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00:32<nataraj>anybody in?
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00:33<nataraj>want to have some help on ARM debian installation
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00:44<nataraj>hi swo
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01:03<amed>i'm in damn small linux inside ubuntu harfy heron
01:03<amed>i'm in damn small linux inside ubuntu hardy heron
01:03<gdiffey>bully for you.
01:03<gdiffey>still ot for this channel.
01:05<amed>i like a knoppix
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01:06<cwood>!not debian
01:06<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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01:12<nataraj>hi , i need help on debian for AT91SAM 9263
01:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:13<nataraj>does debian for ARM install on Atmel 9263 board?
01:14<nataraj>in the ARM CD, there is a kernel for "NetWinder"
01:14<nataraj>is Netwinder an architecture like ARM?
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01:15<cwood>Hm. Try it and see?
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01:16<nataraj>i am using a Arngstrom linux on my AT91SAM9263
01:17<nataraj>just downloaded and used the angstrom TCL script
01:17<nataraj>donno much of internals
01:17<nataraj>the system used Uboot
01:17<cwood>Out of my league, sorry. Only done i386.
01:18<nataraj>one kernel image, one root file system image with x11
01:18<nataraj>these were written onto flash using a tool called Sam-Ba
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01:46<Slydder>morning all
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02:04<rrm>hey guys... i ran into an issue... my volume will go to mute after every reboot
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02:06<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware>
02:06<dpkg>alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
02:06<Gekz>how useless
02:11<rrm>but i did not install alsa, since gnome configured it all
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02:38<jlj>One of my java applications gives the error "you need to give Java permission to start a new process", could anyone tell me how to do that?
02:39<nick01>hi, i just installed debian with the mail server option- did it install something for imap/pop too or i=ll have to install that ?
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02:44<nick01>uw-imapd i suppose...
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02:50<sep>nick01, dont use uw-imap, use dovecot, or courier, or cyrus
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02:50<jm_>nick01: find out what's in the relevant task
02:51<nick01>sep, whats wrong with uw-imapd ?
02:51<nick01>its already installed
02:53<nick01>and my keyboard refuses to work correctly for some reason/ romanian keyboard- worked fine in any other distro, weird specially since i configured it in the installer and xorg.conf looks ok, the log too >&
02:54<jm_>check X logfile
02:55<nick01>jm_, i did- no errors or anything- says it did what it was supposed to setting the keyboard but in practice i cant even use caps, let alone romanian chars
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02:56<jm_>nick01: grep xkb /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:56<nick01>jm_, nothing found
02:57<jm_>nick01: uhm surely it has to find something if you have configured it in xorg.conf
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02:57<nick01>jm_, nope i checked the file too now/ not there
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03:00<rose>how empty today
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03:01<^>yah only 325
03:01<nick01>shouldn't that uw-imapd have a starting script in /etc/init.d ?
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03:03<jm_>nick01: then you didn't configure it properly, also run xkbprint
03:03<jm_>nick01: not necessarily
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03:05<nick01>jm_, then how do i get imapd to run ? add it in a script ? what do i do with xkbprint _
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03:06<jm_>nick01: it probably gets started from inetd
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03:07<nick01>jm_, yup thats it tks
03:08<nick01>jm_, any idea what to do with the keyboard - what do i do with xkbprint _
03:08<jm_>nick01: hold on
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03:13<jm_>nick01: xkbprint -o :0
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03:18<nick01>jm_, ok- done that what was it supposed to do ?
03:19<jm_>nick01: ok, rm ; xkbprint :0 -o- | gv -
03:19<nick01>jm_, gv command not found- was that an image viewer or something ?
03:20<jm_>nick01: no, ps viewer - install it
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03:22<nick01>jm_, ok- installed and started - i got a blank page
03:22<nick01>Unknown flag "-o-" on command line
03:22<jm_>nick01: sorry it's -o -
03:23<nick01>jm_, ok now i got a keyboard image
03:23<nick01>says layout: unknown
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03:24<jm_>try selecting one manually then
03:25<nick01>jm_, but its already set in xorg.conf :S
03:25<nick01>Option "XkbLayout" "ro"
03:26<nick01>and wonder why there was no mention of xkb in the log
03:26<jm_>nick01: why is this not mentioned in xorg logfile then? did you try grep -i xkb /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? is it in correct layout?
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03:28<nick01>jm_, yeah it actually mentions setting the layout to ro pc105 and the variant to winkeys i saw that earlier judt didnt take any notice of the ) Generic Keyboard: XkbLayout: "ro" i guess
03:28<nick01>so it should work...
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03:30<nick01>jm_, could gnome be the problem then ? but it is configured the same
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03:31<^>if some of you speak romanian pls comme to #debian-ro
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03:33<jm_>nick01: yes, it's most likely gnome is messing with it - try starting plain old Debian session instead
03:34<nick01>jm_, twm _
03:34<jm_>nick01: doesn't really matter - do you use gdm?
03:34<nick01>jm_, yes
03:34<jm_>nick01: do you see any options for which session to use in its menus?
03:35<nick01>yeah i think twm too but i dont think much else is installed except gnome and that
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03:38<jm_>twm will do fine yeah
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03:54<Keplernet>alguien habla español
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03:55<Keplernet>hablais español
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03:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:56<nick01>jm_, fixed - it wasnt gnome- the winkeys line I moved wonkeys with tab and left a " a few spaces before the text :) silly :| tks for helping
03:56<jm_>nick01: I don't understand this description ;)
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03:57<nick01>jm_, Option "XkbVariant" "winkeys"
03:57<nick01> it was " winkeys" before (I was ordering the text with the tab key and moved the winkeys text after the ")
03:58<nick01>with Option "XkbVariant" "winkeys" works perfectly
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03:58<nick01>I had to add that XkbVariant line myself doesnt work without it
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04:00<nick01>tks again- now lets see if I can get that imapd to start
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04:03<nick01>jm_, now exim runs, I rebooted and inetd still doesnt seem to start imapd :(
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04:05<jm_>nick01: what does 'dpkg-reconfigure uw-imapd' say?
04:06<nick01>jm_, oh so that was the trick tks :) btw is there a debian cli services manager or something ?
04:07<jm_>nick01: yes
04:08<nick01>jm_, and whats its name ? :)
04:08<jm_>nick01: man invoke-rc.d update-rc.d
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04:09<babbage>#join #xorg
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04:12<nick01>jm_, tks, any tool to list the services that are already enabled ?
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04:13<jm_>nick01: yeah
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04:13<nick01>jm_, sysvconfig ?
04:13<babbage>Does anybody know what the newest nVidia card is that works with the free driver?
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04:14<jm_>nick01: sysv-rc-conf
04:14<jm_>babbage: nope
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04:19<rohan>i read somewhere that debian uses upstart now - atleast in testing. is that true?
04:19<jm_>it's not even available in unstable, let alone testing
04:19<jm_>so no, it's not true
04:20<nick01>jm_, tks
04:20<jm_>upstart will probably be ready somewhere in 2010 :)
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04:22<rohan>ah ok, my bad :)
04:23<rohan>jm_: hehe why do you say that? few distributions (apart from ubuntu) are already using it
04:24<jm_>rohan: there's long list of todo items
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04:25<jm_>rohan: no doubt basic things work already - but I meant to manage all the things it was supposed to replace
04:25<rohan>ah ok
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04:35<clebig>I have some troubles of dependences with my last lenny update
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04:37<clebig>did anyone have the same problems on the last update this week end?
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04:44<gsimmons>babbage: As at xf86-video-nv-2.1.8, the GeForce 8800 GT/GTS (G92). There's a few caveats regarding the XVideo and RENDER extensions.
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05:06<nick01>exim can only send mail to linux system users with /home and all ?
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05:08<nick01>I found a guide to store the users in a sql database- any way to do it without sql ?
05:09<the-dude>nick01: search for exim and virtual accounts
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05:11<Gathond>store userdate in sql withough an sql database .. that seems kinda counter to one another
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05:12<petemc>exim can use passwd files
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05:12<nick01>Gathond, I meant store the damn users without the use of a sql database :)
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05:12<nick01>and without system users or redirects too
05:13<petemc>you mean aliases?
05:13<petemc>exim can use arbitrary passwd files
05:14<nick01>petemc, and a way to automate adding users, preferably with a web interface too ? found vexim that says it can do that but it uses sql for storage
05:15<petemc>i use a perl script
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05:28<jm_>nick01: some free control panels can manage postfix or qmail, not sure about exim
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05:33<bcochofel>Can anybody tell me if xmoand will be on lenny?
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05:34<the-dude>jm_: which free control panels?
05:35<nick01>the-dude, plenty of them I just have to find one that doesnt need sql
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05:37<_change>hi all, I have problem with wifi connection, and a linux user, told me I need wpa_supplicant, because our wifi use wpa2. how can I set it up?
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05:37<EmleyMoor>What's a good way to test a hard disk? I can do what I like to it as there's nothing on it
05:37<the-dude>nick01: nice thx :)
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05:38<salvin>are there in debian tools for ext4?
05:38<EmleyMoor>(I in fact have a small pile to test)
05:39<EmleyMoor>salvin: Don't know of any but can't swear to it
05:39<gsimmons>!tell _change -about wpa
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05:41<EmleyMoor>No suggestions on a good hard disk test?
05:42<petemc>smartmon, if the drives support it
05:42<jm_>!free whcp
05:42<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
05:42<_change>gsimmons: thx
05:42<jm_>the-dude: ^^^^^^^^^^^
05:42<petemc>bonnie seems to be the defacto filesystem test, if that helps
05:43<jm_>EmleyMoor: man badblocks
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05:46<EmleyMoor>jm_: That looks like just what I want
05:46<EmleyMoor>I have five disks to test
05:47<EmleyMoor>(and can only do them while the laptop has enough power as I have to use the same power point)
05:47<jm_>also enable smartd while doing the tests
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05:47<EmleyMoor>jm_: Not sure how much effect that will have
05:48<jm_>EmleyMoor: it will monitor SMART attributes
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06:12<EmleyMoor>Well, one of these disks has proven faulty
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07:07<keith>ETCH 4.0 AMD64. Is there anything in Linux that can open .eml files?
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07:11<Gathond>keith: as in outlook mail files?
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07:12<keith>Yes. Well it probably is from a MS computer.
07:13*EmleyMoor hates it when people insist on using LookOut!
07:13<Gathond>evolution perhaps
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07:15<christmas>kmail is broken on lenny?
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07:17<TBBle>Is there a Debian/mips channel, or anyone here succesfully gotten Etch working on a Cobalt RAQ2? The serial console seems to die when the kernel starts, no matter what I do, and once the kernel's running we seem to get traffic out but not in (ie. it keeps rearping an IP it's had an arp reply for, on the installed Etch)
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07:21<keith>Nah! evolution does not work.
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07:23<TBBle>Isn't an .eml file just an RFC822 email message? Try it in a text editor?
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07:25<keith>emacs won't open it. Well it does but not in something that can be read.
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07:27<chealer_>christmas: ask #debian-kde
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07:28<TBBle>What does file thing it is?
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07:29<EmleyMoor>Have you not used file?
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07:30<TBBle>apt-get install file; file filename.eml
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07:32<keith>Yep it is an RFC822. Is that mean it can be opened?
07:32<snask>where can i find a good howto on how to install ati catalyst + drivers in debian?
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07:33<TBBle>That means it should be readable in a text editor, yeah.
07:33<TBBle>Try head
07:33<TBBle>Beh. Sarge nfsroot boots without problem on the Raq2, debian-installer appears. So it's Etch's kernel
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07:36<keith>Is head a text editor?
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07:36<EmleyMoor>keith: No - but if it's plain text, head will make sense of it
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07:37<TBBle>Nope, it just shows you the first n lines (40 is default I think, or you can supply -n xx to show xx lines) of the file.
07:37<TBBle>Hmm. I wonder if this is a RaQ, not a RaQ2... That would explain it, RaQ's known not to boot with Etch's kernel.
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07:38<lolo>I m french and newbie to make groups and user for the debian please
07:38<gsimmons>TBBle: If it's a RaQ2, it should be stated as such on the front and back of the unit.
07:39<lolo>useradd 6g Group -G othergroup
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07:40<TBBle>In that case, it's a RaQ. >_< I wonder why I thought it was a RaQ2. Oh well, Lenny nfsroot's booting, and there's nothing on there I can't blow away with a Lenny install, that I know of or care about. (It's been under my desk for at least six months waiting for me to diagnose it)
07:40<TBBle>gsimmons: Thanks. It was just me being an idiot in the end. ^_^
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07:42<TBBle>lolo: If you're more comfortable in French, #debian-fr exists. Otherwise, on Debian you probably want to use adduser, not useradd. Check the manpage of adduser for details.
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07:42<lolo>useradd -g formation -G administratif -c "Nom Utilisateur1" utilisateur1
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07:45<lolo>unknown group formation
07:46<azeem>try adduser
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07:48<TBBle>Now that I know this is a RaQ, all the symptoms and things make sense. Yay! Seems there was a new build of the Etch kernel that might work.
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07:49<TBBle>Drat. Lenny's kernel is known not working, but unstable's might be. This should be fun.
07:50<Administrator>i need some help in installing debian-builder
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07:50<Administrator>i am quite new at linux
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07:51<Administrator>its the debian unstable version
07:51<EmleyMoor>Administrator: Are you running sid?
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07:52<EmleyMoor>Have you actually installed the package?
07:52<Administrator>i tried to install it with apptitue
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07:52<EmleyMoor>aptitude, I hope you mean
07:52<EmleyMoor>... and?
07:53<Administrator>well there are certain dependencies like devscript that are not been installed
07:53<EmleyMoor>Does it tell you why they are not being installed?
07:53<jm_>in that case you are not ready to use unstable
07:53<Administrator>they have the tag "unavailable" and "unsatisfactory"
07:53<EmleyMoor>That's called a breakage. sid gets a lot of the,
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07:54<Administrator>is there any other way to rebuild a package other then debian-builder
07:54<EmleyMoor>What do you want to rebuild and why?
07:56<Administrator>there is there is a bug that suppose to be appear when you rebuild bnfc package from source code
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07:57<Administrator>its an assignment of sort for my MS(CS)
07:57<Administrator>so PLEASE any help would be appriciated
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07:58<jm_>there is no such bug for bnfc in Debian
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08:00<curtis>tj, are you there?
08:00<curtis>are you tj?
08:00<curtis>from georga?
08:01<Administrator>it might have been fixed, but that beside the point
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08:02<Administrator>i have the version that contains the bug
08:02<Administrator>and want to fixed it
08:03<Administrator>#460386 - bnfc: FTBFS: lexical error in string/character literal ...
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08:04<jm_>that bug has been fixed already
08:04<Administrator>i know; i download the unfixed version of that package so that i can fix it as assignment
08:05<jm_>so go fix it
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08:05<TBBle>You'd prolly be better off in Etch, since that actually has the bug... Oh well.
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08:22<TBBle>Hooray! Booted my RaQ, serial console and network working fine, using the kernel tbm mentioned on a mailing list, and now updating to the fixed Etch kernel, 2.6.18-1dfsg.etch3. ^_^ I can finally return this machine to... Well, I dunno. But yay.
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09:11<ivucica>hi all
09:11<ivucica>a question :)
09:12<ivucica>when I go installing a package, "Reading database..." lasts awfully long
09:12<ivucica>i believe that is because stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/ has grown to enormous proportions, and tar.gz'ed, it takes 16mb
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09:12<ivucica>e.g., in /var/lib/dpkg/info i still have tons of files from packages uninstalled long time ago
09:12<jm_>ivucica: possibly yes
09:13<jm_>purge them, but it won't help very much
09:13<ivucica>anyone have any suggestion on how to optimize the monster? :)
09:13<jm_>yeah rewrite dpkg ;)
09:13<ivucica>jm_: purge them? using apt-get remove --purge ?
09:13<ivucica>lol :D
09:13<dpkg>purge is probably to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
09:14<ivucica>well thing is, other machines where people were not screwing around as much as i was with my laptop, don't have the database loading for so long
09:14<ivucica>ah thanks jm_ :D
09:14<ivucica>thing is, i dont really want to remove all configurations
09:14<jm_>yeah you also probably have a slow disk in laptop
09:14<ivucica>i'm pretty content with keeping most /etc/* files
09:14<jm_>then you should not do that
09:14<ivucica>jm_, thing is, it wasn't so slow when i first installed debian :)
09:15<ivucica>im sure i screwed up a lot of performance by letting ext3 get fragmented
09:15<ivucica>but it should still not last THAT long
09:15<jm_>ivucica: yes, just copying it to a different disk, mkfs-ing and putting it back will help a lot
09:15<ivucica>it pauses on that step for like minute or half
09:15<ivucica>hehe jm_, i did it already few months ago :)
09:15<ivucica>iirc, it didn't help much with dpkg performance
09:15<jm_>try stracing it (with -c switch)
09:16<ivucica>what? :D
09:16<ivucica>strace what?
09:16<jm_>ivucica: maybe you also have hardware problems - are you running smartd?
09:16<ivucica>hm, i dont think i do
09:16<ivucica>ah, sec
09:17<jm_>90s is rather extreme
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09:17<ivucica>i'm not sure it's exactly 90s but i approximate it around that
09:17<ivucica>and machine gets pretty unusable
09:18<ivucica>i presume fragmentation goes in the way a lot
09:18<ivucica>but if the .../lib/dpkg is 16mb tar.gz'ed, it wouldn't surprise me if reading enormous amounts of data is a more pressing reason
09:18<ivucica>i guess i'll end up writing a proggie that'll purge all not installed programs from .../lib/dpkg :)
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09:19<jm_>how long does tar take then?
09:20<jm_>I wouldn't do that
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09:20<ivucica>jm_ hm, i didnt try
09:20<ivucica>i mean i didnt measure
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09:21<ivucica>suffice to say that ls just lagged for about 10sec? :)
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09:23<ivucica>im measuring time required to perform just a TAR
09:24<ivucica>oh god it still ain't done
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09:25<jm_>how many files are there?
09:25<bcochofel>Hi, can I recover a print page that hasn't been printed? I've send that to cups but my printer doesn't print so I need to recover the job and save it to pdf
09:26<pinto3>it might be in /var/spool or around there
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09:30<bcochofel>pinto3: could it be a file like c0004 ?
09:30<bcochofel>can I recover this file or open it like it was a ps?
09:30<pinto3>probably, i've never printed anything in linux :), it'd probably place it there under some random name for the printer driver
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09:31<pinto3>if it's a pdf file, just check it with file, not sure if it'd be formatted in some strange way or not
09:31<bcochofel>pinto3: it's a PDP-11 UNIX/RT ldp
09:32<pinto3>probably be ok then, .ps sounds like postscript
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09:32<bcochofel>pinto3: .ps was the name I gave
09:33<bcochofel>How can I open a PDP-11 UNIX/RT ldp file on debian?
09:34<bcochofel>Or at least convert it to ps|pdf ?
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09:41<bcochofel>vortex: lll? is this for me?
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09:50<ivucica>jm_: "time" printed out this: 0.37user 4.51system 2:13.62elapsed 3%CPU
09:50<bcochofel>Can I recover a completed job on CUPS?
09:50<ivucica>if i'm right that means it took 2 minutes 13 seconds
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09:51<ivucica>jm_: uncompressed it's 76mb
09:52<ivucica>jm_: i punched in "ls -al | wc -l" in /var/lib/dpkg/info
09:53<ivucica>results are fearsome and perhaps devastating
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09:53<ivucica>af i didnt notice jm_ left :S
09:53<ivucica>so, does someone else mind helping me optimize the "Reading database..." step of DPKG? :)
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09:54<ivucica>obviously 76mb sized /var/lib/dpkg is not helpful, and neither is 12000+ files in /var/lib/dpkg/info :D
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10:04<tempest>somebody help me/
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10:05<uwe>hello tempest
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10:11<pinto3>what's the problem tempest?
10:11<pinto3>oh you're not here
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10:13<mysupper>hello guys
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10:16<boscaiolo>Does someone here happen to know where dpkg-reconfigure console-data gets its list of keyboard options from?
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10:17<boscaiolo>It is not built from the directory in /usr/share/keymaps apparently as adding one doesn't cause it to appear as a n option
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10:25<ivucica>i hate physics :(
10:26<boscaiolo>so take up poetry instead
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10:41<boscaiolo>anyone know how to stop things like "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): ath0: link is not ready" cluttering up the console window?
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10:42<boscaiolo>(never mind why it keeps going up and down)
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10:45<amphi>boscaiolo: dmesg -n1
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10:46<ivucica>boscaiolo no,poetry sucks even more :(
10:47<zaddo>hi guys tiz ma first time in da lab
10:47<boscaiolo>ivucica: so what physics got to you today?
10:47<boscaiolo>(not an apple on the head?)
10:47<boscaiolo>amphi: ok...
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10:48<zaddo>jst nightmares
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10:48<usuario>hola hi!
10:50<boscaiolo>amphi: but how to make it permanent for the wifi at least?
10:50<EmleyMoor>Is there a good init script I could copy to make one for scanbuttond?
10:50<zaddo>it sucks here budy cud s'body help me!!
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10:50<usuario>I am spanish,and you?
10:51<EmleyMoor>zaddo: What's the problem?
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10:52<zaddo>emiley i just have prblm lyk yours, gimme your co-ordinates.
10:53<EmleyMoor>zaddo: Please state your problem in plain English.
10:53<azeem>zaddo: do you have a Debian question?
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10:55<zaddo>i need a init script like the one you covet.
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10:55<EmleyMoor>usuario: So really I need to work out the ins and outs myself?
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10:56<azeem>zaddo: covet?
10:56<zaddo>sure, you sounded desperate for it
10:57<usuario>you speak spanish,françAIS ?................MYSELF?
10:57<dpkg>fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:57<azeem>usuario: do you have a Debian question?
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10:58<usuario>YES.IN ENGLISH.NO!!!...............................GOODBYE!!!.......THANKS YOU.
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10:59<shellclear>i can boot on windows XP with Grub 1.96???
11:00<shellclear>I could initiate windows with grub 1.96?
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11:01<EmleyMoor>shellclear: Yes, there is a way
11:01<shellclear>EmleyMoor, hel-me!!
11:01<EmleyMoor>shellclear: What exactly is the problem?
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11:02<EmleyMoor>I haven't got access to a machine with grub and Windows on that I can see the relevant files on at the moment
11:03<shellclear>EmleyMoor, my entrance of windows does not appear during boot
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11:03<azeem>shellclear: which version of Debian?
11:03<EmleyMoor>shellclear: I haven't got access to a machine I can extract the magic from at present...
11:03<zaddo>emileynoor: my machine has, i have dealt with it before.
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11:04<EmleyMoor>zaddo: Well, if shellclear doesn't get successful help from someone else, you do it
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11:06<shellclear>how I add an entrance for windows in grub.cfg?
11:07<azeem>shellclear: did you read the Grub manual?
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11:07<shellclear>I did not find manual for grub 2
11:07<azeem>eh, why do you use grub 2?
11:08<zaddo>shell; login as root and install grub!!
11:08<shellclear>to know.
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11:08<azeem>shellclear: ask the people in #grub on freenode then, maybe
11:09<shellclear>grub is installed, I wants to know eats to add an entrance for windows in grub.cfg
11:10<azeem>shellclear: it's automatic with grub 1
11:10<azeem>no idea about grub 2
11:10<boscaiolo>it's not alway automatic in my experience
11:10<zaddo>shell if grub is properly installed you should be able to boot any OS after POST.
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11:12<shellclear>this is my grub.cfg
11:12<boscaiolo>but there should be an examle stanza in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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11:13<shellclear>this is my grub.cfg
11:13<boscaiolo>ah -- just looked maybe that file is not created
11:13<azeem>shellclear: you said that already
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11:32<mysupper>hello guys, is there anyone using tc?
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11:33<ivucica>boscaiolo regarding physics
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11:33<ivucica>"Collisions; Statics; Dynamics of Rigid Bodies; Gravity; Noninertial Systems"
11:34<ivucica>i h8 it :)
11:34<mysupper>or can someone suggest me traffic shaper kernel module substituting tc in 2.4 kernel?
11:34<ivucica>only half an hour before the exam and i dont know <spread>sheet
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11:47<ivucica>bye everyone
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11:51<EmleyMoor>Is there a program I can use in a shell script to send mail to a fixed address with a file attached?
11:51<amphi>EmleyMoor: nail perhaps
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11:54<babbage>What is the simplest way to cross-build for x86 on an x86_64 box?
11:55<Pryon>install the x86 version of the OS in virtualbox
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11:55<Pryon>(only partly joking)
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11:55<babbage>Pryon, I would do, but Xen dom0 does not currently seem to work on AMD64 (at least in lenny),
11:56<Pryon>You could use virtualbox (not just a virtual box, but the software called virtualbox)
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11:59<EmleyMoor>How do I write an init.d script for a simple daemon (scanbuttond)?
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12:02<Pryon>man update-rc.d also check out /etc/init.d/skeleton
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12:20<Ante>I was wondering if anyone here knew which CD should I download to get wine
12:21<weasel>do you have debian installed already?
12:21<Ante>yep, though I don't have an internet connection with that machine so I have to DL the CD somewhere else
12:21<Ante>so no apt-get
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12:22<Ante>and, would that CD have all that I need? I did a little digging, got a hold of wine as a *.deb file but it had dependency issues
12:22<Ante>downloaded that dependency but that also had dependency isues <_<
12:24<j00bar>dondelelcaro: i'm here whenever you're ready to do that changeover.
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12:25<EmleyMoor>I have installed scanbuttond and written scripts for it to do what I want but I get this: scanimage: sane_start: Out of memory
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12:32<EmleyMoor>pnmtojpeg is getting EOF/read error reading a row of pixels
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12:42<Ante>not to push, but is there anyone that can help me with my Q up there ^^^
12:42<fxiny>about wine ?
12:43<EmleyMoor>My scanner is failing to be reliable - conking out part way through actual scanning
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12:43<fxiny>i came just before your "and, would that CD have all that I need?" line
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12:44<Ante>I was wondering if anyone here knew which CD should I download to get wine
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12:46<fxiny>dunno , is that etch ? why don't you just get wine and libwine ?
12:47<Ante>the machine debian is installed at doesn't have internet connection
12:47<fxiny>right : is it running etch ?
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12:48<Ante>yep, the latest release
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12:49<fxiny>so : grab libwine 0.9.25-2.1 and wine 0.9.25-2.1 debs , then dpkg -i libwine*.deb first then dpkg wine*.deb should do it
12:50<EmleyMoor>What would make a scanner only scan little bits and then conk out?
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12:54<Ante>just to clarify (not that much of a geek here)
12:54<Ante> from the i386 link at the bottom.
12:54<Ante>then this, also link at the bottom.
12:54<Ante>what/how am I supposed to do the two commands?
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12:55<robi>van magyar?
12:55<Ante>did you get my last messages?
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12:57<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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13:00<EmleyMoor>I have an Epson Perfection 2400 (GT-9300) scanner that I have had sitting dormant for some time - on reconnecting and trying to use it, it previews OK but conks out on scans proper. Why?
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13:01<fxiny>Ante: manually downlod both by clicking on the i386 link at the bottom and manally install on your box . first install libwine #dpkg -i libwine0.9.25-2.1.deb then wine
13:01<octagon>anyone who knows a solution to the recent exim4 startup problems ?
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13:02<Ante>@fxiny thanks
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13:02<fxiny>Ante: if you get configurations warnings this is the fix #dpkg --configure -a
13:02<Ante>@Emley, most probably it's the scanner itself. have you tried it on another machine?
13:02<Ante>right *takes notes*
13:03<EmleyMoor>Ante: Not had a chance just yet
13:03*EmleyMoor suspected it was possible, though!
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13:11<puffandstuff>i have something wrong with somme applications, in fact somme of theme doent use the default gtk theme and i dont know why
13:11<puffandstuff>please take a look at
13:12<puffandstuff>i dont know why OOo looks like this, can any one help me please (Lenny i386)
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13:18<klimy>i have problems deleting a file. it has some weird encoding and i get filname?????? if i use rm -rf filename or rm -rf parent_direcotory_of_filename i get an error that the file does not exisist
13:18<Ante>thanks again fxiny
13:19<klimy>is there something stronger than rm -rf ?
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13:19<Gathond>klimy: no, but that is not your problem, rather typing the filename correctly is
13:19<Gathond>adding options to rm will not change that
13:19<klimy>Gathond: i dont know. the parent directory stuff does not work either, so i am not typing anything
13:20<Gathond>you might be able to use tab to complete it
13:20<Gathond>that or use wildcards
13:20<less>newfs ;-)
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13:20<klimy>Gathond: i used already *
13:22<klimy>does not work
13:22<fxiny>machorm ? hahahah
13:22<klimy>tab autocomplete plus quotes does not work.
13:22<klimy>kann i somehow kill the inode or reset it so the memory is free
13:22<fxiny>how does a machorm looks like ?
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13:24<Gathond>fxiny: first of it requires your computer to be the size of ENIAC
13:25<klimy>ok i solved it ;) i forgot that this is just a smb mount. so i ssh to that server and killed it there.
13:25<fxiny>eniac ?
13:26<klimy>is this my crappy configuration or should this be considered a bug?
13:26<fxiny>Gathond: hahahaha
13:26<puffandstuff>Any of you have an explanation to my problem please :"(
13:27<puffandstuff>As is said previously, some of my applications use a bad theme
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13:27<puffandstuff>i meant a theme wich is different from the defaut used theme
13:27<fxiny>was that Betty Jean the mother of the very first dried bug ?
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13:27<puffandstuff>i'm using Lenny (running gnome only)
13:28<puffandstuff>the resultis shown here :
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13:28<klimy>puffandstuff: do you installed everything from scratch, perhaps you have some config in your home directory
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13:28<puffandstuff>klimy, no
13:29<klimy>did you change the theme?
13:29<puffandstuff>klimy, well, i've insatlled Lenny using Net install disk, then i've installed gnome
13:29<puffandstuff>klimy, no, i didnt
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13:30<puffandstuff>klimy, i remember that i had the same behaviour with older versions of gnome (firefox had the same look as OOo no)
13:30<klimy>puffandstuff: did you mount an old home dir
13:30<Gathond>puffandstuff: you are sure those programs are made for gnome? i.e. GTK and not QT
13:30<fxiny>anyone managed to run opensolaris live on qemu ?
13:31<puffandstuff>klimy, no i installed Lenny on a fresh system
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13:31<puffandstuff>Gathond, OOo uses gtk
13:31<Gathond>you can perfectly well run QT (KDE) apps in gnome, but they will use the QT theme, not the gnome one
13:31<Gathond>puffandstuff: perhaps, I cant see that in your screenshot
13:31<klimy>puffandstuff: sorry then i cannot help you. it was just a guess.
13:31<puffandstuff>klimy, thanks
13:32<puffandstuff>Gathond, what would you like to see ?
13:32<fxiny>rigth : link deletd
13:33<Gathond>puffandstuff: nothing really, it was just a suggestion
13:33<puffandstuff>Ganneff, thanks to all
13:33<Gathond>which to my knowledge fit your screenshot
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13:33<pca1>anyone knows why with the xorg just arrived in lenny, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does no longer query video card, thus it configures only the keyboard?
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13:36<EmleyMoor>Is /etc/hotplug/usb.distmap part of a package?
13:37<amphi>apt-file would tell you
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13:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the scanner works (at least, it works better) on my laptop
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13:49<EmleyMoor>Still conking out on my desktop
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13:53<EmleyMoor>Bizarre that it runs differently on two different etch machines
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Anything else I should check? Is a USB device clash a possible cause?
13:56*fxiny sends EmleyMoor the Digital Dr. Frankenstein manual
13:57<fxiny>EmleyMoor: :)
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13:57<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I am puzzled by this to say the least!
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14:06<EmleyMoor>Even as sole USB device it's no good
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14:12<dpkg>methinks register is '/msg nickserv help'
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14:14<Ollie>Hey guys!
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14:15<Ollie>Does anyone talk?
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14:16<weasel>you didn't say anything useful yet
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14:23<Ollie>Just burning ISO image for etch and about to install. Anything I should check first? (I have read installation guide)
14:24<weasel>good luck.
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14:24<Ollie>weasel: Thanks :P
14:24<Ollie>Are you in Debian now?
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14:25<OdyX>I think 95% of the people here is under Debian...
14:25<Ollie>Lol, sorry :S
14:25<Ollie>Will let you know a bit later if I was successful :P
14:26<OdyX>with standard hardware, it'll be :p
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14:29<EmleyMoor>sane is driving me mad
14:29<EmleyMoor>I can use my scanner quite happily on my laptop, but on my desktop, it freezes. Both run etch
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14:45<bighornram>is it a unsafe to whitelist iana addresses in moblock? Most hotels won't give me an address unless I turn off moblock.
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14:48<Ollie>Sorry it is a bit off-topic, but how do I create an exit message?
14:48<weasel>smog: turn that off.
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14:51<enelya>guten abend zusammen
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14:52<guillaume_>hello, how many time can take a transiion between two versions of a package underrr sid ? eg: libffi4 -> libffi5
14:53<Ollie>Does etch use Gnome or KDE?
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14:54<guillaume_>Ollie: gnome by default but ou can use kde too
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14:55<Ollie>guillaume_:How do I use KDE?
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14:55<Mrkva>Ollie, aptitude install kde
14:56<Ollie>Mrkva: Thanks! Will do that as soon as Debian installs :P
14:56<guillaume>Ollie: you can us aptitude search de to find kde packages
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14:57<guillaume>kde and not de :)
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14:57<Ollie>Thanks, guillame and Mrkva :)
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15:00<guillaume>libiff4 has broken dependencies under sid and I need it for compiz-fuion git and gedit, is there an efficient way to bypass dependencies
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15:02<OneBlooD>anybody in here who coudl help
15:02<guillaume>OneBlooD: just ask
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15:06<homer>my xsane doesn't recognize my printer scanner
15:06<user1>how i can change refresh rate on monitor if i can't start "gtf"?
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15:07<homer>I won't to scan files but xsane doesn't recoginze it
15:07<homer>what do i do to make it work???
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15:07<homer>it's connected to my computer with usb
15:08<erKURITA>user1 modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:08<homer>how do i find the device?
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15:08<erKURITA>homer lsusb
15:09<keratacon>Can anyone walk me through getting OpenGL working for an intel 855 integrated GPU under Lenny?
15:09<erKURITA>no problem
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15:09<erKURITA>keratacon OpenGL ? as in for Acceleration ?
15:09<homer>erKURITA, now what do i do to make it work?
15:10<curtis>are there 2 chat channels for debian?
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15:10<erKURITA>homer you may be required to install its drivers, or compile a module for it. There are websites that offer drivers for that.
15:10<erKURITA>curtis #debian-offtopic, maybe?
15:11<craigevil> # debian on and here
15:11<keratacon>yes, erKURITA
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15:11<curtis>craigevil, how do i join the second one?
15:11<keratacon>for google earth and screensavers and whatnot
15:11<erKURITA>doesn't the intel driver does that already?
15:11<erKURITA>The one that comes with Xorg
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15:12<craigevil> curtis : /server then /j #debian
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15:12<marc-ac>ALGUIEN ESPAÑOL ?
15:12<keratacon>I can't seem to get things to not run in software rendering.
15:12<erKURITA>marc-ac #debian-es
15:13<erKURITA>keratacon install mesa-utils package, once done execute: glxinfo | head -n5
15:13<marc-ac>TNKS erKURITA
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15:14<erKURITA>you should get a line: direct rendering: Yes
15:14<keratacon>direct rendering: No
15:15<curtis>what is the channel for mac?
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15:16<keratacon>Yeah, the various howtos and forum posts i turned up all had simple solutions that haven't worked.
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15:17<keratacon>the card *has* worked with other distros, though honestly i forget which. haven't ever tried windows.
15:18<erKURITA>open up xorg.conf
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15:18<erKURITA>and go to Section "Device"
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15:19<erKURITA>what's the driver there, vesa ?
15:19<saleh>hello everyone, i'm looking for a tutorial on raw aocket programming, didn't found anything, anything useful???
15:19<keratacon>i915 according to xdriinfo
15:20<erKURITA>packet forging eh.. good luck on that
15:20<erKURITA>keratacon go to the xorg file
15:20<keratacon>ah, sorry, missed that
15:21<keratacon>driver "intel"
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15:23<saleh>hello everyone, i'm looking for a tutorial on raw aocket programming in c, didn't found anything, anything useful???
15:24<keratacon>yeah, i know
15:24<keratacon>saleh you want the book "Advanced Unix Programming"
15:24<keratacon>the info out on the web is either unhelpful or way overly technical
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15:25<saleh>keratacon thanks, but there should be exist some tutorial on net, it should be
15:25<erKURITA>saleh mininova it then ;)
15:26<erKURITA>keratacon it's strange, usually Xorg's driver enable DRI right away
15:26<keratacon>yeah, there are tech and text books all over bittorrent etc.
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15:26<saleh>heheh... cool...
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15:26<keratacon>the web is a limited source of information. it's wide but not very deep.
15:27<michal>hi there
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15:27<saleh>erKURITA and keratacon thanks so much...
15:27<keratacon>maybe try wikipedia for "sockets" and then see if the sources provide any good links
15:27<michal>im new in debian and im looking for some help
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15:27<erKURITA>michal state your issue then
15:27<saleh>thx... got it...
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15:28<michal>i can't install nvidia drivers. I'm trying nvidias way but it does'nt work.
15:28<michal>I found in nvidia log that i have corrupted kernel configuration
15:28<keratacon>ok, my problem isn't going to be solved quickly, i should get back to doing work.
15:28<keratacon>thanks and later
15:28<michal>i don't know how to fix it
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15:29<erKURITA>michal corrupt kernel configuration ?
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15:29<erKURITA>are you sure that's the error message?
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15:30<michal>kernel configuration is invalid - it says
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15:30<rektide>i'm looking for a audio cd ripper & encoder, any suggestions?
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15:30<rektide>there is no cdex for linux. :/
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15:32<michal>and when i was trying to install. It shows warning abouth gcc compiler
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15:32<beer>have tried kaudiocreator
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15:35<michal>and i have another question
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15:35<Lixium>debian fr Please
15:35<michal>how should looks menu.lst file if i have linux on my slave hdd
15:36<michal>should it be hd(0,0) or something else?
15:37<michal>(sory for my poor english)
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15:41<crc>when trying to dist-upgrade etch to lenny I keep getting "After unpacking 638MB of additional disk space will be used.
15:41<crc>Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
15:41<crc>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring
15:41<crc>" What do I do?
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15:43<crc>During a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny I keep getting an error saying configuration of debian-archive-keyring. Any ideas as to how to resolve this.
15:43<Ollie>Need to install KDE but it says I need to be in root but how do I get into root?
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15:44<beer>to get into root: su
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15:44<beer>stands for shigt user
15:44<Ollie>beer: Do I enter root password here?
15:45<crc>how do I upgrade from etch to lenny if I keep getting a "Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring" bork?
15:45<Ollie>beer:I forgot it...
15:45<beer>then: apt-get install kde-core
15:45<beer>then you cannot install anything
15:45<Ollie>beer: How do I reset?
15:46<beer>you can only reset rootpassword as root
15:46<Ollie>beer: I know, if you can tell me how to add me into sudoers file
15:46<Ollie>beer: PLease
15:46<beer>I dont know
15:47<beer>I have never forgot my root-password
15:47<jaakko>Ollie: boot you machine with "init=/bin/sh"
15:47<jaakko>Ollie: Then "passwd root"
15:47<Ollie>jaakko: What happens then? And how :P
15:48<crc>What does it mean when apt says It can't configure debian-archive-keyring?
15:48<jaakko>Ollie: Do you use grub?
15:48<Ollie>jaakko: Probably
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15:48<jaakko>Ollie: Ok, press "e" in the menu
15:48<Ollie>jaakko: When does the menu come up?
15:48<jaakko>Ollie: then add on the "kernel /boot/vm.. root=/dev.. init=/bin/sh
15:49<beer>crc: Debian cannot configue debian-archive-keyring package
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15:49<jaakko>Ollie: if there is "timeout=0", you will not see it.. boot with some live cd then.
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15:50<jaakko>see your /boot/grub/menu.list, is there timeout?
15:50<crc>beer: so what does that mean about APT?
15:50<Ollie>jaakko: Hold on
15:50<crc>beer: How would I fix this?
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15:51<Ollie>jaakko: I use yaboot I think
15:51<jaakko>Ollie: and ubuntu?
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15:51<Ollie>jaakko: No, I am on PPC so I used to have mac
15:52<beer>crc: as fare as I know apt is the underlying install tool and it tells you that it have problem with installing that package
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15:52<Ollie>jaakko: All I want is KDE :(
15:53<jaakko>Ollie: I don't know about yaboot. But you have to modify the boot arguments passed to the kernel or boot with liveCD (or mount your hd to other machine).
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15:53<crc>beer: I'm kinda telling you that apt is broken as far as going from etch to lenny because of theis debian-archive-keyring packages breaking.
15:53<beer>Ollie: there is another way. take backup, download debian netinstall and start from scratch
15:53<Ollie>jaakkoL I give up, will just reinstall
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15:53<crc>beer: What can I do to fix this?
15:54<jaakko>Ollie: reinstall? You can use the installer cd in rescue mode, I think.
15:54<Ollie>jaakko: Great thanks for idea
15:55<beer>crc: the times I have broken debbackage I die remove those and reisntalled them (apt-get purge package and then apt-get install package) and that did fix it for me
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15:56<Ollie>jaakko: Booting up in rescue mode...
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15:57<Ollie>jaakko: what is different with this and installer?
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15:58<crc>beer: Removing debian-archive-keyring forces me to remove every package on my system. Are you aware of this?
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15:59<creeps>helloa all
15:59<creeps>hmm is there not a ubuntu channel?
15:59<beer>then dont listen to me. I have never done a dist-upgrade beforesince I am always running testing
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16:00<noflash>!tell creeps -about ubuntu
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16:01<jaakko>Ollie: installer install the system and asks about everything. In rescue mode you do what you want to do.
16:01<Ollie>jaakko: I reseted the password!!!
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16:01<jaakko>Ollie: nice :)
16:02<Ollie>jaakko: Done. Thanks
16:02<monitor>tem alguem ai?
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16:02<creeps>hahahahah whats that dpkg about
16:02<Ollie>jaakko: Rebooting into 'normal' mode and trying it
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16:02<creeps>it answers bk cheeky thinfg
16:02<virtuald>creeps: it's on
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16:03<Ollie>jaakko: It better work :P
16:05<jaakko>Ollie: Btw, did you know the rescue mode also formats your hd? XD Just kidding.
16:06<creeps>anybody know any good sites to learn coding?
16:06<phillipsjk>dpkg: wednesday is mid-week. See thursday.
16:06<dpkg>...but wednesday is already something else...
16:06<Ollie>jaakko: Lol
16:06<Ollie>jaakko: Good try :P
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16:07<beer>creeps: I know a good dansih site call
16:07<Ollie>jaakko: Well, I am now in Terminal in root and installing KDE :)
16:08<beer>kde ftw
16:08<creeps>i only read english
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16:09<beer>creeps: what language do you whant to learn?
16:09<creeps>coding i want to learn
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16:09<creeps>for particular reason
16:09<beer>coding in what language?
16:10<creeps>ahh i dunno im new to it
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16:10<dpkg>i heard coding is something which is done by everybody but understood by nobody.
16:10<creeps>need to start at bottom really
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16:10<beer>do you know what a compile is?
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16:10<jaakko>creeps: try python
16:11<creeps>my pc skills are hardware based mainly , i want to progress on software side
16:11<jaakko>creeps: type "python" in terminal and try things. like.. print 'This is coding'
16:12<creeps>ok ill get to reading etc
16:12<jaakko>creeps: and with google you will find everything needed.
16:12<beer>then install java jdk (apt-get install sun-java6-jdk (in nonfree) and install eclipse
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16:13<creeps>right got loads to do need to get sound drivers installed
16:13<beer>and for some tourial
16:14<creeps>oo cool
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16:14<creeps>so once ive learned how to code i can then progress
16:16<phillipsjk>Some schools of thought say learnig to code is at least a 10 year process.
16:17<phillipsjk>You can learn a language in less time of course :)
16:17<creeps>right im confused
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16:18<phillipsjk>To code well takes practice.
16:19<creeps>i only need to learn for a small period and to do some thing
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16:21<phillipsjk>Have you taken a logic course (describing boolean logic (AND, OR, NOT, XOR))?
16:21<creeps>ahh well ill deal with a diferent way
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16:21<creeps>me nah man im just a pc gammer who's fed up with windows and being hacked and viruses
16:22<creeps>build and overclock pc's is about as far as my knoledge goes and general pc stuff
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16:24<phillipsjk>Ad what do you wanh to do? Write a Windows emulator? (Or help improve the wine project)?
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16:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. or #winehq ( Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
16:24<beer>or make some small games
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16:25<creeps>i wanted to do something nuaghty to certain person who's causing alot of trouble for me
16:25<creeps>but i can forget it and move on
16:26<creeps>ill deal with on street
16:26<creeps>but i would love to learn how to make maps for games etc
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16:29<phillipsjk>creeps: as you said you have to start somewhere. If you are really interested in learing to code, pick a language to learn.
16:29<crc>when ever apt throws an error is there an extended log file I can look at or something? The error is pretty low level "Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring"
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16:29<creeps>ye i will as a hobby
16:29<creeps>need to get my linux sorted tho changed hardware and it needs a good sort out
16:30<creeps>this debian a good one then?
16:30<erKURITA>crc check /var/log/apt/
16:30<creeps>i dunno compared to ubuntu
16:30<erKURITA>creeps basically, Ubuntu is made from Debian
16:31<creeps>ubuntu more noob friendly then
16:31<erKURITA>the main difference is that Ubuntu is more user-friendly
16:31<EmleyMoor>Well, I've even backported libsane and I still am not moving on
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16:31<creeps>right well i think i need to go learn more about linux now im using it
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16:36<phillipsjk>Debian is not necesarily linux. There is a GNU/Hurd port in the works. (Strictly speaking Linux only refers to the kernel. (which handles low-level things))
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16:36<creeps>thnx for help l8rs all
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16:37<jaakko>phillipsjk: if I login without gui, what GNU programs I'm using then?
16:38<jaakko>phillipsjk: bash is GNU I think, what else?
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16:38<dondelelcaro>jaakko: libc? login? etc?
16:38<dondelelcaro>jaakko: you'd be hard pressed to not be using GNU stuff
16:38<alephnull>jaakko: glibc, to begin with.
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16:40<jaakko>dondelelcaro: man login does not mention GNU, perhaps google...
16:41<erKURITA>if I login without gui, what GNU programs I'm using then? <= all of them?
16:41<phillipsjk>Wel a shell, (you mentioned bash, there is also sh, csh, etc.) as well as commands specified by the FHS:
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16:41<erKURITA>What you call "GUI" is an X Server
16:43<dondelelcaro>jaakko: parts of it are GNU
16:43<jaakko>It would be interesting to count how many of the programs are GNU currently running.
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16:43<dondelelcaro>almost every program you're running is making calls to bits of GNU libraries... probably more often than it calls kernel interfaces
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16:44<guillaume>can I uprade safely to 2.6-25 under sid ?
16:44<jaakko>dondelelcaro: yes, but using library does not create derivate work, so it should apply to name also.
16:45<jaakko>dondelelcaro: or it may create, but system libraries are mentioned as exception in GPL too.
16:45<dondelelcaro>jaakko: uh... so? We're refering to the fact that we're using the GNU userland, which is why we say Debian GNU/Linux
16:45<dondelelcaro>(we also distribute Debian GNU/KFreeBSD, and a few other non-linux kernels)
16:46<erKURITA>guillaume I'd suggest to get it and test it before deleting your current kernel
16:46<erKURITA>sid can be very unstable
16:46<jaakko>dondelelcaro: the programs might use other library as well, providing same interface. Running software on linux does not create GNU-program automatically.
16:46<dondelelcaro>in any event, it's not terribly on topic what it's called.
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16:47<guillaume>erKURITA: : I read about root filesystem pb with it under amd64 and I have some handmade modules too
16:47<jaakko>dondelelcaro: so why would we call "login" to GNU/login, if it uses GNU library? if not, why would we call Debian GNU/Linux, if it is group of programs using... etc.
16:47<phillipsjk>Found a semi-official list of GNU software:
16:47<erKURITA>guillaume you may have to recompile the modules.
16:48<dondelelcaro>(bigmem works up to 64G, iirc, but not terribly efficiently)
16:49<jaakko>dondelelcaro: many programs use shell scripts.. it should be actually Debian GNU/Bash/Linux
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16:52<dondelelcaro>they use electrons! we should call it Debian GNU/Electrons/Shell/Linux
16:52<jaakko>dondelelcaro: yes, you got my point!
16:52<dondelelcaro>jaakko: your point is, apparently, that we should just call it Debian.
16:53<jaakko>dondelelcaro: so really only reasonable name is Debian.
16:53<dondelelcaro>and we do call the project Debian.
16:53<dondelelcaro>we call our distributions by names that distinguish them from the other things that we distribute
16:53<EmleyMoor>It's a project - it's not tied to any particular kernel :-)
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16:54<kjetil_>(Debian/kernel-name !)
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16:54<dondelelcaro>the big major things that differ are the kernel and the userland; that's why we say Debian Userland/Kernel
16:54<rjent>greetings, I have moved some suse systems to debian and I need to get slappasswd installed, what package do I need?
16:54<erKURITA>apt-cache search slappasswd
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16:54<erKURITA>see if there's any
16:55<jaakko>dondelelcaro: but what makes the "userland" GNU? I use openbox, it is not GNU.
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16:55<the-dude>rjent: I think ldap-utils
16:55<dondelelcaro>jaakko: the libc library, the coreutils, etc.
16:55<kjetil_>rjent: you can check it at
16:55<rjent>the-dude: ok thanks
16:56<EmleyMoor>If I've used the simple backporting method to backport only as much as needed to try something out, is there a way to reverse it?
16:57<haxi>mh, wtf with vlc, da film should looks like this -> but look what I get: it's not vlc, appears on all players..?!
16:57<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: you mean to remove the -dev packages installed? Or to revert to what is present in stable?
16:57<EmleyMoor>To revert to what is present in stable
16:57<jaakko>dondelelcaro: so you say actually "Debian library/kernel"
16:58<dondelelcaro>jaakko: uh... no, what I said is correct. Consider contemplating it.
16:58<jaakko>dondelelcaro: Debian c-libary/kernel, actually
16:59<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: aptitude search '?narrow(?archive(stable),!?version(CURRENT))'; or similar should tell you what those packages are, and then you can just use aptitude to specify the version which is actually in stable.
16:59<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: if it's only a few, and you know exactly what they are, then just aptitude install foopackage=fooversioninstable;
16:59<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: you can also do that easily using the curses aptitude interface.
17:00<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: I still think it's weird my scanner plays up on my desktop though
17:01<phillipsjk>haxi: looks like you are missing the red colour channel for some reason.
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17:01<haxi>phillipsjk: this happen with all players, mh. I don't find anything on nvidia-settings ::
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17:02<phillipsjk>Of course the white still looks white.
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17:03<haxi>mh, but wtf
17:03<haxi>when I take a capture of the video, via vlc
17:03<haxi>and host it
17:03<phillipsjk>Could you have darkend the red channel leaving the others alone?
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17:03<haxi>I see good colors
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17:06<haxi>damn ppl looks like shtroumphs
17:06<haxi>or smt
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17:08<Nemoder>anyone have any tips on how to go about downgrading something like Xorg? latest update to lenny seems to have broken a lot of stuff for me
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17:10<phillipsjk>haxi is your're first language french?
17:11<haxi>yep ;]
17:11<amphi>Nemoder: seems ok here; what's broken there?
17:12<erKURITA>Nemoder remove xorg, change repo to etch, update and re-download
17:12<Nemoder>well for starters xfwm4 didn't start, so I can't move my windows around
17:12<erKURITA>should do the trick
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17:12<amphi>Nemoder: what happens if you try to start it from a term?
17:12<Nemoder>amphi: ah it's starts now but I still can't drag any windows around
17:13<phillipsjk>I though of another possibiliy: the Red and blue colour channels may be swapped. THat would explain why white is not affected.
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17:14<haxi>phillipsjk: mh, I wonder why, I can see the picture in good colors
17:14<haxi>since I can't see the video in right ones
17:15<amphi>Nemoder: odd - you have any other wm to try there?
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17:16<Nemoder>amphi: ok twm works, but man is it ugly :>
17:16<amphi>I use openbox here, or compiz - both work fine
17:17<Nemoder>oh ya I do have compiz installed
17:17<Nemoder>if I can remember how to start it
17:18<amphi>Nemoder: compiz ccp &
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17:18<VTommy>hello guys
17:18<VTommy>how do i install .deb file again :-( can't remember
17:18<EmleyMoor>dpkg -i file
17:18*dpkg installs file into emleymoor's head with a bone saw and a few screws
17:18<VTommy>ty Emleymoor
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17:18<EmleyMoor>Oh, sorry, dpkg, forgot you'd react to that :-)
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17:21<haxi>green is purpl
17:21<VTommy>how tell what version of debian i have?
17:21<VTommy>woody or sarge?
17:21<amphi>cat /etc/debian_version
17:21<Nemoder>amphi: ok compiz sorta works, I think I am having mouse problems though, my sensitivity changed and when I single left-click on the window bars it maximizes them
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17:22<erKURITA>Nemoder maybe it's the overhead it causes on your sistem
17:22<Nemoder>erKURITA: I've got a pretty good system, amd4000 gf8600
17:22<amphi>Nemoder: dunno how you adjust that
17:22<VTommy>what name should it be?
17:22<EmleyMoor>haxi: Green is purple? What colour is yellow?
17:23<VTommy>k cool
17:23<erKURITA>Nemoder that's nice
17:23<Nemoder>amphi: but I can't really drag windows around in compiz either since as soon as I click anywhere on the title it maximizes it
17:23<erKURITA>5200+ 8600 GT here aswell, and it causes a "bit" of lag :)
17:23<haxi>EmleyMoor: the fire is blue
17:24<amphi>Nemoder: it should shade it, IMHO ;)
17:24<EmleyMoor>haxi: Are you watching in negative?
17:24<Nemoder>amphi: it's like anywhere i single click it's counting as a double click
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17:24<amphi>Nemoder: perhaps there's an xorg doubleclick timeout option or some such
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17:25<amphi>Nemoder: I've not had such a problem
17:25<haxi>EmleyMoor: huh, no.
17:25<amphi>Nemoder: is it the same in other WMs?
17:25<haxi>I thought it was vlc problem
17:25<haxi>but same happens on all players
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17:25<Nemoder>amphi: it's the same even without a WM, if i just click inside a window like an xterm it selects a full word or line as if i had double clicked
17:26<panagos>from what i know, /tmp is emptied an boot; how can i make this also happen e.g. with /var/tmp or /usr/local/tmp or whatever?
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17:26<amphi>Nemoder: ah - man xorg.conf for you, then, I guess ;)
17:27<Nemoder>amphi: I didn't change my xorg at all though, something in update broke it
17:27<Nemoder>er xorg.conf i mean
17:27<amphi>perhaps you must change it now
17:27<ya_luser>NIS troubles with stable (etch), can't make in /var/yp. Any pointers
17:28<ya_luser>ooh - that didn't seem to work
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17:28<Nemoder>ya this is very strange, any mouse button i press counts twice, if i paste something it pastes it twice
17:29<ya_luser>failed to send 'clear' to local ypserv: RPC: Program not registered
17:29<amphi>Nemoder: try changing the protocol perhaps
17:29<Nemoder>amphi: I'm not sure what to change it to
17:30<Nemoder>amphi: I've been using imps/2
17:31<VTommy>can anyone help me do an install of dtc?
17:31<phillipsjk>haxi: trying to check the nvidia website for known bugs in the driver but get only: We're sorry, the NVIDIA Smart Scan does not support your system at this time. (I wasn't asking it to!)
17:31<VTommy>i'm getting an error dpkg: regarding dtc-common_0.28.9-1_all.deb containing dtc-common:
17:31<VTommy> dtc-common conflicts with dtc (<< 0.25.1)
17:31<VTommy> dtc (version 0.17.0-3) is unpacked but not configured.
17:31<VTommy>dpkg: error processing dtc-common_0.28.9-1_all.deb (--install):
17:31<VTommy> conflicting packages - not installing dtc-common
17:31<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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17:32<VTommy>oops sorry
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17:32<VTommy>now i know not to do that
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17:32<weasel>there is no dtc-common in etch.
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17:33<VTommy>i have downloaded it from the website? i'm not sure i'm just trying to install :-(
17:33<ya_luser>hmmm - /etc/init.d/nis start hangs
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17:33<ya_luser>portmap is running
17:34<weasel>do you have a lo interface?
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17:34<ya_luser>weasel - who? me?
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17:34<weasel>no, the three headed monkey behind you
17:34<weasel>yes, you.
17:35<phillipsjk>haxi: oh.. maybe it did (ask it to automactly determine my video drivers)
17:35<ya_luser>oh, that's my girlfriend
17:35<weasel>hah :)
17:35<ya_luser>yup, answers rpcinfo -p
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17:36<ya_luser>Maybe something's changed since 2.2 kernel days. I've just upgraded from a very old debain disty.
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17:36<ya_luser>what should the ypserver have in /etc/yp.conf?
17:37<ya_luser>I never had anything in it in the past.
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17:39<ya_luser>Ah - /etc/default/nis might be the thing I need to tweak
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17:41<weasel>if you don't use NIS, why have it installed?
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17:43<ya_luser>I do use nis - I depend on it! my whole networks's been dead all day, so I gotta get this new install up and running.
17:43<ya_luser>should NISCLIENT be true on a server?
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17:44<ya_luser>oooh oooh - ypserv started
17:45<ya_luser>ypcat hosts worked!
17:45<ya_luser>wheee - thanks for flinging all the right words in my direction
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17:51<wangahrah>hey folks. having an interesting dns issue. i have a WDS network set up in my home, which may be some of the issue. i have in /etc/resolve.conf the nameserver i need. however, still can't access outside of the LAN. when i put in the dns-nameserver option in my /etc/network/interfaces, it does work fine. is there a reason it wouldn't be looking at the resolve.conf, but would work through interfaces?
17:53<EmleyMoor>Should it not be resolv.conf?
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17:54<ya_luser>Oh, man, my poor clients (the ones that haven't rebooted) are very confused now. I can't unmount the nfs mounts which used to exist before I did the debian upgrade (don't ask - hard failure, needed to install OS from scratch on new HD)
17:54<wangahrah>yes, i mistyped; it was set up in resolv.conf
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17:56<Nemoder>amphi: found my problem:
17:57<Nemoder>enabling the CorePointer option fixed it
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18:02<amphi>Nemoder: cool
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18:13<keratacon>is there a tutorial out there for just using config files for 802.11$char ?
18:13<keratacon>rather than wizards and frontends and whatnot
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18:14<lupine_85>keratacon: it's just /etc/network/interfaces
18:14<lupine_85>you can do wireless-essid, wireless-key,e tc
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18:14<lupine_85>(wpa_supplicant is a bit more complicated, I think. never used it)
18:15<keratacon>and can it handle plaintext passwords ok? that's a problem i've run into with a lot of linux wireless managers.
18:15<keratacon>including wireless-tools or whatever that package is called
18:15<lupine_85>well, it can do wireless-key s:<yourkey>
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18:18<ya_luser2>:-( my machine, even though I've not changed anything apart from the YP/NFS server, can no longer startx.
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18:18<guillaume>hello, I'm trying to fix nvidia kernel module for 2.6.25-1 kernel, but I get a build error. Someone has succeed to build it ?
18:19<ya_luser2>would "(EE)"s be the reason that it quits back immediately?
18:19<guillaume>178.03 beta2 version
18:20<phillipsjk>haxi: I give up: I would suugest looking into XVideo (extention) seeting (assuming THat is what handles video), Or post you question on the NVIDIA linux forum.
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18:21<guillaume>ya_luser2: you should check /var/log/Xorg.log in order to find what's going wrong
18:22<ya_luser2>wohwohwoh - why the fark has my /etc/yp.conf been overwritten on my client machines
18:22<ya_luser2>the x-failing problem is on 1 machine, yp-failing on 3 others
18:23<ya_luser2>(EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
18:23<ya_luser2>that's the only (EE)
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18:24<ya_luser2>Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
18:24<ya_luser2>Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
18:24<ya_luser2>(II) VIA(0): [drm] Freeing agp memory
18:24<ya_luser2>(II) VIA(0): [drm] Releasing agp module
18:24<ya_luser2>(II) VIA(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
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18:24<ya_luser2>(II) VIA(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xbeac1000 at 0xa7c8d000
18:24<ya_luser2>(II) VIA(0): [drm] Irq handler uninstalled.
18:24<ya_luser2>FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
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18:25<ya_luser2>Those are the final lines of the log
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18:45<ya_luser2>OK, all YP problems fixed, just the one now
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18:50<ya_luser2>I removed the only line that caused (EE) from the xorg.conf file, and it still barfs immediately
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18:50<ya_luser2>It does do into X for about 1/10s
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18:59<q^p>ya_luser, that does ? >>> lspci |grep VGA
19:00<ya_luser2>phil@nonospaz:~$ lspci | grep VGA
19:00<ya_luser2>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]
19:00<ya_luser2>Integrated Video (rev 01)
19:00<ya_luser2>onboard cheapie
19:01<ya_luser2>It appears that since yesterday, xorg has updated, so I'm dselecting the new stuff now
19:01<ya_luser2>Fortunately I can survive without X, as I'm a w3m and GNUS weenie!
19:02<q^p>and that ? >>>>> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
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19:04<ya_luser2> Driver "keyboard"
19:04<ya_luser2> Driver "mouse"
19:04<ya_luser2> Driver "via"
19:04<kop>I've a Dell Latitute XT tablet. I've installed etchnhalf (and the 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 kernel) and have trouble getting X to work. Dell says the graphics are "ATI Radeon X1250 UMA Graphics (integrated)" lspci says "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7942", the Xorg.0.log file also says "unknown chipset (0x7492)". I've goofed around with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and tried both VESA (the automatic choice) and ati dri
19:05<kop>The other weird thing is that I can only run it in single user mode. Then when I do startx it fails, but in runlevel 2 it never seems to figure out that X does not work. But this is a lessor mystery.
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19:09<q^p>ya_luser2, apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video-via
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19:11<stratman4300>got a wierd issue.... i've got a partition that seems to be "stuck" as mdraid filesystem type.... I've got data i need on it and i can't seem to get it to mount properly.
19:11<stratman4300>i originally had it setup by itself.... then added it to a raid 1 device later.... now i detached it from the raid device and it seems to be stuck as mdraid
19:11<stratman4300>i Fdisked it and changed it back to linux type filesystem
19:12<stratman4300>i've got the data backed up off-site if i need it
19:13<stratman4300>any takers??
19:13<ya_luser2>xserver-xorg-video-via - X.Org X server -- VIA display driver
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19:14<ya_luser2>Since I ran dselect, and snarfed the new xorg it behaves a little differently.
19:14<ya_luser2>takes longer to start, and then still craps out
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19:17<stratman4300>nevermind... got it fixed
19:17<kop>stratman4300 : What worked?
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19:18<stratman4300>kop: guess i forgot to stop and disassemble /dev/md0 :|
19:18<stratman4300>kop: silly mistake
19:18<kop>stratman4300 : I see. I've done it before.
19:18<ya_luser2>I do get the stardard x b/w backdrop for about 1/3s now.
19:18<q^p>ya_luser2, use for your xorg.conf ("cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf")
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19:19<kop>Googling says the radeonhd driver works with my card. But it's not in etch, is it?
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19:20<q^p>ya_luser2, or " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
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19:23<kop>Gotta reboot. Back in a minute.
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19:25<ya_luser2>Ugh - the dpkg-reconfigure replaced my xorg.conf with something that has almost nothing in it and still fails horribly (in the same way apparently)
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19:26<q^p>ya_luser2,ok put your xorg.conf on site above
19:27<ya_luser2>Ooops - my original is already up there, I'll now add the new one too
19:28<q^p>ya_luser2, firt >>> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_old
19:29<ya_luser2>dpkg-reconfigure backed up my old one
19:29<javo>i have a problem on system boot, im having "ata4: port is slow to respond" and my system spend lot of time trying to start this device
19:29<ya_luser2>new one now pasted
19:29<javo>my system is debian testing
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19:30<q^p>ya_luser2, give the address for
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19:31<javo>i found some of this problem by googling, but the presented solution is based on downgrading or recompilating the kernel
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19:32<javo>any of you with the same problem??
19:32<ya_luser2>the address for what?
19:32<q^p>javo, I have the same issue with a hdd , hwo has bad cluster in, look in Ctrl +Alt + F1
19:32<q^p>ya_luser2, of your post
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19:33<javo>i think my problem is with my dvd-rw
19:34<q^p>javo ata4 is the dvd-rw ?
19:34<javo>i think so. how can i list it to confirm?
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19:35<q^p>jova: df -h
19:35<q^p>and "cat /etc/fstab"
19:36<q^p>ya_luser2, right your xorg.cong is not ok
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19:37<keratacon>is there a way, using /etc/network/interfaces, to have the wireless card look for known hosts and failing that, seek an open connection?
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19:37<keratacon>or do i need something more sophisticated for that?
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19:37<javo>q^p: my hdd is partitioned as /dev/hda5, /dev/hda6 and /dev/hda7. My cdrom shows as /deb/hdb so i think this is the ata4 device
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19:40<ya_luser2>q^p - that xorg.conf (2280) is precisely what dpkg-reconfigure produced
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19:40<ya_luser2>I can stick the one in 2279 back
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19:41<q^p>ya_luser2, do you have a lcd monitor ?
19:42<q^p>ya_luser2, I prepare a new xorg for you
19:43<q^p>I need that information from (lcd ) monitor
19:44<q^p> *for the
19:45<ya_luser2>I've a Noka447ZiPlus CRT
19:45<q^p>or is a cathodic (a tube) monitor or a LCD ons
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19:46<q^p>ya_luser2, try that :
19:46<ya_luser2>Nokia, that is
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19:47<q^p>save this file as xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ directory
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19:50<ya_luser2>qp - I've just started X ok as root, it's only as a luser that it fails.
19:50<q^p>javo : have you used "Ctrl +Alt + F1" for back to X use "Ctrl +Alt + F7"
19:50<q^p>ya_luser2, ok
19:51<q^p>ya_luser2, try a reboot
19:51<ya_luser2>qp - in fact, it's just 1 single luser (me) that it fails for. The unused local luser account can start X as well as root
19:52<q^p>ya_luser2, I see ...
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19:52<ya_luser2>qp - it's not that it's a network account. My g/f can start X on my machine too, and she's also a network account
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19:52<ya_luser2>so it must be something in my ~/.x*
19:52<q^p>ya_luser2, login as luser , and do "startx" than
19:54<q^p>ya_luser2, luser is a network account ?
19:54<ya_luser2>root, luser are local. phil, anna are networked. Only _fails_ for phil
19:55<ya_luser2>stating ~/.[xX]*, only .Xauthority was touched
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19:57<javo>q^p: yes i used it but is the same as use konsole... isnt' it?
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19:58<q^p>javo, no
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19:59<q^p>ya_luser2, so revert you .Xauthority to the original form
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20:00<overflow>hey, do you know why after restart I have latency on keyboard keys in Xorg?
20:00<javo>q^p: i tried de -h and also cat /etc/fstab, and i got the same result as using konsole
20:01<javo>it does not me specify if my cdrom is or not ata4
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20:02<ya_luser2>q^p - I simply removed the .Xauthority, and it still fails
20:03<q^p>javo, ok
20:03<q^p>ya_luser2, do not have to do that :(
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20:04<javo>im happy because of the updates on testing of the xorg package, and with it also my ati drivers :D
20:04<ya_luser2>startx creates a new one immediately.
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20:05<snifer>hey wats up
20:05<snifer>one question
20:05<overflow>someone knows why Im having keyboard latency after restart? Im using lenny 64bits
20:05<snifer>how come i cant find the server efnet in the server list?
20:06<q^p>javo dunno know, try to figure out yourself that ata:4
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20:06<q^p>ya_luser2, ok
20:06<snifer>*im using Konversation
20:06<ya_luser2>There's no difference in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,.old} except for a few framebuffer addresses that seem to be different for all of the working accounts
20:06<javo>overflow: after restartin x ? i also have lenny 64 bits.. i never realized but i can try to see if happens to me too
20:07<overflow>javo, well I restart my computer, but yes, also xorg of course ...
20:07<overflow>javo,please try it
20:07<javo>ill try restarting X
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20:08<ya_luser2>just did startx as root twice from the same console, and the log files again show different addresses, so those addresses aren't important.
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20:10<javo>hi im back
20:10<overflow>javo, do you see any difference?
20:10<javo>i tried restarting my X and saw everithing ok with my keyboard and mouse. I use kde and kdm
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20:11<overflow>mmm well, keyboard is ok with xterm , but the rest of the gnome apps have latency
20:11<q^p>ya_luser2, ok . you may del user phil , and re create one new ons after
20:11<javo>the only difference i noted is because i just updated xorg packages (there is a new version in testing since today) and i see my fonts in a huge size :P
20:12<javo>you say after loading gnome, in a normal usage ?
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20:13<ya_luser2>q^p - ug - that account is me, is my life, I don't want to delete it.
20:14<overflow>javo, yes
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20:16<q^p>ya_luser2, hehe , just delete your self, for cleaning that bad config , and re create yourself , that all , sure all that as a root user
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20:16<javo>ill try gnome... i dont use it often but ill try
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20:18<javo>hi. im on gnome now
20:19<javo>it feels rare because i not use to use it... but yes i feel a delay while tipying
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20:20<javo>i dont note in the mouse, but yes the keyboard seems a bit slow to show what i write
20:21<javo>maybe is normal, i dont know, i allways am in kde environment so maybe it is a configuration think
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20:22<javo>remember that recently gnome 2.22 was introduced to lenny in replace of gnome 2.20 ... i dont know but maybe some configuration file changed and this stuff is configurable via the gnome panel
20:23<javo>ill back to kde now :D
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20:26<q^p>overflow type "(gnome-control-center" in a terminal , > Materiel> Clavier/Keyboard>
20:27<ya_luser2>q^p - I deleted just my .xinitrc, and it now works!
20:27<q^p>ya_luser2, ok
20:27<ya_luser2>The funny thing was that it wasn't reading it, it simply stat'ed it
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20:27<ya_luser2>I did an strace of xinit as both phil and anna, and then ran diffs
20:28<q^p>ya_luser2, you are a french speaker ?
20:28<ya_luser2>malheureusement non
20:29<q^p>it's ok
20:29<ya_luser2>I just did 'touch .xinitrc; xinit' and it craps out!
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20:29<phillipsjk>Javo: could your "ATA4: slow to respond" have to do with misconfigured hardware? Each IDE interface can have up to 2 devices. A slave device requires a master on the same interface. For cable-select: Blue (motherboard) Black (master) Grey (slave)
20:29<ya_luser2>So existance of the file is the only thing that matters
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20:29<ya_luser2>Thank you so much for your patience, q^p
20:29<q^p>np ya_luser2
20:30<overflow>mmm even gdm has keyb latency
20:30<ya_luser2>goddamn #debian ROCKS! (because of people like you)
20:30*phillipsjk hates it when that happens.
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20:30<q^p>ya_luser2, hehe
20:30<phillipsjk>Javo: could your "ATA4: slow to respond" have to do with misconfigured hardware? Each IDE interface can have up to 2 devices. A slave device requires a master on the same interface. For cable-select: Blue (motherboard) Black (master) Grey (slave)
20:31<overflow>javo: even gdm has latency
20:31<overflow>but not xterm
20:31<phillipsjk>Gnome has horrible latency on my Pentium 166 :P (so does kde)
20:32<overflow>phillipsjk: i mean keyboard latency
20:32<amphi>phillipsjk: use a lighter wm like openbox, perhaps ;)
20:32<overflow>or icewm
20:33<q^p>overflow, have you read my message ?
20:33<phillipsjk>I had to change the default terminal program in xfce to xterm. (from the default)
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20:33<overflow>q^p: I don't think so
20:33<q^p>look up for
20:34<q^p>look above for
20:34<overflow>q^p: I just came in
20:34<q^p>overflow type "(gnome-control-center" in a terminal , > Materiel> Clavier/Keyboard>
20:34<q^p>for configure kbd
20:35<overflow>q^p: it was working fine berfore restart it
20:36<overflow>well .. gonna get something to eat, bbl
20:36<overflow>thanks anyway
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20:37<javo>how can i enable true transparency, now i have my new xorg 6.8.0 ?
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20:39<wea0>Hi, I just installed the latest xorg update in lenny and now the mouse buttons are all wrong on my MX500. Cruise-up is now the same as back, cruise-down is not recognized as button anymore and the program switch is now the same as middle mouse.
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20:48<sean>is anyone here
20:50<dondelelcaro>no one is here either
20:50<sean>great seemed like it for a bit
20:52<sean>well ill ask "nobody" my questions. I am pretty new to debian(and linux in general) finally got it online after a few hours and now im trying to work out a few things
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20:53<sean>My mic doesnt seem to work though sound in general does and i am trying to mess with the slider bars on the volume thing (turning them all the way up)
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20:53<sean>doesnt seem to help though
20:53<Cyorxamp>Does anyone know how I can make this umm, go away? :) ..... The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686
20:53<sandra>does anyone know if it is possible to video chat with KMess
20:53<sean>i think it does that automatically if the newer one has a lot of bugs
20:54<sean>not sure though im kinda new myself
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20:56<chealer>!tell Cyorxamp about kept ack
20:56<chealer>!tell Cyorxamp about kept back
20:56<sean>hi chealer can you help me with my sound issue?
20:57<wea0>Ah, I have to use Option "Device" instead of Option "Name" ...
20:57<chealer>sean: please ask the channel
20:57<sean>i did nobody answered
20:58<Cyorxamp>chealer: ok well it doesn't look like theres any dependancy problems getting it
20:58<Cyorxamp>so any clues as to why it is on hold?
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20:59<chealer>Cyorxamp: just upgrade it
20:59<Cyorxamp>you mean install it?
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20:59<Cyorxamp>I presume it keeps them (kernels) back due to them needing restarts maybe?
20:59<chealer>Cyorxamp: in apt-get jargon, yes. it must be already installed
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20:59<chealer>Cyorxamp: no
20:59<Cyorxamp>I'm currently 2.6.18-4-686
21:00<q^p>sean, are you on lenny ?
21:00<Cyorxamp>and this says 2.6.18-6-686 is kept back
21:00<sean>etch i believe
21:00<sean>sean@debian:~$ uname -a
21:00<sean>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 08:33:59 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
21:00<Cyorxamp>I can't upgrade to it, only install it :S
21:00<chealer>sean: use question marks to put emphasis on your questions
21:00<q^p>sean, cat /etc/debian_version
21:00<Cyorxamp>sounds like etch
21:01<sean>sean@debian:~$ uname -a
21:01<sean>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 08:33:59 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
21:01<sean>copied wrong thing
21:01<sean>well doing cat /etc/debian_version said 4.0 on the cd its 4.0r3
21:01<Cyorxamp>yeah etch
21:02<Lucky>Are there any consumer-grade motherboard vendors that are considered to be especially open source friendly. I.e. the vendor typically documents their drivers, offers a BIOS upgrader for Linux, etc. I am not very price sensitive.
21:02<Cyorxamp>thats a good question
21:02<q^p>sean, ok
21:03<Lucky>Am looking to reward good behaviour with my $$.
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21:04<Laeborg> - whats wrong?
21:04<Laeborg>got that error when i try to mount one of my ntfs discs
21:05<q^p>sean, look here an make sure you have installed at least one mix* like alsamixergui
21:05<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: thats normal, just use the force option
21:05<Cyorxamp>basically windows never said to the ntfs drive that it is gonna stop using it - just a precaution it won't mount unless you put -o force
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21:06<Laeborg>in my command in the terminal?
21:06<Cyorxamp>sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc5 /mnt/windows -o umask=0,nls=utf8,force
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21:06<Laeborg>didnt worked
21:07<Cyorxamp>same message?
21:07<chealer>Laeborg: what is /dev/sdc5?
21:07<Laeborg>hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
21:07<Laeborg>a old partion
21:08<sean>q^p ok im looking at alsamixer should i just get the tar.gz (i have installed a few thingsf rom those before) or is there a deb package some where ( i justchecked synaptic its not in the list)
21:08<Cyorxamp>change your umask=0,nls=utf8 for just defaults
21:08<q^p>sean, you may use that (for example) " apt-get install alsamixergui " , if needed , sure like root user
21:09<Laeborg>how can i see what the defaults is?
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21:09<sean>i dont think i have that package in the sources list if its supposed to be
21:09<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: if it works you can apply other options later - defaults as a safe bet tho
21:10<sean>it says cannot find package and the site only has tar.gz diff.gz and dsc
21:10<Cyorxamp>defaults,rw for example should mount it read/write
21:10<Laeborg>what should i then type in the terminal?
21:10<Cyorxamp>sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc5 /mnt/windows -o defaults,force
21:11<Laeborg>same error again, when i try to read the disc
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21:12<sean>q^p doing that says package isnt found
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21:12<q^p>sean, do "apt-get update" and than apt-get install alsamixergui
21:12<Laeborg>when I go to media:/sdc5 i got this error: "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
21:13<q^p>sean, "apt-get install alsamixergui"
21:13<sean>debian:/home/sean# apt-get install alsamixergui
21:13<sean>Reading package lists... Done
21:13<sean>Building dependency tree... Done
21:13<sean>E: Couldn't find package alsamixergui
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21:13<sean>i guess i cant paste it
21:13<Laeborg> - i got this error in the terminal
21:14<Laeborg>or warning
21:14<sean>but says same thing after apt-get update and apt-get install alsamixergui
21:14<Cyorxamp>its done it, its not an error
21:14<Cyorxamp>that warning doesn't affect what you're trying to do - ignore it
21:15<Laeborg>okay Cyorxamp, whats next?
21:15<Cyorxamp>nothing, if you actually go to /mnt/windows you'll see the parition you just mounted
21:15<Laeborg>ah :D
21:15<q^p>sean,do my commande as root user, in a terminal : after apt-get update
21:15<sean>i did both in a root terminal
21:15<Laeborg>do i have read/write access?
21:15<q^p>sean,do my commande as root user, in a terminal : apt-get update
21:16<sean>i did
21:16<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: if you wanna write to it, then you can umount /mnt/windows and try it with -o defaults,rw,force instead
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21:16<q^p>sean, say what . have errors?
21:17<Laeborg>cool :)
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21:17<Cyorxamp>echo /dev/sdc5 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,rw,force 0 0 >>/etc/fstab
21:18<sean>i ran install first then i tried update and then i tried install again
21:18<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: if you run that it will automount on startup
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21:18<sean>q^p that pastebin was the commands i have executed and results btw
21:18<Laeborg>should i just run that command once in terminal?
21:18<Cyorxamp>then never again will you need to know all this crap :P
21:19<Laeborg>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/multimedia1 -o defaults,rw,force
21:19<Laeborg>or what?
21:20<Cyorxamp>this another partition now?
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21:20<Laeborg>got 5 ntfs discs
21:20<Cyorxamp>if so, that looks fine - just make sure the /mnt/multimedia1 directory exists and that partition is actually ntfs
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21:20<q^p>sean, you leave in what country ?
21:20<sean>united states
21:21<Laeborg>and after that, i need to run that echo for auto mount on start up?
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21:21<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: yes but notice it's slightly re-arranged
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21:22<q^p>sean, pls paste your /etc/sources/sources.lst (cat /etc/sources/sources.lst)
21:23<Cyorxamp>Laeborg: just so you know 'echo' used in that way adds stuff to the end of a text file... and the file /etc/fstab contains what the system should mount at startup
21:23<Laeborg>okay :)
21:23<Laeborg>thank you very much. learned a lot to night :D
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21:23<Cyorxamp>you can nano /etc/fstab to edit it more directly and leave off the echo and >>/etc/fstab bits :P
21:23<sean>q^p no such file but i did change /etc/apt/sources.list
21:23<sean>if thats the right file i can paste that
21:24<Laeborg>how do i remove that echo again?
21:24<Laeborg>echo /dev/sdc5 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,rw,force 0 0 >>/etc/fstab
21:24<Laeborg>do i need to nano the whole file and then remove the last line ?
21:25<q^p>Laeborg, no
21:25<Cyorxamp>lol - forget I ever mentioned nano
21:25<Cyorxamp>it's just a simple text editor - unneeded for this, but later if you wanna view what mounts on startup its handy
21:25<q^p>Laeborg, just add a "#" before that line
21:26<Laeborg>i know the text editor called nano, but how to i remove that echo from /ect/fstab ?
21:26<Cyorxamp>it's 2:23am anyway and I gotta get to bed and then work :)
21:26<Laeborg>i do need to nano /ect/fstab and then remove the last line?
21:26<Laeborg>night night Cyorxamp :)
21:26<Cyorxamp>sure or put as # in front which will turn it into a comment (i.e. ignore it)
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21:26<Cyorxamp>night :D
21:26<sean>gnight cyorxamp
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21:27<sean>q^p anything i should add to my sources list?
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21:28<sot6853>anybody use parallels?
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21:31<sean>q^p any ideas?
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21:32<q^p>sean, save that file as sources.list in /etc/apt/
21:32<Laeborg>when i do this:
21:32<Laeborg>echo /dev/sdc5 /mnt/Documents ntfs-3g defaults,rw,force 0 0 >>/etc/fstabH
21:32<Laeborg>and after this: nano /ect/fstab - fstab i blank
21:32<q^p>sean, and do "apt-get update"
21:33<Laeborg>then i should add it to fstab manuel?
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21:34<q^p>Laeborg, sure
21:34<sean>its updating right now
21:35<q^p>Laeborg, but here is an error >>> >>/etc/fstabH <<<< a H letter
21:35<Laeborg>should I then out this in fstab: /dev/sdc5 /mnt/Documents ntfs-3g defaults,rw,force 0 0
21:35<Laeborg>only IRC who adds the H, not typed in the terminal
21:35<q^p>Laeborg, ok
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21:38<sean>ok q^p: i have alsamixergui open now what do i od
21:38<q^p>sean, up the microphon level
21:39<sean>ok should it be green on top
21:39<sean>or white
21:39<sean>and should i put red or white dots
21:39<q^p>or what you need
21:40<q^p>have to try yourself
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21:41<sean>all the way up
21:41<sean>all i hear is static
21:41<sean>i tried using the sound recorder that comes with gnome
21:41<sean>and i didnt hear myself
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21:43<q^p>sean, have to make sure that the mic is up also , or you have the right to use it
21:43<sean>the mic thing is all the way up
21:43<sean>how do i give myself permission
21:43<sean>do i have to run recorder as root?
21:44<q^p>not normaly
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21:46<q^p> cat /etc/group | grep voice
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21:47<q^p> cat /etc/group | grep audio
21:47<sean>sean@debian:~$ cat /etc/group|grep voice
21:47<sean>thats only result
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21:48<q^p>sean, add youself for example >> audio:x:29:qq
21:48<sean>so add sean to the end of that line?
21:49<q^p>to voice too
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21:50<sean>now try the recorder again?
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21:50<qq> sean yes
21:50<sean>nope nothing
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21:52<qq>sean, try a reboot first
21:52<sean>i will be right back
21:52<sean>thank you for your help so far hopefully this works :)
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21:56<seanz>qq did not work
21:56<seanz>i noticed tho that when i ran the recorder
21:56<seanz>it automatically puts the input to Mix instead of staying at microphone
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21:57<qq>seanz , i see
21:57<seanz>well i figured that out
21:57<seanz>got it to change to microphone
21:57<seanz>but it still doesnt do anything except static
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21:58<qq>seanz dunno than
21:58<qq>seanz sorry
21:59<qq>seanz are you using gnome ?
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21:59<seanz>yes i am
21:59<seanz>it is the default that loaded for me
22:00<qq> gnome-control-center
22:00<qq>> sound
22:02<seanz>still not working
22:03<seanz>one second
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22:04<qq>seanz you have to try some option
22:04<seanz>which option?
22:05<qq>have to try your self
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22:06<qq>seanz: it's depend on your harware
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22:07<seanz>dell soundmax
22:07<seanz>i think
22:07<asyrewicze>how do you define resolution within the new xorg packages??? dpkg-reconfigure only lets you change keyboard configuration.
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22:13<seanz>thank you qq for the help i am going to restart again
22:13<seanz>and mess with it a little
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22:36<Laeborg>hmm how to i get my soundcard to work?
22:37<Laeborg>i can see it on KInfoCenter
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22:38<witte>Laeborg: which card, and what do you see in KInfoCenter?
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22:39<acu>every time I reboot the computer - the network card gets new id eth0 1 ,2 ,3.,4 - and is not by default on - what is this - I use debian etch on AMD64
22:40<witte>Laeborg: what happens if you play a sound? do you get an error, or nothing?
22:40<Laeborg>Noatun is playing, but no sound at all
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22:41<Laeborg>i usign the PCI sound card
22:41<witte>Laeborg: is your mixer open (try alsamixer in a console to adjust settings)
22:42<dpkg>[z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
22:42<witte>acu: ^^
22:42<Laeborg>i have open a mixer now (kmix)
22:42<Laeborg>still no sound
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22:43<witte>Laeborg: mmm, ok that was the trivial stuff that could go wrong
22:43<witte>Laeborg: are you in the audio group?
22:44<witte>Laeborg: cat /etc/group |grep audio
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22:46<witte>!alsa checklist
22:46<witte>mmm, dpkg should tell us something about the alsa checklist :(
22:46<dpkg>i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
22:47<witte>Laeborg: well, the easy stuff I already mentioned, try going past that checklist
22:47<witte>Laeborg: is your soundcard very new btw?
22:48<Laeborg>no i think i buyed it 2-3 years ago, and already then it was a pretty old soundcard
22:49<witte>Laeborg: and you have an etch kernel?
22:49<Laeborg>what is that?
22:49<witte>Laeborg: which kernel do you have? uname -a
22:50<Laeborg>hmm i can remember i had many problems in openSUSE to get it to work
22:50<Laeborg>Linux laeborg-serv 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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22:50<witte>Laeborg: ah, if you remember how you got it to work, that would help up now :-)
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22:50<Laeborg>i can't :(
22:51<Laeborg>something with /dev/dsp i changed, i think
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22:52<witte>Laeborg: open a terminal, and run "lspci |grep -i audio"
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22:54<Laeborg>05:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
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23:00<Laeborg>how to see that alsa checklist thing again?
23:00<witte>!alsa checklist
23:00<dpkg>alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
23:00<Laeborg>how to i add my user to the audio group?
23:00<witte>Laeborg: you did plug the speakers in the correct plug, right?
23:00<Laeborg>yeah ofc :P
23:01<witte>Laeborg: but you have shown that earlier, you are already in that group
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23:01<witte>04:44 <Laeborg> audio:x:29:laeborg
23:01<Laeborg>i have just runned alsaconf
23:02<witte>Laeborg: and?
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23:02<Laeborg>"Now ALSA is ready to use."
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23:04<Laeborg>where can i find alsamixer?
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23:05<acu>does anyone knows about the ethernet card getting new id every time you reboot ?
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23:05<witte>Laeborg: in any case, try alsamixer as well (i know you tried kmix) but i once had that not all the possible mixer setting were displayed in every mixer
23:05<witte>and try to play something using aplay (i have a bunch of .wav files in /usr/share/sounds)
23:05<witte>Laeborg: it is in the alsa-utils package
23:05<witte>!tell acu about z25
23:05<witte>!tell acu about forcedeth
23:06<witte>acu: ignore the last one
23:06<witte>!tell acu about forcedeth mac
23:06<witte>acu: the last one should be better
23:07<Laeborg>and i have the alsa-utils pack?
23:07<Laeborg>yes i have
23:08<Laeborg>well i need to get some sleep. very late here ;)
23:08<witte>Laeborg: it is 5:08 here as well
23:09<witte>alsamixer should be in /usr/bin/alsamixer ...
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23:15<witte>acu: did that solve your problem?
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23:19<acu>witte: I just made the changes and I am going to reboot - let's see - thanks
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23:22<acu>sweeeeet - one down - eth did not change
23:22<acu>now I have to see if I can asign a static IP for local net
23:22<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
23:22<acu>that was another strange challenge
23:23<acu>I have some basic question - that you might laugh at me - how do you release an IP - in window$ is use ipconfig release all
23:24<witte>acu: you mean when you reboot, or now?
23:24<witte>acu: ifconfig eth0 down
23:24<acu>now - " I want it now ! I wanted all! - Queens :)
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23:28<acu>sweet witte !
23:28<acu>it works!
23:28<witte>acu: great
23:29<acu>I had my proftpd working fine and I need badly to allow someone to upload stuff - and now I am strugling again to make it work properly
23:29<witte>acu: of course there are a bunch of gui tools that would have allowed you to configure the network as well, but after all command line is much easier and neat
23:29<acu>witte: I did not find on network tools (though it maybe there)
23:30<witte>acu: the gui config thing? depends if you installed one
23:31<witte>acu: there is network-admin (part of the gnome-system-tools package) but there are several others
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23:34<acu>witte: another stupid question - do I need IPv6 on my intranet ?
23:35<witte>acu: i dont think so
23:35<witte>acu, btw, why do you use ftp?
23:35<witte>!ftp must die
23:35<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE!
23:35<acu>I can remove it from Networks settings Hostes
23:37<acu>I am trying to setup some ways to let computer illiterate people to upload some files - webdav still needs a client and so ftp - what is the best choice - if it was to be from a browser
23:37<gdiffey>doesn't windows support webdav nativly?
23:38<johanbr>Caesar: I read your blog post and thought it was a pretty odd question. "Hmm... what tool do tense people use for their changelogs? vim, maybe?"
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23:40<acu>witte nice article - but is not clear what to replace ftp with
23:40<witte>acu: maybe, i am not sure which protocol would be better.
23:40<witte>acu: in any case, it is 5:39 here, I'm going to bed
23:40<acu>good nite
23:40<acu> sleep tight
23:40<acu>many thanks
23:41<acu>you are somewhere in Europe then
23:41<witte>acu: no problem, good luck with your ftp server ;-)
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23:41<witte>yeah, belgium
23:41<acu>Power to the People of Belgium!
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23:58<phillipsjk>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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23:59<phillipsjk>sorry reading (and responding to) back-scroll.
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