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---Logopened Thu May 29 00:00:46 2008
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00:05<Paper>openssl vulnerability question: in order to completely compromise a system with the bad version of the openssl PRNG (may 13 vulnerability), you'd still need to know a valid username to connect, correct?
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00:08<phillipsjk>andrew: #aircrack-ng on Freenode. may be better able to answer that question. If I had to guess, I would expect it to work a lot like tcpdump. seems to confirm that.
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00:09<phillipsjk>Paper: have you sent your username out in the last 2 years?
00:10<Paper>phillipsjk: not really, but i'm just wondering, that's another piece that's needed too correct
00:11<phillipsjk>All those poepl using tor for the last 2 years are screwed :p (If they take tor seriously)
00:11<Paper>i've already fixed the problem
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00:11<phillipsjk>did you ask the bot about it?
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00:12<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
00:12<Paper>!dsa1571 jokes
00:13<Paper>guess it don't got jokes :(
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00:14<phillipsjk>! dsa1571 jokes
00:14<dpkg>For some light relief between changing your keys, see, or, or
00:15<phillipsjk>White space is significant?
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00:19<gef>phillipsjk, to some
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00:29<Nemoder>paper had extra ascii characters inserted that broke the trigger
00:30<gef>phillipsjk, since python
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00:47<razed>Hi guys. I'm trying to set up an IRC file server using my linux box. Having a little trouble though. I tried using irssi... little too l33t for me (above my head), so I'm now running SysReset with Wine. I can get the fserver turned on, and it's responding to triggers, yet when it tries to establish the DCC connection, it just sits on "Waiting for acknowledgment..." until it times out.
00:48<razed>Any suggestions?
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00:50<gnufan>How does Iceweasel settle on totem for WMA files - it insists the command it is using is "totem %s" is it configuration via a menu, or do I need to hack the prefs file or something. I believe "vlc" will play the file I'm trying to play.
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00:50<gnufan>File is "mms://·..wma"
00:50<tcp->vlc should do the trick :p
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00:51<gnufan>tcp-: Yes but how to launch - the file is launched by javascript, and I only get the name of the launch an application dialogue (which doesn't seem to allow cut and paste - sign)
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00:52<tcp->oh sorry thought you were just trying to play WMA (quick look! :D)
00:53<Nemoder>razed: you might try xchat, it's pretty easy to configure the DCC ports in the GUI
00:53<gnufan>tcp-: sorry - only get the URI in the launcher dialog. Can't cut and paste from GNOME (surely there is a way to do that - windows has a magic key that allows that). It is a rather unmemorable URL....
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00:53<razed>I heard about xchat, it was actually my next option. :)
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00:53<tcp->razed irc clients?
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00:53<razed>Yes, here was my question:
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00:54<razed>Hi guys. I'm trying to set up an IRC file server using my linux box. Having a little trouble though. I tried using irssi... little too l33t for me (above my head), so I'm now running SysReset with Wine. I can get the fserver turned on, and it's responding to triggers, yet when it tries to establish the DCC connection, it just sits on "Waiting for acknowledgment..." until it times out.
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00:56<razed>Holy hell, I just fixed it
00:56<Nemoder>gnufan: this might be overkill for what you're trying to do but it works for me:
00:56<razed>Um... never mind then :)
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01:03<gnufan>Nemoder: Thanks - found someone else complaining same. It is kicking of the gnome default for mms, and the way to configure it is gconf (yuk).... Why is this worse that windows I wonder.....
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01:19<tcp->irc is dead these days, :/
01:19<tcp->i really miss the old bbs days tbh
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01:23<tcp->all by myself
01:24<p_quarles>tcp-, the more active #debian channel is on freenode
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03:09<Bert->hell here
03:10<Bert->I put a debian on a old sun netra T1
03:10<Bert->Is some tools to get lom info ?
03:10<Bert->s/hell/hello :)
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03:14<dpkg>hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on, or
03:14<jm_>try asking there
03:17<Bert->thx :)
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03:25<jm_>AFAIK our sparc servers with built-in LOM can be just telneted to or so
03:25<jm_>and some have a serial port for it, but I wouldn't bet on this since I never bothered using it
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03:26<Laeborg>any good programs to burning .iso files?
03:29<jm_>it would rather depend on whether you want GUI stuff, or if command line is required which media type is to be used and so on
03:29<Laeborg>i want some GUI stuff
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03:30<jm_>try k3b
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04:26<enkrypt>what is the way to install the full gnome suite in debian sid? i try to install "gnome" as a package, but fails because of broken deps.
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04:52<ali3n0>enkrypt: that should be the right way
04:52<ali3n0>enkrypt: are u using aptitude?
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04:53<somae7>a hacker seems to be using my computer and email server - not sure if there's an open relay - it might be related to mixmaster
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05:01<crt>is anyone else experiencing focus problems with testing versions of iceweasel / icedove?
05:03<jm_>what kind of focus problems?
05:03<crt>oddly erratic, but if for example I open a terminal window, return focus to the search box, the caret flashes there, but when I type, it's still in the terminal window.
05:04<Nemoder>no such problem here, what window manager do you use?
05:06<crt>Ok, the problem is broader than I thought, it just seems most noticeable with those apps. Gnome/Metacity. Might be something in there, I'll check BTS (already looked for iceweasel).
05:06<jm_>that sounds more like a window manager issue
05:07<Nemoder>most window managers have an option to change focus depending on the mouse position, might check if that is turned on
05:07<crt>thanks, will do.
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05:10<patric>hey guys! I want to send messages with syslog as mail. I thougt about saving it in a file and then mail them with a script...Im looking for other ideas.
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05:26<dataangel>well i have transpartent windows now and some wierd issues ... xcfe4-terminal will not start up, in fact it forces (or crashes) the xserver and causes it to restart
05:27<dataangel>i mean it causes the xserver to restart, it the equivalment of pressing ctrl-alt-backspace
05:27<Nemoder>what video driver?
05:27<dataangel>my password prompts are weird to
05:27<dataangel>intel i810
05:27<Nemoder>composite might be a bit much for that
05:27<dataangel>only the password entry box appears until you place the mouse over the various elements of the window
05:28<dataangel>i looked at the man page for x only to find that the error log it mentions in the man page does not exist
05:29<Nemoder>errors should show up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or Xorg.0.log.old if you've already restarted once
05:30<dataangel>nemoder: it works great on xubuntu
05:30<dataangel>let me look at the file you metioned
05:30<Nemoder>are you running etch?
05:30<dataangel>no lenny now
05:30<dataangel>very nice apart from those weird issues
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05:31<Nemoder>if X is crashing it's usually a problem with the video driver, perhaps xubuntu has a different version of it
05:32<dataangel>xmms is gone... :( , it dosent function well with lenny at all on my system , the windows get stuck and become unresponsive, it finsihes playing it current song and does nothing afterwards i removed it and am using audicous which is almost as nice but i miss my effect plugin
05:32<dataangel>defx to be precise .
05:32<dataangel>wierd a xterm is just blank
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05:40<dataangel>sorry about that
05:41<dataangel>my terminal quit all the sudden???
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05:43<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>In GNOME's Alt+Tab, how do I increase the icon that appear on each row from 5 to 10?
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05:46<dataangel>sorry back again
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05:47<dataangel>grr. thats that ghost window again
05:48<dataangel>does not respond to anythin
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05:49<Nemoder>dataangel: audacious-plugins-extra has some of the features of defx
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05:53<dataangel>thanks nemoder: i am posting zee error message on zee web site
05:53<dataangel>hang on
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05:57<dataangel>thats the error from var/log/x whatever
05:58*dataangel is looking at plugins-extra
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06:05<Nemoder>dataangel: what is your default color depth for xorg?
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06:12<mikes>hello. does anyone use irqbalance in debian unstable amd64?
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06:13<mikes>i have a problem with it. the daemon does not start. if anyone is having the same issue, please inform me, so that i send a bug report
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06:17<jm_>chck the bts
06:17<dataangel>nemoder: 24
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06:17<Nemoder>dataangel: try turning it down to 16
06:17<dataangel>hmmm.. intresting
06:18*dataangel crosses his fingers, i sloved the ghost window issue, dumb user troubleshooting error
06:18<Nemoder>dataangel: seems older versions of ubuntu had the same problem:
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06:19<dataangel>i wish i knew where the update manager disappered to
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06:23<dataangel>hmmm. i cant seem to do that using the xcfe setting manager. and i am in xterm for a change, i usually do things on the command line. - note to self- install a console windowing enviroment
06:24<Nemoder>if xterms aren't working you can always use a virtual console with ctrl+alt+f2 etc
06:25<dataangel>xterms are working fine now, but there appears to be no way to set the color depth in xcfe settings manager
06:26<dataangel>if i have to shut down x windows to configure x then that would mean i have to logout of irc and my ssh session
06:26<Nemoder>yes, you'll have to restart X to change the depth in any case
06:26<dataangel>i miss my copy and zee paste
06:26<dataangel>oh well
06:27<dataangel>be back soon
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06:45<dataangel>that was intresting
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06:47<dataangel>nemoder: i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-core or something and never got asked about the resloution, depth , etc , etc but i am typing in xcfe4 terminal as we speak. very odd
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06:47<Nemoder>dataangel: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
06:47<dataangel>it only asked me about my keyboard and mouse and left me to my own devices
06:47<dataangel>very strange
06:47<Nemoder>just search for DefaultDepth
06:48<jm_>newer version don't do that anymore, they rely on autoconfig to figure it out
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06:48<gizmokaka>hello to you all
06:49<dataangel>very odd and strange
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06:49<gizmokaka>I am having a problem creating a vpn connection to a remote computer at work
06:49<gizmokaka>I am using kvpnc
06:49<dataangel>i wonder if that weird password window issue thingy is fixed
06:49<gizmokaka>i seem to be able to connect, since it sais i am connected
06:50<gizmokaka>but..... i can't ping any computer on the remove network
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06:50<gizmokaka>accept one
06:50<gizmokaka>how come?
06:50<gizmokaka>what am i doing wrong?
06:50<gizmokaka>by the way i am using the pptp protocol since I am connection to a windows maching
06:51<gizmokaka>as my vpn server, and from there try to route to my linux maching at work
06:51<dataangel>oh s--t, my desktop is gone
06:51<dataangel>hang on
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06:52<gizmokaka>so can anyone help me?
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06:52<friedln>gizmokaka: is your linux machine aware of the vpn subnet (route)?
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06:52<gizmokaka>friedln, what do you mean?
06:53<friedln>you have a subnet A forr VPn an your standard subnet B at work, where your linux box is in.
06:53<sheldonh>meh, new sig? BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1
06:54<friedln>does your linux box jnow anything about the VPN subnet?
06:54<peio>i dont know
06:54<gizmokaka>I am sorry i am not that strong into linux networking
06:54<gizmokaka>i don't understand what you ask me
06:54<gizmokaka>can please explain a bit more since i am novice
06:55<gizmokaka>you mean my work linux?
06:55<friedln>your linux box and your windows box ar in a subnet, say
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06:55<nevyn>friedln: a pptp windows endpoint results in being given a lan IP address (usually)
06:55<peio>i want help about recompile driver in debian
06:55<nevyn>but this isn't really about debian. it's about windows routing and vpn stuff.. mostly ;)
06:56<friedln>on your windows box, the vpn server you should have at least 2 networks. one is your default network, the other the network for your vpn
06:56<nevyn>friedln: that's not how it tends to work in windows land
06:56<nevyn>friedln: really.
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06:56<gizmokaka>so nevyn, and friedln , how do i make the connection?
06:57<nevyn>well for big sites it works that way but for little sites with one or tow servers you have an endpoint on the Domain controller that then gives you an ip address in the same subnet as the office lan
06:57<gizmokaka>the ip i recieve is know by me, and it's the only one i can ping
06:57<jm_>peio: why would you?
06:57<friedln>nevyn: agree to that. we do have a different subnet from where vpn clients receive their ip addresses and that subnet has to be routed
06:58<gizmokaka>so how do i route it?
06:58<nevyn>friedln: but it really depends on the setup of the network he's connecting to.
06:58<friedln>so this seems to depends on network design.
06:58<nevyn>friedln: you don't know for sure that he's in a different subnet to his linux machine.
06:58<friedln>so we actually agree, i guess.
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06:58<friedln>so doesn't he either... ;)
06:58<gizmokaka>just a minute guys
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06:59<gizmokaka>in windows it's simple, i created a vpn connection to my vpn server address i guess
06:59<gizmokaka>then i was routed in, and could participate in my work network activity
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07:00<gizmokaka>what am i supposed to do in debian for it to work
07:01<gizmokaka>nevyn: ??????????
07:01<gizmokaka>friedln, ?????????????
07:01<friedln>try to ping the vpn side ip address on the windows gateway
07:02<friedln>if ping is allowed.
07:02<friedln>this really could be anything/
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07:02<gizmokaka>ping is allowed
07:03<gizmokaka>which address you wan't me to ping?
07:03<gizmokaka>i say it says i am connected
07:03<gizmokaka>only i can't ping inner network machines
07:03<friedln>would you mind naming your addresses?
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07:05<gizmokaka>i can't say the real one of course
07:06<nevyn>gizmokaka: have you succesfully created a pptp connection?
07:06<gizmokaka>but say my static outer address for vpn is
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07:06<gizmokaka>it says i am connected, how do i create a route that will work?
07:07<nevyn>gizmokaka: check that your routing table (route -n) has a route to the work_lan range that travels via the pptp interface
07:07<nevyn>if not do
07:08<gizmokaka>how do i create the relevant route?
07:08<gizmokaka>give me a minute i will be back
07:08<nevyn>route add -net work_network netmask worknetmask gw ip_of_otherendofpptplink
07:09<gizmokaka>say something like route add -net netmask 24 gw ?
07:10<nevyn>route add -net netmask gw
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07:13<CSpaceMatrix>hey fellows
07:14<CSpaceMatrix>i have a weird issue on my laptop
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07:15<CSpaceMatrix>the problem is i don't have any sound out of my system
07:15<slxix>what model?
07:16<CSpaceMatrix>the sound card/chip is detected and obviously working
07:16<CSpaceMatrix>hp tx 1000
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07:16<CSpaceMatrix>but when i play a music i don't hear anything but music is going
07:17<CSpaceMatrix>the tx models have several hot keys around the monitor and the mute keys is on
07:17<CSpaceMatrix>but b/c the hot keys are not working in linux, i can't press it to off it
07:17<CSpaceMatrix>i checked all the mixers and they are fine
07:18<jm_>also unmuted?
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07:19<gizmokaka>nevyn, sorry help my dad with something
07:19<gizmokaka>i will disconnect to check it
07:19<gizmokaka>and return to say thanks if it work, or keep asking if not :)
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07:20<CSpaceMatrix>i select my sound card from the mixers menu and change the volumes but still looks like it's working but muted
07:21<jm_>changing the volume != unmuting, run amixer scontents
07:21<jm_>check [on] / [off] part
07:21<CSpaceMatrix>i did but still muted
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07:23<CSpaceMatrix>i just need to somehow press that hot key to unmute it
07:23<jm_>that dosn't change anything, it merely lists current status ...
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07:23<CSpaceMatrix>yeah i know, i checked the status with alsamixer too
07:24<CSpaceMatrix>everything looks normal
07:24<jm_>does it say on for all of them?
07:24<slxix>CSpaceMatrix: reference
07:24<CSpaceMatrix>but off only for mic
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07:24<jm_>that should be fine - did you try passing model=hp to your sound driver?
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07:25<CSpaceMatrix>what do u mean?
07:25<jm_>I mean what I said - your sound driver has "model" optioin
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07:27<CSpaceMatrix>i think i did
07:27<jm_>how did you do that?
07:27<CSpaceMatrix>it's definitely hda and i checked the modules and they are loaded
07:28<jm_>but is it loaded with this option?
07:28<arthur_>question? is lenny the next generation debian?
07:29<jm_>arthur_: it's going to be the next stable release
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07:30<arthur_>how far off is it if you dont mind me asking?
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07:30<slxix>arthur_: i think there's a pool you can join for guessing the release date.
07:32<jm_>!lenny pool 1
07:32<dpkg>[lenny pool 1] ! brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15
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07:32<tedp>is gnome in testing known to be broken at the moment?
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07:34<CSpaceMatrix_>damn! sorry i got disconnected
07:35<CSpaceMatrix_>i think i didnt get ur last text jm
07:35<jm_>tedp: someone complained about sid earlier
07:35<jm_>would be surprised if it reached testing like that
07:35<tedp>this machine was etch/sid
07:35<tedp>so probably the same thing
07:35<jm_>CSpaceMatrix_: <jm_> but is it loaded with this option?
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07:36<CSpaceMatrix>umm... what option jm? how can i check that out?
07:37<jm_>CSpaceMatrix: try dmesg|grep model
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07:44<tedp>my situation has improved by downgrading to etch's libgtk2.0-0, although one user still gets a blank desktop when logging in
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07:53<tedp>ok, seems to work. #1, boot with 'nosplash' (disable usplash) so the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver can actually draw to the screen (instead of being blank), then downgrade gtk2-engines-pixbuf, libgtk2.0-bin and libgtk2.0-0 by installing the etch versions.
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07:55<enouf>!hello > Steffo
07:55<enouf>!welcome Steffo
07:55<Maulkin>dpkg: ping
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08:14<noflash>english in here please
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08:30<peio>Hi, I need help about recompile drivers
08:31<peio>more exactly, I want recompile the serial/8250 driver
08:31<nilsb>hi, all, I've installed Etch with an old network card (3com) wich ins'nt see by Debian till the install is finished and the PC rebooted, so I plug an other network card (d-link), but, the module seems not to be loaded, no network, how can I check all this ? thanks for help
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08:34<peio>jm_: I'm developing a PCI-16550UART on FPGA and I've a bug. I need change the source code on 8250.c to find the bug
08:35<nilsb>with lspci I have 2 ethernet controler, maybe the D-Link card, and the mother board ethernet controler, one is : unknown device 1969:1048 the other is : Via Tech VT86C100A
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08:36<nilsb>and I have a VIA_rhine module loaded (lsmod)
08:36<jm_>peio: get source code, change it, install module, load it ...
08:36<jm_>!tell nilsb -about which driver
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08:37<nilsb>please, what does mean " !tell" I know what tell means, but !tell ? I don't
08:37<jm_>read what dpkg told you
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08:39<enouf>nilsb: run update-pciids and update-usbids
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08:42<nilsb>enouf, it's done but, does'nt work, => inconsistency detected by /// download failed
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08:47<eljefe>How can I use ddrescue or dd_rescue to recover from a SATA drive that isn't recognized? The drive has a lot of read errors and IO errors at boot, and isn't listed in /dev/sdX anywhere
08:47<jm_>you can't
08:48<eljefe>is there any way to have the kernel ignore connected drives at boot up to allow for this to work?
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08:49<eljefe>or to allow for me to attempt it?
08:50<jm_>but how could ignoring it help?
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08:50<ali3n0>eljefe: try some kind of partiotioning live cd, such as clonzilla or something, clone the disk on another one, and then try to recover data
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08:51<eljefe>Not sure how it would help :) Live CDs and my Debian install both give a lot of errors at boot up, I don't expect the LiveCD to be any more successful, would you?
08:52<petemc>does the bios recognise it?
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08:53<eljefe>not sure about the BIOS, I'd have to reboot for that; I can do that but would like to test more. Is there any way to access the data/drive in an unsafe way, to somehow force the system to attempt to read it?
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08:56<eljefe>or, would booting the system and then attaching the drive (say, via a USB interface?) help in any way?
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08:58<jm_>eljefe: unlikely
08:58<jm_>what errors does it report?
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09:02<eljefe>the drive isn't in FSTAB at all
09:02<jm_>yeah it can't read sector 0 - fstab doesn't really matter
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09:03<eljefe>now I see in dmesg, "[sdc] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
09:03<eljefe>like it started 'working'
09:03<eljefe>I'm going to reboot; maybe it was *too* frozen before?
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09:04<jm_>no don't reboot - it was just spending ages giving up on reading sector 0
09:04<ali3n0>jm_: too late :)
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09:12<eljefe>no luck there.
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09:13<eljefe>So the kernel cannot read Sector 0; can't i have it pretend like its OK and read the disk backwards, from Sector 99999 or whatever?
09:14<jm_>just let it continue long enough and see what happens - the fact that it mentioned sdc suggests it gave up and you could possibly see the device in /sys/block
09:15<eljefe>ooh, i know nothing about /sys/block what would i use to read that data?
09:15<enouf>nilsb: oh, you're within the installer? i'm pretty sure you can alt-f2 and get a shell, and modprobe the needed module, if all else fails, try "/msg dpkg etchnhalf"
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09:17<Ridikuel>Hallo... Wie kann ich am elegantesten bei Postfix nur einem (ipw-bekannten) Host verbieten, nach extern zu relayen? Lokal soll er senden dürfen.
09:17<witte> !de
09:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:17<nilsb>enouf, no, the install was done, but no netork, well, I just reinstall it, it's near the end, I think, it will work, next step will be upgrade the kernel to 2.6.21 or above to get the mother board network card running
09:18<enouf>nilsb: here's what says ;
09:18<Ridikuel>Sorry, 's/ipw/ip/
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09:18<enouf>nilsb: do; grep '1969\ .*1048' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
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09:18<jm_>stuff in /sys is a bunch of text files and similar, just poke arround with ls cat etc.
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09:19<enouf>nilsb: you'er sure the mobo network card needs better than .18-6 ?
09:19<eljefe>but, do any of them refer to the whole device, like something i could use with dd_rescue ?
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09:19<nilsb>ok, thank you for info, well, I have to wait the install is finished, now
09:19<enouf>nilsb: you didn't give a pccid for that one
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09:21<jm_>eljefe: no
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09:21<enouf>eljefe: i wasn't following your issue - but perhaps your BIOS Anitvirus, or Boot sector protection is messing you up?
09:22<nilsb>I've been told few days ago, I should upgrade the kernel to get my L1 network card work, but, if there is a way to check before upgrading, I would be glad to check
09:22<nilsb>well, now Grub doesn't want to set up, any idea ?
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09:22<eljefe>jm_ thats frustrating... well then, what good would poking in /sys/block/ do if i cannot eventually get the data? enouf, no but thanks for the idea; the drive died on another machine and I am attempting a rescue....
09:22<enouf>nilsb: the pciid URL info refers to the one you gave us [1969:1048], not sure which card you think that is
09:23<jm_>eljefe: uhm if it shows there it should also be visible in /dev
09:23<nilsb>no, this is all right, it's that one !
09:23<nilsb>but, now I'm re installing the system, and Grub doesn't want to be installed !
09:24<nilsb>can I check something in a shell screen ?
09:24<enouf>you can also tell the kernel to ignore certain drives on boot, with kernel boot params, duobt that's helpful though
09:24<eljefe>well it is in /sys/block but not in /dev/sdX at all; you think i can wait it out and it may populate, jm_ ?
09:24<jm_>enouf: even for libata? I thought that feature doesn't exist yet
09:24<enouf>nilsb: alt-f4
09:24<jm_>eljefe: can you see model number and all that in /sys?
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09:25<enouf>jm_: pretty sure it does, though might only be hdX related?
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09:25<jm_>enouf: hdX is not used by libata
09:25<eljefe>in newer kernels, i think all drives are now sdX and no more hdX
09:25<enouf>jm_: yes it is, sometimes
09:25<jm_>no, that depends on how you configure the kernel
09:25<nilsb>well, running grup-install --recheck --no-floppy "(hd0)" failed
09:25<jm_>enouf: like?
09:26<enouf>how you configure the kernel and version
09:26<eljefe>in /sys/block/ i can read the size, the capability, the range... but nothing that is very helpful AFAIK
09:26<jm_>enouf: no, give me an example of a driver that is using libata and whose device ends up a real IDE device, not just a name which is actually a SCSI device
09:26<enouf>check cat /proc/scsi/scsi eljefe , fwiw
09:27<jm_>eljefe: then it probably didn't add it because reading sector 0 fails
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09:27<eljefe>enouf: yes, it is listed there. jm_ no way to ignore Sector 0 ?
09:28<enouf>jm_: all i know is i've seen many dmesgs where libata was being used for certain drives and not others where the system also has hdX drives listed and working
09:28<nilsb>I had those troubles before, and manage to setup grub by hand, I found out I have to give the hexa # of the boot disc, but, this was for an scsi drive for wich one the scsi bios gave me the hexa #, but this time its an IDE drive, and the BIOS of my PCI IDE card does not give me any hexa #
09:28<jm_>eljefe: hmm I am not aware of it
09:28<enouf>jm_: other than that - now i'll go find you the kernel params i mean
09:28<eljefe>no way to read raw data from scsi3 or /sys/blocl/sdc/ or any way like that? it has to come from /dev/scX ?
09:28<jm_>enouf: yes, it's pretty natural to use both, but it still means the hdX ones are *not* using libata
09:29<jm_>eljefe: yes, you need to use device files to access it
09:29<jm_>but I find it odd it mentions sdc without device file
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09:30<jm_>probably first mentions it and then removes it (just a wild guess)
09:30<eljefe>could be
09:30<jm_>that will not help him at all, that is ide, not libata
09:30<enouf>jm_: oh, is that what you meant? i misunderstood
09:30<jm_>unless it's really an IDE drive which is using libata driver
09:30<jm_>but I have to run now
09:31<eljefe>ok thanks jm_!
09:31<enouf>jm_: so a pata_xxx driver?
09:31<jm_>so if it is IDE just make sure you use IDE drivers and try the above
09:31<jm_>enouf: ask him for details ;)
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09:31<enouf>hehe - anyways, here's the list
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09:31<eljefe>i wouldn't know how to change its drivers
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09:32<eljefe>beauty of linux, i suppose -- too many things work out of the box :)]
09:32<enouf>eljefe: yes, you can read which is which using info from /proc/scsi/scsi and comparing with the specific /sys/bus/scsi/... one second
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09:33<enouf>eljefe: for ex; ls -l /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/0\:0\:1\:0/
09:33<enouf>you might see a line like; lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 17 14:38 block -> ../../../../../block/sda
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09:34<rootkit_t>anyone know how to mv some dir to overwrite other with the same name?is it impossible in linux shell?
09:34<enouf>the 0\:0\:1\:0 corresponds to the /proc/scsi/scsi info, and could very well be something else
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09:34<enouf>the \ are needed to escape the :
09:34<eljefe>yes, I have found it enouf, but now what?
09:35<enouf>eljefe: you were looking for a /dev/name?
09:35<nilsb>grub does want to be installed because, when, in rescue mode, I mount /boot, the system answers that /dev/hda1 is not a valid bloc device, well ???
09:35<eljefe>driver -> ../../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd
09:35<enouf>no, that's not it
09:35<eljefe>no, i know the name... I am trying to access it but it isn't populating /dev/
09:35<enouf>eljefe: try udevtrigger, ps aux | grep udevd
09:35<eljefe>i know thats not the /dev/name but its the driver; weren't you discussing drivers?
09:36<enouf>you don't know the name, it's not sd
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09:36<rootkit_t>anyone know how to mv some dir to overwrite other with the same name?is it impossible in linux shell?
09:36<enouf>rootkit_t: mv has a force option, IIRC
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09:36<enouf>just rename the other one 1st ;-)
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09:37<eljefe>mv -f /first/dir/path /overwrite/path
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09:37<eljefe>or man mv :)
09:37<enouf>nihil: /dev/hda, not hda1
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09:37<enouf>sorry nihil i meant nilsb
09:38<nihil>nvm ;)
09:38<nilsb>pas de mal
09:38<enouf>habla inglese
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09:39<nilsb>entiendes ?
09:39<enouf>por favor ;-0
09:39<rootkit_t>mv: cannot overwrite directory
09:39<rootkit_t>noone in there even tred that?
09:39<nilsb>nose como se dice "pas de mal" en ingles, maybe no hurt ?
09:39<enouf>rootkit_t: within same partition?
09:40<eljefe>rootkit_t: maybe, being a rootkit and all, you've changed the filesystem permissions?
09:40<eljefe>nilsb: pas de mal doesn't appear Spanish to me :)
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09:40<enouf>eljefe: heh, i'm thinking nfs mount on a remote share :-p
09:40<rootkit_t>maybe you should try it in your machine
09:41<nilsb>well, I can tell there are some very strange thing in there, I couldn't mount /boot, in rescue mode, I ve just reboot, and now it works !!!
09:41<enouf>and mounted ro
09:41<eljefe>take advice from a person named rootkit?? nah <g>
09:41<enouf>remember though - with a slice of _t
09:42<eljefe>ok i am going to reboot into SystemRecueCD, see if that has something special. Thanks all, I'll be back.
09:43<nilsb>I don't have any menu...? in /boot/grub , how can I make it easaly ?
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09:45<enouf>nilsb: you have no menu.lst ?
09:45<rootkit_t>mv -f /home/nojiken/patch/01 /home/nojiken/
09:45<rootkit_t>mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/nojiken/'
09:45<nilsb>exactly, I do not have any menu.lst
09:45<enouf>nilsb: i bet it's on another HDD :-p
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09:45<rootkit_t>seems all newbie here?
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09:45<enouf>rootkit_t: permissions? attributes?
09:46<nilsb>nobody's perfect ...
09:46<rootkit_t>but your shoul not say you sure something you never tryed
09:47<enouf>nilsb: if not man update-grub
09:47<enouf>update-grub (8) - program to generate GRUB's menu.lst file
09:47<nilsb>well the only menu.lst I've found is in .../examples
09:47<enouf>rootkit_t: who? what?
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09:49<nilsb>thanks enouf !, it worked, I have now a menu.lst
09:49<nilsb>well, I reboot to see if it boots now ...
09:49<enouf>nilsb: heh
09:49<nilsb>wait ?
09:49<enouf>nilsb: make sure /etc/fstab is correct, and
09:49<enouf>nilsb: and menu.lst entries are correct, and even /
09:50<nilsb>fstab looks good
09:50<enouf>nilsb: how many system HDDs?
09:50<tedp>is this grub-legacy (0.9x) or grub "2" (1.9x / grub-pc)?
09:50<nilsb>device map looks good as well
09:50<enouf>tedp: good question, but i think it's etch, so 0.97
09:51<nilsb>I don't know how to check wich grub it is ?
09:51<tedp>if it's etch it's grub legacy
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09:51<tedp>just that grub "2" doesn't have menu.lst
09:51<enouf>tedp: tell me about the grub-pc nomenclature, never heard that one yet
09:51<nilsb>there is 4 HD, connected to a PCI / IDE card
09:51<tedp>grub-pc is the grub 2 package for x86 machines
09:52<nilsb>it's Etch
09:52<tedp>there's grub-efi or something like that for other archs
09:52<enouf>nilsb: ok, well, grub gets finicky once you start rearranging boot device drive order in BIOS
09:52<rootkit_t>enouf all permissions are 777 any all Create by one same user
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09:52<enouf>rootkit_t: FStypes are?
09:53<enouf>tedp: ok, gotcha, thanks
09:53<enouf>rootkit_t: is one mounted ro?
09:53<nilsb>what I don't understand, is why the installer could not install grub completky by itself
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09:53<enouf>rootkit_t: and note; xattributes are not standard perms like 777
09:53<enouf>rootkit_t: man chattr and lsattr for more about that
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09:54<nilsb>only CDROM drive are ro
09:54<rootkit_t>enouf are you make sure you can do this in your machine?
09:54<enouf>rootkit_t: do what? overwrite a dir? sure
09:55<rootkit_t>enouf overwirte a dir with samename sour in shell?
09:55<enouf>i answered, now your turn
09:56<nilsb>so I reboot, and grub does not load any system, I have the grub shell now
09:56<enouf>not to mention; mv -f /home/nojiken/patch/01 /home/nojiken/ is not same name
09:56<rootkit_t>enouf omg...
09:56<enouf>nilsb: hrm, well, are you booting off a pci card?
09:56<rootkit_t>enouf your a really a newbie
09:56<enouf>rootkit_t: ok, into the b0z0 box you go - buh bai
09:56<rootkit_t>enouf 01 is a dir
09:57<nilsb>off ?, all my HD are connected to a PCI card, yes
09:57<rootkit_t>enouf and /home/nojiken/ have a dir with the same name
09:57<enouf>nilsb: none connected to the motherboard IDE Channels?
09:57<enouf>or you have none .. heh
09:57<nilsb>but, it has allready worked
09:58<enouf>ok, well, does your BIOS allow you to set/swap the boot drive order?
09:58<nilsb>yes it does
09:58<enouf>nilsb: perhaps your # groot= entry is wrong in menu.lst
09:58<rootkit_t>anyone know how to mv some dir to overwrite other with the same name?is it impossible in linux shell?
09:58<Pape1>does the underscore in front of people
09:58<Pape1>does the underscore in front of people's name mean they're away?
09:59<enouf>thorazine shuffle? :-P
09:59<nilsb>but, grub starts, as I have the grub shell after booting, so, /boot/grug looks to work, but the system does not load
09:59<enouf>not necessariy no
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10:00<nilsb>how could I find the HD hexa # of a drive ?
10:00<enouf>nilsb: right, so, is /boot/grub populated with all the stage files as well? are you booting off a partition? or the MBR?
10:00<enouf>nilsb: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* is one way, fdisk -l is another
10:01<nilsb>grub is populated, I don't know how to check if I 'm booting off a partition or MBR ?
10:02<enouf>nilsb: your grub menu.lst entries determine what you're trying to boot off of
10:02<nilsb>rebooting in rescue mode ...
10:03<enouf>nilsb: is that a PCI SATA Card? i mean are all your drives PATA, or SATA?
10:03<nilsb>all drive are PATA
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10:05<enouf>nilsb: what card is that? HighPoint? Promise? ..other? i mean, are you sure you have the Controller driver's support loaded in your initrd?
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10:05<nilsb>well, I don't know what card is it, but it has allready worked
10:06<enouf>worked with?
10:06<nilsb>well fdisk -l says cannot open /proc/partitions
10:06<enouf>nilsb: hrm, your system is messed :-P
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10:07<nilsb>messed ?, like something you put in a shaker ?
10:07<enouf>nilsb: is /proc/ mounted? and are you root? are you in rescue boot from installer?
10:07<enouf>nilsb: no, messed, in like dirty pants O_o
10:07<nilsb>I'm in rescue from installer
10:08<enouf>ok, why?
10:08<nilsb>ok for messed
10:08<enouf>you can do things from grub shell - be we didn't get to that yet - not without info from you
10:09<nilsb>what kind of info do you need ?
10:09<enouf>i have most of it now, but you booted into rescue
10:10<nilsb>would you prefer grub shell than rescue shell ?
10:10<enouf>yep - for now, and which is you boot drive? hda ? and do you have a boot partition? where? hda?
10:11<nilsb>something I didn't tell, is this is an AMD64 Debian
10:11<enouf>also note; i may be called away real soon
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10:11<enouf>that's ok, amd64 arch - so long as you have a 64bit CPU :-P
10:12<enouf>and your install is amd64, and installer matches
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10:12<nilsb>yes I have a 64bits CPU
10:12<nilsb>yes all is 64bits
10:13<nilsb>ls -l /dev/disk/by-* says no such file or dir
10:15<witte>nilsb: do you have udev installed?
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10:15<nilsb>ii udev 0.105-4
10:16<witte>nilsb: strange
10:17<nilsb>ha ?, vim tells that bterm is missing, and then it doesn't work well, how can I setup bterm ?
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10:19<nilsb>because I would like to change (hd0,0) by (0x80,0)
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10:19<nilsb>and as the terminal is not good I cannot write where I want
10:19<witte>bterm seems to be in the bogl-bterm package, but i doubt that is in the installer
10:19<witte>nilsb: just use nano
10:20<nilsb>ok !
10:20<nilsb>same : error opening terminal : bterm
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10:21<witte>nilsb: just googling, and it seems that is a quite common error
10:21<witte>nilsb: just type exit once and you'll be able to use the nano command, when finished do chroot /target again
10:22<witte>nilsb: ^^ from an ubuntu forum
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10:22<nilsb>ok I try
10:23<witte>nilsb: you have internet access on an other pc i guess? if that does not work, just google a bit for the bterm error, i just took the first thing that i found...
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10:24<nilsb>well, it works !, after exiting the chroot, nano works well, but vim or vi does not start
10:24<witte>probably they are just not available in the installer...
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10:28<nilsb>well changing (hd0,0) to (0x80,0) didn't work, it worked when I try with scsi drive, the fist was 0x80, but now I don't know what 0x is set for the fist PATA drive
10:29<nilsb>rebooting in rescue mode ...
10:29<enouf>nilsb: wait
10:29<enouf>nilsb: reboot into grub shell
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10:29<nilsb>erm ???
10:30<nilsb>I am in grub shell
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10:31<enouf>ok, do root (hd<tab>
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10:32<enouf>nilsb: and what does grep groot /boot/grub/menu.lst say? .. and how about you answer my other questions
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10:34<nilsb>hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3 for root (hd<tab>
10:34<enouf>great, so you have 4 grub installations, no wonder it's confused :-P
10:35<enouf>nilsb: do find /boot/grub/stage1
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10:35<enouf>(which is good to do for RAIDed drives)
10:35<nilsb>cannot do grep... no linux shell
10:36<nilsb>=> file not found
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10:36<enouf>yeah, nm the grep for now, use 'e' or 'c' (or whatever) to get into menu.lst and look
10:36<nilsb>yes I tryed to setup RAID via the PCI IDE card, but Linux didn't seem to like it
10:36<enouf>nilsb: do find /boot/grub/stage1
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10:37<nilsb>file not found for find /boot/grub/stage1
10:38<nilsb>should I restard in rescue mode and start grub to get grub shell in rescue mode ?
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10:39<enouf>do root (hd0,0) (if that's your /boot partition you want to boot from)
10:39<enouf>now do setup (hd0)
10:40<nilsb>answer that filesystem is ... looks good
10:40<nilsb>looks good as well
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10:40<nilsb>reboot ?
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10:41<nilsb>ok ...
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10:43<nilsb>it boots !, but, waiting for root file system ... !
10:44<nilsb>I think I have to check menu.lst again
10:44<nilsb>restarting rescue mode ...
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10:48<Zathraz>Hi. In IceApe in Lenny I get wierd sorting of mails on date. In european dateformat it not only displays but also sorts by day-month-year
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10:49<Zathraz>any hints on how to solve this?
10:49<nilsb>well, the line I changed, was still to (0x80,0) so I put it back to (hd0,0) and restart
10:49<enouf>nilsb: waiting for rootfs is likely your controller, or fs module needs to be loaded from your initrd, or =y in your kernel
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10:50<nilsb>well, it works now, after switching (0x80,0) by (hd0,0)
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10:51<nilsb>but it looks like I have some troubles with PATA drive,
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10:51<nilsb>I would like to try to setup xorg and gnome, it would be easyer then to copy and paste
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10:52<franck>hi to all
10:53<franck>i have a problem, when I start gdm appears a blank disk icon on the desktop even there isn't any cd into the drive...
10:54<franck>the right click and eject function don't run..
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10:54<franck>so i have to do open a console and type mount /dev/hdc
10:55<nilsb>thank you enouf for your help !
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10:55<enouf>nilsb: welcome
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10:56<franck>at this point the shell say to me :mount: No medium found and the icon will disappear...
10:56<enouf>franck: erm, system / preferences
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10:56<enouf>franck: you need to tweak you DE to not show non-mounted drives or whatver
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10:57<enouf>no idea how in gnome personally, maybe gconf/gconf2 or gnome-volume-manager ?
10:57<enouf>man gnome-<TAB><TAB>
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11:06<nilsb>back, I've done an apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, this make something with upgrading the kernel, but the process did not finish correctly, and now after booting I have an automatic file system check failed, how can I check my files systems ?
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11:07<nilsb>it looks like the PATA driver is not the good one, I have severals error messages about HD while booting
11:07<witte>nilsb: dpkg --configure -a
11:09<witte>nilsb: and if something did not complete correctly, don't complain after reboot with a vague message, but upload the errors to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin), and tell us about it
11:10<nilsb>ok, you know I new using this chat
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11:10<witte>nilsb: no, problem, just for next time ;-)
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11:11<nilsb>could you give me an exemple, of /msg ?
11:12<nilsb>using /msg
11:12<witte>you type "/msg dpkg pastebin" in your irc program
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11:12<witte>and the following will be sent to you in a private window by dpkg:
11:12<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
11:13<nilsb>well, I'll try it next time ...
11:13<witte>nilsb: dpkg is our bot
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11:13<nilsb>ok ?, dpkg is not a human being ?
11:13<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
11:13<enouf>(also dpkg is then name of the Debian low level package manager)
11:13<jthomas>enouf and nilsb (i think?): Regarding my failed SATA drive where we were poking in /sys/block and all that: using the Gentoo-based SystemRescueCD, i have been able to start a reverse-dd_rescue process of that drive, and it is in the process (on my home computer).... Fingers crossed! thanks for the helps!!
11:14<enouf>heh .. cool jthomas
11:14<jthomas>so far, cool indeed. I just am not sure what to do with the image once it is done!
11:15<enouf>jthomas: i know ddrecue can skip the bad blocks and try later once all the good ones are read
11:15<jthomas>likely I'll run photorec and maybe a few other tools on it.
11:15<franck>excuse me enouf , but after the shell error the icon disappear...
11:15<enouf>also, you can stop start it in increments
11:15<franck>the system mount the disk on startup....
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11:15<jthomas>enouf: good to know; its running on another machine now so I'm just going to let it go and see what happens...
11:15<franck>but there isn't any disk!
11:16<enouf>franck: oh, perhaps you want to add the 'noauto' option in /etc/fstab for that drive
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11:16<enouf> /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 iso9660,udf ro,user,noauto 0 0
11:16<franck>there is the noauto option!
11:16<enouf>likt that franck ^^^^^^
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11:17<enouf>franck: then likely it's a gnome issue
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11:17<franck>so i have to make some updates ...
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11:17<franck>but what?
11:18<enouf>franck: try #gnome, try network
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11:18<enouf>ask in ##linux, try #debian on even
11:18<franck>ok thank
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11:18<nixternal>Admiral_laptop: how can we help you :p
11:18<nilsb>enouf, do you have an idea why my file system are corrupted, as it's just new installed system ?
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11:19<enouf>erm, .. gah, got my Servers all mixed up - ##linux on freenode as well - maybe a #debian-gnome channel herer?
11:19<enouf>nilsb: nope, maybe something to do with preexisting raid install?? - run fsck on it
11:19<Admiral_laptop>nixternal: I'm looking for a version of Debian that I can install on a computer without X...i'm running a server here which we just need to ssh into and some basic mv / cp'ing data
11:19<enouf>boot a livecd and do it, or , if you can boot it, "touch /forcefsck" and reboot
11:20<enouf>or "shutdown -rF now"
11:20<nilsb>well, fsck is running, and I can see files corrupted, this mean the install is corrupted, no ?
11:20<nixternal>Admiral_laptop: grab a network install iso, nice and small and I believe you can select not to install anything X on it
11:20<enouf>nilsb: well, i don't know - is the drive possibly bad? maybe you have RAM issues?
11:21<nilsb>maybe I should use an other disk, or, does this could come with a bad PCI-IDE card driver ?
11:21<Admiral_laptop>grabbing that now...thanks.
11:21<enouf>well, if the card is good or not, is also an issue
11:22<enouf>but if installation went smoothly
11:22<nilsb>yes, sure, I've much trouble installing this PC, I'm loosing my "latin" !
11:22<Admiral_laptop>nixternal: you think I should do net install and not "small CDs"?
11:23<enouf>Admiral_laptop: the installation guide has details about how to pass tasks= args at boot prompt, etc
11:23<enouf>Admiral_laptop: even none, or similar
11:23<nixternal>Admiral_laptop: haven't tried one of the "small CDs" in a long time...I live off of netinstalls and use Argonne for my repos, since it is 5 miles away and super fast
11:23<enouf>netinstall is small cd ;-)
11:23<enouf>oh ,, whoops
11:23<Admiral_laptop>cool, thanks. I'll grab that.
11:23<enouf>what's small CD? you mean mini?
11:24<nixternal>ya, there is that "business card CD" thing somewhere in the download section
11:24<enouf>what i meant was it's 150MB or so
11:24<enouf>oh, that's businesscard.iso
11:24<Admiral_laptop>nixternal: I'm running a computer that is from 2001, you think that can BIOS can handle the net install?
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11:24<nixternal>I haven't gone to the download section in a while actually, as I just hit up the local mirror
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11:24<nixternal>Admiral_laptop: sure
11:24<Laeborg>Error: local: unable to open /mnt/Multimedia2/Games/Nintendo Wii/Agent.Hugo.Lemoon.Twist.PAL.MULTi5.WII-GLoBAL/ahlt.pal.wii.r61 - When i try to download from a FTP server to a mounted NTFS disc
11:24<enouf>Admiral_laptop: indeed, i'm on one from 1999
11:25<nilsb>well, I think I'm going to swap HD and use an other one for / because, after the fsck the system is now again waiting for root file system, as if grub settings were lost
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11:25<nixternal>I have an old P4 with RDRAM running Debian just fine, that has to be older than 2001 I think
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11:25<nixternal>or about that time frame maybe
11:26<enouf>Admiral_laptop: i have the acpi=force option in my grub menu.lst entry, but IIRC, the debian's kernel option is set to year 2000 or earlier
11:26<donny>hi all, does Etch install a sound mixer daemon automatically? i only seem to be able to run one application that uses sound at a time. what package do you guys recommend installing? i'm only familiar with esd and artsd, but i'm using gnome so i'm not sure if there's one preferred by the gnome crowd
11:26<enouf>nilsb: yeah, 2000-2001ish
11:26<nixternal>or, I can give you my old Packard Bell Multimedia that is a P133 or something that still has Potato on is sitting in my shed serving as a home to mice I believe
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11:27<Admiral_laptop>one more question, I can't seem to find the iso on net install, how do I navigate ?
11:27<enouf>i got a p150 here, gotta install to yet - i want to try it headless completely though - only win98 OEM CD and an old DSL will boot, Debian, Knoppix, won't boot - so i use a SBM floppy \o/
11:28<dpkg>4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot.
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11:28<Admiral_laptop>thanks nixternal
11:28<enouf>do /msg dpkg ig
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11:29<cahoot>donny: what happends if you run speaker-test -t wav in two terms simultaneously?
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11:31<donny>cahoot: actually, running even a single instance of speaker-test failed: Unable to set sw params for playback: Invalid argument
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11:31<donny>Setting of swparams failed: Invalid argument
11:31<cahoot>even as root?
11:32<donny>well i tried running vlc immediately afterward, and that worked without root, but i'll try speaker-test with root
11:32<donny>cahoot: same error as root
11:32<cahoot>donny: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything?
11:33<donny>cahoot: /dev/snd/controlC0
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11:34<cahoot>donny: can't understand why speaker-test gives an error
11:34<cahoot>donny: in later kernels/alsa versions dmix is enabled by default
11:34<donny>well that sucks
11:34<cahoot>donny: can't emember if that's the case for etch
11:35<donny>i'm using this shitty usb audio dac from creative that cost waay more than it's worth
11:36<cahoot>donny: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one and the expected one?
11:36<donny>cahoot: yep
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11:37<cahoot>plain speaker-test gives the same error?
11:38<donny>cahoot: yep
11:38<donny>oh well, thanks for trying to help
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11:39<cahoot>donny: for gnome esd is the 'soundserver' (to answer the original q)
11:39<donny>it's just irritating because the software i'm writing needs audio output, so i can't run anything else that might grab it, like a flash player or wav sounds in gaim/pidgin
11:39<donny>cahoot: ah, thanks. i'll try that
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11:39<donny>cahoot: in etch?
11:40<cahoot>donny: I *believe* so
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11:43<donny>cahoot: thanks i'll check that out
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11:45<donny>this is a bizarre tutorial
11:45<cahoot>was just pointing out the use of esd
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11:46<enouf>donny: you have alsa-oss installed?
11:46<enouf>donny: is that debian? or some other
11:46<nilsb>so, I going to set up the system on an other disk, is 300MB for /boot a good size ?
11:46<enouf>donny: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
11:46<donny>enouf: i did not have alsa-oss installed
11:46<enouf>try that donny
11:47<enouf>nilsb: sounds fine, but up to you
11:47<donny>enouf: does the alsa-oss package provide a mixer?
11:47<enouf>donny: erm, alsa-utils does
11:47<fxiny>enouf: you real ? :)
11:47<fxiny>enouf: :)
11:47<donny>enouf: i don't mean a volume control, i mean a sound daemon
11:47<enouf>fxiny: NO PORBs today! :-P
11:48<nilsb>how can I see the messages in alt-F4 that are gone out of the screen ? (in install mode)
11:48<enouf>donny: i would say no .. not sure what you mean though
11:48<fxiny>enouf: hahaha me too : no porbs : i am "one loop ahead" today ;)
11:48<donny>enouf: like esd or artsd
11:48<enouf>nilsb: try shift+pageup
11:48<enouf>nilsb: only goes a few pages (buffer sixe)
11:48<sheldonh>is /etc/mailname supposed to contain the email domain with which to qualify unqualified addresses for mail originating on this host?
11:48<enouf>donny: those generally come with gnome and kde
11:49<donny>enouf: ok, well i seem unable to run more than one application at a time that can access my audio device
11:49<nilsb>yes, only one line !, because maybe I've some errors about HD !
11:49<enouf>buit i guess you can have parts of each DE with teh "sound server"
11:49<enouf>dpkg -l alsa*
11:49<dpkg>No packages found matching alsa*
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11:50<enouf>donny: dpkg -l alsa*
11:50<enouf>donny: i'm going to guess no alsa-oss support
11:50<donny>enouf: well i just installed alsa-oss a moment ago
11:50<enouf>donny: lshal | grep device_file should show man oss. entriesd
11:51<enouf>is that debian? or ubuntu?
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11:51<donny>enouf: debian etch
11:51<enouf>well, maybe you need some extra usb<sound> module? or support?
11:52<enouf>i dunno
11:52<enouf>using KDE? or Gnome?
11:52<enouf>try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , choose alsa
11:52<enouf>no idea about gnome, except system > preferences
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11:53<enouf>in your applications, make sure "default" is selected, not "hw0,0" or similar
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11:53<nilsb>as I have 2GB of ram, should I have 2GB of swap ?
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11:55<enouf>nilsb: depends
11:55<enouf>not needed
11:56<enouf>for craptops, when they want to suspend2disk, then yes, i guess
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11:58<nilsb>ha, wish to run LAMP server, ftp server, samba server, and maybe video making software, sound sofware, and some kind of autocad software, but, no games,
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11:58<IceKiller>hey, anyone know how hard it would be to hack the kernel to use cached memory instead of uncached memory for a framebuffer,
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11:59<nilsb>and no more than 2 or 3 user account logged at the same time
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11:59<kasmi>hey, i would like to talk to the GUI designer(s) please, do you know where i can find them?
12:00<nilsb>well, it's not surprising having 2 GB of swap ?
12:00<amphi>which gui?
12:00<kasmi>well, the global one
12:00<kasmi>standart butons, etcc
12:00<ranix>kasmi: are you trolling?
12:01<kasmi>no, sry
12:01<fxiny>a global gui ? wt4x !
12:01<ranix>kasmi: gtfo
12:01<amphi>kasmi: you mean gnome?
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12:03<amphi>we will never know...
12:03<fxiny>eyecandy-armageddon :P
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12:05<amphi>people should be more adverbial; "where can I talk sternly to the GUI designers" or "where can I talk sycophantically to the GUI designers" would convey so much more
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12:06<fxiny>is the sycophant related to the unicorn ?
12:06<fxiny>amphi: :)
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12:06<amphi>fxiny: that's a cockatrice *sigh* ;)
12:07<fxiny>amphi: slacky beasts ;)
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12:08<knoppix_>hola a todos
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12:20<nismo>hi there
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12:22<six>hi nismo
12:22<nismo>six: hello
12:23<nismo>i need some help: how do i find out in which group a user should be to launch an application?
12:24<OdyX>nismo: normally, all programs under /usr/bin are executable by anyone and the one under /usr/sbin by root only
12:24<OdyX>then it depends on the permissions for your hardware
12:24<OdyX>which application =
12:25<nismo>ok. now i have an app which needs root to run...can i make it run under a regular user?
12:25<six>exactly wich ?
12:25<nismo> runs under a regular user,but to work correctly it needs root
12:26<nismo>it only discovers interfaces when i run it as root
12:26<OdyX>it needs access to critical functions of the network interfaces...
12:27<nismo>so it cannot be run under a regular user?
12:27<OdyX>I don't know, but at least, I couldn't
12:27<nismo>ok,thank you very much
12:28<six>for the security resons, no
12:28<cahoot>nismo: use sudo?
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12:29<nismo>cahoot: yes,it works with sudo
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12:30<fxiny>nismo: kde ?
12:30<nismo>and is there any way to find out in which group a user have to be to run an application? lets say i need to now users in which groups can launch wireshark
12:31<nismo>fxiny: desktop environment? yes,i run kde
12:31<nismo>fxiny: why?
12:31<fxiny>so you can run wiresherk : run as root kde su should pop up
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12:31<fxiny>install gksu
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12:32<nismo>wireshark runs correctly, i just wanted to know if it can be launched under a regular user
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12:33<nismo>uff,my english is horrible,sorry for that :)
12:33<fxiny>what's the problem ? check gksu
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12:34<fxiny>you cannot run wireshark/ethereal as normal user , same for gparted
12:35<eBug>i just made a fresh install of debian on my box. How can it be that ping resolves hostnames and wget or apt don't?
12:35<fxiny>unless you just use wireshark for tcpdumps
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12:36<donny>eBug: which hostnames? can you give an example of a hostname that ping sees but wget doesn't? have you tried using host -a?
12:37<eBug>donny ping resolves but apt-get complains that it can't resolve that name
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12:38<eBug>i can't fetch any package from the net
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12:38<fxiny>eBug: is /etc/resolv.conf ok ?
12:40<six>eBug, /etc/apt/sources.list, is ok ?
12:40<eBug>fxiny it looks so
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12:40<eBug>six wget doesn't work either
12:40<eBug>never seen that before
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12:41<six>eBug, etch ?
12:41<six>(re)install wget
12:41<eBug>and apt ?
12:41<OdyX>eBug: check your routes...
12:41<OdyX>type route
12:42<eBug>OdyX if i can ping i guess my routes are ok
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12:42<OdyX>eBug: ACK for routes...
12:42<OdyX>eBug: can you try standard http ?
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12:43<OdyX>aren't you behind special proxy (ADSL modem which caches stuff...)
12:43<eBug>OdyX i can't install any browser :(
12:44<eBug>other hosts work fine
12:44<OdyX>w3m installed ?
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12:44<eBug>can avahi be a problem ?
12:44<OdyX>hummm... "could" ..
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12:46<fxiny>can you ping your nameserver ?
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12:47<sheldonh>is /etc/mailname supposed to contain the email domain with which to qualify unqualified addresses for mail originating on this host?
12:48<eBug>fxiny yes
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12:50<six>eBug, how many net interfaces has tis host ?
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12:51<six> *this
12:51<eBug>six one ethernet card
12:51<eBug>one sit
12:51<eBug>don't know what that is
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12:52<six>which net card ?
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12:58<eBug>wget says: Resolving failed: Name or service not known
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12:59<six>[18:40] <six> eBug, /etc/apt/sources.list, is ok ?
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12:59<eBug>six yes
13:00<eBug>host resolves too
13:00<six> cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep deb
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13:01<six>give what ?
13:01<sheldonh>i just don't get how squirrelmail can feel snappier than kmail :)
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13:02<eBug>six i can't copy/paste
13:02<eBug>but it's fine. If I had and with their ip's in /etc/hosts everything works fine
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13:03<six>eBug, re_do a "apt-get update"
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13:04<eBug>six after adding manually and security.d.o to /etc/hosts i can apt-get update
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13:04<OdyX>so your dns is b0rked...
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13:05<OdyX>eBug: try to host a random url (e.g. )
13:05<maslak>whhich kde version ius included in 4.0r3 ?
13:05<eBug>OdyX works
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13:06<eBug>how does apt resolve names ?
13:06<OdyX>maslak: 3.5.5
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13:07<OdyX>eBug: wget -O /tmp/ ?
13:08<eBug>Resolving failed: Name or service not known
13:09<eBug>Resolving failed: Name or service not known
13:09<eBug>Resolving failed: Name or service not known
13:10<OdyX>eBug: do you have some HTTP proxy ?
13:10<xsdg>eBug: does `ping` do the right thing?
13:11<OdyX>echo $http_proxy ?
13:12<six> ping
13:12<OdyX>traceroute installed ?
13:12<xsdg>eBug: does the `ping` work?
13:12*OdyX shuts up for a moment... Too much help is no benefit.
13:12<six>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
13:12<six>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=33.7 ms
13:12<six>2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
13:13<donny>OdyX: too much of anythign is no benefit, by definition of the wording. but it isn't necessarily true that you can *have* too much of a particular thing. and if you're calling that thing "help," i think by definition you can't :P
13:13<xsdg>six: eh? are you having issues also?
13:13<eBug># ping
13:13<eBug>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
13:13<eBug>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=74.2 ms
13:13<OdyX>donny: the thing is that if we are 5 asking the poor user to do _different_ things, there is a low signal-noise ratio..
13:14<eBug># wget
13:14<eBug> => `index.html'
13:14<eBug>Resolving failed: Name or service not known.
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13:14<donny>OdyX: i was just kidding
13:14<eBug>sorry for the paste
13:14<OdyX>donny: ;) then
13:14<xsdg>eBug: yeah, that looks like a proxy
13:15<eBug>ssh: Name or service not known
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13:15<xsdg>eBug: err... how many nameservers do you have in /etc/resolv.conf?
13:15<OdyX>eBug: behind a NAT ?
13:15<valdyn>eBug: you have a broken resolver library, can you paste the output of "strace -eopen apt-get update" on a paste site?
13:15<xsdg>eBug: try `host <nameserver1>`
13:15<xsdg>eBug: and then the same thing with the second one
13:16<xsdg>(basically, to check that both of them are working properly)
13:16<maslak>when i get to debian download page: there are 3dvds + an update dvd, are all of them actually needed?
13:16<OdyX>maslak: depends...
13:16<eBug>xsdg both resolve
13:16<maslak>my friend was setting up 40r1 some time ago and he said he only used the first one
13:16<OdyX>maslak: if you install on an internet-capable box, the fastest is to take the businesscard iso
13:16<xsdg>eBug: weird
13:16<maslak>I mean like for a simple mortal :)
13:16<maslak>for home/programming use
13:16<xsdg>eBug: I'd suggest going with valdyn's suggestion, then
13:17<OdyX>maslak: the simple mortal takes the multi-arch CD and burns it and hold it always with him.
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13:17<xsdg>maslak: is there some reason you can't do a netinstall?
13:17<valdyn>maslak: for no one who wants to install debian on a machine that has internet access
13:18<maslak>no there is no such reason, maybe apart from tmie needed for compelting the installation
13:18<xsdg>maslak: I'd suggest a netinstall, then
13:18<xsdg>maslak: downloading the DVD will, in most cases, take much longer than the time required to just download what you need
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13:19<OdyX>ACK with xsdg
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13:20<OdyX>the fastest is the businesscard, but it's a burn of 35 Mio on a 700 Mio capable CD...
13:20<valdyn>eBug: try again with "strace -f -eopen apt-get update"
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13:20<maslak>to do the netinstall I only need debian-40r3-amd64-netinst.iso - 145MB, yep?
13:20<xsdg>maslak: you should really consider whether you want amd64 or i386, though
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13:21<OdyX>that's the benefit of the multi-arch netinstall
13:21<xsdg>maslak: amd64 will make it more difficult to run closed-source apps that want a 32-bit environment
13:21<xsdg>OdyX: ooh; url?
13:21<maslak>like flash for firefox?
13:21<OdyX>xsdg: for the torrent
13:22<OdyX>xsdg: a single CD with i386-amd64-ppc
13:22<OdyX>fits all common usage
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13:22<OdyX>auto-selection (I think)
13:22<xsdg>maslak: that's one example
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13:22<xsdg>maslak: it works, but not as well as on my 32-bit machines
13:22<xsdg>maslak: also, how much memory do you have?
13:22<OdyX>maslak: firefox runs perfectly on amd64 (it is not proprietary) under the Debian name iceweasel
13:23<OdyX>and I use gnash for flash under amd64 and it reads youtube videos..
13:23<maslak>you mean RAM - 1GB
13:23<xsdg>maslak: ok
13:23<xsdg>OdyX: there are some sites which require specific versions of flash though, which sucks
13:23<eBug>valdyn doesn't ping use the resolver library too ?
13:24<OdyX>xsdg: true... but if these sites don't want me to visit... sorry for them
13:24<xsdg>eBug: it doesn't use TCP, which seems to be a/the key
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13:24<valdyn>eBug: sure, but not all of these programs end up using the same actual libraries
13:24<valdyn>eBug: the resolver isnt just 1 file.
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13:25<eBug>xsdg that's right
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13:26<ematris>hi guys?
13:26<OdyX>hi ematris ?
13:26<ematris>how can i configure ip forwarding wit iptables on my debian
13:26<valdyn>eBug: which you can see here: (
13:27<maslak>one more question, does netinstall download all the selected data during the installation, or maybe it installs a raw debian, and lanuches the downloader at first start?
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13:27<OdyX>maslak: netinstall downloads during installl
13:28<OdyX>ematris: don't know anything about iptables...
13:28<valdyn>eBug: the resolver does not simply just do a dns lookup, and also not just a /etc/hosts check with a dns lookup
13:28<OdyX>ematris: !ask
13:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:30<eBug>valdyn any idea how i can fix this?
13:30<valdyn>eBug: not exactly without your paste i asked for
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13:31<valdyn>eBug: but generally, reinstall the packages that your broken file(s) belong to
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13:31<eBug>valdyn i passed the url
13:31<valdyn>eBug: 19:20 < valdyn> eBug: try again with "strace -f -eopen apt-get update"
13:31<eBug><eBug> valdyn
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13:32<eBug>valdyn got it ?
13:32<valdyn>eBug: thats still without -f but
13:32<valdyn>eBug: -f isnt giving me what i want
13:33<valdyn>eBug: ping works and ssh works not?
13:34<eBug>valdyn yep
13:34<valdyn>eBug: ok, sec, tracking the files
13:35<xsdg>valdyn: libnss?
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13:35<valdyn>eBug: reinstall base-files , libc6, libnss-db, libnss-mdns and verify that ther's no /etc/nsswitch.conf.dpkg-dist or somesuch
13:37<eBug>valdyn here's the trace:
13:38<maslak>is there a difference between doing the netinstall from this noarchCD and from official amd64-netinstall?
13:39<six>maslak, both are official
13:39<maslak>this noarch doesn't mix those instalations, just chooses the most suitable for the machine, right?
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13:39<ematris>how can i configure ip port forwarding wit iptables on my debian
13:40<eBug>valdyn that fixed it!
13:40<six>eBug, how ?
13:41<eBug>apt-get --reinstall install base-files libc6 libnss-db libnss-mdns
13:41<six>eBug, ok
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13:44<paulmartin84>any sluts in here?
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13:45<OdyX>maslak: it's not a "noarch", its a "multi-arch"
13:45<eBug>valdyn you're a genius
13:45<maslak>ok,ok, but question remains ;)
13:45<paulmartin84>wats the question
13:45<paulmartin84>missed it
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13:46<maslak>if I know I have amd64 why would I use multi-arch?
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13:46<OdyX>maslak: to install Debian on all the computers you see
13:46<OdyX>maslak: no other reason
13:46<maslak>good point :)
13:47<IceKiller>hey, anyone know how hard it would be to hack the kernel to use cached memory instead of uncached memory for a framebuffer,
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13:47<NinjaMan>IceKiller: why would you want to do that?
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13:48<paulmartin84>cant think of many advantages
13:49<IceKiller>hmm the bandwidth of uncached is like 200mbits .. cached is more like 2Gbit.
13:49<IceKiller>reason => no videodriver so only frameubffer is an option
13:49<paulmartin84>you mean for streaming?
13:49<NinjaMan>IceKiller: are you referring to the processor cache?
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13:53<paulmartin84>why does Iceweasel keep rashing on my copy of Knoppix
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13:53<NinjaMan>paulmartin84: is happening when viewing flash videos?
13:53<esop>dirty little weasel!
13:54<paulmartin84>open for about 30 secs then closes
13:54<paulmartin84>can restart the session no problem
13:54<paulmartin84>just annoying tho
13:54<IceKiller>NinjaMan yip
13:55<NinjaMan>paulmartin: sorry don't know then, but you could try a different browser, to see if the problem persists
13:55<IceKiller>paulmartin84 no not for streaming.. for playing video.. hmm if you don't have a GPU to decode you use your CPU, your CPU can use 'cache' this can be Uncached or Cached
13:55<maslak>this question is harder.. why wolud I want to switch to Debian from... Fedora8? :) I mean, I've been using fedora for more than a year, I quite like it though had some problems e.g. with setting up compiz, I wanted to try Debian, as I really liked it liveCD versions, but is there a really serious reason for switching (i study informatics, but i'm not a kernel hacker yet :p )
13:55<NinjaMan>paulmartin: it may go someway to helping you isolate it.
13:55<paulmartin84>yer its only Iceweasel
13:56<paulmartin84>Konqueror is fine
13:56<paulmartin84>guess thats my answer then
13:57<NinjaMan>IceKiller: unless you have an obscenely large processor cache - it will not do you any good, because the rate of replenisment of the cache from main memory will be much slower than the rate the cache supplies to processor
13:57<NinjaMan>paulmartin: sounds like switching is the easiest thing to do right now - have you checked for bug reports?
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13:58<OdyX>maslak: try "deb vs rpm" on Google
13:58<OdyX>maslak: the way Debian handles packages dependency is maybe the strongest argument.
13:59<OdyX>(for you as informatics student)
13:59<OdyX>maslak: DFSG rules, quality control, no-corporation-behind
13:59<paulmartin84>anybody know of a live cd with jsut apache mysql and php?
13:59<OdyX>big community
13:59<NinjaMan>IceKiller: you need to remember you are doing sequential reading of a file: Disk -> Main Memory -> Cache -> (in other words you would have to pre-load the entire file cache to have the impact you desire
14:00<IceKiller>NinjaMan indeed..
14:00<OdyX>(even though Fedora has a big community too)
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14:00<IceKiller>its for a PPC64 cpu (3x3,2ghz)
14:01<NinjaMan>IceKiller: I don't have any experience of those processors, but I am guessing they don't have 100's of mb of cache
14:02<maslak>DFSG - Diabetic Foot Study Group :D
14:03<OdyX>maslak: then.. freedom... of choice too
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14:03<maslak>these are good arguments, I think I'll try installing it tomorrow, with netinstall I expect it to last like for 4-5hrs
14:04<maslak>thx for all the help
14:04<iamanidiot>so yeah
14:04<iamanidiot>I am an idiot
14:05<iamanidiot>I just upgraded all packages on my debian box to unstable versions, by accident
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14:05<maslak>one more: whats the name for nonfree packages repository? sth like livna for fedora
14:05<paulmartin84>does knoppix come with a webserver?
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14:12<mikes>i am trying to calculate my boottime with bootchartd but as i see it doesn't count kdm time. any idea??
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14:14<OdyX>maslak: there are no "special repositories" for non-free ...
14:14<OdyX>non-free is another "target" of the standard repositories..
14:14<OdyX>maslak: if you choose "expert(gui)" on install, the installer will ask you if you want them...
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14:21<buffoon>hi there! I'm on sid. My Screen says "Input not supportet", so I wanted to use "xrandr -s 1280x1024 -r 60 -d :0" to adjust it to the right size, but then xrandr says "Size 1024 not found in available modes"
14:22<maslak>maybe 1280x960?
14:22<buffoon>well, its not wide screen
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14:22<buffoon>it should be the native mode of the screen
14:23<sheldonh>i think, if i wasn't in management, i could live with squirrelmail :)
14:23<buffoon>xrandr -q shows it btw, but without refresh modes
14:23<buffoon>except 0
14:23<buffoon>seems that it didin't detect the right modes for my screene
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14:24<buffoon>i updated some xorg packages too btw
14:24<fxiny>squirrel what ? mutt rulez :P
14:24<valerio>someone speaks italian?
14:26<valerio>i need help about a simple and stupid question!
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14:27<graytron>the simple question first
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14:27<valerio>i have installed xscreensaver-gl
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14:27<valerio>i can activate it with a secondary screensaver panel
14:28<shivraj>I need to remove gij ... I need to use Suns Java only .. any help ?
14:28<valerio>but in the list of gnome-screensaver doesn't appear
14:28<shivraj>java -version ... is showing gnu java
14:28*fxiny waits to see who gets the stupid one
14:28<valerio>how i can add the xscreensaver-gl into the list of gnome-screensaver?
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14:29<shivraj>valerio ... just drag and drop ...
14:30<fxiny>shivraj: install sun jre in /usr/local and read man update-alternatives
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14:30<valerio>i read that i just install xscreensaver-gl-data
14:31<valerio>but there is not into repository
14:32<valerio>(i use lenny)
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14:34<sv> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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14:35<jacotaco>hello all. Is anyone here familiar much with kernel-wedge?
14:35<OdyX>valerio: it is not at all in the repositories...
14:36<valerio>under ubuntu the xscreensaver-gl appear into the list of gnome-screensaver
14:37<valerio>but I don't know what edit under debian
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14:39<OdyX>valerio: I don't understand what you try to do...
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14:40<valerio>i'm sorry for my english!
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14:40<OdyX>the problem is not in the language I think...
14:40<valerio>by default there is only one screensaver selector
14:40<OdyX>ah... OK
14:40<valerio>under system->preference
14:40<OdyX>OK.. Gnome
14:40<OdyX>forget me
14:40<shivraj>fxiny ... sweet .. all you have to do is update-alternatives --config java and select sun .....
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14:40<valerio>if i install xscreensaver-gl
14:40<valerio>the new screensavers doesn't appear into the list
14:41<fxiny>shivraj: indeed , debian is sweet :)
14:41<valerio>but exit another panel to choose the new screensaver installed
14:41<sheldonh>fxiny: yeah, but mutt sucks over a slow connection :)
14:41<sheldonh>fxiny: well, i mean assuming you _don't_ want POP3/fetchmail/uucp/whatever and want your mail to live in a safe, central place :)
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14:42<valerio>now, is possible to update the list of gnome-screensaver to include the new?
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14:42<valerio>instead of using the new panel
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14:43<MichaelTheMechanic>I'm a newbie and could use some help on pgadmin3, or maybe it is a OS problem. Anyone care to help me?
14:44<fxiny>sheldonh: why not ? : fetchmail , procmail , bogofilter , muttprofile, msmtp , urlview , mairix : have fun :)
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14:44<sheldonh>fxiny: or just exim, dovecot, imapproxy, squirrelmail :)
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14:45<six>MichaelTheMechanic, apt-get install pgadmin3
14:45<fxiny>sheldonh: i use postfix , i don't use imap and abook
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14:46<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm proud of : ls -al .mutt | wc -l > 16
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14:46<sheldonh>fxiny: i used mutt for a few years. i loved it
14:46<MichaelTheMechanic>six: No, it's not a matter of installing it. When I switch to user postgre and try to start pgadmin3, I get following error message: unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?
14:47<fxiny>sheldonh: one of the best app ever
14:47<fxiny>sheldonh: i love mutt scores
14:48<fxiny>oh : i forgot archivemail
14:49<six>MichaelTheMechanic, is a question, for you, not en error
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14:51<sheldonh>fxiny: archivemail looks useful
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14:52<MichaelTheMechanic>six: True, but since I'm a newbie I don't understand the question. I could search more on the net for help but I thought someone could give help a quick answer here. I'm not new to programming so I understand the programming basic. But I don't understand the debian OS.
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14:53<valdyn>MichaelTheMechanic: use "sux" to change user
14:53<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as root. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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14:54<valdyn>dpkg: sux =~ s/root/a different user/
14:54<dpkg>OK, valdyn
14:54<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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14:55<buffoon>oh, dpkg knows regexp... =)
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15:14<MichaelTheMechanic>valdyn: Thanks for the help, it works.
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15:17<MichaelTheMechanic>Now to the next question. When I try to add a server in pgadmin3 it doesn't work. The only thing I have changed in the New Server Dialog window is the description, the rest is set to default. And even if I change the pg_hba.conf so that user postgres is trusted it still doesn't work.
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15:23<Villarroel>I have a problem with Debian/sid when I connect a USB drive it does not show up in /dev/sd*
15:24<Villarroel>And also, I have compiled virtualbox-ose-source with module-assistant then the modprobe vboxdrv loads the module without error but no /dev/vboxdrv appears.
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15:25<Villarroel>I think is some problem in the /dev tree, but I'm not sure how to debug this.
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15:31<Villarroel>I don't think this will fix the problem, but I'm going to reboot my machine.
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15:47<sunflowers>Hi, When I bring up a terminal it is printing these messages on loop:
15:47<sunflowers>SunflowerCooperative kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold
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15:47<dondelelcaro>sunflowers: that generally means that your cpu is overheating, and you need to fix your heatsink
15:48<sunflowers>ok.. hopefully just a cleaning then. I don't think they overclocked this cpu, if that might be related
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16:30<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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16:45<o>entra a i zai
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16:54<lupine>is there a console command to send a keypress to an X window?
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17:00<hever>Hej. What keycodes must I pass to "dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode" in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
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17:01<hever>Actually its 88 (=F12) but showkeys tells me F12 is 0x60 0xe0 what isn't 88
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17:01<andrew>hello there
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17:01<andrew>i am having a hard time installing firefox on debian etch
17:02<andrew>i have gone through everything i found on the net, i must be doing something wrong
17:02<hever>andrew, whats about iceape ?
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17:02<andrew>i have iceweasal already installed
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17:03<andrew>i just wanted to practing installing packages on debian
17:03<andrew>it is not easy
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17:03<andrew>i will give you the error
17:03<andrew>hold on
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17:04<andrew>wait i have a quesiong
17:05<andrew>is iceweasel really firefox?
17:05<andrew>i am confused
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17:06<hever>dpkg iceweasel
17:06<dpkg>well, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
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17:07<andrew>when i ry to unpack it, it sais :cannot open no such file directory
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17:07<d0rt>dpkg why iceweasel
17:07<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
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17:09<andrew>i am not able to unpack firefox
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17:09<andrew>tar -zxvf /tmp/firefox-2.0.tar.gz
17:10<andrew>i get Cannot open: no such file directory
17:10*d0rt isn't sure where to start
17:10<d0rt>as in asking why you'd want to even try installing firefox when iceweasel is already setup
17:11<andrew>well good point
17:11<andrew>i had no idea about the iceweasel firefox thing
17:11<d0rt>or why you don't move the firefox-2.0.tar.gz to your home directory first
17:11<andrew>i wanted to practice installing something thats all
17:11<enouf>andrew: did you go on the short bus when you went to school?
17:11<daniel_>hey, is there in repo some antivirus with gui? supposedly i have some virus on my hdd
17:11<andrew>yeah i did your mom was the driver
17:11<enouf>andrew: /msg dpkg grounding
17:11<andrew>ok thanks
17:12<andrew>im just kidding by the way
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17:12<andrew>how do i move firefox to my home direcoty
17:13<d0rt>how did it end up in /tmp ?
17:13<andrew>i have no idea
17:13<andrew>i sure as heck didnt move it
17:13<andrew>im a total newb
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17:14<andrew>when i use #locate firefox
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17:14<d0rt>maybe you were using iceweasel?
17:14<enouf>apt-get install iceweasel
17:14<d0rt>and you downloaded it?
17:14<andrew>yes that is what i was using
17:15<d0rt>anyhow, "practicing installing" things isn't necessarily a good thing to do
17:15<d0rt>(unless you're really practicing and you plan on wiping and reinstalling after you're done)
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17:16<d0rt>and while "tar -zxfv <packagename>" does sometimes work as a step in installing stuff in linux
17:16<d0rt>if you went to the trouble to install debian
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17:16<dr>Hi everyone!
17:16<d0rt>you should really try to understand aptitude or synaptic (your choice which)
17:16<d0rt>and don't "practice"
17:16<d0rt>actually install stuff
17:16<d0rt>but do it the right way
17:17<d0rt>for instance
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17:17<d0rt>aptitude install seamonkey
17:18<d0rt>(replace seamonkey with whatever software you covet -- it just might work if you spell it right)
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17:19<enouf>tar zxvf doesn't install anything, ...if you do it right, you'll end up with unpacked source
17:20<d0rt>yeah, i meant to say "first step" instead of "step"
17:20<d0rt>and while i'm at it
17:21<dr>I have a problem with installating xorg package... when I type apt-get install xserver-xorg I get the following message: the following packeges have unmet dependecies:
17:21<dr> xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but it is not going to be installed
17:21<dr> Depends: libxau6 but it is not going to be installed
17:21<dr> Depends: libxdmcp6 but it is not going to be installed
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17:22<chump_>hey i was looking to install debian twice on the same computer one for work and one for just testing and installing garbage on, i also wanted to install windows on a 15 gig partition, and backtrack just wanted to know how you guys suggest putting the partitions
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17:24<dr>hi! help me please when I'm trying to install xserver-xorg i get the following message:
17:25<dr>the following packeges have unmet dependecies:
17:25<dr> xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but it is not going to be installed
17:25<dr> Depends: libxau6 but it is not going to be installed
17:25<dr> Depends: libxdmcp6 but it is not going to be installed
17:25<Azhrarn>try individually installing the "not going to be installed" packages and see what it says about them
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17:26<dr>what's wrong?
17:26<chump_>dr: i had a similar problem
17:26<Azhrarn>and don't paste to the channel
17:26<chump_>install the packgaes indvidually
17:27<dr>ok thanks
17:27<chump_>and it will fix it then do an apt-get update
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17:33<dr>when i tried install xserver-common i get:xserer-common depends x11-common... but when i tried apt-get install x11-common i get x11-common is already the newest version
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17:35<Nemoder>dr: why do you need xserver-common?
17:35<Nemoder>if you just want X try xserver-xorg
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17:35<dr>xserver-xorg depends xserver-common
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17:36<Nemoder>dr: what version of debian?
17:37<loowm>i have a usb drive mounted on my laptop. i'm trying to save a file to it but i'm getting an error message saying it's not writable. i tried "mount -o remount,rw /<device>" but that did not change anything and i still can not save the file. any ideas?
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17:38<six>dr, run "tasksel"
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17:39<Nemoder>I don't see xserver-common in etch at all
17:39<dr>six big thanks!!!! you're real man!!!!))
17:39<six>np dr
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17:58<joshua_>hey guys i was wondering how i would install gnome and x from the command line w/o using x
17:58<joshua_>errr tasksel
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17:59<dr>what is the following message: W: GPG error sage-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E.....
18:00<abrotman>did you read the instructions at ?
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18:00<dr>ok thanks
18:00<gsimmons>dr: If you're using Etch, why are you referencing sarge-backports?
18:02<gsimmons>!tell joshua_ -about install gnome
18:02<dr>I do not know... I started learn linux 3 days ago
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18:03<abrotman>dr: so what did you hope to get by adding those backports?
18:03<amphi>dr: install the debian reference ;)
18:03<frank>joshua_: e.g. aptitude install xorg gnome
18:03<dr>to install xserver-xorg
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18:09<abrotman>dr: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ?
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18:12<AzaTht>for apt.conf, what is the default value for Default-Release?
18:13<joshua_>frank: thank you very much.
18:13<mrunix>hello everyone
18:13<joshua_> i'm getting a unable to turn device off(i think it says off)
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18:14<dr>abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
18:14<abrotman>dr: you're using etch .. you already have xorg
18:15<dr>ok and I should do to install x windows?
18:15<marchon>does anyone know where I can ask questions about regennerating host keys
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18:16<marchon>Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
18:16<marchon>Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
18:16<abrotman>dr: which windowm manager do you want ?
18:16<abrotman>marchon: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
18:16<marchon>that does not work
18:16<abrotman>dr: aptitude install xorg kde kdm
18:16<dr>ok thanks
18:16<marchon>it appears that ssh-kegen no longer supports -f
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18:17<mrunix>what should i do if i dont have sound in my debian after i installed alsa??
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18:17<gsimmons>!tell mrunix -about alsa checklist
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18:18<mrunix>i also checked in alsamixer and the soubt vol is 100
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18:19<dr>abrotman: I get the following message: Couldn't find any package matchin "xorg". However, the following packages contain xorg in their description: libxfixes3 libx11-data.... and so on
18:20<abrotman>dr: can you paste your sources.list somewhere ?
18:20<gsimmons>mrunix: What sound device do you have?
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18:20<dr>ok wait a minute
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18:20<mrunix>intel ac97
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18:26<eljefe>How can I get a Trendnet TEW-421 wifi card (pcmcia) to work?
18:28<abrotman>chipset ?
18:28<dr>deb etch-backport main contrib non-free
18:29<dr>#deb cdrom:[Debian Gn......-Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ eych contrib main
18:29<gsimmons>eljefe: There's two versions of that card. You've either one with a Broadcom or Marvell chipset. Use lspci to identify your type.
18:29<dr>deb cdrom:[Debian Gn......-Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ eych contrib main
18:29<kop>eljefe : lspci is your friend.
18:29<dr>#deb etch/updates main contrib
18:29<abrotman>uncomment that for starters
18:29<abrotman>oh jeez
18:29<abrotman>dr: you need two sources .. comment out the rest
18:29<eljefe>do i need packages tho? i have a pretty minimal install of Etch NetInstall and KDE so far, and i don't know hat more I'd need...
18:29<abrotman>dr: i'll type them in here
18:30<dr>abrotman: #deb-src etch/updates main contrib
18:30<abrotman>dr: moment
18:30<kop>eljefe : abrotman wants to know the chipset
18:30<abrotman>first: deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
18:30<abrotman>second: deb etch main contrib non-free
18:30<abrotman>dr: comment out all the other lines
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18:31<abrotman>dr: then run `aptitude update && aptitude install xorg kde kdm`
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18:32<dr>ok big thanks!
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18:34<mrunix>i have done all the checks from the alsa checklist but still no sound
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18:34<gsimmons>mrunix: You'll need to be more specific regarding your device type. Please provide the output received for `lspci -nn' and `cat /proc/asound/version' at a paste site.
18:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:40<mrunix>the url is
18:41<abrotman>mrunix: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does the line say
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18:43<abrotman>it's a single line
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18:45<dr>abrotman: one more time very big thanks!!!
18:45<mrunix> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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18:48<joshua__>how would i install ntfs-g3
18:48<joshua__>do i have to be running sid?
18:49<gsimmons>joshua__: There's a backported package available for Etch.
18:49<gsimmons>!tell joshua__ -about ntfs-3g
18:50<joshua__>gsimmons: thank you sir
18:54<mrunix>have you looked on what i paste in ??
18:54<gsimmons>mrunix: I believe your device wasn't completely supported by ALSA until 1.0.13. Install the 'module-assistant' package, then execute "m-a a-i alsa" to build a more recent 'alsa-modules-*' package for your installed kernel. Reload the ALSA sound driver modules (invoke-rc.d alsa reload) once completed.
18:54<mrunix>ok i will try tnx
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19:04<mrunix>ok i did what you said but still no sound :(
19:04<mrunix>and in knoppix i have sound
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19:12<gsimmons>mrunix: No private messages, please. What does cat /proc/asound/version now report?
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19:15<mrunix>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.13.
19:15<mrunix>Compiled on May 30 2008 for kernel 2.6.18-6-686 (SMP).
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19:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>ALSA is the best
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19:23<mrunix>i have to go !!
19:24<mrunix>gsimmons tnx for trying to help
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19:24<lewis>hey there - configuring a PIX 501 with a static WAN IP address. WAN settings work on laptop, though can't seem to 'get out' through the PIX 501. Any suggestions?
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19:41<joshua__>hey guys i'm looking for a program to monitor system fans / temps things like this does debian have anything liek that?
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19:44<dendrite>joshua__: gkrellm?
19:44<joshua__>debian has the multiverse and the universe what are the debian versions of these?
19:44<dendrite>joshua__: And there are others.
19:46<giuseppe>hi guys, I've a problem. I've just installed debian testing from kde cd, really don't know why but it installed also gnome. Does someone know how can I complete remove it? remove gnome-desktop-enviroment don't resolve, I still have all gnome apps and libs.. thanks
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19:47<gsimmons>!remove gnome
19:47<dpkg>from memory, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common
19:48<dpkg>it has been said that repos is See entry for 'sources.list'
19:48<giuseppe>gsimmons: removing these 2 file it remove all gnome? wow
19:48<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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19:48<supaman>use the /msg dpkg
19:48<gsimmons>giuseppe: That should be all that is necessary.
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19:49<giuseppe>gsimmons: thanks a lot, I've a 64bit but I suppose the package is libgnome32 anyway no?
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19:50<gsimmons>giuseppe: Yes, that package is also present for AMD64. That and there's no 'libgnome64'.
19:50<giuseppe>gsimmons: it work thanks :D, just another question, why the kde cd installed also gnome? I really can't understand
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19:57<gsimmons>giuseppe: Were you using d-i lenny beta1? This is a known issue, see ("KDE and Xfce CDs also install GNOME").
19:58<giuseppe>gsimmons: thanks ;)
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20:01<joshua__>is there a multiverse for debian?
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20:05<supaman>there is a contrib and non-free
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20:19<giuseppe>guys someone know how can I install nvidia proprietary drivers on debian testing 64bit?
20:19<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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20:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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20:50<afox>Can you "pin" a package that hasn't been installed using apt? I've installed a custom version of a package using dpkg -i pkgname.deb and added a Pin entry for it to /etc/apt/preferences with priority 1001, but and aptitude upgrade keeps wanting to replace it with the stable version.
20:52<panagos>afox: why not use aptitude's hold command?
20:53<afox>Looks like that will do the trick. Thanks
20:53<panagos>afox: my pleasure :)
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20:56<panagos>afox: though i don't know whether the hold tag is respected by apt-get or others, or if it is an aptitude-only feature...
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21:10<twb>Can I tell debmirror not to mirror udebs?
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21:14<six>--exclude ?
21:14<twb>Oh, never mind
21:14<twb>I already had done it, using --section
21:15<twb>I think it was just mentioning stuff that it was deleting from the previous run
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21:15<twb>Yeah, --section by default includes main/debian-installer
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21:21<afox>panagos: had to run echo "pkgname hold" | dpkg --set-selections to get apt-get to work with the hold. All good now
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21:21<panagos>afox: nice :)
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21:34<jesus>hello everyone
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21:35<jesus>I need some help
21:35<jesus>I have installed vmware
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21:35<jesus>but when I try to open a virtual machine I get this error
21:36<twb>jesus: we don't provide support for VMware because it is not part of Debian.
21:36<twb>jesus: there is a #vmware on Freenode.
21:36<jesus>Permission denied. Unable to read user preferences
21:36<jesus>I need help to get permisions back to me
21:36<jesus>I know that vmware is not debian
21:37<jesus>I am just trying to explain my point fo the helper to help me
21:37<jesus>I ran it as root and now I have lost my user permissions
21:38<jesus>I know it has something to do with .... sudo chown ( something )
21:38<twb>jesus: find ~jesus -owner root
21:38<Villarroel>What does the silent kernel parameter do?
21:39<jesus>so I I am relatively new to debian
21:39<panagos>jesus: to become root, type su (or if you use sudo, sudo su)
21:39<jesus>only have used for 1 month
21:39<twb>Villarroel: never heard of it. The "quiet" parameter suppresses dmesg output to the console, and also initramfs tends to notice it and suppress other output.
21:39<twb>panagos: that should be "su -" and "sudo -i"
21:39<jesus>I did this .... sudo chown jesus/home
21:40<panagos>Villarroel: have a look at man bootparam :)
21:40<jesus>but it says this chown: invalid option -- r
21:41<jesus>how can I take my home folder back
21:41<panagos>jesus: what happened to it? :|
21:41<jesus>I think root wants to own it
21:42<jesus>when I open something it says .. I have no permisions
21:42<twb>panagos: thanks, I didn't know about that manpage.
21:42<panagos>twb: there are manpages for everything! :P
21:42<twb>panagos: he ran an application with "sudo foo" instead of "sudo -H foo", and it changed the ownership of preference files to root.
21:43<jesus>no, I runned like this
21:43<jesus>su and then pwd ... vmware
21:43<jesus>and now when I type vmware
21:44<jesus>my home folder now belongs to root
21:44<jesus>root has stolen my permission
21:45<panagos>jesus: as jesus, run su. then you will be root. then run chowm jesus:jesus /home/jesus (or your username)
21:45<javo>try su an then chown jesus:jesus /home/jesus
21:45<jesus>should I ok I try
21:46<Villarroel>typo it is chown
21:46<jesus>I get this
21:46<jesus>Unknown id: chown
21:47<javo>and if you have problems with inner files and folders, you can add -R after the word chown (R is for recursive)
21:47<panagos>jesus: eeeem, chown is the command name, what did you actually type? :)
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21:48<jesus> su chown jesus: jesus/home/jesus
21:48<javo>make it in separated steps
21:48<javo>first su
21:49<jesus>now I am root
21:49<javo>once logged, chown -R jesus:jesus /home/jesus
21:49<panagos>jesus: in one step, you'd do su root -c'chown jesus:jesus /home/jesus'
21:50<panagos>-R will work recursively
21:50<javo>if it worked, you can leave root by typing exit
21:50<jesus>it did nothing only went back to root
21:51<javo>that changed the ownership of the folder
21:51<jesus>ok I check now
21:51<jesus>yes thank you javo
21:51<javo>wou are welcome
21:51<jesus>now I can open home folder
21:52<jesus>thank you all again
21:52<javo>in terminal?
21:52<jesus>no the actual home folder
21:52<javo>as user jesus, cd /home/jesus
21:53<javo>or also works cd ~jesus
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21:53<jesus>when i tried to open the home folder on the desktop it used to say user permision denied
21:53<jesus>but now I can open it
21:53<javo>so it worked?
21:54<jesus>thanks again, you have saved my day
21:54<javo>no problem, its is the first time i help instead of been helped ;)
21:55<jesus>that works for me , now I know what to do or say if some one needs the same help that I did
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22:20<kop>Can Linux redirect the ESP protocol in the same way it NATS TCP and UDP? I don't see that feature anywhere.
22:20<kop>(ESP being what's used for IPSEC.)
22:22<kop>Can Linux NAT datagrams that pass through between 2 interfaces configured as a bridge?
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22:31<Javalinux>good night
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22:44<mst>Hey, what's with xorg.conf? I've just switched back to debian after less than a six month stint with ubuntu and the're isn't a configuration there, just (what looks like) an incomplete skeleton?
22:44<nevyn>xorg shouldn't need a config file
22:45<mst>nevyn, then how do I tell it to do things like use "SHMConfig" for my synaptics driver, or configure more than one pointer -- or any of the stuff that file was for?
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22:48<gravity>mst: You can still add it and it'll still be obeyed.
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22:49<mst>gravity, thanks
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22:50<mst>gravity, but if i have an external mouse and a touchpad on the laptop, how to I tell it to use a special driver for the touchpad, or specify special options for just the touchpad? does it figure it out magically
22:53<gravity>mst: That's more difficult. You have to configure them to look at separate device nodes, not /dev/input/mice which is the default. By default, everything gets multiplexed through /dev/input/mice.
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22:53<gravity>mst: You'll have to figure out which device file nodes map to your touchpad and external mouse, then point the X server at them accordingly.
22:56<mst>gravity, cool, so I'll just avoid using /dev/psaux and specify everything explicitly ?
22:56<gravity>mst: You may want to use /dev/psaux. That's different from /dev/input/mice afaik
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23:00<mst>gravity, the help section of the 2.6.24 kernel claimed /dev/psaux was no exactly the same as /dev/input/mice - but was just provided for compatibility
23:00<gravity>Ok, I didn't know that
23:01<mst>gravity, new install, so I *just* finished building the kernel :-)
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23:35<twb>I have a bunch of sites out there on the internet. Can I expose my private debian repo to them via rsync *but* protect it with ssh, so that random other internet users can't access my repo?
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23:38<Nemoder>I should think at the very least you could restrict access to certain IPs, not sure how complicated it would be to setup a site to site tunnel through ssh though.
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23:41<JochenA>twb: unless you setup an rsync server, rsync will use ssh to connect and start an rsync instance on the target host. Just setup public key authentication and you've got what you want.
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23:42<twb>JochenA: cool, that's what I hoped
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23:42<twb>JochenA: I thought maybe it was restricted to rsyncd, not rsync-over-ssh
23:42<devnull>Doesnt the debian organization run OFTC?
23:42<devnull>Or something like that? :-\
23:42<twb>devnull: I don't think so.
23:42<twb>devnull: AIUI is a cname for, and OFTC is an organizational fork of Freenode.
23:43<devnull> ?
23:43<devnull>OFTC is a fork of freenode? I dont think so man
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23:44<gravity>It is
23:44<devnull>How so?
23:45<gravity>Just what twb said. It's an organizational fork. Some former freenode people went off to form oftc.
23:45<gravity>And no, Debian doesn't run it
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23:46<devnull>Just asked #spi, they fund part of deebian
23:46<devnull>and lol @ oftc being a fork of sir
23:46<gravity>They're the corporate umbrella, yes. oftc is under spi as well.
23:46<devnull>well thanks for the useless inaccurate information
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23:46<gravity>But spi doesn't really fund debian. They hold our resources in trust.
23:47<gravity>Um... I'm not sure why you say no sir.
23:47<gravity>But ok
23:49<[R]Tim>i feel like i'm reading the conversation part of the business section
23:49<gravity>heh, is one half of the business section also stubborn and ignorant?
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23:52<RIVE>I have a problem with Banshee, does not send info to lastfm, i'm using Lenny.
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23:58<[R]Tim>i'm going to fall asleep waiting for apt to finish downloading....
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