
15:56<metis>where I should mount other partitions (not from linux system) where I have data like music, mouvies ...?
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15:56<brunokrebs>it says: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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15:56<streuner>!info amsn etch
15:56<dpkg>amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3 (etch), Packaged size: 2265 kB, Installed size: 7354 kB
15:57<streuner>brunokrebs: show us you sources.list please (
15:57<witte>brunokrebs: amsn is in etch, so the apt-get command should do the trick
15:57<streuner>it might be in s.d.o
15:58<brunokrebs>streuner, where is the source list again? sorry Im noob
15:58<streuner>brunokrebs: /etc/apt/sources.list
15:58<karlos>try nano /etc/apt/sources.list from a teminal
15:58<Harrier>Hi everyone. I've got a problem with vnc4server on etch: i can remote login as a normal user, start a terminal, su and run commands as root - no problem here - but if I try to authenticate through gksu I get "xlib: connection to "localhost:1.0" refused by server xlib: No Protocol specified". Anyone got an idea what this could be?
15:59<witte>streuner: if you mean security with s.d.o, it isn't there (or maybe also) but there is a version in main
15:59<brunokrebs>streuner: this is my source.list
16:00<karlos>And talking about repositorires, for have the main contrib and non-free repoositories there have to be a line like: deb stable main contrib non-free. Right?
16:00<witte>!tell brunokrebs about sources.list
16:00<themill>Woet: can you pastebin the entire output?
16:00<Woet>sure, hang on
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16:00<streuner>brunokrebs: you need another line for main, you have only one line for
16:00<witte>brunokrebs: add a line for the main repositories to your sources.list
16:01<themill>streuner: brunokrebs has a pretty old libc6 there so there's some updating required.
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16:01<brunokrebs>why do I have old libc6, I downloaded debian like a few weeks ago
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16:02<brunokrebs>streuner: which line would be that? I mean what do I write in this line?
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16:03<themill>brunokrebs: You must have grabbed an etch 4.0r0 installer not an r2 installer. Updates happen to fix security holes on a regular basis.
16:03<streuner>brunokrebs: deb unstable main
16:03<streuner>brunokrebs: deb etch main
16:03<streuner>brunokrebs: the etch line ^^^
16:03<themill>Woet: your error is on line 138 of that paste. The C code in that pecl module is buggy.
16:04<Woet>well, someone was able to install that package on another server
16:04<Woet>but he's unable to help me right now
16:04<brunokrebs>streuner only the etch line? or both that you typed/
16:04<streuner>brunokrebs: only the etch line, the "unstable" first was a typo...
16:04<Woet>if someone in here knows how to install the SSH2 extension for PHP5, please tell me.
16:04<miksuh>if you have etch, then only etch line
16:05<brunokrebs>streuner ok thx man
16:05<miksuh>you can also replace "main" with "main non-free contrib"
16:06<miksuh>if you want to activate nonfree and contrib sections in debian repository
16:06<themill>Woet: do you have libssh-2-dev installed?
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16:06<brunokrebs>cool, working
16:06<Woet>E: Couldn't find package libssh-2-dev
16:06<Woet>it cant find libssh2-dev either
16:06<brunokrebs>only those 3 lines on the repositories are enough?
16:07<themill>Woet: ermmm probably libssh2-1-dev. No idea what the difference is. They're in lenny and not in etch.
16:07<themill>!tell Woet about simple sid backport
16:07<streuner>brunokrebs: usually 2 are enough
16:07<themill>Woet: I imagine they're necessary...
16:07<brunokrebs>ok cool
16:07<themill>brunokrebs: do you want to pastebin your sources.list again so we can check it?
16:07<Woet>well, i have a PHP script, which gets fired up from apache (a website)
16:07<streuner>brunokrebs: one for "normal" mirror, and one for - deb-src ist for source packages
16:07<Woet>and it needs to login as a user, kill a process and start another process
16:08<brunokrebs>themill: here it is
16:08<Woet>only thing i knew to do it instant is the SSH2 extension
16:08<karlos> i'm a noob but i think that he must write something like "deb stable main contrib non-free"
16:08<brunokrebs>themill, there is one line more actually the one that streuner told me about: deb etch main
16:09<witte>brunokrebs: that would be ok
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16:09<karlos>In the /etc/apt/sources.list i mean...
16:09<brunokrebs>great thanks
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16:09<witte>brunokrebs: aptitude update;aptitude install amsn;aptitude upgrade
16:09<themill>brunokrebs: I was meaning after you had edited it :)
16:09<brunokrebs>yeah then I realized sorry
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16:10<brunokrebs>themill, if you still want to see the new source.list
16:11<themill>brunokrebs: looks lovely. You may want to add contrib non-free onto the end of each of those lines at some stage, but we'll cross that bridge later if you need non-free software.
16:11<leonidas_>hi, i am looking for a good howto on squid
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16:12<xemacs>leonidas_: google ;)
16:12<Harrier>is there by chance anyone with vnc4server experience who could maybe help me?
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16:12<themill>!fgi leonidas_ squid howto
16:12<dpkg>leonidas_: howto
16:13<brunokrebs>themill, well maybe this a good time, I installed debian on my computer, and it didn't install the drivers for my wireless device
16:13<leonidas_>done that and in fairness none that I found could really relly tell me how to optimize and configure options such as cache-peer-access
16:14<brunokrebs>themill, maybe it has only propertary drivers
16:14<shivraj>if you connect two wireless routers together, can more than one computer connect to the one acting as the access point ?
16:14<brunokrebs>could you help me to install it/
16:14<miksuh>brunokrebs: here is my sources.list
16:14<themill>brunokrebs: OK.So it would look like this:
16:15<miksuh>brunokrebs: you can use that as an example
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16:17<brunokrebs>thx ppl I put it already
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16:20<brunokrebs>there is any package in the repositories to install the driver to this device: Atheros Mini PCI/PCIe Wireless Lan (802.11 a/b/g, b/g)
16:20<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @
16:20<streuner>usually atheros should be supprted by the kernel itself
16:21<miksuh>brunokrebs: mkost likely madwifi
16:21<streuner>brunokrebs: show us what chipset you are using
16:21<brunokrebs>streuner: lol how do I do that?
16:21<streuner>brunokrebs: via "lspci -v", but only one line please
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16:23<brunokrebs>streuner: sorry I dont know which line so:
16:23<miksuh>brunokrebs: you can install madwifi this way:
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16:24<streuner>04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)
16:24<streuner> Subsystem: Askey Computer Corp. Unknown device 7106
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16:24<witte>!tell streuner about paste
16:24<streuner>brunokrebs: just try "update-pciids" now
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16:25<brunokrebs>ups, I am following what miksuh said
16:25<yitz>Are backports generally stable?
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16:25<xemacs>lol, they try to be
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16:26<yitz>I've got the ntfs-3g/fuse backport, and after my last experience with sid, I want a stable OS
16:27<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
16:27<streuner>brunokrebs: you dont have 2 NICs installed, dont you?
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16:28<brunokrebs>streuner, :( I dont know, I dont even know what is NIC
16:28<dpkg> is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
16:28<streuner>brunokrebs: laptop?
16:28<brunokrebs>streuner, yes
16:28<miksuh>brunokrebs: m-a is shortcut to module-assistant so "m-a a-i madwifi" is same as "module-assistant auto-install madwifi"
16:28<miksuh>both commands work
16:28<streuner>brunokrebs: what model?
16:28<brunokrebs>streuner, toshiba satellite a135 s4656
16:29<yitz>!backport caveat
16:29<dpkg>Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports.
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16:29<wyseur>anybody present
16:29<wyseur>I have a prob mounting my external firewire HD
16:30<wyseur>i'm fairly new to ubuntu
16:30<wyseur>and the doc's I find seem to say something different every time
16:30<streuner>brunokrebs: nevermind then, its not in the supported list of linux-laptops, you need to know what chipset you have
16:30<karlos>Hey, just for curiosity, what style and windows decoration are you using right now?? (This is a generalñ question)
16:31<wyseur>how can I see if my firewire card works?
16:31<streuner>brunokrebs: the suggestion of miksuh could work, but madwifi is different, specially if you have a new chipset...
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16:31<brunokrebs>streuner, yes I guess, because I installed the madwifi as miksuh but it still says that it is not configured, in the network settings
16:31<yitz>@karlos: clear looks
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16:32<themill>!tell karlos about polls
16:32<wyseur>cfdisk tells me I have a bad superblock but it still works on xp environment
16:32<streuner>brunokrebs: well, it tells you what it says, its not configured
16:32<yitz>!tell yitz about polls
16:32<streuner>brunokrebs: did you modprobe the driver without any error?
16:32<witte>!tell yitz about selftell
16:33<chealer>wyseur: this is a Debian support channel. if you're not using Debian, you're at the wrong place.
16:33<brunokrebs>streuner, I dont know what is modprobe, but it was working by default with ubuntu
16:33<wyseur>ow sorry
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16:33<karlos>ok, i get it themill, and just in case, i'm using bhagira
16:33<brunokrebs>then I removed ubuntu, and installed debian, and it didnt install the drivers by default
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16:34<yitz>debhelper is smart!
16:34<streuner>yeah! :-)
16:35<miksuh>brunokrebs: try command: # modprobe madwifi
16:35<brunokrebs>miksuh, modprobe madwifi
16:35<miksuh>or you could reboot, but that's not nesesary
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16:35<brunokrebs>miksuh, FATAL: Module madwifi not found.
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16:36<miksuh>brunokrebs: hm I don't remeber name of the module
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16:37<brunokrebs>modprobe ath_pci, returns nothing
16:37<miksuh>yeah that was it
16:37<miksuh>I use madwifi on my laptop
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16:37<brunokrebs>it just execute the command but it does not say anything
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16:38<witte>brunokrebs: that is good
16:38<miksuh>brunokrebs: well that most likely means that modprobe loaded the module successfully
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16:38<miksuh>because you did not get any error
16:38<dsr>how does one build a kernel with make-kpkg and havea separate object files directory ?
16:39<dsr>as in passing O=/build-directory to 'make bzImage'
16:39<brunokrebs>miksuh well ok, and what now? do I restart my laptop to see if it works?
16:39<witte>brunokrebs: that is not needed
16:39<streuner>ath_pci is wrong, its just in the lsmod list...
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16:39<Theezakje>hey all
16:39<Theezakje>does someone know how to setup a ssh connection ?
16:40<miksuh>brunokrebs: it might be easier just reboot
16:40<brunokrebs>witte, ok and what do I need to make it work?
16:40<brunokrebs>miksuh, I will try this
16:40<miksuh>module should be loaded on on boot
16:40<miksuh>on boot
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16:40<yitz>Bye bye! Removing gaim for Pidgin.
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16:40<Theezakje>* where to find info about setting up*
16:41<witte>Theezakje: apt-get install ssh
16:41<witte>Theezakje: that would be client and server
16:41<dpkg>rumour has it, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
16:42<Woet>i have a PHP script, which gets fired up from apache (a website)
16:42<Woet>and it needs to login as a user, kill a process and start another process
16:42<Woet>only thing i knew to do it instant is the SSH2 extension
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16:42<witte>Theezakje: and if you want to connect: ssh user@host
16:42<Woet>i cant get SSH2 extension installed though, someone knows how to install it, or an alternative?
16:42<weasel>dpkg always spreading misinformation.
16:42<weasel>Woet: "ssh2 extension"?
16:42<Theezakje>i want to connect from windows with putty (tru lan) with an debian server
16:42<Theezakje>error: connection refused
16:43<Supaplex>Theezakje: install the server
16:43<Woet>weasel, its an extension to connect to SSH and execute commands with PHP
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16:43<Supaplex>!tell Theezakje -about search
16:43*weasel shudders
16:43<Theezakje>Supaplex: thanks i will :)
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16:48<Kebianizao>margalida: qué tal¿?
16:48<Theezakje>Supaplex: wow, what an easy thing..
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16:49<brunokrebs>cool, thx streuner, themill and miksuh
16:50<brunokrebs>I am connected using the wireless device
16:50<streuner>!congratulate brunokrebs
16:50<dpkg>Yay brunokrebs, you did it!
16:50<brunokrebs>now I have to cook some dinner, thx again ppl see you later
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16:51<streuner>buh, that was luck, but why we shouldnt have luck today... ;-)
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16:52<dpkg>ssh is, like, Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
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16:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rsa is a public key encryption algorithm
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16:56<djweezy>anyone here know anything about apt bots?
16:56<dpkg>i heard gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or, but apt-get install gnupg
16:57<witte>djweezy: what do you mean with apt bots?
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16:57<streuner>djweezy: usually #debian-bots (FN), but just ask here :-)
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16:58<djweezy>witte well i have a supybot and someone else and i want to be able to issue it commands like apt-cache "djkdkd"
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16:58<djweezy>be back in a minute
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17:01<cris_>anybody here ?
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17:02<karlos>no cris_, there are nobody here, or maybe yes, oh!, there appera to be 341 persons here!, Amusing!
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17:03<cris_>yeah... but so still...
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17:04<karlos>yeah, nobody answer, i understand...
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17:04<witte>cris_: debian is a very good os, no problems today at all
17:05<cris_>i dont think so...
17:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:05<karlos>So, what you think cris??
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17:06<cris_>Im running debian 4.0r2 on asus P5GD1
17:07<cris_>today i have had it on SATA HDD to install
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17:09<karlos>You get troubles installing it?
17:10<cris_>it was somethig wrong with Bios... then i have default bios preferences recovered
17:10<cris_>and have succesfully installed on sda1
17:10<lontra>how can i tell apt-get autoremove that well i don't want to autoremove that stuff cause i'm still using them ;)
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17:11<cris_>but morning i have to install 2 SATA 500GB Segate Barracuda with fakeraid (mirroring)
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17:12<karlos>wow, :)
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17:13<chealer>lontra: # apt-get install foo
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17:13<cris_>and thats my question.... whats happend with HDD (mirror Raid) when 1 of them is damaged...
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17:14<cris_>how can I recovery second one
17:14<cris_>they are EXT3 ?
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17:14<lontra>chealer: i just think it sucks that b/c i removed kmilo cause it doesn't work here that when i run aptitude upgrade (e.g.) that it wants to remove nearly all of kde
17:15<karlos>cis_: Sincerely, i don't know too much about that because i still don't have the pleasure of have a damaged disk or something like. But there have o be a way. Maybe the omnipotent google have the answer ; )
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17:17<cris_>no... i mean... I have 2 HDD.... booth mirrored in fake raid. How can I recovery data when one of them is damaged ?
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17:19<jab>if one hdd is physically damaged, you should replace it. the raid will then resynchronize itself
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17:21<djweezy>so does anyone have experience with supybot?
17:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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17:24<djweezy>i am have a supybot up and running well and a friend and I are trying to make it use apt-cache to help people in another channel does anyone have experience with something like this?
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17:24<lollo>hello, what do you talk about in this channel ?
17:25<themill> /topic
17:25<themill>djweezy: our dpkg bot here has many of these features already -- it's a modified infobot (perl not python).
17:25<ranix>VIP quality lollo
17:25<ranix>this is secret area of VIP
17:25<karlos>about debian, problems with debian, and others related to debian
17:25<themill>karlos: there are no problems with debian. We talk about how good debian is!
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17:26<cris_>how can i restore data without replacing HDD
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17:26<lollo>oh ok, so i can't join the channel 'cause i'm not a VIP ? :D
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17:26<themill>djweezy: e.g. /msg dpkg info supybot etch
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17:26<ranix>anyone can be VIP. You must respect the meter. Then you will be VIP
17:26<themill>djweezy: dpkg also has an interface to the debian bts.
17:27<ranix>It is to talk as if English is not your language. This is primary
17:27<amphi>lollo: the channel name is a hint
17:27<ranix>Then, VIP will follow
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17:27<ranix>Shakespere is a hack
17:28<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q
17:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:29<ranix>the best way to get rid of a troll is to overawe him with your own massive trolling prowess
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17:31<karlos>themill: I was meaning, problems that people have (like installing drivers) not that debian was bad (please, i'm using debian too!) ; )
17:31<cris_>how can i restore data without replacing HDD, also without synchronize
17:31<cris_>fake raid
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17:31<themill>karlos: but we never have problems like that either... it's just 332 of us sitting about patting each other on the back :)
17:32<blackgoth>hey, does anyone have a bash script that can copy a source 20 times and then stop?
17:32<cris_>and the second question, how can I inquire that first or second HDD is damaged ?
17:33<blackgoth>actually, it needs to copy a directory 20x with everytime a foldername1 and up
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17:33<purple>hi all
17:33<cris_>have i build fake raid with mdadm (Etch 4.0r2)
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17:34<themill>blackgoth: for i in $(seq 1 20); do cp -r dirsource dirdest$i; done
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17:35<karlos>themill: Wow, you're i think about it you're completely right, there are about 322 of us sitting there talking and answering question!
17:35<purple>i just tried to login to freshly installed gnome bot gdm vomits some error at me about my seesions lasted less than 10 seconds and Xsession-error file says "mkdtemp: private socket dir: permission denied
17:35<purple>what to do :| ?
17:36<themill>karlos: :)
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17:36<karlos>; )
17:37<cris_>jab............ it was that what i have looking for
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17:37<jab_>cris_: np ;)
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17:38<jab_>purple: check if you own your home directory
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17:38<purple>jab, ofcourse i do
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17:38<jab_>in doubt, chown <YourUser> -R /home/X
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17:39<Wesleeey>netstat / lsof -i shows a certain IP to my ftp server with (CLOSE_WAIT) - this has been there for ages, but theres no active connection ever, what does this mean?
17:39<Wesleeey>also when I run tcpdump I dont see any packets from that host
17:39<Wesleeey>unless im doing it wrong
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17:41<purple>jab_: got it, google said "chmod a+w /tmp" will fix it and it does
17:41<jab_>purple: excellent ^^
17:41<purple>yah, gone to play with gnome
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17:42<karlos>"When god fails, google gets right" from a blog....
17:43<jab_>Wesleeey: it's likely the failure of your app, thats not closing the socket. i'd guess, the timeout-procedure fails
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17:44<Wesleeey>jab_; I restarted the app (proftpd) and it's still there
17:44<Wesleeey>the IP returns some not good things on google
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17:44<jab_>Wesleeey: strange...closing the app should close the socket
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17:47<Wesleeey>mm even when I quit proftpd.interesting
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17:48<cris_>what do you think about Raid 1 (mirroring) performance on SATA HDD ?
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17:49<cris_>20Mb/s or moore
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17:50<Wesleeey>root 6879 0.0 0.4 6272 2392 ? S Jan25 0:00 proftpd: IP:47588: PASS (hidden)
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17:52<cris_>20Mb/s or moore or less
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17:53<Schreck>Hi... :)
17:53<Schreck>I would like to set a var like this in a script "APACHEFILS=`find $APACHEDATA -mtime -1 -type f >> $TMPFILELIST | wc -l`" in order to put the list of the files to be backuped, and to have the var containing the number of matching files
17:53<Schreck>Is this possible in a one liner ?
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17:54<dkr>Schreck: you could use tee instead of redirecting the output
17:54<dkr>tee lets you send output to file but still send it along output to next command in pipe
17:55<Schreck>:o Okay, thanks a lot
17:55<Schreck>I'm quite beginning ! :)
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17:57<ranix>Schreck: FOO=`ls -l | wc -l`
17:57<ranix>Schreck: echo $FOO
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17:57<ranix>Schreck: you're looking for grave accent
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17:58<Schreck>ranix: What I'd like to do, is listing the modified files during the last day... Put them il a file, count the number of files, and then run a tar -T
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17:59<dkr>it would be simpler and more maintainable to do the count after creating the file
17:59<ranix>I would just put a file in /tmp
17:59<ranix>and use it for the script
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18:00<ranix>Schreck: you sure you're not just looking for incremental dump
18:00<ranix>Schreck: as per the backup utility dump
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18:00<Schreck>Well... I'd like to make an exploitable file for Linux and Windows
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18:01<karlos>What's an expotaible file??
18:02<Schreck>zip file
18:02<Schreck>:) lol
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18:03<ranix>yeah I don't think gnu restore works under windows
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18:03<Schreck>I'm emulating a debian on a virtual machine... :) Just to practice
18:04<karlos>Ok, lol
18:04<karlos>yeah? So, you're using windows?
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18:06<Schreck>Yes... Sorry... lol But I'd like to give up Win... :) But before, I'd like to use better the debian system
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18:07<karlos>Yeah, i understand it.... So, you use virtualbox?
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18:09<ranix>I use windows and debian
18:10<ranix>my laptop performs very well in windows due to a strange fluke
18:10<ranix>and the ati video card is some legendary radeon that just doesn't go down
18:10<ranix>but there are no drivers for X
18:11<ranix>I also use windows xp to play video games on my desktop
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18:11<Schreck>lol Okay... :)
18:12<ranix>I have a home fileserver, two testing machines, an email server, a file/sql server, and a TS7250 breadboard running Debian at work, though
18:12<karlos>ranix: Talking of video games, do you know some good video game for debian?
18:12<Schreck>ranix: Do you know a good X like Exceed but free ?
18:12<ranix>I don't know of video games for linux. I don't really pay for software frequently if you know what I mean
18:13<karlos>yeah, i know what you mean... lol
18:13<jab_>ranix: heh, i bet you are not married. you could never justify so many boxes to her ... :-))))
18:13<ranix>jab_: I do live with the girlfriend. I only have the two computers and a laptop at home
18:13<ranix>the others are at work
18:14<ranix>she has a laptop and desktop celeron as well
18:14<ranix>neither of which are linux but I'm not zealotous enough to go there
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18:17<jab_>ranix: lucky one! i have to justify my box running all night to her! in the meantime, i just say: gentoo, and she understands ;)
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18:19<ranix>jab_: I turn off the vaccum cleaner windows machine at night so only the quiet little celeron is here with its hard disks on power saving mode
18:19<jab_>the other way round, i don't ask her why new shoes make happy
18:19<witte>Schreck: Xwin32
18:19<ranix>new shoes indeed
18:19<Schreck>witte: Thanks, I'll have a look ! :)
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18:19<ranix>Schreck: also Cygwin/X
18:20<Schreck>ranix: Thanks too. I'll check these ones ! :)
18:20<ranix>Schreck: I don't like cygwin much but it works, see if Xwin32 is better first
18:20<Schreck>ranix: Okay, thanks for the advice ! ;)
18:20<witte>Schreck: in fact it is X-win32 (makes googling easier), and cygwin is more like a *nix system under windows, if you only need the X-shell, go for X-win32
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18:22<Schreck>X-Win32 isn't free... Am I wrong ?
18:22<witte>Schreck: it isn't?
18:22<Schreck>I'm on a page that seems to tell it's not.. o_O
18:23<Schreck>I'll try other pages ! :)
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18:23<karlos>What's X-win32
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18:23<witte>karlos: it is an X shell for windows
18:24<kop>X-win32 is a suite of free software put together at a University in Indiana (U of Indiana?) that has X, for Micrsoft Windows.
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18:24<karlos>X like the X shell of linux?
18:24<kop>But last time I looked it had not been updated in a long time.
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18:25<kop>karlos : Yes, except inside a window in MS windows.
18:25<Schreck>I was on,39021313,39071265s,00.htm
18:25<kop>You can duplicate the funcationality of Xwin32 with a live Linux cd. But you have to know how to use ssh in a command window.
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18:26<karlos>Wow, that's weird...
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18:28<chilly_t>does anyone know how to see the next page of mail messages listed by 'h' in the mail program? or do you have to read so many before the rest are visible?
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18:33<kop>witte: I'm confusing Xwin32 with XliveCD,, although for all I know the latter is based on the former.
18:33<witte>kop: the latter is something entirely new for my, i will check it out ;-)
18:34<witte>kop: not very new it seems (2004)
18:35<karlos>So, Xlivecd exist too... what's it??
18:35<Schreck>Xming seems to work...
18:35<Schreck>This one might remember you ? ):
18:35<kop>karlos : They do the same thing, only 1 is free software and the other is who knows?
18:36<karlos>lol, i understand.
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18:36<kop>karlos : Also the xlivecd project has not been updated in a long time, which means it's less secure.
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18:39<chilly_t>i just ran the debian one-liner from dpkg and the module's in /lib/<stuff>/nvidia , i chose nvidia for a display driver and made sure dri was disabled with glx enabled, but it's not working, any ideas?
18:39<themill>!doesn't work
18:39<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
18:39<chilly_t>it says no screen devices found and failed to load nvidia kernel module
18:40<Xenguy>chilly_t: check the how-to on the debian wiki
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18:40<Xenguy>chilly_t: if you're trying to make nvidia drivers work - it's never failed me (I run stable/etch)
18:40<karlos>You do all like god says really chilly_t??
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18:42<ranix>chilly_t: google for "nvidia drivers debian way" and follow the howto
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18:42<tyip>hi all, does anyone know how I can remove a user from openvpn?
18:42<karlos>Xenguy: Me too, i run stable/etch too. chilly_t: I visited this page and foollowed the steps as they say and all went good for me
18:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
18:42<tyip>So they cannot access it anymore?
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18:42<chilly_t>i got it, ty, i don't remember having troubles with the one-liner before
18:42<ranix>karlos gave you the same link as you would get my way, chilly_t
18:42<hell_>how can i start gnome apps maximized? they switch back to windowed every time
18:43<witte>chilly_t: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more specific errors, alternatively, paste them in a pastebin
18:43<Xenguy>hell_: dunno, but alt-F10 works quickly in a pinch :-)
18:43<witte>chilly_t: no screens found usually points to a broken xorg.conf
18:44<tyip>Cajn anyone help
18:44<hell_>hm thanks. but i need an better solution Xenguy
18:45<hell_>i find some questions about this problem but no answers :>
18:45<Xenguy>hell_: you mean you need a solution instead of a workaround :-)
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18:46<ranix>tyip: google search for openvpn revoking access
18:46<Schreck>Xming works well ! :)
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18:48<karlos>_"When god fails, google gets right"_
18:48<ranix>what is this god
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18:48<ranix>no trolling in #debian
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18:50<chilly_t>should i delete the driver apt-get put in the /lib/modules/ before running this module assistant?
18:50<karlos>?Just a jokje, i see that in a blog and laught with it, no other thing.
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18:53<chealer>chilly_t: deleting a file owned by dpkg comprises system integrity
18:55<chealer>chilly_t: s/comprises/compromises/
18:55<chilly_t>i think i got it, later
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18:56<eldowan>is there a way to use gimp at the command line to, say convert an image to a different format? I've looked at imagemagick, but when it converts jpg to png the resulting pngs are VERY large. however gimp gives nice compact images.
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18:57<karlos>How can i install virtualbox in my Debian Etch, i have the sources.list edited for look in the main-contrib-and-non-free debian repositorie but it's not there...
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19:02<chealer>karlos: find packages, and install them (or compile and install them if they're source packages)
19:03<chealer>karlos: ...?
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19:05<karlos>emm, how i find them if they aren't there??
19:05<sco50000>karlos: apt-cache search virtualbox shows nothing?
19:05<sco50000>the main package is called virtualbox-ose
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19:06<karlos>emm, it passes to another line and that's all....
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19:07<karlos>weird, isn't it? But remember i'm runing stable (etc) with the stable repositoires only...
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19:13<karlos>And what about installing compiz?
19:14<karlos>How can i do it?
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19:14<dpkg>rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
19:14<craigevil>virtualbox has a debian repo you can add to your sources.list
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19:20<chealer>karlos: you could start by looking in etch-backports
19:20<rhayedhonne>In a router it has 4 ports... please advise.. it is okay to connect the web server in the same port with the workstations in a LAN?
19:20<karlos>But, are the backports safe??
19:21<themill>karlos: mostly
19:21<rhayedhonne>ISP>ADSL>router (has 4 ports)>switch>workstations...
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19:22<sunfire>Hi, I have quite a newbie question so sorry in advance: I'm wanting to install the latest version of asterisk on a server, the server is running etch as it obviously needs to be stable. I've tried looking for backports but can't seem to find any suitable ones, I wanted to build a debian package from source but this seems a bit daunting. I was wondering if its firstly possible to somehow copy the existing package format of the
19:22<sunfire> asterisk packages and compile them with the new version? and secondly I'm guessing its quite dangerous to just install an unstable package onto a stable system? - this would obviously be the quickest way :)
19:23<rhayedhonne>do you recommend: ISP>ASDL>router>port2 webserver; port1>switch> workstations... PLEASE TELL ME THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES
19:23<weasel>rhayedhonne: DO NOT SHOUT
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19:24<rhayedhonne>sorry..but please tell me what would be the best set-up
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19:25<lupine>rhayedhonne: the best solution would be a web server that /isn't/ hosted on ADSL
19:25<lupine>also, your question could be considered off-topic
19:26<weasel>and thirdly it probably just doesn't matter.
19:26<weasel>since those 4 ports on your "router" are probably just all part of a switch anyway.
19:27<lupine>well, depends if s/he's using VLANs or not
19:27<lupine>but usually an internal switch, yeah
19:28<weasel>lupine: vlans. sure. that's why he asks that way in here.
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19:29<rhayedhonne>so its alright? the same thing... no need to change set-up?
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19:29<lupine>I never managed to get VLANs working myself, and I'm not exactly 'lol, n00b'
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19:37<karlos>Hi, i finally found compiz, it is in the debian stable repositoires, i never tought it, i thinked it was to experimental!
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19:39<amphi>karlos: it's an old version, I think
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19:39<karlos>Yeah, but it should be stable and i opnly want it for the like-mac-windows-effect
19:40<amphi>karlos: you'd be better off with IMHO
19:40<amphi>what is the 'like-mac-windows-effect'?
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19:42<karlos>Well, i think it should work, if ypou have tried a mac, you should have seen that the windows go to the taskbar with a good curve effect
19:43<lupine>what, genie?
19:43<lupine>the supposedly patented one?
19:44<karlos>I don't know what's the name of the plugin but i remember that i have seen it before...
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19:46<karlos>ermm, compiz give me an error, it says "no composite extension"
19:46<karlos>How can i fix it?
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19:47<lupine>enable the composite extension
19:48<lupine>assuming your graphics driver actually supports it
19:48<lupine>(and TFP at the same time)
19:48<karlos>yeah, i thinked it too but i don't see how...
19:49<amphi>karlos: you can find useful info at
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20:01<gene2>if i want to load some modules at boot on lenny, do I just add the name of the module to /etc/modules ?
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20:02<eldowan>gene2: it seems so
20:02<eldowan>!fglrx one liner
20:02<dpkg>fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
20:02<gene2>doesn't work
20:02<eldowan>echo fglrx >> /etc/modules
20:02<eldowan>where fglrx is the module name
20:03<ranix>fglrx is pretty bad if I remember right
20:03<eldowan>gene2: you might try modprobe <module>; echo <modlue> >> /etc/modules
20:03<gene2>I have a module called "dvb_usb_gp8psk" if I do modprobe dvb_usb_gp8psk it loads but i just added dvb_usb_gp8psk to /etc/modules and it doesn't load at boot
20:03<eldowan>ranix: depends. better than it used to be
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20:04<ranix>assuming f stands for forceware and is for ATI cards
20:04<eldowan>ranix: yes
20:04<ranix>eldowan: yep that's the one I remember not working
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20:04<eldowan>gene2: hmm. I'd think that would work.
20:04<ranix>as of eight weeks ago fglrx was a waste of time
20:05<gene2>eldowan: deffinatly does not, just rebooted the box twice
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20:05<eldowan>gene2: worst case you could add it to the startup routine.
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20:05<gene2>eldowan: that is the way I had it on my etch distro, now that I upgraded I want to clean up my setup
20:05<gene2>this is a fresh install and i want a fresh start
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20:06<eldowan>gene2: if you don't get a good answer to why this is the case, you might try asking in #debian over on freenode. it seems more active.
20:06<eldowan>take it easy, hope you get it fixed
20:06<ranix>oh yeah, speaking of bad startup hacks. Is there a better way to manage wireless networks than just having iwconfig and ifconfig scripts for each network?
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20:06<lupine>ranix: just put them in /etc/network/interfaces
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20:07<lupine>iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n wireless-essid essid \n wireless-ap MAC \n wireless-key <key>
20:07<themill>ranix: man 7 wireless and man 5 wireless for the syntax
20:07<themill>erm man 5 interfaces
20:07*themill needs sleep
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20:08<themill>night all!
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20:09<ranix>lupine: What about for connecting to more than one? I have like four different ones I might be at at any given location
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20:10<karlos>Sorry, compiz is giving my problems again, the composite problem is now solved, but every time i run compiz --replace, the session crashes and i have to restart the X (ctrl-Alt-Backspace), is there any way to fix this??
20:11<amphi>karlos: you start compiz from ~/.xsession?
20:11<lupine>ranix: post-up iwlist wlan0 scan, and pipe to iwconfig ??
20:11<amphi>karlos: I would do 'xinit' to start an xserver and a term, and then try running compiz, and see what error you get
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20:12<karlos>xinit, ok, but, from where i run it??
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20:12<amphi>from the console; make sure no other x session is running
20:13<karlos>ok, from a normal konsole you mean? Only xinit and that's all?
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20:14<amphi>what window manager are you running currently?
20:14<karlos>You mean, only ALT-F2, then, konsole and then xinit??
20:15<witte>karlos: alt-F2 == console, konsole is some kde stuff
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20:16<istoc>Hi, could someone help me with a rtorrent start script? It's complaining it doesn't have rights to use the session folder. (Script: Thanks.
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20:16<witte>karlos: alt-F2, /etc/init.d/{k,g,x}dm stop;xinit
20:16<karlos>so, it will work that way? I don't have to logout and then do it from console mode?
20:16<amphi>karlos: you need to able to see any messages from compiz; if your x session is hanging on kwin, and compiz replaces it and then terminates/crashes, you will lose your x session
20:16<karlos>ok, so , what i do??
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20:19<karlos>Soo, should i start in Konsole mode??
20:20<witte>karlos: konsole is not the same as console
20:21<karlos>well, console??
20:21<karlos>I'll do it now
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20:25<Schreck>With ssh-agent it's possible to manage keypairs...
20:26<Schreck>What about passwords ?
20:26<Schreck>If I connect on a SSH server that requires key / password ? o_O
20:26<gene2>can someone help me out with udev?
20:27<gene2>i used udev before quite a few times but I came to a minor problem
20:28<karlos>I can't start in Failsafe Console, it says there isn't Xterm or something like that, what should i try??
20:28<gene2>i have 4 dvb cards in my PC, each one goes to /dev/dvb/adapterX/ where X is the number of the adapter, however inside adapterX/ demux0 dvr0 frontend0 and net0
20:29<witte>karlos: apt-get install xterm maybe?
20:29<gene2>doing udevinfo on /dev/dvb/adapterX does nothing, however doing it against any of demux0 dvr0 frontend0 and net0 will produce unique info, however when I create a rule it only creates 1 symlink for only 1 of the 4 things that are inside adapterX, how can I create a rule to create a symlink to the /dev/dvb/adapterX instead of whatever is inside adapterX
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20:33<karlos>witte: I'll try but i think i soolved the problem, reading the compiz description, i found that it seems to be only for gnome and not for kde, i'll try in gnome.
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20:35<dutche>does anybody here has managed to install Oracle10g on Debian for amd64?
20:36<Schreck>Night all ! :)
20:39<istoc>Hi, could someone help me with a rtorrent start script? It's complaining it doesn't have rights to use the session folder. (Script: Thanks.
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20:47<lucas_amorim>hello, how can i play .mov streams (like this one: on debian?
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20:48<lucas_amorim>I am using debian lenny
20:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 324] by debhelper
20:49<witte>lucas_amorim: mplayer plugin starts that for me
20:49<witte>lucas_amorim: possibly you need w32codecs from
20:50<lucas_amorim>witte: I have alredy installed it
20:50<witte>lucas_amorim: oh, wait
20:50<witte>lucas_amorim: it started, but then it stopped, it did not really play it
20:50<lucas_amorim>wiite: how do you start? just mplayer
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20:51<Yi>account list
20:51<witte>lucas_amorim: it is not really a mov file, it has a rtsp url inbedded (if you download it and cat it, you can see that
20:51<lucas_amorim>wiite: I read about Quicktime 4 linux.. but couldn't find debs
20:52<Yi>identify zhaoyi
20:52<lucas_amorim>oh.. that is interesting
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20:53<karlos>Hi again, the tactic of run compiz in Gnome didn't work, so, i'll make an apt-get install xterm and see what happens after run xinit.
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20:54<lucas_amorim>witte: I was able to play rtsp:// in totem. but only audio
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20:57<lucas_amorim>witte: what do you suggest?
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20:58<witte>lucas_amorim: mplayer does not play that link for me (not even sound) so i have no clue
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20:58<ranix>what the ass is a .sdp file
20:58<lucas_amorim>witte: isn't totem based on mplayer?
20:59<witte>lucas_amorim: don't really know, could be
20:59<lucas_amorim>witte: vlc also does not play it
20:59<ranix>lucas_amorim: the rule generally is that if VLC doesn't at least partially render it, the file is broken
20:59<lucas_amorim>witte: i think I will try to build QuickTime4Linux
20:59<ranix>quicktime sucks
20:59<witte>I am not sure this is a quicktime thing, (sdp extension?)
21:00<ranix>google thinks it's a broadcast session description protocol file
21:00<ranix>I think it's probably quicktime
21:00<lucas_amorim>ranix: well I have tested a lot of streams for WinMediaPlayer that did not run in VLC but run in totem or mplayer
21:01<ranix>the rule of thumb is that if it's quicktime it's not worth watching
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21:01<ranix>or if it doesn't play in mplayer or vlc, it's not worth watching
21:01<ranix>if you want a fun half hour, make mplayer work with the kernel framebuffer on the command line
21:02<ranix>it's doubleplusgood
21:02<lucas_amorim>ranix: what do you mean? text video?
21:02<ranix>lucas_amorim: no, but it can do that too
21:02<lucas_amorim>that is fun, but not usefull
21:02<lucas_amorim>then what do you mean?
21:03<ranix>lucas_amorim: the kernel framebuffer is fun and useful
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21:03<lucas_amorim>is it faster or something?
21:03<ranix>lucas_amorim: I use it to turn my monitor quite sideways, in portrait mode
21:03<ranix>without worrying about lame X or video drivers
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21:04<lucas_amorim>why would you want to turn it in portrait mode?
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21:05<karlos>Nothing, i tried to modify the X11 configuration file (xorg.conf) but it didn't help me, it's the same. Tried to run compiz --replace in gnome and nothing, in kde compiz crashes the session. I'm installing xterm to see if it works...
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21:06<ranix>lucas_amorim: for chatting in irc, aim, and viewing lots of terminal scrollback
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21:06<ranix>lucas_amorim: for reading comic books in their native aspect ratio
21:07<ranix>it's just generally great
21:07<lucas_amorim>then what is the command for that?
21:07<lucas_amorim>i mean, how do you do this?
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21:09<ranix>lucas_amorim: the vga kernel option
21:10<ranix>lucas_amorim: if you get hits in hwinfo --framebuffer
21:10<lucas_amorim>ok, thanks
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21:11<karlos>Nothing, compiz made it, it crashed failsafe too...
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21:12<karlos>I think i'll better uninstall it and try to install compiz-fusion
21:12<ranix>have fun with that
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21:12<ranix>I was done with that retard project when I saw the fish
21:13<karlos>Is there any easey way to install compiz-fusion
21:13-!-pierre is now known as Guest42
21:13<karlos>Or is there something like compiz but easier?
21:13<Guest42>What is your graphic adapter chipset?
21:15<karlos>Ermm, mine? Nvidia XFX 5200 with 256 mb, and yeah, i have already installed (correctly) the drivers by the debian way and all of that (including the xorg.conf configuration)
21:16<vin`>karlos: that looks good enough. :)
21:16<Guest42>ok then i guess the link vin sent you should help
21:16<Guest42>I have an ATI chipset and I can't make compiz to work properly
21:16<Guest42>actually, i can't even enable it
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21:17<vin`>used to work fine here on an intel chipset, 3945, actually I even got it to work a while back on my radeon
21:17<karlos>Guest42: ?? I have the same problem friend, can't do nothing with compiz, even with failsafe or other sessions....
21:18<vin`>just haven't tried it in a while
21:18<Guest42>yeah, and even bypassing it with xgl
21:18<Guest42>just impossible
21:18<vin`>use aiglx
21:19<Guest42>i have a Mobility radeon 9200
21:19<karlos>When i enable it, all crashes... : (, how can i use AIGLX??
21:19<vin`>ah, radeons still need xgl?
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21:19<Guest42>yeah i think so
21:19<vin`>karlos: googled?
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21:20<Guest42>i followed several procedures on ubuntu forums
21:20<Guest42>but no chances so far
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21:22<karlos>vin : ermm, about AIGLX? Not yet, you have just mentioned it, but i'll try..
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21:25<karlos>Ermm, and that of using AIGLX is safe??
21:25<Guest42>well i'd say do a back up first :)
21:26<Guest42>you may want to do it tomorrow after two coffees
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21:27<karlos>Emm, in that page says that i have to use some unstable/testing repositoires, it scares me a bit,"unstable", i know what it means.... Is it safe or should i forget about compiz now?
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21:28<Guest42>honestly i think you get sick n tired of all the effects by the end
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21:31<Guest42>but if you like eye candies, well give it a try
21:31<karlos>Yeah, i'm trying to install it with a repositoire i have just finded and if it still don't work, i'll uninstall it and forget it.. : )
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21:32<chealer>karlos: unstable is not safe. compiz is just if you want some eye-candy before other people. If you don't want trouble, better wait until the functionality is integrated in standard window managers.
21:34<Guest42>although ubuntu gutsy gib has it "embedded" already
21:34<karlos>I think is better wait. I made changes in Xorg.conf, should i erase the changes?
21:34<Guest42>if you could see what you are typing :d
21:34<Guest42>i guess it's a good sign
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21:35<karlos>then, i leave the changes like they are and that's all?
21:35<Tarcas>karlos, testing is not so bad for a desktop. You probably do want to stay away from unstable though
21:36<xpl>guys, I have a problem
21:36<xpl>and I dont know if this is the right place
21:36<Guest42>hi xpl
21:36<xpl>I am using
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21:37<xpl>hp compag nx6110
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21:37<xpl>and it was delivered with win xp
21:37<xpl>and now i want to install linux
21:37<Guest42>good idea :)
21:37<xpl>but it wont boot from cd
21:38<Guest42>which release are you using?
21:38<Tarcas>Check the Bios, make sure it's set to boot the optical drive over the HDD
21:38<xpl>well i wanted gentoo
21:38<xpl>i did
21:38<xpl>but it still ignores
21:38<xpl>that setting
21:38<xpl>it can boot from usb flash
21:39<xpl>but it wont from cd
21:39<Guest42>well i guess you maybe didnt burnt your cd well
21:39<Guest42>you downloaded the ISO from the web?
21:39<xpl>no i tried several cds
21:39<Tarcas>What ISO did you use? i386?
21:39<Guest42>you may want to verify the MD5 sums
21:39<xpl>i even tried
21:39<xpl>win xp
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21:39<xpl>its original
21:39<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
21:39<dutche>I messed up my /etc/profile and it's unmodified after the installation...which debian package can I get the profile again??
21:39<Guest42>before burning your cd
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21:40<xpl>well its not the cd i have problem with
21:41<Guest42>so your bios maybe
21:41<Tarcas>Are you able to boot other CDs from the same drive?
21:41<Guest42>can you access the boot menu?
21:41<xpl>and i can read cd from win xp
21:41<Tarcas>Can you read the CDs under XP?
21:42<karlos>So, should i erase the changes i made to the xorg file or leave it like it is nnow?
21:42<chealer>karlos: which changes did you do?
21:42<Guest42>karlos: if you remember how it was before
21:42<xpl>so what should i do
21:43<Guest42>xpl: what does happen when you access the boot menu
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21:43<Guest42>and have "any" bootable cd
21:43<Tarcas>Look through the Bios, see if there's another option you missed... perhaps in addition to boot order there's something like "allow boot from CD" or something.
21:43<Tarcas>Also, you did burn the image to disc and not the .iso file, right?
21:43<xpl>nothing. i access the boot menu
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21:43<Guest42>you choose CD rom and then nothing?
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21:44<karlos>chealer: Aded composite section, aded some device options, and screen option too.
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21:44<karlos>Guest42: Yeah, i made a backup of it ; )
21:44<Guest42>karlos: then easy ;) copy paste it
21:44<xpl>i choose device boot order
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21:44<xpl>and when i restart
21:44<xpl>-- nothing
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21:45<chealer>karlos: or rather, send us the diff
21:45<Guest42>as Tarcas just said, you may have missed some options in the bios
21:45<Tarcas>What happens if you pull the HDD and then try to boot?
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21:45<xpl>i looked through the bios several times
21:45<xpl>there arent many options in it
21:46<Guest42>have you try to install vista?
21:46<Guest42>ok then
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21:46<xpl>but it can only work from xp and thats because he copies
21:46<Tarcas>How old is this computer?
21:47<xpl>installation files to the hard disk and changes the boot.ini
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21:47<Guest42>i once read some problems about boot sequence
21:47<xpl>well like i sad it hp compaq nx6110
21:47<Guest42>after having installed vista
21:47<xpl>two, maybe three years I guess
21:47<Guest42>as if vista takes over the boot sequence
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21:49<Tarcas>3 years would definitely be new enough to boot from CDs. It's got to be something in BIOS. You might also look for a prompt on startup. Dells have a temporary boot menu if you hit F2 that lets you do a one-time boot from CD or any other device. (The next time it goes back to your normal order)
21:49<xpl>actually its DVD+RW/
21:49<Guest42>yeah indeed, i have the nx7000 and it's F2
21:49<karlos>All right friends, i changed again my corg.conf to it initial state (lol) and uninstalled compiz, i quit the unnoficcial repositoire too and that's all, back to my old system!
21:50<xpl>ok i will try that now
21:51<shevek>hello. i'm having trouble with the wifi on a machine i just rebuilt. i can get wpasupplicant to associate with my router, but i can't get a dhcp response
21:52<xpl>no, doesnt work, it only brings up Select Boot Device menu
21:52<Guest42>what don't you try to flash your bios
21:52<Guest42>maybe there is a newer version
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21:52<xpl>ok I ll try that
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21:54<Tarcas>xpl, that's EXACTLY what you want.
21:54<Tarcas>Select your CD-ROM as your boot device.
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21:54<xpl>but it doesnt work
21:55<karlos>xpl Just for curiosity, what linux distro will you install??
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21:55<xpl>it just ignores the cd i have put in
21:55<Guest42>what program did you use to burn the iso?
21:55<Tarcas>in XP, what does it show on the CD?
21:55<xpl>it doesnt metter. i have gentoo and debian installs here
21:56<xpl>you see, i am writing you this from my desktop computer
21:56<xpl>and here i have debian
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21:56<xpl>and i installed debian from an installation dvd
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21:57<karlos>So, you can't boot from cd/dvd?
21:57<xpl>normally it booted from it like any other normal computer would do
21:57<xpl>but when I put the same dvd in the laptop
21:57<xpl>i dont get the same result
21:57<karlos>have you tried configuring the BIOS?
21:57<xpl>yes my laptop does have a dvd rom
21:57<Guest42>yeah it did apparently
21:57<Guest42>he :s
21:58<karlos>Its the Boot, Device boot priority and then put the dvd room...
21:58<xpl>yes i ve tried configuring the bios
21:58<Guest42>well i guess you have no other choice than upgrading your bios
21:58<xpl>ok give me some time :P
21:59<xpl>Guest42, do you know the address from where I can download the bios update for xp
21:59<Guest42>you'll find all the updates for your laptop
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22:00<karlos>: S
22:01<hever>Hej, I've got a simple Problem with sudo. It asks the user which types in "sudo mkdir" for a password. Therfore I added NOPASSWD: But it still asks for the password. Is something else todo ?
22:01<shevek>hello. i'm having trouble with the wifi on a machine i just rebuilt. i can get wpasupplicant to associate with my router, but i can't get a dhcp response. similar setup on my laptop works, but the tower's encryption doesn't seem to work. is there some package i might be missing?
22:02<hever>example: www-data localhost = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/useradd
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22:02<karlos>What's the difference between AGP 4x and AGP 8x? (in graphic card therms)
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22:02<amphi>karlos: speed
22:03<karlos>Ok, and betwen AGP 8x and PCI Exoress what's better?
22:03<amphi>pcie, I would hope
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22:07<Tarcas>PCIe, definitely.
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22:09<karlos>Ok, thanks, and changing the theme , do anybodyn know of some good game for debian (3d if posible)?
22:09<xpl>guys i flashed my bios and it is still the same
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22:10<jello>karlos: torus-trooper
22:12<Guest42>xpl: you sure your cd rom drive is working?
22:12<Guest42>can you hear the cd spinnin?
22:12<xpl>it is working when i am in xp
22:12<xpl>well when it is working i can
22:13<xpl>obviously when i want to boot it is not spinnin
22:14<Guest42>well, maybe you can try the ubuntu live cd, starting from windows
22:14<Guest42>i'm not sure windows can access the boot sequence that deep
22:14<Guest42>it's weird
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22:15<karlos>But, you can configure you bios boot device priority or not?
22:16<karlos>But, i mean, when he starts the machine, if he press F2, the BIOS menu will appear, there, he select the Boot device priority and all's done, you don't have to use windows for change it...
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22:16<xpl>yes i configured that
22:16<Guest42>apparently that's what he did already karlos
22:16<xpl>but it just ignores it
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22:18<karlos>: S
22:18<Guest42>but have a look on google about those people who get problem when installed vista once
22:18<Guest42>and try to boot a cd
22:18<xpl>what if I destroy the current xp installation
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22:18<Guest42>what are you losing anyway
22:19<xpl>no really
22:19<Guest42>format your hd
22:19<xpl>yes thats what i thought
22:19<karlos>That's weird : S, can you use a cd rom?
22:19<Guest42>i mean, at least kill any fat or ntfs partition
22:19<karlos>Yeah, Long live to Linux / Debian / Debian / And to Debian too!
22:20<Guest42>maybe you have a hidden partition
22:20<Guest42>with reinstalling tools in it
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22:21<Guest42>well, good luck
22:21<Guest42>i'm leaving now
22:21<xpl>ok thanx
22:21<Guest42>3 hours before getting up
22:21<xpl>where are you from?
22:21<amphi>who can these be?
22:22<Guest42>yeah !
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22:22<Guest42>i know it's little
22:22<Guest42>so well done ;)
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22:22*amphi sighs
22:22<Guest42>unless you like beers
22:22<xpl>well we are it the same time zone Guest42
22:22<xpl>no tv did it
22:22<xpl>i mean
22:22<xpl>you are the center of everything arent you?
22:23<xpl>I mean en, un, nato...
22:23<Guest42>it depends where you are situated on the globe i guess ;)
22:23<xpl>serbia ...?
22:23<Guest42>serbia, indeed
22:24<Guest42>Nato and kfor so...
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22:24<xpl>i hear about you all the time
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22:25<Guest42>as i said, very little country and yet so complicated
22:25<xpl>yeah :P
22:26<xpl>and holland or the netherlands also
22:26<Guest42>yeah, our north neighbors;)
22:26<DaCapn>where are you from xpl?
22:27<xpl>why? you?
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22:27<DaCapn>USA, but please don't hold that against me
22:27<shevek>hello. i'm having trouble with the wifi on a machine i just rebuilt. i can get wpasupplicant to associate with my router, but i can't get a dhcp response. similar setup on my laptop works, but the tower's encryption doesn't seem to work. is there some package i might be missing? this same configuration worked in gentoo before i rebuilt and installed debian
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22:28<xpl>i dont have anything against you. why should I?
22:28<Guest42>when geeks talk politic :)
22:28<DaCapn>just a joke, the US has less friends every day
22:28<cdlu>DaCapn, I'd hold it against you but I don't want to be bombed.
22:29<xpl>thanx to your goverment :P
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22:29<xpl>and where are you from, cdlu?
22:29<cdlu>I certainly *seem* to live here.
22:29*cdlu is from Canada
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22:30<cdlu>the only democracy in english north america.
22:30<Guest42>yeah i was wondering, how does your gf cope with the fact we're staying online that late?
22:30<jello>cdlu: i guess you're not from quebec...
22:30<Guest42>i mean, i'm talking for the EU's here ;)
22:30<cdlu>jello, I am, actually
22:30<Guest42>4.30 am :s
22:31<DaCapn>cdlu Oregon is practically Canadian
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22:31<DaCapn>maybe that's just wishful thinking
22:31<cdlu>sorry, only one state satisfies the requirements to be "practically Canadian", and it's not Oregon.
22:32<DaCapn>but Oregon is like the Canada of the US, it has lots of trees and nobody knows anything about it.
22:32<jello>DaCapn: heh :)
22:32<Guest42>oregon scientific?
22:32<cdlu>DaCapn, by that definition our capital should be in Montana.
22:32<Guest42>i like my weather clock very much
22:33<cdlu>the only state I will consider Canadianish is Vermont.
22:33<xpl>you know what happend now? i cant boot anything
22:33<cdlu>any state that can keep McDonalds out of its capital gets my maple leaf of approval.
22:33<karlos>: S
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22:35<xpl>i did it!
22:35<cdlu>eww, unicode
22:35<xpl>what is that? franco-english?
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22:36<Guest42>yeah don't blame belgium for that
22:36<Guest42>we have 3 national languages here ;)
22:36<cdlu>félicitations is perfectly valid french. I wouldn't try pronouncing it in English. :)
22:36<cdlu>Guest42, three national languages and no national government. Yay PR!
22:36<ranix>Felicitations is perfectly valid english
22:36<Guest42>lol, bien vu cdlu
22:37<ranix>tay-shuns rather
22:37<cdlu>perhaps, but when was the last time you walked up to someone and said "felicitations my good friend!"
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22:37<ranix>when was the last time you walked up to someone and said "sup my nigger!"
22:38<Guest42>we use it a lot in french
22:38<ranix>having three national languages is badass
22:38<ranix>I don't even have a national language because half the populace can hardly speak broken english, nevermind german or spanish
22:39<Guest42>where are u from ranix?
22:39<ranix>the united states
22:39<Guest42>canada's best exemple
22:39<Guest42>english french and ...acadian :d
22:40<ranix>canada sucks
22:40<karlos>: o
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22:40<Guest47>it sounds too much like illicitations, which would probably get you in trouble in the US just for saying.
22:40<Guest47>"charge is illict english in the first degree"
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22:41<cdlu>right then.
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22:43<Guest42>where is the guy with his wireless problem when we need him :d
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22:45<Karlos>I can copy/paste his message if you want Guest42. lol
22:46<ranix>there was a wireless problem
22:47<DaCapn>he already left
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22:50<Karlos>Yeah, he left seconds before you asked for him : )
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22:53<xemacs>can i install debian on usb external drive now ?
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22:58<R_Dragon>Hi Guest 42, how are you?
22:58<dpkg>R_Dragon: mas o menos
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22:58<Guest42>fine fine thanks
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22:58<R_Dragon>is there anyone here up to helping out a novice/experienced user?
22:59<R_Dragon>Howdy dpkg
23:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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23:01<karlos>Yeah, dpkg is right
23:01<R_Dragon>ok, hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
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23:01<R_Dragon>I can't get a disk mounted.
23:01<R_Dragon>it is on the eide bus
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23:02<dpkg>somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem
23:02<R_Dragon>It seems to be one of the pmount bugs
23:02<R_Dragon>I've tried that
23:02<R_Dragon>even from root
23:04*karlos remembered that he had too feed his elephant...
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23:04<R_Dragon>I've just switched from FC8 to Debian and am finding some things just not working
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23:07<R_Dragon>I just need a data drive as the drive I'm trying to mount is for backing up my data from the main drive. It is mounted in a removable drive bay.
23:08<ranix>R_Dragon: uh I've yet to have a mount problem
23:09<ranix>R_Dragon: mount /dev/sdXY /target where X is the drive letter and Y is the partition number
23:09<ranix>and if you need to specify a type or options do so
23:10<DaCapn>what does dmesg say after this failed mount?
23:10<R_Dragon>hang on just a sec..
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23:14<samer>hi hi :)
23:15<R_Dragon>My first attempt was to create an ext3 partition. When I tried to mount it I got an error that said it was a bug in the software. I will attempt to create the exact error again.
23:16<samer>i need some help :)
23:16<samer>i installed debian for my first time yesterday, and i can't get my usb dlink wireless thing to work
23:16<samer>the light on it doesn't turn on
23:16<killuminati>hi there
23:17<killuminati>How could I check the compilation flags of a deb package?
23:17<samer>hmm, i think everyone's afk
23:17<gravity>killuminati: Download the source (apt-get source yourpackage) and look in debian/rules
23:18<DaCapn>samer patience is a virtue
23:18<samer>^^ sorry
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23:19<shivraj>samer what's the model of your usb device ?
23:19<R_Dragon>ranix, I have re-partitioned the /dev/hdb drive and formated it.
23:19<R_Dragon>it is now ext3
23:19<samer>dlink wua-1340
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23:20<shivraj>samer : if it's not supported by the kernel you have to find a driver or module that will make it work .. I dont use usb wireless
23:20<shivraj>but thats how everything works ......
23:20<samer>shivraj: i found a driver for it, but i went looking for the linux source and a few other things for linux source and i didn't find those dirs
23:21<ranix>congrats, R_Dragon
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23:21<R_Dragon>but now here's where the problems start.
23:21<samer>the build directory doen't exist ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
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23:22<shivraj>samer : you did ?
23:22<shivraj>samer : ./configure make make install, try that
23:22<samer>shivraj: has a driver for it, i found the instructions weird
23:22<samer>now i'm trying ndiswrapper
23:22<R_Dragon>So, what do I specify for "/target"
23:23<shivraj>samer : did you compile the driver ?
23:23<shivraj>yeah I used ndiswrapper before, it worked great with a pcmcia wireless card
23:23<samer>i can't compile ndiswrapper because ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build doesn't exist :(
23:23<shivraj>samer : where's the driver
23:24<samer>i'm gonna download the winows drivers, the instructions said to do so
23:24<R_Dragon>ranix - So, what do I specify for "/target"
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23:25<amphi>samer: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) (assuming you run a debian kernel
23:25<twb>I'm using wpa_supplicant to connect to a wireless router running OpenWRT and using WPA/PSK. This works. When I tell the OpenWRT AP to hide (not broadcast) its ESSID, I can no longer connect by just saying `ifup ath0'.
23:26<samer>amphi: i haven't reinstalled the kernel since i installed, is that the debian kernel
23:26<twb>Do I have to add an "expect it to be hidden" declaration to wpa_supplicant.conf?
23:26<amphi>samer: actually, it looks as though you can use module-assitant to do it all for you
23:26<samer>amphi: how do i use that?
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23:27<twb>For aufs, for example: m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i aufs
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23:27<amphi>samer: run m-a, follow the steps; it has a helpful interface
23:27<shivraj>samer : you might need to install the kernel source for your kernel
23:27<twb>shivraj: it will do that for you
23:27<shivraj>twb : right
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23:28<bleck>hey, is there a way to see all the messages at startup? are they saved anywhere? I know dmesg will show you kernel messages, but what about after that?
23:29<samer>kk thanks, i'm running m-a now
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23:29<samer>is moduleassistant recompiling linux
23:29<twb>samer: only if you want to stay sane
23:30<twb>Oops, I misread you
23:30<twb>I thought you asked if m-a was *necessary* to recompile linux
23:30<vin`>bleck: what are you looking for?
23:30<twb>bleck: by default almost everything goes to /var/log/messages
23:31<jello>twb: m-a a-i <module>; does everything, no need for the other stuff
23:31<vin`>!tell bleck -about bootlog
23:31<chealer>!tell bleck about bootlogd
23:32<twb>jello: lies!
23:32<chealer>bleck: that will show some more
23:32<twb>jello: without update, you have to use the package name, you can't use the module name
23:32<jello>twb: not true
23:32<twb>e.g. `m-a a-i aufs' doesn't work, but `m-a a-i aufs-source' does.
23:32<samer>does it overwrite or update the current modules installed?
23:32<twb>jello: well, MMV.
23:33<jello>twb: true that :)
23:33<twb>samer: m-a makes a new .deb in /usr/src and then installs it.
23:34<twb>samer: if it seriously breaks something (unlikely) then you can just purge that package using dpkg -P.
23:34<samer>kk, so i need to select all the modules that i want.
23:34<shivraj>I was gonna get a wireless card for my desktop that I want to put upstairs, but I got another wireless router on ebay for $15 and I am just gonna configure it as an access point with my router
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23:36<twb>shivraj: running OpenWRT you can make the two routers bridge together over wireless, and still use the both as APs
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23:38<shivraj>twb : yeah thats what I am gonna do, but plug a desktop into it so no need to get wireless card and configure it in linux
23:38<gsimmons>twb: There's a troubleshooting section relating to your problem ("Hidden ssids") in wpasupplicant's README.Modes.gz file.
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23:38<twb>gsimmons: thanks.
23:39<twb>I highly recommend the Asus WL-500gP, althogh IIRC that model was recently EOLd
23:40<gsimmons>twb: I've one over here, good to know. :)
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23:40<twb>I was looking at the manpage for wpa_supplicant.conf(5), which doesn't refer to "hidden" ever :-(
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23:45<samer>hmm, i just finished with m-a, what do i do next? do i follow the steps of getting the windows drivers?
23:46<jagerman>ndiswrapper is so gross :(
23:46<jagerman>Are you sure you need it?
23:47<samer>i just want my wireless to work :(
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23:49<twb>gsimmons: I can get it to work with one hidden AP, but if I uncomment the other AP's network{} block, it always uses that -- despite my using priority=1 in the hidden AP's network block
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23:49<twb>(I have two APs; one I own, and one I suborn as a fallback.)
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23:50<samer>for some reason i seem to like debian better than fedora :s
23:51<twb>samer: maybe because Debian isn't run by cowboys
23:51<Lucky>I am trying to set up etch with encrypted LVM partitions. I am using the guided partitioning setup. I want to change the sizes of some partitions, but I can't figure out how to modify the partition sizes from the defaults when at the "This is an overview of your currently configured partitions..." screen. I can select the partitions, but not change their size. What am I missing?
23:51<samer>fedora installation wouldn't even boot on my laptop (a pos)
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23:52<xemacs>wait i'm a cowboy do i need to run a defferent distibution
23:52<kapil>xemacs: no. in debian we are a-bull to help you too!
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23:52<twb>Lucky: the interface doesn't (AFAIK) support resizing partitions, only deleting them and making new ones of different size
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23:53<twb>Lucky: #debian-boot is where the developers hang out, they might know better than me
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23:53<Lucky>twb: thanks for the tip. I'll try deleting and recreating the partitions.
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23:55<Lucky>Hmm. I see. I'd have to delete pretty much all the partitions and start over to change all of their sizes.
23:56<ranix>I thought the point of LVM was to dynamically resize partitions
23:56<twb>LVM allows you to resize *LVs* on the fly.
23:56<ranix>ah. Sorry. I have to read some man pages before I chip in again
23:57<Lucky>ranix/twb: Seems this is more of a installer UI limitation than an LVM limitation.
23:57<twb>Normally you create a single partition on each disk and make it an LVM Physical Volume (PV), and then make small Logical Volumes (LVs) on the volume group (VG) associated with the PV
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23:57<ranix>I see
23:58<samer>argh it's telling me invalid driver
23:58<twb>Obviously if also using md RAID you first create a RAID across the disks' partitions and then make that a PV
23:59<ranix>twb: sounds like that would start to get confusing to back up. Does the filesystem see the LVs as if they were partitions?
23:59<ranix>like it does with md
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23:59<twb>Filesystems live on block devices, they don't care WHAT those block devices are stored on
23:59<twb>That's why you can make filesystems on file, e.g. .iso
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