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---Logopened Mon Feb 25 00:00:29 2008
00:02<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: wb :)
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00:03<Steven-M>is there any cheatcode to boot without networking?
00:03<Steven-M>hi all
00:03<Supaplex>Steven-M: how come? You can ^C dhcp on startup...
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00:06<Steven-M>Supaplex: so that's ok
00:06<Steven-M>Supaplex: I mean is that a no
00:07<Supaplex>I'm not sure
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00:08<chealer>Steven-M: any what?
00:08<gef>boot to init 1
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00:09<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: why would it even matter whether it started or not?
00:10<Killing_Frost>Steven-M: Try the readme file in /etc/init.d. You need to change an S to a K in the /etc/rc#.d directories.
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00:13<Steven-M>so there's no grub argument to do that?
00:13<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: no; you could add one if you really need to, though.
00:13<dondelelcaro>(but there's no real reason to ever not turn on networking)
00:14<Killing_Frost>Maybe try adding the word "single" to the boot prompt.
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00:15<Killing_Frost>Of course, no services will run, and you'll be logged in as root.
00:15<dondelelcaro>that won't do it either
00:15<dondelelcaro>networking is started in rcS, which runs even in single user mode.
00:16<dondelelcaro>(since networking needs to be up before you can mount other filesystems)
00:16<Steven-M>oh well
00:16<Killing_Frost>Yank the cable out of the back of the computer, then.
00:16<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: why do you want to do this in the first place?
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00:17<Killing_Frost>You can type "ifdown eth0' to shut the interface down, and 'ifup eth0' to turn it back on...
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00:19*Killing_Frost shrugs. My wireless modem and router are on their own power strip, Makes things real easy.
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00:20<path>wtf that means?
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00:20<path>its on my /etc/passwd
00:20<Steven-M>dondelelcaro: so that I can configure my firewall before the firewall comes up?
00:21<Steven-M>I mean interface comes up
00:22<TBBle>path: Looks like a normal nobody user to me.
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00:27<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: uh... there's no point to configuring it before the interface comes up.
00:27<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: you configure it immediately after it comes up.
00:28<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: what does it matter anyway? Until any services are running, there's nothing for the firewall to protect anyway.
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00:29<Steven-M>dondelelcaro: nevermind
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00:41*Killing_Frost jamz...
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00:41<TBBle>Steven-M: You can put your iptables rules into a pre-up call or set of calls in your /etc/network/interfaces, and then it's ready before the interface is configured, but not done until just before then.
00:41<piju>debian cookies
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01:45<alaya>mmm shortbread
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02:16<Slydder>morning all
02:18<alaya>night here
02:19<alaya>damn foreigners
02:20<Supaplex>sounds like a personal problem :P
02:20<alaya>ya know, I'm reallly sick of all these different time zones
02:21<Supaplex>you're in one of em
02:21<alaya>i *am* a time zone!
02:23<Supaplex>yo mama so fat, she takes up an entire time zone
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02:25<alaya>yo mama so fat, it morning on one side a her and nite on da other
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02:27<ravenbird>No, simonrvn, you're not online any more.
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02:31<alaya>word of the day: pinguitudinous
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03:27<DaCapn>YES HI
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03:47<DaCapn>YES HI
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03:53<borco>i have a long standing problem with my sata_nv module, as it will make my box to loose data.
03:54<borco>one solution that worked relatively well was to use 'acpi=off noapic'.
03:54<borco>i've recently found out an alternative workarround - using 'sata_nv adma=0'.
03:54<borco>but i don't know how to test if this solves my problem on my box and what is the impact on the overall performance.
03:55<borco>any idea what disabling adma will do?
03:55<borco>and how to test that my controller is working ok without waiting to loose data?
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03:59<jm_>it's Advanced DMA
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04:03<borco>jm_, any idea how much will the performance degrade if i not use adma? what is better: no adma or 'acpi=off noapic'?
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04:03<jm_>borco: no idea, I haven't noticed problems with sata_nv so far on two machines
04:03<jm_>borco: apparently ADMA is needed for NCQ on some chipsets
04:04<jm_>I have to run now
04:04<borco>jm_, ok. thanx
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04:53<foobr>hi! how can I force ls to display the full path?
04:54<petemc>use find
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05:03<Slydder>am having problems getting batch (bsmtp) working with exim4. keep getting a "421 Lost incoming connection" error. am I missing something in the batch file? can somebody point me in the right direction so I can get the file structure correct? thanks
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05:40<stmaher>Hello everyone.. Its not a specific problem with debian.. but I am looking for some advice.. I want to be able to grab a html page and get all content between say the <p> tag and </td> tag..
05:40<stmaher>Which would be the best tool to use.. awk or sed?
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06:02<Lynoure>stmaher: It would be at least quite easy in sed, maybe even sed -n '/<p>/,/<\/td>/' your.html > outputfile
06:02<stmaher>thank you Lynoure
06:03<Lynoure>stmaher: I haven't tried that, so forgive me for potential syntax problems :)
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06:03<stmaher>Ill give it a go.. Its going to be way better than my bash approach with if statements! :-D
06:03<stmaher>Lynoure, once again.. thank you
06:04<Lynoure>stmaher: You are welcome :)
06:04<stmaher>sed -n '/<p>/,/<\/td>/' default.asp > outputfile
06:04<stmaher>sed: -e expression #1, char 14: missing command
06:05<Lynoure>hmm, I wonder if it should be '/<p>/,/<\/td>/p' I'm more of a sed noob (haven't needed it much), than a guru =)
06:06<stmaher>Lynoure, thank you SOOO much.. that worked perfectly.. I really should learn sed!
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06:09<jm_>read sed&awk book from O'Reilly
06:11<xpert>hi, I have a problem after updating my debian unstable - all texts are invisible and most icons too
06:11<xpert>this is in gdm and gnome
06:12<xpert>does somebody have any idea what could be wrong?
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06:15<szakal>hi all
06:15<xpert>here is a screenshot:
06:16<xpert>my laptop is pretty much unusable :(
06:18<jm_>stop using unstable
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06:21<xpert>good idea :)
06:21<szakal>can someone help me to get back my "currsor"? :P After I change session from Gnome to KDE my currsor dissapear :P I can move mouse and works good, but not see where is currently. I've tried to restartx and nothing fixed. Any ideas beafore total system restart?
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06:24<jm_>szakal: try setting custom cursor vi X resources
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06:25<jm_>but it might not help if KDE overwrites it - or see if you can configure it in its control center somewhere (ask #debian-kde or #kde)
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06:30<Schreck>Hi guys
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06:31<Schreck>Can someone (I'm sure someone can) telle me where are logged events from iptables ? :)
06:31<petemc> /var/log/messages
06:32<petemc>or anywhere, with ulog
06:32<Schreck>Okay petemc thanks
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06:32<Schreck>The problem is that I had put a line : iptables -A logicmp -o eth0 -p icmp -s -j LOG --log-prefix "ICMP :"
06:33<Schreck>And I can not find in /var/log/messages
06:33<jm_>do you know what -A logicmp means?
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06:33<Schreck>Yes, I've created a rule to test
06:33<Schreck>Just to test... ;)
06:33<jm_>but do you know what it does specifically?
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06:34<Schreck>Add a rule to "logicmp" string
06:34<Schreck>Before, I've got iptables -N logicmp
06:34<jm_>no, to "logicmp" chain
06:35<crazyfrog>my / is almost full,i want to do some clean,what command should i run
06:35<jm_>so basically your problem is you need something that will route packets to "logicmp" for them to be logged
06:35<Schreck>Well... o_O
06:35<Schreck>Yes jm_
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06:36<Schreck>I've made a ping to try
06:36<petemc>crazyfrog: apt-get autoclean is one
06:36<jm_>no, you need another iptables rule, not ping ;)
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06:36<Schreck>Really ? :)
06:36<jm_>?? iptables tutorial
06:36<jm_>!iptabkes tutorial
06:36<jm_>!iptables tutorial
06:36<dpkg>[iptables tutorial]
06:37<Schreck>Thanks jm_ I'll have a look ! :)
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06:55<xpert>this sux, i will start using vista :(
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07:05<chandu>Hi ,
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07:05<chandu>I am passing kernel parameters , pci=nommconf and pci=routeirq
07:06<chandu>I want to make sure , whether I can pass these 2 paramters at the same time
07:06<chandu>will both functionalities work together
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07:17<Baggy2>I am only able to mount the first partition on my compact flash. I've tried deleting the second partition using fdisk, and recreate it, but still I cannot get it mounted... Any suggestions? Is the disk broken?
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07:18<jm_>what happens? did you create fs on it?
07:19<chandu>jm_, Can I pass kernel paramters as , pci=nommconf pci=routeirq pcio
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07:19<jm_>chandu: I don't know, i only useds nommc so far
07:19<chandu>jm_, Can I pass kernel paramters as , pci=nommconf pci=routeirq pci=nomsi , like this in the same line
07:20<chandu>jm_, I just want to know ..whether I can use all values referrring to pci , in the same time , same line as I mentioend
07:21<chandu>jm_, if can be , then is that format OK, or do I need to pass as pci=nomsi,nommconf,routeirq
07:21<Baggy2>jm_: I just added a new partition, ID 83.
07:21<jm_>chandu: I have no idea
07:22<chandu>jm_, ok ..
07:22<Baggy2>deleted and added it again.. I believe it stopped working after I dd'd a file to it
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07:22<jm_>Baggy2: you neesd to mkfs it
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07:25<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks =)
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07:35<leo>alguem por ai?
07:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:37<mike>was ist los
07:37<mike>whats up
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07:37<amphi>that crazy kurumin fellow
07:38<mike>how many of you speak german
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07:40<amphi>ich kann nicht deutsch
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07:43<mike>Woher kommen Sie
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07:43<amphi>und warum?
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07:43<mike>wo bist du
07:43<Kebianizao|work>I have several dsa keys to access a ssh server, depending on the user, I need to use one or another. is there an automathed method I could state a list so that if the first fails, try with the second?
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07:44<Kebianizao|work>I was thinking of any configuration file.
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07:45<aptituz>Kebianizao|work: start an ssh-agent, load them in the ssh-agents cache?
07:45<jm_>Kebianizao|work: you can specify several identity files yes
07:46<aptituz>Kebianizao|work: otoh you can just use several IdentityFile statements in your ~/.ssh/config
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07:47<Kebianizao|work>I see, I think I was looking for something like config, but I'll take a look at the agent as well, thanks
07:47<jm_>man ssh_config
07:47<aptituz>Kebianizao|work: see my second comment
07:47<aptituz>and jm_s comments as well
07:48<mike>anyone know why everytime I load up linux on my system my mbr for windows goes kaputt??
07:48<mike>is is an NTFS thing
07:48<amphi>mike: because you tell your installer to install a bootloader into the mbr? ;)
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07:48<amphi>mike: FWIW, grub will happily boot your legacy OSes
07:49<mike>it works fine for a day sometimes a month the boom
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07:49<amphi>bizarre - in that case, it's not the mbr IMHO, but the boot block on the legacy partition
07:49<Kebianizao|work>aptituz: reading man, looking for that section
07:50<mike>yeah how do I fix that
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07:50<amphi>mike: that's a windows issue
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07:53<mike>is there a distro out there that will play macrovission protected DVDs
07:54<hyd>Im having trouble with su and sux command. No athhentiation is possible. root login on F1 via login is working
07:54<mike>trying to get away from windows
07:55<mike>Bill sucks
07:56<amphi>mike: macrovision doesn't affect playback AFAIK, I forget exactly what iniquitous purpose it serves
07:56<jm_>so you can't record it with VCR/DVD recorder
07:56<amphi>mike: something about preventing recording dvd to vhs or some such IIRC
07:56<mike>copy protection
07:56<jm_>i.e. blue screen shit
07:57<amphi>jm_: ah, right
07:57<hyd>anyone have a clue what the cause may be?
07:57<amphi>mike: 'bill' is nothing to do with macrovision, that's another brilliant idea from the dvd consortium I believe
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07:58<mike>no but bill does have something to do with the blue screen of death
07:59<amphi>I thought they changed the colour - isn't it the taupe screen of death nowadays? I haven't used a windows since w98
08:00<mike>he is responsable for vista and windows ME what was he thinking
08:00<hyd>can you read me?
08:00<mike>what distro do you use??
08:01<hyd>debian etch
08:01<noflash>mike, would the name of the channel be a clue?
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08:02<hyd>su with correct passwd says: "su: Fehler bei Authentifizierung" -> "su: error while authentification"... Im german
08:02<mike>yeah but then you have splinter cells like knoppix witch is Debian based
08:03<noflash>!debian based
08:03<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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08:04<hyd>noflash: if this is for me, what is debian etch? is it not true debian?
08:04<noflash>hyd, it was for mike :)
08:04<mike>outch touchy on that subject
08:05<noflash>mike, I'm anal about spelling too...cya
08:06<mike>you must be a programer lol
08:06<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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08:07<Slydder>openproj is a nice package but the deb package is broken.
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08:10<mike>Hey thanks for the input guys gotta go to work now have fun!!!
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08:35<enforcer>whats the command to mount my NTFS drive?
08:35<enforcer>is it hda2?
08:36<enforcer>mount /dev/* /mnt/ntfs
08:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
08:36<amphi>file -s /dev/whatever will tell you what fs is on it
08:37<padski>i recall the wiki.d.o page being good also.
08:39<enforcer>I just need the file system switch
08:39<enforcer>-t ntfs doesnt work
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08:42<padski>error message ?
08:43<enforcer>$ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/ntfs
08:43<enforcer>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb,
08:43<enforcer> missing codepage or other error
08:43<enforcer> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
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08:43<tore>enforcer: try /dev/hdb1
08:44<padski>!tell enforcer about paste
08:44<tore>mount -t nfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
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08:44<padski>enforcer, you won't have ntfs on the main hdb device, that would be odd.
08:45<enforcer>when I go to open the dir, permission denied
08:46<enforcer>ls: /mnt/ntfs/: Permission denied
08:46<savio_r>How can I reconfigure X server in Sid. With dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I can't choose the video driver. Something change with dpkg-reconfigue...
08:46<tore>enforcer: I bet you created the dir as root
08:46<tore>set the right permissions.
08:46<savio_r>P.S. I am using Sid.
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08:46<enforcer>how do I set permission to user?
08:46<tore>read about chown and chmod
08:47<enforcer>its too late to read
08:47<enforcer>my eyes hurt dude
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08:47<enforcer>I will read tomorrow
08:47<tore>haha, lazy fucker
08:47<tore>chmod 755 /mnt/ntfs
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08:47<Torsten_W>tore: chmod on ntfs? u are sure?
08:47<tore>Torsten_W: chmod the dir that he mounted the partition at
08:48<jm_>you need to mount with right umask/uid/gid ...
08:48<Torsten_W>tore: the permissions of the monutpoint were set from mount
08:48<jm_>savio_r: wasn't there something about dropping that and mostly relying on auto-config?
08:48<tore>mount with user,ro
08:48<tore>or something
08:48<Torsten_W>tore: no, umask uid and/or gid
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08:49<philipp>my interface for the secount monitor dosent wor correct
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08:52<savio_r>jm_, what is auto-config? How can I change it?
08:52<enforcer>I can
08:52<enforcer>I can
08:52<amphi>!tell enforcer about enter
08:52<enforcer>I CANT play the mp3's on that drive
08:52<philipp>my interface for the secount monitor dosent wor correct
08:52<enforcer>!tell amphi about typo's
08:53<enforcer>' is too close to ENTER
08:53<philipp>is there any program who enables me to configurate it?
08:53<enforcer>when you're drunk anyways
08:53<Torsten_W>enforcer: "i can't" is not an errormessage
08:53<jm_>savio_r: automatically
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08:54<enforcer>I can't read any of the files or folders on that drive
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08:55<Torsten_W>enforcer: because u have no rights?
08:55<enforcer>why not?
08:55<philipp>my interface for the secount monitor dosent wor correct
08:55<philipp>is there any program who enables me to configurate it?
08:55<enforcer>I should have rights as a citzen
08:55<Torsten_W>enforcer: i don't know, tell me
08:55<Torsten_W>enforcer: what does "ls -la /mnt/ntfs" show?
08:56<enforcer>invite me to flood
08:56<enforcer>just come to paste
08:57<Torsten_W>enforcer: use a paste site
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08:57<Torsten_W>enforcer: have u mount the partition with umask=022?
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08:57<enforcer>how do I do that?
08:57<Torsten_W>enforcer: then do this
08:58<Torsten_W>enforcer: umount /mnt/ntfs && mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/hdxy /mnt/ntfs
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08:58<prahal>enforcer, you may want ntfs-3g
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08:59<enforcer>the dev is hdb1
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08:59<Torsten_W>prahal: why? if he want only read
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09:01<savio_r>jm_, How can I change it?
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09:01<enforcer>this is fucked
09:01<enforcer>stupid complicated shit
09:02<jm_>savio_r: you can still use a config file, but you need to prepare it manually - I am just speculating, as that's what was mentioned in blog of one of the guys
09:03<enforcer> can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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09:03*enforcer smashes the keyboard
09:04<enforcer>come on geeks help me
09:04<enforcer>geek it up lolz
09:04<amphi>enforcer: you could use pmount...
09:04<enforcer>english plz
09:05<Torsten_W>enforcer: u should use windows instead of linux
09:05<enforcer>windows is broken
09:05<enforcer>its running too slow
09:05<jm_>os/x then
09:05<Torsten_W>amphi: pmount is not functionable with internal harddisks
09:05<amphi>Torsten_W: point
09:05<prahal>Torsten_W, sure I missed the start of the discussion . Though even for read I believe -3g got a lot of optimizations (most release state this) . Could be faster even via fuse
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09:06<enforcer>I just want to play mp3's and pornos
09:06<amphi>enforcer: so just put in fstab with 'user', so $USER can mount it
09:06<enforcer>is that too much to ask for ? :(
09:06<Torsten_W>enforcer: what is the problem with mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
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09:08<enforcer>that fixed it
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09:19<lupine>hrm.... I have a bunch of files numbered "frame-1.png" through to "frame-108.png". I want to a leading zero to the ones below 99 (and the one below 10) so they order correctly. Any utility to do this?
09:20<jm_>lupine: sure
09:20<lupine>ooh, what? :)
09:20<jm_>prename or mmv, there are also GUI tools
09:21<lupine>ah, thanks
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09:24<amphi>lupine: or a couple of for loops would do it
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09:29<lupine>amphi: probably, but I got it with mmove in the end
09:29<lupine>mmv -r "* - [1-9][1-9] .png" "#1-0#2#3.png"
09:29<lupine>(for 10-99)
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09:35<prahal>any idea why debian kernel autoload crypto api modules while 2.6.25-rc2 does not ? same for ieee80211_crypt_* ....
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09:44<dmz>hey y'all quick question. what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 & linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686
09:44<dmz>is vserver domU or dom0 ?
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09:44<padski>dmz, vserver is something else
09:44<dmz>what is it?
09:44<dpkg>Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones.
09:45<dmz>why is it -xen- ?
09:45<padski>dmz, those kernels have both
09:45<dmz>ah so it' sgot the xen patches but not really made for it
09:45<dmz>ok i'll ignore it :)
09:45<padski>dmz, I am not sure what the use case is
09:47<dmz>i've not visited #deiban in a while, this is the quietest ive ever seen it
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09:47<padski>dmz, it is generally fairly quiet here during the working day in GMT
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09:48<dmz>well it's work day in est now
09:48<padski>at least since I came ... gosh, you don't think ... ? :-)
09:48<dmz>heh, no it's been probably a year since i was in this channel and at that time you couldn't even get a comment in it was so busy
09:49<dmz>it actually drove me away for a while
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09:50<noflash>dmz, you were probably on freenode's #debian
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09:52<sep>dmz, #debian grew so large we had to loadbalance it across 2 irc networks ... :P
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10:04<dmz>noflash no this was when it moved from freenode
10:04<dmz>oh well it is reasonable now :)
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10:31<Graveworm>Hi everyone! Does anybody know if there is a distribution out there, that's running completly into RAM? I mean it should work like a knoppix-cd with "toram"-key on startup but should be much smaller so that it can deal with old systems. All it should contain is some backup tools like partimage an so on. I need this because I want to restore data from a DVD but I can't use it if the system CD uses the drive.
10:32<amphi>Graveworm: iso perhaps
10:32<amphi>Graveworm: I've found that very useful at times; it fits on an 80mm cd, which is handy
10:33<sheep34>damn small linux maybe
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10:34<Graveworm>Yes I just read about sysresccd. But with it I only have the space of the DVD minus the space the system needs. But I need backups of several partitions.
10:34<amphi>Graveworm: eh? you can tell sysreccd to load entirely into ram
10:35<amphi>Graveworm: or boot it off a usb stick
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10:41<Graveworm>amphi: Yes I know. But my problem is that I would need to reboot the PC for each partition. As I read the FAQ, sysreccd uses some space of the DVD and uses the rest for the backup. But it isn't possible to use it with several DVD's in one run? USB is no option because the machine is very old. Another problem is that the users that maybe need to restore the data aren't very experienced with PC. So my idea was to give them two DVD's or so. One with the sy
10:41<Graveworm>stem on it, the others for the backup. I would then write a script that should restore the data without any user action. Except for the changing the DVD's.
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10:42<amphi>Graveworm: why would you need to reboot? boot off the sysresccd cd, remove it, and thereafter do what you like
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10:42<Graveworm>Ok. Maybe I can do this for each partition but the a reboot for each partition is needed. Maybe this may confuse the users.
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10:44<Graveworm>amphi: Oh. That's possible? As I understand the FAQ sysresccd act like a knoppix-CD with lesser need of ram. But I can't eject a knoppix-cd as it is in use.
10:45<amphi>Graveworm: sysresccd iso can be ejected, or used to be at least
10:45<Graveworm>Ah perfect. Then I'll give it a try :)
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10:47<amphi>Graveworm: "docache: this option is very useful if you need to insert another disc in the CD drive after booting. The CD-ROM will be fully loaded into memory, and you will be able to remove the disc from the drive."
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10:50<Elfir3>please moderators, take a look at this
10:50<Elfir3>oops :p
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10:52<petemc>Elfir3: whats that got to do with debian?
10:52<petemc>or anything
10:52<DaCapn>took place in pm and the person is in here
10:52<petemc>people ask for shells all the time, ignore them
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10:53<DaCapn>I can't say I ever got a pm like that... that's pretty funny
10:53<Elfir3>ah ok, sorry ... i'm not used to come here ;)
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10:55<Graveworm>amphi: Ah, cool. Sounds really like that that I want. Ok. I'll play with it. Thanks for the help :)!
10:55<amphi>Graveworm: welcome
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10:57<junky>bin zum ersten mal hier
10:57<junky>bin ich im richtigen channel Debian?
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10:58<Lartza>hi! i'm having a problem with my debian installation
10:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:58<Lartza>i can't get fluxbox to run
10:58<junky>oh I'm in english room
10:59<junky>but I can alos speak english :)
10:59<amphi>'kanal' ;)
10:59<Lartza>can you help?
10:59<Lartza>amphi, isn't it channel?
10:59<Lartza>i can't get fluxbox to run
10:59<amphi>Lartza: auf englisch, ja
11:00<junky>amphi kannst du auch deutsch ?
11:00<amphi>junky: nein
11:00<junky>kennst du dich mit debian gut aus?
11:00<Lartza>youre on english channel folks!
11:00<dpkg>fluxbox is, like, a forked off <blackbox> and is found at, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information.
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11:00<amphi>junky: what problem are you having?
11:01<Lartza>how can i ge fluxbox run? it gives me cannot connect to xserver error
11:01<amphi>Lartza: you have to start it from your ~/.xsession, or do xinit and type 'fluxbox' in the handy xterm
11:02<junky>I need some knowledge from people who can administrate debian servers
11:02<Lartza>i'm in text only mode because no window manager ans i need to type ~/.xsession?
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11:02<Lartza>or xinit and fluxbox?
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11:03<junky>I want du buy an vps server with 64 MB ram
11:03<amphi>Lartza: what does 'cat ~/.xsession' output?
11:03<junky>there I want to install Debian etch
11:03<Lartza>i dont have that comp plugged in right now
11:03<Lartza>is there a text based ir client? :P
11:03<amphi>Lartza: yes; irssi
11:03<Lartza>oh i forgot
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11:04<junky>is there any tools which are working well with such less ram?
11:04<Lartza>what about browser?
11:04<valdyn>junky: lots
11:04<Lartza>i cant install elinks
11:04<Lartza>and dont know any other
11:04<amphi>Lartza: I like w3m; there are also links and lynx
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11:04<Lartza>i dont know if elinks exists in debian
11:04<Lartza>im used to ubuntu
11:04<amphi>Lartza: w3m does ;)
11:04<Lartza>but ill try one of those thx
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11:05<valdyn>junky: why dont you ask a real question?
11:05<Lartza>do i need to put the cat front of xsessions thing?
11:05<junky>I DID
11:05<valdyn>junky: yea, 17:04 < junky> is there any tools which are working well with such less ram?
11:05<junky>you can read upon my question
11:05<valdyn>junky: my answer was "lots"
11:05<amphi>Lartza: w3m is handy for pastebinning, as it spawns $EDITOR for multine edit boxes, and you can just read in a file or run a command and capture its output
11:05<amphi>junky: yes
11:06<junky>valldyn sorry did not see your answer
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11:06<Lartza>do i need to put the cat front of xsessions thing?
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11:07<junky>baldyn my vps will only have 64mb ram, that means i have to install admin tools which don't need much ram if I install debian etc and want make it work stable which tools would you say I should install on it?
11:07<amphi>Lartza: just to see what, if anything, is currently in it
11:07<amphi>Lartza: did you try just running startx, BTW?
11:07<valdyn>junky: whats an admin tool for you?
11:07<Lartza>im new to debian
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11:07<Lartza>installed it to some old 500mhz cpu
11:07<amphi>Lartza: try 'startx' in your console
11:07<junky>like confixx
11:08<junky>or webmin
11:08<valdyn>junky: thats not in debian, ask the vendor
11:08<valdyn>junky: same for webmin
11:08<Lartza>i dont have it plugged right now because didnt know any text based irc so had to plug this ubuntu pc
11:08<Lartza>so startx and then fluxbox
11:08<Lartza>or just startx?
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11:09<junky>I only installed debian twice, what do I need to administrate an debian vps?
11:09<valdyn>junky: just a text editor
11:09<Lartza>well i need to go, thx for all who helped
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11:10<fossian>can u pls suggest me a good dvd writer?
11:10<fossian>i mean software
11:10<junky>baldyn a text editor ? for instance I want to connect 3 domains on my vps and each domain schould have its own traffic and webspace is debian allone with text editor enought for it?
11:11<valdyn>junky: debian has a text editor and also a web server, thats enough
11:12<junky>fossian here you can find best tested dvd writers
11:12<junky>valdyn thank you
11:12<junky>everthying is in debian etch? webserver and text editor?
11:13<valdyn>junky: do you have any idea what you are talking about?
11:13<valdyn>junky: is there ANY linux distro without both?
11:14<junky>valdyn I have the options before buying this vps to decide between debian sarge debian + confixx or debian etc minimal installation what should I choose
11:14<padski>valdyn, if there isn't, we should start one ;-)
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11:14<valdyn>padski: 1 floppy distro still might provide that..
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11:14<fossian>ok thank you
11:15<junky>I'm new in debian therefor so much questions valdyn I hope you don't get sick ansvering my querstions
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11:15<valdyn>junky: you sound like you will be completely helpless without something like confixx
11:15<padski>valdyn, stuff like openwrt scales down to very small platforms, it is usual there to provide a web interface, but perhaps not a shell.
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11:16<fossian>iasked for a dvd writere software
11:16<junky>valdyn I want to learn debian therefore I buy that vps, to play on it, you say debian installation without confixx is better way?
11:17<valdyn>junky: yes
11:18<junky>ok 1. I buy that vps with 64 mb ram only debian etch minimal installation, and if I want to connect some domains on it I need only text editor right?
11:18<valdyn>junky: you will need to learn unix basics before any of that
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11:19<junky>I can install packets with apt-get
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11:20<junky>other unix basics espacially debian webserver, where can I learn it and what should I search with google?
11:20<dpkg>from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian.
11:20<valdyn>!debian reference
11:20<dpkg>the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at
11:21<junky>dpkg thanks I favorit that sites
11:21<dpkg>junky: de nada
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11:21<padski>junky, 'packets' should be 'packages' and yes you can
11:21<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
11:21<junky>padski thank you for correct writing
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11:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:23<padski>junky, you are welcome, might also be good for you
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11:24<junky>padski I will collect informations from here and there then will lern it
11:24<junky>valdyn can you also give me tips or tutorial links?
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11:26<junky>padski what is better and use less ram apache or lighttpd
11:27<junky>I don't have any idea, how many domains can I host on an 64mb Ram vps?
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11:27<junky>on vps with 64mb ram
11:29<padski>junky, dunno, reckon it depends on a few things. please address general questions to the channel.
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11:30<SchwarzeKrause>What's the best way to get a logo at boottime just like in all those Fedora, Ubuntu and so on?
11:30<dpkg>bootsplash is, like, && (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy>
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11:33<padski>junky, you can certainly run apache2 in 64MB of RAM
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11:34<seanius>though maybe not some klunky webapp using php+mysql+gd or similar
11:34<junky>i've read in some forums that apache is not as fast as lighttpd
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11:36<junky>padski, wich packages do I need for debian webserver? + apache + firewall +ssh ? or more?
11:37<padski>junky, what has ssh or firewall to do with webserver ? you mean the whole system ?
11:37<DaCapn>apache is a web server...
11:38<junky>i must login to my vps from home do i not neet ssh a tool like putty?
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11:39<junky>dacapn apache is a webserver? ok thanks I have learned one more think
11:41<junky>to secure my debian etch vps I only need debian installed and text editor, is apache included?
11:42<jthomas>I have two computers running QuickSynergry, both Debian Etch, but I cannot connect them. Any ideas?
11:42<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
11:42<dpkg>somebody said harden was D:SbD, or, or read
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11:44<junky>how can i copy this text dpkg its not working I want to ad into word and print your tips
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11:44<valdyn>!what are you
11:44<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
11:44<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
11:45<junky>it workt with strg copy
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11:45<padski>junky, sounds like a windows client issue
11:45<junky>yes I use WINDOWS XP
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11:46<junky>therefore I don't know much about debian I installed only 2 times
11:47<padski>junky, you were saying you couldn't cut'n'paste text out of your irc client ?
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11:48<junky>yes but I could do it, I marked the text of dpd and clicked strg +c it worked
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11:49<padski>junky, you can talk to dpkg directly by doing stuff like /msg dpkg foo
11:49<mastorrent>hi, i just installed 4.0 (2.6.18-6-686) and can't figure out what is listening on port 3795 (netstat -tlp only shows a "-" in the PID field). what listens on 3795 in a default installation?
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11:49<valdyn>mastorrent: run netstat as root
11:49<mastorrent>i am
11:49<padski>grep 3795 /etc/services
11:50<mastorrent>most other connections resolve to PIDs properly
11:50<mastorrent>but nfs and 3795 do not
11:50<mastorrent>nfs i understand, 3795 i cant track down
11:50<padski>netstat -lpn
11:50<mastorrent>same thing, without /etc/services resolution
11:50<padski>will tell you which process it is
11:51<mastorrent>yes, i tried that... it still only shows a dash in the PID column
11:51<junky>valdyn i asked you something
11:52<padski>mastorrent, tcp or udp ?
11:52<mastorrent>its not showing up anywhere on google or in the debian wiki
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11:52<mastorrent>not that ive found, at least
11:53<junky>I'm getting angry
11:53<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
11:53<mastorrent>(information about port 3795, that is)
11:53<padski>mastorrent, could it have been exploited ?
11:54<mastorrent>highly unlikely... i just installed it yesterday on a clean machine behind two private networks
11:54<junky>valdyn everybody gave me tutorials give me tutorials too then I will go off
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11:54<jthomas>um do a google search for a tutorial
11:54<junky>are you blind?
11:55<jthomas>junky people don't help those that cannot help themselves, or that demand help.
11:55<junky>jthomas google gives me tons of information if I begin to read them it will laste over months
11:55<jthomas>what do you "need"?
11:55<petemc>a better attitude
11:55<padski>!tell junky about ask
11:55<jthomas>no doubt
11:55<junky>therefore I need that information to administrate my 64 mb ram vps with debian 4 etch
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11:56<jthomas>what is a vps?
11:56<petemc>virtual private server
11:56<petemc>cheap root server, basically
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11:56<junky>virtual server
11:56<petemc>one with only 64 meg isnt gonna be much fun
11:57<jthomas>i'd look at to start with
11:57<junky>I will lern and test on it and its very cheap 7gb webspace and 64mb ram for 4 euro for a month
11:57<mastorrent>would a paste (in a pastie bin) of netstat and ps be helpful?
11:57<padski>mastorrent, no idea :-(
11:58<padski>mastorrent, can you tear down services or boot to single user to narrow it down ? is it in the kernel ?
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11:59<junky>pete 64 mg ram is too less? i don't have any idea, if i have a forum with 20 useres at the same time online how much ram would it take
11:59<padski>mastorrent, can't hurt
11:59<mastorrent>i'll probably go that route next and stop one thing at a time... im remote right now tho so i cant do it till i get home
11:59<mastorrent>k sec
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12:00<junky>thomas i added howtoforge to my favorites thank you
12:02<valdyn>mastorrent: nfs kernel server?
12:03<junky>valdy I don't like you
12:03<mastorrent>not sure... i havent touched it yet so whatever is standard on the netinst package. how would i find out?
12:03<valdyn>mastorrent: "telnet host port", see if you get something that helps you
12:04<mastorrent>it awaits a response, but anything i send just triggers a closed connection
12:05<mastorrent>and doesnt output anything
12:05<padski>whats the story with rpc and ports these days ...
12:05<mastorrent>i dunno... thats my next task
12:05<valdyn>mastorrent: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel* stop
12:05<mastorrent>k sec
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12:06<pds>mastorrent: as root run- lsof |grep TCP
12:06<mastorrent>valdyn: that worked
12:06<mastorrent>both nfs and 3795 went away
12:06<valdyn>mastorrent: there you go..
12:06<valdyn>mastorrent: i just dont think that nfs is part of the default install
12:06<mastorrent>odd... any idea why it listens on both ports?
12:06<valdyn>mastorrent: i dont know how nfs works.
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12:07<mastorrent>ok, no worries
12:07<mastorrent>thanks for the help
12:07<valdyn>mastorrent: all i know is that it uses portmap and uses various ports, not just a specific one
12:08<mastorrent>so i restarted it again
12:08<mastorrent>and its using a different port
12:08<valdyn>mastorrent: thats what i expected
12:08<mastorrent>apparently it picks one at random
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12:08<valdyn>probably similar to what ftp does
12:08<user>please help ! How install Debian LiveCD ?
12:09<mastorrent>i was thinking similar to ftp-data
12:09<user>no icon Install
12:09<mastorrent>but apparently
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12:09<mastorrent>its the NFS lock manager (rpc.lockd)
12:09<mastorrent>or maybe mountd
12:09<mastorrent>or statd
12:09<mastorrent>i guess i have some more investigating to do
12:09<mastorrent>thanks guys
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12:11<Guest1230>mastorrent: how install Debian LiveCD ?
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12:14<Guest1230>please help me ! No icon Install on livecd desktop
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12:19<nofdik>?? skeak
12:19<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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12:20<feydreva>Hello :)
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12:21<dpkg>Test Failed.
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12:26<nofdik>sorry this's problem my PC i install ubuntu 7.10 there is problem is no update languede in italien
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12:29<ja>jo jo :]
12:29<Kropek>no i polskich znakow nie ma
12:29<ja>i emotikonow:(
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12:29<Kropek>oj tam ale kontakt jest :)
12:29<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
12:29<ja>no i git
12:29<ja>goscie :]
12:30<ja>super jest ;)
12:30<Kropek>!pl :)
12:30<Kropek>z/w ide jeszcze cos zjesc bo siem glodny czujem
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12:36<ja>jak tu zmienic koloer??
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12:37<ja>atwiej by nam pisac
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12:38<padski>!tell ja about pl
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12:40<Kropek>nie wiem andrzeju jak tu sie kolor zmienia
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12:41<Kropek>hello padski, what do you want to know about pl?
12:42<ja>fuck :(
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12:42<ja>czy jak to sie tam pisze :)
12:42<Kropek>co sie stao?
12:42<ja>no nie weisz :(
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12:43<Kropek>nie nie bardzo wiem
12:43<ja>ej ziom
12:43<ja>powiedz mi
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12:43<padski>Kropek, perhaps you can help to improve the pl factoid ?
12:43<dpkg>pl is probably perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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12:44<ja>czy mozna ograniczyc to pole
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12:44<ja>znaczy sie okno ktore sie wyswietla
12:44<Kropek>!ja ono jest ograniczone ma 640x480 rozmiar
12:45<ja>co on nie kuma skrotu pl??;/
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12:45<ja>a ja chce np 500 x500 :]
12:45<Kropek>padski, could you tell me what factoid mean? im not so good in english
12:46<ja>no nie kuma:]
12:46<padski>Kropek, it is what dpkg (a bot) said
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12:46<Kropek>ja, ale niestety masz 640x480 i musisz sie do tego przyzwyczaic :)
12:47<ja>ej :(
12:47<ja>od czego zaczac??
12:48<Kropek>padski, how to uptrage this dpkg without polish letters? I've got 100% english knoppix and no option for polish signs
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12:48<Kropek>ja bym zaczal od okreslenia srodka
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12:48<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
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12:48<ja>to to jest hight / 2 i height/2
12:48<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
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12:49<ja>mozna tak podawc i on sie nie gniewa i dziala poprawnie<lol>
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12:49<padski>Kropek, please take the polish chat to a polish channel
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12:52<mrteez>how can i setup the default video player in gnome ?
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12:53<lukasz>I get the fastswitch error
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12:53<lukasz>can anyone help plds
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13:05<Ursk>hello to all
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13:10<Ursk>why when I open a program, change window, also increases the temperature? if do "top" the process Xorg is high..
13:11<Ursk>May be the video card driver?
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13:13<Tharos>Ursk, hmmm.. no idea =S
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13:34<lukasz>Fastswitch prob solved
13:34<lukasz>I made an howto :)
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13:34<lukasz>I had to like pull my hair to figure it out :)
13:35<lukasz>The error ain't bugg'n me no more
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13:35<lukasz>But still would like it you guys to fix it :)
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14:04<vsayikiran>is there any package to do voice chat over LAN in debian etch or lenny
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14:05<craigevil>wengophone, ekiga, skype works but its not in the repos
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14:09<vsayikiran>craigevil: i want to chat in LAN not internet
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14:11<craigevil>you could always set up a jabber server, and use something like jabbin
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14:12<Sulla>Does anyone know of free shell accounts that allow psybnc?
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14:16<treyh0>is /etc/bash_completion gone forever in debian lenny and sid
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14:28<treyh0>bash is free
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15:06<debian_>Is anyone here?!
15:07<debian_>whats up
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15:08<treyh0>whats up with you
15:08<debian_>im bored
15:08<treyh0>apt-get install frozen-bubble
15:08<debian_>watchin a video by chris pirrillo about how microsoft should build a data center in Iowa
15:08<treyh0>cure for boredom
15:10<debian_>so is this room for developers?
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15:11<noflash>debian_, this channel is for debian support
15:11<noflash>anything else is off topic
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15:12<debian_>Does debian use the GNOME desktop?
15:13<debian_>I'm not seeing much support
15:13<jurg`>It uses whatever you want it to use.
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15:18<treyh0>debhelper: gnome is default if you use the regular cd to install and pick the "Desktop" task
15:19<treyh0>but there are also kde and xfce CDs
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15:31<jkkramer>using etch-backports, i installed git-core, which installed version when attempting to install packages like git-svn or gitweb from etch-backports, it tells me version is required. any suggestions?
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15:33<treyh0>jkkramer: apt-get -t etch-backports install git-svn
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15:35<jkkramer>when i do that, it tells me version is required. when i did that command with git-core, it installed
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15:36<jkkramer>specifically, it says "git-svn: Depends: git-core (> 1: but 1: is to be installed"
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15:37<StCyr>Hi, I need somebody to help me knowing to which package I should assing a bug.
15:38<StCyr>I have a lenny xen host that totaly freezes when I try to log in with gdm.
15:38<StCyr>I can log in with kdm
15:39<StCyr>All my system freezes. Even my xen host (oups I've wrongly said that I have a lenny xen host; it's a lenny xen guest with a etch xen host)
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15:39<StCyr>To which packet should I assign the bug? Xen, gdm?
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15:41<treyh0>StCyr: not sure, but i'm sure if the developer looks at it and thinks it belongs to the other package, they'll tell you :
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15:41<StCyr>I have also installed a little gnome package (which I don't remember the name) that displays the number of lenny-rc bugs as my desktop wallpaper. Maybe it's its fault...
15:42<treyh0>jkkramer: looks like you git-core from lenny/testing instead of etch-backports
15:42<treyh0>jkkramer: try using aptitude UI to select the versions you want installed and have it fix dependencies for you
15:42<jkkramer>i used apt-get -t etch-backports install git-core
15:43<jkkramer>ok, will try aptitude
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15:43<StCyr>treyho: yes, i will probably finally do that. But the problem is that I don't have any log yet to offer. My system freezes as soon as I log in and I have to shut it down to restore it...
15:43<kiler7>have problem
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15:44<treyh0>StCyr: nothing in /var/log/Xorg*
15:44<tiago>hey there. I need to run two commands before the computer is issued the shutdown command. What script should I edit?
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15:45<treyh0>(on the xen domU)
15:45<kiler7>J install debian netinstall and lite icewm-lite probelm is font J dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base problem /ect/X11/fonts/mins no have folder i go mkdir mins?
15:45<dpkg>[pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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15:45<gloupy>hi there
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15:46<gloupy>how do you configure exim to deliver mail to ~/Maildir instead of /var/spool/mail ??
15:46<kiler7>to me?
15:46<gloupy>exim configuration files are a mess
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15:47*StCyr is checking
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15:50<StCyr>treyho: X doesn't keeps enough logs. I have 2 log files (Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old) but they both relate to the current reboot, not the one from the crash.
15:50<StCyr>Is there a fast way to raise the number of log files to keep?
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15:52<StCyr>nothing in /var/log/messages
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15:52<esop>StCyr: Probably /etc/logrotate.conf
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15:53<StCyr>esop: nope
15:53<StCyr>nothing in /var/log/kern.log
15:54<StCyr>what a crappy bug...
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15:58<bgat>can anyone tell me why in sid, apache2 is returning the source code for lxr-cvs's "source" script, rather than running the script and returning the output?
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15:59<confrey>hi everubody
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16:04<confrey>can you help me? I'm trying to set a minimal debian environment
16:04<confrey>I use penbox and rox-filer
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16:05<confrey>I installed openoffice, from tar.gz, I can see the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, but I haven't related menu voices
16:05<confrey>excuse me
16:05<StCyr>treyho: the small utility to display the rc-bugs graphic is "telak". I'll try to remove it
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16:07<confrey>can you help me?
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16:10<drmay>don't know that confrey, sorry
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16:11<StCyr>treyho: Yeah! I think I have a backtrace
16:11<StCyr>this time only my xen gust crashed
16:11<StCyr>0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x84) [0x80c43e4]
16:11<StCyr>1: [0xb7f2c420]
16:11<StCyr>2: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ [0xb62e525d]
16:11<StCyr>3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ [0xb62e534e]
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16:15<StCyr>that's a RC bug :-)
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16:19<dr_Gonzo>hello mindenkinek
16:19<dr_Gonzo>én egy kezdő debian felhasználó vok
16:19<dr_Gonzo>és szükségem lenne majd egy kis segítségre...
16:20<dr_Gonzo>mellesleg irc-et sem használtam még soha :S
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16:26<doublem>salve a tutti
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16:26<doublem>qualcuno mi sa spiegare perchè dopo aver installato ubuntu l'audio del mio pc si è autodisattivato?
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16:27<doublem>come faccio ad abilitare di nuovo l'audio?
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16:29<doublem>c'è nessuno ke mi possa aiutare???
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16:30<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
16:31<doublem>ok grazie
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16:34<tiago>hey there. I need to run two commands before the computer is issued the shutdown command. What script should I edit?
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16:36<klando>is there debian cdrom with 2.6.24 ? (some netinst cdrom )
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16:36<tiago>klando probably not
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16:37<klando>no sid cdrom ? only etch lenny ?
16:37<tiago>there's a sid cdrom
16:37<tiago>I don't know where, though
16:38<klando>where ? I can't find it ...
16:38<klando>ah ok, thank you anyway
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16:39<klando>the download links for debian are just a pain, I have problem to find the good .iso everytime
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16:43<bgat>can anyone tell me why in sid, apache2 is returning the source code for lxr-cvs's "source" script, rather than running the script and returning the output?
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16:45<chealer>klando: yeah, no sid CD-s
16:46<chealer>klando: I think Kenshi Muto does Etch d-i with 2.6.24
16:46<klando>I find some .gz relative to that, but no iso.
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16:46<klando>chealer if you have a link, it would be great
16:47<chealer>!tell klando about kmuto
16:49<klando>oops, I was looking for the minimal CD (I boot from usb)
16:49<klando>hey it is a 1GB key .. good
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17:22<xpc>ey que pasa po aqui
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17:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:25<schloff>hey guys does debian now support ntfs-3g
17:25<dpkg>one warez list being sent to schloff
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17:28<chealer>!tell schloff about ntfs-3g
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17:35<schloff>why isn't it in the main depos yet?
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17:40<schloff>how should i chmod a directory if i want people to be able to read and write to the drive and its contents i normally do a chmod 777 but i heard this is highly unorthodox and bad to do
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17:40<chealer>schloff: it is
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17:41<lefty>what is this ?
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17:42<schloff>chealer: whats the better way to do this?
17:43<chealer>schloff: no idea. I don't understand what's bad to do in chmod 777
17:44<schloff>i wasn't paying attention the other day at work but i was in #debian and they were having a discussion about how this is a bad practice marking directories with 777
17:44<schloff>i couldn't read it at the time
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17:45<dkr>well, that's pretty much the gist. it is a bad idea :)
17:46<schloff>haha well can you explain why
17:46<schloff>or at least give a better practice to follow please
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17:47<schloff>brb rebooting my machine please don't say for like 3 minutes if you can thank you
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17:47<dkr>schloff: well, a basic security feature of *nix systems is separation of privileges by user. making things 777 eliminates any difference between users
17:47<octoserver>is there an ssh server install in debian by default?
17:48<jthomas>I have two computers running QuickSynergry, both Debian Etch, but I cannot connect the two. Any ideas?
17:48<octoserver>is it ssh-agant?
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17:48<dkr>octoserver: no
17:48<blarson>octoserver: no, it isn't installed by default.
17:49<blarson>octoserver: it's openssh-server
17:49<octoserver>blarson: what would you say is the best ssh server and client to install?
17:49<drone77>jthomas, do you have the actual synergy package?
17:49<octoserver>blarson: ok, should i just log into openssh-server on the remote pc using the console then?
17:50<blarson>octoserver: ssh is the client command. It is installed by default.
17:50<octoserver>blarson: sorryyyy, from the pc i will be at while remotely logging into the server with ssh server running on it
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17:51<chump_>sorry about that
17:51<chump_>i had to reboot into a different distro where my media was
17:51<octoserver>blarson: oh cool ,so the client command is installed already and I just need to install openssh-server, and they will both default to the same port numbers too?
17:52<jthomas>drone77: yes, i do. Apparently there is no config file for it, so I am looking into that.... I've never had to set one before tho.
17:52<octoserver>blarson: ok, i see in the package manager that openssh-client is installed already
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17:52<drone77>jthomas ah ok, well it's relativly easy once you have done it once, i dont bother with quicksynergy and just use the config file in ~
17:53<jthomas>shouldn't apt give me a config file? it does for everything else.
17:53<drone77>didn't when i installed synergy
17:53<jaimealberto>This is one of the bad things of using testning or unstable, I just updated my system and the fonts look ugly, am I the only one?
17:54<jthomas>myne looks fine; I am using KDE's antialiasing, that may be an option
17:54<jaimealberto>jthomas, are u using lenny?
17:54<jthomas>drone77: does quicksynergy require that config file also? again, I've never had this issue.
17:54<jthomas>yes, lenny
17:55<jaimealberto>well then I guess is a gnome problem
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17:55<jthomas>oh, something is ugly on gnome? no way, i don't believe it!! ;)
17:56<octoserver>blarson: how do i get the server to run, ? is it set to run on next boot?
17:56<jaimealberto>ok, another kde troll
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17:56<drone77_>i don't remember it requiring it
17:57<jaimealberto>the problem is that the font's first line from the top is not rendered
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17:58<jthomas>jaimealberto: i would bet Gnome has antialiasing also. Or it could have reset your DPI or your video driver, check into those.
17:58<jthomas>(it = your upgrade/dist-upgrade)
17:58<octoserver>blarson: never mind, i am reading the man for sshd :)
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17:58<jaimealberto>how will gnome change the video driver?
17:59<jthomas>not gnome, but your update.
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17:59<jthomas>maybe Xorg updated or something.
17:59<drone77_>jthomas, just try putting this in the config file (and change the hostnames =P )
17:59<drone77_>forgot link
17:59<jaimealberto>it seems like only type 1 fonts have been affected
18:00<jaimealberto>yes xorg was updated
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18:00<jthomas>drone77_: i shall, thank you! But a part of the QuickSynergy was that you just entered this data in the GUI and didn't need to worry about static files. I thought, at least.
18:01<drone77_>yeah, but might as well see if it works that way
18:01<jthomas>drone77_: there are no hostnames in that file. unless you made them into 'screen1' or 'screen2' ??
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18:01<jaimealberto>well dri is still working according to glxinfo so I guess the driver is the same
18:02<drone77_>jthomas, yeah sorry, just ripped that from the documentation
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18:02<jthomas>hmmm. well it may work, i'll try it tomorrow, gotta go! have a good night Debian peoples.
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18:03<jaimealberto>you where right, the xorg.conf file was changed
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18:10<cortex>Is there some firefox3-derived iceweasel apt source to be found anywhere?
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18:12<mike1980>HI I installed apache2.. What it the best way to make it accessible only to people on the local network?
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18:14<avtobiff>mike1980, firewall
18:14<avtobiff>mike1980, define "best way"
18:15<avtobiff>most secure? easiest to configure? funniest usage? most learning by experiencing?
18:15<avtobiff>easiest to set up?
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18:16<avtobiff>make it quick if you want my help, i am going to bed soon
18:16<mike1980>avtobiff: I want it closed to the web just open to local like it not even there to the outside
18:16<avtobiff>mike1980, define "best way"
18:16<mike1980>avtobiff: most secure
18:16<avtobiff>i understood what you wanted to do. define what you mean by "best way"
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18:17<avtobiff>not having an external nic is the most secure
18:17<avtobiff>pulling your leg a bit ;)
18:17<mike1980>ha ha
18:18<mike1980>I know with some distro's it's closed by default
18:18<avtobiff>it is a joke because i bet you want an external nic right. otherwise there would be no joke.
18:18<avtobiff>well the most secure way would be to not allow anyone to connect to port 80 from internet
18:19<avtobiff>or maybe configure apache so it only listens on the internal nic/ip
18:19<mike1980>well ya I want the computer to still be able to download update from debain
18:19<avtobiff>not sure about the difference quite.
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18:19<mike1980>avtobiff: or maybe configure apache so it only listens on the internal nic/ip Please tell how
18:19<mike1980>would that be in sites-enabled
18:19<avtobiff>mike1980, edit the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
18:20<avtobiff>mike1980, no
18:20<avtobiff>i dont have access to an apache2.conf atm
18:20<avtobiff>but i think there is a entry called "bind ip/nic" or something
18:20<mike1980>avtobiff: ok thanks that helps I will seach for bind
18:20<avtobiff>or maybe listen
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18:22<chealer>mike1980: did you check the Listen directive's documentation?
18:22<mike1980>chealer: no
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18:22<mike1980>there is no listen or bind in the config /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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18:23<avtobiff>mike1980, maybe check out mod_proxy
18:24<avtobiff>mike1980, check that one
18:24<bruce_>can any one tell me what te command to turn off the firewall is. i know its something simple but can remember
18:24<avtobiff>bruce_, iptables --flush
18:25<mike1980>avtobiff: ok thanks I found that the port is listen number is in ports.conf
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18:25<avtobiff>maybe do a Listen
18:25<avtobiff>or something.
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18:25<mike1980>avtobiff: ya thats what I was thinkin
18:25<avtobiff>mike1980, i bet that would be in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
18:25<mike1980>avtobiff: yes correct
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18:26<tore>mike1980: httpd:ALL EXCEPT in hosts.deny
18:26<avtobiff>mike1980, sorry. not of course :D
18:27<mike1980>tore: where is hosts.deny config file?
18:27<avtobiff>but hosts.deny would also work
18:27<tore> /etc/hosts.deny
18:27<avtobiff>mike1980, /etc/hosts.deny
18:27<mike1980>ok thanks alot guys I should be able to do here now thanks
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18:27<mike1980>Oh and I can deny with range right
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18:29<mike1980>so if I want and I can just do 192.168.1
18:29<mike1980>and it will let 101 and 102 in?
18:30<tore>httpd:ALL EXECPT
18:30<tore>should work I think
18:30<mike1980>Tore: thanks
18:30<tore>man hosts_access & man hosts_options
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18:31<mike1980>toreL thanks I will read
18:31<mike1980>tore: thanks I will read
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19:06<zeuz>chealer: are you round there?
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19:08<Gotico>Someone how do I install bitlbee on debian?
19:08<craigevil>apt-get install bitlbee
19:08<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
19:08<craigevil>or aptitude install
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19:09<dkr>hrm, I thought that factoid was more informative. :)
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19:09<Gotico>More he install automatically or have to set something then?
19:10<craigevil>i just use the bitlbee server in konversation
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19:11<jaimealberto>There is something wrong with apt, I have testing and unstable distros in my sources.list but I also have APT::Default-Release set to "testing" so why did apt upgraded my xorg to the unstable version???
19:12<Gotico>craigevil It is because I want to run a server and by in Portuguese, to be easier for users of my country
19:12<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: what does apt-cache policy xorg; say?
19:12<dondelelcaro>xserver-xorg, in this case, really.
19:12<Supaplex>!lart ooo lockups
19:12*dpkg duct-tapes ooo lockups to the floor and drools on him
19:12<chealer>ZeuZ: just passing by the PC... but just ask.
19:13<Supaplex>does openbox3 not support ctrl+alt+esc kill, or is that an xorg.conf value or something?
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19:14<jaimealberto>well it gives 990 to the testing version and 500 to the unstable version but the unstable version has ***
19:14<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: show the full output, please.
19:14<dondelelcaro>(use a paste site)
19:15<jaimealberto>give me a paste site url please
19:15<ZeuZ>chealer: remember you told me to upgrade some packages to SID ones?
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19:15<jaimealberto>this is wrong, it updated a lot of my packages to unstable
19:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:16<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: the output of just apt-cache policy; will also be useful, as well as your apt-get or dpkg logs.
19:17*AlgorithmicContr is away: Away
19:17<craigevil>wouldnt apt-get dist-upgrade, have upgraded him to sid?
19:17*AlgorithmicContr is away: Food tiem
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19:18<jaimealberto>well it was updated with synaptic
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19:18<craigevil>synaptic doesnt use APT's conf file at least not from what i can tell
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19:19<craigevil>oh yeah thats the package in sid, same as what i have installed
19:20<kyrsquir>I'm the first time on IRC. Can I ask here a question about debian configuring?
19:20<dondelelcaro>kyrsquir: yes
19:20<jaimealberto>I guess the problem is that if the unstable version is newer than the testing installed version it gets 500 points
19:20<jaimealberto>and the testing-installed version gets 100 points
19:20<craigevil>the problem is synaptic defaults to using the higher version number unless you set it not to
19:21<jaimealberto>what I am saying is taken from the apt_preferences manual
19:21<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: shoot, remember half of the solution is in explaining well your problem
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19:22<jaimealberto>synaptic uses apt library so I guess it must respect apt configuration
19:23<craigevil>no it uses the apt libraries the same way aptitude does, you have to set the Preferences in synaptic properly
19:26<jaimealberto>so that was the problem
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19:26<jaimealberto>and now how do I downgrade to testing?
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19:28<ZeuZ>good question, same as I want to know xD
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19:28<craigevil>downgrade isnt officially supported, you can set the preferences in synaptic to testing reload then downgrade to testing, but that would msot likely cause major problems
19:29<jaimealberto>i'm in hell
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19:30<craigevil>is the new xorg not working?
19:30<ZeuZ>jaimealberto: you could take the versions before of the packages you upgraded, and then uninstall then new, and reinstall the previous
19:30<jaimealberto>it is working but the fonts are not rendered correctly and is really annoying
19:31<ZeuZ>How do I remove a package with broken dependencies So I can install new softwares?
19:31<jaimealberto>ZeuZ, the problem is that it upgraded a lot of packages
19:32<moschi>question about iptables: i need to block a range of 64 addresses at the upper end of a subnet AAA.BBB.CCC.192 - AAA.BBB.CCC.255. does entering it as AAA.BBB.CCC.192/26 work?
19:32<ZeuZ>Well, in case that there could be mayor problems with that, I think it would be the only way... you could copy the previous version to a directory, and then use dpkg -i * on that directory
19:34<jaimealberto>It also removed anjuta and I am in the middle of a project
19:34<jaimealberto>there where a lot of libraries upgraded
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19:34<kyrsquir>I have two hard drive with two installed operating systems on them. The first HD has only one partition - ext3 formatted, with boot record, with debian installed on it. The second has 3 partitions - one active, formatted to NTFS with installed windows xp, another - ext3, reserved for linux data and the last one for swap. The idea is to make debian see second partition without mounting it. Is it possible?
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19:35<pbjman> Hello- I need help configuring my Canon MP810 printer. I have found almost no documentation, and even tried the commercial turboprint which failed to print a test page. Can anyone help me?
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19:35<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: the NTFS one? yeah, use ntfs-3g and update /etc/fstab
19:36<kyrsquir>Zeuz: and ext3 , reserved for data too
19:37<ZeuZ>Same thing, just add the partition to the /etc/fstab and you-re done... they'll be mounted automatically at boot time
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19:37<jaimealberto>pbjman, have you tried cups?
19:38<pbjman>jaimealberto: They don't have it listed, and I'm not familiar with it.
19:38<kyrsquir>Zeuz: during the installation of debian i mentioned /home when partitioned it. I can't remember what exactly were said that time, but something about mounting it there. What did i done?
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19:39<kyrsquir>Zeuz: i'm speaking about ext3 partition
19:39<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: Nothing that you cannot undo...
19:39<kyrsquir>Zeuz: what exactly?
19:39<ZeuZ>If you can mount the partition, then it can be done automatically so you won't have to do it manually...
19:39<ZeuZ>Just, as I said, add it to the /etc/fstab file...
19:40<jaimealberto>pbjman, checkout
19:40<kyrsquir>Zeuz: looks like i can't explain what i want
19:40<kyrsquir>Zeuz: anyway, thanks a lot
19:40<ZeuZ>Try again xD
19:40<pbjman>jaimealberto: okay, thanks. I'll check it out.
19:41<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: Don't give up, try to explain again from the root of the trouble...
19:42<pbjman>jaimealberto: Ah, yeah, I went to I downloaded the driver listed there... but had no idea what to do. They also linked at the bottom to try turboprint. But I couldn't configure that, either/
19:42<pbjman>.* :(
19:42<kyrsquir>Zeuz: i think that your advise will solve my problem, i'm just interested in what exactly debian partitioner have done about this partition and /home folder...:)
19:42<pbjman>Wait, nevermind. I think I found a way- brb
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19:43<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: Well, you can also see that on the /etc/fstab :)
19:43<pbjman>Yeah, mp810.
19:44<jaimealberto>PIXMA MP810?
19:44<ZeuZ>pbjman: talking about that, anybody knows how to deal with an epson CX1500??
19:45<pbjman>Yeah, Pixma MP810. Canon.
19:46<jaimealberto>that's a hard one
19:47<kyrsquir>Zeuz: at the moment it is empty... what does it mean?
19:47<jaimealberto>try giving the ppd you downloaded to cups
19:47<ZeuZ>Hmmm... are you sure it's empty? try to read it as root/with sudo
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19:48<pbjman>PPD? Sorry, i'm new to cups.
19:49<jaimealberto>the driver you downloaded
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19:50<pbjman>In .deb format? or rpm? What does cups take?
19:51<jaimealberto>convert those rpms to deb with alien
19:51<jaimealberto>then install the debs with dpkg
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19:52*Gotico Play Winamp [Gothic] Clan Of Xymox - Sing A Song [Pós-Punk]
19:52<jaimealberto>then you must install the printer in cups: http://localhost:631
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19:52<pbjman>Now what?
19:52<jaimealberto>checkout the cups manual or the generic instructions in
19:52<pbjman>Okay. Thanks :)
19:53<kyrsquir>Zeuz: it's alright, was my fault
19:54<ZeuZ>kyrsquir: Thaught that there could be something with some mayor problem if that file was blank xD
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19:54<abrotman>Gotico: turn that off
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19:56<Iwakura>heya, anyone around here using a Macbook Pro?
19:57<pbjman>jaimealberto: What file do I give it? It's asking for the ppd
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19:57<jaimealberto>there must be a ppd in those packages you just installed
19:57<pbjman>Where is it? :S
19:57<jaimealberto>use dpkg -L package-name to find out the files installed
19:57<abrotman>Gotico: TURN IT OFF
19:58<abrotman>Gotico: no one here cares what you're listening to
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19:59<jaimealberto>pbjman, dpkg -L cnijfilter-ip4200 | grep canonip4200.ppd
20:00<pbjman>"Package `cnijfilter-ip4200' is not installed."
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20:01<Aleric>Fucking "experts"
20:01<jaimealberto>pbjman, then you didn't installed the packages created with alien
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20:01<Aleric>I was on #linuxfs and they simply refuse to answer you.
20:01<Aleric>"we are the Gods, and you are just a lowly newbie who is only bugging us"
20:02<jaimealberto>pbjman, you have 2 rpms: cnijfilter-common-2.60-1.i386.rpm and cnijfilter-ip4200-2.60-1.i386.rpm
20:02<pbjman>My bad.
20:02<abrotman>Aleric: or maybe they are doing something else?
20:02<Aleric>They have no fucking clue who I am :/. And I asked questions of a very high level..
20:02<jaimealberto>you must, as root, run alien on them: alien cnifilter...
20:02<Aleric>abrotman: No, several were chatting.
20:02<abrotman>Aleric: oh well .. get over it .. ask somewhere else
20:02<jaimealberto>then: dpkg -i cnijfilter*.deb
20:02<Aleric>abrotman: It's a thing I see more and more on internet :(
20:03<abrotman>Aleric: then ask someone else .. whining here won't help
20:03<Aleric>Nobody else knows. Some things are so specialized you can only ask the developers.
20:03<abrotman>then use the LKML
20:03<Aleric>I'm not wining, and certainly not hoping that it helps.
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20:04<Aleric>I just want to get this off my chest, so shut up.
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20:04<Aleric>What is it with internet these days? In the early days everyone wanted to help everyone else as much as they could.
20:04<pbjman>jaimealberto: Thank you! Found the ppd. I'll try and see if that works.
20:04<Aleric>Ever since internet is available to the masses this has gone down hill dramatically :(
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20:05<craigevil>too many pppl asking the same stupid questions over and over that a simple google would have answered
20:05<craigevil>thats why
20:06<abrotman>Aleric: that is whining :)
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20:09<pbjman>jaimealberto: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed". I can access the login page from a web browser.
20:09<pbjman>So the printer is online.
20:11<pbjman>But I can't print test pages or pages from the web browser, although they both show up in the job listing.
20:11<Iwakura>I have a question that google can't answer, but probably you guys can't either, and all the #mactel-linux people are afk, heh
20:11<jaimealberto>if the backend failed it means that it needs more work than just convert the package to alien, maybe you can request a debian package to the developers
20:12<pbjman>:( Alright. Thanks.
20:12<jaimealberto>or look in the canon forum if someone make it work in Debian
20:12<pbjman>Yeah, I had searched there with no results.
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20:17<Ouroboros>why does debian installer allow encrypted / with dm-crypt but not loop-aes? will it work anyway if i disable this check? also, will encrypted /boot be supported at some point?
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20:18<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: does grub even support encrypted /boot? plus, what does it matter if /boot is encrypted?
20:19<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: i think it does... i have seen some (very manual) guides
20:19<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: and it probably doesnt matter except if its encrypted people cant mess with it
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20:20<avtobiff>well they can mash one byte from the fs and the entire /boot is crap
20:20<avtobiff>if /boot resides on an own partition
20:20<avtobiff>i am off to bed. night
20:21<Ouroboros>i mean, if someone steals my drive, they cant change a kernel image in a way that might compromise the rest of the data, without me noticing
20:21<Ouroboros>but yeah, its pretty hypothetical
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20:23<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: if someone steals your drive, your drive is compromised.
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20:23<dondelelcaro>you don't run anything on a drive that has been out of your control
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20:27<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: yeah i suppose that is true, considering they can rewrite grub etc. however, in some cases i may not be able to detect that it was tampered with (unless i carry it on me at all times)
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20:28<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: physical security for the device is far more useful, really...
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20:28<Ouroboros>in any case, i am wondering more about my first question, and in general, the security differences between dm-crypt and loop-aes
20:28<dondelelcaro>but in the end, all encryption protects you from is having your data deciphered in a reasonable amount of time. Someone with access to your hardware can easily install keylogers, etc.
20:29<Ouroboros>it seems like the biggest difference is that dm-crypt has only the passphrase, while loop-aes also has a key which may be kept separately
20:29<dondelelcaro>as far as the why, it's probably because whoever wrote the code to do dm-crypt knew dm-crypt, and no one has come forward and written loop-aes support
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20:30<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: someone on #debian-boot will be able to give you an exact answer, though.
20:30<Ouroboros>ok will check there
20:31<Ouroboros>i am also just gonna try it in vmware real quick
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20:33<Vanguard>ah... there are people here
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20:33<Vanguard>I can't see a list of other people int he channel, so I didn't know if this was the right place
20:33<Vanguard>anyways... I have a completely noob question, if anyone wants to help out
20:33<Ouroboros>there are 327 people (bots) in here
20:33<Vanguard>how can I switch from Gnome to KDE??
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20:34<Vanguard>327, eh...
20:34<jaimealberto>I have given testing packages a priority of over 1000 in /etc/apt/preferences but I still can't make apt-get update to downgrade the packages to testing, what is wrong?
20:35<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: update won't downgrade anything.
20:35<Gotico>[root@BRPub ~/bitlbee-1.1.1dev/] ./configure
20:35<Gotico>BitlBee configure
20:35<Gotico>gnome-config: not found
20:35<Gotico>Cannot find glib2 development libraries, aborting. (Install libglib2-dev?)
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20:35<dondelelcaro>Gotico: why aren't you just installing the bitlbee packages?
20:35<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: you need aptitude upgrade; or similar.
20:35<flair>hi which debian arch is for intel 64bit chips?
20:36<Gotico>dondelelcaro yes
20:36<flair>i only see amd64
20:36<dondelelcaro>flair: depends which type of intel 64 bit chips.
20:36<jaimealberto>then the apt_preferences manual is wrong
20:36<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: no, it's correct.
20:36<flair>not itanium
20:36<flair>jsut a dual core
20:36<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: apt-get upgrade; will also downgrade the packages if your apt_preferences is correct.
20:36<dondelelcaro>flair: that's amd64
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20:37<jaimealberto>well I'm using apt_preferences examples to downgrade
20:37<Gotico>Cannot find glib2 development libraries, aborting. (Install libglib2-dev?)
20:37<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: what does apt-cahe policy; say, and what does apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; do?
20:37<jaimealberto>if it is not itanium then you must use amd64
20:37<flair>really? so i can install using amd64? O_o
20:37<dondelelcaro>flair: yes.
20:37<dondelelcaro>Gotico: again, why aren't you using the bitlbee packages?
20:38<flair>ok thanks mate
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20:38<jaimealberto>dondelelcaro, well apt-get update does nothing it says that the system is up to date
20:39<jaimealberto>so does apt-get dist-upgrades
20:39<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: I need to see output, and apt-get update; may vary well not do anything.
20:39<Gotico>dondelelcaro Because I do "apt-get install bitlbee" then I do not know configure it that way
20:39<jaimealberto>what is weird is that apt-cache policy keeps giving 990 to testing packages
20:39<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: that's what it does since you've set a target release.
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20:40<chealer>Vanguard: install KDE, go to your display manager and start it.
20:40<dondelelcaro>Gotico: so you connect to localhost:6667 with your irc client, and follow the instructions
20:40<dondelelcaro>Gotico: or see /usr/share/doc/bitlbee/*;
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20:42<Vanguard>chealer - How would I access my display manager?? (I really am a noob with Linux)
20:42<chealer>Vanguard: you close your GNOME session (I'm not sure of what you need to click). or you restart the PC
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20:43<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: apt-cache policy; is what matters. Fix your apt.conf to not have a default release, and continue from there.
20:43<Vanguard>chealer - Thanks, I'll try that out
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20:43<dondelelcaro>jaimealberto: that's why I asked for the apt-cache policy; output, not your apt_preferences file.
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20:45<lackita>hey, I ran the command addgroup lackita cvs, and given a directory of group cvs 770 permissions, but when I try to enter the directory I get permission denied
20:46<Ouroboros>lackita: log out and back in?
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20:46<dondelelcaro>lackita: what does id; output?
20:46<dondelelcaro>lackita: have you logged out and logged back in or started a new login shell?
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20:47<lackita>ok, logging out and logging back in fixed it
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20:57<kurumin>e brasileiro
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20:58<kurumin>finalmente encontrei algum que eu possa conversar
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20:58<_jono_>Is this the place to come for debian help?
20:59<blarson>!tell _jono_ about ask
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20:59<kurumin>cade vc gotico
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21:00<Gotico>tentando instalar bitlbee
21:00<kurumin>qual o sistema que vc usa
21:00<Gotico>debian 3.1
21:00<Gotico>e bsd 5.4
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21:00<kurumin>mas em portugues
21:01<jaimealberto>dondelelcaro, thanks a lot I could downgrade xorg and now I can see the fonts complete again
21:01<kurumin>ja ouvi falar no bitlbee
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21:01<jaimealberto>now I will lower the testing number to 900, but first i will reinstall anjuta
21:02<Gotico>kurumin sim e legal
21:02<chealer>_jono_: yes
21:02<chealer>!tell kurumin about pt
21:04<_jono_>Thanks, i am trying the !ask
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21:06<Ouroboros>dont ask about !ask either :)
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21:06<_jono_>what if i did?
21:06<Ouroboros>i guess we would ignore you
21:07<_jono_>!ask I have a problem with amarok. When I start it I am getting a "cannot connect to X server :0.0" error
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21:08<Marou>looking for a keymap that works with all the keys of a Macbook Pro (Core Duo, first gen). Google fails me, message if ya have helpful info
21:09<dummy>hello folks, how does one disable building docs, when running the command dpkg-buildpackage -b
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21:13<gsimmons>Marou: See <> and <>, particularly the first link ("Hardware Configuration: Keyboard").
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21:14<etsorbme8>i have a ssh connection from one computer to the server (works great). I want to tunnel all my computers to the one and send all internet through to to the ssh server?
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21:16<_jono_>Anyone have any ideas?
21:16<_jono_>I think i messed around with xserver when i tried getting vnc going
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21:19<chealer>_jono_: the problem is only with amarok?
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21:19<blarson>_jono_: try "unset DISPLAY"
21:19<_jono_>Yes, i seemed to run rythymbox okay
21:20<chealer>_jono_: so it doesn't work from the menu item neither?
21:20<_jono_>From there it just hangs and does nothing
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21:20<_jono_>I still get the same error from "unset DISPLAY"
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21:20<chealer>_jono_: did amarok already work?
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21:21<_jono_>Oh, actually no it didn't
21:21<_jono_>I thought it was installed but that was before a reformat
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21:22<chealer>_jono_: can you launch konqueror from the console?
21:22<_jono_>Well i am actually running gnome
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21:23<chealer>_jono_: ah. do you use any other KDE application?
21:23<_jono_>No i do not
21:23<_jono_>I get an error when running kdeinit
21:25<chealer>_jono_: did you restart the PC since that problem started?
21:25<_jono_>I sure did
21:25<_jono_>Tried restarting the pc, and X
21:25<chealer>_jono_: are you able to start rhythmbox from the console?
21:26<_jono_>I get this error
21:26<_jono_>"cannot open display: (null)"
21:27<chealer>_jono_: what's the prompt in your console?
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21:27<_jono_>My bash prompt?
21:27<chealer>_jono_: yes
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21:28<_jono_>I get the same errors when i run it as root
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21:29<chealer>_jono_: are you able to start rhythmbox from a new console?
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21:29<_jono_>Oh, yes i am
21:29<_jono_>If i try to run amarok i get a floating point error
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21:46<snaqo>hello. can anyone tell me why there haven't been any new 'debian news' ?
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21:47<snaqo>that email list
21:47<abrotman>snaqo: do you want the full answer? or the short one ?
21:48<snaqo>heheh. the full?
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21:48<abrotman>snaqo: remember dunc-tank ? the guy that used to write DWN got pissed off about it because he volunteered his time. So he stopped writing DWN since he wasn't being paid .. or something along those lines
21:49<snaqo>really? that's bad ;|
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21:49<abrotman>snaqo: if you really want to know .. read Martin 'Joey' Schulze's blog and archive
21:49<snaqo>aren't like most developers/contributors 100% voluntaries?
21:49<abrotman>snaqo: see dunc-tank
21:49<chealer>snaqo: lack of manpower
21:49<chealer>snaqo: yes
21:49<snaqo>that's bad. me as an user liked knowing the status of development
21:50<abrotman>snaqo: you can subscribe to debian-devel-announce .. that's a decent place to get some news
21:50<snaqo>i have like no idea how close to a release sid is
21:50<abrotman>sid never releases
21:50<snaqo>nice.. will do that :) thanks
21:50<abrotman>lenny will .. some day
21:50<_jono_>chealer: You don't think its because I am using kernel 2.6.24?
21:50<snaqo>lenny, sorry hehe
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21:51<chealer>_jono_: not really, but I have no idea. "floating point error" is too vague
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21:51<_jono_>Yes, i thought so as well
21:51<_jono_>I can show you the error kdeinit displays
21:52<chealer>_jono_: no need. what's amarok's output?
21:52<abrotman>snaqo: if you'd like .. you can volunteer to write DWN
21:53<_jono_>Well thats the thing, it only came up with that
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21:53<snaqo>i wish i had time to contribute ..
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21:53<abrotman>snaqo: anyone can contribute .. you can write small articles for the newsletter
21:54<snaqo>i'm not sure i will even be able to keep track of the debian-announce emails heh :| it's a really bad time
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21:57<chealer>_jono_: which Debian suite and architecture do you use?
21:59<abrotman>snaqo: the d-d-a list is fairly low traffic .. and not always stuff that you'll care about .. it doesn't have some of the more interesting bits that DWN used to have
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22:00<_jono_>I believe i am using etch on x86
22:00<snaqo>i see.. like the status on the 64 bit port, secure apt, those interesting stuff
22:00<snaqo>that on etch devel hehe.
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22:03<Victor>How can i access to the detailed hardware information of my computer under debian?
22:04<snaqo>cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
22:04<Victor>any other ways?
22:05<_jono_>what do you need to know?
22:05<Victor>as much as possible.
22:05<snaqo>well, i gotta go, guys. thanks for the info
22:05<DaCapn>lshw is another that can be used
22:06<DaCapn>I don't think one single command will catch everything you could want, but those 4 should get you just about everything
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22:06<Victor>thank you.
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22:07<Victor>i am preparing to reinstall debian.
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22:11<RIVE>Hello, good evening
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22:40<Todd>while a friend of mine installing UBUNTU7.04 on his ThinkPad ,It shows the 'cannot access tty',Why?
22:41<Xenguy>Todd: sorry, wrong channel
22:41<Todd>Yeah ,I'm sorry
22:42<Xenguy>Todd: don't shoot the messenger (I know you weren't), they just don't support Ubu here ;-)
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22:46<Ouroboros>is there a list of all dirs/files that may change during normal system operation (/tmp /var/log etc.)
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22:47<Xenguy>Ouroboros: one might wonder why? :-)
22:48<Ouroboros>Xenguy: for installing onto flash... trying to figure out which things can be set ro, which can be mounted as tmpfs etc... i found some guides, but they are not complete
22:48<dkr>Ouroboros: check tripwire docs/settings?
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22:49<Ouroboros>dkr: intersting, will look into that
22:49<dkr>obviously they need to conf it to avoid false alarms,so I assume they have a list of files that get modified normally somewhere :)
22:50<Ouroboros>seems likely
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22:58<_jono_>Does anyone know how to get amarok to run in debug mode?
22:58<_jono_>Its still give me a floating point exception
22:59<Ouroboros>_jono_: did you get it from apt? sounds like its not compiled properly
22:59<_jono_>Yes i did
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22:59<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: the general method is to just solve the problem with a unionfs overlay
23:00<_jono_>Maybe i have the wrong repos
23:00<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: ah.... well that is certainly a lot cleaner
23:00<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: obviously, if you want to keep the changes, it's more complex, but...
23:01<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: my plan is to simply mount the thing rw when i want to modify it (e.g. apt-get upgrade)
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23:02<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: yeah, that's the sane way to go, IMO.
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23:04<Ouroboros>_jono_: you said you are running on etch/i386 ?
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23:05<_jono_>Yes i did
23:05<chealer>_jono_: are you sure about any (suite or architecture)?
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23:06<Ouroboros>dkr: /etc/tripwire/twpol.txt has the list
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23:07<_jono_>Yeah, its definitely etch
23:07<chealer>_jono_: why do you use Linux 2.6.24?
23:07<_jono_>i just wanted to compile my own kernel
23:08<Ouroboros>why not compile 2.6.18
23:08<_jono_>Because for some reason i thought i'd just stick with the newest kernel version
23:08<_jono_>so now i am thinking i should revert back to a stable debian kernel image
23:08<Ouroboros>best to stick with the kernel supported in the release, unless there are specific reasons no to
23:09<chealer>_jono_: well. are you sure the problem happens with a stock kernel?
23:09<Ouroboros>same goes for compiling your own
23:09<_jono_>I haven't tried it with a debian kernel yet
23:09<_jono_>Ok, im going to try a stable kernel
23:10<Ouroboros>if you compile your own, that means you have to rebuild it every time there is a security release
23:10<_jono_>Ick i don't want that
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23:11<Ouroboros>well, you dont have to rebuild it, but then you dont get the benefit of the security patches
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23:11<blal>So is fscked or what? (I know you guys don't administrate that website, but I thought someone here would know.)
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23:13<craigevil> website may be down but the server repo still works
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23:14<blal>craigevil : Have you tried recently? It's absolutely crawling now.
23:15<blal>craigevil : Would the access method (http vs. ftp) make a difference here?
23:15<craigevil>i just did d-u maybe an hour ago and there were a few dmm packages that updated just fine, but i cant get the website to load IW timesout
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23:18<_jono_>Alright, so switching kernel did not work
23:18<_jono_>I am still getting "Floating point exception"
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23:21<Ouroboros>hm, this only works in KDE?
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23:22<_jono_>I am trying to run it in gnome
23:22<Ouroboros>i dont think that can work?
23:22<Ouroboros>not sure
23:23<_jono_>Yes, it definitely can
23:23<Gotico>It is possible for a user's permission similar to root?
23:23<_jono_>I used to run it all the time
23:23<Ouroboros>ok, lemme try it then
23:23<Odd_Bloke>Gotico: Why do you want that?
23:23<_jono_>Well, on ubuntu i could
23:24<_jono_>Just recently switched to debian
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23:24<Odd_Bloke>You can definitely run KDE apps when not running KDE, because the packages will depend on all the required libraries.
23:24<chealer>_jono_: did you check Google?
23:25<_jono_>Yeah, i have been looking for an hour or so
23:25<Ouroboros> | there is this
23:25<chealer>_jono_: is there anything that appears in your .xsession-errors at the same time?
23:26<Ouroboros>well it runs for me
23:26<_jono_>Hmm, i get this error in xsession log
23:26<_jono_>Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/jon/.metacity/sessions/ Failed to open file '/home/jon/.metacity/sessions/': No such file or directory
23:27<chealer>_jono_: isn't that unrelated to starting amarok?
23:27<_jono_>Well, i do sometimes get "cannot connect to x server"
23:28<_jono_>so i thught it was relevant
23:29<Todd>Xenguy:well,I'm back!So do you know the answer?
23:30<Ouroboros>yeah i dont know
23:30<chealer>_jono_: when trying to launch amarok?
23:30<Xenguy>Todd: umm, yeah, you're still in the wrong channel? :-)
23:31<chealer>_jono_: at the same time as the floating point exception?
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23:31<_jono_>Actually, opening a new terminal removes the x server error so its not really related
23:31<_jono_>other then that error i posted nothing else was in my xsession
23:31<Todd>Xenguy:yeah i know!Could you help?
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23:32<Ouroboros>_jono_: is this a new install of etch?
23:32<Xenguy>Todd: /ignore'ing you might help - what do you think?
23:32<_jono_>Yup, installed last week
23:32<Ouroboros>_jono_: and have you messed with xorg/gnome/kde much?
23:33<_jono_>Hmm, not really that i know of
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23:33<Todd>Xenguy:yeah, you are right!Bye!
23:33<_jono_>maybe a little messing about when i was trying vnc
23:33<chealer>_jono_: which CPU do you use?
23:33<Ouroboros>_jono_: i mean, as far as which libs you installed and what not
23:33<_jono_>Um, for amarok i just got its depenncies
23:34<Xenguy>Todd: you bought yourself a half hour - enjoy :P
23:34<Ouroboros>_jono_: right, thats what i did
23:34<Ouroboros>and lemme tell you, that was a crapload of dependencies :)
23:34<_jono_>i tried uninstalling and reinstalling them too
23:34<_jono_>yeah, it was quite a few Mbs
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23:35<Todd>Xenguy:I will!
23:35<Ouroboros>100 MB for a music player heh
23:35<Ouroboros>_jono_: so which cpu is it
23:35<_jono_>I am using amd athlon
23:35<_jono_>But x86
23:35<Ouroboros>should be ok, i ran on opteron
23:35<_jono_>Yeah it should be okay
23:35<_jono_>Can i run amarok in debug mode?
23:36<_jono_>Maybe get a bit more info out
23:36<_jono_>Cause i am stumped on this one
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23:37<Ouroboros>sorry, not familiar with it
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23:39<chealer>_jono_: which video card do you use?
23:40<_jono_>Ati radeon x800
23:40<Ouroboros>_jono_: ar you trying tin VNC or real desktop?
23:40<_jono_>well, before i was trying to setup vnc
23:40<_jono_>but gave up
23:41<_jono_>so i am thinking i messed something up then
23:41<Ouroboros>why? vnc is pretty straightforward
23:41<_jono_>fglrxinfo is givine me an error
23:41<_jono_>Yes it is
23:41<chealer>_jono_: do you use the default X video driver?
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23:41<_jono_>i tried a couple different clients
23:41<chealer>_jono_: nevermind
23:41<chealer>_jono_: how did you install fglrx?
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23:41<_jono_>Oh, now there is no error
23:41<Ouroboros>_jono_: i use xvnc4viewer and vnc4server
23:42<_jono_>Um, i got the drivers from the ati website
23:42<chealer>_jono_: could you check your system's integrity (debsums)?
23:42<_jono_>Ouroboros: I tried setting that up, as well as tightvnc and it didn't work
23:42<Ouroboros>_jono_: how did it not work
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23:43<_jono_>chealer: What is debsums
23:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files.
23:43<_jono_>Ouroboros: It was having issues with x server :P
23:44<Ouroboros>_jono_: mmm, you should probably fix that first... i think you will find that amarok works under VNC
23:45<_jono_>I am running debsums now
23:46<_jono_>I can get vnc if i enable it just using gnome "remote desktop"
23:47<_jono_>basically i tried using tightvnc and gave up when it didn't work
23:47<_jono_>on my defense, i was super tired that night
23:47<_jono_>just 3 hours ago i tried using gnome remote desktop
23:47<_jono_>and it works
23:48<Ouroboros>what is that
23:48<_jono_>its basically vnc
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23:48<_jono_>i use the command "xvncviewer" to connect to it
23:48<_jono_>debsums showed everything as okay
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23:49<Ouroboros>_jono_: so does amarok not work if you connect to the machine in question from another machine?
23:49<_jono_>Hmm, i'll try that
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23:50<_jono_>Nope same thing
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23:51<Ouroboros>i am not sure if the video card matters in this case though
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23:51<Ouroboros>i would try to get VNC working
23:51<_jono_>I am starting to wonder if it does
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23:51<_jono_>That shouldn't make a difference though
23:52<_jono_>I am hoping i didn't mess with some x server setting
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23:53<Ouroboros>one theory is that the floating point error is in the video driver... under VNC it would not activated... not sure with GNOME desktop sharing
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23:53<_jono_>Maybe i'll try reinstalling drivers
23:53<Ouroboros>can you install from apt?
23:53<chealer>_jono_: did you try with a free driver?
23:54<_jono_>Well i think i installed from the ati website
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23:54<_jono_>because it looks like i am running glx
23:55<Ouroboros>can you use this one: xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
23:55<freeflying>can I use xen in sid with 2.6.24's kernel now? thanks
23:56<_jono_>Wow, for some reason by default debian has a ton of xserver-xorg-video-*
23:57<Ouroboros>xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-all or something, but they dont take much space
23:57<_jono_>Okay so i'll leave them
23:57<_jono_>So i just did a reinstall of the ati
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23:58<Supaplex>_jono_: all in all, those are tiny packages.
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23:58<Ouroboros>i think they take like 10 MB total
23:59<_jono_>Oh pft, thats nothing
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23:59<Supaplex>it's neat they abstracted it that refined :P
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