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00:07<enouf>Danoz: not that i know of, and i just reviewed most everything in /usr/share/kernel-package/ , though you shouldn't need to actually run 'make-kpkg clean' as your 1st command (IINM) . that said, what i usually do is run "make menuconfig" over the course of a few days, each time making small changes and saving them .. then finally when i feel satisfied, i compile ;-)
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00:15<Danoz>enouf: thanks, the problem is i don't run make-kpkg clean myself. it does it all by itself everytime i build a new kernel, so i get no choice and have to wait ages
00:16<enouf>Danoz: i think the makefile does that .. let me look
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00:22<mike1980>hi how do I make acpi_cpufreq load at start up?
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00:22<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
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00:25<enouf>Danoz: dang, not much luck just yet, but do this $ make-kpkg --targets and $ make-kpkg --help .. and what's your exact command?
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00:25<enouf>Supaplex: heh, i forgot all about modconf , cheers for the reminder ;-)
00:26<Danoz>make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version=-blah kernel-image kernel-headers
00:26<enouf>Danoz: aha!
00:26<enouf>requires a clean
00:26<enouf>read the --help output even
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00:27<Supaplex>enouf: np, that's my patch on #358855 too :)
00:27<enouf>Supaplex: nice ;-)
00:27<enouf>and Thanks
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00:28<Danoz>enouf: thanks, i somehow must have missed that line when i was reading the help
00:28<enouf>Danoz: also, for more info, i did less /usr/bin/make-kpkg, then /, then clean, and it mentions it in detail ;-)
00:28<enouf>no prob
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00:29<enouf>somethinkg about the linux/version.h file or similar
00:29<mike1980>is there a command line to add acpi_cpufreq with modconf?
00:30<enouf>huh? you could use echo to add it to /etc/modules., but not sure about the/any /etc/init.d/scriptnames, nor it's /etc/rc?.d symlinks
00:31<mike1980>or what would acpi_cpufreq be listed under in the modcof menu
00:31<enouf>ouch, does modprobe -l | grep acpi show it?
00:31<enouf>as root, or precede with /sbin/
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00:32<mike1980>enof: yes modprobe -l | grep acpi shows it but I just need it to load by defualt
00:33<mike1980>it dose not load by defusalt I am told
00:33<enouf>mike1980: it should appear in modconf then
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00:34<mike1980>enouf: ok I will look threw them thanks
00:34<mike1980>it's a big list lol
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00:36<mike1980>would it be kernal/acpi maybe?
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00:36<enouf>mike1980: hrm, modprobe output shows you exactly where
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00:36<enouf>mike1980: the command i told you to run
00:37<enouf>mike1980: do you have acpi-utils pkg installed? and any needed cpufreq{d} pkgs?
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00:38<mike1980>just need acpi-cpufreq to start on boot
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00:39<Deselect>Would anybody know the best way to get compiz core working with a radeon 9600? Or even installing a 9600 driver set properly? I had this working ages ago, but now all my 3d stuff runs extremely slow, even glxgears
00:39<mike1980>if I do modprobe acpi-cpufreq it start it but I want it to happen on boot?
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00:39<enouf>mike1980: are you dense or something?
00:40<Supaplex>mike1980: add the same module line your modprobe with to /etc/modules or use modconf (if it's unloaded)
00:40<enouf>echo 'acpi-cpufreqd' >> /etc/modules
00:40<mike1980>ya ok Only used linux debian like a few times
00:40<enouf>echo 'acpi-cpufreq' >> /etc/modules
00:40<arman>are there any good voip applications under debian(for international calls)?
00:41<mike1980>ok I will add that thanks
00:41<Supaplex>dpkg: modconfig is also note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
00:41<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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00:42<enouf>Supaplex: modconfig? or modconf .. or are they linked ;-)
00:42<Supaplex>heck I dunno, I haven't used it in a few
00:42<enouf>(the factoids) the way 'd-i' and 'di' are (debian-installer)
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00:42<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with
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00:43<Supaplex>li:~# apt-file list modconf | grep bin
00:43<Supaplex>modconf: usr/sbin/modconf
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00:43<Supaplex>ohh i see what you mean.
00:43<enouf>Supaplex: i mean the factoids here
00:43<Supaplex>dpkg: modconf is also note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
00:43<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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00:49<arman>are there any good voip applications under debian(for international calls)? I use ekiga with diamondcard, can anyone recommend something better?
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00:56<Deselect>Sorry, but does seem like a reliable method to get Compiz Fusion working on a 9600 Radeon?
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00:56<Deselect>I keep seeing these vastly different methods and some of them have burnt me in the past
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00:57<Deselect>Hmm, maybe ignore that last one, this seems newer
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01:14<Deselect>Anyone here have any experience installing either FGLRX or COMPIZ? I really need some help as I have been running into dead ends on my system
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01:17<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method.
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01:22<kalneth>guys! i am installing samba through my debian etch right now... i dont know how to access the samba server
01:22<kalneth>can anyone help me pls...
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01:24<kalneth>i have installed one but I cant get through the server its asking me for a username and password... I dont know what it is...
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01:26<kalneth>guys can anyone help me pls...
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01:29<Supaplex>kalneth: try smbpasswd
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01:40<kalneth>guys when i try to log in to samba it creates a new icon where i can log in and the name for the server is the same as my computer name...
01:41<kalneth>can anyone help me pls... what is in there is a taskfolder and a printand faxfolder...
01:41<kalneth>is that the server that i am accessing this time?
01:42<Supaplex>so you have two computers with the same name on the network?
01:45<gpm>hey guys. when i ssh in to a server, i only see color inside of apps like irssi and vim (i have a colorized config) if i am inside screen, why would that be?
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01:48<micjack>buenos diuas
01:48<micjack>dias muchachos
01:48<micjack>alguien en linea
01:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:54<JustSoul>What mount option [smbfs|cifs] trasfer acl to linux-client?
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01:54<Supaplex>gpm: $TERM
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01:56<kalneth>supaplex >>>> i only have the same workgroup working on them...
01:57<kalneth>as for my linux server i only named it as server, while for the pc that is accessing it i name it momong...
01:59<Supaplex>my graymatter is depleted for the day. wish I could help more, but try the debian wiki, look in /usr/share/doc, dpkg -L <package> | grep /share/, or
01:59<Supaplex>!tell kalneth -about search
01:59<Supaplex>zzzZZZzzz time for all over again.
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02:07<gpm>Supaplex: it is xterm, which should i pick instead?
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02:16<ChillWill>i'm thinking of moving from fedora8 to ubuntu, but i'm not so sure about the 'sudo' installer, can i install yum or is there a good reason i should use sudo instead?
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02:23<Claudy>i'm trying to make my old fileserver to boot for the first time into Debian , tough i'm stuck at the LUKS Passphrase >.<
02:23<devil>ChillWill: you'd better ask in #ubuntu
02:23*Claudy feels stupid about it... >.<
02:23<dondelelcaro>ChillWill: first off, this is #debian, not #ubuntu, second, sudo isn't an installer, but a method of obtaining root, like su. Third, aptitude is what you'd actually use to install, not yum.
02:24<ChillWill>dondelelcaro: ok, i'm new to linux in general, but very new to debian core. sorry for the dumb question.
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02:26<Claudy>i've installed it a few Hours ago with help the netinstall CD (which i really appriciate much! =^.^=)
02:26<ChillWill>dondelelcaro: so why should/would i use sudo instead of su?
02:26<dondelelcaro>ChillWill: because you shouldn't be root unless you absolutely need to be
02:27<dondelelcaro>(and the fewer people who know the root password, the better)
02:27<ChillWill>dondelelcaro: i guess what i'm asking is what is the difference between su and sudo?
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02:28<dondelelcaro>ChillWill: su is switch user, and requires that you know that user's password. sudo requires that you have an entry in /etc/sudoers and know your own password.
02:28<dondelelcaro>ChillWill: sudo is far more powerful and flexible.
02:28<kalneth>hi! im trying to access my file server using the comman http://ipadd:901 but nothing comes out
02:29<kalneth>does anyone know where I went wrong... I want to add some users on my samba but I cant get through the gui of samba...
02:29<ChillWill>dondelelcaro: ahh, ok. i guess i'm gonna have to buy an debian or ubuntu book. thanks for the info.
02:30<kalneth>can anyone help me... ChillWill do you have any idea?
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02:31<ChillWill>kalneth: i'm new to debian, i don't even know what http://ipadd:901 is exactly
02:33<dondelelcaro>Kalessin: it's almost certainly supposed to be localhost:901 or similar.
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02:37<Kalessin>dondelelcaro, I think you mean kalneth ? :)
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02:38<dondelelcaro>Kalessin: yes.
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02:52<fanto666>fck, the latest etch kernel from security updates doesn't boot my NB
02:52<kalneth>dondelecaro, i have logged in to the file server now by adding user and giving it a password..
02:52<gpm>hi, my $TERM is set to xterm, and when i ssh in i get no colors, what should i use for TERM and how do i make changes to that variable permanent? thanks.
02:52<kalneth>dondelelcaro i mean,sorry :)
02:53<kalneth>i want to add a new user but samba wont allow me by stating that it was not able to confirm the password..
02:55<kalneth>it was not able to modify the pword entry for the user...
02:55<kalneth>any idea.?
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02:58<ChillWill>i'm trying to install eclipse, what is the difference between the native version and the non-native version?
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02:59<han`>has anyone had an issue with compiz where like ctrl-alt-right will skip two desktops to the right, rather than just one?
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03:08<stuart>no, works 1 by 1 for me
03:09<stuart>i have mounted /dev/sdc1 but it doesn't display in file manager.... how come?
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03:16<Enforcer>I want to setup a debian box as a firewall with 2 NIC's
03:17<Enforcer>ADSL -> eth1 <> eth2 <- Switch
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03:21<Lynoure>Enforcer: sounds like a plan
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03:41*JustSoul need help
03:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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03:46<JustSoul>Problem: I have MS AD; and samba share. Using winbind it's possible to login by AD-users. When I mount smb-share "mount -t smbfs -o username=abcd..." samba-server take abcd-username and apply it to permissions/acls/symlinks and client see result (no symlinks, server follow them on server-fs ), when
03:48<JustSoul>use "mount -t cifs" samba-server give what he have in share to client, and client's OS "think" what to do (symlinks follow on client's FS).
03:48<JustSoul>BUT, UIDs on server and clients are different
03:48<geresen>hey to all i am using Debian Etch on asus F3SC but couldnt Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC webcam make work do you have any advices to how to make it work!
03:49<JustSoul>in second variant user abcd may be any user on client machine
03:49<JustSoul>those problem appear and if I mount nfs share
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03:53<JustSoul>brains blowed up..
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04:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, distros is <ribnitz> SwiftDeath: Different distros cater for different crowds who have different opinions on different things. Look at it and after having seen it make a decision. Bud dont expect #debian to be of help about other distros than debian
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04:22<PaiN>Hello all, whats the best distro for me? i just wanna play True Combat Elite, and use TeamSpeak... i tryed debian but got some probs with the sound, im on openSuse now and its full of bugs.. is there any distro good with some tutorials/manuals (commands...) ?
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04:22<fanto666>hmmm, windows?
04:23<fanto666>if you have a friend who is _good_ in linux, the best distro is the one (s)he can help you with
04:24<PaiN>-.-''' well i already thought about that
04:24<PaiN>but the thing is that that friend is not always here
04:24<PaiN>but thanks fanto ;)
04:26<PaiN>sorry my bad english -.-''
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04:27<PaiN>and well i realy wanted to learn by myself, so maybe i could also do something, instead of ohh.. dude help out
04:28<PaiN>And fanto with windows im having 20-30 fps, with openSuse 80-120
04:30<JustSoul>What differnent between "-t smbfs" and "-t cifs" mount options?
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04:32<Spee_Der>Good morning
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04:36<stuart>is the fstab entry /dev/sdd2 /mnt/sdd2 ntfs user 0 0 correct for mounting an ntfs partition read/write
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04:37<fanto666>JustSoul afaik cifs is a bit newer protocol with some more features. howeves I use smbmount since I can do that w/o root and sudo
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04:38<fanto666>stuart I think you need to specify 'rw' explicitly since that's dangerous option. But I'm not sure
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04:38<fanto666>however I wouldn't mount anything on dirs under /mnt
04:38<fanto666>maybe /media or so
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04:39<stuart>fanto666: whats the difference between mounting under mnt or something else?
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04:40<stuart>fanto666: so for the command /dev/sdd2 /mnt/sdd2 ntfs user 0 0 do i modify it for rw?
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04:40<gsimmons>stuart: No. The NTFS filesystem driver supplied with the Linux kernel only has read capability. You'd need to use a driver which can also write, such as NTFS-3G.
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04:40<padski>Stuart, see the FHS: "Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point."
04:40<fanto666>yes, you need ntfs module compiled with 'rw' option (dangerous)
04:40<stuart>gsimmons: i installed that --- and the gui and it seems to have hijacked my fstab file -- re-wrote it....
04:41<gsimmons>!tell stuart -about ntfs-3g
04:41<fanto666>well I see /mnt/ subdirectories as fscking redhatism
04:41<gsimmons>stuart: Refer to the usage example link in that factoid.
04:41<padski>fanto666, blessed are the cheesemakers
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04:41<stuart>!tell stuart -about ntfs-3g
04:43<stuart>thanks -- so the use of mnt/windows is that just a convention or is it absolutely necessary?
04:44<padski>stuart, just a convention, and as noted above, one we suggest you consider avoiding.
04:44<padski>!tell stuart about self tell
04:45<stuart>!tell stuart -about ntfs-3g
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04:46<stuart>do i need to do anything special to replace my screwed fstab with a backup copy (ie. do i just use the copy command?)
04:47<fanto666>screweed? is it a problem just to edit it?
04:47<padski>stuart, but yes, it is just a text file, you could just copy another one over it. no magic required :-)
04:48<stuart>fanto666: well ntfs -3g has changed it and i've lost all my comments and it's using its own commands (not the ones i "know") including breaking access to an external drive
04:48<stuart>padski: thanks -- good point lol
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04:51<JustSoul>And why dmask mount parameter determ how to server operate with symlinks?
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04:59<trueno>Hi! I am trying to set up nfs. Server runs etch, client runs sid. I am getting this all the time when I try to mount the shares: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'fit-pc' failed: timed out, retrying
04:59<fanto666>isn't the server firewalled?
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05:00<trueno>fanto666: nop
05:00<fanto666>I think that portmap must run on external interface, while it often unly runs on localhost
05:01<trueno>fanto666: It's running in both places
05:01<fanto666>which server do you have installed, userspace or kernelspace?
05:01<trueno>fanto666: kernel
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05:03<xpl>sound problem, it wont play music to my right loudspeaker
05:04<trueno>fanto666: I think I am going to replace it with user
05:04<xpl>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
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05:06<xpl>and when I touch the sliders on a mixer it immediately stops playing any sound at all
05:06<xpl>even when I move a slider in xmms
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05:07<xpl>does anybody know whats the problem?
05:08<stuart>ok, ive restored my fstab and have access back to all partitions bar the ntfs one. This one is mounted under /windowsmnt but I don't know how to get the write access-- chown -R username /windowsmnt doesn't seem to have an effect
05:09<stuart>ntfs-3g is installed
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05:10<stuart>fstab entry is /dev/sdd2 /windowsmnt ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
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05:11<Slydder>hey all. have a problem with my routing table. i have on my server for hosting with the main ip of the server of I can ping the 200.46 ip from the 80/28 block but can't reach the internet from the 80/28 block. could someone pls assist?
05:13<padski>Slydder, 200.46 ??
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05:13<xpl>hello again
05:13<stuart>anyone know how to enable write access for ntfs? Can't I just use chown whith ntfs-3g installed?
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05:14<xpl>I have a problem with configuring my sound card
05:14<xpl>it wont play any music to the right speaker
05:14<padski>Slydder, ok, so should that be or ?
05:14<suiside>stuart: mount the partition with an appropriate umask
05:15<Web>stuart use the guid from the usergroup who may write like guid=1000
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05:15<xpl>when I run speaker-test i hear the sound only from my left speaker
05:15<Slydder> is the main ip of the server. is my block being hosted on that server as well.
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05:16<xpl>i have configured my alsa
05:16<stuart>Web: how do i determine my number (I haven't explicitly created a usergroup -- how do i find out the id for my login?)
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05:16<xpl>but when i try to move a slider i just stops playing any sound
05:16<Web>stuart check there is a line in the manuals tab for mounting networkshare's
05:16<stuart>Web: thanks
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05:17<xpl>no metter what mixer i use
05:17<padski>Slydder, I see. the main ip is not in the block. ok
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05:18<xpl>so does anybody know whats the problem? and perhaps how to solve it? :)
05:18<Slydder>correct. it is the host ip.
05:18<padski>Slydder, suggest you paste your routing table
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05:18<padski>!tell Slydder about paste
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05:18<Guest1246>This ssl is cracking me up
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05:19<Slydder>lol. no longer the original have been playing a bit to no avail. but will pastebin it.
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05:21<Web>xpl is your speaker broke ?
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05:24<bhola>how to check all the services running on my system
05:24<bhola>ps for process right?
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05:24<xpl>Web no
05:24<bhola>i need services
05:24<Web>bhola #top
05:24<petemc>if you want to see what runs at startup, /msg dpkg startup
05:24<petemc>bhola: whats the difference?
05:24<Web>xpl i havo no clue
05:24<xpl>Web I mean c'mon just yesterday it was working, then i start configuring
05:25<xpl>alsa again because i couldnt hear a sound of a movie clip form
05:25<Web>xpl > what did you change in your configuration ? put it back
05:25<bhola>i mean to say like chkconfig available in redhat like that
05:25<xpl>just ran the alsa again
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05:26<xpl>and then i got myself into problems
05:26<Web>you should specufiy the soundmanager in your brwoserconfig for youtube
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05:27<xpl>ok... how do i do that?
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05:28<Web>bhola use /etc/init.d/ to start and stop services.
05:29<new2debian>Hello guys, I have too many TIME_WAIT tcp connections to mysql, what does that mean??
05:30<Slydder>and be advised i just added teh gw nm route a few minutes ago to test.
05:30<fanto666>new2debian connections were closed and wait for some outdated packets from the net
05:30<bhola>Web:that's to start/stop a process but if a want to check the current working process how can i?
05:31<bhola>web:sorry services
05:31<fanto666>bhola btw they are called daemons in the UN*X world
05:32<fanto666>except jesux, they were renamed there iirc
05:32<bhola>one utility i got sysvconfig using that we can see running services
05:33<Web>what do you wanna, check if it's running ?
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05:34<bhola>but without using sysvconfig is it possible to see the running services?
05:36<Web>xpl : i can remember a setting like essd or something for flash and browsersounds. i do not remember where.
05:37<TBBle>ps aux will show you all running processes, some of them might be services. netstat -lnp will show you all processes listeening on sockets, most of those will be services and many services will be in that list.
05:37<Web>bhola i dont now
05:37<petemc>bhola: you could check the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d yourself
05:37<TBBle>If you want to see all processes controlled by scripts in /etc/init.d/, then I don't think Debian has a standardised method... Many of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ support the status parameter, I believe, as part of the LSB compliance (maybe optional LSB compliance?)
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05:39<bhola>TBBle:yes,but i was searching for one command which will do it for me..
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05:39<petemc>bhola: and you found sysvconfig, whats wrong with that?
05:40<TBBle>Does sysvconfig show running services? Or services marked to run at the current runlevel?
05:40<new2debian> Does that affect maximum allowed tcp sockets?
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05:40<bhola>petemc:we have to install it default i sthere any way?
05:40<petemc>bhola: as i said, you can check the symlinks
05:40<TBBle>Hmm. Looks like it prolly outputs (nicely) the result of for d in /etc/init.d/*; do $d status; done
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05:43<bhola>TBBle:it shows the services marked to run in the current run-level
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05:46<TBBle>bhola: Oh. ls -l /etc/rc{currentrunlevel}.s/S*?
05:47<TBBle>I'm not sure how you get the current runlevel though.
05:47<fanto666>Question - I am trying to build up ipw3945 modules for my debian kernel (2.6.18). I have built ipw3945-source (1.2.2) but when I use module-assistant, it generates version 1.2.2, while there's version 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch3 in repository, which causes my modules to be removed anytime I update/upgrade. can I force module-assistant to build version 2.6.18+1.2.2 ?
05:47<TBBle>Oh, cool.
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05:48<TBBle>bhola: Oh. ls -l /etc/rc$(runlevel|cut -b3-).s/S*?
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05:49<TBBle>Gah. Typos and thinkos.
05:50<TBBle>ls -l /etc/rc$(/sbin/runlevel|cut -b3-).d/S*?
05:50<new2debian>What effect of changing tcp_tw_recycle to 1?
05:50<TBBle>ls -l /etc/rc$(/sbin/runlevel|cut -b3-).d/S*?|cut -d/ -f6 and you even get them in order.
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05:59<klimy>hi, i tried to install an ati card yesterday. it did not work properly. now i cannot reinstall my nvidia card.
06:00<klimy>i always get failed to load module nvidia... although i did it exactly the same way like last time.
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06:01<mikes>klimy: did you remove the ati driver packages?
06:01<klimy>xorg.conf is an old version that worked properly. i used envy to get rid of ati and nvidia drivers.
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06:02<klimy>mikes: i think i used automatic install the first time
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06:02<mikes>klimy: did you install ati through apt?
06:02<klimy>mikes: could be that this is the problem but i am not sure how to remove them properly.
06:02<klimy>mikes: no
06:03<Web>you need differnet kernels for both videocards
06:04<klimy>Web: i thought i just need to include the modules
06:04<Web>do you use synaptic ?
06:04<mikes>"/usr/share/fglrx/" i think is the uninstall script if you installed fglrx from the ati installer
06:04<klimy>Web: I dont know, i guess no.
06:05<Web>gnome ?
06:05<Web>go to the synaptic package manager
06:06<Web>search for nvidia, choos the drivers and kernel for nvidia
06:06<mikes>Web: he first needs to remove the fglrx driver, which he did not install through apt
06:06<klimy>Web: well i usually use just apt-get
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06:06<klimy>or aptitude, was not sure what synaptic is ;)
06:06<Web>synaptic is a gui for apt-get
06:07<mikes>klimy: fot nvidia all you need to do is the standard method described here
06:07<mikes>klimy: but be sure that fglrx is removed fist
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06:11<themill>!tell klimy about nvidia
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06:18<kmap>Debianers, how do I prevent the automagic file system check at startup? Is there a boot parameter to control it?
06:18<padski>kmap, see /etc/init.d/
06:19<themill>kmap: or change when the fs checks are run using tune2fs
06:19<kmap>padski: Er, OK. Note that I can't boot into the system yet.
06:19<kmap>(It's a qemu image)
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06:19<themill>kmap: boot it off a live cd or mount the image on loopback first
06:19<padski>kmap, perhaps describe what your real problem
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06:20<kmap>themill, padski: It's like this. Whenever the file system is checked, it hangs
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06:20<kmap>And if I use Ctrl+C, I get to a point where the partitions are mounted read-only
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06:21<kmap>I am wondering how to remount it RW...
06:22<kmap>(and I am unsure as to whether the rw is due to me cancelling the check...)
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06:23<kmap>In case I let the bootup continue, it tries to start syslogd and doesn't resume...
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06:24<padski>kmap, you could use -o remount,rw to remount rw, BUT don't do it on a filesystem that won't fsck :-)
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06:25<kmap>padski: OK, hold on.
06:25<kmap>(Rebooting qemu)
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06:27<kmap>padski: Wow! I can write now!
06:27<kmap>padski: Now how do I disable the fs check?
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06:27<padski>kmap, this is the check on the root fs ?
06:27<kmap>padski: Yes./
06:28<padski>kmap, (sounds dangerous!), see /etc/init.d/
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06:28<kmap>padski: But this is a qemu; the disk is on a file! Anyway... I get what you mean.
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06:29<padski>kmap, yeah, I get your situation, but it bears mentioning :-)
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06:33<kmap>padski: Er, what do you actually want me to do with checkroot? exit 0?
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06:33<kmap>padski: Or it's OK... let me cancel the check, remount rw and proceed. it works fine.
06:34<padski>kmap, for some values of fine ;-)
06:34<themill>kmap: the integrity of the image file is ensured by the host system, so to an extent you are right. But the integrity of what is *in* the image file has to be ensured by the guest... otherwise the host is just storing an image of a b0rked filesystem.
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06:34<kmap>padski, themill: Ok.. trouble is, I am stuck as long as it hangs at fs check, probably a qemu issue...
06:34<padski>kmap, the kernel does not check the integrity of a filesystem. mount a busted filesystem and all bets are off :-)
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06:35<kmap>padski: Agreed.
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06:35<padski>kmap, ok :-)
06:35*themill always treats vms as completely disposable so turns all of these sorts of things off
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06:35<gsimmons>fanto666: Your issue explanation seems to contradict itself. Additionally, Etch has version 1.1.2 of 'ipw3945-source', I'm not sure how you're managing to build 1.2.2 modules using m-a. You can alternatively use the relevant pre-built 'ipw3945-modules-2.6-*' package, if you're using a stock kernel.
06:35<kmap>themill: It is disposable!
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06:41<klimy>i wanted to thank all that helped me resolve my video card issue. i need to reboot thus i left irc.
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06:42<mikes>klimy: everything ok now?
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06:42<fanto666>gsimmons I built ipw3945-source version 1.2.2 by myself.
06:43<fanto666>I'd like to build modules with versions that wouldn't be overriden by those from etch
06:45<fanto666>the problem is that module-assistant builds version 1.2.2 but there's 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch3 in etch
06:46<fanto666>gsimmons of course I can mark them as "hold" but I'd like to find out what's with the versions
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07:11<Wesley>Anyone somewhat experienced with setenv / apache2?
07:12<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
07:12<Wesley>Allright allright sorry.
07:14<Wesley>I'm trying to prevent people from directly downloading files from my server, trying this with setenv.. and google has some examples but it doesn't seem to work correctly with me
07:14<Wesley>here is what I have:
07:14<Wesley>This current method seems to allow everyone to access the file; when I remove the SetEnvIfNoCase Referer "^$" locally_linked=1 it blocks everyone
07:21<padski>Wesley, perhaps #apache on freenode
07:22<Wesley>Ok! will try :) thanks
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07:38<pbt>Здравствуйте....совсем я запарился с созданием локального зеркала....
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07:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:39<pbt>вернее хочу сделать не совсем локальное, на местных провайдероввввввввввввв его открыть....
07:40<pbt>oops sorry :)
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07:46<gsimmons>Wesley: Can't see anything amiss with your configuration. But if your clients don't supply a HTTP Referer in the request header (eg. disabled in the user-agent, stripped by proxy, etc), those file types won't be served.
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07:51<Wesley>gsimmons; yes I'm aware of that.. but im afraid that's just how its gotta be
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07:52<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
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07:53<re_>can i use SID/Lenny files/updates under etch ?
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07:54<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
07:57<re_>i really didnt understand this part , anyway i am new to debian , i just got my Net-CD of debian 4.0r2 *I guess* it was about 150 MB , Now before i play with my sources.list , i want to know can i add sid/etch/lenny stuff in it?
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07:58<padski>re_, in sources.list ?
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07:59<Web>re_ when you are new you should use etch only
07:59<re_>yes , or from Desktop = > Admins => software properties
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07:59<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
08:00<re_>Web , i really preffer to stick with stable ver , but the problem i want to use the latest version of mesa and intel drivers without compiling them , thats why i tried to use about 5 distros these days
08:00<padski>and maybe ask dpkg about apt-pinning
08:00<dpkg>apt-pinning is, like, read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see or see
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08:01<padski>re_, but I avoid that if there is a simpler way.
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08:01<re_>belieave thats i agree on you with that, but anyway do you think their be a big side-affect if i tried only to install latest ver of xorg , intel driver , mesa , dri?
08:02<re_>last time i tried that on openSUSE and Fedora crashed the system *make it un-useable*
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08:03<Web>just ad the same lines as with etch in sources.list only instead of etch lenny or sid
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08:04<kinlo>how can I see in which archive a package is?
08:04<re_>So web , will that work? *Trying etch on ubuntu crashed* so i am little about worry to reinstall debian again ;)
08:05<padski>re_, see apt-cache policy
08:05<Web>try only one archive for your latest version, get your packages and go back to etch.
08:05<re_>ok :)
08:06<re_>!apt-cache polich
08:06<padski>re_, simple answer: you might not get what you expect
08:06<padski>re_, no, man apt-cache
08:06<re_>padski i already know about that ;) , oh well thanks i will try man :)
08:06<padski>re_, but go and check backports first anyways
08:06<re_>ok i am doing it , thanks again
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08:09<JustSoul>How to make global variable?
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08:09<padski>JustSoul, huh?
08:09<re_>i think export VAR SG
08:09<re_>SG= something
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08:10<JustSoul>padski: hello =)
08:10<JustSoul>re_: no
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08:11<padski>JustSoul, hi
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08:13<re_>If anyone dont mind , please check this and tell how to install it under etch
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08:14<Web>download the . deb > dpkg -i download.deb
08:14<padski>!simple sid backport
08:14<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
08:14<re_>i meant from the apt-get install , as its going to install every things from me
08:14<padski>re_, do you want to run sid ?
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08:15<re_>yes :) , i dont mind killing this pc , all whats i am trying to do ever going to get my gfx card to work or not
08:16<Web>apt-get dist-upgrade
08:17<re_>Ok , i did ,thats installed small file called linux-image-2.6-686
08:17<dpkg>dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch>, or <etch->lenny>
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08:18<re_>i see
08:18<JustSoul>How to make global variable from bash script?
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08:20<re_>JustSoul , have you ever tried export VAR ?
08:20<JustSoul>if from shel - it's work
08:21<JustSoul>if from script, - doesn't
08:21<padski>JustSoul, explain your real problem
08:21<re_>well , try add in your script bash at the begging for it starts it first
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08:22<re_>Here is what i get form sid ,
08:22<padski>JustSoul, only children get such exported enviroment variables
08:23<JustSoul>padski: I know.. I see it..
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08:24<JustSoul>ok, where can I export GLOBAL variable?
08:24<re_>JustSoul out of the topic , do you regonize you are asking this question in the wrong channel? :)
08:25<padski>!real problem
08:25<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem>
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08:27<re_>Have anyone saw this , i dont know what to do know , all what i did was adding bin-non-free respo into sources.list (from the program that came with debian)
08:27<JustSoul>I need that my programs (patched wine) use some global variable
08:28<JustSoul>I need export that variable to environment
08:28<padski>JustSoul, perhaps somewhere like /etc/profile, or a wrapper script. suggest you man bash, especially the start
08:29<Web>try instead of
08:29<padski>!dynamic mmap
08:29<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
08:29<JustSoul>re_: offtopic: What topic of this chanel? debian? =)
08:29<re_>JustSoul , No linux :P
08:30<padski>JustSoul, as it goes, your question isn't really debian specific
08:30<re_>Ok , i am going it , now web :)
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08:31<re_>here is the line in source.list deb sid main contrib non-free , so i should change http to ftp right?
08:32<JustSoul>padski: most (>99%) of my questions is not about debian, they are about some components of debian... it's offtopic =(((
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08:33<re_>i will try this one (The big list)
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08:34<SynZ>can anyone help me, im trying to run compiz, on my debian system... when i type compiz --replace i receive the following error, /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension
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08:37<dpkg>rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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08:39<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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08:40<pressman>Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection
08:40<pressman>SynZ, add the above lines to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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08:41<SynZ>there is no, section "Extensions" in there, pressman
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08:43<pressman>SynZ, just add these lines at the end
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08:43<SynZ>Section "Extensions"
08:43<SynZ> Option "Composite" "Enable"
08:43<SynZ> EndSection
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08:44<SynZ>debian:~# compiz --replace
08:44<SynZ>/usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension
08:44<re_>It seems like i cant get ride of MMap ,any ideas of how to fix that? or better is their an update for apt-get? :p
08:44<SynZ>still receiven the same error.
08:44<fasta>How should I report a bug in Iceweasel that is currently manifesting, but I am sure cannot reproduce reliably?
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08:45<fasta>It would be best if I could store the state of the current program somehow.
08:45<fasta>(infinite loop in Firefox)
08:45<fasta>(er Iceweasel)
08:45<pressman>SynZ, It should work. Try restarting X perhaps
08:45<padski>re_, did you read the factoid ??
08:45<SynZ>How do i Restart X pressman
08:45<re_>whats you mean?
08:45<dpkg>factoid is probably something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
08:46<padski>!tell re_ about self tell
08:46<re_>i will try to clear apt-get cache , and will try it again
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08:47<re_>lol , thanks padski , i was trying to spam btw ;)
08:47<re_>i wasnt*
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08:47<re_>Good i notice that small typo or wooh one of these ops going to get me banned/kicked in no time
08:47<pressman>SynZ, you can do sudo gdm restart
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08:50<SynZ->lol pressman it made me restart..
08:50<re_>Debian today is nuts
08:50<re_>LOL , SynZ and so alt + ctrl + backspace would :P
08:51<pressman>SynZ, It wouldnt have made you restart your comp
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08:51<pressman>SynZ, just the X server ..
08:51<SynZ->I mean
08:51<SynZ->the X
08:51<pressman>SynZ, thats what you wanted right?
08:51<SynZ->May i Paste a few lines here?
08:52<re_>hola tincho
08:52<tincho_08>re_ de donde sos?
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08:53<padski>re_, pastebin your sources.list
08:53<re_>Snior , me nie/no espanol
08:53<re_>no need here it is
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08:53<tincho_08>re_ speak spanish?
08:54<re_>Tincho , just few words if you consider few words speaking spanish
08:55<tincho_08>sory not speak inglish
08:55<re_>theere is also two more lines in my source.list which are deb etch main anddeb-src etch main
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08:58<SynZ>pressman, you still here
08:59<padski>!tell re_ about sidux
09:00<re_>lol , what the bot told looks like "GET out of here , your problem isnt ours anymore"
09:00<petemc>it never was
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09:01<fanto666>Q - it seems that debian-backports-keyring stayed in my "status" database even when it's not installed nor marked for install
09:01<re_>Well , i wish thats true , <dpkg> padski wants you to know: extra, extra, read all about it, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
09:02<fanto666>can I wipe it from there? Except the manual edit way
09:02<re_>anyway i will remove sidux now , hopes that fix things
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09:02<padski>re_, are you a sidux user, or are you just adding stuff randomly to your sources.list ?
09:03<padski>(the latter is not recommended)
09:03<fanto666>got it
09:04<re_>before 1 hour , i installed Etch 4.02r usng the NETWORK cd , and since then i tried to install the lastest intel driver without compiling and moving from backwards to other without succeful attepmds in using apt-get update , i got that source-list from internet *kinda radom* ;P
09:05<_Umbrella_>i got a nforce520/mcp65 board and sata dont wanna work , im really noob to this stuff , anyone can maybe help ?
09:06<re_>Now the only thing i want is to get my intel driver + mesa for 3d to work fine , then i will set firefox and others , So i hope if someone could at lest tell me how to fix that MMap problem
09:06<petemc>dont use random sources.list entries
09:07<petemc>when you installed etch, it should have set up sources.list for you
09:07<petemc>you should just need to add non-free contrib to that
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09:08<re_>but , i want latest intel/mesa drivers thats why i need to use new sources.list
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09:15<re_>I guess finaly i solved my problem :)
09:15<re_>if this going to work , i take off every bad words i said it about debian in past ;P
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09:20<re_>Time for reb00t , if i didn't back then debian screwed up my pc
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09:21<GhostlyDeath>Debian messing up people's PCs... naw
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09:22<Freedom>anybody help with apache on debian
09:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:23<Freedom>whould work a apache.conf working on win when i move it to apache running on debian
09:23<Freedom>or is there any diference
09:24<GhostlyDeath>gotta adjust your paths
09:25<Freedom>i know that i have to adjust the paths
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09:25<Freedom>no other issuse i need to solve
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09:27<zren>hey, I got a question regarding my newest kernel, I compiled it and everything is fine, but I need an initrd. I used to make these with mkinitrd, but mkinitrd isn't available anymore. How can I make an initrd? thanks a lot
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09:28<GhostlyDeath>your welcome
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09:29<_Umbrella_>i got a nforce520/mcp65 board and sata dont wanna work , im really noob to this stuff , anyone can maybe help ?(version is 2.6.24-1-686)
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09:32<TimbrWolf>Having print problem with Epson c88; set up printer and it only prints first job. After that it prints to que, but nothing happens. When you reboot computer everything that you tried to print before starts printing. Log messages show scheduler not running. Help??
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09:42<St0nedbr>hi, anyone here has used collaboa, i'm not know how to sync a SVN repository with collaboa...
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09:57<gasparex>hi all, is there anyone can help me with webalizer ? i launch it and i got this error ./webalizer: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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09:57<Supaplex>gasparex: how did you install that?
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09:58<gasparex>the binary code came from
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09:59<Supaplex>debian already has webalizer, why didn't you install the debian package?
09:59<gasparex>this is a newer version (compared to the old version in the debian apt repo)
09:59<Supaplex>is it in backports?
09:59<gasparex>no it isn't :-(
10:00<Supaplex>!tell gasparex -about simple sid backport
10:01<gasparex>what does it mean ? -about simple sid backports
10:01<Supaplex>!simple sid backport
10:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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10:02<Supaplex>it means dpkg should tell you that. the - means only notify me
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10:03<gasparex>ok ... but the stonesteps webalizer is still not in backports !
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10:04<albertok2>is it possible to give chroot more than one command ?
10:04<albertok2>Like # chroot /my/chroot/path some_command && second_command ?
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10:05<Supaplex>chroot /path sh -c '1;2;3;4'
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10:06<Supaplex>gasparex: is there a difference besides the version number? Of course it's not in the repo, we just covered that. you can build it yourself eaisly with that set of commands.
10:08<gasparex>i'm trying to do this ... PLEASE do no leave me alone ! :-)
10:10<albertok2>Supaplex, thx. But... When i do sudo chroot /path sh -c 'su chris;/home/chris/myscript'
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10:10<albertok2>it executes command 'su' and doesnt execute /home/chris/myscript
10:10<gasparex>Supaplex: if i build by hand that source... how can i save a deb file for future use ?
10:11<Supaplex>albertok2: su -c /home/chris/myscript chris
10:11<Supaplex>gasparex: the with command dpkg just said, you'll have a deb. only after you install the deb will it be installed.
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10:12<albertok2>Supaplex, it works... thanks ;)
10:14<Supaplex>np, good job
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10:23<gasparex>Supaplex: i'm trying to understand what to do ... i think i'm too stupid ! :-) Please Help
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10:24<Supaplex>I recently setup a test box to do this same thing. 1m
10:25<gasparex>on backports there is no webalizer... so do not i have to ./configure && make && make install the package ?
10:26<gasparex>Supaplex: you 're the best !
10:26<Supaplex>do you understand the difference between <backports> (the website) and <simple sid backport> (instructions on how to make your own backport) ?
10:26<gasparex>i think no, sorry ! :-(
10:27<Supaplex>!simple sid backport
10:27<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
10:27<Supaplex>did you add deb-src lines to sources.list?
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10:27<gasparex>yes now it looks like this: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
10:29<ajricoveri>sorry to disturb you, i cant find tc on my debian box =(
10:29<Supaplex>!tell ajricoveri -about search
10:30<gasparex>i added this line to my default sources.list "deb etch-backports main contrib non-free"
10:30<Supaplex>ajricoveri: which tc, apropos tc, apt-file search bin/tc
10:30<Supaplex>gasparex: that's not a deb-src line, that's only deb.
10:30<Supaplex>gasparex: what's the deb line not using backports?
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10:32<giovanni>hi there
10:32<giovanni>do you know how to get old sources with git?
10:32<gasparex>Supaplex: deb lenny main
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10:33<ajricoveri>Supaplex, tc is a traffic shaper, i thought it came by default
10:33<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
10:33<Knight_Lord>Can anyone help me explain what this is?
10:34<Supaplex>ajricoveri: # apt-file search bin/tc | grep bin/tc$
10:34<Supaplex>iproute: sbin/tc
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10:36<padski>Knight_Lord, does this help:
10:37<gasparex>Supaplex: here is my sources file: deb lenny main (new_line) deb-src lenny main (new_line) deb lenny/updates main (new_line) deb-src lenny/updates main (new_line) deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
10:37<ajricoveri>Supaplex, first i have to know in which pkg does belong =p, im on it
10:38<Supaplex>gasparex: it looks like that dev box wasn't setup like I expected. use deb-src etch main check first to see if it's new enough before bothering with a backport.
10:38<gasparex>Supaplex: how do i have to edit it ?
10:38<Supaplex>with a text editor
10:38<Supaplex>!tell gasparex -about grounding
10:39<padski>Knight_Lord, slabtop looks liek fun :-)
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10:39<Knight_Lord>padski sorry?
10:40<gasparex>Supaplex: ! thank you !
10:40<ajricoveri>Supaplex, thx a lot, i found it =)
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10:41<Supaplex>!tell gasparex -about bobbitt
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10:41<padski>Knight_Lord, I think "swapper: page allocation failure. order:0" is something that happens in the kernel when you run out of a certain kind of memory. slabtop might help.
10:41<Supaplex>gasparex: and try to not comingle releases
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10:42<Knight_Lord>padski ok. Might question is also why should I run out of memory? I was only doing an rsync of about 20k files
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10:43<Supaplex>isn't that the question you should be investigating your box for?
10:43<_Umbrella_>i got a nforce520/mcp65 board and sata dont wanna work , im really noob to this stuff , anyone can maybe help ?(version is 2.6.24-1-686)
10:44<padski>Knight_Lord, twenty questions follow. what hardware, what kernel, is it a vm, etc. I can't help you in detail with this right now, perhaps someone else will if you tell more details.
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10:45<Knight_Lord>For the record it's 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Debian Stable that is only used as a backup file server so basically only runs rsync
10:46<padski>Knight_Lord, has it happenned more than once ? repeatable ?
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10:48<fanto666>gsimmons: do you have an idea how to build kernel modules with own Version: ? (e.g. give a version prefix?)
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10:54<Knight_Lord>padski yes
10:54<Knight_Lord>padski it always happens when i do the rsync
10:55<Knight_Lord>padski I was reading about rsync so i even made sure i was not rsyncing too many files
10:55<Knight_Lord>padski because they say the memory usage is about 100bytes per file
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10:56<Knight_Lord>padski and that error shows up multiple times (more than 10)
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10:57<Supaplex>Knight_Lord: you could use ulimit to killoff rsync if it uses too much
10:58<Supaplex>apparently you should consider segmenting your backups. instead of all at once, try /var, /usr and /home and then / w/o /var+/home+/usr
10:58<Knight_Lord>Supaplex like i said it was only about 20k files at a time
10:59<Knight_Lord>Supaplex only one user home
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10:59<Knight_Lord>my only guess would be something messed up while copying big files
10:59<Knight_Lord>because some of the user files are large
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11:01<Supaplex>well, try -P and run it with ulimits, and capture theoutput with script. you'll eventually figure out where it's croaking
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11:02<Knight_Lord>There are a couple of files much bigger than the system memory, i wonder if that's a problem
11:02<Supaplex>there's no cureall for this. you'll have to investigate and attempt to isolate it
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11:02<Supaplex>not a bad hunch.
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11:02<Knight_Lord>Another clue is that the partition where i was rsyncing too gets completely frozen after the problem
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11:02<Knight_Lord>even doing ls inside it freezes at the kernel level
11:03<Knight_Lord>unkillable freeze
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11:07<Supaplex>sounds like rsync is only incidential to your underlying issue here
11:07<padski>Knight_Lord, can you fsck that fs ?
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11:09<Knight_Lord>padski i'm afraid not, it's xfs
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11:09<Knight_Lord>padski and xfs has ridiculous memory requirements for the fsck
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11:10<Knight_Lord>padski but I can read the device with cat
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11:11<padski>Knight_Lord, so it could be a corrupt fs ?
11:12<Knight_Lord>padski why would the failure to allocate memory page came from e1000 if it's a corrupt fs?
11:12<padski>Knight_Lord, why would ls not work ?
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11:13<Knight_Lord>I was guessing that the page allocation failure totally messed up my system
11:13<Knight_Lord>padski but you have a point
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11:14<padski>Knight_Lord, it is guesswork on my part too, but not being able to fsck an fs ...
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11:16<Knight_Lord>padski xfs_check uses about 1/1000 of the fs size in memory
11:16<Knight_Lord>meaning i would need at least 6GB memory which i don't have
11:16<Knight_Lord>although i can try to create the swap space
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11:18<padski>Knight_Lord, do you really need xfs ?
11:19<Knight_Lord>padski ext3 is quite slow
11:19<padski>Knight_Lord, for what ?
11:19<Knight_Lord>padski but it's a good question actually
11:19<Knight_Lord>padski for reading files, which is what i do
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11:21<Knight_Lord>padski the 2TB file limit sometimes is also a problem
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11:25<padski>Knight_Lord, what do people use 2TB files for ?
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11:25<Knight_Lord>padski molecular dynamics trajectory files
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11:27<padski>Knight_Lord, you googled that didn't you ? ;-)
11:28<Knight_Lord>padski no, that's what we do (check
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11:29<themill>Knight_Lord: you need to convince your MD package to make saner-sized files.
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11:30<Knight_Lord>themill it's entirely the user fault, when they simulate system with a million atoms for example, things grow really fast
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11:32<themill>Knight_Lord: It could create a rolling journal (i.e. HISTORY.001 .002 etc) each time the file gets to 1 or 2 GB.
11:32<joyfulgirl>Hey...I was just wondering what program decides where root's mail gets delivered. I'm not really sure what conf. file to be looking at on my laptop.
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11:32<themill>Knight_Lord: Is gromacs really up to a million atoms? biggest I've seen successfully done is a few tens of thousands of atoms.
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11:33<Gathond>joyfulgirl: your mail server, usually through /etc/aliases
11:33<Knight_Lord>themill there's a guy sitting on the office next to me doing it, with an entire virus
11:33<themill>Knight_Lord: Just for my edification, how does Gromacs compare to dlpoly or gulp?
11:33<Knight_Lord>themill in terms of what?
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11:34<Knight_Lord>themill in terms of speed it's the fastest there is
11:34<joyfulgirl>Gathond: Thanks. /etc/aliases mostly just seems to be a list if pseudo users that are really root, though. Hm.
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11:34<petemc>no it isnt
11:34<themill>Knight_Lord: What it can do, what problems it is suited for (crystals/molecules, solvent fields etc) perhaps we should continue off channel though...
11:35<Gathond>joyfulgirl: yes, which are forwarded to root, there is usually one which then redirects root
11:36<joyfulgirl>Gathond: Not in this case.
11:37<Gathond>then root should get roots email
11:37<Gathond>provided the system actually do use /etc/aliases, but you ought to know if you changed that
11:38<joyfulgirl>Gathond: Right, it's getting delivered to /var/mail/mail, but I'd like to redirect it to a maildir in my user's mail directory (since I'm the only admin. on my personal computer).
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11:39<Gathond>then put a line in the bottom of that file redirecting to you
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11:41<joyfulgirl>Gathond: Ah, okay...and I take it if I end it with a / it'll understand it's a maildir, or what? (Sorry, I just can't seem to find a manpage)
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11:42<Gathond>no slash
11:42<Gathond>it is just a username
11:42<Gathond>not a path
11:42<petemc>exim can do paths
11:42<Gathond>the system will then deliver it to whatever mailbox that user has
11:42<petemc>with the right options on the alias router
11:42<joyfulgirl>Gathond: I, I see. Thanks
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11:43<joyfulgirl>Gathond: I really need to familiarize myself with the mail stuff on here. I've got sort of an ad-hoc system set up, but no idea how to set things up "properly." I guess I'll look into that sometime when I've got more time. Thanks for your help!
11:44<bighornram>when downloading the real time patch for kernel would the patch name need to match ie: 2.6.23.[16]-rt11 ? only finding
11:44<posix>Anyone use pptp to connect to an ms-chap-v2 vpn? After a few seconds, my connection drops with "modem hangup" and apparently no other useful info
11:46<bj0rk>Hi, somehow I managed to do something strange. One of my users dos not have any sound, whereas all others have it. User X is part of the audio and cdrom groups but no sound. I use KDE 3.5.x . I remember having issues with artsd., but not for one user only. What could be wrong? I have an unfancy soundcard using ALSA.
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11:48<cahoot>bj0rk: tried to run speaker-test in a term as the user with probs?
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11:50<joyfulgirl>Gathond: One last question...any idea how to send mail to a local user? I've got mutt set up to use msmtp, but that wants to send from an external account...
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11:50<Gathond>msmtp is?
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11:51<joyfulgirl>Gathond: It's an smtp package
11:51<bj0rk>cahoot: "bash: speaker-test: command not found" wrong command?
11:51<Gathond>you probably have to send mail to another localuser using localhost as smtp (or have the machine have its own domain name so the ISP's smtpd can send the mail back to you=
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11:52<cahoot>bj0rk: alsa-utils installed?
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11:52<bj0rk>cahoot: I thought so... I'll check
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11:53<joyfulgirl>Gathond: Ah.
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11:53<bj0rk>cahoot: only "c". I must have removed them some time ago
11:54<Gathond>but you should be able to always do that, and have your local smtpd use the ISP as a smarthost
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11:54<cahoot>bj0rk: the point was to try simplest possible app in a term to catch any usable errormsg
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11:55<joyfulgirl>Gathond: As previously mentioned, I'm unfamiliar with mail setup...oh well. Thanks...(I actually have to run, but thanks for your help!)
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11:57<esaym>Anyone have trouble getting acroreader to print out pdf's? I have a printer on my network and adobe just puts out some "printer could not be found" type error. CUPS is installed and I can printer fine from iceweasel and OO
11:58<bj0rk>cahoot: "Using 16 octaves of pink noise" Hmmm, grey noise to my ears... :)
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12:00<bj0rk>cahoot: ok, so I got noise, but no sound from e.g. xmms
12:01<cahoot>bj0rk: so as far as alsa is concerned you have sound ok
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12:01<cahoot>bj0rk: make your apps use correct output - alsa f ex
12:03<bj0rk>cahoot: If I select alsa as output in xmms I get the message "Could not open audio. Please check that "your soundcard is configured properly. You have the correct output plugin. No other program is blocking the sound"
12:04<cahoot>bj0rk: ok see if that's the case, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
12:06<bj0rk>Nothing happens (when typed as the muted user"
12:06<cahoot>as root?
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12:08<bj0rk>cahoot: First rown is the header, the second is "/dev/snd/controlC0: user 6376 F.... xmms"
12:09<cahoot>bj0rk: seems an instance of xmms is running
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12:09<bj0rk>cahoot: I hadn't turned it off...
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12:10<bj0rk>Yet, if I retype it the is no message
12:10<abeld>Hi! is there a debian package for vmware-player somewhere? I tried and, but no luck. Is installing from the tarball from the best way to install vmware player on debian lenny?
12:11<cahoot>bj0rk: is xmms the only sound app that refuses to work for siad user?
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12:11<bj0rk>cahoot: No, there is no sound at all, not even the kde startup sounds
12:12<kokoko1>hi, how to list the files installed by the package?
12:12<dragon-fire>dpkg -L pkg-name
12:12<dpkg>ii pkg-name 2.2-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
12:12<cahoot>bj0rk: so kde's sound system is disabled for user?
12:12<dragon-fire>@ kokoko1
12:13<kmap>dragon-fire: Is that package in etch? ;-)
12:14<bj0rk>cahoot: I didn't know one could specify that per user.
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12:14<cahoot>bj0rk: you can check in kontrol center
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12:18<ranix>happy tuesday
12:19<bj0rk>cahoot: I have Debian Sid, but there is no option of a per user setting.
12:19<ranix>bj0rk: adduser ranix sound
12:19<cahoot>bj0rk: I don't use kde so ...
12:20<themill>that would be the "audio" group, not "sound"
12:20<ranix>bj0rk: remember user group permissions don't take effect until the user logs into a new shell
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12:20<ranix>gack, thanks themill
12:20<themill>bj0rk: it's easier to test all this out from the command line first with wavs and then when it's working, think about mp3s and sound servers
12:20<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
12:20<themill>^^ something like that last line
12:21<bj0rk>cahoot: ranix?
12:21<cahoot>already did run speaker-test as user
12:21<themill>(see, that cow obsession is handy...)
12:21<themill>sorry.... gotta run..... happy hunting!
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12:22<cahoot>bj0rk: groups <user> lists audio?
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12:23<bj0rk>groups gives: user cdrom audio video plugdev powerdev
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12:24<cahoot>bj0rk: seems correct since user could run speaker-test without complaints
12:24<bj0rk>And "Alsa Mixer" have all conrol at about 90%
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12:25<cahoot>bj0rk: I've no useful idea why this sorry user can't produce sound if all others can
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12:26<bj0rk>KInfoCenter says on installed drivers: "Type 10: ALSA emulation". not sure if it is relevant...
12:26<RichiH>is there really no way to make apt-get install stuff and pretend it was not installed manually?
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12:27<bj0rk>cahoot: Thanks for your help anyway. I wasn't aware of the speaker-test!
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12:32<JaminCollins>someone here want to try and help me understand what appears to be a build dependency loop between gcc-multilib and gcc-4.2 in sid?
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12:36<Aleric>JaminCollins: paste some info on a paste site... I'll have a look
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12:37<JaminCollins>I can give you the bug report I filed that was closed
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12:39<Aleric>JaminCollins: I don't see the problem
12:39<JaminCollins>I'm using etch on AMD64 and looking to backport xen from unstable. I've got build-essentials, and other packages build just fine, but for xen-3, it needs gcc-multilib which needs gcc-4.2-base. However, gcc-4.2 (which provides gcc-4.2-base) build depends on gcc-multilib
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12:39<Aleric>Install the binary versions - then rebuild the source
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12:40<JaminCollins>isn't that a chicken and egg problem?
12:40<JaminCollins>how were the packages built if they require themselves to build?
12:40<bj0rk>cahoot: Hi again, I logged out and logged as "mute user", and type speaker-test again. Now: "LSA lib pcm_hw.c:1272:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Unknown field mmap_emulation" and "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" and "Playback open error: -22,Invalid argument""
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12:40<Aleric>Are you a troll or something?
12:41<Aleric>I have better things to do. Sorry
12:41<JaminCollins>I'm seriously trying to understand this
12:42<Aleric>The one who closed the bug already told you.
12:42<JaminCollins>that I need a compiler to build a compiler
12:42<Aleric>You can't build a compiler without a compiler - what is there to understand?
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12:42<JaminCollins>I do have a compiler...
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12:43<Aleric>Install one then
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12:44<JaminCollins>what I don't get is how can version 4.2 of the compiler require version 4.2 of the compiler to build... like I said, I'm using etch and have build-essentials installed (gcc 4.1.2)
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12:45<JaminCollins>and these packages are from two different sources but require each other to build... I'm just not grasping how either of them could have ever been built if they both require each other to build
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12:45<Aleric>The one who build them did so by not requiring that dependency.
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12:46<Aleric>You can build the compiler outside of debian (from the upstream tar ball) - and then build multilib after removing the dependency demand.
12:47<Aleric>All others should just install that binary distribution and use that to build multilib, after which they can rebuild the compiler if they want.
12:47<JaminCollins>but once the inter-dependencies are listed on the two packages doesn't that make them non-buildable without having an already built version of one of them?
12:48<Aleric>The upstream compiler also demands it to be build with itself, it's called bootstrapping: the compiler is build any C compiler, then resulting compiler is used to rebuild itself, then THAT compiler is used to rebuild itself again - if the last two compilers are binary idential, it's used to build the rest (C++ compiler etc)
12:48<Aleric>s/build any/built by any/
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12:49<Aleric>JaminCollins: yes - you need to install a binary version first.
12:49<JaminCollins>k... I think I'm with you...
12:49<Aleric>debian doesn't support bootstrapping from source.
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12:50<JaminCollins>how would these to packages ever transition to testing since testing would not be able to build one without the other?
12:50<JaminCollins>sorry, nvm... testing doesn't rebuild... just takes what was
12:50<valdyn>JaminCollins: testing doesnt build ever
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12:51<valdyn>JaminCollins: any testing package was once, exactly like that in sid
12:51<mihau>i;'ve got a problem
12:51<mihau>my nvidia drivers dont support dx
12:51<mihau>or anything
12:52<valdyn>JaminCollins: testing-sucurity is probably an exception
12:52<Aleric>DirectX is windows, not linux
12:52<mihau>it used to work
12:53<mihau>before ive installed debian
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12:53<valdyn>mihau: aptitude install libwine-gl
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12:54<JaminCollins>so, how would something like these two packages get build in unstable?
12:54<mihau>valdyn: E: Package libwine-gl has no installation candidate
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12:54<valdyn>!info libwine-gl
12:54<dpkg>libwine-gl: (Windows API implementation - OpenGL module), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.53-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 992 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB
12:55<valdyn>!info libwine-gl etch
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12:55<dpkg>libwine-gl: (Windows API Implementation (OpenGL Module)), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 789 kB, Installed size: 2268 kB
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12:55<valdyn>mihau: paste /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste site
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12:57<Aleric>!info libcwd
12:57<Aleric>!info libcwd sid
12:57<Aleric>!info libcwd0 sid
12:57<dpkg>libcwd0: (c++ debugging support library), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 0.99.44-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 304 kB, Installed size: 792 kB
12:57<Aleric>1.0.0 is out.
12:57*Aleric works harder ...
12:58<mihau>if it matters, im running amd64 system
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12:58<valdyn>mihau: how did you get wine at all?
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12:58<mihau>apt-get install wine ? ;>
12:59<valdyn>mihau: amd64 has no wine afaik
12:59<mihau>i had winehq repo
12:59<valdyn>mihau: amd64/etch has no wine afaik
12:59<valdyn>mihau: ok - we cant support wine from but
12:59<mihau>well, utorrent runs properly
12:59<valdyn>mihau: check your opengl h/w accel support
12:59<mihau>how? ;p
12:59<valdyn>mihau: utorrent doesnt use dx
12:59<mihau>yea. i know
12:59<valdyn>mihau: glxinfo | grep -i direct
13:00<mihau>but you;ve just said that theres no support for amd64
13:00<mihau>bash: glxinfo: command not found
13:00<valdyn>mihau: its in the mesa-utils package
13:01<mihau>direct rendering: Yes
13:01<mihau>direct rendering: Yes
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13:05<mihau>valdyn: direct rendering: Yes
13:05<Aatheus>whoops, wrong channel
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13:05<valdyn>mihau: looks fine
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13:06<valdyn>mihau: now if glxgears runs perfectly fine too, there's nothing more i can do, we cant support stuff
13:06<mihau>well... it does ;f
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13:07<valdyn>mihau: i guess you have no 32-bit acceleration libraries
13:07<mihau>hw do i install them?
13:07<Aleric>still not using my script?
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13:08<mihau>Aleric: nope
13:08<mihau>i did
13:08<mihau>!nvidia one-liner
13:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
13:08<GhostlyDeath>glxgears is smooth
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13:08<Aleric>That says : (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32.
13:08<mihau>i did
13:08<Aleric>then you have them
13:09<mihau>so whats wrong? ;f
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13:10<mihau>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:10<mihau> libwine-gl: Depends: libwine (= 0.9.34-1~bpo.1) but it is not going to be installed
13:10<mihau>E: Broken packages
13:10<mihau>when typiing apt-get install libwine-gl
13:11<valdyn>mihau: thats your winehq wine package blocking the bpo wine
13:11<mihau>but when im using apt-get install wine from backports none of win apps doesnt work ;f
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13:13<mihau>@ubnuntu it was much easier ;D just typed apt-get install nvidia-glx and everything worked properly :D
13:13<dpkg>one warez list being sent to black_king
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13:17<blueice>Can anyone assist with evolution? running lenny with latest patches. At first when trying to add an Exchange account and hitting Authenticate it crashed. I am assuming this has been fixed but I can't verify because when I try to set up an Exchange account now only the username field is there. The OWA url field is not there anymore. I think evolution still connects to Exchange via OWA. Any help would be apreciated.
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13:19<mihau>Aleric: could you give me that site with your method? i think about reinstalling system tommorow :p
13:21<Aleric>mihau: http://www.xs4all./nl/~carlo17/ is my homepage... it's somewhere in the HOWTO section.
13:21<Aleric>mihau: Given the current state of sid and testing, you must download a .run package and use --filefile=version
13:22<Aleric>use --runfile=version
13:22<mihau>yea, ive got logs :P
13:22<Aleric>It won't make any difference in regard to wine though, imho.
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13:23<Aleric>I just asked if you didn't use my scripts because you wondered how to install the ia32 libs
13:23<mihau>hehe :P
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13:23<mihau> mihau: i guess you have no 32-bit acceleration libraries
13:23<mihau>didnt know what it exactly is;p
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13:27<mihau>;f, connection broken
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13:30<mihau>ok, g2g
13:30<mihau>bb guys
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13:33<blueice>Can anyone assist with evolution issue? Running lenny with latest patches. At first when trying to add an Exchange account and hitting Authenticate it crashed. I am assuming this has been fixed but I can't verify because when I try to set up an Exchange account now only the username field is there. The OWA url field is not there anymore. I think evolution still connects to Exchange via OWA. Any help would be apreciated.
13:35<istoc>Does anyone know how to specify the passive port range muddleftpd uses? The documentation is offline
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13:41<klemen>I have nvidia quadro fx 1600, 512MB graphic card and I can't set up my nvidia driver to work. Any suggestions, help?
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13:51<Aleric>/usr/include/linux/jbd.h:61: error: ‘gfp_t’ has not been declared
13:51<Aleric>Anyone got an idea?
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13:54<Aleric>found it:
13:54<Aleric>I need __KERNEL__ to be defined :/
---Logclosed Tue Feb 12 13:55:20 2008
---Logopened Tue Feb 12 13:55:22 2008
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14:03<Tuplad>what could be the cause of no programs being started ? :) I use gnome, debian testing, and I sometimes get this stuff. I try to start opera or a browser or the console and nothing happens, it starts loading but then it disappears from the taskbar and done, only way for me is to reboot. I don't really need a solution, just the cause :]
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14:06<istoc>What does the >> operator in C do?
14:06<valdyn>Tuplad: read ~/.xsession-errors
14:06<valdyn>istoc: does this look like a C channel?
14:07<istoc>Well, I didnt get my question about debian so I had to read the source :P
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14:08<valdyn>Aleric: youre creating a kernel module?
14:08<themill>istoc: google is your friend...
14:09<Aleric>valdyn: no, a file system checker
14:09<Tuplad>valdyn: thanks, that's neat!
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14:09<istoc>themill: Thanks
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14:09<Aleric>I need to include linux/jbd.h but that doesn't work without defining __KERNEL__
14:10<Aleric>doesn't work = always gives compiler errors.
14:10<Aleric>Looks like a bug to me.
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14:13<Aleric>journal_t is defined here:
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14:15<casadelajuventud1>soy silvia quereis ablar
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14:16<casadelajuventud1>quereis ablar por msm
14:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:18<casadelajuventud1>buena ablais
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14:50<mihau>!nvidia one-liner
14:50<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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15:02<lsailor>i have a bit of a strange problem i hoped someone could help me with. I have a client that I forward their mail to a gmail account to help with the spam filtering and the mail has somehow been deleted from the gmail account. I still have all the mail in /var/spool/mail but I need a way to send that to gmail...any ideas?
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15:05<mihau>Aleric: are you in here?
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15:05<petemc>lsailor: you could reprocess it with formail, but it would probably be easier to use a mail client and imap
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15:06<lsailor>petemc: thanks...i will look into that
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15:09<OdyX>Hi. I'm trying to rebuild a RAID5 array. 2 of the 3 disks (actually, partitions) are shown as "spare" (even if they contain the valuable data I need to rebuild the array). How can I make mdadm understand that these disks are "valid" and not "spare" ?
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15:37<OdyX>any idea someone ?
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15:46<aFlag>anyone knows about projects for benchmarking and stuff like that?
15:46<OdyX>aFlag: what type of benchmarking ?
15:46<aFlag>maybe papers about it, I'm not sure this is the best place to ask
15:46<OdyX>power, efficiency ?
15:46<OdyX>type of programs ?
15:47<aFlag>benchmarking for cpu and memory basically
15:47<aFlag>in order to compare different cpus and memory configurations
15:47<OdyX>disk: bonnie++
15:48<OdyX>aFlag: AFAIK, modern configurations are harder and harder to compare.
15:48<OdyX>multiple CPUs / cores
15:49<OdyX>different designs, ...
15:49<OdyX>parallelism (for which programs are not always optimised)
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15:49<aFlag>hm, I see
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15:51<knoppix_>hi folks
15:51<knoppix_>i want to recover my hdd, but its not listet in /dev how can i refresh the hdds which are connected_
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15:51<Supaplex>hello <based on debian> user
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15:52<Supaplex>if it's not in /proc/partitions the kernel doesn't know about it (yet)
15:54<ohcibi>hm it seems to be broken, it makes several noises like the head is clicking against something.... it stops while booting the system but that seems to be the moment when the system sais okay there is no more hdd.... so whats tha command that scans for all hdds, during boot? can i recall it?
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15:57<Supaplex>someone else had the same fate -
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16:01<aFlag>Supaplex, is that the computer they buried in some university?
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16:06<ochosi>hi, i have a question about my wifi-card (intel 3945 abg); using ubuntu i had no trouble of setting it up, but in lenny it seems i need to load a kernel module (at least i think for this card i don't have to install a driver), but don't know which and couldn't find out. any ideas?
16:07<imagine>Hi, I'm trying to make a bash script (or anything equivalent) so when I'm connected on my local network, it uses local IP (192.168.0.*) to access my server and when I am outside of my local network I access it through SSHFS using another IP.. any idea help ^
16:07<Supaplex>aFlag: there's a cute tombstone generator online I found. I was initially looking for a generic premade one, and discovered I was able to make my own this way.
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16:08<ochosi>imagine: a friend of mine used to have a script for that purpose, i'll quickly digg whether i can find it somewhere...
16:08<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
16:09<aFlag>I guess it's never too early to look for tombstones
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16:09<imagine>ochosi: Oh I would appreciate it very much. as I suck using @ batch scripting
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16:10<ochosi>thanks Supaplex
16:10<Supaplex>aFlag: it was for an online forum related to someones post about their dead hdd
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16:15<ochosi>imagine: i have to switch to ubuntu quickly to check in my inbox - it should be somewhere down there... i'll be back in a jiffy
16:16<imagine>ochosi: all good
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16:24<ubd>hello i made a bace xfce install. i want to install nvidia drivers.
16:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
16:25<ubd># m-a auto-install nvidia
16:25<ubd>didnt worked
16:26<ochosi>imagine: i don't know for what exact purpose you want to use that script, but my friend used it to connect to his server and run a rsync-backup-script
16:26<Maulkin>Come on... dind't work? How?
16:27<ubd>maulkin: installation of nvdia kernel source failed. igning this package. maybe you need to addsomething to sources.list maybe the contrib and non free archives. "
16:27<ochosi>imagine: i don't claim to totally understand these lines (but that's also connected to my lack of knowledge if ssh), but there you go:
16:28<imagine>ochosi: awesome, I'll beable to find out if it's okay
16:28<imagine>for me
16:28<ochosi>imagine: good luck!
16:28<Maulkin>ubd: did you add contrib and non-free to your souces.list?
16:28<ubd>i think so
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16:28<ubd>deb testing main contrib non-free
16:28<imagine>ochosi: ty :)
16:29<Maulkin>and do apt-get update ?
16:29<Maulkin>(and it may be broken in testing)
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16:30<ubd>Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry non/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
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16:30<Maulkin>pastebin your sources.list somewhere
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16:31<themill>ubd: and don't use, use a proper mirror. /msg dpkg mirrors
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16:32<Maulkin>the second line should be non-free
16:32<Maulkin>not non free
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16:35<themill>ubd: you might consider switching from to
16:35<ubd>i did
16:35<ubd>and updated
16:35<ubd>but m-a still doesnt work
16:36<themill>ubd: can you elaborate? "doesn't work" isn't very helpful. What are you trying to do? What's the error message? etc
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16:37<ubd>sorry . i am tryin to install nvida drivers. i followed the wiki but stuck at the m-a auto install
16:37<Maulkin>did you change "non free" to "non-free" ?
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16:37<ubd>yes maulkin
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16:38<ubd>there should be a nvidia package right?
16:38<themill>ubd: not for lenny. check the section on the debian wiki about the nvidia drivers and lenny
16:38<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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16:38<themill>ubd: ^^
16:39<ubd>well then
16:39<ubd>i have to add etch to sources and force install?
16:40<themill>ubd: no, set a lenny/sid mix to pull the appropriate package(s) from sid.
16:41<ubd>allright thanks ill try
16:43<Maulkin>Or just use nv
16:43<themill>That would be the path of least resistance. Or use etch.
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16:48<aFlag>you can just download the binaries from nvida and install them with nvidia's script
16:48<ubd>well auto install run but failed. log file says nothing so i give up. thanks for helping
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16:56<ubd>i dont think i can manage that aFlag :)
16:56<aFlag>how come?
16:56<ubd>im n00b
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16:58<themill>!why nvidia installer sucks
16:58<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES.
16:58<themill>aFlag: ^^
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16:58<themill>ubd: The question has to be asked, then, why are you running testing and not stable?
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17:01<dkr>the cool kids are doing it?
17:01<aFlag>themill, you can uninstall it if you're going to upgrade your X
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17:01<themill>aFlag: yeah... that's a great solution :(
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17:03<ubd>the mill i installed testing mistakenly instead of sid
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17:03<ubd>i wanted to have latest kernel in order to make my wireless work
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17:05<themill>ubd: well you definitely don't want sid. Sid is the broken version of debian and not designed to be used, particularly by new users. "Etch" is what you are after. You can also run etch with the latest kernel; you don't need to upgrade the entire distro just to get a newer kernel.
17:05<ubd>no one told me that before!
17:07<lupine_85>you can always backport bits and pieces from sid if you /need/ them
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17:08<Supaplex>themill: there's a contoversy here... the nvidia-kernel-source says to also file bugs upstream (borderline policy vio) - but upstream only supports issues on their existing release. How can we take the upstream release and beat it into shape/submission so everything's happy in the long run?
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17:08<Supaplex>I'm not oppose to repacking it by hand, as long as I know how, and it's predictable
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17:09<themill>Supaplex: yeah.... nvidia is a pita.
17:09<ubd>ok then is it possible for me install etch with my lenny cd
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17:10<lupine_85>ubd: not reallty
17:10<Supaplex>ubd: try expert install. the etch netinst is small, so it's not hard to download.
17:10<ubd>lupine if i install only testing base
17:10<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
17:10<ubd>then edit sources to fetch from etch
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17:11<ubd>that would work right
17:11<Supaplex>ubd: are you using testing only for a kernel?
17:11<Supaplex>see what dpkg just said about bobbitt
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17:12<ubd>well i got wrong kernel..
17:12<ubd>i need a kernel 2.6.23+
17:12<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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17:14<ubd>i have no blank cds
17:14<ubd>why did you answered no Supaplex
17:15<Supaplex>!tell ubd -about bobbitt
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17:15<jpmaiden>alguien me puede ayudar porfavor??
17:15<Supaplex>this is the THIRD time I've referenced that. you're comingling branches. it might work on a limited basis, but it's very uncertian territory very quickly
17:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:16<noble->wrong channel maybe, but how do I start infobot without it dropping into the consle in the shell, I just want to run it in the background, it closes if I close the shell
17:17<ubd>im sorry i didnt realized bobbitt was for me
17:17<themill>noble-: nohup can do that for you
17:17<Supaplex>ubd: no harm done :)
17:17<noble->themill: thanks
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17:20<noble->themills: that didn't work, now it's running in /dev/null and I can't even kill the process, haha
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17:22<ubd>something is weird. i have to accept a certificate and login on https to be able to reach internet via schools lan. however linux bypasses it.
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17:23<Supaplex>noble-: screen :)
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17:23<JoshOvki>hi, can i get any help with nepenthes?
17:23<JoshOvki>not sure if it will be supported under debian or a different channel
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17:23<Supaplex>it's greek to me. is it a debian package?
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17:24<JoshOvki>Supaplex: yes its a honeypot program
17:24<Supaplex>ouu interesting
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17:25<JoshOvki>im getting an error that i cant seem to get rid of: [ crit mgr ] Compiled without support for capabilities, no way to run capabilities
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17:28<ubd>well if you compiled it without support for capabilities theres no way to run capabilities :P
17:29<JoshOvki>that makes sence ;)
17:29<JoshOvki>im going to try download a newer version
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17:37<JoshOvki>configure: error: libcurl curl-config was not found in PATH
17:38<JoshOvki> any advice?>
17:38<Mr-R>JoshOvki: "aptitude install libcurl-dev"?
17:39<Mr-R>JoshOvki: i am not sure...
17:39<Supaplex>uninstall nepenthes ; apt-get build-dep nepenthes
17:39<themill>JoshOvki: apt-file is your friend.
17:39<Supaplex>eg, apt-file search bin/curl-config
17:39<JoshOvki>the version i installed over apt is not the most recent version
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17:39<Supaplex>uninstall it, and uninstall the apt version too
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17:40<JoshOvki>ok, i shall do that now
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17:40<Supaplex>your package management will thank you for the clean env. it's a welcome mat for the new version :)
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17:41<Supaplex>long time ago I had two different releases of perl installed (one via apt, and an alternate in /usr/local) - it was a challenge to keep them both in line. (I had a reason to have both, but that was years ago)
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17:42<themill>Supaplex: nothing like creating a rod for your own back ;(
17:42<JoshOvki>ok nepenthes is totaly removed now
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17:42<Supaplex>apt-get build-dep nepenthes will install most all of the builddeps for you
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17:43<JoshOvki>ahha, thank you
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17:58<tiago>can anyone help me suspend my laptop?
17:58<tiago>everytime I do it, when I resume it, the screen is blank
17:58<Supaplex>how are you suspending it?
17:58<tiago>I know it's something on the X server...
17:58<tiago>through ACPI
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17:59<Mr-R>urx. wrong window. :)
18:00<Supaplex>cool. aptitude supports -t? :)
18:00<Supaplex>tiago: I use sudo powersave -m
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18:01<tiago>I used a script
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18:01<tiago>it was posted on
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18:02<Mr-R>tiago: did you try hibernate?
18:03<Supaplex>oh, and this is for my desktop.
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18:03<tiago>no, I didn't
18:04<tiago>I can't find the command to do it
18:04<Mr-R>tiago: aptitude install hibernate :)
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18:06<tiago>it's already installed xD
18:07<Aleric>Is filesystem one or two words?
18:10*Supaplex downloads 434mb of deps to backport gnash
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18:12<Supaplex>Aleric: firefox thinks it's two words.
18:13<Aleric>'k, thanks
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18:16<Supaplex>you'd think build-essential would be a build-dep :P
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18:33<OdyX>Does one know how to directly install grub-pc with debian-installer
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18:39<debacle>How can i install connlimit module in ipfilter ? i'm using lenny but iptables can't find the module.
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18:41<debacle>can anyone help me please ?
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18:44<cristianodj>I have problems with my sound card, anyone can help me?
18:45<Supaplex>debacle: does /lib/iptables/ exist?
18:46<Supaplex>cristianodj: we're here to help. 'problem' is too vague though.
18:46<Supaplex>!tell cristianodj -about ask
18:46<Supaplex>OdyX: #debian-boot might know more (it's up their ally)
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18:47<debacle>Supaplex: no. there isn't. :-(
18:47<panagos>is there an irc channel for kmail?
18:48<panagos>basically, does anyone know how i can forward an email as attachment with kmail, but with from:/to: headers stripped?
18:49<themill>panagos: that's not forwarding the email. That's sending an edited copy of an email. If you press Shift+F then you can do that.
18:49<debacle>Supaplex: can i install it in some way ?
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18:50<lupine_85>panagos: #kde on freenode?
18:50<cristianodj>My sound doesnt work, I am running Debian Etch 2.6.18-6-486 and the output of 'lspci | grep Audio' : nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
18:50<Supaplex>debacle: use apt-file to find it
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18:50<Supaplex>!don't work
18:50<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
18:50<lupine_85>cristianodj: does `aplay -l` as root show a sound device?
18:50<Supaplex>cristianodj: did you try <alsa> ?
18:51<cristianodj>I have tryed alsaconf
18:51<panagos>what is better practice/netiquette/etc? forwarding as an attachment or inside the mail's body?
18:51<lupine_85>panagos: doubt it matters much
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18:51<lupine_85>as long as it's plaintext :)
18:52<debacle>Supaplex: bash: apt-file: command not found
18:52<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
18:52<cristianodj>aplay -l didnt work
18:52<lupine_85>!don't work
18:52<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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18:53<themill>panagos: forwarding as an attachment is becoming more common as it reduces the likelihood of people editing other's words before forwarding the message. It also behaves better with digital signatures.
18:53<Supaplex>cristianodj: is the command there? did it print an error?
18:53<lupine_85>does it say 'no sound cards found..." ?
18:53<gsimmons>debacle: See Debian bug #439213.
18:54<cristianodj>card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: HDA Generic [HDA Generic]
18:54<panagos>themill: but kmail will include a bunch of headers together with the forwarded email in the attachment :/ (such as from/to headers)
18:54<cristianodj>subdevices 1/1
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18:55<lupine_85>that's dine
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18:55<lupine_85>congratulations, you have sound. now try aplay -l as a user
18:55<lupine_85>(normal user, i.e. non-root)
18:56<themill>panagos: it forwards the message in its entirety, yes. That is what is increasingly considered to be "forward". If you want to edit the message then use forward as inline message (Shift+F)
18:56<cristianodj>same thins
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18:57<lupine_85>cool. now, what programs are you trying to play sound from?
18:57<panagos>but if i forward it as an attachment, and the receiver does the same, etc, etc, the result will be an ever growing chain of attachments, am i right?
18:58<cristianodj>I tryed Totem, but Totem close without any error message
18:58<silentassumptions>audacious :D
18:58<lupine_85>cristianodj: just for kicks, try xmms with the alsa plugin
18:59<lupine_85>also, are esd or arts(d) running?
18:59<themill>panagos: that's often the idea. forwarding is about passing the message on with a record of who else has seen it. Think of this in the office paradigm of passing around memos.
19:00<cristianodj>I dont know how to view
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19:00<lupine_85>ps aux |grep esd; ps aux |grep arts
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19:04<cristianodj>arts and esd arent running
19:06<themill>cristianodj: what does this do: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
19:07<internat85>so this is probably slightly offtopic, but im playing arorund with encyrption, and am trying to work out what a specific type of encrption is. any ideas on how to look it up? Maybe some webpage that you can encrypt a password and it presents it in different wyas?
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19:08<themill>!tell jonathon about msg
19:08<jonathon>i just install debian from netinst cd and choose all the packages... i can't ssh to this computer tho from my other computer on the network
19:08<cristianodj>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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19:09<cristianodj>aplay: main:550: audio open error: device or resource busy
19:10<cristianodj>the xmms say that my sound card is properly configured, I have selected the right plugin and no other program is blocking the sound
19:11<cristianodj>maybe not with these words, but my system is portguese here
19:11<themill>jonathon: ssh won't be installed unless you "aptitude install openssh-server openssh-client"
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19:20<wnd>for once I'm glad I have not been able upgrade my server's kernel to whatever the latest kernel in stable is. 2.6.8 is not vulnerable to this vmsplice exploit. I wonder what else lurks in 2.6.8 though.
19:23<jonathon>it working now thanks themill
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19:25<debacle>Supaplex: apt-file installed and updated but no connlimit module is available
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19:26<debacle>gsisgsimmons: so it seems that it has been fixed in 4.0.1. How can i obtain it ?
19:27<debacle>gsimmons: so it seems that it has been fixed in 4.0.1. How can i obtain it ?
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19:33<somae7>how can I change the name of a directory named "personal data" (2 separate words)?
19:33<azeem>somae7: personal\ data
19:33<weasel>somae7: or put it in quotes
19:33<weasel>somae7: just like you did right here
19:33<debacle>mv "personal data" what_you-want
19:35<somae7>this is on a rwcd that was created by cd/dvd creator
19:35<debacle>so ... there is no way to add connlimit module to iptables ?
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19:37<somae7>debacle: was that to me? I don't know what those things are
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19:38<debacle>somae7: no ... it was a previous discussion with board-guys
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19:39<gsimmons>debacle: Either wait for 'iptables' 1.4.0-2 to enter testing or backport this package to your system.
19:39<somae7>is there a way to change the name of the directore that cd/dvd creator creates?
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19:40<debacle>gsimmons: to enter or not to enter this is the problem ... i'm on a production server an iptables is an important piece of this host.
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19:41<debacle>gsimmons: i think i 'll do ... THANKS for your help and time !
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19:47<somae7>I'm trying to format a rwcd but cd/dvd creator named the cd "personal data" and put it in /media - cdrwtool gives "set_options" "can't unlock door"
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19:49<somae7>(cdrwtool -d /media/"personal data" -q)
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20:13<duygu>hello hi
20:13<duygu>good evening
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20:28<noble->What do I edit to make it where users on my system can't use certain commands? like 'who' or 'wget', etc?
20:30<azeem>noble-: eh, that'd be difficult
20:30<noble->difficult never stopped me before, until I gave up.. hah
20:31<azeem>noble-: well, you can remove the o+x permissions from those files, blocking them for everybody except root (and the group=
20:31<azeem>but then, how do you block them from downloading that executable from elsewhere?
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20:34<azeem>it probably depends whether you want to avoid stupid users making mistakes
20:34<azeem>or really block those
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20:37<razed>Quick question. I have an SSH server set up so I can use the internet at work without having them log where I go & how often. This server is on my debian box at home, networked to my windows PC. I'm wondering if I can use this SSH tunnel to get files from the home windows PC & transfer them to my work PC (windows as well).
20:37<razed>I've done a little research & it's led me to Samba... am I headed in the right direction?
20:37<razed>(I'm very new to linux, sorry if this is a newbie question)
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20:59<witte>razed: yes, you can mount the windows disk using samba (which is windows networking)
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20:59<witte>razed: once you have done that, you can access those files using ssh (it will look like any mounted hard disk)
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21:00<witte>razed: but you might consider buying a network storage device to safe on your electricity bill :-)
21:01<razed>hehe Thanks
21:03<razed>I'll keep looking into it, then. I'll probably be back in a day or two to bug you with more questions. :)
21:04<witte>and look especially at the part Mounting Samba Directories in Linux
21:04<razed>Sweet. Thanks!
21:04<Aleric>I found a random file on the net: does this mean there is some normally accessible information on linux? The keywords are probably "docbook" and "journal-api"...
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21:19<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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21:28<alaya>it is good
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21:39<Hectron>anyone can help with a problem with CUPS?
21:40<Hectron>I installed the debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
21:40<Hectron>If I try to setup my printer and I select CUPS I get a message
21:40<Hectron>ERROR-KDE Control module
21:41<Hectron>Unable to retreive the printer list. Error message received from manager
21:42<Hectron>Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error localhost: read failed(14)
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21:44<Hectron>Anyone can help or knows how to solve the problem?
21:45<Hectron>Anyone in this room?
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21:47<aFlag>have you installed cups?
21:47<Hectron>I dont know how to do it. I nstalled cupsys
21:48<Hectron>cupsys-client, cupsomatic-ppd
21:48<Hectron>cupsys-bsd, cupsys-driver-gimpprint
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21:48<Hectron>pnm2ppa, xpp, gs, hpijs
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21:49<Hectron>foomatic-db, foomatic-bin
21:50<aFlag>Hectron, if you try to access http://localhost:631/ do you see cups interface?
21:50<Hectron>foomatic-filters-ppds, libcupsimage2
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21:50<Hectron>No, it says Could not connect to host localhost (port 631)
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21:51<aFlag>try sudo dpkg-reconfigure cupsys
21:52<Hectron>I download a package named sudo dpkg-reconfigure cupsys?
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21:53<Hectron>do I get it at
21:53<aFlag>no, as root you run dpkg-reconfigure cupsys
21:53<aFlag>and see if there's some option to enable the daemon or something like that
21:55<Hectron>ok, I will try it. Thanks a lot
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21:57<aFlag>if nothing works you can run "invoke-rc.d cupsys start" and see if it starts ok
21:57<Hectron>Ok. I will try. I thought that the main install would take care of those things
21:58<aFlag>if it does you can take a look at update-rc.d manual to see how to set up so it loads at boot time. The configuration script should take care of all that, though
21:58<aFlag>dpkg-reconfigure calls the package's configuration script
21:59<Hectron>When I was usink Knoppix, I could easily configure my printer; but it is a live CD and I wanted to install one as a permanent OS
21:59<Hectron>so the one who could be ionstalled was the <Hectron> anyone can help with a problem with CUPS?
21:59<Hectron>[20:40] #debian: <Hectron> I installed the debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
21:59<Hectron>[20:40] #debian: <Hectron> If I try to setup my printer and I select CUPS I get a message
21:59<Hectron>[20:40] #debian: <Hectron> ERROR-KDE Control module
21:59<Hectron>[20:41] #debian: <Hectron> Unable to retreive the printer list. Error message received from manager
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22:01<Hectron>so the only problem I have now is with the printer
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22:03<Azzco>I've got a working linux enviroment. I'm trying to install debian with the netinst CD, but it doesn't recognise my network at all. Could I rip the network from my working install?
22:04<yangsx>anyone know what is the algorithm to convert WEP ASCII to WEP hex?
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22:05<yangsx>or is networkmanager's WEP passphrase equivalent to WEP ASCII?
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22:06<Hectron>Thanks a lot for the help aFlag. I will leave now.
22:06<yangsx>I'm trying to use iwlwifi but failed at encryption
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22:13<chantanito>hi, i'm havin' some problems with my web cam
22:13<chantanito>it's a 05a9:2640 OmniVision Technologies, Inc
22:13<chantanito>i've already installed the module linux-uvc
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22:14<izua>hi there, i have a problem (or maybe i don't get it) editing a second panel in kde
22:14<izua>basically, i added another panel that has the taskbar and the multiple desktop thing.
22:15<izua>i want it to autohide and make it less tall. but when i click configure, the screen that pops up modifies the original (bottom) panel
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22:15<izua>if i right click, configure on the bottom panel, the configure screen still modifies the bottom panel.
22:15<izua>how can i modify the secondary (top) panel?
22:15<izua>i added it with add new panel -> panel
22:16<chantanito>and when i try to Test it, it says Video for Linux (v4l): Couldn't get/set the adjustments in/of the recurse
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22:50<Enfi|ade>I have this line in both .bashrc and .bash_profile but it seems to have no effect: alias ls='ls -lh --color=auto'
22:50<Enfi|ade>Any ideas why?
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22:53<Enfi|ade>Hrmm, it works if I run bash after logging in
22:53<Enfi|ade>I'll try setting the login shell for the user...
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23:32<kop>Anybody know how to make PDFs from XML docbook documents? passivetex is no longer in etch, so xmlto won't work. And docbook-utils jw program does not support XML. Is there anything that converts XML to SGML so jw will work?
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23:59<dpkg>[inspiron] 8000/8100 guide to debian:
23:59<mike1980>!inspiron 8500
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