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00:43<Branden>NIte all, for real this time. XD
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00:44<vook>loong time no irc
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00:59<fernando>I am using Kopete and can not see webcam
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01:00<fernando>on configuration I see the image, but when i try to send or request my contact to accept video contact an empty window shows without image
01:01<fernando>can someone help?
01:02<fernando>I leave now
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01:15<JustSoul_Home>How to switch off "beep" (PC speaker) in linux?
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01:16<Supaplex>JustSoul_Home: modprobe -r pcspkr
01:16<Supaplex>!tell JustSoul_Home -about blacklist
01:17<Supaplex>or setterm -bfreq 0 or setterm -blength 0
01:17<rahuljk2002>hi i want my outging mails to get hold in hold queue in postfix 2.4
01:17<rahuljk2002>and local mails to get delivered
01:18<JustSoul_Home>Supaplex: thx
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01:21<rahuljk2002>is there any body to help me
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01:28<aurum>Hey, I just installed to an external HD but my BIOS doesn't give me the option to boat from a USB external on boot. Anyone know how i can fix this or if there's a CD boot program I could use?
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01:32<rahuljk2002>ki kettle
01:32<rahuljk2002>hi kettle
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01:33<rahuljk2002>hows life going on
01:33<kapil>aurum: use a grub boot floppy perhaps
01:33<rahuljk2002>rahul this side
01:33<kettleflux>ah. OK pretty much.
01:33<rahuljk2002>hi kapil
01:34<rahuljk2002>can u help me in debian
01:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:34<aurum>kapil, it's a laptop and it doesn't have a floppy drive :(
01:34<rahuljk2002>i am using postfix 2.4 mail server
01:35<rahuljk2002>i want my all mails going out of my mailserver to be put on hold queue expect local mail
01:35<kapil>aurum: you can also use the installation CD in rescue mode. that should allow you to boot from usb. i think you need a delay option for the usb disk to be detected at boot time.
01:35<rahuljk2002>how can i do that
01:35<kapil>aurum: let me look.
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01:36<aurum>Yes, I edited the .conf file to give the delay option, and when I go to rescue mode from the installation file it still goes straight to the internal drive =/
01:36<kapil>rahuljk2002: i only know exim. sry.
01:36<rahuljk2002>no problem
01:37<rahuljk2002>any body on debian
01:37<rahuljk2002>mailserver postfix
01:37<kapil>aurum: you need a root=/dev/sda1 (sda2 or whatever) option while booting.
01:38<kapil>aurum: your laptop _should_ be able to boot from usb. are you sure some F12 or some such key doesn't give you the choice of boot drive?
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01:38<aurum>Yeah, I checked both the F2 BIOS options and the F12 boot menu and the usb drive is simply absent
01:38<aurum>It recognizes that it's there at startup though.
01:39<rahuljk2002>any body on debian
01:39<aurum>Like when it lists the devices before boot
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01:39<rahuljk2002>postfix 2.4
01:40<kapil>aurum: its a long while ago but i think there is a way to get isolinux to boot a CD into a grub menu with kernels listed.
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01:42<rahuljk2002>carlo help me in debian
01:42<kapil>aurum: i suppose your laptop is not running from the hdd or you could instruct grub there to do the trick.
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01:43<aurum>I'll try messing with GRUB more, I didn't really do too much with it on this install cause I'm not dual booting anything anyway.
01:44<aurum>Thanks for the inspirations :bow:
01:44<rahuljk2002>anybody there for debian
01:44<kapil>aurum: you're welcome. (not that i helped!)
01:44<gsimmons>rahuljk2002: You may want to try #postfix on
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01:45<kapil>aurum: by the way grub can usually only look for kernel+initrd on the disk it (grub) is running from.
01:47<aurum>Is there any other way to boot it by using the liveCD?
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01:47<aurum>I thought I read somewhere that installers usually come with some sort of SmartBoot type application.
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01:48<kapil>aurum: you need your kernel+initrd (the actual ones you want to run) to be on the liveCD.
01:49<kapil>aurum: there _is_ a modern alternative that i have tested only once! ... kexec.
01:49<kapil>aurum: that is *if* kexec is on your liveCD.
01:50<rahuljk2002>any one good with postfix
01:50<kapil>rahuljk2002: look at what gsimmons said ^^
01:50<rahuljk2002>kapil how to enter at that room
01:51<rahuljk2002>i am new to this
01:52<kapil>i don't irc much either. depends on your irc client. set the server to "" and join "#postfix" i suppose
01:52<aurum> /server
01:52<aurum> /join #postfix
01:52<kapil>aurum: do you want the kexec method?
01:52<kapil>aurum: i noticed that you were careful with the spaces ;-)
01:53<aurum>If you've got a link, I'd appreciate it, don't wanna make you type out a ton of instructions :p
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01:55<kapil>aurum: the basic instruction is "man kexec"! in short "kexec -l kernel-image --append="options" --initrd="initrd-image".
01:57<aurum>Thanks, I'll try it now.
01:57<kapil>so you are on your liveCD and mount the partition containing initrd+kernel read-only. and then run this command.
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03:31<proket>I congratulate you the guru and users on February, 23rd!
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03:32<Gekz>Kde4 isn't in sid yet is it
03:34<KoE|Farloc>thats what i got when i searched synaptic for kde4
03:34<dpkg>it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
03:36<KoE|Farloc>trying to create a bash scrip that evokes gnome-terminal which executes tintin++ but for some reason it wont execute tt++ in the terminal. but if i execute anything graphical it has no problems.
03:36<KoE|Farloc>is there something special i should put in there.
03:37<KoE|Farloc>gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=Mud --hide-menubar --working-directory=/home/talvon/Arctic -x tt++
03:37<KoE|Farloc>thats what im executing
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03:52<snorky>my bash environment seems to be broken. Did someone know a way to reinstall it in its default state (config file etc) ?
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03:54<vook>snorky: you can remove your .bash* files, and then copy from /etc/bashrc to ~/.bashrc
03:55<vook>or maybe /etc/bash.bashrc :P
03:56<snorky>vook : I don't have any bash files in my /etc
03:56<vook>snorky: do you have any .bash* files in your home directory?
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03:57<snorky>vook : yes I have some
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03:58<snorky>I try a aptitude reinstall bash, but that didn't restore any config file
03:59<cahoot>see the confmiss option?
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04:00<vook>snorky: cp /etc/skel/.bash* ~ (that will replace your old bash files with the originals).
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04:02<snorky>I get the default files from skel, but my bash seems to be always with a bad setting
04:02<snorky>should I do something to reload new config file ?
04:03<snorky>cahoot > confmiss option fro aptitude ? or bash ?
04:03<vook>snorky: look at .profile and /etc/profile as well
04:04<snorky>my .profile just run the local .bashrc if it exists
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04:05<vook>snorky: dpkg-reconfigure bash --force
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04:06<snorky>always the same :/
04:07<vook>hmm, maybe time for zsh :)
04:07<snorky>I should maybe explain better my problem
04:07<snorky>In fact, I always use zsh as default shell
04:07<snorky>but since my last update, my gdm don't start at boot, so I try to understand what happens
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04:08<snorky>if I run zsh /etc/init.d/gdm start, it's ok everything is find, but if I just run /etc/init.d/gdm start I get an error
04:08<snorky>gdm is build to run with sh
04:09<vook>snorky: are you running etch? lenny? sid?
04:09<snorky>I just build a simple script to display the PATH variable, and if I run it with zsh it's ok, with sh, I get nothing
04:09<snorky>I run lenny
04:10<vook>yep - I had similar troubles with lenny, so I went to sid.
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04:11<snorky>lenny isn't the actual sid ?
04:11<vook>well, lenny is lenny/sid
04:11<vook>not sid
04:11<snorky>sid is unstable ?
04:11<vook>sid is "unstable"
04:12*piju using lenny ;)
04:13<snorky>I'd like to keep my system stable, as I'm still new to debian, I prefer to keep testing distrib
04:13<piju>can i know what is debconf ?
04:13<piju>snorky; stable means etch not lenny
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04:14<snorky>yes, just want to say "stable computer" :)
04:14<snorky>for me, stable = too old, testing ok, unstable = too much crash :)
04:14<piju>yes snorky
04:14<mojoman>how goes snorky
04:15<piju>testing is cool
04:15<mojoman>and piju
04:15<vook>snorky: there's more to it than that.
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04:15<piju>mojoman; fine how about u ?
04:15<mojoman>anybody interested in seeing a Pro linux pic?
04:16<mojoman>pretty good debunking linux myths :P
04:16<snorky>hi mojoman
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04:16<mojoman>for fun seeing if anyone in the community would be interested
04:17<piju>mojoman; pro linux ?
04:18<mojoman>ya you'd have to see
04:18<noble->slow night eh
04:18<mojoman>i guess noble
04:18<noble->wow, I had it scrolled up , oops
04:18<mojoman>its a collage with text and matux picture with windows mac and penguin logos
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04:18<noble->all I saw was a bunch of joins/quits
04:18<mojoman>with information about linux
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04:19<mojoman>may have to put it online but wanted to see what someone thought first
04:19<noble->sure, link?
04:19<mojoman>one minute
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04:20<piju>mojoman; give me
04:21<snorky>I maybe found something, get back in few seconds
04:21<snorky>thanks for help
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04:22<mojoman>im sending it to piju so
04:22<mojoman>figure it should be said if it hasnt already wich probably has been :P
04:23<mojoman>mostly cuzz i know most of us who get attacked by windows users
04:23<mojoman>generally will hate on you just for using linux or saying you use it lol
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04:24<guess>Hai, Can anybody tell the link where new projects can be uploaded?
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04:24<mojoman>you can post your projects to
04:24<mojoman>and set up a account with them
04:25<guess>In debian is there any link?
04:25<snorky>vook > it's ok. My problem has nothing to do with bash in fact :/
04:25<vook>snorky: good
04:25<vook>guess: yes
04:25<proket>And where are adjustments on KDE (the sanction of the screen its frequency), not xorg.conf, is such? Thanks
04:25<snorky>vook > just purge the splashy package that crash gdm script and now gdm start at boot
04:26<guess>vook, can u tell me the link.
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04:31<vook>guess: as mojoman said, is the place to start. If you would like to contribute an existing project, just contact the maintainer :)
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04:34<snorky>guess : you try to start a new opensource project ? or contribute to an existing one ?
04:35<guess>snorky, I am contributing to an existing one
04:37<snorky>guess: I like to contribute too, but don't realy know where to start. I'm not an expert programmer, and in fact I see opensource project as a good way to learn and improve my skill. I don't know if it's a good approch
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04:41<aFlag>is there something like usenext but free software? (
04:41<guess>snorky, what are u doing?
04:43<snorky>guess : What i'm coding ?
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04:45<guess>snorky, Go to and checks the bugs related to any specific application. Download the sourcecode of that application. Then try to solve that bug.
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04:46<hellboy195>kapil: around?
04:47<vook>aFlag: "usenext" is simply a web-frontend to Usenet, a protocol that was part of the original internet specification.
04:47<snorky>guess: it's what I'm thinking to do. I'm actually searching an inetressting project. Is there specific type of project to avoid or to search ?
04:48<vook>aFlag: it is off-topic here.
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04:50<guess>snorky, u use the applications and find out which application u like the most. U can see the to do list of the application.i.e., in future what works are to be done. If u r interested in any of the tasks contact the particular author and u can start contributing for that project.
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04:53<snorky>guess: thanks for advice. Are you contributing since a longt ime ?
04:54<aFlag>vook, well, I need a program that reads usenet in the manner usenext does. Which channel would it be on topic to ask about free software that will work on linux, preferably having a debian package for it?
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04:56<vook>aFlag: apt-cache search news reader
04:59<aFlag>that's not really what I want though, I know slrn, sylpheed, icedove, but they don't have the features I want on usenext. They're being able to search for binary content.
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06:11<SchwarzeKrause>Hi, all. How do I enable support fo Intel 3945 wi-fi card under Lenny?
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06:12<PoGz>hi. can someone pls help me configure my sound hardware
06:12<gsimmons>!tell SchwarzeKrause -abotu ipw3945
06:12<gsimmons>!tell SchwarzeKrause -about ipw3945
06:14<PoGz>pls help me configure my sound hardware.. i'm using edubuntu gutsy and my notebook is acer aspire 4715z
06:14<piju>SchwarzeKrause; i use ipw3945 too
06:14<piju>PoGz; alsaconf
06:15<gsimmons>!tell PoGz -about ubuntu
06:15<PoGz>piju: how?
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06:19<lockoff>when I change the wifi rate to 1M thru iwconfig and then ceck it, it stays at 2M
06:19<SchwarzeKrause>What should I do to get network-manager working?
06:19<lockoff>..whats going on/
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06:21<Saajan>hi there ! :)
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06:31<Saajan>How ?
06:31<SchwarzeKrause>Hi, how do I get my network-manager working?
06:31<guillaume>hello, I wanna know which is the best linux driver for compiz-fusion git and nvidia 7950GTX laptop card. Is use actually the 100.14.19 AMD64 one because the 100.14.23 seem to be unstable under testing. Thank you
06:32<Saajan>I do not
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06:33<Saajan>What is your network menager ?
06:34<guillaume>SchwarzeKrause: what's your problem ? You can't open it ? or you can't succed to setup the network ?
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06:36<SchwarzeKrause>guillaume: I can't get the applet
06:39<guillaume>SchwarzeKrause: aptitude search network return no results for network-manager ? Is it tagged with "i" ?
06:41<SchwarzeKrause>Yes, i and A
06:41<GhostlyDeath>SchwarzeKrause: Run nm-applet
06:41<GhostlyDeath>It's in the package "network-manager-gnome"
06:42<SchwarzeKrause>Hm, nice. But how do I get that loading at boottime, as it normally should?
06:42<lockoff>while your talking about manager. I cant change the wifi rate. Is there some way to force it?
06:46<guillaume>SchwarzeKrause: If tha package doesn't work as it should, you may try dpkg-reconfigure maybe to fix it, otherwise there's an ugly solution, you can edit sessions and add the command but it'll work only for the current user profile
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06:53<proket>Please, help in KDE 3.5.5. In the display frequency of updating only 75 Hz (1024-768) though are supported 120 Hz, In what a problem?? xorg.conf does not influence on KDE?? Where then adjustments of type xorg for KDE?
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06:55<SchwarzeKrause>guillaume: It looks like it is enabled by default to auto-load, but it need root's privileges to run
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06:56<proket>Guys well answer please, help
06:56<castoldi>what's the lightest possible web browser?
06:57<SchwarzeKrause>castoldi: links/lynx/elinks/w3m?)
06:57<castoldi>SchwarzeKrause, i mean an X based browser
06:58<proket> Me it is not visible? Well help:)
06:58<SchwarzeKrause>castoldi: Well, links supports X, with image displaying and so on. But what you mean is probably dillo/kazehakaze/midori
06:59<proket>Write then though something :)
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07:03<proket> My messages are not visible?? Your mother!! Well read through if know ÏÔØ×ÅÔØÔÅ where KDE takes adjustments for video modes in fact not in xorg????
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07:06<cahoot>proket: what does xrandr -q list as otions?
07:07<proket>*0 1024 x 768 ( 321mm x 241mm ) *75 70 60 87
07:07<cahoot>I don't see 120 there
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07:09<proket>monitor support 120 Hz
07:09<cahoot>your card and videodriver too?
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07:12<proket> All right I shall search for Thanks you big cahoot even you has answered thanks
07:12<cahoot>I'm no xorg guru, but I suspect you need feed a modeline to xorg to get what you aspire. See if gtf can help
07:13<proket>name@mydebian:~$ gtf 1024 768 85 bash: gtf: command not found
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07:13<proket>why? ^)
07:13<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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07:15<proket>name@mydebian:~$ apt-cache search gtf texlive-doc-el - TeX Live: Greek documentation Where gtf ??
07:16<cahoot>proket: might be only in root's PATH
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07:20<proket>All the same I shall not understand under root precisely also... I shall not distract thanks big! Itself I shall understand:)
07:21<proket>Thank you cahoot !!!
07:22<myke>hi to all. i'm trying to install scanner under debian etch, but it doesn't work. can anybody show me where to look? scanner: epson v200 photo, usb.
07:22<proket>myke I use hwinfo
07:22<proket>and write PCI ID
07:22<cahoot>epson scanners are the most likely to work with linux
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07:23<cahoot>myke: not even root finds the scanner?
07:23<mike>Hi! Please, help me. I've install Rosegarden, but when it start, I've shown a message that there is no any MIDI devices. How to enable MIDI devise? I'm using debian lenny/sid.
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07:23<hever>Hi, I've got a PC with no Monitor but openBSD installed. How can I install Debian on it? Is there an installation image which starts automatically an SSH Server or is there an installer I can run from openBSD ?
07:23<pilgrim>I want to make Iceweasel my dflt brws instead of Knqr. "update-alternatives --config x-ww-browser" takes me to page I don't understand. What do I do next?
07:24<myke>yes, that's why i got it. yes, i cannot see it as root.
07:24<cahoot>myke: does it show up in dmesg when attached?
07:25<myke>sane-find-scanner says it dosen't see any
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07:27<myke>i found "iscan"; but i cannot install it due to many unresolved dependencies
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07:28<cahoot>myke: does it show up in dmesg when attached?
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07:28<cahoot>or in lsusb
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07:30<myke>i can see some usb devicws but i ccannot determione if any of them corresponds to my scanner.
07:30<myke>jow can i check it?
07:31<viki>Hi all, Can anybody help me to configure wifi with wpa on etch?
07:31<gsimmons>!tell viki -about wpa
07:31<cahoot>myke: run lsusb with and without the scanner attaced - compare the output
07:33<myke>it says: Bus 006 Device 003 id 04b8:012e Seiko Epson corp
07:33<myke>when scanner is off theis line is absent; ok!
07:35<cahoot>and what does dmesg report about it?
07:35<lockoff>!tell lockoff -about wpa
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07:38<myke>seems that nothing, from: dmesgs | grep usb
07:38<myke>there are some devices, but i cannot understand it :(
07:39<myke>void output from: dmesg | grep Epson
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07:40<lockoff>!tell lockoff -about iwconfig
07:40<cahoot>myke: unplug/reattach the scanner and put the output of dmesg|tail -20 on a pastebin
07:40<myke>(scanner wprks under WinXP great! so i need to find how to connect it here; it should work!)
07:41<myke>(sorry, what is pastebin?)
07:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:42<myke>dmesg | tail -20
07:43<lockoff>is working with swap included in reporting disk usage?
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07:46<blarson>!tell lockoff about selftell
07:47<lockoff>I didnt know if i should write to dpkg or debhelper
07:48<myke>maybe there are problems with libraries? like libusb or so?
07:48<myke>i tried to install iscan, but filed, due to unresolved dependencies;
07:49<myke>i tried to convert rpm of iscan to deb; semi-succesul :( there were errors, dpkg -i failed;
07:49<myke>(it was done by "alien")
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07:50<lockoff>yeah, blame it on aliens
07:50<myke>rpm -i -> long list of absent libraries; i have 3 dvd of Etch + internet; none were found;
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07:51<cahoot>myke: ok so the scanner is recognized by the kernel - sane-find-scanner (as root) fails?
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07:53<myke>this time i see it; found USB scanner (vendor=0x04bf [EPSON]) ...
07:54<cahoot>myke: and as user?
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07:58<myke>same, OK
07:58<cahoot>myke: ls -l /dev/bus/usb/006
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08:03<guillaume>Need help for setting up nvidia diver 169.09 under testing
08:03<myke>for ls...: 2 lines: 001, 005
08:03<myke>owner: root
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08:05<cahoot>not root:scanner?
08:05<myke>lsmod | grep scanner -> nothing
08:05<myke>no; root:root
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08:07<guillaume>My Xorg log retun this message : NVIDIA(0): Faild to load he NVIDIA kernel module
08:07<cahoot>myke: sane-find-scanner reports a line like: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON], product=0x0112 [EPSON Scanner]) at libusb:003:003 - no?
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08:09<myke>:) under root - yes; under user - without name [EPSON]
08:09<myke>at libusb:006:005
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08:11<myke>now when calling xsane under root i get (xsane:24544) Gtk-warning: cannot iopen display
08:12<myke>and under user xsane starts, but stops after saying smth about bad line in HP Laserjet :(
08:12<cahoot>myke: might be you lack an entry for that scanner model in /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libsane.rules
08:13<cahoot>myke: or rather /etc/udev/libsane.rules
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08:15<myke>how do i add such line?
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08:16<cahoot>myke: try this page:
08:16<jernej>hej, has some one came accross this problem: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages
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08:18<myke>cahoot: THX going to read; i'll be back :)
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08:19<guillaume>My Xorg log retun this message : NVIDIA(0): Faild to load he NVIDIA kernel module[A
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08:29<myke>ok; now it is better; everything insatlled (i didn't use parameter --scripts), but..
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08:29<myke>scanimage -L -> something happens in scanner, it switches on, but w/o resull
08:30<myke>xsane (as user): no device available
08:31<myke>moment.. i'll relogin..
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08:36<szakal>hi, can anyone tell me how I can close X server?
08:37<cahoot>if you use gdm - /etc/init.d/gdm stop should do it
08:37<szakal>cahoot: I'm using kde
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08:38<cahoot> /etc/init.d/kdm stop then?
08:38<szakal>cahoot: thx :P I going to check it :)
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08:41<szakal>cahoot: nothing happened, I must install the nvidia driver, but I've get a message that X server is running, I've tried to ctrl+alt+bcksp, but then I see again login screen
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08:41<sarthor>HI, i am using GUI, in i want to go to text mode the help of alt+ctrl+F1, but i am not able to see any thing there, the screen is black. Help please
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08:42<sarthor>HI, i am using GUI, in i want to go to text mode the help of alt+ctrl+F1, but i am not able to see any thing there, the screen is black. Help please
08:43<myke>ok thanks; now i at least can scan; but..
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08:43<myke>i accessed it ONLY as: sudo xsane, so it is accessible only as root, writes saved files with owner root:root
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08:44<cahoot>myke: might be you lack an entry for that scanner model in /etc/udevlibsane.rules
08:44<cahoot>myke: meh /etc/udev/libsane.rules
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08:45<cahoot>in which case the correct perms doesn't get set
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08:47<cahoot>myke: I would try to add a line like: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04b8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="012e", MODE="0664", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" - to the end of that file
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09:15<myke>i added line to libsane.rules; do i need to reboot or so? (no "man" found)
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09:15<myke>what's the procedure of adding such devices? man what?
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09:26<cahoot>restart udev? /etc/init.d/udev restart maybe
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09:41<mathieu>hi, is there some kind of package management tool in debian that includes configuration? i.e. handles config files as regular files. I'd seem useful to have identical installations on multiple hosts
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09:53<ali>where are iranian users?!!
09:54<d0rt>mathieu -- i think most sysadmins handle that by writing scripts (to rsync the appropriate /etc directories) -- my hunch is that the level of customization is going to be so detailed that it wouldn't make much sense to try to craft a one-size-fits all package for this process, but maybe there's one available
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09:56<mathieu>d0rt, I got the idea by working as consultant at a large bank. If they had a problem with a server, they'd just take other hardware, install their packages and were within no time back in business.
09:56<mathieu>I've done some reinstalls, but getting the config right is always a PITA
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09:58<mathieu>sadly, their packaging mechanism was a PITA too ;)
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10:01<d0rt>with pure debian packages
10:02<d0rt>it really should be a matter of just copying the relevant subdirectory (or perhaps single file) from /etc
10:02<d0rt>and possibly the db stuff that's relevant on the backend (depending on the package) which probably lives in /var
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10:05<RobT>hi! i would like to know which dist is better for me if i'm looking a better support for my graphic card and my wireless card?
10:05<RobT>sid o lleny?
10:06<d0rt>for each package that is -- if you really want an identical clone (like your example above), just take snapshots of /var and /etc periodically and use dpkg --get-selections to get the list of packages that need to be installed on the new hardware -- after those packages get installed on the new hardware, simply sync /etc and /var and you're good to go
10:06<RobT>because i'm using etch and i have a lot of problems
10:06<d0rt>RobT probably sid
10:06<d0rt>it's just going to have newer stuff sooner
10:07<d0rt>it may be that the stuff specific to your hardware is already in lenny though
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10:07<RobT>ok, but will i find problems?
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10:07<d0rt>check the appropriate packages
10:07<d0rt>or look for them first
10:07<d0rt>and then check
10:07<d0rt>if others have had problems (and continue to) there should be open bugs that you can read about
10:08<d0rt>if you do go to lenny or sid
10:08<d0rt>i recommend you install apt-listbugs
10:08<d0rt>which should give you the opportunity to bail out of any potential breakage before you install a known buggy package
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10:09<RobT>because i was trying with apt-pinning trying to uograde xorg, but i couldn't do it because everytime i updated the sources.list problems with the unstable sources appeard
10:10<d0rt>yeah, i think it makes more sense to just change from etch to testing rather than mess with apt-pinning
10:10<d0rt>(unless you have special apt-pin-fu that I don't possess)
10:11<RobT>it's difficult, so that's why i'm changing to sid or lenny
10:12<RobT>and which are the pros and cons with lenny?
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10:14<suiside>RobT: if you aren't prepared to fix your problems with etch you propably shouldn'
10:14<suiside>t switch to lenny or sid
10:16<RobT>but, the thing is that etch doesn't have support enough for my cards, but lenny or sid does, so i prefer to upgrade my dist, instead of having a useless operating system
10:16<RobT>i don't know if you can see it in that way suiside
10:17<d0rt>RobT -- suiside is making a valid point, in fact i think you may have just confirmed it
10:18<d0rt>"doesn't have support enough" isn't a very technical description
10:18<suiside>RobT: so are you sure you can find the necessary drivers in sid or lenny or are you just trying things blindly?
10:18<RobT>let me show you something
10:18<d0rt>it may be that the packages in etch can be configured correctly but you just haven't done that yet
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10:20<RobT>i followed that and many other how to but non of them really works, i don't know if i was "blessed" with my laptop's cards
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10:20<RobT>but, it has been the most difficult computer i have ever tried with debian
10:23<d0rt>for whatever it's worth, i'm on a dell laptop with an Intel 3945ABG wireless card in it that doesn't work in sid for me -- but that's because I don't care about wireless and haven't tried hard enough :-]
10:24<RobT>this is my card Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02)
10:24<RobT>i found many how to, but non of the actually worked
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10:25<suiside>RobT: howtos are usually just quick walkthroughs with the most common solutions that work, they are not a replacement for real documentation
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10:26<m4steR>how can I add a voice to menu of gnome?
10:28<suiside>m4steR: are you looking for a screen reader?
10:28<m4steR>suiside, what??
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10:29<suiside>apparently not
10:29<m4steR>suiside, i want to add firefox voice to Applications -> Internet
10:29<m4steR>how can I do it?
10:29<RobT>i know that, but i have read a lot, and many questions were answered with sid packages, like my graphic card for example, see here
10:31<d0rt>RobT -- if it looks like that's a solution that will definitely work for you and you're willing to go through the pain of upgrading to sid (you should plan on having to fix things that break now and then, even with apt-listbugs installed), then upgrading may be a viable option for you
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10:32<RobT>i know, because i was trying to use apt-pinning but many problems with sorces appeared
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10:34<m4steR>*i solved with alacarte
10:34<RobT>what's that?
10:35<RobT>i've never heard about that
10:36<RobT>it's part of gnome i'm reading, but what this option does?
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10:37<RobT>cool tool
10:38<RobT>to optimize the menu
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11:00<z5000man>Can someone in here help me with a problem I'm having with bind.
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11:05<cwood>what bind problem?
11:05<cwood>And, as the saying goes, just ask, don't ask to ask.
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11:29<vaib>hi, i have a external hdd connected through USB. It gets disconnected after few hours. I pull out the USB cable from computer and plugin back then every thing works fine again.
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11:29<vaib>I am really tired of this exercise and my computer remains on almost all the time so problem is much worse.
11:30<panagos>which partitions do i need to mount with atime in order for popcon to fully function? (also report usage stas)
11:30<panagos>* stats
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11:38<Clim>*I'm trying to install Debian Lenny on my laptop, I get an error PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 8 of bridge ... And then it hangs there
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11:41<przemek>kurwa nikogo niema???
11:41<dpkg>it has been said that pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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11:43<windio00>i have a few questions about setting up a network at home with a debian server this is the situation: my roomate has a linksys 54gs router and i have my own asus wl500gp router and both of them are in my room and he needs his wireless and i have 2 computers and a laptop
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11:44<windio00>and one of the computers i am going to make into a debian file server
11:44<windio00>and a web server and ssh server
11:45<windio00>should i just keep his linksys to the cable modem and then do dmz to my router?
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11:47<windio00>im trying to learn about networking with linux
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11:49<witte>windio00: as both are routers, you can do whatever you want
11:49<ignu>can someone recommend a good lightweight graphical file manager?
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11:49<witte>ignu: thunar or pornview maybe
11:50<cahoot>ignu: graphical as in icons?
11:50<windio00>witte: right but i would prefer that his wireless stuff stay separate from my network cause i usually only used wired stuff because i dont trust wireless
11:50<ignu>witte: thx much... I'll try thunar (pornview doesn't sound like something I want on my daughter's laptop :-)
11:50<witte>ignu: although pornview is more for viewing pictures
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11:50<witte>ignu: :-)
11:50<ignu>I'll try thunar ... thx :-)
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11:51<mike>Hi! I want to write a program using libsoundgen. I've download source code of library, compile it and try to use function in this library. But when I compile my program I see error message:
11:51<mike>/tmp/ccMDBj6h.o: In function `main':
11:51<mike>main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `soundgen_init'
11:51<mike>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
11:51<mike>Source code of my program:
11:52<mike>#include <stdio.h>
11:52<mike>#include "gpe/soundgen.h"
11:52<ignu>cahoot: more like graphical as in not commandline based
11:52<mike>int main( void )
11:52<mike> soundgen_init();
11:52<mike> return 0;
11:52<mike>What is wrong?
11:52<witte>windio00: ok, than you could take the setup you mentioned earlier (although if you would switch them, it would be possible as well, only a bit more complex to do
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11:52<witte>mike: don't past such things, here, use a pastebin the next time
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11:52<cahoot>ignu: might take a look at filerunner too then oldie but goldie IMO
11:52<ignu>cahoot: thx much
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11:53<windio00>witte: for port forwarding, if i forward certain ports to me for ssh, amule, etc . . . will that mean that he cant use those ports?
11:53<joca75>hallo folks i hawe some trouble to set debian 4 to be also a ruter I have use suse for yahrs and in debian is total difrent to edit pc setings can saombady give my a tip hov to configur debian
11:54<nepbabu>joca75, install the cd, press enter all the way. done
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11:55<mike>Is anybody able to help?
11:56<snorky>mike: you should probably link your code with the good lib
11:56<amphi>mike: you probably need to run gcc with -lsoundgen or some such; or pkgconfig
11:57<mike>I tried. It doesn't help
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11:59<nepbabu>mike, gcc needs to know where your soundgen.h's object file. if it can't find it in std path, it'll cry out. very loud
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12:01<mike>all files are in one directory. I tried to use -L directive - nothing...
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12:02<dpkg>i guess zfs is or or
12:03<mike>I'ts driving me mad...
12:03<witte>windio00: sorry, real live interrupted
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12:03<windio00>witte, no worries
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12:05<Axelux>hi there.. does someone knows why i cannot connect to this server+channel with XCHAT thingy from linux ?! it sais i am banned. but thats not possible, since THIS connection here is just the same
12:05<witte>windio00: I think it depends on how you configure it, and where you forward those ports. The first router can be quite open, and you do not need to forward any ports there
12:05<Xenguy>Axelux: is the IP the same?
12:05<Axelux>Xenguy yep
12:06<windio00>witte, im thinking of connecting the debian server directly to that one
12:06<Xenguy>Axelux: what are you using for this session?
12:06<Axelux>Xenguy - same (external) ip here. my Windwows using Mirc works, my Linux using xchat-gnome wont
12:06<Xenguy>Axelux: IC
12:06<witte>windio00: but i am certainly not the expert in these things, I got my own stuff configured, but that's it. In any case this is not really debian specific, maybe you can have faster help on a networking channel
12:07<Softs>Как поддеоживается NTFS в новой версии
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12:07<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:07<ImplosiveFire>hello, could anyone please help me install debian? im a complete noob to linux and ive tried already but i keep getting an error message
12:07<windio00>witte, do you know any good generic networking channel?
12:07<Axelux>Xenguy - i remember about 10 years ago you have been required to run a IDENTD to enter some irc servers. but.... u know.. dont thinkg this is still required
12:08<windio00>witte, maybe ubuntu?
12:08<kapil>ImplosiveFire: are you going to tell us what the error is?
12:08<witte>windio00: this is not operating system related
12:08<dpkg>somebody said networking was at and and "man interfaces"
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12:08<ImplosiveFire>something with the x server, it says no screens found. im guessing it has something to do with my video card
12:08<windio00>witte, it will be soon when i get down to configuring the debian box
12:08<Axelux>Does someone knows why XCHAT-GNOME cannot connect here to this server and channel from linux, but my Windows MIRC can ???
12:08<Axelux>Does someone knows why XCHAT-GNOME cannot connect here to this server and channel from linux, but my Windows MIRC can ???
12:09<witte>windio00: yes, but that configuration is not really dependent on the network configuration
12:09<Axelux>Does someone knows why XCHAT-GNOME cannot connect here to this server and channel from linux, but my Windows MIRC can ??? >> XCHAT sais i would be banned!!
12:09<witte>!tell ImplosiveFire about drxx
12:09<Xenguy>Axelux: re: identd: I don't think it is required, but it *might* help to set a firewall to REJECT port 113, for faster handshakes with IRC networks?
12:10<cahoot>Axelux: running as root?
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12:10<Axelux>cahoot - duh... yes :(((
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12:11<kapil>cahoot: you seem to have found the "root cause" ;-)
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12:11<cahoot>we'll see
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12:11<Axelux>lemme try using simple user account.
12:11<cahoot>didn't know it triggered bans
12:11<Xenguy>cahoot: will running as root prevent connection with this channel?
12:12<cahoot>Xenguy: I doubt that really
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12:12<Zathraz>hi. I am looking for a commandline cd player. I currently use "cdplay" but it seems it cannot support alsa (for spdif purposes). Does anyone know of an laternative (no ncurses as it should be called from a script)?
12:12<kapil>maybe its a safety measure. to prevent user's from shooting themselves in the foot.
12:13<cahoot>mplayer is one answer
12:13<kapil>Zathraz: use cdda2wav or cdparanoia.
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12:16<Branden>What is a good remote administration program like Webmin?
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12:17<K_Wolf>hi there
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12:17<noflash>Branden, ssh and vi
12:18<K_Wolf>any of u know any chat 4 FreeBSD?
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12:18<amphi>K_Wolf: I expect there's a #freebsd on freenode, if not here
12:19<kapil>noflash: those are not "good remote administration program like webmin" with that as the definition of "good".
12:19<K_Wolf>amphi: I see
12:19<amphi>you do? ;)
12:19<noflash>kapil, works for me ;)
12:19<K_Wolf>amphi: Thanks a lot!
12:20<amphi>you're welcome!
12:20<Zathraz>cahoot,kapil, ty
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12:21<kapil>noflash: a "good remote administration program like webmin" is "ssh obfuscate random file from /etc"
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12:21<K_Wolf>amphi: I started my GNU n LInux way
12:21<amphi>kapil: heh
12:21<gsimmons>kapil: cdda2wav/cdparanoia are audio extraction tools, not audio CD players.
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12:21<amphi>K_Wolf: pardon?
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12:22<kapil>gsimmons: you can use them to play the audio too. in fact, if the cd player is not connected to the sound card then they are the only tools that can play audio off the cd.
12:23<Zathraz>cdda2wav/cdparanoia are indeed extraction tools with the ability to output the sound to stdio etc
12:23<Zathraz>so a reroute is possible. Not very flexible and user friendly but it can be done
12:24<Axelix>XCHAT realy f.cks up using root account..
12:24<Axelix>but why... is it chat ? is it the server ?
12:24<Axelix>is there a way to make xchat work if running with root perms
12:24<Zathraz>on the subject of sound. I have mplayer running with analog sound. I moved to spdif digital out but now movies give a "Donald Duck" sound....
12:25<cahoot>Axelix: you don't want that
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12:26<Axelix>choot - well ok .. but how to run xchat as user while presenting it to roots XServer ?
12:26<cahoot>Axelix: you don't want to run x as root
12:26<kapil>cahoot: maybe he wants to run a "honeypot" using xchat
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12:26<cahoot>Axelix: at least it's considered harmful/wrong
12:27<kapil>Axelix: it is generally very harmful to run programs as root unless they absolutely need to be run as root.
12:27<Axelix>cahoot: yes i want run x as root :)
12:27<cahoot>Axelix: care yo explain why?
12:28<Axelix>kapil + cahoot ; confirmed. anyway as "root" i should be free to decide that i want that and accept the risk
12:28<vaib> hi, i have a external hdd connected through USB. It gets disconnected after few hours. I pull out the USB cable from computer and plugin back then every thing works fine again. Any solution ??
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12:28<cahoot>Axelix: anyway you should be able to use sux for what you want
12:28<witte>Axelix: I still find it stupid, but you could run su (or rather sux) in a terminal and start xchat like that
12:28<nepbabu>Axelix, is this about root connecting to oftc or just #debian?
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12:30<witte>nepbabu: let us hope that it is for irc in total. There is no reason to run xchat as root
12:30<nepbabu>i know
12:30<nepbabu>Axelix, go to #oftc and complain
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12:30<nepbabu>if you want to run it as root, you'll be answered there
12:30<Axelix>all: thanks.. im testing sux.. gotta go now
12:30<nepbabu>and goodluck
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12:40<Xenguy>Axelix: you should not be running X as root, that is evil from anything I have ever read/heard :-/
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12:56<faus>anyone who can help me
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12:56<faus>hello ?
12:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:57<faus>i cant open .rpm
12:57<faus>... can u help me ?
12:57<witte>faus: rpm is for red hat distributions
12:58<cahoot>not finding appropriate debian pkg?
12:58<witte>faus: which program do you want, are you sure it is not in debian?
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12:58<craigevil>faus: what are you trying to install?
12:58<faus>i want to install xchat
12:58<craigevil>apt-get install xchat
12:58<witte>faus: aptitude install xchat
12:58<craigevil>or aptitude
12:58<piju>faus; u can convert rpm to deb
12:58<piju>faus; hint! alien
12:59<Xenguy>faus: no, that is a last resort
12:59<witte>faus: piju is right, but only do it when needed
12:59<craigevil>you can but no reason to with xchat its in the debian repos
12:59<Xenguy>piju: er, ^^
12:59<faus>but is not there !!!
12:59<piju>tq witte
12:59<faus>im with i386
12:59<piju>hi Xenguy
12:59<piju>faus; there is no reason i386 or amd64
12:59<faus>it`s not there dudes
13:00<witte>faus, in that case you repositories are not correct
13:00<Xenguy>faus: you need to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list it looks like
13:00<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:00<Xenguy>ahh, that's it
13:00<faus>oks wait
13:00<witte>Xenguy: i think repositories would have worked as well :-)
13:01<piju>faus; ok, tell me about ur distro
13:01<piju>faus; debian what ? on pc ?
13:01<witte>piju: he said i386
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13:01<piju>witte; debian etch ? lenny ? sid ?
13:02<witte>piju: if not mentioned, it will be etch (hopefully ;-))
13:02<Axelix>Ahh!! sux worx fine! thanks again
13:02<Xenguy>dpkg repos is See entry for 'sources.list'
13:02<dpkg>okay, Xenguy
13:02<piju>witte; i think so
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13:03<piju>faus; whats debian do u use ?
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13:03<piju>sorry all
13:03*Xenguy goes to brew some coffee...
13:03<piju>im not good in english ;)
13:03<witte>faus: xchat is certainly in debian, so could you upload the file /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin
13:03<witte>!tell faus about paste
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13:05<piju>witte; can i ask u something ?
13:05<witte>piju: yes of course
13:05<guillaume>ipw3945d return : 2008-02-23 18:59:09: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection on my sid laptop any solution ?
13:05<piju>what is microcode.ctl actually ? i do read the docs, but still dont understand its purpose
13:06<piju>guillaume; debian sid ? wow, thats horror
13:06<witte>piju: don't know it
13:06<guillaume>piju: why ?
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13:06<piju>witte; i think it something about flushin kernel buffer on cpu;s
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13:06<piju>guillaume; coz im installed it
13:06<amphi>guillaume: ipw3945 is loaded?
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13:07<amphi>guillaume: you could also use the iwlwifi driver
13:07<piju>guillaume; i still wondering, why debian makes my cpu temp higher than ubuntu
13:07<amphi>guillaume: and not bother with the nasty daemon
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13:07<guillaume>amphi: the daemon refuse to start cause it seem that it doesn't see the pci link to mi 3945 internal card
13:07<amphi>piju: what cpufreq governator are you using?
13:07<piju>amphi; cpufreq governator ? whats that ?
13:08<amphi>guillaume: doesn't the daemon need the module loaded?
13:08<piju>im using intel core 2 duo 1.6
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13:08<amphi>piju: that's why your cpu is hotter ;)
13:08<amphi>piju: I expect you're using the performance governor
13:08<piju>amphi; hotter ? but not hot when im using ubuntu
13:08*piju dual boot ubuntu and debian
13:08<guillaume>amphi: I will take a look to iwlwifi
13:09<piju>amphi; what is performance governor ?
13:09<amphi>guillaume: works ok with 4965 here, FWIW
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13:09<amphi>piju: it's a cpufreq governor that keeps the cpu at full clock all the time
13:10<piju>amphi; is it software ?
13:10<piju>what is the name of the pkg ?
13:10*piju think i dont install any of that apps
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13:10<amphi>piju: what does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors say ?
13:11<amphi>piju: it's in the kernel
13:11<piju>amphi; No such file or directory
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13:12<amphi>piju: is the module acpi_cpufreq loaded?
13:13<piju>amphi; no i think
13:13<amphi>so modprobe it already ;)
13:13<rouini>hi everyone there...........really I don't know what are talking about here!!....but I'm new at ubuntu.....and I want to learn more about terminal commands
13:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:13<piju>rouini; this is channel debian, not ubuntu
13:14<piju>amphi; i think the temp is not something with microcode.ctl
13:14<amphi>piju: after you modprobe acpi_cpufreq, try the command I gave you earlier
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13:14<amphi>piju: why are you raving about microcode?
13:14<rouini>sorry..............but where I can find the ubuntu channel...........I mean what it's's name!!
13:15<amphi>rouini: #ubuntu, mirabile dictu
13:15<piju>amphi; performance
13:15<amphi>rouini: on
13:15<amphi>piju: ;)
13:15<piju>amphi; then ? the summary is ?
13:15<amphi>piju: modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
13:16<piju>amphi; ondemand performance
13:16<piju>amphi; whats that all means ?
13:16<piju>i dont understand
13:16<amphi>piju: and then do 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'
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13:17<amphi>piju: the governors make the cpu frequency scaling behave in different ways
13:17<amphi>piju: intel says ondemand is the most efficient
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13:17<piju>amphi; hey, my lenny temp turns to 46!
13:17<amphi>piju: more so than conservative; powersave forces the cpu to the lowest freq all the time, performance to the highest
13:17<amphi>piju: of course
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13:18<piju>amphi; so, now my laptop is configured for the best performance and temp ?
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13:18<amphi>piju: I would say so; you could have an acpi rule to set the powersave governor on battery
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13:19<jernej>I have this problem: Reading package lists... Error!
13:19<jernej>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
13:19<jernej>E: Error occurred while processing exim4-base (NewVersion1)
13:19<jernej>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages
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13:19<amphi>piju: you probably want to put acpi_cpufreq and cpufreq_ondemand in /etc/modules
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13:19<amphi>!dynamic mmpa
13:19<amphi>!dynamic mmap
13:19<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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13:20<piju>amphi; add those to /etc/modules ?
13:20<amphi>piju: yes; you can also set sysfs.conf to set ondemand as the governor at boot time
13:21<jernej>hej folks:D, I have I problem that I can't solve,, please help
13:21<amphi>piju: obviously that needs those modules loaded
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13:22<piju>amphi; using what ?
13:22<piju><amphi> piju: yes; you can also set sysfs.conf to set ondemand as the governor at boot time
13:22<amphi>piju: sysfs.conf
13:22<Clim>my deb install is freezing at Configuring ssl-cert...
13:22<piju>amphi; there is no command sysfs.conf
13:22<amphi>piju: no, it's a config file
13:22<piju>its /etc
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13:23<piju>amphi; add what on /etc/sysfs.conf?
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13:23<amphi>piju: you need to install sysfsutils if you haven't already
13:23<piju>amphi; apt-get it already here
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13:24<walrus>i need some help with my proxy .... =( ... it is configured to be a transparent proxy who allows all traffic and redirects http to squid ... i need some other opinions about my actual server config
13:25<piju>amphi; add what on /etc/sysfs.conf?
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13:26<amphi>piju: that is left as an exercise for the reader ;)
13:26<amphi>piju: look at examlples in the file
13:26<witte>!tell jerne about mmap
13:26<piju>amphi; uncomment the devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = powersave
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13:27<amphi>piju: and that will do...? ;)
13:28<witte>oops, wrong person
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13:28<witte>!tell jernej about mmap
13:28<piju>amphi; only uncomment devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = powersave ?
13:28<amphi>piju: you probably want to change 'powersave' to 'ondemand'
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13:29<amphi>piju: you only need to do that - /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq is just a symlink to cpu0, as you don't really have two cpus
13:30<piju>amphi; done..
13:30<piju>amphi; no need to add lines for cpu1 ?
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13:31<piju>amphi; got it
13:31<piju>amphi; core 2 duo not two cpus :)
13:31<piju>amphi; my temp now turns to 42degrees
13:31<amphi>not for the purposes of cpufreq, in any case
13:31<piju>before this, my temp always 52++
13:32<amphi>what cpu is it?
13:32<piju>amphi; thanks
13:32<piju>amphi; really thanks.
13:32<amphi>piju: welcome
13:32<amphi>what cpu is it?
13:33<piju>amphi; FYI, i dont explore those hardware like u already done
13:33<piju>glad to meet u
13:34<piju>maybe i need to learn more abou hardware and software
13:34<piju>amphi; rebooting now..
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13:38<kurumin>oiiiiiiiiiiii gente
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13:40<piju>amphi; really thanks
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13:40<kurumin>tem alguem do brasil aqui?
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13:43<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:48<piju>amphi; do u have ur personal blog ?
13:48<amphi>piju: funnily enough, no ;)
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13:48<piju>amphi; hohoho, ok..
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 335] by debhelper
13:49<ignu>There's a little widget that comes with the standard Debian desktop ... it's at the top right and looks like a little mouse and you use it to connect to the internet. What is that widget called and how do I get it? I'm building my desktop ad-hoc
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13:50<treyh0>how does xen work in 2.6.24? i don't understand and the maintainer in isn't very helpful :-/
13:52<piju>amphi; wanna see ghost ?
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13:54<piju>amphi; got my notice ?
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13:57<faus>now can u tell mi why i cant install xchat ?
13:57<faus>when i want to
13:57<faus>download it
13:57<faus>from any web
13:58<faus>it`s if format .rpm
13:58<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
13:58<valdyn>faus: you should use aptitude install xchat
13:58<faus>and it cant open!
13:58<valdyn>faus: dont use rpms on debian
13:58<faus>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xchat"
13:58<faus>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
13:58<faus>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
13:58<faus>Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
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13:58<craigevil>xchat is in debian repos, if you cant install it using aptitude paste your sources.list because something is screwed up
13:59<faus>i have work now see u soon ;)
13:59<valdyn>faus: maybe your should start by reading this channels faq
13:59<faus>and thanks for all :) we will see
13:59<valdyn>faus: or pay a consultant
13:59<faus>oks :)
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13:59<craigevil>is there a reason you have to use xchat there are many other irc clients
14:00<muep_>xchat is a good client, it certainly should work
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14:11<gerzel>Q: Can anyone recomend a brand of cheep laptop for running linux? I mainly want something that will run open office, firefox, etc.
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14:11<francois>salut tout le monde
14:12<francois>quelqu'un pourrais m'aider avec qt4 ?
14:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
14:12<simon_42>gerzel: You heard about the eepc?
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14:14<piju>simon_42; asus ?
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14:14<gerzel>simon: Erm no?
14:14<simon_42>piju: that's what I meant... please don't hurt me ;-)
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14:16<Clim>I cannot for the life of me figure out how to update etch to lenny
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14:16<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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14:16<Clim>I've done that, It tells me a bunch of packages will be helpd back
14:17<witte>Clim: it could be that there will be some manual work to be done...
14:18<kurumin>cala a boca seus idiotas
14:19<kurumin>help-me help-mew
14:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:19<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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14:22<szakal>Hi, do know anybody where can be the problem in alsa (no sound), dmesg shows me something like this : ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:540: hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode...
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14:24<Hungmanmoojoo>oy! can someone tell me why "extended" bash completion works in xterm and the like but not in tty1-6?
14:26<cahoot>szakal: like this?
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14:30<hikooki>hello there
14:32<hikooki>I have a question, I just switched to testing, and as an result, my nvidia drivers does not work, and when I try to install them again, it says that the kernel was compiled with a different version of gcc, so I figure I have to recompile the kernel or something with the latest updated gcc in testing, but I have no idea how to do that
14:32<hikooki>it's the official proprietary drivers by the way
14:33<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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14:37<archpollux>what is going on with the sun-java* packages for amd64, there is no firefox plugin
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14:37<witte>archpollux: that is because sun refuses making one
14:39<witte>archpollux:, look at the date...
14:39<piju>archpollux; i still dont have java :) on amd64
14:40<archpollux>this is so dumb
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14:40<archpollux>just like the stupid flash plugin
14:41<archpollux>anyway, thanks for the clarification
14:41<witte>archpollux: read the comments on the sun page, you are not the only one
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14:41<witte>archpollux: for lenny, there is a flashplayer
14:41<witte>archpollux: also for 64 bit
14:41<archpollux>with nswrapper, i know
14:41<piju>archpollux; my amd64 is flash compatible
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14:41<piju>with nspluginwrapper
14:41<witte>archpollux: without nswrapper
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14:43<witte>archpollux: ah, not any more :(
14:43<witte>it is in sid
14:43<archpollux>i'm using sid
14:43<archpollux>but i can only see the nspluginwrapper one
14:44<piju>im using lenny amd64
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14:45<witte>mm, it still uses nspluginwrapper it seems, you just don't need to do anything special, it does it automatically
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14:45<archpollux>that i know
14:46<archpollux>my point is stupidass adobe is not releasing a 64bit version
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14:46<archpollux>i'm sure it's because the code is SHIT
14:46<witte>sorry, i was under the impression that there was a 64-bit version
14:46<archpollux>and they can't get it to compile easily under 64bit
14:46<archpollux>witte: nope
14:46<zero88>ok i am installing a new printer on Gutsy, its a brother, but it doesnt seem to have the driver for my printer. How would i go about fixing this?
14:46<witte>archpollux: sun is even worse, the bug report is 4 years old
14:47<archpollux>kill me now
14:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:47<archpollux>can't it be built from source though?
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14:47<piju>zero88; go to #ubuntu at :)
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14:47<piju>hello snorky
14:47<zero88>piju woops, i thought this was ubuntu thankx :)
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14:48<piju>ubuntu means "cant configured debian"
14:48<witte>archpollux: don't really know, don't think so, i would think i would have heard about it
14:48<Zathraz>hi. Can mplayer be used from commandline to play plain music CDs. (no track by track, whole CD) without conversion to mp3 ? if so, how to do that, please?
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14:48<zero88>hey now ;)
14:49<piju>Zathraz; mplayer cdda://
14:49<piju>Zathraz; have u try it ?
14:49<Zathraz>no audio/no video
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14:50<piju>u said music cds
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14:50<piju>music cds doesnt have video
14:50<Zathraz>yep. It detects 17 music tracks, but:
14:50<Zathraz>Cannot find codec for audio format 0x1.
14:51<piju>Zathraz; try mplayer cdda://1
14:52<Zathraz>same thing
14:52<Zathraz>so I need a codec for regular musci CDs for mplayer on debian etch
14:52<piju>Zathraz; go to mplayer official website and get those codecs :)
14:52<piju>Zathraz; i think gnome will play those cd automatically
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14:53<zero88>well no help in the Ubuntu room but can someone tell me how I might go about installing a new printer on Linux?
14:53<witte>i8cee: stop
14:53<piju>i8cee; thats cw codes ?
14:53<witte>zero88: install cups, and go to http://localhost:631
14:53<witte>!ops: i8cee is putting garbage in the cannel
14:53<dpkg>okay, witte
14:53<Zathraz>piju. I do not want an X11 based player, so no gnome
14:54<zero88>witte you might have a link for Cups?
14:54<piju>Zathraz; install mpg321
14:54<Zathraz> ?
14:54<witte>zero88: install it with your package manager (synaptic)
14:54<Zathraz>mpg321 does play regular music besides mp3s?
14:55<zero88>witte yes i see therem but there is many
14:55<Zathraz>install cupsys: it is the server
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14:55<zero88>zathraz is that all that is needed?
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14:55<witte>zero88: did you try to google for "install cups ubuntu"
14:56<witte>zero88: do we really have to go to google, type that in for you, and paste it here?
14:56<piju>witte; is this channel for ubuntu ? :P
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14:56<zero88>i know how to google witte, its easier sometimes to ask
14:56<piju>i8cee; i know, that is cw codes
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14:57<witte>dpkg: ops i8cee is posting garbage in this channel
14:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: witte complains about: i8cee is posting garbage in this channel
14:57<piju>i8cee; do u join debian-hams ?
14:57<archpollux>how come is empty?
14:57<i8cee>just in test sorry
14:57<piju>i8cee; i know that
14:57<@Ganneff>i8cee: goto #test
14:57<piju>i8cee; that is cw plugin for xchat
14:57<witte>i8cee: there are test channels
14:57<piju>rite ?
14:58<Zathraz>I want to play music CDs and have the output send to spdif. Probably the easiest way is to use alsa for that. So I need a commandline based player with alsa support which can read/play an entire CD so I can call it from a script
14:58<archpollux>what's cw?
14:58<piju>Zathraz; mplayer, mpg321
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14:58<piju>archpollux; ;)
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14:59<piju>i8cee; pls stop
14:59<piju>thats poor
14:59<piju>i tried to help, but u dont listen i8cee
15:00<Zathraz>piju. I do not have files. It is a regular music CD. not mp3. so no mpg321 afaik
15:00<piju>i8cee; if u interested with cw, we can talk about it on other chanel
15:00<piju>not here
15:00<piju>Zathraz; mplayer cdda:// should be OK with me
15:00<archpollux>am i crazy or what>
15:00<archpollux>dpkg -L sun-java6-source
15:00<dpkg>ii sun-java6-source 1.7-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
15:01<archpollux>lists /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
15:01<archpollux>but that file doesn't exist!!
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15:01<archpollux>wrong machine
15:02<archpollux>i'm dumbass
15:02<piju>archpollux; try java-gcj-compat-plugin
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15:03<piju>dpkg; java-gcj-compat-plugin
15:03<piju>ops, sorry. :) i dont know how to use that bot
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15:05<archpollux>dpkg -l java-gcj-compat-plugin
15:05<dpkg>ii java-gcj-compat-plugin 2.2-4 archpollux's private gamp collection
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15:15<Zathraz>piju. I did some testing. All codecs are installed. However. Music CDs playing with mplayer cdda:// will need a codec for audio tyep 0x01 which turns out to be PCM
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15:16<Zathraz>no idea how to let it do that
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15:18<Zathraz>k. -ac3 hwac3 was the killer
15:18<Zathraz>works now
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15:28<Hungmanmoojoo>can i add one single package from sid in the sources.list in my testing installation?
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15:29<Zathraz>yes. See the net about apt-pinning
15:30<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: maybe a simple sid backport would be better
15:30<witte>!simple sid backport
15:30<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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15:31<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
15:32<Hungmanmoojoo>um.. how do i know if a package is backported?
15:32<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: you go to, and search for it :-)
15:32<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: which one are you looking for?
15:33<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: it isn't in backports
15:34<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: it is is leyny, so you could do the simple sid backport with lenny as well :-)
15:35<Hungmanmoojoo>i'm running lenny
15:35<witte>Hungmanmoojoo: instead of using unstable sources, use testing sources
15:35<Hungmanmoojoo>i want the sid version
15:35<witte>ah, ok, i misunderstood
15:35<witte>rather misread
15:36<witte>in that case you can probably just use the package from unstable as Zathraz told
15:36<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
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15:53<priscaramos>alguém fala português?
15:53<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:53<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:53<priscaramos>somebody can help me?
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15:54<Lynoure>priscaramos: Maybe. What's the problem?
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15:58<ale_ryu>Hi guys, I have some problems with my laptop, ttys 1-6 are blank after X starts, I installed etch yesterday and then did a dist upgrade to lenny, because there was a problem with ssl-cert and I couldn't install lenny directly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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16:06<Entheogen>guys i cannot connect on wireless network
16:06<Entheogen>iwlist shows me that another comp
16:06<Entheogen>but i cannot connect
16:06<Entheogen>both computers have debian etch
16:07<Lynoure>priscaramos: sorry, going now, maybe someone else can help you once you tell them with what...
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16:07<avtobiff>Entheogen, do you want to connect your computers in an adhoc wireless network?
16:07<Entheogen>avtobiff, yes
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16:08<Entheogen>on dekstop pc i've installed linux drivers for wlan card and set up ad hoc network
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16:08<Entheogen>on my laptop i have ndiswrapper drivers and when i scan i can find my desktop
16:08<Entheogen>but i cannot connect
16:08<Entheogen>is there some command to connect on another pc?
16:09<avtobiff>Entheogen, you have to set up iwconfig to use mode something something or something adhoc
16:09<ragnhild>my laptop have gone completely over to terminal, and I'm new to linux so I don't know how to start the system "normally" please help
16:09<Entheogen>i did that avtobiff
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16:10<Entheogen>i think that i've done smth wrong when i tryed to install another usb wlan adapter on my laptop
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16:10<Entheogen>maybe because of that it cannot connect?
16:11<witte>ragnhild: did you have a graphical interface before, or did you just install and not have gui yet
16:11<ragnhild>I had a graphical interface, then the computer went to suspend mode, and now I have a terminal only
16:12<witte>ragnhild: only after suspend, or even after reboot?
16:13<ragnhild>I've tried reboot, shutdown, even unplugged the AC, and took out battery, nothing helps
16:13<ragnhild>is there any command to write to "restart" the gui?
16:13<witte>ragnhild: ok, if you log in, and type "xstart" what does it give
16:14<ragnhild>command not fount
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16:14<witte>ragnhild: huh? you don't have startx?
16:14<witte>!tell ragnhild about set up x
16:17<ragnhild>t downloaded, and tried to install, then i got Permission denied. I had Gnome about 1 hour ago, but after suspend mode it was "gone"
16:18<witte>ragnhild: I doubt that gnome and xstart are "gone" after a suspend, maybe you did somehting else as well?
16:19<witte>ragnhild: and you need to do it as root of course (cfr the permission denied
16:20<ragnhild>I don't know my root password.... I have recently installed the system, but I don't kow how to configure a root password...
16:20<witte>ragnhild: euhm, did you configure sudo?
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16:20<witte>ragnhild: and root pasword is asked during install
16:20<ragnhild>I don't think so...
16:20<witte>ragnhild: you are using debian, right?
16:21<ragnhild>I'm not really sure
16:21<witte>ragnhild: one second, i made a gaint typo :)
16:21<witte>type startx
16:22<witte>i wrote xstart earlier, don't know what i was thinking
16:22<witte>ragnhild: what happens if you do that?
16:23<ragnhild>it appears many lines of text, some says error, others explains a little about the errors
16:23<witte>ragnhild: ok, try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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17:03<schloff>hey guys if i was writing a scrip that recursively went through folders how owuld i see if a file was a folder of a file?
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17:05<@Ganneff>schloff: re-phrase please. what do you want?
17:05<witte>schloff: "ls -l name | grep ^d" would result in a d if is a directory, but i think find can do this better
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17:06<witte>schloff: mmm, that didn't work as i expected
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17:07<@Ganneff>test -f or -d. or stat.
17:07<@Ganneff>many ways, depending on what exactly he wants.
17:07<@Ganneff>maybe even checking the full path for it.
17:07<@Ganneff>not enough information given to get what he needs
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17:09<schloff>i want to go through my media folder and create a database (xml) file of all the files in the folder
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17:09<@Ganneff>then do a find -type f
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17:10<schloff>so text -f will come out with a boolean output?
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17:11<witte>schloff: test -f would yes, but for the thing you want, most people use find as Ganneff indicated
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17:12<schloff>i'll check out both
17:12<schloff>thanks guys
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17:23<chump_>hey guys test -f just shows that its a file
17:24<chump_>i need to see if its a directory
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17:27<elite>Are there a chan for Ubuntu?
17:27<elite>never mind.. I'll find it..
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17:31<per_>Hello Debian folks! Im compilling Mplayer, to a deb-pakage. But cant figure out, howto set a costum version.
17:32<per_>Any ideer, how?
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17:33<craigevil>why do ppl waste time compiling apps that you can install with a simple apt-get install
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17:55<hazard2>is there a package that installs faac?
17:56<witte>hazard2: apt-cache search faac
17:56<witte>hazard2: could be that it is in debian multimedia
17:57<hazard2>I wasn't finding anything in apatitue (but sometimes packagags have counterintutive names)
17:57<witte>hazard2: it is called faac, but it is only on debian multimedia
17:57<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
17:57<hazard2>somehow, 'ripit' matched that search
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17:58<witte> apt-cache show ripit|grep -i faac
17:59<hazard2>ah, that's why :P
18:00<hazard2>is there anything to be done so aptitude won't complain about debian-multimedia being untrusted?
18:00<witte>hazard2: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring
18:01<hazard2>okie thanks
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18:28<chump__>hey guys my storage box keeps randomly dropping me randomly on SSH
18:28<chump__>and when i nmap it it doesn't show the port 22 open any longer
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18:47<arguapacha>hi. Does anyone know how can I change the default java binaries? I type "java -version" in the console and see that the gnu version is used (gij) but I need the (already installed) sun-java5. I cannot uninstall the gjc either.
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18:49<pbn>arguapacha: perhaps /etc/alternatives/java ... it's late
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18:53<jheronimus>Hi, all. Can anyobdy help me with network-manager in KDE under Lenny. It seems to load, the applet is loaded too, but it doesn't allow me to enable wireless-networking and thus it doesn't display any wireless connections available. It doesn't even display the wired connection the system is currently using
18:53<Staz>arguapacha - update-alternatives --config java
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18:54<totocool>hi all, I have trouble with the routing
18:54<arguapacha>perfect! thanks :D
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18:54<totocool>i`ve set a iptables nat
18:55<totocool>but i have to do that every time i reboot my machine
18:55<totocool>so is there any way to get it at boot time
18:55<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
18:55<valdyn>totocool: just install that package
18:55<totocool>i have it
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18:56<valdyn>totocool: why would you need to add more iptables rules just for nat if you have that package?
18:57<totocool>i`m not very good at network administration
18:58<totocool>so friends told me some triks
18:58<totocool>echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:58<totocool>iptables -t nat -F
18:58<totocool>iptables -F
18:58<totocool>iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
18:58<totocool>iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
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18:58<valdyn>totocool: forget the tricks
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18:59<dpkg>i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. Usage examples:
18:59<chealer>gsimmons: is it you that added the "not as stable as they claim."?
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19:02<totocool>I`m sorry that i didn`t use the bot
19:02<totocool>but is there any way to run that at boot time
19:03<chealer>totocool: [18:59:35] <valdyn> totocool: forget the tricks
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19:07<tronix>nice to be here ,
19:08<tronix>there are someone that is skilled to help me for a migration to Debian 3.1 r2 to the latest ??
19:08<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
19:09<witte>tronix: are you stuck somewhere?
19:09<witte>!release notes
19:09<dpkg>methinks release notes is
19:09<tronix>stuck ??? what does it mean ... please
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19:10<tronix>i have read something .. but i want only a suggestion
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19:10<witte>tronix: i wanted to ask if you were already upgrading, but are unable to proceed at this moment
19:11<witte>tronix: read the things that dpkg produced, and if you have specific questions, just ask
19:11<tronix>my sarge is perfect and stable .. about 260 days up and no problem
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19:11<tronix>after migration i'd like to have the same situation.
19:11<witte>tronix: :-)
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19:12<tronix>the server does only file server ( samba ) and squid server ...
19:13<witte>tronix: well, etch is stable, and should therefore be at least as good as sarge
19:13<tronix>witte ... i did not do anything at the moment ... i'm looking if the upgrade is a good thing
19:13<witte>tronix: furthermore, the support for sarge will be dropped later this year (probably somewhere during spring)
19:14<tronix>becaus is a server of a business scool and if something goes wrong .. my ass .. ;)
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19:22<witte>tronix: well, most people have changed from sarge to etch by now, i think it is quite save to do so
19:22<witte>tronix: just read the stuf sent by dpkg
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19:23<gsimmons>chealer: No, I just added the link to usage examples.
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19:25<chealer>gsimmons: OK
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19:26<chealer>dpkg: ntfs-3g =~ s$not as stable as they claim. $$
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19:59<viki>Hi All, I have a problem with wifi configuration. Basically the hardware is working (Linksys WUSB54GR), but I cant configure the connection to my access point. The SSID of the AP is hidden and it uses WPA-PSK. I specified the connection details in the /etc/network/interfaces, but I dont get the IP through DHCP from the AP. Can anybody help me?
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20:00<gsimmons>viki: Please provide the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file at a paste site.
20:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:07<viki>gsimmons: I have pasted it on the
20:07<chealer>viki: please give the URL to your specific post
20:08<witte>viki: did you hit the past button :-)
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20:13<chealer>viki: is wlan0 up?
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20:17<witte>viki: which chipset are you using?
20:17<witte>viki: can you paste lspci
20:20<chealer>viki: you have 2 Ethernet cards?
20:21<witte>viki: 2 ethernet cards, and i don't see a wifi card :(
20:21<viki>chealer: I have two pci network card and the WUSB54GR connected to usb
20:21<witte>viki: your wifi is probably a usb dongle?
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20:21<viki>witte: exactly
20:21<chealer>viki: oh. what's the wireless card's chipset?
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20:22<witte>chealer, viki: it seams it is a rt73 card
20:22<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at Enhanced legacy driver is at (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
20:23<gsimmons>viki: Which driver are you using for your device? Your first paste seems to have an issue when using the wext driver backend for WPA-SPK.
20:23<chealer>viki: which driver do you use?
20:23<witte>probably better to use the rt2x00 driver if your kernel is good enough
20:23<witte>viki: also what is your kernel version
20:23<viki>chealer: I use the rt73usb. On the other hand I can browse the wifi networks with for example wifi-radar
20:23<chealer>viki: which Debian suite do you use?
20:24<viki>witte: testing
20:24<viki>chealer: testing
20:25<viki>witte: uname -a -> Linux vikilinux 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 08:32:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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20:26<witte>viki: can you upload the results of "ifconfig" and "iwconfig" as well
20:27<witte>viki: I got one of those rt73 usb dongles working not that long ago on my nephew's pc, but i forgot if i used the rt2x00 or the legacy driver. Key was to include the firmware in /lib/firmware
20:28<witte>viki: if i recall correctly, i tried the rt2x00 driver, but that did not work completely, so I had to use the legacy driver (which does work),
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20:31<witte>viki: and do you get strange messages in the output of dmesg after you have removed and re-inserted the dongle
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20:33<viki>witte: but was it possible to browse the wifi networks on the pc of your nephew? On mine it is possible:
20:34<viki>witte: Im checking the removal and reinsertion
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20:35<witte>viki: i don't know, i installed everything at my place and thought it was working (iwconfig and everything looked nice) but i didn't have wifi at that moment. So at his place, it of course did not work (as always), so i just used the other one, which worked
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20:37<witte>viki: those ralink drivers are still in development, and their usability changes with every new version and every new kernel. Starting from 2.6.24 the rt2x00 is in the main kernel, and it will get more attention and they will become much more stable and consistent
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20:38<viki>witte: I have put in the content of dmesg after removal and insertion here:
20:41<viki>witte: for me it seems that it should work but the problem is my knowledge to configure. I was able to get it working with the wifi-radar if the WPA was switched off.
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20:44<witte>viki: i am not certain how to handle this
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20:46<witte>viki: i didn't configure wpa for myself before, so I don't think i can help you any further. I am also not certain everything is loaded correctly, but the "link is not ready" error in dmesg seems to suggest that it should work
20:46<viki>witte: ok...
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20:49<witte>viki: on the ubuntu forum there is a post with 997 contributions. Your answer will most likely be there (somewhere :-))
20:49<viki>witte: :)
20:49<witte>viki: just for your reference:
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20:51<witte>viki: but check the serialmonkey site forum, there should be a solution for your problem:
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21:07<buya>can someone tell me where and how to get a gui package mannager for debian
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21:07<witte>buya: in a terminal, aptitude install synaptic
21:07<buya>I need help on this
21:08<dondelelcaro>buya: aptitude install synaptic, or possibly just start it if you've already got it installed.
21:08<buya>let me try that witte
21:08<buya>thanx donelelcaro
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21:09<witte>buya: you need to do that as root, or use sudo
21:09<dondelelcaro>synaptics will actually invoke gsudo on it's own when required.
21:10<buya>witte, ok
21:11<witte>dondelelcaro: even if you don't start it from gnome, because i get a warning i don't have admin rights when starting it, so i wont be able to do anything...
21:11<dondelelcaro>witte: ISTR if you select something that requires admin rights, it tries to get them.
21:11<dondelelcaro>witte: assuming you have gsudo or whatever that command is.
21:12<buya>witte: thanx man it work
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21:12<buya>witte, how do I set up file sharing between two computers
21:13<buya>witte, take your time
21:14<witte>dondelelcaro: i have gksu installed, but it doesn't call for a root password... Well, i don't mind, i was just curious, maybe it will do so in gnome or kde
21:14<witte>buya: depends
21:14<dondelelcaro>witte: it's probably because the menu actually has it running as gksu synaptic, and I just forgot that it doesn't ask itself.
21:14<dondelelcaro>witte: aptitude does it properly, though.
21:15*dondelelcaro has honestly used synaptic about 3 times
21:15<buya>witte, I have a debian machine and a suse machine and a vista laptop on wireless
21:15<buya>witte, I want them all to share files and music and printer
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21:15<witte>dondelelcaro: I'm no favorite of the gui stuff as well :-)
21:15<witte>buya: in that case you probably want samba
21:15<dpkg>somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
21:16<buya>witte, samba is hard
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21:16<buya>witte, something else
21:16<witte>buya: set up a ftp or http server?
21:17<buya>witte, now you talking then what
21:17<DaCapn>if I have installed an smp kernel with aptitude, should the smp suffix appear in uname -r?
21:17<witte>buya: samba is not hard, it probably is what you want
21:18<witte>buya: for printing sharing you can use cups with ipp
21:18<chealer>DaCapn: not unless you're running it
21:18<buya>witte, would samba do most of the config on it's own or I have to look for domain name and adress this and that...
21:19<witte>buya: most of it would be done automatically, but some things you would have to do yourself
21:19<DaCapn>well I mean uname -a says SMP in it... but I thought it should show up in uname -r as well, so that is correct?
21:20<chealer>DaCapn: not necessarily
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21:20<buya>witte, awsome I'll try it with some guidence...thankx again man
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21:21<witte>buya: wait, that guide is maybe not perfect
21:21<witte>buya: it is for sarge, and authentication etcetera, which will most likely be not what you want for a home network
21:22<buya>witte, ....aight
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21:23<witte>this one maybe
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21:24<witte>buya: that last one seems better
21:25<buya>witte, I'm check'n it out
21:25<buya>witte, ...thanx
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21:29<viki__>witte: the wifi seems working if the SSID broadcasting is enabled on the AP...
21:29<witte>ah, great
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21:41<viki__>witte: but unfortunately I would like to hide it...
21:41<witte>viki__: ah, ok ,so semi-great, there is at least progress :P
21:42<witte>viki__: did you find anything on the serialmonkey forum?
21:43<viki__>witte: I found something here: , but unfortunately this is not applicable to my situation since I have a later version of wpasupplicant
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22:08<buya>witte, it complains samba command not found
22:09<witte>buya: at what point of the tutorial are you
22:10<buya>witte, I'm aftr the first paragraph
22:10<buya>witte, ....ahahaha
22:10<witte>buya: apt-get install samba samba-common samba-client
22:10<buya>witte, I have done the apt-get install part
22:10<witte>or install those using synaptic
22:10<witte>ah, ok
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22:10<witte>did you answer those questions?
22:11<buya>I could not get the little blue screen no matter what I have done I have even read the man pages for it
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22:11<buya>witte, I could not get the little blue screen no matter what I have done I have even read the man pages for it
22:12<buya>witte, I couldnt get the questions part started
22:12<witte>buya: ok, dpgk-reconfigure samba
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22:12<buya>witte, aight
22:14<buya>witte, Compac-Host:/# dpgk-reconfigure samba
22:14<buya>bash: dpgk-reconfigure: command not found
22:14<witte>buya: as root?
22:15<witte>oops, typo
22:16<buya>it is working :)
22:16<buya>witte, should I run it as deamons or inetd?
22:17<witte>buya: don't know, take the one that is default (daemon i think)
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22:31<witte>buya: I have to go, it is 4:30 in the moring
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22:31<witte>good luck with your samba
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22:49<PoGz>how do i enable sound hardware in acer aspire? i use edubuntu gutsy
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22:50<alaya>see /topic
22:52<chealer>!tell PoGz about ubuntu
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23:36<Requiem>anybody know about hardware compatability with linux and mobile broadband?
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