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---Logopened Sat Apr 05 00:00:07 2008
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00:00<RIVE>Hello. good evenning.
00:00<amphi>Kornne: the driver claims to support your card, "ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28) (PCIE)"
00:00<Kornne>But why my is not detected ? =s
00:00<Kornne>The card works ...
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00:01<Kornne>-r +e
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00:01<mike_>Holy crap, it worked!
00:01<mike_>Er, sorry.
00:01<mike_>I mean...
00:02<mike_>Thanks for the suggestions :-)
00:02<amphi>Kornne: I don't know what "(WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 4:0:0 could not be detected" et seq. means
00:02<mike_>I'm in a console right now.
00:02<mike_>Well, a vt that is.
00:02<mike_>I tried vga=798 (1600xwhatever) and it was like, "huh?"
00:02<mike_>But 791 worked great.
00:02<amphi>mike_: you set the console fb to the same res as X ?
00:02<mike_>That's going in my menu.lst
00:03<mike_>amphi: I tried (vga=798), but that didn't work.
00:03<vook>mike_: it's possible that 797 would've worked.
00:03<mike_>amphi: so I tried vga=791 (I think that's 16-bit 1024x768 or something??) and it worked.
00:03<mike_>vook: I bet so.
00:03<mike_>vook: I might give it a shot, but right now I'm just so enthused to see it working at all.
00:03<vook>My laptop won't take the 24 bit modes
00:03<amphi>Kornne: did you do dpkg-recondigure xserver-xorg ?
00:03<mike_>vook: I love the command-line :-)
00:04<Kornne>Yes I did
00:04<mike_>vook: Ah, I see.
00:04<Kornne>I'll do it once again
00:04<mike_>{vook,amphi}: brb :-)
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00:04<amphi>Kornne: did you set any resolutions etc?
00:04<Kornne>Yes, I added my 22"large screen resolution, I mean 1680x1050
00:06<RIVE>22" -of monitor, of course- is good :-).
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00:06<Kornne>Yup ^^ Great
00:06<amphi>heh, 10" more than mine
00:07<Kornne>I love visual comfort =)
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00:08<mike_>{vook,amphi}: Well, modes 79{8,7,6} don't work; but modes 79{1,5} do.
00:08<RIVE>Use to have two 19", i gave one to my mother in law, sell the other one, and y buy the 22", tought to buy another, but dont'fit in my desk.
00:08<mike_>{vook,amphi}: and I must say, 795 is pretty nice :-)
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00:08<vook>cool, 1600x1200 console would be pretty small anyway - ya, I use 795.
00:09<Kornne>I plan to buy a 30" one ^^
00:09<amphi>1024x768 console is pleasant
00:09<mike_>Yeah, I'm going to go check out cacafire now :-)
00:09<mike_>Oh yes, that is awesome.
00:09<mike_>Now cmatrix...
00:09<amphi>mike_: try mplayer -vo fbdev2 whatever ;)
00:10<mike_>amphi: Haha, I've heard of that... I'd have to get some media first, though :-D
00:10<Kornne>what is the command to reconfigure xorg.conf ? I mean, to access the script ?
00:10<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
00:11<Kornne>Thanks =)
00:11<mike_>Is dpkg a bot?
00:11<mike_>Ah, it appears to be so.
00:11<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
00:11<mike_>Heh heh heh, nice :-)
00:12<mike_>Interesting bot.
00:12<Kornne>Wait, i'm coming back
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00:13<mike_>Mmmmm, vi as it was meant to be, unhampered by silly gtk.
00:13<mike_>High-resolution ascii art, here I come!
00:13<dpkg>somebody said bb was apt-get install bb && bb. Barbados
00:14<cusco>show of from the aa lib
00:14<vook>wo amphi - thanks, I've never seen that before. I was expecting an ascii movie.
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00:15<kornne>No, i've got the same error
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00:16<amphi>kornne: perhaps changing "ati" to "radeon" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help
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00:16<kornne>I'm not sure
00:17<kornne>I remember that I made it in another way (a long time ago)
00:17<kornne>I've set another driver ...
00:17<kornne>Don't really remember which one =s
00:17<amphi>the only alternative is fglrx, which should be something of a last resort, IMHO
00:18<kornne>It is this one
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00:19<amphi>kornne: have a look at
00:19<kornne>I should just change the driver in xorg.conf ?
00:21<amphi>kornne: it seems you are not alone
00:21<amphi>small consolation
00:22<kornne>small ... but i'll try to load it with fglrx
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00:23<amphi>according to that page, fglrx does not work well on that card either
00:23<amphi>but it is quite olf
00:23<kornne>I hope it'll work better
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00:28<kornne>I found a french tutorial explaining how to do it with fglrx \o/ And it seems to work
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00:30<amphi>rejoice, moderately ;)
00:30<kornne>So, let's try it now...
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00:32<kornne>It works !
00:32<kornne>I have my screen full displayed ^^
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00:36<stickman>hi. i just got a p4 machine and wanted to see what hyperthreading was all about but i see it's disabled looking at dmesg
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00:38<stickman>i've added ht=on on kernel command line with no success
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00:48<Supaplex>why would I have repeating keys in debian installer? I've tried etch and lenny installers (netboot). I can type at the grub menu fine, but not after.
00:50<ranix>Supaplex: are you perhaps using a broken keyboard
00:50<Supaplex>I've tried three keyboards
00:50<ranix>usb, ps2?
00:50<Supaplex>one for certian is known good
00:50<ranix>all usb?
00:50<Supaplex>yup. no ps/2 ports on this box
00:50<ranix>what kind of box
00:50<Supaplex>vostro 200
00:51<Supaplex>core2duo ^.^
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00:52<ranix>I don't see anyone else having similar trouble
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00:52<ranix>do you have any other usb devices connected?
00:53<ranix>you've got me
00:54<Supaplex>I think Dell is a new word for noob. (at least for their tech support). they think a new keyboard will help. lol
00:54<ranix>your fault for having a dell
00:54<ranix>did you find it on the road or what
00:54<gsimmons>stickman: Verify that your processor supports hyper-threading, ensure the relevant BIOS option (eg. "Hyper-Threading Technology") is enabled. Debian kernels have CONFIG_X86_HT enabled, no requirement for a kernel parameter to be provided. Then examine /proc/cpuinfo ('ht' flag, presence of processors #0 and #1).
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00:56<stickman>thanks gsimmons, i've done the above. no bios options to enable/disable ht. cpuinfo does in fact list only one cpu
00:57<stickman>gsimmons: i was assuming a p4 2.66 was ht. maybe it's not
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00:58<ranix>stickman: your motherboard might not support ht
00:59<stickman>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
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00:59<ranix>stickman: I personally have a Northwood 2.4ghz P4 that supports it, and a motherboard that does not
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00:59<ranix>2.66 is probably a prescott, which definitely does
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01:00<stickman>on to more research. visited board vendor's site and i thought i did see ht. i'll have to go back. thanks guys
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01:01<ranix>ht isn't worth the effort unless you have a specific reason for wanting it
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01:09<Kornne>I have another last problem =s When I cange the access rights to some folders, and if I reboot, I have to change those rights again as root ...
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01:09<Kornne>Is it possible to save the given rights ?
01:10<Supaplex>'some' folders? what filesystem?
01:10*Supaplex tries a real netinst image instead of a mini.iso :-/
01:11<Kornne>ntfs .. I have mounted some partitions with windows on it
01:11<Supaplex>ntfs support in linux is, pretty much, one and only one user.
01:11<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: I just added a Netmos parallel card. It lists in lspci and syslog shows it loaded okay. Do I have to do anything to use the new parallel port now? My application doesn't seem to be able to use the new parallel port and I can't figure out the problem.
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01:12<Kornne>Okay, thank you very much, Supaplex =)
01:12<Supaplex>you can use mount options to affect some of the permissions, but changes are not persistant.
01:12<Kornne>No, I use chmod then
01:12<Supaplex>ooorrrr you could pull a fast one, and possibly stack odf+unionfs on it
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01:12<Kornne>But when I reboot, i can't access those files if I don't change the rights again
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01:17<Woet`>griffin012cgh@WTQ002:~$ screen -mds server77 cd /home/griffin012cgh/server77/ && ./server77
01:17<Woet`>bash: ./server77: is a directory
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01:17<Woet`>how to give the folder with it?
01:17<Woet`>it should start 'server77' in the folder /home/griffin012cgh/server77
01:17<Woet`>but how?
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01:20<Supaplex>your && isn't seen by screen
01:20<Woet`>i know
01:20<Woet`>but how to cd to a folder, then start the file from there
01:20<Woet`>all in screen?
01:20<Woet`>oh wait
01:20<Woet`>cd first, then screen
01:20<Supaplex>try cd /home/griffin012cgh/server77/ ... right
01:20<ranix>you can also change pwd
01:20<ranix>instead of using cd
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01:25<stickman>ranix: ht is just something new to play with
01:25<dpkg>...but ht is already something else...
01:25<ranix>dpkg is confused, don't mind him
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01:25<stickman>he's drunker than i
01:25<Supaplex>!beer stickman
01:25*dpkg pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for stickman
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01:26*mike_ wishes he had a Dogfishhead.
01:26*mike_ goes to the fridge and cries.
01:26<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: I just added a Netmos parallel card. It lists in lspci and syslog shows it loaded okay. Do I have to do anything to use the new parallel port now? My application doesn't seem to be able to use the new parallel port and I can't figure out the problem.
01:26<ranix>do you have /dev/lpwhatever
01:26<ranix>lptwhatever rather
01:27<chaoticmass>I have /dev/lp0, /dev/lp1/
01:27<ranix>/dev/lp1 is likely to be the netmos
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01:29<ranix>chaoticmass: the 9835 might also have two serial ports
01:29<chaoticmass>The application opens /dev/port, then addresses the parallel port by the address like 0x378 or 0x278. lspci reports the address for the netmos port is 0xb000. I can't get anything to write to the netmos parallel port no matter what I try. The on board parallel port works fine (except I can't use it because its hard wired into an LCD on this set-top box)
01:31<ranix>0xb000 isn't right
01:31<chaoticmass>If I change the application to open /dev/lp0 or /dev/lp1 instead of /dev/port it will give read errors and doesn't work on either parallel port
01:31<ranix>should be 0xdd00 or 0xd400
01:31<ranix>for a netmos
01:31<ranix>what version of card do you have
01:32<ranix>netmos might have a kernel module for it on their website
01:32<chaoticmass>ranix: well, I suspected 0xb000 was odd, but all I've got to go by is lspci -v's output. The card is a netmos MCS9805 (parallel only)
01:32<dpkg>chaoticmass: what are you talking about?
01:33<chaoticmass>dpkg : aren't you a bot?
01:33<ranix>yep, linux drivers for that exist
01:33<ranix>I just happen to use these in medical equipment
01:33<chaoticmass>thats good
01:34<chaoticmass>I was afraid I was stuck
01:34<chaoticmass>do I have to rejigger my kernel or something?
01:34<ranix>I'm helpful, check me out
01:34<ranix>it's probably just a kernel module you modprobe -i
01:34<chaoticmass>ohh, so just because it shows in lspci doesn't mean it's got a driver
01:35<ranix>oh, it's a pdf
01:35<chaoticmass>ah, I think you got the same thing I got earlier
01:36<ranix>ah it's telling you to set the parallel port addresses manually
01:36<ranix>do you only have one onboard lpt??
01:36<chaoticmass>link, info?
01:36<chaoticmass>well, there is one onboard physical port I can see
01:36<chaoticmass>I can't swear there isn't another 'port'
01:37<vook>chaoticmass: ya - it'll show up in lspci whether it's working or not.
01:38<chaoticmass>A linux kernel mailinglist post from 2004 talks about a patch for the parport driver needed to support NetMOS 9805
01:38<chaoticmass>how to tell if the new-hotness 2008 parport supports the chip or not...
01:40<ranix>the instruction manual for the 9805 is assuming your onboard lpt is 0x3f8 irq 4
01:40<ranix>this sounds wrong to me
01:40<ranix>that sounds like a serial port
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01:40<chaoticmass>my syslog talks about "parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7" and "parport1: PC-style at 0xb000 (0xb400)"
01:41<ranix>chaoticmass: ok good. Do this as root: modprobe parport_pc io=0x378,a400 irq=7,18
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01:42<chaoticmass>k, done
01:42<ranix>try writing to your lp1
01:42<Supaplex>!pciid [8086:10c0]
01:42<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 8086:10c0 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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01:43<Supaplex>my sid box isn't handy. will someone run the above on a 2.6.24 kernel?
01:43<ranix>chaoticmass: if that doesn't work...
01:44<ranix>chaoticmass: ok good. Do this as root: modprobe parport_pc io=0x378,b400 irq=7,18
01:44<ranix>ignore the ok good. :(
01:44<chaoticmass>when I write to the onboard lp I do "relay -p 0x378 all set", so to do the new port would that be "relay -p a400 all set" ?
01:44<rrm>what up with the deb repositories... I can not get them on my ppc
01:44<ranix>chaoticmass: that should be acceptable
01:45<chaoticmass>I tried both ways, no juice. Where did you get IRQ 18 from?
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01:45<ranix>a400 is a 16 bit i/o address and 0x378 is an 8 bit address, you might not like 16 bit addresses
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01:45<ranix>I could be totally confused though
01:45<ranix>irq18 is the irq all 98xx cards use in linux and windows
01:46<ranix>you could try irq17 with b400 also, to be safe
01:46<chaoticmass>ranix: I see you got irq 18 from the manual. My lspci says the card is on irq 10
01:46<dpkg>chaoticmass: I think you lost me on that one
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01:46<chaoticmass>why the heck is dpkg talking to me?
01:46<ranix>you can try irq10 but that doesn't sound right
01:46<ranix>dpkg thinks he is me
01:46<ranix>ranix, tell chaoticmass about beer
01:47<chaoticmass>the screenshot from the manual shows lspci and irq 18, so I will try irq 10, what my lspci says
01:47<rrm>anyone got an answer to my problem?
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01:47<rrm>the ppc repository not being available?
01:47<ranix>rrm: try mirror?
01:47<Supaplex>rrm: try a different mirror.
01:48<rrm>oh... did not know of other
01:48<chaoticmass>still no good. tried modprobing as before but with irq=7,10
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01:48<Supaplex>!tell rrm -about mirrors
01:48<rrm>so ?
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01:49<chaoticmass>is there a way to test if this is a problem with the card & driver or just a problem with my software?
01:50<Supaplex>chaoticmass: uhmm... try it in a different machine? different os? (hey, even a non-free os, if that's what it takes to troubleshoot it)
01:50<Supaplex>rrm: try it and see
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01:51<ranix>chaoticmass: if you install it in windows, you may be able to copy the resource and irq it gets and feed them to modprobe
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01:52<chaoticmass>if "modprobe parpot_pc io=blah blah blah" SETs the setting... how do I read what current setting it has to verify it?
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01:55<chaoticmass>I'd have to put the card into another machine to boot it in windows, and if I don't that won't the IRQ's and stuff be different?
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01:57<ranix>chaoticmass: all good questions
01:57<ranix>chaoticmass: if it can wait till Monday, just call the engineers at mosfit up and say sup
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01:57<chaoticmass>I wonder if that would work
01:58<ranix>chaoticmass: otherwise you should be able to get it to work after a few hours of fumbling
01:58<chaoticmass>Tomorrow I will try another chipset at work tomorrow if I can
01:58<chaoticmass>see, its late, I'm getting jumbled
01:59<ranix>think of it this way, at least it's not a WCSC card
01:59<chaoticmass>whats that
01:59<ranix>big i/o chipset maker in the 90s
01:59*rrm is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on)
01:59<ranix>they had a little red box on them to set the irq and address
01:59<chaoticmass>sounds folksy... thats what I want in an engineering company.. yep
02:00<ranix>it's actually kind of fun to ask what kind of card someone has, and they reply "Willies"
02:00<ranix>We call them the Willie's cards
02:01<ranix>for obvious reasons
02:01<ranix>I am also rambling
02:01<chaoticmass>Probably a pacific rim company trying to pick a friendly american name
02:01<ranix>good night
02:01<chaoticmass>thanks for the help
02:01<chaoticmass>gave me some direction
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02:22<janrocks>hey -- 20 seconds.. not enough patience. Recommend he posts on gentoo bugtracker for his help ;)
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02:23<Supaplex>he's got a serious case of ADD :p
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02:44<kerem>good morning
02:45<RIVE>Hi kerem, good mourning.
02:45<kerem>is it always this calm?
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02:47<jberryman>Okay, I'll go: why is it that my /var/log/messages is printing this every 20 min:
02:47<jberryman>Apr 5 01:25:39 my_hostname -- MARK --
02:48<jberryman>...(rather: in /var/log/messages is printed)
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02:50<phorce1>jberryman: to let you know the logging is still working even when there's nothing going on that would otherwise be printed in the log
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02:53<phorce1>jberryman: and also to give you a reference point in the even of a full system crash. Even if you're not present you'l know when it happened within 20 minutes time. The time is configurable. man syslog
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02:54<jberryman>phorce1: thanks. that question was definitely a candidate for a google search.
02:55<jberryman>came here to chat about something. then issues started growing exponentially the way they can.
02:55<jberryman>that means bedtime for me.
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03:07<hey>To get wireless to ork do ijus have t put the wireless card drivers in my drivers folder then reboot?/? C an any one help me.
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03:21<hey>can some one tell me if apt-get is mandatory.Or is ther if somthing isnt working?
03:21<hey>i mean if apt-get update is
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03:21<rrm>does anyone the monitor settings for a ibook g3 with 12 inch monitor
03:22<rrm>hi rive... do tell
03:22<RIVE>rrm, let me check mi blog to give you the HorizSync and VertRefresh.
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03:24<RIVE>HorizSync 28-5 VertRefresh 43-60
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03:28<rrm>lets if it works after the reboot
03:29<rrm>wow.. worked
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03:30<RIVE>Thats fine, i'm glad to help you.
03:30<newadventure>hey,how do you run .exe files? cxan you help?
03:30<newadventure>do they just go in bin?
03:31<newadventure>when i do ls command what are the green colors?
03:32<newadventure>but then thers blue ones are htose dirs or something?
03:32<newadventure>i cant execute a .exe file either
03:33<RIVE>Yes, those are dirs.
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03:33<newadventure>k thanks
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03:39*rrm is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on)
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03:40<Xenguy>rrm: turn it off :-)
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03:40<vsayikiran>does any know which module in linux controls internal mic
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03:45<vsayikiran>please help me. i am unable to record sound with my internal mic using sound recorder program. sometimes it will record and sometimes it wont, any idea
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03:48<newadventure>i have this for this vmware and i want windows.whwer do i put it?? ((# 01 /dev/hdd1 linux-swap 509.84MB)) ((#02 /DEV/HDD2 reiserfs 9.00GB)) ((#03 /devhdd-1 free 9.58GB))
03:49<newadventure>any one know?
03:49<vsayikiran>please help me. i am unable to record sound with my internal mic using sound recorder program. sometimes it will record and sometimes it wont, any idea
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03:49<vsayikiran>does anyone know how to record sound using any recording package
03:50<newadventure>any done nay dual booting befor?/?
03:50<vsayikiran>newadventure: yes i am dual booting winxp and etch
03:51<newadventure>how do i get winxp to be reconized by grub or whatever?
03:52<@weasel>vsayikiran: audacity?
03:52<newadventure>i have no windows on here but i want it to dual boot
03:52<vsayikiran>weasel: how to record with audacity
03:52<@weasel>click the button.
03:53<vsayikiran>weasel: i am able to record using sound-recorder, but sometimes it will record and sometimes it wont, wat could be the reason
03:53<@weasel>no idea
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03:54<vsayikiran>weasel: which sound hardware are you using
03:54<@weasel>whatever is in my HP pc.
03:54<vsayikiran>weasel: so you what is that whatever i suppose
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03:55<vsayikiran>weasel: is it inel HDA or realtek sound card
03:56<vsayikiran>weasel: audacity is working fine with your intel hardware
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03:57<vsayikiran>weasel: are there any know problems with audacity, will it work simulataneously with rhythmbox
03:57<@weasel>no idea
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03:58<leecher>Does any know a place to get every command line argument ther is???????
03:58<MoDaX>leecher: man
03:58<leecher>for like all of linux
03:58<leecher>man command?
03:59<leecher>like a list of all the command line arguments and a small discription of them all?
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04:39<kapil>leecher: you mean all commands i suppose.
04:40<kapil>vsayikiran: you probably have a sound daemon like arts or esd or pulseaudio that is trying to grab your sound device.
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05:21<aptituz>eisenhower: any special reason for that message?
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05:22<eisenhower>whops sorry
05:22<eisenhower>yea. i'm trying to get bloody peap wireless working
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05:22<leecher>a progra and i do ./configure and its fine then i do make and it syays "no rule to make target" install stop. Ever seen that????????
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05:24<leecher>has anyone ever seen the error "no rule to make target" install stop,write after you do ./configure?
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05:36<xukun>Hi all. I screen of my laptop is very dark when its not connected with ac adapter. How can I change this in ubuntu?
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05:39<cahoot>xukun: this channel isn't really for ubuntu-support, there are probably some howtos on ubuntu's support site(s) - xbacklight can be of use
05:40<xukun>cahoot, sorry I see I,m on the wrong channel
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06:06<Instinct>Hi guys!
06:06<Instinct>I need some help with a linux installation, please.
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06:07<Instinct>Anyone here?
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06:11<tweber>Instinct, just describe your problem!
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06:13<Instinct>Oh, sorry, kind of new to this, was waiting for a response. Well, I am setting up a digital photoframe, selfmade from a laptop, and have gotten quite far along the way. So my next step is to install an OS, and since this is an old PC, I thought I'd run Linux, and settled for Knoppix, becasue another guy wrote a how-to on how to make a picture frame like that, and used Knoppix
06:13<Instinct>And he wants me to install this program, and I thought fine, but it asked me for the Architecture...and I have no idea what it is.
06:13<Instinct>I know what CPU I am running, but I have no idea what Architecture it is running, nor how to find it
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06:16<tweber>Instinct, your are either running an i386 or an x86_64 architecture. The first is 32 bit, the latter 64 bit. If that is an old PC, it's likely an i386
06:16<tweber>Which brings us to the simple question: what CPU are you running?
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06:17<Instinct>AMD Athlon XP-M 2400+, definately not 64 bit, this puppy is like 4-5 years old, and was cheap _then_
06:18<Instinct>So it is i386 for me then?
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06:21<tweber>Yes. Which program is this, by the way? Knoppix seems to only exist for i386
06:23<Instinct>It's apperantly called "unclutter", the link for it is
06:25<Instinct>By the way, on that page, under "Other Packages Related to unclutter", there are 3 red dots, do I need to have those installed to install "unclutter"?
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06:28<tweber>Yes, but the package manager (apt-get or whatever) will do this for you.
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06:28<Instinct>Ok, sorry if this seems stupid, but once I have knoppix installed(getting ready as we type), how do I install this? Step by step, if possible.
06:29<Instinct>I have never used Linux before, but I am a driven Windows user, so I know a thing or two about general computers, I just don't want ot muck this up.
06:29<TuxCrafter>hello guys
06:30<TuxCrafter>i want to set my timezone to Europa/Amsterdam, what is the correct way to do this in debian sid from the commandline
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06:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, timezone is "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch
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06:38<zypcu>hallo i need some helo
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06:39<Instinct>Tweber, are you able to help me?
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06:39<Instinct>I mean, if this is too much hassle, don't bother, man, I'll figure it out, I don't want to be a bother.
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06:42<tweber>Instinct, sorry, some things just have precedence (toilet)
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06:43<tweber>Problem is, I don't know how easy/difficult it is to add packages to Knoppix. So, if the software is not included in Knoppix, this might mean some work.
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06:45<Instinct>Ok, any distro you would recomend instead?
06:45*TuxCrafter solved the timezone issue of his system
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06:46<tweber>eh, Debian?
06:47<elagar>cmo estan compañeros... una consulta.. estoy en debian y necesito redimensionar / y /home... ya que me estoy quedando sin mucho espacio
06:47<tweber>But more seriously, just give Knoppix a try. It's a live CD, so shouldn't be much work. Have a look at and come back if it doesn't work
06:47<Instinct>Ehm...I thought Debian was a core?
06:47<Instinct>Like Fedora?
06:49<Instinct>Ok, I'll first give Knoppix a try to try to keep up to the walkthrough, and then if that doesn't work, give Debian a shot. Gotta go now, so I'll come back if it doesnt work out. Thanks for all the great help, tweber.
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06:50<lockoff>is pidgin stable?
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06:52<tryer>Hi im trying to move some fles from my desktop to a file in /usr but i get acces denied?
06:53<lockoff>jasne miro
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06:53<lockoff>try sudo
06:54<MoDaX>tryer: what files?
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06:54<tryer>i just want to drag and drop a file in a /usr/share but i get acces denied
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06:54<tryer>tfrom desktop
06:55<MoDaX>tryer: of course, you do. /usr is for non-core system libraries, binaries etc and is writable only by root
06:55<tryer>sweet so do i have to use a command prompt?
06:55<lockoff>how come I cant find pidgin in apt?
06:56<MoDaX>!find pidgin
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06:56<dpkg>Debian Search of 'pidgin' (5 of 17): (/usr/lib/pidgin/ in net/pidgin-otr ;; (/usr/lib/pidgin/ in net/pidgin-audacious ;; (/usr/lib/pidgin/ in net/pidgin-plugin-pack ;; (/usr/share/doc/cmus/contrib/ in sound/cmus ;; (/usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/ in net/pidgin-nateon.
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06:56<MoDaX>tryer: yes, or start a gui file manager as root
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06:57<suiside>lockoff: it's still called gaim in etch, as pidgin it's in backports though
06:58<lockoff>oh, OK
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07:02<random9893>if i needed a program (iceweasel or example) do i have to be in a certian directory or anything befor i dotar x blahb lah ./configure make ect.....??
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07:03<suiside>random9893: you can grab iceweasel for example directly from apt
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07:04<random9893>like doing .conigure from desktop then make dosnt always work do i have to in like bin or something
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07:05<suiside>random9893: but if you're giong to insists on building it yourself do yourself a favour and make proper deb-packages while you're at it, otherwise you'll end up with a system which is a pain to manage when you want to remove/upgrade software
07:05<random9893>like installing then using it from the command promt
07:05<random9893>toh really
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07:06<random9893>no i do ./configure then make "sometimes make dosnt work" then make install but were is it???
07:06<random9893>ti look in bin
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07:07<suiside>random9893: and fyi information ./command means to run the following command in the current directory, the configure script is not on your desktop or in /bin for that matter
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07:09<random9893>ok lets say i need a pogram i use wget.Then untar it then ./configure it then i make it theni make instal it.then were is the program
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07:11<suiside>random9893: in the location defined by the PREFIX variable, read ./configure --help, but really, you'll have a much easier time if you either install through apt or atleast make deb-packages
07:12<suiside>random9893: usually defaults to /usr/local/
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07:13<random9893>oh i thouhti could just do the procedure then issue the name of the program n the comman promt and use it
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07:14<suiside>you can if the program resides somewhere in your path
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07:14<random9893>like this kind o path /blah/blah/blah
07:14<random9893>tor like the windows path
07:15<suiside>random9893: $PATH, 'echo $PATH'
07:15<random9893>how do i list my paths
07:15<random9893>tyeh sweet
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07:26<MoDaX>random9893: passwd
07:26<random9893>nice thanks
07:27<random9893>will that work for the litle penguin too in knoppix 5.1.1
07:27<@weasel>random9893: don't shout.
07:27<@weasel>random9893: ever.
07:28<dpkg>i guess shouting is typing in ALL CAPS. It is considered rude and will likely not get a useful response.
07:28<random9893>Oh my bad.
07:28<suiside>random9893: are you using knoppix?
07:29<random9893>I was just woundering if it would work for tha too
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07:35<random9893>yeh it didnt work
07:37<random9893>i set pass word for root but it stilld oesnt ask me for it
07:37<random9893>tusing the passwd command
07:37<@weasel>doesn't ask you when you do what?
07:38<random9893>open the root terminal
07:38<@weasel>are you working as root?
07:38<random9893>tor when i sudo
07:38<@weasel>so you become root using sudo?
07:38<random9893>yees when i use this sudo su become root
07:38<@weasel>sudo will prompt you for your user password.
07:38<random9893>tand i set the password
07:39<@weasel>sudo will also only ask you if you haven't used it in 5 or so minutes
07:39<@weasel>use sudo -k to reset its memory
07:39<@weasel>also, man sudo.
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07:39<random9893>yes awsome thanks
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08:17<m4steR>Checking for Xgl: not present.
08:17<m4steR>I installed compiz
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08:17<m4steR>if i try to start it this is the output: Checking for Xgl: not present.
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08:18<m4steR>i'm using lenny
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08:26<amphi>m4steR: what card and driver?
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08:26<amphi>xgl is not in debian, BTW
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08:41<eeeelk>Can i get some help with knoppix 5.1.1 .quick
08:41<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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08:42<eeeelk>but is it hard to password protect the little penguin fo root acces?
08:42<eeeelk>tchmod cown??
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08:47<MoDaX>eeeelk: passwd
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08:51<knop_>Hi should I use msdos or bsd disklabel, and why? (There will be no MS related stuff on my system...)
08:53<knop_>But I think I gonna install Debian GNU/FreeBSD later...
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08:57<radek>hi everybody, nice day
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08:59<encaputxat>I need some help
08:59<Guest671>Hi, Iam solving problem witch debian logrotate... I need to rotate logs to other physical device but with logrotate it isnt possible (is it?). I found gnu rot[t]log (, which can do it, but this project isnt in official sources (I mean).
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09:01<encaputxat>I have just install last debian 4 stable PPC on my ibook, but i have a problem with passwords and root, when i go "su " an put the passwords...
09:01<encaputxat>it say that i have to change password immediately "(root enforced)"
09:01<encaputxat>its posible to repair this?
09:03<Guest671>encaputxat: try `password root`
09:04<encaputxat>in where?
09:04<Guest671>encaputxat: sry, stupid help
09:04<encaputxat>ah ok, xd
09:04<Guest671>encaputxat: didn read all your posts
09:05<encaputxat>what is root enforced?
09:07<Guest671>encaputxat: it means you MUST change root password, nothing more
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09:14<Guest671>My idea is to save actual logs to standard location /var/log (separate partition because of security) and rotate old logs to other (big) partition.
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09:15<Guest671>Exist some 'debian way' howto do it?
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09:15<@weasel>why not configure syslog-ng to log to both places?
09:16<@weasel>for instance here it logs to /var/log/syslog, and to /var/log/HOSTS/$hostname/yyyy/mm/dd/facility.severity
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09:18<Guest671>and the /var/log/HOSTS/$hostname/yyyy/mm/dd/facility.level is on other partition?
09:21<Guest671>I gues that it isnt good idea, becouse logs there can overfill all partition...
09:22<Guest671>Or something I missunderstand?
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09:23<Bushmills>Guest671: as rotate into same dir is just a rename, but to different partiton a move, i suppose the overhead introduced by moving rotated logs to other partition is neglectable
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09:23<Bushmills>i.e. by doing rotate+move in one single step, you hardly gain anything (in terms of performance, transfer time)
09:24<Bushmills>therefore i'd probably simply move the rotated logs to new partition
09:24<Bushmills>different if log.0 is compressed already
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09:25<Bushmills>(i assume delayed compression)
09:26<Tarca1>Why not just write a script to run each day or week to move logs and check free space (can send a message if free space is below a given threshold)
09:26<Bushmills>if you want log.0 compressed already. maybe turn compression off, and have the move to other parition compress them
09:27<k-man__>how can i install lightning with icedove?
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09:29<MoDaX>k-man__: plugin?
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09:30<encaputxat>Guest671: The problem is that every time that i run SU i have to change the password :S
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09:34<he2eeeee12e>were do i put my wireless drivers ?/drivers? or will they work if they are normanly intended for windows?
09:34<MoDaX>he2eeeee12e: no, they won't work
09:35<he2eeeee12e>if they are .exe
09:35<MoDaX>he2eeeee12e: you may try ndiswrapper though
09:35<he2eeeee12e>whats that do
09:35<MoDaX>he2eeeee12e: *.exe is no go on linux except with wine
09:35<he2eeeee12e>not even with a athoes card?
09:35<MoDaX>he2eeeee12e: it's a compatibility layer for windows wireless drivers
09:36<Bushmills>he2eeeee12e: .exe doesn't sound like an actual driver, rather it may be just an installer for the actual driver
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09:36<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
09:36<MoDaX>he2eeeee12e: ^^^
09:36<he2eeeee12e>well its buffalo to be exact.
09:36<Gekz>isn't that in the eeepc?
09:36<he2eeeee12e>tbut its ath0s isntit
09:37<he2eeeee12e>after a normal hd install cant i just add the wirless drivers.
09:42<n>whats /bin/false mean?
09:43<Bushmills>false && echo yes
09:43<Bushmills>try the same with true
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09:44<Bushmills>or do: false ; echo $?
09:44<Bushmills>again, repeat with true
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09:45<n>can yu password protect individual folders?
09:45<Bushmills>n, yes, sort of
09:46<n>file permissions?
09:46<Bushmills>n, you can set access privs to that folder for a group only
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09:46<Bushmills>n and require a password to change to that group
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09:47<n>what commands do that are ther any mans?
09:48<Bushmills>newgrp to change to group
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09:49<n>cant you just use kde tho?
09:49<Bushmills>gpasswd to set up group with password
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09:50<Bushmills>sure you can use kde. that's not related to group permissions
09:50<n>oh i see
09:50<n>kde user management
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09:51<Bushmills>no idea. you use kde? you should tell me :)
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09:51<n>well i want to passwrd protect soem files so i was asking
09:51<n>ti gues you cant do it threw kde user management
09:51<n>tor can you?
09:51<n>i have it yes
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09:52<Bushmills>in konqueror URL line, type in: man:gpasswd
09:53<n>yeh i got that thanks
09:53<n>ill just use thows
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09:58<mxp>do you know any german debian support channels who are not here on oftc or one freenode?
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10:00<n>I sther any way to change things so instead of acces denied,you get prompted for a pasword?
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10:04<FoxM>Hi. I connected two pc to my router. They can ping each other. Now, how can I send one file from one pc to the other?
10:04<Bushmills>you'd use newgrp to change to that group before accessing
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10:05<MoDaX>FoxM: ftp,sftp, ssh, nfs, samba, etc...
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10:07<pumpkin0>FoxM: rcp or sshfs for minimum installation and config work.
10:07<Bushmills>FoxM: scp
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10:07<ikc-em-bii>where can i check the debian kernel patches
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10:10<gsimmons>Gekz: The EeePC contains the AR5007.
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10:11<Gekz>gsimmons: thought so
10:11<Gekz>right now it requires a patched deb
10:12<FoxM>how can I change the LAN ID?
10:12<FoxM>(of one machine)
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10:14<pumpkin0>FoxM: LAN ID ? Like the IP adress or the MAC adress ?
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10:30<acu>I want to use LVM however I am a bit worried about restoration
10:31<acu>is any gui for lvm ?
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10:32<lockoff>what is this supposed to mean? : "checking for gcc... gcc
10:32<lockoff>checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
10:32<lockoff>configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
10:33<__DL__>lockoff: it mean that you have a problem with your gcc instalation
10:33<lockoff>as apt-get install gcc is not enough?
10:33<__DL__>it should be
10:34<__DL__>do you look at the log of the configure that failed ?
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10:35<LaicepS>did you tried to install base-devel ?
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10:36<lockoff>/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
10:36<lockoff>thats from the log
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10:37<__DL__>crt1.o ? do you have libc6-dev installed ?
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10:38<FoxM>Hi. I did a zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb ... where sdb is an usb stick, and now the size shown for the stick is only 239 MB (should be 3.7 GB). How can I restore (mkfs, maybe? ) the size of the usb stick?
10:38<lockoff>i should, ill check
10:38<scrypt>how can i make sure when i start IRC, that I start automatically with my desired nick?
10:39<__DL__>scrypt: it depend of the IRC client you are using
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10:40<lockoff>didnt have it, getting it
10:40<scrypt>__D__ could you explain this a little for me?
10:41<lockoff>scrypt: program you use
10:41<__DL__>There are severall different application that can be used to connect to IRC, and configuration of the nick depend of which one you are using
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10:41<scrypt>I would like to use #ubuntu #KDE debian etc
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10:42<__DL__>don't your IRC program have a help menu ?
10:42<knop_>Hi I tried to install debian lenny from knoppix with debootstrap. I got "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc". And I cant chroot into the new system "Exec format error". Whats wrong ?
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10:43<scrypt>Not really. cant say its the most clearest instructions ive ever read
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10:44<__DL__>this help menu should at least contain its name
10:46<lockoff>now im stuck on somoe Berkeley db package
10:46<knop_>(Its' another architecture than I'm runnin from knoppix)
10:47<lockoff>scrypt: name of the program youre using?
10:47<_shai_>knop_: Any change you're running a 32-bit knoppix and installed a 64 bit lenny?
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10:47<__DL__>scrypt: it seem you're using Konversation, you mighr find information there:
10:47<_shai_>You can't run 64 bit software in a 32-bit kernel.
10:47<knop_>ok sure...
10:48<knop_>hmm so I change the fstab and boot into the new system...
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10:48<knop_>or are there big problem if the script stops at the proc things ?
10:49<_shai_>To be honest, I don't know what else debootstrap does.
10:50<ikc-em-bii>where can i check the debian kernel patches
10:51<knop_>can I use the installer image ( to install amd64 stable and testing
10:51<_shai_>knop_: You can certainly use it to install stable, and then upgrading to testing is trivial.
10:51<FoxM>hi. How can I restore the size of my USB stick after a 'zcat boot.img.gz' ?
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10:52<knop_>_shai_, and where is the debootstrap script stored ? (I can look what it missed)
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10:53<kurumin>tem alguem aí ?
10:53<knop_>ah i found it under usr/share ...
10:53<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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10:57<shze>FoxM: mkfs.vfat should restore the original size, although it removes the boot image you copied; see man page
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10:59<FoxM>shze: thanks... worked like a charm :P
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11:15<k1lumin4t1>wtf, why rosegarden isn't in testing anymore???
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11:37<FoxM>Hi all
11:38<path>hi fosco
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11:39<FoxM>In the /boot/grub/menu.lst , how can I add one option to the kernel booting options? I tried editing the kernel /boot/vmlinuz.... line, but that gets restored every time the system changes something
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11:40<FoxM>it says something about debian automagic kernel list, and that I should edit only the part inside the "default options", but I change it, reboot, and the changes are not there
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11:42<k1lumin4t1>FoxM, what do you want to do exactly?
11:44<FoxM>add the irqpoll option to the list of options by default
11:45<FoxM>so lenny always start with the irqpoll option
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11:48<FoxM>k1lumin4t1: no idea?
11:48<k1lumin4t1>FoxM, adding it to the specific kernel line in menu.lst, as you said
11:50<FoxM>yes, but if, for any reason, the system upgrades (modifies) the file menu.lst, I have to edit it again, because those changes go away
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11:52<shze>FoxM: you should add it to the line "# kopt=..." and then call update-grub
11:53<FoxM>I missed the 'update-grub' part
11:53<FoxM>XD thanks
11:53<shze>FoxM: np :)
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12:34<ananth123>any multilingual users here ?
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12:39<jberryman>I was just reading about the 'ufw' iptables tool in the new ubuntu release. seems like a good thing
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12:45<MoDaX>jberryman: for simple setups
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12:51<jberryman>MoDaX: right. but the integration with the package management, and ease of viewing firewall rules especially.
12:52<MoDaX>jberryman: I have no objections as long as it can be made noop
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12:53<MoDaX>jberryman: so it would not screw up custom setups
12:55<MoDaX>but they could choose a better name if they intended for it to be adopted by other distros
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12:58<fluxer>Hi Im on a new system and fluxbox is installed. if I switch the window manager to xfwm4 the desktop is empty and i cant do anything.... what did I miss ?
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12:58<fluxer>im not going to install the whole xfce4 stuff
12:59<fxiny>did not know flux was xfce compatible
12:59<jberryman>MoDaX: maybe
12:59<Supaplex>jberryman: Knowing what ubuntu's color scheme means to me, I hope they avoid "fan" as the package name.
13:00<fluxer>switching to other window managers is no problem
13:00<MoDaX>actually, ufw = Uncomplicated Firewall as per wiki
13:00<fluxer>if I switch to it, why must it be compatible ?!
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13:01<path>!dstats etch
13:01<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size.
13:01<fxiny>fluxer: i'm checking etch bpo fluxbox 1.0 , i manually added kde to the window manager menu and it works
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13:02<Supaplex>!dstats lenny
13:02<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 21829 packages, 1893 maintainers, 55280 MB installed size, 19486 MB compressed size.
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13:03<fluxer>im not going to use fluxbox... im going to use xfwm
13:03<fluxer>xdm uses fluxbox as standard
13:04<avu>fluxer: update-alternatives --config x-windows-manager
13:04<avu>i guess
13:04<avu>no s
13:04<jberryman>fluxer: I don't know if xfwm4 is usable on it's own. not sure how you would launch apps, etc.
13:04<fluxer>ill test it thanks
13:05<fluxer>hmmm ok
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13:05<fluxer>wmmaker looks also good to me
13:05<Supaplex>openbox :)
13:05<fxiny>flux rulez :P
13:06<Supaplex>!start a wm war
13:06<dpkg>fvwm95 sucks!
13:06<Supaplex>no dpkg, A WAR. we agree on that.
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13:08<fluxer>hey openbox is what i want i think...
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13:10<fluxer>at first theres nothing and i can configure it as i need it...
13:11<Supaplex>well uhm. it works "out of the box" for me. :)
13:11<Aleric>I'm in a 32-bit chroot and want to start a gnome-terminal in the 64-bit environment. But if I type: ssh hikaru gnome-terminal, I get: "cannot open display:" (no hostname). That usually means I need to set DISPLAY.. but how? :/
13:11<fxiny>you going for open ? so why don't you change nick ? :P
13:12<Supaplex>Aleric: man ssh, see -X
13:12<Aleric>>ssh -X hikaru gnome-terminal
13:12<Aleric>cannot open display:
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13:13<Aleric>I need to set DISPLAY on the remote host before starting gnome-terminal, how?
13:13<Supaplex>Aleric: you have to have a display first. also, -v might help you see that xauth isn't installed someplace
13:13*rrm is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on)
13:13<Supaplex>ssh takes care of DISPLAY meddeling if you use it right
13:13<Aleric>Which is how?
13:14<Supaplex>echo $DISPLAY first, if that's not there, ssh won't be able to forward it
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13:14<Supaplex>did you have a $DISPLAY before starting that chroot?
13:14<Aleric>Ok, DISPLAY=":0.0" ssh -X hikaru gnome-terminal works
13:15<chealer>!tell rrm about away
13:15<Supaplex>there you go :)
13:15<Supaplex>chealer: I think I told him that last night
13:16<Aleric>Next.. I need to get back into the chroot, cd to the current directory that I started in and start gdb...
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13:16<Supaplex>vserver > chroot (just my two bits)
13:17<chealer>Supaplex: well, I can't see it in my logs
13:17<fxiny>vserver is addictive like crack
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13:19<Supaplex>fxiny: in the right hands, rsync --link-dest= + cp -al are almost as addictive :)
13:21<fxiny>first thing i've done was : running my standard irssi jailed , connecting it to bitlbee buzzing on a vserver . i still don' know why , but for sure i blame you Supaplex for this !
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13:22<Supaplex>I accept your flattery
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13:22<fxiny>flattery a sitting duck !
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13:23<fxiny>Supaplex: i even joined #veserver a couple of times :P
13:23<fxiny>so addictive
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13:24<fxiny>rsync --link-dest ? hmmm
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13:25<Supaplex>there might be one based on the vmsplice exploit, but that's fixed/fixable now
13:26<fxiny>yes ?
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13:26<Supaplex>the latest stock debian kernels are immune to the issue (fixed)
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13:27<fxiny>Supaplex: there is something old or wierd in bpo vservers
13:27<Aleric>Grrmbl, what am I doing wrong?
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13:27<Aleric>>DISPLAY=":0.0" ssh -X hikaru gnome-terminal --geometry=165x24+0+0 -e 'sh -c "uname && sleep 2"'
13:28<Aleric>Unknown option -c
13:28<fxiny>lemme get my notes
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13:30<fxiny>Supaplex: "The kernel does not have dynamic contexts enabled. Please configure" , i'm using official vserver kernels only
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13:30<fxiny>but i use bpo utils
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13:32<Supaplex>I'm still using the stack-o-patches provided with .18 (no thanks to xen). I didn't look very hard to see how the newer kernels support xen. I don't have any existing production use for it, unless I can get an opensolaris guest to play nice too (mixed luck so far)
13:33<FoxM>Hi... does anyone know how can I find what `workgroup' my machine is connected at? (not samba)
13:33<fxiny>any vwmare pre-coocked opensolaris around ?
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13:33<Aleric>Hmm, I finally got the quotes right: DISPLAY=":0.0" ssh -X hikaru "gnome-terminal --geometry=165x24+0+0 -e '/bin/sh -c \"ls && sleep 2\"'"
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13:34<Supaplex>fxiny: dunno. I don't like vmware. it's too bloaty
13:34<fxiny>agree : that's why i asked , not going there since ages
13:36<Supaplex>I don't know why vmware thought java was a good match for their backend. that with tomcat+apache2 and a riddle of other crap... all for hypervisor xen like features - my gawsh I wanna rm it fast.
13:36<Supaplex>aka vmware-server 2 beta
13:37<Supaplex>FoxM: I don't see how a workgroup would apply w/o samba. what's this for?
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13:39<FoxM>I am new to networking configuration and that stuff... I am trying to transfer files from this desktop PC to my laptop PC. They are connected to the same router and can ping each other... but if I do 'Local Network' in KDE, only 'localhost' is shown
13:39<ananth123>anyone knows when the 'gold' linker will appear as package in debian ?
13:39<FoxM>both PCs are using debian (etch for the desktop, lenny for the laptop)
13:40<ananth123>FoxM: nfs ?
13:40<Supaplex>ahh. I'm not sure what kde considers it's local network, or how things would show up there.
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13:40<shze>FoxM: scp, or with kde konqueror with sftp://
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13:42<FoxM>kde konqueror... "lan:// " says there
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13:43<shze>FoxM: not sure about lan:// but as long as you have ssh installed you can use sftp://<username>@<ip-address>
13:44<fxiny>is kde fish dead ?
13:44<FoxM>shze: let me see... let's install ssh in both PCs
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13:47<FoxM>It worked!!!!
13:47<Supaplex>np :)
13:48<fxiny>real men use nc :P
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13:48<dpkg>well, nc is (Network Computer) This is a concept that came from the old days of dumb terminals. They are supposed to reduce the cost of standardized computers in the office environment. or the name of the netcat binary. North Carolina, or where the tobacco grows greener
13:48<fxiny>just a joke
13:49<FoxM>i don't smoke, thanks :P
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13:52*Supaplex ^5's fxiny
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13:55<fxiny>well done Supa
13:55<fxiny>s/done/Pond :P
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14:18<kornne>Does anyone here can help me with Fluxbox ? =s
14:18<Supaplex>!tell kornne -about ask
14:18<ananth123>what do you want to know?
14:19<kornne>Hmmm, I know how to set an Eterm in the startup, but i'd like this term to be displayed on my 4 desktops .. And if possible, i'd like those terms "not linked"
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14:19<kornne>(Sorry for my bad expression, I'm french and my english level is not so high)
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14:21<amphi>kornne: what do you mean, 'not linked'? it sounds like you want four terms
14:21<kornne>Yes, I want 4 terms
14:21<kornne>Each one on another desktop
14:21<Supaplex>sounds like he wants one on every virtual desktop
14:21<kornne>Yes, you got it
14:21<Supaplex>but not all the same instance
14:22<kornne>I'd like to set the startup in the way to get this when I startx
14:23<Supaplex>I know you could just start 4 terms, but I don't know how to control them to appear in specific desktops
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14:24<gravity>Can flux be scripted to move to different terms?
14:24<gravity>s/terms/virtual desktops/
14:24<gravity>If so, you can script your .xsession to switch desktop, pop up a term, etc
14:25<kornne>Yep, but how to ask to flux to pop the term in this or this desktop ?
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14:26<gravity>If flux can be scripted to switch to that desktop before you open the term, then you've won
14:26<amphi>kornne: you might be able to use wmctrl
14:26<gravity>ion can probably be scripted to do this with lua
14:26<gravity>kornne: Actually, just try running devilspie
14:26<gravity>I don't know if it'll work for flux, but it works for such things in metacity
14:27<kornne>I'm trying
14:27<gravity>You'll have to do some funky scripting with devilspie to make it work, but it can probably be done
14:28<kornne>Hu, okay
14:28<kornne>I'm new to linux and everything, i'm reading the wmctrl man ^^'
14:29<amphi>wmctrl looks like it may be able to do this quite easily, if fluxbox conforms
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14:30<kornne>I have to do all the scripting in the flux startup, right ?
14:34<jberryman>kornne: google devilspie. It is a utility to manage windows automatically
14:35<kornne>Okay, thanks
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14:44<Jmd>I've got a quick question relating to Debian Lenny and GNOME. Ever since I upgraded some packages a few days ago, my GNOME splash screen hangs up when I login. I can close it by clicking on it, but I was wondering how I could prevent it from staying open like that, or at least figure out what's wrong.
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14:45<mjk>Does anyone happen to know which package I need to run a GNOME applet? (I'm using plain fvwm2 and just want to run a single applet)
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14:46<mjk>(I'm trying to get cdemu to run (from
14:47<Jmd>mjk: I'm not expert, but I believe GNOME applications generally use the GTK graphics lib, and you'd have to have that installed to run them.
14:48<mjk>Jmd: Yeah, thought so (and I think I have that lib installed). But there must be some command like "gnomepanel" that integrates that applet. I'm not a desktop environment expert myself, alas. ;_}
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14:48<ja>I'm having difficulty installing debian, the install disk doesn't get past Ready. I've tried "install acpi=off nopcmcia nolapic noscsi DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 BOOT_DEBUG=2|3 fb=false debian-installer/probe/usb=false hwdetect/start_pcmcia=false generic.all_generic_ide=1" . I've tried the install media on another pc and it's fine, and gentoo rh9 and centos5 install cd's work
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14:49<ja>Any help would be really appreciated. It's an old i440bx intel pii chipset
14:50<nomadium>what kind of difficulty?
14:50<ja>it just gets to Ready and hangs.
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14:51<Supaplex>ja: what's the symptoms?
14:51<Supaplex>oh humm...
14:51<Supaplex>what's before that?
14:51<nomadium>ja: you can try with this:
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14:52<Supaplex>nomadium beats me to it. :P
14:53<mjk>Jmd: Found out that I could start the applet with "python gcdemu -w" (-w = start in standalone window for testing purposes). Hooray! :-)
14:53<ja>so you recommend getting one of these iso's and installing it.
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14:53<Jmd>mjk: Awesome, so that app is a python app?
14:54<ja>the symptoms are it gets to press f1 for help or enter to boot, i input the above command and it gives three lines
14:54<Jmd>mjk: If it's a python application, you'll need to install the GTK python bindings package as well.
14:54<Jmd>That could be your problem.
14:55<ja>loading vmlinuz, loading initrd, ready and then hangs
14:55<Jmd>ja: What medium are you using to install? A CD?
14:56<mjk>Jmd: Thanks for the hint, but it already works -- except that it can't connect to the (running) cdemu-daemon via d-bus due to "Unknown Method GetDaemonVersion". I need to "only" investigate that a little further. :-)
14:56<Jmd>mjk: Ahh, well I'm glad you got it up and running. =)
14:56<ja>using a cd
14:56<mjk>Jmd: Thanks =)
14:56<nomadium>ja: try to install with the kmuto images
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14:56<Jmd>ja: Maybe your old system has trouble mounting/reading from your CD drive?
14:57<nomadium>ja: or install from usb, or another media
14:57<Jmd>I was just about to recommend just that. ^
14:57<Jmd>I've had that problem before with old machines and CD installations.
14:57<nomadium>ja: i had the same problem some time ago with a new intel motherboard
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14:58<ja>I've installed other oses recently, and other linux disks boot the system
14:58<nomadium>ja: but the kmuto images solved the problem
14:58<ja>this is a really old Pentium II machine.
14:58<ja>I'm trying to use d-i 20070308etch2
14:59*mjk wonders why "cdemu" ( is not in Debian and nobody wrote a RFP (or what's it called). Although I couldn't get it to run completely yet, it's description reads like what everyone wanting to play his old (copy-protected) CD-based DOS/Windows games wants an needs. There are (unofficial) Ubuntu packages, though.
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14:59<nomadium>ja: yes that is suspicious, an old machine generally is supported
14:59<ja>I've rang memcheck for 3 hours with no problems
14:59<ja>ran, sorry
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15:00<nomadium>ja: knoppix is based on debian, so also you can try knoppix to see if everything is working
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15:01<weeman13221>troxor: thanks bro its worked, cant thank you enough, cause i need this machine for a school proj and if it now work right demonstration i fails so thanks bro
15:01<ja>knoppix crashes but not till much later, as does my ubuntu disk. rh9, centos5 and gentoo disks are fine
15:01<nomadium>ja: crazy stuff uh?
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15:02<ja>indeed. no ideas and disappointing as I really want to run a debian system, to see what it's like
15:02<nomadium>ja: (just kidding) you can install rh9, and then debootstrap to debian hehehe
15:02<fxiny>old pII 400 Deschutes never failed here . i always do hd install
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15:03<fxiny>i don't bother to check is the old cd drive still works
15:03<ja>is just researching hd install
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15:04<fxiny>ja: is the cd (plastic) overheating ?
15:05<fxiny>i rememebr a red hat install doing it
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15:05<ja>no, it's cool, just taken it out
15:06<ja>any advice beyond the manual on a hd install?
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15:08<nomadium>ja: ugly but... floppies?
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15:09<ja>could do, but I've to go and find an fdd
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15:09<krenski>hi all
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15:11<witte> ja: you could ask at #debian-boot, ther they should know more about it
15:12<witte>ja, the old pII motherbords should be supported
15:14<ja>thank you for the #boot suggestion
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15:45<KENKO_DETH>tm brazuca ai???
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16:04<christian>hello ! please i need your help for azureus, is it possible ?
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16:06<FoxM>use ktorent :P
16:08<dpkg>To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free>, or java permissions incredibly insecure by default, it will take a picture of your desktop and a log of your activity and put it up as a new torrent for legal action.
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16:08<christian>Very thank you FoxM
16:08<FoxM>haha... I was just kidding
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16:11<christian>But I know this actions, and the problem is that it must new version
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16:15<Ouroboros>whats the simplest way to send a mail message to localhost? something like what syslog uses
16:15<Killing_Frost>Who do you want to mail on localhost?
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16:15<franklin>Ouroboros, Do you want to send an email to root, or add an entry to syslog ?
16:15<Killing_Frost>'mail root' will work.
16:16<Ouroboros>lets say i have some script that checks something periodically and if the check succeeds it sends a message
16:16<Killing_Frost>'man mail' You can have it include subject lines, text files from reports, etc.
16:17<franklin>Ouroboros, simply run it in cron. If the cron job prints anything, it sill be mailed to root.
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16:17<FoxM>the right tool for the right job
16:17<franklin>Ouroboros, oups.. " _will_ be mailed...'
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16:17<Ouroboros>right, that makes sense
16:18<Ouroboros>but with the "mail" method, i could mail an arbitrary address?
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16:18<franklin>Ouroboros, Yes.
16:18<Ouroboros>ok, let me try that one
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16:19<Killing_Frost>The mail command (mailx) can do most everything from command line parameters, making it perfect for scripting.
16:19<franklin>Killing_Frost, yep.
16:19<Ouroboros>what about things like sendmail/exim, where do they come in here?
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16:21<franklin>Ouroboros, Those are tools that will take care of transporting (MTA) and Delivering the mails.
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16:21<Killing_Frost>Sendmail/exim are mail transfer agents (MTA) and hand off the mail to whomever. Mail user agents (MUA) are the programs you interface with, like pine, mutt, Thunderbird, etc.
16:22<Ouroboros>so in order for "mail" to work, i actually have to have an MTA configured as well?
16:22<FoxM>do you need a running mail server installed on the machine to unse mailx? or can it be configured to work like, for example.... kmail (connected to a pop3 server)
16:22<Killing_Frost>exim is the post office.
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16:26<Killing_Frost>Depends on the MUA you use. Some support direct delivery and will interface with your ISP's mailserver. Some won't. Having an MTA like exim is good, because it allows local deliveries to users on localhost.
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16:27<Killing_Frost>The mail command will prolly not work without an MTA like exim.
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16:28<Ouroboros>i suppose i could just run the script on the destination machine and use "mail" there, but it is not as elegant
16:29<Ouroboros>isnt exim included in the default install?
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16:31<Killing_Frost>By default, exim will come pre-configured for local deliveries. You may need to let exim know about your ISP's mailserver. Getting mail from your ISP's mailserver requires another program like getmail or fetchmail.
16:31<Ouroboros>i dont appear to have it installed at all...
16:31<Killing_Frost>Not sure if exim can do POP3, or IMAP.
16:31<Ouroboros>thats ok, i only need send
16:32<Killing_Frost>Just let exim or sendmail know about your ISP's mailserver then.
16:32<Ouroboros>it cannot connect directly to the recipient mailserver?
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16:34<Killing_Frost>Probably only if you have a static IP address that can be referenced by the server you're connecting with, otherwise the mail will bounce. That's where masquerading as your ISP's mailserver comes in.
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16:35<Ouroboros>well, both machines are in the same domain, so i think the first case may apply
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16:36<Killing_Frost>Do you have a static (permanent IP number) or a dynamic IP address?
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16:37<Ouroboros>static IP as well as domain name
16:38<Killing_Frost>Then your MTA should already work with the default config.
16:38<Ouroboros>no, it gave me this: "Mailing to remote domains not supported"
16:39<Ouroboros>ah, i guess i didnt use quite the same domain name
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16:41<Killing_Frost>If you have another If you have more than one machine, you'll need the router to send the mail packets to the correct machine.
16:41<jberryman>does have lower level key bindings, or is all of that taken care of in my WM?
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16:42<asdfghgfdsa>hey guys, im using debian testing, and cant get gnome-volume-manager to behave normally as a user
16:43<asdfghgfdsa>in nautilus i cant get the volumes to mount or get mounted manually, says im not privileged
16:43<gravity>jberryman: X only has a few keybindings, but they're specific to the server. The rest is handled by external apps like your wm
16:43<amphi>asdfghgfdsa: removable devices?
16:43<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: these are all public IPs on a campus network, but they are not necessarily on the same subnet or exactly the same domain
16:43<asdfghgfdsa>amphi, no, local partitions, other installed distros, ntfs partitions too
16:43<asdfghgfdsa>ill check removable now ..
16:44<amphi>asdfghgfdsa: unless they are user mountable in fstab, you need to be root
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16:45<Killing_Frost>Then you'll probably have to let exim know about your server's mailserver and masquerade it.
16:45<Ouroboros>well, i am actually trying to deliver mail to that one mailserver
16:46<Ouroboros>i am not sure why exim thinks this is a remote domain... i am sending from user@w.x.y.z to user@x.y.z
16:47<jberryman>gravity: can you tell me where the X keybindings are found. alt-f4 seems to be configured to close windows, which i would like to disable. but it doesn't appear to be set in xfce ( I also checked the gnome keybindings just in case)
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16:47<Killing_Frost>How do you normally get mail?
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16:49<Ouroboros>using pine from the machine that i am trying to send to
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16:50<Killing_Frost>If you're logging onto the remote/ISP's machine to get mail, then you have to masquerade it.
16:50<gravity>jberryman: That one's part of the gtk I think
16:50<Killing_Frost>Then you need to use getmail or fetchmail to transfer the ISP's machine to get the mail and store it on your machine.
16:50<gravity>jberryman: Each client will have its own keybindings
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16:50<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: i dont need that part since i am going to continue reading it on that machine
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16:51<Killing_Frost>Okay. Then you still need to masquerade as your ISP's mailserver to send mail out of your own system.
16:51<gravity>jberryman: The ctrl-f4 might be part of your wm though, I don't really know
16:52<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: when i use pine to send mail on the remote machine, it logs into the server that i specified by SMTP, correct? so how can i set up mail/exim to do the same thing on the other machine?
16:53<Killing_Frost>Unless you can get your ISP to give you a unique name like ''
16:53<Ouroboros>i have that
16:53<Killing_Frost>Then that should be the name of your mailserver.
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16:54<Ouroboros>i mean, these two machines are exactly in the same relation to the mail server, so i should be able to send mail the same way from both
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16:55<Killing_Frost>No, you should have one machine masquerading as your primary mailserver machine. One computer will handle mail, and the other machine(s) must reference that machine by masquerading it.
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16:56<Killing_Frost> machin will handle mail, the other systems will grab mail from it.
16:56<Ouroboros>there are 3 machines total, you understand
16:56<Killing_Frost>What do the other machines do?
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16:58<Ouroboros>machine A is my ISP mail server (i have no account), machine B is my mail client (i have non-root account), machine C is my new machine (i have root)
16:58<Ouroboros>so the objective is to get C to deliver mail to A so that I can read it on B
16:59<Killing_Frost>You can only have one mailserver for that domain name. Pick the computer you want to handle mail, and make your router point to that one machine. All other computers will use their mailservers masquerade as the master machine.
16:59<Ouroboros>and all 3 machines have static IPs and domain names on essentially the same network
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17:04<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: isnt there a simpler way? for example, i can telnet from C to A:SMTP and send a message manually...
17:04<Killing_Frost>I really think you should join your MTA's mailing list. Then you can explain your system as it's connected to your ISP, what unique domain names you own, etc. If you're using exim, I can't really help you, as I use sandmail/fetchmail/procmail and mutt.
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17:07<Ouroboros>i am not really interested in having C act as a full MTA, i just want to be able to send messages directly to A for local delivery... if there is no other way, i can easily netcat the messages directly to A
17:07<Killing_Frost>The computers on your subnet must masquerade as your master mailserver. All other computers will use your mailserver to send out the mail.
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17:08<Ouroboros>i dont really understand the rationale for this
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17:08<ranix>Ouroboros, Killing_Frost: the last few things you have said sound wrong. Ouroboros, can you repeat your original question
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17:09<Ouroboros>basically i am looking for the simplest way to send a mail message from a script to a mail server on the same network
17:09<Ouroboros>[13:58:01] <Ouroboros> machine A is my ISP mail server (i have no account), machine B is my mail client (i have non-root account), machine C is my new machine (i have root)
17:09<Ouroboros>[13:58:22] <Ouroboros> so the objective is to get C to deliver mail to A so that I can read it on B
17:09<Ouroboros>this is the exact description ^
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17:10<Ouroboros>s/deliver mail/send a message/
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17:10<cwood>Usually the script would just pass the mail message to the local mail server for delivery, right? There are already daemons which do mail delivery, why reinvent the wheel?
17:10<ranix>Ouroboros: echo "harbl" | sendmail
17:10<Killing_Frost>Ouroboros says he has a unique ip address (, and three machines on that domainname trying to send mail to each other, I believe.
17:11<ranix>Ouroboros: and configure your receiving smtp host to accept mail from 192.168.1.*
17:11<cwood>You could also look into msmtp, which can read mail from stdin and send it along to an smtp server.
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17:12<ranix>sendmail or msmtp should both be acceptable here
17:12<ranix>this is not rocket science, you can literally fumble with it until you get it working, there aren't really that many things to try
17:13<cwood>Either way, if you need internal mail routing it may be worth the time investment to set that up. Then you can easily route other things later.
17:13<Ouroboros>i mean, i already have one way which definitely works (telnet)
17:13<ranix>you're just ehlo, message, etc?
17:13<ranix>that's kind of nifty
17:13<ranix>sendmail is more readable, but hey
17:14<ranix>telnet isn't wrong
17:14<Ouroboros>i havent tried this from a script yet, but i am sure it would work (in the worst case, i would have to use expect)
17:14<cwood>It's odd that you'd use telnet or expect or something for an activity that's so commonplace as mail routing, in my view.
17:15<Ouroboros>ranix: what is the reason why "mail" + "exim" does not work?
17:15<Ouroboros>cwood: i agree, i am not going to use this, i just tried it for fun
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17:15<cwood>aha, that's a good reason :p
17:15<ranix>Ouroboros: exim should work. If you have exim, /usr/sendmail actually points to exim4
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17:15<ranix>/usr/bin/sendmail rather
17:15<Ouroboros>dont have that symlink
17:16<Ouroboros>that one either :)
17:16<ranix>is it in sbin?
17:16<cwood>I have postfix, in that package it's in /usr/sbin.
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17:16<ranix>sid, Ouroboros ?
17:16<Ouroboros>ranix: no etch
17:16<ranix>I have never had exim without a /usr/sbin/sendmail
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17:17<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: none of these hosts are there
17:17<Ouroboros>Killing_Frost: is that why?
17:17<ranix>Ouroboros: exim4-daemon-light or exim4-daemon-heavy
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17:17<Killing_Frost>Might be. The master machine should have the addys of the other machines,. ditto for the others.
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17:18<Ouroboros>ranix: wait, nevermind, i do have that link
17:18<ranix>ah oh
17:18<dondelelcaro>/usr/lib/sendmail is the required binary
17:18<ranix>thanks dondelelcaro
17:18<Ouroboros>i was trying /usr/bin i think
17:18<ranix>dondelelcaro: did you know apt has a tell be about bug?
17:18<ranix>dondelelcaro: sorry, dpkg
17:18<ranix>the bot
17:18<dondelelcaro>ranix: which bug do you want to know about?
17:19<ranix>dondelelcaro: tell me about tell me about tell me about
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17:19<dondelelcaro>ranix: what about it?
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17:19<ranix>dondelelcaro: if you /msg dpkg with tell me about tell me about tell me about tell me about ad infinitum, he gets kicked for flooding when he recursively replies he does not know what that is repeatedly
17:20<ranix>dondelelcaro: then, if someone changes their name to dpkg before he comes back, things get really weird
17:20<ranix>dondelelcaro: I can show you if you like
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17:22<dondelelcaro>I see it in the logs
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17:25<Ouroboros>ranix: right, ok, so i am getting the same error with the echo | sendmail method: "Mailing to remote domains not supported"
17:25<ranix>Ouroboros: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light
17:26<ranix>Ouroboros: you probably only have exim confgured for local mail
17:26<Ouroboros>what does it consider to be local/remote?
17:26<Ouroboros>the exact domain name has to match?
17:26<ranix>local is intra-machine, like syslog
17:26<ranix>remote is another machine
17:26<Ouroboros>ok, that is probably the problem then
17:26<ranix>local would be ranix@localhost sending mail to Ouroboros@localhost
17:26<Ouroboros>is this setting also somewhere in /etc/exim ?
17:27<ranix>Ouroboros: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf or exim4.conf.template maybe, but I only use exim4-daemon-heavy so it might be different. I suggest using dpkg-reconfigure
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17:28<Ouroboros>"dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" is the proper command btw
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17:28<ranix>ah thanks
17:28<ranix>been awhile
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17:29<Ouroboros>not sure i like this though, it is sort of a security hole
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17:30*cwood plugs msmtp.
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17:30<Ouroboros>yeah i am going to try that one now
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17:31<ranix>I use sendmail only because all accounts on the fileserver except root are --shell /bin/false
17:32<Ouroboros>well i just need to make sure i dont become on open relay
17:32<ranix>although it would also be perfectly secure if only root has access to the sendmail and exim commands
17:32<Ouroboros>but with my weak understanding of how mail works...
17:33<cwood>There's a separate setting for what networks you will deliver mail for.
17:33<cwood>So you can set it to send mail out, while setting it to only accept mail for delivery from localhost.
17:33<Ouroboros>right, but i think i like the msmtp way better
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17:35<cwood>You can always, if it's that vital, add firewall rules so that mail out can only go to your external smtp provider.
17:35<witte>hi, i get constantly "hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }" errors, with hdb my cdrom player
17:35<witte>there is nothing in the drive, how come that there are still errors (the errors appear in dmesg btw
17:36<Ouroboros>cwood: yeah true
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17:36<cwood>witte: sounds like a hardware error of some form. Can it still read cds?
17:36<ananth>witte: there might be scratches on the cd
17:36<witte>ananth: there is no cd
17:37<witte>cwood: will try, last time it did
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17:37<cwood>For my part, though, I'd rather have correctly functioning mail routing through my organization, then I have a better substrate for internal communication. Network access to the outside should be controlled by a firewall, not individual per-system fixes. Likewise, mail should be available functionality, not something done per-system.
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17:38<cwood>If those errors appeared on my hard drive I'd worry that it was about to fail... not sure what it means for a cdrom.
17:38<witte>cwood: likewise, i have no idea what they are
17:39<Ouroboros>cwood: excellent, msmtp works
17:39<Killing_Frost>Is there a log watch program to watch the logs for errors and mail them to root?
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17:40<Ouroboros>cwood: question regarding relaying... why does the SMTP server deny it in this case, but not when i connect to the same server with pine from another machine? is that ohter machine somehow authenticated to send mail to other domains?
17:40<cwood>witte: Maybe shut the machine down and tighten the cables?
17:40<witte>cwood: the drive works
17:40<witte>cwood: and no more errors?
17:40<cwood>Ouroboros: Relaying is when a machine receives mail and passes it on to another machine. iirc machines can always do local delivery for connections from anywhere.
17:41<cwood>witte: no idea, sorry. but for something that looks like a hardware error, I'd start by checking hardware.
17:41<Ouroboros>cwood: right i understand that, but i am wondering why this SMTP server allows relaying when used from a "normal" client
17:41<witte>cwood: strange, i will open it up if this happens again?
17:42<witte>cwood: probably you are right, it is not urgent, don't need the cdrom player today :-)
17:42<cwood>Ouroboros: I'd check config -- can you email to an outside server through this with Pine and not telnet?
17:42<cwood>(because that sounds odd.)
17:42<Ouroboros>cwood: no, i can from another machine
17:43<Ouroboros>forget my scenario, in general when you have an ISP with a an SMTP server, how does it know to allow the client machines to send to external addresses... based on IP?
17:43<cwood>Ouroboros: I don't quite understand what's happening. Your machine is accepting mail from outside from the local subnet but not from localhost? Sounds like it's configured that way, then.
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17:44<cwood>The ISP allows the ISP's own network of ip addresses to send it mail on port 25 which it will send elsewhere.
17:44<cwood>The isp's mail server allows etc. etc.
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17:44<Ouroboros>right ok
17:44<cwood>That's configured in the smtp daemon's own config.
17:44<Ouroboros>i am just wondering why its denying relaying for me (although i dont actually need it)
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17:45<cwood>Likely the machine it's getting denied from isn't listed as something it will accept mail to relay.
17:45<Ouroboros>nah, its all good
17:46<Ouroboros>ok well this all makes a lot more sense now--thans everyone
17:47<cwood>Quite welcome. Try reading mail relaying documents on the Exim site, very educational.
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17:58<fenix>algum BR aqui?
17:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:00<jberryman>is there a way to analyze why certain packages are being held back in an upgrade? For example, if i found that a certain package that I never use were causing dependency difficulties, I might remove it.
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18:03<Ouroboros>deborphan might be helpful, though it does not do what you want
18:06<jberryman>yes I've been using that a bit. I suppose I might just clear out the things i know i will never use by hand.
18:07<Ouroboros>my experience with deborphan was that it doesnt find all the orphans... maybe i did something wrong
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18:10<chealer>jberryman: try upgrading them
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18:16<cwood>I use apt-get update; apt-get -dy --force-yes --download-only dist-upgrade; this helps me see what's being upgraded before I do the final one.
18:17<chealer>jberryma1: try upgrading them
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18:22<Ouroboros>cwood: why not just -s ?
18:22<cwood>Because I want the packages.
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18:23<Ouroboros>you are going to do it again anyway...
18:24<cwood>The thing is that the line there can be used to grab the packages from a script or crontab, without interaction. Then I can read the output later, when I'm awake.
18:24<dpkg>apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>).
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18:24<Ouroboros>cwood: also arent those options redundant?
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18:25<Ouroboros>just -d i guess
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18:25<cwood>Yeah. :D
18:25<Ouroboros>fair enough
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18:31<xchlnx>hi. my uname returns the wrong kernel version, i think i must reconfigure something, but what ?
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18:32<witte>xchlnx: why do you think it lists the wrong version?
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18:32<xchlnx>because i've got installed 2.6.24 and it lists 2.6.18
18:33<@weasel>then you did not boot 2.6.24.
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18:33<Ouroboros>the uname information is derived from the running kernel, so it cannot be wrong
18:34<xchlnx>but grubs have entrys to boot 2.6.24
18:34<@weasel>and did you boot it?
18:34<xchlnx>no it got kernel panics. Im logged in with a rescue console...
18:34<xchlnx>that whould it be sorry
18:35<xchlnx>I got unable to mount root fs on unknown block 0,0
18:36<xchlnx>I reinstalled the linux image but this solves nothing.
18:36<witte>xchlnx: that is an error that your grub info is wrong
18:36<xchlnx>I reinstalled this also. because I thought also it was grub
18:36<witte>xchlnx: could be that the device names changed between 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 from /dev/hda to /dev/sda
18:36<xchlnx>all entries looks good
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18:37<xchlnx>I can't do a modconf because I get lib/modules/2.6.18-6... No such file or directory...
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19:03<xchlnx>If I try to reinstall linux-image-... It updates grub and then I got grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory I'm logged in a rescue shell
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19:04<xchlnx>I think this causes my kernel panic at startup
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19:04<ranix>xchlnx: check /boot/grub/menu.lst to ensure correct kernel parameters are getting passed (hard disks are correct, etc.)
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19:05<ranix>xchlnx: I'll be logging a bug soon about the behaviour of linux-image-* upgrades overwriting /boot/grub/menu.lst without prompting
19:05<ranix>monday probably when I am less lazy
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19:07<MoDaX>ranix: /etc/kernel-img.conf
19:08<MoDaX>ranix: disable hooks if you don't want grub to be autoupdated
19:08<ranix>MoDaX: default behaviour should not be overwrite without prompting
19:08<ranix>MoDaX: thanks for the tip though
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19:09<MoDaX>ranix: why? overwriting is done to update kernel list automatically
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19:09<MoDaX>ranix: such configuration is fine for 90% of users
19:09<ranix>MoDaX: it does not append the new kernel to your list, it wipes out the entire list and rewrites for each possible kernel, losing the correct kernel options that the user specified
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19:09<ranix>MoDaX: the behaviour for any upgrade should not be a destructive overwrite of a user-editable conf file
19:10<x03>when other irc talk ?
19:10<dondelelcaro>ranix: the parts of the user-editable file which are overwritten are clearly delinated
19:10<MoDaX>ranix: add your kernel below ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST or above ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
19:11<MoDaX>ranix: it's designed that way
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19:14<ranix>I honestly did not notice that
19:16<ranix>ignore me while I make an ass of myself
19:20<jberryman>ranix: I remember that being a problem for me when I was playing with realtime kernels a year or so ago, and i never knew either, so thanks for making an ass of yourself.
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19:25<jberryman>ugh.. why do i have all these odd orphan packages in Local/Main ? At least that's where they are categorized in the synaptoc gui.
19:26<jberryman>no idea where they came from
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19:28<jberryman>if I had installed some from another repository (like deb-multimedia) and then removed it's entry from the sources list, could that be where they came from?
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19:37<franklin>jberryman, Yes it does.
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19:41<bebin>How to open UDP port for Ktorrent and make it work
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19:42<jberryman>bebin, are you behind a router?
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19:46<onesettler>english here ?
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19:46<witte>onesettler: yes
19:48<octoserver>why when i try to uninstall nvidia-glx does apt try to uninstall all of my kde development stuff along with 10 other things ?
19:49<octoserver>it shouldnt be doing that
19:49<bebin>jberryman: dont know how to find it
19:49<jberryman>franklin, it looks like a few of them are from debian-multimedia, but the rest are a mystery. how would I discover which repository they are from?
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19:50<octoserver>how can i remove something and not let it remove a bunch of crap it thinks it should remove but shouldnt ?
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19:52<jberryman>bebin: if you are plugged into a router, you will need to forward the correct UDP port to your machine
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20:04<onesettler>nobody ?
20:05<janrocks>probably not.. I don't know anything about it
20:06<qq>only 321, here
20:07<witte>onesettler: maybe contact to notify them of the problem
20:08<onesettler>ok, i ll do this thanks
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20:11<octoserver>does anyone here use a wireless keyboard, and still have to put up with the kernel error "unknown key press" from the wireless signal ?
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20:45<_42>[02:35] jedai > q
20:46<_42>[02:42] _42 > r
20:46<_42>flood addict :p
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21:01<Hailsematary>I would like to ask a question about package signing
21:01<Hailsematary>anyone interested?
21:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:02<Hailsematary>ops sorry
21:03<Aleric>What application do I need to start to add another workspace to my gnome desktop?
21:03<Hailsematary>I want to investigate the package signing mechanism
21:03<Hailsematary>I looked at apt 0.6 version
21:03<Hailsematary>and saw
21:04<Hailsematary>that link
21:04<Mr_Giraffe>Aleric, i believe it's in gconf-editor
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21:04<Hailsematary>however I want info about normal package signing mechanism
21:04<Hailsematary>not that specialised one which came with apt 0.6
21:05<Hailsematary>I could'nt find relevant info on internet, or I couldn't ask google with the right keywords
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21:06<witte>Hailsematary: apt-secure is now the normal package signing thing
21:07<Hailsematary>does aptitude use apt-secure to handle these occasions?
21:07<leftylink>need some help: I haven't been able to update packages for a while because it keeps saying error in committing changes
21:07<leftylink>and now it says another process is using the package db and I can't do anything
21:07<leftylink>so this has gone on for a while and I've 642 packages to update and I can't touch 'em
21:07<witte>Hailsematary: i think so (see "dpkg -l apt")
21:08<witte>leftylink: can you paste the error in a pastegin
21:08<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:09<Hailsematary>witte: thanks, I'm going to study on apt-secure more ;)
21:10<Hailsematary>I'm interested in package signing mechanism in debian, in order to learn how that mechanism works
21:10<Aleric>Mr_Giraffe: It is, but it is deprecated, and not set on my box.
21:10<leftylink>witte: ugh, when I try to copy the text and then paste it, the only thing that comes out is 20
21:10<leftylink>but I'm using adept
21:10<Mr_Giraffe>Aleric, i don't think it requiers a separate program though
21:10<leftylink>and it says Read-only Mode: Database locked
21:11<Mr_Giraffe>unless you just meant the command as opposed to a new program to download
21:11<Mr_Giraffe>also, requires*
21:11<witte>leftylink: can you use the commandline (apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade)
21:11<Aleric>Mr_Giraffe: I can't find how/where to add one :/
21:11<Mr_Giraffe>oh god
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21:11<Aleric>I just have no idea how
21:11<Mr_Giraffe>you're going to hate me for this
21:11<Mr_Giraffe>Aleric, right click on the workspace applet thing
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21:11<Mr_Giraffe>and click preferences :P
21:12<Aleric>Mr_Giraffe: thanks!
21:12<Mr_Giraffe>no problem, i just guessed at that
21:12<Mr_Giraffe>oh, did that not work?
21:12<Aleric>yes it did
21:12<Mr_Giraffe>oh, sweet
21:12<Hailsematary>witte: thanks, I have seen this doc, however I thought apt-secure is just a more secure way to sign the packages
21:13<Aleric>I just never use that applet.. it's too small to have control: if I click on it I end up God Knows Where. So I never click on it, let alone right-click :p
21:13<Hailsematary>I mean it came to me that this mechanism was just to add more security enchancements to the system
21:13<leftylink>witte: ah, okay, it says dpkg was interrupted, so I'm running dpkg again
21:13<Hailsematary>now I see, thanks for your valuable help ;)
21:14<witte>Hailsematary: well, that was the case before etch, but now it is in debian stable...
21:14<witte>Hailsematary: and you are welcome :-)
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21:14<Hailsematary>witte: would you mind some more questions? :) how was the signing thing handled before etch?
21:15<Hailsematary>I mean, were there not any package signing mechanism?
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21:15<frederico>Hi. May a make a question about a tiny shell script here?
21:15<witte>Hailsematary: you can ask, but i am afraid I don't know the answer, i even think there was no signing mechanism
21:15<amphi>frederico: just ask
21:16<frederico>I'm trying to make a backup script to backup my /home dir without the hidden files and directories. The script is not working properly, the hidden files are still being copied. I don't know what's wrong. Please see:
21:16<Hailsematary>witte: thanks again =)
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21:18<leftylink>I think I might be fed up with all these guis... what's the text-based thing for packages again? aptitude?
21:18<witte>leftylink: aptitude is now the recommended package installer yes
21:18<witte>leftylink: an alternative is apt-get
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21:20<leftylink>witte: thanks
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21:27<mgray5159>I am new to this channel
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21:30<cwood>frederico: $EXCLUIDIR expands to a list of directories, maybe wrap it in double quotes in the sudo tar line?
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21:31<frederico>cwood, I'll try. Just a minute.
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21:33<frederico>cwood, doesn't work. Thanks anyway!
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21:33<cwood>Why doesn't it work... no error?
21:34<cwood>--exclude says it excludes files, perhaps that doesn't mean directories. Maybe build a list of what you want backed up, and explicitly tar those?
21:35<frederico>No error message, the hidden files are still being copied.
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21:37<cwood>find /home/frederico -maxdepth 1 -type d | egrep -v '/home/frederico/\.'
21:37<cwood>Tar those.
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21:38<frederico>cwood, it's a good point... I think it is the right way to do
21:38<frederico>Ops! Just a minute!
21:39<cwood>Yeah, but remove -type d, you may miss some things :p
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21:45<frederico>cwood, the same thing. Hidden dir being copied. :(
21:45<cwood>Are you also tarring /home/frederico? Tar everything in it that's not hidden.
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21:46<cwood>The find result will have /home/frederico at the top, you can't tar that or it will catch everything below.
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21:48<frederico>cwood, Just a while...
21:49<cwood>just grep that out too.
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21:49<octoserver>is there a way to delet crap without it trying to go to the trash ?
21:50<witte>octoserver: rm?
21:50<octoserver>in konqueror ?
21:50<witte>octoserver: or if you use a gui, probably shift - del, or ctrl - del
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21:51<witte>octoserver: didn't try it, but it wont be anything more special than that i guess :-)
21:51<octoserver>if i hold shift while i right click i had the delet option, thanks
21:52<witte>octoserver: probably if you use shift -del on the file, it will be deleted as well...
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21:57<k-man>is there some tool i can use to monitor the network i/o rate of a process?
21:58<Xenguy>k-man: a bandwidth monitor, or ... ?
21:59<k-man>Xenguy, yeah, exactly
21:59<Xenguy>k-man: bmon
21:59<k-man>cwood, tcpdump seems a little too complex
21:59<Xenguy>k-man: there's also bwm-ng and nload
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22:00<Xenguy>k-man: tcpdump is a sniffer; different category of tool, and quite useful
22:01<frederico>cwood, doesn't word. Please see it is correct:
22:01<frederico>cwood, the hidden are being copied.
22:02<k-man>Xenguy, which is the simplest?
22:04<cwood>frederico: As I said, you can't include /home/frederico or it will include everything under it. The find statement will include /home/frederico. You may have to: INCLUIR=`find /home/frederico -maxdepth 1 -type d | egrep -v '/home/frederico/\.' | grep -v '/home/frederico'` ... see man tar also.
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22:06<witte>frederico: if you have locate installed, and you do a regular updatedb, you can also do: INCLUIR=`locate /home/frederico | grep -v /home/frederico/\.`
22:06<cwood>frederico: Try running the variants of the find statement and putting the output in a file, to see what's being copied.
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22:10<frederico>witte, I'll try!
22:10<frederico>cwood, the output is empty
22:10<cwood>aha, right... it'll catch them all
22:11<witte>frederico: you can change that by putting: INCLUIR=`find
22:11<witte> /home/frederico -maxdepth 1 -type d | egrep -v
22:11<witte>'/home/frederico/\.' grep -v '/home/frederico$'`
22:11<cwood>You can use tail +1 rather than egrep -v to exclude your own home directory as well.
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22:12<witte>frederico: but i think you would need to remove ticks: (last part only): |egrep -v /home/frederico$`
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22:16<cwood>The best thing is to fiddle with your find statement until it gets the list you want... but the principle remains accurate, tar what you want rather than everything minus what you don't want. ;)
22:19<frederico>witte, I'm trying... another guy from #bash is suggesting a diferent way...
22:20<witte>frederico: there must be hundreds of possible methods, you just need to find one
22:20<witte>(note that there are much more than 100 wrong methods ;-))
22:21<frederico>cwood, well... I think I will spend my weekend trying... :)
22:21<cwood>That's the spirit.
22:21<cwood>Now why don't you want to back up your dotfiles anyway?
22:21<frederico>witte, yes! :D.
22:23<frederico>cwood, because I have Virtualbox installed and the virtual machines (a lot of them) are in /home/frederico/.Virtualbox/... I don't have too much space for backups..
22:24<cwood>You could always exclude just that directory from the list, if that's all that needs excluding.
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22:25<frederico>cwood, yes, I know. But I looking for a "simple" script, and there are others directories unwanted.
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22:27<frederico>Anyway, thank you guys for the gentle help!
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22:27<cwood>Um, you're welcome (I was gentle?).
22:27<witte>frederico: my method with locate does not work it seems, but this should: locate /home/dirk |grep -v '/home/dirk/\.' |grep -v /home/dirk$
22:27<witte>with dirk replaced by frederico of course :-)
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22:34<frederico>cwood, a little bit. (laughing...)
22:34<frederico>witte, yes :(
22:35<cwood>The problem with using locate is that the database is only scheduled for update every 24 hours.
22:35<witte>cwood: yes, that is true, that is a problem, but it already has an index, so you would not need to do double work
22:36<witte>cwood: if it is for a server, and something for a cron job, you can schedule it right after the updatedb
22:36<cwood>As long as you're fine with only backing up yesterday's files, but good point.
22:37<witte>cwood: you are right, locate is not good for every solution, but it can be useful.
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23:55<frederico>cwood, bingo!
23:58<cwood>bingo? Pastebin.
23:59<Xenguy>k-man: rsnapshot is a good backup tool to start with (it seems your requirements are simple)
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