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00:11<keratacon>How can I change which window manager comes up with startx (I've disabled gdm at startup)
00:11<keratacon>or should I be using another command to start X?
00:12<keratacon>(My w.m. of choice is Window Maker)
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00:21<Nemoder>keratacon: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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00:22<jobey5000>oh man do i need help here.
00:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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00:24<jobey5000>Ok, here is my problem. I made a debian network install CD, but i couldn't find my network cord, so i just installed a basic system. but now that i have the network cord is there an easy way to finish the full installation?
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00:25<Xenguy>jobey5000: I think you need to configure /etc/network/interfaces file...
00:25<Xenguy>jobey5000: depending on whether it is static IP, or DHCP
00:25<Xenguy>jobey5000: to get networking going
00:25<jobey5000>i've been playing around with apt-get, but i have no idea what i'm doing from command prompt, I am so used to having a desktop that I'm out of touch
00:26<Xenguy>jobey5000: no worries, just figure out which packages you need, then use 'apt-get' or similar tools
00:26<Nemoder>jobey5000: try running aptitude instead
00:26<Xenguy>jobey5000: that would be the 'apt-get vs. aptitude' religious war :-)
00:27<jobey5000>what does aptitude do?
00:27<Xenguy>jobey5000: similar things to apt-get :p
00:27<Nemoder>it's a text mode gui for apt
00:28<jobey5000>Well, last time i used my network install CD I downloaded 669 packages for gnome, this time, seeing as how i didn't have a network i only installed 8 packages and the base system.. is there an easy way to get the other 691 packages?
00:29<jobey5000>er, 661 rather
00:29<Nemoder>jobey5000: I would suggest either running aptitude or tasksel
00:29<Nemoder>tasksel will let you choose simple things like "desktop system", aptitude will let you browse through individual packages
00:30<jobey5000>can either of these be run by an uber-newb? all i ever needed to use the command line for in gnome was sudo and make,
00:30<jobey5000>tasksel it is.
00:31<ranix>man it's been so long since I was lost like that
00:31<jobey5000>Thanks. I'll go try that and come back if i run into network issues. I really appreciate it.
00:31<ranix>I don't know what to do with a gui these days
00:32<jobey5000>wait, do i need any arguments for tasksel?
00:32<Nemoder>just run it logged in as root
00:32<Nemoder>or via sudo if sudo is properly configured
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00:33<oddtod>hey guys i ws wondering if any one has delt with hosting the install files so local computers can install with just a netinstall cd or business card install cd?
00:34<ranix>oddtod: a http mirror works fine
00:34<ranix>oddtod: or ftp
00:34<Nemoder>oddtod: apt-cacher
00:35<oddtod>no i'm looking to host the install files so my local machines don't have to go to the net to grab the files
00:35<oddtod>i know its doable with TFTP just wondering if any one could point me in the right direction
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00:36<Nemoder>apt-cacher is a proxy that stores all the downloaded files locally
00:36<ranix>I don't understand the problem
00:37<ranix>just make a local mirror of the package repository
00:37<oddtod>ok you connect to a mirror i'm looking to mirror the files locally
00:37<Nemoder>locally for each machine?
00:37<Nemoder>or can they fetch over LAN?
00:38<ranix>it's gonna be large if you want your own mirror of all the packages in a distribution, oddtod
00:38<oddtod>i'm looking for them to fetch over lan
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00:38<ranix>17 cds worth iirc
00:38<Nemoder>then yeah I'd say apt-cacher is what you want
00:38<oddtod>i have all the DVD's
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00:38<oddtod>but mostly only need the first cd stuff
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00:41<jobey5000>Ok guys, What do i do to update the possible tasks in tasksel? because when i run it the only coices i have are laptop and to start aptitude.
00:42<jobey5000>so how do i make it do the whole desktop environment thinggy?
00:44<Nemoder>I thought it always listed the others, not sure why it wouldn't
00:44<peterS>jobey5000: simple answer is 'aptitude install gnome' but I don't know why tasksel wouldn't also have that
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00:44<jobey5000>after the net install CD asked me what mirror to use, I had alot of options for install types, but this last time, because i didn't have a mirror it only gave me the choices of laptop and standard.
00:45<jobey5000>aptitude install gnome, got it. I'll be right back. that will both download and install gnome?
00:48<jobey5000>couldn't find any packages "gnome".. is this a sources.list problem?
00:48<jobey5000>0B downloaded, 0B installed
00:49<Nemoder>try: aptitude update
00:49<jobey5000>I have to climb four stories of stairs each time, guess it was time to lose weight anyhow.
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00:58<jobey5000>I got nothing.
00:59<Nemoder>well it's probably fixable editing the config but you may be better off just reinstalling at this point
00:59<jobey5000>four lines of CDROM this NETINSTALL that, type aptitude install gnome again and got the same answer. How do i make sure im connected to the network and am updating from a mirror?
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01:00<jobey5000>reinstall it is.
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01:07<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:13<dondelelcaro>jobey5000: uh... reinstall is never the answer.
01:13<dondelelcaro>(well, almost never)
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01:13<dondelelcaro>jobey5000: if you're totally lost, show us the output of apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy gnome;
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01:15<Nemoder>dondelelcaro: he has to run up and down 4 flights of stairs, I figured it would save him the heart attack :P
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01:16<ramisi>moin moin
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01:22<jobey5000>Ok, i started the reinstall....
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01:24<jobey5000>the thing is, i lied before about not having a network cord, i just couldn't connect to any mirrors, even though it autoconfigred just fine. IT told me it was a problem with my ethernet jack in my dorm room, so they replaced it today... but now, it still autoconfigures the DHCP fine, but i still cant connect to any mirrors.
01:24<jobey5000>my system being a Dell Demention 2400 with a pentium 4. any ideas?
01:26<Nemoder>you can check the output of ifconfig to see if it has been assigned an address
01:26<Staz>DHCP provided you with nameservers too?
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01:26<jobey5000>yeah like dorms.iowawester.ia.crazyshit or somthin
01:27<jobey5000>so it WORKS.... sorta
01:27<dondelelcaro>jobey5000: what does console 4 say about the network?
01:27<jobey5000>I can't check anything because I am running the network install CD
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01:27<jobey5000>i have no idea what console 4 is
01:28<dondelelcaro>jobey5000: the network install cd has two consoles, and full debugging output on console four. You hit ctrl-alt-F4 to visit it.
01:28<dondelelcaro>(or tty4)
01:28<jobey5000>I.... just..... want.... to look.... at porn.... without paying microsoft for it.
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01:28<dondelelcaro>so if you're having a serious problem with your network and you can't figure it out, just use the full first CD to install, and you'll have enough stuff installed to debug it
01:29<jobey5000>I just had the full CD installed, but I'm such a newb at command line i couldn't get it done.
01:29<jobey5000>console 4.. I'll go check
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01:36<jobey5000>console 4 was all like "failed to fetch" this and "file does not exist" that and "your a stoopid newb" and so on.
01:38<jobey5000>and console was said it was unable to reach the mirror, yadda yadda. when i reconfigure my network hardware it asks me if i want to type any cary linuxy shit in, and its all "for example, type this crazy shit if you have a dell laptop"
01:39<jobey5000>I have a dell 2400 pentium 4.. do i need to type any crazy linux stuff in there because of that?
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01:42<Nemoder>I'm not sure what the limitations of the debug console are but on an installed system you can use commands like lspci, lsmod, and ifconfig to see what hardware/drivers/ip you have
01:42<jobey5000>dell demention 2400
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02:15<jobey5000>ok, if i have a scratch on my CD would that make the mirrors in accessable? because ive tried three differant towers and it always hangs on "scanning the mirror"
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02:55<avtobiff>hai UniesCR7
02:56<avtobiff>bye UniesCR7
02:58<devil_>UniesCR7: what are you querying and dccing me for?
03:03<devil_>UniesCR7: stop it! now
03:05<devil_>UniesCR7: this is #debian, not #dating
03:05<devil_>can someone please kick UniesCR7
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03:06<devil_>UniesCR7: stop it!
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03:07<aptituz>devil_: I think there is no need to repeat yourself. Feel free to ignore him, everybody in here now knows whats up with him.
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03:24<Christmas>true he did the same with me
03:25<Christmas>what's next? flooding?
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03:28<rame> hi..i want to know the package responsible for creating "root" password during installation..any suggestions..?
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03:30<sep>rame, you allready asked, and got an answer in debian-boot. dont be so impatient
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04:17*msa hello where can i get specific help due to a problem with per-user smarthost configuration?
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04:25<JustSoul>* day
04:25<JustSoul>Where I can take help in samba quiestions?
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04:27<dfornett>hello world!!
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04:28<Torsten_W>JustSoul: join to
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04:29<JustSoul>Torsten_W: it is a dead channel (now), or (3-4 last days) nobody can help me there
04:30<Torsten_W>JustSoul: dead channel with 109 people inside?
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04:31<JustSoul>Torsten_W: yes
04:32<JustSoul>max, that I see there, is 3-4 ones talking
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04:47<tralep>join/msg dpkg etch->lenny
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05:02<JustSoul>Where I can ask winbind questions?
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05:25<giovanni>Hi there
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05:25<giovanni>How do you make kmail group the threads?
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05:47<Tydor>i can't watch videos in youtube, don't have any error message....only a white space....
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05:54<Seek>guten morgen zusammen
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06:06<stevecotton>Tydor - I download them with the "clive" package, then watch it with xine.
06:08<Tydor>stevecotton: the name of program is "clive"?
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06:13<stevecotton>Tydor - both the package and the program are called "clive". There's also "youtube-dl" which does the same.
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06:15<Tydor>but i saw now....none flash website work....any flash aplication don't work....
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06:15<pleb2>Hey all
06:15<Tydor> about:plugins, say " plugin flash ---- swf ---- active"
06:15<stevecotton>that's for playing them outside Mozilla. I don't use the Mozilla plugin.
06:16<pleb2>Am i right in thinking that if i want to install cinelerra i need to have SID, and it wont work with ETCH?????
06:16<stevecotton>clive / youtube-dl are for playing them outside Mozilla. I don't use the Mozilla plugin.
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06:16<Tydor>stevecotton: see sites with flash outside mozilla?
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06:21<pleb2>Am i right in thinking that if i want to install cinelerra i need to have SID, and it wont work with ETCH?????
06:24<nowhere_man>are there cinelerra packages?
06:24<pleb2>i have added a repository
06:25<pleb2>deb ./
06:25<pleb2>when tryiong to install it says that dependant files are not available
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06:26<pleb2>can we join the #flood room and i'll paste what it says there
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06:26<pleb2>says invite only
06:26<nowhere_man>FWIW, has a cinelerra that depends on testing packages
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06:26<nowhere_man>pleb2: use a pastebin
06:27<pleb2>oki :)
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06:28<pleb2>posted it on pastebin
06:28<pleb2>i can see what its saying, i have an older version of the libfiles it needs, and when i try to use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade it says im already at the most upt to date
06:28<pleb2>is there anyway of getting those lib files without wipeing and installing SID?
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06:38<Gekz>is there a good clean way to install vmware server in debian?
06:38<Gekz>I know there's vbox, qemu, bochs, etc, but I need vmware server :s
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06:39<pleb2>Can i upgrade from my stable Etch system to the testing system again, and do i just need to change my apt/sources list to say "testing main" ??? or will it destroy everything? :P
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06:39<JustSoul>hi, Where I can find changelog for cifs-module(kernel) or Where I can find source of cifs v1.45 ?
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06:44<gsimmons>Gekz: You might be interested in 'vmware-package', at least WRT lenny/sid.
06:44<gsimmons>!tell Gekz -about vmware-package
06:44<Gekz>thanks :)
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07:18<yangsx>hello, my mouse cursor occasionally gets frozen when running kvm, probably because not enough physical memory, what is the best method to restart it besides restarting X?
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07:21<sep>yangsx, i use something like modpobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse (if it's a ps/2 conencted mouse)
07:21<yangsx>of course, I came across other cases when mouse gets frozen and probably died in KDE when running memory-consuming applications
07:22<yangsx>sep: it's a laptop with touchpad
07:23<yangsx>sep: still no luck, though
07:23<sep>yangsx, try. either thatone or usbmouse
07:24<sep>might be that x have lost it. and then you must restart x
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07:29<Ganneff>wii daba
07:29<Ganneff>lala. / helps
07:32<yangsx>even insert a usb mouse and modprobe usbmouse does not help
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07:34<pleb2>Can i upgrade from my stable Etch system to the testing system again, and do i just need to change my apt/sources list to say "testing main" ??? or will it destroy everything? :P
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07:36<pleb2>What would happen if i then run apt-get update / upgrade
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07:36<pleb2>would my system fall over or would it happily update me to lenny?
07:36<bma>pleb2, you probably want to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
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07:37<pleb2>Bma yes, but there would be no severe problems with me doing that?
07:37<pleb2>Hurrar , i shalt upgrade now :D
07:37<pleb2>Thanks <3
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08:18<Franki>I want to open some file types with a specific decoding program when i open it with a pager (less, more...). How can I achieve this?
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08:18<mlody>hi all
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08:19<Franki>I mean, like when opening a gzip-compressed file with less, it automatically decompresses before
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08:23<gsimmons>Franki: WRT less, you can add user-defined filters to lesspipe, see its manual page for details.
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08:26<petemc>eval $(lesspipe) does pretty much the right ting
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08:45<ubuntu>tem algum br ae??
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08:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:46<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:46<ubuntu>join #debian-br
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08:46<lupine_85> /join
08:47<lupine_85>also, you want irc://
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08:57<kashogi>need help stting up ftp
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09:58<hector>hi there
10:00<hector>I'm compiling a new kernel for my debian lenny, and I don't know if I should use initramfs or not
10:00<hector>what's your choice?
10:01<hector>thanks in advance
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10:05<bma>hector, if you're compiling just a stock kernel, I always found it easier not to use an initramfs - just compile everything into the kernel itself. If you're doing a Debian kernel package, I'm not so sure.
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10:07<hector>I'm doing a kernel package, and I want a fast boot. I've read that is easier use initrams, and it permit use more things as modules, but I cannot find what's better for me :(
10:09<blarson>hector: not using initramfs will make boot slightly faster. Much more speedup is obtained by using dash as /bin/sh .
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10:11<ServerSide>Do anyone know lifetype?
10:12<hector>I haven't red about dash. I'm looking for info. Thanks blarson
10:12<lucas_amorim>hello, I was wondering if Debian developers had already predicted a date for release of Debian Lenny as stable. Anyone knows anything about this?
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10:13<locsmif>is apache 1.x no longer in testing?
10:13<locsmif>I don't see it mentioned in
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10:13<witte>lucas_amorim: i believe lenny will be released at the end of this year
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10:14<lucas_amorim>witte: thanks :) and how it will be called? 5.0?
10:14<witte>lucas_amorim: at least, it is scheduled for that, but usually these dates get delayed for an uncertain amount of time
10:14<lucas_amorim>witte: where can i see this schedule?
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10:14<witte>lucas_amorim: I don't think that is decided upon
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10:15<blarson>lucas_amorim: you could look at the topic for #debian-devel
10:16<witte>!when will lenny release
10:16<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see
10:17<lucas_amorim>thank you :)
10:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?
10:17<dpkg>i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
10:18<lucas_amorim>hum... :p
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10:19<tzafrir>how do I tell apt-get / aptitude to install unsigned packages in a non-interactive command?
10:20<tzafrir>I can't find a reference to that in a man page or in the apt configure-index
10:20<dpkg>methinks rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
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10:25<Zathras>hi. I Installed Zabbix server and agent (monitoring software). However in the webinterface the tab "auto discovery" is missing. Any one any idea about this?
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10:38<somerandomtroll>Does anybody know a good profiler for C?
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10:39<somerandomtroll>that is, not gprof
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10:46<noflash>somerandomtroll, tried #c ?
10:46<noflash>maybe on if it's quiet on this network
10:47<roi>sombody could give me a channels' list¿?
10:47<Supaplex>roi: /list
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11:30<Pulpie>some of the best distros suck because of freenode...
11:30<Pulpie>like arch...
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11:31<paistis>Pulpie: why freenode is such bad thing?
11:33<Pulpie>because most of the freenode ircops get into the conversations... they throw there two cent in knowing that someone will disagree with it...
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11:35<Pulpie>and of course they can talk and everything, but anytime you don't agree 100% with them on anything they go psyco and end up banning you...
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11:45<noble->debian support x64?
11:45<simonrvn>what is this x64 of which you speak?
11:45<noble->64 bit processors
11:46<simonrvn>several sub-arches
11:46<suiside>noble-: x86_64
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11:46<noble->I was just curious why this guy I know chose ubuntu over debian, then I remembered he was adamant about having a 64bit os
11:47<noble->I was gonna try to convert him, hehe
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11:50<simonrvn>ubuntu is a debian derivative, and doesn't support as many architectures, and debian has many more packages (even if you include 'universe')
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11:53<blarson>noble-: debian supports amd64
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11:54<noble->I always thought of ubuntu as the debian ripoff
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12:03<simonrvn>noble-: there are many that derive from debian, and are entirely separate distros. can give you an idea
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12:04<noble->I've read all those
12:04<noble->but thanks ;)
12:06<blackmouse>where coudl i go to find a hardware related channel?
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12:08<suiside>blackmouse: there's atleast a #hardware on freenode, can't say I'm familiar with the channel though
12:08<blackmouse>ok thanks
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12:19<simonrvn>blackmouse: it's ##hardware
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12:38<giovanni>hi guys
12:38<giovanni>do you know something about CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_FWMARK?
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12:43<brunner>hi all... I have an HTML file that I need to send as an email... any ideas as to the easiest way to accomplish this using Linux or Unix tools? (keep in mind that in order to send an HTML email, the headers have to be set accordingly, so I can't just paste it into the body in a normal email client, and most of the graphical editors won't allow you to "edit the source" in HTML mode)
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12:44<bma>brunner, you could do it using Mutt, I think - ISTR you can attach it, then change the content-type.
12:44<alaya>brunner: as attachment
12:45<alaya>brunner: if you're worried about it getting decoded, then just gzip it
12:45<brunner>alaya: I'm trying to simulate an email that goes out to our mailing list. I need it to be parsed by the recipient's client.
12:45<brunner>to see if it still generates errors
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12:46<alaya>i don't know how to manually set the mime, but many clients will probably just decode it automatically
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12:46<brunner>our moron webmaster is mailing out HTML email with a bit of javascript in it and it's causing problems (of course) for some of the people on the mailing list
12:46<brunner>it'll be sent to Outlook Express
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12:57<giovanni>guys, do you know what "behaving wrt" means?
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13:00<brunner>got it, thanks (mutt -e 'set content_type="text/html"' -s "subject" < index.html)
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13:13<kashogi>hello everyone neeed help with ftp
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13:23<Katherine>Hello alaya your is stupid and gay
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13:29<Guest75>hello, i want to install my boot-device on a extra partition, so i had create one with 50mb in ext2 format, but now the grub-installer said : " Format of install-device not recognised. can anybody help me?
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13:32<Zathras>Guest75, check format with: fdisk -l
13:32<Zathras>see how it recognises your /boot
13:32<Guest75>system linux
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13:33<Zathras>did you do an mkfs.ext on that partition?
13:33<Guest75>em..... how i wonder in this moment ...have i made the patition bootable?
13:34<Guest75>would be locical
13:34<Zathras>fdisk -l will reveil that too if I remember correctly
13:34<Guest75>or not
13:34<Guest75>and it isnt
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13:35<Guest75>so i open gparted an change the flag to boot?
13:36<Zathras>yes, or fdisk
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13:39<Guest75>mh, but not seems to be the problem.... but nice.... okay, the partition ist sda1 and i have typed : "grub-install --root-directory=/sda1 /sda" but then there is : mkdir: can not create directory /sda1/boot/ : file or directory not found
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13:40<donny_>hi all. is that local root in the vmsplice() fixed in the latest 386 kernel binaries in Etch?
13:40<weasel>the security update from monday closes them, yes.
13:41<donny_>weasel: thank you :)
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13:43<Guest75>@Zathras i would be happy, if you could help me... when i wont find a solution i will install the system with integrated bootloader, but i would to prefer the other option, because i want to probe different systems....
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13:47<Zathras>guest75 sda1 is a partition NOT a directory (or folder if you are into Windows)
13:48<Zathras>sou you either have to point to a DEVice such as /dev/sda1 or to a directory such as /
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13:50<Zathras>see for instrance:
13:50<Zathras> /sda is also something non existing. You probably want to use /dev/sda
13:50<Zathras>but I have to go now
13:50<Zathras>will be back
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13:51<Guest75>okay, have a nice time and thanks
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14:11<Supaplex>does bash have anything like perl has $| ?
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14:12<Xazax>i have some problem with debian i hope u can help me
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14:12<Supaplex>!tell Xazax -about ask
14:13<Pryon>Supaplex: the word "flush" doesn't seem to appear in the bash manpage, so probably not
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14:14<Xazax>so i installed the system sucsesfully but debian doesn't appear at the menu where i can choose operating system
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14:14<Xazax>i tryed install grub in rescure mode
14:15<Xazax>but it says critical error and failed
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14:16<Xazax>i'm using etch amd64
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14:18<witte>Xazax: can you bit more specific concerning "critical error"?
14:18<witte>s/you bit/you be a bit/
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14:19<Xazax>well i didn't write it down :S and i can't remamber but it says something like
14:19<Xazax>failed to write ... to the ...
14:19<KiteKat>does anyone know free erm software for linux ?
14:21<dkr>KiteKat: you can use aptitude or synaptic to browse through all the available software
14:21<witte>Xazax: sorry, don't know what that error could be
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14:21<dkr>or search
14:21<witte>Xazax: how far does the boot go? is it grub that hangs, or is it during boot of the kernel?
14:22<Xazax>same error if i don't give correctly the target hd
14:22<Xazax>but i think it is correct
14:22<Xazax>the grub
14:23<witte>Xazax: you can try some stuff in the grub shell, that is faster than each time rebooting and hoping you have it good that time
14:23<witte>Xazax: or you should give us the full error and the stage in which you are when you get it
14:24<Xazax>and how can i access the grub shell?
14:24<witte>Xazax: when you see the grub screen at boot, just press "e" I think
14:25<witte>Xazax: at least it is written in the grub boot screen
14:25<Xazax>ok i'll try thanks
14:25<witte>Xazax: try playing with /dev/hda => /dev/sda
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14:26<witte>Xazax: or (hd0,0) => (hd1,0), or things like that
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14:26<Xazax>i tryed already hd0,0 hd0,1 hd1,0 dh1,1
14:28<witte>Xazax: is it your only pc? or do you have an other one next to it?
14:28<Xazax>i have another one
14:28<witte>Xazax: otherwise you could go to the rescue mode, and we would possibly be able to give you better hints
14:29<Xazax>k i try it now
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14:46<witte>Xazax: ok, on which disk is your linux?
14:46<witte>Xazax: or better which partition
14:47<witte>Xazax: is that /dev/sda or /dev/hda?
14:47<Xazax>i think hda
14:47<witte>Xazax: are you in a chroot environment or just the rescue shell?
14:47<Xazax>sorry its first time installing debian :S
14:47<silent>sudo fdisk -l should print the partition info
14:47<Xazax>just rescue shell
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14:49<witte>Xazax: if you do "fdisk -l", which partitions are listed, and do you know on which one you installed the root system?
14:49<silent>it's usually listed as "Linux"
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14:49<witte>Xazax: it could be that you only have one if you did not put your /home or something else on an other disk
14:50<Xazax>sec i go to other comp
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14:51<Xazax>so write in shell fdisk -1?
14:52<Xazax>it write -1 is invaild option
14:53<witte>Xazax: -L
14:53<krakkajaxx>Xazax: sudo fdisk -l (as in lowercas L)
14:53<witte>Xazax: as krakkajaxx said ;-)
14:53<witte>Xazax: the sudo is probably not needed as you are root in rescue mode
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14:55<Xazax>it says can not open proc/partitions
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14:56<witte>Xazax: what does "mount" give?
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14:58<Xazax>dev/sda2 / type ext 3 ... i think this is what we want
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14:58<witte>Xazax: ok, that sounds reasonable, and on /dev/sda1 you have windows?
14:59<Xazax>and sda 3 is the swap partition
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15:00<witte>Xazax: could it be that you did enter in a chroot environment (as it is one of the choices when going into the rescue mode)
15:01<witte>Xazax: can you do "cat /etc/fstab", and tell us what is there?
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15:03<Xazax>something like: /dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults, erroros=remount-ro 0 1
15:04<witte>Xazax: ok, i think you are already in the chroot, that is good
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15:05<Xazax>k what's next?
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15:06<witte>Xazax: next to do is check the contents of file /boot/grub/ (cat /boot/grub/
15:06<witte>Xazax: it should state "(hd0) /dev/sda"
15:06<Xazax>(hd0) /dev/hda
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15:06<Xazax>(hd1) /dev/sda
15:07<witte>Xazax: ok, you have two disk in that machine, that makes it more interesting :-)
15:07<Xazax>yes and win and lin on the same
15:08<witte>next, check the file /boot/grub/menu.lst with cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:08<donny>i'm using autossh to create a reverse tunnel to my system at work so i can work for home. it's been working fine, but i need to reboot the system at work, and as it is, i had just typed the autossh command on the commandline, so it won't automatically run when i reboot it. what's the best way to have it run at startup?
15:09<Xazax>title Windows NT/2000/xp(loader)
15:09<Xazax>root (hd1,0)
15:10<Xazax>map (hd0) (hd1)
15:10<witte>it should contain something like
15:10<Xazax>and map (hd1) (hd0)
15:10<witte>Xazax: sigh, stupid windows (for those map things ;-))
15:11<Xazax>yes it's realy stranger
15:11<witte>Xazax: the kernel numbers will be different with you
15:11<Xazax>and how can i edit this list?
15:11<witte>but the root hd1,1 and the /dev/sda2 should be correct
15:12<witte>Xazax: what do you have there?
15:12<Xazax>and after the modification i can choose before the booting which one to use?
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15:14<witte>Xazax: in the root line and the kernel line
15:14<Xazax>root (hd1,0)
15:14<Xazax>and there is no kernel line :S
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15:15<witte>Xazax: but that was the line for windows, is there no linux entry?
15:15<Xazax>no there is no linux entry:S
15:15<witte>aha, ok :-)
15:15<Xazax>but when i installed the system and it asked for write in the list i chosed yes :S
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15:16<Xazax>an there is a comment or what
15:16<witte>Xazax: run "update-grub"
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15:17<Xazax>this is automatically added by the debian installer from the non- linux os
15:17<Xazax>on dev/sda1
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15:18<witte>cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:18<Xazax>now it shoud work?
15:18<witte>now the file should be adjusted
15:18<witte>if it is correct, we can install grub to the disk, and it should work
15:18<Xazax>now it should be ok
15:18<Xazax>i can see the linux entries
15:19<Xazax>try reboot
15:19<witte>grub-install /dev/sda
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15:20<Xazax>ok sec
15:20<witte>Xazax: and the entries, was it root (hd1,1) and /dev/sda2 as it should?
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15:23<witte>Xazax: andN
15:23<Xazax>grub install done
15:23<Xazax>now reboot?
15:23<witte>Xazax: ok, prepare for reboot :P
15:25<Xazax>not good:S
15:25<Xazax>if i choose debian
15:25<Xazax>no such partition
15:25<Xazax>if i choose windows
15:25<Xazax>it write GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB
15:25<Xazax>several times
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15:26<Xazax>and windows didn't boot :S
15:27<Xazax>but it hd1,1 and dev/sda2
15:27<witte>Xazax: ok, can you try some alternatives there
15:27<Xazax>grub-install /dev/sda or sda2 ?:S
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15:27<Xazax>i tryied with sda as u wrote
15:27<witte>Xazax: /dev/sda
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15:28<Xazax>ok soon i'll be again under chroot
15:28<witte>Xazax: it even could be /dev/hda, but i am not sure about that?
15:30<Xazax>i use hungarian my own language under resc mode
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15:30<Xazax>so which is the chroot
15:30<Xazax>the first or the second?
15:30<alexey>hi pplz
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15:31<witte>Xazax: that i do not know, i do not use the rescue mode regularry
15:31<Xazax>first is something like run shell here: dev/scsi/host0/bus/target0/...
15:31<alexey>waiting for root system problem?
15:32<Xazax>the second is something like run shell in installing or what enviorment
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15:32<Xazax>maybe the second whan is the chroot
15:32<witte>i think so
15:32<Xazax>but i was in the first one before :S
15:33<Xazax>now i'm in the second one
15:33<witte>Xazax: that could explain why it did not work :-)
15:33<Xazax>so again grub-update?
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15:34<witte>Xazax: yes, update-grub; grub-install /dev/sda
15:35<Xazax> /bin/sh: update-grub not found :S
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15:37<witte>Xazax: ah
15:38<Xazax>what to do?
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15:39<witte>Xazax: euhm, can you try "ls /sbin |grep grub"
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15:40<Xazax>nothing happend
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15:42<witte>Xazax: that means grub is not installed on your system
15:42<witte>can you try /sbin/ifconfig
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15:43<Xazax>again nothing happened:S
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15:44<witte>ok, can you press exit, and try the "install grub on disk" option in the rescue disk
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15:44<witte>and I have to leave, i have to prepare dinner for my girlfriend, and it is not the day to be to late with dinner ;-)
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15:45<Xazax>i have to reinstall then
15:45<witte>Xazax: normally not, you can in rescue mode reinstall grub alone
15:46<witte>if i am correct
15:46<witte>good luck in any case!
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15:53<mihau>how to make seperate screens?
15:53<mihau>i mean comp monitor + tv
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15:54<cold_apok>you must configure xorg
15:54<lumat>am I the only one whose iceweasel turned into a piece of crap?
15:54<cold_apok>i think
15:55<mihau>cold_apok: yea. i know, but when i have done it, system freezes after reboot, after 1-5 mins
15:56<lumat>crashes as soon as I call about:plugins (even without any installed and all extensions disabled)
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15:56<lumat>tried removing .mozilla and purge/reinstall
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15:57<mihau>better do add twinwiev ;p
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16:00<mihau>lumat: sry, thought you were talking about my probelm, bitdrunk, sry again ;p
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16:14<lumat> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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16:15<mihau>bb all
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16:16<jae>Any DHCP users here? My dhcp server logs a "host unknown" for the fixed-address host, but host(1) does resolve the name
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16:16<jae>Which changes the static lease into a dynamic one :(
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16:46<snakegreen>Доброго всем
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17:00<matt1606>hi, anyone here who had compiled new wersion of iwlwifi driver on linux-2.6.24?
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17:15<razed_>Hello... just testing out irssi. :)
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17:31<joyfulgirl>Hey folks...where would I check to see whether my time info. for the hardware clock is being stored in UTC or local time?
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17:33<dkr>joyfulgirl: use hwclock to read it as one or the other qnd see which one is right :)
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17:34<joyfulgirl>jkoenig: Sweet. So just to confirm, the fact that hwclock --show prints local time means it's local, huh?
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17:37<dkr>joyfulgirl: no
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17:38<dkr>if hwclock --show --utcshows correct localtime then bios clock is set to utc
17:38<dkr>and if hwclock --show --localtime shows incorrect localtime then bios clock is set to utc
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17:43<kop>joyfulgirl : FYI, the Debian installer question about local time is confusing. It's _appears_ to be asking whether the clock is keeping local time, but is _really_ asking if you _want_ the clock to keep local or UTC time.
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17:52<joyfulgirl>kop: Yeah, I've already got debian installed, but thanks nonetheless :-).
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17:53<dkr>it's still agood point. if you run hwclock to set the hwclock,it is now using whatever you set it with
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17:54<dkr>(which happens at system shutdown)
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17:56<joyfulgirl>dkr: Cool.
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18:13<scjp_>any oracle user here
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18:15<Pryon>what's your real question?
18:16<scjp_>Pryon, are you asking me ?
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18:18<zenithma1>quicky question
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18:20<zenithma1>how many packages does Debian Etch have?
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18:20<witte>zenithma1: about 18000, isn't that on the debian homepage?
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18:21<witte>18733, it is on
18:21<zenithma1>oh yeah
18:21<zenithma1>iit is a lot of packages
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18:24<huhlig>can anyone enlighten me as to installing debian on vmware6
18:24<Pryon>scjp_: Any chance you could paste the listener status?
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18:24<steven>im trying to install the new version of Compiz, and im reciveng the followin error
18:24<steven>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
18:24<steven>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
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18:24<steven>Alternatively, you may set the environment variables COMPIZ_CFLAGS
18:24<steven>and COMPIZ_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
18:24<steven>See the pkg-config man page for more details.
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18:36<c01100011>got stuck in winblows for a few months due to engineering software, project is done and I can fall back to my loved linux desktop, What's shiny, new, and likely to break my system ?
18:37<azeem>c01100011: there hasn't been a Debian release since
18:37<Xenguy>c01100011: you *want* breakage? :-)
18:37<c01100011>Xenguy, all good things come with a little breakage
18:37<steven>im trying to install the new version of Compiz, and im reciveng the followin error
18:37<Xenguy>c01100011: heh, well there's always sid of course
18:37<steven>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
18:37<c01100011>Xenguy, running it
18:37<steven>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
18:37<steven>See the pkg-config man page for more details.
18:37<steven>im trying to install the new version of Compiz, and im reciveng the followin error
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18:38<Xenguy>c01100011: have fun, I've retreated to stable due to hassles with nvidia drivers awhile back
18:38<Xenguy>c01100011: plus I no longer really enjoy breakage ;-)
18:40<see-g__>talking about breakage...
18:40<see-g__> hard drive's light is on ever since I moved to Debian a month ago (wow ;)), reducing my laptop's battery life from ~3 hours to ~1...
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18:41<c01100011>Think i need to pick up some new hardware, everything on this t60p is running smooth, Every Function key, hdaps, dual display,
18:41<see-g__>c01100011: try KDE4
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18:42*paradox_ is away: Gone away for now.
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18:42<Xenguy>remember: please turn off the auto-away stuff
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18:43<c01100011>see-g__, recomend it ? (haven't seen kde since a knoppix disk 3 years ago)
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18:44<see-g__>c01100011: I'm getting on with KDE3.5.whatever quite well and don't feel a need to have 4 yet
18:45<see-g__>though it might be interesting once I get fglrx back up and running, gives me a little eyecandy over those winXP-people (and tech-analphabets) I'm working with...
18:45<see-g__>...though the Release Notes said something about 4 being more than just eyecandy ;)
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18:47<see-g__>and there's been an exploit which any regular user can use to obtain root a couple of days ago
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18:48<Xenguy>see-g__: I think new kernels have been released to patch this (at least in stable)
18:48<c01100011>see-g__, I'm the only user and I am ballsy enough to run X in root
18:48<see-g__>Xenguy: yep, and like c01100011 I'm a bit lax about security
18:49<Xenguy>see-g__: but why, so easy to patch/update ?
18:50<see-g__>Xenguy: I don't have a clue if it was in the auto-update thingy
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18:52<c01100011> anything new in virtualization ? Been looking for a good way to run virtually run a phyiscal windows install
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18:53<scjp_>Pryon, how can i do that ?
18:53<scjp_>Pryon, I mean with which command
18:53<Xenguy>see-g__: sign up for the security-announce mailing list; and/or run this as a daily cron job: dselect update && apt-get upgrade -s
18:54<Xenguy>see-g__: shows what (if anything) needs updating via: apt-get upgrade
18:54<Xenguy>c01100011: virtualbox
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18:54<Xenguy>c01100011: there are packages available, works well for me
18:55<c01100011>last I checked it wouldn't run an existing windows install
18:55<scjp_>Pryon, command not found when i entered it !
18:55<Xenguy>c01100011: that's correct, you need to install other OS's as a virtual machine
18:55<c01100011>I want to run an existing install
18:56<c01100011>i've done it in vmware, but I want something open
18:56<Xenguy>c01100011: good luck then
18:56<c01100011>running the running operating system in Virtual is allways histerical
18:57<Xenguy>c01100011: prepending a nick is helpful for those (like myself) that are on a dozen channels :-)
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18:57<scjp_>Pryon, oh sorry i got the message
18:57<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
18:57<Xenguy>c01100011: virtual machines are fun, agreed
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18:59<Pryon>scjp_: It looks like you have a listener on port 1521 but you're attempting to connect to 6065
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19:00<scjp_>Pryon, i changed the default http port 8080 to 6065 while configuring and left 1521 listener port as it is
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19:04<scjp_>Pryon, anyhelp ?
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19:13<nslater>Hey, I'm packaging Planet Venus and wanted to know if there are any awesome Debian blogs I should include as the default RSS feeds?
19:14<nslater>planet debian?
19:14<nslater>does it make sense to include a planet within a planet for demo purposes or would that just confuse things? :p
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19:14<nslater>So far I have:
19:15<nslater>... that's it.
19:15<nslater>rss11? :)
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19:16<nslater>but yeah, good one
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19:18<nslater>nah, thats a little developer oriented...
19:18<Ganneff>yes, and?
19:18<nslater>... this is for regular debian users :)
19:18<Ganneff>so developers shouldnt install the package?
19:18<nslater>sure they can, but they can configure afterwards
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19:21<sward>I don’t really see a problem with including Planet Debian.
19:22<nslater>sward: because planet debian is another planet, so when the user has first run planet and is trying to figure out how the package works it might be confusing to see lots of different blog names when the config gile only has 4 subscriptions
19:23<nslater>I am really aiming for something that is small and simple but gives a flavour of how a real planet might look
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19:23<sward>A planet feed normally appears as a single “blog”
19:24<nslater>not really, it lists the blog names as well as the post
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19:24<sward>multiple authors, yes
19:24<sward>unless you use the OPML
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19:24<nslater>yes, so it might be confusing to see lots of authors when there are only 4 subscriptions
19:24<sward>in which case you really are looking at each feed seperately
19:24<nslater>well i disagree :p
19:25<sward>you always do, because you’re a moron :)
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19:25<nslater>byte me, file a bug when it's uploaded into unstable
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19:25*sward bytes nslater
19:25<Ganneff>you hope i accept it, missing the removals feed? :)
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19:26<nslater>Ganneff: I really shouldn't be including debian developer specific configurations in a general purpose package
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19:26<Ganneff>as if users wouldnt be affected by removals.
19:26<Ganneff>anyway, im off
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19:30<nslater>sward: i might play with it, it could work :p
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19:31<sward>As if you could produce anything :P
19:32<nslater>dont make me whip out my package status uri ;)
19:32<nslater>where are all your packages then, hmmmm? thought so
19:32<sward>The one that makes me laugh. That makes you so cool does it?
19:32<sward>Go away.
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19:33<nslater>no it doesnt make me cool, but its a reasonable response when someone says you never do anything
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19:34<sward>not really
19:35<nslater>why not? you think i should just shrug and say "you're right, i dont do anything"
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19:35<mattl>nslater: that'd be a start, sure.
19:35<sward>That’ll do.
19:35<nslater>you sir are clearly a moron
19:35<nslater>go away
19:35<nslater> /ignore sward
19:35<sward>I knew it. nslater ≡ ams
19:35<nslater>my secret identity
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19:36<Pryon>scjp_: can you paste the output of /sbin/ifconfig -at in the pastebin?
19:36<mattl>nslater: #debian-offtopic plz
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19:36<mattl>!ubuntu nslater
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19:37<nslater>i have a quick question to which im sure i wont get a sensible reply... but here goes
19:37<nslater>which of these would you consider preferable:
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19:37<nslater>name = Planet Example
19:37<nslater>link =
19:37<nslater>owner_name = Debian User
19:37<nslater>... or ...
19:37<nslater>name = Planet Example
19:37<nslater>link =
19:37<nslater>owner_name = Debian User
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19:43<sward>Is that meant to be a question for users?
19:44<nslater>yes, what would a user prefer, what is easiest to grok
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19:44<sward>Could try asking in #debian-something-more-relevant instead, though they might just laugh at you and just say it’s a matter of personal preference, and whichever you choose, someone will complain.
19:44<sward>I know I would.
19:44<noble->does mysql always require a passwd?
19:44<sward>Wait, I just did.
19:45<noble->guess not since I opened it without one
19:45<nslater>sward: are you done trolling yet?
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19:45<sward>That was trolling?
19:46<sward>Well, you did ask, and noone else bothered answering.
19:46<nslater>I was asking for help, to see what other people would prefer in a configuration file and you told me to ask in #debian-something-more-relevant
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19:48<sward>Different definition of trolling, I’d say. That was just plain dryness to me.
19:48<sward>It may even count as sarcasm, but I may be getting ahead of myself there.
19:49<nslater>00:38 < sward> I like poking him for the lulz
19:49<nslater>sure thing sward
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19:50<sward>Really, #debian is not the place to be bringing your personal grievances with me. Care to privmsg?
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20:04<frangel>hi everbody
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20:20<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if there was a package of network utilities that was a pretty good pack of utilities for network admins?
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20:22<noble->mysql is fun
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20:22<noble->if you like breaking things
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20:31<Wi_Fi>hello all
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20:42<dkr>chump_: you could use aptitude or synaptic and view available packages by category
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21:10<Steven-M>can anyone in help me with a voip program called twinkle?
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21:21<kalneth>hi guys! how are you doing...
21:22<kalneth>anypointers where will i start in creating a bbs server in debian?
21:22<kalneth>thank you so much for your help the last time. I was able to configure my file server
21:22<kalneth>it is up and running now...
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21:41<Steven-M>can anyone in help me with a voip program called twinkle?
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21:45<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:17<brif8>Anyone got an HP Pavilion M9040N working with Debian? I tried my usual (i386) netinstall CD and it does not detect the network card (From google searches) an Intel G33 onboard NIC ? Any advice for a newbie ?
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23:29<chump_>hey guys how would i gzip a file named random
23:31<enouf>to decompress? cd /dir ; gunzip -d ./random
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23:39<chump_>to compress
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23:40<chump_>i need to compress a file that was created with DD
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23:44<gef>gzip <filename>
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23:52<chump_>gef: how do i give it a file?
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23:53<gef>it will replace <filename> with <filename>.gz
23:53<chump_>what if i want to keep the original?
23:54<chump_>gef: waht if i want to keept he orignial?
23:54<simonrvn>pass it the right option
23:54<gef>gzip -c <filename> > output.gz
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23:55<gef>or something like that >> man gzip
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23:55<chump_>gef: thank you should i have a wierd out put while it does its work? because i was getting crazy list of symbols
23:55<chump_>yeah I tried using the man pages but they didn't help me much i didn't understand
23:55<gef>you probably missed the redirection ">"
23:56<gef>eg; gzip myfile > myfile.gz
23:56<gef>with the -c :/
23:56<chump_>gef: thanks thanks
23:56<chump_>gef: you're a big help
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