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00:02<cwood>No, just the one you want
00:02<cwood>So say the whole domain is, but you want to point to
00:03<hanattaw>i've test lenny installer
00:03<cwood>You configure your dns server to be authoritative for only, and point that with an A record to
00:03<hanattaw>it's ok. Do you?
00:03<kp>ty cwood
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00:20<vtec>can someone help me with a small problem involving Apache LogFormat
00:20<cwood>Ask, don't ask to ask.
00:20<vtec>LogFormat "%{HTTP_HOST}i %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined
00:20<vtec>problem is I cant get the HTTP_HOST to work, its just blank in the log file
00:21<cwood>"%{HTTP_HOST}i %h %l %u %t \"%r\" <--- that portion?
00:22<vtec>i'm trying to use 1 virtualhost for multiple domains
00:22<vtec>so %v isnt working.. but I dont get why HTTP_HOST variable doesnt work
00:23<vtec>im not getting a error its just blank where the http host should be in the log file
00:23<cwood>vtec: so the bit that's the problem is %{HTTP_HOST} ?
00:23<vtec>i also tried SERVER_NAME etc
00:24<vtec>tried doing UseCanonicalName Off .. doesnt help
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00:26<cwood>Hm. Not sure how I'd approach that problem. Is it just HTTP_HOST that you're having problems logging, or do you have difficulties with any other environment variables?
00:26<cwood>Maybe focus on environment variables, see what works, what doesn't work.
00:26<vtec>well like those other variables work
00:26<vtec>%{Referer} and ${User-Agent}
00:26<vtec>just not HTTP_HOST
00:27<vtec>i dont understand why
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00:27<cwood>Are Referer and User-Agent environment variables?
00:27<hanattaw>it's work on my debian.
00:27<cwood>HTTP_USER_AGENT is the environment variable, I thought.
00:28<vtec>LogFormat "%{HTTP_HOST}i %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined
00:28<vtec>hanattaw what version apache you using?
00:28<vtec>i am using 1.3.37
00:28<hanattaw>Server version: Apache/2.2.3
00:28<hanattaw>Server built: Jun 17 2007 20:24:06
00:29<vtec>maybe should upgrade to 2
00:29<vtec>but i like 1.3 :/
00:29<cwood>I mean that Referer isn't an environment variable... but HTTP_HOST is. Perhaps you could try seeing if HTTP_USER_AGENT works as well as HTTP_HOST.
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00:31<hanattaw>vtec: Are you running on Vhost?
00:32<vtec>i am using a setup like this
00:33<vtec><VirtualHost 66.x.x.x>
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00:33<vtec>and i have multiple domains on that ip
00:33<vtec>trying to use 1 log file
00:33<vtec>but have the host show up in the log file
00:33<vtec>but my envoromental variables in apache arent working
00:33<vtec>i guess
00:34<cwood>Have you tested with more than one environment variable?
00:34<vtec>i tried that HTPT_USER_AGENT . didnt work either
00:35<twb>vtec: did you spell it correc- ok
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00:36<gsimmons>vtec: You'll need to use `%{FOORBAR}e' (note the e) to output the contents of an environment variable.
00:38<vtec>LogFormat "%{HTTP_HOST}e %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined
00:38<vtec>thats what i have, not working.
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00:39<vtec>- 66.x.x.x - - [17/Apr/2008:00:38:25 -0400] "GET /test.html HTTP/1.0" 404 203 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: Gecko/20080404 Firefox/"
00:39<vtec>no host
00:39<hanattaw>Please try %{Host}i instead of %{HTTP_HOST}i
00:39<hanattaw>it's work on me.
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00:40<vtec>%{Host}i worked
00:40*vtec shakes hanattaw hand
00:41<hanattaw>But for myself, i have to do each logfile for each domain.
00:41<hanattaw>it's save.
00:42<hanattaw>U're welcome.
00:43<vtec>this is the only helpful irc channel i've ever been in.
00:44<vtec>efnet is shit
00:44<hanattaw>This is my first time on #debian on this server.
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00:44<vtec>me too
00:44<hanattaw>7 years ago
00:45<hanattaw>with my green dump terminal at my university.
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00:45<vtec>hanattaw: where are u from?
00:45<hanattaw>i'm from KMITNB.
00:45<hanattaw>Vtec: AND YOU?
00:46<hanattaw>Yes, i'm noW in Thailand
00:46<vtec>i'm in USA
00:46<hanattaw>Vtec: What are you doing there?
00:47<vtec>i live here ;)
00:47<hanattaw>Are you Thai?
00:47<vtec>No.. american
00:48<hanattaw>Really? Oh! i though everybody here are Thai.
00:48<vtec>LOL I dont know about that
00:48<vtec>Isn't this a USA server?
00:49<vikki_r>it's just teh middle of the night here (EST)
00:50<hanattaw>i'm come from
00:51<vtec>im from efnet
00:52<vtec>thanx again hanattaw, good luck in life. bye.
00:52<hanattaw>see you.
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01:20<huhlig>is there a list of what packages are selected by the various tasksel options
01:20<huhlig>laptop, standard system, mail server, etc
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01:25<gsimmons>!server tasks
01:25<dpkg>From the Etch <i-g> s6.3.5.2: "The various server tasks wil install software roughly as follows. DNS server: bind9; File server: samba, nfs; Mail server: exim4, spamassassin, uw-imap; Print server: cups; SQL database: postgresql; Web server: apache."
01:26<gsimmons>huhlig: See also /usr/share/tasksel/*desc
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01:29<huhlig>hmm, dont have access to the file as I havetn installed yet
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01:31<helpme>hi, i need some help with mysql and php (LAMP) can anyone help me?
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01:42<NinjaMan>can gstreamer be configured (e.g. audio backend selected) and if so how?
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01:54<twb>Probably via gconf
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01:59<usss>alguien tiene unos buenos repositorios para etch?
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02:04<twb>!tell usss -about es
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02:10<Supaplex>oops. i boked it. 23436 Segmentation fault | scripts/genksyms/genksyms -a i386 >arch/i386/kernel/.tmp_traps.ver
02:11*Supaplex invokes sleep() and will look at it tomorrow
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02:18<Supaplex>actually, im'a memtest86+ that box until I wake up.
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02:23<opera>anyone know how to specify multiple interface configuration for a DebianLive based livecd?
02:24<jm_>there's a special channel for debian-live
02:24<opera>ah, thanks for the tip :)
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02:29<chandu>How do I know the disk transfer rate of RAID device i.e /dev/cciss/c0d0p1
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02:31<jm_>chandu: apt-cache show bonnie++
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02:33<chandu>jm_, apt-cache is to show the repo contents ..right
02:34<chandu>jm_, How does it show the RAID disk transfer rate
02:34<jm_>chandu: did you read what bonnie does?
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02:35<chandu>jm_, No ..
02:36<jm_>chandu: ok so do that first
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03:34<mohammad99>hi every one
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03:45<twb>I have a tricky package search question: suppose I have package A installed and it Depends: B | C. I want to find all such packages B and C where I have multiple dependency paths installed.
03:46<twb>For example, etckeeper is keeping both git-core and mercurial installed on my system, where it really only needs one of the two.
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03:48<twb>Another search I want to do is to find cyclic Recommends or Depends such that two (or more) packages depend on one another in a cycle, so that even though all packages in the cycle are markauto'd, they won't be uninstalled.
03:48<jm_>I would first search for all installed packages that have '|' in depends field, then go through those and check their status
03:49<twb>jm_: surely their status would be Installed
03:49<jm_>twb: yes but for some you may only have one dependency installed
03:49<twb>That wouldn't be the status of the package, it'd be the status of its dependencies.
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03:50<twb>My initial problem with this approach is that I don't know how to 100% correctly parse a Depends: line into a symbol tree.
03:50<jm_>yes - that's why I said check their status
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03:53<twb>jm_: by "status" are you referring to the second column of dpkg -l
03:54<twb>jm_: by "status" are you referring to the second column of dpkg -l's output?
03:55<jm_>twb: no, Status field -- grep-status -F Status -s Package installed
03:56<twb>I'm afraid I still don't understand how that helps.
03:58<twb>I mean, I guess I could hack up nasty crock with cut -d, | cut -d\|
03:58<jm_>that will give you all installed packages first -- grep-status -F Status -s Package,Depends installed
03:58<jm_>then you have to remember these and repeat -- I'd use awk
03:59<jm_>ahh regex has to be ' installed'
03:59<twb>My problem is still parsing the Depends line
03:59<jm_>why is that a problem? it's split by ,
04:00<jm_>and then by | if it's there
04:00<twb>jm_: what about really long Depends lines, that are split over two literal lines?
04:00<jm_>twb: are they really split over two lines? I thought it's all a single line
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04:00<twb>Perhaps grep-dctrl unwraps them for us
04:00<jm_>let me check status file
04:01<twb>it appears to, yeah
04:01<flash600>hi! i've problems to install mysql-server-.0
04:01<flash600>i recive this error: adduser: »/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/mysql -g mysql -s /bin/false -u 107 mysql« gab den Fehlercode 1 zurück.
04:01<jm_>it's all in single line for me
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04:02<flash600>and useradd: Kann Kennwortdatei nicht sperren
04:04<jm_>let's print longest depends line: 1331 characters
04:04<jm_>flash600: run that command manually
04:04<flash600>i recive than this error: useradd: Kann Kennwortdatei nicht sperren
04:04<flash600>in english: cannot look passwordfile
04:05<jm_>run it with LANG=C useradd ...
04:05<jm_>twb: so it's all in a single line
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04:06<flash600>you mean: /usr/sbin/useradd LANF=C -d /var/lib/mysql -g mysql -s /bin/false -u 107 mysql
04:06<jm_>no, LANG=C - the rest is OK yes
04:06<twb>jm_: LC_ALL=C is better, no?
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04:07<flash600>I#m to stupid.. what is the command?
04:07<modnar>hey guys was wondering if i have multiple installs of OS's(linux based) is there an issue with me having them all use the same swap space?
04:08<flash600>LANG=C /usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/mysql -g mysql -s /bin/false -u 107 mysql
04:08<jm_>twb: LANG should be fine
04:08<twb>modnar: concurrently?
04:08<flash600>i recive now the mes. in english: useradd: unable to lock password file
04:08<jm_>modnar: only if you use suspend to disk or use it concurrently
04:08<twb>jm_: even if he explicitly sets LC_MESSAGES?
04:08<jm_>flash600: can you strace it?
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04:08<modnar>no just having on os up and running but them sharing the same partition when they are booted individually
04:09<flash600>what mean strace? My english is bad
04:09<twb>!tell flash600 about de
04:10<jm_>LANG=C strace useradd ...
04:10<flash600>ok, moment
04:10<flash600>ui.. here is a lot of output..
04:11<flash600>access("/etc/", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:11<flash600> syntax error near unexpected token `"/etc/",'
04:11<jm_>ok use LANG=C strace -o /tmp/str.txt useradd ... then paste /tmp/str.txt on some paste site
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04:13<flash600>tell me a site
04:14<jm_>for example
04:16<modnar>jm_: is it bad to use them individually?
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04:17<flash600>i've seen, that under /etc/ exist a passwd.lock can I delete that file?
04:18<jm_>modnar: no
04:18<jm_>give us URL of your paste
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04:20<jm_>no, that's the site, we need it for your paste - it was shown in your browser when you pasted it and clicked ok/paste
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04:22<jm_>yes remove that file
04:22<flash600>the passwd.look?
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04:24<flash600>ok, i trie
04:25<flash600>no, error: useradd: Kann Shadow-Kennwortdatei nicht sperren
04:26<Gekz>The shadow user file doesnt exist?
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04:26<flash600>the /etc/shadow exist
04:27<jm_>it says it can't save it right? strace it again
04:27<flash600>ik, one moment
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04:34<flash600>resolved !
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04:34<flash600>i've deledted the shadow.look
04:35<flash600>thanks all!
04:35<jm_>how did you end up with this?
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04:36<flash600>what do you mean?
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05:04<Wesley> Is there any good way to clone a debian machine? (packages, users, groups etc)
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05:08<dpkg>our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)
05:08<SlayerXP>err no
05:09<jm_>Wesley: yes, man cp
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05:19<Wesley>Ehm ..
05:19<hatter>what are my chances of recovering deleted data from an ext3 filesystem ? are there any debian tools for this ?
05:19<Wesley>What's cp gotta do with it.
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05:22<jm_>!ext3 undelete
05:23<dpkg>rumour has it, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
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05:24<hatter>jm_, thx, that is the link i am reading. i was hoping for a simpler way :)
05:25<jm_>hatter: you're lucky even that exists :)
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05:26<hatter>jm_, yes it looks that way :) for the first time i enjoy a ms filesystem over ext3 :)
05:26<jm_>hatter: why?
05:27<hatter>recovermyfiles works great
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05:27<jm_>yeah but that's because there are add-on products that do the job - the OS itself gives you nothing
05:28<Smurfie>Just make sure to regularly make backups.
05:28<hatter>jm_, yes, true, i guess a similar pgm cpuld be made from the ext3grep
05:28<Smurfie>Undeleting deleted files is just a silly idea in my opinion.
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05:29<Smurfie>(Not that I never got caught deleting the wrong file, of course ;-)
05:29<hatter>Smurfie, yes, but your data is old as your latest backup, so undeleting can mean not having to go back in time at all when a f*ckup happens
05:30*Smurfie nods
05:30<Smurfie>You are quite right of course.
05:30<hatter>grrr humble hisss to meeee
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05:41<Azag-tot>hi all, is the any russian ?)))
05:42<Azag-tot>hmm...can anybody help me?) I can't install libmysqlclient10-dev
05:42<SlayerXP>Azag-tot: why not?
05:43<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
05:44<Azag-tot>thank you )))
05:44<themill>Azag-tot: if you are using etch, try libmysqlclient15-dev instead
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05:46<Azag-tot>themill yes, thank you )
05:46<Azag-tot>now I'll try to =)
05:50<Azag-tot>themill: thanks, it works =)
05:50<themill>excellent. Have fun!
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05:58<marcreichelt>hi there
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06:00<marcreichelt>I have Etch installed, and I'm running Apache2
06:01<marcreichelt>but IPv6 does not work with Apache - do I have to install an additional packet?
06:01<wnd>not that I can tell
06:01<Smurfie>What makes you say it doesn't work with ipv6? Got specific error messages?
06:02<marcreichelt>e.g. "wget http://localhost/" works
06:02<wnd>have you configured apache to listen to specific address which is either ipv4 or resolves only to ipv4?
06:02<marcreichelt>but "wget http://[::1]/" does not (connection refused)
06:02<wnd>(you can also use "wget -6 foo")
06:03<marcreichelt>wnd: it is the default configuration
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06:04<marcreichelt>but "ping6 ip6-localhost" does work
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06:04<wnd>does "netstat -lpn -A inet6 | grep apache" (as root) list apache?
06:06<marcreichelt>no, it does not
06:08<wnd>I suppose you can also checked the logs for any errors or warnings about already used ports
06:09<marcreichelt>there is no other program running on port 80 ;)
06:09<marcreichelt>it is a completely new small net install just with Apache, even without PHP or MySQL
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06:10<wnd>I guess you have also restarted apache, so it can't be that apache was first run when ipv6 module was not yet loaded
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06:11<marcreichelt>of course
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06:12<marcreichelt>dpkg -l "apa*" lists that apache2-mpm-worker is installed
06:12<dpkg>ii "apa*" lists that apache2-mpm-worker is installed 3.2-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
06:12<marcreichelt>maybe this package comes without IPv6?
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06:13<wnd>I find that difficult to believe
06:13<jm_>are you using apache2?
06:14<wnd>mine is 2.2.3-4+etch4 and I never had problems with ipv6
06:14<jm_>then try telling it to listen on that too
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06:14<jm_>although it should default to listen on ipv6 too
06:15<marcreichelt>I installed apache2-mpm-prefork, and IPv6 works
06:16<marcreichelt>so the error must be in apache2-mpm-worker
06:16<jm_>tbs time
06:16<jm_>bts too
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06:23<marcreichelt>can somebody look if he can view this problem, too?
06:24<marcreichelt>1. basic debian installation without apache2 or anything other
06:24<marcreichelt>2. apt-get install apache2
06:24<marcreichelt>3. notice that "wget http://localhost/" does work, but "wget -6 http://[::1]/" not
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06:25<SlayerXP>marcreichelt: you missed step 2.5
06:25<SlayerXP>i.e. configure apache to listen on ipv6
06:25<wnd>as it has been said, apache2 should do that by default
06:26<marcreichelt>that's what I expected
06:26<marcreichelt>4. install "apache2-mpm-prefork" and notice that "wget -6 http://[::1]/" works then
06:27<marcreichelt>so apache2-mpm-worker comes without IPv6 support
06:27<wnd>marcreichelt, "wget -6 http://localhost/" ;-)
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06:28<marcreichelt>what about that?
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06:28<marcreichelt>localhost is no IPv6 address
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06:31<marcreichelt>wnd: you mean "wget -6 http://ip6-localhost/"
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06:33*wnd shrugs
06:33<wnd>well, on my system it is
06:35<salmonix>Hi there,pretty new to Deb, so do not blame me... Havin this problem with etch: I have a ralink chipped wifi card, I use the CVS (from 2 days ago). All went fine but once after boot it started to forget default route (I am behind a router) and the dns server - spoosedly given by the router. When I set them manually (resolv.conf and route add default gw) and restart the interface it is ok., but after reboot it falls back into amnesy. Any ide
06:36<marcreichelt>wnd: on your system IPv6 is working?
06:36<marcreichelt>also with http://localhost/ ?
06:38<jm_>salmonix: many ideas
06:38<wnd>at least wget says "Resolving localhost... ::1"
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06:43<marcreichelt>hmm, IPv6 is funny
06:43<marcreichelt>but I think a bug report should be done
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06:48<salmonix>jm_: eg. I need something to start with...
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06:49<jm_>salmonix: you can configure your dhcp client to not overwrite it
06:49<salmonix>jm_: how?
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06:52<jm_>salmonix: edit its config file
06:53<jm_>salmonix: ^^^^^^^
06:54<salmonix>jm_: right. on the way to find it.
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06:54<jm_>that should do it
06:56<marcreichelt>okay, thanks
06:56<marcreichelt>I'll write a bug report today
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07:47<JustSoul>hell o
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07:50<JustSoul>Is it possible, using cups, add user and computer name at bottom of page on each page printed?
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08:01<jm_>JustSoul: in theory it is yes
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08:06<jm_>ahh it has banners, both starting and ending
08:09<JustSoul>jm_: in theory?
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08:13<darsie>Hi! The sshd on a server is down. How can I restart sshd or the server? I can make php scripts with ftp and start them with apache. I know the root pw.
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08:15<darsie>can I 'echo rootpw|su -c '/etc/init.d/ssh restart'?
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08:17<ranix>darsie: you can walk to it and use its console to log in as root to restart sshd
08:18<darsie>It's in the same city, but I'd like to avoid that.
08:18<ranix>darsie: if you thought through your network layout with obsession, you might be able to log into the UPS and power cycle the machine
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08:20<jm_>maybe try this
08:20<darsie>hmm, maybe an expect script might work.
08:20<darsie>ok ...
08:20<jm_>ahh it's apache module, won't help
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08:21<ranix>anyterm is funny
08:21<ranix>I like it.
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08:56<sergiu14>hello, I want to access a GtkWiget ( a entry field ) , from a button signal function ( eg. button clicked) , but the entry filed is declared in the main window form, which is not seen from the button signal. How can I connect them?
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09:01<wnd>sergiu14, maybe you should try #gtk+ on instead
09:02<wnd>however you could pass the pointer to GtkEntry as GtkButtton's user data
09:02<sergiu14>pls tell me :D
09:02<wnd>this is not the palce
09:03<sergiu14>whsper ?
09:03<sergiu14> plz :)
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09:06<skiter>hi all, I have problems to use ssh forward with load balance.. the ssh connection freeze.. any idea?
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09:08<Smurfie>1st question: do you *need* loadbalancing with ssh?
09:08<Smurfie>How fast can you type? ;-)
09:09<monx>not quite sure how all this works, first time booting up any flavour of linux (w/ network) on this piece of hardware tx1420us, and fairly new to the whole world of debian in general. Anyone else in the room have familiarity with Debian 4.0r3 on this tablet? Looking to get various things working on it, sound (which seems to be a usual problem for many newbies?), webcam, wifi, touchscreen, media buttons, etc (I am sure), though I must say nice to finally find a
09:09<monx>linux that is giving me the net, and basic functionality, right off the bat. Fedora was a no go on this machine, as was Suse, even older m$ doesn't work.
09:09<skiter>Smurfie, my problem not is only with ssh
09:09<skiter>https too
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09:10<Smurfie>Just pulling your leg a bit, sorry.
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09:11<monx>I giggled fer a second there
09:11<skiter>I read about CONNMARK, but don't work if I mark that in mangle FORWARD
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09:11<fmalucard>hello guys, i hope i cant get help with something...
09:12<fmalucard>i installed samba on my machine
09:12<fmalucard>and i am able to connect to a vista pc via terminal, but how can i actually browse and execute the files through the file manager?
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09:13<skiter>\\<ip> or \\<machine_name>
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09:13<fmalucard>i can get the smb:> prompt on the terminal, but i can only see the list of files
09:14<fmalucard>for example, how can i watch an .avi file on the vista machine?
09:14<skiter>\\<ip> or \\<machine_name>>
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09:14<Nhialator>hey hey! coming to you via knoppix and packet radio!!
09:14<fmalucard>where do i put that? on terminal? my file manager doesnt allow me to open smb:// addresses
09:15<mysupper>I can't not run beryl on my dual-headed xinerama. Is this normal?
09:15<jm_>fmalucard: use smbmount
09:16<Nhialator>any1 here use buttload and/or AVR??
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09:17<fmalucard>i installed samba but that command isnt recognized... do i need to apt-get that?
09:17<jm_>smbmout is not part of samba so yes
09:17<witte>fmalucard: it is part of the smbfs package
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09:18<dan>hello every one
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09:18<homer>I have a question
09:19<themill>!just ask
09:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:19<Torsten_W>tell us
09:19<homer>How do i remove a stopped proccess
09:19<homer>hhhhhhhhh nice bot
09:19<homer>well i am not sure how to correctly and fully stop and remove a process
09:20<homer>I did kill pid and found out the proccess became T
09:20<monx>sudo kill? (thats just a guess, just fresh to debian by a few hours)
09:20<weasel>homer: how did it become Traced?
09:21<homer>no it won't work not good enough
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09:21<weasel>did you send it a SIGSTOP?
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09:21<homer>weasel, i don't no
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09:21*monx sits quietly and listens
09:21<weasel>send it a SIGCONT, then a SIGTERM or SIGINT
09:21<Nhialator>does anyone know what linux distro i should use to safely write to NTFS? i am hearing horror stories...
09:22<weasel>(or just a sigkill)
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09:22<witte>Nhialator: the distribution is not going to make the difference
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09:22<Torsten_W>Nhialator: ntfs-3g is relative safe
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09:22<Nhialator>thanx witte & tersen
09:23<witte>Nhialator: every distribution uses the same drivers, just some different defaults etc
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09:23<homer>weasel, so i do : kill -sigkill pid ?
09:24<Nhialator>ok... is the qtparted driver search worth having a go at? should i point it to an xp cd or something?
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09:24<scimmiapazza>umh..I think that kernel 2.6.24 can't handle correcty my laptop battery cause, even if it's full charged..and I turn off say that the barrety level is low and want to turn off the pc....
09:24<weasel>homer: sure
09:24<opera>isnt it kill -9 or kill -KILL?
09:24<weasel>all of them work
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09:25<homer>for some reason kill -9 didn't work for me
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09:25<monx>while you say right in the topic this is not ubuntu, something I realize, I do have a Debian question that pertains to Nubuntu... What is the similiarity in the two? I found a thread in the ubuntu forums that is nearly reaching 1000 responses, all on this tablet, and wondering if it' will do me much, any, or no good with my problems?
09:25*monx blushes
09:26<weasel>homer: if its status is still T send it a cont.
09:26<themill>scimmiapazza: where is this kernel from? Are you running etch?
09:26<homer>no it's ok sigkill worked
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09:26<homer>it's the kill -9 that didn't work for some reason
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09:27<homer>weasel, thanks
09:27<scimmiapazza>themill: no..lenny..I think that is how 2.6.24 is configured..cause with 2.6.22, before the dist-upgrade, ti worked.
09:27<themill>scimmiapazza: this is lenny's package for 2.6.24?
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09:28<scimmiapazza>themill: yes..2.6.24-1-amd64
09:28<themill>!dbugs 463111
09:28<dpkg>#463111:I[acpitool] acpitool queries /proc but not new /sys power interfaces; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:04 UTC
09:29<scimmiapazza>themill: don't understand..
09:29<themill>scimmiapazza: ^^ most likely related to that. The battery monitoring interface has changed and your battery monitoring applet probably doesn't understand the new interface.
09:30<themill>!dbugs 463253
09:30<dpkg>DONE:#463253:I[linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64] linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64: Bring back /proc/acpi; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:00:15 UTC
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09:30<scimmiapazza>..i use can I do?
09:30<scimmiapazza>what can i do? XD
09:30<themill>scimmiapazza: I believe kpowersave works OK (and it's much better too)
09:31<scimmiapazza> i try it :D
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09:33<fmalucard>thanks alot jm_ i was able to mount the share
09:33<themill>scimmiapazza: the other thing is that this change from /proc/acpi to /sys/power was supposedly reverted in a later 2.6.24 kernel so you should be OK.
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09:34<fmalucard>witte, thanks alot as well. im new to linux today and im proud to say i made alot of stuff work already.
09:34<fmalucard>samba, ati drivers, etc etc lol
09:35<scimmiapazza>themill: even kpowersave don't say that remain 38h for full charge XD should i install sid kernel to solve this problem?
09:35<themill>scimmiapazza: it should be the same version of the kernel in both sid and lenny at the moment.
09:36<scimmiapazza>themill: umh..and so what should I do?
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09:37<themill>scimmiapazza: what do you get for: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.24-\* (use a pastebin)
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09:40<scimmiapazza>themill: in italian..
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09:41<themill>scimmiapazza: italian is fine for that; but in general if you run commands like that with LANG=C before them they will come out in English.
09:42<themill>scimmiapazza: Yeah, that's the same kernel in both lenny and sid so that's not going to help.
09:42<themill>scimmiapazza: Do you have the acpi battery module loaded?
09:42<scimmiapazza>themill: can i test that? XD
09:42<themill>scimmiapazza: lsmod |grep batt
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09:44<scimmiapazza>battery 19976 0
09:45<themill>scimmiapazza: well, that's me out of ideas then... :(
09:45<scimmiapazza>themill: however..I had that problem even with other distro :S maybe just 2.6.24 hate my battery XD
09:46<themill>quite possibly. You could ask in #kernelnewbies, perhaps.
09:46<themill>or #linux
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09:46<scimmiapazza>themill: ;) i will try..
09:46<scimmiapazza>tnx for everything! :D
09:47<scimmiapazza>have a nice day.
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10:03<Villarroel>Mmm. Apache Basic authentication with .ht[access/passwd] is not working AccessFileName directive of apache2.conf is set to .htaccess ... I'm using the userdir_module, but also I have moved the files to www-root and they are not working too. Any ideas, I don't know what to do.
10:04<themill>Villarroel: look in the error_log for clues
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10:04<Villarroel>Thanks themill.
10:04<themill>Villarroel: you may need to allow overrides for that directory in apache2.conf (or in conf.d) before the .htaccess will work
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10:12<Guest489>como monto la impresora en knoppix
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10:14<woden>How can I backup files from my Debian partition, if the only way I can boot into it is with the installer CD via rescue mode?
10:14<lolo>is there somebody to help me, i 've forgot the root paswd
10:15<witte>lolo: do you have sudo rights?
10:15<gsimmons>!tell lolo -about ifrp
10:15<Smurfie>lolo, do you have sudo set up?
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10:15<lolo>sudo su
10:15<Smurfie>If so, after sudo su -c you can use the passwd command.
10:15<azeem>lolo: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password
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10:16<woden>I can't reinstall grub, and the only way I can boot my Debian install is to use rescue mode from the installer CD. How can I copy my files to a CD or move them to another partition?
10:16<lolo>ok thanks i test it
10:17<lolo>frantz46 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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10:17<Smurfie>Uh oh...
10:17<Smurfie>Better /msg dpkg then.
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10:18<Smurfie>woden, when in rescue mode, can you see what is mounted?
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10:18<woden>Smurfie: yes.
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10:19<Smurfie>Oh cool. Your root partition might be mounted on /mnt, your /usr partition on /mnt/usr.
10:19<woden>Smurfie: I tried to mount my ntfs partition to copy over the data, but it said ntfs was unsupported. Also, can you burn to DVD-RW from the rescue prompt?
10:19<woden>Smurfie: Yea, I located all my files in /home/woden, but I can't figure out how to back them up somewhere else
10:19<Smurfie>Usually, your possibilities from rescue mode are limited.
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10:19<Smurfie>You should however be able to copy files from the CD.
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10:19<woden>Smurfie: You mean, to the CD?
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10:20<Smurfie>No, just from.
10:20<Smurfie>So that was not the problem...
10:20<woden>Smurfie: That doesn't help. I need to get my backup files off that partition so I can reinstall a fresh copy of Debian.
10:20<lolo>yes Woden
10:20<Smurfie>Dunno if that can be done from recue mode.
10:20<woden>Smurfie: So my data is lost?
10:21<Smurfie>Do you have another partition that you could save to?
10:21<chealer>woden: you don't need to "boot into your Debian partition", just to mount it at the samed time as another filesystem with enough free space.
10:21<woden>Smurfie: Yes, an NTFS partition.
10:21<woden>Yea, Vista (for games)
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10:21<Smurfie>Can you mount like, say, a USB memory stick from rescue mode?
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10:22<woden>I installed Vista after I installed Debian, and it overwrote the MBR. Then I tried to use the install CD to reinstall grub but it would not work (trust me, I tried with jm_ for about 2 hours it would not work).
10:22<Smurfie>Or anything else?
10:22<woden>Smurfie: I don't know if I could mount a thumb drive...can I?
10:22<lolo>ok thanks
10:22<Smurfie>If jm_ can't figure it out, I wouldn't know.
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10:22<woden>Yea, so I just need to backup that data somewhere else so I can reinstall a fresh copy of Debian.
10:23<woden>do memory sticks work from rescue mode?
10:23<homer>how do i edit the sudo user profile file???
10:23<woden>what would the mount command be for that?
10:23<Smurfie>Is there any other way you can bring up the system except in rescue mode?
10:23<Smurfie>homer: sudo visudo.
10:23<witte>woden: mount /dev/sdb1 /mount/point
10:24<witte>woden: with the /dev/sdb1 the partition of your usb disk (which you can see with "dmesg |tail" right after inserting the device
10:24<woden>the device will be /dev/sdb1 ?
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10:24<Smurfie>Mine shows up as /dev/sdb1 yes.
10:24<n3ksus>Quick question, when i try to open a .php file it opensup a new web browser and then opens another and so forth
10:25<woden>alright I'll try that brb
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10:25<n3ksus>any1 know why and how to fix it?
10:25<Smurfie>n3ksus: that might depend on the php soucre code.
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10:25<Smurfie>Maybe it does weird stuff?
10:25<n3ksus>it does?
10:25<Smurfie>I dunno.
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10:26<Smurfie>Does it have documentation you could read?
10:26<n3ksus>i try and open the phpmyadmin index.php
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10:28<Villarroel>Thanks... I allow overrides. And is now working.
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10:34<homer>Smurfie, visudo is a file for defining who are sudo users no???
10:34<Smurfie>visudo is a program to edit your sudo configuration.
10:34<Smurfie>It must be run as root.
10:35<homer>yep but my problem is not editing who is a sudoer
10:35<Smurfie>Then what is your problem?
10:35<homer>it's the profile a sudo user uses
10:35<homer>for example cd is an unknown command for sudo
10:35<Smurfie>You want to chroot sudo users?
10:36<homer>what do you mean by that?
10:37<Smurfie>I just don't understand your comment about the cd command.
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10:38<homer>say i do(just for example) sudo cd /usr/... it sais "cd: command not found"
10:38<homer>i wan't to be able to change the way a sudo user acts.
10:38<themill>homer: sudo isn't an interactive command
10:38<Smurfie>That is because cd is an internal shell command.
10:39<Smurfie>You'd want sudo bash cd, though I can't imagine what that would be good for...
10:39<themill>!wayttd homer
10:39<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, homer?
10:39<homer>OK, say i want to create an alias of vi to vim. and i want that when i use vi txt.txt i will edit it with vim
10:39<Smurfie>Yes, waht end result do you want?
10:40<homer>what's !wayttd???
10:40<Smurfie>Make it a global alias on your system.
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10:40<homer>I wan't to be able to sudo edit files on my system
10:40<homer>how is that done?
10:40<Smurfie>So that anytime anyone enters vi, it will run vim instead.
10:41<homer>Smurfie, how do i do that?
10:41<Nemoder>update-alternatives --config vi
10:41<wnd>(sudo) update-alternatives --config vi
10:42<Nemoder>erm yes as root
10:42<Smurfie>That should do it.
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10:43<homer>thanks I am reading about it right now
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10:43<homer>thank you very much all, especially you Smurfie,
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10:43<Smurfie>Just go with it and enjoy. ;-)
10:44<Smurfie>Debian rewlz!
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10:44<homer>yep i think i agree
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10:45<themill>if vim is invoked as vi it will behave differently though. You probably do want that alias in place.
10:46<Nemoder>how is it different?
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10:47<woden>Smurfie: I couldn't mount my thumb drive from the rescue prompt...I typed: mount /dev/sdb1 /foo and it said You must specify the filesystem or something.
10:47<themill>Nemoder: istr that invoked as vi, vim runs in vi emulation mode.
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10:48<Nemoder>I never noticed a difference
10:48<Smurfie>woden: that is a good sign. Now find out if it is fat32, or ext2, or whatever. Then specify that on the mount command line.
10:48<themill>Nemoder: But maybe that's an old thing... just tested it here and it seems to behave.
10:48<woden>Smurfie: Looks like it's FAT
10:49<woden>Smurfie: How do I know it's /dev/sdb1 though?
10:49<Smurfie>Someone else explained that, just do dmesg | tail shortly after inserting the thumb drive.
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10:50<woden>I did dmesg | tail and didn't really see anything, what was I looking for?
10:51<orbin>hi all. i did a clean install of etch and dist-upgraded into lenny and now i get prompted to remove some packages each time i try to install something: ...
10:51<orbin>i fear i would lose some functionality if i went ahead w/ removal.
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10:51<Smurfie>Something like: [1432806.168000] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
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10:51<Smurfie>The memory stick would then be /dev/sdb.
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10:52<debacle>hi all, i'm building a driver under debian lenny. When I type #make i got this output: "Linux kernel source not found in any of these locations: Install the appropriate kernel development package, e.g. kernel-devel, for building kernel modules and try again." Now what do i have to apt-get ? Linux-source or linux-headers ??
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10:53<amphi>debacle: headers may be enough; I'd try that first
10:54<debacle>amaphi: thanks !
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10:54<cyberagent>are there any debian kernel patches for the server?
10:54<azeem>cyberagent: "the server"?
10:55<cyberagent>i mean for a server
10:55<cyberagent>i.e network server
10:55<azeem>why should there be?
10:55<orbin>is my issue a sign of a broken upgrade?
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10:58<azeem>orbin: remove what?
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10:59<themill>!tell orbin about unmarkauto
10:59<azeem>orbin: it just mentions you can remove some cruft packages
10:59<cyberagent>azeem, well we have desktop patches, so why not server like patches?
10:59<azeem>you don't have to
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11:01<orbin>thanks themill. azeem: i guess i just saw that it apparently suggests removing things like gdm and file-roller and got concerned
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11:02<themill>orbin: the second pastebin you had was definitely going to remove things. Use unmarkauto to keep them. Or probably reinstall a gnome metapackage: /msg dpkg install gnome
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11:04<orbin>themill: thanks again, i'll try that now
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11:13<N4Buk0>preciso registrar [como vídeo tutoriais] alguns procedimentos, para tal, apreciso que a turma indique, segundo, seu ponto de vista a melhor ferramenta para tal feito... Obrigado
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11:14<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:17<adii>i've deleted the whole contents of my /var directory by mistake. any suggestion how to undo, or rebuild it ?
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11:18<witte>adii: :-),
11:19<witte>adii: that is not so smart, and not so straightforward to solve :-)
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11:20<adii>yea when I understood what I had done, I felt like a little kid who had just broken a mirror or smth
11:20<Smurfie>/var would not be high on the list of the partitions to backup regularly...
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11:21<themill>Smurfie: if you have mysql databases, it should be. Also keep your debconf database and your dpkg selections...
11:21<Smurfie>True, themill. mysql stores databases in /var.
11:22*themill got burnt by that one once
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11:23<adii>so what do I have to save
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11:23<witte>adii: depending on what you had in /var, the problem can be solved
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11:23<witte>adii: if you had /var/www/ full with a nice website, you need to take your backups
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11:23<adii>oh nop i didn't ;)
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11:24<debacle>I've mounted /tmp as noexec, nousuid. Is there a way to remount without rebooting ? i tryed "mount -o exec, suid /dev/sda8" but i got this error "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" ... what's my error ?
11:24<witte>adii: for /var/lib, try to google "dpkg datebase rebuild", there was a nice site about that (i found it a few days ago when someone else came here with the same problem), but i can't seem to find that site
11:24<zren>I have a problem with the sun-java6-jdk package, it doesn't contain javac anymore? can someone tell me why?
11:25<adii>same problem ? damn i really thought i was the only jerk to go and "rm -rvf /var"
11:25<adii>but thanks for the tips, i'll go and check that now
11:26<themill>zren: update-java-alternatives
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11:28<zren>themill, thanks a lot, thats it!
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11:28<themill>zren: :)
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11:37<woden>Smurfie: I tried to mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /foo but I got an error mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
11:38<woden>Smurfie: I checked dmesg and it shows the device as sdb1
11:39<Smurfie>check if it's mounted with the mount command.
11:39<Smurfie>It prolly isn't.
11:39<woden>No it wasn't I checked
11:39<Smurfie>Then run parted /dev/sdb1
11:39<Smurfie>Or maybe sudo parted /dev/sdb1.
11:40<woden>ok brb
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11:41<Smurfie>No need to log off to run parted on a USB stick...
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11:47<woden>Smurfie: There is no parted command. Also, mount revealed "procusb on /proc/bus/usb"--is that interesting?
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11:49<woden>So how do I mount sdb1 (it's a thumb drive) ?
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11:51<GeoffreyF67>I am getting this error: Package libssl0.9.8 is not configured yet. - when I try to do an apt-get upgrade. Anyone know how to configure this package so the error will go away? I already tried Google but couldn't find anything useful
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11:54<woden>Smurfie: Brb Going to try again
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11:56<GeoffreyF67>I am getting this error: Package libssl0.9.8 is not configured yet. - when I try to do an apt-get upgrade. Anyone know how to configure this package so the error will go away? I already tried Google but couldn't find anything useful
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12:01<woden>When I put in my USB stick, dmesg | tails shows the device as sdb1, but when I try "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /foo" I get this error "mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist". Does anyone know how I can mount my USB stick? Thanks.
12:01<zarchne>GeoffreyF67: What happens when you "apt-get -f install"?
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12:02<zarchne>woden: what does "ls -l /dev/sdb1" show?
12:03<woden>zarchne: I don't know, I have to reboot into the rescue CD and find out and then come back and report it.
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12:03<zarchne>woden: oh.
12:03<Smurfie>Use sudo parted /dev/sdb, or sudo parted /dev/sdb1, and then print free.
12:03<woden>zarchne: I guess I'll do that and be right back. Should I try anything else also?
12:04<Smurfie>Report anything under "Number".
12:04<woden>Smurfie: There is no 'parted' on my filesystem. I did "find / -name 'parted' -print" and nothing came up.
12:04<zarchne>woden: uh.... do you know what hotplugging package you're using?
12:04<Smurfie>oic, that must be a limitation of the rescue system.
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12:04<woden>zarchne: Nope, it's just the etch rescue cd.
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12:05<zarchne>woden: well, if /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist, try...
12:05<woden>I wonder if I could delete my ntfs partition, create another partition with ext3, and then just mount it and copy my files there....
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12:06<woden>zarchne: try...?
12:06<Smurfie>The files to be backed up are not on ntfs?
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12:06<woden>no the files to be backed up are on ext3
12:06<woden>on my debian partition
12:06<zarchne>woden: try "mknod /dev/sdb1 b 8 17"
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12:07<Smurfie>Oh, then that last idea might work for you.
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12:07<woden>ok i'll try and brb
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12:22<Kalith>question so noob
12:22<sebi>i found a bug in debian testing-kernel or md;
12:22<Kalith>"No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `modules'."
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12:22<sebi>regarding creating an raid6-array with one missing drive
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12:23<sebi>where to put the bug report?
12:24<sebi>i don|t know whose fault it is
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12:24<mohammad99>hi every one !!!
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12:25<mohammad99>the mandrika linux use rpm or deb ????
12:26<Mastroquet>mandriva : rpm
12:26<sebi>mandriva: rpm
12:26<sebi>Mastroquet: 2 seconds faster..
12:27<mohammad99>be cuz i will install mandriva linux in my pc
12:27<azeem>mohammad99: then ask them, not us
12:27<debacle>hi all, i cant load a kernel module. when i insmod it i get this error: insmod: can't read 'e1000': No such file or directory. Can anyone help me please ?
12:27<azeem>debacle: try modprobe instead
12:27<debacle>modprobe report no errors !
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12:28<sebi>debacle: insmod requires you to specify the full path to the kernel module.
12:29<debacle>azeem: but the readme says to modprobe first and insmod then !
12:29<azeem>debacle: which readme?
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12:29<sebi>debacle: modprobe actually does an "insmod" by itself, if it finds the module.
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12:30<debacle>this is an Intel Ethernet driver
12:30<azeem>debacle: how is this answering my question?
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12:31<debacle>azeem: the readme file included in the source driver package
12:31<azeem>debacle: pastebin the parts where it talks about modprobe/insmod
12:31<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
12:33<debacle>azeem: Load the module using either the insmod or modprobe command: modprobe e1000; insmod e1000
12:33<azeem>debacle: "either"
12:34<zarchne>"if modprobe can't figure it out or installs the wrong one, supply the exact path to insmod"
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12:35<debacle>ooopss !!! I'm sorry ! .-(
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12:36<debacle>i'll accept insults from everyone ! Sorry again ! :-)
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12:37<Smurfie>Nice nick, debacle. ;-)
12:38<debacle>Smurfie: thanks ! :-)
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12:40<debacle>one more question: building this driver required linux-headers gcc libc6-dev and so on ... now that the driver has been built. Can i remove them ? I'know i'm paraniod, but i do not like to have develp-tools on producion-machines.
12:40<sebi>debacle: yes, you can.
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12:41<sebi>with the next kernel, you probably have to build the driver again..
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12:42<debacle>sebi: yes, i know :-( I only hope Linus will include it as built-in in next kernels
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12:44<debacle>by the way, do you think it's possible to post a request somewhere ?
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12:45<fmalucard>hi guys... im having some problems with wine
12:45<zarchne>debacle: Put it in a bottle, toss in the ocean?
12:45<fmalucard>i get this error: wineprefixcreate failed while creating '/home/debian/.wine'.
12:45<fmalucard>that happens when i run winecfg
12:45<debacle>zarchne: mmm ... good idea !!! :-D
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12:46<zarchne>debacle: Less stress than trying to deal with the linux-kernel mailing list.
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12:47<debacle>zarchne: thanks !
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12:56<Bondi007>May I ask a question?
12:56<Mrkva>don't ask to ask :)
12:56<Bondi007>ok lol
12:57<Bondi007>I just installed debian but when I try and acess a file like www folder for apache I cant get in
12:57<Bondi007>do nto have permissions
12:57<Mrkva>Bondi007, you probably need to be root
12:57<Bondi007>thats what i need to know
12:58<Bondi007>i have tried
12:58<Bondi007>it wont le tme login from teh login screen
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12:58<fmalucard>im getting errors on winecfg... when i try to run it i get wine: wineprefixcreate failed while creating '/home/debian/.wine'.
12:58<Bondi007>it says I cant login from this screen
12:58<zarchne>Bondi007: log in as a regular user then su to root.
12:58<Bondi007>I have
12:59<Bondi007>typed su
12:59<Bondi007>then my pass
12:59<Bondi007>and then it goes like this #
12:59<Bondi007>but now now :S still no rights
12:59<debacle>sebi: can i also remove libmudflap0 and libmudflap0-dev without destroing entire system ?
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13:00<Bondi007>any ideas on getting to root?
13:00<zarchne>Bondi007: you're there, you just don't know how to use it.
13:00<Bondi007>coudl you help me
13:00<Bondi007>all I want to do is access a file that I have created lol
13:01<Bondi007>it is a source dedicated server file
13:01<Bondi007>in my home dir
13:01<zarchne>"source dedicated server file"?
13:01<Bondi007>its a game server
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13:01<sebi>debacle: i don't know libmudflap
13:01<Bondi007>I cant access the files lol and also I cant add stuff to the www folder
13:02<zarchne>Bondi007: exit from su and type "groups". What does that return?
13:02<Bondi007>ok 1 min
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13:03<Bondi007>says root
13:03<debacle>sebi: apt says "GCC mudflap shared support libraries" i'll leave as is and then i'll apt-get autoclean ... probably it's the best thing !
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13:04<zarchne>Bondi007: what does "ls -ld /dev/www" show?
13:04<Bondi007>lol im confused all I want to do is access hte files
13:04<zarchne>Bondi007: what does "ls -ld /var/www" show, I mean"
13:05<zarchne>Bondi007: read, or write?
13:05<Bondi007>is that id?
13:05<Bondi007>or ld
13:05<zarchne>(but lowercase)
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13:06<Bondi007>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-04-17 15:00 /var/www
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13:06<Bondi007>any ideas ?
13:07<zarchne>Bondi007: Then try this. su again, and while you have the # prompt, "chmod g+ws /var/www".
13:07<sebi>debacle: do so..
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13:08<Bondi007>i can view whats in the folder but I could do this bfore but I cannot write to it liek I want to :S
13:08<zarchne>Bondi007: are you sure you typed "groups" when you weren't su'd?
13:09<Bondi007>and with the server folder on my home folder I cannot go in that folder at all
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13:09<Bondi007>still wont let me :S
13:10<Bondi007>any ideas?
13:10<zarchne>Bondi007: Okay, so now if you ls -ld /var/www again it should show drwxrwsr-x, right?
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13:11<Bondi007>it does
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13:11<Bondi007>what now
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13:12<Bondi007>im only 14 and its confusing lol
13:12<zarchne>Bondi007: so can you create files in /var/www now?
13:12<Bondi007>1 mo
13:12<Bondi007>nope cant drag a file to it :(
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13:13<zarchne>Bondi007: open a new terminal and type "groups" again.
13:14<Bondi007>user dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev
13:14<zarchne>Okay, there we go.
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13:14<Bondi007>so what now?
13:14<zarchne>Bondi007: chgrp user /var/www
13:15<Bondi007>type that in terminal?
13:15<zarchne>Bondi007: su again, and type "chgrp user /var/www" That will give everyone in the "user" group the ability to write to /var/www.
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13:17<Bondi007>wow Ty what abotu my server file in my home dir
13:17<Bondi007>do i do the same but to a diff dir?
13:17<Bondi007>i cant even open this one
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13:18<zarchne>Bondi007: I'm still not sure what you mean by "server file in my home dir".
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13:19<Bondi007>ok in my home folder I have a file that has a game server on it
13:19<Bondi007>i cannot access the files in the game server folder
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13:19<zarchne>I don't know how a file can have a game server on it.
13:19<Bondi007>it is a folder
13:19<Bondi007>with files on it
13:20<zarchne>in it.
13:20<Bondi007>yes lol
13:20<Bondi007>and i want to access them but I cant
13:20<Bondi007>it says do not have permissions
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13:20<Bondi007>any ideas?
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13:21<zarchne>use ls -ld on that directory to see what the current permissions are.
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13:24<Bondi007>i dont know how to its a folder in the home folder called srcds_l how do i type it?
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13:25<Bondi007>any help
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13:26<Bondi007>any help please?
13:28<witte>Bondi007: how are you trying to access that file
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13:28<Bondi007>oh nvm got it one min ill pist the output
13:29<witte>Bondi007: and if you are following a howto, just link us to that page so we can see what you are planning to do
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13:29<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
13:29<Bondi007>drwxr-xr-x 5 user user 4096 2008-04-17 18:33
13:29<witte>Bondi007: don't paste here
13:29<Bondi007>thats for my game server folder
13:29<Bondi007>so what shall I do know?
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13:30<witte>Bondi007: what do you want to do?
13:30<Bondi007>access the files :S lol
13:30<witte>Bondi007: what do you mean with access?
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13:30<witte>Bondi007: just read the contents?
13:30<Bondi007>when i clcik on the file it says doesnt ahve permisiion
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13:30<Bondi007>yes read the contenets and chaneg the contenets
13:30<Bondi007>have full access if you will
13:30<Bondi007>but I cant
13:31<witte>Bondi007: which user are you now? "user"?
13:31<Bondi007>we have just sorted otu the var/www now we need to sort out this file :S lol i cant even view this one
13:31<Bondi007>yes the user is called user :P
13:31<witte>Bondi007: cd name-of-directory
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13:32<Bondi007>im in it in console
13:32<Bondi007>it says /home/user/srcds_l/cstrike#
13:32<Bondi007>but i want to view the files insite the cstrike folder
13:32<witte>ok, that should be ok, but you are root, not user...
13:32<witte>cat filename
13:32<Bondi007>i think so it has #
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13:33<witte>"ls -l" to see the files in the directory
13:33<Bondi007>but i cant access hte folder still :(
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13:33<Bondi007>is that LS -L?
13:33<witte>Bondi007: you are in the folder, what do you mean with access
13:33<witte>Bondi007: yes
13:33<Bondi007>liek view the dir
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13:34<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
13:34<Bondi007>edit files and such i cant see no files when i double click the folder it just says do not have permissions
13:34<witte>Bondi007: what do you get if you do ls -al in that directory (from command line
13:34<Bondi007>?? !grounding event not found
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13:35<witte>Bondi007: with grounding, i asked the irc bot dpkg to tell you about the basic help documents for linux
13:35<Bondi007>i see all teh files in teh folder lol
13:35<witte>Bondi007: ok, you can do "cat filename" to see the file
13:36<Bondi007>cat filename?
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13:36<witte>Bondi007: if it is a text file, that will show the contents, if it is a binary (compiled file or so), it will show gibberish
13:37<witte>Bondi007: yes cat filename, of course, replace filename with one of the filenames that were listed with ls -al
13:37<Bondi007>when put cat credits.txt it shows the txt file in teh console
13:37<witte>Bondi007: ok, so you can access teh file
13:37<witte>Bondi007: if you now do nano credits.txt you can edit it
13:37<Bondi007>but i wasnt to access it liek a noraml person
13:38<witte>Bondi007: yes, but we are now searching where you got lost at somethign so trivial as opening a file
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13:38<Bondi007>ok so now what
13:38<witte>Bondi007: can you do "ls -al credits.txt"
13:38<witte>Bondi007: and past it here
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13:39<Bondi007>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1273 2008-04-17 15:49 credits.txt
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13:39<Bondi007>it takes me a bit lol becasue debian is in a vmware
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13:40<Bondi007>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1273 2008-04-17 15:49 credits.txt
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13:40<Bondi007>what now?
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13:41<haxpak>hey bondi007
13:41<witte>Bondi007: ok, so the file is owned by root, but it should be readable by everyone
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13:42<witte>Bondi007: try to open that file with your graphical browser
13:42<haxpak>cud u plz tell me y my sys sometimes detects the usb phone modem (a nokia 6300) and sometimes not
13:42<Bondi007>nope i cant get into the cstrike folder where credits.txt is
13:42<haxpak>i m totally new to linux world
13:42<Bondi007>it has a little coss and a padlock on the folder
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13:43<Bondi007>so what now :(
13:43<witte>Bondi007: and try to find out if there is no installation guidance to the program/server that you try to install
13:43<Bondi007>they isnt
13:43<witte>Bondi007: it is all about permissions
13:43<Bondi007>t doesnt install
13:43<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
13:43<rjent>Is Flashplugin-nonfree gone from non-free?
13:43<witte>!adobe flash
13:43<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
13:44<Bondi007>al i want to do is overide the permissions so i can read them :s
13:44<Bondi007>please help
13:44<Bondi007>i tried loads of wikis and stuff
13:44<rjent>dpkg: thanks
13:44<dpkg>rjent: no problem
13:44<witte>Bondi007: read the stuff on permissions that dpkg gave you
13:44<Bondi007>but i dont understand them
13:44<Bondi007>thats why I come to the irc
13:45<Bondi007>any help?
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13:46<witte>!tell Bondi007 about permissions
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13:46<witte>!tell Bondi007 about grounding
13:46<witte>Bondi007: sorry, i have to go, read up on those things that were sent to you by dpkg
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13:47<witte>Bondi007: chmod -R 777 /home/user/srcds_l should do the trick but is not very wise
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13:47<witte>Bondi007: better would be chown -R user:user /home/user/srcds_*
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14:00<Gazzu>Hello! I have installed apache and it seems to work propertly, I can access to my website thru LAN, but I can't do it from the internet, how can i test the port 80 of my ip address_
14:01<Smurfie>Do yoiu use NAT and private IP addresses?
14:01<fmalucard>whats a good foobar2k replacement?
14:01<fmalucard>im using audacious but i dont like the winamp-like players
14:02<Gazzu>no. I use Dynamic IP
14:02<Smurfie>A millenion proof foobar? ;-)
14:02<Smurfie>Is your Web server directly connected to the internet, or through another machine, like a firewall or gateway?
14:03<Smurfie>What is the IP address of your Web server machine?
14:04<fxiny>fmalucard: no gui ? xmms2
14:05<fmalucard>isnt that just like audacious? a winamp-like gui
14:05<Gazzu>it is connected through a cablemodem with firewall builtin
14:06<fxiny>nope , xmms2 is a cli only player
14:06<fmalucard>apt-get install xmms2?
14:06<fxiny>there is a small gui
14:06<Smurfie>OK Gazzu, but what is its IP-adress?
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14:07<fxiny>fmalucard: running etch ?
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14:08<Smurfie>If I want to check out a Web server, the first thing I need is its IP address.
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14:09<fxiny>fmalucard: xmms2-plugin-flac xmms2-client-medialib-updater xmms2-plugin-icymetaintcd
14:09<fxiny>and so on
14:10<fxiny>very addictive stuff
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14:12<Gazzu>:Smurfie it is
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14:15<Smurfie>Cool, that IP-adress answers requests to port 80 (the http-port).
14:15<Smurfie>So what is wrong with it?
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14:17<fmalucard>ok so i installed xmms2
14:17<fxiny>right : xmms2d &
14:17<fmalucard>is this a terminal only media player? lol
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14:18<fxiny>then : xmms2 radd dir and last xmms2 play
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14:18<fmalucard>yea i figured that out
14:18<fmalucard>is there a gui out there for this?
14:18<Gazzu>:Smurfie , I guess there in not a problem, seem to work now
14:18<amphi>fmalucard: I find quodlibet a pleasant GUI player, FWIW
14:18<fxiny>or get amarok
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14:18<fxiny>qod is nice so is aqualung
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14:19<fxiny>a minimal xmms2 gui is gxmms2
14:19<fmalucard>im running xfce
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14:19<fmalucard>amarok is for kde?
14:20<homer>I can't seem to be able to connect to my work threw nx client
14:20<homer>can anyone tell please how to do this?
14:20<fmalucard>how much of a hastle is it to install sonata on debian/xfce
14:20<homer>I am using pptpconfig to create a vpn access to my work
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14:21<fmalucard>im on etch
14:21<homer>it works very simple under windows, I really want it to work on debian also
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14:24<Smurfie>What do your log files have tosay about it?
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14:25<homer>Smurfie, hey smurf how do you do?
14:25<homer>can you help me please
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14:26<Smurfie>I am fine homer, but do your log files show anything unusual?
14:26<amphi>fxiny: thanks, aqualung looks interesting; I had not heard of it
14:26<homer>i am not an expert yet :), can you guide me step by step?
14:26<homer>where are the log files for pptpconfig?
14:26<Smurfie>Anything like, say, permission denied or failed whatever?
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14:27<homer>for the nx client you mean?
14:27<Smurfie>I'd check /var/log first, with a egrep -l.
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14:27<Smurfie>Check for errors wherever you can, to find a clue.
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14:28<homer>I will give me a sec
14:28<fxiny>amphi: cahoot told me
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14:28*Smurfie gives out secs by the dozens ;-)
14:29<WASSUP>I have problemes with de vlc plugin for iceweasel
14:29<WASSUP>I want to see trailers in apple and I see a "no video" message
14:30<WASSUP>anyone know how to solve?
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14:30<sdj>hello everybody
14:31<michal>ebian too
14:31<Smurfie>If anyone knows, they will reply WASSUP.
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14:31<sdj>i need some help in configuring the web-based configuration of my hub, ou router
14:31<sdj>chealer, hi
14:31<Smurfie>What ias the exact problem, sdj.
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14:32<sdj>my webcam in amsn, i need to enable the ports to my webcam
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14:33<raph>I am french
14:33<cellofellow>I've a PCI Prism 2.5 wifi card. I'm using a cli-only setup (logged in with SSH over the Internet right now) and I need to get it to connect to a WPA network.
14:33<sdj>Smurfie, you can help me?
14:33<cellofellow>No gui, only command line. Doesn't need to be dynamic in any way, just a static setup.
14:34<Smurfie>sdj, I am unsure.
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14:34<Smurfie>What is your exact problem?
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14:35<Smurfie>It's advice to anyone with a problem. ;-)
14:35<sdj>i need to enter in the web-based configuration of my router to enable the ports to my webcam in the amsn
14:35<Smurfie>Ye ok sd
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14:35<cellofellow>My exact problem is that I don't know the procedure to set up this chip with a wpasupplicant and all of that.
14:35<Smurfie>j, but what exactly prevents you from doing that?
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14:36<cellofellow>It's labelled a Netgear MA311, its chipset is Prism 2.5.
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14:37<Smurfie>That is great information cellofellow, I hope someone steps in that can actually help you.
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14:37<cellofellow>ok :)
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14:37<Smurfie>I'm just the doorman, so to speak. ;-)
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14:38<cellofellow>I've googled but not found anything useful.
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14:38<Smurfie>That happens, unfortunately.
14:40<fmalucard>how can i change the color of the panels on xfce?
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14:42<cellofellow>ok, did some more googling and it looks like I need to figure out how to write an /etc/network/interfaces file and use hostap
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14:44<chealer>hi sdj
14:45<sdj>chealer, how i can enable the ports of the AMSN using the web-based configuration of the router?
14:45<sdj>to my webcam...
14:46<chealer>sdj: ask the channel
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14:46<cellofellow>I think someone shut off that computer I was working on. That's what sucks about SSH. :(
14:46<cellofellow>Logged in to a different computer on that network and can't ping it.
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14:47<Smurfie>How does that reflect badly on ssh?
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14:49<cellofellow>nothing, just remote logins in general really, sorry.
14:49<cellofellow>I love SSH. <3
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14:50<WASSUP>how I can solve a problem using vlc plugin to see mov files
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14:50<WASSUP>i receive a no video message
14:50<Smurfie>If the remote server is down, you can hardly expect sshd to grecefully log you in. ;-)
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14:53<cellofellow>now that computer seems up but port 22 is closed. :$
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14:54<Smurfie>Then log in to it any other way, and restart the ssh daemon.
14:54<cellofellow>never mind
14:54<cellofellow>it's down
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14:57<flash600>hi people! I've a problem with sasl...( warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory)
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15:01<Smurfie>flash600: do you have the sasl daemon running? ps -auxw | grep -i sasl
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15:02<Smurfie>It runs?
15:02<daem>trying to get sound working on my TX1420US; First time installer of linux: (really hoping for some help /me crosses fingers) running Etch, Kernel 2.6.18-6-k7, have tried quite a few things so far... Please advise me on how to further asist those willing to help me by letting me know what other pieces of info are needed?
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15:02*daem shakes his head at his lack of ability in asking properly... and growls...
15:02<flash600>i followed this howto:
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15:02<flash600>on a virtual-machine runs...
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15:03<daem>Realtek ID 862
15:03<daem>Generic 1057 ID 3055
15:03<daem>when I grep the codec in asound
15:04*Smurfie ducks unnececessarily, knowing it's over his head anyway ;-0
15:05<daem>set it up so I could grab backports but alsa-firmware-1.0.16 isn't listed, so grabbed source, now can't seem to configure source.
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15:07<cellofellow>well, I set up one of my computers to loop playing a message asking someone to turn that computer back on. Hope it works.
15:07<daem>I can't even tell if my question is going out there.
15:08<cellofellow>Isn't there a way to send a "turn on" signal to a computer through Ethernet?
15:09*daem is quickly going bald trying to run anything other then the original OS that shipped with this damned tablet.
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15:16<homer>Smurfie, hi sorry for the disconnection before i had a power failure
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15:16<homer>so we where at the point where you told me to check logs
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15:17<St0ry1d>!seen SparklingWiggles
15:17<dpkg>St0ry1d: i haven't seen 'sparklingwiggles'
15:18<homer>Smurfie, ....
15:18<St0ry1d>!seen tarp
15:18<dpkg>i haven't seen 'tarp', St0ry1d
15:18<janrocks>St0ry1d: I haven't seen tarp.
15:19<cellofellow>sent an etherwake packet, didn't start. Drat.
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15:22<homer>please help me. i have a vpn connection open to a remote network threw pptpconfig
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15:23<homer>yet i can't connect using nx cient to my inner comuputer running the nx server
15:23<homer>I must say that threw windows it was very easy to set up the connection and connect
15:24<homer>I really hope in debian it will also be available for me
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15:26<phillipsjk>Homer: can you "ping" the computer you are trying to connect to? What did the logs say?
15:27<homer>i can ping the remote vpn computer, but not the one inside the netword
15:27<homer>which logs should i check?
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15:28<homer>phillipsjk, ... did you see what i wrote?
15:28<phillipsjk>hmm. Sounds like you don't have a working VPN connection then. (The tunnel is supposed to simulate being on the same LAN)
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15:30<homer>but i do have according to what i see on pptpconfig
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15:30<homer>it shows a connection is available and running
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15:31<homer>phillipsjk, yes i know that this is what it's supposed to do, yet i do have a vpn connection working but cant reach my inner network computer
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15:32<homer>using the same configuration i used in windows where it worked
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15:32<phillipsjk>Can you connect to any machine in the netwark on the other end? (you said a windows connection worked) Ping replies can be disabled.
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15:32<homer>true ping can be disabled
15:32<zaikxtox>hello . i have a friend that uses debian etch on a computer without network. how can i download a package (noteedit) and all it's dependencies to bring him a cdrom with those apps only?
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15:33<tzafrir>apt-get install -d
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15:33<tzafrir>though it will only download things not already installed on your system
15:33<zaikxtox>tzafrir, but if i do that on my own system, will not need all the dependencies he really need
15:34<zaikxtox>that's what i was about to say
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15:34<zaikxtox>debian has forgotten the old no-internet users from the third world
15:35<tzafrir>I'm sure I'm missing a tool to do just that
15:35<zaikxtox>i was using on debain sarge somthing called apt-mirror
15:35<zaikxtox>but was another use
15:35<zaikxtox>the other way is doing a chroot
15:35<zaikxtox>and apt-get install -d
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15:35<tzafrir>but you can use apt-get and tweak its options a bit so it would look at a custom sources.list and not look at your system
15:35<zaikxtox>but is a really abusive way
15:35<homer>phillipsjk, i can't ping any computer i know the ip of
15:36<zaikxtox>ok tzafrir , i will take a look and investigate more...
15:36<zaikxtox>and when no result comes, i will ask again
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15:38<tzafrir>the "setup" does some strange and unnecessary things, so you may need to trim it a bit
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15:38<tzafrir>But after that you have a nice little wrapper to apt-get / aptitude and you can use apt-get install -d to download all the packages you need
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15:39<tzafrir>(And I'm sure someone has already done this in a nicer and more polished way)
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15:40<zaikxtox>apt-get -qq –print-uris install seems to help
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15:40<tzafrir>Now time for my own question: I have the following line in /etc/sudoers:
15:40<zaikxtox>i have found some howtoos
15:40<tzafrir>www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/share/rapid-scripts/sudo_helper
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15:40<tzafrir>But then:
15:41<tzafrir>www-data@debian:~$ sudo /usr/share/rapid-scripts/sudo_helper
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15:41<tzafrir>I have added that line with visudo, so I hope that the syntax is basically OK
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15:43<gusnan>How do i make dwww open a "man" page correctly? as it is now, "dwww ls" opens a page for "Package: coreutils", where ls is indeed listed (amongst others), while I want it to open the ls page directly.
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15:45<phillipsjk>homer try downlaoding the rdesktop package and connecting to the windows computer you said worked under windows.
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15:47<homer>the windows computer that worked under windows is the same computer in dual boot
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15:50<homer>phillipsjk, also how do i use rdesktop?
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16:00<gsf>how do i take over an unused registered nick on
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16:00<phillipsjk>homer: you are trying to connect to your own local machine via VPN?
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16:01<dondelelcaro>gsf: is a nick you've registered?
16:01<phillipsjk>as for how to use, rdesktop, I don't know. never used it.
16:01<dondelelcaro>gsf: if not, ask in #oftc, otherwise /msg nickserv help recover
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16:02<gsf>dondelelcaro: not one i've registered. i'll ask in #oftc. thanks
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16:06<homer>Smurfie, are you here?
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16:07<phillipsjk>Homer: I'm confused. I though there was a windows box on ther other side of the VPN connection you said you could connect to (under windows).
16:07<homer>"my terminal said Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: """
16:08<homer>oh no sorry I guess i wasn't clear enough
16:09<homer>phillipsjk, when i was logged on to my windows machine(it's in dual on the same machine) i could connect with vpn and threw it with the nx cilent to the network
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16:09<homer>no on debian I can't seem to make it work
16:09<homer>there is some kind of error i got in the terminal from which i run the pptpconfig
16:10<homer>Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: ""
16:10<homer>Gtk warning
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16:11<phillipsjk>did you try searching for that error in googfle?
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16:15<homer>yep, it only get mentioned with correlation to music software and the likes of that
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16:16<homer>don't desert me, i mearly have slow connection and i am searching while speaking to you
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16:17<phillipsjk>Hmoer was that an error or warnig? If its a warnig, you can probably ignore it. (may only be cosmetic)
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16:20<homer>so i egnore that
16:20<homer>what to do next?
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16:20<tzafrir>duh. The command I was trying to run through sudo turned out to be a non-executable script
16:20<tzafrir>chmod +x and the problem was solved
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16:23<phillipsjk>homer: well, I'm out of ideas. All I can suggest is start over from the begining. In windows check the connection properties and note settings. (I sould warn you I have never personally set up a VPN)
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16:24<homer>oh, well in windows it's very easy you simply create a new network connection and set it up as vpn to a specific address with specific user and password
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16:24<homer>this part is all done in debian by me using pptpconfig
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16:24<phillipsjk>You may need to chek what protocols are being used.
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16:24<homer>now the problem is that i can't seem to succeed in connecting to my inner network
16:24<homer>how come? what do you mean by that?
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16:25<phillipsjk>The VPN server could be blocking access untill you are proerly authenticated or sowething like that. (again, guessing)
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16:27<wndr>hi guys
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16:28<wndr>I have a very simple question: Why doesn't "tr /a-z/ /A-Z/ > output.txt" work?
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16:28<dondelelcaro>wndr: what do you expect that to do?
16:28<wndr>I think it should read from standard input and write to output.txt
16:28<wndr>but output.txt is always empty
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16:29<dondelelcaro>wndr: you want tr a-z A-Z
16:29<phillipsjk>I use "cat > file.txt" for that.
16:29<dondelelcaro>(and obviously you have to enter something before hitting c-d)
16:29<phillipsjk>then "^D" when done.
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16:30<wndr>oh i see now. I kept pressing ctrl+c when I'm done. obviously thats something i shouldn't do
16:30<wndr>ctrl+d works
16:30<wndr>thanks a lot guys
16:30<homer>thanks then
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16:31<phillipsjk>wndr: ^C cancels ;)
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16:34<minerale>how does motd.tail and motd work? I edited motd and it was restored.
16:34<minerale>is motd rebuilt every day?
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16:35<dondelelcaro>minerale: see /etc/rcS.d/
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16:41<minerale>dondelelcaro: thanks, I appreciate that
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16:57<cellofellow>for my Prism2.5 card, do I need hostapd or just hostap-utils?
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17:08<cellofellow>where can I find some documentation on /etc/network/interfaces?
17:09<HaMMiE>good nights
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17:12<RzR>!man interfaces
17:12<dpkg>Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway
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17:17<logisic>hi pips
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17:31<cellofellow>I'm finding lots of information on how to use a Prism2.5 card in an access point, but not as a client, with WPA. Anyone know how to do that?
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17:34<thaycs>is this linked to the #debian channel in freenode?
17:34<azeem>thaycs: what is "this"?
17:35<thaycs>this channel
17:35<azeem>thaycs: both chans provide Debian support, yes
17:35<thaycs>yeah but are they exactly the same?
17:35<noflash>thaycs, different networks
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17:35<Killing_Frost>Anyone know how to shut off the annoying "you have mail" notice in the console, or know which program it is to know where to start searching?
17:35<thaycs>like, is this appearing in the freenode channel right now?
17:35<thaycs>noflash: yeah I know
17:35<thaycs>oh ok
17:35<azeem>you're on oftc
17:35<thaycs>just because it has the same topic and everything
17:35<thaycs>yeah I know
17:35<thaycs>but they seem like a clones
17:35<thaycs>I'm no irc newbie
17:35<thaycs>but alright
17:36<azeem>I didn't realize it was the exact same topic, didn't use to be
17:36<thaycs>it is. same bot and everything
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17:36<thaycs>freaky. lol alright bye
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17:40<Killing_Frost>Anyone know how to shut off the "you have mail" notice in the console?
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17:42<RzR>Killing_Frost: man bash MAILCHECK
17:43<Killing_Frost>Thanks. for some reason I had the idea that it was some program called "biff" which isn't installed.
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17:49<RzR>Killing_Frost: xbiff is an other thing
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17:51<hisdudeness>hello all. I installed a faulty daemon in runlevels 2-5 and I want to stop the init process before it gets into runlevel 2 so I can rc-update remove it. I don't have a boot menu, machine just starts booting. Any pointers on how to interupt init before it starts to runlevel 2?
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17:55<witte>hisdudeness: can't you use a rescue or live cd?
17:56<dondelelcaro>hisdudeness: start with single or similar.
17:56<dondelelcaro>hisdudeness: or if it's totally broken, use init=/bin/bash (or similar)
17:57<hisdudeness>witte: unfortunately rescue doesn't work because hard drive is software raid and I can't get rescue to mount it.
17:58<hisdudeness>dondelelcaro: how can i pass these parameters at boot time?
17:59<chealer>hisdudeness: which boot loader do you use?
17:59<hisdudeness>chealer: lilo, no menu
17:59<dondelelcaro>hisdudeness: hit shift, and enter them after the kernel you're going to boot
18:00<chealer>hisdudeness: I don't know lilo, but there might be a way to prevent it from automatically booting
18:02<hisdudeness>dondelelcar: thank you. Got to boot prompt. Should be good from here. Thank you all very much.
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18:13<ffm>Is lenny safe for home se?
18:13<dondelelcaro>ffm: generally, yes
18:13<dondelelcaro>(but it can become unsafe at any point in time)
18:14<ffm>dondelelcaro, What's that mean?
18:14<ffm>dondelelcaro, By becomeing unsafe.
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18:15<azeem>ffm: it's not guaranteed to be safe, but is largly considered so
18:15<ffm>azeem, Would it be recoomended as an alternative to ubuntu for someone who wants to use the latest (not breaking often like ubuntu+1) software?
18:15<azeem>ffm: no idea
18:16<witte>ffm: you can try
18:16<Mrkva>ffm, i'm using sid... sometimes there are problem with missing dependencies, but they're usually fixed within day
18:16<marcreichelt>I notice some problems with IPv6 under Debian
18:16<azeem>ffm: if you NEED more uptodate software than Ubuntu stable, you're going to suffer somehow anyway
18:16<azeem>Mrkva: please don't advertise sid in here
18:17<marcreichelt>I have a freshly installed Debian 4 from netinstall
18:17<marcreichelt>then I installed Apache2
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18:17<Mrkva>azeem, i don't advertise it there :) it's just my reaction to: <ffm> Is lenny safe for home se? - if sid is fine, lenny must be fine too :)
18:17<ffm>That's unstable, right?
18:17<Mrkva>ffm, yes
18:17<marcreichelt>if I start the system, Apache2 is not listening to ipv6
18:17<azeem>Mrkva: it's an advertisement, so please drop it
18:18<marcreichelt>a call of "netstat -l -A inet6" shows no entries
18:18<Mrkva>OMG... what the hell?
18:18<Mrkva>azeem, do you know that sid is also debian? :D
18:18<azeem>Mrkva: if you want to contribute to this channel, please play along the rules
18:18<azeem>one of which is, unstable is not supported here
18:19<azeem>Mrkva: if you advertise sid, this just adds support overhead to the other regulars once you've moved on
18:19<marcreichelt>then, if I use "wget -6 http://[::1]/", there is something like "NET: Registered protocol family 10"
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18:19<marcreichelt>but the connection fails
18:20<marcreichelt>then, if I restart apache2 using "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart", it suddenly listens to IPv6
18:20<marcreichelt>"wget -6 http://[::1]/" then works, and "netstat -l -A inet6" too
18:20<Mrkva>azeem, sorry
18:20<marcreichelt>it seems that IPv6 is only activated manually
18:20<chealer>!tell marcreichelt about enter
18:21<Mrkva>azeem, my intention wasn't to advertise anything.
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18:21<azeem>Mrkva: I understand, but that wasn't the result
18:21<marcreichelt>chealer: thanks
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18:23<marcreichelt>Does somebody know anything about this problem? It seems that IPv6 is only activated manually if I start an IPv6 request...
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18:27<wnd>marcreichelt, so your problem has changed a bit. when is apache not listening to ipv6? after system reboot? you say restarting apache help. does it stop working if you restart it multiple times?
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18:28<marcreichelt>wnd: it does not come from the restart of apache2
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18:29<wnd>I'm not sure I'm following you. didn't you just say restarting makes ipv6 work?
18:29<wnd>s/restarting/restaring apache/
18:29<marcreichelt>yes, but wait
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18:29<david_>suck my cock faggots
18:30<azeem>david_: are you gay?
18:31<phillipsjk>david: you realize this is text-based communication, right?
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18:32<david_>im just trolling
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18:32<azeem>do you have a Debian question?
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18:32<david_>no ill be gone in a few seconds
18:32*phillipsjk points to #debian-offtopic
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18:35<marcreichelt>1. poweroff & poweron; 2. login as root; 3. "netstat -l -A inet6" shows Apache2 does not listen to IPv6; 4. Restart of Apache2 does not lead to any changes (IPv6 deactivated); 5. "wget -6 http://[::1]/" fails, but shows a message about "NET: Registered protocol version 10\nlo: Disabled Privacy Extensions\nIPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver"; 6. all other "wget -6 http://[::1]" fail, too - but show no additional messages; 7.
18:35<marcreichelt>Restart Apache2; 8. "netstat -l -A inet6" shows a service and "wget -6 http://[::1]" work!
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18:36<wnd>marcreichelt, force loading ipv6 module at system start up
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18:36<marcreichelt>ok, I try...
18:36<wnd>you can do this by adding line "ipv6" in /etc/modules
18:36<wnd>I suggested this when you first asked about this issue, but somehow you managed to convince me that it's not the issue here
18:37<wnd>seems that I can't really type what I'm thinking
18:38<marcreichelt>okay, it works now :)
18:39<marcreichelt>why is the ipv6 module not loaded automatically if Apache2 starts?
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18:39<marcreichelt>and if it should, is this a problem of Debian or Apache?
18:40<wnd>probably because you don't bind apache to an ipv6 address. instead, your configuration tells apache to listen to all available addresses, and ipv6 simply isn't available.
18:40<noflash>marcreichelt, if you're trying to use freenet6 in there anywhere...they've been having 'issues' for the last couple of days
18:40<wnd>usually ipv6 module would be loaded on demand but there is no demand
18:41<marcreichelt>noflash: I don't use freenet6
18:42<marcreichelt>I just want to try out IPv6 locally - for study and private research
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18:42<wnd>and as for the problem, it sounds like a feature and intended behaviour to me
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18:44<mike>Is a 'VFS Not Synching' error on a vanilla kernel (Debian GNU/Linux box) a valid topic for #Debian?
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18:46<mike>If anybody thinks can guide me, I have relevant info from lspci, /sys/devices, and pci_ids.h :-\
18:46<mike>*thinks they
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18:48<marcreichelt>wnd: as you say that now, it seems clear to me, too. But I tested many hours now, and it just did not become clear that a module was missing.
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18:48<witte>mike: do you have or an initrd or the file system embedded in the kernel?
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18:49<Jmd>I have a curious problem with CPUFreq. I'm running Debian Lenny, and have CPUFreq installed. Everytime I boot, as the boot output scrolls by, I see this error: So I'm not using the ondemand governor, and I'd like to be because this is on a laptop and I want to prolong battery life. Any help's appreciated.
18:49<witte>and with embedded i mean not as a module
18:50<mike>witte: I used `make oldconfig` so I think so. It's ext3 and CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y is on.
18:50<mike>witte: (in .config, that is)
18:50<wnd>marcreichelt, lesson learned so no time wasted :-)
18:51<marcreichelt>yes - thanks a lot
18:51<witte>mike: ok, i don't know that much about it that was about my only guess :-)
18:51<marcreichelt>so Debian is just as cool as ever ;)
18:51<mike>witte: And, no initrd in use. The other kernels haven't needed one.
18:51<mike>witte: Oh, heh, got it. Thanks.
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18:51<witte>mike: or it should be that your grub/lilo config is wrong, but probably that has remained the same as well
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18:52<mike>witte: I definitely considered that, because the vga=795 kernel argument seems to have been disregarded.
18:53<mike>witte: But I copied and pasted from a working example (several times, heh) and it didn't work. I also tried an initrd, which had different but also non-successful results.
18:53<witte>mike: you did run/update your bootloader after installing the kernel, right?
18:53<mike>witte: I've never had to, you mean updategrub or similar?
18:54<witte>mike: yes
18:54<witte>although if you use make-kpkg, and dpkg -i image.deb, this should be done already
18:54<mike>witte: I always just add 'n' go. The new kernel appears as a separate menu item, so I was pretty sure it was working.
18:54<witte>mike: i think
18:55<klando> claim that 2.6.24 as read-only bind mounts, but I can not get a ro mount ... any tips ?
18:55<mike>witte: Oh, I compiled this one from It's frustrating, because I've done this before with 2.6.21, 2.6.23, 2.6.24, and no problems.
18:55<mike>witte: 2.6.22 just hates me.
18:55<witte>mike: the new 2.6.25?
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18:55<mike>witte: Haven't tried that one yet :-d
18:56<mike>witte: I'm shooting for 2.6.22 to regression test something :-\
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18:57<witte>mike: i have no idea what the difference between those versions could be. Last time i built a kernel was 2.6.20 or so (but now everything I need is in the kernel, and my laptop works without any issues :P)
18:57<mike>witte: Heh heh, fair enough. True for me and 2.6.24 as well. Well, except for wireless and that naughty b43 card.
18:57<mike>witte: But that's another can o' worms.
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18:58<dpkg>b43 is, like, the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (, included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>.
18:59<witte>that should work as well in 2.6.24, if you have the firmware
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18:59<mike>witte: Heh, thanks. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll be sitting down to do that sometime soon.
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18:59<mike>witte: I've downloaded and compiled the fwcutter and just need to cut it and put it in /lib/firmware or similar I guess.
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19:00<witte>mike: it is a package in lenny and sid even
19:00<witte>but yes, that would do the trick
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19:01<mike>witte: Oh man, I tried apt-get install for it but it didn't come down. I can't (heh) remember which version of Debian I'm running, although it's probably 4.0r1.
19:02<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
19:02<mike>witte: No issue though, I have it running--just gotta d/l the driver and cut it.
19:02<mike>witte: Ah yes, Etch.
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19:08<k-man>swsuspend segfaults on resume for me - it used to work though. any ideas how to track down why its segfaulting?
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19:09<mike>k-man: Is swsuspend user-space? I didn't know that.
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19:15*ubuntu found a bug in hardy beta disk
19:15<dondelelcaro>ubuntu: #ubuntu on are the people who can be told about it
19:15<ubuntu>if you install konversation, it comes to #debian with the ubuntu nickname :D
19:15<azeem>ubuntu: please report it to #ubuntu+1 on freenode
19:15<azeem>ubuntu: wtf, STILL
19:16<azeem>ubuntu: as in, default channel is #debian?
19:16<ubuntu>funny thing i wanted to get here anyway
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19:17-!-ubuntu is now known as Ace2016_-
19:17<Ace2016_->How do i copy / partition? from and xfs partition to an ext3 partition? the new ext3 partition has been setup and ready to go
19:17<azeem>Ace2016_-: can you file a bug in their bug tracker please
19:17<Ace2016_->ok i'll go look
19:18<dondelelcaro>Ace2016_-: cp -ax will do it for you
19:18<Ace2016_->oh wait konversation is in universe is it a part of ubuntu?
19:18<themill>Didn't we used to have a +q ban on ubuntu usernames/idents in here?
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19:18<dondelelcaro>themill: there is a ban forward in the other #debian for knoppix, and possibly ubuntu
19:18<Ace2016_->why not forward them to #ubuntu? that would be the nicer thing to do
19:19<dondelelcaro>yeah, the problem is that there isn't an ubuntu here, so we don't
19:19<dondelelcaro>(well, a real #ubuntu)
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19:19<azeem>01:16 < ion_> Haha. Let's make the other clients do that as well. ;-)
19:19<azeem>great response so far from #ubuntu-devle
19:19<Ace2016_->wait wow, where am i?
19:19*Ace2016_- thought this was freenode ...
19:19<dondelelcaro>Ace2016_-: #debian on, which is OFTC.
19:20<dpkg>somebody said oftc was the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>
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19:21<themill>Are Ganneff and zobel op-ed up for a reason? (has it been a "fun" night?)
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19:22<azeem>themill: no
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19:22<Ace2016_->why does debian use oftc and not freenode? freenode sure seems more popular
19:24<witte>!oftc move
19:24<dpkg>hmm... oftc move is moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
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19:26<Ace2016_->so one person just chose oftc, just like that? or did everyone vote?
19:26<azeem>Ace2016_-: please keep it on topic
19:26<azeem>i.e. Debian support
19:27<phillipsjk>zme again points to #debian-offtopic
19:27<abrotman>zme laughs at phillipsjk
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19:28*phillipsjk is using a dvorak keybaord on this machine...
19:28<Ace2016_->ok will stay on topic
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19:29<Ace2016_->How about changing the topic with a message about the move on freenode?
19:29<abrotman>Ace2016_-: drop it already
19:29<azeem>Ace2016_-: it's been TWO YEARS
19:29<Ace2016_->that does seem a long time
19:30<azeem>Ace2016_-: what does "dpkg -l kubuntu-default-settings" say, please?
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19:31<Ace2016_->its ubuntu live cd with konversation installed
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19:31<azeem>Ace2016_-: can you please answer my question?
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19:32<Ace2016_->No packages found matching ... (don't know how to copy stuff from xterm)
19:32<azeem>Ace2016_-: so you manually installed konversation?
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19:33*Ace2016_- didn't know what gnome uses
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19:33<azeem>did you file a bug yet
19:33<azeem>Ace2016_-: xchat
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19:33<azeem>if you do, mention this, please
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19:34<Ace2016_->the way i installed it?
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19:34<azeem>cause if you install/boot kubuntu, kubuntu-default-settings apparently sets the default chan to something kubuntu-specific
19:35<azeem>Ace2016_-: if you try to install kubuntu-default-settings, how many other packages are getting installed?
19:36<themill>I would have hoped that somewhere in the 1.9MB ubuntu patch to konversation, they would have changed the default channel...
19:36<Ace2016_->none other are getting installed
19:36<azeem>Ace2016_-: thanks
19:36<azeem>Ace2016_-: I'm going to file a bug, if you don't mind
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19:39<panagos>how can i change the font used by yakuake?
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19:41<Ace2016_->ok well i just recovered my launchpad password, but you can do it since i'm trying to copy my partitions
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19:44<azeem>bug filed
19:45<Ace2016_->link please
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19:47<Ace2016_->i really don't think most people are going to bother installing konversation on a ubuntu livecd
19:48<azeem>did I imply that?
19:48<Ace2016_->well no
19:48<themill>azeem: nice one ;)
19:49<Ace2016_->what does the Triaged status mean?
19:49<fucker>how to use compiz man?
19:50<azeem>Ace2016_-: please ask in #launchpad on freenode
19:50<Ace2016_->fucker: ave you installed it?
19:50-!-Mrkva [~Mrkva@] has quit []
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19:50<Ace2016_->and is that nick allowed on here?
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19:51<fucker>i 've installed it
19:52<azeem>fucker: read /usr/share/doc/compiz/README.Debian
19:52<DeepDayze>lol nice nick
19:52<DeepDayze>anytime, fucker :)
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19:52<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:52<DeepDayze>get a strange feeling when someone has that nick
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19:53<fucker>it's cool man
19:53<DeepDayze>i am sure other would offense though
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19:54<Ace2016_->best way i've found to install compiz-fusion in debian:
19:55<DeepDayze>i seen stranger nicks
19:55<Ace2016_->it just feels strange using it, thats all
19:55<DeepDayze>compiz-fusion can be a pain to setup, but that repo is worthwhile
19:56<DeepDayze>even though the packages are based on debian sid, its very well done
19:57<Ace2016_->its not working
19:57<Ace2016_->cp -ax old_root/ new_root/
19:57<Ace2016_->it makes a folder called old_root in new root instead of copying the contents of the old root folder
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19:58<Ace2016_->how do i use cp -ax without the mount points messing up? i want to copy /mounts/old_root to /mounts/new_root/ but its copying to /mounts/new_root/old_root/
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19:59<fucker>what command that used in compiz?
20:00<Ace2016_-> cp -ax ../old_root/* . seems to work
20:00<Ace2016_->how do i preserve permissions?
20:00<fucker>i mean how to rotate compiz
20:00<Ace2016_->or you set custom key bindings in ccsm
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20:06<tin>so, since upgrading to lenny, my console text doesn't display properly
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20:09<prolix>hello debian-esque folks
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20:11<prolix>i'm having some problems installing the driver for my rtl8187. i've followed the directions @ and i've pasted relevant, or what i think and was told was relevant, information @ if anyone has any idea as to why this install isn't working for me and would like to share that information with me, i would be appreciative. thank you for your time in advance
20:13<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>
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20:14<witte>prolix: mmm, seems that you did what dpkg said :-/
20:15<prolix>witte: i tried to, but i don't know if i'm missing something or if there's some kind of idiot repellant infused in the instructions which effected the user, a.k.a, me.
20:16<witte>prolix: do you have a switch to turn on the wireless
20:16<prolix>witte: yes, i do and it's on
20:18<abrotman>prolix: what did #wireless say ?
20:19<prolix>abrotman: hey abrotman! your ubiquity is impressive. they haven't had time to respond to my post as of yet, so i'm still waiting for a reply.
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20:21<witte>prolix: can you show your dmesg output in a pastebin
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20:22<prolix>witte: yes i most certainly can. one moment please.
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20:25<witte>prolix: mmm, i was looking for a device name that would be initialized when the modules were inserted. Like eth1 or wlan0 or something alike
20:27<witte>prolix: can you try to simply enable wlan0? ifconfig wlan0 up
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20:27<prolix>witte: i'll give that a shot. one moment, please.
20:28<prolix>freedom:/home/user/rtl-wifi# ifconfig wlan0up
20:28<prolix>wlan0up: error fetching interface information: Device not found
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20:28<witte>prolix: mind the space ;-)
20:28<prolix>witte: pardon
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20:31<_ZeuZ_>what would happen if I execute a viral file through wine?
20:32<witte>_ZeuZ_: I doubt it would work as most files that i try with wine fail :P
20:32<hazard2>wine would grab its virtual heart and fall over?
20:32<hazard2>and then get up since most of the core windows files don't actually exsist.
20:32<witte>prolix: did that result to something?
20:33<aniky>someone can say me, how install the amsn?
20:33<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
20:33<prolix>witte: no, unfortunately it didn't. Device not found would be the summation of the error message
20:33<witte>oops, wrong one
20:33<witte>aniky: just aptitude install amsn
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20:35<witte>prolix: did you check the drivers forum?
20:36<_ZeuZ_>hazard2: Good guess, gonna hit it then...
20:36<prolix>witte: no, i didn't. would that happen to be a channel on this network?
20:36<_ZeuZ_>either way, this is the scan summary:
20:36<_ZeuZ_>only one engine recogned as something that might led to problems so...
20:36<servidor>hi. im experiencing some problems with sata devices on loading, since i updated the kernel to Im on Debian Testing (Lenny)
20:37<servidor>is this happens to someone else? what can be the problem?
20:38<prolix>witte: i'll go read that forum now. thank you for your time and input. one step closer to a solution and one step further from debian illiteracy.
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20:39<witte>prolix: you are welcome, if the card should work (there seem to be some that are not well supported), it will be just a matter of doing the right things in the right order to get them working
20:39<witte>prolix: should be fairly trivial, but until you know which route to follow, those things are rarely trivial :P
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20:40<aniky>aptitude install amsn?
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20:41<witte>servidor: I can load my sata drives, so probably it could be a kernel module issue? Did you check the bug tracking system?
20:41<witte>aniky: yes
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20:44<aniky>what is that?
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20:44<aniky>some manual to read?
20:45<lanceallott>aniky: what is amsn...I mean what is its purpose
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20:46<lanceallott>aniky: never mind ...dpkg -p told me
20:46<aniky>is a alternative to msn
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20:48<lanceallott>aniky: yea, some kind of messenger thingy I never used
20:50<tin>pidgin :)
20:51<lanceallott>tin: exactly...pidgin=aim
20:51<aniky>dpkg -p where?
20:51<aniky>i have the zipped file of amsn unzipped
20:52<lanceallott>aniky: you don't need to install from's in deb repository
20:53<lanceallott>surley not .zip but .tar.gz
20:53<witte>aniky: you need to type "aptitude install amsn" in a terminal, and it will get the latest version and install it for you
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20:54<witte>aniky: alternatively, you can open the package manager (synaptic) and install amsn with that
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20:54<tin>apt-get moo
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20:55<lanceallott>try this apt-get -s install amsn
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20:56<tin>how do you add an account to the sudoers group in lenny?
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20:56<lanceallott>it will show you what it would do without doing anything
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20:56<witte>lanceallott: that will just simulate the installation, he/she is not doing anything special... and aptitude is the prefered solution nowadays
20:56<witte>tin: %group
20:56<witte>tin: ah, sorry you want to add a user to the group, not a group to the sudoers file
20:57<lanceallott>witte: free means choice!...I chose apt-get
20:57<witte>tin: in that case just addgroup or edit the /etc/group file
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20:58<witte>lanceallott: i also use apt-get, but people in this channel always tell me that for newbies it is better to start with aptitude
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20:59<lanceallott>witte: baah, humbug...your pc ..your choice
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21:00<lanceallott>sorta like grub vs; lilo choice is lilo
21:00<tin>i switched to grub from lilo after it lilo didn't work with a system of mine, wouldn't recognize the swap for some reason, switched to grub, swap found...
21:00<lanceallott>no fancy pants developer gonna tell me what to run
21:01<tin>for adding and removing programs, apt-get works fine
21:01<tin>and with lenny, aptitude always seems to have a laundry list of commands for me to run
21:01<lanceallott>but i do appreicate the contribution oss
21:02<lanceallott>to oss
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21:02<witte>lanceallott: you do whatever you want, i really don't care
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21:02<tin>you should care
21:02<tin>he's wrong, argue into the depths of the night
21:03<dpkg>somebody said flamewar was that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python
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21:03<tin>vi... emacs.. i stay out of it all, nano
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21:03<tin>nano or bust
21:04<lanceallott>witte: i dont care that you dont care
21:04<tin>i care that neither of you care :(
21:04<witte>lanceallott: :-)
21:04<tin>i want to eat my popcorn!
21:04<tin>now i'm gonna have to put it away and let it get stale
21:04<tin>but it smells so yumm
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21:06<lanceallott>witte: :-:
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21:07<lanceallott>witte: sorry wrong key...:-)
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21:08<witte>lanceallott: I was looking on wikipedia smileys to find what that one was :-D.
21:09<lanceallott>witte: lol
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21:12<lanceallott>witte: i think i was trying to do :-), ya know, the wink thing, like everything is co0l, we still buds
21:14<witte>yeah, no problem, but i wanted to know for sure, since it could be that you had taken my remark more seriously than it was intended
21:16<lanceallott>witte: not at alll, in fact I often use apptitude to discover what I got installed, It's status...and what is available!!
21:17<lanceallott>but when it comes time to install, I would rather use apt-get, for sentimental reasons I guess
21:18<witte>I agree, it just seems easier to type
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21:24<panagos>is there a debian way to manage /etc/init.d scripts (e.g. whether a service will automatically start at boot etc)? i want to be able to disable an /etc/init.d script without interfering with apt, but without having to uninstall the relevant package, too
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21:24<witte>panagos: update-rc.d
21:24<witte>panagos: mmm, or something like that
21:24<panagos>witte: thanks! :)
21:25<witte>ah, it was correct, made a typo on my pc so i could not find it :P
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21:36<panagos>witte: and is there a way to list currently running sys-v services? (so i can avoid running ps -A|grep ... or pgrep ...)
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21:41<cwood>Why would you want to avoid running ps?
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21:42<nevyn>panagos: most things support status (it may even be reuired by policy)
21:42<panagos>cwood: it is boring :P
21:43<nevyn>panagos: there's also my personal pet project that provides a capability to do this.
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21:43<nevyn>which is puppet ;)
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21:45<nevyn>panagos: if you install puppet and then get the ralsh script
21:45<nevyn>you can say
21:45<nevyn>ralsh services and it'll tell you what services are running
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21:56<panagos>nevyn: and where do i get the ralsh script?
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22:00<nevyn>panagos: umm..
22:00<nevyn>in a fit of uselessness the debian package includes the manpage but not the script.
22:01<panagos>unbelievable :|
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22:05<nevyn>panagos: will grab it from trac
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22:13<javo>hi. i'm having some loops that extend the load time of my system. Im using debian testing. It seems im experiencing problems with my ATA drivers.
22:14<javo>I searched at syslog and this is what i found:
22:14<panagos>does anyone know about tork? do i need to run it as root? will it run tor under the user debian-tor?
22:14<javo>Drive reports diagnostics failure. This may indicate a drive fault or invalid emulation. Contact drive vendor for information.
22:14<dondelelcaro>nevyn: file a bug! ;-)
22:14<javo>on ata4 device (my asus dvd-rw)
22:15<javo>it started happening since i updated the kernel into 2.6.24
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22:16<nevyn>dondelelcaro: sigh effort.
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22:17<debboy>hi. how do i change the "name" in the From: when using mail. eg i want an email to come from "Debboy Web" <> (instead of "www-data" <>) and i'd like to just use the 'mail' program on command line
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22:17<lanceallott>javo: are you using a 40 or 80 wire ribbion cable to connect?
22:18<javo>lanceallott: it is a sata cable
22:18<javo>my hard disc and dvd-rw are sata
22:19<lanceallott>sorry I misunderstood, thought you said ata
22:19<javo>yes, because when load it assigns the dvd-rw as ata4 :S
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22:20<javo>Apr 17 21:11:41 morena kernel: ata4.00: 640 sectors, multi 1: LBA
22:20<javo>Apr 17 21:11:41 morena kernel: ata4.00: Drive reports diagnostics failure. This may indicate a drive
22:20<javo>Apr 17 21:11:41 morena kernel: ata4.00: fault or invalid emulation. Contact drive vendor for information.
22:21<javo>maybe is a missconfiguration when uploading the kernel? before that i had not this problem
22:21<dondelelcaro>nevyn: takes less than a few minutes to do so...
22:21<dondelelcaro>(you'll spend longer responding to my harassment than firing up reportbug and reporting a bug would take)
22:21<nevyn>dondelelcaro: reportbug is sitting at checking for new version.
22:21<javo>lanceallott: i found this line: Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
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22:22<nevyn>I wish debian had a webui for bugs sometime.
22:22<dondelelcaro>we do
22:22<dondelelcaro>(though you can't submit bugs using it)
22:22<nevyn>for initial reports?
22:22<dondelelcaro>well, I lie; we do, and it's called
22:22<lanceallott>javo: but it will still boot the OS from the HD?
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22:23<javo>yes, it works. but sometimes (1 of 10 starts) i have problems with my hd too and have to force a restart
22:24<javo>another line i found: sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
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22:25<javo>i dont know what bus_type is
22:25<lanceallott>javo: when you get into the OS and look at /var/log/dmesg...does it show detecting or anything about the cdrom drive
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22:26<javo>it loops trying to mount the device.. like 6 or 7 times, and then goes on
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22:29<lanceallott>javo: i know this will sound stupid, but do you have another sata drive to install and see what will happen?
22:29<javo>lanceallott: look for ata4
22:30<javo>look for ata4 lines
22:30<cwood>Or take the cable and see how it works in another machine, or take that cable and see how it works in the first machine. perform hardware substitution.
22:30<javo>no, i have only my hd and dvd-rw
22:31<cwood>Haven't been following the discussion, but if you swap their cables (so they are still in the same slots on the motherboard and all, just different cables), does that provide other interesting effects?
22:31<cwood>The question is, is the problem your drive, your cable, the port on your motherboard, etc.
22:31<javo>i dont want to switch anything
22:31<lanceallott>javo: looking at dmsg...brb
22:31<javo>i think is the drive
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22:31<javo>look near line 460
22:32<javo>this didnt happened with the previous kernel version
22:32<javo>so i think this is a drivers problem
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22:34<javo>if you look on line 438 you will see a legend that tells me something about drivers needs updating
22:35<javo>maybe i have to wait some upgrade of divers
22:36<nevyn>dondelelcaro: done now leave me alone.
22:37<javo>i just put a CD and it works. The problem for me is just that loop in boot start, that takes lot of time for nothing
22:37<javo>i can wait to see for some drivers update
22:38<lanceallott>javo: is you drive MFG'd by Asus?
22:39<javo>i dont know, i never changed the drivers, it is the driver who comes with the system
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22:39<javo>i dont know what MFG means
22:40<lanceallott>javo: well according to your /dmesg, you have Asus-DRW-1814BLT installed
22:40<lanceallott>mfg = manufacture
22:40<javo>lanceallott: yes i have :D
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22:41<javo>but the driver comes with debian
22:42<javo>it was recognized at the moment of installation, and allways was the same
22:42<lanceallott>javo: the drive is being detected...but take a look at line #404 and #410
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22:43<javo>yes i see... problems
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22:44<lanceallott>javo: line #435 shows that the disk is detected but line #438 sez their is a driver problem
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22:45<javo>that line #438 worries to me
22:45<javo>it looks that i should update a driver named 'sd'
22:46<lanceallott>javo: sd = scsi disk
22:46<lanceallott>its a emulation thing
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22:47<lanceallott>probable will need a kernel mod to solve problem
22:47<DeepDayze>its perhaps the kernel is talking to the sd driver in a different way and that's what triggers the message
22:47<javo>lanceallot: Yes i think. Is it needed to be reported in somewhere?
22:48<javo>because there are more people with SATA devices
22:49<lanceallott>javo: would go to auss web site and see if they have fix
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22:50<javo>it happens sometimes with my hard disk, 1 of 10 times i start my computer, and my hd is a Western Digital
22:51<lanceallott>javo: how big is you Power Supply?
22:52<javo>is a 500W one
22:52<javo>lanceallott: do you think this is a problem wirh powerage ?
22:53<lanceallott>sounds like, but would like to have hands on to be sure
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22:53<lanceallott>do a little voltmeter thing
22:54<javo>lanceallot: i understand. Im plugged trough an old Voltage Stabilizator (sorry im not english-native)
22:54<javo>maybe i should skip it
22:55<javo>ill try with that on my next system start
22:56<lanceallott>javo: no, not at all, keep at'll figure it out...and then you can do a little dance in your living room floor, when you get it right
22:56<javo>thanks a lot lanceallot for your help and time
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23:39<vl4dy>hola, quisiera hacer una pregunta, es respecto al uso de base de datos en ubuntu, no se si exiata algun programa similar a sql server para manejar base de datos ya sea postgrees o mysql
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23:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:39<Supaplex>vl4dy: /topic
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